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could somebody tell me what hydra-ing is? | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:23 justanothertownie wrote: You absolutely are not the only one. Weird. Before this posts there was no hydra nonsense that I can remember. Only one of the 2 hydras posted and only one head of it. I just saw people posting and discussing "hydras", and it's a really new concept to me as far as forum mafia goes. Still getting used to all the lingo here on TL | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:26 sandroba wrote: I took this as random filler normally added by mafia to justify not commenting on anything or said hydra. Can you explain why hydras are hard to keep track of? I have no idea, I just kept seeing people mention robik as being somebody else and didn't really know what was happening lol. I've never heard of people being able to post as the same person in mafia before | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:31 Tehpoofter wrote: Agreed. ExO very sketchy I don't think he read the first part of the thread. Sounded to be like he uses hydra here like a buzz word and trying to slide into the convo. @ExO you say you're getting used to the TL lingo where do you come from? Do you play Werewolf there or mafia? @Sandroba you care to elaborate on why Koshi is wolfy here? Like his post wasn't what I agreed with but not sure I got the super wolf tingles. Although I will say I'm not leaning village from it either. I've always played mafia (werewolf) on a forum for a game called starkingdoms. Browser base game, played it for years. Mafia was a way to pass time in between the hour-long ticks. I didn't know TL ran mafia until recently. So things like "scum" (easy enough to figure out) and "hydra" are just new words to me. I didn't read the first 10 pages, I read about the first 5. As for my reads? Its the first day seems incredibly hard to get a good read on anybody this early. I probably won't vote until closer towards the end of voting time | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:42 Tehpoofter wrote: I think you should be okay with being wrong about a read. Are you planning on reading the other 5 pages? Seems like if you don't have anything to go on you'd want more information maybe its hidden in the next 5 pages! I am, but I'm in a Heroes game right now. Reading and posting during deaths...I am dying quite a bit xD | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + https://www.starkingdoms.com/community/discussion/3281/werewolves-of-the-caribbean-night-1-to-turn-daytime-noon-est-611#Item_9 Never IRL or on TL before. Already it's much more serious here, but people also seem to be quick to get out and make judgements of people based on nothing. I don't think you can learn too much about people's alignment from the post on the first day, and yet that's what apparently I and everybody else is expected to do. What if good guy#1 says good guy#2 is scum, and then in the next few days good guy #1 is killed. Well everybody remembers good guy#2 says good guy#1 is scum so they kill him. And now 2 good guys are dead. So I'd rather not rush out my feelings on people because I don't have feelings on people yet. If I had to commit a little bit, I think poofter is okay despite him voting for me, but that's about it | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:17 roundabound wrote: ExO_ Indulge me please. These innate feelings for poofter. Do you think his reasoning is: -plausible? -committed? -other? ~moc I think his reasoning assumes I'm an experienced player, which I'm not. But I don't think he'd leave breadcumbs like that unless he really is a good guy. Perhaps I'm naive, but I'm willing to trust him for now | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:23 roundabound wrote: If he's a noob and mafia, he sees your medic claim and runs into Maf QT and starts yelling, OMGOGOMG DID YOU GUIZE JUST SEE BANKS CLAIMED MEDIC. WE HAZ TO KEEL HIM TONIGHT! He gets instantly shot down and he doesn't bring it up. He doesn't do what he just did and blatantly role hunt in the thread. wait tehpoofter is claiming medic? I thought he was claiming seer? | ||
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On June 11 2014 10:14 Tehpoofter wrote: Did you really OMGUS vote EXO? or heaven forbid do you have a reason for it? I have no idea what OMGUS means, but he voted without saying anything. I don't see a good reason to do that at this point in the game, so I said as much. No need to be a dick about it :/ | ||
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On June 11 2014 10:21 Tehpoofter wrote: My post was directed at Kushmasta not you. OMGUS=Oh My God You Suck basically its when someone calls you scummy and you respond by calling them scummy for calling you scummy. How do you feel about yamato? He made a post with 3 reads that were quite definite did you agree with any of them? Looks like a lot of baseless finger pointing, counter-finger pointing, and baseless claims to me. People are "reading" far too much into non-informative posts if you ask me. This early into the game I think a lot of people are probably very actively over-analyzing every little detail and then causing small squabbles between each other for the dumbest of reasons. So what do I think of his reads? Not much. The only person I've found really interesting so far is chairmanray, who has made some huge posts. I think he's either a townie who is (over)confident in his own ability to read into things, or a mafia having fun while looking innocent. | ||
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On June 11 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote: Okay I'm caught up here's my notes so far: Sinani - Scum. He treads too lightly and unsuccessfully tries to dodge the spotlight. He tries to direct the spotlight away from himself. Chairman Ray - Too impressive a performance to be town. Leaning heavily toward mafia. tehpoofer - Scum. My notes say "gave a lame apology." Voted roundabout for bad reasons, then unvoted roundabout for equally bad reasons. Voted for Koshi and switched soon after without pressuring Koshi at all. Soft defended sinani early on, then voted him for bad reasons, then unvoted him for bad reasons. Noticing a pattern. Tries to look like he's "helping" by pointing out when the thread started for kush. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what a hydra is. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what OMGUS means. Paraphrases other people's posts for them. roundabout - Will probably be my vote for the rest of day 1. Looked way too nervous when I went after him early. Plus I hate hydras. vayne - Skipped early game. Skipped more because "migraine." FOS sandroba - Gets town cred for calling out Koshi first. exo - "I'm new guys please take it easy on me." FOS Bill Murray - My notes say "he liked exo's early posts." All of exo's early posts were questions about terminology that he could have easily googled. FOS TicaTica - Expert troll? Null read. you try googling hydra and see if you can get info on what it is. I tried searching for it when people were asking about hydras pre-game and all I came up with is a zerg unit that shoots both air and ground. | ||
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HolyFlare strikes me as very odd, making 10 posts between: June 10 2014 16:01 to June 11 2014 08:04 saying he won't be here until Thursday. But it looks to me like he's here, he's reading posts, and actively responding. When Yama criticized him HF responded at first in a very light-hearted way but showed increasing annoyance as yama didn't let up, even going as far to imply Yama is mafia. I don't think this instantly makes HF scummy to me, but I'd like to know what exactly does "not here until Thursday" means. You're right here, right now, posting mostly silly 1-linerse but clearly keeping active with the thread. | ||
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On June 11 2014 23:17 Rainbows wrote: i dont see a reason for mafia HF not to just peace out till thursday and stick to that. This seems inherently more scummy, but so obviously scummy that he probably wouldn't do it as scum. lol I'm not so sure. If you are the mafia, you've got all the power. You're in control of the game, and you know it (and nobody else knows it). I think he could very easily just be an overconfident mafia | ||
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Why should his read on you matter? | ||
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? I don't know that I agree with Koshi, but I don't think your either misrepresenting or misinterpreting what he said. He said you're potentially scummy, and it seems to me you care more about him publicly changing this opinion than anything else. If he is scummy and trying to falsely place scum blame on you, isn't it more important that we all know he's scum and you're not, rather than what he's telling everybody? Why do you care about his read on you so much? | ||
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On June 12 2014 01:45 ExO_ wrote: ? I don't know that I agree with Koshi, but I don't think your either misrepresenting or misinterpreting what he said. He said you're potentially scummy, and it seems to me you care more about him publicly changing this opinion than anything else. If he is scummy and trying to falsely place scum blame on you, isn't it more important that we all know he's scum and you're not, rather than what he's telling everybody? Why do you care about his read on you so much? EBWOP I meant to say but I think you're either misrepresenting or misinterpreting what he said. Not I don't think. | ||
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Though I think the early banter may serve a purpose, people are way to full of themselves if they honestly believe they can discern mafia based on whats happened so far. When I have something to add, I'll add it. | ||
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On June 12 2014 05:40 gumshoe wrote: Ultimately Exo, this is a game / : and I often feel like town players get that, but scum don't as a result of the fear we impose on them. A reluctance to post reads as fear to me but I've never played you before so I won't pretend as if I really know what your thinking. That said, I feel it's unfair of you to amount all that's been said to psycho analyst banter ) : a lot of interesting valid things have been said by your peers and if none of it appeals to you why are you playing this game? Speaking of which, your goal in this match is two fold, it is not enough to find scum, you have to prove to us that your town so that by the time you do offer up your true accusations we trust you enough to follow. that's why we all offer these reads ( even if they're not perfect) as opposed to hoarding our suspicions like menacing house wives. mmmm but I feel almost like it's rude to voice without good reasoning. For example, JAT has posted barely anything worthwhile imo, rarely posting more than a single sentence. I don't feel like he's doing anything to contribute towards town, and is just generally stirring things up while sitting back. But I don't have any major disagreements with the things he's saying, nor do I feel like me scrutinizing him is justified in this case as I have nothing really to go on. So I haven't said anything. Anybody else keeping up with the thread can clearly read what I'm reading and can make their own judgements on him. There's nothing I feel like I've noticed that needs to be voiced. Everybody else seems to have a better feel for everybody else, having played them in other games; this is my first game so I'm getting my first reads on everybody right now. I don't think it's fair for me to voice every thought and possibility that occurs to me just yet because I don't know everybody. I'm still forming my opinions, and I'd hate to undermine my ability to argue what I think later because I committed to an opinion too early (that I later changed my mind on.) | ||
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On June 12 2014 06:02 marvellosity wrote: that's silly, i'll probably change my mind 100 times over the course of the game, that's part of playing mafia it's through seeing your opinions and the reasons behind them that people can get a good read on you, and changing your mind doesn't undermine anything. Changing your mind all the time can easily get you killed. Saying X is scum, then Y is scum, then Z is scum...people are gonna start thinking your scum trying to throw the blame off yourself. Obviously adapting and assessing and reassessing is a part of the game. But I'm not going to spout off bullshit for the sake of spouting off bullshit. If I saw something that I thought would help the town, I'd say it. | ||
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##unvote ##Vote kushm4sta I'm having a very hard time determining what should indicate mafia, and what should indicate town (especially since it's day 1 and nothing has actually happened yet.) I'm forming opinions of people easily enough, but just thinking, for example, that marvel can be very rude doesn't make him mafia. And people who have been helpful and kind aren't necessarily town. | ||
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On June 13 2014 04:46 Chromatically wrote: I just skimmed it and didn't see anything, I can look more later but I kind of doubt that a meta read of kush will say anything conclusive with the way he's playing. How is he playing even though? If you're town, what kind of strategy is it to go around telling people to lynch you? | ||
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On June 13 2014 11:57 ketomai wrote: Nice job on the lynch. In light of that lynch, it changes my opinions on a lot of people and made me look at others. Of those here are the ones that concern me most: sinani: I'm feeling mafia on this one. -KoC admitted after he got lynched that he's quite bad in mafia. It's not out of the question that some of his early defenses could be actual mafia. He went along with KoC's badly supported agenda on batsnacks. -He voted for KoC at the tipping point after it became pretty clear that KoC was going to get lynched already. He actually soft defended KoC before that and then after a couple more votes came in and KoC surpassed SnB, he conceded. Here, he's suggesting that there's nothing wrong with votes on ended bandwagons. Notice where his own vote is when he says this (on the antiquated Koshi wagon). While being on an inactive bandwagon is not exactly a 100% mafia tell (I am guilty as well), being present while having such a vote and being content with it is a lot more mafia. He also does not change his vote or provide any analysis aside from: Here it's already apparent that KoC is the case that should be focused on here yet he ignores marv (and marv called him out on it) and just tries to bring up my case again. He doesn't actually "investigate" KoC until he gets called out on ignoring it. In fact, the people he has problems with in his post history are myself and koshi, who a lot of people were attacking anyway. I obviously know I'm not mafia and I'm starting to think Koshi is less mafia, which makes his cases even more suspicious to me personally. Anyway, besides that just look at his filter. He's basically contributed nothing while going for the easy low hanging fruits. That combined with his suspicious voting and lack of proactivity in analyzing big cases or any cases makes me think he's mafia. Exo: starting to think he's more mafia Similarly to sinani, he ignores a lot of big cases. In this post he ignores the KoC train while it's happening (and never addresses it despite being there the whole time) for almost a policy lynch on kush (with not much evidence given). He also in this post milks the newbie card, that everyone has been giving him a pass for, a little too much. For someone who's having a hard time "[indicating] who's mafia", he doesn't seem to put much effort into finding them. His accusations usually do not have a lot of backing, and in this case, his lack of accusations over the course of the whole day combined with that puts him over the top for me. I don't think this is fair. For starters, calling me out on my posting amount when you've posted about half of what I have seems rather silly. When it comes to KoC I didn't see it. He didn't look like mafia to me. But to be honest, nobody really does. So instead of voting for what I feel would essentially be a guess, I'm going to vote for the guy who is being very trolly and actively telling people to lynch him (kush). For some reason a lot of players seem to think that acting this way makes him a vigilante, and I don't understand that at all. So I stand by my vote on Kush. You're right about effort though. I'm probably not putting forth the effort that some players are. The amount of information in 55ish pages of reading is crazy. Being expected to read all of it and remember who said what about who when, and make predictions out of all of it seems like the norm here and I'm not sure I can keep up with that pace. I'm going to try my best, but TLmafia isn't the only thing I'm doing. If that's not good enough for you, if the fact that I'm not willing to accuse people I don't have strong feelings about isn't good enough for you, then lynch me. I'm not going to change how I'm playing right now. I can tell you this much: I'm 100% town, and want to do what I can to help town win (thereby allowing me to win). If I was mafia you'd be damn sure I'd be asking what things to say, what not to say. But I'm on my own. So I'm doing the best I can. That's about all you can expect from me, take it or leave it. | ||
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On June 13 2014 13:33 ketomai wrote: See that's what I don't like about your play. If you weren't seeing KoC, then SAY THAT and say why before you randomly post about someone completely different. You don't want to even talk about people you don't have strong feelings about but you speak up about the randomest of people without solid evidence. I mean you accused Kush previously but your only reasoning is "he asked for it" and "he's trolly". MANY people have been "trolly" this game (Vayneauthority, Palmer, etc). Do you find a borderline policy lynch (by your reasoning) on kush more acceptable than ANY of the cases that have been brought up? I find that that hard to believe. As for why I have so few posts, it's because yes, I am generally only active after work in a 4-5 hour time period. However, I had more of a problem about your post content and when you're inactive rather than the total posts. The total posts was just an observation. Yes I found a vote on Kush more acceptable than any of the cases. I didn't see really strong evidence for anybody really. What I saw left and right was people making judgements of others based on what I considered virtually nothing. Nothing has happened in the game yet somehow you expect me to believe you're going to be able to discern mafia purely by the early game posts? (not referring to you specifically as you didn't really make me posts about people at all) To me that seemed more like arrogance and ego, and also seemed likely to cause a towny to be lynched. There's more townies than mafia, and it didn't seem like anything else other than random chance to get a mafia correctly. As it turns out it did work out, and marv did a good job starting the train on KoC. But I didn't think it was like that at the time I was voting. So I chose to vote for the guy who I didn't (and still don't) think is going to be any good for the town, and who I think could possibly be mafia, over a guy I didn't have a read on one way or the other. I didn't really have much of an opinion on KoC, so I didn't push for his innocence. I figured "hell it's day 1 and I don't have a clue one way or the other. Might as well vote on what I think is best. So that's what I did. I'll try my best to read people more and voice my opinions more. But I don't think my vote on day 1 was wrong. Kush was the best vote I had based on the information I believed. Better to lynch somebody who isn't going to help the town out all, than risk voting for a towny based on somebody else's read. It's a good thing there are people like marv here who were able to pick out KoC and get the lynch on him. And I'll try my best to do what I think is right, which is what I did: what I thought was right. | ||
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the part in parenthesis should read (not referring to you specifically as you didn't really make any posts about people at all) | ||
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On June 13 2014 15:16 Holyflare wrote: exo is this your first forum game? on TL forums at least. The people here take it wayyy more seriously than I'm used to lol | ||
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There are some others I'd like to look in to but right now Slam sticks out for me. | ||
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On June 14 2014 16:14 gumshoe wrote: Helop, surprisingly I have a pretty good excuse for my ludicrously long absence buuuuut people hate excuses so I'll just get back into it, I've reconsidered chair man, I liked his explanation/defence. It makes more sense that he was just trying to figure stuff out as opposed to try and start a fire. As a result I'm fine with lynching haru purely because he jumped on the case I made right away despite having only made a single comment against cr in passing a while back. On another note, noes around the time I expect Exo to solve the game given how much he's hyped his quality over quantity reads so looking forward to that. @.@ was it really necessary to take a cheap shot like that at me? | ||
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But I think Chromatically is mafia. At June 12 2014 13:31 Chrom votes ritoky. At this point the train on KotC is in full swing, and he's up to 9 votes. It's looking like he's going to be lynched. 2 Hours prior however, the vote count was only at 4 for KotC. So a lot of votes moved all at once. 1 hour later at June 12 2014 14:31 Chrom hops on the train. What's interesting is Chrom's posts in this one hour block. Before I get to the hour block, lets take a look at some of Chrom's earlier posts. His first vote on Sinani is preceded by this: On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote: Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. ##Vote: sinani206 It almost seems like a sarcastic joke to me at first, to vote Sinani for such an arbitrary reason. Going from page 1-2 of his filter though, he continues to push Sinani pretty hard. Koshi notices this, and calls him Chrom out on it. Chrom clams up after this, asking Yamato for a read on himself. To me this seems like a concerned mafia. The real gold comes after that though: On June 11 2014 10:19 Chromatically wrote: I want to see his explanation of his read on me. Right now, it looks like he's not actually thinking about who's scummy, more about what things he can throw suspicion on. As town, he would be worried about why the things I've done make me scum, but as mafia, he would be happy to give out a read where he just says things he doesn't like (regardless of mafia motivation). The thing I'm worried about is that, as scum, he would be more wary of giving out townreads with such shoddy reasoning in such a blatant way, because it draws attention to himself. So explanation. Sound familiar? It seems to me he did to Sinani exactly what he said Koshi was doing to him. After this going from page 2-3 on his filter, he continues to freak out at Koshi a bit. Just like with Yamato, he asks Koshi about Koshi's read on himself. To me, it looks like Chrom is very worried about what everyone thinks about him. Regarding Koshi, he even goes on to say: On June 12 2014 01:53 Chromatically wrote: My point in asking that question was that this does not sound like someone talking to their scumread. This sounds like he thinks I'm town. Think about it. If you're town and your scumread posts a big case on you claiming that you're misrepresenting them and trying to get you lynched, you're probably going to be mad/attack back and defend yourself. You wouldn't jokingly apologize to your scumread for pushing them, when you think they're scum trying to mislynch you. He's literally putting words into Koshi's mouth, saying that he's town. The banter with Koshi goes on for a little bit, and he starts asking for reads on Koshi. At the bottom of page 3 of his filter he says: On June 12 2014 09:28 Chromatically wrote: I'm going to see what people are on about with ketomai because I didn't really get it when he was in the thread. Followed by: On June 12 2014 09:41 Chromatically wrote: I think ketomai totally depends on what he posts next. The thing that happened in thread could have easily been a townie startled by people jumping on him before he starts playing. I agree that it's weird that he feels like he has to vote between round and Exo, but it's not really scummy..? He could have easily left his vote on himself and that would draw less attention. What he posts next is the important part. This part isn't super relevant to my case, but I'm pointing it out here in case my case turns out to be correct. Ketomai has been suspected quite a bit, and here Chrom isn't exactly defending him but he is lightly trying to divert attention off of Ketomai. He's not joining any trains of thought against Keto though. Right before the "magic hour" I referred to earlier, we see Chrom trying to divert away from cats with: On June 13 2014 03:05 Chromatically wrote: Can't we just lynch ritoky? and On June 13 2014 03:12 Chromatically wrote: The case on Cats is good but it basically relies on him being experienced/good. He could be actually new or just really bad. ritoky has done things that are scum-motivated, not just bad. I'll consolidate my case because I think I wasn't very clear yesterday. That's just about all he had to say about cats, sorta in what I would call a "yeah yeah, but!" fashion. He doesn't want to say the case against cats is bad, but he doesn't want to encourage it either, and I think this post is a great way to try to push another case while acknowledging the cats case as little as possible. So we finally get to this hour. I understand at this point the voting is nearing its end. But chrom posts 12 times, his biggest concentration of posts yet. I won't quote all 12 posts, you can eaisly find them on his filter and they're going to clog this already clogged post. From 13:31 to 14:11 he was heavily pushing ritoky, I think in a desperate attempt to get the focus off king and onto somebody else. He gave it one last effort here: On June 13 2014 04:11 Chromatically wrote: It's not even worth it for me to push for ritoky if people don't want to go for it but I just think the case is watertight. But after this point I think he and the mafia saw the writing on the wall. So after 14:11 it's damage control mode. On June 13 2014 04:26 Chromatically wrote: It doesn't though. The whole point is that ritoky isn't actually pushing on me. He's not trying to get me lynched at all. He just doesn't post about anything other than me, which is super scummy. AND he always responds to questions at him but never does anything. I'm trying to show the active lurking thing with quotes but I can't figure out how the timestamps work. It's something I noticed when I was talking to him. I would say something and he would immediately respond, and then some time later I would say something and he would immediately respond, but post nothing in the meantime. Someone else noticed it too (I thought it was JAT but it's not in his filter), I can't find the quote. I'm not going to defend Cats because he's pretty awful too. I just think my case is like a surefire scum lynch. No town does the things that ritoky does. On June 13 2014 04:28 Chromatically wrote: case on Cats >>> case on Kush Kush is like a 100% coinflip, he's just one of the people not playing. On June 13 2014 04:31 Chromatically wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats Half an hour left and ritoky's not happening. I'll look at kush's meta and stuff but I really doubt he's going to be a better lynch today. I think after 14:11, Chrom accepted that he was going to lose a teammate and decided that transitioning to the KotC wagon was his best move to stay alive. He never really says why he agrees with the KotC case, or anything about it really. Not even in the same ballpark as how much he said about Ritoky. Based on what I've presented here, I think we should lynch Chrom next. I'm not 100% sure, but short of being the seer I don't think there is a 100% sure in this game. Perhaps I'm naive in thinking mafia would switch an obvious mafia vote once it was determined it was unavoidable that mafia would die. But I think I'd try to do something similar if I was mafia, especially on the day 1 lynch. So that's my piece, let me know what you think. I think if you read chrom's filter since the lynching, he's pretty obviously trying to divert people from suspecting him. But for a townie, he sure is thinking an awful lot like a mafia. ##Vote Chromatically | ||
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Dun know what you're big problem is with me, but I don't see you doing a whole lot. I've never claimed to be great or that I'm going to be able to solve the game. Please, let me here some great wisdom from gumshoe. If you're going to call me out, Let's see what you have to say. | ||
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On June 15 2014 07:11 Rainbows wrote: I will oblige you in diction. I read Exo slightly as wolf. Part of me can't put a finger on it--but KotC townread him for no reason at the beginning of D1. He had a case on Chrom who I believe is town. His day 1 play was lackluster from what I remember. SnB is slightly more townie after the lynch, but I'm still suspicious of his inactivity and ability to do nothing today (after all--if he is town, he possesses the greatest amount of information right now, besides mafia or an alignment cop i suppose). Sandro and Matt I'm lumping together in a "would lynch because not doing much" label. I actually don't want to touch Kush right now cus cats wanted to lynch him I believe (noob scum probably dont bus, eh?). CR hasn't done anything besides say 'hey man, i like what you said about haru' today, and his play d1 i am still weary of. Keto slightly wolf as well but I won't give him a reason so he can complain about me not giving a reason :p only doing what I can. My case on chrom has been largely ignored without anybody giving me feedback either way. If the case is bad I'd like to know why, because I think it's quite good. Not perfect, but it's better than the other cases I've seen so far. You pointed out kotc called me town day 1: this is exactly what marv noticed. He said its more likely for a mafia to call a town a town than for a mafia to call a mafia a town. So who's conclusion is right? Perhaps I'm taking being accused a little too personally, but I don't think I look wolfy at all, and don't like being called it. | ||
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##vote kush joining Kush because I still believe in what I said day 1. I'm a little miffed at how I was ignored when I was actively trying to contribute and figure out how to improve my game to detect mafia, and then ignored again when I asked for somebody to point out the flaws in my case. But whatever Kush is the best bet here out of the candidates. | ||
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On June 16 2014 05:08 VayneAuthority wrote: shoot exo if you have KP you have the vayne guarantee lol, yeah that makes a lot of sense :rolleyes: | ||
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I'm not saying I think your scum, but after day 1 I find your day 2 play really, really odd and would like an explanation. | ||
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On June 16 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote: Updating where my reads are atm on everyone. Village: Tehpoofter Marv - obv, lock clear if he is a wolf we probably already lost Koshi - stepped it up considerably day 2 claiming vigi Roundabound - Casing my biggest wolf in ketomai, tone read on robik seems to be working on the village side Slam - sticking with my gut on slam probably least sure about this read ExO - Not use to the meta needs to step up more tonight/tomorrow if he wants to stay here he says he needs vote to analyse there has been plenty of that now ObiWanSmurf - Seemed to be following along at EoD and actively wanting to figure out who to kill actions seem to favor village. VA - Tried today a little bit seems to care at least moderately about the game and isn't just randomly throwing his vote on someone and afking for 48 hours Bunnies - replaced erradorr seems to have read up on the game and know where the thread is at. I find it hard for a wolf to replace into this spot and come out free talking like she is but her wolf game does fall off so look at her a bit tomorrow or the next day JAT - needs to stop sheeping marv only and find someone he thinks is wolf for his reasons. Lowest on the list because of a bit of weird interaction day 1 following marv's case on KoTC People who could be villagers: TicaTica - pushed hard on Haru at EoD if yamato is wolf insta lynch if yamato village he is okay until his EoD day 2 he was in the village not too worried but not green green. Rainbows - Tunneled a village that I read as wolf so good line of thinking but could be wolf pushing on a village would like to see where his reads are now Kush - kush is a hard read sounds like we might not need to worry about what alignment he is after tonight but if he lives need some improvement on activity. Chromatically - was going strong day one but has ended up off the wagon voting wise would love to see him EOD doing things as well as sticking out a bit more to me. I had him as village pretty hard day 1 but starting to think Koshi might be GOAT and pegged you day 1. ritoky - a bit too lurky his read on me wasn't awful and I don't blame him for the read although I'd like to see him evolve his reads a little bit more I'm kinda worried of a wolf who is just tunneling on some people unlikely to die to seem involved. People who need to talk about someone besides Kush: HF - Play the game your exam is over Kush is perhaps 1 of 5 wolves find the other 4 please. [pink]People who need to not be donkies with their votes and instead of just afking during EoD actually participate and try to convince other people they're right or wrong for some reason and not just stick a vote on someone and do shit all else: Batsnacks - I think your comment about your vote is legit one of the silliest things I've ever heard someone say about their voting patterns. Its almost too dumb to come from a wolf but I would still lynch you for it. You need to participate in the votes if you're a villager your vote makes a BIG difference EoD and if the village votes on 2-3 wagons only its harder for wolves to manipulate and makes analysis after we see some flips VERY useful. If you just vote one person and no one else you're not helping village EVEN IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE RIGHT ABOUT THAT ONE PERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I wish there was more colors so I could make you pink) [/pink] Lurkers that need to post more presumed wolf until proven town: Would kill these people gumshoe - Day 1 played Day 2 went into full Afk mode step up or step out. Sandroba - You are suppose to be good, I don't see it afking as wolf is lame your play in catastrophe impressed me. (I will say this you live in brazil if I remember right so if you're involved in the world cup just tell us if that shit was where I live I wouldn't be playing this game I'd be off watching games and enjoying that once in a lifetime experience) SnB - was the day 1 counterwagon to a wolf I'm most hesitant about lynching you but you need to step up your game or you'll make me start thinking it was Vanilla wolf vs Power Wolf MattisFoolish - Foolish I expect more tbh the day 1 read on MZ was weak. Your day 2 EoD was pretty good but there is 2 of you and you're really not even doing what 1/2 a person would do. Matt Is also really bad at being a wolf so makes me a bit leery Sinani206 - I forgot you were in the game until I read the player list. I'm actually going to filter dive you after this and see where I end up you might be in the wrong spot tbh. yamato77 - Talked to you earlier you perked up for a bit and showed signs of life but thats not enoguh you need to play the game not just sheep marv nad come up with things I've seen you paly before and I know you're capable of helping village out please do so. Wolves: Ketomai - I didn't like the way he responded to Round's case yesterday. He also has stated several times before that there was no case on him despite myself making a big case on him including a photo and everything which he ignored. I also don't see his reads evolving like I would expect a town's to evolve. I will be making a much larger case later but this is just a reads post. Chariman Ray - Vote on erradorr - IS MEGA SKETCHY you don't seemed concerned with solving the game. I will be doing a bit more on him later after Ketomai as well but want to keep this wall of text less wall more text. poofter I gave a big analysis on chrom, was ignored, asked for feedback and was ignored. I hate to sound like I'm beating a dead horse, but if nobody is gonna give me the time of day to even consider what I say then why bother making a big analysis again. If people thought I was wrong, I wanted feedback on why I was wrong, not silence. | ||
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On a side note, watching the video mafia tonight, gonna be taking notes! | ||
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On June 16 2014 10:27 justanothertownie wrote: Slam: I have no idea how you people are reading him. Exo: Don't really get a townread here and you gave no reasons for it. Explain? Me: Things on my own? Like my KotC read? I was scummy on him before marv. And I certainly won't stop sheeping marv if he keeps going after targets I agree on. MIF: What about their day2 was pretty good? Rest is somewhat ok for me. What I think about your reads: Marv: Pretty much agree, though his day 2 is really strange to me. Gonna need to see his day 3. Koshi: Also agree though sometimes his posts can be...poorly worded? Still likely town Round: Don't have a really good read Slam: At the start of day 2 I was leaning mafia on slam. He was spammy, avoided the KotC wagon, and he was a part of the earlier SnB wagon that almost went through. Now I'm not so sure, I haven't really payed too much attention to his day 2 postings. So slightly leaning mafia, but just slightly Obi: Null VA: I have no idea what his alignment is but I find his spam to be unhelpful and annoying. I wonder if he actually finds himself funny or is just trolling. Null read, but I don't really like him. Bunnies: seems nice so far, but have no way of knowing yet JAT: JAT has been on my ass all game. I have no idea what I did to make him think I'm a wolf, but he has been pushing me for 2 days straight. My knee-jerk reaction is to say that makes him mafia, but I don't think I can do that. He could be town and just really think I'm mafia. So I'm leaning mafia on JAT, but I think my opinion might be biased. TicaTica: I get a town read off tica, really seems a lot like Koshi to me Rainbows: I know I should have more of an opinion on him, but he's null for me. I need to read a bit more about the discussion around him. Kush - Similar to VA, only more of a waste of space. I don't understand if he's town why he's trolling like this, so I'd say mafia or just somebody trolling and not playing to win. Lean mafia Chrom: Biggest scumread I've had all game ritoky: null HF: leaning town. I suspected him a little bit after day 1, but his day 2 play was alright. Looks townie to me Batsnacks: leaning town, but not by a lot. Gumshoe: Likely mafia. I'm not sure really what it is, but I think he's paying attention unlike the other lurkers. I think he's lurking mafia Sandroba: Null SnB: Null read, but if mafia had one guy nominated only for it to swing to KotC, that just sounds flat out horrible or extremely mind-gamey. So good chance of him being town, but based purely on his play it's a null read Mattisfoolish: also unsure. Sinani206: Leaning town, but he's very inactive it seems like. Could be lurking mafia, but I don't get that vibe from him as much. Yama: Day 1 was leaning mafia, but I think he's back in neutral ground for me. Ketomai: Perhaps I need to read his filter, but I've never really understood the super strong case for him being a wolf. I didn't really read his stuff closely but I didn't get really feel like he was a scum when he was first defending himself after being accused. I probably need to dive his filter and figure out just why a seemingly large portion of players here think he is scummy ChairmanRay: I agree. His play day 1 seemed wolfy to me, and the vote today seems wolfy. Likely Mafia. | ||
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##Vote: gumshoe | ||
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On June 17 2014 12:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote: so we arent going to hold them accountable for playing terribly, whereas gumshoe has a history of not giving a shit? k. I'd be down to switch votes, but I don't have a better option than sheeping marv at the moment. I really don't like how many people are lurking/spaming useless shit, but there's so many it's hard to know who to go after. | ||
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On June 19 2014 15:51 Chromatically wrote: I need to look more into ExO, I thought he was town earlier but then he totally dropped off. Right now CR and ritoky are my top reads. I'm keeping up with the thread, but right after I got active it seemed like the game went downhill. Yesterday was a disaster :/ | ||
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On June 20 2014 06:33 marvellosity wrote: need you to play a bit more than you're playing atm buddy. I am playing. I tried being super active and talking, and that didn't do anything. The people in charge are the ones making short posts spamming and voting all over the place. That seems to be effective this game, so I think I'll stick to this. I'll continue to do what I can for town and to win, and I don't see anything else I could post that would help. Or do you want my advice on who I think is mafia and why, because let's face it last time I gave that nothing came of it in the slightest. | ||
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##Vote: ninjabunnies | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:36 Chromatically wrote: This is a lie, I am miller(/tracker). N2 - gumshoe, N3 - CR, no results. ##Vote: ritoky If you are miller, why didn't you claim at the start? | ||
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However Chrom says he's miller, which means the alignment check would've come back mafia. So this most likely means ritoky is lying, and therefore mafia? Chrom I'd like to know who you followed at night if you are miller. | ||
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What about the other nights? | ||
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Went into your filter and found it, what you quoted wasn't it though bold move by ritoky, unlucky for him that you turned out to be miller. If you weren't miller we would've just lost right here. | ||
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On June 21 2014 07:08 ritoky wrote: as opposed to sitting through 50 total post day phases where the only thing said is "lynch lurkers!" now mind you i wasn't really helping that the last day phase. but i play mafia for fun, and this game had reached a 0 fun level for me. like i said, it ended up being a bad play, and i expect to be lynched for it, but at least the game is more fun and alive again. sounds like you are mafia, and conceding at this point. | ||
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Also has anybody stepped up and claimed to have the role that Ritoky was fake claiming? | ||
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more likely to slip poison into his IV me thinks | ||
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although if you are seriously claiming medic, I'd be interested to know which version of the medic. the normal one or the droid facsimile maker medic thing | ||
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On June 22 2014 13:25 27ninjabunnies wrote: Wouldn't you like to know. Also, I would never poison rob. We are best friends irl. Duh. Yes, I would like to know. If you are claiming medic and not just being sarcstic/playing around/whatever, then it shouldn't matter should it? | ||
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On June 22 2014 14:07 27ninjabunnies wrote: Sure. Let's just out more blues so your mafia team can role hunt. Im not claiming medic. But im not not claiming medic. Im also not claiming cop, nor not not claiming cop. sarcasm is amazing. Just to be clear, I was asking under the impression you were claiming medic already. For purposes of outing and killing blues, specifying which one you were wouldn't matter from a mafia perspective. So if you were claiming medic, it shouldn't matter if you were to specify which one right? Your reaction to my question was quite revealing though. | ||
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edit: and to add I'm upset that nobody took me seriously on my huge day 2 chrom post :/ pretty sure my medic play wasn't great though | ||
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