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I have to catch up and then I'll tell you all why I think we should be mayor. ~Cav | ||
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On April 02 2014 11:13 Tehpoofter wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 10:56 getmoript wrote: On April 02 2014 10:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 10:31 getmoript wrote: I'll talk more about slam later but I'm reevaluating that whole group. His kill me post was really town Slam IMO and you got your read on him from me. I don't like your gumshoe case. I don't hate it but I don't like it. I'll filter both after work. Of course you donät like it because you are prolly mafia. ~rayn God Rayn you are like super fucking infuriating when you don't listen to me. Like I don't really care what your alignment is right now but I'm not going to listen to your scum reads anymore. Like you half bother explaining them and then you always ignore me just like you did on Toad. The sad thing is I'm pretty sure Palmer's going to phone it in and the you and HF are going to drive town into the dirt. Like I'm not sure that you're scum but regardless of your alignment what you're doing is a real dick move and I don't appreciate it. What about his scum reads don't you like? I thought you agreed with his Slam read? Do you not like his gumshoe read? If so why? If you're town telling rayn how pissed you are at him doesn't do much good attack his case if you disagree otherwise this post just looks fluffy to me. Look you know how good I can be. Just keep an open mind for when I get to the computer tonight. | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:16 Tehpoofter wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 05:15 LSB wrote: On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote: On April 02 2014 05:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 05:03 getmoript wrote: On April 02 2014 04:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote: On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote: so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure. dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch. Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum? I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective. ~rayn So explain why I'm right and help push for me as mayor or die. I just made a post about it. Or asked other people about it. You lynch the groups where you know mafia is and make the order based on reads after ~40 hours or so. If there are similar groups / a lot of unsureness you first pick the groups where there are players who are most likely not paying attention later on in the game (for example kush is never going to reread the thread, ever). But who gets to be the mayor does not matter. If you can explain to me why does it matter go ahead. ~rayn No I don't like your reasoning. I'm not saying you're wrong on what you've said (skimmed), but the stance: On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote: so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically. No. The point is this. The order is decided by the town. The mayor is nothing but a figurehead who submits the order decided by the town to Artanis. If the order differs we policy lynch the mayor. In this case it doesn't even matter who the mayor is. Heck it might even be the top scumread + Show Spoiler + Actually that's a risky idea, but can work in specific situations. For example if the top scumread is in a group with someone we'd liked to get confirmd I like the bolded section because its how I feel about mayor. They should be someone who is knowledgeable about the players and basically just gives the info to the mod at the end of the day and I don't feel getting voted mayor is alignment indicative unless you go against town's wishes then that would be alignment indicative. I like LSB for this post and I said earlier his post showing the activity levels although that might just be because I don't know a lot of players here so it gives me a decent idea of what to expect. My only problem is that I do think those two posts I linked of slam seem town but rayn seems certain I'd really like to here input on this from some other people like geript/gum/prplz as to what they read off slam. For me though I'm reading Balla's cell as Balla most town then LSB then Slam in descending towniness. I disagree. A third of the players in this game are scum. No matter how hard you try to look at the town's input, at the end of the day, a third of the people will be lying and you might/might not have any idea who they are. The best option is to have someone that everyone can trust a decent amount and giving them the power of mayor, and then having them make the decision on their own. This does not mean that the town has no input. The town is free to say and vote for whoever they want, but eventually someone has to make the call. It would be best if everyone gave their own preferred orders because that information can and should be used against the mafia. We have an awesome tool here that we may actually be able to use if we can put the pieces together, but only if you give someone that power that actually gives a shit about what they do with it. I think that that person(s) is the Cavborg. Vote for getmoript. | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:27 Balla24 wrote: Cav, nobody really cares that much about mayor except your hydra apparently. Any thoughts on who is scum? I care about mayor as well. It's a position of power that can be put to use if we care about connecting the dots later down the line. It's a tool and it should be utilized as such. Our own cell has an inactive but prp has said stuff and I frankly don't like any of it. I think he's scummy because he keeps trying to pounce on people that are rousing poor thread sentiment rather than trying to find mafia. Rayn likes him and I think that that's derp, but Steveling has done nothing so far so I'm concerned about making accurate reads into that cell until he says stuff. Your cell is between LSB and Slam, but I'm going to trust geript's read on it and say that it's probably Slam. (Though LSB saying stuff about policy lynching the mayor is derp because the mayor is most likely going to be town and that's a free win for scum in that cell. It took me a while to realize but there you go.) I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw). I'm clueless about Cell 3. ~Cav | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:45 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 12:37 getmoript wrote: On April 02 2014 12:27 Balla24 wrote: Cav, nobody really cares that much about mayor except your hydra apparently. Any thoughts on who is scum? I care about mayor as well. It's a position of power that can be put to use if we care about connecting the dots later down the line. It's a tool and it should be utilized as such. Our own cell has an inactive but prp has said stuff and I frankly don't like any of it. I think he's scummy because he keeps trying to pounce on people that are rousing poor thread sentiment rather than trying to find mafia. Rayn likes him and I think that that's derp, but Steveling has done nothing so far so I'm concerned about making accurate reads into that cell until he says stuff. Your cell is between LSB and Slam, but I'm going to trust geript's read on it and say that it's probably Slam. (Though LSB saying stuff about policy lynching the mayor is derp because the mayor is most likely going to be town and that's a free win for scum in that cell. It took me a while to realize but there you go.) I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw). I'm clueless about Cell 3. ~Cav WHY WHY AM I SCUM. Tonight I sleep. I am getting up at 3 now which is pushing it. I have absolutely no idea. G scumreads people for weird shit but he nailed Toad on Day 1 back in Cultured so easily that it makes me want to sheep him on it. If you want an explanation, you talk to him. ~Cav | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:50 Alakaslam wrote: OH LSB you are the other dude?!?! Crap Well so much for my reads. I townread you both. Crap. On April 02 2014 09:33 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 06:42 getmoript wrote: On April 02 2014 06:36 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 06:33 getmoript wrote: On April 02 2014 06:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: How about you tell me why do you want to lynch townies to prove their reads good instead of lynching scum which results to the same, geript? ~rayn Me wanting to lynch HF is 100% not alignment indicative and you know that. We both know he can bus hard as scum and we both know his town game is decent. Me wanting to lynch him is more me wanting to lynch him. Like, obviously if I have a scumread on one of the other two, then I'm going to lynch my scumread. That's not going to make me want to policy lynch HF anyless. More than policy lynching him though, I 100% don't like him living past day 1; he's fully capable of pied pipering the town into stupidity as scum and one that I don't trust allowing him to live. As for policy lynching palmar, it's something that I think is useful but that really depends on where the game is at when he comes up for lynch. Like if we're up 2-0 and I don't have a good read on any of those 3, then I want to lynch Palmer because we get to know that his opinions are trustworthy for the last 2 lynches. If it's 1-1, then it's a good bit tougher. Obviously if it's 0-2 then you go to lynch scum. It's something I've been thinking of since he joined but knew would depend on who's in his group and what the situation would be and (of course my alignment). It's by no means a flat out, LYNCH PALMER WITH FIRE TO GET INFORMATION UNDER EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE POLICY LYNCH. It's a strategy to maximize information but clearly situation dependent on where/when his group comes up and where we're sitting int he game. ~g No you just said you want to policy lynch them. You can't policy lynch them and lynch someone else. So you agree your first post was literally full of shit? This one: + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2014 05:02 getmoript wrote: So I've skimmed so far. Cell 1 Raynpelikonoshi--Very tempted to lynch because I can't read Koshi and I don't think Rayn has called me super town yet Gumshoe--solid player with alright reads generally but pretty obvious as scum Steveling--??? Cell 2 Holyflare-scum Tehpoofter--very good player, still adjusting to forum, low volume poster mderg--????? Cell 3 Palmar--strong player Sentinel--I don't really remember him much Coagulation--Policy lynch option, both lurkers Cell 4 Balla24--meh LSB--meh Alakaslam--likely scum Cell 5 Getmoript--clearly town, great at endgame, super stronk townie prplhz--decent player, generally low volume, scummy first post Cephiro--solid playler Rayn I'm having a hard time reading Koshi... Why wouldn't he push himself for mayor on D1/0 whatever it is today? Like Cell 2 is obviously the best first lynch. HF busses as scum and has ok reads as town. I'd love to policy lynch him and under no circumstances should he ever be allowed to mid-late game. Cell 3 should be the third lynch 100%. Palmar is someone who, for lack of a better lynch, we can lynch and then sheep his reads; I'm tempted to move this up to slot 2 because Palmer tends to get worse as time goes on. Cell 4 should probably be the second lynch though because they're mostly unreadable and I want to lynch Alakaslam so that makes that pretty easy. Cell 1 is clearly next because me and rayn usually click on things and in case town hasn't won by then me and Rayn should easily be able to finish it off or I'll hammer Rayn to win the game for town. 2->4->3->1->5 is clearly the best pattern and me/Cav should 100% be the mayor. Like it's obvious, I refuse to let anyone else be the mayor and will policy lynch anyone who goes against me as mayor. ~rayn No it wasn't. Me and Cav are clearly town here. You should obviously be reading me for town here. Like you say it's full of shit and completely ignore the fact that I want to lynch Alakaslam with fire; I'm nailed him every time and he's 100% the lynch from that group. Like you don't even get why I want to lynch prplhz. I don't even get why you're trying to bury me here. I cannot see you not supporting me here as town. Hmm. Raynpelikoshi, I am willing to be day1 lynch to prove dis wrong but I would rather not. Between Balla and LSB, who is more likely to be scum and why? You two (Balla, LSB) incriminate each other yeah? I can incriminate both of you if you want but I will probably fail I am aware this is scummy The read on Slam changed after having time to reread his filter. The read on Slam used to be: Is he having fun, if yes then town. But that's really an incomplete explanation. Slam subjectively has more fun playing mafia than he does as town. The difference is that as mafia he doesn't want to be lynched. As town, I don't think he cares. As town, he allows himself to be carefree so that he can enjoy playing. As scum, he doesn't because that's what gets him lynched. The two posts I've quoted, show off that carefree attitude. In these posts he's allowing himself to post whatever the fuck he's thinking; it's just him posting. That's town for him. Ps slam I think Balla is the scum in your group | ||
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On April 02 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote: Fun fact, Steve coag and Ceph have not yet started playing really, leaving them out, six people (myself included ) have openly attacked mderg. Geript Show nested quote + I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw). Tehpoofter Holy Rayn Show nested quote + I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire. It all fits! Gumshoe Show nested quote + Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum? Balla Show nested quote + We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe? Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip. First off that was Cav. Second, I can understand this line of thinking (50% of active think he's scum in a 33% scum game), but it's bad logic. OTTOMH I forget who is in what group but it's quite possible that everyone who hasn't liked mderg is town. Like I really don't want HF playing past day 1 but right now I'm really uncomfortable lynching into pod 2 because Banks is a little town but the other two are complete question marks. | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:08 prplhz wrote: i think it would be a great idea if people mainly focused on their own cell. that doesn't mean that you shouldn't tell the thread if you have reads on other people but if you are unfocused it makes very good sense to look at your own cell simply because you have a 50/50 chance there. On April 02 2014 04:09 Balla24 wrote: That's silly. You still have to vote to lynch within the other cells... On April 02 2014 04:11 prplhz wrote: hmm yea. that's right. I've already brought up the odd point on prplhz's opener, but in rereading I really don't like this interaction. Unlike Banks (poofter) I don't think that focusing primarily on your cell is a scummy strategy. Like I like the point that prplhz brings up in the first post, but it feels really weird for Balla to correct him and then prplhz to instantly drop it. Like I personally 100% support people trying to get a read on the people in their cell so that they can actually make associations and sheep another semi-confirmed townie's opinion for whatever the current lynch is if they feel lost. It's really odd to me that prplhz just drops it like this | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:51 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 04:47 prplhz wrote: On April 02 2014 04:38 Balla24 wrote: I find it weird that people want to lynch "unreadables" first... Unreadable means you can't properly discern their alignment, therefore lynching groups with "unreadable" people in it means we have less chance of hitting mafia, so why would we want them to go first. That's silly, we'll just be behind early if we don't get lucky. For the record, I think my group is very READABLE, and I think it will be easy to catch the mafia in my group therefore we should go first but I think it's stupid that you guys want us to go first if we are "unreadable". "unreadable" as in "having them around probably will not give you any information to work with". at the same time lynching into unreadables might give us a good idea about the people left in the town, rather than autolynching someone who claimed scum. if there's some ezpz town read in a group i think it would make sense to have them around for long, they can help town focus and will not cause a distraction. So if you are so focused on lynching unreadables, why are you on a giant crusade to lynch group four first? This just doesn't make sense. I can understand slam to a certain degree if he just plays nonsense, however me and balla are pretty active and readable. Why not something like group 2 or 3 if you are looking for people that are unreadible? I think this question got dropped. LSB picks it up again a little bit in the following: On April 02 2014 04:57 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 04:52 raynpelikonoshi wrote: On April 02 2014 04:47 prplhz wrote: dunno, i like his activity so far and he seems interested in the game. we also agreed on cell 4 first though apparently for different reasons but i don't mind that because his reasons are alright too. i'm okay with him for now. You just said he seems kinda scummy. ~rayn Prplhz is just a mess of contradictions right now. Likes the scummy balla. Wants some easily readible town group to stay in the game for a long time, agrees that group four is readible and pushes them to get put up to the block first All this is going on during the whole setup/order/etc. stuff. The specific reason I'm seconding this stuff is moreso because I really don't like how rayn has this post: On April 02 2014 04:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote: On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote: so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure. dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch. Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum? I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective. ~rayn Like I 100% agree that we should lynch the groups with obv scum first. It's the fact that Rayn agrees with me that Prplhz's opening post is a bad post but he does it for different reasons from me. He specifically has the problem with it that prplhz doesn't want to find scum and insta lynch them. But his follow up isn't on prplhz for that at all. Town Rayn is perfectly fine pressuring two people at once and he can push both prplhz and myself at the same time EVEN WHILE WE'RE IN THE SAME POD!!! I don't like how he bounces only onto me for this line of reasoning and completely ignores prplhz. I'll talk more about this later I think but need to finish reading. | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote: Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically. I want to reiterate this post. Maybe I'm not explaining it well. This is a really good point I've been trying to make and hasn't gotten through someone. Town tends to come down and stand up for what they believe; they know they're town and will evaluate their plans and think about them and reevaluate etc. But when a townie presents a plan, they're confident in it. They like the plan. They want town to follow it. So prplhz taking such an unconfident odd stance on the mayor mattering one way or another really bugs me. | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:40 gumshoe wrote: Guys, I ask that you vote me, because as you said the mayor is a figure head and I am the prettiest one available. Seriously, have you ever served as wooden the mermaid at the front of a ship? I have and I looked fantastic doing it. A vote for the prettiest mayor is a vote for justice! I really don't like this post. I don't think anyone talked about it from the first read through, but it comes at a really odd point. Rayn's interrogating me. Prplhz is calling me scum for my town meta. Sent is interested in Rayn's line. Derg is being useless. This feels like a really odd spot to come in with a complete joke post as town. | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:20 mderg wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this. I really like this post. I can't really put my finger on it, but I kinda like derg for town here for this. I think this shows that he's actually thinking about how Steveling would act or think in this position. As scum I think it's far easier to respond as, "Null, not important... non-alignment indicative. etc.' It's not a strong read but I'm definitely going to look again at HF/Banks harder. | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:44 gumshoe wrote: I am reading a hydra fight, so it's a bit hard to follow along, at the moment my thoughts on geript are this, he can present policy lynches, or lame mayor arguments as either alignment. Your a very logic driven player Rayn, you often believe that if something doesnt make sense it's coming from scum, but that always deserves a grain of salt especially in Geript's case. Basically I read him as town atm for driving himself into the spotlight and gladly offering opinions, because that is inherently townie behaviour. Things make sense from his perspective that dont to others, so I am also willing to buy his policy lynch stuff not coming from a place of malevolence. That is my opinion. I'm having a really hard time with this post. Gumshoe had a pretty decent read on me Cultured. This is a scary good read from gumshoe and I hate to say that I think he might be scum because of it for like the second game in a row. I'm definitely going to have to reread gum. | ||
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On April 02 2014 16:06 Tehpoofter wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2014 15:36 getmoript wrote: On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote: On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote: so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically. I want to reiterate this post. Maybe I'm not explaining it well. This is a really good point I've been trying to make and hasn't gotten through someone. Town tends to come down and stand up for what they believe; they know they're town and will evaluate their plans and think about them and reevaluate etc. But when a townie presents a plan, they're confident in it. They like the plan. They want town to follow it. So prplhz taking such an unconfident odd stance on the mayor mattering one way or another really bugs me. Are you reading all this from him saying "maybe the mayor doesn't matter much"? Or did he have other posts that make you have this view? I'm eating so not really in a filter diving mood but your point is interesting if there is posts to back it up. No it's a read on how you present things as town and it's a super awkward way to start talking about a how you think about the game. A lot of it is based on experience. I want to go back and reread PYP Boardwalk to look at the plans proposed there, but I don't have time right now. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:08 Holyflare wrote: I think we lynch geript to see if he confirmed me palmar and rayn as town earlier. Shhhhh don't call it a policy lynch. Then rayn would get mad. | ||
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