My mocsta Case. I have already said my piece on his post restriction and alot on his early day one play so I am going to continue from there on out.
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On November 21 2013 02:08 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn
You just played with me as scum.
Please tell Onegu he is stupid, otherwise I vote you !!! muahahahah
Rayn
You just played with me as scum.
Please tell Onegu he is stupid, otherwise I vote you !!! muahahahah
QUOTE]On November 21 2013 02:44 Mocsta wrote:
Interesting tidbit to shit-stir
in 3 newbies vonthin was town....
suddenly replaces out with no posts
On November 21 2013 03:52 Mocsta wrote:
Hes scum claiming.
Its impossible for anyone that played with me in Mafia LXIII to think i am scum.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Mocsta
for any doubters
Hes scum claiming.
Its impossible for anyone that played with me in Mafia LXIII to think i am scum.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Mocsta
for any doubters
These are just a few of mocstas scum hunting, yes this is null but there are many more I just keep getting the feeling that he is feigning alot of his reads and making posts like this to up his post count and look active.
QUOTE]On November 21 2013 01:52 Mocsta wrote:
My mason (thrawn)
Do you get the impression onegu is just trying to shit the thread?
or am i taking this too personal?[/QUOTE]
We also keep getting post like this all through the game, mocsta really like trying to make friends with thrawn, seems really fake way to buddy buddy someone who is town and who I consider to be one of the the stronger players in the game.
On November 21 2013 00:35 Mocsta wrote:
Jampi, I like that post.
Also just wanted to say this is one of the best Day1 town atmospheres I have seen in regarding to getting straight into analysis/sharing reads.
Keep this up and a scum day1 lynch won't be too beyond us !
/thread captain (yes thats a dig @ Onegu)
Jampi, I like that post.
Also just wanted to say this is one of the best Day1 town atmospheres I have seen in regarding to getting straight into analysis/sharing reads.
Keep this up and a scum day1 lynch won't be too beyond us !
/thread captain (yes thats a dig @ Onegu)
I also want to point out this post and a few more that follow it or come right before this post, this is important because this is one of the main reasons why he was fine to policy lynch rayn. Even in this post we have a good town atmosphere but he takes a dig at me WTF. If the atmosphere is so go why does he need to take a dig at me it just doesn't make sense, Im not the type of person to take the bait but if I was he could then say he was ok to policy lynch me because I attacked him. Here are a few posts right around this post also only from mocsta, not to mention corazon.
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On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea.
Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea.
On November 21 2013 01:22 Mocsta wrote:
Matey,
Keep talking to me like a douche and I can give it back to you equally.
Please, I dropped my vote off you yonks ago; I am trying to work together here.
JJD = JarJarDrinks
His post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=13#249
Interprets your posts as calling sciberbia "bad town" and then progressing to "scum".
Again, I think JJD interpretation is a fair call, so I would like to know the triggers between the accusations.
Matey,
Keep talking to me like a douche and I can give it back to you equally.
Please, I dropped my vote off you yonks ago; I am trying to work together here.
JJD = JarJarDrinks
His post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=13#249
Interprets your posts as calling sciberbia "bad town" and then progressing to "scum".
Again, I think JJD interpretation is a fair call, so I would like to know the triggers between the accusations.
On November 21 2013 02:08 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn
You just played with me as scum.
Please tell Onegu he is stupid, otherwise I vote you !!! muahahahah
Rayn
You just played with me as scum.
Please tell Onegu he is stupid, otherwise I vote you !!! muahahahah
But this all is a great town atmosphere and this is just from mocsta himself. And look how he keeps taking shots at me. Almost same with cora later but I will get to him in a bit in my next case.
Now Im going to get to the meat and potatoes of why mocsta is scum.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=8#159
Ok I want you to open up the spoiled part, and look at his reads. I know bear with me and do it. He has Sciberia and Cora as scum, because of their interactions with each other, and because of scum slips keep this scum slips in mind it comes up much later. In this post he also has bereft as scum for trying to break the town circle. Also he multiple times gives Aqua a town read and Rean a town read.
On November 20 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:
Post 13
Duly Noted - hence 12b prior
(1) I am not trying to say anything. I said exactly what I wanted to say.
(2) This is a very scummy response.
You do not actually retort anything I said; instead you try to brush it off by insinuating it is stupid/incorrect.
Guess what
I am not going to take that leap of faith, and I won't let the thread take that leap either.
Everyone has an ideal way they think they would ply their trade; yet, when push comes to shove so many things do not come to bear.
Translation:I don't really care what you think you would do pre-game BEFORE receiving a role PM.
What I care about is how you have played this game since AFTER receiving a role PM
Post 13
Duly Noted - hence 12b prior
(1) I am not trying to say anything. I said exactly what I wanted to say.
(2) This is a very scummy response.
You do not actually retort anything I said; instead you try to brush it off by insinuating it is stupid/incorrect.
Guess what
I am not going to take that leap of faith, and I won't let the thread take that leap either.
Everyone has an ideal way they think they would ply their trade; yet, when push comes to shove so many things do not come to bear.
Translation:I don't really care what you think you would do pre-game BEFORE receiving a role PM.
What I care about is how you have played this game since AFTER receiving a role PM
Now he is asked if he thinks Cora and Scib are bussing each other. Look at his very evasive answer. Im not saying anything, I said exactly what I meant to say. He never answers the question just gives a glib answer for it.
QUOTE]On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote:
Post 14
@Thrawn:
What do you think of Rean response.
I don't have a problem that he said I might be a touch tunneled. I would prefer town tell me that.
I am slightly concerned that it seems to be a big "+1" post and I dont really know what his stance is.
Hence, what is the point of the comment?
In short I see 3 outcomes of his post
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On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote:
Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler +
consider getting one of these, you could use it :3
More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora.
In particular: + Show Spoiler +
seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red.
I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once.
And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still.
Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10
On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12
consider getting one of these, you could use it :3
More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora.
In particular: + Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others.
This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it.
This is what troubles me about sciberia right now.
He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others.
This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it.
This is what troubles me about sciberia right now.
I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once.
And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still.
(A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia
(B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A)
(C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people.
Look, I *could* see a town make this post, but I don't like how it talks about the "core" issues yet simultaneously avoids talking about the "core" issues??
Catch my drift?
P.S. Fuck da POLICE[/QUOTE]
QUOTE]On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote:
Post 14
@Thrawn:
What do you think of Rean response.
I don't have a problem that he said I might be a touch tunneled. I would prefer town tell me that.
I am slightly concerned that it seems to be a big "+1" post and I dont really know what his stance is.
Hence, what is the point of the comment?
In short I see 3 outcomes of his post
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On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote:
Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler +
consider getting one of these, you could use it :3
More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora.
In particular: + Show Spoiler +
seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red.
I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once.
And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still.
Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10
On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12
consider getting one of these, you could use it :3
More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora.
In particular: + Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others.
This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it.
This is what troubles me about sciberia right now.
He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others.
This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it.
This is what troubles me about sciberia right now.
I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once.
And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still.
(A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia
(B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A)
(C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people.
Look, I *could* see a town make this post, but I don't like how it talks about the "core" issues yet simultaneously avoids talking about the "core" issues??
Catch my drift?
P.S. Fuck da POLICE[/QUOTE]
Now somehow he is tunneled on Rean after giving him a town read 3 posts ago.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=10#189
Now he magically does a reread and his reads flip all which way. Cora becomes town for his interactions with Aqua/rean
Sciberia becomes null, for consistency
And Aqua becomes scum.
Now yes people are allowed to change their reads that is fine, but as you will see mocsta does it often and with little reason or no reason.
On November 20 2013 17:21 Aquanim wrote:
I always thought Corazon's case on sciberbia was bad. That's not inconsistent with my opinion that Corazon could be town having made that case. There were two possibilities:
- Corazon was town and honestly mistaken
- Corazon was making a case to generate discussion and wasn't particularly concerned with its quality.
Sure, Rean asked me for a scum read. That's the easiest and least insightful question you can ask, scum can do that without any effort at all. I don't see any indications that Rean is putting actual effort into his scum hunting.
Everything you said about my play was more or less accurate, why should I try and deny that? Corazon and Sciberia's little dust-up was pretty much the only thing that had happened so far in the game, so I asked some other random questions. Mocsta answered questions enthusiastically and more-or-less logically, which gives me a town read on him; Rean answered questions with mostly useless one-liners, which gives me a scum read on him. I consider my time well spent.
I'm about as confident that Rean is scum as Corazon, perhaps a little less, which is compensated by the advantages of opening up a second wagon.
I'm not suspicious of your motives because you're obvtown. I'm not annoyed at you because you're not ridiculously misrepresenting my play (which would be bad play), you're just wrong about my alignment.
I always thought Corazon's case on sciberbia was bad. That's not inconsistent with my opinion that Corazon could be town having made that case. There were two possibilities:
- Corazon was town and honestly mistaken
- Corazon was making a case to generate discussion and wasn't particularly concerned with its quality.
Sure, Rean asked me for a scum read. That's the easiest and least insightful question you can ask, scum can do that without any effort at all. I don't see any indications that Rean is putting actual effort into his scum hunting.
Everything you said about my play was more or less accurate, why should I try and deny that? Corazon and Sciberia's little dust-up was pretty much the only thing that had happened so far in the game, so I asked some other random questions. Mocsta answered questions enthusiastically and more-or-less logically, which gives me a town read on him; Rean answered questions with mostly useless one-liners, which gives me a scum read on him. I consider my time well spent.
I'm about as confident that Rean is scum as Corazon, perhaps a little less, which is compensated by the advantages of opening up a second wagon.
I'm not suspicious of your motives because you're obvtown. I'm not annoyed at you because you're not ridiculously misrepresenting my play (which would be bad play), you're just wrong about my alignment.
Here he says Cora's case on Sciberia was bad, but he is town for it. Later he will say the exact opposite for voting Cora. And Rean is scummy for answering his questions but not giving good answers that weren't more than one or two lines. Thrawn is Obv Town
On November 20 2013 17:21 Mocsta wrote:
Quote of the day.
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##Vote: Aquanim
Choo-Choo !!
Quote of the day.
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Its interesting the case on Rean only came out after I gave some meta speil on Aquanim being proactive
I gotta get some credit mason man
I gotta get some credit mason man
##Vote: Aquanim
Choo-Choo !!
Votes Aqua for Thrawns reason. Sure he gave his own reasons on why Aqua is scum go read them I quoted them, tell me if you think they are legit reasons or not.
On November 20 2013 17:25 Aquanim wrote:
Okay, let me rephrase that. I don't see any town-motivated purpose to Corazon's posting so far. If he thinks Sciberbia is scum, why isn't he voting for him? If he isn't confident Sciberbia is scum, why is he pushing the Sciberbia-scum argument so vehemently?
I think Corazon's case is bad but obviously he doesn't. Corazon's vote doesn't have to be consistent with my opinion of his case, it has to be consistent with his opinion - and it's not.
Okay, let me rephrase that. I don't see any town-motivated purpose to Corazon's posting so far. If he thinks Sciberbia is scum, why isn't he voting for him? If he isn't confident Sciberbia is scum, why is he pushing the Sciberbia-scum argument so vehemently?
I think Corazon's case is bad but obviously he doesn't. Corazon's vote doesn't have to be consistent with my opinion of his case, it has to be consistent with his opinion - and it's not.
A few posts later from where he calls cora town for his bad case now he cant see a pro town reason for it.
On November 20 2013 17:30 Mocsta wrote:
You have got to be joking me?
As we are speaking generically: the only time scum have an easy time giving scum reads is if they are referring to their own team. Otherwise, they are *always* lying - due to calling town players that they *know* are town... scum.
Mafia is a game of psychology and motive. The whole point is to catch mafia in a lie that a townie would not execute. Scum giving bullshit scum reads is meant to be one of those avenues.
I dont have a clue how you get this so wrong?
Why feel the need to build a case and *vote* for Rean instead of produce a series of questioning aimed at discerning his alignment?
If anything a vote/case on him could make him harder to read as it puts him on the alert??
You have got to be joking me?
As we are speaking generically: the only time scum have an easy time giving scum reads is if they are referring to their own team. Otherwise, they are *always* lying - due to calling town players that they *know* are town... scum.
Mafia is a game of psychology and motive. The whole point is to catch mafia in a lie that a townie would not execute. Scum giving bullshit scum reads is meant to be one of those avenues.
I dont have a clue how you get this so wrong?
Why feel the need to build a case and *vote* for Rean instead of produce a series of questioning aimed at discerning his alignment?
If anything a vote/case on him could make him harder to read as it puts him on the alert??
Soft defends Rean here.
On November 21 2013 00:35 Mocsta wrote:
Jampi, I like that post.
Also just wanted to say this is one of the best Day1 town atmospheres I have seen in regarding to getting straight into analysis/sharing reads.
Keep this up and a scum day1 lynch won't be too beyond us !
/thread captain (yes thats a dig @ Onegu)
Jampi, I like that post.
Also just wanted to say this is one of the best Day1 town atmospheres I have seen in regarding to getting straight into analysis/sharing reads.
Keep this up and a scum day1 lynch won't be too beyond us !
/thread captain (yes thats a dig @ Onegu)
Likes a post from Jamp.
On November 21 2013 10:57 Mocsta wrote:
##Unvote
After I get back from a meeting I will re-read the thread with an unbiased mind.
One thing not in your favour is that I personally do not like the combo of Rean/Cora, maybe 1 of them but not both (and you keep focusing attention on this)
I would expect if both are scum, and you/i/thrawn were town; they would have tried to combo up more. Instead it felt like two conversations in parallel
(you + rean) (thrawn + myself + cora)
Another thing not in your favour is acknowledgement of Onegu. (who I do think is scum)
On one hand it should be clear that he is a viable push for your safety today; but you are not taking that opportunity (even though you admit he is "scummi-ish"
Though you could contest that on the other hand you should be pushing your best scum read; considering the brevity of your situation (6/12 votes) this is silly - Onegu is apparently in top 3 and could secure your safety.
##Unvote
After I get back from a meeting I will re-read the thread with an unbiased mind.
One thing not in your favour is that I personally do not like the combo of Rean/Cora, maybe 1 of them but not both (and you keep focusing attention on this)
I would expect if both are scum, and you/i/thrawn were town; they would have tried to combo up more. Instead it felt like two conversations in parallel
(you + rean) (thrawn + myself + cora)
Another thing not in your favour is acknowledgement of Onegu. (who I do think is scum)
On one hand it should be clear that he is a viable push for your safety today; but you are not taking that opportunity (even though you admit he is "scummi-ish"
Though you could contest that on the other hand you should be pushing your best scum read; considering the brevity of your situation (6/12 votes) this is silly - Onegu is apparently in top 3 and could secure your safety.
Here he unvotes Aqua because he likes how he didnt push me. But somehow he ignores the possibility that we could be scum together. Why because he knows we arent. This unvote reason it terrible.
On November 21 2013 14:49 Mocsta wrote:
Guys,
Im about 60% through my re-read (so up to about p20) - taking a breather and only skimmed the content since Bereft voted ?rean?
Firstly, we need to start consolidating a vote as 7 is required to secure a lynch.
Next, this is my group of strong town reads from p5 -> p20
{Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Rayn}
Yes, I do not think Aquanim is scum anymore. I think he has a different mentality and Thrawn and myself misinterpreted his intentions. Aquanim has actually been very open and transparent in a confused/wishy-washy manner; as opposed to wishy-washy in an intentionally misleading manner.
This is my group of tentative town reads from p5->p20 (i.e. people i dont have interest to lynch this cycle)
{Corazon, Bereft, Onegu, LoneMeow}
Yes, Onegu is here. In hindsight it would be suicide as scum to come out and say he had a scum read on me and Thrawn. Unless his mission was to shit the thread, which I think is grasping at straws. I egged Onegu so will accept responsiblity for getting him to tunnel me.
{Rean, Sciberbia, jampidampi}
(Currently, i actually think these 3 *are* the scum team too)
Rean already has traction, so lets hit the 7 with him.
##Vote: Rean
Guys,
Im about 60% through my re-read (so up to about p20) - taking a breather and only skimmed the content since Bereft voted ?rean?
Firstly, we need to start consolidating a vote as 7 is required to secure a lynch.
Next, this is my group of strong town reads from p5 -> p20
{Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Rayn}
Yes, I do not think Aquanim is scum anymore. I think he has a different mentality and Thrawn and myself misinterpreted his intentions. Aquanim has actually been very open and transparent in a confused/wishy-washy manner; as opposed to wishy-washy in an intentionally misleading manner.
This is my group of tentative town reads from p5->p20 (i.e. people i dont have interest to lynch this cycle)
{Corazon, Bereft, Onegu, LoneMeow}
Yes, Onegu is here. In hindsight it would be suicide as scum to come out and say he had a scum read on me and Thrawn. Unless his mission was to shit the thread, which I think is grasping at straws. I egged Onegu so will accept responsiblity for getting him to tunnel me.
Thus, this is my pile of shit left over: for todays lynch
{Rean, Sciberbia, jampidampi}
(Currently, i actually think these 3 *are* the scum team too)
Rean already has traction, so lets hit the 7 with him.
##Vote: Rean
But here is also where it gets interesting, He gives town reads for Rayn, Bereft, , Aqua, me, and cora.
His scum reads are Sciberia, Rean, and Jamp. Before this he has had rean as a town read, Sciberia as null, and Jamp as he liked his posts. The only reason he gives for these read changes are mine and he doesnt see me doing what I did as scum.
And Aqua who he had as scum for a long time and had just unvoted. His reason? Open and Transparent
On November 21 2013 14:56 Mocsta wrote:
Who said I was making associations?
Those are my 3 scummiest reads independantly.
Aside from that, I think they also have odd interactions with each other.
jampidampi is in that pile 50% through Process of Elimination, 50% filter
Scibs is through filter
Rean is through filter
I thought you would be happy that you are in my town pile.
Who said I was making associations?
Those are my 3 scummiest reads independantly.
Aside from that, I think they also have odd interactions with each other.
jampidampi is in that pile 50% through Process of Elimination, 50% filter
Scibs is through filter
Rean is through filter
I thought you would be happy that you are in my town pile.
Still no reasons
On November 21 2013 15:03 Mocsta wrote:
- Picking on Corazon early game, whilst ignoring you and I for similar toned posts
He phrases it as a conversation starter, but its pretty clear it is shit-stirring.
- Scibs also states he hates early game trolling, yet is contributing to a negative atmosphere.
THink about this: he stated Corazon was scum off what he defined later as 99% null, 1% scummy. Its clearly an over reaction and all it does is force people to point fingers at each other ==> atmosphere scum love.
- His case on Corazon is terrible.
#2 is acceptable because a majority misread corazon intentions
#1 is terrible because scibs is a hypocrite for singling out corazon but further, he is calling corazon scummy for being bad, there is nothing about scum motive in this point
#3 - is just a weak point
Overall this case is calling corazon a bad townie, and relies on the reader to assume the points are scummy.
This is a sign of a poor/half-assed case.. yet. scibs said i stole his thunder when i said corazon was scummy.
His actions are not congruent with filter.
- Scibs is suddenly suspicous of Rean, but asks such a baseless question that is not alignment-indicative. Again, this is not congruent with being a genuine scum read
- Scibs has a really odd timed delurked to chat with jampidampi. In this convo he avoids discussing the interplay between rean/aqua - which makes ZERO sense if rean was his 2nd scum read. This is a *very* bad point
In short: scibs is promoting a negative, finger-pointing atmosphere even though he resents trolling. This is scummy.
Scibs is an analytical player but his case on corazon had no conviction and relied ont he reader to fill in the gaps. This is scummy.
Scibs stance on players is not congruent with what he is asking the thread about (i.e. rean, even though he is his 2nd scum read). This is really scummy.
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- Picking on Corazon early game, whilst ignoring you and I for similar toned posts
He phrases it as a conversation starter, but its pretty clear it is shit-stirring.
- Scibs also states he hates early game trolling, yet is contributing to a negative atmosphere.
THink about this: he stated Corazon was scum off what he defined later as 99% null, 1% scummy. Its clearly an over reaction and all it does is force people to point fingers at each other ==> atmosphere scum love.
- His case on Corazon is terrible.
#2 is acceptable because a majority misread corazon intentions
#1 is terrible because scibs is a hypocrite for singling out corazon but further, he is calling corazon scummy for being bad, there is nothing about scum motive in this point
#3 - is just a weak point
Overall this case is calling corazon a bad townie, and relies on the reader to assume the points are scummy.
This is a sign of a poor/half-assed case.. yet. scibs said i stole his thunder when i said corazon was scummy.
His actions are not congruent with filter.
- Scibs is suddenly suspicous of Rean, but asks such a baseless question that is not alignment-indicative. Again, this is not congruent with being a genuine scum read
- Scibs has a really odd timed delurked to chat with jampidampi. In this convo he avoids discussing the interplay between rean/aqua - which makes ZERO sense if rean was his 2nd scum read. This is a *very* bad point
In short: scibs is promoting a negative, finger-pointing atmosphere even though he resents trolling. This is scummy.
Scibs is an analytical player but his case on corazon had no conviction and relied ont he reader to fill in the gaps. This is scummy.
Scibs stance on players is not congruent with what he is asking the thread about (i.e. rean, even though he is his 2nd scum read). This is really scummy.
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This is the only reason he gives for his scum reads and atually read it. It is mostly meta, and promoting a negative thread attitude, but read his filter he isnt doing that at all, and it is subjective if he is or isnt any way not a reason to call someone scum.
On November 21 2013 17:25 Mocsta wrote:
Read the whole game. Updated reads list:
The Good: {Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Bereft}
The Bad: {Onegu, LoneMeow, Rayn, Sciberbia}
The Ugly: {Rean, jampidampi, Corazon}
Key swaps:
Sciberbia: Has nothing to do with comments before. Has to do with how he was interpreting Aquanim. If Rean flips scum, Sciberbia comes out looking pretty good for trying to get focus off Aquanim. Will have to do a specific filter-dive to firm this read up. Content in the middle.
Rayn: I have loved everything he did (UNTIL) he dropped his vote on Rean out of nowhere. This just makes no sense given the back/n/forth.
Corazon: I have two major issues with him
(1) Hes only accusing people that have attacked him.
(2) He is refusing to answer JJD question about the first post which I EMAND* an answer for
To which I will expound:
Corazon bluntly states that is it ridiculous to consider Sciberbia scum from the page 1 (which is 5).
The truth lies in the filter however:
This quote led to a lot of confusion.
Corazon later confirms the intent of rocking the boat was to call Sciberbia scummy.
What we have is Corazon caught in a lie.
First he calls Sciberbia scummy for 1 post.
More recently he states he can't have thought Scibs was scummy for that 1 post.
JJD has to ask *repeatedly* for such a simple answer and Corazon continuously refuses to comply.
Corazon *knows* he is caught in a lie - a scummy lie.[/
Read the whole game. Updated reads list:
The Good: {Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Bereft}
The Bad: {Onegu, LoneMeow, Rayn, Sciberbia}
The Ugly: {Rean, jampidampi, Corazon}
Key swaps:
Sciberbia: Has nothing to do with comments before. Has to do with how he was interpreting Aquanim. If Rean flips scum, Sciberbia comes out looking pretty good for trying to get focus off Aquanim. Will have to do a specific filter-dive to firm this read up. Content in the middle.
Rayn: I have loved everything he did (UNTIL) he dropped his vote on Rean out of nowhere. This just makes no sense given the back/n/forth.
Corazon: I have two major issues with him
(1) Hes only accusing people that have attacked him.
(2) He is refusing to answer JJD question about the first post which I EMAND* an answer for
To which I will expound:
Corazon bluntly states that is it ridiculous to consider Sciberbia scum from the page 1 (which is 5).
The truth lies in the filter however:
This quote led to a lot of confusion.
Corazon later confirms the intent of rocking the boat was to call Sciberbia scummy.
What we have is Corazon caught in a lie.
First he calls Sciberbia scummy for 1 post.
More recently he states he can't have thought Scibs was scummy for that 1 post.
JJD has to ask *repeatedly* for such a simple answer and Corazon continuously refuses to comply.
Corazon *knows* he is caught in a lie - a scummy lie.[/
A few posts later his reads change once again.
Rayn no longer town, Scib no longer scum even though that was the only person he gave a reason for being scum, Cora goes from town to Scum. Scib is town because of a intereaction with Aqua, Rayn for a vote, and cora goes from town to scum, because he accuses his attackers, refuses to answer questions even though he does this again later and mocsta doesnt give him a scum read then.
On November 21 2013 23:35 Mocsta wrote:
Wow.. we are not on the same page.
The difference is Aquanim is not confident but continues to be an open book - allowing you to keep provoking him.
Rean on the other hand answers the questions to the point and delivers nothing more.
I know i find the latter more scummy, so should you.
Wow.. we are not on the same page.
The difference is Aquanim is not confident but continues to be an open book - allowing you to keep provoking him.
Rean on the other hand answers the questions to the point and delivers nothing more.
I know i find the latter more scummy, so should you.
Rayn now looks bad because he found something scummy but rayn didnt.
Then he votes rayn.
Ok Im on the PC and my wife needs it so Im going to just type my notes and give the relevant quotes in a bit.
Says a HF lynch would be ok with no reason.
Calls rayn 80 percent scum 20 percent policy
Ok to lynch Rean now still dont know why he is scummy.
Then has a post where Rean is now prolly town
Now thinks thrawn could possibly be scum and needs to look closer, nope quick change again to town
Bereft is now scum because he reads my notes, becomes ok with a bereft lycnh if what i say is true
Then says even if Im not stateing fact its not malicious
Says my facts on bereft are wrong but misses the most important part and that I am scum even though he just said it wouldnt be malicious if they were wrong.
I am scum for fanning the flames even though never shows where I do this.
Still town on Aqua but not complete anymore
New reads Me, Rean, and HF scum. Jamp is bad, everyone else is good
Compares reans play with mine in a different game
Calls someone out for useing scumslips but he did it often early
Bereft becomes null
Somehow I am begging him for forgiveness
Now votes Jamp who was in his bad pile not his scum pile, gives very few reasons other than scum are in inactives
Now says He voted Rayn not because he thought he was scummy (he did think he was) but would mess with town getting majority lynch off
Has rean in scum pile but defends him
Moves Aqua out of his good pile with dumb reason
Now leans town on me after my bereft case
Votes sciberia for not asking me questions
Votes JJD for a delurk but JJD was before in his town reads
Cora refuses to answer a question Mocsta doesnt call him scum for it when he did earlier.