The reason I don't instant scumread and totally flip my read is because your argument is talking about his random as fuck cop claim and that whole debacle has no scum motive behind it
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KelsierSC
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The reason I don't instant scumread and totally flip my read is because your argument is talking about his random as fuck cop claim and that whole debacle has no scum motive behind it | ||
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It wasn't magic I gave clear reasons for my change. I read geript as scum so I looked at people who late switched to bats. SL seemed scummy. Then geript flips town. So why does mafia late hammer a town when the vote is two towns. I listen to jat and robin and thy make good points why sl Is town. Hence my read changes. See, reasons not magic | ||
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On January 15 2015 08:21 KelsierSC wrote: I think sl I town. The reason I don't instant scumread and totally flip my read is because your argument is talking about his random as fuck cop claim and that whole debacle has no scum motive behind it No there are more arguments than just that. He said he was afraid you were the cop and he a miller. He calls me scum and town in two consecutive posts. Plus his D2 or D3 totally fake push on me everybody ignored. The scum conceding shit. | ||
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(Damdred is town in all the following games): .:Arnie has got a gun minimafia (town damdred/mafia gb): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464753-arnie-got-his-gun-mafia?user=Damdred + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2014 04:41 Damdred wrote: Is it outside the realms of realiy? I'm not sure that GB is mafia why not help me understand what you are seeing that makes you unhesitant about him. I'm seeing a lot of his town play right here and hes tunneled on Rob for whatever reason and won't move just doesn't feel like mafia right there This is an example of how usually damdred has an opinion about me. See that he says he is seeing a lot of my town play and that my tunnel on Robik in this game makes me town. He has an opinion on my meta, although it's wrong. This is just an example. You can check how in his first 3 pages of filter he spends a lot of time talking about me. .:Guilty Mini Mafia (town damdred/town gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?user=Damdred&page=8 + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2014 23:29 Damdred wrote: If this is the post you responded to me on ok, I don't disagree with a town read on GB for his earlier posting and responses in the thread, infact I agree with you that they felt a lot more natural than when we last saw GB as mafia however (I should of specified earlier) I only disagree with such a strong town read. There have been several instances where GB has been as awkward as the mafia game. re-entry post and where he asked me whether WoS was mafia or not and then promptly went to bed and has had no follow up on that post earlier its strange that it seemed like an important exchange in finding each others alignments but it seems to be quickly forgotten. Also instead of waiting for me to respond to his earlier question he immediately qued on an odd post I made and then retreated to bed shortly before I responded and still hasn't drawn conclusions from the posts. So yes I disagree with your stronger town read currently, I have a falling town lean after re-reading GBs filter. And I know you said earlier WoS activity level cannot be put in comparison to scummy level so glad you checked on that though. On August 23 2014 01:24 Damdred wrote: You really didn't push people yesterday GB, you allowed yourself to be questioned by Wave and you were being a bit dickish to Kel when he didn't answer your question straight away before understanding why he was doing that.When you actually started trying to get answers out of me instead of waiting for me to answer you then pointed to a bad looking post and peace'd out and didn't return to that upon your return at all. So yea theres not much of a push just the image of a push at that point in your filter. I really want you to read the thread and respond when you can GB, you are looking bad because of some of the things I mentioned and this anger because people are scum reading you when you are admittedly behind on the thread feel weird to me generally when i've played with townGB in the past whenever this happened you would take a step back and say let me go read and i'ill be back not get angry it's just weird at this point for you and does feel a bit forced. First post: Damdred is now aware of how I can sound like mafia and has a clear intuition regarding my gameplay. Second post: Damdred says that I look weird when I'm behind the thread, poiting out that I may be scum in this game. Again, check his filter and for the first pages, look how much posts I am his main topic of discussion. .:Fanfic Minimafia (town damdred/mafia gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466211-tl-mafia-lxviii-fanfic-crossover-edition?user=Damdred&page=6 + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2014 11:47 Damdred wrote: Why would town GB make a big deal about me not analyzing batsnacks at the drop of the hat, and never comment on a post I wrote. Is going to vote geript without any real reasons or thoughts it feels. Has started to discredit people and started to paint them scummy...im starting to think GB is scum On September 19 2014 11:20 Damdred wrote: GB you are acting weird I haven't led a read of yours all day and wasn't talking to you with that question but hf to get clarification on stuffs and if you look at my filter I want to lynch geript today Here, with more experience in my gameplay, he townreads me first but starts believing I'm scum for doing awkward things. I've added a bonus post where he clearly states why I'm looking scum. He is taking a very original and genuine stance, with a clear and precise thought process that I HAVE NEVER SEEN IN THIS THREAD YET. Same thing. Read his filter and see how much time he spends talking about me. .:Hearthstone Mafia (town damdred/town gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?user=Damdred&page=8 + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2014 00:45 Damdred wrote: because i hate lynching the biggest filter on d2 just like on d1 its just a bad idea generally. GB we've been over your meta a lot, you are more standoffish as scum and you are fluff make promises that you don't keep and when you do its just bad. Right now you have 2/3 scum traits right now. So if i had a gun i might shoot you but i don't. On November 02 2014 07:56 Damdred wrote: It's meta reasoning, GB is playing towards his scum meta of making promises never delivering tunneling on one person and being very passive. I was scared to lynch into a big filter and I really still am. First post: Says I'm scum for meta things. Admits we have been over my meta for a long long time. Second post: again, scum reads me for meta. Has a clear distinct meta thingy on me. AGAIN, main topic of his early filter is me. .: Russia Today Mini Mafia (town damdred/town gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471815-russia-today-mini-mafia?user=Damdred&page=2 + Show Spoiler + On November 28 2014 12:29 Damdred wrote: I'm pretty much caught up I won't go into my town reads but I have a good many of them this time around. GB- Overall GBs game has been lacking, entrance to the thread was strange for GB had a really try hard air to it which is strange for GB. Does not seem to have a firm direction in the way hes pushing things for the most part, but some thoughts seem to be their and the frustration which he answers a lot of the claims really appears to be real (thats a null trait). Leaning scum on GB but i'm not as confident lynching GB today as the response to Superbia actually looks ok and the small bit of paranoia GB has towards some of the other players look real. Sent- I would probably settle on a sent lynch today right now, I cannot remember anything from the 4x pages of game besides sent talking about turtling up for the day. Nothing memorable besides a pressure on my slot. Sno- Frustration seems real, overall lacking day is very different from the last game I played with him (Neat and tidy mafia) was able to give reads even though he was unfamiliar with meta and tried to really help town out. Doesnt really show that here. Overall i'm more in favor of a sent lynch as he is possibly the least memorable person in the thread On November 28 2014 13:12 Damdred wrote: You can check with this host if he has a problem, I personally don't care as long as the flip happens since then my play is public knowledge. I chose you sno and GB. GB has played oddly by his standards but has a few staples of his town play. Sno reacted strangely to pressure but seemed genuinely frustrated at the way he was being read and treated by some players. You on the other hand sent have taken almost no pressure becaue you have steered clear of almost everything and turned most of everything into a joke. Its not so much that you have been absent from the thread for the first 24 hours, its clear from your filter that you were here during some of the decent moments during the thread, but you didn't give your opinons on them and you seemed pretty wishy washy, you still haven't given reads besides pressuring elvis which you have now retreated on and we stiill have no idea what you found out from the pressure. Why aren't you still pressuring? You can't have gained much insight into my alignment and its pretty obvious that you disagreed with what I came up with and view it was easy lynches perhaps? So why not keep pressuring me instead of retreating? On November 29 2014 00:08 Damdred wrote: Screw you JAT no reason to be snarky at me at this point. @Marv, I'm not sure sno is acting strange but he's said some things I've remembered I think. Sent has kept his hands clean and even though he's been back in the thread he's avoided mu questions to him about his vote. There's a ton more games on me to read so he could get some hood evidence. though GB becomes a better lynch as his case does not materialize On November 29 2014 00:38 Damdred wrote: I'm not really sure I agree, sno is weird in thread and is totally different from last time I played, just not sure he is the lynch today idk. So is GB but there are a few posts and a missing case that drives gbs scumminess for me currently rather than meta. don't think I've played with sent I just think how sent is going about today is scummy. On November 29 2014 00:42 Damdred wrote: Spent most time on GB because I'm most familiar with GB probably. I'm more null for you jat but you would rather lynch me? On November 29 2014 00:59 Damdred wrote: GB is more likely town than scum after that case probably On November 29 2014 04:20 Damdred wrote: Struggles with getting across complex ideas and generally looks meh doing it at times which is generally towny of GB. Does what he promises instead of excuses and foes after a hard target in Marv instead of an easy target he could of picked. Seems to believe everything he says. First post: a very strong meta thing on me. Second post: gut feelings/meta thing on me. THIRD AND FOURTH POST (IMPORTANT): scumread me for meta (he is scum if his promised case doesn't materialize). FIFTH POST: admits he is familiar with my gameplay and, therefore, spends more time with me. SIXTH POST: META ME AS TOWN BECAUSE I'VE DELIVERED A CASE. SEVENTH POST: SHOWS WHAT HE BELIEVES IS A TOWNTELL FROM ME I'm gonna stop on Russia Minimafia because it alone is very damning. Also, remember that Russia was AFTER Hearthstone, a game where damdred said he stopped making meta reads on me because he was wrong on me, WHAT IS EXTREME BULLSHIT SINCE HE META'ED ME A LOT ON RUSSIA MINIMAFIA. As ever, he spends a lot of time having me as the main topic. TL;DR = read only Russia Minimafia part I also want you to look at how his thoughts are clear in these games and how contributive he is to the thread, a very different behaviour from him regarding this game. A couple of Damdred's town posts that I have never, ever seen in this game below: + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2014 00:36 Damdred wrote: If you want reasons behind my reads i'm more than happy to give my reasons, generally if you ask me for something I do it. GB asked for the reads laughed them off. Jay is a good townread I think currently, Overall his posts seem to have a clear direction in them with a clear thought pattern that town generally has. He starts the game off with Its a strange opening, but he does not stop at that he explains himself in what appears to be a concise manner. He also sees pressure votes piling up on him and welcomes them just asking why they are that way. He doesn't freak out about the votes, he wants to know why though. The pressure has moved off of him, but he continues to help the thread and posts like this seem to have a clear thought pattern behind them. He is really logical about how he approaches things and seems to be coming from a town mindset hes not looking to gang up on people in his filter (or thread). He is generally replying to everything asked of him and giving his thoughts about what is going on. I'll give a few examples of that now some of it is policy talk which is really safe but (crazy theory lololol) (really like this post) He also calls out hf for what he sees a shit flinging. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=25#483 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=27#538 He actually pressures a good many people in the thread and draws attention to himself through it, with the hf, the lord tolkien, puts some pressure on gb he is digging for thoughts into people so that he can get better reads and get the thread involved. So overall, he seems to be coming from a towny mindset. Hes looking for information gives his thoughts pretty freely and is doing things. He shouldn't be a lynch today and unless he takes a nose dive or some form of red check confirmed hes in my town pile pretty heavily. On August 20 2014 00:41 Damdred wrote: Are you serious right here? here are the posts where i pursued the issue with GB Why are you lying on me Xata? There was NOTHING casual about this I went after GB and didn't stop and GB eventually left the thread and came back today....why are you saying things like this On August 20 2014 01:30 Damdred wrote: I don't like Geript at this time and i'm pretty sure a lot of what hes doing is mafia oriented. Ok so his first real post in the thread is a list post, it looks big and good but a lot of it is no analysis really or spotty analysis at best. Also him pulling my post that he says is odd is strange its not my most scummy post by far up to this point oats got me on that one. Subsequently he has little follow up with a lot of this and some of these posts aren't as scummy in context as they appear. Actually i'm really confused now all of this ray town read Xata when all he said about xata was or his most recent posting before death so i'm not understanding why rays posting would have him rethinking his scum read when he generally trusts rays reads...its just strange and implies that ray townread xata more of this later I'm going to ignore the part about me here people can disect it if they want. I want to talk about GB first I really feel like the post he quotes isn't scummy at all for what was going on in the thread at the time and it could be taken out of context and shown as scummy. And he claims to trust rays reads....but ray had GB as town hrm. Point three about poof just doesn't make sense, and i'd rather him not be hunting for town. He should be hunting for scum. I hate this stupd stupid stupid timing read meta shit that he keeps bringing up its crappy and honestly stupid. Its not indicative of mafia or town at all and him claiming poof said he was trying to emulate his town game is just...honestly a lie or a misinterpretation of what poof actually said since he was talking about two seperate games he played with marv when explaining what this shit was to me. And then he continues to spout it to gain poof lynch support. Of course yoru reads on why you scum read people matter, or in this case have an illusion of scum reading people where you take stuff out of context to make them look scummy lie about what people actually say to make them look scummy and have people spouting off he gave good reads....he hasn't done jack shit but just has the appearance of it. | ||
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This took me longer than I thought it would. | ||
KelsierSC
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I dont think people ignoring a push on you makes sl scum | ||
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I think the meta i used in russian, carol, here is different from what i did in hearthstone by a LARGE degree. | ||
Vivax
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On January 15 2015 08:31 KelsierSC wrote: Viv I'm going to read to see where he calls you town then mafia and see what I get. I dont think people ignoring a push on you makes sl scum nonono, it was the way he pushed me. The "post your 7 scumreads" stuff. If you reread it there's more to it than what you are saying. | ||
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On January 15 2015 03:58 Vivax wrote: Need to make a writeup and rethink everything through before night ends to consider all possible scenarios, but first wanna see how some people perform this night. I think I made my point clear already from looking at everything that happened during EoD and night start. I mean, I didn't even mention this and marv just glosses over it, there's one minute between these posts and I don't see a townie being in trolly mood after a town lynch: Is this what you mean? | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:51 sicklucker wrote: theres 0 mafia motivation to make a huge drama about unlynching a town and then relynching him. Literally none. I see mafias putting their game on getting me mislynch and you will fail. you guys must be really desperate. On January 14 2015 14:08 sicklucker wrote: Goonight and fu this makes me town as fuck gb/vivax/dandred There you have the mafia motivation | ||
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On January 15 2015 08:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: GB prob town for effort alone. Thought that too but I think he's wrong on Dam | ||
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On January 15 2015 08:41 KelsierSC wrote: Ugh...i don't see that as him calling you town then mafia Then give us a better interpretation. | ||
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On January 15 2015 08:43 Vivax wrote: Thought that too but I think he's wrong on Dam If we eliminate Dam I'm left with Marv/Kelsier/LM/maybe SL. I guess I need to stop procrastinating from that SL stuff. Here we go. | ||
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