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On January 06 2014 03:50 Balla24 wrote: I've got a possible in at the last second from someone, he said if we still need people by the deadline he'll in. Hopefully he does it soon :D GJ Balla. Possibly saving mafia e-sports since 2014. | ||
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On January 06 2014 07:29 Balla24 wrote: - to start the game at a very high pace, to make sure that lurking is not only discouraged but also easy to spot and call out. On January 06 2014 07:35 TheChyz wrote: I agree with lurking to be discouraged by just lynching them for the most part. If they are scum then that's an easy kill, if they are town they provide nothing helpful and might cause some confusion in finding actual scum. Hi "nobody", I'm TheChyz. | ||
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I don't really like Day_Walkers entrance since basically he just gives us a list and then says that he leaves. From my personal experience I tend to give lists a lot when I am mafia and post very little. There is no reason to provide a list unless you have to (getting lynched, etc) imo. He is also the only one that seems to kinda still ride the end of the "vote chyz" bandwagon and then labels everybody else as town. Seems like a very safe move. If you think I'm scum why not put your vote where your mouth is? Don't like him very much at the moment and would like to hear more from him apart from the "agreeing with ..." slogan that you seem to use so very much. ##Vote: Day_Walker | ||
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Since it seems its only us two, what are your opinions on Day_Walker so far? | ||
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2) JonnyLaw | ||
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The moment he gets challenged he switches immediately from me to Dragoon, which he didn't even mention at all! There was nothing to imply this. AND, later on in his posts the only people he mentions are myself, Dragoon, and DayWalker. So he also just read Dragoon's post and just mashed it in together in his second paragraph which just seems like more facts and analysis taken from other people. Out of all of the points, the strongest still stands as when he gets challenged about me, he flops and goes on a new target all together. ##Unvote ##Vote: dnyarri | ||
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On January 07 2014 01:16 suki wrote: Hi Chyz, Can you share your thoughts on Dragoon/BigDad for me as well? I don't really like what Dragoon is doing atm. He first votes for me for the reason of bringing confusion to the town by being trolly and then the rest of his posts are useless and just defending people without any reason to which is strange to me. Then his last post is basically a troll post which is similar to what I did to get people to bandwagon on top of me, so I would like to hear if his read of me has changed because its been quite some time since his vote. As for BigDad I like almost everything he is saying so far. No over reaction to Jonny pressuring him and I don't really have anything that reads scummy from him. In addition, derrida just came in and posted really nothing of value except for facts. He also didn't really poke his head out on anybody except the lurkers and the one posting the most. It just doesn't sit and what strikes me the most off putting is that he would put me in the clear and have absolutely NO suspicion on me. I am in a position currently where most people, even if they think I'm town-ish, would agree that I do look a bit scummy. So to get an easy pass from him kinda seems to me like he knows who the real town is. Also him jumping on Balla seems to me like wanting to quiet him down maybe? Ionno but mostly for the reason of having me as not suspicious makes me very suspicious of him. | ||
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And Derrida, could you say why you think I am not scummy more in-depth. | ||
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On January 07 2014 03:49 theDragoon wrote: @TheChyz I also find it a bit odd that derrida doesn't think you are suspicious. If he was mafia, then jumping on TheChyz bandwagon would be the easiest thing to do... | ||
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On January 07 2014 08:34 BigDad wrote: erm, where is TheChyz. He voted a lurker then went afk. What the? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&user=TheChyz On January 07 2014 03:39 TheChyz wrote: Ok so I only have an hour cause of break at school and then going to be gone for about 10 or so hours so I will try to do as much as I can in this hour. On January 07 2014 04:19 TheChyz wrote: Ok unfortunately I will be afk for 9-10 hours. But for the last time Derrida, can you answer me why I do not seem scummy to you more in-depth? Dunno if your just lazy or trying to stir up things, either way, bad sign for you. Since most of the voting seems to be regarding on Dragoon I will wait until he returns to add more to the argument (or maybe not, read ahead and you will see). I still don't want people to forget about dnyarri. To me it seems like typical scum play, ie do nothing first day, post a little and try to cause no commotion, go back into lurking until it is day 2. I will have a post again soon as I want to re-read filters and make sure I am not mistaking my argument due to just reading too quickly. | ||
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##Unvote Unvoting because I think there could be better lynch targets but just going to wait on the dragoon response/something else drastic to happen. Also what are people's opinions on dnyarri? | ||
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From the beginning of the game Dragoon and DW have been defending themselves and it has been very suspicious. Personally I just thing DW knows too much and my vote would be on him because regardless if for some reason Dragoon ends up being town, DW will use the "i told you card". He seems very adamant on dnyarri, but it seems to me like he is just hoping that since I voted for him I would be able to help lead the bandwagon on the lurker or somebody else will. To me I find that DW has also barely helped town scum hunt in the fact that he just tries to attack everybody in the game but only a little bit, never with a vote, and has been defensive about Dragoon from the start. Too much defending Dragoon and not enough scum hunting. ##Vote: Day_Walker | ||
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First off, the switching of votes to me seems very scummy. In the last 30 minutes there should almost never be a drastic vote switch because a) not everybody is here and, b) confuses town on who to vote for. Also to all those people being like "omg it was so obvious he was town with his last post" I have a few things to say to you. If you ignore his actual flip, there is actually little from his last few posts that seem obvious town to me and I could (and have) see it being done from a scum perspective as well. Now there is still a person that some people were slightly suspicious of but in the night, (unless I have missed something) NOTHING was targetted at him. That person would be DW. He seems to get out free just because of what exactly? That Dragoon is town?. I even said in my last few posts before the day ended that the two most likely scenarios to me seem like no matter what Dragoon's alliance that DW is probably scum. After the day ended, he then makes a nice post showing how he "[didn't] have a strong read on Dragoon" and it looks to me more like trying to clear his own name. He also tries to say how he "certainly wasn't going to try and defend Dragoon without good evidence" when in fact he did. It all seems like he is just trying to backtrack to his earlier comments and try to cover them up with many excuses which I can point out many flaws in them. Currently he has done nothing to clear his name and I don't like how he is getting a free pass while being able to make so many lies. Currently I would put him as one person on the scum team. Jonny, oh jonny. The whole game since the moment you entered I have been getting this read that from your posts you seem to be super arrogant as if nothing can stop you. Balla has mentioned thats how you play, but I still think your acting as if you are the best in the game, calling player bad and saying that something along the lines of "Oh, if only I came earlier, I could have saved Dragoon". That just seems like your full of shit and that you are trying to portray this motion where you could have saved Dragoon. And the only case you make is the dnyarri voted on him first. WHAT? this is stupidly outrageous. Yes dnyarri so far has been looking fairly scummy but his vote on Dragoon was done LONG before most of town started to talk extensively about him. It just seems like a typical scum idea of "oh, lets pin it on the guy that voted on him first and hope to get another townie lynched". There are much better reasons to try to lynch dnyarri but all you came up with is his vote on Dragoon as the first one. There's a little more but I don't wanna make this post super long. At the moment Jonny is my scum read number 2. | ||
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##Vote: Dnyarri | ||
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Question to dnyarri then: If you could lynch 2 people right now and be able to save 1 in the night, who would they be? | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:43 onlywonderboy wrote: I admit I was a bit overzealous with the Dragoon/DW pair. There was a light connection so I don't feel bad about pushing it to start. I've previously stated why I started to shy away from Dragoon and the DW pair (revolving around how DW played after it seemed certain Dragoon was gonna get lynched). It was not Dragoon's impassioned plea that changed my mind about him. I still think there's a chance DW is scum so I at least tried to move the focus towards him. So DW is still one of my top scum picks. In regards to what happened at deadline, I think a lot of players were just putting their faith in Jonny's vote. Like I said, I'm not 100% sure of dnyarri being scum, but I was willing to take the risk knowing that if he could flip town. Personally I was voting more to save Dragoon than to kill dnyarri (who of course, could be scum). Several other players mentioned how they were convinced of Dragoon's innocence due to his final post so that could have made it easier for them to switch last minute. In terms of other possible scum players, I'm of course suspicious of dnyarri like a lot of players now. Really hope he shows up so we get some sort of insight on his play. Don't have any other solid scum reads right now so I guess my main focus is on dnyarri and Day_Walker. Still not sure about Derrida, but I'm still leaning towards bad town rather than scum. Might need to look into him more. These two last paragraphs really caught my attention. Now what I think is the case is that since scum KNEW that Dragoon was town, I'm assuming that atleast one of them would switch their vote in order to buy credibility (assuming that dnyarri is not scum). Now from those 6, only 3 are left alive. OWB, Bigdad, and DW. Town needs to start gaining some focus on lynch targets since our Day 2 has sucked compared to day 1, so I suggest we mainly focus on these 3. Out of all of them I find OWB the most suspicious and a big part of it comes from the bolded paragraphs. He was "personally voting more to save Dragoon than to kill dnyarri" which reads to me as if he knows that dragoon is 100% town and is willing to kill another to prove it. He mentions the useless line after that, "Several other players mentioned how they were convinced of Dragoon's innocence due to his final post so that could have made it easier for them to switch last minute" which to me seems like he is looking for an excuse for why he was along with one of those people. note its how other people were convinced, but not himself? strange way to just follow a crowd, no? AND WAIT, what happens after the flip, he becomes "SUSPICIOUS" of dnyarri when it seems what most people are doing. What happened to your "I'm killing dnyarri more to save Dragoon". If you were so suspicious why would you need that excuse? Makes you look more town credible for trying to save a towny, right? And that last minute vote switch from the towny, very smooth. Also that slight defense on Derrida at the end, the icing on top imo. | ||
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##Vote: Asuna No reasoning, lurking until deadline, probably hoping to just live till next day. | ||
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I thought the reasoning behind OWB was given well enough. But anyways my thought process was that my vote on dnyarri was basically mostly lurking and saying unoriginal comments whereas owb was fairly quiet to what he sayed he would be this game and that the information that I garnered from him seemed more like he was trying to attack town and cover up for scum. Anyways I still want to reread some peoples filters to make sure I didn't confuse things between people and I'll have my explanation before night ends, but can you post yours aswell Balla : "Day 3 is going to be fun if what i'm thinking is happening. Will post about it later." | ||
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What is so scummy about it, your doing the exact same thing from everybody else and forcing them to explain things, what makes you such a special case that whenever you say something we should just let you pass cause your active? Jonny (i think) said that you are active both scum and town so I find no reason why you felt that posting that you will post your thoughts later and then now not wanting to is scummy from me. Seems like your being very defensive. And you don't have to post now, just before night ends (even if its 1 sec before) | ||
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Now one of the most important things I went for searching next is the votes on the OWB lynch. The difference is that both dnyarri and DW both voted for OWB while bigdad stayed on dnyarri. What also is interesting is that in the votes DW first had his vote on dnyarri, but it seems that once OWB gained traction he switched over. Very suspicious. So I dove in deeper. Starting off with dnyarri, he only has a filter of 1 page, which means that it better be damn good quality and if not then he is not helping town. His vote on me and then sudden switch when questioned about it is scummy thing #1 I could find. Next is that when I ask him 2 people he would lynch and 1 he would save, he gives me just 1 lynch (DW) and saves chinstrap. Saving chinstrap is an answer that involves no real thought being put into it. His only reason to lynch owb is that he is lurking and voted for dnyarri. That reason alone makes him mores scummy that DW? That's just wrong. Then he just suddenly goes that he thinks bigdad is also his top suspect. There's so much more things that are so scummy to me that I don't want to write an essay on it (and his filters short enough so just read it all yourself). All the inconsistency and no actual self thought going into things and just going for the bandwagon votes (dragoon, then owb) really makes think he is very likely to be scum. As for bigdad he is the towniest of all 3. There are a few things that might seem scummy but overall I feel he has been contributing ok and that he is creating some useful conversation. Most importantly is that he sticks with dnyarri as his scum choice and doesn't join the owb bandwagon and adds more useful thought into his reasoning to lynch dnyarri. And lastly, DW. To me he has always been in top 3 lynch positions each day but I just had reasons that I thought were better to lynch other people. Most closely I'm just trying to find his thought process from going to dnyarri vote on day 1, and then switching it to an owb vote later on. His reason for voting on dnyarri just started with lynching 1 of 3 lurkers that seemed the most scummy to him (a safe vote, since nobody likes lurkers and could be faked later as just putting pressure). Mostly he sticks to his 3 scum theory of asuna, dnyarri, derrida on night 1. After derrida's death, dnyarri is his number one and asuna is his number two (which seems acceptable logically), but then adds that he would NOT be happy with an asuna lynch (what?) because of his roleblock call. If your not happy with his lynch then why is he your number 2 scum makes no sense to me. THEN SUDDENLY he is convinced that he is tunnel visioning on dnyarri and that he agrees with our points about owb and switches his votes, the moment when people actually start creating some votes on owb. After that nothing of usefullness comes from DW and he has been fairly silent all night long. Therefore I am at the conclusion that I think either dnyarri or DW are scum (although probably not together). Having had really bad reads on the last 2 lynches I don't feel confident enough to put one over the other at this moment in terms of who I would lynch first but these are two people I would go after on Day 3 (if I still am alive then). The only small worry for me is that Balla thinks he is confirmed town. He is PROBABLE, but not confirmed. I think that if there are 2 night kills then Balla or Asuna have to be also looked at much, much, more closely. Also on a side note I'm just weary of Balla (if he is still alive in day 3) since if I was scum I would probably have killed him night 1 and if not then definitely night 2 since he is creating lots of conversation and making people respond to their previous posts (except he doesn't like it when people ask him instead, which is odd). Definitely not a higher priority for me than dnyarri and DW but just something to keep an eye on. | ||
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##Vote: Asuna Role claim now. I am Vanilla Townie. | ||
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Anyways I am loving asuna's response (apart from coming out) and dnyarri's aswell. The only logical possiblity atm is that there is no sk unless it is asuna (highly unlikely i think). With asuna's claim, that makes 3 town power roles guaranteed leaving the option just 2 goons and 1 roleblocker for scum which makes the most sense. The only other possible option is if there are 2 more town power roles meaning 1goon, 1 rb, and 1 gf (but this is highly unlikely imo). Currently I think asuna, dnyarri, chinstrap, myself are town. With a 6v2 right now that makes it only having to pick out a pair out of the remaining 4. Those being DW, suki, bigdad, and sidesprang. From these 4 I would also include suki into the list of town people because of the active scum hunting that she always seems to be doing and I find the analysis to be thought through (even if I might not agree with all of it). So atm my scum picks would be (in order) DW, sidesprang, then bigdad. The most obvious scum team to me seems like DW, sidesprang now just beccause sidesprang just put me and bigdad on the scum team when a paragraph before that he says "Reasoning for me not mentioning BigDad is just because he has been under my radar. But I'm sure if you look you will find more ppl I did not mention? In general I dont talk about people I dont have reads on". So even tho he has no read on him he is on the scum team? That's really off. Along with that sidesprang has "not been comfortable lynching" DW. And also DW was quick to have dnyarri + asuna + derrida scum team the moment when dnyarri started attacking sidesprang. It's fairly common for a scum to put another scum in one of the scum team pairs since it might give credibility later on and DW doesn't really accuse derrida of being scummy, more that his posts are awkward but doesn't really push derrida hard at all. I'm most comfortable with a DW or sidesprang lynch today (mostly DW still). | ||
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I still stand by my statement of either DW or sidesprang, and DW is lurking it up (personal reasons or w/e) and when I am scum the easiest thing for me to do was to lurk and hope that town would kill itself off. DW's votes have been consistent on jumping on the bandwagon and that coupled with all the scummy posts he has made make me think that he is the best target for town to lynch. ##Unvote ##Vote: Day_Walker | ||
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Anyway I actually find bigdad's play very strange as well dnyarri. He is basically saying that I am scum and that if I am not then he will throw dnyarri up for the next lynch since he assumes that dnyarri has to be 100% scum. BTW if we lynch a town today then next day will be MYLO. With that bigdad is setting up himself where when I flip and turn town he will most likely go for dnyarri and thus end the game (since 2v2 will happen in which scum wins). I really wish that people would look at other players instead of tunnel visioning on me since seems now that I can't do anything that would actually help town to get a scum other than get more people talking (which surprise, surprise, almost no one is). Kinda sad gonna have to go out because people don't like me generating discussion aggressively. As I said before, I have no problem getting lynched but only after we get another scum because then it will put town in a less desperate position. I would rather not get lynched at all but from the start of the game I already decided that I would play aggressive in hopes of catching a few scum and then if I have to then getting myself lynched off since I would also be a bit suspicious (unless someone gets a cop check on me). | ||
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