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if any1 has any recommended portions that are "must read" let me know, as no guarantee i will be able to make it through 30 or so pages before i have to sleep. | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote: In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game. I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass. At the time, I don't feel like JAT had done anything that was alignment indicative in the slightest, so I don't really know why Chrom would ping sinani for a read on him. I just think in some regards you were baiting him. However, sinani's response is pretty horrible imo. It reads forced, noncommittal, and not really substantive. I think JAT was right to pounce on it and for good reason and I think he seems more town for it. | ||
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On June 12 2014 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Marv (and possibly others. I just saw marv doing this): Tone down the vitriol a bit. Calling someone terrible does technically relate to the play and I'm permitting that, but don't let it get out of hand. Or I will start handing out modkills with little to know warning. No personal attacks, though. little to no* | ||
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And I didn't like your explanation. JAT made a joke/dodged sinani's question and you have this expectation of him that he was supposed to get a strong read off of it. His response is crap, but sinani says he dodged it and has to go. Then you criticize him for not scum hunting.....the guy just said he was leaving? | ||
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On June 12 2014 05:00 Chromatically wrote: Did I really? Funny, I don't remember that. I expected that, if sinani thought that JAT's post was weird enough to ask him a question about it, sinani would mention the post or the question in some way in his read on JAT. He doesn't, and posts something highly noncommittal instead. And, again, this is all in the first few hours of the day. But sorry, I forgot that leaving the thread excuses you from scumhunting. You're right, we should all start hunting scum while we have no accessibility to the thread. Also, you contradicted yourself in here. Just sayin. I don't particularly like sinani's response either, as I said, it was forced noncommittal, and lacked substance. But I do agree with Koshi to some degree; I think your asking of the question in the first place is suspect. And then your follow-up is way too strong in proportion, it reeks of TMI to me. | ||
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On June 12 2014 06:43 Tehpoofter wrote: I just think that you are a smart/good enough player to realize you might just be very off. Especially if a lot of people are not reading the same especially when you have a scum read in a game so large on one of the more active players. I may have read it last night and forgotten but what was the reason you're voting MZ? Idk, I am reading the thread fairly similarly to koshi. Maybe not so much on who he thought was town in his earlier posts, but his top 2 scum reads are MZ and chrom, and I agree with both; chrom for similar reasons, MZ for somewhat meta reasons. The response of the read by chrom is just off. He gets wayyyyyy too strong of a scum read off of nearly nothing from sinani, it just doesn't sit well at all. And in regards to MZ, all he said in response to my freedom post (which was specifically directed at him) was "good to see ritokys town". I expected at least a murrica joke or picture in response. But moreso he just oozed town last game and I don't get those same vibes from him. Plus his posting style is much different, much more restrained. Just feels off. | ||
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On June 12 2014 06:50 marvellosity wrote: could you answer my previous question to you pls? sorry, must have missed it. TMI = too much information? as in chrom has more information than me, as in he knows whos mafia and whos town, as in he's mafia. is that the explanation you were looking for? | ||
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On June 12 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote: but if it reeks of TMI, the only logical explanation is that Koshi is mafia. otherwise it doesn't make sense. what else am I missing? ? that post was about sinani, JAT, and chrom? I was talking about how I felt Chrom baited out sinani into giving a crap read on JAT because JAT hadn't really posted in the thread much; then he disproportionately reacted to the read given by sinani and claimed a STRONG scum read from it. How any1 gets a strong read at all from sinani's early filter is beyond me. So I think he is working with some excess info. | ||
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On June 12 2014 07:33 marvellosity wrote: yes i got the wrong name. what extra information do you think he is working with then? that's what i'm getting at. what extra info does he have that leads him to question it more forecefully than you think is warranted Your logic here is circular. I just said chrom was mafia about 30 seconds ago. I think he either knew sinani was town and was trying to get in easy points or he knew sinani was mafia and was trying to bus early, either way the scope of chrom's reaction is bs and he is probably scum. And question it is being generous. He didn't really question it, he just claimed massive scum read. | ||
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On June 12 2014 07:37 marvellosity wrote: that's just random baseless speculation though. you can't say something reeks of TMI and then not even have an opinion on what the information is, that's ridiculous. it's quite a leap to go from "this reaction is over the top" to "this reeks of TMI" i fail to see where the logical leap is. someone asks a question, someone gives an inconclusive answer imo, the person who asked concludes something extreme from the answer. to me that indicates that he has some information that i don't. if you don't see that then i think you need to freshen up on your logic. | ||
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On June 11 2014 07:02 Chromatically wrote: Yeah sinani is scum because his mindset doesn't make sense with what he's done. On June 11 2014 07:03 Chromatically wrote: Tica also scum for soft defending sinani without actually reading what my case was on. On June 11 2014 07:34 Chromatically wrote: As town, I would expect him to show an interest in finding scum by asking questions that actually do things, rather than simply "trying to get involved" (scum mindset, wants to look active). Here are just a few, I can keep going if you would like. You got such a strong read that you pinged everyone in the thread for their thoughts on him too. And you take the time to mention how he is scum in most of your posts. I would call that a disproportionately strong read from not very much. | ||
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On June 12 2014 08:58 Chromatically wrote: ritoky is a great second lynch if Koshi isn't happening. I like marv's point too. I think I would go for a megalurker/someone who's not playing the game lynch after that. OMGUS, the scum hunting mindset you been talking about? Look, if you don't think that calling someone mafia for simply defending sianni (tiatica) qualifies you as having a strong read on sianni, then it is a difference of definitions. I think the proof is easily read in your filter. | ||
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On June 12 2014 09:35 Chromatically wrote: How is it a difference of definitions if I'm scum? Wouldn't it be me purposefully misrepresenting my play? Because I feel that the case I have already made follows very easily if you view what you gave as a strong read. I think you did. I can say it again, but it isn't going to change. I think you gave a disproportionately strong read on sianni from a pretty inconclusive response (I thought it was slightly scummy at best). In order to make said conclusion from not very much I feel you have extra information. The only people with extra information right now are mafia. Since then you've done nothing to alleviate my worries about you, you've been hard defending and OMGUSing (which is completely contrary to the scum hunting mindset you were critical of sianni for). And how is this not the exact same thing that you were critical of sianni for? On June 12 2014 09:41 Chromatically wrote: I think ketomai totally depends on what he posts next. The thing that happened in thread could have easily been a townie startled by people jumping on him before he starts playing. I agree that it's weird that he feels like he has to vote between round and Exo, but it's not really scummy..? He could have easily left his vote on himself and that would draw less attention. What he posts next is the important part. On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote: Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red. You just did the same exact non-committal thing. "Could be red, wait and see what happens"; that's not the scum hunting mindset you were preaching. | ||
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On June 12 2014 10:01 Chromatically wrote: Once again, your extra information thing doesn't make sense. The only way I would have extra information about sinani that would give me a "too strong" read would be if we were scum together. The difference between what I posted and what sinani posted is that ketomai has probably not started playing the game yet, making trying to read him rather pointless. sinani's read on JAT is completely noncommittal and overqualified, which you and many others have agreed on. Comparing what we posted doesn't say anything about my alignment anyway (at best it would make me a hypocrite), so there was really no reason at all for you to include this. You can call it OMGUS if it makes you feel better, but that doesn't make the points against you less strong. Anyway, I think this conversation is no longer useful at all and that I've made my case sufficiently clear. Your read is exactly the same as the bolded portion. And hypocrisy and inconsistency can be scum mindset indicators, so I think they are relevant. And personally I don't think you have a case, hence why I think it is an OMGUS. You're defensive and OMGUSing which is the opposite of the mindset you were pushing others to have. All of that just adds depth. | ||
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the basics of what i got from the stuff since i have been gone are this: marv - town as fuk Chrom - still mafia, dunno how it isn't blatantly apparent. i mean look at his attempted push off of his scum teammate onto me, then he just gives up when he realizes it has no traction and tries to buy back some town cred. he doesn't even give a good reason when he switches back, he just does it cuz it is the thing people are doing. not a town mindset in the slightest. i am not really sure what that makes HaruRH though. cuz i am pretty certain the chrom was mafia trying to start an OMGUS push against what he perceived as low hanging fruit to bail out his teammate. i haven't really figured out whether the mafia would commit 2 people to that push to try and get it going or if Haru legit had a crappy town read and sheeped. he's someone who's filter i would like to examine after sleep. Koshi - i actually like koshi a lot less now than i did yesterday simply for 1 comment he made: "thread sentiment". now i get when you tunnel on someone who you think is mafia really hard and everyone else who you read as town sees thinks the guy you're tunneling on is town; and doubts can start to creep into your tunnel. but (at least for me) that happens down the line a bit a couple or more days, and usually accompanied with said explanation. but he just backed out of the read on chrom and some of his other ones a bit too fast. i don't know if i would call him scum by any means, but his stock be falling for me. idk, flipping a read for "thread sentiment" doesn't seem very town mindsetty...just seems like caring about appearance. and i don't remember who asked the question that prompted that response, but they just seemed okay with it afterwards, like it wasn't an odd response. idk about that. Thepoofter - i think i will have a solid read on banks towards the end of the day. i have played 2 games with him, both he has been mafia, and both he did 100% the exact same thing on day 2. so either he will or he won't and i will read him based on that. Exo - the only other person who seems to have also noticed this deflection push of chrom's, he is probably town. i like his case added on top of mine. tl;dr - chrom still mafia + deflection push off his mafia buddy; haru needs a filter dive for being 2nd on deflection push; koshi changing reads cuz of thread sentiment is weird; exo town | ||
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On June 15 2014 03:45 Chromatically wrote: I don't really want to go through everything in this post because most of it is non-alignment indicative and/or I've already talked about it (my push on sinani, why I asked for Koshi's read on me, how I felt about Cats). If you have specific points that you want me to address, tell me. I think you're stretching a bit with your part about the lynch, though. You can certainly make the argument that my actions around the lynch were scum-motivated (although not if ritoky flips mafia as well), but it's not as clear-cut as you're trying to make it out to be. When I posted my case on ritoky, Cats had 9 votes and ritoky had 0. If I was scum, it would already BE "damage control mode"; the chances of swinging the lynch onto ritoky were minimal, especially as no one else had been really pushing ritoky all day. All it would accomplish is looking weird after the flip (yes, this is kind of WIFOM, but I think that's "wine that's harder to drink", so to speak). It seems to me like you're inventing a storyline to fit your conception when you add things like "Chrom clams up after this", "He's literally putting words into Koshi's mouth", and talking about preflip associations. I think you're downplaying the seriousness of your push to try and make a mockery of a very solid case. I think my case against you alone is still strong, but I think the push you made on me late in the day that exo pointed out and I noticed as well is even more damning. There was a guy with 8 votes on him a decent bit out from the deadline, and he wasn't just some mafia dude; it was a lynch that if it passed would reduce KP. If I was mafia, I would put in at least some effort to try and save KP. So in my opinion there had to be some wagon or some push that was made by mafia against someone to try and save the KP. My question to you chrom is, where was it? Was it the snb wagon etc.? My follow-up will be, why the hell aren't you pushing on those people then? Personally, I think that you and maybe Haru are the ones that tried to organize and make a push to save KP against someone you thought was low hanging fruit and could push with a crappy case. It didn't work out and you tried to run away and gain back town cred without anyone noticing what you did. I just don't see the mafia (even if it is day 1) letting KP reduction happen significant contest, and I think you were the one who tried to push it moreso than anyone on the snb train. voting on chrom, everyone else should too I said I would come back with a read on banks in a bit, and I will deliver. It is entirely a meta read so take it with a grain of salt if you don't like meta reads. In the previous 2 games I have played with him he has come out as super town the first day phase both games and very easily lands in most people in the thread's top 2-3 town list. Then during day 2 he pretty much disappears. He goes from pushy, full of questions, and with substantive reads to pretty much not that. The most important thing imo though is that during day 2 of these 2 games he's been mafia in a row (and a lot of his video mafia) he does 1 big thing on day 2 as mafia: he doesn't push lynch targets and instead defers to others to find primary lynch targets. I think he is doing that again today. On top of that I have a tiny thing I have noticed from watching some of his video mafia and being in a couple forum games that he does on day 2, it has been 100% accurate of him being mafia in 2 forums games and its about 70% accurate of him being mafia when he does it in the video games I have seen. And he just did it recently. I think he could very likely be mafia here, but I would never push him over chrom who is obviously mafia at this point. Regarding Haru, I think he came out the worse of the exchange with rainbows, especially that "I'll drop it if you drop it" comment. If you think he is scum then no you shouldn't drop it. He could very likely be a scum buddy with chrom, as they did go together in on the wagon on me that exo pointed out. Also I saw some votes on sandroba? Is that supposed to be policy lynch? Cuz I don't know why you would waste those votes, the guy is damn near being modkilled from inactivity at this point. His filter isn't even on the 2nd page. I also really want ticatica to get active as he is one of my strongest town reads from a few things, but mostly this post: On June 13 2014 03:31 TicaTica wrote: I'm not sold on the King lynch but it's far from awful. I'll consolidate on it if needed versus say SnB. But I'm pretty sure Marv will get his way regardless so I'll do what I want. This is after he votes on ketomai. I think this post is 100% unnecessary if you are mafia. There's about 10 votes on the guy, he is obviously going down; so if he was mafia I feel like he would just take the free town cred like chrom did. I really want him to get more involved in the game. Plus he voted for ketomai who I wouldn't exactly be opposed to lynching. Ketomai voted on snb over KoC for not a particularly good reason. I didn't like his read on koshi, sinani, or exo when he gave them. If there's a world where the mafia were on the snb train to try and save KP instead of the whole chrom push thing, then this guy is probably one of them. Although I think chrom is more surefired mafia. tl;dr - just vote chrom | ||
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On June 15 2014 15:21 Holyflare wrote: I like how ritoky spent paragraphs explaining a poofter read that I've said in one sentence. Anyway, ritoky, yyou're accusing chrom of being mafia for trying to save his mafia team mate cats from being lynched by pushing low hanging fruit. Why would he push you who has 0 votes instead of joining the snb wagon and pushing that or the kush wagon and pushing that. Unless of course you think all 4 are mafia. you obv haven't read the previous stuff. it's just 1 more straw on the already large pile that i have already made. also funny how you made the read after me though. JUST SAYIN. | ||
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On June 15 2014 15:51 Tehpoofter wrote: VA for him actually played today he moved off my scum list too. never played with him, but what do you think of his vote on me in the vote thread without posting anything about it or a reason in the thread? | ||
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3 hrs ago i think? | ||
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Those who voted to lynch mafia d1: TheKingOfTheCats (11): marvellosity, Palmar, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi, Koshi, strongandbig, VayneAuthority, Bill Murray, sinani206, Chromatically, Tehpoofter Those who voted to lynch town d2: HaruRH (7): Rainbows, Chromatically, TicaTica, Koshi, marvellosity, justanothertownie, mattisfoolish People who lynched mafia yesterday that voted on confirmed town: - 4 - marvellosity, Chromatically, justanothertownie, Koshi Where the rest of the people who lynched confirmed mafia voted: - Yamato77 - 2 - ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter - Dead - 2 - Palmar, Bill Murray - DNV - strongandbig - ritoky - 1 - Vayneauthority - Ketomai - 1 - sinani206 Where the rest of the people who lynched town today voted yesterday - Rainbows - strongandbig - TicaTica - ketomai - mattisfoolish - Meapak_Ziphh People who have voted on the 2nd largest wagon both times: - 1 - Alakaslam People who have never voted on one of the 2 largest wagons: - ritoky - Chromatically, Chromatically - yamato77 - VayneAuthority, kushm4sta - sandroba - ExO_, DNV - gumshoe - Chairman Ray, DNV Will hopefully post some interpretation of some of this in my reads coming soon. | ||
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Top town circle: Koshi, JAT, Marv Other town peoples: ExO_, TicaTica, roundabound The tri-fecta or weird feelings: Holyflare, Tehpoofter, VayneAuthority - These three (Holyflare the least of the 3) are fence leaning scum for me based on a couple of things; the first being a very odd interaction in the game. Holyflare begins to make a list of mostly unproductive/inactive people that he wants to lynch, which isn't out of character for him. Although in cell mafia he was yelling at inactives and criticizing people a lot more for lack of reading comprehension, so there's something to be said for that. Anyways, Holyflare posts this: On June 15 2014 15:39 Holyflare wrote: Look, we vote sandroba because not playing the game is his mafia meta. We vote kush because he's actually playing his mafia game. We look at poofters play in the last bit of today because he is playing to his mafia meta atm. We can look at gumshoe because he really isn't doing anything and his posts have been contentless and not driven to solving things but rather just agreeing with people that something looks weird. We probably push snb because his posts are non posts and he's afking the day pretty much too, his flip would also give loads of info. The people making these long tunnel cases chrom, rainbiws, haru etc etc are most probably town and they're all so tunneled they are ignoring the actual people doing scummy things To which I point out, if he is making that list then why did he omit VayneAuthority: On June 15 2014 15:51 Holyflare wrote: Because he's done nothing and slipped my mind? I also don't know him well enough to say an alignment. And to be fair, I could very easily believe that which is why I feel this interaction is the least weird for Holy, although he is far less critical than the last time when he was town in cell. However now we get to the strange part. VA comes back to the thread because there is a slight bit of discussion about him and posts this: On June 15 2014 15:58 VayneAuthority wrote: i got a teamliquid message that people are mentioning my name in this thread, what the hell guys you woke up my alarm i was sleeping fuckin teamliquidz Then doesn't address a single thing and just leaves again, which gave me very strange feelings about him; but it was really set off when this happened. On June 16 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote: VA - Tried today a little bit seems to care at least moderately about the game and isn't just randomly throwing his vote on someone and afking for 48 hrs. This read is bullshit to me. 1st, I don't see where the hell VA tried at all today; and I also don't see the level of caring. This is a forced read with very little justification to me. And I had a meta read on you yesterday as being "wolfy"; and this read just made me begin to trust that read a little more. I wouldn't be surprised if banks and VA are wolves together in the slightest. No bueno people - Chairman Ray - His votes don't line up with his play. He said he had a case on roundabound and Haru, yet he didn't really push those cases at all. He doesn't really seem to be hunting scum, and I read a lot of his posts as very passive. - Sinani - Was active, then got criticized for his play and got called scum and as a result has responded with shallow posts and inactivity. Makes me believe he is trying to hide. At one point I forgot he was even in the game. - Ketomai - I read a lot of his posts as summarizing, recaping, and saying a lot of non-committal information. Seems be going out of his way to remain Switzerland-like. Kill him with fire: Chromatically - Tried that push to save his scum buddy, all of the stuff I listed earlier; he hasn't really done anything to redeem himself in my eyes at all. He shoulda died so long ago it's not even funny. This is all I can do for now, as I have to go to work. I wanted to give reasons for town reads, but alas no time. If I am alive after the flip I will. | ||
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Is it out-dated/pre-written? I don't think a scummy act is ever outdated. People can do redeeming things, but a scum act is a scum act. Pre-written, no. Why do I read JAT town? Has to do with the voting block of 4 that voted on both lynches, and the timing of their votes in the voting order. Also his posts are pretty towny. On June 17 2014 04:56 roundabound wrote: Ritoky, why are you building a stronger "case" against your null leaning scum reads than against your no bueno people/kill him with fire? Well the kill him with fire case I have been posting about nonstop for days, so I figure its just repetition, the no bueno cases are a lack of time. The leaning scum reads are on the up and up for me and could easily be firm scum reads by tomorrow. Also no one else has really made them yet, so I figured I would explain. Now I really have to go, gonna be late. | ||
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On June 19 2014 03:30 27ninjabunnies wrote: Do you know how hard that is from a phone. Read ritokys filter- its like 2 pages. He has a argument with another player- and then gives two posts of reads and afks again MIF, well he questions and talks about more people imo, though im not impressed with the fact my questions still havent been answered what questions? marv/JAT who should i vote on? MiF? | ||
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On June 19 2014 03:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: Questions i directed to MIF. Also, why not make your own decision? Weird you show up now. i looked through your filter for the questions, didn't find them. mostly found you trying to push a meta case w/ no evidence. on an unrelated note, you could very well be mafia. played 3 games with you, 2 you were town, 1 you were mafia. In the town games you post with conviction and use definitive sentences. in the wolf game you did a lot of "I don't know how i feel about x" or "He could be x or x". you been doin that this game. anywayz, not making my own decision because my decision is vote chrom until he is dead 8x. no1 else wants to, and that is very frustrating. so i am going to sheep the people who i read as certainly town. | ||
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nope, not enough time before deadline to read 27 pages or so | ||
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On June 19 2014 03:54 27ninjabunnies wrote: Ive used definitive sentences this game. I think you are mafia. I also have CR, batsnacks, MIF, Sand, and gumshoe on y radar, as well as holyflare. My case isnt huge on you, i know, but i cant really make a big case from my phone right now, so im putting out thoughts as i see them. Also, how is anyone going to vote chrom when youre not even here to push the case on him, and he has done a bit more than you have. You are mafia, end of story you are wrong, end of story. | ||
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On June 19 2014 03:57 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I think you are able to figure out who marv and me are voting. I won't tell you to vote someone else. Your call if you think this is the correct lynch. so are you telling me that you're not certain enough on it to say to me with any conviction it is the right lynch and i should be on board? | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:37 roundabound wrote: Is someone about to call me mafia for trying to figure out the game? Is this real life? Is that even a real thing? i am just going to say this much: people, including you have been pushing hard on lurkers. 3 lurkers just died, all vt. after it flips, the majority of the next targets posted by people thus far are more lurkers. you might want to re-assess your stances on a lot of the people you just cleared. | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:42 marvellosity wrote: do you think it's likely all lurkers are town? no, but they are coin flips for the most part imo. as you said, we need 2 sure lynches in a row now. so perhaps we shouldn't bet on coin flips. especially when there's obvious mafia like chrom about. | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:57 Rainbows wrote: round you are getting shot tonight. you shooting him? | ||
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i just made a lot of money thanks to costa rica :D | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:09 Chromatically wrote: FINALLY FREE how would you feel if i told you that you were town? | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:14 Chromatically wrote: I would feel very confused and would require an explanation. how would you feel if i told you that i tunneled you cuz i town read you day 1 and wanted us both to stay alive? | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:19 Chromatically wrote: ...is that what you're saying you actually did? Or are we still talking hypothetically? how would you feel if i told you that there's an alive green and an alive red in this game right now and you're one of them? | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:28 Chromatically wrote: ritoky, I don't really feel like playing around so... well i do, so all i am gonna say is that you and 27nb aren't sippin da same cool-aid | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:30 marvellosity wrote: na, now you've said this, please be totally explicit. okay, you see one of them is drinking a substance known as lemon-lime kool-aid, as can be seen here: and the other is drinking a substance known as red kool-aid (not cherry, it's red), as can be seen here: | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:36 Holyflare wrote: -.- i am going to lynch you unless you talk coherently pls don't be bitter towards me, be bitter towards ticatica, it's his nation's fault (although the USA did kinda allow costa rica into the world cup) | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:39 Chromatically wrote: Which one is your red check? how about this, now that you know 27nb and you aren't the same alignment, could you go read her filter and give me some thoughts sir? | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:36 marvellosity wrote: when did you make these checks? where is your 3rd check? chrom 1st 27nb 2nd (sub with no posts or voting record) 3rd check died last night. | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:42 Holyflare wrote: seriously are you fucking dumb? no i am not, are you? why would you not want to talk to 2 ppl with opposite alignments about their reads before you tell them as to gain more information from them? you mafia too? | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:44 marvellosity wrote: 27nb voted on day 2, pretty sure of that. pretty sure she got subbed in n2 after no votes by err for 2 days, i could be mistaken though. | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:46 marvellosity wrote: ritoky why did you let us kill town yesterday? because people have been setting up an easy low hanging fruit ML on me for days now, and every indication from you has been that our 1 protective role is a jailkeeper, not a straight doctor; i was in no threat of dying and wanted 1 more check. i also wanted you alive as long as possible, if i come out yesterday you die or i die. | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:58 VayneAuthority wrote: the charade is we dont know who the hell hte red check is on still because this guy is being a twat. although i am also leaning nb because that would make a hell of a lot of sense that one of the mafia was afk day 1 as they seemed to be in shambles i like my red checks with a side of information, why don't you? | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:02 marvellosity wrote: oh god it's Chrome because he asked Chrome to make a case on bunnies. oh well. 15 mins ritoky, don't let me down. could you tell me why it is such a big deal that someone basically just tjsalt ragequit? i don't think that wanting the 2 people who have opposite alignments to give reads before i give out the alignments is the worst play ever. so please explain it to me. | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:06 marvellosity wrote: because there are 11-12 people in the game who just want to lynch mafia, and you are stopping them for no reason. If I were the townie and you had checked me, I would know my alignment and I would tell you to fuck off and vote the other guy. i am stalling them with the hopes of getting more info so that we can lynch more subsequent mafia. because either i am going to be kept alive and roleblocked by the jailkeeper (no more checks) or die (no more check) | ||
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chrom is town, vote away | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote: Was this so fucking hard? You were gonna get absolutely 0 information. ##vote nb27 That kinda pisses me off too. I really though bunnies was town. fuck fuck fuck. i disagree, i think if people hadn't have stood in the way so obstinately that i would have. | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:15 marvellosity wrote: yes ritoky, but you think that and all the rest of the experienced players think otherwise. So either you're a newfound genius overturning all the knowledge of people with a wealth of experience, or the people with a wealth of experience might be right. them both typing anything before an alignment reveal, even if it is a refusal to talk, is better than them not typing anything before that imo. | ||
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they. are. already. in. the. thread. period. | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:30 Rainbows wrote: did he spam to kill chrom after n1? i kept saying he was scum, but i stopped trying to get ppl to vote on him. anywayz i g2g, be back in a few hrs. | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:42 Chromatically wrote: That's what I was thinking. ritoky was getting lynched very soon so why not try to save his buddy and buy a day. Maybe one of them is a PR as well. are you rescinding or godfather? | ||
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well, you wait until i post i have to go to counterclaim anything, which is shady. rainbows comes in and seems to know what's about to happen before it does, also shady. and you give no n1 check, also shady. so i am asking, are you rescinding or godfather? | ||
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yup, i am VT | ||
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3) the mafia is killing off active people in the night and pushing inactives during the day so that game had gotten stale w/ 0 info in it. | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:55 Rainbows wrote: if ritoky is town i am done with tl mafia forever. prepare to never play mafia again. | ||
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anywayz, have fun lynching VT; hope you can look back on this and gain some info. | ||
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chrom (GF), rainbows, 27nb cuz then it was just lack of confidence in my reads at that point. | ||
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as opposed to sitting through 50 total post day phases where the only thing said is "lynch lurkers!" now mind you i wasn't really helping that the last day phase. but i play mafia for fun, and this game had reached a 0 fun level for me. like i said, it ended up being a bad play, and i expect to be lynched for it, but at least the game is more fun and alive again. | ||
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On June 21 2014 07:11 roundabound wrote: If Chrome is GF, he accepts the green check and lives off of it for as long as possible. Why the fuck would he want to claim miller? That's like the dumbest play of all time. because if they lynch 2 townies in a row they win. he can get a ML on me, then its basically LYLO or MYLO the rest of the way. as opposed to letting her go and then you have to do a lot more. but yeah its probably the simpler world and he is what he claims. | ||
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On June 21 2014 07:12 VayneAuthority wrote: ive seen this kind of stuff on epicmafia before when i played there like 6 years ago or w/e most likely mafia, just going straight to AtE enjoy being wrong. | ||
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On June 21 2014 07:18 roundabound wrote: At least he didn't give the checks right away so that he got a reaction test out of Chrome...amirite? what are you talking about? chrom is like 90% the miller. read the interaction. i asked him "how would you feel if i told you i had a green check on you?" and his response is basically being flabbergasted. because that makes 0 sense to him. would say that's a pretty decent reaction test in regards to his claim. but hey, it was a bad play. move on and lynch you some more VT. | ||
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On June 21 2014 07:22 TicaTica wrote: Do you realize if both of them are town, if he is mafia and she is scum, if he is miller and she is anything OR if both are mafia and he is not GF this play fails horrendously? Like if you're town, this is your fault. It's quite possibly the worst town "big play" I've seen and that's on top of Moc fake claiming doctor to get the real doctor lynched and worse than FirmTofu fake claiming naive cop to clear himself as town while throwing dirt and questioning a real cop (kinda) with a real red check (kinda) on scum. you're voting on me, and this post seems to imply that you know i am VT. why do you know that? it's not as bad as you say it is; although it is bad a not really thought through. like i said, made the claim cuz the game was stale, dead, i wasn't having fun, had a strong read, and YOLO. get over it and try to figure out the game instead of complaining. | ||
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On June 21 2014 07:27 marvellosity wrote: The game wasn't dead at all. That said there's little point in berating you anymore gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. i think when i flip VT you might really want to look into 27nb and rainbows. rainbows seemed to know all to well what was about to happen before it did. | ||
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On June 21 2014 07:50 TicaTica wrote: No. You die. You made a god awful play regardless of alignment. That's what I'm pointing out. In any of the above situations your play is hugely detrimental to town and will likely end in you being lynched for sure instead of you being possibly lynched. Regardless of your alignment that's fucking terrible. I think you might actually be a dumbass and fake claiming. I'm so not going to bother trying to figure out your alignment. There's no point. If you're willing to do shit like this as town because #YOLO, #bored or #deadgame then you are not a player I want at endgame. You will lose the game for us. So if you're town, I'd rather excise the cancerous lesion than allow it to fester and make things even worse. The upside is that there's still a good chance of you being a dumbass scum trying to make a play when none in necessary. i am not the sensitive type, i have thick enough skin to not mind. but if you're actually town, you might want to tone down your rhetoric. you're going to get warned/removed from the game for calling someone cancer. if you're mafia, please continue. | ||
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On June 21 2014 10:02 27ninjabunnies wrote: Hahaha, I'm laughing so hard right now. He claimed a green on his top scum lynch, and a red on me, who wasn't even MENTIONED in his reads?! Look in spoiler below. + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2014 04:48 ritoky wrote: Well I promised reads, then I fell asleep. So here they are, as much as I can fit in before I have to go: Top town circle: Koshi, JAT, Marv Other town peoples: ExO_, TicaTica, roundabound The tri-fecta or weird feelings: Holyflare, Tehpoofter, VayneAuthority - These three (Holyflare the least of the 3) are fence leaning scum for me based on a couple of things; the first being a very odd interaction in the game. Holyflare begins to make a list of mostly unproductive/inactive people that he wants to lynch, which isn't out of character for him. Although in cell mafia he was yelling at inactives and criticizing people a lot more for lack of reading comprehension, so there's something to be said for that. Anyways, Holyflare posts this: To which I point out, if he is making that list then why did he omit VayneAuthority: And to be fair, I could very easily believe that which is why I feel this interaction is the least weird for Holy, although he is far less critical than the last time when he was town in cell. However now we get to the strange part. VA comes back to the thread because there is a slight bit of discussion about him and posts this: Then doesn't address a single thing and just leaves again, which gave me very strange feelings about him; but it was really set off when this happened. This read is bullshit to me. 1st, I don't see where the hell VA tried at all today; and I also don't see the level of caring. This is a forced read with very little justification to me. And I had a meta read on you yesterday as being "wolfy"; and this read just made me begin to trust that read a little more. I wouldn't be surprised if banks and VA are wolves together in the slightest. No bueno people - Chairman Ray - His votes don't line up with his play. He said he had a case on roundabound and Haru, yet he didn't really push those cases at all. He doesn't really seem to be hunting scum, and I read a lot of his posts as very passive. - Sinani - Was active, then got criticized for his play and got called scum and as a result has responded with shallow posts and inactivity. Makes me believe he is trying to hide. At one point I forgot he was even in the game. - Ketomai - I read a lot of his posts as summarizing, recaping, and saying a lot of non-committal information. Seems be going out of his way to remain Switzerland-like. Kill him with fire: Chromatically - Tried that push to save his scum buddy, all of the stuff I listed earlier; he hasn't really done anything to redeem himself in my eyes at all. He shoulda died so long ago it's not even funny. This is all I can do for now, as I have to go to work. I wanted to give reasons for town reads, but alas no time. If I am alive after the flip I will. Scum alert 101. Even if he rescended, and is VT this is a super bad play. Like wtf. Plus, I've been scum reading him since I've gotten into this game, and he claims a red on me?! He's never even mentioned in his filter at all that I was a scum read. And the fact he does this when CR is about to get lynched, makes me wonder if he is doing it to get off of a mafia member, more likely a pr. Ritoky, if you are town, that was the stupidest play ever. If you are mafia, well then gg, you just outed yourself. ##Vote: Ritoky yup you're 100% mafia, should stuck through the fake claim just to get you lynched. | ||
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i don't believe any of the stuff in your post really points to any reason why i am mafia though. bad play doesn't equal mafia. anywayz, like i said; when i flip VT, 27nb is like 100% mafia here. | ||
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step 1) let's read mafia thread step 2) nothing really interesting is going on here...it's the same people pushing the same exact reads on the same lurkers; and they refuse to doubt eachother step 3) i am bored, maybe i should liven this game up step 4) well i am pretty sure bunnies is mafia, maybe i should fake claim a red on her step 5) hey look chrom is here, maybe i should use my going hard on him as an excuse to keep a green check alive step 6) come out as cop too hard before getting reactions step 7) cascade into flames step 8) rescind claim step 9) probably get lynched for bad play | ||
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On June 21 2014 10:42 TicaTica wrote: Ok let's say I want to believe you. What was your purpose in this gambit and where were you planning to go with it originally and as things developed as it was playing out? Well the play was less so about green checking chrom, he was honestly just an excuse (it just turns out that part exploded); it was mostly about faking a red check on 27nb who had ascended to my top scum read pretty recently. So mainly it was a play to get a solid reaction out of her for the fake red check tbh. If she reacted well, I probably would have rescinded the claim. If she reacted poorly I am not sure if I would have rescinded the claim until the night phase. Hadn't really thought that far ahead. Just so happened that everyone was a giant dick about me outing everything immediately, and the fact that I mixed up the order of how I should have done things (newb mistake), that I couldn't get the response I wanted. That said, she ended up giving a terrible response anywayz, and I am regretting rescinding. I shoulda just stuck it out to get her lynched. | ||
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On June 21 2014 10:44 Chairman Ray wrote: I was just going to ask about this. Thanks for posting it ahead to time. Question, what did you mean in step 5? Also, if you decided to fake claim a red on 27nb before you went in, why didn't you wait for 27nb to be on? From how you came out, it sounds a lot more like you decided redcheck 27nb after coming out as cop. 27nb posted like an hour or 2 before I made the claim the she was around and babysitting (might have had times wrong) so I thought she was here. Re step 5: people were going to push for checks either before or after the reaction, it is not uncommon (at least where I come from) to half-heartedly tunnel on your n1 green check as a cop. plus chrom was in the thread so he could give response to the situation. | ||
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On June 21 2014 11:00 TicaTica wrote: So if you wanted to get bunnies' reaction, why would you start by asking Chrome about her? AdditionLly, why would you dick around with who you're red checking? What sort of alignment indicative responses were you hoping to get? You said you thought she was 'around' but babysitting right? Why not wait for when she posts or just red check her and wait until she gets here. All I see at this point is you trying to cover up getting caught red handed with more bullshit that doesn't add up whatsoever. Well I was confident in my read, but not confident enough to not rescind it if it didn't feel right when she posted, plus I would rather get it out there earlier so that people can actually talk about it and get information from the interaction; so waiting around for even later in the phase probably isn't good. And you're right, if I thought it through more and wanted it to be more effective I probably should have just asked chrom what his read on bunnies was or waited for bunnies to log on and ask her read on chrom. I didn't though, and I will live with that. | ||
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On June 21 2014 11:06 Chairman Ray wrote: I still don't understand your step 5 though. You are not the cop, so what does Chrom's green check have to do with anything? If you claim cop, people will ask for checks. They always do, even if you fake claim and rescind; they always ask for every check. So you need to have checks thought up. So I thought up a basic reason for a green check on chrom, mostly because he was here and I wanted to interact with him (since I had him as scum and every1 i town read had him as town). If you're looking for a good answer, you're not in luck. It was bad play. | ||
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On June 21 2014 11:04 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, so i was being town read, and now im on the top of everyone's scum list. And i see NO reasons as to why I am scum. Like no cases whatsoever. Its obv mafia are trying to push a ml on me, which leads me inclined to believe i have a few mafia within my lynch list. Trying to push a ML on you? There's like a unanimous vote on me. You know I am gonna flip VT and scared of the train coming for you tmrw? Why are you so defensive? | ||
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On June 21 2014 11:20 Chairman Ray wrote: I'm trying to see this from a perspective where the play wasn't planned well. So you needed to have some fake green check, I understand that. But to put your #1 scum as the greencheck isn't the something I can see you doing 'on-the-whim'. If I was cornered and needed to produce a fake greencheck right away, I would say marv. I'll give this some more thought, but things just aren't lining up atm. why would any1 night 1 check marv after he led the lynch on a mafia, even more a mafia that reduced kp? you wouldn't have been believed lol. | ||
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On June 21 2014 11:52 Chairman Ray wrote: I feel that if you are going to vote marv, SnB needs to flip first. The vote on day 1 was between SnB and a mafia. Would be extremely weird for marv to take the lynch off a town and onto his mafia buddy, costing them 1 kp. I can see him doing it if SnB was mafia though. I know you're supporting me bat, but I agree with this ^ | ||
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On June 21 2014 11:58 batsnacks wrote: I'm not saying you're wrong but lets be real. No one is going to switch off of ritoky because it's the easy answer and people want the easy answer. Ritoky made a mistake and now everyone gets to punish him for it. That's what people like doing. I don't think the easy answer is the correct one this time so screw the majority I'm voting marv for now. But if you cared about the town winning, and thought I was town, then why aren't you pushing a more plausible option? I am pretty sure marv is a lot of people's very unlikely to lynch list. If you just want to be here to say I told you so when I flip VT, then proceed. But if you actually care about town winning, I would suggest pushing a more plausible/likely to happen case. | ||
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On June 21 2014 12:10 Chairman Ray wrote: I'm glad we are keeping this case open though. There is so much information here that if we look enough, we can determine a very high likelihood if ritoky is town or if ritoky is mafia. Every lynch after this will be more of a coinflip because nobody will pull another ritoky. If we only get two mislynches, I sincerely hope this isn't one of them. It is, unfortunately I probably put you guys in MYLO the rest of the way. Sorry. | ||
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On June 21 2014 12:15 batsnacks wrote: Fake. I'm the real cop. I didn't check anyone this game because I respect people's privacy. fake, i am the cop, i have a green on chrom and a red on 27nb | ||
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if you don't believe i am VT, then replace "when i flip" with "in the world that i flip" | ||
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On June 21 2014 12:39 27ninjabunnies wrote: Anyone who immediately jumped on me, and anyone who immediately jumped on you. Also, one who has hard defended you to gain town cred. But this is on the speculation that you are not mafia. anyone isn't really names. why not names? | ||
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On June 21 2014 12:41 Rainbows wrote: Everyone not voting ritoky should vote Chairman btw. Id also vote him. do you have an updated case from recently on him that you can quote? and how do you think he fared in this recent chaos? did he move up/down on scum scale? same? why? | ||
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On June 21 2014 12:47 Chairman Ray wrote: If you have an idea on this, you can post it. If you flip VT, we'll take your reads into account, otherwise we'll just ignore it. The most likely case is that there's not enough people active to swing the votes in any other way. i think chrom is town, marv is town, ticatica is town and that's pretty much it out of the interaction. chrom is town cuz his claim makes sense imo, marv is town cuz marv, ticatica is town because of how ham he went to the point of almost receiving a warning/removal from the game. i think 27nb came out by far the worst, i think rainbows came out pretty shady, i think holyflare and batsnacks are a littlebit on the strange side as well. would have to re-read it all to give more detail. what about you? what do you think? | ||
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On June 21 2014 12:51 Rainbows wrote: last time i.made a case, on keto, nobody read it.i just dont care anymore cus only a few townies actually tried this game how is this a town mindset at all? lol. i guess you guys just do wanna take the easy way out and ML a town. | ||
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On June 21 2014 12:57 TicaTica wrote: I forget who it was that +1'd my case, maybe CR or Exo. But I didn't come out of my case thinking that it's a 1000% slam dunk. Like it's half association on unflipped players. I think it's a reasonable-ish set of points on both you and bunnies. Plus VA has an ok point on "me being so scum on you gives you an ok shot to be town." It was chairman ray who +1'd your case. | ||
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On June 21 2014 13:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i cant read into this mess at all. this is all complete unreadable nonsense. somebody hold me. you can't squeeze 1 coherent thought or read out of an explosion of activity? or you don't want to? | ||
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so you don't want to comment on the largest amount of activity in like 4 days, and we should believe you're town......why? | ||
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On June 16 2014 17:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: we need to focus on four things: a) pressuring the people who were off both wagons. b) pushing our reads within reason c) looking to understand where other players are coming from instead of just looking for opportunities to attack each other. d) playing the game. I started reading your filter cuz you literally have left nearly no impression on me at all this game. I came to a couple realizations: #1) you still leave no impression on me...and i am beginning to wonder if that's by design? #2) you've given very few reads #3) what you previously said is directly contrary to the advice you were giving town earlier. so have you adopted the not playing the game mentality? | ||
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On June 21 2014 13:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i dont give a shit about you because youre getting lynched with or without my input, and you probably gave the mafia a free pass for today. again. there, i actually gave you a read and thats way more than you deserve for the move you pulled. your lack of drive to solve the game in any way or even talk about the game is almost as bad. not quite, but almost. | ||
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can understand bunnies though, i have fake red checked her in 2 of the 4 games we have played together | ||
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i claimed one and the game promptly ended soon after due to mod error (she was scum). this one i messed up. so uhhhh....1 of them was halfway successful? | ||
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thought you got recruited the night before the game ended? | ||
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On June 21 2014 14:14 27ninjabunnies wrote: Nope, i didn't get recruited. oh, well in the end game listing i swore it said you got recruited...must have been part of that mod error. | ||
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On June 21 2014 14:22 Chairman Ray wrote: Was he town those times? Was it just as bad as this one? i've never not rolled town on TL forums. not a signle time. and she's not giving credit to my read on her, it was dead on in 2/3 games. to be determined after this game if it's 75% or 50%. | ||
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On June 21 2014 14:30 Chairman Ray wrote: If you've had this much practice redclaiming 27nb when you're town, I would expect a lot better this time. btw you still haven't responded to my question. who, outside of me, do you think looks most scummy from this entire interaction? why? | ||
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On June 21 2014 14:48 27ninjabunnies wrote: He just faked a red check on me. Without even having me as a scumread previously in his reads. And greened his top scumread. Why wouldn';t i focus on myself here. It has to do with me? that's not true, i said you tend to be mafia from a meta perspective when you use more passive phrasing and then pointed it out to you that you had used it in this thread. which you then promptly revised. also, i had been highly inactive in the thread since you joined the game. | ||
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On June 21 2014 15:13 27ninjabunnies wrote: IT's why you are last. Cause i tr you, but you could be mafia. You are an open book to me doesn't open book mean easy read? | ||
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On June 21 2014 15:23 Chairman Ray wrote: I'm not lynching ritoky for information. My vote is currently on ritoky because the way in which he came out as cop does not line up at all with a town fakeclaiming cop to pressure someone. to be fair though, the way i fake claimed cop is so bad that it doesn't really line up with anything. | ||
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On June 22 2014 01:38 27ninjabunnies wrote: Unless im reading what he said wrong, but okay. I didnt even act defensive! I laughed. Like what? ????? Have you even read your posts this thread? I had 11 votes on me at one point and you were being defensive in a post. I even said "I have a near unanimous vote on me, why are you being defensive?" | ||
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On June 22 2014 03:00 27ninjabunnies wrote: I believe that it is very possible that mafia jumped on the bw of me, me knowing that I am town. The only thing that makes it harder for us is of ritoky does flip town, who out of the votes on both of us is mafia See what im saying? So wait, if you think the mafia jumped on you; then your mafia list is among: marv, SnB, ExO_, roundabound, holyflare, and rainbows. And me of course. Last I checked this was pretty much every1 you were reading town save 1 or 2. Weren't you reading all of the lurkers as mafia? I mean, here ya go. On June 20 2014 01:13 27ninjabunnies wrote: I think i should be on the non lynch list. I think the for sure lynch list should be Ritoky CR Batsnacks VA and a few hours later it changed to this On June 20 2014 04:59 27ninjabunnies wrote: HF getting it the last few minutes of the night!!!! GJ buddy! Also, TICA, definitely on the list!!!! Almost forgot about that! And incase I die in the night, Ritoky, Batsnacks, Slam, Tica, VA, Keto, and (JAT cause I still don't want to let him slide for sheeping). Kaykay. None of those people that you listed as lynch targets. Not a SINGLE one has voted on you. | ||
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On June 22 2014 03:12 Holyflare wrote: you wanted me to not believe the uncc'd cop or what? Holyflare, I see you have also not cast a vote yet. If your vote was the only vote that mattered this day phase, who would you lynch? | ||
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On June 22 2014 03:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote: round, nb, and holyflare are my current scumreads. as for the other two, im lost. i really wish the hosts would update the dead list on the front page. maybe sinani, and maybe VA. idk. What are your thoughts on alakaslam? He has voted on the 2nd largest wagon every time, and his play basically mystifies me. | ||
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it would be nice if those in the thread could post their theoretical teams of 5 (or at the very least 4). hopefully shortly after the game ends i will be back with some thoughts on the matter as well. | ||
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Reds are confirmed mafia votes, greens are confirmed town votes, bolded greens are alive confirmed town votes (in my eyes at least), and black are everyone else. Going to look into who has been voting together from this to see if I can start finding a group of 5. As well as a couple other things. On June 13 2014 04:46 Amiko wrote: Vote Count - Day 1: ExO_ (1): sandroba, ketomai (2): Meapak_Ziphh (1): Mattisfoolish, strongandbig (4): Chairman Ray (1): VayneAuthority (3): yamato77, kushm4sta, Meapak_Ziphh Chromatically (1): ritoky ritoky (1): kushm4sta (4): TheKingOfTheCats (11): marvellosity, Palmar, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi, Koshi, strongandbig, VayneAuthority, Bill Murray, sinani206, Chromatically, Tehpoofter Not voting (1): Erandorr On June 16 2014 05:03 Amiko wrote: Day 2 - Final Vote Count roundabound (1): batsnacks, HaruRH (7): Rainbows, Chromatically, TicaTica, Koshi, marvellosity, justanothertownie, mattisfoolish Ketomai (1): kushm4sta (3): yamato77, Chromatically (1): mattisfoolish (1): ritoky (1): VayneAuthority Erandorr (1): Chairman Ray yamato77 (5): Not voting (5): sandroba, Erandorr, kushm4sta, gumshoe, strongandbig On June 19 2014 05:01 Amiko wrote: Day 3 - Final Vote Count gumshoe (3): mattisfoolish (12): ObiWanShinobi, strongandbig, ritoky (1): Ketomai (2): Sandroba (1): roundabound, Chairman Ray (1): TicaTica, Not voting (2): sandroba, gumshoe On June 22 2014 05:00 ObviousOne wrote: [center]Night 4 Final Vote Count - Day 4: Ketomai (7): ritoky (5): VayneAuthority, 27ninjabunnies (4): Not voting (1): TicaTica | ||
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On June 23 2014 09:38 Chromatically wrote: ritoky did you actually have me as town the whole game? Nope. | ||
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I began to reconsider it somewhere between the end of day 2 and the middle of day 3. Can't say exactly when cuz I wasn't particularly active in that period of time. And to be honest it wasn't anything you particularly did. Everyone I had as town was reading you as town very highly; so I decided to reconsider. I read your filter without the stuff from the first day and it wasn't as bad as I remember it being. That said you're not my highest town, especially since you're currently role claiming something that someone else is also claiming and we still don't know what kush was so there's some hesitancy to confirm you both. But I wouldn't lynch you today. | ||
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Vote Analysis: Roundabound - town (not lynched), town (not lynched), town (not lynched), town (not lynched) - lynches contributed to: 0 - townies voted on: 4 - mafia voted on: 0 - mafia voted with: 0 - most frequently votes with: Alakaslam, Obiwanshinobi (1) Chairman Ray - unknown (not lynched), unknown (not lynched), town (lynched), unknown (not lynched) - lynches contributed to: 1 - townies voted on: 1 - mafia voted on: 0 - mafia voted with: 0 - most frequently votes with: batsnacks, Obiwanshinboi, ritoky (2) Alakaslam - unknown (not lynched), town (not lynched), town (not lynched), town (lynched) - lynches contributed to: 1 - townies voted on: 3 - mafia voted on: 0 - mafia voted with: 0 - most freuquently votes with: n/a (has voted with almost everyone exactly once) ritoky - unknown (not lynched), unkown (not lynched), town (lynched), unknown (not lynched) - lynches contributed to: 1 - townies voted on: 1 - mafia voted on: 0 - mafia voted with: 0 - most frequently votes with: batsnacks, Chairman ray, Obiwanshinobi, Holyflare (2) Holyflare - town (not lynched), town (not lynched), town (lynched), town (lynched) - lynches contributed to: 2 - townies voted on: 4 - mafia voted on: 0 - mafia voted with: 1 - most frequently votes with: batsnacks, strongandbig, chromatically (2) Batsnacks - town (not lynched), town (not lynched), town (lynched), unknown (not lynched) - lynches contributed to: 1 - townies voted on: 3 - mafia voted on: 0 - mafia voted with: 1 - most frequently votes with: Obiwanshinobi, Chairman Ray, Holyflare, ritoky (2) Obiwanshinobi - mafia (lynched), town (not lynched), town (lynched), unknown (not lynched) - lynches contributed to: 2 - townies voted on: 1 - mafia voted on: 1 - mafia voted with: 0 - most frequently votes with: ritoky, strongandbig, batsnacks, Chairman ray (2) strongandbig - mafia (lynched), n/a, town (lynched), town (lynched) - lynches contributed to: 3 - townies voted on: 2 - mafia voted on: 1 - mafia voted with: 0 - most frequently votes with: Chromatically (3) VayneAuthority - mafia (lynched), town (not lynched), town (not lynched), town (not lynched) - lynches contributed to: 1 - townies voted on: 3 - mafia voted on: 1 - mafia voted with: 0 - most frequently votes with: n/a (has voted with 7 people once) sinani206 - mafia (lynched), town (not lynched), town (not lynched), town (lynched) - lynches contributed to: 2 - townies voted on: 3 - mafia voted on: 1 - mafia voted with: 0 - most frequently votes with: Chromatically, strongandbig (2) Chromatically - mafia (lynched), town (lynched), town (lynched), town (lynched) - lynches contributed to: 4 - townies voted on: 3 - mafia voted on: 1 - mafia voted with: 0 - most freuquently votes with: strongandbig (3) 27ninjabunnies - n/a, n/a, town (lynched), town (not lynched) - lynches contributed to: 1 - townies voted on: 2 - mafia voted on: 0 - mafia voted with: 0 - most frequently votes with: n/a (only voted twice and no overlap) | ||
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On June 24 2014 04:33 27ninjabunnies wrote: The fact that they still want to lynch me even when I've offered up the most information to help town (minus HF who offered up a bunch too) boggle s my mind. Seriously. Im not mafia, We lynch Ritoky, Batsnacks, OWS, VA, SNB, and CR and we win. There's only 1 VT in there, and 5 mafia. we have 5/6 chance of hitting mafia out of there unless I'm super wrong on HF being town. So there ya have it. Idk about this at all lol. | ||
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On June 24 2014 05:03 roundabound wrote: Like, he's clearly just making shit up and posting random tidbits cause he has nothing to fucking contribute. He's either the dumbest town to ever play on TL* or he's mafia. *I was his coach in his first newbie game. He's not the dumbest town to play on TL. what did i make up? from my understanding now you have to submit who you're janitoring in the night phase. so in order to janitor a mafia teammate, you would have to anticipate them dying in the night, and pre-emptively janitor them. it's not like the mod sends you a list of people dying after they have been killed and you get to pick one. at least in the process the mod described. | ||
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[QUOTE]On June 24 2014 04:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: [QUOTE]On June 24 2014 04:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: [QUOTE]On June 24 2014 04:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: [QUOTE]On June 24 2014 04:42 27ninjabunnies wrote: [QUOTE]On June 24 2014 04:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: [QUOTE]On June 24 2014 04:36 27ninjabunnies wrote: [QUOTE]On June 24 2014 04:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: even bunnies admitted that ritoky claims cop as a vt. so either youre not paying attention or both bunnies and ritoky are lying about their back and forth. the second scenario isnt even plausible. and you still only have four people in your list. if youre going to call those people mafia, give reasoning for why you think that. everybody is sitting around posting shitlists that accomplish nothing and dont convince anyone of anything.[/QUOTE] I never said he claims cop as VT, Im saying he claimed cop in one game as VT where he is wrong on me and I was town that game. I am also sayin that this game is SUPER different than the huge Golden Sun factional game. So him claiming cop in one game as VT doesnt mean he is doing it this game as VT. He could very well be mafia, and I think he is. [/QUOTE] wat[/QUOTE] What you were implying is that I say he always claims cop as vt. He did it in one game against me, where he was VT. And he did it this game, which I think he is mafia this game. So saying that I admit ritoky claims cop as VT is wrong. He did it in one game. And i think he is mafia this game. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On June 21 2014 14:21 27ninjabunnies wrote: [QUOTE]On June 21 2014 14:15 ritoky wrote: [QUOTE]On June 21 2014 14:14 27ninjabunnies wrote: Nope, i didn't get recruited.[/QUOTE] oh, well in the end game listing i swore it said you got recruited...must have been part of that mod error.[/QUOTE] Must have been, cause i never got a message. But anyway, it doesnt matter if I was recuited or not. You fake claimed red on me when i was town. Both times. And this time. Your read on me is awful.[/QUOTE] ?[/QUOTE] By both times and this time, i was implying this time was in the both times. He has faked a red on me twice. I think he attempted to do it this time as mafia, and his plan failed through. I've stated this multiple times OWS. Why are you trying so hard to bury me? [/QUOTE] So points I have against ritoky. 1. Not being normal town ritoky im used to. 2. Forced reads/ forced posts. 3. Green checked his top scum read and red checked someone who wasnt even in his reads. He actually never mentions me. 4. rescinds his cop claim and claims vt when he realizes his claim is going to shit. So, can you see why I am mafia reading ritoky?[/QUOTE] 1) you're right, but for the wrong reasons. 2) none of it has been forced, i tunneled on someone in GS just like i did this game, and i tunneled on someone in the newbie mafia just like i did this game. 3) you're wrong, i did mention that you were playing your mafia meta by speaking in the passive voice and giving non-committal answers, which you have since adjusted. 4) if i was mafia i would have stuck the claim out, take that for what you want. 5) question: 5 people are voting on me currently, are you wrong or are they all town? | ||
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On June 24 2014 05:18 27ninjabunnies wrote: The five people are Me- Vanilla Town VA- on my mafia scum list Chrom- Tracker Claim Sinani- Tracker claim Holyflare- top town read outside of claims So that's 4 town, and 1 possible mafia bus from my pov. i agree that you and holyflare are aligned, you have both been pushing lynches on lurkers all game. | ||
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On June 24 2014 05:22 27ninjabunnies wrote: Aligned as in both town. And It isnt my fault all my trs are active and the lurkers are scum reads. You people need to learn how to play better! yeah, people need to stop the mafia from lynching low hanging fruit. w/e if people honestly don't believe i am town at this point then the game is lost. just kinda done with "worst play ever" "worst player ever" "dumbest town ever" comments at this point. also looked into koshi calling his shot, he called it 2 and a half hrs before the deadline. the janitor was likely active between then and the deadline, but i doubt the people on right now are actually interested in finding scum. | ||
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6 on a wagon on me, i hope you guys think they're all town. they aren't. | ||
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wanted to push MLs on lurkers, complained all game long and did nothing about it, and earlier in this phase he made a post asking others to present cases on players to him; he didn't even bother trying to find scum. this guy is 1000% mafia. i like CR's post, i disagree on a little bit of it, but it has the right direction. anywayz, if you're town and you're voting on me. you're a donkey and about to lose. | ||
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On June 25 2014 03:12 Holyflare wrote: Ritoky if you think that I'VE done nothing then i shudder to think what you think the majority of people have done. you literally asked other people to make cases on people at the start of the phase. this is MYLO and you made a post clearly stating you're not actively pursuing scum, what am i supposed to do with that? | ||
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On June 25 2014 03:15 roundabound wrote: WAIT WHAT? You've been calling bunnies scum and her reaction scummy and she's you're #1 mafia of all time and she has 2 votes, which is closer than anyone else and you're gonna try to start a wagon on HF? Man, maybe HF is scum. i think bunnies is still scum, but during this phase she has done more to actively pursue her reads than HF. they are pretty much the same to me at this point, and i would vote on her. i mean, there's probably 4 if not 5 mafia voting on me right now. both had 2, bunnies has been slightly more town this phase, hf hasn't. and starting? HF had 2 votes before i was here. | ||
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On June 25 2014 03:26 Holyflare wrote: Your votes join batsnacks who has literally afk voted me and that's all he's done in 48 hours and cava who isn't making any coherent thoughts and is probably mafia. Nice to know you're so involved in the game. Not to mention your vote includes information about what I've done this game that just isn't true. I'll be making a case shortly if i wasn't shitting 24/7 if you're town you're a donkey. but let's just look into this even further. if you are right, which you're not, and i am mafia; then your 5 mafia are likely amongst the 5 people not voting on me. but 1 of them (alakaslam) has claimed a blue, so who's the mafia voting with you? | ||
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On June 25 2014 03:32 Holyflare wrote: If you think vote patterns make a difference at lylo you aren't really thinking at all. If there's 5 mafia then they just switch to whoever the fuck they want because people aren't consolidating. You also have many unanswered questions which is why people are still on you. Why did you colour kush green and say that you thought janitor couldn't target mafia when you were part of several conversations where people were explaining that kush could be mafia? i don't think i participated in any conversation where i talked about kush potentially being mafia. he was colored green because i thought the janitor could only target town. i have since consulted to mod, and discovered i am wrong. also, how could i have participated in those conversations? the day following his death was the day where i was afk for nearly the entire phase. | ||
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On June 25 2014 03:46 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451310-tl-order-lxvi-mafia?page=267#5333 the lies, so great they are. read the posts right around it, that's talking about how many blue roles we have left. everyone was assuming 6, and i had a cop read on kush. | ||
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