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I'm mafia! | ||
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^ not interesting | ||
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On March 06 2015 08:03 Soren333 wrote: I don't like this at all. Why did you write mafia in green? Because if it was in red I would be hard claiming Mafia | ||
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On March 06 2015 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare is mafia. He wanted too badly to be the first one to post because the first one to post is always confirmed town. In addition to that he used too many n's in his post. It feels really forced and doesn't make any sense. Why type more than you have to? ##vote Holyflare Yeah, letter "n" is the most mafiaish name in the alphabet, indeed. | ||
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On March 06 2015 08:07 captain fail wrote: Glowing bear what do you think of soren voting you actually I find it cute Is he a smurf? | ||
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On March 06 2015 08:09 Soren333 wrote: Why do you find it uninteresting? ------- So I got a flood control warning from posting this. Am I going to have to deal with this throughout the entire game when I have something to say.... I've never faced one. That's weird. Anyway, I can't find it interesting because it is not alignment indicative. It bothers me that you actually found it interesting. It means you were not joking, as I thought you were. Why is it interesting and interesting in which way? | ||
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Because voting me like that means nothing in the first 5 minutes of the game. It actually made me think you were possibly a cute Mafia trying to get town cred for being aggressive | ||
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On March 06 2015 08:23 IAmRobik wrote: You're all boring. I could clear myself pretty easily, but I think it's kinda-bm so I won't. I'm town I have weird sentences structure and sometimes i don't put periods. this is getting long bye. too many games at once. should have subbed out. i guess it could have been worse.......i could have rolled mafia Uh huh Should I already vote you or wait until the next ... Minute? | ||
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Sorry, I was unclear. I think Soren is town for different reasons. Second paragraph was answering his question. | ||
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On March 06 2015 08:28 IAmRobik wrote: You can vote me whenever the fuck you want. Your opinion means shit to me and it's unforunate that I didn't notice that you joined this game because I would have happily relinquished my spot to someone else to suffer through playing with you Uh huh. FF, how much you need to mod kill Robik? I can help you with that. Ask for a replacement, if that is your POV. Or you can stop being a bitch and actually play the game | ||
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Also, damdy, I have no idea why you ready believe I'm mafia | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:31 Holyflare wrote: btw if the smurfs don't reveal themselves we can just auto lynch them Hahaha you sound like you don't know that Damdred is playing the game | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes. It makes every sense for him to -- as town -- call holyflare's post interesting, then when asked about it has no conclusion because that is what the "interesting" means. If he did have a conclusion, he would have said "i think it's scummy" or "i think it's townie" in the first place. It doesn't makes sense as Mafia either. :/ | ||
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Posting style matches completely | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I said it makes sense as town, not as mafia. Oh I thought you were being sarcastic | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:39 Holyflare wrote: if you're talking about captain i though it was slam?? sSon. It's impossible for him to be slam Anyway, does this really matter? | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:38 Holyflare wrote: um he's already used the "i'm new" excuse and tried to call out something as weird/interesting but then only use other peoples reasoning for it as his reason for it being interesting so i don't see where any of you are coming from I coming from the "I can't see Mafia posting fluidly and careless like he is here, specially when he is new" | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:42 Soren333 wrote: Isn't day 1 just RVS anyways where votes don't have a strong conviction to back it up? Or do you guys treat day 1 lynching differently here in TL? Hm. This is bad. Why voting me at all in the first place? You're also showing you have some knowledge in Mafia, which contradicts the "I am newbie" statement | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: It does because if he is Damdred he is mafia. I have no doubt that guy is Damdred. Unless he isn't. Then I have doubts | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:49 Soren333 wrote: I voted you because I didn't like how you claim to be mafia. Joking or not it causes confusions. If we take it as a joke, you're left of the hook. Either way I don't like it. And all I said was that I am new to the site. I never said that I was new to mafia. This is bullshit It's a standard opening. You can simply call it null indicative. It makes no sense to like HF's entrance claiming town and don't like my entrance saying I'm Mafia. Like, the game isn't that simple. | ||
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On March 07 2015 00:05 KelsierSC wrote: Gb is your reason robik a real reason or a Gb reason? The game has more than 12 hours and all that he has done was joking. His reaction to my joke was over the natural, it just sounded like he was trying to deflect any kind of discussion | ||
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On March 07 2015 02:12 Holyflare wrote: I also really don't like that after 14 hours in the game gb returns and only comments on robik who has posted absolutely nothing new! are you Mafia? I haven't read the whole thread after I slept yet. I had a quick skim and went to robik's filter to see if he really kept disinterested. Turns out he is still like that. You don't like that I talk about Robik, but you don't express a single thought on what I've wrote about Robik. Why? | ||
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On March 07 2015 04:16 _Tormented_ wrote: Wow that was a lot.....So basically we are looking at GB and Kelsier mainly? I still read GB as leaning town, although I would be interested see why he thinks Robik is mafia. Robik has done pretty much nothing so far, so unless it is something meta, I would like to see GB's reasons for this. Kelsier seemed a bit overly aggressive in his mafia reads on VE and captain fail. Would drawing that much attention to yourself after coming into the thread late be something mafia would do? Oh, how stupid I am, I thought you were VE. Anyway, here's the thing: Robik is usually a more playful townie. He will be putting his thoughts on the thread and saying what is bad and what isn't. The main factor against him is exactly that he had done nothing so far. In the other hand, he IS following the thread (posting jokes shows he is active). All of his posts are jokes. It's hard to say where he is coming from or what part he is taking in the game. I'm not giving an example off of his filter because it is all jokes. If you don't trust me, go there. One particular post, however, came to my eyes: + Show Spoiler + On March 06 2015 08:28 IAmRobik wrote: You can vote me whenever the fuck you want. Your opinion means shit to me and it's unforunate that I didn't notice that you joined this game because I would have happily relinquished my spot to someone else to suffer through playing with you I would expect bad manner coming from Robik, specially when I am in the spot. The problem is: this was uncalled for. This kind of reaction seems exaggerated. This is why: 1) If he didn't notice I joined the game, he could ask for a replacement. He isn't. 2) He was okay with playing with me most of the times, although he hates me. Also, what a good way to cut any possibilities of interaction between us both. Notice that after this he has been doing NOTHING to discover people's alignment. He says out of nowhere I'm probably town, though. With that post, IMO, he is trying to DEFLECT any possibilities of him giving information to the thread. He has been quiet since the start of the game. He is mostly playing lurking mafia, trying to survive the most he can. Have in mind that last game we played together I correctly read him as mafia, and he was having a similar behaviour. I don't remember the game's name. | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:00 IAmRobik wrote: Cool story GB. Still don't care what your thoughts are on this game or what your read of me is. And will still lynch you this game even though I think you're town As for why I didn't ask for a sub, that's between me and the mod and has to do with respect for the game and respect for the mod and has nothing to do with my alignment. You know this is bullshit because respect is a word you don't fully comprehend, and there is nothing more disrespectful to a host than stay in the game but not playing it/playing against your win con just because you don't like a player, and that's exactly what you're doing. Actually, your post now just reinforces the lurking Mafia POV I've just said | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:05 captain fail wrote: I kind of think mocsta is mafia. He's really jumpy his reads are interesting, rayn mafia noe rayn top town in a very small space. Then hr basically becomes rayns hype man it feels like. Kind of weird. This kind of behaviour is only Mafia indicative when the player follows thread sentiment, which is not the case | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:49 IAmRobik wrote: LIKE HOW CAN YOU POST SHIT LIKE THIS AND EXPECT PEOPLE TO EVER TAKE YOU FUCKING SERIOUSLY. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. I've being right on most of my latest games. So, people are just not seeing what I'm seeing. | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:54 _Tormented_ wrote: Huh? how do those two statements even mesh? One is attacking a faulty logic One is bringing reasons why someone could be Mafia I can agree with someone's opinion on a player being Mafia, but I am not forced to agree with his reasoning | ||
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Not wanting to be lynched relying in a lie. Sounds like which alignment to you? Come on. | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:40 IAmRobik wrote: Not if the role isn't in the game. Then they're not relying on a fake roleclaim to live since they can't point to it and be like "HEY LOOK I'M THIS ROLE" just so someone can point out that role isn't in the game. DUMBDUBMDUMDUBMUDMB You assume he is fucking careful to fucking read that the setup doesn't show a doctor It happened before of a Mafia calling himself Miller when the Miller wasn't self aware Come on. | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:41 _Tormented_ wrote: Ok...so you still think mocsta could be mafia, but you just don't agree with captain fail's logic? Exactly. Have in mind that I'm saying he COULD be Mafia. I don't actually have a read on him. My main scum read is HF. Yes, even more than Robik | ||
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Tell me town motivation, instead. Also, I'm amazed that no one is questioning if Mocsta really softed. Specially you Robik. You called me stupid for my conclusion when the possibly most questionable thing was the assumption Mocsta actually softed. | ||
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On March 07 2015 08:21 Holyflare wrote: doesn't even make sense, especially as you haven't addressed anything I've said and then completely skipped over soren who hasn't really done much today since you left and you yelled at when you should be thinking he was mafia instead instead you went for robik because he was uninterested in solving the game and was afk but somehow you made that read based on the first hour or so of the game???? i'm also voting for robik which you seem to neglect I am positive you're scum. There are things that puts me on a break to think that Robik is a better scumread than you, which I don't want to disclose yet. HF, my read on Robik is on how he perpetuates his gameplay after 24 hours of the game. Saying that my read is based solely on the first hours of the game is a misconception | ||
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On March 07 2015 08:49 Holyflare wrote: Hey mocsta did you soft a role not in the game? Yes/no, end nowhere Silly gb what are you even doing -.- Town perspective: "lol go where did you get this fucking idea?" Mafia partner perspective: "LOL SHUT UP YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID HIS SOFT MEANS NOTHING WTF" | ||
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Mocsta, I'm not making unflipped association, I'm just analysing gameplay and drawing conclusions from it | ||
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On March 07 2015 09:00 Mocsta wrote: Lol.. that's silly glowing It's not associative it's adjusting as per current events U think I'm scum I think hf is scum. He thinks I'm scum U think hf is scum Yes thy has to be evaluated otherwise ya reads are meaningless I think you could be Mafia for that. I realised it is very weak. I think Robik is most likely Mafia I think HF is Mafia As you see, the only guy I am positive is HF | ||
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On March 07 2015 08:59 IAmRobik wrote: GB, please stop posting...for like........98 hours. You can come back after that time. No. You can actually try to play the game and stop being Robik for a moment. It would be good for us and awesome for mankind | ||
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On March 07 2015 09:06 IAmRobik wrote: I am playing. I am telling you you're an idiot, not because I think that in real life, but because i disagree heavily with your posts because they're nonsensical, not alignment indicative and the first role he softed was VT (me) and the second was godfather (forget what he said for this). If you're going to sit herea nd push his lynch becuase of these two factors alone, then you're even more useless than I am and I want to see you out of the game Fuck iOS 8, I've wrote a huge post and I slided my finger to the left and it got out of the reply page. Summarising: I'm not actually pushing a lynch, I am trying to gather information and to understand people's motives, and also gather reactions so I can actually have better reads. Too early to actually push a lynch. | ||
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On March 07 2015 09:08 Holyflare wrote: You have posted 0 reasoning for me being mafia? You've posted a lot of reasons for robik to be mafia and even made it seem like you were sure. I'm somehow your biggest mafia read? Horse shit much? I know it. And I'm saying it repeatedly. It worries me that nobody else is inquiring me that. Let's start like this: why are you reading me as scum? I know the reasons but I want your words here. That's the main reason I'm calling you scum. | ||
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Oh you were voting me for president, then? | ||
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I am trying to gather information when nobody else is. | ||
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On March 07 2015 09:56 Holyflare wrote: Please reread this paragraph and tell me it's a joke? Ok. *reading* Not a joke. Care to elaborate how Robik is doing something and I'm not? | ||
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It IS weird that VE changes his vote to me when he says MM is dripping Mafia. HF's case regarding me is faulty as hell and that's the main reason why he is Mafia. I was waiting to see discussion developing but since not a single soul is willing to play the game actively, I'm gonna drop my case in a moment. Saying VE tried to kiss your ass sounded like he meant "VE is trying to bud Rayn" by calling you town for a post that is null indicative (which I disagree but it doesn't make him Mafia) | ||
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Yamato Rayn Kelsier Torment Soren Captain Fail VE your mom Mocsta Robik Holyflate | ||
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I'd place him like in top of Robik | ||
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He is Mafia because he is scumreading me. No, really. His main reason that why I'm Mafia is that I flipped a read. We've being arguing this through most of our games. I flip reads all the time and all it takes is a weird post. It's NOT a reason to scumread me. He may say that the main problem is that I didn't follow up through. That's bullshit. His first vote was cast on me because he thought my post was an overreaction. Tell me why saying "bullshit" is overreacting. I was in complete tranquility when I wrote that. He then keeps scumreading me and starts making things up. Says I didn't follow it through (come on, I was sleeping and when I came back Robik's disinterest in the thread was much more indicative to me), but pointing out weird fungus IS a way to push further and gather information. Tell me what other reads HF has. None. He accuses me that I'm not following up my posts on Soren. Let me show you how this is double standards: - HF shows he didn't like Soren's opening and find it weird, but when I say it's weird, he defends him like he was town instead of participating into inquiring Soren. This is aggravated because HF SAYS that Soren already used the "I'm newbie excuse", showing a bit of suspicion. But find weird that I say something is bullshit when I say Soren's gameplay is deeper than the expected from a newbie. - HF calls Soren weird more than one time, dislikes the opening but does not push him further (you see, the thing he accuses me). - HF calls me scum and repeatedly keeps pushing a lynch on me, but does NOTHING to further investigate my alignment. When we are together he shows no attempt to further confirm my alignment by his POV. - He sees Robik is doing nothing. Says captain fail is weird for saying HF is town so early, but does NOT, again, push this matter further. - Finally, he told me recently that he wasn't reading me as Mafia. WHAT???? That's it boys. I've being inactive for 12 hours and Holyflare clearly didn't try to solve the game more than calling me scum for a reason he knows that doesn't make me scum. | ||
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On March 07 2015 11:55 VisceraEyes wrote: I just don't think that's doing it for me. MAYBE he's town and thinks you are mafia? Where are you on the likelihood of that scenario? There is no way he thinks I'm Mafia for that and even if it was possible, he didn't try to solve the rest of the game in my absence. What does he think of robik's lurkage? I don't know How does he read captain fail right now? I don't know What he has settled regarding Soren after seeing that there is nothing interesting in HF's opening? I have no idea. | ||
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On March 07 2015 12:05 captain fail wrote: Also why do you not have ocsta red on this list when you just called him mafia a page or two ago? I said he COULD be Mafia. Then I realised that my argument was weaker than I thought. I've written it here once | ||
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On March 07 2015 12:07 captain fail wrote: Actually i'm taking back that you are probable town at this point now. After rereading some of the things you said. Why did you make the point about VE saying MM is dripping scum but shifts to you effortlessly but you have him above Your mom mocsta and the like and you never really bring any conclussions of that just kind of throw it out there. Why is your mom so far down your list at this point when he was clearely going against one of your top scum reads in Robik? You were going hard against soren why is he so far up the list now? Why Kel so high? Like your list doesn't make sense at all to me? It doesn't matter who my reads are going against unless I have a flip. Bus is always a possibility. I evaluate the overall gameplay of a single player. I don't bring conclusions on VE because I always hate his gameplay and call him Mafia for that and I think I should give more time to him to step up Mom is far down because his gameplay sounds fishy to me. That said, I have to evaluate him better nonetheless. I'm not worried about it yet I've never went hard on Soren. I saw things that makes him town and things that makes him scum. This makes me feel he is more null than anything else. I have to evaluate him better too, and I'll do once he is back to the thread Kel is high because he was spot on when he said VE already played with me and shouldn't be scumreading me for the reasons HF brought. Also, Mafia!Kelsier has no reason to defend a lynch on me to go against one of the most vocal/power player like VE is. | ||
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On March 07 2015 12:23 captain fail wrote: Actually it foes matter since your mom said he's shooting robik lol, day one bus usually seldom happen in that form perhaps but I digress on that point. you always call hf mafia as well sometimes you are right sometimes not, you also call damdred and robik mafia s ton. But now someone else in the same category you want to give more time to? When you just made this case ok hf when he's guilty of the same thing as ve by your standards. Your big yelling and anger fit at the start of the game is going hard...idk what else to say about that. Your last point id laughable as mafia can easily defend a player for that exact reason and not blink. Honestly this list is horrible and bad reasons, you fall back to scum I've never being able to read VE properly and he hasn't played much with me and he hasn't touched the topic of 180 reads flip with me. I'm not comfortable with reading VE that way. Mafia can easily defend a player to get town cred, yes. Will them do that when there is a free lynch going on? Could be, but less probable. Will a Mafia defend a free mislynch then go against of one of the most vocal and strong players in the thread, one that is somewhat emotional, and that never got suspicion thrown at? Way less probable. Damdy, pls. | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:54 GlowingBear wrote: This is bullshit It's a standard opening. You can simply call it null indicative. It makes no sense to like HF's entrance claiming town and don't like my entrance saying I'm Mafia. Like, the game isn't that simple. Pls point out the yelling part. There isn't even an exclamation point in the whole post. Answer me: is HF town? | ||
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On March 07 2015 19:33 Holyflare wrote: Gb I'm voting for your main scum read and you didn't even ask me why yet you still think I'm calling you mafia. I made that case on you to start discussion and it worked and I wasn't really scum reading you. Your reads are bad though. This crossed my mind, HF. You know why this can't be true? Because you focused on getting me voted instead of actually inquire other people so you could get information. I will bold this now: I don't care who my scumreads are voting day1 because I won't make any kind of association before a flip Thank you And captain fail, come on, your posting style is exactly like Damdred's and few people played so much with me that they know I went against Robik, Damdred and HF at least once. @HF You're voting Robik without having any kind of interaction with him. Why are you voting him? Which of my reads are bad? What are your reads atm? | ||
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On March 06 2015 18:04 Holyflare wrote: you guys can hate on the read all you want but i'll stick to it and dig up more later, mark my words! Doesn't sound like a mock case. I've re read your filter. It's find to do a mock case and get discussion going. The main problem here is: you had a mock case but all you did for more than 24 hours is pushing this mock case of yours. I know how you play HF. And when you play as town you are aware of the whole game. You see a suspicious thing and point it out, you'll say how faulty a logic is. This time, you mainly ignore the rest of the thread (pushed me without giving thoughts on the reasons I've brought on Robik/does not have an opinion on Rayn until now/does not comment on Rayn's case on Kelsier) just to push a case that you truly don't agree. Answer me this: did you think I was town at the moment you made the case? What do you think of Rayn? Why would my mom be higher in my list? | ||
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On March 07 2015 22:51 Holyflare wrote: This should send off the biggest alarm bells in the game. Although this is true. | ||
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On March 07 2015 19:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh the hungover is real.. There is pretty much no chance gb is scum here.. Who is, then? Kelsier does not look scummy for the reasons you've brought | ||
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Tormented, any reads? Soren, updated reads please | ||
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On March 07 2015 23:27 Holyflare wrote: Grats gb you quoted the second most sarcastic post in my filter and took it seriously. The first being how you are 100% 3x mafia based on 20 minutes of gameplay. I just haven't been here to play but, again because you aren't listening, that doesn't make me mafia. I also commented on rayns case on kelsier what the hell are you talking about??? I came to a conclusion before you even did. Who isn't reading the game now??????? Dude, all you have said about that case was that Kelsier could be saying VE could be ass kissing without implying that Rayn was scum/town. What about him defending me? What about him town reading you and scumreading VE? What about the conclusion you take from Rayn's behaviour? Can you answer the other questions I've made, also? | ||
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On March 07 2015 23:53 Holyflare wrote: I mean if you cant piece together how i say kelsier should be null in your list and rayn shouldn't be high up either and extrapolate that that situation meant nothing then i don't really want to talk about it. I'll take a step back and work under the hypothesis I'm being tunnelled. You can come clear and say why you think Rayn isn't that cool (showing me one of his posts for example). I have no obligation to tell YOU how YOU read people. Is it really that hard to tell me when did you started believing I'm town? | ||
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On March 08 2015 00:00 your mom wrote: Actually played some other game with friends instead of rereading the whole game, but while doing that at least for D1 start and Soren's filter I got a new impression of Soren, a mafiaish one I didn't notice at first read of D1 start. Anyway I'm not willing to give him a newbie BotD for the stuff to follow. I'll try to make the case nice and formatted so you don't have to read everything, or everything at once to be convinced. # Series 1 + Show Spoiler + On March 06 2015 08:03 Soren333 wrote: I don't like this at all. Why did you write mafia in green? On March 06 2015 08:09 Soren333 wrote: Why do you find it uninteresting? ------- So I got a flood control warning from posting this. Am I going to have to deal with this throughout the entire game when I have something to say.... On March 06 2015 08:11 Soren333 wrote: It's interesting because I feel inclined to believe but at the same time I have no rational basis to believe him. What is your intent behind the holy fare attack task force? So this series of posts gives me the feels that he's trying to make his posts appear more important than they actually are.
# Series 2 + Show Spoiler + On March 06 2015 08:17 Soren333 wrote: Well Im new to this site so I don't know what the mafia culture is around here nor do I know anyone's playstyle. But I don't think a mafia would be putting so much spotlight on themselves by saying that they're town. Or maybe he didn't expect that much spotlight to be placed on him. On the other hand, as someone pointed out. The excessive n's suggests either a forceful pursuit of getting people to believe, or maybe it's because he's excited about the game and got an power role. Or maybe it something else that I haven't thought of. Or, maybe im just reading too much into it. On March 06 2015 08:21 Soren333 wrote: Not a smurf. And what do you mean by you find it cute? On March 06 2015 08:22 Soren333 wrote: What's holy fare's meta like? I'm not a siren. And why do you find my response bad? On March 06 2015 09:40 Soren333 wrote: I'm just commenting on things by inputting my thoughts.
Tone readish I would say that this guy is stiff as a broomstick and never lashes out at people. And when people he should be lashing out to lash out at him, he takes on a defensive stance. Enough tryharding for now. I think the next posts are how he complains about thread size, talks about mechanics. GB pokes at him again and gets another defensive response etc. Read my stuff then read him, it's not really much to read. If it doesn't convince you I'll go on with my impressions. If he's newb, he's mafia newb and not town newb in my opinion. 10/10 | ||
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On March 08 2015 00:33 Mocsta wrote: 10/10? you're a dumb fuck.. albeit town one. wtf am i missing here? You're missing the double standards. You're missing a guy seeing two exact same behaviours but evaluating them differently to fit his agenda. | ||
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On March 08 2015 00:39 your mom wrote: HF is one of the guys I almost never town or scumread at D1. If he's town he will likely get killed in the first two nights, if he's still alive after that then you should start considering him as possible mafia. I found his mafia play to be fairly similar to his town play, there's a tell I use to fully decide what he is which I'm holding back cause it's too early. Whatever happens I'm not even considering him for lynch on D1. In that case, please read my case and confront my arguments only, without considering it is against Holyflare | ||
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On March 08 2015 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes and in his world (yes this is alsotrue for like every site other than TL) D1is RVS and no info can be gathered no possibility of lynching scum. Which means votes on day1 aren't alignment indicative in his POV so you saying it is a town tell is absurd | ||
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On March 08 2015 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am saying it's far more likely he is town because as mafia you don't wanna get lynched. If he was mafia i would think he would try to adapt to the playstyle here to please people -- to not get lynched. Like everyone knows that is a basic of playing mafia as scum. You try to say thing that people see townie, right? My interpretation of his play is he has no clue what to do and he is not trying to fake anything. Therefore town. I understand what you're saying and that is what was holding me from calling him Mafia straight away. But Rayn, I can see it from a town perspective too. If I'm new to a website I would keep quiet to adapt to people's gameplay regardless of alignment. Which makes this argument of yours plausible, but not bulletproof | ||
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On March 08 2015 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course it's not bulletproof. We are dealing with probabilities anyways. I think it's more likely that i am right. I think i am right on kelsier too. I don't understand why mafia is not piling up on him if he is town. I don't think mocsta is mafia. I dont even remember who the other dude voting for him is/was but i was and am townreading him too. A RED FLAG HAS BEEN RAISED! | ||
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On March 06 2015 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta: I'd assume around here is timezonewise your "prime time" for playing mafia. You also like to interact with people in real time rather than reading the thread and then post conclusions/questions. You also like to interact with me. My problem here with your trolling is that timezonewise NOW is your chance to do that, with me. I can't really understand why would you decide not to do that as town here... What changed? | ||
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On March 06 2015 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think there is quite a high chance Mocsta is scum aswell. The trolling phase is over already. I mean, it's a 180 flip | ||
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On March 08 2015 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am trying to be more civil and just not yell my way through. I have tried that twice before after doing something really stupid. Every time i do it i get scumread/lynched for it -- and only for it. So fuck you, what am supposed to do? People don't like my aggressive playstyle but if i play like this it doesn't work either -- apparently. While the content is same.... You're supposed to not be so sensitive when people are just asking for clarification. | ||
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On March 08 2015 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Read my filter. Youre being fucking annoying right now and i am soon losing my cool because of it. You say stuff thats really fucking dumb. "I'm reading Mocsta as scum" "I no longer read Mocsta as scum (REASON UNKNOWN)" Just stop being a bitch and help me here? I'm not trying to lynch you, you know? | ||
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On March 08 2015 01:36 your mom wrote: Just trust me when I say that there is a reason rayn is being more careful with his statements. So no red flag for that post. Also sorry if I don't want to consider HF for scum on D1, but that's just a good decision in my opinion, and I see little value in going through a case on somebody I already decided I won't lynch. Sorry bro . But I like that you try to make yourself heard, so there's that. It's just I wanted people's opinion on what I've wrote. I need to know their analysis on my thoughts. But okay. | ||
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On March 08 2015 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: That was when mocsta was not playing. Since he started playing i have agreed on almost all of the things with him. Isn't that fucking obvious why i townread him? Does everything need to be written for you to aknowledge it? Yes, because reading someone town just because he came active and started saying things you agree with is lame. Anyway, if kelsier is not the lynch today, who would you be willing to lynch, Rayn? | ||
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On March 08 2015 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fine. I'll go read your case again and comment on it. But not for an hour or so. Soon to have a beer with a friend. No problem. | ||
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On March 08 2015 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: So i should scumread ppl who agree with me on the people i wanna lynch? Kelsier is the lynch today. I am not going to push anything else. I have already said i also think mm1 is mafia but i am not going to push anything but kelsier. I'm just saying you can simply put the guy under null alignment category, instead of giving him a town pass. Whatever. People I can lynch today: HF Robik MM1 Soren People I may consider lynching today: Captain Fail (uninspiring gameplay) Tormented (lurker policy lynching) Yamato (I thought he is town for gut feeling mostly, now I am reconsidering it because he came to the thread just to say he won't be active - also a lurker policy lynching) Maybs Kelsier (if he doesn't step up, but I would prefer to give him a pass since he had some townie traits in his filter. Also lurker policy lynching) That's it. | ||
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On March 08 2015 02:08 Soren333 wrote: Because there's been a lot of catching up, which I've mostly been skim reading and a lot of town/scum reads that are being thrown around. And I don't know anyone here so I'm still trying to adapt to learning who is in the game, who is doing what and who is saying what. Which is hard to keep track off considering that I am in three other games as well right now. Arggggh Why is that after everything that was said against you, I have a townie feeling when you say things? Argggggh Put Soren on the list of "can consider lynching" please. | ||
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On March 08 2015 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol gb you literally are considring of lynching 80% of the game? Yes In order of preference, of course. I can lunch lurkers easily because Avogadro | ||
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On March 08 2015 02:38 IAmRobik wrote: "I would lynch robik because he's town and i don't know how to play and want to lynch him every game cause i'm really relaly bad" -GB "I would lynch robik because I think mislynching him is fun" -HF "I would lynch robik because i don't like playing with him and sheeping HF is an easy excuse" -yamato Did i get that right? No Robik. I want to lynch you because I think you're mafia. Let me get this straight. I don't like you. I'll never like you. But I decided I respect you, and that's enough for me to play with you. That's enough for me to try being polite with you and not tease you unless you act like a douche. You haven't being acting like a douche lately, so I want to lynch you because you're not playing your usual town game + you haven't contributed with anything after almost 48 hours of game. I will never try to lynch you if I think you are town. Period. | ||
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On March 08 2015 03:25 captain fail wrote: I'm here for a bit, the case on soren is good i'm just not sure if its good because hes mafia or we are just making a newbie play look like mafia. Its really easy to do at this stage of the game. I actually hate your list here GB on people that you would want to lynch, why isn't VE on that list again? I just don't understand what your doing with all of these lists you aren't even really scum reading the lower people it feels like just a lot of policy lynches -_- You know I like to lynch scummy lurkers, damdy. I've clearly stated in the lowest part of the list that they were mostly policy lynches. VE is so uninspiring yet he is VE and he is more of a null than a Mafia, so I would rather let him live until day2. If he is Mafia it will be very clear on late game anyway. Holyflare I described the reasons on Yamato in the list post you read. Tell me a lynch on Robik/mm1 is bad. You're still on the list because you fail to answer my question and because your argument of doing a mock case is shitty if you can't come clear on my doubts. I'll probably not have you lynched today, that's why I made a lynch list so we can consolidate. | ||
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On March 08 2015 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: BlowingGear your case on holyflare is mostly based on him calling you mafia. I qgree with YM tthat's mostly omgus. Also yourbinterpretation of holyflares play is not mafia indicative for him. It's null at worst. HF pushes his cases, regardless of if he is wrong or right. Your conclusion of "hf pushing me when i was not here instead of doing anything else" is quite terrible tbh. The problem here is not pushing a case. Is pushing a mock case instead of figuring out the rest of the game while he can't gather more informatin from me because I was absent. It caused a lot of discussion on a player he didn't think was Mafia aka wasting thread time. Tell me what he gathered with the mock case. Answer: nothing. Anyway, since two people out of my lynch list is pointing out I'm tunnelled, I'm taking a step back. Discussing a HF lynch now is useless. Let's focus on consolidate wagons. | ||
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On March 08 2015 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pushing a cade is pushing a case. Regardldess of if you are here or not. It does never make holyflare mafia. He did not call yiu scum for not being here. He was trying to convince prople to lynch you. There is a difference between those things. Tell me what are his reads then. Do you have any idea? Ok, Robik is Mafia. A rehash of what I've being saying for a long time. But what else? Give me another lynch candidate. Tell me if you could lynch Robik or MM1. I don't feel like lynching Kelsier today. | ||
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On March 08 2015 04:02 IAmRobik wrote: Yeah, but if you think i'm mafia and you're town then the first statement is true. you fucking suck dick at this game Cool. Do something. Kthxbai | ||
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On March 08 2015 04:07 IAmRobik wrote: I didn't read any of it and I still know that what he cut out wasn't useless because it came from a 2 brain-celled twit who doesn't know how to play the game and doesn't know how to tell if someone is mafia or town. So basically if all of your posts were ignored and you just killed yourself in the game we would be in a much better position cause there would be less posts showing incorrect and severely unintelligent thought process Awesome We may need more Robiks then. You know, to sign up, contribute with nothing and just to post 5 years old with parents issues' attempts of insult. What a complete Mafia game we would have. I'm ignoring you now. | ||
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On March 08 2015 04:09 Holyflare wrote: No I'm not gb I'm your top scum read and you don't want to discuss lynching me. I told you how YOUR list should look so that's pretty much MY reads. At least read your scum read if you are going to play this game. Uh huh. I've read your whole filter. You refuse to answer me directly. Why wasting so much time saying I should try to understand your motives instead of you simply clarify them? Anyway, I'm voting Robik, I don't care. He is Mafia. Bye. | ||
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On March 08 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote: You can't get a clearer picture than this. Ok you're right. I'm sorry. When did you decide I'm town? | ||
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On March 08 2015 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont like how gb "cares about the lynch" and then leaves his vote on robert who is never gonna get lynched this day.. He is the second wagon and there is no reason to keep him alive | ||
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On March 08 2015 04:28 Holyflare wrote: When you decided to elaborate on reads. Even if the case was fake you still could have been mafia which is why case was so easy to push. Ok | ||
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On March 08 2015 04:37 Holyflare wrote: Which again would be classic gb. I'm not that old to have a "classic" play style lol | ||
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On March 08 2015 04:49 your mom wrote: The way you put it, it's like you're a victim with no fault for what is happening to him. But you had plenty of time to do something, none of the voters decided to vote for you from the start, it's just a consequence of seeing you doing nothing, and while that's something other people (Soren, MM) are also guilty of, for you it's aggravating that you're a regular player with the potential to lynch scum. Not to say that I repeatedly said he wasn't my main lynch target. Whatever. | ||
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On March 08 2015 05:58 captain fail wrote: GB why aren't you pushing for my lynch? Because I have enough information to deal with you later. I'd rather lynch scummy lurkers | ||
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On March 08 2015 06:04 captain fail wrote: Robik wasn't a scummy lurker, robik is more than likely flipping town. You lynch the scum in front of you not the one down the road. If you think i'm scum, why am I so far down your list? Because you have a shot on being town so I have preferred targets before you. Also I have informatin from you that I can work with later days. I don't have information on the scummy lurkers. Robik looked scummy to me, then he went to complete anti town. You know why he got mod killed? Because that way he will be banned but not lynched day1. He preferred to be mod killed than to actually play the game. I have no regrets | ||
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On March 08 2015 06:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote: soren whats your top 3 anime? Can we please lynch this guy? | ||
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On March 08 2015 06:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote: hey glowing bear, you think that ve and I are both scum, do you think our earlier interaction was scum: scum, town:town, or scum:town? You called him out for easily switching his vote, but in the games that I've played with VE he's done that exact same play and turned out town. I didn't like the push on robik and he blew it out of proportion but w/e. Mocsta I'm not a fan of and I don't see where all this rayne loving is coming from and I'm not a fan of soren. He's posted a bit and none of it has meant anything which is different then me not posting at all. I say VE is null. The interaction can come from any of those hypothesis, specially when he quickly retracted his vote on you to vote me and did nothing against you again | ||
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On March 08 2015 06:24 MysteryMeat1 wrote: This and the follow up post where he wants to lynch me. Why wouldn't your preferred lynch be soren? As far as I can tell he hasn't contributed anything to the game except telling people he's catching up on the thread. Plus Soren votes for GB. Mafia want people to think they are contributing without actually contributing. I'm giving him leeway because he is newbie. But yes, he is scummier than you... | ||
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GAIS I FAUND D MAZONS LOLOLOLOL | ||
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Torment isn't even voting, HF. | ||
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SO MANY SCUMMY LURKERS | ||
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I'm voting Kelsier | ||
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ARGH CAN TOWNIES PLACE THEIR VOTES PLEASE? | ||
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On March 08 2015 06:46 captain fail wrote: GB whats your updated list of scum currently? I don't know man. I'm about to flip all of my reads. I'm in doubt regarding HF, VE's disinterest is bothering me, your lack of stance is making you look scummier, the lack of your moms presence in deadline is bothering me, Rayn's push on Kelsier without reevaluating is starting to look fishy, Yamato wtf, aaaaaargh | ||
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Why? | ||
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On March 08 2015 06:54 captain fail wrote: Because YM is town, I have a clear stance You are now voting for your least preferred lynch over the secondary wagon at this time in Soren or tormented who are both above him why I know aaaaargh | ||
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They are both newbies. | ||
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On March 08 2015 07:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't understand why GB says I'm disinterested, I'm plenty interested. I just don't necessarily feel inclined to alter the direction of the thread as the person I'd like to see lynched is being lynched. What's the issue? VE, I have no idea what your reads are and you're voting Kelsier with Rayn when Rayn's argument was already debunked. If you're not disinterested than you're mafia. | ||
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On March 08 2015 07:11 VisceraEyes wrote: See but this is wrong. I'm interested and I'm town. And you do know my reads, they're explicit in the thread. So that's wrong too. I think you just WANT to read me mafia. Why do you want to read me mafia? I do not want to read you as Mafia. I want to know your alignment. And you're not helping me. Why would I ever WANT to read you as Mafia? See, all I know from you is that you think Rayn is town for one single post, that MM1 was dripping scum but easily changed your vote because of a mock case holyflare made on me (by the way, it is weird that he isn't on your skin for that), then you sheeped Rayn for a faulty case he has made on Kelsier and did not try AT ALL to reevaluate that. You can understand why I find this AT LEAST suspicious, right? | ||
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On March 08 2015 07:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Voting for Kels though, like the only reason you didn't is because he's modkill bait or something, at least that's what I can see in the thread. Are you here bro? Come talk to me instead of talking shit when you think I'm not around. You're wrong. I decided not to vote Kelsier because he defended me when thread sentiment was against me AND because he went against a strong/vocal player like you, when nobody had you on the line. This makes much more sense through a townie perspective than through a Mafia perspective. It was debunked by me and HF. The thing is that Rayn is not considering that Kelsier, when scumreading you, doesn't have to decide Rayn's alignment when analysing interaction between you two. I am not going to keep my vote on Kelsier. I'm deciding my vote between Soren and Tormented | ||
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On March 08 2015 07:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Nope, town. Your whole case is bad. I have reasoning for thinking yamato is town, I have reasoning for thinking Tormented is town, and I'm voting Kel because he disappeared after his case on me, not because he made a case on me. Nice try though bud. All of your points trashed in one succinct paragraph. Then you have to explain why aren't you voting Tormented or MM1, because they had very similar behaviours. | ||
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On March 08 2015 07:29 captain fail wrote: GB sheep my case, tell me why is VE town reading tormented again? Damdy, I'm sheeping a scummy lurker day1. We have enough information to further evaluate VE's gameplay day2 | ||
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On March 08 2015 07:31 captain fail wrote: Ve willing to vote his townread who he thinks is town for reasons unknown. Scum detected *sigh* | ||
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On March 08 2015 07:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Then vote for me bitch. You think I'm scared to eat a D1 lynch and be called bad? I was bad while you were still in diapers son. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ROFL | ||
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Let's decide between Soren, Tormented, Mocsta and Yamato | ||
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On March 08 2015 07:47 Soren333 wrote: I was thinking KelsierSc because he made cases from trivial posts. Then again, it is day 1 and you've got to start somewhere. So when that wasn't convincing enough for a vote I thought CE was suspicious from that case someone just made. But VE managed to give a satisfying response. So not sure right now. Probably leaningn Kelsier, but he's probably going to get lynched with or without my vote. Ok I've decided You're the lynch I'm sorry if you're town, but you're not taking stances, specially this close to deadline | ||
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On March 08 2015 07:53 your mom wrote: I'm late but caught up. Kelsier still didn't post, nor vote up until now. I'm giving him my vote. WHAAAAAAT? YOU MADE A HUGE CASE ON SOREN WHAT IS GOING ON?? | ||
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On March 08 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote: Soren hasn't given out free town reads or defended gb based on nothing But Soren has been here all day long and only responding when someone brings his name up and you know this is a scummy lurker behaviour | ||
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On March 08 2015 08:05 Holyflare wrote: Your mom is probably mafia for that vote switch Why your mom wouldn't stick to vote for someone he had a case on and guarantee a mislynch if Soren is town instead of bussing his partner? | ||
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On March 08 2015 08:12 Soren333 wrote: So we're allowed to post during the night? Sweet. Who thinks someone buss voted Kelsier? Who thinks all those that Kelsier made a case against are now town? The lack of activity from Kelsier makes me think the bus was planned to give towncred to a Mafia. | ||
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On March 08 2015 08:13 GlowingBear wrote: Why your mom wouldn't stick to vote for someone he had a case on and guarantee a mislynch if Soren is town instead of bussing his partner? This was badly worded. Why would your mom bus a partner when he could have voted for a possible mislynch, using the excuse he was voting for someone he had a huge case on? | ||
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On March 08 2015 08:15 Holyflare wrote: 20 mins before a lynch and everyone afk? Perfect bus opportunity So he gains towncred for hammering Kelsier and can keep Soren alive until day2 for a possible mislynch? | ||
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On March 08 2015 08:25 Holyflare wrote: So what? It's irrelevant, they'd look terrible after kelsier flipped mafia. You're kidding me, right? I'm gonna wait your mom's answer to your suspicion before putting thoughts on this | ||
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On March 08 2015 08:33 VisceraEyes wrote: And MM1 you still look fucking awful - you realize you were pushing a counterwagon to the mafia godfather right? So was I. | ||
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On March 08 2015 08:51 captain fail wrote: Note: If you were voting for Robik, you are now considered not to be voting. KelsierSC (5): Raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, VisceraEyes, Soren333, your mom Torment (1): Holyflare VisceraEyes (1): Captain Fail Soren333 (2): GlowingBear, MysteryMeat1, not voting (3): KelsierSC _Tormented_ yamato77 Currently KelsierSC is set to be lynched with 5 votes Deadline is in 0m 0s. Remember to vote in the voting thread! Why did you move your vote again GB? Obviously can't take much from that I suppose, soren could be mafia here or town however the vote with robik in it is much more interesting. Vote Count: glowingbear (1): Soren333, HolyFlare, VisceraEyes, your mom raynpelikoneet mocsta (0): your mom raynpelikoneet (0): Mocsta mysterymeat (0): visceraeyes VisceraEyes (0): your mom Captain_Fail (0): Mocsta KelsierSC (4): Raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, VisceraEyes, IamRobik iamrobik (4): yamato77, Holyflare, your mom, Glowingbear, your mom Holyflare (0): GlowingBear Soren33 (0): your mom GB was the main push to get more people on robik, and it kinda felt like gb was trying to get rob to modkill himself. Robik probably could of been lynched at this point over kel. Any thoughts? I was pushing Robik even before the wagon on Kelsier started. You saying that it looked like I was trying to have him mod killed is unfair. I even started ignoring him when he got way over himself. On top of that, second wagon would be my GF. I could have my godfather killed. I would be way more of a douche if I really wanted to have him mod killed | ||
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I have woke up and I'll put some thoughts | ||
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Too scum to be scum VE and you Rayn, on the other hand... How could you be so certain Kelsiet would flip Mafia with just one post? | ||
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BEST BLOOPER 2015 | ||
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How did you feel when I called you Damdy right on page 1? | ||
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On March 09 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: You were teasing gb for no reason. Also you called your play scummy. Noone plays scummy in their mind as town. It is a fact. Therefore you are mafia. This is accurate. Please explain yourself damdy | ||
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On March 09 2015 01:12 Damdred wrote: Explain what you know what makes me Scum you know it's me yet you have me on t2 going after mod kill Rob instead. I didn't try to mod kill Robik. This is getting me angry. | ||
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On March 09 2015 01:14 your mom wrote: i like my coffee black, without sugar Ok sir. | ||
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On March 09 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote: Here let me do it for you. Here is the case of why damdred/captain fail is mafia by damdred so please big shoot me. Damdred enters the game and starts to town hint using bad reasoning to call people town or in the case of hf he used non reasons that could,make hf town or mafia. Also his town read on tormented is for shifty reasons at that point calling people town for doing nothing at all. Moving on he's not really putting a ton of his ow thoughts forward a good portion of it could be called following thread sentiment calling soren weird for his initial postings, calling out mocsta out without interacting with him or much followup now calling him town instead of investigating past games to see if he has a history of bussing Later supposed called himself mafia from a guilty conscious called himself,mafia whoops Scum slip, now he's outed and we can call him on it. After robik was mod killed instead of hammering him when he was alive he called him town and looked for another person but after robik died tried to pull votes off the God father. Vig get him. Anyway now that that's out of the way hopefully I get shot and we can move on to other questions so I can be of some use aftertonight Just give us your reads so we can work with it | ||
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On March 09 2015 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then be some use. Glowingbear is not mafia. He was way too unsure on who to lynch eod to be scum. If he was mafia he would have pushed some, and one, town wagon. + Show Spoiler + If you're not Mafia, your game analysis in this thread is impressive IMO | ||
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On March 09 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote: I've given reads that I believe I was inclined to believe your story. I was inclined to believe that you were working under my perspective. But you're not talking like a townie. You're not helping us. You're refusing to give information by refusing giving more reads. You are Mafia, unfortunately. | ||
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On March 09 2015 01:48 Holyflare wrote: Gb so full of crap, he's giving reads? Yeah? GB is Mafia for convoluted reasons? Tormented is Mafia because they played 32 games together yet you tried to start a wagon and he decided he should stay in VE and never commented on Tormented? Same thing about Soren? Do you call these reads? I call then bullshit | ||
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On March 09 2015 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote: This is an extraordinarily good point. If he's so familiar with Tormented's meta, then why didn't he push Tormented yesterday instead of me? Like, he hasn't played 32 games WITH ME I can tell you that for fucking sure, so why was he more sure about me, AND BE WRONG ON TOP OF IT?!?!? This. Also, Tormented is an easy target as he is AFK. I don't think a Mafia would be so careless to not park a vote on a townie. I understand Kelsier didn't vote, but Kelsier is a symptomatic "leaver". Which makes me believe there could be a bus in there. But I'm not going to enter WIFOM territory. | ||
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On March 09 2015 02:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually that raises another point though in his defense - people were talking about lynching Tormented yesterday. IF Dam's mafia and Tormented is town, then why DOESN'T he go after Tormented instead of me? No one was really considering lynching me yesterday, and as evidenced by the lynch, going after VE is bad for your health. :/ Same point could be raised regarding your mom and Soren. | ||
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On March 09 2015 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe, but I'm trying to figure out Damdred right now - and the meta argument doesn't apply, so it's a slightly difference scenario. VE, let's assume Damdred is Mafia and tormented is town. Who's his partner? | ||
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On March 09 2015 02:12 Holyflare wrote: I don't know what you're saying. I was just telling you to stop being a dick because he was actually giving reads and you were saying he isn't. Otherwise how do you even make these conclusions if he isn't giving reads? Vigi is probably shooting him. If he is town, he should come clean with everything he has got from the game, not building a case against himself. Those aren't what I expect from a townie close to be dead. On the other hand I expect Mafia to not talk much so he can deny information that could be used against his team mates. Do you see where I'm coming from now? Also, I can't see where I'm being a dick. If that is so, I'm sorry, wasn't my intention. | ||
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On March 09 2015 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mafia Damdred does never ever heavy townread mafia Tormented at the start of the game. Mafia damdred cannot flip his initial heavy townread on torment when his posting hasn't notably changed during d1. Therefore he can't vote for torment on d1 regardless of what happens. Basically they are never mafia together. Break this down for me please I'm dumb | ||
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Reason: a shot will instantly give a flip. If the vigi correctly guessed a Mafia, cop can out and say Damdred is Mafia and we win. In the other hand, if vigi shoots Damdred, cop will have to rely in getting the right target. If he doesn't and Damdred turns out to be VT, he will have to keep his check to himself. What I'm saying is basically vigi shot is a cop check without a claim. Does it makes sense or I'm being dumb? | ||
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On March 09 2015 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: You end up in a same conclusion anyways if the vigi hits/misses. The worst thing is if there is doubt on who the vigi shoots and the copp and vigi end up on the same target.. Scenario 1 - vigi shoots randomly and cop checks Damdred: 1.1. Random guy flips Mafia. Damdred returns red. GG. 1.2. Random guy flips Mafia. Damdred returns green. No cop claim = we know Damdred is town without a cop claim, therefore, Mafia is somewhere else and we don't waste our breath on Damdred. 1.3. Random guy flips town. Damdred returns red. I can't foresee if the cop would claim here. 1.4. Random guy flips town. Damdred returns green. I can't foresee if the cop would claim. Scenario 2 - vigi shoots Damdred and cop checks random guy. 2.1. Damdred flips red. Random returns red. GG 2.2. Damdred flips red. Random returns green. We don't know who the cop checked therefore we don't have any second confirmation 2.3. Damdred flips green. Random returns red. Can't foresee if cop would claim here. 2.4. Damdred flips green. Random returns red. Can't foresee if and cop would claim here. That's IF vigi shoots tonight. Just have in mind that if you shoot today you have a good chance of killing Mafia AND will be confirmed town day2 by claiming. Unless town defines who the random guy should be. Then vigi can securely hit Damdred and if the cop gets a green check, he doesn't need to claim day2 and we will know who was green checked. | ||
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I could easily see him in a team with holyflare if Damdred isn't mafia | ||
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If he was the Mafia goon, would he bus? Although the bus on the AFK scum is very likely | ||
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On March 09 2015 04:25 Holyflare wrote: this is bs because if damdred isn't mafia (he is) then torment is 1000000% mafia for what i pointed out yesterday and you completely ignored I forget things Refresh my mind Funny thing that you are so sure of Damdred being Mafia but ignoring my point on Soren | ||
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Under this scenario, not likely to be Mafia: VE Rayn Me(?) Holyflare (if they were both Mafia they would stack on tormented) Likely to be Mafia: (?) (help me here) | ||
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On March 09 2015 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: What do you mean by stacking on tormented? They had their godfather being lynched. Why Damdred going against VE and HF going against Tormented? Why splitting their votes? HF could just have sheeped Damdred on VE's meta case | ||
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It's too careless. | ||
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PLEASE BLUES LISTEN TO ME!! Vigi: shoot tormented Cop: check Damdred Tormented is key to understand Holyflare's alignment. He also has a good shot in being Mafia (HF's points on him are actually good). We also won't be able to get much from him since he is AFK. It's better to have him dead and a possible green checked Damdred alive. With Tormented alignment discovered, we can understand more of HF's actions in this game. If he flips Mafia and Damdred returns red (which is very plausible) is insta GG. HF and MM1 are the main question marks in the game (if you do not consider Soren tbh). PLEASE BLUES DO AS I SAY, IT WILL BE JUST A MATTER OF TIME FOR TOWN TO WIN | ||
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On March 09 2015 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shut up we are shooting mm1. It's much better shot. Holyflare can be town and wrong. There is pretty much no world where mm1 isnt mafia. A shot on tormented is way better, you even entered his filter and said he has a good shot on being Mafia | ||
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On March 09 2015 05:48 Holyflare wrote: well i'm still not and it actually hurts my brain at how bad your reads still are after all this time of playing mafia Yeah, I'm used to be called bad. And I'll be called bad forevermore. But your play is too inconsistent. You argue that Tormented is Mafia. He is your final vote. I suggest to kill him and you say NO AND YOU SHIFT TO YAMATO? WHAT THE FUCK. | ||
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On March 09 2015 05:57 Holyflare wrote: do you think i'd be that blatently obvious as mafia gb????????? NO BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE THIS BAD AS TOWN EITHER | ||
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On March 09 2015 05:57 Holyflare wrote: you can shoot tormented i dont care, i never said shoot yamato though You changed subjects for a player that can be dealt in day2 or 3 Yamato is most likely town at this point. He would never put that much thought in a game as scumz | ||
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On March 09 2015 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol did mm1 just claim scum? Where? Can Damdred be scum with HF? I'm not inclined to believe this since Holyflare has been positive on having Damdred killed | ||
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On March 09 2015 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like he says "...i have never rolled mafia before on TL." What the hell is the word "before" doing there if he isn't mafia in this game either? That's just semantics | ||
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Like, you can get the phrase as "I've never rolled Mafia before, it means I'm not Mafia here" It's stupid but... Lol | ||
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On March 09 2015 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jesus hisbreads for not voting for kelsier are bad. I have not played with him. What the fuck? Has he played with soren then? It's Soren's first time here. I highly doubt | ||
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Unfortunately I can't give deeper reads since I'm out of home I think VE is town I think Yamato is townish I think Rayn is townish but some of his opinions changes weirdly, just keep an eye on him. Probably town, though. Damdred is weird and could be Mafia. He has a slight chance of being town. Holyflare is most likely Mafia Tormented too Your mom is weird, people are town reading this guy but I find him odd. Soren is classic lit'll Mafia MM1 is also fishy I have too many suspicions which means I'm wrong on someone, obviously. Associative reads are key to solving the game now. Day1 was pretty informative with pushes and voting dynamics. Use the information you'll get at deadline. It will be way better if my plan is followed. PLEASE BLUES FOLLOW THE PLAN I HAVE WROTE AND YOU WILL HAVE ALL YOU NEED IN YOUR HANDS. | ||
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On March 09 2015 07:05 Holyflare wrote: so what you're telling me is mafia is yamato and is afk and you're all bad? lol. Cop don't out yet. | ||
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Good job skipping the night kill HF. | ||
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Cop check Holyflare at night. I BET he is Mafia. Unless you had a red check on Damdred | ||
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On March 09 2015 07:18 Damdred wrote: What gb? Do you have red check on hf? No. If I write a case of everything that makes HF Mafia, we will have the next Bible | ||
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On March 09 2015 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vigi out if you are one of the following ppl: Mm1 Yamato Otherwise don't bother until lylo or upon being lynched. Rayn I bet HF is the last Mafia. | ||
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I forgot about Mocsta. This changes things lol. | ||
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If the cop isn't outing it's because he got a green check on you. Simply as this. | ||
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Town can vote for a no lynch. ##vote: no lynch Mafia can hold their shot if they so choose From the OP. Now, HF said tormented was Mafia and voted him. Voted with a TIMID PUSH. He didn't actively tried to convince others to lynch him. Then he keeps saying Tormented is probably Mafia. When I say the vigi should shoot him, Holyflare says this: On March 09 2015 05:37 Holyflare wrote: like it's not exactly within the realm of impossible that tormented is town and I'm just wrong when he hasn't posted much Right after, he shifts thread attention to Yamato, in order to convince vigi to shoot him: On March 09 2015 05:43 Holyflare wrote: also i have no idea why you are so sure yamato is town because this is fucking smelly shit most of his filter is him just disagreeing with my fake gb case and him saying he can't read me at all then he returns and just wants to sheep me for what reason? Then he says this LOLOLOLOL On March 09 2015 06:21 Holyflare wrote: i hope tormented is the rber and that way my wagon was the wagon of justice and you're all bad FINALLY, HE BLAMES YAMATO On March 09 2015 07:05 Holyflare wrote: so what you're telling me is mafia is yamato and is afk and you're all bad? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL AND YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE THIS GUY ISN'T THE LAST ONE? LOLOLOLOLOLOL | ||
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TELL ME WHEN A TOWN PLAYER SEES A POSSIBLE VIGI SHOT ON SOMEONE HE HAS READ AS SCUM AND SAYS "NO, SHOOT DAMDRED LOLOLOLOL" SPECIALLY NOW WHEN DAMDRED IS PRATICALLY CONFIRMED TOWN. ARE YOU GUYS NUTS?????? | ||
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BECAUSE I'LL BE 48 HOURS STRAIGHT ON YOUR SKIN UNTIL I GET YOU LYNCHED | ||
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On March 09 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote: I said it's not in the realm of impossible because you tried to relate his alignment to mine like an idiot. Now I've brought up another target that is very likely mafia and your first reaction is that I'm mafia. It doesn't make any sense. Mechanics usually randomise Mafia kp when there is no action taken from scum. Which is another argument that implies scum deliberately skipped night kill. So you can get Yamato and Mocsta dead. | ||
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On March 09 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote: Gb just stfu i asked the cop to check me too. You're conveniently ignoring that fact too. Don't force me into writing the biggest case in my whole life. | ||
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On March 09 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote: Never have i EVER in 30 games of mafia seen a nk randomised when not submitted. I've never seen a scum not submitting a night kill either But I have seen OP's stating they are randomised Of course hosts will not clarify this for us now since this is game changing information. | ||
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As Mocsta voted for Kelsier, I'd rather believe Yamato could be Mafia. You are right, though. Lynching Yamato and checking HF is the best option. Let's do this today. | ||
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I'll write a case on HF and let you think what you want. We have very good information to work out a Mafia team. Bye bye. I'll see you soon. | ||
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On March 09 2015 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was saying i could see MM1 trying to wait Torment to come back at the last hour of the phase before making a decision, then the deadline just fucked up on him . You just said Mafia usually write pre-emptively a name and then discuss a better kill, Rayn. Do you believe this or not? Highly unlikely. I'm not sure where you want to get to. | ||
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6-1 4-1 2-1 LYLO --> this is where we are. 3 mislynches before LYLO. 7-1 5-1 3-1 LYLO --> this is what it should be if a night kill was sent List of inactives: Yamato Mocsta your mom (he was AFK through half of night 1) Soren We lynch the inactives and we lose. Get what I say? | ||
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On March 09 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote: Honestly town lunches into inactives cop,checks hf, then goes from there it's auto win as long as cop lives Why were you asking for a roleblock message? | ||
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On March 09 2015 08:19 your mom wrote: I wasn't really afk, I was only trying to give as few hints as possible as to who I would shoot in order to keep the vig facade alive to get RBd and possibly shot. Wait, you're definetely not the vigi??? | ||
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Were you roleblocked? | ||
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We lynch Holyflare and check Yamato | ||
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On March 09 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: I've explained this three times GB. Why would mafia no shoot and not try to stop the cop or big from Whittling down the Scum team? It would shoe a non inactive Scum team It sounded that you were blue fishing. The only way to know you were roleblocked is to send an action and it not working | ||
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Thank you for not letting me get damdred in a weak but possible trap. | ||
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On March 09 2015 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah but there is zero fucking chance mafia DECIDED to no-shoot... When HF returns red at night, I'll quote this post. I'll clear my head since I'm start getting too much into the wifom and tinfoil theories shit. See you guys tomorrow. | ||
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If we no lynch today, here is the scenario: 9-1 8-1 6-1 4-1 2-1 So, if we keep a person alive today, Mafia NEEDS to kill the cop BEFORE he kills a confirmed town. By now, the cop has a green check on Damdred. If he survives night 2, the worst scenario is that he will get another green check. If the vigi also doesn't die night2, we will have 4 confirmed townies (1 vigi claim, 1 cop claim with 2 green checks) Which means day3, out of 9 players, 4 will be confirmed townies, so we would have a lynch list of five. If we ML, night3, the cop dies, we reach day4 Day4 we will have 7 players in which 3 are confirmed townies. Lynch list of 4. ML, night kill. Day5, 5 players, 2 confirmed, lynch list of three. ML, night kill. Day6 LYLO with 3 players in which one is confirmed townie. Game is 99% unwinnable for mafia | ||
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Just getting Holyflare confirmed town/Mafia on day3 will be auto. | ||
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7-1 8 people, 4 confirmed 6 people, 3 confirmed 4 people, 2 confirmed It can be done with a lynch today too, but we can land the lynch on the cop and we would make him out. We would also narrow targets for Mafia to successfully hit the cop. | ||
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On March 09 2015 09:52 VisceraEyes wrote: You don't hope for scum to concede, you hope to find and lynch him while he still thinks he can win so the victory doesn't feel hollow and meaningless. Jeez GB. I just want to be right on Holyflare faster | ||
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On March 09 2015 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Also it's funny how Holyflare was saying a cop should check him in the night...and then in the day suddenly a cop is retarded for checking him. Hahaha I could make a list on why Holyflare is Mafia, but I don't think I'll be able to upload it without zipping | ||
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On March 09 2015 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: And if you're wrong you'd look SO SILLY. Look bud, Occam's Razor. Holyflare on D1 was pushing a lynch on MAFIA. It wasn't the mafia that was ultimately lynched, but it was mafia nonetheless. I get that you think that Holyflare is some unholy bus machine and can't play a game without bussing his teammates immediately and meaninglessly, but from my experience with him Holyflare plays the game to win. Like, if Holyflare is the Goon, then you're saying that WHILE his GF was under heavy scrutiny and being voted by players who CAN get their lynches done, that his recourse was to try and get those townies to pay attention to his OTHER teammate? Like - even if he got his lynch that day and we lynched Torm, the suspicion on Kelsier wasn't going to go away GB. So what does he do then? He HAS to acquiesce and let townies get THEIR lynch or they'll start to get suspicious. So we lynch Kels NEXT day. THEN what GB? Like...Holyflare being mafia is just.....it doesn't make any sense man! This would be absolutely true. Unless he actually didn't actively try to push torment and unless he could see a lot of inactive people not around on deadline, turning a lynch on Torment IMPOSSIBLE I'll remind you that he first targeted me with a mock case, then went for Robik, and only around 10 minutes before deadline he tried to get people to torment with a very timid push. Just check it VE. Check if HF REALLY was trying to get torment lynched. | ||
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On March 09 2015 10:19 VisceraEyes wrote: This isn't a hard question if you're so certain GB - WHY did Holyflare push on Tormented WHILE Kelsier was the leading lynch candidate? WHY wouldn't Holyflare instead push on Soren or VE, people who OTHER townies had been saying they would be interested in lynching? Answer: impossibility of having his target actually mislyched. With that he distances himself from tormented and make us have this discussion we are having right now. I'm gonna address to your points more in depth later. I'm eating right now | ||
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On March 09 2015 10:41 VisceraEyes wrote: THE DISTANCE IS NOT NECESSARY IF TORM ISN'T LYNCHED! OMG GB!! IF HE IS LYNCHED LATER OR GETS MODKILLED HOLYFLARE IS INSTA-TOWNREAD!!! | ||
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Forget flips Who's thr scummiest player today? | ||
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Torment and Kelsier were probably going to be modkilled for not voting Insta townread for HF. And a huge LOL if the ENTIRE scum team didn't vote on day1 HUGE lol | ||
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Huge lol Heh I'm funny k | ||
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Where you read "yamato" it's actually "Holyflare" I was the vigi though. GG | ||
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The entire scum team didn't vote HUGH LAURIE LOLOLOLOL And again it would be flawless victory if Robik didn't modkill himself | ||
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On March 09 2015 13:35 VisceraEyes wrote: gg friends. GB never change bro. On March 09 2015 13:38 scott31337 wrote: Yeah HF was scum right GB? gg nice job Just... I blame Holyflare for his awful town play in this game. Yeah. Totally his fault. Also, are you asking me to never change or are you just stating I never change? | ||
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On March 09 2015 14:49 Holyflare wrote: Call out 2 mafia and gb still thinking I'm mafia You don't know yet, but you're Mafia here too | ||
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I almost. Even sent an action to hapa until I decided to kill tormented. By the way, was I obvious vigi? | ||
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I have to stop tunnelling you every game, I guess. GG | ||
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On March 09 2015 15:02 Holyflare wrote: Yeh really Now you have to admit inconsistencies don't make me mafia and next time i roll mafia you can't use that against me! You'll become unlynchable since I can't use the "he has double standards!" either. I may just have to play along, finally fulfill the promise of blindly sheep you, and hope you get night killed lol | ||
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On March 09 2015 00:40 Damdred wrote: First not damdred, why am I suddenly scum? 10/10. Gonna make this best blooper 2015 | ||
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I thought he would be town after the incorrectly read me as Mafia. That's how it usually works | ||
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On March 09 2015 23:16 your mom wrote: Yea they deserved rayn or HF or moc-moc at least :/. GB also good scum. Yamato did a really decent job at appearing townie until he afkd, that actually surprised me. Sorry moc moc, that scumread had more wanting to be right than being right in it. Good scum? | ||
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On March 10 2015 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I actually considered most of my posts and reads many times before posting them. While not being wordy i didn't end up being Glowingbear (no offence). None taken, I've already admitted I put every kind of thought in the thread, even when I always recommend coachees to take a step back before posting it's just that I have more fun this way | ||
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On March 10 2015 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: You probably shouldn't. There is a chance you distract people from solving the game, or the lesser bad outcome is you just get ignored for the rest of the game (which at least i kinda started doing at some point). While yes, in this game it made you obvious town that's not really the most effective way of playing mafia as if everyone played that way the thread would be a total chaos. Also you are not really helping when you don't think things through. Like look at Damdred's read on you. He ignored your (obivous) town tells because the pretty much all the other stuff you posted he considered nonsense. I get it. I understand the problems of doing what I do. It's just I have too much fun doing this shit My ability to read haven't developed enough. I can read townies with more accuracy but not Mafia. Although if I call a townie Mafia, it means my ability to read townies isn't that accurate. In the other hand, I won't be playing again anytime soon. I'll use that time to reevaluate what I'm doing wrong and I'll be around discussing things, hosting themed games, but certainly, CERTAINLY not playing. As marv said and also as I said before, very impressive play Rayn. I think you deserve to be nominated | ||
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It looked just semantics to me. As in Damdred's thing. I was willing to give him leeway because it felt like his slip were only semantics | ||
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On March 10 2015 02:15 marvellosity wrote: no he doesn't really. he did play excellently but the opposition was close to non-existent. There needs to be a proper challenge. Hm. Don't you think his read on Kelsier was superb, and that his insta town reads were too accurate? | ||
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On March 10 2015 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is Kelsier made a case that didn't make any sense. Like i could get what he said from towbn perspective in case he is considering possibilities. But one of his reasons was "VE is trying to pocket rayn - that's why VE is mafia". That's what he said in his case. He can't possibly think VE is mafia for pocketing me if he does not think i am town, because then there is no pocketing. The problem is: what if he simply thought you were actually town? Anyway, the problem I had here is that he defended me and went against VE, strong and vocal player. Sounded like too suicidal to be Mafia. On the other hand, filters like tormented, mm1 and a little of Soren sounded more plausible | ||
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On March 10 2015 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is not the problem because i asked him if he has a town read on me and the answer was "no". Then i voted for him. Oh!!! Got it. | ||
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On March 10 2015 02:29 marvellosity wrote: Why? I love VE dearly but he's not known for relentlessly getting his targets lynched. I've seen VE locking on targets before. I believe he was very vocal on... Avogadro's Mafia? Anyway, it sounded more plausible to me that scum Kelsier would come to the thread and try to form a second wagon on a player that could be ML, like mm1, Soren, etc. | ||
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I found those filters worse than Kelsier's for this sole thing. By going against VE he drew his attention. If he went WITH VE against MM1, it would fit better the Mafia perspective. | ||
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On March 10 2015 02:44 marvellosity wrote: You've just gotta be really careful about this heuristic. Mafia do things so they don't look like they're doing mafia things. I still never forgot a game years ago where a trolly/weird player went *really hard* against me at start of d2 after I caught him in some sort of slip. I ended up rationalising that he was town because it was absolutely suicidal for him to go against someone who couldn't possibly be lynched, and he was just signing his own death warrant (as i was pushing him already). Alas... And he ended up being Mafia I suppose. But you at least caught his slip. Discrediting you fits scum perspective. Here, Kelsier joins the thread without ever being mentioned. Anyway, I understand what you're saying. Gonna take care next time. Also, Rayn, the thing about calling VE Mafia but not showing a better understanding of VE's filter is completely understandable and that should have been more explicit to me. Awesome. Very good post-game discussion. Thank you guys. | ||
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On March 10 2015 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hell i even gave him an out (which was also a trap but i kinda went all-in ^^ ): Now he has two things to do. I intentionally didn't speak about the other part ("VE pocketing me" - argument), so: 1) Kelsier says "i don't read you as town" -> he is mafia 2) Kelsier says "while you can be wrong on your read and VE agreeing with you is scummy because [insert some reasons]" -> if the reasons are okay(ish) he is probably town. He took the easy, no-need-to-think-way out. Also, this is great | ||
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On March 10 2015 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: There was really no need to breadcrumb the check though. But yes, he played very well. He voted for mafia on D1 despite coming from different environment and looked really town all game long (at least to me). O.o I liked the guy but saying he played very well is kind of... awkward | ||
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