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Hi
Gonna read the thread but two things
1) being apathetic to who are the hydras helps to read them. I've played with and against hydras, and it's a lot harder for them as scum then as town. Town hydras tend to not focus on interactions and have a more aloof sense of the game. Good scum hydras attempt to do the same, but where it gets funny is when they need to defend themselves. Then they let you know who's doing the talking lol 2) if a blue role needs to claim, just say blue, especially I you are boxer. This happened last game with a few people claiming boxers when I was a cop, and it kinda narrowed how open my claim would be. I would just keep quiet and do the setup math in your head until later.
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ShiaoPi! Come on down!
Want to explain your sheepskin, your lurking or your poking fun of the blue people?
##Vote ShiaoPi
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Voting grack is playing against your win condition if you are town btw.
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On February 15 2014 07:57 VIVAX420 wrote: this is a noob scumteam and we dont need the advantage of waiting a week to lynch one of them. we are just wasting time IMO.
Wut...
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How are you both so certain this early into the game that mafia don't have a "good player" on their team. Give me a single good reason why going slow isn't better. Yall ignorant.
Don't defend an awful line.
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On February 15 2014 16:24 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 15:53 bumatlarge wrote: How are you both so certain this early into the game that mafia don't have a "good player" on their team. Give me a single good reason why going slow isn't better. Yall ignorant.
Don't defend an awful line. I think there are pros and cons to going slow. A lot of people have discussed this. I would like to lynch shaopi now, mostly because I'm bored. I don't like IML.
I don't see the cons, but talking about feels like a waste. I don't like IML as town. As mafia it's great!
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On February 16 2014 01:55 ShiaoPi wrote: if you guys really lynch me based on this stuff you are terrible :D nobody even cares about my reads so looks like to you sillys d1 lynch is already decided. Why should I care about writing stuff out if you ignore it anyway. btw vivax gets moar scum points for rolefishing
Just explain why you think QP is scum. Gumshoe or a replacement isn't here yet so we can wait as long as we need to. No one has decided shit about d1, you just happen to look bad enough that you are about to get lynched. If you are town, getting lynched is your problem.
I would care about your reads, but there is so little substance, especially to your strongest read, that it is hard to care about it.
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That said, I'm still on the go slow plan. Gumshoe/replace isn't here, and until then we can afford to wait.
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I'm cautious about how many people are jumping on Shiao. Even if I think he's the scummiest I've come across in the thread, the reasons aren't all that strong. Sure he has little content and doesn't seem to be improving them, but day 1 townies do this.
Mattchew, I think this is what you usually do, but can you give a little more detail to who you are accusing? I wouldn't insult the game of mafia by calling them reads. You seem "ok with lynching X" about all of the time. The only thing I've liked about what you said so far is about sidespring. Do you have more on every other player in the game you've mentioned?
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On February 16 2014 04:28 IAmRobik wrote: Soooooo, it's a good thing I didn't access my computer last night or I would have spammed some dumb drunk shit. I agree that shiao looks super scummy and if he's town, it's 100% his fault if he gets mislynched. His "reads" are lackluster at best and his "anger" about getting "mislynched" is laughable.
Vivax and roundabound,
The 4 of you failed me.
gumshoe,
A lot is going to be expected of you. Please make the best use of your posts. There are a lot of really towny people in my eyes and just a few scummy ones, so you're gonna have to prove yourself.
Can you tell me more about the 4 who have failed you?
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On February 15 2014 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:some short summary to work with: townreads: ShiaoPi - most obv town ever (yay!) DNP/Bumatlarge - leaning town roundabound - pretty surely in town scummy guys: quantumpope - feels like best lynch today mattchew - nonfactor and nothing to show for mordanis - see above vivax - this one is more tricky. I did not like the entrance and the half assed shit on thrawn. he is doing the same shit to me. Quoting not my last scumgame and also a large one instead of a mini/smaller sized. just fyi that is the first post from my last scumgame: also would you in the interest of all please start signing your goddamn posts? kush and vivax are at least in my opinion totally different players and it makes a shitton of difference who is posting. Makes me feel like you are purposely doing it to confuse us. rest is pretty much nullish. see you later (yea I am a lazy guy)
I hope you know this post is why people are voting you. Put it this way, you are making it really easy for mafia to vote you, and town won't be able to tell. QuantomPope seems to be fitting his meta that he had in the LSB Restart game, which lead him to be shot by a vig. He was a boon to my mafia team, and gave us a strong edge just because of how much a single misread town player trips up town from figuring the game out. You can't really accuse people for calling out bad play as town, so it keeps the game from developing which is ideal for mafia. You are currently in that boat. It is very easy to avoid getting lynched day 1 as long as you remain active and open. Look at Robot, I'm not a big fan of how he is approaching the game, but I would be surprised if he flips scum this game.
It seems like you have a stronger read on Vivax then you do QuantomPope. Can you respond to what he has said. I would appreciate if you two(three?) would hash out what you think of each other. I'm in the same boat with your scum list, but because you don't go into much detail, I can't benefit from what you think!
Lazy people get lynched dude I know this first-hand.
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Ah, hydras confused me.
It's hard to enforce such a scope of reads on randoms. Such is forums, people can just ignore certain things.
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I hope to god you are mafia thrawn. I thirst for vengeance from restart.
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Oh baby you know I like it when you act scummy...
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ONLY I GET TO HAMMER.
ME.
NOT YOU.
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On February 16 2014 11:12 Grackaroni wrote:We should join forces for a more surprising hammer/
Only if you are the hatter.
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We wait for three.
Shiao (unlikely) Gumshoe (said tonight american=soon) Mordanis (?)
Even trolling procures content sometimes... like some as in not much.
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Throw QP in there too, he's actually playing a lot different to his previous town game.
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Do you think we are not going to vote you now? I can't see a reason not to take this seriously...
Voting roundabout
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On February 16 2014 16:08 Mocsta wrote: nah, my team is vivax420 and irobik
giving up cos bum is stopping the mislynch on shiaopi
need more Mattchew votes, gogogo
I wasn't not going to lynch shiaopi until you said something.
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I don't know, mocsta played restart basically by himself most of the game. He never got mad at teammates for doing stupid things. He was a very resilient scum, and this is a complete turnaround. He's probably sick of rolling scum? I think we should make sure that Rayn actually hasn't gone AWOL, thought I don't know what he could say. Whatever, emotions i guess.
Feel free to hammer raycsta
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On February 16 2014 17:30 thrawn2112 wrote: someone who is under no suspicion asks to be lynched and you think it's a good idea to indulge them? really?
Their is a big difference in asking to be lynched and claiming scum. I would consider asking to be lynched a null tell because it's TL mafia, but you can't say "I'm scum claiming" and not hinting at a joke whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, Rayn likes to be stupid to prove a point in dramatic ways, but I doubt they went over what mocsta just said as idle lynch bait.
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On February 16 2014 17:34 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 17:33 bumatlarge wrote:On February 16 2014 17:30 thrawn2112 wrote: someone who is under no suspicion asks to be lynched and you think it's a good idea to indulge them? really? Their is a big difference in asking to be lynched and claiming scum. I would consider asking to be lynched a null tell because it's TL mafia, but you can't say "I'm scum claiming" and not hinting at a joke whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, Rayn likes to be stupid to prove a point in dramatic ways, but I doubt they went over what mocsta just said as idle lynch bait. I'm scum claiming
:D
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On February 16 2014 13:14 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 13:12 VIVAX420 wrote: and mocsta wtf you dont wan tto lynch shiaopi anymore? I'm bored and over this game. Rayn hasnt been in the qt for over 24hrs, and the thread is going no where. I cant force people to post; yet now we are all trying to hold hands in a circle singing kum-bay-yah. I am scum claiming. Please lynch us. ~moc
That's not a post you throw together as a joke. Especially if you leave the thread afterwards. You have a theory about lynch bait? You think Rayn is not Afk?
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While I would have not opted to lynch roundabout anytime soon, you can't say he's the townie player just because it's a hydra with two vet heads. They pushed robot, then he shat townieness ok can't lynch. They pushed donotpanic, he shat townieness, nope no good either. It already did us enough good that we can punish roundabound for scum claiming. If they come back and discuss it, I certainly will listen, but not lynching Round is not in the cards for us right now.
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You realize how ban worthy this is regardless of their alignment? You are able to force yourself to get lynched in any game at anytime with scum claiming, and barring some power, it's almost always bad for your side. He's not joking, he may be being a defeatist and a drama queen, but that justifies nothing.
Is he waiting to post something game changing when he hits 6 votes? You think "we've figured out the scum team, and the only way to prove it is to get lynched right now!", which no one can be that sure, sounds like a reasonable thing to do? You think mocsta/Rayn have already dubbed the town as hopeless in a joint agreement, and have decided that they need to go against the entire spirit of the game to show us how dumb we are?
Stop insulting yourself and us by thinking this is rational. This is condescending and revolting no matter what these two think they are doing. They are going to get lynched, but if at least one of them doesn't want to face TL mafia exile, which they very well might, they need to come back, apologize, and play the rest of the game out as best as they can.
I'm not having this shit.
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On February 16 2014 18:18 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 18:03 bumatlarge wrote: They pushed robot, then he shat townieness ok can't lynch. They pushed donotpanic, he shat townieness, nope no good either. It already did us enough good that we can punish roundabound for scum claiming. If they come back and discuss it, I certainly will listen, but not lynching Round is not in the cards for us right now. what is scummy about pressuring people until they shit towniness?
If you are trying to fit a meta and you end up doing more harm then good for your side? I thought what rayn and mocsta did pressure wise had fantastic results, but who is to say this strictly a town tell? You don't think a scum Rayn who isn't yelling questions at every little thing someone does to generate a response would be an obvious meta alarm?
Their is such a thing as benefitting town too much as mafia. It's a null tell most of the time, but before the scum claim, I wasn't super concerned with what Round was, because the hydra had already done a lot for town. You have to lynch people that drag the town backwards early. That why policy lynches and mislynches happen early. There is too much WIFOM in going after people who are protown because it makes them look good.
I'm saying that we can't cancel out a scum claim with protown prescence. It's a whole different scale.
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On February 16 2014 18:21 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 18:16 bumatlarge wrote: You realize how ban worthy this is regardless of their alignment? You are able to force yourself to get lynched in any game at anytime with scum claiming, and barring some power, it's almost always bad for your side. He's not joking, he may be being a defeatist and a drama queen, but that justifies nothing.
Is he waiting to post something game changing when he hits 6 votes? You think "we've figured out the scum team, and the only way to prove it is to get lynched right now!", which no one can be that sure, sounds like a reasonable thing to do? You think mocsta/Rayn have already dubbed the town as hopeless in a joint agreement, and have decided that they need to go against the entire spirit of the game to show us how dumb we are?
Stop insulting yourself and us by thinking this is rational. This is condescending and revolting no matter what these two think they are doing. They are going to get lynched, but if at least one of them doesn't want to face TL mafia exile, which they very well might, they need to come back, apologize, and play the rest of the game out as best as they can.
I'm not having this shit. I translate this as ""blah blah i'm so mad at mocsta.... i'm beginning to think he's town but that makes me even more mad at him so i'm not going to worry about if he's scum and instead i'll mindlessly talk about policy lynching until he's lynched" is what he is doing banworthy? that is something that can be dealt with after the game. right now all you need to worry about is lynching mafia
Don't be naive. I may be a bit heated, but you know I always project both sides, and come to a conclusion. The only reason I'm considering Round as town is because it's against his win condition from both alignments. I'm fairly certain he's going to flip scum, and he's going to need a ban. It's completely unfair to his scum team no matter who they are.
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On February 16 2014 18:32 thrawn2112 wrote: so your case against them is
1 rayn fits his town meta exactly, therefor he is mafia
2 typing the words "I am scum claiming" is some magical spell that auto-confirms the poster as scum
You are being extradonarily contrary for whatever reason, because you know them well. You are letting your bias cloud something very simple.
1) I'm saying Rayns meta should be a null tell, and it being naturally protown, he has to choose anti-meta or anti-town. I never say it's scummy, I'm merely stating that it should be null tell, not a town tell. I would never lynch a Rayn doing his usual thing because it helps town, as is evident in this very thread. I'm also going to give him the credit that he would be able to do it as mafia if it was in is best interest. I don't think if be able to tell, and in both cases, he should he will survive longer as long as he never over extends imitating his own play. I think that's something reasonable he would agree with.
2) Yes! You can't say that. It's completely unnecessary as town unless it's obviously implied. I'm usually good on picking up on these things, and this appears completely serious to me. How many times have you had to tell a newer player about a joking interaction? You don't think with the varied player base here mocsta wouldn't make it abundantly clear that he was joking? And pray tell, what alterior motive would justify this?
I need to sleep, and I'm not taking my vote off.
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On February 16 2014 18:47 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 18:35 bumatlarge wrote: I'm fairly certain he's going to flip scum, and he's going to need a ban. It's completely unfair to his scum team no matter who they are.
##Unvote ##Vote: BumatlargeIt worked. Dem sharks always like to hover around the fresh smell of green blood. sigh, too easy Bum. Completely fallacious arguments you are marking.
Don't do this.
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Regardless of how this ends, it's going to end up with you looking like a jackass and an idiot. Good night.
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Next person to say the word boring needs a foot up their ass. I'll be back in a few hours
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Ok
We are lynching ShiaoPi.
While I think Round is scum, because there is no town logic whatsoever behind his posting, I could be wrong and this might be how that entity thinks they can scumhunt. I have no intention of dropping them from my scumlist anytime soon because it in no way helps us.Though, what mocsta did was such a vomit-inducing attempt to be clever that he clearly did it idly without thinking it through. I guess that is slightly feasible to justify doing from a town perspective.
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT LAST STATEMENT DOESN'T MEAN? THAT I THINK I'M GIVING HIM A TOWN READ. Yes thrawn, I used "is" and "town" in the same sentence, but thats looking at angles, not a read. GET THAT STRAIGHT YOU ILLITERATE BUFFOON. I'm stating there is a chance, so he is not the auto lynch. I was wrong in pushing that sentiment.
ShiaoPi is the lynch that would do us the most good. My mouth started watering when I read the bolded part. Sure you can grind it out to WIFOM, but I love how tangible Roundabound made it with this post.
On February 16 2014 16:08 Mocsta wrote: nah, my team is vivax420 and irobik
giving up cos bum is stopping the mislynch on shiaopi
need more Mattchew votes, gogogo
I'm not going to pretend to know what this whole post implies, but it's purposefully confusing and it's bad, but not completely uninformative. We were clearly on the road to lynching ShiaoPi. It wasn't until Moc's post that we got off of him. The timing is interesting.
Moc accomplished nothing with his claim/un-claim of scum. Everyone knew it wouldn't. I don't think I need to detail that there is very little difference in town voting proclaimed scum and mafia voting proclaimed scum. His arguments against me voting him immediately fall short because my accusations towards him are perfectly acceptable as both alignments. You play against your win-con, I am going to lynch you. It's generically going to be the response that 90% of players give. Trolling indicates that you are trying to trip up someone's thought process, and if you do that intentionally in public, you are encouraging chaotic behavior which is awfully antie-town. There was no fruitful read that came of Moc's claim. Not Gumshoe, not Mattchew, not me. No one.
But maybe ShiaoPi.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 16 2014 23:11 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 22:44 VIVAX420 wrote: mordanis - TOWN He is a super noob. Yes his cases are bad but newb scum would not be able to make those cases. if the cases are bad, why is it beyond a newb scum? You lump and categorise players too hard. Mordanis has a small filter: read 1 page. Lets do a post by post: NOT SPOILERED for your Benefit
Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 03:31 Mordanis wrote: It's been quite a while since I've played, so I was going to say that I seem to remember that the correct action at the beginning of a game is to yell at people and vote for people just for the hell of it, but I see all of this has already been accomplished. Clearly this much shenanigans could only be scum.
brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone. Red: Noob Card with insult to town thrown in for good measure -> (/sarcasm) cos thats how town likes to correct actions they do not like Blue: First promise of "mega contribution"
Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 06:28 Mordanis wrote: I'm a little confused... Robik, are you really voting for thrawn for posting "hmmm", or is there more behind it?
On a side note, I think its looking a bit sketchy that it seems like we already have a vote on thrawn (for "hmm") and vivax building a meta case on him for lurking a few hours into the game, it feels like teamwork or opportunistic scum play... No conclusion fluff
Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 06:36 Mordanis wrote: I'm not sure I follow that argument. Is scum inherently lazy in your view, or does actual evidence always support town, rather than scum? I think its certainly possible that scum could find a previous game that could be used to lynch a townie. Theory ramble. Null
Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:30 Mordanis wrote: Rob, you're clearly reading my filter without context. I wrote that after like 5 posts, and it was a joke intended for the couple (I think) of people I've played with before. You see, I had a reputation (especially from my newbie games) of only posting novella-length cases, and basically letting those do all of my talking. Second promise of "mega contribution"
Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 09:06 Mordanis wrote:I've got to go to class for a while, but before I go, I just wanted to elaborate on my previous feelings. I think the abortive case had some momentum for a second against thrawn is very suspicious. The way Rob voted for Thrawn for lurking, and then !Hey Presto!, vivax comes in showing that thrawn is apparently well known for being lurky as scum, well it all seems very wrong. vivax backed down almost immediately, and Rob stayed the course until thrawn started talking. Now vivax left without any more reads after that. Rob did the *exact* opposite, posting a lot and picking up a read (based on thrawn's thoughts and a joke). Essentially what I'm trying to say here is that the behavior between the two of these definitely warrants more investigation.On vivax I really don't like the way that vivax posted fluff, gave someone else evidence to start a case, and then left it all alone for everyone else to take care of, and then disappeared right afterwards. And then there's this post: On February 13 2014 06:17 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 13 2014 06:16 IAmRobik wrote: People try to shush me when I play live games cause I talk to much...but in these games I'm free to provide all the content that I want! do you talk a lot as scum too? vivax goes from one hell of a scum read on thrawn (without really pushing anything) to one hell of a town read on Robik (without telling us why). In short, vivax seems incredibly confident about being right but hasn't really done anything useful aside from helping another player make a case. That seems like as much of a scum mindset as you can get. Red: He is a self-proclaimed "novella-case" maker, yet is only producing glimmers of thoughts with no concrete substance. Bold Red: If this is a proven scum mindset, where is the vote?
Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 09:16 Mordanis wrote: so rayn, If you're not voting for anyone right now, what are your best scum reads? Ironic fluff; considering he has scum reads with no vote...
Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 23:53 Mordanis wrote:On February 13 2014 22:24 VIVAX420 wrote: i misread actually. I thought he was saying i had a hell of a scumread on rob because i asked him a question. actually he said hell of a townread.
Quite reasonably because "do you talk this much as scum" implies that you meant Rob was a town read. Robik didn't say "I talk a lot as town", but rather "I like forum mafia because I can make a ton of content". Offers insight on post phrasing for something insignificant; yet, can't reach vote-worthy conclusions on his own reads.
Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 23:58 Mordanis wrote:On February 13 2014 18:53 thrawn2112 wrote: Mordanis did you reach any conclusions about robik? I can't tell if you're trying to sell both robik/vivax as a scum team or if you thought robik could be mafia purely based off of his own play.
I'm not going after Robik at present. I felt something was off between the two that warranted further investigation, which has led me to believe that vivax is the scummier of the two. Right now, I'm not exactly feeling incredibly rushed to get a lynch in the next few hours, so I'm curious to see the way kush plays vivax. Red: Apparently now isn't chasing Robik; but doesnt clear him as town either..... Blue: Not rushed to get a lynch, because waiting for others to do things- -- yet wont produce the mega contributions promised either.
Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 14:10 Mordanis wrote: Hey, I just got back. If anyone has any questions for me, I'll be reading through for the next while. Another excuse to not fulfil his own promise
Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 15:28 Mordanis wrote: The more I look at the early game, the worse vivax looks. vivax's meta case on thrawn came 3 hours in. A few minutes later, Robik asks vivax for a game where thrawn is town, and vivax doesn't post for the next ~half hour. then 3 minutes after thrawn explains his little move, there's vivax. To me, this comes across as vivax cherrypicking stuff to try to get a lynch early.[/erd]
Hopefully more coming soon! Red:The case on Vivax is time-stamp conjecture summarised by cherrypicking "STUFF" that isnt even fleshed out for us simpletonsBlue: 3rd promise of more contribution
Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 16:43 Mordanis wrote:On February 14 2014 02:57 VIVAX420 wrote:Well what I don't like about Mordanis is the fact that he doesn't seem the least bit suspicious about thrawn. When a guy is lurking and posting nonsense you would actually want him to post more and better stuff so you can get a read on him. Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured, and thrawn himself already pointed out: Mordanis could be scum, his suspicions of vivax/robik look like they stem from him having knowledge of my alignment. He's suspicious of people because of their suspicions of a townie which is classic fake-scumhunting.
I thought this was apparent but I guess I have to explain this. The case on thrawn was the first case with anything to it. There were two people behind it, and it seemed like a mostly meta case (as I recall, Robik was much happier with his read after seeing the game vivax linked). The thing is, I don't know thrawn, or really anyone else well enough to make a meta case or even believe one without outside confirmation.So, I did what I can do, and thought about the posts and the order and such, to try to find scum through analysis. I thought (and still do) that, if there is a strong meta case against someone who has played many games on TL, there will be several games that will show this pattern, and multiple people will be able to verify that the meta case is reasonable. An acceptable point of view. And a solid reason to be unsure of Mordanis alignment. Henceforth I treat this post as null until more flips are given. Why?Scum know who town is. Say Thrawn is town; its an entirely plausible contribution for scum to make (Against a weak/incorrect Vivax case). This is independant of Vivax alignment.
Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 16:54 Mordanis wrote:On February 14 2014 13:34 VIVAX420 wrote: thrawn timeline: lurk scumstyle start tryharding because vivax caught him continue to lurk when the pressure goes down As per my last post, could someone who knows thrawn let me know if this isa reasonable case or not? Why does this still matter. The game has progressed further; Vivax and his hydra buddy have made more content than pertains to just thrawn; yet mordanis is fixated here talking abotu absolutely nothing else YET NOT PROBING THEM TO ELUCIDATE MORE INFORMATION.
Vivax, mordanis is scum QED Please lynch, me falling asleep here.
After throwing red reads around on everyone involved, he goes after a single person that was not involved in the entire incident. The case on Mordanis is weak. It's day one and he is being quoted on promising content and lack of a vote. That's it. It isn't good, but it is far from lynch material when there are worse individuals here.
Now sidesprang, who I admit is not on my townlist is being pushed. The fact that Round strictly used SS's posts about his claim to procure a reason to vote is mindboggling. It's clearly a null-tell when someone votes for someone who claims scum and asks to be lynched.
On February 17 2014 00:49 roundabound wrote:sideprang:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 17:27 sidesprang wrote: [red]Then he deserves to get policy lynched, and hopefully a ban aswell. Hops on to the claim immediately for policy reasons. But see especially the red part. Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 23:45 sidesprang wrote: I'm up for Mord / QP, pretty much just want to get this lynch over with. This game is so boring. When the lynch does not gain momentum see what he does. He drops out his scumread/policy (which is weak in the first place) and suddenly wants to lynch someone else. Now this makes no sense, if he feels like we are mafia so strong, why not push the lynch then? He's trying to find a lynch, not mafia. ##unvote ##Vote: sidesprang
What a miserable excuse of a vote. I can't believe this hydra has any intention of helping town for the remainder of the game. I'd be more then happy to eat my words and wear the dunce cap if Round can provide a better case and organize town instead of calling it boring because of the nature of IML.
We are lynching the person who was stuffed under the Moc claim and forgotten about vote-wise. His name is still getting mentioned but there is no weight put into it at all.
ShiaoPi flipping scum will confirm alot for me. And I don't think you people will lynch the hydra as long as you are afraid of getting called names by it.
##unvote ##Vote ShiaoPi
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I would love to lynch you, but apparently you can scum claim and still not die. I'm immune to your tactics boys.
Why don't you go ahead and put your vote on ShiaoPi. You aren't allowed to put it anywhere else.
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Aw, ShiaoPi y u no talk to me
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On February 19 2014 07:07 Mordanis wrote:More on DNP/bum Both were primarily focused on Shiao, and aside from that tidbit I'd say DNP is null/town read bum, however, is very scummy. Aside from the post I talked about earlier, he's mostly just given fairly bland policy. E.G + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2014 05:12 bumatlarge wrote: Hi
Gonna read the thread but two things
1) being apathetic to who are the hydras helps to read them. I've played with and against hydras, and it's a lot harder for them as scum then as town. Town hydras tend to not focus on interactions and have a more aloof sense of the game. Good scum hydras attempt to do the same, but where it gets funny is when they need to defend themselves. Then they let you know who's doing the talking lol 2) if a blue role needs to claim, just say blue, especially I you are boxer. This happened last game with a few people claiming boxers when I was a cop, and it kinda narrowed how open my claim would be. I would just keep quiet and do the setup math in your head until later. On February 15 2014 15:53 bumatlarge wrote: How are you both so certain this early into the game that mafia don't have a "good player" on their team. Give me a single good reason why going slow isn't better. Yall ignorant.
Don't defend an awful line. On February 15 2014 16:49 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 16:24 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 15 2014 15:53 bumatlarge wrote: How are you both so certain this early into the game that mafia don't have a "good player" on their team. Give me a single good reason why going slow isn't better. Yall ignorant.
Don't defend an awful line. I think there are pros and cons to going slow. A lot of people have discussed this. I would like to lynch shaopi now, mostly because I'm bored. I don't like IML. I don't see the cons, but talking about feels like a waste. I don't like IML as town. As mafia it's great! On February 16 2014 02:35 bumatlarge wrote: That said, I'm still on the go slow plan. Gumshoe/replace isn't here, and until then we can afford to wait. On February 16 2014 09:21 bumatlarge wrote: I'm cautious about how many people are jumping on Shiao. Even if I think he's the scummiest I've come across in the thread, the reasons aren't all that strong. Sure he has little content and doesn't seem to be improving them, but day 1 townies do this.
Mattchew, I think this is what you usually do, but can you give a little more detail to who you are accusing? I wouldn't insult the game of mafia by calling them reads. You seem "ok with lynching X" about all of the time. The only thing I've liked about what you said so far is about sidespring. Do you have more on every other player in the game you've mentioned? On February 16 2014 09:32 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:some short summary to work with: townreads: ShiaoPi - most obv town ever (yay!) DNP/Bumatlarge - leaning town roundabound - pretty surely in town scummy guys: quantumpope - feels like best lynch today mattchew - nonfactor and nothing to show for mordanis - see above vivax - this one is more tricky. I did not like the entrance and the half assed shit on thrawn. he is doing the same shit to me. Quoting not my last scumgame and also a large one instead of a mini/smaller sized. just fyi that is the first post from my last scumgame: On June 09 2013 13:42 ShiaoPi wrote: sooo....anybody here? also would you in the interest of all please start signing your goddamn posts? kush and vivax are at least in my opinion totally different players and it makes a shitton of difference who is posting. Makes me feel like you are purposely doing it to confuse us. rest is pretty much nullish. see you later (yea I am a lazy guy) I hope you know this post is why people are voting you. Put it this way, you are making it really easy for mafia to vote you, and town won't be able to tell. QuantomPope seems to be fitting his meta that he had in the LSB Restart game, which lead him to be shot by a vig. He was a boon to my mafia team, and gave us a strong edge just because of how much a single misread town player trips up town from figuring the game out. You can't really accuse people for calling out bad play as town, so it keeps the game from developing which is ideal for mafia. You are currently in that boat. It is very easy to avoid getting lynched day 1 as long as you remain active and open. Look at Robot, I'm not a big fan of how he is approaching the game, but I would be surprised if he flips scum this game. It seems like you have a stronger read on Vivax then you do QuantomPope. Can you respond to what he has said. I would appreciate if you two(three?) would hash out what you think of each other. I'm in the same boat with your scum list, but because you don't go into much detail, I can't benefit from what you think! Lazy people get lynched dude I know this first-hand. *Editor's interpretation: Hey, I think you seem like town, but you are an easy candidate for lynch, so we are going to lynch you And there's plenty more, so please read through bum's filter. In general, bum has come into the thread after ~3 days and completely failed to bring a fresh perspective. He has also done essentially no scumhunting aside from going after Round for claiming scum. He voted Shiao early, and then seemed to talk to Shiao as town, without any effort to find any scum. ## vote bumatlarge
Let's chat mord. I probably did get too hung up on Round, but I did everything I could to get a better understanding of ShiaoPi's play this game. No one questioned his views from a town standpoint, and i think you can see why I was trying to stall the lynch on him by the other post you call me scummy for. Nothing I did indicated I knew anything about ShiaoPi's alignment, and I have him every opportunity to explain himself. I'll take the blame for lynching a townie, but what ou are looking for in my posts require assumptions about my alignment. Look at my reasoning from a town viewpoint, and I can guarentee it makes sense.
I'll answer anything I missed if you want. I'm going to try to figure out Matthew, but it may take me some time to do him justice. I suggest going slow again this cycle.
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On February 19 2014 07:32 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +I'm cautious about how many people are jumping on Shiao. Even if I think he's the scummiest I've come across in the thread, the reasons aren't all that strong. Sure he has little content and doesn't seem to be improving them, but day 1 townies do this.
I don't get how you can call a guy the scummiest and then not mention a single reason for it, instead doing the opposite. Bum, can you clarify?
I always do this and it always baffles people. Don't you think it helps to try to understand what people do from the opposite of what you read them as? I already gave pretty generic reasons for why I was voting him. I probably wouldn't have lynches him if he responded to my questions towards him. Instead he did nothing. He dug his own grave
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@Round: we would have taken your mord analysis more seriously if you stopped being a dick
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On February 19 2014 11:50 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 11:49 roundabound wrote:On February 19 2014 11:48 roundabound wrote:On February 19 2014 11:32 VIVAX420 wrote: Explanation: Shiao in a position to be lynched, Rayn unwilling to defend him, but also unwilling to let loose of SS to keep up the scumhunting picture. Hence, post cases against his target without discussing the main lynch candidate.
This is fucking crap because i was not here and Mocsta was so you can't even know what i would have or would not have done. I just told you, no i would have not defended him because he was scummy as fuck. But this comment from you is really shitty and twisting what really happened to look like something else. I am disappointed Vivax. ~rayn +1 ~moc Mocsta confirmed town. ~rayn
TOWN CIRCLE
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I am totally here and not busy or anything.
Hydras dont have to sign shit, im kinda surprised they were.
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On February 20 2014 10:47 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 10:26 bumatlarge wrote: I am totally here and not busy or anything.
Hydras dont have to sign shit, im kinda surprised they were. Of all the fucking things you felt the need to comment on coming back it's this!? Ok bum, hydras don't have to sign and can feel free to get offended when they're treated as an individual, no problem, your super duper right. Now who the fuck is scum? Specifically what do you think about Matt, mordanis and jar jar.
MEGASALT
mordanis is chill, other two not so much. What about the sprangside? I feel good about him being scum. I don't feel like putting more effort into my reads, so I'm not going to. Sorry!
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Hey man, I only replaced in because people needed me to. You can yell at me all you want.
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On February 20 2014 12:04 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 06:04 VIVAX420 wrote:lol wassup vivax. i solved the game for us. grack/bum/round final answer. TRUE CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME Think back to before mocsta's first scumclaim. There is a shit ton of drama going on in the scumqt. Rayn is afk for days and mocsta feels like he is stuck playing a game he didn't even want to play. He thought hydraing with rayn was going to be less work. But here he is,a one headed hydra, rolling scum ONCE AGAIN. THE SCUMCLAIM WAS REAL. Mocsta was done playing. That explains Bum's response, which otherwise would make no sense. Bum is fucking pissed. He is somehow CERTAIN mocsta is serious, and at least wants to get some towncred for it. That's why he acts way more certain that the claim is not a joke than he should have been. Mocsta comes around and he unscumclaims. Why was Bum so sure that mocsta wasn't joking? Why was Bum so angry that scum scumclaimed? Why did Bum mysteriously drop the read he was SO certain of? On February 16 2014 18:16 bumatlarge wrote: You realize how ban worthy this is regardless of their alignment? You are able to force yourself to get lynched in any game at anytime with scum claiming, and barring some power, it's almost always bad for your side. He's not joking, he may be being a defeatist and a drama queen, but that justifies nothing.
Is he waiting to post something game changing when he hits 6 votes? You think "we've figured out the scum team, and the only way to prove it is to get lynched right now!", which no one can be that sure, sounds like a reasonable thing to do? You think mocsta/Rayn have already dubbed the town as hopeless in a joint agreement, and have decided that they need to go against the entire spirit of the game to show us how dumb we are?
Stop insulting yourself and us by thinking this is rational. This is condescending and revolting no matter what these two think they are doing. They are going to get lynched, but if at least one of them doesn't want to face TL mafia exile, which they very well might, they need to come back, apologize, and play the rest of the game out as best as they can.
I'm not having this shit. bum am i right?
Well look at it this way. Would I really bring my emotion into the thread about another scumbuddy rather then privately? I also thinking in terms of teams when no scum has flipped is a bit too optimistic at this point. And if you are going to look at interactions, the ones between mocsta and myself are probably not a great place to start if our history as scumbuddies says anything.
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Oh, did Robotnik claim the other boxer?
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OK!
Alright, I've determined that sidesprang is fairly transparent. I can explain why, but I'd rather have him post for me to analyze. I'm not the greatest at meta reads, but the 'nervous' post mattchew brought up was pretty typical of the [red]sidesprang/red] I have studied.
@SS: Please post the reads you have that you believe are relevant. If you are town, then you should have no problem withing being as transparent as possible towards me.
I think we should hold off on lynching mattchew based purely on bringing up that tidbit. But thats just me.
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Newb LI and Shadow Reboot
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On February 21 2014 06:47 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:14 IAmRobik wrote: gumshoe, you were rb'd last night, yah?
that's one of the only reasons I don't want to lynch you.
as for bum...I explaining why i think he's town a couple pages back
if push comes to shove, i'll vote mattchew. I don't like the speed at which he got pressured this game especially with the votes d2. We'll see though. I'm down for whatever at this point as long as it's not vivax420, roundabound, me, gumshoe, bum, or grack (i think that's my town circle at the moment) I was rbed yes, but aside from that why do you want to lynch me? I think my arguments out before I post them, I dont get in insult wars with other townies, I go through filters thoroughly before I take a stance on someone and you can see all that in my history. I opt for quality over quantity and I've produced more with five posts than most people have with twenty. Which is pretty much how I've played as town in games past. I have stuck my neck out and presented unpopular cases not because I'm yolo red, but because I genuinely want to lynch scum. I have also played entirely transparent and have given town plenty to work with, both on those I consider scummy and myself, which is saying something considering that I didnt even know I was playing this game for two days. You've done just the same and then some, as a result I and several others have placed our faith in you. You dont have to listen to everything I say, but after I I've delivered to you Mattchews red razor mouse of doom, do have a little bit of that faith in me, given my existing contributions and upcoming accolades(matt slayer!) I dont deserve to have the whims of the trilaner be all that separates me from the noose.
This is absurd. "Sticking out your neck" for posting reads? And what the hell is an unpopular case? I've never heard of that before. In fact, I have not an inkling of what you are trying to say in that entire middle paragraph. Quality over quantity is content, not post length.
Can you reiterate why I'm scum again? I seem to have forgotten outside of "doesn't post" and "doesn't give reads".
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On February 21 2014 09:29 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:56 IAmRobik wrote: gumshoe...your absence bothered me as well as the fact that I still think mattchew is town...regardless of his activity. I'll reiterate that I can be wrong here...but that's just my intuition. I'm totally down with Vivax420's plan of waiting until everyone gets modkilled. If we end up losing, I won't feel bad. If we get mafia modkilled, that would be awesome and we can read him and figure stuff out and move onto another suspect. If it ends up with 1 town modkilled, well at least we have more info and we don't have to waste a lynch on him and again, can move onto another suspect. How the tables turn. (Full Seriousness) I am nominating this post for "Worst Plan" Mafia 2014. I can not believe you are relying on gaming the host to win this game. BH rules are clear that if you dont want to post, dont post. QP got away with 5 days of not posting. You admit you are bored. What you are advocating now, is a plan to ensure that the rest of the game will be equally bored. Ridiculous.Pull ya finger out. ~moc
He's not actually serious I think.
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On February 21 2014 12:23 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 10:21 bumatlarge wrote:On February 21 2014 06:47 gumshoe wrote:On February 21 2014 06:14 IAmRobik wrote: gumshoe, you were rb'd last night, yah?
that's one of the only reasons I don't want to lynch you.
as for bum...I explaining why i think he's town a couple pages back
if push comes to shove, i'll vote mattchew. I don't like the speed at which he got pressured this game especially with the votes d2. We'll see though. I'm down for whatever at this point as long as it's not vivax420, roundabound, me, gumshoe, bum, or grack (i think that's my town circle at the moment) I was rbed yes, but aside from that why do you want to lynch me? I think my arguments out before I post them, I dont get in insult wars with other townies, I go through filters thoroughly before I take a stance on someone and you can see all that in my history. I opt for quality over quantity and I've produced more with five posts than most people have with twenty. Which is pretty much how I've played as town in games past. I have stuck my neck out and presented unpopular cases not because I'm yolo red, but because I genuinely want to lynch scum. I have also played entirely transparent and have given town plenty to work with, both on those I consider scummy and myself, which is saying something considering that I didnt even know I was playing this game for two days. You've done just the same and then some, as a result I and several others have placed our faith in you. You dont have to listen to everything I say, but after I I've delivered to you Mattchews red razor mouse of doom, do have a little bit of that faith in me, given my existing contributions and upcoming accolades(matt slayer!) I dont deserve to have the whims of the trilaner be all that separates me from the noose. This is absurd. "Sticking out your neck" for posting reads? And what the hell is an unpopular case? I've never heard of that before. In fact, I have not an inkling of what you are trying to say in that entire middle paragraph. Quality over quantity is content, not post length. Can you reiterate why I'm scum again? I seem to have forgotten outside of "doesn't post" and "doesn't give reads". Im pretty much betting everything on this Matt lynch, if it fails, I am almost entirely to blame and I expect my head to roll shortly after his. Thats called sticking your neck out, fortunately its not no going to fail, I am almost entirely sure Matts scum. Also whats an unpopular case? A case that is not widely held in esteem, prior to my initial case against him, nobody was attacking him. I took a risk going after someone that was not considered scum by town before I made my case. Which was a much more difficult avenue to pursue rather than continuously flip flopping on side sprang... and one I pursued only because thats exactly what I need to do as town to ensure we lynch scum. Also if you dont understand what I'm saying, sorry? I try my best to be transparent, but I've had scum write "I dont know what this guy is saying" as an argument against me before, so forgive me if I dont find your ignorance entirely sincere, I have known you to play dumb before.
Who cares whats going to happen to you. You took a risk in scum hunting? You certainly are if you are scum. No one has defended mattchew, so everything you said is really unnecessary if you are intent on him being mafia. Thanks for telling us your motives though. I also like how you are making up a lot of non-sense about me flip-flopping on SS. Please continue to make up non-sense if that is your thing.
As for why your scum. Show nested quote +Can you reiterate why I'm scum again? I seem to have forgotten outside of "doesn't post" and "doesn't give reads". The bolded is just not true, you do post, it's just those posts are worthless, your only job as town is to find scum and it is through reads and subsequent red flips you prove your towniness. You dont do that, you just defend yourself and offer half assed reads and when people call you out on that you scream "im just the replacement guys!" . After Mattchew flips red, I'll go into detail against you, but for now just stand back and watch your buddy get roasted, cause I'm really getting tired of your terrible scum play.
How about you go into detail now. You are prepared to insult my play, but I think that is ill-founded. I think my scum play is pretty adequate, and yours is transparent! And mattchew is probably scum by the nature of your case and how you hope it's going to make you look. For being scum you sure do shed light on all the wrong things.
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Those two you quoted are both calling him scummy. You probably should read them again.
You can be transparent scum.
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On February 21 2014 14:38 gumshoe wrote: Yeah, I'm sorry Bum, that was pretty much the main reason I suspected you, I wont be voting for you this cycle period now. If you still wanna come after me, it's your call ( : I'm off to bed, gl all.
I'll think about it. I wanted to wait for Sidesprang, but I'm considering mattchew in the mean time.
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This game has gone downhill. just gonna vote mattchew
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At this point I wouldn't mind this game being solely for the purpose of testing Grack's seal. Let's not lynch him.
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Aw, oh well.
Was hoping sidesprang would come back, I think I could have town read him if he was active.
Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 16:38 roundabound wrote: Don't ever change bum I miss you constantly foiling me. That guy not posting anymore. I'm assuming this is mocsta NOT THAT I CARE OR ANYTHING Don't worry, I lied when I said I wasn't going to put effort into this game. I'm going to check some other games to gauge some playstyles. For starters, I'm going to look at sidesprang. Mattchew is pretty null, and if anyone has any of his old games that contrast or relate to this game, I would appreciate that. I read Round's post: + Show Spoiler +On February 13 2014 08:33 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:20 IAmRobik wrote:On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote: I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it..
The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads.
~rayn Each one of his posts is fabricated and convoluted. You're absolutely out of your mind if you think he's got the best posts in this thread. The points he asks about are valid and certainly amongst the most interesting things in thread. Let's talk about Mattchew: This is what you say about him: Show nested quote +Mattchew would have fluffed it up hardcore and not given any town reads in my opinion if he was scum. Here's what Mattchew has done in his last couple of scumgames at his first posts: TL Mafia LVII; + Show Spoiler +On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
fakeclaimed. I Cant Believe its not Themed Mini Mafia:+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2012 22:43 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:41 marvellosity wrote: Matt, while you're here - what do you make of gonzaw? He seems to be making stuff out of nothing, but it could just be provoking conversation.
I guess normally at the start of day 1 he has setup shit to ramble on about, which he does not here. he is trying really really hard, and once again he is explaining his entire thought process. I dont think i have ever seen him as scum, but this is the exactly how he plays as town First he talks about gonzaw and in his ~4th post is calling him town. I also checked a couple of his towngames and he does not call anyone town (or scum for whatever reasons) early on. So he is perfectly capable of opening up a game like he did as mafia and your meta read is not accurate, because it does not really line up with any of his games, scum or town. If you want to argue about this bring some evidence from some other games and show people why your read on him is what it is. Anyone can call anyone town because it's the easiest thing for mafia to do, especially if the other person is town because you know they are town so you are not lying and not "making stuff up". You have absolutely no reasons to call Mattchew (or anyone) town at this point of the game unless you bring up proper evidence to back your read up. ~rayn -but I'm not sure if these are alignment comparisons Per Se. They are just pointing out mattchews potential. I don't think he should be our lynch today. Game Comparison: sidesprangI'm going to take sidesprang's last two games of differing alignment and see if I can grasp his playstyle. All I really know is most games he was relatively quieter and knew his way around a blue role. Newbie LI: sidesprang-Thoroughly responds when asked about something. Anytime someone questions one of his posts he gives pretty detailed responses on what his process was. Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 03:27 sidesprang wrote: You are reading that post wrong suki.
Firstly I did not try to give myself an excuse for not doing the voteswap. I had in my previous post said that I would not be there for the vote. So why would I need another excuse ?
And I'm not trying to make the point that theDragoon and OWB is green if dnyarri is green. I'm trying to point out that Johnny and OWB is more green because of the voteswap. Because if the voteswap succeeded they would have nothing to gain from dnyarris death. If dnyarri was green -> they look scummy. If dnyarri is red -> they bussed a scummate when they absolutly did not have to.
The reason I said it's hard to me to judge how much towny theDragoon looked after the vote was because when I came back I read the flip. So when reading those posts I KNEW he was town. Therefor I wont sit on my high horse and say he was obvious town and blame others for not realizing it in the heat of the moment. I see nothing that is inconsistent,
Also I did not piggy-back your analysis of OWB. I made a post that was simmilar to yours yes. I looked into OWB because I got paranoid since the lynch went so easy. I found a few points, but in the end to me it felt more like confirmation bias on my side than anything else. So I decided to stick with my vote on dnyarri.
Reasoning for me not mentioning BigDad is just because he has been under my radar. But I'm sure if you look you will find more ppl I did not mention? In general I dont talk about people I dont have reads on
ATM I'm thinking the scumteam is between BigDad, dnyarri and TheChiz. I've not had time to write big cases like you. But I will hopefully do it early tomorrow so we will have time to discuss before the vote.
He doesn't seem to like being misunderstood for good reason. Not much left unturned, and this is pretty apparent this entire game. Naturally, he was not lynched this game, and I think he comes off as mostly transparent. Any post that doesn't go into detail is fairly concise and straightforward. Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 23:56 sidesprang wrote: Ok so i've been reading up on the people I thought could be scum. Namely BigDad, Dnyarri, TheChyz.
@Dnyarri
This guy is reading towny for me now. His play since mid day 2 and onward has been good imo, and his response to why he was lurking felt genuine and honest. I wont rule out him being scum, but for each post it seems less likely. And we got bigger fish to fry imo.
@TheChyz
This guy is my top scumread ATM. I really dislike his playstyle, and someone (I think suki) said it was to bad to be scum, but It's also to bad to be town. In the first hours this day he managed to out the cop for no reason. Pretty much everyone else believed Asuna as long as there was only 1 kill. And the fact that there was one more power role out there was VERY likely. You also asked for blue roles to out themselves only to say you did not like Asuna outing herself, I dont get this logic. And you can't just brush it off with you trying to aggressivly trap someone. Where is the trap? And what have you learned from your trapping plays. Please explain to me how your play would make sense from a town perspective, what where your goals, and what did you learn from it ?
On another note when I read his filter is that during day one and night one his top scumread was Day_Walker pretty clearly. But when we get to day two you did not mention or fight for him at all, you just followed the flavour of the moment kills. Why is that ? I get the feeling you did not really care to much about who got lynched.
@BigDad
This guy is hard to read for me. But the biggest scumsign for me is that I feel all his vote are weak. The reasoning behind them I dont find sound at all. Tho it can just be because he is new and is not really good at scumhunting (I get the tell that he is bad in several other posts like the two where he is asking for vig/cop shots). I know I'm currenty very wishy-washy on this guy.
I will take another look at Day_Walker because he is now my third pick, and since my filterdive on BigDad did not find very much.
Currently I think TheChyz is the best choice and I will vote him. He needs to provide some good and sound logic for his agressivly trapping plays for me to unvote him.
##Vote TheChyz The biggest thing to take from here is how much SS questions his own reads. There is a difference between being wishy washy and trying to look at both perspectives and getting null results. He always attempts to generate some type of read, which is what I took out of this filter as opposed to his next one. Shadow Reboot: sidesprangThe only caveat I found here was how unwilling SS was in pushing townies as lynch candidates. He got bullied around and his votes only landed on teammates. Although I did mention how SS gets both perspectives as town, he really falls short in explaining where his null reads come from. SS always had at least some reason to what made his read neutral. SS had no issue with throwing neutral reads on players. He really had to backtrack on this statement Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 18:44 sidesprang wrote: k, dont wanna give out town / nullreads tho cause I don't see the town benefit in doing so.
I like that rule early on in the game. I would have commended on SS on following that school of thought. He caved later on in the game though. Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 02:41 sidesprang wrote: Ok lets see...
LM: While reading his filter I just dont see anything that stand out in a scummy way, not neccesarily town either. But not worth looking at this late in the cycle.
Alakaslam: I buy that he has been busy with work and whatnot. As I don't think scum!slam would lurk in any way I dont see a reason for lying about it. That being said I dont think his enterance is very good. Starts by complaining about how Balla / Suki trolled early game, which has been pointed out is something he is very capable aswell. And it was obviously something that was prewritten before Balla got the roles. Why bring that shit up again, its a null tell. His points are just fluff. He then says he is going to try some filters, but looks like he only read JayB, maybe the easiest one to pick on at the time.
@Slam Did you read up on the rest of the players? Do you got any other reads? What are your thoughts on Jonny?
Hopeless: Overall I dont find much scummy or town in his filter. But I agree I don't like why he is giving oats a townread. As oats is able to swap around his vote like that as scum and town it should be a null tell. And as hopeless has been around a lot I would think he would know that.
@Hopeless Is there anything other than the voteswapping and how he did it that give you a towntell on oats? Does your towntell diminish if you read some of his scumgames and see he is able to do that as scum aswell?
Jonny: Ok he left off by saying he had a case coming on Balla, and that Ballas filter stank. But when he comes back he has a case on Koshi. And imo it sucks, he points to a lot of different things, but I dont see why Koshi is scum from any of them. He claims to have scumreads on Koshi, slam and LM. Where the fuck did Balla go? I think Aquas case on him is really good, especially his conversation with the LM read. It really don't make any sense.
@Jonny What is your stance on Balla now? What in his filter stank, is it still stinking ? If not why?
##Vote JonnyLaw
Eek, that really doesn't happen that long after the first post I mentioned. The only thing that happened between the two was people applying pressure to him. He ends up giving null reads, a town read on a townie and scum read on a buddy. I think the pressure got to him, this play was quite counter-intuitive.
And I didn't even get to what SS had said this game.
Pretty disheartening. Back to lurking.
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Whatcha gonna do?
Surprised you guys weren't going to shoot robnik. After SS and mattchew died, my scum list was Gumshoe, Round and JJD. Shooting may have made me move to Vivax over Mord, but I would have prioritized the others.
I was not going to be lynched this game, sorry gumshoe
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The RB doesn't mean much... why would you base a read on that?
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On February 23 2014 14:29 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 13:57 gumshoe wrote:On February 23 2014 11:04 IAmRobik wrote: He was never gonna get lynched. And the only reason you didn't get lynched was cause of the RB claim. Otherwise you were super scummy I dont know man, you really didnt wanna see Matt get lynched, and yet off he went, I dont think it's too much of a stretch to imagine either grack or Bum dying before me and Mord, but believe what you will, that was a bad game all around so theres not much to be proud of in the first place. There's a difference between convincing people to not lynch someone who is _NOT_ in the game versus someone who I made a strong case for why they're town.
Your reads were very accurate, but I don't think the rest of us were quite on the same page. I liked how you played this game, but being convinced yourself isn't enough. I was sure you were town, and you were sure I was town, so we probably should have communicated more.
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On February 23 2014 17:15 Foolishness wrote: roundabound's mafia claim was so bad.
By that I mean it was bad but it was also good. Like it made me facepalm cause I was able to instantly figure out he was mafia from it (especially after a good filter read) but then it was also brilliant how he was able to dodge a lynch and play off of it to mislead the town.
It's like one of those things that's so stupid it's brilliant. Or perhaps it was so brilliant that it was stupid.
When people weren't constantly yelling this game was actually pretty interesting to read. Perhaps that doesn't say much cause that's only like 20 pages >.>
See, I was on that track, but to do that on a hydra account seems really unfair to your partner. I don't think I am going to take courtesy into account anymore.
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On February 23 2014 18:25 roundabound wrote: Gumshoe was clearly scum though
That diatribe with bum where as a townie he put his neck out haha man. Oh man
Yeah, I couldn't believe what I was reading.
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