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On April 28 2014 12:04 OdinOfPergo wrote: OK.
I haven't really thought about everything yet. So this is really subject to peer review. But let me lay it out as best I can.
Geript,VE,Slam, and Yam claimed to have dayvig. Or at least soft claimed it. The only person to retract on this is Geript if I have been reading things correctly.
So..
Who between Slam, VE, and Geript is scum? Yam already died. I refuse to believe that scum Yam outted himself without making ANY action.. to let his scum team KILL him for wifom. That's retarted. We don't need a Yam flip to presume he was town.
SnB This guy is such a hot topic. I really feel uncomfortable with his lynch atm though. Like I read it... and come to the conclusion "This dude totes scum" and then someone post something and I re-read And then I am like "Wtf Odin, you so confirmation biased" Basically, I've been double guessing myself the entire game with him. I'm confused and I'm not sure if he's scum or bad town.
Cephiro voting Oats is pretty interesting to me. I don't like Oats play. I have no regards to Ceph play. And what I mean by "no regards" is this guy has literally posted ONE post since this game has begun. He has 4 other post but they don't appear to say much. So why the heck is Ceph flying under the radar? Why is he silent voting Oats? Will we ever know? Given circumstances, probably not. This dude could totes be scum.
Lastly since I'm running short on time. Geript soft claims dayvig in his post towards WoS. He later gives this up. I don't remember the exact post right now but filter him or w/e. there is a "or else" Wave replies something to the lines of "that's cute babe" I didn't take much of it from then but now it MAY be important.
Consider that Geript,Yam,VE, and Slam have claimed dayvig. This is a retarded amount of KP for town during the day. I don't buy it for a second. Yam died. I don't believe he had dayvig but I do believe he was town. One. Maby two if NOT 3 of them are either strait FULL of Themselves, outright lying, or scum. I full well and strongly claim quite full of myself.
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Why is it always like this?
BH I am saving a post to switch to oats at deadline if SNB isn't gonna be it. Will you be here?
Anyone else on SNB gonna be here?
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IN THE MEANTIME MAYBE SOME FOLKS OVER THERE WANT TO SAY IF THEY WILL OR WILL NOT GO FOR THE REVERSE? WHO ON OATS IS WILLING TO SWITCH TO SNB?
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On April 28 2014 12:22 OdinOfPergo wrote: Slam I wasn't even thinking you were the one I was worried about in that scenario.
Or I wasn't at the time. I'm still not TOO worried about it.
But how I proceed from here is going to stronly depend.
I am going to go ahead and ##Donate: 2 post to Alakaslam.
Now please tell me who you intend to shoot before this day is done. If you are in fact the town dayvig. (Like I'm presumming right now) Scum is never going to let you live through the night. SO you will die tonight.
Thus give us what you can please. I used my shot. Yamato77 is dead.
Thanks for the posts though.
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VE.
Read my filter use this post I give you to tell me why I shot yam?
I hope you will, even Spoilered if you have to.
##Donate: 1 post to VisceraEyes
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Not changing my vote apparently.
VE you did not read my filter like I asked.
On April 28 2014 08:05 Alakaslam wrote: ##Shoot: Yamato77
Reason: I was out of posts and can post my reason with the shot. I can't change my vote folks and I was already looking at Yam shot. Not playing pro town much at all IMO.
First off I said I COULD. DUE to being allowed to post the shot.
On April 28 2014 12:09 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 10:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: ##Donate 5 posts to prplhz ##donate 5 posts to alakaslam Oh! Thank you greatly! Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 09:06 Cephiro wrote:On April 26 2014 22:53 prplhz wrote: One thing is to propose a dumb plan or come up with a dumb read, townies do that all the time and disagree on whether it's actually dumb or not. Another thing is shooting someone a couple posts into the game, everybody know that's a dumb thing to do. There aren't multiple points of view here, I know it's a dumb thing, you know it's a dumb thing, Caller knows it is a dumb thing. Caller knows it's a dumb anti townie thing and he's doing anyway and that's really all there is to it: people who know something is anti town and yet proceed to do it are likely scum, it's that simple. As much as trying to think about the game as an environment where people for for the logical or optimal choices, that's not what happens here. I don't even bother trying to make my assumptions on optimal plays or expecting someone to do what I feel is logical since it just won't happen. Townies rarely make the best choices available, even if it seemed like an easy choice looking at it later on. As scum, you can intentionally play sub-optimally to make you look more town to people that assume there is no reason to not do such. (Such as in my last game in Cell, I pushed for geript at the end instead of prplhz when going for prplhz would have been the "easy" mislynch, but I thought that if I push for him it may seem to others too easily as the obvious mislynch pick, and that someone might pick on the logic and defend me for not going for prplhz even though I could have done that, since "trying to get geript lynched made no sense from mafia perspective". On April 28 2014 04:54 prplhz wrote: If what Caller did was super scummy to everyone then why didn't people want to lynch him? He only got 4 votes, including sandroba and Ace who usually have quite a bit of town pull. Hence it needed more explanation, I responded to people using arguments like "too dumb to be scum" and explained why they didn't apply. If what caller did was super scummy to everyone then why didn't people want to lynch him? There's just no point in going 100% "Lynch Caller" after what he did, agree on that and kill the discussion, it doesn't get us anywhere. Especially with the most votes -> disable daykill powers mechanic which can be used in interesting ways. If it had been a real nuke, I'd probably be voting to lynch Caller right now. I still don't like what he did, but at the moment I feel it was much more likely to come from a town player rather than a scum player. At start when we "can afford", there's no reason to force ourselves into a decision at the start of a cycle when a lot of things can still come up. Point of curiosity: Just how many posts did JAT waste solely on asking people to donate him more? Yeah. Using your last posts to provide nothing yet ask for more is a bit interesting.. contradictory even. Given that you can't be sure you'll gain any, why not make use of what you have left if you're in danger of running out? @geript: I prefer to concentrate on one thing at a time, enjoy esports first and delve into mafia later, rather than do both half-assedly at the same time. Alakaslam: Retarded shot. And here I was thinking you might be town a while ago. General: I am not getting on snb wagon, I feel like it's a mislynch wagon. The oats wagon might be onto something however, and I don't see any bad names on that wagon either. If I had to consolidate on someone, I would get on Oats. Caller's shot is terribad. Why prp...? Will be around for a little while or until I fall asleep. Also doing this to prove I have no KP: #Kill: Blazinghand #Nuke: Blazinghand ... Only one hash, proves nothing -_- Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 09:57 geript wrote: To snooglewoogle I am the oats whisperer. I don't think any of your points actually make him scum. Normal people, maybe but not oats IMO. I'm really surprised slam shot without any provocation. That's pretty far out his character. Like really really far out of his character. Enough so that I'm considering him again. I don't get why Sandroba doesn't like the SnB stuf. ~16 No provocation?!?Did you read my given reason for my shot?!? I was in an RNG list he set up with no posts left! I was half defending all the vets on that list, a quarter getting an opportunity to say something, and a quarter self defense!
Stuff like this I say please AMA about my shot because clearly I did not make myself understood!
I will now say it EXHAUSTIVELY.
I came into the thread and saw Yamato77 claiming he would randomly vig into anyone voting for snb.
Not only was I on snb, but a number of vets I respect were. I saw this as VERY anti town.
I immediately began to try and find out if I could vig him before he did me, or say, Foolishness, for that matter. Soon as I found I could, and could use the post to explain the shot, I did so as quickly as I could.
It is really that simple folks, I did not see his retraction until after the fact, whence I said some kind of misspelled all caps phone speak for remorse.
Oh well, I would rather have used my shot later or had the glory of N1 NK. But as it is, I shot Yamato77 for reasons not as stupid as people are asserting (but still stupid), and with plenty of provocation. I could not defend myself any other way and he seemed blind to the post restriction and my carefree use of it*in spoiler*. + Show Spoiler +
I am now steadfast on SNB, though I would rather not be. I would rather be able to consolidate at deadline if needed. But I want to point this out that I asked VE to do somethign, he now has 11 post, wouldn't do it.
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I prepared the following if we didn't lynch. Now it applies differently
+ Show Spoiler +noooo ALL YOU ALL, YOU PEOPLE VOTING SOLO YOU THINK YOU HERO? AAAAAUUGH!! I WAS WRONG!!! NOOO!
hijole.
Still I think Yam has more reason to be upset than you do. I totally wigged out on him.
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Correct. I had nothing substantial to provide other than panic fail.
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##Donate posts: 1 VisceraEyes, 1 Palmar
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Hello
Why should my alignment be obscured?
Yamato well I made a mistake. But if I am scum you want to know.
Since I am town I would rather survive but this may actually somehow be against my wincon lol
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Think about it.
If I have been playing anti town and misleading town, I am playing against my wincon to survive and deny town my alignment. That simple.
But anyway, Ace can you explain why Odinofpergo is town?
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On April 29 2014 13:49 Ace wrote: yamato never flipped how would you know you made a mistake oooooooooooooooh because he never flipped and town's reaction of course, but I am guessing this is in jest.
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I shot in response to a group threat of shot.
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Palmar, Ace.
The reasoning that because I realized WHAT YOU DUMBASSES ALREADY SAID YOURSELVES is actually true makes me scum, is pure dumbassery on a level you both know better than and the fact that you push it so blatantly hypocritically makes you very likely scum.
Odin has so not been reading the thread that he is also scum.
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On April 29 2014 21:25 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 21:10 Koshi wrote: Why can you write this long post about your townreads but your scumreads have to wait??? I have never ever felt it was benefiacial when I had strong scumreads to write my townreads down first.
Anyhoezels.
You are already wrong on me and Foolishness is a good busstarget because he probably cba anymore and the rest of your scumreads are the opposite of what geript told the thread. So you are saying they killed geript for WIFOM? That shit rarely happens, and it really rarely happens to somebody who doesn't get nk early normally.
Anyway. Your reads suck but I am very patiently awaiting your awesome cases.
Make sure they are awesome. Scum reads are more important and should have lots of quotes and points imo. Like I would want to make one long post on each of the four scum reads (minus maybe slam because quoting his posts is almost always useless) I don't understand you thing on Foolishness he is a good bustarget for me? Also you are assuming geript was right and killed by scum what if he was night vigged? (Honestly I think this is unlikely but I felt his kill was off for scum until I saw that you used it to clear Oats Slam and yourself any one of you could make that kill and be like "hurray I'm clear" maybe even multiple of you! 3 Teh you have been reading the qt more than thread imo
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On April 29 2014 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 22:36 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote: So I can brag endgame? If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them. Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all. My eyes have been opened. This looks like 'Oh balls, they's catching on, no reasoning though---hmm I can discredit here.' Also probably thought Cephiro was town until that traitor shit was pointed out to me which seems really damn obvious, including his recent attempts to defend himself. I dunno I think I just have to find someone to sheep all game. Maybe I'll make like Koshi and listen to dead geript for once? I don't think I can play this kind of format again it's killing my activity and motivation. It's funny I yelled at Slam/called him scum for saying I don't care about the game but this may be the game I've cared about the least in like, ever. Someone give me something to do. Austin you're good at that. Well my name starts with A, right?
Hey so look at Odinofpergo during pages 25-30.
Look at the conclusions he draws and try and find the people saying what he thinks folks are saying. Find out who said Ace shot Yamato, for example.
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On April 30 2014 00:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Odin looks like town Odin to me, but I think he still may fall into the 'noob' category, in which case you'd have to lynch him as you always to the opposite of what my reads for newbies are. Slam you yourself are not off the hook. I can't at all correlate reasons you've given for why you thought shooting yamato OR ME would be a good idea. Koshi your point re:geript makes a lot of sense----only thing that recently struck me is that clarification as to geript's death could be a very sneaky question from scum to try and figure out the role use. I'm keeping that in my back pocket right now despite my townread of you. As to his reads, I think I'm pretty recently motivated to actually do a re-read of the game since it's not particularly long. Effort may go a longer way in this game than usual and I'm kind of sick of being wrong w/respect to my reads. I <3 geript but the shot DID seem silly especially from what I still believe to be a likely scumteam largely composed of 'vets' who wouldn't be threatened by him. It certainly explains the sandroba shot despite him not looking too great (imo) and not accomplishing a whole lot. The thing is though, I don't see geript randomly sacrificing himself this early in the game. He clearly was very active and had a lot left to do---in his mind I don't see him at all finding someone else's protection more important than his own. He was almost certainly shot, so it was either a blue-sniping attempt (VA? ) and/or geript crumbed something they picked up on, or like I said, the scumteam is largely composed of the vets that would otherwise be shot on N1, and geript was on to stuff. I am leaning towards the second option since the combination of kills is really good evidence. Sandroba is threatening to people who know him, as he can be a lategame monster for town if he puts the effort in. Makes sense that a scumteam of vets would want to remove him...but then why would said people bother with geript? He's certainly not 'known' for anything special, really. Simply because he was the best target available to the scumteam. If the vets were similarly scared of another 'vet' then they would have shot that person. This means they must have been scared enough of geript to place him above other 'vets' in priority, AND/OR those vets are ON the scumteam. I don't believe shooting to avoid protection to be a major factor here as there were no obvious protect targets in my opinion. I have no idea where the above just came from, I was inspired I guess. I like my theory though and now I finally have a moving point for this game. Gotta remember to do vote analysis too later. People are welcome to comment. HIJOLE
What then, who is up? People want to out foolishness, palmar
Ace, he likes my sexy for mislynch too much
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On April 30 2014 00:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 29 2014 22:36 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote: So I can brag endgame? If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them. Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all. My eyes have been opened. This looks like 'Oh balls, they's catching on, no reasoning though---hmm I can discredit here.' Also probably thought Cephiro was town until that traitor shit was pointed out to me which seems really damn obvious, including his recent attempts to defend himself. I dunno I think I just have to find someone to sheep all game. Maybe I'll make like Koshi and listen to dead geript for once? I don't think I can play this kind of format again it's killing my activity and motivation. It's funny I yelled at Slam/called him scum for saying I don't care about the game but this may be the game I've cared about the least in like, ever. Someone give me something to do. Austin you're good at that. Because asking for reasoning is totally scummy after all... I understand that you think this game sucks WoS. I share that feeling mainly because of the post restriction and because half of the people aren't even playing but why should other people put effort in if you don't? Koshi promised explanation and didn't deliver. His scumteam makes 0 sense since I wouldn't mind seeing all of the other 3 people he called scum dead. The difference is though that I would rather see foolishness lynched than shot. Cephiro and slam are both decent shots because the chance of them being traitor/scum is quite high and they are lynchbait anyways should they be town. That is actually a good point for me being shot.
As for my shot people really want me to fabricate reasons where there were none, lol
Like I panicked and did not read his clarification, I even understand now that was a mistake. What is funny is that recognizing this fact now makes me badass scum powerful, the all knowing scum genie.
It actually makes me a recovered former retard- but hey if I must be lynched DOIT now.
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On April 30 2014 00:27 Caller wrote:we're ignoring all the other crap you guys are spouting, half of you are chasing your own tails and the other half of you are mafia. we're focusing on this now. Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 00:14 Caller wrote:On April 29 2014 12:17 VayneAuthority wrote: didnt even know there was vanilla town in this game, what a scrub lol are you guys fucking kidding me the guy just softed a blue claim, and there isnt a bomb or meth dealer or w/e role. There's only two reasons why you would do this: either you're a fucking retard that wants to get killed by mafia, or you're actually mafia. i tend to think better of humanity than to assume everybody is a fucking retard, so VA claim, it's out in the open anyways. ##vote: VayneAuthority brodda Calla
##Vote: VayneAuthority
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On April 30 2014 00:40 Caller wrote: BTW coroner should out with the results of the test on whoever slam shot last night. cops only out on guilty. If/when coroner claims, medics and/or martyrs should be on him I did not shoot at night, that was a day vig.
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