Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal
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On March 28 2015 08:02 Keirathi wrote: Why? Because I'm the best fucking player to ever grace these forums. I am 100% right 100% of the time. I'm the baddest of the badass warriors. I'm the fucking Mr.T of warriors. lynch all liars, etc etc. | ||
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On March 29 2015 06:15 Keirathi wrote: Yea, that post is crap. Why is BH town? Why is Hapa town? Why is Sepulchre town? Why are any of those people scum? Why are you just making a baseless list post that does absolutely nothing for the game? :o Because I'm town, dummy. | ||
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On March 29 2015 09:37 Koshi wrote: Jow Hapa. Please come and tell us how Kitaman is confirmed scum. On March 29 2015 00:12 kitaman27 wrote: emo koshi did show up in the recent Jack of all trades mafia as town. Not sure if he is trying to mimic the attitude or not. Either way, I'm fine with lynching any drama queens. | ||
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On March 29 2015 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Hapa surely you must realize at this point you actually are a very likely candidate for lynch today with the way you've been playing. The fact that you know this and still haven't done anything actually further reinforces those scumpoints people have against you. I've been patiently waiting for you to blow me away and you haven't. Thankfully, I'm not. I'm in Ritoky and VE's townlist. EZ gaem. | ||
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On March 29 2015 10:14 kitaman27 wrote: So when koshi makes this post, you expect me to be perfectly fine with it? I'm essentially saying if he refuses to play the game then we lynch him. Are you saying that I should be perfectly fine with an afk koshi? If that's indicative of a town Koshi, yes. | ||
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On March 29 2015 10:16 kitaman27 wrote: But it's not. He did it as mafia and town. I said it happens both ways. Where did he do it as mafia? You've given no evidence of such things. | ||
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Second things seconds, we are 100% killing Trefl tomorrow. He posted his scum-case on Sicklucker... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=41#808 On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: ... sicklucker It's obvious that what sicklucker's play has been scummy. The question is whether or not it is alignment indicative. I think that it is. Why would sicklucker do this?
Sicklucker didn't make any effort to push his campaign for the adventuring party. If he is willing to claim one of his abilities early on, I expect him to follow through and push this correctly. He posts the following: + Show Spoiler + On March 28 2015 10:50 sicklucker wrote: 0 votes on me a confirmed town. Ya ok On March 28 2015 10:54 sicklucker wrote: If i knew this was gonna be a popularity contest and not a give it to a town contest I probably wouldnt have claimed On March 28 2015 10:56 sicklucker wrote: You guys better at least make me the cleric or ill question your intelligence. And doesn't mention it again. Clearly he gave up on his campaign very early on. And since he's already invested in it, this makes no sense. He clearly had no plan for pushing, and not even a desire to interact with people and explain himself. Furthermore, sicklucker himself stated that he never gets night killed.So, if he really does have strong powers and needs to survive, he simply wouldn't say anything, and that would accomplish this for him. In conclusion, sicklucker has a good chance of being mafia here. His play doesn't come from a town perspective. ... in which he makes a fairly reasonable post wrapping up why sicklucker is "mafia." However in his next post is what makes me want to lynch him: On March 29 2015 16:06 Trfel wrote: First off, apologies for this post being short. I'm rather sleepy, and I'm really busy tomorrow, so I can't guarantee much more from me until after the deadline. I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum here. He made a bunch of null reads, but his early push on rsoultin was rather townie. He seems to be trying hard in this game, and I don't want to lynch him. For now, I think that Holyflare is the best vote. He seems very towny, and he has been actively leading the thread. He's also said many of the same thoughts that I have had. His lynch candidates also generally line up with mine. I also trust Holyflare with whatever abilities are given to him by the adventuring party role. ##vote Holyflare I personally like a sicklucker lynch. He's basically claimed third party. As for Hapahauli: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......................... I don't want to lynch Half the Sky yet, either. I am fairly confident in reading her in a longer game, using the tell that Holyflare developed: "boring Half the Sky is mafia". I am not convinced that Half the Sky has been given enough time to be interesting in this game yet. He wants to lynch sicklucker because he's 3rd party. That's a big nono. Mafia want to lynch 3rd parties. Town generally are looking for mafia first. It doesn't help that the rest of his post is basically summary and non-committal reads on LS, myself, and HtS. | ||
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On March 30 2015 04:10 Holyflare wrote: "town are generally looking for mafia" "in the first post trfel concludes that sicklucker is mafia" what hapa? didn't sl claim 3p after trfel made that post? Yes, and that doesn't invalidate the point. Being super comfortable iwth a 3p lynch more alligns with mafia objectives than town ones. | ||
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On March 30 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote: no hapa still, that post was awful, his reads aren't "non committal" like hapa is stating, he town reads ls quite hard and has the same read on hapa as everyone else in the game and same with hts (before someone found out her pre-game excuse or w/e) he also says that town generally like to find mafia first and his first post was that trfel called sicklucker mafia......? i don't get it at all Also, it's worth commenting that Trefel isn't "hard town-reading LS". The statement "I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum" does not sounds like a strong town read. Furthermore, you're not really understanding what I"m trying to say about Trefl in general. Sicklucker post was good on its own. Paired with the 2nd, it is bad. He calls sicklucker mafia, as well as a couple of other people. Instead of developing his other reads when sicklucker claims 3p, he gets super comfortable with lynching sicklucker. That 'aint good. | ||
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On March 30 2015 04:32 Keirathi wrote: Yo Hapa, am I scum? Gogo. Probably not. | ||
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On March 28 2015 08:27 Sepulchre wrote: Thinking about it, the cleric is probably the most important role of the three. I'm not very concerned about the rogue, the no-lynch is practically impossible to use without him eating rope the next day. So I will focus on getting town people on positions 3 and 1. Finding mafia would be a plus, but seems secondary. This is the "infamous" post I suppose. I dont' necessarily think he's mafia for prioritizing the mayoral voting. I can see a newer townie player do that. What I find interesting is that he prioritizes finding townies for "positions 3 and 1", and then... On March 29 2015 21:57 Sepulchre wrote: @Holyflare's listpost: I disagree heavily with batsnacks, I'd put him next to WaveofShadow personally. I'm somewhat okay with the rest of the list to varying degrees. The two people who said Hapahauli is a Jester-type role I read as very town. It fits perfectly the kind of wtf play he has been doing and I think no mafia would say that in this situation - Hapahauli was (and is I suppose) the prime lynch target and as mafia they wouldn't care one bit about that, so long as it's not a mafia member getting lynched. Between rsoultin and VayneAuthority I think VayneAuthority seems like the smarter guy. So I'll vote him now since I can't fully guarantee being back before the deadline. ... proceeds to vote Vayne for the slimmest of reasons. There's no indication that he thinks Vayne is town. He just kinda votes him because "he seems smarter", which is not what I'd expect given his first post. Wave's play this game feels a lot more "conversational" than anything else. It doesn't feel like he's persuing anything seriously; he's just going around and talking to people, building up a 5 page filter in the process. He's giving out townreads to virtually anyone active and talking to him. Very little in the way of scum-reads. Read his filter and get a feel for it. It's difficult to post specific things when talking about his general behavior. | ||
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On March 30 2015 05:16 Holyflare wrote: hapa is totes trying to buddy me by copying what i said already Well you literally say everything. | ||
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On March 30 2015 05:20 Koshi wrote: Hapa, you are still mafia because if I am wrong on everything you are just sheeping thread sentiment. I woudl be sheeping thread sentiment if I called myself mafia. | ||
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On March 30 2015 05:25 Keirathi wrote: So Hapa: Why did you fuck off for the last 44 hours? You obviously were around and varying points and still did absolutely nothing. What gives? I had a fairly busy two days, so I was actively trying to detach myself from the thread to preserve my sanity. To force myself to "not give a shit" if you will. I really didn't want to be thinking about this mafia game for the last two days. It certainly worked. Personally anyway. As for the negative effects, I think ~50 hours is plenty of time to get suspicion off of me. | ||
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Bad JAT. Bad. | ||
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Is BH-trolling alignment indicative? | ||
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On March 30 2015 05:40 justanothertownie wrote: No, but him being the way he is towards Koshi is. It reminds me of his behaviour towards me in YOSO and also of some cell game he was mafia in (?). For someone who bitches about bad meta reads, you have a lot of bad meta reads. | ||
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On March 30 2015 05:46 Chezitwo wrote: The irony is palpable This man for Warrior. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:06 Crossfire99 wrote: Why does it seem like we are getting away from a Hapa lynch? Why didn't you tell us this previously? This just seems like an retroactive explanation for why you actively refused to play. If you were really busy, tell us then instead of making the purposely trolly posts which show you are "following" the thread but are just refusing to play. I've tried stuff like that before. In many games, I post pre-game that "oh, I won't be as active because I'm busy etc etc", and then I end up try-harding anyway because I can't get the game off my mind. So I tried something different. Woop. But the main reason that people are moving away from my lynch is that it's generally really fucking obvious to tell if I'm mafia when I'm posting for an extended amount of time. In 48 hours, it should be pretty easy to tell my alignment. And if for whatever reason it isn't, my role allows me to kill myself on Day 3, so I'll save you from lynching me if I don't do my job. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: We have no reason to believe you'll actually kill yourself. >:| The Day 3 thing is the most irrelevant thing in my post. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:21 Crossfire99 wrote: I agree that it is really obvious to tell if you're mafia, but allowing to let you live if you're mafia is allowing you to use your role, allowing a potential mislynch to replace your lynch, so I'm not sold on the wait and see approach. Tunneling won't get us anywhere. Consider the alternatives in my filter and tell me what you think. Trefl, Sepul, and Wave. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:25 LightningStrike wrote: Hapa because what I said in his filter he done jack shit early on and the fact that he only decided to play with very little time left in the Day I think it fits more of a scum type of play to do stuff at EoD area. It's fairly disconcerting that you have such a strong read without taking any effort to talk to me in the past two hours. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:30 LightningStrike wrote: Let's see I had read your filter and talked to others about you. Why should I consider you to be town? Agreeing or disagreeing with my reads is a start. I really dont' care if you consider me town right now. I don't have the time luxury for that. I'm more interested in why I'm your top target, and yet you've made no attempt to interact with me until I prodded you to do so. Your top scumread starts posting 2.5 hours ago. Is it not natural to want to talk to said "top scumread?" | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:32 Koshi wrote: That being said. I have 0 problems with a snarf shot. But I need to know why the fuck we are lynching him because I haven't heard anybody say something really smart about a snarf lynch. kita hapa hf JAT What are your opinions on this snarf lynch? I want them on paper. I want to read them. Eh. I think he looks "objectively bad." First post is a "say nothing" intro post, followed by a great deal of weak town reads. That being said, it makes sense that he'd do something like this, given that his priorities today seem to be voting for a "town" lynch party. I think lynching him is a coinflip. Not a terrible coinflip, but I'd lynch Trfel or Sepul over him any day. WoS... I'd like to see him alive another day as I think there's some margin for error in my read there. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:34 kitaman27 wrote: While I share your opinion about Trefl, I don't understand how you can say the sicklucker post was good on its own. Based on the three quotes above, how does the justification for a mafia sicklucker look good, when he refutes it in his own set of posts? As I was telling HF, your townyness usually becomes apparent if you actually put effort in the game and get shot shortly after. Do you intend to use PMs to their fullest extent tonight and be active on day two or do you anticipate being unavailable? I largely used the word "good" in the sense that it looked good on its face, and the reason I was suspicious of Trfel was for reasons other than his case. I agree his justification for reading sicklucker as mafia is the best, but there's no inherent mafia motive in bad reasoning. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:38 kitaman27 wrote: While the idea is bad in theory, do you think a mafia Sepul opens by saying "Finding mafia would be a plus, but seems secondary"? Plausibly. Sepul is brand new after all. But that also has very little to do with why I'm suspicious of him. I'm more concerned with how he arrived on voting Vayne (after saying how his priorities were to find townies for positions "3 and 1"). | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:39 LightningStrike wrote: I disagree with your read on Wave he played very similarly in Student VI at least from what I remember coaching two players there... Read that game again, and see how tunneled he was on Damdred on Day 1. and your Sep read might be off because he already about the same filter length as his last town game in JOAT so I thinking that alone makes him town. This is the weakest shit... | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:42 rsoultin wrote: Okay snarfs has been submitted as our lynch Waiiiit. Don't we have an hour left? | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:45 rsoultin wrote: 15 mins i think? if we have over an hour and opinions change i'll just send another pm lol According to the votecount thread, we have an hour. | ||
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The thread is getting pretty chaotic, and it should help to organize who we are talking about killing. Trfel and Snarfs have received a lot of lynching support so far. Are there any other candidates with popular support? Let's use our last hour well. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:49 Damdred wrote: Oh I thought we only had 10 minutes ok that makes me feel better a bit. Ok so hapa what do you think between Trfel and snarfs As previously mentioned, Snarfs seems like a coinflip. I agree his play looks bad, but there's an explanation due to the nature of this Day 1. A lot of his play was focused around finding townies to vote for. This isn't ideal, but it is certainly plausible. I find it harder to come up with plausible town explanations for Trfel's play. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=41#808 This is his reads post. Kita has talked about how the analysis is pretty weak, and Chezitwo mentioned that it feels very "over-justified" for this point in the game. I agree with both of these points. But his next post on Sicklucker is so hard to explain from a town perspective: On March 29 2015 16:06 Trfel wrote: First off, apologies for this post being short. I'm rather sleepy, and I'm really busy tomorrow, so I can't guarantee much more from me until after the deadline. I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum here. He made a bunch of null reads, but his early push on rsoultin was rather townie. He seems to be trying hard in this game, and I don't want to lynch him. For now, I think that Holyflare is the best vote. He seems very towny, and he has been actively leading the thread. He's also said many of the same thoughts that I have had. His lynch candidates also generally line up with mine. I also trust Holyflare with whatever abilities are given to him by the adventuring party role. ##vote Holyflare I personally like a sicklucker lynch. He's basically claimed third party. As for Hapahauli: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......................... I don't want to lynch Half the Sky yet, either. I am fairly confident in reading her in a longer game, using the tell that Holyflare developed: "boring Half the Sky is mafia". I am not convinced that Half the Sky has been given enough time to be interesting in this game yet. He "likes" the sicklucker lynch and is really comfortable that sicklucker is 3rd party. This is odd for two reasons. 1) He has absolutely zero doubt in his mind that sicklucker is 3p. This is odd, and it's strange for someone that made such a try-hard case on sicklucker to not believe atleast somewhat that sicklucker is mafia. 2) He's comfortable lynchign a 3p sicklucker over his 3 other scumreads. This is absurdly scummy. | ||
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Let's say that your top scumread claims 3p. I highly doubt that any town will instantly believe that claim. At the very least, there will be some doubt in there that your top scumread is making a play or fake-claiming. Trfel just instantly believes sicklucker which is so hard to explain. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:58 kitaman27 wrote: Could you justify this post hapa? When referencing several other players, you attack them for not looking for mafia. Why is BH the exception? I've played enough games with BH to realize that his openers aren't always serious and are rarely alignment indicative. | ||
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Trfel case. Comment. Feedback. Plz. Taking shower, be back in 5. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Hi guys Why are you doing what I was doing I totally did that and you are copying me wtf. | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:00 kitaman27 wrote: At what point would you consider something BH does alignment indicative? I would not like to describe my methodology of reading BH in thread until I decide to make a case on him. But why am I wrong on BH? Surely you've played in many games with him as well. | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:32 Sepulchre wrote: I don't really see why Trfel is suddenly the lynch. I also don't see why everybody moved off Hapahauli. He came in, called 2-3 of the easiest people in this game to call mafia mafia without adding anything. His post on Trfel is just fingerpointing him for saying "sicklucker basically claimed 3p" and running away with the most damning conjecture. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=109#2161 I personally read Trfel's post as "my mafia suspect claimed 3p so now there is a 0% chance he is town, let's lynch him", which is the far more apparant interpretation. Hapahauli doesn't even consider that, and I will randomly add the most damning conjecture here, because he doesn't care about lynching mafia he's just trying to survive. I haven't read all of the thread so maybe some people have better reasons for lynching Trfel. If you do I'd appreciate a link, or at least the name of the guy so I can check for myself. As is I think Trfel is just getting lynched because he's afk. Which is ok I guess but don't disguise it as something more than a coinflip. Yes there are better reasons for lynching Trfel. The ones that you skipped over in my posts in order to cherry pick an attack against me. | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:41 Alakaslam wrote: How hte hell many medics do we have? WAIT I DONT WANT TO FIND OUT FIRST How the hell can I make an informed risk/payoff decision then? Nah. You don't even need to claim. I just dont' understand why you'd know what BH's role does. | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote: Wait, this is why I am being lynched??? This makes no sense. Town needs to eliminate third party. And again, I would take a very good chance at killing third party over a random shot at killing mafia. I didn't make a read on Hapahauli, I didn't make a read on Half the Sky. My "zzzz" about Hapahauli both means that I was bored of his play (he wasn't doing anything), and I was extremely bored of all of the focus and discussion about him. As for Half the Sky, I want her to not be lynched so I have more time to read her. I feel that she is easy to read after some time, but with her being busy for the first portion of the game, that time wasn't provided. I stood up to the wave of people trying to lynch LightningStrike. And you call that non-committal? If LightningStrike is lynched and flips mafia, I look really bad for that. You're being lynched more for the later posts in my filter. Regardless, I don't think you're being lynched. HF has a good point about sicklucker. | ||
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Out for a few hours, GL all | ||
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That's really all I have to say about the matter. I was planning to do a re-readthrough of the game before deadline, but I just don't have the focus or the willpower to do it. If you think that's me mafia claiming, you should lynch me tomorrow so you don't have questions later on during the game. If I am somehow alive by Night 3, my role allows me to kill myself for some chaotic town fun, which is an option I will be taking if I get there. Until then, my contributions will be briefly keeping up with the thread and sheeping people that I think are making sense. If you want more explanations for why I don't feel motivated, feel free to PM me. I would rather not bog down the thread with such stuff. | ||
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On March 31 2015 10:24 Holyflare wrote: what DID you do Claimed actions to you and Kita by PM. | ||
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So for example, I could double bus a mafia read and a town read, but there are all sorts of risks to this. What of the mafia read gets vigged? What if the mafia read gets checked and flips green. Sure there are converse rewards (mafia eating their own KP for example), but I'm not nearly active enough in PM's to know what's going on and trust my "BIG PLAY" ability. Hence, playing risk averse. | ||
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Even if I could, there were people talking about shooting me last night, and I would not be inclined to redirect such a shot to a town-read. | ||
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On April 01 2015 00:09 rsoultin wrote: lol frankly if he doesn't want to "risk" anything you just don't use your power to begin with not rocket science are you dumb hapa or do you just think we are? Well you don't know the details of my role. Using abilities builds up "points" for me to use something later on. So yes, I have to use that ability. Sudoku, etc. | ||
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He has solved the game and you have to sheep him. | ||
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On April 01 2015 00:36 LightningStrike wrote: That sarcasm :O Yeah. I was worried he'd be on suicide watch after his performance in XXX, but thankfully he has a short memory. | ||
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