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Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful. Then this: On February 26 2014 09:42 Mocsta wrote: I'd like to know exactly how suki is supposed to respond to this:That's the most important thing to respond from my observation? On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote: Sukmi U seem most out of place for me so far Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:16 Mocsta wrote: Thats funny JJD. Suki responded to the points directly afterwards. Anymore cherry picking you want to do? Do you mean this? On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote: So are you saying I'm scummy? | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote: I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy.Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn. Something JJD said reminded me of something: In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options. | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote: Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards. So... in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy. in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie. in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town. Congratz JJD. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case. | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote: No. I'd say that a scum gumshoe likely means moc is town.So do you find it likely that right out of the gate, scum gumshoe drops a townread on his scumbuddy Mocsta? | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ahh okay. I don't know, i don't really get what JJD is saying there, maybe he can explain, it's not really clear to me. Anyways if your interpretation is correct why would he say that as mafia? Like say something irrelevant that makes people think he is avoiding doing scummy stuff? I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it. The suki case was bad. | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:46 TheChyz wrote: I dont understand what you're getting at here. How do you scumhunt if you don't look for scummy things that people say?To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that. Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about. | ||
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On February 26 2014 13:32 gumshoe wrote: Trying to move on. I'm being questioned about it.First day man, we bring up bad cases(which they almost all are at this point) then move on or evolve those cases. The only people who are scared of working through possibilities are scum, because it incriminates them and brings town closer to the truth. Also if you want you can sheep wos's complaints with the Suki's case, otherwise back up your declarations of war. | ||
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On February 26 2014 13:42 gumshoe wrote: I'd say I'm leaning town on him and he's either misguided or trying to pressure me to see my reaction.Jar Jar where do you think Geript's case on you is coming from? Overall what do you think of him. | ||
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On February 26 2014 14:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's totally not what he is saying. I am amazed how anyone who actually reads the post and the rest of the page it was posted in with any thought can think like this. I even expounded on it: On February 26 2014 13:28 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it. The suki case was bad. | ||
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On February 26 2014 14:47 gumshoe wrote: What do you think he's being dense about? Just the thing w/ my quote? ANd how do you know he's not being helpful? Are you reading me as town?Also do you really think Geript is this dense? I feel hes is deliberately being unhelpful and hes getting a pass for it cause geript. | ||
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On February 26 2014 21:48 Holyflare wrote: Yeah that was basically it. I didn't like a gumshoe/mocsta scum team. But I think I'm back to not liking moc again. Gumshoe does seem to be scumhunting and I haven't been really crazy about some of Mocstas more recent posts. In Particular:JJD, this is your only real concluding post so far (apart from your start, I liked your start). What exactly are you trying to say here, you had a read on mocsta but you've completely thrown it away despite him doing what you think is scummy because you then think someone else is doing something that stops mocsta from being scum? On February 26 2014 16:34 Mocsta wrote: Current reads: ..... rayn On February 26 2014 19:27 Mocsta wrote: This 2nd post doesn't read to me like he's talking about a scumread.Gentlemen and 2 ladiesif rayn cannot follow your thought process intimately than YOU MUST be scum. | ||
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On February 26 2014 22:23 Toadesstern wrote: That's not what HF was calling a scumslip. He had some weird reasoning about how that post conflicted w/ an earlier post.wait, how come noone considers this thing HF pointed out worth talking about: Is a scumslip according to HF and I see where he's coming from because it doesn't look like Mocsta is even considering the possibility of JJD being mafia. He just flat out states that he's town without reasoning to "prove" his own towniness. At the very least this is worth some talking | ||
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On February 26 2014 22:34 Mocsta wrote: JJd, since you are here. Thoughts on Chz and Suki pls. (Regarding Suki, i get you think she was carefree at the start, but what about overall) Suki reads very town to me. Chyz does actually read very scummy to me after a reread. Few things I don't like: - Like gumshoe, he called you town early when I don't think you were acting townish @ all. - He sheeped geripts case on me and while I think geript legit misread my post, it kinda felt like chyz was being opportunistic - I agree w/ the notion that someone acting scummy does not automatically make that person a scumread. But the way he worded it On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote: I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy. doesn't sit right. Like "I'm leaning scum" or even "He's null for me" would be a better qualifier for that sentence. | ||
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Look @ how he retracts his read on me: On February 26 2014 14:49 TheChyz wrote: NVM on the JJD case. I'm retarded and kept thinking he was refering to mocsta and not gumshoe. I also don't call him mafia cause 1 scummy thing from a person doesn't mean they are mafia. His retraction here doesn't make sense. Here's my statement in question: On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case. I was refferring to gumshoe about mocsta. Chz thought I was scummy because he thought I was referring to myself about mocsta. Him saying that he "kept thinking [I] was refering to mocsta and not gumshoe" makes no sense whatsoever. He retracted his statement cause of thread sentiment and came up w/ a BS reason. | ||
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On February 27 2014 01:42 geript wrote: I would also like to point out that Toad is probably mafia for not getting himself modkilled. huh? | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote: I actually find his later posting is what makes me feel a little better---the post that turned me onto Vivax specifically. JJD you're around, aren't you? I'm around and I just went back and reread and it does seem like you're right about me seeming to follow thread sentiment. Don't know what to say about that except that I think the cases I brought up were mostly original @ least even if they were on people that were already being suspected. I can only suspect who I suspect. | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote: IDK, I guess it isn't after thinking about it. Scratch that part then. My only defense about following thread sentiment is that it's coincidental. I dont know what else I can say.JJD why is originality of one's case important? | ||
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Chz's last bunch of posts read pretty townie to me. | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Ok even Moc changed his tune here and said he agreed w/ me about sukis post being lighthearted.From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. He claims her post was lighthearted, perhaps I was wrong in saying it was especially crafted, but thier is undeniably an element of 'try' in her initial post, that if not scummy, certainly shouldnt be considered townie. Yet this bilief in her, as I said, is the basis of most of his play so far. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Selective quoting much? I was confronted about my accusations against moc by moc? Here's the full quote:Here when confronted about his accusations against Moc, by Moc, he deflects saying I'm the scummy one. He stays this course for a time. Then as attention dies down on me he goes back to Moc. On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: You call that being confronted? Moc made a mostly joke post. Don't try to imply my read on you was me responding to pressure or something like that.Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. I was asked so I answered. Again you're cherry picking parts of my posts. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Buddying seems like a strange term to use about 2 people you think are scumAlso, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:41 gumshoe wrote: 1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post. On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote: I like her attitude after my callout. I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered. Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted. I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example. There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now. | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote: Then why did you ask me to find the post?gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense. I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything. | ||
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On February 27 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote: So are you still waiting or are you satisfied?The only reason I'm not jumping on this Mocsta train is because I still want him to try and explain his reads. | ||
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On February 27 2014 13:58 Cavalinho wrote: Um, to get an answer. Were you not planning on letting people know about your read on mocsta untill I asked?Yeah, he already gave me a pretty reliable answer for the moment. Why are you asking this question? Like you make these statements and then don't follow up on them. Like you're only trying to find the right thing to say @ the time. For instance: On February 27 2014 13:04 Cavalinho wrote: Have you filter dived yet? Any conclusions you'd like to share?At a glance, this seems like a pretty good case. I'm gonna look through her filter to see what's up. | ||
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First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me.For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained. Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case. I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: He just can't possibly be that confident. | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar.I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: He just can't possibly be that confident. | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:20 gumshoe wrote: Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies. On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote: I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer. | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:57 Aquanim wrote: I think ur missing gumshoe voting for meVotecount Mocsta (2) - geript (1) - TheChyz (1) - Toadesstern (1) - JarJarDrinks (0) - gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow (0) - suki (2) - Vivax (3) - WaveofShadow, Not Voting - Ange777, Cavalinho Vivax is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in . If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know! | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:09 Vivax wrote: I'd say I'm null on you. Maybe leaning slightly town.JarJar what's your take on me? I'm a more likely candidate than gum atm. | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:09 Mocsta wrote: I was wondering whetherh you disappeared or chose to ignore my comment about Thrawn/Shoe. Guess its the latter Sorry, Didn't really see that as a question @ first On February 27 2014 23:16 Mocsta wrote: I think the real question should be whether scum gumshoe has any value to insert me as a town read at that point in time. You could argue he used me as a platform to leap onto Suki, but did this really go anywhere? Well my answer u probably wont like because it involves pre-flip association but here goes: I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread. It also explains his entry into the thead. Like Maybe he sees you jump on her for her posting style and he's all like "Fuck, she's caught already. Lemme go bus a little to try to get something out of this." Like I already pointed out (and you sorta agreed to), your case wasnt very good. And also as you said, nothing seemed to come of it. He threw a vote on her when no one else was voting her and took it off pretty quickly. | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:13 Mocsta wrote: I don't think any of the cases against him are all that strong. The reason I'm leaning town as opposed to null is because him being scum doesn't mesh all that well w/ gumshoe as his scumbuddy.im keen to hear a bit more about this one. | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:40 Holyflare wrote: Well OK. Then he's null for me.i suggest you refrain from any and all pre-flip associations and just vote people on the merit of their scummyness But ya know, I hear people say this shit all the time. I don't know where this idea came from but I think it's dumb to not take every bit of information into account when voting. | ||
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On February 28 2014 01:38 Vivax wrote: I thought I gave my opinion on u.It would be welcome if everyone posted a verdict on me before we're short before deadline. I think the wagon on me still is missing an opinion from Ange7, cavalinho, chyz, JJD, Toad, rayn. Everyone else has already taken a stance on it if I'm not mistaken. | ||
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On February 28 2014 01:49 Vivax wrote: You said null, I think you have enough material in my filter to reach a more definite conclusion. I said null cause people said to remove my association reads. I originally said leaning town. My conclusion is that I dont want to lynch you but I wouldn't write your name in green or anything. | ||
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On February 28 2014 02:28 Vivax wrote: Pre-flip association...blah blah...JJD can you think of any reason not to lynch Mocsta? Also I'm kinda at loss why HF lost the will to lynch him after writing this: But yeah, I may end up w/ my vote on Moc if I can't get people to follow me on gumshoe since I don't think I'm gonna like any of the other wagons. Yeah that holyflare thing is wierd. I hadn't been crazy about his posts earlier and I guess rayn convinced me to not give him too much of a look w/ his whole 100% town speil. I'll look into him some more. | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##vote Gumshoe First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ sukiThat's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me. Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case. I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: He just can't possibly be that confident. On February 27 2014 23:14 JarJarDrinks wrote: And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar. On February 27 2014 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote: More similarities between GSL and this game | ||
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On February 28 2014 03:33 gumshoe wrote: Citation neededAlso I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you. | ||
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On February 28 2014 03:38 gumshoe wrote: Yet you had no problem going back and forth discussing things w/ me yesterday. Is the reason you refuse to discuss this in particular because you've been completely caught in a lie?You are my number one scum read, I see no reason to discuss anything with you. | ||
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On February 28 2014 03:44 gumshoe wrote: What is scums motive for back tracking while no one is willing to lynch Geript? ARE YOU FN KIDDING ME? You based half your case on me for going back on my reads. You even specifically used the work "backtrack" On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: He starts fires where ever he can and hopes they catch. When they dont, he moves on until something sticks, but hes always willing to backtrack. | ||
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On February 28 2014 03:58 JarJarDrinks wrote: Not only that but you've been discussing plenty of shit w/ vivax who you supposedly have as a scum read as well.Yet you had no problem going back and forth discussing things w/ me yesterday. Is the reason you refuse to discuss this in particular because you've been completely caught in a lie? | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:28 gumshoe wrote: He is my number two scum read ( : big gap in between the two, what do you think the titan fall hype? Why are you responding to me right now? Is it because you actually have an answer to this but not an answer as to why you lied earlier or why your "backtrack" read is scum for 1 person but not another? | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:34 gumshoe wrote: because YOU'RE the one seperating your reads. you can't just say "I still think your all scum" and then say "Well I refuse to talk to JJD because I have him as more scummy than vivax"Whats changed? I still think your all scum. You must be pretty desperate to be nitpicking this hard. | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:45 Vivax wrote: There's more than 1 part. Several times he uses terms like "buddy up" and "sheep" which just doesn't work when talking about scumbuddies. Furthermore it's just not true @ all as I proved when I shot down his case here:+ Show Spoiler +Dude, there's one part in your case that doesn't assume JJD and suki are scum together: On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ sukiThat's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me. Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case. And then he didn't even acknowledge that I totally proved his case wrong and again says the same thing. On February 28 2014 03:33 gumshoe wrote: Then when I question him about it, he says he's not gonna talk to me cause I'm his #1 scumread.Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you. | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: suki I'll be back before deadline if i wake up. Please read my gumshoe case | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:51 gumshoe wrote: Backtracked off what? The whole connection between suki and myself is a lie that you manufactured. Here, I'll again post what you keep ignoring Hes been on and off Moc, Me and Chyz and he just back traked on Suki as well. My irrational certainty of Mocsta is based off a games worth of experience with him together as scum, Jar's faith in Suki was based off one post and as the heat mounted onto her he forgoed her as well. Oh and that one piece of my case saying theyre not scum together is exactly why I would prefer to not lynch Suki before him or you. Shes still probally scum, and I'll gladly vote for her, I'm just making preferences clear. On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ sukiThat's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me. | ||
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On February 28 2014 05:12 Vivax wrote: JarJar is there anything in gumshoe's play that suggests to you that you're dealing with scum as opposed to a bad townie? I'm curious cause not everyone posting a bad case on you has to be scum, if you could post some reasons outside of his case on you it would be great (or point me to them). are you reading my cases? He's actively making stuff up. He's not just making a bad case on me. He's twisting things to make his case. He's acting just like he was in GSL where he pretended to be so confident about mattchew. I already posted 2 examples where his play there mirrors his play here: On February 27 2014 23:14 JarJarDrinks wrote: And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar. And that was scumread vs townread. Now it's scumread vs scumread. He obviously can't be as confident against me as he's pretending to be because of how bad the case is. And the 2nd example: On February 27 2014 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote: More similarities between GSL and this game | ||
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On February 28 2014 05:29 gumshoe wrote: And those four posts (the first 3 of which are all basically the same thing) is enough to make you say:All aboard the shitty town read train! On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: ???I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. And you still haven't answered this: Please explain. | ||
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On February 28 2014 05:29 gumshoe wrote: OK you're making up lies again. Please explain how it looked like Suki was gonna get lynched. She had ONE vote on her @ that time I believe.and eventually when it looks kinda like Suki is going to be lynched. | ||
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On February 28 2014 05:43 gumshoe wrote: OK first off I'm pretty sure you're wrong and I was on Chyz first. But even if I wasn't, there was several other people on him. Why would you say I sheeped her specifically? And how does that 1 incident equate to "Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you.".Suki poked away at Chyz before you, Moc and me were pretty much her scum reads. You accusations line up perfectly with hers, or are rooted in the bilief shes town. And again, don't just say stuff. Please post examples. Because I think ur wrong that she was on chyz first. | ||
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On February 28 2014 05:46 gumshoe wrote: Also as scum it's your job to spot trends and run ahead of them, of course you would choose to flip flop on Suki before she becomes public enemy number one. And again you're misrepresenting things. You're making it look like all of a sudden suki became a top scumread of mine. All I said was I was starting to suspect she was your scumbuddy. It's like I'm pushing for her to be lynched. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:11 gumshoe wrote: I don't have many reads? Well I guess you think I'm town then:You dont have many reads Jar, so when you back up on one and call it scummy On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: I thought I was scummy because I had too many reads?I know Jar Jar to be a tunneller as town, he sticks to his reads, but this game hes bounced everywhere and several influential players have given him a pass on it. He starts fires where ever he can and hopes they catch. When they dont, he moves on until something sticks, but hes always willing to backtrack. In bluez light mafia, he bounced back between Oats , TOFU, TAA gemorpit, Vivax, jkirby, Corazon, tangeng, in efforts to get any one of them lynched, and I'm seeing the makings of that same capriciousness in this game. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Well I didn't think he was scum before the claim so not much to add about my own read. I will say that I don't get how anyone that thought he was scum before would drop their read simply because he claimed blue.LET'S GO PEOPLE, I WANT INPUT ON VIVAX> | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Do you think it was necessary for him to claim blue when he did? Why did you think he was town, JJD? Assumming he is blue I think the timing was ok. It does seem like he does have a good chance of being lynched and making the claim well before the deadline helps make sure we aren't scrambling last minute. I've said all game that he's null for me, slightly leaning town because of associations. I just haven't thougt the stuff he's been accussed of is scummy like people were making it out to be. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:34 Vivax wrote: I still feel like gumshoe scumslipped that moc was townVote mocsta bitches. If scum wanted to push a lynch on mocsta they'd be doing that and not leaving him untouched all this fucking time. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:43 Ange777 wrote: Can you explain where gumshoe supposedly scumslipped? On February 27 2014 09:50 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK. This really seems like a scumslip and then Phony confidence to cover it up. | ||
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##Vote Mocsta Prob have to go in a few but will be on before the deadline. Not crazy about it but better than a suki lynch methinks. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:54 WaveofShadow wrote: He's telling the truth. Vig is the worst role to fakeclaim cause if there's a real vig he gets shot @ night.again if he's telling the truth. | ||
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On February 28 2014 08:27 Cavalinho wrote: can we lynch this guy?Fair enough. I'm still not entirely sure why rayn and HolyFlare think suki is scummy. The only reason I'm this indecisive is that if my strongest townreads are jumping to take her out, then there might be something to it. I don't see it, and the only people I really want to vote for have almost no votes on them. I think JJD's filter shows that he's trying to contribute, but he's only arguing around in a circle with everyone else. I think I'm going to have to trust my townreads on this one. ##Vote suki | ||
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On February 28 2014 08:44 suki wrote: Yeah. Bandwagon formed way too quick for suki to be scum.Ok what the hell guys, why is there suddenly a bandwagon on me? | ||
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On February 28 2014 16:55 Mocsta wrote: So I'm really conflicted on JJD. On one hand I find this relatively townie in a CB type of way. Note the votecount just before this post + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2014 23:57 Aquanim wrote: Votecount Mocsta (2) - geript (1) - TheChyz (1) - Toadesstern (1) - JarJarDrinks (0) - gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow (0) - suki (2) - Vivax (3) - WaveofShadow, Not Voting - Ange777, Cavalinho Vivax was under pressure at the time, not Suki. Given the back/forth between JJD/GS at the time, this comment seemed contextually natural. FYI that votecount was wrong and gumshoe was on me not suki. | ||
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On February 28 2014 08:52 TheChyz wrote: No I don't. The moment he sayed it he already sounded arrogant as if he was untouchable (which he probably is). He is also willing to shoot anybody who argues with him and pisses him off is really stupid imo. Would rather mislynch even if he is vig than mislynch some townie and have him shoot a townie because of him ego. On February 28 2014 08:56 TheChyz wrote: I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke I think these posts make chyz look pretty bad. He's telling us how he wants to lynch suki. Yet he's basically convincing Cav to switch off her. And more importantly, HE NEVER VOTES. He's basically a no-vote even though he's around @ the deadline. Like he says "Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will" And he even quotes it himself. But then when Cav switched to tie the vote he didn't do what he said he'd do. He left the door wide open for moc to get lynched because me and vivax were trying to orchestrate a switch for the town. Like you would think he'd see people trying to move votes off suk and then he'd do what he said he'd do. On February 28 2014 09:00 Aquanim wrote: Final Votecount Mocsta (5) - geript (1) - TheChyz (1) - Toadesstern (1) - JarJarDrinks (0) - gumshoe (0) - WaveofShadow (0) - suki (5) - Vivax (1) - And the clincher is he tries to take credit for the lynch. What does he mean by he's glad he didn't cave? Cave to what. He never implied that he wanted to lynch mocsta. On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote: Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave | ||
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Yes he voted for her but what choice did he have after vivax claims? He couldn't vote for moc after he had been pushing me, vivax and suki forever not to mention the fact that he was screaming to high heavens that Moc was town. In fact the only other choice he had was to say that he didn't believe vivaxs' claim which he tried super hard to do untill it was clear that the town wasn't having it. | ||
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On February 28 2014 11:59 gumshoe wrote: At the very least, I think I've earned the right to see Jar Jar die before me and even if I am scum, the sooner he flips the sooner you can kill me for my retarded red play ( : On February 21 2014 12:23 gumshoe wrote: Im pretty much betting everything on this Matt lynch, if it fails, I am almost entirely to blame and I expect my head to roll shortly after his. | ||
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On March 01 2014 00:26 gumshoe wrote: Yep, see my previous post.If Jar isnt actually scum though, please kill me, I'll deserve to die at that point | ||
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Like, I think it's pretty obvious that if the 2 wagons yesterday ended up being vivax and suki, he would have voted vivax. | ||
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On March 01 2014 01:09 gumshoe wrote: Except you. You absolutely could not have saved suki because you had to vote your scumread and sure as heck couldn't vote for Moc. Yes, we should be assuming that. Any one of the five people could have saved thier gf and didnt. like Ang called moc and suki both scummy earlier so it wouldn't have been that suspicious. And no one else had a super town read on moc like you claimed to have. So when you say "Any one of the five people could have saved thier gf and didnt" what you mean is "Any one of the five people except me could have saved thier gf and didnt" | ||
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On March 01 2014 01:31 Vivax wrote: Chyz. Case here:+ Show Spoiler +JJD who is your second scumread atm? On March 01 2014 00:01 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think these posts make chyz look pretty bad. He's telling us how he wants to lynch suki. Yet he's basically convincing Cav to switch off her. And more importantly, HE NEVER VOTES. He's basically a no-vote even though he's around @ the deadline. Like he says "Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will" And he even quotes it himself. But then when Cav switched to tie the vote he didn't do what he said he'd do. He left the door wide open for moc to get lynched because me and vivax were trying to orchestrate a switch for the town. Like you would think he'd see people trying to move votes off suk and then he'd do what he said he'd do. And the clincher is he tries to take credit for the lynch. What does he mean by he's glad he didn't cave? Cave to what. He never implied that he wanted to lynch mocsta. | ||
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On March 01 2014 01:38 Vivax wrote: IDK, he was afraid how it'd make him look? These are good points. But I just don't get why he doesn't cast a vote. Like, there's no town reason for it.And why didn't he save suki in your opinion? He was the guy who had the ultimate decision and he refused to give in to cavalinho. What about suki calling him scummy after her case on moc? | ||
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On March 01 2014 07:43 Cavalinho wrote: I highly doubt a shot will go off. Gumshoe basically told us they were gonna RB vivax tonight.I still think JJD is a good kill. I said it yesterday, and I stand by it now. | ||
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On March 01 2014 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: I like just answered this 2 posts agoJJD who is the other scum? On March 01 2014 01:35 JarJarDrinks wrote: Chyz. Case here:+ Show Spoiler + On March 01 2014 00:01 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think these posts make chyz look pretty bad. He's telling us how he wants to lynch suki. Yet he's basically convincing Cav to switch off her. And more importantly, HE NEVER VOTES. He's basically a no-vote even though he's around @ the deadline. Like he says "Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will" And he even quotes it himself. But then when Cav switched to tie the vote he didn't do what he said he'd do. He left the door wide open for moc to get lynched because me and vivax were trying to orchestrate a switch for the town. Like you would think he'd see people trying to move votes off suk and then he'd do what he said he'd do. And the clincher is he tries to take credit for the lynch. What does he mean by he's glad he didn't cave? Cave to what. He never implied that he wanted to lynch mocsta. | ||
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On March 01 2014 08:49 WaveofShadow wrote: well yeah. assuming they have a RBerThis is stupid and you know that. A shot will not go off because either vivax is scum or because he is town and it is the right and obvious play for scum to make. | ||
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OK, I highly doubt I'll be able to keep myself from being lynched today (assumming i didnt actually get shot instead). The fact that it's a weekend and I can't be as active as geript pointed out wont help my case any but I'll still try to post as much as can. The only thing I ask is that if I am indeed mislynched, read my cases against gumshoe and reread his filter. Don't let him WIFOM you all by thinking he'd never call me "100% scum" over and over if he was scum. That's excatly his scum MO from GSL. Especially the part where he says he should be lynched himself if I flip town. Just reread him again after my flip, especially everything leading up to sukis lynch and tell me that's not mafia that knows suki is about to flip red and is trying to set me up. | ||
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I don't blame anyone for lynching me. Gumshoe set me up pretty good. Just Lynch him after I flip please. I already pointed it out but of all the people on suki that could have been bussing, the only one that had absolutely no way to save her was gumshoe. I don't know what I else I can say. I wont be pushing anyone elses lynch. I think the worst thing that could happen is a different townie gets lynched today and then we waste tomorrow on me. I'm the the only person besides gumshoe that should be lynched today. We have free mislynches. Don't waste em. | ||
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And I think the fact that vivax wasn't RB'd should look pretty good for me. Like seriously think about about it. Toad and I are both scum, pretty much everyone is advocating shooting one of us. Yet we just let the vig take his shot even though we have a roleblocker? Like why? Just for the wifom? | ||
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On March 01 2014 23:49 Holyflare wrote: i really don't think it matters, we just lynch through the people not on suki and win x_x If u people get endgamed by gumshoe I'm gonna be seriously pissed | ||
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On March 02 2014 00:07 geript wrote: No, I want to be lynched today if gumshoe isn't. The worst thing that can happen today is a townie that isn't me gets lynched because tomorrow would be wasted. Lynching me is the 2nd best result after lynching scum.@JJD I want you to tell me the top 3 people who are likely to be scum and why. Like, no on liner reasons. I want to see some actual research as to who you think should be the next 3 people lynched and who's the best lynch and why. | ||
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On March 02 2014 00:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Just please promise me you lynch him @ some point. Do not let him win this game after everything I've posted about him.You DO know we're not lynching gumshoe next though, right? So if not him, who? | ||
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On March 02 2014 00:40 Vivax wrote: Talk about who to vote after my flip or talk about me me being 100% town? JarJar where does gumshoe talk about that? If its the former it's on the previous page. If the latter I'll find it in a min. | ||
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On February 28 2014 16:37 gumshoe wrote: This, thats why I personally feel the game is so won right now, if scum had the power to get Mocsta lynched, no matter the fall out, that was the move they should have made. The only reason they didnt? They couldn't. 2 of the 4 on Moc are scum almost guaranteed, Vivax will reveal himself tonight, Cava's probs town, Jar is 100 percent scum, and if vax is actually vig we just lynch toad instead of him. On February 28 2014 16:39 gumshoe wrote: Game is solved, cant fault him for not finding anything when theres too little to be found. On March 01 2014 00:26 gumshoe wrote: If Jar isnt actually scum though, please kill me, I'll deserve to die at that point That last one is like exactly what he said last game about mattchew. | ||
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On March 01 2014 00:21 gumshoe wrote: Oh really Vet?Oh and hes been absent since lynch as others have pointed out 0_o seriously guys, if Vax shoots me tonight Jar Jar better be bloody dead by night 3. | ||
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On March 02 2014 05:19 gumshoe wrote: Pretty sure U'r the one who has us locked in a death match. I don't think I've ever called you 100% scum. But how else am I supposed to read you when you act like your completely sure that I scum? I just read your confidence exactly how it was in GSL.hes locked us into a death match and is not even considering that I'm town. | ||
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On March 02 2014 03:34 JarJarDrinks wrote: I made this exact case fwiw To summarize: Chyz tells us in this next post that he will lynch suki. But in the next 2 posts he basically bullies Cav into switching his vote off her and on to Moc. That and the fact that he didnt vote means he seemed to be lying about wanting to get suki lynched. On February 28 2014 08:44 TheChyz wrote: Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will On February 28 2014 08:56 TheChyz wrote: I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke | ||
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On March 02 2014 05:58 Vivax wrote: Conclusion after reading the stuff happening at deadline is that Cava and Chyz look equally bad. Chyz for saying suki is a candidate for his vote, but not Moc and then doing jack to get that opinion through when the suki lynch was at danger.i Cava for voting her while hard-defending her at the same time, cause his townreads voted her. JarJar didn't do anything to influence what was happening at that point, but I'm not even sure if he was around at deadline. But he had a pretty strong townread on her and a scumread on Moc. JJD have you been around @ deadline? Anyway we lynch these three and we hit scum, no question. Basically what HF has been saying all the time, but I wouldn't be Vivax if I hadn't been trying to question even that. Please replace Cav w/ gumshoe. Dont let gumshoe solo win this game. | ||
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On March 02 2014 06:13 Vivax wrote: Man you just posted points on Chyz that would make me lynch him in the blink of an eye and now you still say gumshoe is scum. Wtf??? Just want to make sure gumshoe is on ur list if Chyz flips town and u lynch me. | ||
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On March 02 2014 07:53 TheChyz wrote: That's like, the whole point. If I was scum then I had an easy chance to take an out. With votes on moc and suki as the majority I was given an out where I could have voted on moc instead of suki. Note this was just 15 minutes before the deadline. Do you guys really think that the person you have been calling noob all game would be able to bus onto their gf and hope to ride the game till the late game when I could have easily made some reason to lynch moc instead. No. I don't care if you think I'm scum because of things I did before since I have played pretty shit but the argument on me for the last few minutes before the lynch is complete and utter garbage. There was 15 minutes left in the day. Suki had SIX people voting for her and Moc had THREE. @ that point of course ur gonna be all like "Yo suki is scum, I'd totes lynch her" But then when votes started switching and they were TIED in votes, you didn't try to make sure she got lynched like u said u would. | ||
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On March 02 2014 08:46 gumshoe wrote: Why did you claim?I mean Jar, I need you to acknowledge that I just demolished your fake vt argument. I had clear reasons for everything I did N1, and I'm glad you gave me the chance to air them ( : | ||
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On March 02 2014 08:43 gumshoe wrote: Oh I missed this XD easy question to answer. Say Vivax does shoot me, then we get no mishots and we have too confirmed townies, I was just trying to bait his shot. I was also trying to imply that I was blue via my confidence that Vivax's shot wouldnt go off, in hopes scum would shoot me minus an rb. To be honest, I really doubted VIvax's claim ) : I was vet, I thought there was a cop cause of the god father and 3 blues(one bieng vig, another dt) seems really op for 10/3. Basically getting shot was win win, just so long as I wasnt role blocked, which is why I couldnt just come out and say I was vet. With Vivax's shot gone, the rber dead, and scum basically trying to use me as thier endgame mislynch, there was no reason not to claim. So I did, because unless theres a reason not to I am always as transparent as possible when town. On March 02 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote: Because there was no reason not to. Rb is dead, I know for a fact scum wont shoot me because they NEED me to get mislynched. If I can afford to be transparent I always will be. you're contridicting yourself | ||
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On March 03 2014 00:06 gumshoe wrote: What do you mean NOW they wont shoot you? Why would they have shot you last light but not tonight?NOW they won't shoot me, I was trying to crumb blue night one by implying I knew Vivax wasn't vig( via knowledge of my own role) at the same time I wouldn't mind getting shot by Vivax cause double confirmed. That's why I didn't claim night 1. but because rayn was shot, it implies they're trying to make me look bad and need me to get a mislynch, and vigs shot is gone so my bullet ain't coming from there either. I would not reveal my role if I was not confident that it would have more use as a claim then as a power. like how rayn revealed parity cop d1 in a game we recently played because the likelihood of it getting as much value as the claim itself was minimal.Oh and your nitpicking shit that doesn't matter again cause "look guys, an inconsistency this guy has to be scum!" | ||
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On March 03 2014 00:59 gumshoe wrote: Also Vivax might have shot me, but now thats out of the question to, the role is worthless, the claim is not. If you believe that vivax might have shot you then don't you think he would have been roleblocked if I was scum? Cause if you get shot, I'm obviously the next lynch. I still haven't seen one good reason why they let the vig shoot that could possibly mean I'm scum. | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:05 Cavalinho wrote: I think both of us are town and JJD is just trying to push us to lynch each other. How the F am I trying to push anyone to lynch you. I haven't called you scum @ all. I even told vivax to remove you off his lynch list. | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:19 gumshoe wrote: What 0_o What does my alignment have to do with yours? Jar Jar, we could both be town, it's possible, I strongly believe your scum, but I've been wrong before (see basterd mafia.). The fact that you honestly bilieve that one of us HAS to be scum is revealing. Besides, you were likely to get lynched today anyways XD you dont need my flip for that. Also, are you actually fighting my honest motivation with your hypothetical scum one? I thought you were desperate before but this takes the cake. As for the vig shot, it's simple, when your in a bad spot, you have to take a risk to win, scum NEEDED that shot to hit a townie, it didn't, end of story. WHAT!???? where am I implying that one of us has to be scum? You're the one who called me "100% scum" You're the one who said "If JJD flips green, lynch me next" /paraphrasing You're the one who refused to talk to me because you don't talk to scum" Please explain how I went from 100% scum where you say to lynch you if you're wrong to "I strongly believe your scum, but I've been wrong before " | ||
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Just everyone voting me promise to to reread gumshoe after my flip. ANd listen to rayn: On February 28 2014 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe is scary. Like really scary and i would keep an eye on him. He's like scum kushm4sta way of right. It's like he is too right in calling JJD and suki scum together. I read pages 74-76 and my impression of gumshoe is "what the fucking hell, is this post-flip already??". Really, if you don't believe me read it. Either he is playing a towngame of his life and is just really right or he is too right and scum. Anyways would not lynch but instead listen to unless something really strange happens. Especially the part where rayn notes that gumshoe is already setting me up as sukis scumbuddy before the flip. | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:32 gumshoe wrote: This guy knows exactly what I'm gonna flip and is setting up the next mislynch. Reread posts like this after u all know my alignment.The reason I've been wavering is because cav looks pretty bad as well, toads dt read on him could have only been a green read, because a red read doesnt help him win the game. Its possible your town and hes scum, but I still think your my man XD | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:34 gumshoe wrote: YOU MADE A WHOLE CASE AGAINST ME BASED ON THE FACT THAT I KEPT CHANGING MY READS AND ADAPTING!!You see, town feel fine changing their reads and adapting, because they are interested in winning the game, not looking townie. It's scum who cant back down, which is why you held onto your Chyz read even though at that point it made no sense. | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:35 gumshoe wrote: WHY WOULD I SHOOT RAYN THEN. Good god Jar Jar T_T if your town your so bad at this game. Huh? Why would you shoot someone who is getting suspicious of you and is capable of leading the town against you? Is this a real fucking question? | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:44 gumshoe wrote: Rayn wasn't Fn scum cmon. And really it frames you? How's that working out? How many votes do you have? Because that fucking frames me, you leave the people who are accusing you alive to imply their scum. You yourself said my death would make you look bad T_T Rayn wasn't screaming to high heavens that you were scum. He was just starting to suspect you. | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:43 gumshoe wrote: Whaaa....? What about Moc? And Me? And Suki? I dont think my reads are infalible Did you forget your persona this game and think you were town for a second? | ||
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But I just realized, unless my math is off. We get 4 lynches not 3. So I don't really care much cause no way gumshoe makes it to endgame. | ||
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On March 03 2014 02:59 Holyflare wrote: OK, but if alll 3 flip green, please kill gumshoe. I don't care if he gets the ironman award and last to the final 3. Just don't let him win.somehow quoted the wrong post jjd, cav or chyz i don't really care what order because the game will end at one of those points most likely anyway | ||
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On March 03 2014 03:08 Vivax wrote: Well I doubt u'll be alive then since it'll be 2/1. Hopefully whoever the 3rd player left is actually reads the thread.If all three flip green we lynch geript | ||
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On March 03 2014 03:41 TheChyz wrote: The vote ended up TIED. cutting it a little close no?I should have in hindsight. Just wanted to keep on geript in spite of him. I was around the whole deadline, so if anybody last minute switched I could have cast my vote then. | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:44 TheChyz wrote: You still havent given a reason why you think he was a suspect, you just keep saying he is. I'm a 3 meters tall, but I will never show you a photo. Does that make sense to you? Cause that is what your argument is sounding like. My very first post in the game: On February 26 2014 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]" Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful. Then this:I'd like to know exactly how suki is supposed to respond to this: And there was more. read my filter. My turn: Why didnt you vote for suki? | ||
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