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On October 09 2014 05:07 jcarlsoniv wrote: dafuq we're not full owb Oh I saw the list of 11 names and assumed they were blanks that were filled in. Fuck it /in | ||
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On October 09 2014 06:20 Dandel Ion wrote: your fault for picking a name that looks like that tbh I knew before you even posted it that I was going to be "other pen guy" | ||
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On what merits sir? | ||
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On October 09 2014 08:10 MoonBear wrote: Ok after some talking to I'm /in yusssssssss | ||
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On October 09 2014 12:20 AsmodeusXI wrote: I'm in Gold. SIR. Edit: And my superiority will be hilarious when I'M THE FIRST TO DIE. You've got my vote. | ||
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Is the game going to have set, known blue roles, or is it going to be variable in some way? Because whatever system they used to determine roles in the newbie mafia games I played in was confusing as fuck. | ||
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Edit: Although I like the version of Innocent Child in this game instead of it just being announced at the beginning of the game. | ||
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On October 10 2014 00:23 Dandel Ion wrote: if you really want I'd strongly prefer questions be sent over PM once the game is underway, though. €: if the answer is relevant to everyone I'll post it in thread either way, and if it isn't I'll pm either way. Hmm I like the open questions because you can glean some stuff about people's alignments depending on what they ask. If you post the question will you reveal who asked it? Because I think that's important. | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:07 Dandel Ion wrote: miller can actually benefit town in some setups. that's kind of why i dont want them in the thread >.> I personally don't like it in this game because when I played newbie games it was hard enough to convince people I was town when I actually was and having a cop ID me as mafia would make it even harder haha. Haha interesting that we disagree there. But maybe since it's a newbie game it would be better for people to have free reign when it comes to asking question. Wonder what Wave thinks. | ||
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If that's how you feel about 'meta' reads I'm fine with questions not being asked in this thread. | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:40 jcarlsoniv wrote: Beginning D1 is almost always a shitshow. But it is what you make of it, I suppose. Yeah pretty much. A lot of meta discussion happens, at least in the newbie games I've played. | ||
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##Vote: No-lynch I've been busy pretty much all weekend with my Homecoming so I haven't even been able to read the entire thread. Also I thought I worked at 4 so I was going to read it in the morning but apparently I worked from 10-4 so now I'm stuck here till the lynch deadline. I don't feel comfortable calling for a lynch when I don't feel like I've had enough time to read and try to figure out motives. I realize this doesn't help the town very much but making baseless accusations isn't going to help either. Tolkien isn't wrong that I haven't helped much, but I'm actually going to have free time tomorrow and will be able to contribute. You guys only have my word now but that's the best I can give. | ||
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That said, even though ketchup is the one pushing back on Wave's play the most, I also think he's town. I can see how Wave's play could seem abrasive and confusing to newer players so I think ketchup is just seeing it as scum play even though sometimes it takes a strong hand to lead the town in the right direction. As far as scum goes I currently believe Asmo is scum. He's been fairly vocal but I don't think he's really contributed much of note. His actions around the lynch just seems a little off too. He switched off Ghandi just because of his long impassioned post that didn't really have that much substance. I think he felt comfortable pushing MB because it was clear a lot of people agreed it was a fine lynch and he could easily fall back on the defense of "he was a lurker anyway" when MoonBear flipped town. He did push MB early, but that was done to call him out for being a lurker which, again, can easily be defended. Pushing lurkers is important but it can also be a tactic for scum to actively look like they are doing town work. Also I don't like his post after the lynch. Just seems like he's trying to play up the fact he's a noob and his actions should be pardoned because he went about the first night wrong. Just rubbed me the wrong way. | ||
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On October 13 2014 12:37 Lord Tolkien wrote: Anything else? Nothing really else of note. Seemed like a pretty standard Day 1 from the mafia games I played. A lot of name calling and people trying their name, people calling out lurkers, ect. Had I been caught up with the game by lynch time I would have gone ahead with Wave and switched my vote. | ||
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On October 13 2014 14:01 ketchup wrote: How do you feel about tolkien? He has been active and fairly good to look into. What about Soniv? He has also made enough posts to get a feel for him I also agree with your view about Asmo's after lynch post. It felt very forced in an overly dramatic way. First impression of Tolkien was pretty scummy, but I think he's turned his play around. The biggest thing that makes me think he's town was how he was pushing for the random vote. It was pretty clear MB was the prime lynch candidate so if LT was mafia he could have just let him die. That would be a pretty ballsy play to give up a guaranteed town kill and risk a mafia kill just for the sake of looking town, regardless of the odds. Soniv I'm less sure about. He pushed for MB pretty hard and was sure he'd flip scum. Kinda like I said with Asmo, it's an easily dependable lynch because he was mostly afk and the lynch could be justified. Also Wave and Soniv have been pretty combative in this game and I think that's distracting the town a lot. I've already said I think Wave is town so this could be a scum play from Soniv trying to distract Wave from making meaningful contribution. I mean, look at his last couple posts, clearly this game is frustrating Wave (unless that's some next level mind games from Wave, but like I said I think he's helped the town more than not so far). | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:15 WaveofShadow wrote: 'Proof' I dunno I just have to decide if I'm annoyed enough with how people in this game have been playing to let you all attempt to lynch me, lose the game but be vindicated, or whether I actually care more about winning. Probably the latter. Well if you have that attitude in Day 2 you're negating my main defense of you that you're actually meaningfully helping the town :p I think you're getting overly frustrated because you're playing the game with so many newbies. This is not an easy game but just shutting down isn't going to help town win. Sometimes you need to explain to them why they are wrong. For example, being defensive doesn't necessarily mean he's scum. It's pretty much required in this game with how often people will go after you. If you go back and actually look at Wave's Day 1 play it doesn't really seem scummy. He tries to guide the town and the newbies kind of just spit in his face. Honestly I see why he feels discouraged, but I don't think it's time to give up yet. | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:14 Alaric wrote: Now you sound like day 1 Req. Other than that... welp. I was going to feel bad about lynching Moonbear (although more because his post upon returning seemed to imply RL stuff in the way of him playing) but then there was this Isaac-styled Night post and I had to laugh. Damnit Dandel. I still stand by my choice not to switch my vote, not because I necessarily think Ghandi is town too but because of the mess that discussion caused. I've got some opinions, but there's potential for them to drastically change once night actions are revealed so I'll keep the analysis/"update" for tomorrow. As for what happened in-between, few things I'd like to point out: Alzadar, not that I think you defending Wave is suspicious, but at this point I don't think it'll bring much. Since our goal isn't to keep the whole town alive but to lynch scum, it's better for us to accuse than to protect. The exception is when we're close to the deadline and we believe the current lynch is a contributing certified-town; the next deadline is 50+ hours away and I personally don't think Wave's in any real danger to be lynched, so we're better off letting that slide for now. Cixah is most likely certified townie. If I understand the roles well, as scum the best he could do would be to convince a vigilante to shoot a townie tonight, then get lynched day 2 (a poisoner would be able to cancel his kill night 2 upon seeing Cixah flip red). That means we can be sure of Cixah's intentions whenever he posts, and there's never going to be any point to challenge them. However that doesn't mean that everything he says is right. I'm not saying I find your reads useless or wrong Cixah, I just want to remind people so as to reduce the chances of sheeping/bandwagoning using your certified status as an excuse. Wave, as the post I quoted indicates, you're acting a bit contrary to what I expected from you-especially because you're a vet and you've probably dealt with mafia noobs already. Could be you having a lot on your plate lately (you seemed to imply so in the offtopic GD) and I can understand that. However, if you're feeling frustrated because you're getting your experience challenged by the very ignorants you're trying to raise properly, think of it as training for the pebble's teen years. Could also be you exaggerating (because you still don't like the way we play) to amplify the whole situation and get bigger reactions from us. Your and especially Tolkien's behaviour over day 1 made me more aware of these possibilities. In that case I'm wondering what kind of reaction you're trying to cause exactly. (For the record I'm leaning toward the latter, also because being paranoid seems like a healthy mindset atm, I just wanted to make the joke. At least I didn't accuse you of WIFOMing us with the "do you think I'm good enough to mastermind you all?" instead. ;p) I'm a bit perplexed by the association "I pay too much attention to Wave" => "Wave is scummy". I mean, he can certainly try to manipulate people in that direction, but whether or not you fall for it depends on you more than on him, don't you think? Just a quick observation, I agree with your intention to broaden who you're looking at (waiting for a bit more Coma/mordek myself, now that owb came out the woodwork). (On that topic, filters are weird. I looked at everyone's length after people mentioned Soniv said "enough" because I thought he wasn't very present, and he's actually got 5 pages. Oo And I only have 2 myself, despite feeling like I spammed.) Fuck that post ends up revolving a bunch around Wave in the end, although indirectly. Whatever, I still think my points have value so here it is. Seems a little odd you call out Alzadar for defending Wave when I've arguably been defending him much harder. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:25 mordek wrote: Why are we talking about different games and numbers? This sounds like scum activity. Nah it's actually pretty important. If there was 4 scum instead of 3 it would completely change the way we could start looking at scum relationships. | ||
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On October 14 2014 03:10 mordek wrote: It's not important right now. This tells us nothing of who are next lynch target should be me. We really should stop talking about it. Personally I think all this conversation does is give scum an opportunity to act ignorant of their numbers. Well we're still in the night phase so depending on who dies a lot can change in regards to who the next lynch target should be. Obviously there's still value in some discussion, but I think you're overreacting to this being a scum play. I'd rather have it sorted out now that later personally. | ||
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On October 14 2014 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote: That's not true in the slightest. Scum are happy to secure a mislynch since it's often very difficult to specifically pin it on any one person. Hell I don't think Soniv can take credit for MB going down on his own at all, simply the standing out factor is that he stood his ground. You can even look at that either way saying 'oh well he must be town because he stood his ground even in the face of a mislynch and the potential for him looking bad---no scum would want that' 'or 'he must be scum because the lynch was showing the potential of being carried elsewhere by wave/people who switched to Jeff (Note to self: Have another good look at the Jeff wagon) so he stood his ground to keep it there.' Both options are equally likely to me--people have been calling me scum for trying to head lynches on people---do I look like I'm afraid to take any heat? The MB vote is why I've been slightly suspicious about Soniv and Asmo. It was an easy bandwagon because MB had been lurking. You can easily deflect the attention by just claiming the lynch made sense at the time due to his play style. It's just easily dependable and gives scum an early chance to get an easy kill without raising too much suspicion. | ||
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On October 14 2014 08:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote: also OWB is lurking so fucking much, holy shit pls post dude Holy shit I might just lynch Jeff for this post. I was more active than him during the first half of the night phase and then he comes out of no where and makes this post. Which fine, I've been away for a lot of the game, but I had also posted this before On October 14 2014 04:42 onlywonderboy wrote: I have to go to work now so I'll be gone for most of the evening. I should be able to check back in tonight after the night phase ends and see what's going on. If not I'll definitely be able to catch up during my morning class tomorrow. You even reading the thread? It's fine that you were away because of real life responsibilities, but I'm scum for it? Okay. ##Vote: GhandiEAGLE | ||
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On October 14 2014 10:29 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Now You're assuming me blaming you at all is a post attempting to make you mad. This was the case in the first 24 hours. This was not the case after that. "If youre not helping town youre against it." And with that attitude you will have lost four townies before even getting on the right track. Don't be an idiot, we need a good lynch tonight. My last post in OT before my read post in Maf thread was over 5 hours ago. And they were throwaway posts I was able to add in between classes. I have no idea how that reflects on my circumstances. You're clearly trying to go for my throat here, but you also ignored my question while in 5 minutes being the first to respond to LT's death. It was immediately with a vote for me, quick and dry. It was also a massive flip from who you were suspecting earlier. I don't know how this isn't completely suspicious to some people, but frankly Wave is playing you guys. Maybe not because he's scum, but he's wrong and posting inconsistent things combined with claims that aren't actually supported. Oh and he either ignores all my questions, or sweeps them aside in order to keep the target pointed on me. Not sure how he takes Wave's textbook definition of good mafia play and turns it into a negative...Also he goes onto trying to make reads once it's clear discrediting Wave isn't going to work. On October 14 2014 11:10 GhandiEAGLE wrote: + Show Spoiler + Gonna hold off voting Coma for awhile, it doesn't really trigger any discussion. He's more of a fallback if nobody gains traction. Asmo been super lurking as well, he says he's going to post something soon-ish tho so I'm holding off there too. Alzadar really shaped up his posting recently, I think he's trying to prod people into talking. If anything he's being almost too guarded in his questions to people. Maybe to keep suspicion off of him? Will watch that. As of right now hes town to me though. Cixah is clearly guilty. No other possible conclusion. Also OWB is really escaping a lot of notice here. Clearly hes just more lurky than Coma. But seriously, that's suspect as well. Req says town to me from his posts, I dont see anything sinister, just struggling to adjust to the game at the beginning (I can relate). Wave, I think you're completely wrong, and your arguments make little sense (or just none at all), but I think you have good points said in your defense, and that's enough to put you right around where Soniv is on my scumscale. Asmo is still my #1 suspect because of the shittypost-bandwagon-lurker combination, but again, he says he's gonna post soon, so I'll give him some breathing room. Alaric and Ketchup are pretty clearly town to me. They have long, thoughtful posts that, while not always correct or well-reasoned, steer us into good discussion and prevents us from tunnel-visioning (except that one crusade Ketchup had about Wave). Wave also seems really desperate to vehemently defend himself when his livelihood is even slightly threatened. But im still holding off. I don't feel like he really made any sort of useful insight despite the length of his post. I can basically sum up the entire post saying lurkers are scummy and people that contribute aren't scummy (unless you are Wave). Also we already criticized Req for just putting out a list of thoughts on everyone (although maybe he didn't read that post :p). So in general I'm just not a huge fan of his play so far into Day 2. That said it's early and I'm not locked into this vote. I've mentioned my suspicions of Asmo before so I'm interested to hear what he has to say once he gets back into the game. | ||
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On October 15 2014 00:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I think, in terms of hours, it is pretty late. He only really actually started talking as soon as Soniv began a bandwagon against him. I think you're pushing too hard simply based on timing. There are still well over 24 hours in this day phase so I don't think we need to call people out for starting to post now. There was pressure on Coma before the Soniv post so honestly if he continued to lurk it would have made him look even more suspicious. I'm not sure I agree with Alzadar that this has cleared him of suspicion though, hopefully he continues to stay active. | ||
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On October 15 2014 01:08 Requizen wrote: Sure. My personal opinion is that there are other people who are more likely to be Mafia, but I've been wrong before. Who specifically? Looks like your main pushes recently have been on Coma and ketchup. Has Coma's return to the thread made him less of a priority in your eyes? Also your push on ketchup seems weird. It honestly looks like you're just rage voting him because he's putting pressure on you. That's not good town play. We don't know who is mafia and who is town so just because someone is pushing you doesn't mean they are mafia. It can be frustrating but it's an important part of the game. Also ketchup's general play has seemed town so I'm gonna need more reason to believe he's mafia rather than he's pushing you over Alaric. | ||
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On October 15 2014 01:24 Alaric wrote: Why not push for them and point out how they're more suspicious than Soniv to you when prompted about him, them? Ultimately the game is about lynching mafia, not "not making mistake" and being fine with lynching a random because you couldn't read him. 'cept for D1, but that's because it's hard to have a definite read... As for Coma: Uh... yeah. Can't really argue about that, especially since I defended the guys with the "RL stuff" card saying I wouldn't question it. You're unrelated to Ghandi, in that you aren't both scum. However Ghandi's still the "easy" solution because he's been attacked so much, and without Asmo's case on soniv (and Tolkien dying, which seems to have removed a cushion between Wave and Soniv (or just made it one less person for Wave to argue with so he does it harder with the remaining ones )) he'd still probably be the current bandwagon... alongside you. I'd say I value consistency, but your circumstances, that make your vote on Ghandi less suspicious, now say that it's not a strong vote either because you didn't have much time or material to be 100% sure of your initial call, eg. circumstances have changed between then and now. If you didn't have the convenience of Ghandi to place your vote, who would you investigate/pressure? And why? (I know the arguments against Soniv are solid but if he's your pick it's going to look like a bandwagon... ) Not as if it's been completely unwarranted, sometimes the easy option is the right option. | ||
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On October 15 2014 01:32 Requizen wrote: I don't think Coma or ketchup are Mafia. I've given my reasons for voting Coma multiple times, the filter button is up and to the right if you want to read them. I voted for ketchup because he's pissing me off and pressuring me over nothing so I did the same to him. I don't think my opinion on anyone at this point means anything. My scum read is still Wave. Jeff is town but he's just shitty. Everyone's opinion means something. So Wave is your number one scum, here's the last post where you really talk about Wave On October 14 2014 01:20 Requizen wrote: To that end I'm going to go through filters and post my thoughts given the results of last night. I will skim through somewhat quickly, as the thread is fairly large, so link me to anything I may miss about a person. They will come as the day progresses. At the moment, my two biggest Scum reads are still Wave and LordyT. Partially left over from last night, partially because my reasoning still feels good to me. Wave because what I posted above, LordT for the reasons I discussed yesterday. Additionally: -his early "role call" was highly suspicious -His list of players is highly iffy. Knowing that MoonBear was VT and (myself) knowing I am not scum, he noted us as scummy. Knowing that he and Wave are on my watchlist, he noted them as townish. And he calls Alzadar scum for "not paying attention to him", which is very much attention drawing. -His vote changed plenty enough for me to be suspicious. I understand using votes as pressure, but he jumped to many people I don't find suspicious/think may very well be town, and he helped push the MoonBear train pretty hard. These two are my top picks atm. Please respond with criticism/discussion, or if you are the accused respond with your rebuttal. Is this still the crux of your argument? Nothing about LT's death changed your mind on Wave? A lot of discussion has happened since this last read. Sometimes reiterating a point is helpful so we don't have to scour a filter to find relevant information. | ||
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It also sounds like you're getting really down on yourself because the game isn't going as you hope. That's kinda how I felt during my newbie games. I'm leaning towards Req just being discourage town rather than scum. | ||
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On October 15 2014 02:59 Requizen wrote: You blatantly left it out of your "in depth investigation" to make me look like worse. I haven't changed that stance. I don't have a good read on you. My instincts don't scream mafia but you haven't posted enough helpful things to be confirmed town. You are 20%~30% scum, which doesn't mean anything. If the votes go towards you, I have no problem letting them go through because I don't think you're confirmed town like some other people. If they don't, that's fine too, I think Wave is a bigger threat (for reasons listed multiple times). I am not flipping on things. My opinions have formed slowly and changed slowly, and I have been outspoken and honest about it every step of the way. Ignoring that and trying to utilize misinformation makes you look bad, and I'd rather not have to pursue you. As an aside, I'm removing my vote from ketchup since, as I said before, I don't think he's scum and I just jumped on him because he was on my case. I hope this reasoning is clear enough that it can be referenced in the future without someone twisting my actions to try and draw attention off of themselves. ##unvote ketchup vote was still a shitty play. Revenge voting doesn't really help town. It was distracting, but I'm glad you at least dropped the vote now. You that willing to commit to a Wave vote? I've been pretty vocal that I think Wave is town, but I wonder what other people have to say since he's been away for a while, wonder if people's opinions have changed. | ||
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lol he's totally right, can't let you slide with a comment like that. I'm all for not posting reads for everyone in a single post, but you can't just say that after we're criticized Req for it. | ||
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On October 15 2014 03:10 Cixah wrote: This is the most sketchy post I've seen you make in this whole thread OWB, which while not many your stuff has some substance to it. Why are you campaigning for a Wave vote now when he hasn't even be brought to the table in 2 pages? Oh I'm not campaigning for a Wave vote, just wondering if anyone even support Req's campaign against him atm. | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:53 ketchup wrote: Wave, it's not the lack of posts that annoy me about the lurkers, but the lack of interaction between everyone in the thread. Right now, it's usually me, you, or soniv. Before this, we could add in tolkien too. The majority of the players have very little interaction between each other. I'm trying very hard to force interaction when I can, but it doesn't work the way I want. I tried to pressure Req to expand on reads, and he went defensive on me. Worse yet, he seems more confused than ever. It seems like a lot of us are just gone for really long swaths of time. Like when I was around earlier I tried talking to Req and Alz a little bit but not many other people were active at the time. Then I went to work and ofc that's when Jeff comes back. Caught up now but still analyzing what happened while I was gone, will post before bed. | ||
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I'm in the camp that Req is just frustrated town. Call me out for parroting or whatever but I honestly think he's just upset with the game because he's trying to contribute and he just gets called scum for it. Coming from personal experience with my own newbie mafia games I can say I felt similarly. That said I don't think Soniv is scum for pushing him so hard. Him and Wave are interestingly enough two sides of the same coin when it comes to Req. Wave is ready to believe his play is just shitty town based on his personality while Soniv is worried we're falling into a trap and giving him too much leeway because we know him. If Req has tricked us like this it would be some pretty good scum play. Wasn't a fan of Asmo's return post but that was picked apart pretty clean by Wave and Soniv. Wish he has been able to post more that the one main rebuttal. | ||
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While there is some passion in the post, I didn't make it just because Jeff was putting pressure on me. I had clearly said I was going to be afk and then he made his post anyway. I responded the way I did because his post seemed like mafia fluff to try and pressure a lurker without really committing to anything and gaining town cred. Then on top of that he admits he completely missed my post meaning he wasn't paying full attention to the thread which scum can do because they can rely on their knowledge of who is town and who isn't to help them navigate certain discussions. | ||
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On October 16 2014 02:10 ComaDose wrote: i cant tell if ghandi is convincing or desperate His post seems sincere, but if I were scum I'd make the same sort of desperation post (I mean we already gave Req a pass with his appeal to emotion so I can't fault him for trying). I agree he shouldn't be considered a lurker (like he's not mord level or anything) but he hasn't said anything to convince me to move my initial vote. I'll reread Soniv's filter but I feel like's he's played better despite Jeff claiming they've been doing the same stuff. | ||
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On October 16 2014 02:33 mordek wrote: Nice, managed to secure the name of a lurker-tier. Never a better time than the present to lose that title. How do you feel about the current vote? You're currently sitting on Soniv, you still feel good about that vote? How about the recent move over to Jeff? How would you feel if he was lynched? | ||
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On October 16 2014 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Like what WAS with all the greenfont shit? And why does he feel the need to point out the extremely obvious, that there is a bus going on (unless both soniv/Jeff are town and the scum are in the rest of lurk city, or we've been massively fooled by, say, himself or ketchup). I think a lot of us have actually let Alaric skate by on early towncred without looking into him in a long time. Either that or the quiet is making me paranoid. I hate being in charge of lynches. Good practice though. Probably the quiet :p Although, I think the fact that he hasn't put down a vote is more damning than the shitty green text. Maybe it's a timezone thing, but I wish he would just commit, because the longer he waits it just seems like he's waiting to vote when it would draw the least suspicion on him. | ||
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On October 16 2014 03:03 mordek wrote: Hi Ghandi thanks. It seems you've picked someone else to see if maybe that will get something started since, once again, the pressure's on you. I know I'm town so I'm currently going through to see who thought I was a good scum target as they are most likely scum. I'm kinda curious why you're the first person to press the issue since honestly, my posting looks lurker-scum. @owb I haven't been able to pick up on any slips so while it's hard to be super confident it's not like I've been politician-y about things. I stuck with my feelings on LT (which iirc where well spoken by alaric in an earlier post D1) and I was wrong. Ok, those things happen. I had a feeling on Soniv but I've repeatedly said him and ghandi were my #1 reads. I could go either way. Moving on from a bad read is part of the game, can't beat yourself up or you'll just end up constantly second guessing yourself and that doesn't help when you're looking for scum. Still you haven't talked that much this game so it doesn't look like you're trying too hard to actually come up with unique reads. | ||
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On October 16 2014 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote: ##unvote ##vote: mordek This interests me actually. Mordek you say you haven't been politician-y, but A lot of your posting just doesn't look great at all. Gives me bad feels. Well this post has certainly piqued my interest. Doesn't mean he's scum for sure but I'm alright putting the ball in his court right now. ##unvote ##vote: mordek | ||
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On October 16 2014 03:52 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm so confused how you think my posting has been bad today. You had a town read on me D1, and my posting was so much worse D1, and I'm happy to be the first to admit that. Once again, I'm feeling like my entire play today has been largely ignored. I have tried to hand you guys a better lynch, and it was completely passed off as everyone giving Req a pass for being Req. I also now believe that Jeff is scum (something I did not think was true D1), and I've tried to push him as well. Is this going to be the theme of the game? Every day it's going to be Jeff vs. someone that ends up flipping town, only to continue it on the next day? You think you're going to get information from my flip, but all you'll find out is how god damn wrong you've been and how much time you've all wasted. ? What did I dodge? I can get behind what Soniv is saying here. I've already said I think he's played better than Jeff during Day 2 so between the two I'm still going to vote Jeff. In fact ##Unvote ##Vote GhandiEAGLE The Jeff flip will give us insight into Soniv's alignment and we can decide whether or not we trust him from there. If they are both mafia it would be a pretty masterful bus. | ||
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On October 16 2014 04:11 ketchup wrote: Here are a few questions that I am currently having: Why is Wave jumping on the mordek voting that was started by someone he feels is so heavily scummy that he has been after him since day 1? What's with the late day 2 vote switch by wave? I mean he could pressure mordek without voting for him. What's with OWB's jump on mordek as well? How did the mordek get three quick votes in the span of 1 hour? I agreed with Wave's post that some of his posts were suspicious and I wanted to get him more active, which worked. | ||
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On October 16 2014 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Eh, I don't think people understand the meaning or use of a pressure vote. Oh well. ##unvote Vote/read on mordek was never real tbh, but I wanted to see who I could make do stuff. Only person to jump was owb, though that's pretty interesting sine he's been doing it alllllllll game. This is pretty untrue. ketchup, what do you think? Who should it be today? That it won't give us insight or that the bus would be a pretty good scum play? | ||
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On October 16 2014 04:54 GhandiEAGLE wrote: [/b][/b]Have you? Maybe I've been misinterpreting your question. In the brief periods of time where I haven't had to constantly defend myself, I was doing a couple other things, like looking through the forgotten lurkers like Mordek. I found some stuff, talked about it, and had a couple people agree with me. I said it wasn't anything more than a vote meant to get Mordek talking rather than distracting people or lynching people. After that though, I noticed that OWB switched his vote again. He's actually done this a large number of times day one; he's got a very fast trigger that he's been pulling. I remember saying he was a lurker, and then him immediately deflecting it by acting appalled that I'd suggest it and then snap-voting against me. He seems very eager to get on a bandwagon early, so that he can be on the train but never arouse suspicion. He never actually instigates anything, and almost never posts anything but defense (or his quick switches). That said, I'm willing to take my vote off of Mordek now. Soniv is still Scummer #1 in my book, but OWB's flipping is damn suspicious and he's also been very unproductive. Asmo too has been sketchy, though to a lesser degree. ##unvote Can't tell if I'm just falling into a defend myself again but I don't want to just let this post sit. What day one flips are you even talking about? I was away for most of the game and I voted no lynch because I wasn't confident in my reads due to the lack of time I was able to put into the game. Early I was clear I thought Wave is town and Asmo is scummy (which I still believe). The most flip floppy thing I've done is the mordek vote which I already explained. If hadn't already switched back to you I think this post would have made me. | ||
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On October 16 2014 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote: owb I think you need to explain your posting and voting, because as far as I can remember you've just been shadowing me the entire game. I mean I don't know what you want me to tell you other than I've either came to the same conclusions as you or I agree with most of the arguments you've made. Day 1 - No Vote, I've explained my reasoning for this, low involvement due to real life getting in the way and I didn't feel like I had put enough time into the game to make an informed decision. I felt okay with this because it was a plurality lynch so my lack of vote didn't hurt the town too much. Day 2 - I've explained my vote on Jeff multiple times. I thought his post about me lurking was super scummy especially considering it was later revealed that he wasn't paying super close attention to the thread. Your post highlighting mord's inconstancy convinced me he at least needed to be pressured into being more active. You made a good point and I agreed, sue me :p. I moved back to Jeff because he didn't really do anything to lessen his guilt in my eyes. Soniv's vote promoted me to move back when I did because between the two of them I'd rather have Soniv alive if he's town, but I probably would have moved back to Jeff eventually unless mord was completely silent after we voted for him. | ||
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On October 16 2014 06:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Coma's absence. And it's entirely possible that owb really has been coming up with all of that shit and I've simply beaten him to the bunch multiple times, but he posts stuff like this: When I just barely post the slightest bit of suspicion on Alaric, he jumps on it and takes it further when there is no mention of Alaric ANYWHERE in his filter previously. Uhg. I'm trying to stay active and I happened to read your post in class and that got me thinking about Alaric. I realized he hadn't voted yet and I thought it was weird. Hey, at least I didn't just agree he was scummy because of his weird green text questions. I mean I could have just not said anything but I don't see how that helps us catch scum. | ||
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On October 16 2014 06:18 WaveofShadow wrote: In fact, I never said he was scummy to begin with, just that we've all been letting him slide. That is true, you never said that specially, I just interpreted that as you implying we needed to keep an eye on him more which you wouldn't have said if you thought he was leaning town. | ||
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On October 16 2014 07:02 Cixah wrote: The only problem I see with this situation is if Scum DO have a roleblocker and Ketchup's post from way back at the start of D2 is true that he got roleblocked. If you claim roleblocked you realize what will happen right? I mean getting blocked and losing the checking power is less important than him surviving. | ||
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My brain hasn't even completely processed what I just read. I missed two trains, another blue role claim, and a 3P is dead. Holy fucking hell. So much to take in. | ||
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2 hours till it's actually real, wonder if there's overlap with the icon lol. | ||
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