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On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote: Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason? Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? rsoultin do you disagree with the bolded question? I couldnt see if you have already answered it or not. I think DP is fairly spot on with trefel and i don't understand where you are coming from at all. Even if trefel is playing different it is possible to do that as town as well. So saying someone is playing different isn't a good enough reason to call them scum. Also GB can make that entrance post as a blue ,VT or scum so people looking into that post are going to go nowhere. | ||
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On January 17 2015 13:17 rsoultin wrote: I am not calling Trfel scum. I am questioning his intentions, because his first explanation did not jive. ^Next time someone asks me this I am going to flat-out quote this post of myself because I'm getting tired of answering it. I do not think there is actually any danger in the particular way he drew attention to himself if he is scum. ^Again, the next time someone asks me this I will quote this post. Sorry i probably could have worked that shit out myself. The point is you "questioning his intentions" doesn't feel like you are trying to work out his alignment. It feels like you are just asking questions so you have a presence in the thread. | ||
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TOWN Trfel : Trying to change his play seems towny to me. I think as scum he would be more wary of doing this because as we have seen people would notice the change and ping him out for it. LS : His meta case on me is bad in my opinion but it is the conclusion i thought he would come and to me shows he is trying to work out alignments and stuff not just trying to look town. Damdred : I liked his case on Cool and the fact that he made people discuss it. Even though we know it was wrong I found myself agreeing with it and Cool would have been my top scum if he was still alive. TOWN LEAN DP : Good posts early on trefel and LS. Also i feel its towny that he gives zero fucks about peoples opinions even though it probaly not the mindset to have. Assume he could do this as either alignment though but still wouldn't lynch today. Most of everyone is null or i can remember what they have done mostly because im fairly disconnected from the game because catching up isn't the same as being here when stuff happens. @GB Do you have any scumreads? Pushing lurkers is good and all because people need to post so we can find scum but I expect more. Also I had rsoultin as scum early but more recent posts seem to be more inquisitive and useful instead of asking dead end questions. | ||
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On January 18 2015 12:39 Damdred wrote: So you have no scum leans at least? None its shit i know. I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well. Who is your biggest scum right now? | ||
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On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back. LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before? GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. Trfel I find it weird that you take GB's oppening as a serious claim and not just "making waves" like he has taught you he likes to do. It is especially odd because your opening was to make waves as well but you didn't seem to understand that GB was probably doing the same thing. | ||
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On January 17 2015 18:32 jarjarbinks wrote: This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for. IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote: I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy | ||
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On January 18 2015 14:50 DarthPunk wrote: K I just read all of Lightnings filter twice and he is not really scum hunting at all. Most of his contributions are talking about how many games people have played in/ played with him in and he talks A LOT about meta. Can those people town reading Lightning please give me some in depth reasoning for those town reads. Cause I can't see it. I read him town for some weak meta case on my being more lurky as mafia. I expected someone to try and come at me because of it and thought it was towny. That's actually a fairly shit tier read though because it isn't actually alignment indicative. Would need to look more into it but i wouldn't call him town anymore. On January 18 2015 14:59 DarthPunk wrote: Can you point out Which stances are flimsy, why they are flimsy. Which questioning are you referring to? Which developed thoughts lead from those questions particularly? Really hate this analysis from damdred. I read it like 'He looked scummy and then did all this stuff and now he is town.' Damdred Have you read my filter yet? It is only two pages. I find it EXCEPTIONALLY hard to believe that you could be too lazy to read two pages of filter from one of the oldest vets in this game but can find the time and energy to call a Townie scum for a whole paragraph when they have half a page of filter. Further it doesn't make sense in a way that is productive or helps solve the game. What does scum damdred get out of not commenting on your filter if he has actuall read it? I don't get where you are going with this. | ||
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On January 18 2015 15:08 DarthPunk wrote: It doesn't make any sense. Does it make any sense to you? If something doesn't make sense it makes me uncomfortable in a way that makes me want to figure out why. Fair point On January 18 2015 15:10 DarthPunk wrote: Breshke if you HAD to lynch someone right now, who would it be and why? Jarjar. His townread on LS reeks of bull to me and is one of his only reads. Feels like scum struggling to make any reads. Explained a bit more in the spoiler. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 13:59 GlowingBear wrote: Just not telling people you're pressuring that you're pressuring them. This makes you contributive. AAAAAND I'm done catching up. Trfel is definetely town DP may be town Rasputin may be town LS may be scum Cool TL name may be scum jar jar may be scum Damdred you'll have to puke green this game. On January 17 2015 22:27 GlowingBear wrote: I understand the thing abou jar jar, but his opening is very bad and it fits more of a scum perspective because: (1) If there is an ongoing discussion, opening the game saying that he is excited without giving any thoughts is extremely contradictory and it doesn't fit town perspective. If he is excited, he saw something different. If he saw something different, he will probably comment it. This means his excitement is a forced emotion. (2) An opening post suggesting a no lynch is something comety disconnected. A no lynch discussion helps no one but mafia. A no lynch is only helpful to town in specific situations and that's definetely not day1. And, if the game is exciting, a no lynch isn't the correct conclusion? Anyway, he just ignores the ongoing discussion to throw a bad idea into the thread. Regarding LS, the question doesn't takes him anywhere. If he doesn't know what BS is, asking "what is this" is more appropriate. The way he phrases it ("I've never seen you using this term before") sounds like there is a meta behind it when actually there isn't. This sounds, on a vacuum, that he is trying to look like a townie pursuing information asking questions that are information-less. Now, it is proven that I have a good grasp on damdreds play. He won against me as scum last game. He will not be sparred. The thing is GB hasn't pushed these reads at all nor has he even tried to interact with his two scumreads (jarjar and LS). Instead he talks about how he will push lurkers and what not which yeah is good in a filler kind of way but not actually constructive. Especially when you look at his LS scumread who many people are actually townreading. He isn't trying to pressure or question LS to see if he is wrong or to try get more information to convince others with. He just seems happy to have scum reads. So GB is leaning scum for now | ||
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Rsoultin said he is competitive so wouldn't he still try if not try harder as scum because he needs to stay alive. | ||
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[b]##Vote:JJB/b] I still think this would be the lynch today even thoughpeople familiar with him seem to disagree | ||
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##Vote:JJB Currently id also be down for a GB lynch | ||
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On January 19 2015 05:26 GlowingBear wrote: Geript and, if not possible, is have to decide between you and the shining Is me and the shining based of being two or the lurkier people or do you find us scummy? | ||
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On January 19 2015 05:35 GlowingBear wrote: Sounds like newbie town to me. His opening was awful but his posting seems genuine. By the way, Breshke, I like the questions you're making and I'm ready to say that you shouldn't be lynched day1 One thing that bothers me is people saying that LS is unlynchable day1. Why's that? I originally tr him for a dumb reason and backpedald on it. I get dp's townread and i think geripts i remember likimg geripts aswell. For most others it seems people think he gets misslynched a lot and want to protect him. | ||
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GB could you explain your read on me im not sure if im misunderstanding but you seem to be flip flopping and i havnt seen reasons for it. (Also what is it with me and trying to lynch power roles day 1??????) Also GB do you still scumread geript? I think you are town and he led a wagon off you albeit onto another town but i still don't see the scum motivation behind this. | ||
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Also rsoultin is also fairly townie for how hard she was going against trfel especially at times when she seemed to be the only one doing it. For me that leaves two mafia within the following players given no cc's occur and trfel actually flips mafia 5) DarthPunk (filter) 6) The Shining (filter) 8) LoneMeow (filter) 10) geript (filter) So for auto i only need one more town read and that would probably be geript for a couple reasons the biggest one being that I don't really see the scum motivation to lead the wagon off of GB (a town) onto warwaffle (another town). So for next day phase i want to lynch one of the three remaining players and if i was to choose it would probably be LM. I realize i could easily be wrong on any of my town reads as some of it is fairly weak reasoning so that makes this type of analysis maybe not the best but for now it is the world im living in. | ||
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On January 20 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote: Hey, Breshke...did you arrive at your list of possible scum by poe? Just curious. Yep, fairly weak PoE as well since id actually had DP as a townread D1. | ||
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On January 20 2015 12:15 rsoultin wrote: I generally like to talk things out during the night phase. You were a good person to bounce ideas off of the last time I played with you. It crossed my mind that you could be blue...but since that doesn't seem to be the case...why lay low the whole night? I had originally planned to be around after EoD because thats when i knew people would be around but i got called into work so that couldn't happen and when i got back there didnt seem to be anyone around and i was tired as shit so i went to bed. But i've had too many irl excuses this game so i don't expect you to accept that. Also i think i know where you are going with this and i don't think it is a good direction. I'm not sure but are you trying to say scum is less likely to be active during the night because they are busy in their QT? If so i don't think that is the case. | ||
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On January 20 2015 12:11 geript wrote: 99.5% I absolutely could be wrong about him. I'm just not seeing it. There's too many things that don't really add up for him to be mafia. The NK. Like it looks really bad for him if both LM and Trfel are mafia; I get that. His GB case was meh and I was surprised that he didn't feel about GB how I felt about him at the time. I'd consider lynching him this game only if LM and Trfel are mafia. But I'm pretty sure I'd still want to lynch other people first. Like I see absolutely no reason for him to kill GB there. Like it's a really terrible kill. Plus, he's not in any way afraid to bus as mafia. He did it to Todd or one of the low hanging fruit in the VS game. He and Palmer both bussed the fuck out of Vivax or some other people in MS paint. Like if people are catching a bunch of flack, not pulling their weight, etc. he'll just bus them for cred. He's also more of an egotistical asshole when he's mafia. He's actually been quite tame this game. Like really tame. He also would be significantly blindly follow me on WW than just bus a shitty partner. He'd just lynch GB. He'd find it too fun. Would you say LM is pulling his weight if he is mafia? I feel like from what you have said if DP and LM were mafia together DP would be bussing him but from the last time DP mentioned LM he seemed to be more townreading him or "i wouldnt lynch". | ||
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On January 20 2015 12:28 rsoultin wrote: Nah, I don't think it's generally alignment indicative. Some players talk and some don't. I just remember having discussions with you on my first game here, that's all, so I know you're not one of the players who avoids posting in the night phase, at least not exclusively. Yeah GB taught me it is good to go hard during the night. The problem being i like to do votecount analysis and the D1 votecount is fairly useless because everyone who was around was switching to WW. Even the votecounts before that don't seem to be that useful because it is very likely it was all town wagons D1. | ||
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On January 20 2015 12:33 rsoultin wrote: Not a lot. Just that his EoD votes followed thread sentiment for weak reasons. He did say he'd help me find scum, that he'd look through GB's and Damdred's filter, but he didn't. :/ <- I don't consider that alignment indicative lol it just made me :/ His reads were not very substantial, either, but I've only seen him play once before so I don't know if that means anything. He seemed to jump on the JJR wagon with a weak reason for why he was going back on his earlier read. I want to say that when he jumped on thread sentiment was that GB was going to be lynched so this could have been a safe vote for him. Also in a town v town i think it would be best for scum to keep the votes as close as possible as to always keep the person who doesn't get lynched a question mark but im not sure if that actually makes sense. On January 19 2015 03:12 LoneMeow wrote: If you think GlowingBear has better chance of flipping scum than Trfel then why would you not move your vote? On January 19 2015 03:27 LoneMeow wrote: rsoultin, so if I somehow manage to convince you to not lynch me, and Trfel isn't viable either, who's the next best choice? These two posts also stuck out to me as trying to keep trfel off the table for today even though he was null on him but i think i could just be trying to find things to make him scummy as these could easily be made as town | ||
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On January 20 2015 12:40 rsoultin wrote: That I can definitely understand. My first reaction to the lynch was this is a royal mess...but it does narrow down potential scum a bit, so in that sense it could have been worse lol. Thanks for answering. How did the lynch narrow down scum for you? Or do you jsut mean because WW flipped town? | ||
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On January 20 2015 12:57 rsoultin wrote: So this post here, Breshke. I remember this catching my attention but then I forgot. The meta read obviously doesn't hold that much weight, though I'd think you'd have a read on LS cause you've played with him more. My question is...do you put LS' play early game in the same category as GB's and Trfel's? This almost seems like a problem with semantics, from my pov. Um im not exactly sure what you mean but i think the answer is no. GB and trefel both purposely set out to create discussion with opening posts that people would find weird and what not. Whereas LS created discussion by just being LS. The point was both sides were still creating discussion but he seemed to only be townreading LS for it. LS was also his only town read at the time and he seemed fairly certain and i couldnt understand why because as i found both his reasons lacking. I wouldn't say i have a meta read on LS i havn't played nearly enough games with him or anyone to have any meta reads. I agree that LS can easily be misread as scum when he is town but I also think that works a lot for him when he is mafia because people who have played with him before seem more inclined to town read him like I even found myself doing it this game. | ||
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On January 20 2015 13:08 geript wrote: @Breshke. I want you to do vote analysis Pre-switch, pre claim. I'm actually interested in what you think there. On January 19 2015 06:47 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count Damdred (2): rsoultin, LightningStrike jarjarbinks (4): Breshke, Damdred, GlowingBear, LoneMeow GlowingBear (6): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk, jarjarbinks, The Shining, Trfel Currently, GlowingBear is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone. Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. I assume this is the vote you mean geript So the two leading wagons are (pending CC on JarJar or a doc claim) both town. I think when it is town v town mafia is more likely to spread their votes out because they don't care who gets lynched. This is one of the reasons I want to lynch LM next because i think there is at least one scum not on the GB wagon here. If this was a final vote count rsoultin would probably look fairly bad but it isnt so i cant really look at this the same way since reads still had time to be pushed. | ||
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On January 20 2015 13:14 rsoultin wrote: You may be right. I thought he was pretty obvious scum in his scum game, personally...spent all day arguing it lol. But you may be right. I know that I get the feeling sometimes in these games with vets that newbies get picked on, because a lot of them have trouble appearing town. Like, I expect mafia to capitalize on that. (I realize I'm a newbie, too, but reads are my problem way more than getting townread, generally.) All I'm saying is that generating discussion by posting something what is the word? Contradictory is wrong. Controversial. Posting something controversial vice pressuring and asking questions seem different enough to me to not require someone to read them the same way. That's why this post got my attention. Do you disagree? No you are right they are different. What LS was doing was actually pushing the game forward to scumhunt. So yeah you are right about me just arguing semantics I guess i just never really thought of it out of the context of creating discussion vs creating discussion. Here is where i say i still don't understand how he was reading LS as his one and only town because i still think his reasons were weak because I think LS could easily ask questions as scum. That being said the read as right and LS is town the same as Jarjar so it could easily be me who has to think about stuff differently | ||
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On January 20 2015 13:13 Damdred wrote: Shining did a decent amount of work post flip and had some decent thoughts. Its generally a townie trait to jump straight in and get thoughts in during the night to me, some of his other things had a nice push to it as well. Its one of my weaker town reads but I doubt I lynch him tomorrow. I agree with the bolded part. Out of your town reads which two are you most sure on and which two are you least sure on or even list them all if that's easier because i think you're town and that means you have to be wrong on one of them. | ||
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On January 20 2015 13:40 Damdred wrote: Damdred (2): rsoultin, LightningStrike jarjarbinks (4): Breshke, Damdred, GlowingBear, LoneMeow GlowingBear (6): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk, jarjarbinks, The Shining, Trfel This is from my point of view obviously So this is the way its looking right now Breshke. if we go by what you say and scum are spread out that would make rsoultin the last scum for you? I would think that there might be two scum on the GB wagon pushing it over the cliff. When i say spread out i don't mean they all have to be on different people. I think it is likely there is two scum on GB because i think you and rsoultin are town. | ||
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On January 20 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote: Most sure of Rsoultin and Geript at this point, least sure of Breshke and Dp. Shining is somewhere inbetween the two sets. I thought i wasn't one of your townreads wasn't i on your PoE lynch list before? | ||
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On January 20 2015 13:52 Damdred wrote: Right now I have five town reads and its all the unconfirmed people in the game I am 100% wrong on someone. If tre and LM flip scum DP looks the worst but doesn't necessarily make him scum. your posts look ok tonight so I have to re look at you. Shining could be scum and rs could be bussing. So yea its not a fun spot to be in Could you explain why if Lm flips scum with trefel DP is most likely. I think geriept said this aswell but then seemed to say DP would bus if his mafia partner wasn't pulling his weight which i think could describe LM although im not sure how he is usually. | ||
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On January 20 2015 14:03 geript wrote: TBH any non-Trfel medic here should claim on D3. Makes them guess who to RB or are forced to RB LS and guess. Is that ment to say shouldn't? | ||
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On January 20 2015 14:09 jarjarbinks wrote: I'm back guys. Sorry Day1 took a lot out of me. Just caught up and went through GB's filter to see if I could find some gems. I feel like the mafia killed GB for a good reason. I've posted a few and gone over them. You might think this is fluff. Maybe my thoughts are fluffy lol 1. Very suspicious of Geript. IF Geript is mafia, GB would have probably kept going after him if kept alive. This also makes sense as to why Geript is still alive. Geript got a little questioning but not much after persuading almost everyone to vote Waffle. At the end he was still trying to comprehend how DP 100% thought Geript is town. This is something to take note of later. 2. Was suspicious of Trfel/LM. Trfel is obviously scum, so there was some merit there. In that same post he mentions DP. Which leads to the conundrum. If Geript and DP know each other so well, one should at least be a little suspicious of the other right (if one of them is mafia)? Geript and DP, please look back at the others play and MAKE SURE you aren't being fooled. You guys are vets, your opinions will bear more weight than people like me. 3. Ended up HARD TOWNING Shining. I think some other people (could be wrong here) had been suspicious of Shining, which could have led to a mislynch. We can't really do those much anymore. 4. Thought I was telling the truth about being the tracker and DEFENDED ME. A LOT. I AM THE FREAKING TRACKER. Please stop doubting me! I think the biggest thing that got him killed was his thoughts on Trfel. That being said, there was probably a few other things he was looking into that got him killed as well. Rsoultin was hard on Trfel and she's still alive (and everyone thinks she's town). I am not saying he knew everything. But he was killed for a reason. PLEASE DONT FORGET THAT. While you could be right with everything you say i find that it is fairly wifom. Dont get me wrong you should remember dead peopels reads but do mafia kill someone who is town reading a mafia to make that read eternal? Or do they keep them alive so they have someone in their corner? I also assume if all power roles are legit mafia were hunting the cop which doesn't really make sense because you'd think GB would have claimed if he was cop considering he was a wagon near EoD but they might've seen something i havn't | ||
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On January 20 2015 14:44 jarjarbinks wrote: I'll rank them. 1. LM- The lurky mafia of the group. Was scumming me after I felt mafia knew I was blue. A lot of people had talked about them. I voted for LM before forced to leave and I'll stick to it for now. The Trfel vote on LM worries me, but I could see him doing that to throw people like me off. 2. Breshke- GB was suspicious of you, I'm suspicious of you. You were on me after I felt mafia knew I was tracker. 3. Geript- I could see Geript pulling off killing Waffle as mafia and thinking he could get away with it. Plus GB didn't like him. 4. DP- This is more based on what other people have said about DP being the #3 if LM and Trfel are Scum. Why does it make geript mafia for putting the lynch onto WW considering it was GB set to be lynched who we know is town. | ||
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On January 21 2015 08:20 jarjarbinks wrote: Although it is worth noting that LM recently had put my vote tally to four right before the Geript switch. Not specifically RIGHT before, but a few minutes before. I'm not really buying this tinfoil theory on geript trying to get you lynched by switching to WW. I think he could have easily just switched to you pre claim instead of having to have so many things fall into place. I also really don't think geript is mafia. I still need to reread him but the fact that he is town reading me or at least not wanting to lynch me like im not in his team of three makes me think he is more likely town. This is because thread sentiment right now is that LM is mafia and the third is me/DP. Geript however has had a town read on DP that he is fairly sure he is right on so the path of least resistance for him would be to scum read me. That isn't the case though as his scumteam instead has damdred in it. I do need to look into him however because assuming he would take the path of least resistance is scum is not always going to be correct especially if he is a vet or good player or whatever. | ||
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On January 21 2015 11:02 Trfel wrote: After I die, PLEASE lynch LightningStrike.... Don't lynch jarjarbinks. He is new, but he isn't scum. Seriously, read his play from last game and you will understand. His filter looks fine to me. Why would we lynch even think of lynching jarjar if you flipped green which i what i assume you are trying to sell. | ||
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This leads me to think my PoE was shiter than i thought it was. On January 21 2015 22:40 LoneMeow wrote: Breshke is scum. There's a clear avoidance of committing to any reads, and it's quite scummy how he wants to lynch me without considering other options. Out of this list of 4 people, I can understand why he would not consider geript or DarthPunk at the time of this post, but he makes no explanation of why he picked me over The Shining. In fact, nowhere in his filter does he take any kind of stance on The Shining or analyze him. The only reason he gives for wanting to lynch me is where my vote ended up - he does not analyze why it ended up there, nor try to use the rest of my posting to validate his read in the slightest. There's also a certain lack of going anywhere with his posts, he's content to discuss whether LightningStrike might have fake claimed (as if) and ask questions that don't really go anywhere instead of posting his own analysis. Currently he's by far my best lynch after Trfel. LM could you explain the bolded to me? | ||
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Hahaha true, still that wasnt entirely your fault we shouldn't have lynched you. LS have you looked much at trfels filter our insight would be fairly useful as you are basically confirmed. | ||
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On January 22 2015 07:57 jarjarbinks wrote: Hmm good call. Should we both pick the same person tonight? One of us will probably be blocked but one of us will definitely go through. One will probably be blocked the other might be killed so it probably wont matter. If they weren't going to do that i think theyd block LS then kill whoever because if you are the tracker which is more and more likely your role isn't as strong as cop and a green report from you or whatever doesn't mean as much. That being said it isnt really worth talking about this stuff or deciding who you are both going to use your roles on because it is giving mafia more information just use your best judgement. | ||
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On January 21 2015 22:40 LoneMeow wrote: Breshke is scum. There's a clear avoidance of committing to any reads, and it's quite scummy how he wants to lynch me without considering other options. Out of this list of 4 people, I can understand why he would not consider geript or DarthPunk at the time of this post, but he makes no explanation of why he picked me over The Shining. In fact, nowhere in his filter does he take any kind of stance on The Shining or analyze him. The only reason he gives for wanting to lynch me is where my vote ended up - he does not analyze why it ended up there, nor try to use the rest of my posting to validate his read in the slightest. There's also a certain lack of going anywhere with his posts, he's content to discuss whether LightningStrike might have fake claimed (as if) and ask questions that don't really go anywhere instead of posting his own analysis. Currently he's by far my best lynch after Trfel. The bolded part gives me an impression that LM can see reason as to why i wouldn't have wanted to lynched geript or DP. This means that he must agree that they have done something townie or he is reading them town or whatever. But if you look at the reads list he just posted DP and Geript are both in his null category the same as the shining so from his PoV this doesn't make sense. | ||
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On January 22 2015 10:23 rsoultin wrote: I know you said you don't know exactly why his filter/posts are hard to read, but could you try to put it into words for me, Bresh? I ask because for whatever reason he keeps...slipping my notice. If that makes any sense. Usually something stands out to me, and I'll engage with that person, but by and large Shining has not engendered that response. Maybe if you can articulate it I can figure out why that keeps happening lol. ehh, the posts feel kind of robotic too me but thats not alignment indicative. I also think more words are used than are encessary if that makes sense like I believe he could be more to the point as well. I also find that he says a lot of "good" things but nothing really controversial (this is the hardest bit for me to explain.) Like i dont think he has been trying to work out allighments. LM has been one of his top scums and he really hasn't pushed or suspected anyone else except for GB at some point. He even admits he hasn't really looked through LM's filter. I don't know if this is scummy or lazy town though because i did really like his interaction with GB. | ||
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On January 22 2015 19:17 LoneMeow wrote: The bolded part meant I can understand why you might think it's not worth considering them (2 active players) over myself and The Shining (2 rather inactive players). It does not mean I think they should not be considered. The biggest reason I'm reading your scum right now is that you don't seem to bother trying to verify your theory based on votes that I am scum using what I have posted in the game. Have you read my filter? Did you analyze the posts? What conclusions did you come to? What play is there to analyse? You have done almost nothing this entire game. At EoD1 you put your vote on jarjar because you town read GB. But you didn't want to lynch jarjar before that. I don't think a town just settles like that when there was still some time left during the day. Yes it was only 15 minutes i think so that's a harsh call but you were obviously around because you had time to switch to WW. On January 19 2015 03:45 LoneMeow wrote: Definitely not lynching LightningStrike today. Why not jarjarbinks? As a matter of fact, I do agree with that, but I want to hear your reasons. I need to reread Damdred and geript. On January 19 2015 06:36 LoneMeow wrote: Just got back and caught up, so not yet. Why are you voting Damdred? Any other reason than GlowingBear's case? Here is twice where you have said you are going to specifically read damdred and geript yet you still have them in your nulls. Did you actually read their filters and not manage to pull an alignment lean one way or the other? On January 22 2015 19:22 LoneMeow wrote: Breshke, please give your current reads when you're around. A list is fine for now. Town Rsoultin JarJar Geript Town lean The shining Null Damdred DP Scum LM Obviously one of my nulls is wrong or im wrong on one of my town lean but im fairly sure geript and rsoultin are town | ||
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On January 19 2015 06:38 Damdred wrote: All a sudden GB realizes the truth. On January 19 2015 06:40 Damdred wrote: You guys should trust in ny read that GB is town On January 19 2015 06:42 Damdred wrote: GB get me out instead save yourself here. On January 19 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote: This is great shining says damdred and lm are lynched. Votes GB. Pure Scum On January 19 2015 06:45 Damdred wrote: There's probably two Scum on GB wagon at this point In the spoiler is a part of the thread where i started reading damdred really town. Like it was fairly obvious GB was town there and these reactions seem so towny to me. In retrospect after realizing damdred wasn't in that much danger of being lynched I remember the vibe i was getting in the thread was that it WAS going to be one of GB or damdred. Basically damdred is in my null now because even if at the time i thought he was going to be lynched it wasn't actually true so it isn't enough anymore. | ||
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On January 23 2015 08:14 geript wrote: Actually, I'm just going to sheep Breshke. He's obviously reading far more carefully than I am right now. ##vote Lonemeow I cant tell if this is sarcasm or not but in any case it is a bad idea. | ||
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On January 23 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote: I think I was in real danger of getting lynched, before GB went towards the don't kill damdred zone, jarjar was going to vote me I believe and rs was thinking about it. Sojust because votes end one way doesn't make it so. I gotta think But lm should be lynched then IDK gotta decide Yeah i agree with what you are saying but I don't think i should rely on that so much for a town read. What do you think of DP? | ||
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On January 23 2015 08:54 jarjarbinks wrote: This is about Trfel voting Geript at the beginning. Do you guys think that Trfel would try to bus BOTH of his mafia bro's? I would definitely hope not. Especially right out of the gate. I could see him bussing one and maybe joining a lynchtrain on the other, but trying to kill off both your buddies seems messed up to me. If geript turns mafia, PLEASE don't let me be mafia with Trfel lol But anyways, what are your thoughts on this rsoultin? Think that possibly gives any towncred to geript if LM does turn scum? Definitely an if statement lol Scum is told the setup so they would have known there was two investigative roles so i think it is possible if not likely that scum busses both partners (maybe not the roelblocker) because you would want to distance from your team. | ||
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What do you think of the fact that basically no one disagrees with this? Feel free to answer this aswell RSo. | ||
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On January 23 2015 09:25 jarjarbinks wrote: Do you think this correlates with how Rsoultin went after Trfel so hard so early? No not really because im reading RSo as town and speculating on how the mafia team would act isnt really a reason to reconsider that. Like they might bus more but they might also just hard defend because wifom. Why do you ask this do you have other reasons to think she is mafia? | ||
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On January 23 2015 10:29 geript wrote: I'll need to double check a few things but I don't hate those points on Shining. What things do you need to double check? | ||
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This game still feels dead. Have your feelings changed at all about DP? | ||
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On January 23 2015 15:20 DarthPunk wrote: I said before that I thought LM looked townie for a few of his posts, That hasn't changed just because the thread collectively decided he was scum. Also he seems to be putting in effort. And trying to solve the game. Like I could be wrong. But I just prefer a Shining lynch. I don't get the impression that he is trying to solve the game at all he has four nulls and i don't see anywhere that he is trying to work out their alignments. | ||
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On January 19 2015 13:57 Damdred wrote: I'm somewhat breaking my promise about not doing a ton of quotes in a post but i'm going to hide them behind spoilers to make readability better. Going into EoD, I had a few problems with LM. These problems were mainly, a disconnect from the game. The catch up posts were incredibly behind and out of context they looked ok but in context seemed really disjoined and didn't flow well with the thread. Wasn't really interested in interactions much going into the day either. I decided to look into EoD for LM and a few thing struck out at me. The last quote in the spoilers is interesting to me, the vote hinges on WW voting with his scum read on tr. When if you check the votes and pay attention WW was on GB well before Tr even made a move that way. So it was an excuse to strengthen a mislynch which is telling to me, why lie and over explain your vote? At the start of the quotes (previously jarjar was only mentioned twice and never was really sure if it was a scum read or what but was non committal) Asks why wouldn't you lynch jarjar, makes some noncommittal marks about somewhat scum reading me because it looks like my train is about to take off. Next quote is a inconsitancy as LM never said that he didn't want to vote Jarjar, and also I think the train was going against GB and it was better to say I shouldn't be the lynch at this moment. Overall it looks like someone just trying to find a safe spot for a vote, lying and over explaining everything while not really trying to rock the vote while parroting at points to. pretty sure this person is scum. Quotes are in filter + Show Spoiler + On January 19 2015 03:45 LoneMeow wrote: Definitely not lynching LightningStrike today. Why not jarjarbinks? As a matter of fact, I do agree with that, but I want to hear your reasons. I need to reread Damdred and geript. On January 19 2015 06:47 LoneMeow wrote: Not lynching Damdred today unless there's something new on him, I quickly read his filter and I think he's more likely town than not. I prefer jarjarbinks over GlowingBear despite what I said earlier about not wanting to lynch him today. jarjarbinks just seems to be making apologies and sitting in the background whereas GlowingBear is very vocally pushing for his lynch. ##Vote: jarjarbinks On January 19 2015 06:57 LoneMeow wrote: Wait, TheWarWaffle was actually voting with his previous best scum read Trfel? Yeah I'm ok with lynching him. ##Unvote ##Vote: TheWarWaffle | ||
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On January 23 2015 16:04 DarthPunk wrote: Being careful means you care what people think of you which is a scum trait. I think some newbie towns are also careful with what they say not that anyone should get a pass for being new. What do you think of me and RSo DP? Especially me, you seem more inclined to think LM is town and he scum reads me do you agree? | ||
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On January 23 2015 16:13 DarthPunk wrote: Everything you say seems to make sense on the surface but you aren't in my town pile as much as geript and Rso. Fair enough. I just don't get your LM read that much then because you say he is trying to solve the game but all he has done recently is make cases on me. It lead me to believe you were agreeing with him but apparently not so much? | ||
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On January 23 2015 20:54 DarthPunk wrote: I also am paranoid that everyone in the game seems to be on the LM wagon aside from me which means scum has to be on his wagon, and I have no idea why scum would bus straight after losing trifel. Yeah this has been in the back of my mind as well but i don't see how anyone could defend LM here. Yeah looking at his case on me i think it addresses good points about me not actually evaluating his play properly but other than that there is nothing. I really don't think he will flip town. What is the thing you like about the shinings post i forfeit my chance at a cookie. @Theshining could you explain why you think DP is town? | ||
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So noone cc'd on D!. Then D2 LS came out. Mafia couldn't CC him there (other than trefel) Because that would have been a two for one. Also anyone cc'ing JJB that day would have also looked bad because the obvious play would have been just to wait for D3 because one you get another chance at a check if tracker or a possible save is doc. D3 comes along and LS was killed which confirms there is no medic because anyone trying to explain why they wouldn't be saving LS there would have a hard time. So they can't claim doctor and they cant claim cop so they would have to directly cc JJB. This would elad to a couple questions, One why they didn't CC D1 and two why JJB has been getting roleblocked every night. Also the fact that we still have a misslynch before mylo means at best for them we lynch JJB first then them sending their partner into final 3. Basically what im saying is that i do think the plan was for someone to CC some form of power role but LS's red check put a spanner in the works and didn't allow the play to happen. That is probably why GB was killed because killing JJB obviously confirms him thus not allowing a CC. Also because of this i don't see how geript voicing his doubt on the roles achieves anything if he is scum. There is no chance anyone was going to actually not believe JJB until there is a CC and that CC wasn't going to happen for the reasons i just explained. | ||
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On January 24 2015 08:15 rsoultin wrote: So let's do logic for a second. We know we have a cop. We know that JJB claimed tracker. - If he's scum and there's a real tracker, that tracker should have countered him by now. - If he's scum and there's a real doc, the doc should have countered by now because LS' flip revealed the fake. Unless our blue is friggin retarded this game, JJB is the real tracker. Yeah I agree. I don't see how it is scummy of geript to doubt this. Useless maybe but not exactly scummy more like null because i don't see what he gains either way. | ||
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On January 24 2015 08:25 geript wrote: But if they were planning to CC his check, it's just as good to CC on D3 as it is on D2. Like it's actually better in many cases. How is it better. They just trade 1 for 1 still at best. | ||
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On January 24 2015 08:37 geript wrote: Pretend you're medic right. Someone claims cop with a tracker already claimed; you know one is lying. So if you lynch the redcheck, you learn which one is lying and who to put the save on at night. So not only would you not CC JJB's claim, you also wouldn't CC LS' claim. In the same way as mafia, same rules apply except that they have to claim being rb'd. Perhaps they were intending to CC JJB's tracker claim directly, but that's less likely to be effective. Yeah exactly you wouldn't CC until the D3 which is today. For a medic CC to be believable LS would have had to not die in the night because the doc would obviously save him. This means that the RB would have to be on LS. Therefore they can't RB JJB and they can't kill him (because then the medic CC makes no sense unless LS outs a partner) So they leave JJB alive without role blocking him which is bad for them. Also considering we have a misslynch before mylo we always kill the scum there so at worst we are in mylo. This isn't a good situation for them since our roles are useless anyway because of the RBer. I don't really think talking about this anymore is useful really. So Geript, say LM flips scum and damdred is lynched and flips town. Who do you then want to lynch? | ||
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On January 24 2015 09:45 Damdred wrote: Ok prediction, rs dies tonight or Tommorow with jarjar the following day or tonight leaving a final of. Geript dp, shining, Breske. That is scary Why do you assume you are going to be lynched? | ||
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I don't understand DP's play. People have been saying him and LM could be a team even geript who had been townreading him. He then continues to defend LM seemingly without really thinking about it or analyzing it. As town i would think he would be more careful and actually look into it properly as people already think they are a team and think LM is probable scum, even geript. I get this weird sense that he wants that he wants to look like he is aligned with LM because none really seems to be considering him a possible scum outside of that team. | ||
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On January 24 2015 10:10 The Shining wrote: Well, at least I got the who. Low hanging fruit in me, basically inactive town. ##Vote:LoneMeow I might be willing to pull off of you if you can explain what makes us more suspicious than anyone else but I've been weary of you for a while and your appearances now make it worse. Still feels like you are just looking for an easy place to drop your vote. You have no real case aside from Breshke once he scummed you(OMGUS?) and the 3 people you've scummed or been suspicious of are Bresh, Damdred, myself, all of whom have earlier posts directly questioning you and commenting on your filter. The inconsistencies pointed out in some of your posts seem hastily thrown together, not a genuine effort to look into anyone. Had planned on posting more including responding to Bresh asking me to explain my DP town read(which is weakest of the 3, hence why its bottom) but Friday nights at work are hectic, been working on this post on my tablet for about an hour. Going to look through DP's filter for the specific posts that made me lean town on him. But I'm here, should be in and out for the next 2-3 hours if anyone wants to bounce anything off of me. I don't think LM's post on me was OMGUS. As i said before he made some legitimate points. | ||
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One thing is very clear though that is that RSo is town 100 percent. Damdred could you also pelase explain why you didn't want to lynch the shining yet On January 25 2015 07:11 Damdred wrote: Geript is cleared he wouldn't pull a second mislynch off a town that's been an almost afk lynch as scum I think. Which is a bit of wifom but hes town, DP is town. So that really narrows down my focus. JarJar is confirmed Shining, Breshke, Rsoultin. There are two mafia in there. I think its Breshke and Rsoultin with his unwillingness to switch, LM was acting pretty towny eod. You consider him in a group of 2/3 mafia straight after the lynch? Also i can explain the phone thing but its pointless because as scum i would just bullshit anyway | ||
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I was trying to udnerstand why people only considered DP as scum in a team with LM and trefel. Like no one seems to want to consider that DP could be scum if LM didn't flip scum. This was made extra fucking weird by the fact that he continued to jsut defend LM for almost nothing and then i call him out and he admits he might be wrong. Then LM makes some response to me about paranoia in which he was basically agreeing with my paranoia about DP and DP town reads him for it yet im not town for having the same paranoia? Yeah reading through LM was townie near the end and if I was around i probably would still have been pushing him because i was tunneled as fuck but the DP defense just seemed to come too early before LM started looking townie. | ||
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On January 25 2015 08:35 The Shining wrote: FFS this is bs. OK I'm sorry if my posts look constructed and formatted, it is my style of typing. I tried my hardest to get here before EoD but I'm at work with only tablet capability. I'm sick of giving excuses for myself but this is my life right now and I'm sorry. EoD is 5 pm for me, 4-6 are my busiest hours. I was typing up a post before this one half hour before EoD responding to LM and Breshke wanting my read on DP. Here it is. "LM, Breshke - My townread on DarthPunk is not strong. It is a lean. As someone put it earlier, his early filter was Trfel centric which was a red question mark for me but everything since then has seemed pretty Townie. He wanted to lynch LS and did his own past game diving to evolve his read into a town read, which I agreed with because LS felt to me how he felt in the newbie game. There is also a ton of direct questioning from DP, as well as what seems like genuine effort to solve the game. I do see it possible for scum to question and "solve" the game, too, but going head to head with my pretty strong townread in RSo seems like suicide IMO." After today, I have to look into what Damdred said about DP not being the type to associate himself so closely by defending scum LM. LM flipped Town so did DP trust his town read or was it vying to buy town credit? I got busy as hell at work as I was typing what is in the quotations and couldn't finish anything or get back on until now. Now I'm logged into what feels like a shiteshow. I was wrong on LM and I swore he was scum. I'm actually really upset about this because his EoD reminded me of me when I had to defend myself last game out of a mislynch. It would've given me enough pause to think about moving wagons, honestly. Breshke not being here is about as damning as me not being here EoD, yes, but the phone excuse he brought up seems to be really weak. Also, current discussion on Breshke. In his filter, he blatantly started he had DP as townread D1 and had to rethink it. Null on DP for a while, asks someone for their thoughts on DP. Throws this out there. Implies DP is scummy now. Afterward, he questions DP's townread on LM. By that logic, you're implying DP is scum and wants to align himself with LM because he knows LM will flip town and you also imply Town thinks the only way we scum DP is if LM is scum with him since he defended him so this would exonerate DP. If you believe your own logic, why did you still case and push LM so hard? Because all my DP shit was paranoia. His defense of LM was sketchy and so in that world i brought up it would make LM town but im not going to go for the paranoid world im going to lynch who i think is scum. I had reasons i thought LM was scum but i don't have except information so im going to post shit that applies if im wrong. | ||
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On January 25 2015 11:50 geript wrote: It's really odd the Breshke isn't flipping the fuck out our anything. Like he was literally 1 vote off of getting lynched. It's like business as usual. That's really funky. Is this alignment indicative at all? It isn't if i was scum i would react the same way as town because as both alignments i wouldn't want to get lynched. I didn't freak or rage at anyone because how could I? I as afk for like the last 16 hours of that day I knew shit was going to go down. For DP + Show Spoiler + On January 19 2015 05:23 Breshke wrote: GB if damdred wadsnt an option who would you go for? This is my first post after waking up it is at 6:53 am my time deadline is at 8:30 am. My dad is a tradie and has recently left his buisness to go and work on his own so i have been helping him out every couple days. I wake up at 6 when i go to work with him and get ready to leave the house around 7. After this it involves a ton of driving during which i was phone posting in the thread. I have a Samsung galaxy S2 which is a fairly old phone ive had it for a number of years now and it does this weird thing where it randomly heats up using all the battery and killing the phone. So after an hour of trying to keep up with the thread my phone starts fucking up so i turn it off to try cool the battery and it doesn't turn back on hence battery is dead. Also we arn't lynching anyone tomorrow because i assume JJB dies tonight and then mafia needs to kill someone who is not confirmed. Also damdred i think both of your scum from your PoE are wrong. I know my filter is crap this game but seriously look at RSo's how can you think she is scum can you explain it without PoE? Honestly i feel the reasons you cleared DP and geript to be fairly weak and don't see how you are ignoring everything else that has happened in the game because of it. | ||
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Also how sure are you on your the shining read are you sure you arnt jsut giving him a pass for being a newbie? All that shit I said about DP seemingly defending LM from nothing i still think is true but he might just have seen something i didn't. Also he seemed genuinely happy when people started changing their votes to me so i have me hesitations. | ||
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On January 25 2015 18:18 DarthPunk wrote: I'm not scum for Town reading LM. You are just bad for scum reading him. Honestly. The dude looked townie day on because of the way he could change gears on his read with with new information proving his read wrong. Scum just don't change gears that fast in response to new information. They just don't. I have explained all this before. I honestly STILL have no idea how all of you bads scum read him based on his filter. AND HE WAS SHITTING TOWNIE RAINBOWS FROM HALFWAY THROUGH YESTERDAY. Honestly. Yeah i agree he looked more townie at the end of last day phase especially when he started reconsidering his read on me. My point is i don't agree with how early you townread him and call me bad for that idc. Do you agree we no lynch tomorrow DP? | ||
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Also damdred could you explain when you are around how geript has gone from scum to town for you. On January 25 2015 07:11 Damdred wrote: Geript is cleared he wouldn't pull a second mislynch off a town that's been an almost afk lynch as scum I think. Which is a bit of wifom but hes town, DP is town. So that really narrows down my focus. JarJar is confirmed Shining, Breshke, Rsoultin. There are two mafia in there. I think its Breshke and Rsoultin with his unwillingness to switch, LM was acting pretty towny eod. I know you explain it here but I don't see how trying to move the lynch from a townie to a townie twice is townie enough to change your fairly persistent scum read on him. | ||
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On January 26 2015 07:03 geript wrote: Honestly, I'm really torn on Damdred entirely. Like I think I just want to call him town and say fuck it, if he's mafia I'm just going to lynch him in every game he's in. Then who is your mafia because you are also reading DP as town still? That leaves you with me RSo and shining. Im town RSo is town and who knows what shining is I keep reading his filter and jsut seeing him jump on stuff other people have already discussed. Either way you are wrong geript. | ||
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On January 26 2015 07:10 geript wrote: What am I wrong about? Damdred being town? DP Being town? Possibly both but i do agree it is unlikely because of the last EoD. It is still possible though because as you've said DP will bus people who arn't pulling their weight so i think it is entirely possible he buses his partner in damdred there. If he gets the lynch on damdred he basically just wins the game solo in the world where they are the two remaining. What I think is more likely is that damdred is the scum with the shining. | ||
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Shining is PoE which is shit this far in the game. Looking at his filter he often just makes large posts that go with thread sentiment not adding much or pushing stuff himself but i don't really think this is alignment indicative for new town. The PoE is also shit because DP still makes me paranoid as shit. | ||
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On January 24 2015 21:20 DarthPunk wrote: Small. He is a bit weird about defending trefel. I think he says something like: "DP has a good point about trefel being town" and then Chainsaw defends him by attacking the person arguing against Trefel but like he attacks her arguments rather than say I still think trefel'/s town. To me that looks terrible. I'll try and find the posts in his filter. Those two posts look pretty bad in hindsight of a scum!trefel flip. Obviously he could be town and just had a solid read or agreed with my posts, but as mafia trying to defend his scum buddy getting behind a townies arguments in order to defend his scum buddy is a very realistic scenario. there was another post that I didn;t like He is confronted about lack of scum reads at the start and Immediately tries to deflect attention away from his own reads by starting a discussion about the questioners reads. I find that scum are more likely to deflect attention to their positions and town are more likely to seek it. I don't like the self-deprecation either but that is more a tone thing. I want to talk about the bolded part. This doesn't really make sense if you now think me and RSo are scum together. Like why would i defend my scum buddy by throwing scum on my other scum buddy for accusing him. This doesn't make sense i would just let the bus play out because me getting involved either way makes one of my partners look bad. | ||
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On January 26 2015 09:43 The Shining wrote: Geript, quoting is a pain in the ass on a tablet. I will only do it here if absolutely necessary, like in this post. Also, I was in that game when both RSo and Damdred were scum(I was a blue role) and I think JJB linked an old scum game of mine in the Newbie game. This isn't my first time saying this but I really think those are horrible examples of play. This is an entirely different atmosphere. I don't think I've tried a fraction as hard there as I have here, sadly. Breshke, OK well your paranoid world has come to life. LM was town. And now that your paranoid world has come to fruition, you drop DP. You ask him to agree on a no lynch after posting this: Once your mislynch went through, instead of following up your suspicion, you give soft BS reasoning for letting DP go. "Seemed genuinely happy"? He's a vet, I'm sure he can pretend to be happy in a text post. "Saw something you didn't"? Then go filter dive and look for what he saw, or ask him, or bring it up. You dropped this way too fast considering you bothered to mention it in a prior post. Looks to me like you're afraid of DP defending himself and proving you're scum and are trying to buy yourself another NK with the no lynch instead. Or worse, you're back tracking off of a scum partner that you never intended to push, anyway. No because LM started actually looking town at the end when i wasn't around. The posts when DP said he was town before i was around i still don't see what he saw. He obviously sees things different to me or that paranoid world is real. Shining who are your scum obviously other than me? I honestly don't know your position on anyone else other than myself. | ||
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I agree geript is town but I have most of the game i don't see what has made you flip your read. Im boring because im about to leave. It is absurd that we arnt no lynching | ||
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On January 26 2015 10:29 Damdred wrote: Town cred for what? What's the point of towncred in mylo when half the game is scumming me at least. Yeah why would you want towncred when people think you are scum | ||
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On January 25 2015 06:59 Half the Sky wrote: Day 3: This Final Hour LoneMeow (4): Damdred (0): The Shining (0): rsoultin (0): Breshke (4): Damdred, geript, DarthPunk, LoneMeow Currently, LoneMeow is set to be lynched. Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone. Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. This is the final votecount from yesterday. Unless you think my partner switches to me right before deadline you basically HAVE TO THINK that RSo is my scum buddy OR that you are. | ||
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I was so out of youch witht he thread like night one or something because i had missed so much and RSo noticed this brought it up then started interacting with me basically bringing me back into the game and making me want to play again. Then all throughout the game she is always posting stuff down the same line of thought as me. Like i go to post it and bam there's RSo basically writing my thoughts down. It is so similar to the one other game i have played with her (one game obviously hardly means shit) and we were both town although i probably played better that game. It is even more obvious to me that she is town this phase and the last. One she didn't switch to me which means nothing in itself but if she was scum it would be so easy for her to just push my misslynch today and win the game because it until recently it seemed everyone else was happy with me being scum. The main reason i want to no lynch is because it would suck if geript and DP were the two remaining. I DON'T THINK THIS IS TRUE BECAUSE I STILL THINK GERIPT IS TOWN ESPECIALLY WITH HIM OPPOSING THE LYNCH ON ME BECAUSE WHATS THE POINT OF DOING THAT AS SCUM?? But no lynching and geript dieing means we don't lost to a world that like no one has considered (for good reason) other than i think RSo very early in the game. Also before anyone loses their shit yes i assume geript will die because killing anyone else will disprove any worlds people are actually wanting to lynch Also i wasn't in carol. I was in two newbies first that i wouldn't even count because i basically just sheeped and was even more of a dead weight for town. Then I was in student and campus. Then two scum games in a row being Metal and new years | ||
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On January 27 2015 08:06 Damdred wrote: I'll just give you a summary, if breshke is scum he wouldn't town read his partner so hard. compared to other games where he either goes after partners or lightly town reads them So you are now saying it is unlikely me and rsoultin are partners. Then who the hell are you saying im scum with because it could realistically ONLY be the shining who you just said you don't want to lynch I like your case on the shining damded except for the less quotes thing because that's entirely understandable because play on a phone/tablet sucks ass. Also the tablet thing was mentioned before anyone brought up he was quoting less. On January 26 2015 10:34 The Shining wrote: Bresh, I agree, I saw the same in looking at LM's EoD actions. I was just curious if one part of your paranoid world is real, why not question the possibilities of other parts? Mainly because I couldn't see what DP saw in LM, either. My reads haven't changed all that much. I'm almost as sure about you as I was about LM, which is why I'm listening to these other scum team theories. I was wrong once this game and could be wrong again, although I don't think I am. I was always going to suspect Damdred if LM flipped Town, I even mentioned that in my filter, but I don't see it possible for the two of you to be teammates. So either I'm wrong on you or wrong on him. The only other slight question mark I have is DP, because of the LM townread and you letting him go so easily. I actually haven't looked into interactions between you two yet but now I want to. I'll have to come back for that. RSo, there are 6 of us left. What I was getting at is if Breshke somehow does convince us all to no lynch, we still have 6. After Night 4, it'd be 5 with 2 scum. His reasoning looks good on the outside(get rid of a question mark) but it also allows another NK to get rid of our strongest Townie who could figure it all out. Also, why so snappy with me? I did read. Anything DP-related after that is "idk still paranoid as shit about DP." And that is it. this is a very important lynch for Town. I'm paranoid of basically all of you after my last Mylo experience. I just felt like Bresh set himself up to pursue that train of thought, not chalk it up to paranoia. If anything, Mylo is the best day for theories like that. At the risk of sounding conceited, Damdred and I would've played a much better game without towning each other and association if we both rolled scum together. He also was ready to lynch me as scum at one point over a misunderstood post alone. I doubt scum would do that to another scum without making sure it wasn't a misunderstandng beforehand. That's not to say I don't think he's scum because I've been on the fence about him basically all game. You are one of my strongest townreads but I'd like to see his case on you first, in case there really is something there I'm not seeing. I do find a disconnect in his reads in this post. He seems to scum read myself and damdred and correctly says that we couldn't be a team. He then goes on to say that DP is his only other question mark. There is no mention of anyone else so this assumes he was town reading everyone else. I then pointed out that if he was scumreading me he would have to scumread RSo because of the votecount and he then backtracks and says RSo is actually a question mark aswell. | ||
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On January 27 2015 10:06 rsoultin wrote: hey geript, i'm reading your case on shining...I really like your last point. I know it's the wifom one. but it is kind of odd that he's been so overlooked. I townread him for EoD 1, and I know this is different from where I normally play with him, but I don't think he's actually pushed anyone at all this game...which, at least in the less active one, he does a lot. I wouldn't say this is entirely true. He has been pushing people but its really mostly been whoever the thread was on at the time (LM and myself come to mind) | ||
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On January 27 2015 12:16 DarthPunk wrote: Cause: Geript is town and Damdred looks townie whenever he tries. Day one and Last lynch. I think the Vote yesterday was scum/town due to weird lynch inertia and the vote being so closely contested. You conveniently afk'd from two lynches and were there just before the lynch of LM before disappearing again as noted by geript. Rso - Shining whilst possible doesn't make as much sense due to the way Rso refused to swap her vote to you yesterday which, if she is scum and you are town is a completely arbitary decision. ALSO Your play changed weirdly at mylo. I wasn't around for like over 12 hours before the LM lynch i don't know if you are flat out lieing or are just mistaken you might want to go look. Explain the weird inertia? How would that lynch have been different if it was town/town? Also how is my play different? Stop calling me scum for things and not explaining them | ||
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On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote: I wasn't around for like over 12 hours before the LM lynch i don't know if you are flat out lieing or are just mistaken you might want to go look. Explain the weird inertia? How would that lynch have been different if it was town/town? Also how is my play different? Stop calling me scum for things and not explaining them On January 27 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote: Also why do you think damdred has only been tring D1 and around the LM lynch? The time when he has not been trying correlates with LS getting a red check which very well could have demotivated him. Also @damdred im really suprised you don;t even consider no lynching. On January 19 2015 12:01 Damdred wrote: Look at Russian Mafia for geripts last scum game, it was a really good scum game for him one that he probably should of hard carried to the victory. Honestly its one of the reasons hes not my #1 town, he makes me more paranoid than HF does as scum I think. Its a pretty small lynch pool for you tomorrow then? This post shows that you obviously respect geripts mafia play yet you are clearing him solely based of the fact that he pulled the vote or off a town or at least attempted to in two EoDs. Why is this so convincing to you, why is it impossible he does this as scum? It is very possible im being really dumb here because yeah one of the people saying no lynching is dumb has to be town but i still don't understand what is so bad with no lynching. Yes we will have one less town voice and yes it will most likely be Geript because everyone seems to have him as town. I don't see why we can't even decide the lynch today, the nk happens and we just lynch that person. One town voting wrong can still fuck up the lynch today so i still don't think we are in that much of a worse position tomorrow if not a better one because whoever dies will be confirmed town. | ||
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On January 27 2015 05:46 geript wrote: I think I want to lynch Shining and here's why: 1. The JJB "catch"--One of the things that stuck out to me on D1 was the JJB "catch" regarding Doc/Cop setup. I really wish I had pressured him more over this. Like it's really not something that town tends to think of that much because for the most part, they really don't care. 2. Many of his posts are "over explainy"--Things just seemed to be hashed out in a longer, less effective way than they were in Newbie LX. Posts tend to be one long thought instead of separated but somewhat connected thoughts. 3. GB had a few decent points on him here: The second point I've been back and forth on. But I think it's reasonable accurate-ish. It is interesting to note that both Damdred and GB picked up on the "scumreads Damdred, GB and LM but votes for GB." Coming from a game where pretty much no mafia bussed, it's a pretty odd thought imo. There's paranoia, but Shining in my (short) experience is a pretty methodical player and that seems rather odd coming from him. 4. I really like the point against him that he's quoting less. I know he says it's a pain and I completely sympathize with that as I often play from my phone and quoting from mobile is a real hassle especially when I want to quote multiple things. That said, for me it shows a level of caring and want to find the right lynch. It's something that, maybe incorrectly, I'm putting stock in, but I don't think it's something that should be ignored wholly. 5. This is to some extent wifomy, but in the immortal words of Teh Blazinghand the first of his name long shall he live and long may his shenanigans live in imfamy, "There's wine that's easier to drink and wine that's harder to drink." In this case, I find it to be the former. I think if Shining were town, when there was a slight push towards him near the EoD3 he would've been a much easier target than Breshke. Like if he's town, his lynch says little to nothing about Breshke/LM and town is likely to be wifom focused on them D4. Shining's pretty low impact this game and I think almost anyone could easily come up with reasons to head towards him easily. Except that for most of today and much of yesterday, few if any have really taken a hard look into him. Few care. For town, to some extent that can be normal. But he really feels like lynch bait and it's really odd to see lynch bait come up so infrequently if he's town. ##vote The Shining I'll be around sporadically for the rest of the afternoon/evening. I'm going to look at rsoultin and DP next. Sidenote: I think I'm going to blame not lynching Damdred on GB. I'm just going to sheep his townread for now and blame him for it if it's wrong. If he's town though I totally got there on my own for better reasons because meta. Point one is meh to me as i think it honestly is different for every player and how much they think about the setup and rely on roles coming out etc. I like point two and three and dislike point 4. Five is what really sold it for me though because i think it says a lot. I don't get damdreds townread on the shining and damdred decided to vote me when DP was trying to get another wagon to get traction and the shining was considered as an option. Without specifically looking in his filter can you explain damdreds town read on the shining for me RSo because i don't know if it is just me or not. | ||
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On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote: I wasn't around for like over 12 hours before the LM lynch i don't know if you are flat out lieing or are just mistaken you might want to go look. Explain the weird inertia? How would that lynch have been different if it was town/town? Also how is my play different? Stop calling me scum for things and not explaining them Can you respond to this please DP you can call me bad or whatever but please don't ignore me when you are trying to lynch me. | ||
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On January 27 2015 15:18 rsoultin wrote: Not really. He's basing it on meta. I didn't see anything that jumped out at me as scummy per se when I went through his filter for Day 3. The reasoning I didn't always agree with but I could follow his train of thought? I don't know if Damdred's meta read should apply so strongly between a forum with 10 page games and a forum like this, though. The strength of his surety is a bit weird. Do you think damdred/DP is a likely team? | ||
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Geript pointed out that it was weird you were not around when you were around before that is when the lynch was happening. Regardless that phone thing is some bullshit. You said your phone died. That looked really unlikely, then you made up some story about your phone overheating and suddenly draining all the battery, something I have never ever in my life heard of. So yeah you not being around at lynches and mysteriously disappearing is scummy. Doesn't make sense for mafia to try and switch the lynch off an easy mislynch like LM, there seemed to be ALOT of resistance to lynching you instead of LM even if some of it was passive resistance indicating scum had a vested interest in ensuring the lynch of someone which is reflected in the votes. If town/town scum are 1000% more likely to just afk their vote on LM because it doesn't give any info to the town. There was no reason for damdred or geript to move lynches as scum. If the vote was town/town I would expect there to have been a more one sided vote count or many votes spread around. On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote: Also how is my play different? Different tone, hard buddying Rso, more invested than previously, Soft pushing me without ever calling me out. Not really pushing a scum read at all, rather pushing a no lynch despite really thinking through what is happening in the game. On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote: Stop calling me scum for things and not explaining them I explained my read on you in my case on you. Also due to POE it is unlikely you are not in one of my two scum teams which are: Breshke - Rso Breske - Shining. Also you and Rso keep trying to chainsaw defend one another which makes things pretty obvious. Like you are outing yourselves this mylo badly. There something weird going on with he formatting so i put the post im replying to in a spoiler tag. I last posted like voer 12 hours before the lynch. What as scum do i gain as being "pretending" to be afk as people start switching agons off LM onto me mostly because i wasn't around at the time. I don't think geript switches to me there if i was around and posting being active.Also EoD one what do i gain "pretending" my phone died. Why don't i just switch to WW like everyone else. Don't even try argue that i was trying to lynch a claimed blue role because thats complete bull. SO HOW IS IT SCUMMY THAT I WASNT AROUND? Why doesn't it make sense for scum to move the lynch of LM like you say he was an easy misslynch target. I flip town then people start going on him again especially considering he was coming around to e being town yet still voted for me .Who passively resisted the switch on to me? Jar jar is town, RSo straight up said she wasn't switching so you could only be refering to the shining so why don't you just say the shining? Why is there no reason damdred and geript move their votes as scum? It obviously makes you think they are town AND THEY STILL LYNCH A TOWN. I dont ever really push you as scum and i havn't really pushed anyone this day. My PoE leaves me with you damdred and shining. I'm at the stage where i still want to lynch every one of you three which is shit because one of you is town. | ||
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On January 27 2015 16:58 rsoultin wrote: Bresh, this bugged me about you the first time I saw it, too: Why of all things in the entire game when you first came in did you pick out me pushing Trfel? It's not so much that you shouldn't have cause it was very noticeable, but you didn't actually comment on or notice anything else until you came back a great while later. Because i have been coached by and shadowed GB as i know trefel has. That "start off with a dumb post" thing is something GB likes to do to get discussion going. I didn't think trefel as new scum would change his play because that is like the oppisite of what youu want to do as scum obviously you want to mirror your town game. I don't know why i didn't comment on anything else but im fairly shit at Day 1's | ||
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DP keeps calling me mafia for bad reasons that are especially bad since im town and i havn't really seen him consider otherwise. So that makes me think it is probably DP/damdred or maybe DP/shining. I wish shining was around at EoD because i probably would have been dead and LM could have probably convinced people today. ##Unvote ##Vote: DP | ||
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Also i think the no lynch makes more sense if you are a newbie. I can't speak for rsoultin but im not very confident in my reads a lot of the time so while im town reading geript it is still possible that he is mafia and i can just stop worrying about that world if we sleep and he dies. | ||
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So about your shining tr from his most recent post (im on phone so im not going back to look at it before i write this) but is it right you townread him for posting? if so why would he not post as mafia so he doesnt get modkilled?? Also i would really apreciate if you could explain why you think im scum. I also find you being defeated suprusing since YOU are the one who has tunneld on me all of this phase and seemingly npt even considerd if his townreads are wrong | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:31 Damdred wrote: No lynching is dumb for the record and always will be my opinion in this type of setup with so many question marks Do you mean question marks as in people? isnt that why you no lynch? to remove a questionmark | ||
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An unvote followed by a revote a short time later means nothing to me really at this stage of the game. That isnt reconsidering your townreads. You also ignored my questions about your the shining read | ||
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On January 28 2015 05:05 geript wrote: Literally no one has said you're mafia for not being around at EoD. Like that's one of the dumbest reasons to call someone mafia ever when you factor in time zones. DP has What are the other arguments against me then | ||
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On January 28 2015 05:16 geript wrote: DP and Damdred are town and it's hard to see you not in a scum team. I'm going to tell you you are wrong. Like i could be the biggest donkey and RSo could be mafia but i really don't think that is the case. Meanwhile damdred was complaining noone wanted to interact with him and i tried yet he ignores all my questions. I went back and read his most recent shining post and i was wrong in how i interpreted it but damdred didnt even bother to tell me that he was just happy to let me read it the wrong way. | ||
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On January 28 2015 05:44 DarthPunk wrote: This is literally not true. It was one small point of many larger points. I was not saying it is the only point i was saying it is a point that makes no sense and was asking for others. | ||
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On January 28 2015 05:48 DarthPunk wrote: Like I have explained to you countless times why I thiought you were scum and wanted to lynch you. COUNTLESS times. Are you just not reading the thread or do you hope to achieve something with mindless repetitive questions. Yeah i know the reasons but "weird lynch intertia" is dumb. Because you say why would scum not want the easy LM misslynch to go through and id just reply back with more speculation that its so they can push his misslynch the next day. How can i argue i dont have a different tone when that's just someones opinion and of course im going to be invested into the game when im getting fucking lynched in mylo. I won't be switching to RSo and if im wrong flame me in post game but i cant flip on that. IDK if i would even vote shining tbh but i can see you guys know you have the numbers without me anyway. | ||
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On January 28 2015 06:03 DarthPunk wrote: I doubt LM would be lynched today even in the hypothetical world you are town because he looked to townie. You could have pushed a case on your top town read and tried to convince people. Instead you hard buddied RSO shit posted and tried to no lynch when you should have been solving the game through POE as town. You literally started being invested in not dying and only when you were gonna die. Explain how damdred and I make sense as a scum team? I tried to lynch him multiple times, all that shit between us with him not reading my filter do you think that was fake too? I did have a PoE obviously its you damdred and shining. I didnt hard buddy RSo i townread her even more than i town read geript. Meanwhile damdred is flipping his reads for shittier reasons and noone else except RSo seems to have a problem with it. I didn't push a scum read because i couldn't pick the town between the three of you. Damdred and shining make the most sense especially considering his reluctance to lynch him and then not counting him in his PoE when he first did it. But then you still look scummy to me so i had no fucking idea. If you are going to call mine and RSo's interactions in the thread planned out in the scum qt i don't think its a stretch to call that interaction fake. | ||
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On January 28 2015 06:28 Damdred wrote: You hard buried RS. You said this guy is 100% town, then chainsaw defended anyone who came near her. Its mylo I stated some scenerios doesn't mean reads flip on nothing. Honestly geript could be scum bbut he's doing things not trying to survive yeah because i really think she is town and it is my strongest read | ||
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On January 28 2015 06:38 DarthPunk wrote: No. You and RSO are almost certainly mafia together. lol. I know you think im bad and i am bad but why would RSo defend me if we were partners. It is seriously only going to make us lose. If we were scum do you really think we think so high of ourselves that we could convince one of you to vote someone that isn't us. I am a very pessimistic player especially as mafia, go and read any of my 2 scum qt's. I would of told RSo to bus me so she would at least have a chance in final three. | ||
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On January 28 2015 06:52 DarthPunk wrote: What? What if it is breshke shining? lol you were so confident in me and rsoul though | ||
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Im considering unvoting just because even if the shining wants to lynch damdred now it doesnt mean shit and it means mafia cant drop the hammer on a possible town damdred does this make sense. I THINK RSOUL IS TOWN THOUGH | ||
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On January 28 2015 07:05 DarthPunk wrote: No you were right. I was surprised anyone caught on to that honestly. Urgh i need to push stuff harder. Honestly i want to apologize to town mostly geript damdred and RSo i could have played much better | ||
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Rso i actually feel really bad like my bad play got latched onto you because we both town'd each other haha | ||
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