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On March 09 2015 16:34 rsoultin wrote: lolol >< apparently i'm scary ;o; You not scary until you roll the Godfather role :O J/K I aint scared of you in fact I can just huddle with you if you need someone | ||
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On March 10 2015 02:03 Eden1892 wrote: i am bondage expert Should we be afraid of you? | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:03 Palmar wrote: Yeah you're not even in my naughty topic. Did you just claim Mafia? | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: what? How do you possible read everyone who's posted so far as town? You quoted the wrong quote or am I missing a inside joke? | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:24 Eden1892 wrote: Guys, I have the first real read of the game. I literally only signed up to play this game so I could post this read so please take it very seriously. rsoultin is town. She could not be fake breadcrumbing this role for this long as mafia She haven't posted in the game yet silly. Anyway guys I going to play Pokemon with some friends and when I come back I will check the thread out! | ||
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You really want to mess with me because I'm in a extremely good mood because I'm not Mafia but I'm Town this game. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:42 Damdred wrote: Man I called ls out and got shit on it. Haha that's awesome anyway I still think ls is town here for some reason You called me out because you had played with me when I was scum but retracted later because of Rayn called me town. Also I really am Town this game I swear but I wanted to be a Mason with Rsoultin to apologize to her after JOAT about being Mafia not Town it just my Mafia version of me is a much lazier version of me | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:45 Onegu wrote: Talking about Koshi, but sure let's go! I'm VT you just said you are town I win as VT > just town But why claim VT so early like it will make it easier for Mafia to find the Power roles....... | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:51 Onegu wrote: @ Rayn. Who is scum so I can sheep you? @ Marv you don't get sheeped because you called me stupid @ Koshi you don't get sheeped because you are scum Why not RNG your sheep? | ||
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On March 10 2015 11:02 rsoultin wrote: marv gets sheeped because he called me stupid in a loving way ^^ dude lol I can't take this thread seriously Play the game rsoultin. Reads so far up to this point? | ||
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On March 10 2015 11:02 Eden1892 wrote: he doesn't know who to lynch so he doesn't want to rng himself It's a risk he should take. | ||
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On March 10 2015 11:06 Onegu wrote: I don't know how to do BH's method and I want BH to accuse me of not using real RNG. Plus I have the soul read ability on Rayn after 24 hours day one I will have Rayn's alignment 100% and can sheep him if town. Will RNG sheep after Rayn dies and I PM BH how to actually do his RNG. Then will be IMPOSSIBLE to think I cheated!!! I see. I guess we need more time for you to get a soul read on Rayn. | ||
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On March 10 2015 11:09 ritoky wrote: i would lynch eden cuz he likes pickles. clearly the town is an anti-pickle zone. I don't like pickles but I don't hate people that do. #Hatersgonnahate | ||
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No. We don't know if we are Miller or not this game due to the fact that Millers aren't aware so it's a easy claim for Mafia to do. | ||
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On March 10 2015 11:24 Damdred wrote: Ls is my town puppy this game. Nobody be mean to him while he does my leg work when I'm lazy Well since I'm now the offical Town Puppy let me post my offical Photo of me being a Town Puppy: | ||
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On March 10 2015 11:34 Onegu wrote: Idk. A puppy in a sex game is kinda just wrong. Eww. Woah dude ignore the flavor on that..................... BTW I not really a dog person myself as I always had Cats since I was a baby so I would of be a better Kitten then? | ||
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On March 10 2015 11:59 ritoky wrote: just in case any1 was wondering: ##vote: eden pickle lover! #sickstrats Really dude you going to Vote Eden just because he loves Pickles? If I like Pickles am I Mafia? | ||
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I was asking Ritoky not you -.- | ||
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On March 10 2015 23:04 rsoultin wrote: To be fair I kinda tainted my town image by being Mafia in that game so ofc I would hestitate to call myself Town if I was a soemone who knew my Meta other than myself. Also a big scumtell of me is I am much less active and much lazier on meta reads lol....... | ||
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On March 10 2015 23:33 rsoultin wrote: I think that post says something about rayn. Does it tell you anything about rayn. Koshi can play too! It's like a game show, only the host lost the answer cards Are you suggesting he's scum for that? | ||
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On March 11 2015 00:22 rsoultin wrote: awww but it's more fun this way ls bby :/ We need be a little serious right now as we have yet lynched or killed Mafia lol......... | ||
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On March 11 2015 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: LightningStrike would you say someone claiming mafia at the start of the game more/less/equally interesting to you than someone claiming blue/mafia? I had seen claims gone wrong plenty of times at the opening lol so it's interesting per say. | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: So i claimed blue/mafia. Why was that not interesting to you? Where exactly did you claimed Blue/Mafia? I must of missed T_T going to check your filter real quick. | ||
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Okay so you claimed your not a Miller but did you forget Millers aren't aware? If we got a Cop check this dude out lol. | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:46 marvellosity wrote: *whispers* this doesn't make much sense LS *ceases whispers* Only rsoultin can make sense out of it I guess. She said she can soulread (alhough wrong in JOAT) so listen to her as she will be able to translate for me. | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think purplehaze played really well on D1 in the last Titanic game. I think purplehaze didn't play throughout the game tbh. He was such a easy Mafia for me to as town in a cornor. | ||
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Check in his entire filter and see my case on him in Titanic | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care about the fact you found him mafia after D2. Because he was really fucking scummy on D2. And YOU decided to lynch ME over him. | ||
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Had him null Day 1. Day 2 I started to think possiblely Mafia but still null. Day 3 and 4 I thought he was 100% Mafia and made my case on him. | ||
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Which part is bullshit? | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: You had a townread on purplehaze on D2 in Titanic. Then, when i die, you make a case on him (well after making a case on Slam) based on stuff that has happened when he was your townread. Your read was DEFINITELY, on D3, based on other player's opinions -- at least a big part of it was. Here, now, you are trying to say you are some kinda god in reading him and you are trying to say "all credit for me in my read on him in that game". Why LightningStrike? Why? It been a while since Titanic my memory prob was hazed on that part. Also Day 3 people were going after me and made my case on Purplehaze as a last ditch effort to get people to get them off me and started to filteridive others because I was wrong on Damdred and needed to see who could be Mafia with a fresher look. Sorry for lynching you on Day 2 because Meta said you weren't Town for how little you posted that game | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:16 prplhz wrote: no LS made his case first i think. he certainly had me as a firm scum read on that day when we lynched palmar. Ya I made my case first there lol. | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: It was not hazed a couple of minutes ago. I mean hazed on that part alone. | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:14 prplhz wrote: anyway, LS played well in titanic i think because he looked really town all the way. dunno why people tried to lynch him that one time but it was silly. I played bad enough people thought I was Mafia in that game Didn't help I CBA to play Day 4 because of rsoultins pm to me when she died and spewed it out because I didn't know who I should talk to at the time since I was pissed. | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:22 prplhz wrote: this is from 8 hours into a game where justanothertownie is town link he doesn't want to give a town read on someone he thinks is "not that hard to read". in this game 10 hours in 4 town reads. You bringing back memories of a horrible game for me fighting Damdred the night before MYLO But overall good point I think I should vote JAT now he might be Mafia for having early townreads. ##Vote: Justanothertownie | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:27 prplhz wrote: @LightningStrike What do you think about the case on raynpelikoneet? Let me check because I currently looking for it would help if you tell me the page number. | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:29 marvellosity wrote: the case is all my posts :p Was this your initial case?: On March 10 2015 21:10 marvellosity wrote: To elaborate a little, specifically the whole trap-not-trap-whatever-it-was thing is very not-good Like if he is serious about these posts then it's just terrible and rayn is not terrible. If he is not really serious then it's not coming across very well (a negative point - would make it forced), and later posts seem to indicate he was at least trying to achieve something. I wanted to see a couple of his posts after this to see if I liked how they looked, and I didn't. So my vote is fairly serious for this point on D1. It's okay case given the time but kept on adding in more stuff to it as the game progressed it reminding me of Damdreds case on Gobble being Mafia in Slytherin (Gobble was Mafia). Will like to go after him if JAT doesn't get enough votes. | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:39 Damdred wrote: If you want to show it off and think it is true here go ahead LS dont' need my permission. JAT is pretty uninteresting though so far in this cycle, which is meh I don't think I can really remember any of his points. But the quotes weren't from this game though. Anyways this was my Meta Case on JAT being Mafia in Horn of Africa: On February 10 2015 00:57 LightningStrike wrote: Okay guys I'm back and now I bring the case on why JAT is confirmed Mafia. Now lets start with my first piece of evidence his case on HF on page 15 of his filter: Now if you looked in Void Mafia he was just as aggressive towards HF at Pages 1,2, and 3 of his filter on these same type of behavior towards a different player named Half the Sky before turned his attention to his scum read Marv in that game. Also note his behavior after HF backed off of JAT , JAT started to like him in Void Mafia at page 4. From Void Mafia: Now if you look at his behavior regarding the votes on him or prssure on him he just attacked everyone including me and HF in this game. He did similar behavior throughout Void Mafia as scum and here is a convenient quote that JAT also in this game when someone mention him as scum in void Mafia when Koshi was town: and now here's some similar type of quotes from this game: Notice how he got angry on people wanting to lynch him throughout this game and in void he displayed the same behavior. When I played with him in Metal Mini he didn't seem to get mad as easily as this game and was activly solve the game there too. Some of it can be applied here I think but not much tbh but would still lynch him this game. | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:43 prplhz wrote: not calling geript "down" but "town" typo >_< We know what you meant | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:51 Damdred wrote: Rayn that post was later explained by LS to say the POE meta was other town reads he had I believe. He still called me RS town until I got shot and RS got shot, like you are totally misrepresenting what happened in that game and its bad. LS made his case on prh day three I believe, slam revealed his check on oneg day 4? it went shoot damdred, palmar shenanigans lynched, rs shot, Oneg red checked. On palmar lynch day LS made his case, plenty of time to re-evaluate Yep I made my case Day 3 and tried to get Mafia!rsoultin to sheep me like I usually have her do but it almost worked getting purplehaze lynched >.> | ||
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On March 11 2015 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: It appears i have no fucking idea why LS posts anything he ever does. Maybe you need a session with rsoultin on how to understand me :O | ||
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On March 11 2015 04:42 ritoky wrote: has the debate been solved? Pickles aren't Mafia lol.... | ||
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Also what was the purpose of arguing with me when you ended up getting nothing out of it Rayn? | ||
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On March 11 2015 06:21 ritoky wrote: pickles was the point my friend, pickles. think about the greater picture. What's with obession with pickles in a sex themed game for god sake? (Hugs rsoultin) Everything will be alright rsoultin but I want your reads atm please baby girl! | ||
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On March 11 2015 06:28 ritoky wrote: once you solve this, you will solve the game. it may require you to take courses in the eye of the chupazi, but clearly the pickle debate needs help in solving. #sickstrats I was suppose to learn the ways of Chupazi but couldn't because I got lynched Day 1 when Slam was my coach in Campus. Also the last time you mention Chupazi in a game with me you were the Serial Killer. Are you the hidden 3rd alignment that HF wouldn't want to reveal to us? | ||
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On March 11 2015 08:27 justanothertownie wrote: You are wrong though. Could you please explain what you were talking about earlier when you said your case on me from horn could be applied in this game? Your tone is very similar being angry all the time practically. | ||
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Koshi is most likely Town based on some of his interactions with other people with some decent questioning. Damdred possible town for defending me so hard vs Rayn and his questioning towards others. Onegu seems town for going up against the thread sentiment of not calling Rayn Mafia. Marv is totes town since Mafia Marv is lazy and would be caught by now by Palmar if Palmar is Town. Palmar is town for about the same thing about Marv because they know each others meta so well that they can instantly call each other Mafia. ritoky null for the fact all he done this game was posting about pickles........... Eden not reading the thread is more of a scum tell for him and he admitted to not reading the thread when in Horns he easily kept with the game so most likely Mafia. Rayn: Although Wrong doesn't make him Mafia but he took some of my posts and twisted them a little makes him a little scummy. rsoultin you seemed to happy to be Mafia this game given our recent history together so Town! | ||
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On March 11 2015 10:14 rsoultin wrote: lol like your reads for the most part ls anything specific you want to talk about? Do you think the way rayn twisted some of my posts makes him Mafia? Also the way he talked about not scumreading me and with the pressure he gotten nothing on my alignment do you think it's weird? | ||
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On March 11 2015 11:27 rsoultin wrote: lol i'm terrible at reading emotion. i think that has been sufficiently established by now so what do you make of rayn's crazy if you're good at reading these things? oh wait i forgot you already made the strangest townread on him (or anyone) i think I've ever seen o.0 But you good at reading mine O_o | ||
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On March 11 2015 11:34 rsoultin wrote: at reading your emotion? no not really lol i'm good at figuring out exactly what you're trying to say (or knowing what to ask to figure it out) xP two different things Maybe teach Rayn a thing or two on that? | ||
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Koshi what do you make of that argument between Me, Rayn, and Damdred? | ||
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On March 11 2015 22:43 Koshi wrote: I summed it up earlier. rayn makes post around you I skimmed and not read. damdred stonewall rayn but I don't really get why. damdred makes a mistake. rayn jumps on damdred his mistake. damdred defends himself. rayn is sure damdred is mafia. Okay I must of skimmed through that part. What you think of rsoultins reaction to the argument? | ||
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No he means your sex rating is bad which means in this game Mafia. | ||
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On March 11 2015 22:56 Koshi wrote: Anybody recalls Eden making such a big listread in one of his mafia games? Would this post count?: On January 10 2015 15:45 Eden1892 wrote: First thought is LOL at trying to do vca on this. Two wagons, one town, the other unknown, clear majority, only outlier vote is confirmed town b/c she was shot right afterward. No layups In situations like these where the main wagon is town and we don't know the other wagon, we first want to look at the rationale people gave for their votes. The first person I notice is myself, because I didn't give any, because I'm a donkey and I slept through EOD and only managed to slap a fast vote down to avoid mod sanction. No johns, I suck, sorry guys. Instead I'm going to look at the other people who coasted on the lead wagon. First is liancourt. Most of his d1 posting by far is pushing LightningStrike, then ObiWanShinobi. Then he ends up voting with both on VayneAuthority, because VA wasn't trying d1. This is an odd sequence of events to me because (1) I don't think that's the strongest case to be made on VA and (2) liancourt claims to have only given up on pushing LS and Obi because the pushes weren't getting traction, which should mean he didn't stop suspecting them, and yet he ends up voting for the same guy as them. I know that even if I had failed to convince people to kill my suspects, two of them voting together on someone would have given me a great deal of pause. liancourt just lets the kill happen. Second is Oatsmaster, his case on Vayne is also not the correct case IMO. It's weird that it's the opposite of liancourt's, and that in the course of discussing this read neither one of them ended up arguing with the other about it. I guess maybe he didn't have to push as hard because Vayne became the lynch fairly quick, but it seems like he pretty much parked his vote and left. === Other notes: - sicklucker and LightningStrike are probably town, they've both been pretty active and have pushed their lynch hard. I don't think either of the cases they made on their targets d1 were actually good, but I think they were genuine, which is all I need to see to make a read. - Half the Sky looks reasonably good to me as well. The one thing irking me a bit is that she read me as town for making a "detailed case" on Vayne when I don't remember ever doing so, but it's obvious she cares about the direction of the game. Her interaction with sicklucker about the past game seems sincere enough - I know it's not directly relevant to this game, but I think the entire conversation reads town, go open her filter and find that bit and read for yourselves so you can see what I mean - and she's been rather open with her thoughts. - batsnacks is sorta vulnerable to the same logic that implicates liancourt, but batsnacks still pushed reasonably hard on Obi while voting Vayne and tried to get a last-minute vote on Obi instead of Vayne. This strikes me as more of what I'd expect a townie to do if his primary suspect were off the table: go after a secondary one while taking his chances at getting the primary suspect killed instead. I also think he's been a lot more forthright and sincere than liancourt, so I find myself okay with batsnacks, even though to some extent he does the same thing that liancourt does. - Obi already called out liancourt for the big thing I noticed earlier, so he's town in my mind for now. Obi does end up criticizing the VA lynch while staying on it, but if you read his filter it seems fairly clear that he got caught with insufficient time to figure out anything else to do due to out-of-game constraints. It's not like he peaced out from the thread and coasted. I can give him a pass on that. === That's all I feel like doing right now, I'll do more later on but this seems good enough to start with. Town: me, Obi, HTS, SL, LS, bats Mafia: Oats, lian TBD: Breshke, lollipop, derg, Doc This post was from New Years Eve Party Mini Mafia when he was Mafia. | ||
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On March 11 2015 23:26 rsoultin wrote: sadness :/ eden hasnt had me going town!eden for what its worth...i dont lile ppl who wont play with me :'( So vote for Mafia!Eden today then | ||
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On March 11 2015 23:30 LightningStrike wrote: Oh I forgot to tell you rsoultin: Sheep me baby girl! | ||
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On March 12 2015 00:35 Palmar wrote: am I sheeping this Eden thing or what? Yes because he's Mafia and we proved it in multiple posts | ||
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On March 12 2015 02:55 prplhz wrote: You can always sheep the Eden stuff. | ||
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On March 12 2015 03:15 Koshi wrote: nope. You have to actually present reads that go beyond meta. You have to interact with your scumreads. JAT enters thread, Eden is nowhere. JAT leaves thread, Eden is back to complain. *yawn* You suggesting they are Mafia together? | ||
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On March 12 2015 03:26 Koshi wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=Eden1892&page=5 This page has way to much defensive and reactive stuff in it and almost nothing proactive and aggressive in it. One does not have to have many pages to show he wants to find his mafia and solve the game. But how many posts of Eden are about finding mafia? We are approaching deadline and he is whining and not finding mafia. In the PM game he was also whining before we lynched him D1. LS can you remember a game in which Eden whines and is town? Like constantly boohooing? Not at the top of my head. | ||
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On March 12 2015 03:29 Eden1892 wrote: I have work dumbass I already said that. Phone was taken away til break I already talked about my relative lack of interaction. I was able to scum read JAT for a good reason without interacting with him. If he doesn't do anything to change his behavior then why would I need to interact with him further? Also wtf is this about meta? 1) if meta works why do I need to do anything else? 2) my top scum read and my ray townread aren't meta based so I'm not doing just meta Koshi you are making ridiculously unfair arguments that mostly don't even have a basis in reality. Please for the live if god stop Lynch with fire he conplained about this in Office Mini as Scum. Here was the post about it in Office Mini: On February 21 2015 06:04 Eden1892 wrote: My phone got taken away at work all y'all haters doubting my commitment can suck it How is sicklucker doc tho. That's such bs Also Koshi remember this post you made from Office Mini? : On February 21 2015 04:00 Koshi wrote: I am not misrepresenting point 5. You are clearly staying out of the spotlight. And it is a cold fact. You said to Oats that I was scum. And then you gave 5 reasons why I was town and why my read on snickers was good. I think it applies here. | ||
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On March 12 2015 03:49 Eden1892 wrote: Why the fuck wouldn't mafia hard-defend somebody, especially someone as notoriously easy to townread as you are? There is no reason mafia wouldn't do this. Are you actually going to address the argument I made or is this just going to be a way to check "interaction" off the list so Koshi can't lead a bullshit witch hunt on you later? (if it's the latter I completely understand) I had seen Damdred change his reads pretty fast as town esp in Metal Mini and Titanic. Even if some of the stuff might be false he at least trying this game plus Palmar and Marv would of already called out Damdred as Mafia by now like Palmar did in Imperial. | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:51 LightningStrike wrote: Okay since the JAT lynch is getting some traction I don't mind switching since I was scumreading him earlier. Koshi's case on him is decent in my eyes. ##Unvote ##Vote: Justanothertownie EBWOP: I mean rayn not Koshi.... | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:56 justanothertownie wrote: I don't even know what to say to this. It probably doesn't even make him scum. I did a EBWOP check that out. | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:57 Eden1892 wrote: shut the fuck up asshole i'm asking ls this question not you | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no way we are lynching Eden. We are lynching justanothertownie. JAT There are three simple reasons for JAT being mafia. (1) Koshi's post where he says "jat doesn't give that sort of townreads". This is true, asbolutely true. JAT as town is paranoid as fuck and basically NEVER townreads people for that little. Never. (2) JAT is sorta defending me but never tries to find an alternative lynch. Go read his filter, does it look like he actually wants to lynch someone? Like this post: is closest to a scumread he has given in this game. Which brings me to: (3) He isn't actually doing anything. Like, he isn't pushing anything, he isn't giving any reads or thought processes on things. He is just fucking here. Lynch with fire. | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:26 Eden1892 wrote: you probably should because i toned down the spam and bouncing around quite a bit relatively speaking although i'm not getting why you didn't already notice that ls :| Because the game was still going on and I couldn't use shit from there -.- | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:31 rsoultin wrote: LS I <3 you dude, but why are you so sure jat is scum :/ these two are making my head spin right now lol I made my statement earlier on JAT and Rayn's post reassured me more that JAT is Mafia. Check my filter about my thing on JAT. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:02 justanothertownie wrote: What does he gain as town? The answer is he isn't gaining anything regardless of his alignment which makes the claim not alignment indicative. I seen more towns claiming VT than Mafia in past games so honestly I will take it at face value. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: LightningStrike do you have an opinion on Onegu? marv please get back here. NOW! I think I said Null on him he haven't post much other than his soulread on you being Town but other than that he done nothing. Kinda worrying tbh. | ||
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Shit you right. Forgot he did because he been very forgetable this game. Okay two VT claims = 2 towns. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:13 ritoky wrote: now that i am confirmed town can i just go back to my pickle debate? No we find Mafia. Purplehaze was voting Rayn with JAT and JAT was Mafia. There is at least 1 Mafia on the JAT train but idk which one yet. Purplehaze vote was kinda wasted which is bad if he's town. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:19 rsoultin wrote: I am in fact a lady with boobs. not quite the smothery kind but they're noticeable xP TMI TMI......... | ||
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@Koshi and Rayn: If Marv or Damdred is Mafia who would be there partner and why? @Damdred: If Palmar or Marv is Mafia who would be there partner and why? @rsoultin can you give me a reads list now baby girl? | ||
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On March 12 2015 11:39 Damdred wrote: More than likely it would be oneg or Eden to me ls. But most probable oneg Okay explain why? | ||
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On March 12 2015 12:15 Damdred wrote: Oneg filter is devoid of solving game not much thoughts besides rayn is town basically. Its also poe that leads me there. Eden had some things I said earlier and his push off of jat onto ritoky still makes me lift my eyebrows a bit meh I see. If they are both town who would be scum then? | ||
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On March 12 2015 12:48 Eden1892 wrote: This is about where I am. raynpelikoneet is confirmed town. This doesn't need explanation. rsoultin is still confirmed town to me. She is the only person I would say I can read based on writing style with nearly-perfect accuracy. Studying her play when I coached her and then playing a few games with her, and getting to see her play as both alignments, has made me really good at making this read. If I try to push a tone read despite in-game evidence on anyone else then you can probably ignore me but do not make this mistake when I read rsoultin this way. I have gotten that good at it. (Yes I know lame digs about Horn of Africa go here, I've figured it out since then.) Koshi is mega town. I might still be sleeping on his mafia game from a lack of experience with it, but this is night and day compared to his mafia games I've seen. He's heavily invested in all of the discussions going on and his scumhunting is really focused. I haven't liked the content of some of his pushes; I feel like he gets tunnel-vision and tends to depreciate his arguments. But it still all checks out. He also caught JAT, so there's that. marvellosity is mega town. This is based mainly off of two things: our thought on prplhz and his interaction with JAT. Regarding prplhz we had a mindmeld, although the record isn't going to show that cleanly. You can find where marv asked aloud why prplhz was voting ray the entire day during this phase; I had the same thought right before I read him saying that, but I had to do something at work and couldn't post to confirm it until a little bit later. My mindmelds pretty much never happen with mafia and I refuse to lynch them. The other bit that might be more convincing to the rest of y'all is his interaction with JAT. I described it as "kid gloves" - marv seemed unusually deferential and lenient on JAT when (IMO anyway) JAT wasn't playing well. It occurred to me that marv would really only do this as mafia if JAT were town. He doesn't want to look like he's reluctantly going with the flow when a partner is up for lynch; he either does his best to steer the lynch elsewhere or he commits to busing his partner, but he's almost scared to be in the middle ground where he's acknowledging that his partner looks bad but isn't trying to kill the partner. That's where I felt he was with JAT virtually the entire day. I have to admit I've been unimpressed with his pushes thus far, but he doesn't have to do that to be town. LightningStrike is probably town. His play this game just seems like typical town LightningStrike to me. Clear efforts to be helpful, original questioning, digging into previous games to cite evidence to support himself. I don't think I'm lynching him. ritoky is probably town on further reflection. There seemed to be a brief window where the lynch was in question, with ray, ritoky and JAT as the three wagons. JAT was very animated about getting people who weren't committed against him or ray to vote for ritoky over him. I think it was Koshi who called it the "time when JAT had hope" of not being lynched, and he spent an awful lot of it trying to get ritoky lynched. The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse. (No offense ritoky, it's not that you're bad, it's that JAT has arguably the best scumside game of anyone currently active on TL Mafia.) So JAT busing isn't out of the question. And it's not like ritoky has played a scintillating obvtown game either. But the reason this is more likely town is simple - if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched? It's too glaring an inconsistency to ignore, so I think ritoky is probably town. prplhz is an anomaly. He was the first one to call out JAT on his town reads, which stuck out to me because it was a pretty insightful point that turned out to be correct. He also had a couple of pretty insightful interjections into some heated debates. (My bias is showing here, but at one point Koshi and LS were calling me a liar and mafia respectively for saying my phone was taken away at work, and prplhz was the only person with the common sense to say "or maybe he's saying this cause it's the truth.") But he's also had sparse thread presence, and despite making an insightful observation about JAT's early townreads, he proceeds never to actually vote JAT and afk's onto the now-confirmed medic. He's in my POE lynch list but I'm hoping I can get some more out of him d2. Palmar is a complete null right now and will probably remain that way until he starts playing for real. I'm looking elsewhere for my targets tomorrow but if he gets lynched tomorrow that wouldn't bother me. Onegu is a complete null right now and will probably remain that way until he starts playing for real. I'm looking elsewhere for my targets tomorrow but if he gets lynched tomorrow that wouldn't bother me. Damdred still seems like a pretty good pick for mafia. I still feel that the core of my case against him during d1 stands. His flip on me seems fabricated to fit thread sentiment; it's really bizarre that a player as generally attentive and precise as Damdred is (when town) could just look at my big reads list and immediately call it really townie, then suddenly realize he didn't notice all of the "problems" with it and think that my filter is actually really bad. He kept harping on some question I allegedly didn't answer back in the first half of d1, but then when we're talking last night he asks me about rsoultin and then never actually broaches the question from before. Seems like if it were so important that he scumread me for not answering it that he would ask it directly again to try to get an answer, no? I also felt like he was insufficiently uncertain with his town reads early in the game; there's no meta point for me to raise like prplhz did with JAT, but he called a lot of people town really fast. He had a pretty solid vote count analysis that he posted earlier and the only thing missing to wrap it up was that he's mafia lol. I think I'm lynching this guy tomorrow. Ugh we had played with Mafia Koshi before in the same game lol (Horns of Africa). Anyways guys I going to bed and when I wake up I will check everything! | ||
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@Everyone why would Rayn and Palmar counterclaim JAT's Doctor claim if they are the entire Mafia team? | ||
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Exactly my point Koshi it would be the worst thing they would do as a entire team. | ||
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On March 12 2015 21:31 marvellosity wrote: There was a game recently where mafia (Holyflare) counterclaimed another mafia (I forget who) who was up for the lynch, and even at the time it happened I said it. Obviously this game is different but there is precedent for that sort of thing anyway. Still think it's more likely rayn is town though. Because he set himself up with a big target on his back. Unless he was genuinely scared the alternative (if there was no cc) was him, but I don't really like that argument It was Mafia Holyflare counterclaiming Mafia Eden in Linux. But to be fair there was a lot of blue claims that game lol. | ||
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On March 12 2015 23:25 marvellosity wrote: right, he made an early toneread on me when I wasn't feeling like playing, and so I stopped entirely. the fact is Palmar always realises I am mafia in 2 ways 1. I slip something tonally early, normally when i do not have the energy to play (e.g. metal) 2. he has an unsettling feeling about me for a long period of time and eventually he realises it means I am mafia (Imperial) here it seems he thinks he has actual reasons, and they are bound to be bad. I think Horn Mafia was the first game ever Palmar gave me a hard townread on D1-N1 when I hadn't directly lynched mafia on D1. And the funny thing is, really there is very little difference between how i play there and here (I would say none, but I'm sure someone could find a thing or two and go na-na-na-na). Ya I remember in Imperial I was shadowing Palmar and he said he was kinda uneasy about you in the Shadow QT around Day 2/3 area and thought you might be Mafia in that game. Also I agree with the bolded part but I finding it weird he calling you Mafia this compared to Horns when you played similar to that. | ||
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On March 12 2015 23:32 Koshi wrote: I don't have faith in humanity. Why? | ||
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When I made my post you made that post that kinda shows how long I take type out my stuff lol...... | ||
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I think Koshi called Marv town today lol.... | ||
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On March 12 2015 23:40 Koshi wrote: i don't see anybody except rayn make a case that isn't about Damdred. So marv should. But he is waiting. And I don't know on who. I not exactly a good case maker but I know how to find some Mafia myself >.> | ||
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On March 12 2015 23:56 Koshi wrote: You know why marv is mafia? If he was town he would be making case after case so he would get shot and could visit Mr. Marshal. In horns he didn't make case after case what special about this game? | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:19 Palmar wrote: marv confirmed mafia. Okay make your case then if you really think Marv is Mafia? | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: not true Koshi. She said something that was really clever i hadn't even thought about. And that was? | ||
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It's a good point by rsoultin it does pretty much make you confirmed town before the Doc counterclaim by you. | ||
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Really if you think someone is Mafia why not make a case on them being Mafia? | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: LightningStrike i remember reading you asked me (and Koshi) why marv is mafia or something like that. I don't think marv is mafia so i can't answer that. Why were you even asking that? I have never called marv mafia in this game. I thought you did call him Mafia t one point. my bad. | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:51 marvellosity wrote: I don't really know, I wasn't really reading his posts. What do you think? Going to check it in a bit thought you would remember Imperial better than me since you played when I shadowed. | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:55 Koshi wrote: I feel like Onegu shouldn't know that rayn is town if he is 50 pages behind. I agree. Lynch Onegu tnext Day Phase then? | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:00 marvellosity wrote: I wouldn't mind a vigi shooting me either tbh. i really want out. Don't pull a me Marv. Only I can pull a me | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i think there is a chance purplehaze is mafia, because Palmar says so. But Palmar does not look very townie either. I know in general him trolling is not alignment indicative but this game has a pretty impressive playerbase and it looks like he just doesn't give any fucks. So i don't know. I don't think Damdred is mafia either. When i stopped posting the night before he had a set of posts i found really townie. Now everyone is calling him mafia when i read him town. I have no idea why. I don't consider myself a great player tbh I just look good enough to not get lynched 90% of the time as Town. | ||
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Pretty much all of Horns lol.............. | ||
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On March 13 2015 04:42 Palmar wrote: Rsoultin and Marv and rayn and Eden scum team Koshi knows to many scum need 1 less of them. | ||
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True. 2 less and we call it good lol. | ||
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On March 13 2015 04:55 Damdred wrote: Ls do you think I'm scum? You've asked a ton but what's your opinion I thought you would look my filter but I reading you town there is no way you would hard defend me and attack a town rayn like you did if you were scum. | ||
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On March 13 2015 05:02 Koshi wrote: If I am dieing tonight I will be so pissed. But a Doctor had claimed though why would you die then if the doctor is known? | ||
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On March 13 2015 05:05 Koshi wrote: LS. Chances are you will survive a long time. Please. Please. Lynch marv after 2 town misslynches. What makes you so certain that he's Mafia? | ||
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On March 13 2015 05:12 Koshi wrote: I don't know about him. I can see him be mafia. But I don't know. I don't know anything this game except that rsoultin is the best shot on mafia and Damdred is town. But if marv survives 3 nights he is mafia. Please just lynch him. And spread the word. Okay. I will keep that in mind if I survive for that long. | ||
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I counter claiming your blue claim just didn't choose to do it in the night phase. | ||
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Both of them. You aint blue as far I know. | ||
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On March 13 2015 10:05 Damdred wrote: Why in the world did you block raoultin? You clearly were tr him? I was but everyone else was scumreading her and thought that I might be wrong on her so I took the chance and it bit me in the ass. | ||
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On March 13 2015 10:12 Koshi wrote: 3 blues is not OP against 2 red power roles. it is 9 vs 3 after all. LS you shouldn't really have claimed I think. But what Palmar is doing doesn't make any sense and I think he needs to die. It's not that he is trolling. This is beyond that. This is mafia. Let's see why would Mafia have a Godfather or a Framer if there is no Cop? Chances are very slim thus leaves us with the typical Roleblocker and 2 Goons setup we all familiar with. We lynch Palmar and if he comes back Town I'm fucked unless I found Mafia and roleblocked them from killing me. | ||
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On March 13 2015 10:16 LightningStrike wrote: Let's see why would Mafia have a Godfather or a Framer if there is no Cop? Chances are very slim thus leaves us with the typical Roleblocker and 2 Goons setup we all familiar with. We lynch Palmar and if he comes back Town I'm fucked unless I found Mafia and roleblocked them from killing me. EBWOP I meanwhat are the chances they would have a Gofather and or a Framer with no Cop? Very slim chance that they would put that in a setup with a doctor + roleblocker for town as this type of setup would be pretty anti cop esp with Millers involved. | ||
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On March 13 2015 10:17 Koshi wrote: Or you get docsaved Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm I dnu. doc + rb seems a bit insane. Insane yes but I can see it being balanced esp on Night 1 roleblocking the doctor and preventing the save from happening by accident and would need to be coordinated to work good. | ||
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On March 13 2015 10:26 Koshi wrote: So mafia shot rsoultin. I don't even know on what planet I am living. There was a pretty legit docclaim. Ya idk what the hell is going on either esp with Palmar multiple blue claims first counterclaiming Medic then claiming Vig like wtf........... I wanted to counterclaim at Night but I thought it was best for me to attempt to find Mafia and prevent a Night Kill myself but failed. I decided to claim now because this is a very important topic for us to discuss and we can find Mafia from it. | ||
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On March 13 2015 10:30 prplhz wrote: what would you gain from roleblocking a scum rso? what chance did you take and how did it bite you in the ass? I would gain a chance of preventing a night via roleblock mechanics. I took a big chance since everyone was scumreading except for me and Eden + Rayn so I thought I might of been wrong again of her being Scum not Town again after Titanic and it bit me in the ass. | ||
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If I roleblock someone they can't do shit so I can prevent a Night Kill by doing that roleblocking Mafia so they can't perform the Night Kill. | ||
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On March 13 2015 23:30 marvellosity wrote: From the other game: Remind anyone of anything? Was that from Titanic? | ||
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On March 13 2015 23:53 marvellosity wrote: he was under pressure, he literally said "let's stop this nonsense right now" while people were discussing him as possibly mafia. It is also not difficult to claim VT as mafia. You go "hi I am VT" Hmm I don't recall him being pressured at the time he claimed VT. Might need to check his filter and look at the timing of it better. | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:18 justanothertownie wrote: Everyone is listing you as scum but noone is pushing or voting you. Could this be a Mafia on Mafia talk by JAT to ritoky? ##Unvote ##Vote: Ritoky | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:09 marvellosity wrote: I don't quite understand what you're saying, could you rewrite for me? If you look Palmar's filter Palmar was willing to let JAT live for another day and JAT later flipped Mafia when we lynched him. I finding that odd from Palmar that just all. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:21 Koshi wrote: ritoky rayn mafia team? OoOoOoOoOoOo Rayn is the Doctor? I agree that ritoky is likely Mafia. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:54 Koshi wrote: Your only ability is to stop Framers and NK. There isn't going to be a doc AND a rb in a mini. NEVER EVER Okay maybe I need to learn how to balance then. Okay we might actually got a Cop or some shit that aint a Doctor with me as a roleblocker. ##Unvote ##Vote: raynpelikoneet | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like, LightningStrike, what i am does not help you in any way in this course at this point. It might come handy later on and i WILL claim my role if i need to. There is zero need now. Didn't you claim doctor earlier? | ||
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@Everyone: Who do we lynch today and why? | ||
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On March 14 2015 23:12 Koshi wrote: I wasn't ranting. It sounded like it to me lol.... | ||
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On March 15 2015 10:08 Onegu wrote: @LS what are your current reads? So me and Koshi are definitely confirmed Town via Power Role claims I getting Eden, Damdred, Marv Town based on my interactions with them. Prplhz despite his filter being larger I wont be surprised that he could of uped his Mafia game after Titanic because his filter is filled with meaningless shit except for him calling out JAT's early reads but yet wouldn't put his vote on JAT till much later so maybe a possible early bus by him? I remember you not having a good filter every time you are town and almost always claim VT if you are VT and you did this with very little pressure so most likely town by meta. Rayn most likely town by your soul read and the fact he was willing to counterclaim JAT's Medic claim as VT which is a ballsy move that worked but then some claim stuff happened with him and Palmar about who is the real power role. Palmar trolled on Day 1 pretty hard and the first time I ever played with him he was hard pressuring people (Me especially) when it wasn't the weekend and he seemed to be a question mark now with his play so Null possible Mafia. | ||
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On March 15 2015 10:28 Damdred wrote: Bah I actually have to read koshi now because its bugging me. LS what do you think of another mafia fake claim? I think it will go full Linux if remember all the blue claims that game :O | ||
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@Koshi: Why you think Marv is Mafia? | ||
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On March 15 2015 22:13 Koshi wrote: I didn't say that. If Marv is not mafia why we lynch him then? | ||
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Am I not allowed to suggest a check for Damdred if he's the Cop? | ||
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On March 16 2015 00:25 Koshi wrote: It also shows that you might not be RB prplhz Because your rb is a copcheck Good point ignore my comment Damdred. | ||
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On March 16 2015 01:48 Damdred wrote: Because can't read her well weird interactions etc You mean both of you call each other scum at the start since you two played with each other since forever lol. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:37 Palmar wrote: No calling me out was fine. You didn't play it badly at all. It was just funny that you softed and then hard-claimed having softed like 3 posts later. Oh and don't you dare fucking leave me hanging again I didn't mean to leave you hanging like that it just bad timing for EoD/EoN made it hard for me to stay around for me to do that stuff. | ||
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