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On February 06 2014 00:20 marvellosity wrote: Prome I'll lynch you if you shoot rayn. I'm sure about this. See above
Would prefer to shoot Artanis, its a personal thing, he has disappointed me. He can't talk to me as scum and this is sad, we keep being excited to play together but every time he rolls scum and never says a word to me. I'm a sad.
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On February 06 2014 00:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 00:21 DarthPunk wrote: People that call marv town every game even when he is scum, so it is meaningless.
Wave
Promethelax
Evidence. Shadow game, every game ever.
Such a pointless argument Go find in Shadow where either of them said I was 100% certain town. Go on, chop chop.
In fact look at d1 where I said marv was still likely scum even for voting to lynch Sand. Look after n1 where I said night kill implicated marv scum. Look at how I never gave marv a town read the whole game but did say he was off the table due to d1 voting.
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On February 06 2014 00:22 marvellosity wrote: Artanis is just a gimme.
DP is the townie whose play I'm most concerned by though and if he can have me as likelier scum than Artanis he can do anything about anyone and I refuse to be in a position like last game where I didn't force a lynch onto obvious scum (you) and realize in postgame what a mistake that was.
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Hey, if we all quit playing can this be the fabled happily ever after game?
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On February 06 2014 00:26 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 00:24 marvellosity wrote:On February 06 2014 00:23 DarthPunk wrote:On February 06 2014 00:21 marvellosity wrote:On February 06 2014 00:21 DarthPunk wrote: People that call marv town every game even when he is scum, so it is meaningless.
Wave
Promethelax
Evidence. Shadow game, every game ever.
Such a pointless argument Go find in Shadow where either of them said I was 100% certain town. Go on, chop chop. They refused to lynch you. Deja vu. They didn't even bring it up. The only reason they have now is because they are forced to take a stance cause people are out for your blood. Unlike shadow game where you could just coast because nobody even VOTED for you. lmao. ahahahaha DP are you seriously using the argument that "not getting lynched" = "100% declaring town"? ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I have not enough ahahahahahahahas for this. AS this has again descended into bullshit I will leave the thread. ##unvoteRather shoot you than lynch you after you are both wanting to shoot obv town assets.
Artanis is an obv town asset?
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I believe this is an enraged, silly, out of his mind, town DP. I don't think DP would willingly fake this level of hot headedness when he has previously quit the forum over his anger. Speaking as an angry person, his level of anger seems hard to fake and if one was to fake it it would become real. Since he has had anger issues on the forum before I do not believe he would create this level of anger in himself.
My worry is with Wave who said that I always have a good reason to call him town on deep meta. Twice in our history together I have had those reasons, once in Shadow and once in Carnival Cruise. The fact that he says I always do that is a blatant falsehood and, more worryingly, one he knows is false since we just talked about it in the coaching qt a few days ago (as you can see). Over all I still think he is likely to be town but that has been worrying me.
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I just posted my reads bro. And yes he is my second for how he has dealt with me here.
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Okay since there is no discussion can we talk about Cephiro? I have never played with him and have no idea what he is doing. He feels like a don't-give-a-fuck townie but I have no idea if he could play this poorly as town or if anything he has done is particularly alignment indicative for him.
For those that know him is there a good reason to read him one way or the other?
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How did I just draw you both out? Am I a superhero!?
So, Ceph, if I can't meta you why not do more to show your townieness. There is literally no downside since 1)scum has no nightkill and 2)there are no blue roles.
LSB: as much as I love the idea of happily ever after plans they aren't so helpful to this game at this moment. You have not contributed anything for a while, have your reads evolved? Who do you see as most likely scum and who as most likely town. Why?
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Because there will be two deaths per day, one unflipped and one flipped. Better have the unflipped one be a townie and the flipped one be scum. We're never going to get two scum deaths (obviously since no scum will shoot scum) so it is better to have the one scum death be flipped. That proves the alignments of both players and gives town a bigger advantage than the flipped player being town because a townie could suck their way into shooting a townie easily while the only people who will shoot scum are town.
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Any chance you can give me your casual reads? anything that has stuck out to you really.
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Every day there will be at least one townie death. If we are sure that someone is scum. Artanis for instance. It is better to lynch a borderline player, one who many people suspect, and have them shoot Artanis. That way we ensure that we eliminate two suspects from the suspect pool and, hopefully, get a red flip to inform our future choices.
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On February 06 2014 03:07 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 03:04 Promethelax wrote: Every day there will be at least one townie death. If we are sure that someone is scum. Artanis for instance. It is better to lynch a borderline player, one who many people suspect, and have them shoot Artanis. That way we ensure that we eliminate two suspects from the suspect pool and, hopefully, get a red flip to inform our future choices. I don't understand why you are repeating yourself in hopes of a different response by me.
Because you asked me to explain it, that lead me to believe you didn't understand. So I tried again.
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On February 06 2014 02:58 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 02:52 Promethelax wrote: Because there will be two deaths per day, one unflipped and one flipped. Better have the unflipped one be a townie and the flipped one be scum. We're never going to get two scum deaths (obviously since no scum will shoot scum) so it is better to have the one scum death be flipped. That proves the alignments of both players and gives town a bigger advantage than the flipped player being town because a townie could suck their way into shooting a townie easily while the only people who will shoot scum are town. ???? Please explain the bolded part. Have I not made it clear that town shooting town is the only way how scum will win? And why do I care about the alignments of dead players? This is what I am incredibly concerned about. If you haven't noticed, this isn't your normal mafia game. Scum does not win by simply getting town lynched. Scum wins by having a townie shoot another townie. This is why I am incredibly concerned about WoS trying to tie players together. This is also why I am concerned about Marv trying to make sure that rayn gets shot at night instead of simply lynching him. And this is also why I think you are mafia.
So to clarify you think lynching scum and allowing said scum to shoot whomever they want is better than lynching a low hanging townie fruit (i.e. one that looks scummy) and having them shoot the guy we're sure is scum?
If that second guy is not scum we were already going to lynch him and allow him to shoot anywhere into the others in the game; how is that preferable to the scenario I suggest?
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So Ceph/LSB if you would do me the kindness of looking into the DP/rayn dichotomy I would be very pleased. I happen to agree with Ceph that no more than one of them can be scum and I have obviously drawn my own conclusions on that. You should be able to post reads on those two players at least to some degree.
In reality every player should have a read on every other single player. There are only 8 people to read for god's sake.
What I would most appreciate is reads from Wave/LSB/Ceph they are all three in my townie column but I am not as sure of them as I am marv and DP. I believe those three can provide good reads based on actual things in this game which should both help move discussion forward and help to find the scum in that group if there is one.
I'm here for another hour or so and after that heading out to celebrate my snow day.
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On February 04 2014 09:37 WaveofShadow wrote:KK. But just so you know I was serious about paying attention to you, at least myself. Going to be watching you like a hawk this game so prepare to be incredibly annoyed.
Pretty sure WoS is town, he has a lot of these posts early game and poking at marv early game as scum is a bad idea. If they were scum together this would be shit play because it draws attention to his scum-mate who is very adept at playing scum. If WoS was scum and marv town this would be awful because it puts WoS on marv's radar, not a place WoS would want to be as scum. He has a couple of these posts where he sticks his neck out into the thread in a dumb but not bad way. I just don't see him being scum here. It also lines up with my gut read of him as town. He seems too comfortable to be scum.
moving on to LSB/Iamp
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On February 04 2014 08:25 iamperfection wrote:Way to early to be suggesting mind meld.
This was really good from Imp, as a scum would you brush off a town read on yourself? Unlikely, while Imp very much would do that as town.
On February 04 2014 09:49 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 04 2014 09:40 iamperfection wrote: do you find marv hard to read wave? Considering I 'caught' him very early in the game in Shadow (though I didn't believe myself at the time) I'd say probably not, though at that point I also had never played a game with scum-marv before and there was a lot of other shit going down in thread all game, and marv survived so obviously neither I nor anyone else can really take any credit at all. At the very least I'd feel more confident in my ability to catch him in future games (including this one). I'd probably find rayn my personal 'hardest to read' in this particular game. then i dont get why you would need to watch him like a "hawk". Unless you are just saying things for show.
He goes on about this a lot, he niggles at wave in a way which I like. I believe this comes from a town mindset, he clearly isn't comfortable with something wave has done and is reading it over and over and niggling at it trying to figure out if wave is town or scum. His niggling seems genuine and his attempts to discern wave's alignment are real.
On February 04 2014 10:57 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 10:56 DarthPunk wrote: Like he is consciously saying things he know I fucking rage about. Example one. That meta case when he know I fucking hate meta cases.
Example two. Calling me out for saying artanis did something that holyflare KNEW HE DID BECAUSE HE SAID IT TO HOLYFLARE.
WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK.
how does that make him mafia dear? Your being totally unreasonable.
Also look at this post, so clam so collected so trying to get a reasonable response from his scum read. This is clearly a player trying t discern alignments and not one who knows them already. He cares about being right about DP enough to get down and dirty with him.
He is still obviously town from the reread.
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DP: you asked me to post the things specifically which make marv town. I've collected them here in one easy to consume package.
Conclusion: marv still town.
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So yeah: DP/Me/Marv/Wave/LampSB are town. Game solved.
Argue with me bitches.
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