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On March 07 2015 12:05 captain fail wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote: Here is where I'm at right now, in order:
Yamato Rayn Kelsier Torment Soren Captain Fail VE your mom Mocsta Robik Holyflate Also why do you not have ocsta red on this list when you just called him mafia a page or two ago?
I said he COULD be Mafia. Then I realised that my argument was weaker than I thought. I've written it here once
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On March 07 2015 12:07 captain fail wrote: Actually i'm taking back that you are probable town at this point now. After rereading some of the things you said.
Why did you make the point about VE saying MM is dripping scum but shifts to you effortlessly but you have him above Your mom mocsta and the like and you never really bring any conclussions of that just kind of throw it out there.
Why is your mom so far down your list at this point when he was clearely going against one of your top scum reads in Robik?
You were going hard against soren why is he so far up the list now?
Why Kel so high?
Like your list doesn't make sense at all to me?
It doesn't matter who my reads are going against unless I have a flip. Bus is always a possibility. I evaluate the overall gameplay of a single player.
I don't bring conclusions on VE because I always hate his gameplay and call him Mafia for that and I think I should give more time to him to step up
Mom is far down because his gameplay sounds fishy to me. That said, I have to evaluate him better nonetheless. I'm not worried about it yet
I've never went hard on Soren. I saw things that makes him town and things that makes him scum. This makes me feel he is more null than anything else. I have to evaluate him better too, and I'll do once he is back to the thread
Kel is high because he was spot on when he said VE already played with me and shouldn't be scumreading me for the reasons HF brought. Also, Mafia!Kelsier has no reason to defend a lynch on me to go against one of the most vocal/power player like VE is.
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On March 07 2015 12:23 captain fail wrote: Actually it foes matter since your mom said he's shooting robik lol, day one bus usually seldom happen in that form perhaps but I digress on that point.
you always call hf mafia as well sometimes you are right sometimes not, you also call damdred and robik mafia s ton. But now someone else in the same category you want to give more time to? When you just made this case ok hf when he's guilty of the same thing as ve by your standards.
Your big yelling and anger fit at the start of the game is going hard...idk what else to say about that.
Your last point id laughable as mafia can easily defend a player for that exact reason and not blink.
Honestly this list is horrible and bad reasons, you fall back to scum
I've never being able to read VE properly and he hasn't played much with me and he hasn't touched the topic of 180 reads flip with me. I'm not comfortable with reading VE that way.
Mafia can easily defend a player to get town cred, yes. Will them do that when there is a free lynch going on? Could be, but less probable. Will a Mafia defend a free mislynch then go against of one of the most vocal and strong players in the thread, one that is somewhat emotional, and that never got suspicion thrown at? Way less probable.
Damdy, pls.
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On March 06 2015 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 09:49 Soren333 wrote:On March 06 2015 09:46 GlowingBear wrote:On March 06 2015 09:42 Soren333 wrote:On March 06 2015 08:37 _Tormented_ wrote:On March 06 2015 08:03 Soren333 wrote:On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote: O hai! I'm mafia! I don't like this at all. Why did you write mafia in green? Did you you vote him for this reason alone? o.O Isn't day 1 just RVS anyways where votes don't have a strong conviction to back it up? Or do you guys treat day 1 lynching differently here in TL? Hm. This is bad. Why voting me at all in the first place? You're also showing you have some knowledge in Mafia, which contradicts the "I am newbie" statement I voted you because I didn't like how you claim to be mafia. Joking or not it causes confusions. If we take it as a joke, you're left of the hook. Either way I don't like it. And all I said was that I am new to the site. I never said that I was new to mafia. This is bullshit It's a standard opening. You can simply call it null indicative. It makes no sense to like HF's entrance claiming town and don't like my entrance saying I'm Mafia. Like, the game isn't that simple.
Pls point out the yelling part.
There isn't even an exclamation point in the whole post.
Answer me: is HF town?
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On March 07 2015 19:33 Holyflare wrote: Gb I'm voting for your main scum read and you didn't even ask me why yet you still think I'm calling you mafia. I made that case on you to start discussion and it worked and I wasn't really scum reading you. Your reads are bad though.
This crossed my mind, HF. You know why this can't be true? Because you focused on getting me voted instead of actually inquire other people so you could get information.
I will bold this now:
I don't care who my scumreads are voting day1 because I won't make any kind of association before a flip
Thank you
And captain fail, come on, your posting style is exactly like Damdred's and few people played so much with me that they know I went against Robik, Damdred and HF at least once.
@HF
You're voting Robik without having any kind of interaction with him. Why are you voting him? Which of my reads are bad? What are your reads atm?
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On March 06 2015 18:04 Holyflare wrote: you guys can hate on the read all you want but i'll stick to it and dig up more later, mark my words!
Doesn't sound like a mock case.
I've re read your filter. It's find to do a mock case and get discussion going. The main problem here is: you had a mock case but all you did for more than 24 hours is pushing this mock case of yours.
I know how you play HF. And when you play as town you are aware of the whole game. You see a suspicious thing and point it out, you'll say how faulty a logic is. This time, you mainly ignore the rest of the thread (pushed me without giving thoughts on the reasons I've brought on Robik/does not have an opinion on Rayn until now/does not comment on Rayn's case on Kelsier) just to push a case that you truly don't agree.
Answer me this: did you think I was town at the moment you made the case? What do you think of Rayn? Why would my mom be higher in my list?
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On March 07 2015 22:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 20:00 Holyflare wrote: All i know about tormented is that he knows kelsier/gb were wagons but town reads gb and doesn't scum read kelsier. Literally don't knkw anything about what he thinks This should send off the biggest alarm bells in the game.
Although this is true.
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On March 07 2015 19:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Oh the hungover is real.. There is pretty much no chance gb is scum here..
Who is, then? Kelsier does not look scummy for the reasons you've brought
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Boring game.
Tormented, any reads? Soren, updated reads please
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On March 07 2015 23:27 Holyflare wrote: Grats gb you quoted the second most sarcastic post in my filter and took it seriously. The first being how you are 100% 3x mafia based on 20 minutes of gameplay. I just haven't been here to play but, again because you aren't listening, that doesn't make me mafia.
I also commented on rayns case on kelsier what the hell are you talking about??? I came to a conclusion before you even did. Who isn't reading the game now???????
Dude, all you have said about that case was that Kelsier could be saying VE could be ass kissing without implying that Rayn was scum/town.
What about him defending me? What about him town reading you and scumreading VE? What about the conclusion you take from Rayn's behaviour?
Can you answer the other questions I've made, also?
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On March 07 2015 23:53 Holyflare wrote: I mean if you cant piece together how i say kelsier should be null in your list and rayn shouldn't be high up either and extrapolate that that situation meant nothing then i don't really want to talk about it.
I'll take a step back and work under the hypothesis I'm being tunnelled. You can come clear and say why you think Rayn isn't that cool (showing me one of his posts for example). I have no obligation to tell YOU how YOU read people.
Is it really that hard to tell me when did you started believing I'm town?
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On March 08 2015 00:00 your mom wrote:Actually played some other game with friends instead of rereading the whole game, but while doing that at least for D1 start and Soren's filter I got a new impression of Soren, a mafiaish one I didn't notice at first read of D1 start. Anyway I'm not willing to give him a newbie BotD for the stuff to follow. I'll try to make the case nice and formatted so you don't have to read everything, or everything at once to be convinced. # Series 1+ Show Spoiler +On March 06 2015 08:02 Soren333 wrote:Interesting. On March 06 2015 08:03 Soren333 wrote:I don't like this at all. Why did you write mafia in green? On March 06 2015 08:09 Soren333 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 08:03 GlowingBear wrote:On March 06 2015 08:02 Soren333 wrote:On March 06 2015 08:00 Holyflare wrote: still townnnn Interesting. ^ not interesting Why do you find it uninteresting? ------- So I got a flood control warning from posting this. Am I going to have to deal with this throughout the entire game when I have something to say.... On March 06 2015 08:11 Soren333 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 08:03 captain fail wrote: Why is that interesting.
Will you join me on this hf attack force It's interesting because I feel inclined to believe but at the same time I have no rational basis to believe him. What is your intent behind the holy fare attack task force? So this series of posts gives me the feels that he's trying to make his posts appear more important than they actually are. - Him finding HF's post interesting is one example of that, but has no influence on his reads.
- Him not liking GB writing that suggests he finds it dramatic, but it really isn't. He doesn't scumread GB at all afterwards.
- Glowingbear makes a cool move in this regard and doesn't go into that comment about himself, instead challenges Soren on his HF post. All Soren thinks of is to ask him "why", even though he just claimed to not like his post. So pretty underwhelming post in the moment he has the chance to interact more with his suspect. Instead he takes a passive, defensive stance and limits himself to a question.
- When CF asks him why it's interesting, he gives somewhat a satisfying answer at glance, so I'll just conclude that HF sits null. But that kinda makes the whole interesting thing uninteresting, so I have to guess that he just posted it for the sake of posting something and make it appear important in a stage where everyone else was waaaay less serious. Also he sees the vote on HF excessively serious, which is mafiaish on page 1.
# Series 2+ Show Spoiler +On March 06 2015 08:17 Soren333 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 08:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you believe Holyflare is town or still town? Well Im new to this site so I don't know what the mafia culture is around here nor do I know anyone's playstyle. But I don't think a mafia would be putting so much spotlight on themselves by saying that they're town. Or maybe he didn't expect that much spotlight to be placed on him. On the other hand, as someone pointed out. The excessive n's suggests either a forceful pursuit of getting people to believe, or maybe it's because he's excited about the game and got an power role. Or maybe it something else that I haven't thought of. Or, maybe im just reading too much into it. On March 06 2015 08:21 Soren333 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 08:08 GlowingBear wrote:On March 06 2015 08:07 captain fail wrote: Glowing bear what do you think of soren voting you actually I find it cute Is he a smurf? Not a smurf. And what do you mean by you find it cute? On March 06 2015 08:22 Soren333 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 08:13 captain fail wrote: Hf is arguably the best player in thread and loves the attention an attack gives. We must vet him
However sirens response is bad What's holy fare's meta like? I'm not a siren. And why do you find my response bad? On March 06 2015 09:40 Soren333 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Soren what's your actual intention behind the posts you have made? I mean the posts from "interesting" to the post where you say you have no idea what Holyflare's alignment is? I'm just commenting on things by inputting my thoughts. - The first thing I think of when he says that "mafia wouldn't put so much spotlight on them" is him saying he doesn't like GB for saying he's mafia. Of the two between HF and GB, who do you think attempted harder to put the spotlight onto himself? Right. And who gets scum- and who gets townread? Right. In the later part of his post he focuses on the amount of n's and then invalidates his own reasoning by saying he might be reading too much into it. So that's sort of wishy washy and the n's are absolutely irrelevant.
- GB pokes at him saying he finds him cute. Again just a passive response to the guy he claimed to not like, and who has challenged him twice already.
- He asks a rather pointless question about HF's meta, although this is my opinion. It just fits into the general feeling that this guy doesn't manage to pay attention to the "right" things. Again he replies in a defensive way after being asked something.
- Rayn asks him a good question, gets answered with some generic stuff
Tone readish I would say that this guy is stiff as a broomstick and never lashes out at people. And when people he should be lashing out to lash out at him, he takes on a defensive stance. Enough tryharding for now. I think the next posts are how he complains about thread size, talks about mechanics. GB pokes at him again and gets another defensive response etc. Read my stuff then read him, it's not really much to read. If it doesn't convince you I'll go on with my impressions. If he's newb, he's mafia newb and not town newb in my opinion.
10/10
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Mom, can you tell me what you think of HF? Specially on the points I've brought?
Can I also go with my friends to a part... ehm, park?
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On March 08 2015 00:33 Mocsta wrote: 10/10?
you're a dumb fuck.. albeit town one.
wtf am i missing here?
You're missing the double standards.
You're missing a guy seeing two exact same behaviours but evaluating them differently to fit his agenda.
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On March 08 2015 00:39 your mom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2015 00:34 GlowingBear wrote: Mom, can you tell me what you think of HF? Specially on the points I've brought?
Can I also go with my friends to a part... ehm, park? HF is one of the guys I almost never town or scumread at D1. If he's town he will likely get killed in the first two nights, if he's still alive after that then you should start considering him as possible mafia. I found his mafia play to be fairly similar to his town play, there's a tell I use to fully decide what he is which I'm holding back cause it's too early. Whatever happens I'm not even considering him for lynch on D1.
In that case, please read my case and confront my arguments only, without considering it is against Holyflare
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On March 08 2015 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2015 00:50 your mom wrote:On March 08 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2015 00:47 your mom wrote:On March 08 2015 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Soren has a pretty big towntell in voting for gb at the start of the game. Regardless of what he gives as reasoning i don't see noob/experienced doing that given he is new to this site. The last sentence I don't understand. Most people so far have adapted to what happened in the thread and switch their votes accordingly, just Soren was the first to vote and never change his opinion when stuff was going on. I don't see why I should townread him for being the first guy in the voting thread when that's the only thing he has done in there. As per his narrative he stated he has no clue how d1's plays out here so i don't think that's scummy. As per his narrative this isn't his first game of mafia? He said specifically he's new to the site, and every game of mafia has a D1. Yes and in his world (yes this is alsotrue for like every site other than TL) D1is RVS and no info can be gathered no possibility of lynching scum.
Which means votes on day1 aren't alignment indicative in his POV so you saying it is a town tell is absurd
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On March 08 2015 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2015 00:56 GlowingBear wrote:On March 08 2015 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2015 00:50 your mom wrote:On March 08 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2015 00:47 your mom wrote:On March 08 2015 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Soren has a pretty big towntell in voting for gb at the start of the game. Regardless of what he gives as reasoning i don't see noob/experienced doing that given he is new to this site. The last sentence I don't understand. Most people so far have adapted to what happened in the thread and switch their votes accordingly, just Soren was the first to vote and never change his opinion when stuff was going on. I don't see why I should townread him for being the first guy in the voting thread when that's the only thing he has done in there. As per his narrative he stated he has no clue how d1's plays out here so i don't think that's scummy. As per his narrative this isn't his first game of mafia? He said specifically he's new to the site, and every game of mafia has a D1. Yes and in his world (yes this is alsotrue for like every site other than TL) D1is RVS and no info can be gathered no possibility of lynching scum. Which means votes on day1 aren't alignment indicative in his POV so you saying it is a town tell is absurd I am saying it's far more likely he is town because as mafia you don't wanna get lynched. If he was mafia i would think he would try to adapt to the playstyle here to please people -- to not get lynched. Like everyone knows that is a basic of playing mafia as scum. You try to say thing that people see townie, right? My interpretation of his play is he has no clue what to do and he is not trying to fake anything. Therefore town.
I understand what you're saying and that is what was holding me from calling him Mafia straight away. But Rayn, I can see it from a town perspective too. If I'm new to a website I would keep quiet to adapt to people's gameplay regardless of alignment. Which makes this argument of yours plausible, but not bulletproof
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What I mean is that the double standards are more damning
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On March 08 2015 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course it's not bulletproof. We are dealing with probabilities anyways. I think it's more likely that i am right. I think i am right on kelsier too. I don't understand why mafia is not piling up on him if he is town. I don't think mocsta is mafia. I dont even remember who the other dude voting for him is/was but i was and am townreading him too.
A RED FLAG HAS BEEN RAISED!
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On March 06 2015 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta:
I'd assume around here is timezonewise your "prime time" for playing mafia. You also like to interact with people in real time rather than reading the thread and then post conclusions/questions. You also like to interact with me.
My problem here with your trolling is that timezonewise NOW is your chance to do that, with me. I can't really understand why would you decide not to do that as town here...
What changed?
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