On February 07 2014 13:13 Balla24 wrote:
Ah yes! Finally.
Ah yes! Finally.
Does what I said make sense to you from a town perspective now?
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On February 07 2014 13:13 Balla24 wrote: Ah yes! Finally. Does what I said make sense to you from a town perspective now? | ||
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On the second point. I did mention him in my post. Part of the reason of me changing my playstyle was because Jonny was tunneling me so hard last game. I think he recognizes that he was tunneling a townie tho and felt a bit bad for it and is more hesitant to call me scum. I would agree with you that Jonny calling me scummy. But not going after me was weird. That does seem off. And the quotes where jonny goes after people he thinks are making excuses. But not going after me. Does seem off. Guess we will see how he continues to play. + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 13:39 Balla24 wrote: Alright, moving on. What do you guys think about JonnyLaw? I'm very weary on him. Show nested quote + On February 07 2014 07:25 JonnyLaw wrote: On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote: @jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion? @suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. I appreciate the effort you put into that post man. It's funny but you're trying to force it into being more distracting than Koshi's post last game. What the fuck? The post he quotes here is completely irrelevant to my probability mafia post. This was literally the first time I was not being trolly in this game. I know the things I was referring to were trolly and joky, but I wanted to start the game at that point, and they were interesting enough initial thoughts to question their motives behind it. Why does he think i'm forcing anything and distracting anything. That was literally the start of the first discussion of the game yet he doesn't even really read it. He even moves into quoting one of my more trolly posts afterwards ("I declare myself king") and calls it funny, even though it was way more distracting than anything else I did. Moving on: Show nested quote + On February 07 2014 07:40 JonnyLaw wrote: On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote: On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote: On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote: @jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion? Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. Overall you had a good game. You had one comment early that tripped my scum radar. I think along the lines of "in newer games people need motivation to post." Then you proceeded to try and take over the town. I felt like you were scum trying to take over the town. Bah, you should have been scum. There were plenty moments where jonny talks about something irrelevant and not helpful to the game with the facade that it is "getting the game started" and "not talking about policy". This post here could have literally happened in post-game and pre-game, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. There is absolutely NO relevance to jay's alignment in this game. In fact, all it does is help jay if he's scum. There's more moments like this, specifically the Aqua stuff. Show nested quote + On February 07 2014 08:33 JonnyLaw wrote: On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote: On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote: On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote: On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote: @jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion? Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote: On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote: @jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion? @suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it. Your first post was obviously pre-written. It's not "icky" but it's not alignment indicative. You'd post the same thing as scum or town. The sections you highlighted in his posts make me feel wary. They're scummy sure. Does that make him scum? On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote: On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote: On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote: Mine is very real. Super real. you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it. Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum". I actually agree with Jay here. I don't give a shit about votes an hour into the game. Here he says that he finds Jay's excuse-making and self-doubt "weary" but doesn't think it makes him scum (or at least that's what I gather from him asking "does that make him scum?" after literally saying "it's scummy sure", which is really weird in itself). This is in direct contrast to what I know of town jonny. The guy LOVES to pick at this stuff. + Show Spoiler [Quotes from jonny town games] + On January 20 2014 11:40 JonnyLaw wrote: Ve's full of shit. He was this active last game. Making excuses for his posting now. ##vote visceral eyes On January 06 2014 15:21 JonnyLaw wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2014 15:13 theDragoon wrote: @Balla24 About the random accusation thing, a bunch of people started ##voting random people. It's my first time playing this so I'm assuming doing that in the thread that early in the game just seems really random to me when there isn't much information to go on. I assume that by ##voting that they are serious with those accusations, so excuse me if doing that randomly in the thread is something that's very common and isn't meant to be taken 100% serious. Also, on Day_Walker he seems to have good intentions.Calling out TheChyz as the only possible scum on the list seems like a bandwagon hop to me but TheChyz has been suspicious so it's something I agree with. His read on me I find is a bit unnecessary and does not really prove that I am a townie. I'm sure everyone playing this game is not afraid to disagree and standing up for yourself is something everyone does. He might just be including me on the list because I've posted a bit but his reasoning behind me as a townie really has no foundation. You're not saying anything with authority. You're hesitant and making excuses throughout that post. What are your opinions so far? I don't care how other people feel about you or if it's your first game. That doesn't matter. On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote: I'll be on tomorrow at a more reasonable time. At this point we have three players who've posted nothing. Fine, we have 30+ hours till day ends. I hate this post and generally everything in Asuna's filter. Show nested quote + On January 06 2014 14:16 Asuna wrote: On January 06 2014 08:38 Balla24 wrote: Thread is dying fast... need backup ASAP. I also am not too fond of Asuna's entry, but there's nothing really scummy about it. I just feel you have opportunities to enlighten me about yourself and your opinions but you are hiding behind one liners for some reason. I'm just concise with my answers. I was asked pretty direct and narrowish questions so I gave pretty direct and narrowish answers. Also keeping track of everything in forum mafia is surprisingly different, so hopefully I didn't miss anything I'm supposed to be replying to from the last couple of pages. Basically I've played a bit of mafia, am probably terrible at reading people, but TheChyz does seem a bit fishy for the reasons Day_Walker said. Might be too early to tell though. Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line. I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point. Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided. + Show Spoiler [PYP: LoL, where Jonny is Mafia] + On December 03 2013 07:24 JonnyLaw wrote: Rean - Votes yorick, claims vt and roleplays liftlift. Could be scum lurking. Austin talks about champ abilities and not wanting town to role claim. I'm not certain role claiming is the best policy either. Maybe I'm missing something but these two are lurking harder than gtrs. Mocsta is making a lot of excuses. Busy, in mylo etc... I generally agree with Roffles and Mocsta about gtrs. + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2013 15:08 Roffles wrote: I think gtrsrs just doesn't give a fuck anymore because he didn't get his champ of choice and is stuck as a vanilla townie. To me it all makes sense cause I know he probably just picked a champ he likes playing in the actual game (Khazix) and seemed cool in terms of skills here (he announced he was doing this too), but wasn't able to grab him and now just starts screwing around cause he's got nothing better to do. MZ wants gtrs lynched and then spends the rest of his posts defending himself. If this is a popular sentiment and he was a proponent of it early why is he getting so much flak? Are mocsta and MZ arguing for some personal reasons? Why did you want me to read these filters. The first two say nothing and the second two are just arguing. Rayn thinks MZ's contradicting himself but the first couple days I thought Rayn posted okay for the most part. I'm more confused about them at this point than anything. tldr Rean and Austin are useless right now because they're doing nothing. Mocsta's making excuses without them being asked. Could be scummy. MZ's spending all his time on defense. This is the opposite of how soniv approached aggression directed his way. That's why I liked soniv for town earlier. Show nested quote + On February 07 2014 09:13 JonnyLaw wrote: Koshi went to sleep. Are you reading this thread Balla? Then this. This is just blatantly not reading the thread. I was asked by jaybrundage to make a "town case" on koshi, so I did so. I even quoted what I was responding to. Yet he tells me I'M not reading the thread. This ticks me off ^_^. | ||
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On February 07 2014 23:18 suki wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2014 21:16 Koshi wrote: On February 07 2014 08:51 jaybrundage wrote: Ok Town I suggest that you read up on Balla and Koshi. Look at there posts and think if it makes more sense that they are town, or if it makes more sense for them to both be scum. I would like to narrow the lynch between these two candidates. Thank you for your time. I wanna leave soon but might wait around a bit to see if anything juicy pops up. This is such fucking bullshit btw. No way a townie says that with what he got. No fucking way. Seconding the motion that this is bullshit. @Jay Tell me your reasons for wanting to narrow the lynch between Balla and Koshi 2 hours into the game? In the heat of the moment I thought I had caught two scum. That's why I wanted to lynch between them. Alot of the post yesterday by me were in a similar vein. | ||
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On February 08 2014 02:05 suki wrote: "Off" there's that word that you jumped on Koshi so hard for at the beginning of the day. Care to rephrase in more solid terms? Not normal. I don't have a good read on jonny. But I look forward to see how he continues to post. I think Lonemeow's absence is concerning. He seemed to be here a good bit more last game. This complete change in style seems like he might be more cautious of posting and I think he could be scum for it. Would love to see some content from him. | ||
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On February 08 2014 02:19 Hopeless1der wrote: okay jay, so most of yesterday was 'heat of the moment'. have you re-read or reconsidered your scumreads? Yea Balla is leaning town for me atm. I still think Koshi could be scum but everyone shitting on my push on him, means that the push wasn't not as good as I thought it was. So I won't be pushing him now and will try to get reads on other people. | ||
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Also in regards to my self consciousnesses I almost got mislynched day 1 last game. Don't you think I would look over my game and be kind of hesitant to just play the same. I was thinking about my actions and for good reason. I don't want to get mislynched again. On February 08 2014 03:29 suki wrote: Jay's play in previous games: + Show Spoiler + Scum in Roulette Mini Mafia On June 04 2013 09:13 jaybrundage wrote: So im down with the whole claim role thing. But if the scum can also get the roles it doesnt really lead us to any lynches. But i guess the point of it would be transparency and all that jazz. I hate playing with people i never played with before I cant rely on previous experiences Also if anyone has not played with me I would suggest reading a previous game or two I play rather..... unorthodox (I occasionally be hardcore lynchbait D:) Kinda all over the place but I always feel like day 1 is just typing shit until someone says something questionable. Then the Rage-arguments take place :D self-consciousness. On June 05 2013 05:55 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2013 02:25 s0Lstice wrote: Stutters, can you answer your own question? You are voting him (Oats) currently so I assume that you have some reason to think he is more likely to be scum than just a townie not particularly giving a shit. My thinking is I have no idea on his alignment just yet. Generally though being totally careless of the threads opinion of you is a townie trait, so he has that going for now. I gotta say I agree with layabout on jaybrundage. His entry into the thread was filled with trepidation On June 04 2013 09:13 jaybrundage wrote: So im down with the whole claim role thing. But if the scum can also get the roles it doesnt really lead us to any lynches. But i guess the point of it would be transparency and all that jazz. I hate playing with people i never played with before I cant rely on previous experiences Also if anyone has not played with me I would suggest reading a previous game or two I play rather..... unorthodox (I occasionally be hardcore lynchbait D Kinda all over the place but I always feel like day 1 is just typing shit until someone says something questionable. Then the Rage-arguments take place :D It looks to me like he is trying to defuse pressure on him before it even happens. 'I can't rely on previous experiences' is a prepackaged excuse to go light on scum hunting. 'I am occasionally lynch bate' is a prepackaged excuse for looking suspicious. It looks extremely self conscious. This point by layabout too is relevent. On June 04 2013 09:29 layabout wrote: On June 04 2013 09:22 VayneAuthority wrote: On June 04 2013 09:19 layabout wrote: On June 04 2013 09:14 jaybrundage wrote: On June 04 2013 08:28 VayneAuthority wrote: + Show Spoiler + im all in on 31, spin the wheel m'boy. I have drank heavily on the past night so I am taking a nap this day. Wake me up when the sun sets. I have been drinking so i will not post for a while + Show Spoiler + *pokes with stick* pointless pressure I'm just trollin' around with the theme, I didn't actually drink today nor yesterday. What is your concern jaybrundage? If you say that you arent going to post, pressuring you for a contribution serves no purpose for a townie Meaningless pressure. It's a way of looking useful without actually being useful (shit-flinging at somebody who isn't going to be around to take umbrage). This is the direction I want to go. He looks the scummiest of anybody so far. ##vote jaybrundage Maybe you missed the post where i said to go look at previous games. I said that im often lynch bait because its true. As town i often get mislynched. I prefer for people to know this and take at look at my play rather then straight up die as town for my play. Me poking someone with a stick is not pressure. The fact that you have that in your case shows how weak it is. Besides the fact that your just piggy backing of someone elses post. The fact that you think a joke post is the scummiest post as of yet just shows your lack of a real case. #Vote S0lstice self-consciousness. On June 05 2013 10:59 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2013 10:57 VayneAuthority wrote: On June 05 2013 10:55 Stutters695 wrote: Well I don't have the time to do detailed analysis of everyone I want to look into right now but let's bounce some suspects. First for me is Fuba. Check out his long post his only suspect has been Vayne and with his answer he takes some time to defend himself and waffles on Vayne. Very noncommittal, doesn't really pressure and has been mia. I haven't played with Fuba in ages but I remember him being much more active. Do you think he's strapped for time and town or a scummer getting by due to the relative inactivity. I am waiting to see more from him but he's definitely on my radar, I am reading the thread just don't have much to contribute right now. These metagames and pointless accusations this early bore me. Well how would you start day 1. I stuggle day one because there is no content to go off of. And the whole purpose is to create content. excuses. Scum in British Empire Mini Mafia II On March 05 2013 19:31 jaybrundage wrote: Meh, don't like that we already have an outed blue already. But whatever, no reason crying over spilled claims. Not sure what I think about the early votes. Its prolly people fooling around OR SCUM TRYING TO GET AN EASY LYNCH o.o Buuuuut prolly za jokes. Show nested quote + On March 05 2013 10:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On March 05 2013 10:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: And the problem with claiming that is what? HoP has no powers, mafia has no increased incentive to hit me that they wouldn't normally have. We can strike setup A off the list of possible setups. You can't throw 3 joke votes down in a game like this. With a scumteam of 2, they can swoop in and force an instant mislynch. In the ensuing chaos it wouldn't be terribly difficult to swing suspicion onto one of the initial voters. However, I don't think any serious townie wouldn't have realized that. At least 1 scum I would imagine has already voted me. ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake You really think scum would hammer a random vote like that? That's recipe for getting owned the next day. Also scum Yamato did this last game. And he got away with it D: Show nested quote + On March 05 2013 16:32 Vivax wrote: It's abut 8:30 AM here and I'm about to move out. I support a jay lynch for the time being until I see something that convinces me otherwise. ##Vote jaybrundage Best mislynch NA YOU KNOW THIS AND STILL VOTE ME QQ joking attitude with mislynch comment. On March 06 2013 11:01 jaybrundage wrote: I saw this coming. People would comment on how i wanted to lynch Dandel but now my votes on thrawn. I wanted to vote dandel because of his complete lack of content in his posts. He (finally) started putting in at least some effort with going for Vivax. Which is a plus. He isn't a townie read my any means. But I completly forgot about thrawn. When you mentioned him I remembered Lamp and his meta case on Thrawn as scum super lurking. That is exactly the case here. Once thrawn found out his role pm he legit stopped posting. He lurked super hard and attributed it to life reasons. Ill be damned if thrawn doesnt come back and give the same excuse. Also if you recall Hapa I was going after DP and then you had a read on him so i backed down eventually I didn't want to do a 180 then because i was worried about how it would look. But if you have a town read on Vivax I respect that and wouldn't want to go against your reads regardless. On March 06 2013 11:25 jaybrundage wrote: I wasn't confident in my reads. I wanted to act like i was to try to put more pressure on them (dandel, vivax) Never have been big on questioning my scum reads tbh. Thats more your forte. My reckoning is if someone is scum they wont give any satisfactory answers anyway. But ill try it out. As for going with the flow. Your right. I prefer to go with people's reads I have a town read on. I have done this to death palmar and even you at points in games. I hate day 1 for a reason. There is no concrete information to go on. Show nested quote + On March 06 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote: @ Jay Could you respond to the two other things I posted? (Going with the flow + Not questioning your scumreads) I'm also a bit skeptical about how "convinced" you've seemed about your reads on Vivax/Dandel at times this game. You've openly admitted to hating Day 1 play, and you seemed very comfortable with these reads, which is pretty contradictory. On March 06 2013 11:01 jaybrundage wrote: I saw this coming. People would comment on how i wanted to lynch Dandel but now my votes on thrawn. I wanted to vote dandel because of his complete lack of content in his posts. He (finally) started putting in at least some effort with going for Vivax. Which is a plus. He isn't a townie read my any means. But I completly forgot about thrawn. When you mentioned him I remembered Lamp and his meta case on Thrawn as scum super lurking. That is exactly the case here. Once thrawn found out his role pm he legit stopped posting. He lurked super hard and attributed it to life reasons. Ill be damned if thrawn doesnt come back and give the same excuse. Also if you recall Hapa I was going after DP and then you had a read on him so i backed down eventually I didn't want to do a 180 then because i was worried about how it would look. But if you have a town read on Vivax I respect that and wouldn't want to go against your reads regardless. I'd rather see you pursue your own ideas rather than acknowledge all of mine as 100% true. self-consciousness. Town in Nomination Mafia On February 08 2013 13:52 jaybrundage wrote: In regards to the bold isnt that what everyone does? In all seriousness there isn't much to say about JX. JX was lurking hard and didn't contribute anything till some pressure was on him and even then he didn't produce much. I was having second thoughts about him per palmars post but no one wanted to lynch prplhz. I dont care if i bring your comments on Oats back to the limelight. If I think something you did was questionable I will call it out. You stated something I didn't agree with so I said as much. And are you fucking kidding me with this consolidation bit. Ofc we have to consolidate as town. If we don't it gives mafia more leeway to swing the vote. Also you your self were asking people to consolidate on JX so how is what you say even make sense. Show nested quote + On February 08 2013 13:29 Mocsta wrote: I have had a re-read of Vers guide, and starting to look for specific things in play. Jay, you are pinging the shit out of my scum-dar. In a nutshell your filter contains - No useful contributions, other than you following a curiosity on RNG (which was never taking off) - You were a proponent of bringing back into the limelight my comments to Oats, when i already gave my 2cents. - You admit to having no contributions to add to town (as your explanation on the lack of posts) - You was the first people to lead the JX lynch; before anything was concrete And to top it off - Your last post reads as if you dont give a shit a townie just flipped. You instantly move on, thinking about scum nominations already. Its like you fucked him in a one night stand and then kicked him out and didnt even call a taxi. Even when prplhz is questioning you; you respond meekly, I believe with the intention to be ignored. It worked. Whilst this occured you were subtly asking everyone to consolidate on JX; but never contributed with serious thought on why he was the best candidate. This reeks to manipulation and scum play. Scummy townies often say things that are so stupid/wrong its easy to think they are trying to mislead as town. Your filter shows no signs of unintentional misleading, rather, when pressuring Jay you are EXTREMELY specific. Thus, for me, I see intentional play to drive your agenda: i.e.push JX as lynch candidate and remain low by making calculated decisions to show interest and responding methodically to blend in. @all Please share your thoughts on the above; do you see JayBrundage play as a bad townie? Also why do you ask if im a bad townie. Why not just ask if people think I'm scum? Notice how he doesn't really defend himself, he just shoots back a question. On February 08 2013 14:35 jaybrundage wrote: I fail to see anything in your response that indicates im scum. The mislynch occurred cause JX was lurking hard till pressure was applied to him. And he didn't respond in a townie way. I once heard a good town player say. That for the day one lynch the only thing you need to do as town is to make sure you aren't the jackass that gets lynched. You usually have to play badly for it to happen. Also yes I prefered JX to die over Palmar wasn't that clear. Your issue with consolidation isn't a real issue. It was the end of the day and I asked people to consolidate. Again, he doesn't excuse his play he re-iterates his reasoning. On February 08 2013 23:46 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2013 23:43 Mocsta wrote: hmm. to be frank i havent made up my mind with you, im trying to read your town games to see why you said your a scummy-town. I just wanted feedback on my points. To give you some quick context. I am the best mislynch na. I used to get lynched about 90 percent of my games, though I have improved a bit cause people were getting used to my meta aka being scummy as fuck as town. I usually lurk hard as scum and get spammy as town. But this game I don't wanna get overly spammy as it makes me look scummy lol. Questions? He is best mislynch NA. But it's not in the joking manner as before. His tone is more serious. Town in Normal Mini Mafia IV On January 30 2013 09:16 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On January 30 2013 09:08 EmileZola wrote: actually yeah why am I still talking about this shit ##vote jaybrundage This is your pressure vote are you fucking srs? Or do you actually think im scum Questions when he's pressure voted rather than defensive or instant counter attack. On January 30 2013 10:24 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On January 30 2013 09:53 EmileZola wrote: which is why I accused jay of not reading the thread. In fact, I consider him scum for the manner in which he switched away from Sharrant. He seemed to switch away from Sharrant when it was apparent Sharrant would gain traction. Distancing is a scum tactic. He prefers JX over Sharrant and never qualifies the preference any more than "JX has done worse". Not good enough. Either qualify it with tangible evidence, or die. What the hell are you talking about. God forbid I have more then one scum read. Sharrant and JX are both scummy. Yes JX voted thrawn early but it doesn't make all his scummy actions irrelevant. Also Iamp also had JX as a scummy read. I have Lamp as a town read and i give his opinion some weight in my decisions. That is primarily why I started rereading filters and such to see if i could see what he said about Sharrant and JX. Note the confident attitude. Town (Fake doctor? XD) in our previous Shadowed Mini Mafia On February 04 2014 12:24 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2014 12:10 suki wrote: I think you don't really care about the answers, you just want to look like you're contributing. How about you answer a few of the questions you posed yourself? Oh I answered all those questions in my Google spreadsheet already. I ll post what I got on you guys so far. Its not all up to date on the recent things that happened. 1. Balla24 Town I like him so far very aggressive and making discussion and seems like a real player in this game 2. Sidesprang Bleh One post so far I knew he would be a candidate for a policy lynch and hes confirming that. 3. Alakaslam Posted 2 things with no content so far 4. cakemanofdoom no content There is quite a bit of things in the game atm and he chooses to comment on suki saying thats nice. Pretty lackluster choice 5. LoneMeow slightly scummy His first post sucked I don't like it at all and might be down to vote him just based on that. He followed up with basic policy stuff. I dont like him so far 6. Jaybrundage The towniest town that ever towned 7. Hopeless1der Meh we argued a bit over nothing hasn't posted any content tho so much is going on in the thread where did he go? 8. Oatsmaster Hasn't posted yet. I think at the start of the game is pretty late for him tho 9. JonnyLaw Pretty waffly at the start. He is posting but he doesn't seem to have firm convictions. He didn't liike Balla early but he has played with baller 3-2 times with him being scum so his suspicion is warrented. He hasn't produced much content tho he just seems like going with the flow 10. Suki scummy I don't like suki so far she just seems like she has no real motivation behind her posting. Her poke at jonnys waffleing was ok but then when balla inquired about it she said she never said she implied hes scum or anything LIke wtf? Why poke at someone but have no real reason behind it. It would seem that she didn't understand him but then she didn't say that she got very defensive. Said she didn't see anything with LM posting slight defending I dont like her atm 11. Koshi Posted some generic lets post alot then disappeared No waffling here, no excuses on 'I can't get reads easy in D1' On February 05 2014 02:15 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 02:10 Alakaslam wrote: On February 04 2014 15:28 jaybrundage wrote: On February 04 2014 15:20 Alakaslam wrote: Last post by Jay Brundage makes sense I'm done fighting this thing, i'll be back when I can charge it or have a PC Please don't post on your phone again if its gonna be this nonsensical. Take the time to correct it on your phone and reread what your typing or just go to a computer I understand this sentiment but I think you actually did understand my posts in a sense. I was UNABLE to edit them. That is what was so bad, I could barely get it to register a tap in the words and had to use talk text. That is why I stopped. Anything that didn't make sense I will try to clarify after I catch up and probably after work. it is still morning. jaybrundage you are rapidly convincing me you are scum. I understood them in the sense that you think im scummy and don't like some of my posts. However why you thought they were scummy is a mystery to me. I would love to hear your thinking. I still adhere to the fact that if you can't see someone's username and see who is posting what. That your reads are going to be terrible. I hope you can read the game knowing who is posting what. Confidence. No heavy defense, no excuses. On February 05 2014 12:13 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 12:03 JonnyLaw wrote: On February 05 2014 11:49 jaybrundage wrote: On February 05 2014 11:23 JonnyLaw wrote: On February 05 2014 11:17 jaybrundage wrote: On February 05 2014 11:10 JonnyLaw wrote: On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote: I'd lynch LoneMeow. That's fine. I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior? I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me. I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats. What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game. We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions. Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town. I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him. Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have. You don't need to sheep Suki. Post your opinion. "I like this part and I don't like this part." You're trying to tell people how to play and what to look for and then you have that post. You flip on Suki and at the same time aren't trying to convince people how to play the game anymore. ##vote Jaybrundage I have no need to defend oats. Oats can do that himself. I liked the case in general. Why should I nitpick when I have no need too. Can I not agree with a case? I liked the case. Its that simple. I agree with the case. I dont see how you don't get it. Yes I changed my read on suki. I'm trying to figure out the game. She made a good case so more likely to be town. More confidence. Jay's play this game: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote: On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote: @jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion? Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. excuses. On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote: Mine is very real. Super real. you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D Immediate counter attack. Something tells me town Jay would be more likely to say "Can you explain why I feel off?" and prod with questions. In other words, his townie confidence is missing. On February 07 2014 08:55 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2014 08:49 suki wrote: ##unvote King Balla ##vote Jaybrundage What the hell are you seriously posting a super-serious-scum-hunt long ass post with quotes and reasoning two hours into the game? Take a CHILL PILL man. Holy shit. Why the hell are you in such a rush to find scum out of the first four people who have entered the thread. This attitude is completely different from last game and I don't mean that in a good way. Suki. Being aggressive does not =! equal scum. I am scum hunting. Why are you voting me. Instead of reading up on my case and seeing if it has merit. You asked me how I was going to change my approach this game. I said it was going to try to do more pressuring and scum hunting. I am doing that. Should I not want to lynch scum this game. Your question doesn't make sense. It is not that they are in the first four people in the game that I have targeted them. I have targeted balla and Koshi because I find them the most likely to be scum. I think Jonny on the other hand is hella townie atm. Self consciousness. Defensive, trying to provide reasons for the way he is playing. On February 07 2014 11:44 jaybrundage wrote: I can't win with this town. If I give advice and try to make well thought out posts. Then I'm giving advice and I'm not scum hunting enough. If I actively try to scum hunt and push things I think are scummy. Then I'm scummy for unknown reasons. Pretty frustrating. This is new. I don't think I've seen frustration in his previous games so I don't have a meta read on what this means. The thing that comes to mind is if he was confident townie he probably wouldn't care that people are calling him scummy and would question them right back in their faces. On February 07 2014 11:52 jaybrundage wrote: Numba 1 Mislynch NA xD Joking tone that's present in his scum games when he mentions he's #1 mislynch. On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote: Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now? There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information. Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. Self-conscious. This sort of thing doesn't show up in his town games. + Show Spoiler + just look at this quote from the previous game: On February 05 2014 11:49 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 05 2014 11:23 JonnyLaw wrote: On February 05 2014 11:17 jaybrundage wrote: On February 05 2014 11:10 JonnyLaw wrote: On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote: I'd lynch LoneMeow. That's fine. I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior? I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me. I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats. What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game. We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions. Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town. I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him. Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have. Notice how his reasons for finding me scummy were weak, however he doesn't say 'Oh yeah my reasons for thinking suki was scummy weren't that great.' he simply states what he thought. Ie. Confidence. On February 07 2014 13:50 jaybrundage wrote: Does what I said make sense to you from a town perspective now? Why does he care that other people think he's town? Again, self-conscious, lack of confidence. On February 08 2014 02:24 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2014 02:19 Hopeless1der wrote: okay jay, so most of yesterday was 'heat of the moment'. have you re-read or reconsidered your scumreads? Yea Balla is leaning town for me atm. I still think Koshi could be scum but everyone shitting on my push on him, means that the push wasn't not as good as I thought it was. So I won't be pushing him now and will try to get reads on other people. excuses. Huh. I think I've just convinced myself Jay is pretty damn scummy. Also I noticed how in the town examples above, Jay has no problem asking people why they think he's scum, or confirming that they their read on him is that he's scum. In this game he'd rather defend himself than confirm someone's scum read or call them out on it. | ||
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On February 08 2014 09:34 Koshi wrote: jayb, my man, who will you be pushing for lynch? Well doesn't look like your on the menu. Sooooooooooooo perhaps start up the barbie and roast some alakaslam tonite | ||
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On February 08 2014 10:22 Balla24 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2014 09:57 Aquanim wrote: @JayB: So far as I can see, Jonny hasn't pushed any reads so far and I don't think he's trying to learn more about other players through his posts. Why do you think Alakaslam is a better lynch than him? To add to this: why does Koshi not "being on the menu" mean you don't want to lynch him? A few reasons. If people who i think are town don't think Koshi is scum then I can be mistaken and instead of tunneling him I should be trying to create other reads. If there is no support for a lynch then going after it relentlessly and tunneling on him is just detrimental to town. | ||
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On February 08 2014 09:57 Aquanim wrote: @JayB: So far as I can see, Jonny hasn't pushed any reads so far and I don't think he's trying to learn more about other players through his posts. Why do you think Alakaslam is a better lynch than him? Your right jonny's lack of thread presence is troubling. I didn't think he was that scummy with his early game posts. But not pushing anyone or having any real reads means he could very well be scum. | ||
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But this isn't how a townie should be thinking. A townie should be going after there scum reads and then if that doesn't pan out go for a scummy lurker or lurker lynch. I had made a case on Koshi and a push on him. If anything Alakaslam would be reading the thread and seeing if I was pushing my scum suspect and scum hunting. However he acts like the one post I mention about policy lynching lurkers means that's solely what I should be doing. ##Unvote ##Vote Alakaslam On February 08 2014 10:16 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote: On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote: On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote: @jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion? Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. Thing about lurker lynches. You can advocate them but if you don't follow through your motives should be questioned... Has Jaybrundage voted for me yet? ... Who is he voting? If anyone has been lurking I have been, he should be pushing me according to this policy. More as I feel the desire to comment on it. | ||
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On February 08 2014 11:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm johnny says he is gonna post a case on balla. I wanna see how that goea but currently I could lynch Hes like really angry. Angry people are scummy people Oats what do you think about who ya wanna lynch I know you been hopping around recently. Do you think alakaslam is lynch worthy? | ||
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I went after Koshi at that point because of what was going on in the thread. I felt that lonemeow was town because of his vote on me, Also cake man was making sense in how he was talking about Koshi. They are two completely different scenarios and aren't comparable. I was also right about both my big pushes Hopeless1der was scum as was the target of my last minute switch Koshi. + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2014 11:58 suki wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2014 09:22 jaybrundage wrote: Suki the reasons your case holds no water is because I stated I would be changing my gameplay. You asked me how I would change and I told you. Less advice more scum hunting. And what did I do I scum hunted. It was new information in the thread and whether you don't like my case or not. I said what I was going to do and did it. Also in regards to my self consciousnesses I almost got mislynched day 1 last game. Don't you think I would look over my game and be kind of hesitant to just play the same. I was thinking about my actions and for good reason. I don't want to get mislynched again. The only scum hunting I see from you is a refusal to let go of a bad tunnel on Koshi and a policy lynch on a lurker. What are your thoughts on Jonny? What are your thoughts on Oats and LoneMeow? Who else do you find scummy? Why aren't you pushing a Koshi lynch because 'he's not on the menu'? As I recall, last game people were mostly on LoneMeow right at the deadline, and a few people hopped off LM and onto you. The vote count was: LoneMeow (4): Koshi, suki, Balla, jay Jay (4): Hopeless, Alakaslam, Jonny, LoneMeow Koshi (1): cakeman And you decided to unvote LoneMeow and start a push on Koshi. At the very last minute. I realize that at the time you didn't know what the vote count was and you didn't realize that voting Koshi would get you lynched. However, the point is that even with Koshi not having many votes on him and mixed sentiments across the board about his alignment, you had no problem switching to your most preferred scum target. This game, there's still about 20 hours to the lynch and you're already like 'nope nothing I can do to convince people Koshi is scum guess I'll just vote slam'. I really want to hear some good analysis because right now all I see are excuses. | ||
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On February 08 2014 12:22 Aquanim wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2014 12:09 Hopeless1der wrote: On February 08 2014 11:47 Aquanim wrote: On February 08 2014 11:44 Hopeless1der wrote: Because he obviously thinks sprang is town. Nowait. Fair enough. OK I'll talk to you then. What do you think of jayB's case above on Alak? How does it reflect on Alak and jayB to you? It certainly makes jayb look better. Scummy working his way back to null for alak due to general lurkiness. You reckon? As cases go, I think his case on Alak is very sketchy. I don't think it's unreasonable for Alak to be pointing out that jayB is not in fact going for a lurker policy lynch, like jayB said he might. It's not like Alak is calling for a jayB lynch based on that one point, he's just pointing it out. Furthermore, it's obvious that Alak was still reading through the thread at that point so jayB's observation that Show nested quote + If anything Alakaslam would be reading the thread and seeing if I was pushing my scum suspect and scum hunting. doesn't convince me at all. Also, I can't help but notice that (IIRC) every case jayB has made so far this game has been on somebody who attacked him first. Not 100% scum-indicative on its own, but certainly enough to raise my eyebrows. I was actually unsure if Alakaslam had read the full thread. But in this quote he says he was going to try some filters. So I would assume he would be caught up to the thread. Or why would he be reading filters with out context? Also the vast majority of people have called me scum in this game so far. So not much of an accomplishment. On February 08 2014 10:03 Alakaslam wrote: I have work folks. Yes I would be unhappy if I was lynched. That being said @suki: you appear to have "gotten better" as has Balla24 but it just doesn't strike me as the best entrance. I may be biased through being tired and a time crunch. I am kind of fighting a pregame bias that Jaybrundage is scum because last game I was CONVINCED he was scum and !what! He was almost made innocent child. Going to try some filters now. | ||
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On February 08 2014 12:27 suki wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2014 12:16 jaybrundage wrote: Suki I gave my reasoning for not going after koshi.I also mentioned jonny before there is no new content from him. I think he could be scum tho. Oats, Lonemeow I think there more likely to be town. I think your a bit scummy. Your early posting with your dismissal of my case just because it was early. You trolling me with things that were simply untrue. You recent posting has been a better. So right now you think Slam, Koshiand me are the most scummy (and in that order) and you'd be willing to lynch any three of us? No one else is looking scummy to you? I have no plans to tunnel Koshi you can do it your self if you want. I think Slam Koshi and you are all scummy yes. I think jonny could be scum and I'm null on sidesprang. But its very possible he could be scum. Process of elimination baby | ||
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On February 08 2014 12:39 suki wrote: How is this pro-town at all? Wow If your gonna do the same shit Hopeless1der did as scum then how about this. DON'T FUCKING PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH ##Unvote ##Vote Suki | ||
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On February 08 2014 13:03 suki wrote: Hmm.. If you are town Jay I deeply apologize. However I think the only thing that will convince me of that is seeing you bleed green. All my points against you aside, when I ask you for a scum read I expect a scum read. Not some flaky excuse that you don't want to do it. I don't see any analysis going on here. Just excuses and OMGUS. Look who's talking. All I have been seeing from you is lying about what i said and tunneling. Your points are terrible. If on the chance your town. Then your just jonny 2.0 I am going to ignore you because you aren't being logical. BUT if you twist my words again. I WILL do my best to get you lynched. | ||
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On February 08 2014 13:11 suki wrote: Anyways I think I'm done here. I feel bad for pushing on Jay this much but honestly I was expecting a different response. I'll be back later. I would like everyone to post their thoughts on JayB because if he gets lynched tomorrow it's going to look very stupid to not have taken a stance on him. Suki I'll make this clear I'm not getting lyncyhed. So move on. | ||
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