TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells
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On December 04 2014 22:29 kitaman27 wrote: /in Sigh... In entering a hiatus... Don't make me in because I want to play with legends I've never played with | ||
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This will be my last one /in | ||
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On December 05 2014 02:37 Alakaslam wrote: Hijole palmar, marv! ¡Hijole! /in HIJOLE VATO WEI | ||
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On December 05 2014 02:52 Alakaslam wrote: Yes it is shallow But well What can I fo. sorry | ||
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Fuck it. /in Let's have fun | ||
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You will because you want this to happen | ||
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To muito bêbado | ||
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Just a suggestion | ||
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Oh the irony | ||
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On December 08 2014 06:15 Blazinghand wrote: /out /obs ((( no RNG | ||
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On December 08 2014 06:54 The_Templar wrote: I will do the RNG for you don't worry Thank you! I would do RNG but my math abilities are broken and I can't get anyone who can fix it. Slam, I see through the eyes of Chupacabra. Beware. | ||
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On December 08 2014 06:56 Damdred wrote: Templars luck...rng lands on himself Lolololol I'll be so pissed off if it lands on me again... | ||
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On December 08 2014 06:58 The_Templar wrote: Heh. If it does, I will be honest about it. Of course, if I am mafia, I'll manage to rig it so that it doesn't land on me, so it landing on me would confirm me as town... I find this very WIFOM material. 10/10 would WIFOM a lot. | ||
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On December 08 2014 07:01 The_Templar wrote: You have no idea how WIFOM I could be. Since I've been town in normal games, me using WIFOM would be mafia-like. Or would it? I could argue that since using WIFOM means I'm mafia, I would never use it as mafia, so I must be town. And you would do that as mafia But I may be biased because you always look like mafia when you're town, so I would townread you But you could be trying to make me think you look like mafia and that's why you're town he wuss you're mafia, then I would read you as mafia. Then I would simply say "lynch lurkers" | ||
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##Vote Tenplur Btw I will post a timed post to be valid only when the game starts so I do t have to post it only after the game starts. Now I'm going to drink some alcohol. | ||
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On December 09 2014 03:54 Tubesock wrote: Would you like it better if I had a number in it, like "Tubes4ck"? This sarcasm. I like you already | ||
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I'm town | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:27 batsnacks wrote: Maybe he's colorblind? Oh wait vbcode actually says blue... Pointless comment on my post, fake "sudden realisation", I've found our first mafia gais gg | ||
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RNG was on who? | ||
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Can you give me prezents? I'd love prezents. | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't expect you to have read my other town games but I've gotten exponentially worse as town. GB do you have a comment on the current votes or discussion? Nope because I didn't read anything from the thread. Because I'm bored. Do you? | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:34 The_Templar wrote: Santa, upon arriving in America, noted the return of several people to their youthful roots. Two of them, Alakaslam, and ritoky, had made themselves comfortable on a nearby bench while a few others continued to argue pointlessly over the exact wording of their previous conversations. The NSA was delighted. Alakaslam had made himself Calvin, the boy that had asked Santa to alter his Nice list to include him. Indeed, Santa had quite a file on Calvin. Ritoky seemed to be simply reading a Calvin and Hobbes book while Alakaslam discussed his relation to the others' arguments through being Calvin during a wonderful time of year such as this. Santa wondered, who had made the snowman that was walking around the town. Who was that snowman shielding? Surely, the Snowman was a sturdy figure and could surely withstand a blast, and was made with pure intentions, with the spirit of Christmas in mind. Therefore, its owner is surely one of those that belongs to stay on the "Nice" list. They might even be in this argument! Could Alakaslam claim such a veteran role, Santa wondered? On the sleigh ride, Santa had read this post very carefully. Ninjabunnies, along with many other people, had created her own list of who she expected to receive Christmas presents, and who would receive coal. What position was she in to determine this? Why should she do this? Santa supposed that it was a vital component of the argument taking place and that she was taking steps to ensure she was as or less likely to be placed on the naughty list compared to anyone else. Santa was not convinced, however. Why did she think these people were on the naughty list? Why had she bothered to defend the froggy one when she was going to label him Naughty for the same reason? Santa, fortunately, had brought his printer with him (it was magical) on the sleigh, and continued to receive mounds of evidence of the events taking place as he had travelled. He was curious about Vivax, but only because of the validity of his opinions in regards to the argument taking place. Was this knowledge of the argument they were having really common knowledge, or did only some of the suspects know of the full set of facts? Were they hiding something, perhaps? Santa also updated his list on the way to America. Nice: Koshi Half the Sky Oatsmaster kitaman27 Damdred rsoultin froggynoddy kushm4sta sicklucker Alakaslam Vivax ObiWanShinobi The_Templar Xatalos LightningStrike liancourt batsnacks ritoky Fecalfeast Holyflare GlowingBear LoneMeow Trfel Tubesock KelsierSC Naughty: 27ninjabunnies Italics: No evidence of being nice or naughty, on list because they were there before (the game of mafia) started Underlined: Santa/[Not]SanTa must investigate further Bold: Remains on the list for some time. Strikethrough: Moved to the opposite list None: New on the list However, Santa was not ready to do detective work yet. He decided to deliver some of the toys early so that things could be straightened out between these suspects. Through this, Santa hoped that all of them could be on the Nice list, but that was unlikely to happen. Meanwhile, The_Templar had an exam the next morning and really should study. A huge list post just to say you have a single scumread. Fluff. Obviously trying to look contributive and effortful. Second scum was found. | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:37 KelsierSC wrote: GB so edgy. he definitely doesn't study for the test he is too bored and too cool Hell yeaaaaah! And I'm never getting graduated it seems. Kelsen, can I tunnel you just like our first game? It was fun. | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote: I am town GB, but i am unable to give you a present currently if you are good i can share one of my many toys later on as when i was a child i was taught to share if i get one that is. You should really read the thread and are you blue gb seirously/ I'm as blue as the sea + Show Spoiler + of lava | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:40 The_Templar wrote: Yes, because I did exactly the same thing in literally every game I play. That clearly makes me a Naughty person. There is plenty of information in that fluff. Before complaining that I'm not providing alignment-indicative information, consider reading the thread more carefully. I love your overreaction here templur. | ||
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KITAKITAKITA WHERE ARE YOUR ANALYSIS POSTS WHERIZIT WHERIS ALAKMSLAM? HIJOLE | ||
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We can lynch bats because he is scum We can lynch kita because where the fuck is he We can lynch sicklucker because he is reading but not interacting kthxbai | ||
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On December 09 2014 10:11 sicklucker wrote: Glowing Bear im very disappointed in you my child. WHARRGABRL | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:56 The_Templar wrote: ##Vote: KelsierSC ##Unvote ##Vote: Ninjabunnies Please explain. | ||
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On December 09 2014 11:20 rsoultin wrote: No likey? Glowthebear. Slam and bats always town, or just special today? Dazzle me with glowing logic. Uhm, I've never called them town? I've called bats scum and slam only reveals himself as scum at later days. You won't have a read on him day one. Bats is scum for that wasted post on my entrance. Pointless and wishy washy (hey this guy is calling himself scum! Or color blind? Oh nevermind, SUDDEN REALISATION, BB code says blue) Slam, you're scum because you haven't post any insights yet. Defend thyself. | ||
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On December 09 2014 11:28 Damdred wrote: I think we have a different interpretation of events,HTS will have to clarify and go into greater detail her agreement with NB. However I will say that you can agree with someone who is acting scummy that something is null (read on frog) and it totally not be alignment indicative. Like a few games ago I rolled scum and posted town reads null reads etc., town GB runs up and be like I AGREE WITH WHAT YOUR SAYING BUT YOU ARE SO SCUMMY CAUSE OF REASONS. Then GB votes me, this does not automatically make what GB did scummy in that situation, and it doesn't make what hts did then scummy. Agreeing with someone about a read should not totally sway our perception on if someone is scummy or not is what i'm getting at. However bats few followup responses did not look horrible at this point. RS is in my town circle today. Am I town already? | ||
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On December 09 2014 11:33 Alakaslam wrote: Pffffffffffft Old tired claim What is there to insee? You tell me, bby. I feel you don't like me, slam. Personally. | ||
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On December 09 2014 11:42 LightningStrike wrote: I just got back and here my current reads Town: HF,Templar, OWS, Slam, Damdred, rsoultin, FF Null: 27ninja, HTS, Ritoky Scum: sicklucker sicklucker doesn't seem like he normal town self for this type of game with the post limit and he just throwing a lot of fluff more than anything trying to get the limit early I need more posts from 27ninja and Ritoky to confirm which side they on HTS doesn't seem like himself idk why I feel like that. As soon more people post in the game I will make more reads to add the people. What about glowungbeard? | ||
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On December 09 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote: You mean that one I already posted? A few pages before RNG into vote that I explained. Only included Kelsier because I had, in fact, voted him. Please try harder to bait further over-reaction. Agreed that SL is a lot more mellow than he usually is as town. I do not know if this is a one-night thing or not. Maybe he's mad that you said it's impossible to read him now before reading him. Just a thought though. Wow you're looking so mad. Are you okay? | ||
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On December 09 2014 11:48 sicklucker wrote: Oh shit. Ya I missed that part I was fishing and trolling for info on who the other Joyful Child were because I figured only we knew presents were in the game because I missed that part. I thought damdred and gb were the other two, I still kinda think they are oh well. Who wants a present. Ok so we all know theres 3 presents in the game. But what I know is that its the Joyful Child role that has these presents. No one else can be sure of this as its not said in the description. But Damdred and gb sent out little tells that told me they were this role.I might have been wrong so ill reread it later but I think their the other giftgivers and therefore town. Also Ive been up 20 hours and dont rly feel like playing much right now but the insomnia might have kicked in. Lol what made you think that?? There's nothing on any filters implying that. Damdy give me prezant if I'm wrong | ||
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On December 09 2014 11:49 The_Templar wrote: Thanks for being concerned. I am stressed out right now because this game started at a terrible time and I'm already investing more time than I have into it. Is the way I'm playing this game stressing you? Because I'm having fun but I want you relaxed. | ||
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HMMM I see. I may want to lynch damdred after this. Don't ask me why | ||
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On December 09 2014 11:57 sicklucker wrote: Why would you name it if not to give it a special ability? Claiming purposes. | ||
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SL is town rsoultin is town Bats is scummy I'm going to lynch kush if I don't see his town tell. Good night. | ||
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On December 09 2014 12:01 Holyflare wrote: Please nobody else out their roles. The other vt is to stop mafia being op because they can have some vt killing gun like last palmar game I think it's just the disgruntled worker that can be killed anyway | ||
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On December 09 2014 12:05 Holyflare wrote: Stop claiming for the love of fucking god. If mafia can only shoot non named vt's and all the named vt's are starting to out then who do you think is left to shoot??? Named vt is literally only there to stop mafia getting easy kills. If you see through the eyes of Chupacabra, you'll realise that those claims aren't real | ||
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On December 09 2014 12:10 sicklucker wrote: I agree but my fishing was going to get me lynched =[. Now that the cats out of the bag is it better to give the present to someone im town reading or scum reading ! Give it to me I want to open prezants | ||
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On December 09 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote: I looked GB past games and he seemed to town aligned this game and Slam isn't posting stuff like he did when he was scum in the Titanic Game. Can you link us the games where I'm playing like this? | ||
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On December 09 2014 12:31 Holyflare wrote: You should hop on bunnies after reading my filter and be led to great victory That strategy. Bunnies flip red, HF confirms himself as town, wins the game as mafia. Lynch both | ||
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On December 09 2014 20:57 Koshi wrote: Here are some things I noticed, and now explain using as little words as possible. Getting noticed by me is pretty good. It means you are doing stuff and can call yourself a participant of this game. If you are not in my list and thought you were doing things you didn't do your things correctly. Ritoky townread for attacking people that think Alakaslam is possible scum. The reason this is towny is because ritoky is lost without his Alakaslam read. And is using this 1 read he has to create more reads. Also his stuff on Lightening is superb. Kelsier townread for the batsnacks thing. And the rsoultin read. Templar is paying attention. Alakaslam keeps slipping that he is a ghost. Probably is. Damdred actually understands wtf Kelsier was talking about in the post with hts and nb duds. Must be reading the thread. Holyflare is doing some minor positive things. However, I don’t understand why he protects hts against Kelsier. I don’t understands why he doesn’t push GB after making that observation. GlowingBear ignored HF when HF called him out. Instead GB asked an incredible dumb question to Damdred. Started the game with drawing attention to him twice. Need to check meta if that is alignment indicative, scum tends to not do that. But meh. Half the Sky is not reading and thinking, Kelsier was painfully obvious talking about her. Looks like scum being paralyzed by the pressure of replying, and tried to brush the pressure of with the “I know nothing I am from Barcelona” reply. Also, who replies with: “I am also town” at the start of the game. Town shows paranoia early game. Scum doesn’t. LighteningStrike his list shows that LS is good at knowing who the thread thinks is town. He made a mistake putting OWS on his townlist. FF as well. The mistake is made because he is scum wanting to “contribute” and not only rehearse what is in the thread. Anyway, his townlist was made so that people would like him. 27ninjabunnies is posting horrendous. Please shape up. I can’t even blame people having her as only scumread because her posting is so scummy. Is playing scum 101. People who have experience playing the game would only play this scummy as town not paying attention to their own scumminess. I would still lynch her as a policy lynch. Not acceptable play. Obiwan might be scum that didn't want to do nothing and then decided to pretend that he was doing something. Sadly for him his pretendcontribution claimed town and now scumObiwan ist just in idgaf doing nothing mode. Both kita & Vivax going solely after 27nb bores me. KOSHI!! "Templar is paying attention" is an awful way to say someone should be in your list. | ||
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On December 09 2014 21:31 LoneMeow wrote: Funny, except I wouldn't be surprised if it actually happened, knowing Holyflare :D Hahaha this is totally hearthstone mafia He went after Tolkien day1 and lynched his teammate. | ||
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On December 09 2014 11:59 rsoultin wrote: Lol, dude, sad part is I actually believe you. You would be the type to get a present and think it's just for you, regardless of what palmar said xP But dontcha know, children are supposed to get presents, not give them. ##unvote I've got my read after this post, Meow. This kind of read on SL seems ok to me. That's how I see SL too. I don't see mafia motivation behind this post, but just a guy who simply posts what comes to his mind, which looks to me like a town trait. | ||
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On December 09 2014 23:39 Koshi wrote: Second time you ask me about my Templar read. Why? Is Templar not paying attention to the thread? If you think I made a mistake as scum for typing "Templar is paying attention" I would like to hear your thought process behind that idea. Really, you are focusing on the most ridiculous things. I don't remember you answering the first time, so I've asked it again. If he is actually paying attention or not isn't relevant. What is relevant is that you make a list of people who made memorable things and you say that not being memorable is a bad thing to you. "He is paying attention" isn't a memorable thing, IMO. It just sounded like you were trying to take him out of a possible lynch list without actually having any good reason, which looks scummy to me. That's why I want to understand why paying attention is on thing me or able to youZ | ||
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"That's why I want to understand why Templar paying attention is something memorable to you" | ||
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On December 09 2014 23:55 LoneMeow wrote: Alright, seems reasonable. What's your take on LightningStrike who's been under some serious questioning recently? I'm still not reading the thread closely so I don't know what's going on. I'll be doing it after half of the day. I'm just gathering information for now. What is questionable on his play this game? | ||
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On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote: 2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.- Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand. Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this?? Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia. Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S MEAN. But for some reason, it makes me town read you. | ||
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On December 10 2014 00:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If I had a gun, I'd shoot Holyflare right now. He's most likely town... | ||
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He's open minded. That's not like mafia holyflare. Althought this "tell" was proven wrong last game, I somehow feel that he is town. | ||
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On December 10 2014 00:41 Koshi wrote: I guess I could have spend more words on The Templar. He was the first to combine some thread actions into one post. He didn't do anything that made me frown later on so I didn't revisit him and didn't add any more words behind his name. I don't understand why you are still spending your time on this. Something about me putting Templar on my list because people not on my list look bad? I don't want Templar to look bad because I am his scumbuddy? Dafuq. Really. Dafuq. Templar obviously looks okish in my eyes. Not lynchable D1. Going to start with the easiest: Palmar didn't rng his set-up. He made a set-up based on the amount of people playing this game. He choose how many of each powerrole exist in this game, but this information is not known to the players. This is a normal game, don't expect crazy things. About Sky & 27nb: From what I can see 27nb is playing pretty scummy. You can read HF/Vivax/Kita their reasoning to get an idea why. I am conflicted about 27nb because it seems a bit too scummy to be scum. But Vivax rightfully points out that if it smells like scum & talks like scum, it could very well be scum. Sky her posting style is confusing like hell. It might be because she is new to the game. She starts out calling 27nb "also town" which is not smart to do. But then after reading the thread she agrees with HF that 27nb looks scummy. But then she somewhat reproduces 27nb vision on froggy (I read this somewhere) but still calls 27nb scum: And then she ends with calling Vivax null. While I found Vivax his suspicion on 27nb easier to read and more convincing than Holyflare his suspicion on 27nb. It just looks messy. I don't know if she is scum though. Might just have had a bad start like she claims now in her newest post. He is one of my early scumreads and you simply don't want to lynch him because he is paying attention. I want to understand better why you think he is paying attention and how that's so memorable to you. It's simply as that. You're making a whole problem that I'm asking you a simple question. It's pretty clear why I'm focusing this. It's because if he flips red at any time of the game I'll probably go against you. You really don't understand my reasoning here? You really think that calling him "memorable" because he is "paying attention" is reasonable? Like, lol. You're just saying that he condensed the thread in one post. So he isn't lynchable because he has the power of summarizing things. And you call this "memorable"? That's very wrong. | ||
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On December 10 2014 01:33 Tubesock wrote: You don't think they will all receive them at the end of the day/beginning of night? Oh this didn't cross my mind. Maybe I'm stupid. Or certainly I am. | ||
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On December 10 2014 02:53 Damdred wrote: thank you for pointing this out, I don't know what to make of it but the only option we have now is lynch gb THANK GOD YOU'RE TOWN! | ||
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On December 10 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote: Well Xatalos you are just so overtly town I have to be suspicious of you right now its only the right answer. Besides that I figured that would be your response since we have post restrictions. You did ignore my next post where I said not to lynch you for today though. The meta on GB isn't that bad, ever since avocado mafia its something gb has followed strictly as town to the point of getting scum read for it in some situations and as mafia going against the lurker lynch to pursue higher profile people. It is not a guaranteed scum to be sure but I think its a good chance at this point. The bolded is you lying. If you really believe it, you're forcing a read based on only one scum game (Arnold). I've went to high profile people very recently as town (against marv day1 on that game I forgot the name) | ||
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On December 10 2014 05:13 Damdred wrote: What are you on about GB I didn't even bring up arnold. I already explained that the game i refernced was titanic mafia the one hour game. Also your showing of a game that is against what i'm saying is not correct in the fact that the game had 0 lurkers after I subbed into the game, and bfeore i subbed in you had a light scum read on Elvis and then it went away once I started posting. So yea i'm not lying at all, and you still aren't doing anything except trying to paint things as scummy that aren't so. You can start telling what things I'm painting as scum and why they aren't scummy. I'm saying that the only game I went after high profile players was on Arnies Got a Gun, in which I pushed Rayn early on. I also did it as town, so it's not alignment indicative for me. That's why I'm bringing Arnie up. What's similar from my gameplay here to fanfic? | ||
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On December 10 2014 08:38 batsnacks wrote: Hi gb you said I was scummy but I didn't care. Should I? Nawt really, my deer. You should care after I actually read the thread thoroughly and keep that read | ||
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On December 10 2014 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote: You're the reason I have to force myself to try as stupid town. Do you think I'm scum, baby? Hi bby I didn't read most of your posts so... I don't think so. I don't understand what you said about the reason to try something, tho | ||
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On December 10 2014 08:42 GlowingBear wrote: Hi bby I didn't read most of your posts so... I don't think so. I don't understand what you said about the reason to try something, tho By "I don't think so" I mean "I have no idea" | ||
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On December 10 2014 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote: you and damdred told me to play. LOLOLOLOL <3 Well, you're mafia then, for using it as an excuse. But you don't give a fuck, I suppose | ||
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On December 10 2014 08:44 27ninjabunnies wrote: And seeing as I'm being completely ignored at the moment (Seriously what's the point of me defending myself if no one is even going to interact with me?) I'll leave you with a video of my college choir singing Christmas Music. This is us singing Carol of the Bells Are you the girl in red? I'm gonna read what you've post because I feel sorry for you | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:33 27ninjabunnies wrote: Idk, my boobs are so like... big anyways, they just fall out of any bra I wear. It's terrible. VS bras do nothing for me unfortunately. Plus they are hella expensive. I'm impressed koshi didn't put this in his "memorable" list. I mean, I'd always read bunnies and imagine the big boobs. | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:23 kitaman27 wrote: It seems like the reasoning that leads you to believe tube is probably town isn't taken into account when evaluating LS. Why does it apply in one case, but not the other? SILENCE EVERYBODY, THIS POST IS EXTREMELY RELEVANT. | ||
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I think this game is going to be easy. | ||
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I ratify my read on rsoultin. He is town. | ||
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Nope! Do you think I am? | ||
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Well, if you think I am, you may be. Post restrictions are for cycles or for day times? | ||
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Because I have a lot of mafia traits in this game and in the game I was very townie you thought I was mafia | ||
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Ritoky is probably mafia. I'll only post once this night with updates reads. Expect a big post. | ||
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Anyway, here is the thing: I didn't see anything scummy on NB's filter. The push felt off, it felt weak, and it gained traction so fast that it was obviously going to be a mislynch. I wanted to get back and talk about it, but I couldn't find the time, I was in class until midnight. I even wanted to change the person I'd deliver the present but it was too late. That's why my vote is wasted. HF, saying that the votes on Xatalos are wasted is very unfair. He was the second wagon. People are not obligated to vote for bunnies if they think there are other stronger scumreads they should pressure. | ||
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And guess what: I'm town. It's very unfair to say that I've only brought things about Templar. I also had some town reads throghout my filter, like rsoultin and SL. I will not post reads until half of day one probably. It's because I don't have time to read the entire thread properly. | ||
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Do I have a post count in my filter or I have to count one by one? | ||
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On December 12 2014 03:34 LightningStrike wrote: sicklucker what are you reads post lynch? I just curious because you didn't post much post lynch that's all. Why are you so cautious just to ask someone a question? You sound like you don't want trouble | ||
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On December 12 2014 04:27 sicklucker wrote: NO stop suggesting this people we dont know how competent are veg is hes a second bullet target not a first. Theres like 100% chance hes visted by that dude and will die if hes really scrooge making it useless. Stop making me wanting to rescind my town read on you | ||
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On December 12 2014 04:53 sicklucker wrote: Id like to say because im smart but this is obvious stuff. Gb do you think we should shoot kush too? I fine this interesting because I would probably shoot you tonight If I was veg Well, I'm glad you're not a vegetal Seriously, if vigi shoots me tonight, he will be killing a valuable townie. That's all I have to say. | ||
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On December 12 2014 06:33 LightningStrike wrote: What role you think he is? Just curious that's all. LOLOLOLOLOL If you're not mafia, I don't know what to say | ||
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HF ISN'T DEAD NIGHT1 | ||
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Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol. | ||
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On December 12 2014 08:12 ritoky wrote: ????? I got it at the change of phase, and claimed when I decided I was gonna open it???? what are you smoking? you should know that presents change hands at the end of day phase, it is both in the rules and i confirmed it with the mod lol. The ability you earn can be roleblocked. I just thought you could use it night one instead of using it night 2. It doesn't matter anyway, you just revealed to mafia that you have a role now, which makes no sense for a townie. | ||
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On December 12 2014 08:20 ritoky wrote: and opening something unknown that has a 1 in 3 chance to kill you (esp when you have a crap ton of kp) doesn't make much sense as mafia. i can wifom too broski It's not WIFOM, rit. It's just looking through perspectives. I can't understand the psychology of a townie who decides to claim he is going to open the present he received. You don't die night one, then BAM! You obviously got a skill and will be killed/roleblocked night2 if you're town. I can never see town doing that. | ||
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Time to claim. | ||
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On December 12 2014 09:18 Tubesock wrote: Naughty boys. Still reading Sicklucker Nice? Decipher your suspicion here, please | ||
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Your reads on froggynoddy and vivax, please. | ||
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On December 12 2014 09:59 Tubesock wrote: Absolutely! Finally, someone who sees this as a credible threat. Because you are naughty. GlowingBear you DEFEND Sicklucker with "Lian, SL is town. Let him alone." Yet, you are using plays on schemes and roles to discredit Ritoky and gain confusion. Tell me how Sicklucker is so Nice, you tell Lian to lay off. You defend Sicklucker and not just once but use what he's doing to go after a CONFIRMED Nice (RIP Damdred). Tell me why and how Sicklucker is NICE. ##Vote: GlowingBear On December 09 2014 23:23 GlowingBear wrote: I've got my read after this post, Meow. This kind of read on SL seems ok to me. That's how I see SL too. I don't see mafia motivation behind this post, but just a guy who simply posts what comes to his mind, which looks to me like a town trait. The way SL is posting doesn't look like it's coming from a mafia perspective. It looks like it's coming from a paranoid town. | ||
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On December 12 2014 10:09 rsoultin wrote: SL is stuck on presents. That shouldn't be surprising given his early game play. Tube, you've seen SL play. He's not the most logical person on the planet, to say the least. You really think he's being coached by other scum in this insanity? GB stating that SL is town is based on SL being highly readable. It's why I pressured him when he was acting all weird in the beginning of the game...and why I won't support a lynch on him now. Even if he is spouting nonsense. I've just started playing for real. But catching up the thread takes SO FUCKING LONG. I'm waiting for HF's answer. | ||
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What do you think of it? | ||
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On December 12 2014 10:20 liancourt wrote: am i the only one that can read slam? i correctly read him in previous games as town and scum and such and he is town this game too. It's so easy to read slam. It doesn't require any finesse at all. if he's playing like me he is town. If he's actually trying to be townie and being serious he is scum. And also he agrees with me on kel :D ## vote kelsier That's not how you read slam and that's a straight up lie because you've played titanic vi with me and him and he didn't try at all there. And he was scum. ##Vote: liancourt | ||
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On December 12 2014 10:27 Holyflare wrote: I don't know why you're even asking about this specifically? If he's lying about having a present there are 2 other presents out there which will eventually lead to his demise or we force him to use the present on who we want. It seems a silly thing to lie about?? No you are being the donkey. How is he supposed to know what present he has before anyone has even opened it or flipped and why are you trying to make him claim the specific present? You know I'm not talking about getting a present or not. I gave him the present. I'm talking about claiming opening a present. It will make his role useless night2. You've called him mafia with a great amount if certainty but you're not pushing something that is relevant. Now that everybody knows he has a power, it doesn't matter which power he has. He can claim so we can know his night action night 2. This is so contradictory from you. | ||
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On December 12 2014 10:29 Half the Sky wrote: Re-read Ritoky from the time I discussed his play with Damdred. Vivax mentioned earlier lack of followup with Froggy, which he quoted. Damdred earlier mentioned lack of followup as well when I asked about Ritoky. I still think he takes HF's posts out of context though I recall HF saying he didn't agree with the case on Xatalos so there was no need for him to push Xatalos from his perspective. This adds to even further suspicion on Ritoky on top of what else has been gathered. Also read Hearthstone mafia and Ritoky's point doesn't make any sense on HF - HF gameplay here is different from that game. I don't understand the read development there. Definitely scum-like. OWS looks even worse to me after reading his EoD comments which is inconsistent with the vote on Xatalos. Also not sure where the LoneMeow comment came from, and then LM flips town. Tubesock: I played with Sicklucker last game. He is erratic at times, but his scum-hunting behaviour last game is similar to this game. Similar behaviour then and now. He's good in my book. Looking through the links that LS gave me on Oats and seeing if I can get anything out of it before I have to head to bed. Based on his play in Student Mafia IV alone though, Oats isn't looking too good either, but I'm going to read for a more comprehensive look. I need you to give examples from those games you're comparing ritoky's gameplay. Compare some posts and specify what's different between them. | ||
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On December 12 2014 10:30 liancourt wrote: i read him as scum in that game if you cant recall and i was right. And u obviously cant read slam, but no matter. what do u think of kel? You read him as scum and so did I. I hammered mafia in that game. I'm not saying that you didn't read him correctly in that game. I'm saying that he didn't try to contribute, nor looked townie, so your meta excuse is a lie. I have yet to read him better. He wasted a lot of posts on useless jokes. Why are you reading him as scum? | ||
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On December 12 2014 10:37 liancourt wrote: can we stop talking about presents and talk about kel plz and i like the angle of gb always coming to SL's aid. Smells of mafia defending town. I was answering a question Lol u funny | ||
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On December 12 2014 05:47 ritoky wrote: to whomever gave me this present, gonna open it. yolo, wish me luck. On December 12 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote: I'm incredibly disappointed with the vigi if we do because he shot absolutely nobody that was a good shot. Not one of ff, ritoky etc died even though like 4 vets called them mafia -.- Not sure what i think of the present opening tbh. It would have been great to give them to all the scummy people and forced them to open them/use them to our will :/ 2 biggest proponents of a ff lynch also died which is cool, especially as lm was in the shadows while doing it so didn't look like a high priority kill Just check timestamps. You were here before. You know about the presents. You didn't push ritoky. You're not pushing him now. Your excuse of just coming to the thread isn't valid. | ||
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Holyflare is mafia. Ritoky's reason could be legit. I admit I tunnelled a bit after the present thing. I can, although with some reluctance, see his actions coming from a town perspective. More from a mafia perspective, but... I'll have to reevaluate his play in this game. I want to lynch Holyflare today. | ||
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On December 12 2014 21:42 rsoultin wrote: Why HF? And no, don't think so. Ritoky claiming so we know how he died is BS. It would just increase the possibilities from mafia/vig to mafia/vig/present, making things more difficult to decipher, not easier. Claiming before use of the power renders the power useless because now mafia has a sure thing to disable/take out over a guess. It just doesn't make sense, and while town cannot make sense, his refusal to see that is ridiculous. Yeah, that's a point. I agree with you. The problem is: HF is giving me scum vibes and although I know he busses a lot, I find hard to believe that they would both make a case against each other. | ||
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His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me. | ||
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On December 12 2014 22:05 Oatsmaster wrote: sounds appealing. Er mainly its for the waffle around the policy lynch, not policy lynch shit that wasnt waffle but shouldve been waffle. And the templar read. This is a super fluffy read that doesnt even show anything. Its super generalized and can be used for like half the players in the game. So its a contrived read that he did because he didnt feel comfortable doing something about nb and preferred to stay out of the spotlight. He scum yo. Frogs entrance is horrible, but I'm okay with this read on Templar. I don't see it like too fluffy. | ||
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Ok, give me an hour so I can eat and get to my pc before going to work. I'll bring examples and get deeper in what is making me read HF as scum. | ||
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I had to come quickly to my work so I couldn't bring the points on holyflare. By the way, mass claiming IS okay now, as a lot of vts died. It will narrow our lynches A LOT | ||
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On December 13 2014 03:30 Half the Sky wrote: Bats, if you're going to make a case on anyone using meta, I would think reading filters would be required, otherwise your case is going nowhere. GB: I don't understand the logic of mass claiming. Based on N1, we're sure they have Mass Murderer, likely the Branch Manager is out there too. Not sure about their RB or City Banker. What good does it do for our key power roles (i.e. Santa) to claim? Is there something with the mechanics you're seeing I'm not? Why mafia roles are relevant? If people mass claim, mafia will have to counter claim in order to survive for long. This means that, at least, we will have to decide between 2 claims, when one is true and the other is false. Considering Scrooge is dead, we have 3 confirmed roles for town. There's obviously a Santa. That's 4 people we are not considering lynching today already. It's a lot. I don't care much for power roles. All we have to do to win the game is to lynch mafia, that's all. | ||
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Anyway, I think it's an important topic to discuss at some point. All I'm reading are things that don't really make people mafia, which worries me. I can easily see HF as mafia in this game. I need a computer to properly show why. | ||
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On December 13 2014 05:10 sicklucker wrote: Actually whoever started with the third present should claim immediately. Just dont say who you gave it too. I can get alot of info off this. Lol what kind of info? Lololol Ok, listen: The only important point regarding presents is that ritoky claimed he got one, which is more detrimental than helpful, because, in case he don't die night1, he dies/get roleblocked night2, which is awful for town. But if you think of it again, there is no motive for him to claim that he is opening the present as mafia. I just used my brain a little more and got to this conclusion. Which means that talking about presents is only helpful when considering mass claiming. We should drop this discussion right now. HF doesn't look like he is pushin town agenda, but his own self agenda. This looks much more like mafia holyflare. He points out things that aren't really mafiaish and doesn't seem to try to further identify people's alignment. His pushes aren't for solving the game. They are mostly done just to push, just to make a lynch happen, maybe. His backtracking on froggy is weird because he kept an absolute stance regarding bunnies, who I just say sounded more null than anything, and froggy is leaning scum. HF once came to the thread and said that we should look for people outside the NB wagon, which is ridiculous. He wasn't talking about people who WASTED their votes. He was talking about people outside the main wagon. He also said me and ritoky looked the worst. You can see he is doing a timid push on ritoky, but it really doesn't sound like he is trying to figure out his alignment. Weirdly enough, the present claim from ritoky remained unquestioned by HF. MOREOVER, he did not make ANY attempt to figure out my alignment when he said I looked bad at that time. He is scum. | ||
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Yes. And I've just realised he talked about froggy looking bad, but he townreads him out of nothing later, when I ask him about Vivax and froggy. That's it guys. HF is scum. I'm voting noone else. | ||
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On December 13 2014 06:18 Tubesock wrote: I haven't seen any post that gives the ratio of mafia to town for this game. But I'm assuming since the two newby games that peaked my interest were 10/3 and we have 26 we have 6 mafia in this game. I have 5 scum that I will gladly take a lynching to show that maybe I am on the right track. I've called out 3 of them at the end of night one. They all appeared and instead of ignoring me like I feel many were, they took it more seriously. Sicklucker is really pushing this 5 thing. Templar too. Sicklucker tries to vote me to pressure but I ignore it till Templar does comes to lend a hand. If my thoughts on this are correct then Templar thought I was a strong enough threat to support Sick in pressuring me. To me this solidifies their relationship. On D1 I saw that Damdred lightly called bs on Templar's RNG. I don't know how you would rig it, but I am sure a smart person can. It seems he would only have 20 minutes to be able to figure out who to rig it to, how to rig it, and how to generally take advantage of this. Later in the game, on one of my first few posts I questioned GlowingBear on what I thought was strange behavior of Templar's list. If he responded I didn't see it. Later I challanged Kelsier on his flirting with Bunnies. His response to me I thought was strange telling me to grow up. I guess I expected a "I'm pushing the thread" or an "I'm gathering reads from...". Nope, he says I need to grow up. Huh. I noticed a pattern with Templar and Kelsier that I didn't really notice with others. GlowingBear and Holyfire challenge Templar a little on his reads and not hunting. Templar responds with "I do have reads, see: Kita, Ninja, Froggy". 6 minutes later, Templar asks Kelsier about something, and Kelsier responds with "I don't like the explanation." 2 minutes after that Templar defends Kelsier again and leaves. Damdred dying led more credence to his RNG claim. Without that, it's pretty ridiculous. I'm certainly not smart enough to do it, but is Templar and the rest smart enough? If someone looks at the RNG claim, it's pretty easy to see that there is a relationship with Templar and Kelsier. Demdred and I are the only ones with any breadcrumbs that lead to a Templar and Kelsier relationship. Who would be more important to kill to stop that trail? There is a missing piece in your case. You have to clarify to me WHY everything you said about these people MAKES THEM SCUM. For example, why Templar defending Kelsier makes him scum? Ir kelsier flips town, is templar scum? If he flips mafia, is Templar scum? Answer: I don't know, because it can be from both alignments equally. What you say doesn't me he people scum. Worse: you're calling people scum using unflipped association. | ||
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On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote: 2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.- Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand. Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this?? Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia. Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush Seriously guys. I haven't seen such and inconsistency game from holyflare. | ||
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On December 13 2014 10:04 rsoultin wrote: What's inconsistent here? Help me out. He's saying you're null leaning scum, at least as far as I can tell. Sigh fiiiiiine. I'll explain then make the fucking case on him. Argh. He says in the beginning of the game he reads me town for doing things completely wrong. I just did one, in his point of view. He is reading me as mafia for it. Do you see the inconsistency? | ||
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HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA! Part 1 Entrance On December 09 2014 08:16 Holyflare wrote: Here's how it's going to roll. This game has a cap on posts so if you start the game with usual joke crap and useless things like rng that you don't follow through with then I'm going to deem you irresponsible and not worthy of being listened to this game. I've rolled town, I'm going to save my posts instead of being usual and chatty and just come up with my usual list of who to lynch and who to never lynch so that when I get nk'd you can just follow it. Get rekt mafia His entrance is bad. He says obvious things like saving posts because of post cap (which is a big cap, by the way, you can waste some posts). He then says he will ignore people that wastes posts. The problem is: he calls Templar out for the RNG thing but does not take any stance regarding it. He is also okay to ignore a thing that in a game with post cap could be considered a scum trait. Then he says the obvious thing about not wasting posts. This means (A) his entrance is a waste of post itself for not taking any stance and saying the obvious, (B) he is okay to ignore scum traits. Why this comes from a mafia: this is just a post to try looking contributive while being noncomittal and fluffy. This is also a pre-excuse to overlook any scummy people who are wasting their posts. Froggynoddy's entrance Froggynoddy's entrance is bad. It is. On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote: Gogogo. RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking. On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options. + Show Spoiler [If you have no idea why his entrance i…] + This entrance is bad because mafia tends to have a hard time to introduce themselves into the game. They will try to sound serious, to sound committal, so they look like they're town. Under this perspective: "Gogogo" is completely forced. Lynching lurkers wasn't being a trend in the topic but he says that policy lynchings are stupid and we shouldn't discuss it. The thread wasn't discussing. So, unnecessary to bring this up. By saying that we shouldn't discuss it, he starts a discussion towards it. But that's not the only problem. In the end of his sentence he ASSUMES it is ok to go against lurkers LOLOLOLOL. Why this comes from mafia? As I've already said, mafia will try to look contributive, so this is just him trying look townie by saying something very easy to say as mafia. Worse, he then contradicts himself saying that it is okay to lynch lurkers under the lack of good target, which makes his policy-talking shit a waste of post. It is also a pre-excuse if he chooses to lynch lurkers later in the day, so he won't take responsibility for it Holyflare picks on it in a timid way: + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2014 08:23 Holyflare wrote: So what you're saying is policy lynches are terrible but if it all goes sour you want to policy lynch?? So he also thinks this post is bad. Bunnies and Vivax, however, have different opinions: + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote: @ Slam @ Damdred Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves. And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post? While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. On December 09 2014 08:35 Vivax wrote: What froggy said is simple common sense but also something that never matters cause at the end of the day it's mostly some scummy looking person getting lynched. I don't see it as scummy, just as something useless to talk about which isn't scummy at this stage of the game. The biggest accusation you could make is that he's so serious in a setting where people are kinda joking, but that's not enough to go with in my book. It's more like he's annoyed that people are discussing policies when in past games it always led to that statement of his making the most sense. Null for me. Notice that the basis of their argument is similar: it's a very easy target for scum. Then Holyflare comes with this very opportunistic post: On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote: I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because: A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad And B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off ##vote 27ninjabunnies Enjoy your date Why this comes from a mafia See, why does Holyflare doesn't attack Vivax for using the same argument? Why does he completely ignore Vivax and goes shit aggressive against bunnies? Why doesn't he even do that against froggy, the contradictory one? Because bunnies will turn into an easy lynch and the others may be (I SAID MAY BE) his scum partners. Holyflare even ended lynching bunnies. Then says that people outside the NB wagon are scummy, including froggy. But he makes NO ATTEMPT to discover his alignment. He is just pushing his own agenda, without even considering solving the game. He just says someone is scum and pushes it. Putting it in a simpler way: he says what town agenda is (looking to the wasted votes), but goes against his own agenda (pushing ritoky in a timid way) This is the end of part 1. Part 2 will be tomorrow, because I'm going to a party. | ||
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On December 13 2014 11:23 Vivax wrote: @ GB So you thought froggynoddys entrance was bad but didn't give a shit about him afterwards, also you include arguments for him being scum but only focus on HF today. Needless to say how that looks to me. Unless you have an explanation for only bringing up that entry as scummy now that you use it in your case against HF. Not impressed at all. I wasn't following the thread as I said multiple times, so your argument is invalid. You are also using ad hominem instead considering my whole argument GUUS IM DEUNK | ||
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On December 13 2014 13:40 rsoultin wrote: Viva, if you have questions for me, I am here to answer them, so it's a good time to ask. I will say, though, that GB looks like a good lynch to me today. Drunk or not. He's managed to have an excuse all game...not sitting well with me at all. U have a townread on you. Don't make me rescind that. You're not considering the present giving mechanics. It tells a lot about alignment, I'm sure HF is mafia | ||
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I'm extremely drunks Ok HF is mafia Si is Vivax Maybe Templar For sure froggy Wooioooooooe | ||
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Real tv HF used mafia M Kill him Bye ritoky idvfifv he is town | ||
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On December 13 2014 15:07 Alakaslam wrote: Yes I know this go to sleep and drink water it will help you. Maybe also Gatorade, if you have Gatorade. Hijole. Btw what you do is healthier than mine. And mine is no fun. I don't sleep so I poison my head from the inside; this may give me Alzheimer's if I keep it up Hagwgwfw slam I love you really No harsh feelings from newbies vs veteran I love you Gatorade is cool tho Lynch HF for victory | ||
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On December 13 2014 15:16 Alakaslam wrote: If GlowingBear turns out to be Jo I am going to post a lot of his comic Hahahaha What is Jô I don't even | ||
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mafia is unlikely to give presents to town With that said: 1) if you consider ritoky as town, I'm automatically town 2) there is no reason for both mafia ritoky and GlowingBear's to claim their part on the present claim 3) if aickcuier presents was given to town damdred, it means sl is town 4) the third present unclaimed was given from mafia to mafia until the death. Presence was open. | ||
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On December 13 2014 15:42 Alakaslam wrote: Lol I seriouslu missed that I t is link and zelda of GANON | ||
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HF ISMAFIA THATS ALL LYBCH HIM | ||
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I just threw up. I may breed a hospital In drinking Gatorade | ||
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Se your guys tonirrurv | ||
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Mafia is unlikely to give presents to town + Show Spoiler [Why?] + They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one. Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present. This means: If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town. If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair. That's it guys. Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462188-iv-titanic-mafia-it-has-been-a-privilege So, really, scumreading me for that is silly. | ||
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On December 14 2014 00:52 froggynoddy wrote: This is obvious. I think my head matches yours... If that was so obvious for you, why didn't you intervene to disrupt the discussion abou SL and ritoky being mafia? If that was so obvious, why didn't you say I'm likely to be town for that, considering I am been scumread a lot? | ||
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On December 14 2014 01:00 rsoultin wrote: Nice recant. Took you long enough. I'm not the first one to say no, that's stupid, just one of the first to scumread you for the mass role claim. You're still ignoring my comment that Mafia is fully capable of fake claiming the opening of a present (and what was Ritoky's main excuse, that it would be dumb to open a present as mafia if it could be the kill present?), claim that he had a KS, then follow through because mafia does have a KS. That said, I'm comfortable waiting to see if he dies tonight, if no one else who was scumreading him Day 1 feels inclined to do the same today because they think he's a stupid (or crafty) town. I'm not ignoring it, I'm considering probability. Mafia can do whatever they want to do. But it is likely that they do that? I don't believe so. He obviously received the present because I sent it to him. Unnecessary to claim it as mafia. Also, I know the setup was open on titanic v, but the thing is that a lot of vts died, the probability of we having a lot of power roles alive is high and if we all claim, we will be able to narrow people and discussion. We will narrow our lunch targets a lot. Anyway, it doesn't matter now because it is a better idea to not claim. Masons are confirmed to each other, aren't they? Because if they are, we will have another confirmed town without a power role. Do you understand why claiming masons is okay? | ||
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On December 14 2014 02:19 Alakaslam wrote: If SL is Mass Murderer he would possibly start with the death present. Presents are unknown to holders. It's in the OP. | ||
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I want you to say mafias motivation for things you call me scum for. | ||
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On December 14 2014 03:42 Tubesock wrote: You also use your part 2 to talk about presents when that implicates KILLING DAMDRED??? You are a scapegoat. Tube, sicklucker claims he sent damdred a present Damdred dies and flips town You can assume it was the death present Mafia is unlikely to give present to town day1 Therefore, SL is town | ||
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On December 14 2014 03:45 rsoultin wrote: I've made my case on you multiple times GB. Unlike you I am not under scrutiny. I've explained what I think and why I think it. As for the gut feel that is contributing to it...what have you really done for town? Falsely brought up mass-claiming like that would be helpful. A bunch of jokes. A bunch of partial reads you have to be prodded on. Many promises you fail to carry out. (Your HF case is still unfinished.) Ritoky you were pressuring a little until others started...which, if you're town, why are you pressuring the guy you think is town (cause you're not going to send anything to mafia as town) then flip right back onto HF as soon as others start pressuring Ritoky? There's something wrong about how you're playing, and the scenario with both you and Ritoky as scum works. It is ballsy like Xata said...but assuming that mafia would never play ballsy...lol. If this is the way town thinks, that's the perfect way for mafia to play. Either way its WIFOM as shit. You're so focused on this matter that you fail to properly evaluate what I've brought for holyflare. What do you think of the case? Of the arguments? Why do you think mafia would make a case on one of the strongest players in the game? Do you see ANY mafia motivation behind it? I thought ritoky was mafia. I reevaluated it after putting more thought on it, mostly when I've realised HF is sure to be scum. I'm saying people are town based on gut feelings and probability. I have experience with some players here and I feel comfortable after I see some patterns. Like batsnacks, his townplay is like this. Slam also. It's hard to explain why, because it's more of a feeling than logical reads. I've townread you for the way you evaluated the present thing on sicklucker. I'm still reading you as town. I want you to get out of the tunnel you're currently in. | ||
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Triforce isn't looking good, Templar isn't looking good, Vivax isn't looking good, froggynoddy isn't looking good, HF is scum. That's where I'm at. And I want HF lynched. I'll finish the case on him soon. I know I'm promising things and not fulfilling them, but I've been very busy as I said and I'm not feeling well today to really put effort in that case. I may do it later today, before deadline. | ||
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On December 12 2014 08:06 Palmar wrote: Day 2 Oh wait... that's not snow, that's corpses... LoneMeow the Carol Singer is dead kushm4sta the Scrooge is dead Damdred the Joyful Child is dead Koshi the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead Kitaman27 the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead It is now Day 2. Night comes in . Good Luck Lonemeow: killed by mafia Kush: visited by Marley Koshi: killed by mafia Kita: killed by mafia (3kp already) Damdred: ? Do you think there are 4 mafia kp dude? Seriously? | ||
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On December 14 2014 04:02 rsoultin wrote: I've already responded to your case GB. Your town reads I'm not arguing with, in a general sense. Your points aren't very strong to me. Sorry. I did consider them. An entrance post and a different read on 27nb than vivax doesn't scream scum to me. I feel like you're mostly basing your HF read on the fact that he wasn't killed first night, and going from there. I'm not the only one with tunnel vision. Yet I am willing to back off you for now to pursue another possible scum, so...-shrugs- We could both be town firing away erroneously, but I still don't think so. I don't understand town giving someone they think is mafia a present, dude...you should want to give it to one of your strongest town reads. You yourself have made this point multiple times. Anyway, Trfel. What do you think of that push since we're probably not going to agree on this. Dude, I gave it to someone I thought was null at the time and that I can't properly read, so, if he was town, he would have a power and if he dies, it doesn't matter because it's less one in the game I can't read. I was going to change the target but I couldn't make it until deadline. That's why my vote is wasted. By the way, STOP VOTING TUBESOCK BECAUSE HE IS TOWN | ||
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Still mafia with 4kp, if you consider damdred killed by mafia. And this is too considering that there is a mass murderer. | ||
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VOTE HF WITH ME THIS IS GOING TO BE A MISLYNCH TUBESOCK CLEARLY FITS THE PARANOID TOWNIE PERSPECTIVE HE ISN'T EVEN TRYING TO DEFEND HIMSELF, BUT PUSHING AN IMPOSSIBLE LYNCH. HE ISN'T TRYING TO DEFLECT TOWN TO THE SECOND WAGON. VOTECOUNT CLEARLY SHOWS WASTED VOTES WHICH REINFORCES THE SCENARIO OF A MISLYNCH CHANGE YOUR FUCKING VOTES RIGHT NOW | ||
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On December 14 2014 04:23 rsoultin wrote: I agree that Tubesock is town. I think he's wrong, but I think he's town. Trfel anyone? No. Consolidate on HF | ||
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On December 14 2014 04:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why the fuck are Vivax/Oats wasting their votes? THANK YOU I CAN READ YOU AS TOWN NOW | ||
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On December 14 2014 05:05 Tubesock wrote: I will never claim. I am plain vanilla town. If you think this is some claim ploy we will lose. This is LOGIC. Now I just need to help you see it. You've just claimed vt... | ||
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On December 14 2014 05:07 Alakaslam wrote: Can vouch for this + Show Spoiler + except I think Dick Bong (unfortunate name on the Internet, pot smokers and references -_-) is the best- he equaled the Red Baron in a more advanced theatre of flight Tube sock I am two dozen. I was 3 when you joined AOPA. I am an idiot talk about the best thing all you like. GB WE GET FF NOT HF WHO IS TOO GOOD HEY BUT HE IS OBVIOUS MAFIA SLAM C'MON | ||
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On December 14 2014 05:09 Vivax wrote: TUBE IS TOWN GET OFF THAT WAGON PLS AND STOP DISCUSSING PRESENTS/AMOUNT OF NKS IN THE GAME WTF AMOUNT OF NIGHTKILLS AND PRESENTS HELPS FIGURING PEOPLE'S ALIGNMET I'VE JUST PROVED SL IS TOWN DOING THAT WHARRGARBL | ||
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People can call me scum for whatever they want, I've contributed a lot when I posted serious posts. Any good player can see I'm likely to be town or at least null. I'LL MAKE THE FUCKING FULL CASE GODDAMN YOU GUYS. Geez. | ||
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Odd final count analysis and lack of push on town agenda On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote: So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness) I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead. I hope someone shoots this guy (ritoky) btw. I dunno about oats anymore. My point on him was made kinda moot by xata so he's really just a ?. Don't like his wasted vote on vivax after saying he looked towny at all though. In fact there were a LOT of wasted votes. ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies (10): Half the Sky (0): The_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy sicklucker (0): ObiWanShinobi (0): Vivax (1): Oatsmaster LightningStrike (0): sicklucker (0): liancourt (0): GlowingBear (1): Damdred Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC KelsierSC (3): Xatalos (4): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, Fecalfeast, rsoultin, froggynoddy (1): Half the Sky kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, hts gonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible A good way to catch mafia is looking at who wasted their votes on the final votecount of a day. This looks like an attempt to do that. But, you see, he oddly points out EVERY other person outside the main wagon, which is NOT a reasonable thing, specially when we are talking about such strong player as Holyflare. Following his logic, me, frog and hts looks terrible. This is him stablishing the town agenda. In fact, our wasted votes looks terrible. Reminder: he didn't like froggynoddy's entrance either. But look at how inconsistent is his play: he stablishes town agenda, but pushes his own agenda (pushing ritoky). He does NOTHING to see these 3 people's alignment. He is NOT interested in these 3 people's alignment. He is just interested to look like an aggressive townie pushing ritoky, but he is actually not trying to solve the game. He is not trying to discover ritoky's alignment. He is just pushing for the sake of pushing someone. Why this comes from a mafia?: Mafia tends to look contributive but lacks the town intention for solving the game. He simply displays 3 names people should take a look at but does not go after those names. He is disinterested in solving the game, to discover people's alignment. That's not a townie. A townie would go against those 3 names he spoke of. He just posted this analysis because he wants to look contributive. Town read on froggynoddy When I noticed these patterns, I inquired him for reads on froggynoddy and Vivax. This is his response: On December 12 2014 10:21 Holyflare wrote: I have no idea how this is relevant in the slightest when I've made it pretty clear who i think mafia are. Either way, froggy is a kindaaaa towny/i dunno read. He writes quite long posts to say not much but I dunno how to explain that I don't want to lynch him other than saying his posts look innocent enough and to the point. He also wanted people to talk to him about his templar read that he's been pushing around the deadline which was cool and I kinda regret not talking to him more, he also said something around the bunnies lynch which i forget that made it seem like he was actually thinking about the game. I wouldn't say it's particularly difficult stuff to post as mafia but it seems pretty genuine to me. Vivax has been pushing people that I agree look scummy (- xatalos) but his reasons for doing it look like he's putting in the effort to find out inconsistencies. After a few games where we've been wrong on each other I think we've just resorted to ignoring the other and are just gonna base it on overall play. Well I am anyway. Not really bothered to elaborate further. You see, he was scumreading froggy noddy, said he looked terrible by his wasted vote, BUT CALLS HIM TOWN WHEN ASKED FOR A READ. This is someone who is NOT consistent with his reads. This is someone who gives fabricated reads and forgets them, or someone who doesn't want to scumread a possible partner. I know for a fact that Holyflare does this a lot. He scumreads a partner to further townread him. Remember: HE HAD NO ATTEMPT TO DISCOVER FROGGY'S ALIGNMENT. He started having this townread on him out of nothing, which is completely scummy. I'm sure you can understand mafia motivation behind it. Scumread on me This is hilarious. I want you to check these two posts regarding me, from the most recent to the oldest: On December 13 2014 08:29 Holyflare wrote: I can only assume someone pushing so much false information is mafia. Much like ritoky who even when presented with multiple pieces of evidence to show that his meta was wrong continued to push his scum read on me. Not to mention his initial contradictory stance on how he has a super solid meta read on me but was fooled last game even though he said that meta read existed then too. Glad to see absolutely nobody in this game is paying attention to that. On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote: 2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.- Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand. Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this?? Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia. Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush HAHAHA HE SAYS IT'S A TOWN TRAIT FOR ME FOR BEING OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG, BUT WHEN HE THINKS I'M OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG THE SCUMREADS ME. This is the most inconsistent thing I have ever seen. He didn't scumread me because I acted scummy. He scumread me because he felt I was getting close to him. He is trying to discredit me and to survive, and not to figure out my alignment. Town perspective would be evaluate my action and figure out my alignment for something he already knows about my gameplay. Mafia perspective is "I'm getting caught, I have to make this guy look bad" ##VOTE: HOLYFLARE RIGHT NOW!!!! | ||
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HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA! FULL CASE 1) Entrance + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2014 08:16 Holyflare wrote: Here's how it's going to roll. This game has a cap on posts so if you start the game with usual joke crap and useless things like rng that you don't follow through with then I'm going to deem you irresponsible and not worthy of being listened to this game. I've rolled town, I'm going to save my posts instead of being usual and chatty and just come up with my usual list of who to lynch and who to never lynch so that when I get nk'd you can just follow it. Get rekt mafia His entrance is bad. He says obvious things like saving posts because of post cap (which is a big cap, by the way, you can waste some posts). He then says he will ignore people that wastes posts. The problem is: he calls Templar out for the RNG thing but does not take any stance regarding it. He is also okay to ignore a thing that in a game with post cap could be considered a scum trait. Then he says the obvious thing about not wasting posts. This means (A) his entrance is a waste of post itself for not taking any stance and saying the obvious, (B) he is okay to ignore scum traits. Why this comes from a mafia: this is just a post to try looking contributive while being noncomittal and fluffy. This is also a pre-excuse to overlook any scummy people who are wasting their posts. ********************************************************************************************* 2)Froggynoddy's entrance Froggynoddy's entrance is bad. It is. On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote: Gogogo. RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking. On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options. + Show Spoiler [If you have no idea why his entrance i…] + This entrance is bad because mafia tends to have a hard time to introduce themselves into the game. They will try to sound serious, to sound committal, so they look like they're town. Under this perspective: "Gogogo" is completely forced. Lynching lurkers wasn't being a trend in the topic but he says that policy lynchings are stupid and we shouldn't discuss it. The thread wasn't discussing. So, unnecessary to bring this up. By saying that we shouldn't discuss it, he starts a discussion towards it. But that's not the only problem. In the end of his sentence he ASSUMES it is ok to go against lurkers LOLOLOLOL. Why this comes from mafia? As I've already said, mafia will try to look contributive, so this is just him trying look townie by saying something very easy to say as mafia. Worse, he then contradicts himself saying that it is okay to lynch lurkers under the lack of good target, which makes his policy-talking shit a waste of post. It is also a pre-excuse if he chooses to lynch lurkers later in the day, so he won't take responsibility for it Holyflare picks on it in a timid way: + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2014 08:23 Holyflare wrote: So what you're saying is policy lynches are terrible but if it all goes sour you want to policy lynch?? So he also thinks this post is bad. Bunnies and Vivax, however, have different opinions: + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote: @ Slam @ Damdred Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves. And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post? While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. On December 09 2014 08:35 Vivax wrote: What froggy said is simple common sense but also something that never matters cause at the end of the day it's mostly some scummy looking person getting lynched. I don't see it as scummy, just as something useless to talk about which isn't scummy at this stage of the game. The biggest accusation you could make is that he's so serious in a setting where people are kinda joking, but that's not enough to go with in my book. It's more like he's annoyed that people are discussing policies when in past games it always led to that statement of his making the most sense. Null for me. Notice that the basis of their argument is similar: it's a very easy target for scum. Then Holyflare comes with this very opportunistic post: On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote: I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because: A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad And B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off ##vote 27ninjabunnies Enjoy your date Why this comes from a mafia See, why does Holyflare doesn't attack Vivax for using the same argument? Why does he completely ignore Vivax and goes shit aggressive against bunnies? Why doesn't he even do that against froggy, the contradictory one? Because bunnies will turn into an easy lynch and the others may be (I SAID MAY BE) his scum partners. Holyflare even ended lynching bunnies. Then says that people outside the NB wagon are scummy, including froggy. But he makes NO ATTEMPT to discover his alignment. He is just pushing his own agenda, without even considering solving the game. He just says someone is scum and pushes it. Putting it in a simpler way: he says what town agenda is (looking to the wasted votes), but goes against his own agenda (pushing ritoky in a timid way) ********************************************************************************************* 3) Odd final count analysis and lack of push on town agenda + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote: So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness) I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead. I hope someone shoots this guy (ritoky) btw. I dunno about oats anymore. My point on him was made kinda moot by xata so he's really just a ?. Don't like his wasted vote on vivax after saying he looked towny at all though. In fact there were a LOT of wasted votes. ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies (10): Half the Sky (0): The_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy sicklucker (0): ObiWanShinobi (0): Vivax (1): Oatsmaster LightningStrike (0): sicklucker (0): liancourt (0): GlowingBear (1): Damdred Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC KelsierSC (3): Xatalos (4): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, Fecalfeast, rsoultin, froggynoddy (1): Half the Sky kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, hts gonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible A good way to catch mafia is looking at who wasted their votes on the final votecount of a day. This looks like an attempt to do that. But, you see, he oddly points out EVERY other person outside the main wagon, which is NOT a reasonable thing, specially when we are talking about such strong player as Holyflare. Following his logic, me, frog and hts looks terrible. This is him stablishing the town agenda. In fact, our wasted votes looks terrible. Reminder: he didn't like froggynoddy's entrance either. But look at how inconsistent is his play: he stablishes town agenda, but pushes his own agenda (pushing ritoky). He does NOTHING to see these 3 people's alignment. He is NOT interested in these 3 people's alignment. He is just interested to look like an aggressive townie pushing ritoky, but he is actually not trying to solve the game. He is not trying to discover ritoky's alignment. He is just pushing for the sake of pushing someone. Why this comes from a mafia?: Mafia tends to look contributive but lacks the town intention for solving the game. He simply displays 3 names people should take a look at but does not go after those names. He is disinterested in solving the game, to discover people's alignment. That's not a townie. A townie would go against those 3 names he spoke of. He just posted this analysis because he wants to look contributive. ********************************************************************************************* 4)Town read on froggynoddy When I noticed these patterns, I inquired him for reads on froggynoddy and Vivax. This is his response: + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2014 10:21 Holyflare wrote: I have no idea how this is relevant in the slightest when I've made it pretty clear who i think mafia are. Either way, froggy is a kindaaaa towny/i dunno read. He writes quite long posts to say not much but I dunno how to explain that I don't want to lynch him other than saying his posts look innocent enough and to the point. He also wanted people to talk to him about his templar read that he's been pushing around the deadline which was cool and I kinda regret not talking to him more, he also said something around the bunnies lynch which i forget that made it seem like he was actually thinking about the game. I wouldn't say it's particularly difficult stuff to post as mafia but it seems pretty genuine to me. Vivax has been pushing people that I agree look scummy (- xatalos) but his reasons for doing it look like he's putting in the effort to find out inconsistencies. After a few games where we've been wrong on each other I think we've just resorted to ignoring the other and are just gonna base it on overall play. Well I am anyway. Not really bothered to elaborate further. You see, he was scumreading froggy noddy, said he looked terrible by his wasted vote, BUT CALLS HIM TOWN WHEN ASKED FOR A READ. This is someone who is NOT consistent with his reads. This is someone who gives fabricated reads and forgets them, or someone who doesn't want to scumread a possible partner. I know for a fact that Holyflare does this a lot. He scumreads a partner to further townread him. Remember: HE HAD NO ATTEMPT TO DISCOVER FROGGY'S ALIGNMENT. He started having this townread on him out of nothing, which is completely scummy. I'm sure you can understand mafia motivation behind it. ********************************************************************************************* 5) Scumread on me This is hilarious. I want you to check these two posts regarding me, from the most recent to the oldest: + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2014 08:29 Holyflare wrote: I can only assume someone pushing so much false information is mafia. Much like ritoky who even when presented with multiple pieces of evidence to show that his meta was wrong continued to push his scum read on me. Not to mention his initial contradictory stance on how he has a super solid meta read on me but was fooled last game even though he said that meta read existed then too. Glad to see absolutely nobody in this game is paying attention to that. On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote: 2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.- Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand. Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this?? Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia. Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush HAHAHA HE SAYS IT'S A TOWN TRAIT FOR ME FOR BEING OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG, BUT WHEN HE THINKS I'M OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG THE SCUMREADS ME. This is the most inconsistent thing I have ever seen. He didn't scumread me because I acted scummy. He scumread me because he felt I was getting close to him. He is trying to discredit me and to survive, and not to figure out my alignment. Town perspective would be evaluate my action and figure out my alignment for something he already knows about my gameplay. Mafia perspective is "I'm getting caught, I have to make this guy look bad" ##VOTE: HOLYFLARE RIGHT NOW!!!! 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On December 14 2014 05:55 batsnacks wrote: Part 2 was a lot better than part 1. I know. I wish I could've done it earlier. | ||
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On December 14 2014 05:58 rsoultin wrote: GB...your logic is nuts. 1. HF wanted to look at the wasted votes. He did not say that everyone "wasting" votes was scum. Nor would any sane person believe that. Froggy has barely posted. 2. Comparing an early read on you when you'd barely posted to a much later read on you does not prove inconsistency at all. This is not a good case. I'm starting to believe you're misinterpreting me on purpose. 1) Looking at wasted votes = he has suspicions. He did nothing to figure out those people's alignment. 2) It's not a thing of early read. It's that he says I'm town when I do something outrageously wrong. I do something outrageously wrong in his conception and he scumreads me. Explain me this logic, because it's absurd. Also, I forgot to say about the push on ritoky at night but not questioning the present opening thing, which is ridiculous when you have such a strong scumread. You'll have to agree with me on this because you also felt that thing was wrong. | ||
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I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HF AND I'LL PM GAY PORN EVERYDAY TO YOU GUYS. EVERYDAY. | ||
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READ MY CASE. VOTE HOLYFLARE OR POINT OUT WHY MY CASE IS WRONG. | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:05 The_Templar wrote: will switch if tubesock's tryhard defense continues to convince enough people to unvote him You will switch now. Mafia is deflecting the ongoing HF's lynch. It was the best opportunity for them to lynch HF but they started deflecting it to FF. You will switch NOW. | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:06 rsoultin wrote: I do agree with you on his not questioning ritoky's claim, GB. I cannot blame a soul for scumreading you when you're pushing mass role claims, though. You may be right that his push on both you and ritoky was reactionary. I don't know. But I do know that I don't see this as overwhelmingly scummy. Again: that's not the point. He is scumreading me for a thing he said is a town trait for me. This is the point. If you don't think this is overwhelmingly scummy, I need you to say what is. | ||
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BECAUSE I CAN AND I NEED YOU TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY OMG GLOWINGBEAR GENIUS WHARRGARBL http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=121#2402 | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:13 rsoultin wrote: I absolutely refuse to be bullied or intimidated by a player who WILL NOT consider any other lynches or trains but the one he has been pushing from (nearly) the start of the day, after a brief but ultimately lukewarm prodding at ritoky. I DO NOT believe that you give something to potential mafia (read: null reads) because that is just as stupid as telling everyone to mass claim. I DO NOT LIKE the way you keep trying to pressure everyone to play the way you want them to play, threatening them. I may be wrong about you as scum, but your legitimacy in my eyes is ZERO. And I'm not sure why others would let you strongarm them into things either. I can respect people voting HF who believe he's scum. I cannot respect your style of play. What do you think of froggynoddy? | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:13 Xatalos wrote: GB: It's hard to reread stuff on my phone, but I think your case is pretty heavy on meta and assumptions. I don't think its particularly scummy to focus on main scumreads rather than some people you mentioned once in a listpost. How do you know that HF's read on Froggy changed without reason? He might have just not reasoned every change of opinion in his filter. I didn't really get your last point. Overall not great reasons to lynch him. that's not the point. The point is: he says people are looking terrible but makes no attempt to discover their alignments. Simple as this. He couldn't change his read on froggy noddy - who someone assumed hasn't posted much - like that. There was no particular change of playstyle and he was scumreading him since the entrance. A scumread that was reinforced by a wasted vote. This kind of inconsistency isn't townie. | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:15 Vivax wrote: Let's just assume for a moment you're town. Why are you playing this game? You complain whenever there's something new to read, you don't try to find scum, and when you do it's by you being a passive prick that wants to die, saying that scum are the people pushing you and your argument for that is your alignment post-flip. The thought that you might be town scares me. He is just like that as town. Check Titanic VI. You guys are lynching a question mark over obvious mafia. | ||
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I'VE MADE A STRONG CASE ON THE GUY WHO WAS PUSHING YOU AND TEMPLAR'S CASE IS GOOD? NO WORDS REGARDING MY CASE? | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:22 ritoky wrote: i was 30 pages behind cuz of work, chillax; getting to it. also it was trfel, not templar; you should try reading it. it is pretty good. his case is just a little bit after mine, dude, lol. I read it but I'm too heated now. I'll getting out of the thread for a while. Please, all of you, read my case and give thoughts (and mostly, vote HF) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=121#2402 | ||
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I'm not really caring right now. I'm sure my case is spot on. Nobody who tried to deflect it succeeded properly. There is not counter argument for the things I've said. | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:38 Vivax wrote: I'm tempted to go for that HF case, BUT. Why is GB so stuck on HF and never on froggy when he mentions them both in one go? It just seems unnatural he would put all his efforts into HF ONLY and not at least try to discern more of froggy at the same time. Because he is my top scumread. I've already said froggynoddy is most likely mafia if HF flips red. I've so pointed out froggys bad entrance. But you're right, I'm scum because I've put a huge effort and brought good points against the strongest player in the game. I'm totes mafai. | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:44 ritoky wrote: chill GB, 1 takes a lot longer to respond to than the other Re GB's case on HF: 1) I think this point is okay at best, it shows an instance of HF acting contrary to what he is saying but in and of itself it is not a compelling reason to read someone scum. 2) I really dislike all of your stuff surrounding froggynoddy, mainly because the guy is a low volume poster who I have 0 read on and often forget even exists. So it is hard for me to gauge the situation when I have no fucking clue about 1 of the parties involved. More about this point in 4. However, I completely agree with your point about the uneven criticism of 27nb and vivax, and HF giving 1 a free pass but not the other. HF defended against it earlier claiming they did completely different things, but I just feel he was characterizing similar play differently for a convenient defense. 3) Fine with this point, think it is quality. 4) Again froggynoddy, I just don't see these points. Like, read HFs post, even he seems confused about his read on Froggynoddy: "kiiiiiiiiiiinda towny/idunno". I think you're characterizing him in this instance as having a much stronger read than he actually has, and criticizing him for having that fictitious read. Don't like these points surrounding froggynoddy. 5) I wouldn't call it "discrediting you to try to survive" since he had 0 vote pressure at the time, but I understand the point and yes he is being inconsistent/contradictory. Remove froggynoddy and I think it is an okay case. I still think the most compelling thing about HF is what I pointed out, which he is doing again this phase. He slaps his vote on an early scum read, leaves it there all phase. Then in the thread he pushes on a bunch of targets and follows through on it with 0 vote pressure. Town HF follows his pushes with vote pressure. That said, deciding which of kels, HF, FF is the most likely to flip scum atm. It is seriously christmas for me, my top 3 scum are the top 3 lynch candidates. I'll give you a motive to lynch HF first: he was never lynched as mafia before. Ta-daaaa!! | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:47 liancourt wrote: GB you can't possibly read HF. His scum game is immaculate. Like the hearthstone game he played townie as townie can be. The only thing that bugs me is that he has been totally underwhelming. Nothing comes to mind when I think of HF this game. He has not been as impactful as previous games for sure and the IRL excuse that Hf's in belgium...sure watever, but today I really want this kel lynch over HF or FF. This is why you guys always lose to mafia HF. I've scumread him correctly on Hearthstone mafia just after I died night1. | ||
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On December 14 2014 09:09 Fecalfeast wrote: THE PROPHET ARISES KSC was scum HF claimed a role but not any specific one Lololol I loved your photo by the way. You didn't debunked my case, HF, your defense was bullshit, and so is your half-assed claim. Those points still stands. Or you think I should say: "I'm sorry, I forgot Belgium has a magical barrier for mafia"? | ||
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I'll do that HF. | ||
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On December 14 2014 09:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't think it really matters either way since I always look for agenda in someone's votes when scum flips, and I don't see any in Oats' votes. They're useless, but they're town useless imo. I might do some wagon analysis later on, we'll see. Can you tell me how do you distinguish town useless from mafia useless? | ||
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On December 14 2014 10:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: See above: where is the scum motivation in leaving your vote off of both main wagons when scum is one of the wagons? His vote could have changed the outcome. It didn't; hence, no real agenda behind his useless vote. If Holyflare is scum, then that might change things based on the fact that he might have implicated himself...but it's still unlikely. scum!Oats can still get a lot of mileage out of some towncred even if both wagons are scum. Oats is not a target for tomorrow based on his vote. You're awesome. But, thinking of it that way, scum probably consolidated on HFs wagon, if HF is town, right? | ||
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On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot. 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again | ||
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On December 14 2014 10:34 rsoultin wrote: Lol is this a trap of some sort? What prevents scum from being on either wagon? Though if we're looking for odd votes that changed suddenly, Vivax was pushing KSC in Day 1 and Day 2...then suddenly shifts to HF with nothing to say for himself than "GBs case convinced me". HF turns out to be town, that would be the first spot I'd look. KSC seems like a good alt lynch to divide up town votes, but not so good when everyone jumps on board, no? By the same reasoning, Trfel's position was odd. He makes a good case against KSC, argues against GB's case enough to put KSC as the better lynch, then last minute also switches to HF on a "gut feeling". Though he was also the one asking Vivax why Vivax switched. Which is weird since neither seemed to have great reasons to do so. Why would it be a trap? Mafia has no motivation to buss at this point. If HF is town, mafia is most likely on his wagon. I can't see the problem with this kind of thought... | ||
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On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote: what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. | ||
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On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote: Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. | ||
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On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote: Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here? I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want | ||
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On December 14 2014 11:06 rsoultin wrote: ...Unless you're trying to tell me that you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, it seems like you just don't want people to see him flip. And if you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, you should be able to "discuss" that just fine. I'm not an idiot to not understand what you're hinting at here, but the dodging is unnecessary when all you had to say was "I'm having doubts." Listen: we can discuss any topic regarding HF. There are a lot of reasons why I think HF isn't a good shot. I don't want to talk about any of them. But we can discuss HFs alignment, that's for sure. I still think he is scum. Odd thing: Kelsier didn't vote HF to keep alive. Thoughts on this? | ||
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On December 14 2014 11:28 Fecalfeast wrote: He could have but it would have 8/8 with kelsier still lynched since he hit 8 first His vote + another mafia on Kelsier wagon could keep him alive and kill possible town!holyflare Which means: 1) KelsierSC wagon was pure town 2) Kelsier was bussed to give someone towncred 3) HF is also mafia. | ||
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On December 14 2014 11:48 rsoultin wrote: Lol, FF...you're praising him for stating the obvious. There literally are no other options. He just said: Either scum voted for town Or scum bussed scum when the other option was town Or scum bussed scum when the other option was scum That post is a completely useless insight lol. All you're doing is bashing on most everything I post. You want to discuss things that aren't to be discussed but does not propose another topic. That is not so obvious. You're making my post looks less informative than it really is. Kelsier keeping his vote on fecal feast is indicative of ff being town, but you seem not to care. You were also discrediting my case on HF but you now want him to flip/ thinks he might be scum. Really, you're looking really bad to my eyes. | ||
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It would put triforce on a bad position. I don't see Kelsier trying to get lynched instead of someone else. His gameplay here is nothing alike Tolkien's gameplay on hearthstone mafia or damdreds vigi claim on titanic vi. There was no scum motive to bus his partner. Triforce was also out of suspicious when he brought that case up. Which makes the bus less probable if HF is town. You fail to see how this is importantly related to something you call obvious but does not try to give thoughts in that direction. | ||
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I also never said I was wrong about you and froggy. I said I couldn't find you explicitly calling him scum. I found you calling his entrance out and saying he looks terrible for wasting his vote. Then you completely ignore those three people you said looked terrible. | ||
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No he didn't Stop talking about his shitty claim, we will now what will happen after the nightkills. I just ask you guys to be careful. In case I die, it means nothing regarding HFs alignment. Don't fall into WIFOM with the night kills. Anyway, I think I'll head the other way. If HF is mafia, I have this association that froggy noddy is mafia with him. So instead of going against HF tomorrow, I'll go against froggy noddy. By the way, if we have a vigi (which I don't think so), froggynoddy is an okay target. | ||
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On December 15 2014 06:24 Fecalfeast wrote: I also think there is scum between vivax and xat Why exactly? | ||
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On December 15 2014 06:31 Fecalfeast wrote: I've got to get ready for work so feel free to berate my shitty reads while I'm not here, I may not make it back by EoN so here's my list for now. Vivax, HF, Xat, HTS my scum reads going into the next day because they were the main proponents of the wagon on me. Vivax and HF mentioned NKs to justify a scumread on me right away, I didn't look deeper to see who else used NK logic but these two said shit right out of the gate. Vivax unvoted me before kelsier put his vote on me, then voted me again after. xat was the last one to take his vote off me. HTS honestly is a gut read and pretty weak. I'm not going through the first day/night again so if there's anything in there that makes this list stupid let me know. Slam SL truffles liancourt top towns for me You were easily sheeping me and I'm not your top town. Dude. Duuude. | ||
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On December 15 2014 06:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Something is seriously wrong here. I have two people on the HF wagon as townreads and two others are claimed roles. ... And they are?? | ||
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He couldn't possibly change his vote to Kelsier because I looked like a townie certain of my read. That's bullshit. | ||
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Is there a mafia rolecop? Holyflare, claim Veteran or I'll lynch you. | ||
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He only kills claimed disgruntled. It's a mechanic to prevent mass claim, I suppose. There is still a mass murderer. A shot was roleblocked/hit the veteran. | ||
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On December 15 2014 09:52 sicklucker wrote: Theres no mass murderer im like 95%+ sure. Your right holyflare is totally the veteran that explains everything and if hes not hes certainly gonna claim it... There IS a mass murderer considering quantity of dead people day1 | ||
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On December 15 2014 09:55 rsoultin wrote: GB, I'm going to give you a minute to read before calling you an idiot. Or scum. You will find the answer if you haven't already. What am I missing? | ||
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On December 15 2014 08:05 batsnacks wrote: What about ritoky though? ##vote: ritoky You can't vote ritoky if you think HF is mafia. C'mon. | ||
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On December 15 2014 10:10 rsoultin wrote: There is more than one scum left, GB. Unless the vig shot the seer. lololol Why are you ALWAYS deflecting pushed on holyflare? Like, ALWAYS. He claimed he was a role at night. He was obviously wishing to be shot. This can only mean these things in his perspective: 1) Town holyflare bored with the game and upset he wasn't defended by town willing to die 2) Veteran holyflare trying to waste a shot from mafia 3) Mafia HF trying to take towncred Number 3 is such a bad play for mafia... Argh HF... | ||
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On December 15 2014 10:10 rsoultin wrote: There is more than one scum left, GB. Unless the vig shot the seer. lololol Like, dude. Froggynoddy is most likely mafia. Oats is most likely mafia. Why shooting HF who "half" claimed? Why would he shot the most townie person in the game? WTF... | ||
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On December 15 2014 10:17 Fecalfeast wrote: wtf why are there only 2 kills? Sorry I was actually busy until now, got myself a christmas tree. I'm starting to suspect some of these 'confirmed' towns we have. There's no mass murderer, there can't be unless someone didn't shoot even if there was a snowman or JK save. There is certainly a branch manager because of the disgruntled worker kills. All I can see is snowman got hit + JK exists and saved someone as well if we are to assert there is a mass murderer. ... Mass murderer can hold his shot. This would lead space to mafia HF to claim veteran. | ||
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On December 15 2014 10:23 Fecalfeast wrote: Rasputin called ritoky out before he showed up saying "I bet ritoky claims RB" It doesn't mean rsoultin was roleblocked. I want people who was roleblocked to claim right now. | ||
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On December 15 2014 10:25 rsoultin wrote: It was obviously a joke, GB. The Branch Manager was lynched. There is no possible way that there is only one scum left. And no, I did not claim being roleblocked. I called that ritoky would claim that -shrugs- He either was as town, or he'd have to claim it, to look town. No great insight, that. No reason for mafia to claim being roleblocked. Best mafia play = shoot one lurking townie and claims shooting him because he was looking scummy. | ||
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On December 15 2014 10:37 rsoultin wrote: EBWOP: Nevermind. You were talking about Night 1 there weren't you GB? It's possible he shot randomly into the crowd and happened to hit what he needed to, but yeah, it's probably more likely that someone else shot. I don't think that's how the mechanic works... Anyway, yes, I was talking about night1 It has been a long day and I'm not thinking properly now. Gonna put thoughts on things tomorrow. I gently ask for anyone who was roleblocked night1 and night2 to claim it. | ||
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On December 15 2014 10:42 sicklucker wrote: No there was 1 role with extra kp and we killed it. ... Seriously. SL. I always post shit and eventually get ignored. But you, man... I have no words... | ||
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On December 15 2014 11:50 Alakaslam wrote: Ya So We just kill HF FF Or Ritok Ok? Ez day. If you are one of those three just push one of the other two very simple but not easy Hm. Slam. What should town do? I think it's reasonable to assume that the rolecop present fell in the hands of mafia. I want the first present holder to claim if he isn't mafia. | ||
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Before going with any further push, I'll read those three filters to see any kind of pattern. If they had a scumread on the same guys, we should lynch them. I think obis vote analysis is a very good way to start scumhunting. | ||
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On December 15 2014 12:16 rsoultin wrote: ritoky said he was so...we are or he's lying There's nothing on the OP saying that. However, I've just saw this on the OP: "8. The branch manager can always attempt to shoot, but he only has two bullets, and if the target is not a worker, nothing happens." | ||
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On December 15 2014 10:50 sicklucker wrote: na so many of them died on n1 he almost certainly correctly hit n1. TMI? | ||
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Ritoky, why were you reading ff as mafia on day1? | ||
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Scumreads me Scumreads ritoky Lands his vote on FF. COME ON. Really. There isn't a world where HF is town here. | ||
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On December 15 2014 12:58 ritoky wrote: I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed. As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say. We're you notified? | ||
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On December 15 2014 13:07 ritoky wrote: of what? i was notified that my attempt to kill failed. i assumed it was due to RB, because i sincerely doubt any1 would protect who i tried to shoot. it did not say specifically RB tho Ok. Another topic: oats voted Vivax twice. He said day1 Vivax was town. He kept his vote on him. I disagree with obi. This is not a a lazy town vote. Where the fuck is oats? | ||
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On December 15 2014 13:16 rsoultin wrote: Eh, Xatalos. For awhile I thought he'd be a good person to listen to/sheep. What I mean by that is people have town reads, yes, but not all your town reads are going to be players you actually agree with. Xatalos is logical and appeals to my need for things to make sense, and I was townreading him. I'm less certain of him now. Not so much because of the voting at the end of the day, but because I went back through his filter when Vivax was riding him. He's very...noncommittal through most of it? Yes I know this is something to do with tone. But his reads and statements came off very cautious to me, like he's reluctant to make scum reads or something. Cautious about bunnies, reading KSC as town because his move was "too bold" for mafia, lynching bunnies cause no reason not to, noncommittal about HF and Vivax still being alive after night 1 (like he's hinting that they might be scum but not willing to pursue it), focusing on Tubes "scumslip", FF then becomes "too scum to be scum"...but then goes back to scumreading him for something called "Occam's razor"? I'm assuming that means if it smells like a rat it's a rat in layman's terms, but I haven't looked it up. Don't see any point where he's reading someone as strongly scummy, just this side of null. And he does seem to dismiss KSC as a potential lynch entirely, too, but that could just be a town being wrong. I also don't see (though I might have missed it) where his ritoky read changed from town to a possible lynch. Xatalos said he had reads but wouldn't give them Night 2. He may have had his reasons, but I'd like to see them now. I'm not scum-reading him, per se, but there are doubts in my head now. I think I just didn't notice him as much because he's not as vocal/confrontational as a lot of the other players, and I don't know that caution in and of itself is a exclusive to scum, but given how often he's commented that scum wouldn't do anything to draw attention to themselves, and then seeing how cautiously he's been playing...it does bring up doubts. I have no idea how can you townread him earlier but keep your vote on him day1. I also have no idea how you vote someone day1 without noticing them much. | ||
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Please lynch HF today. I have to sleep... | ||
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There was a lot of discussion about how only town would give to a town a present | ||
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Although I must say I'm impressed with his play here. | ||
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I didn't want vigi to shoot HF because: 1) He could be town (I'm positive he is mafia but I don't have perfect information) and the way he claimed he was a role made me think he was the veteran. That's why I didn't want to talk, at night, exactly WHY HF wasn't a good shot 2) We have questions marks/scummy lurkers that are more worthy of a vigi shot: froggy, oats were the best shots. | ||
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I remember pretty well you going against Rayn and other players when you thought they are mafia, and you're not doing it this game. Instead, you were picking on ritoky just the way you were picking on obi on hearthstone mafia. You're pushing people because they are "lying", the same excuse you used with obi in that game. Now, really, you say 3 people are terrible for wasting their votes, does not go against them, scumreads me and ritoky, drops your vote on FF, who was soft confirmed town by Santa. A scum who was dying wasted his vote instead of trying to survive and kill you. You don't think all the facts are against you? | ||
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On December 15 2014 22:34 Holyflare wrote: Do you think i could lynch you with 0 posts left im the day? Do you think i could lynch ritoky with 0 posts left in the day? Did i think fecal had a great chance of being mafia? Only 1 of those questions has a yes answer. I was also going to check my present at night to see if ritoky actually opened it and whether he was just lying so that's why i didn't push him about his present but you fucked with everything gb. This game is perfectly different because I'm limited by posts and not only am i on holiday and being forced to fucking post every 5 minutes just to defend myself from your bull shit but it's hard to really follow on when I'm trying to enjoy time with my gf on a romantic trip, I've done what I can and I've pushed DECENT things. Ritoky has a great fucking chance at beinf mafia now that he claimed rb while obi most likely did too but you ignore it. You push all this useless shit. You have no idea what makes me town and what makes me mafia just like last game where you thought i was 100% mafia so different insta lynch and I wasn't. You are literally just dwindling away my post count for your own gain. You haven't done anything you said in regards to my defence. You rescinded your points about me and froggy. You made up bs about me pushing things i would do normally etc. I researched the peoples votes and made extra reads on them when you asked me to and then somehow evolving a read on those people makes me scum but so does my stale vote on bunnies and so does my present sending (which apparently you use a heuristic to town read yourself. Yeh fuck that) nothing you say makes any sense. I suggest you drop everything. You leave me the fuck alone. You play the rest of the game in a little corner and either do absolutely nothing and admit you are mafia or post reads about actual people that could be mafia. I'm so tired of your useless shit. I'm not responding to you anymore. Alright. I've made most of my points against you anyway. If I wish to clarify things about you, I'll make one big post about you and you attack it point by point, and we don't waste more posts on this quarrel. Alright? Let's consider we are town vs town here. Mafia is probably lurking and letting us kill ourselves. Who are they? | ||
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Bah. Froggynoddy is scum. Bye. | ||
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Why did the mason didn't claim yet? I want to clear names from my head and go against scummy people. This is the most important thing. Yet here we are wasting our time instead of figuring out other people's alignment. | ||
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I don't know what I make of rsoultin. Templar fits the lurking mafia Obi dying and not shooting is weird. It's hard to believe mafia nailed his alignment, roleblocked and killed him. But it seems he was roleblocked which means ritoky could be saved by nigella. Which again makes no sense. Argh. Froggynoddy is worthless in this game So is oats, who townread Vivax day1 after a long quarrel but keeps his vote on his townread HTS looks bad because it doesn't look like she is trying. Same to Tubesock. It makes no sense, however, that Templar is scum with Tubesock. His pushes on Tubesock are timid. I can see Templar very well being mafia. | ||
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On December 16 2014 02:33 Alakaslam wrote: Froggynoddy to lynch I'm lynching HF today. I just want to bounce some reads. | ||
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None of you has good reasons against me. Jesus. | ||
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On December 16 2014 09:53 rsoultin wrote: 1. I've addressed GBs case on HF in-thread. 2. Not sure how I've been less than committal on you and GB. The burden of proof is on you, because I think my "commitment" has been rather obvious. 3. I said right in my Xata read that I'm not necessarily reading him as scum, just that his play is very cautious and that raised doubts. 4. I have since apologized to Tube, and even explained what I thought and where I've gone wrong with my read on SL. Not to mention I said earlier that it was meta and he was the only one I was comfortable meta-reading. So clearly you do need to go through my filter or read the thread yourself. He is saying that although you are scumreading us you aren't trying to convince people that we are scum. This is you being non committal. | ||
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But you still voted him at the end of day1 Of course you tried to say that "earlier" was "day2", but I find hard to believe you turned a scumread into an easily sheep able player. | ||
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On December 16 2014 09:58 rsoultin wrote: Now that is quite hilarious. No worries, GB. If I haven't been coming at you enough already, you'll get your wish. You don't get it. You are pushing me. You are asking me questions. You are inquiring me. But you're making nothing with it. You're voting me? Awesome. You can't lynch me with only your vote. Youre not trying to convince others to place their votes on me. You see, you're the only one voting me. You aren't trying to get others voting me. So you may be trying to look committal, but you aren't, because you aren't really trying to get me lynched. | ||
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On December 16 2014 10:02 rsoultin wrote: I could quote my earlier post and bold the salient portions, like when I said I was trying to get him to explain his read on 27nb, and that his comments are based in logic which appeals to my need for things to make sense. However, I won't. I'm not getting into an argument with you over minor details in a read on Xata when I have your case to build. A pressure vote is never stuck in a final vote count. Never. This argument of yours is invalid. Can you quote a post of his where do you think it's sheep able, where there is this solid logic you're saying? | ||
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So townie. | ||
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On December 16 2014 10:21 Holyflare wrote: And gb i afk'd after making those cases but if you want to bounce i think it's you, ritoky, templar, oats I'm with froggynoddy, you, Xatalos, ritoky(?), maybe Templar. Can you explain to me exactly what makes froggy null more than scummy? I have a hard time understanding it. Oats does look bad, btw. | ||
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But looking at his filter and other dead people I feel like he is most likely town, although he has this weird things I'm pointing out. | ||
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On December 16 2014 10:33 Holyflare wrote: Nothing more than ritoky claiming scum really :p Argh yeah, the roleblocking thing is awful... I don't know what to make of it... Although ff is most likely town too, him "praising" me makes me feel so uneasy on him... ARGH | ||
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On December 16 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote: I've gone through fluctuations with ritoky the most tbh. Like scummy as fuck for the bs meta case to not really scummy for claiming the present but also scummy for claiming the present and then he actually saw your case on me was bad and hammered mafia so i thought he may have actually just been retarded town again and then he claimed mafia and replaced froggy who was the weakest of my reads. All the other ones have good reasons to be scum and froggy was just afk and agreeing with your case. My problem here is that his entrance was bad and he didn't step up after. He admits that when we don't have a good read it is okay to lynch lurkers. Then, a huge wagon was on bunnies, so: a) he either believes bunnies is mafia or b) has no idea and tries to lynch a lurker. I don't see him doing any of these. | ||
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On December 12 2014 22:50 froggynoddy wrote: [Am reading through the thread and responding to what I see - hence disjointed structure] I don't like the ritocky vote. When the NB wagon was going he was the only one to really try and pressure two other players. This feels town to me (as NB flipped town herself). Declaring he was opening the present is stupid, not scummy (as far as I understand the mechanic of preseent opening. -------------------------------------------- This has already been answered in the thread. I don't like that you are asking this straight up. I personally think its way too early to role claim. We need to lynch properly and then consider day 3. -------------------------------------------- The templar is definitely scum. All his posts so far have been sensible yet have given nothing of value. He has not pushed or. Oats would also be a good lynch but would prefer templar. -------------------------------------------- Holy slip batman! ##Vote: Tubesock Like, this thing here. He says Templar is definetely mafia but bad up voting Tubesock. I can't understand town mindset behind this | ||
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On December 16 2014 10:59 Holyflare wrote: Man he says he agrees with your case but then questions you about how inconsistent doesn't = scummy when that's the whole premise of your case. I mean like mehhh. He doesn't end up voting for me which is a ++++ though his vote is very wasted. Yeah. I'll vote him if you also vote | ||
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On December 16 2014 10:59 batsnacks wrote: Okay being serious. What if ritoky and HF are BOTH town? What if we believe everything they expect us to believe. ritoky made a bad decision and got himself into a bad cycle of lies HF is being incriminated by an apathetic KSC and ritoky who made a bad decision and got himsrlf into a bad cycle of lies What then? Then mafia just sat back and let us die. | ||
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On December 16 2014 11:03 Holyflare wrote: Over someone that practically claimed mafia.....??? Will you vote froggynoddy or not? | ||
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Ok. I still don't know what to do with ritoky. | ||
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On December 16 2014 12:45 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont get anyone saying that we shouldnt lynch confirmed mafia. Thats lunacy. Other than that, holyflare and xata are both lame dumbo scum as well as Vivax. There is a reason why nobody is picking up my lynch. I'm sorry, you've already caught up? | ||
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Who's up for another target? | ||
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Yes. Let's do it? | ||
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On December 16 2014 22:37 rsoultin wrote: Care to comment on any of the points on my case on you GB? If not ritoky, I will be voting you as it stands, for the reasons mentioned in the case. I haven't read it because, as I know I'm town, any points brought against me are automatically wrong. Anyway, is there something in there you think an explanation would be good? | ||
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Hint: vigi shot Lone Meow | ||
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HAHAHA Simple logic is the answer. Who are you voting? Beware: I'm completely flipping my reads. | ||
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On December 17 2014 00:29 sicklucker wrote: Post where are veg scum read lone meow? Anyway wont be here for vote dont do anything dumb like vote out gb today plz I've completely flipped my read on you. You'd better get me lynched. | ||
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HAMMERTIME! SL, Vivax, lian, ritoky Get rekt. | ||
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You've got it, anyways | ||
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On December 17 2014 00:44 sicklucker wrote: Vivax Is like confirmed town. Explain this should be interesting and kind of random Haha. I would rather see you explaining why Vivax is confirmed town. | ||
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On December 17 2014 00:46 batsnacks wrote: If Ritoky is mafia then HF is mafia. If you don't think HF is mafia then you honestly have no business voting ritoky. If HF is town then ritoky is just a stupid lynch liars policy. Holyflare is town, ritoky hammered KSC to gain town credit and push a mislynch on a powerful player like holyflare so we could waste a tucking day discussing him, then he flips town, and all they have to do is keep me alive and blame me to waste another day on a mislynch on me. Omg I can feel obi screaming on the OBS qt about how stupid we are for not realising it and I can see damdred saying that he never opened a present. | ||
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On December 17 2014 00:52 sicklucker wrote: Ls and vivax claimed roles at great risk with little reward. No one counterclaimed they are roles that are only gonna be one of, palmar just wants to mindfuck you. When I say "like confirmed" I say as in like 99% chance. As in you never ever ever vote them out. Wheres my mafia motivation in hard defending you? Tmi and perfect information. I'm valuable for mafia because I was dead wrong. Keeping me alive is absolutely awesome for mafia. Until now, of course. If I was so right on holyflare I would be dead night2 SPECIALLY if there was a mass murderer. Oh I'm loving this game again!!! | ||
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On December 17 2014 00:54 batsnacks wrote: So you think KSC wasted his vote to give ritoky town credit too? You think they traded 2 scum for a HF mislynch? I don't think so. I don't understand what you're saying about trading 2 mafia. They traded a mafia to give ritoky town cred, saving him from a possible lynch day3 and condemning holyflare to get mislynched day3, getting me responsible for HFs mislynch and getting me dead day4 | ||
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Because that makes one of my theories even greater. | ||
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I'll be off for one hour or two. I'd love to see if someone realises what I'm saying by that time. If noone has solved it, I'll bring the analysis. | ||
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On December 17 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote: I thought it was already proven obi shot lonemeow? Lonemeow was sick towny and obi said lonemeow was mafia before he shot him If you knew it, and you saw the nightkill discussion, and didn't reveal it after his death, and you're town, I don't know what to say. | ||
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Did anyone post the analysis I was taking about or I'll have to do this now? | ||
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On December 17 2014 09:51 LightningStrike wrote: You have to do it because no one here buys the HF excepet like 2 people. I'm finding so hard to figure out HFs alignment in this game... | ||
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On December 17 2014 10:18 rsoultin wrote: Explain your reads please, GB. Backpedaling on HF when you've been called out for tunneling on him for stupid reasons isn't really impressing me. Neither is the fact that once you were under fire for it and more people actually started listening, lian took up your mantle. Shouldn't you be on board with him right now going MAFIA WOULDN'T BUSS MAFIA OVER TOWN OMG YOU GUYS ARE SO STUPID LYNCH HF NOW!!! Bats is saying it, too. What changed, GB? I don't really know. I had a perfect scenario where HF couldn't make part of it, but mass murderer flipping makes things strange. I assumed I could be wrong. And for a second it looked that HF could be town. There is a point here: would mafia holyflare bus mass murderer so hard just to get town cred? Maybe that's why he stopped pushing ritoky until I said he looked weird? I don't know man. It's very confusing. | ||
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If you're still scumreading me, remember that I was the one that started to ask questions about notification to ritoky. This is exactly what I was trying to achieve at that moment. That's why after his answer I asked anyone who was roleblocked day1 to claim. Also, as holyflare quoted Vivax, LoneMeow was shot by vigi. Proof one is that Obi said he was reading LM as mafia Proof two is that, as only 2 kills happened, Obi was shot AND roleblocked, which is TOO accurate night actions for mafia UNLESS they realise obi was the only one scumreading LM. And as they know they didn't shoot LM night one, it was easy to know who to roleblock and kill. | ||
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Also, ritoky probably sent his present to another scum partner when he claimed he was going to open it. HF, please, open your present if you haven't sent it yet. | ||
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On December 17 2014 10:38 rsoultin wrote: ^So why are we talking about HF now? I asked for your reads. You were going to give us the grand mafia plan. How does ritoky being mass murderer change anything? Was your scumlist contingent on which scum role he pulled? You gave us these and voted HF. You said not ritoky or HF today. You proposed froggynoddy before these four. What's going on with you, GB? I said not ritoky or HF as a reaction to see who would try to deflect a lynch on a partner. Scumreading both lian and Vivax for actually trying to do it. Thinking that there was the KSC role and that kita, the disgruntled, died, I thought he was shot by KSC. This would mean that other kills were kush, damdred and LM. LM was killed by vigi. Only 2 kills left. So damdred didn't die from the present, he died from the 2kp, which means SL gave the present to him and killed him to say it was the death present who killed him to gain towncred. | ||
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On December 17 2014 10:40 rsoultin wrote: You said okay and moved on. Bats is the one who figured it out. Come on, GB. You can't claim credit for what you didn't do. You didn't even vote ritoky after supposedly trapping him. Because I couldn't get back earlier to change my vote. If you think that bats was the guy who made the hard push, you're wrong. If you really think I would question my scum partner so he slips doing something impossible... | ||
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On December 17 2014 10:47 LightningStrike wrote: I know some people would question their scum partner just to look townie. Really? "Who did you try to shoot? Did you receive a notification?" Why the fuck I would ask him such question if I wasn't intending to see if another person would claim being roleblocked to see if there was such thing as roleblocking notification? Seriously. Think of it. Also, if we consider that mafia had 4kp night1 (2kp + banker + mass murderer) it means kush wasn't killed by Marley, but by a real shot, which means that there is a possibility that there is no Marley role and therefore no other spirit role and palmar is a dick for putting Scrooge with not other ghosts. | ||
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With LoneMeow killed by vigi, these were the mafia nightkills: kushm4sta the Scrooge is dead Damdred the Joyful Child is dead Koshi the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead Kitaman27 the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead We already know that there are 3 shots here (2 mafia kp + mass murderer) We have to decide if kush was shot by the mass murderer and that either koshi or kita were shot by the banker or banker missed his shot and kush was killed by Marley. By the way, it seems the first option to me, making LS and Vivax claims (much more LS's, he had no motivation to claim day2) look bad. It also means damdred was shot instead of dying by the present. Which means SL is scum or scum is setting SL up. Anyway, hard to believe scum would try to soft confirm SL thinking that he would be scum later. Which means SL is very likely to be scum. Which leaves to the conclusion that SL, Vivax and LS could be scum together. Considering lian tried to deflect the lynch from both ritoky and HF, I pointing FoS at him. This will be my last post for now, because I've only for five left this night. | ||
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On December 17 2014 10:58 rsoultin wrote: [/b]So what you're trying to tell me is that you were able to post in this thread upwards of 10 times after coming out with your amazing scum team revelation, talking about HF being a mislynch, but you weren't able to change your vote on HF. Uh huh. Reactions were important for the thing I've claimed. Mafia was probably surprised with what I said and probably were going to overreact, deflect, or give TMI (HF said it was obvious when it wasn't for me, I didn't see Vivax quoting obi; SL co inf and talking about roles and that I HAD TO SPECIFICALLY GO THROUGH THE VIGIS FILTER AND SHOW THAT HE KILLED. This is too much insight, he KNEW it was in obis filter) So what you're trying to tell me is you weren't blue-fishing trying to get people to claim being RBd? If you knew that they didn't receive notifications, then them claiming it would be the same as claiming to have a role. No it's not, there are host who says when a person was roleblocked even if they don't have a role So what you're trying to tell me is that we should give you more credit than bats who actually did find out the real information and got rit to crack. I'm telling you that bats only got ritoky lying because I've questioned ritoky things that a partner would never ask in order to prevent him from slipping. GB...BS on top of BS. Seriously, I'm reading you as town, but you're making it so difficult to see you after these simple facts... Now I have only 4 posts and I'm really going to keep them. Good night. | ||
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Who was it? I'm making a fucking ton of sense and any townie can clearly see my stream of thoughts. | ||
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On December 17 2014 11:42 rsoultin wrote: Lol I guess we're all mafia then, according to GB logic How do you know the person who gave it to him is even still alive, GB? We've got a lot of dead right now ^^ If he has got the present day3, the person was still alive day2. I the person was still alive day2, if it wasn't Kelsier who gave the present to HF, it was either obi or Trfel. Considering Trfel ended up voting HF and obi wasn't sure about HF, they probably didn't send him the present. My question continues: who sent the present to holyflare? | ||
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On December 17 2014 12:01 Holyflare wrote: I didn't send the present to fecal you tool i got the present n1 and sent it on day 2. That person then sent it to fecal day 3 and here we are with fecal receiving it n3. And that person is...? Rsoultin, it's pretty clear who I'm scumreading right now and you can take froggynoddy out of that list. I may be wrong on SL because he claimed that he sent a present to damdred and maybe, MAYBE mafia preferred to kill damdy instead of roleblocking him night2. I don't really know. Really, you should read what I wrote. There are some mistypings but you can clearly see my stream of thought. You've been hard defending HF and ignoring my points and trying to discredit me for a long time. I'm ignoring you because you're either scum or donkey town for now. I think I have just one more post left now. Gonna really try to sleep. | ||
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YOU GAVE YOUR PRESENT TO WHO? | ||
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Have in mind that the probability of the Mass Murderer holding his shot day1 is very very low, which means damdred was shot instead of killed by the death present. This leads to two possibilities: 1) Sicklucker claimed giving the present to Damdred as mafia because he knew that mafia was going to shoot damdred and that he would gain towncred for the giving thing (less likely) 2) As mafia knew sicklucker was dumb enough to claim to who he gave the present, they simply shot the present bearer (more likely) kushm4sta the Scrooge is dead Damdred the Joyful Child is dead Koshi the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead Kitaman27 the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead Although two disgruntled died, I now find hard to believe they were shot by the banker. Because the guys who were shot are very strong players, and if mafia decided to take a risk to waste a kp on kush, useless player (sorry kush); I don't know what to say. This means there's obviously a Marley. Sigh. There is no way mafia had perfect two actions on the vigi at the same time without having privileged information. As they couldn't have used a rolecop present, neither have a rolecop power, they knew obi was the vigi because LoneMeow died. That's how obis shot didn't get through. I doubt obi, as the aggressive player he is (not hostile, but aggressive), he wouldn't hold his shot. This leads to another theory: knowing it was obi the vigilante, they knew they had to roleblock him. With two disgruntled dead, the banker wasn't really a power role anymore, so he could be sacrificed. Which means holyflare is probably the roleblocker. He was kept alive to prevent obis shot. And the mass murderer, with two shots wasted, could be lynched. But nothing better than mislynching. So I reaction tested people into lynching outside the main wagons on day3. Search for people who instantly agreed and pushed hard another lynch. This is a post who confirms holyflare as mafia: + Show Spoiler + On December 17 2014 12:01 Holyflare wrote: I didn't send the present to fecal you tool i got the present n1 and sent it on day 2. That person then sent it to fecal day 3 and here we are with fecal receiving it n3. He is omitting the person who he sent the present. There is no town motive to keep it as a secret, because there is nothing that could make mafia kill the one who has no present anymore. Do you know why he omitted it? Because if he is mafia and sent the present to a partner; A) if he lies and says he sent to a townie, the townie will say he never got the present from him B) if he says it was a mafia partner, if HF is lynched and flips red, he automatically incriminates his partner. I was waiting to see if Holyflare would answer me so we could have two mafia to kill, but it seems HF is ignoring me (by the time I've made this post). Now, with holyflare flipping mafia, take a look at rsoultin. He's been discrediting me for no reason, hard defending HF the whole game for no reason either, and he is not doing ANYTHING to get his scumreads lynched. There is a post from rsoultin in the thread where, when I say I'm going to post part2 on HFs case, he says it wouldn't be necessary. Do you see town motivation behind this phrase? Looking at this post in a vacuum, I can't see a world where town could possibly deny his scumread into giving reads on someone. I can see a world where scum is trying to put down a potential case on his partner. This is unflipped, so, HF must flip to get this read right. So, take a look at him. It's very strange the way he is pushing things. But for his effort and high post count, he could be town or very good scum. Go after liancourt because he was the guy who most draw attention regarding voting someone else outside the ritoky/HF wagon. I've noted this yesterday, please take a look: + Show Spoiler + Scum hammered KSC because they needed HF to roleblock obi, as they knew obi was the vigi. Mass murderer lost his last shot which means he was useless and holyflare was more important. Search for people who wanted to lynch other people or ended up on ritoky on the last second. People on HF wagon are probably town. Whoever wanted to lynch HF but decided another person was better and tried to push this other vote is most likely mafia. In the votecounts, if you can find people wasting their votes on day1, hammering KSC day2 and voting oats day3, the probability of being mafia is huge. Townreads based solely on feelings and not thinking on objective arguments: Slam Tubesock Rsoultin SL (Yes, I KNOW how this sounds contradictory, but it isn't, because I'm talking about gut feelings without consider any objective argument. I'm reading SL and Rsoultin as possible scum considering other arguments and NOT gut feeling). This is my last post, unfortunately. (I was waiting to see if HF would post a name, but since he didn't post it until now and people are already saying he won't say, I'm posting it) | ||
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On December 18 2014 10:07 Oatsmaster wrote: tmi. Actually its super silly for holyflare to fakeclaim really badly. Hes better than that. Sadly. Really bad as scum Extremely bad as town It's ridiculous how many inconsistencies I've found on holyflare's gameplay. He's not one to drown on such fallacies and misinterpretations of posts. It sounds mafia. It makes perfect sense that HF is the roleblocker therefore they lynched KSC. Obi obviously did shot LoneMeow. If you can't see this, you're really stupid. Town holyflare has no problem in saying to whom he gave the present, because this guy already doesn't have the present l, so it's safe to claim to whom he has given it. He doesn't say because he will incriminate another mafia if he says or the townie will say he never got the present. This is a simple scum claim. If you doubt it, just ask to HF to whom he gave the present. If he refuses to say, ask why. He won't give you a satisfactory reason, I guarantee. Also, have this in mind: if he sent his present to someone, how does he knows this person have this present to FF instead of opening it? How does he knows this person gave the present to FF? Hint: it's because he gave the present to his scum partner and FF not being dead means he is the Godfather. Forget it's me who is saying this. Think of it as a whisper in the dark. Doesn't it makes sense? | ||
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If you can't see this, you need serious coaching. | ||
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So holyflare sent it to a scum partner because he will be caught on a lie of he says he sent it to a townie and he will incriminate a mafia partner if he gets lybched and flip red. Again, it's simple logic. | ||
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On December 18 2014 16:57 Oatsmaster wrote: So why would scum holyflare be so bad at claiming? Why town holyflare would be so bad at claiming? The argument that holyflare is better than this is bullshitty. | ||
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It's a shame I have such strong scumread on you | ||
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On December 18 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote: Yes well you're as awful as ever or are mafia and I'm leaning the latter, quite heavily. If you aren't mafia then you'll be getting lynched next cycle after I flip and would have singlehandedly lost the entire game because you're too stubborn to realise you are wrong. "Ok" | ||
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On December 19 2014 00:58 Alakaslam wrote: Hijole GB how often u understand the español with your Portuguese? Hiiiiiijole Mi Español esta feo I can understand almost everything with it I can even try to speak a hybrid (Portuñol ) but I'll have some mistakes like the "contundent" I had before in English. | ||
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On December 19 2014 01:24 Alakaslam wrote: Saves "Hijo le" y significado diferenté? Jajaja Si muchos hombres usar en mi trabajando "Hiiiijole CHINGA le SEMANA!" Estas enojados I'm not mad. Hijole isn't a word in Portuguese and there is no similar... I think it could be something like "WOW" or "GODDAMNIT!" Chinga le semana HAHAHAHAHA PORRA DE SEMANA!!! | ||
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On December 19 2014 01:38 Holyflare wrote: you bad at law bro, the indemnification part is so you can't do anything to me after the contract has ended or claim for things that arose out of the contract I thought it was for breach of contract...? | ||
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On December 19 2014 01:59 Holyflare wrote: this game feels so fucking peaceful when it's full of actual content and reads btw so i might just afk when sicklucker/lian turn up with their usual shit QFT I've wasted too much breath with ironclad logic and people aren't giving shit so I'd rather have fun with interactions instead of bringing newer and newer content. If I'm not mafia, HF, who would you say it might be the remaining scums? | ||
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On December 19 2014 02:07 Holyflare wrote: and no gb your logic wasn't ironclad in the slightest seeing as it's totally wrong Nah, don't worry, I'm okay with it, I'm not going to push you anymore because I'm lacking energy / motivation to do so. I'd rather debate with you about who is mafia in case you really die and flip green, so I can sheep you, as I've promised before. If you have posted why you think Xata is scum, I didn't see it, so if you could summarise it to me, I'd appreciate. | ||
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On December 19 2014 02:17 Holyflare wrote: even now i reckon gb is writhing in his seat like omg omg omg holy said i was his scum read omg he's so mafia now omg and i bet he's writing out some post about it too being all happy that he's caught me in some other lie as if i'd forgotten what i've typed all game Accurate description. I'm impressed that it took you this long for you to read me as this, because: 1) I went against one of the most strong and persuasive players in the game where no one was caring about you 2) I've generated newer and original content. If it's right or wrong, it really doesn't matter because this is a town trait. 3) I've questioned ritoky in a way that he was caught in a lie. Although I didn't followed up properly, I would never question a scum partner like that without planning it perfectly in the qt 4) A guy just said I was uneasy with lynching people who was mafia (ritoky) and preferred to lynch KSC (Btw, someone pushing this thing is probably mafia lol). You've seen me doing this a ton in games I was town, like the one I defended bats. About those scumreads in red you've quoted, it is associative with you being mafia. Lian was firmly wanting you to get lynched and when I said we should lynch outside the main wagons he turned his attention to oats. Vivax also wanted to lynch oats, if I remember correctly. If the two main wagons was, again, two mafias, people really pushing another lynch looks terrible. I've already rescinded that read on sicklucker I still have no idea why would you keep in secret who you gave your present to. | ||
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On December 19 2014 07:33 Holyflare wrote: because that person is very likely town because they sent it to ff so they'd just be a target for nk's and i can keep the name secret to protect them while knowing that they are town and if they get pushed i'll know they are getting pushed as a possible mislynch - most likely. It's like a green check basically. Although I can understand this reasoning, it sounds like bs to me, sorry. If someone starts pushing the guy, it's a null indicative at most, because a townie could always find scummy things in his filter and get the innocent mislynched. The push for a mislynch isn't most likely - it is equally likely, IMO. It doesn't matter if the guy who doesn't have the present anymore to be night killed. I don't understand this. It is more I portent for us to know who to push and if you say it can confirm the guys innocence, well, you should just say it so we can narrow our lynch targets. You see, I don't understand. I genuinely believe roles are shit unless for claiming purposes. What did you get from Santa? A check on FF who could be GF. What did you get from the vigi? A shot on a townie. How many saves nigella got or how many roleblocks? Probably none since I'm sure obi was roleblocked. Now, how many scums did we lynch with THE HOLY POWER OF VOTING? Answer: 2. Voting and narrowing our targets > power roles | ||
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On December 19 2014 07:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't think HF is mafia anymore GB. What changed? | ||
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Because I haven't read it but it seems there are people buying it. | ||
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His lock on Tubesock seems extremely forced, considering how he isn't trying to get him lynched anymore. Like, I have a lock on on holyflare and I'm trying to get things out of him because either color he flips, will be extremely informative. If he wasn't a bandwagon, I would be trying to get more facts to convince people he is mafia. I don't see Templar doing this. I would be reading you as town after the case on Templar, HF. That is, if you weren't holyflare. Your scum play is unpredictable and I know you are capable of bussing your whole team to gain town cred. | ||
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In this game. You had a similar lock on on Tubesock but your interest fell greatly. This is not a meta read, it's an objective read in this game. It just seems that you're not interested in winning. I had a townread on a game everyone was scumreading you. I'm not having the same townread on you here. It's very indicative. | ||
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On December 19 2014 09:33 Holyflare wrote: Like the case is so super solid that even if I was mafia I'm handing you a mafia on a plate so you should be jumping on that shit anyway?? He even returned to say the meta was meh and never said anything about any other part of it. If he does claim a role you'll know he's mafia too because he already claimed joyful child. How perfect is that? Free mafia lynch! Wasn't it sicklucker? | ||
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Which vt is you? | ||
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On December 19 2014 09:43 rsoultin wrote: LS, I appreciate the vote of confidence, but assuming that you're town, the only one (barring being a caroler or something) that you can know is 100% town is you. So please, never follow me blindly. That's why I make cases. I can be wrong. If you agree with it, that's fine. More the merrier. I also will not necessarily stay on GB forever if it means sacrificing a player who I think is town. I'm not quite that stubborn, and I don't think that Templar is the worst lynch we could make. I still need to fact check HFs case, though, and see what else I can find...if I agree with it or not. And yes, GB. You probably should read my case against you. -shrugs- That's just common sense. Wait, what? Why? | ||
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On December 19 2014 09:52 rsoultin wrote: I haven't townread Templar yet -shrugs- I already gave two reasons he makes me itchy, but I haven't done the research or checked HFs case closely enough to decide if I think it's enough to be scum or just null. Obviously lynching someone I think is town would be the worst lynch. Why do you ask questions with obvious answers? Also, has anyone notice that Tube hasn't posted at all in 2 days? I don't know if it was being rattled that his conspiracy theory wasn't completely right or what, but...he posted once after the flip and hasn't since. Sorry, misread it. Damn dyslexia. Yes, everybody noticed. But you were the first one to bring it up. Not his arch enemy, the Templar. Which is bad for him. | ||
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1) Saying a lack on push on a ridiculous present claim =\= having a read on the claim 2) Reevaluating reads is okay so, lol. Check timestamps. 3) I GAVE THE PRESENT TO RITOKY. HE HAD A PRESENT. There is a present with mafia. On other topic: I thought sicklucker said he gave the present to damdred before damdred flipped?? | ||
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On December 19 2014 23:44 rsoultin wrote: Hrm. I thought SL had said it before the flip, too? I know that he strongly intimated it. Cause I for sure got that impression when he first mentioned giving it to someone. Probably should filter-dive...meeeeeehh. Finding one specific post in that is gonna be a chore. I cba to filter dive him but I really thought it was before the flip, which implies mafia shot someone they were certain they had a present. I can't think another reason for mafia to not shoot holyflare before damdred night1. | ||
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On December 19 2014 23:55 rsoultin wrote: First time he mentioned sending it to Damdred was after the flip, yes. I mean, you could figure it out, actually, given he was only townreading you and Damdred strongly and thought you had a role, then goes and says he gave it to someone he knows (lol) is town, but has no role...but it does make SL look pretty bad lol if you think Damdred was NKd and not killed by exploding present. I have no idea why the mass murderer would hold his shot day1. I simply have no idea. Which implies damdred was shot because kush was obviously killed by Marley and LoneMeow by obi. If there was a save night1 I will be impressed. | ||
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On December 20 2014 00:03 rsoultin wrote: I haven't been sold on the kill present theory for Damdred for a bit. It does imply that SL is scum, though, which people don't seem to like. That or that he was just highly transparent (which I can see, cause I've posted how his posts read Day 1 before to demonstrate that it wasn't really rocket science, figuring out who SL gave the present to). People aren't aware of the presents content. I have no idea what's on ritoky's present. So, sicklucker giving the death present to damdred doesn't implies he is mafia. What is weird, though, is that he says the death present is probably with mafia and after he says people doesn't know what is the present's content. The possibilities are 1) Damdred opened the death present. Implies SL is town because I can't see mafia giving a present to a townie if not to WIFOM hard 2) Mafia understood he gave the present to damdred and shot him. 3) Mafia sicklucker gave a present to damdred and, by knowing he was the holder, shot him. His would eliminate a present from the game and it would also give town cred to sicklucker based on possibility (1). | ||
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On December 20 2014 00:17 rsoultin wrote: I didn't make myself clear. Not believing that Damdred received a kill present is what implies SL is scum xP So we just said the same thing. But yeah, he's very squirrely on all these presents. I'm scum leaning on him, but I don't think today is a good day to push him, because hey uphill climb lol. He's done a good job of convincing people to generally ignore his nuttiness (myself included) so that when he is scum we don't look at him as closely as maybe we should. Unfortunately, he looks as town to me. This is why this game is so fucking hard. | ||
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On December 20 2014 00:28 rsoultin wrote: -shrugs- Like I said, uphill climb xP So why are you so interested in people mass-claiming? Do you really think it'll narrow things down for town that much? Seems to me we're more likely to get counter-claims (real or false) or a ton of VT claims and still be playing the same old who is lying bit, while scum can shoot into the last few roles that may or may not be able to roleblock them. If you're arguing it's obvious who the scum would be...I refer you to your last post ^ War roles are mason, nigella and veteran If veteran claims and gets shot, lol @ mafia If mason claims... nothing happens, it just confirms a townie. If nigella claims we lose a protection/roleblock. I'd rather know who is town and narrow targets than having the power roles. Like, with these claims, I know who I can work with and it's less 3 people I should be worried about. A lot of vt claims is okay. The thing is that mafia is probably not counter claiming any of these three power roles so we are okay. And IF mafia counterclaims and gets the power role lynched, free mafia lynch next day. | ||
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On December 20 2014 00:31 Holyflare wrote: Don't you think sl's present claim made him extremely towny? The present/joyful claim. Pretty sure he's just being kept alive to troll me. The joyful child claim I think is shitty. A lot of people were joyful child. Maybe he was town and thought his role was unique? I remember him talking about joyful children having presents. The present giving, however, sounded townie. The thing is: although it SOUNDED townie, it's actually null because either mafia or town could have the present. | ||
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On December 20 2014 01:07 rsoultin wrote: Even assuming that you can't see what I'm driving at and couldn't see it before, either, GB... Why did you try to take credit for ritoky? There was a large time gap between when ritoky claimed to have received a notification, to which you said "okay", and bats catching him in the lie. Then you didn't vote on him anyway. You not jumping on board is whatevs...but trying to claim credit reads super scummy to me. I wasn't trying to take credit, dude. Bats was the one who caught ritoky. The thing is: my line of questioning followed the logic bats went through. Fake claiming being notified would make him slip. What I wanted to show you is that I'd NEVER question ritoky the way I asked him without having a clear plan on the scum qt. it's obviously I've caught ritoky off guard, so he slipped. He could just say that he tried to kill someone but his shot failed, without saying he was notified. You get this? Let me put it in a simpler way: what is mafia motivation to inquire his partner like that? | ||
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Power of vote > power roles. (Thanks IAMP, btw) | ||
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Here are hosts who notifies people when they were roleblocked, independently if they have a power role or not. Roleblocker is unlikely to hold his skill; therefore, someone could have been roleblocked. I ask ritoky BEFORE ask people to claim being roleblocked so he doesn't get my plan Nobody claims being roleblocked = ritoky lied. I don't understand how do you associate receiving a notification of being roleblocked = having a power role. Oats, come on, you know it's a horrible mafia play to counterclaim a power role because it's a 1 for 1 trade. You know this. God... | ||
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You can't understand what I say. I'm... Amazed. I can't be bothered to explain it once more. Voting on whoever you want to. I'll flip town. I'm and elf. Probably the only fucking elf in the game | ||
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If we lynch holyflare and he flips mafia, I'm gonna masturbate to a photo of me. I can't see me working this game out without lynching holyflare | ||
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On December 20 2014 05:26 Fecalfeast wrote: If you don't think damdred died to a present, please outline the night kills in a way that makes sense. I did And you said PRAISE GB | ||
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On December 20 2014 05:42 Fecalfeast wrote: So that was a question for tubesack. Thanks gb and rsoultin... I wasn't asking because I can't figure it out. I didn't give you the answer though. So, don't worry. Rsoultin, I don't fucking care who you want to lynch no more. Do whatever you like | ||
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HF needs to die He NEEDS to die I can't stress this enough. | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:29 The_Templar wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Tubesock Why aren't you scumreading HF again? | ||
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It's not. | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:32 sicklucker wrote: ohhhh my goddd you guys have lost your minds. How is tube more scummy then oats. Hf Oats templar in that order for me. LETS DO OATS I hope you flip town. I'll be flattered that you parroted me all the game because you like my reads. | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:33 Xatalos wrote: There's the scumslip and his activity drop once he got away from pressure, for example. You're totes scum, Xat. Totes scum. | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:35 Fecalfeast wrote: I'll shenannie anyone right now I'm drunk with power! Shenannie holyflare Imagine how grumpy he'll get if he is town and how happy we will be if he is mafia | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:40 rsoultin wrote: Eh, I'm on the fence about Oats. But since I'm scumreading GB and leaning scum on SL, anyone they want so desperately I'm reluctant to move to, to be frank. Stop being stupid and see how fast the tube lynch got traction And you wonder if he is a good lynch. Lol... | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:47 Xatalos wrote: Last minute shenanigans are usually town-based since the scumteam have a hard time organizing anything so quickly. It's, however, slower to take traction because (1) scum will be against it if scum is the target of the shenannies and (2) town will doubt himself a little before joining the wagon because they don't have perfect information. Proof: the lynch I led on mafia Robik on guilty mini mafia Proof: the mislynch on me on Russia today | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:49 rsoultin wrote: I may be having buyers' remorse here in about 12 minutes, I'll admit, however this is the most pushback I've gotten from my scumreads since the Templar wagon took place. Plus almost all of my townreads are involved in it. ^^ So...if I'm wrong, Tube, sorry, bud. But I think this was the way to go. This is the most ridiculous stance you had in this game as you were scumreading me strongly but decided to get tube lynched out of nothing. | ||
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AAARGH FUCKING VOTE HOLYFLARE!!! | ||
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YOU DON'T GET IT HOLYFLARE IS STILL ALIVE AND IT'S DAY 4 SCUM DECIDED TO KILL KOSHI INSTEAD OF HF SAMDRED INSTEAD OF HF HOW THE FUCK YOU DON'T SEE IT? HF IS A STRONG PLAYER AND IF MAFIA FEARED HIM HE WOULD BE SHOT SHOT THEY KILLED KOSHI, FUCKING KOSHI INSTEAD OF HOLYFLARE | ||
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ARGH KOSHI IS A GOOD PLAYER, HE IS BUT HF AND KITA SHOULD BE MAIN TARGETS INSTEAD OF THEM WHARRGARBL | ||
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Btw koshi, you're a great player, you're just not as good as HF. Didn't mean to downplay you. | ||
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So you either lynch HF or Templar. The Tubesock mislynch is stupid and town should be ashamed of that. | ||
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On December 20 2014 08:38 rsoultin wrote: Yo, we should be both on the same team, bro. Make sense and I'll sheep you. Do you want him to make sense just as you did in this lynch? If so, PLEASE, VOTE KIM KARDASHIAN | ||
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Awesome. I bet oats is scum btw. I'd rather sheep kita at this point because lol. | ||
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Please shoot me. | ||
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I'm more inclined to lynch oats tomorrow | ||
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On December 10 2014 00:56 Koshi wrote: As a present owner. You should know that you don't know what present you hold. So why did you think that Gb his present is bad? I've just found this. | ||
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On December 20 2014 09:38 liancourt wrote: Ras might be really really bad town or really really good maf. i bet on the former cos xat oats temp are really getting up there lynch hf. If being a wagon for 3 days straight isnt enough evidence and how discussion is stuck on him and going nowhere is any evidence omg i m so flustered frustrated at town my grammar is going haywire. Just sheep me gb ff and sl they are all town. Tubes died while voting hf. fuck i m so pissed at dumb town lynch hf. For umteenth time i have given reasons in my filter why arent u reading them why the fuck shud i write a massive bloody essay case disertation paper doctrate degree on why someone is scum when i have clearly posted reason in my lil posts. What is wrong with town i have never been this angry with town ever i mean why let a wagon live for 3 days r u blind???? baka lynch hf Where are you from? | ||
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Where are you from, lian? I just went through koshi's filter and his reads were mostly wrong. I still have no idea why would scum kill koshi instead of HF. Bah, at this point I don't even care anymore. | ||
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That's not what makes him scum. The present thing does. What time is it in there, lian? | ||
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On December 20 2014 10:13 liancourt wrote: Gb what is wrong with u???? Are u reading his posts? Stop reading hfs posts. And think for yourself. Why its korean standard time. Because i m in korea. Why should I not read his posts? I'm asking this because you've made no attempt to push the lynch to holyflare but you started posting just after deadline | ||
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On December 20 2014 10:20 liancourt wrote: Impov hf is faking it. Just kill me scum i rly just care now gb is being brainwashed by hf or gb is scum. I just want to clap hf for never being lynched and give slaps to all town mainly vivax ls hts ras. Scum lust Hf Temp Xat Maybe oats town lust me sl ff gb Slam ls hts Vivax Maybe ras I'm not being brainwashed, lian. I'm firmly on HF. But why wasting your breath on something it is confirmed to you? We still have more mafia to catch. Let me ask you a question: would HF bus his ENTIRE scum team? | ||
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On December 20 2014 10:24 Holyflare wrote: Whether you say I'm lying or not i don't care. I'm genuinely angry at the level of play of like 40% of the people alive and will tell you that post game too You can't be mad because your townplay has been lacking a lot in this game, if you're town, obviously. | ||
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When questioned day3, you said you're actually vt and that you claimed a role because you were wanting to be shot by mafia because you would be the center of discussion and it was detrimental to town. Now you voted on someone else for survivability. Do you get how bad this is? | ||
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On December 20 2014 10:30 Holyflare wrote: No it hasn't at all because the people that are using logic and reading what i write and what happened and is happening in this game are town reading me and the people that are using wifom, extrapolating wifom to fit their reads and pushing wifom are scum reading me. Hence 40% of players are not playing well. Not to mention almost the entirety of the reason people are scum reading me is because of mafia action wifom and not my actions. Yeah, right That's why we are winning the game No, wait... | ||
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On December 20 2014 10:32 Holyflare wrote: I'm not being mislynched. I refuse. I also thought there was only 1 mislynch left and I'm not entirely sure about your alignment still and I wanted to be around to make sure things were going smoothly because if i got lynched you would auto die without any discussion at all and that's a potential loss. Just because I've got a townie killed I'd be auto lynched? Really, I don't buy your excuses in this game. Bummer. | ||
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On December 20 2014 10:33 rsoultin wrote: Not that it really matters, considering HFs vote didn't and wouldn't have counted/made any difference. HAHAHAHA SO YOU'RE SAYING HIS INTENTION DOESN'T MATTER, WHAT MATTERS IS IF HIS VOTE WAS VALID OR NOT? ZEUS PLEASE THROW A THUNDER IN MY FACE SO I CAN GO TO VALHALLA (Mythology unrelated) | ||
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On December 20 2014 10:43 liancourt wrote: No. I want u dead first. U keep saying discuss other ppl while prolonging ur life. u ve done it for 2 days rit and tube died instead. I am not having it at all. I will discuss xat temp and oats when ur dead Like, oats has a tremendous chance of flipping mafia. Tremendous. Xata has a good chance I hate slam being afk but I remember reading something that looked town slam to me Templar has a chance of flipping mafia Vivax I don't know anymore Lian has a little chance of flipping mafia Rsoultin looks town but very very very awful (sorry, I'll stop yelling at you) SL... I don't know what to make of SL. He looked towny but he is always parroting me... I'm not reading LS as mafia because he claimed and because he is new. If it wasn't for that, is he reading him as mafia Half the sky has a good chance of flipping mafia. Koshi scumread her. FF is town probably Am I forgetting someone? | ||
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On December 20 2014 11:07 liancourt wrote: Gb stop sheeping my reads You just said scum is probably going to kill HTS... I have no idea why you say this by the way. Why do you say this? | ||
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On December 14 2014 05:47 liancourt wrote: This is such a bad reason. If u vote kel there will be enough votes Wow. Look at the nested quote. | ||
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Took me too long to realise, sorry. I'm with you, Vivax. I think your analysis is informative. HTS, Xat and Templar makes a lot of sense. But oats is playing this game so indifferently that it makes me shiver. Maybe he is a possible 4 mafia? | ||
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On December 20 2014 22:45 Oatsmaster wrote: you guys said so much useless shit man. Sorry, you have been extremely useful in this game, I'd love to play of your way | ||
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On December 21 2014 03:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah what a difference right. man. I kinda agree with your list vivax. yeah ok seems alright. I thought we talked nonsense | ||
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Lol It's already night4, he had all the chances he needed | ||
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NONONONO WHY!!!!! | ||
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On December 21 2014 08:31 rsoultin wrote: Hm. It is more likely that Nigella saved/RBd Xatalos than we had two interactions last night... There is no possible world where nigella saves Xatalos Are you out of your mind? | ||
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FF is been under suspicious of being the godfather Xatalos was under suspicious of but mafia Nigella tried to roleblock a possible mafia or tried to save a more probable town (you, for instance) | ||
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Alright, listen. We've discuss a lot about HF and we couldn't get him lynched easily. We almost said everything that has to be said about him. I don't think we should waste more breath about him TODAY. We have to catch the other scum. By the way, is there someone firmly believing that HF is town? This is important so please answer me. Now, I believe we should follow Vivax reads because (1) I agreed with him and (2) we now know he is confirmed town. Considering this, I believe we should lynch Xatalos Why Xatalos instead of oats? Because he wasn't firmly mafia read by Vivax, because he was town read by obi, and because HF, one possible scum, also list him as mafia. I'm aware HF also lists Xatalos, but there are these two that didn't cite/townreads oats. I don't want to risk the game on him yet. I don't believe nigella would protect FF because he could be godfather and I don't believe nigella would block Xatalos because he wasn't actually the top scumread. But I really think nigella would try to roleblock a possible mafia because top town was Vivax at that moment. I also want you to remember that ff is only SOFT CONFIRMED, because Santa didn't explicitly said he had a green check. Nigella, don't out anymore. You'll be important night5, specially if we lynch scum and if you roleblock one mafia. Like, consider this: if there is only 3 scum left and we lynch one now, you'll try to roleblock a possible mafia and if only one kp goes through the night, you have a confirmed mafia. So, lynch Xatalos. | ||
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On December 21 2014 09:53 rsoultin wrote: What about Templar? You mentioned Oats and Xata but not Templar. Templar is also an option. I could lynch both. I have a preference on Xatalos because I have more experience with him and he is MUCH more active and try harder than this. | ||
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On December 21 2014 19:19 Alakaslam wrote: Xata null oats scummy GB mood swing, usually townie. Concise. I can't understand how you find Xata null. Reasons would be awesome | ||
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Xat, inactivity is not really the problem. The problem is that I can't see you dropping your thoughts clearly in the thread or actually trying to solve the game like I'm used to see you doing. I remember perfectly me getting all crazy in you for you saying "If he isn't town, he is scum", lol. This was after a long description of your thought process. I don't see any of these things in your filter. Actually, I see more rough, objective reads, without too many stream of thoughts, which, in my experience, isn't your usual play. @Rsoultin: Oats: probably scum due to inactivity. If town is degladiating themselves, scum will usually sit back and let town die. This image fits oats behaviour. This is how scum usually plays big games. More than this, oats tends to be more contributive, actually calling people scum and going for it. I usually see oats doing this as town: "you're stupid, you're wrong, because of this." In this game, he is just saying "you're stupid, you're wrong". He says everything me and Vivax speak of is convoluted, but then agrees with Vivax list. I have yet to understand he logic behind this. I've explained Xat on the first paragraph. Slam: I don't know man. I saw things that makes me believe slam is town. But I think slam would be more involved in the game when it's LYLO, like he was in Avogadro Mafia. The worst part now is that he is clearly reading the thread, as you ask him for reads and he answers, but doesn't provide reasoning. This is a sign that slam may be mafia. So I'm going from town to null on him. | ||
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There is the votecount on day2 where mafia did seen to want a lynch on FF. Rasputin, you asked for our reads but I see no follow up on them. What do you make of it? Also, have in mind that a meta case is never an awesome case. Because it's meta. I'll make it anyway, later, cause I'm going to the beach with a date | ||
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Anyway, the most weird thing was that Vivax wasn't protected and he was, I believe, the top town. | ||
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On December 22 2014 00:31 Xatalos wrote: Well, my playstyle fluctuates too. A heavy factor in this game is that I can't just spam the thread when I have a post limit. Again, I'm not talking about level of activity. I'm talking about the way you're writing your posts or the way you're approaching the game, which is different from the way I'm used to see you doing. | ||
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On December 22 2014 09:48 rsoultin wrote: On a slightly unrelated note...I'm beginning to get the feeling that HF, the ultimate townie of awesome, can't be bothered to give a shit unless he's being pushed and in danger of being lynched. For someone so determined to figure out the game... To early to state this. I was already going to push this later in the day, when it comes really clear that he doesn't give a shit to the game in LYLO, the exact same behaviour he says he has when he is scum. | ||
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On December 22 2014 11:09 LightningStrike wrote: I had scum read both tbh with you, To tell you the truth I thought we weren't going to get enough on templar in time so I went with my other scum read which was Tubesock that why my voted swap from Templar to Tubesock. Poor excuse, Templar was leading the votes if I remember correctly and if it wasn't for Tubesock ridiculous shenannies, he would probably be lynched. | ||
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This is a post he had on his second page of filter: + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2014 19:17 Xatalos wrote: Damdred -1 Pretty forgettable posts so far instead of awkward like last time.... scum(my)? raynpelikoneet -1 Robik made a funny point about the way how rayn would have stayed up as town (and he even said that he would stay for the deadline too??) haha - started really aggressive after that, nothing really special to say about that, just a bit of an uncomfortable feeling with the not posting at night despite apparently staying up around the deadline... and somehow his reads feel a bit too certain/forced? let's just say null with some concern for now Hapahauli 0 justanothertownie 0 Onegu 0 VayneAuthority 0 IAmRobik 1 Casually townreading people etc. just feels a bit towny, probably KelsierSC 1 "tryhardish" opening post that is actually fluff - and the theme continues.... :/ ugh so awkward, but also confrontational, so maybe just awkwardly tryhard? - really eager to lynch "useless" people ugh..? what is this... well continues to antagonize people so prolly town maybe? dunno... well seems so tryhard that I guess town maybe yamato77 1 said nothing noteworthy yet - well started making some jokey posts so town? turtlevine 2 obvious smurf... pretty funny/constructive opening post, townish feels I guess GlowingBear 4 a LOT less awkward than in the Arnie game IMO, so town? yeah seems pretty natural at posting overall, and constructive, so towntown WaveOfShadow 4 Reveals willingly which players he's confident in reading and responds to Kelsier in a pretty casual/townish(?) way - really casual posting style so town lean for now You see, he is someone who has reads on a lot of people and contributes with discussion by exteriorising them. More than that, he takes original stances on people. Here is another post by Xatalos on day 1: + Show Spoiler + On August 23 2014 00:08 Xatalos wrote: KSC - yeah probably town, really feels like he believes his own ideas and pushes them strongly without care for how he's viewed as a result jat - no idea, how do you townread him so strongly? he had a humongous filter as scum earlier so not activity... and he immediately jumped to discredit me without calling me scum when you called me scum... I just can't feel the strong townread so help me here Robik - not as sure as last game but yeah leaning town for being pretty active and posting stuff you - still not sure, I think you're very capable of doing everything you've done so far as scum so hard to townread you WOS - my earlier townread on him was a bit faulty so I don't really anyhow heavily townread him anymore, why is he scum though? GB - I don't necessarily think he's town anymore, his weird connection read on me+WOS, curiousness about someone townreading him, and overall awkward posts lately don't look good... could be scum I guess You see, he is already giving reads on a lot of people. But more than this: he is contributing without being asked to contribute. Take a look at the nested quote. Rayn isn't directing a question towards Xatalos. Xatalos is posting this because he wanted to contribute, he wanted to discuss his reads. I'll go ahead into later days to show you that he keeps the "solving the game" stance throughout the whole thread: + Show Spoiler + On August 27 2014 01:15 Xatalos wrote: Still weird that he refused to vote for Robik when 1) he claimed to follow jat's lead and jat voted for Robik 2) he didn't have any real opinion of Robik (except "Robik being Robik") and didn't exactly townread me, but agreed with me a lot and didn't seem to at least suspect me. + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2014 02:17 Xatalos wrote: Actually I just had a thought. In the Arnie game Damdred constantly asked me these little questions to share my reads more / make me more readable. Damdred's play here reminds me a lot of that. So yeah, I don't want to lynch Damdred today. + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2014 02:50 Xatalos wrote: Here are my "condensed" reads >.> VayneAuthority -2 not really a fan of his posts so far, I think someone said that he's pretty serious as scum and trolly as town? serious so far... seems to focus only on survival + made a rather dubious roleclaim claimed JOAT early on D2 "to survive" Onegu -1 AFK and still catching up :/ - entered the game constructively and tried to figure out the game, probably town... Hapa made good points about him being reckless to push rayn as scum + showing suspicion towards a Mason claim haha - well hasn't done much lately so dropped points - rayn flipping town puts him into worse light especially since he just threw his vote on rayn and disappeared Damdred 1 Pretty forgettable posts so far instead of awkward like last time.... scum(my)? - actually his more recent posts mirror my thoughts so town? - rayn made a decent(ish) point about him perhaps being SK since he's a bit forgettable/passive??? and also looked for bluetells earlier... but still not a D1 lynch - worst D1 deadline vote, not good - actually his little questions to me remind a lot of the Arnie game so rather wait and see than lynch for now, feels like potentially town Hapahauli 2 entered with great posts on rayn & me, quite confident that he's town - then dropped rayn suddenly, weird, possible scum after all? dunno, doesn't feel like a good D1 lynch anyway - went on to lynch Mafia GF which makes him a lot more towny - possible SK still considering rayn NK? KelsierSC 3 "tryhardish" opening post that is actually fluff - and the theme continues.... :/ ugh so awkward, but also confrontational, so maybe just awkwardly tryhard? - really eager to lynch "useless" people ugh..? what is this... well continues to antagonize people so prolly town maybe? dunno... well seems so tryhard that I guess town maybe... yeah I guess so - well he's been defending rayn and pushing me with very forced reasons so not confident about him being town anymore (though he'd be very stupid if he's scum with rayn) - well more likely town still, very fearless if scum WaveOfShadow 3 Reveals willingly which players he's confident in reading and responds to Kelsier in a pretty casual/townish(?) way - really casual posting style so town lean for now - really active/chatty in Championship as scum though so could be scum too - but he's still pretty happily participating in the discussion and felt genuinely frustrated at some point so town after all? - away for a lot of crucial discussion which drops his points by one - well he's come back to the thread and his posts seem pretty good lately - his thoughts resonated with my thoughts around deadline quite a bit which is good yamato77 3 said nothing noteworthy yet - well started making some jokey posts so town? very lurky though which is scummy for him - re-entered the thread with vengeance and has been very townish, I'd say even obvtown level pretty much - Hapa made some good points about him lacking confidence and going on lurking periods though - still (actively?) lurking and posting here and there... gave up exactly like in the PYP game ALERT ALERT - went on to vote & kill Robik though and started actually doing stuff so probably town after all Look at how he has opinion on everybody and shares it with everyone. Look at how he tried to see things from people's perspective. Look at how he has a thought and posts it in the thread to share his opinion with everybody. This is town Xatalos. ************** Mafia Xatalos is determined by suing the necessary, asking questions, and not really having original thoughts and stances. Moreover, he doesn't have an overall view of the game. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2013 06:49 Xatalos wrote: Kushm4sta, by the way, I hope you're planning to play this game seriously. I've witnessed several games that you've partly ruined by lurking or worse. If you're scum, you can get policy lynched. That's fine. High level of certainty/aggressiveness, uncommon on his townplay described above. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2013 07:43 Xatalos wrote: Well, that game is special in the sense that it started during night and nights were PM-only within given Houses. I definitely put pressure on gumshoe and Grackaroni during the night, I'd say. And I was relatively aggressive during the first day, as well. Probably not as aggressive as here, I agree. Do you mean that passive = townish and aggressive/proactive = scummy? Or what? I can't really see myself playing like this as scum. It'd have to be pretty carefully crafted at least. Too defensive when inquired, lacking deep reads on people. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2013 08:09 Xatalos wrote: These are definitely some good points. It's surely premature to declare Corazon as today's lynch, but it would be a good pick in the current situation. I dislike Artanis's dismissal of Corazon's play as well, but I doubt Artanis and Corazon would be scum together. It would seem risky to make a connection like that. That's WIFOM, though. Commenting others ideas without actually bringing his own to the table. Says something wishy washy without risking himself with his reads ********* Xatalos is playing much more like his scum game than his town game here. This is specific and out of context, but illustrates what I'm saying: + Show Spoiler + On December 18 2014 23:31 Xatalos wrote: Yeah I agree. For both of those the scum motivation is strong and the town motivation is non-existent. I like Templar as scum too, though. But at least he hasn't actively pushed scum agenda. ##Vote GlowingBear This is Xat agreeing with an idea which is not his own, going against a townie, which he had no deep read or strong push. He also doesn't have any list post like I've brought from Guilty Mini Mafia. (Town game: Guilty Mini Mafia Scum game: Titanic II)( | ||
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In here it's 13, and it's low considering the posting restriction could be something around 25 pages (5 days x 5 pages of filter each day) Posting restrictions isn't an excuse. | ||
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On December 22 2014 11:22 rsoultin wrote: I wanted to see LS' response, too. However, GB, faulty reasoning or not (and I think it had more to do with me calling for the shenannies than anything) if there's one ghost in the game, there's probably more than one. LS is less likely to be scum than even FF. WIFOM. I could say that I'd there are 2 ghosts in the game, there is more likely to be three, and the third hasn't claimed yet. | ||
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On December 22 2014 11:23 Alakaslam wrote: ##Vote: TheTemplar Stay the course you fools. Wrong on 27nb, wrong on Tubesock. I would think you would listen to me. Xata Is A Question mark It's impossible to listen to you when you're this detached from the game. | ||
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On December 22 2014 11:30 Alakaslam wrote: Lol Well, detached or not I have been right twice Well, I've being right on my townreads, also. I also didn't see anything particular scummy on NB but was to busy to follow the game at the time And I'm saying Xatalos is mafia Ta-daaaa! | ||
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I can't understand how you're reevaluating your read on me, doubting holyflare's towniness because he isn't active, thinking my meta case is decent, but still believing Templar is the best lynch. | ||
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On December 22 2014 11:48 Alakaslam wrote: Templar best lynch! Look We need to stay the course Xata maybe tomorrow? Too much question mark Templar was active early Then started to lurk late Then returned only when pressured Templar is not town You can say the same about HF. Why are you not going against him again? | ||
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On December 22 2014 22:15 Half the Sky wrote: SL, I did not actually town read Tube. He was all over the place, but I was going to give him more time before concluding anything on him. Also at that time, I felt more strongly about others and focused on them/reviewed cases. At EoD, we did not have enough votes for GB, so we consolidated. But when we consolidated on Templar, Rasputin had second thoughts about Templar, given how easily the wagon piled up. At the time, it made sense given the 27NB wagon D1, and not wanting a repeat of that, second-guessed myself which is why I got my vote off Templar. Tube had not posted in awhile, and that's why the decision was made. This is horrible excuse. You're deflecting responsibility to rsoultin, and you're saying that the wagon on templar was built fast. If it was built that fast on Templar, what to say about the wagon on tube? Light speed? This is EXACTLY what I said about the wagon on Tubesock. Exactly. And you didn't back up. Why this double standards? | ||
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On December 22 2014 23:20 rsoultin wrote: ...I actually agree with GB and lian on HF. Why do I agree with GB and lian on HF? - He has an excuse for everything. Literally. Everything. Keep telling the teacher your dog ate your hw, dude. - His push against bunnies (and I know most of you sheeped it) was not a strong push. It was a Day 1 push and could have been by a town, true, and most of town agreed with him, but it all started with a list post? And cause she posted some fluff? There was no reason for that wagon to be as crazy strong as it was. - His other case was against...Templar. Look at his case. Reread it. Read my critique on it. He is clearly misrepresenting some of the facts, which at best says that case was haphazard, and at worst that he was doing it intentionally. And tell me what Templar has really done other than lurk. Tell me that isn't a policy lynch. - Most of his filter is him screaming at people for scumreading him and going on about how he is going to win this game. Rofl. Seriously? For those of you who have played with him before, is this your great town leader? Bunnies and Templar and rage!fitting? What has he contributed to the scum lynches we actually got? KSC he had nothing to do with, ritoky he barely pushed at all. I haven't played with him before. Maybe he is always hot air. But that doesn't explain those of you saying he's an amazing player... - Look at when his activity slacked off. It's been almost 48 hours since his last posts when he promised to start actually playing and bringing reads. Do you see any? And why has his activity slacked off? Oh, sure, it may be Xmas... OR IT MAY JUST BE BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST DAY THAT HE IS NOT BEING PUSHED FOR LYNCH SINCE DAY 2 I wanted a scumread on him before I pushed him. I now have it. Do what y'all want, but to me, this is better than an oh, Templar hasn't really been playing push. ##vote HF + Show Spoiler + GOD FINALLY SHED LIGHT INTO THE PIT OF DARKNESS | ||
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On December 23 2014 00:42 LightningStrike wrote: You know now I see the light in the darkness we must get rid of HF to determine who wins. ##Vote: HolyFlare YES! LIAN, WE WILL DO THIS! | ||
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On December 23 2014 00:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Im so fucking busy. But this hf read is badbadbabdbadbadbad cant explain why. But its bad. #temp2014 ##vote Temp Awesome. Thank you. Now I know I'm right on HF. | ||
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On December 23 2014 01:32 sicklucker wrote: Well thats 5 hf votes. Hes one of my less stronger reads now. Im only like 80% rather then like 95% sure on some others. Oh well im mad lets kill him. Don't worry, we can lynch him tomorrow bby | ||
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You know what's bizarre? How do you KNOW Xatalos sent the present to FF, and not anybody else? I like the part where you call me dumb because it's funny and accurate most of the games. | ||
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On December 23 2014 06:04 Fecalfeast wrote: dude HF there are tags in that post I didn't even know existed. How much time did you spend on that shit? 3 hours Showed effort People are now doubting the lynch Success. | ||
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On December 23 2014 06:11 Holyflare wrote: No your read is mafia Holyflare doesn't give a shit in or near lylo Why is it now mafia Holyflare gives a shit in or near lylo enough to write a very very long post? How many ways am I mafia now? Threeways. | ||
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On December 23 2014 06:18 Holyflare wrote: Pick one. I can't be mafia for producing content and also not producing content! You are under pressure and possibly getting lynched. You had to do that to try to survive. C'mon HF, you can call me dumb, but don't call me stupid like that. We both know what this means. | ||
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Page 17 of your filter. If you thought Xata was town, if you gave the present to him, why are you listing him as one of your scumread here? | ||
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On December 23 2014 06:40 Holyflare wrote: Because vivax wouldn't lynch templar with me unless i agreed to xata. Quite simple really. I even made a contract. Lol this is bullshit, HF | ||
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On December 23 2014 06:45 sicklucker wrote: This is true the three of us basically came together and solved the game. We never decided if hf was the last mafia but we all agreed to vote out those 3. Then me and vivax were killed in the night.... Sorry, what? You're assuming you've got shot AND protected? | ||
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On December 23 2014 06:46 Holyflare wrote: Again. None of this is related to my post. Try again. Tell me how this is unrelated. You scumread Xata (bullshit you listed him as one of your scumreads just because you wanted to convince Vivax), does not reveal his identity as the present bearer, then claims in that giant post that you've sent the present to him and that he sent to FF (which you assume relying on total WIFOM). I don't have to evaluate you alignment by just one post. I've posted A LOT of things that makes you mafia. Like, I've never had so many points in a player before. You know that mafia, when pressured, will come to the thread to look contributive. You had the whole fucking day to post that giant case, but you only do that hours from deadline, exactly when you are pressured. I assume that you know all of this but you're just trying to survive trying to discredit what I say with bullshit. | ||
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On December 23 2014 06:49 Holyflare wrote: It's no coincedence everyone wanted to lynch me, nobody really pushed anywhere else and the thread went super stagnant with votes on me. People were trying to counter lynch Templar. So no, this isn't true. | ||
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On December 23 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote: Yes great.... The guy who pretty much knows I'm town and oats' 1 post. SO MUCH COUNTER WAGON So oats is town too? Becuse he is not voting you? | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:01 LightningStrike wrote: I going with just go for HTS with HF and sicklucker despite it stinging more than it should but sometimes life gives you lemons. ##Unvote ##Vote Half the Sky HE JUST CLAIMED NIGELLA HE JUST CLAIMED NIGELLA TITTY SAVIOUR | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:02 sicklucker wrote: Hts why dont you say who you saved last night? Like the fact you forgot to add that means im not buying it yet reading again She roleblocked Xatalos | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:03 Half the Sky wrote: Night 1 - Vivax - unconfirmed Night 2 - Rasputin - confirmed save Night 3 - Rasputin Night 4 - Xatalos - confirmed RB How do you know it was confirmed? | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:05 Holyflare wrote: Like rsoul is one of my scum reads and you blocked him and kp didn't go through.....? You dumbo girl. Shot went night3 and he was JKd Ritoky was the mass murderer and there was only one kill if I remember correctly? I don't know. LYNCH HF RIGHT NOW | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:07 Holyflare wrote: Rsoul is arguably the strongest scum read tbh. Maybe you should actually read my post before denouncing me without thinking it through. Pff Xatalos was RB and the shot didn't went through, and you think Vivax would be killed WITH Xatalos? Lol I said before: if you claimed the guy you sent the present to, you would be giving your scum partner. There it is. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:15 sicklucker wrote: Also theirs no counter claim. Like if hts was lying there would be a cc Not if there is no nigella role. Anyway, HTS, answer me this again, more in depth: What did you think of Tubesock? | ||
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What I'm getting a little hesitant is that you want to lynch HF over confirmed scum. Why? | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:23 sicklucker wrote: No push oats plz. Because theres still some doubt and we cant screw this up. Lol SL Lol ROFL You wanted to lynch HF. I've being scumreading him the entire game. We have a confirmed mafia. And suddenly you want to LYNCH OATS? W T F | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:24 LightningStrike wrote: because HF is confirmed scum too. Tell me why. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:25 Holyflare wrote: I don't see how in a million years I'm confirmed scum. Seemingly as there's 2 mafia kp if xata was rb'd and he was sending kp maybe someone would assume I'd know that. Apparently i don't. I'm trying to follow your logic. Can you break it down a little bit more? | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:29 Fecalfeast wrote: The only other option is that mafia and I stacked KP on xata How did your shot didn't went through, then? | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:35 Holyflare wrote: So why can't ritoky just say he shot his partner....? He was claiming being rb'd which the medic would know was IMPOSSIBLE. Mafia would obviously know this too seeing as they killed and rb'd obi. Because 2kp? Lol | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:38 LightningStrike wrote: Wait he could of lied about that since his role allows himself to have a 2nd KP. Mind blown? LOLOLOLOL | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:44 LightningStrike wrote: Ya I know but I guess my head spinning is mostly from 1. Playing 2 games at once. 2. Present stuff from past days. 3. Tubesock being town when he looked scummier than me on Campus Mafia. Tip 1: Don't play 2 games at the same time Tip 2: NEVER play 2 games at the same time if you're newbie Tip 3: Get coached by me Ps: Tubesock was totes town | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:48 LightningStrike wrote: But I can't get coached by you once either of the games end We will manage that, eventually | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:50 sicklucker wrote: So I sapose were just killing hf? Oh well wanted to toy with him some. Its still kind of an unnecessary risk but hf feel apart here. + Show Spoiler + The correct play was to lynch Xatalos, so we would confirm HTS, FF and HF. But I want to hard to see if I'm right on holyflare that I can't wait another day. And now, it's EXTREMELY dangerous to change the lynch to Xatalos because there isn't much time left and scum can manage to get more votes on a townie | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:52 rsoultin wrote: Lol i go to work and this place explodes xP anything i should know in the last five mins? HTS is big tittied nigella, roleblocked Xatalos. HF is mafia We are finally lynching him. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote: So HF is a for funsies lynch over confirmed mafia xata..... WHYYYY Because FUN!!!! | ||
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FLIP FLIP FLIP FLIP FLIP | ||
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I'll be confirmed the dumbest player if he flips town. | ||
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I FUCKING SAID HE WAS THE ROLEBLOCKER I AM YOUR GOD WHAAAAAAAAAAARRGARBL | ||
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GOD HF HOW COULD YOU TEASE ME SO MUCH? HOW COULD YOU DARE CALL ME FUCKING DUMB WHARRGARBL VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI CHA NA NAAAA CHA NA NAAAA No, really. My logic was pure and simple. I've nailed HF day2 and I've revealed his role night2. Most underrated player, it is. | ||
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On December 23 2014 08:15 Xatalos wrote: GB: your meta case was actually the best case against me all game. Far better than Vivax's arguments. Thanks! I actually didn't believe in my meta case too much. If you have attacked it more firmly maybe I could have backtracked. The mafia tools thing, for example, was kinda difficult to evaluate. Anyway, thanks! | ||
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Koshi was killed by KSC | ||
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Wow. | ||
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On December 23 2014 08:27 sicklucker wrote: Man hf not being able to claim who he sent a present to was terrible. Thats when I was like ill quit this forum if im wrong. Uh huh. | ||
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I'm drunk so I don't know | ||
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On December 23 2014 12:08 LightningStrike wrote: Yes it's over. When you are sober I would like tips from you. Drunk GB > sober GB Stoned GB could be better. Try it now! | ||
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My hert are sad | ||
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On December 23 2014 16:48 Alakaslam wrote: Lololo GB U know the SVENGALI Often I am led astray Come my good Brazilian friend and tell me this: have you seen much anime? ¿HOLA QUE TAL? Only the basics. I prefer to read manga, but only a few. Animes... Death Note, Saint Seiya, Yu Yu Hakusho, Baccano... Mangas: Rurouni Kenshin, Blade of the Immortal (I love this), Naruto, Slam Dunk.... Can't remember what more | ||
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On December 23 2014 20:04 marvellosity wrote: I was all ready to nominate HF lynch day 2 for best lynch 2014, and like Palmar said we were cheerleading your crazy push so hard. Alas, so close ❤ So close yet so far... Thanks sensei! | ||
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On December 23 2014 10:29 Palmar wrote: There was a ton of very good townplay this game. marv and I were such fangirls when GB was trying to get HF lynched on day 2. That was the best thing ever. A lot of townies deserve credit for doing their job this game. Like at times the biggest problems town had was which mafia to lynch. Hahaha just now I've read this. I was too drunk to see this. Makes me happy Anyway, I've being reading post game comments and I agree on Trfel. His gameplay is impressive. Flawless. HTS night actions were superb. I don't know why I couldn't read Vivax as town quickly, though. Most of times, I struggle with looking townie, but way much more, I struggle to be heard. I don't know what I'm doing wrong in this matter, though. I still want to coach LS | ||
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I kept pushing and pushing you, pointed a lot of slips, even managed to realise you were the roleblocker. As persuasion involves two person, sometimes the problem isn't in the guy who is trying to persuade. If my read was that bad I wouldn't get you logic'd about the presents and realising you were the roleblocker | ||
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On December 24 2014 01:18 rsoultin wrote: lol, GB, your initial case was bad, probably because your initial read was based on a gut read and you were trying to articulate it in a way to present as evidence. Read good, case bad, execution worse. Between that and the screaming I turned off to everything else you said for too long. My bias, most definitely, and I need to learn that a bad case (Vivax had a couple) =/= scum or wrong. But you did kind of dig yourself a hole there, at least with me. SL has that effect on me, too. All the present talk made me inclined to ignore the good point you guys brought up about the present and HF later. I'm a bullheaded dingbat, but thinking things out before you present them will help you guys, I'm pretty sure. I actually know that I talk too much garbage. The problem is that I can't keep myself from participating. I still think that what sold me on HF being scum was the part he says people voting outside the main wagon looked terrible, but didn't make anything with it. Also, saying I'm awfully wrong as town and reading me as scum for being awfully wrong is so inconsistent that I couldn't believe he was town. Anyway, HF played a VERY good scum, as always. If it was anybody else, I would immediately town read him. I didn't because it was holyflare. | ||
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On December 24 2014 04:37 Damdred wrote: I enjoyed playing with xata, and koshi again I would say the same, but I haven't read day one yet. Probably never will | ||
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