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Fine, because of yamato, /in Also reduced activity still applies. Don't expect more than 1 page per 24h.
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On April 20 2015 19:56 Breshke wrote: I'm not sure if im ready to be the weak link in this player list haha. We need some lynchbait though
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On April 20 2015 20:35 Palmar wrote: /in I'm going to be very sad if we both roll town and you try lynching me again.
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On April 20 2015 20:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Be careful what you wish for Artanis :D I actually like playing with Breshke though, found him quite reasonable in the last game we played.
On April 20 2015 20:56 marvellosity wrote: that's Palmar's strat sorted then Now you're making me sad.
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On April 20 2015 23:50 Trfel wrote: I'm sure that Artanis approves of the way you spelled his name. Please, don't change it.
I wasn't expecting this to start so quickly o.O But I will play anyway, it should be fun! Even if I am very much out of place. Actually, the spelling is fine, the capitalization is not.
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On April 21 2015 09:24 yamato77 wrote: I told wave he'd be the day 1 lynch
let's make it happen, people
##vote: waveofshadow I'm ok with any lynch that isn't me since I need to overtake kita in the not lynched as town percentage tab. Therefore, any lynch that is not me furthers this condition and I support this lynch. ##Vote WaveofShadow
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On April 21 2015 09:46 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 09:34 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:32 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 09:31 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 09:24 yamato77 wrote: I told wave he'd be the day 1 lynch
let's make it happen, people
##vote: waveofshadow I'm ok with any lynch that isn't me since I need to overtake kita in the not lynched as town percentage tab. Therefore, any lynch that is not me furthers this condition and I support this lynch. ##Vote WaveofShadow tentative town read for this post. lol seriously? xP Yeah haha all jokes aside in my limited experiance with art ive never seen him mention stats before so him referencing town stats and relating it to this game just seems like a weird way for a scum artanis to open. This is obviously very weak hence the tentative part. so you don't find it odd at all that he managed to enter with a post implying that he's town (via the stats comment) plus over-explaining what should be a joke-sheep of a joke-vote? by over-explaining i mean: On April 21 2015 09:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ##vote: waveofshadow I'm ok with any lynch that isn't me since I need to overtake kita in the not lynched as town percentage tab. Therefore, any lynch that is not me furthers this condition and I support this lynch. ##Vote WaveofShadow why even include the bolded sentence when it's clear in the first lol >< if anything that deserves a light scum lean, not a light town lean fitting awkwardly into the joking phase like that Ehh I disagree. I don't see it as that awkward or over explainy really. I didn't/don't really see it as awkward either. Nor do i really think that awkward always equals scum. Do you think her reading into it in that way says anything about her alignment?
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On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re I'm bagging all these town points and lynching you with them for free. Thanks bud <3
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On April 21 2015 09:55 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 09:46 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 09:34 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:32 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 09:31 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 09:24 yamato77 wrote: I told wave he'd be the day 1 lynch
let's make it happen, people
##vote: waveofshadow I'm ok with any lynch that isn't me since I need to overtake kita in the not lynched as town percentage tab. Therefore, any lynch that is not me furthers this condition and I support this lynch. ##Vote WaveofShadow tentative town read for this post. lol seriously? xP Yeah haha all jokes aside in my limited experiance with art ive never seen him mention stats before so him referencing town stats and relating it to this game just seems like a weird way for a scum artanis to open. This is obviously very weak hence the tentative part. so you don't find it odd at all that he managed to enter with a post implying that he's town (via the stats comment) plus over-explaining what should be a joke-sheep of a joke-vote? by over-explaining i mean: On April 21 2015 09:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ##vote: waveofshadow I'm ok with any lynch that isn't me since I need to overtake kita in the not lynched as town percentage tab. Therefore, any lynch that is not me furthers this condition and I support this lynch. ##Vote WaveofShadow why even include the bolded sentence when it's clear in the first lol >< if anything that deserves a light scum lean, not a light town lean fitting awkwardly into the joking phase like that Ehh I disagree. I don't see it as that awkward or over explainy really. I didn't/don't really see it as awkward either. Nor do i really think that awkward always equals scum. Do you think her reading into it in that way says anything about her alignment? No because i can see how she would see it that way I actually think it makes her slightly likelier to be town as I find it unlikely scum would go in against a tone read of another player right off the bat.
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On April 21 2015 09:59 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 09:55 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 09:46 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 09:34 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:32 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 09:31 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [quote] I'm ok with any lynch that isn't me since I need to overtake kita in the not lynched as town percentage tab. Therefore, any lynch that is not me furthers this condition and I support this lynch. ##Vote WaveofShadow tentative town read for this post. lol seriously? xP Yeah haha all jokes aside in my limited experiance with art ive never seen him mention stats before so him referencing town stats and relating it to this game just seems like a weird way for a scum artanis to open. This is obviously very weak hence the tentative part. so you don't find it odd at all that he managed to enter with a post implying that he's town (via the stats comment) plus over-explaining what should be a joke-sheep of a joke-vote? by over-explaining i mean: On April 21 2015 09:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ##vote: waveofshadow I'm ok with any lynch that isn't me since I need to overtake kita in the not lynched as town percentage tab. Therefore, any lynch that is not me furthers this condition and I support this lynch. ##Vote WaveofShadow why even include the bolded sentence when it's clear in the first lol >< if anything that deserves a light scum lean, not a light town lean fitting awkwardly into the joking phase like that Ehh I disagree. I don't see it as that awkward or over explainy really. I didn't/don't really see it as awkward either. Nor do i really think that awkward always equals scum. Do you think her reading into it in that way says anything about her alignment? No because i can see how she would see it that way I actually think it makes her slightly likelier to be town as I find it unlikely scum would go in against a tone read of another player right off the bat. I have no way to prove this but i actually had it written that it was slightly townie because i find her to be a lot more neutral as scum You get a tentative townread for this post. More free towncred to the first person to correctly point out why.
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On April 21 2015 10:05 rsoultin wrote: -sits on artanis' head-
i earn my towncred ^^
yay chicken!
i like yama and palmar this game so far
go, minions, and do interesting things -shoos the rest- You seem to have missed the helmet I'm wearing with tons of little, very sharp spikes on top.
*laughs*
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On April 21 2015 14:28 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 09:59 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 09:55 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 09:46 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 09:34 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:32 rsoultin wrote: [quote]
lol seriously? xP Yeah haha all jokes aside in my limited experiance with art ive never seen him mention stats before so him referencing town stats and relating it to this game just seems like a weird way for a scum artanis to open. This is obviously very weak hence the tentative part. so you don't find it odd at all that he managed to enter with a post implying that he's town (via the stats comment) plus over-explaining what should be a joke-sheep of a joke-vote? by over-explaining i mean: On April 21 2015 09:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ##vote: waveofshadow I'm ok with any lynch that isn't me since I need to overtake kita in the not lynched as town percentage tab. Therefore, any lynch that is not me furthers this condition and I support this lynch. ##Vote WaveofShadow why even include the bolded sentence when it's clear in the first lol >< if anything that deserves a light scum lean, not a light town lean fitting awkwardly into the joking phase like that Ehh I disagree. I don't see it as that awkward or over explainy really. I didn't/don't really see it as awkward either. Nor do i really think that awkward always equals scum. Do you think her reading into it in that way says anything about her alignment? No because i can see how she would see it that way I actually think it makes her slightly likelier to be town as I find it unlikely scum would go in against a tone read of another player right off the bat. I have no way to prove this but i actually had it written that it was slightly townie because i find her to be a lot more neutral as scum You get a tentative townread for this post. More free towncred to the first person to correctly point out why. Mafia wouldn't bother with suggesting something and admitting that it can't be proved in the same post, this early on, when it doesn't matter like this. Right? Pretty much. It's something that you have absolutely no reason to post as scum because it doesn't achieve anything, yet when you're town it's something you may say because it was in the back of your mind, a very human response. Actually having thought about it, I could see scum saying it, but I do think it's a lot likelier from town.
Arsoul, why is it bad that someone else explains something I've pinged?
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On April 21 2015 21:06 Palmar wrote: ##vote WaveofShadow
I think this is a good vote.
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I would like you to try hard to remember.
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I'm kind of around. Doing some poker stuff on the site. ##Unvote
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On April 22 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 19:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 14:28 Trfel wrote:On April 21 2015 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 09:59 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 09:55 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 09:46 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:37 rsoultin wrote:[quote] so you don't find it odd at all that he managed to enter with a post implying that he's town (via the stats comment) plus over-explaining what should be a joke-sheep of a joke-vote? by over-explaining i mean: [quote] why even include the bolded sentence when it's clear in the first lol >< if anything that deserves a light scum lean, not a light town lean fitting awkwardly into the joking phase like that Ehh I disagree. I don't see it as that awkward or over explainy really. I didn't/don't really see it as awkward either. Nor do i really think that awkward always equals scum. Do you think her reading into it in that way says anything about her alignment? No because i can see how she would see it that way I actually think it makes her slightly likelier to be town as I find it unlikely scum would go in against a tone read of another player right off the bat. I have no way to prove this but i actually had it written that it was slightly townie because i find her to be a lot more neutral as scum You get a tentative townread for this post. More free towncred to the first person to correctly point out why. Mafia wouldn't bother with suggesting something and admitting that it can't be proved in the same post, this early on, when it doesn't matter like this. Right? Pretty much. It's something that you have absolutely no reason to post as scum because it doesn't achieve anything, yet when you're town it's something you may say because it was in the back of your mind, a very human response. Actually having thought about it, I could see scum saying it, but I do think it's a lot likelier from town. Arsoul, why is it bad that someone else explains something I've pinged? so i can't decide which is more boring here, the fact that if you're taking me seriously the obvious is escaping you, or the fact that if you're taking me seriously in my posts to mostly inactive trfel you're already wrong xP you've got nothing more interesting to talk about? I figured it was a comment that had some seriosity to it but was also meant as a joke. Also, most of your post was talking about reads which I presumed was quite serious.
As for more interesting things to talk about, not many interesting things have happened so far. As for Damdred, slight town lean on him for confidence, something I think Toad pointed out as a towntell for him in Imperial (though Toad was mafia there, I don't think he was trying to misguide me as he was giving a townread on a townie). His reads post was kinda weird but meh, early Damdred tends to be weird.
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Hm, I can see what you're saying Wave. Looking back I do feel like he's pulling a bit of a character though, which leads me to believe the confidence thing isn't really alignment indicative in this case.
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@Arsoul
Now you make it sound like your comment was in fact serious. What is scummy about what Trfel did there?
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On April 22 2015 04:21 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 04:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hm, I can see what you're saying Wave. Looking back I do feel like he's pulling a bit of a character though, which leads me to believe the confidence thing isn't really alignment indicative in this case. Same thing as per to rsoultin above; no stick in meta reads so that's all the same to me. Is it weird that I've come to expect Palmar being Palmar and was curious as to you prodding him for vote reasoning? Palmar seemed to suggest he did have a reason for voting you, so getting it out seems like a good idea.
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I'm kind of in favour of waiting until BH and Palmar do something. We have all the time in the world this game, mind as well make them do some work.
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Plus that gives me an excuse to play GTA V once it's installed.
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On April 22 2015 06:02 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:48 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:41 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah jsut fucking do it already. Every single game. Literally EVERY game I start i contribute in every possible way I can and people call me scum for it. It's so goddamn silly.
Like...fucking meta but show me one game where i don't complain. ANY GAME.
when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things I'll talk to you about the truffle post if you want! I thought that it was a really well-constructed post. Especially the part about why WaveofShadow is town, lol >< the part about he'd know if he was looking at his scum QT and he definitely would check his scum QT and his scum partner definitely wouldn't be inactive? xP oh yes, it was amazing, truffle -golf claps- Oh, why thank you! I always knew I was amazing, but now I know why! In all seriousness, what do you make of Blazinghand so far? in all seriousness? you're asking me about the one-post wonder? -yawn- talk to me about people who have been posting ^^ I suppose you're right, it's best for me to keep my thoughts about Blazinghand to myself for the time being. I hope that you are curious. I suppose Artanis looks the most suspicious to me so far. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 05:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm kind of in favour of waiting until BH and Palmar do something. We have all the time in the world this game, mind as well make them do some work. Why didn't I make the list? Why is he so content to wait? I noticed that Artanis was probing with questions for information earlier, but lately he's dropped off, and now this quote. You have made a post that actually contained reads, they haven't (unless you want to count Palmar's unsubstantiated comments on rso and wave 'reads'.)
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On April 22 2015 06:06 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 06:02 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:48 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:41 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah jsut fucking do it already. Every single game. Literally EVERY game I start i contribute in every possible way I can and people call me scum for it. It's so goddamn silly.
Like...fucking meta but show me one game where i don't complain. ANY GAME.
when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things I'll talk to you about the truffle post if you want! I thought that it was a really well-constructed post. Especially the part about why WaveofShadow is town, lol >< the part about he'd know if he was looking at his scum QT and he definitely would check his scum QT and his scum partner definitely wouldn't be inactive? xP oh yes, it was amazing, truffle -golf claps- Oh, why thank you! I always knew I was amazing, but now I know why! In all seriousness, what do you make of Blazinghand so far? in all seriousness? you're asking me about the one-post wonder? -yawn- talk to me about people who have been posting ^^ I suppose you're right, it's best for me to keep my thoughts about Blazinghand to myself for the time being. I hope that you are curious. I suppose Artanis looks the most suspicious to me so far. On April 22 2015 05:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm kind of in favour of waiting until BH and Palmar do something. We have all the time in the world this game, mind as well make them do some work. Why didn't I make the list? Why is he so content to wait? I noticed that Artanis was probing with questions for information earlier, but lately he's dropped off, and now this quote. what's the scum-motivation for this? Imagine you are Artanis in this game. The game starts, you need to establish your thread presence, because that's what people expect of you. You start asking questions and probing, but the thread degenerates into random arguing and yelling, and is low on activity and quality. You've already contributed to the discussion and made your presence known, and if everyone else isn't going to make serious reads, there's no need to continue. Time to relax and sit back until town pulls itself together. Imagine you're Artanis in this game. You see two players that can be great as town doing fuck all. There is no hard deadline. You force them to participate by taking a back seat and take your time.
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On April 22 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote: That doesn't force anything. They'll participate if they feel like it this game. Well, they can continue to do nothing, and then we can lynch them then bitch about them not playing to their win condition. The point is, we can give them time due to there not being a hard deadline, so there's no excuses for them not to participate.
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On April 22 2015 06:13 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 06:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 22 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote: That doesn't force anything. They'll participate if they feel like it this game. Well, they can continue to do nothing, and then we can lynch them then bitch about them not playing to their win condition. The point is, we can give them time due to there not being a hard deadline, so there's no excuses for them not to participate. artanis, is this seriously your plan this game? Is there any point to this question?
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On April 22 2015 06:17 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 22 2015 06:06 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 06:02 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:48 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:41 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote: [quote]
when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things I'll talk to you about the truffle post if you want! I thought that it was a really well-constructed post. Especially the part about why WaveofShadow is town, lol >< the part about he'd know if he was looking at his scum QT and he definitely would check his scum QT and his scum partner definitely wouldn't be inactive? xP oh yes, it was amazing, truffle -golf claps- Oh, why thank you! I always knew I was amazing, but now I know why! In all seriousness, what do you make of Blazinghand so far? in all seriousness? you're asking me about the one-post wonder? -yawn- talk to me about people who have been posting ^^ I suppose you're right, it's best for me to keep my thoughts about Blazinghand to myself for the time being. I hope that you are curious. I suppose Artanis looks the most suspicious to me so far. On April 22 2015 05:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm kind of in favour of waiting until BH and Palmar do something. We have all the time in the world this game, mind as well make them do some work. Why didn't I make the list? Why is he so content to wait? I noticed that Artanis was probing with questions for information earlier, but lately he's dropped off, and now this quote. what's the scum-motivation for this? Imagine you are Artanis in this game. The game starts, you need to establish your thread presence, because that's what people expect of you. You start asking questions and probing, but the thread degenerates into random arguing and yelling, and is low on activity and quality. You've already contributed to the discussion and made your presence known, and if everyone else isn't going to make serious reads, there's no need to continue. Time to relax and sit back until town pulls itself together. Imagine you're Artanis in this game. You see two players that can be great as town doing fuck all. There is no hard deadline. You force them to participate by taking a back seat and take your time. I give up. Rsoultin is slow, and she's probably town anyway. I agree, you aren't forcing them to participate. Furthermore, in Palmar's case, he trolls quite often. As town. And it's not a weekend, so I don't know why you think more time would help. I skimmed your filter in Linux Mafia, and you didn't seem to mind Palmar's trolling all that much, I got the impression that you worked around it. None of the other games are comparable because they have hard deadlines. This game doesn't. That's a very big difference.
My play isn't very useful if you all put your attention on me though. Palmar trolls, but when he's at risk of getting lynched, he will play to his win condition. Same is true for BH (for the most part).
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On April 22 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 06:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 22 2015 06:17 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 22 2015 06:06 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 06:02 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:48 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote: [quote]
lol ><
the part about he'd know if he was looking at his scum QT and he definitely would check his scum QT and his scum partner definitely wouldn't be inactive? xP
oh yes, it was amazing, truffle
-golf claps- Oh, why thank you! I always knew I was amazing, but now I know why! In all seriousness, what do you make of Blazinghand so far? in all seriousness? you're asking me about the one-post wonder? -yawn- talk to me about people who have been posting ^^ I suppose you're right, it's best for me to keep my thoughts about Blazinghand to myself for the time being. I hope that you are curious. I suppose Artanis looks the most suspicious to me so far. On April 22 2015 05:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm kind of in favour of waiting until BH and Palmar do something. We have all the time in the world this game, mind as well make them do some work. Why didn't I make the list? Why is he so content to wait? I noticed that Artanis was probing with questions for information earlier, but lately he's dropped off, and now this quote. what's the scum-motivation for this? Imagine you are Artanis in this game. The game starts, you need to establish your thread presence, because that's what people expect of you. You start asking questions and probing, but the thread degenerates into random arguing and yelling, and is low on activity and quality. You've already contributed to the discussion and made your presence known, and if everyone else isn't going to make serious reads, there's no need to continue. Time to relax and sit back until town pulls itself together. Imagine you're Artanis in this game. You see two players that can be great as town doing fuck all. There is no hard deadline. You force them to participate by taking a back seat and take your time. I give up. Rsoultin is slow, and she's probably town anyway. I agree, you aren't forcing them to participate. Furthermore, in Palmar's case, he trolls quite often. As town. And it's not a weekend, so I don't know why you think more time would help. I skimmed your filter in Linux Mafia, and you didn't seem to mind Palmar's trolling all that much, I got the impression that you worked around it. None of the other games are comparable because they have hard deadlines. This game doesn't. That's a very big difference. My play isn't very useful if you all put your attention on me though. Palmar trolls, but when he's at risk of getting lynched, he will play to his win condition. Same is true for BH (for the most part). But I'm doubtful that it's worth stopping playing the game over? You can play the game, promote discussion, and then decide to pressure or lynch Palmar anyway. You can play the game and let Blazinghand know that if he doesn't come back at the time he said he would, he will be lynched. How am I not playing the game right now? I'm responding to you pressing me on something that really isn't alignment indicative. If anything, it's town indicative since as mafia I'd probably want as short a day as possible.
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"Let's wait for BH and Palmar to do shit." "OMG HES GONNA WAIT AND DO NOTHING ALL DAY LOOK FOCUS ON HIM INSTEAD OF THE TWO GUYS DOING NOTHING AND PRESS HIM ON SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE FOR OVER A PAGE AND DIVERT ALL ATTENTION AWAY FROM THEM IMMEDIATELY AND MAKE SURE BH/PALMAR DEFINITELY DON'T FEEL ANY PRESSURE"
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Yes look at all the waiting I'm doing.
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On April 22 2015 06:32 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 06:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yes look at all the waiting I'm doing. you're responding to PRESSURE you aren't the one doing the pressing big difference I'm responding to idiots being idiots and it's unfortunate as I could have spent that time playing GTA5.
Actually, I couldn't because it's not installed yet, but that's semantics.
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On April 22 2015 06:39 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 22 2015 06:32 yamato77 wrote:On April 22 2015 06:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yes look at all the waiting I'm doing. you're responding to PRESSURE you aren't the one doing the pressing big difference I'm responding to idiots being idiots and it's unfortunate as I could have spent that time playing GTA5. Actually, I couldn't because it's not installed yet, but that's semantics. so you freely admit you don't actually care to play the game beyond wasting time waiting for Palmar/BH? alright ##unvote ##Vote: Artanis I'd be happy to spend that time doing analysis, but I'm not exactly in the mood for that anymore after the idiocy that went down, so yeah, I'm just gonna go and chill for today.
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Dunno what to think of the BH post. I think I could make a better one for Yamato, but that doesn't make him scum.
I actually think Trfel is my biggest scumread atm. In LXX, it was extremely difficult to get him to townread me. I literally had to move mountains (still tired) before he stopped being suspicious of me. This game, he randomly decided to get suspicious of me due to that post where I said I'd wait for Palmar/BH, then after a few posts on it he randomly decided I'm a townlean again. I sense a lack of true suspicion in him; it feels like he's just trying to push whatever seems easiest to push at the time. He's also giving off a lot of free townreads which doesn't fit into the suspicious Trfel I've played with in LXX. He feels far too ironclad in his opinions.
##Vote Trfel
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Wave commented on all the people that voted for him. I don't see anything wrong with that.
As for the Breshke vote thing, it's odd but not really scummy at all. He could've gone any which way on Breshke and make up any reason once he found that out. Why would he have a change of heart and go from scumreading to townreading Breshke as mafia?
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On April 22 2015 21:12 WaveofShadow wrote: That's your ironclad reasoning palmar? Calling me scum for shit I've already explained in thread and saying 'I don't know what yamato is doing?'
Gj
Artanis any thoughts on BH at all? Did you read what I wrote? I don't like his unwillingness to comment on other things. I don't like his case on Damdred particularly either. As has been said, it's a narrative. Seems like a good chance to flip scum.
I need to do some more work on Trfel and flesh my read on him out but I have to leave for theater in a sec. Will get something done later tonight. Kinda annoyed no one's commented on him since I called him scummy but you though.
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It means you're just pointing out things and creating a story behind why it makes him scum when it's just as possible to create a story behind it from a town perspective.
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Hi, just got home. Anything urgent that needs attention now?
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On April 23 2015 07:11 Damdred wrote: yes you just got hammered artani I need you to post your final reads I've posted my reads in the thread already my friend.
On April 23 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 07:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hi, just got home. Anything urgent that needs attention now? can you flesh out your read on truffle for me please? not necessarily urgent, but i want to know why you don't like bh but still are on truffle...your metaread isn't really resonating with me the way i'd expect it to I'll work on that soonish. I just feel like the flip from scummy on me to townie on me was far too 'easy' for how I've experienced him in the past. That set alarm bells off, but I haven't had the time to dig into him further yet.
I don't like BH in that I don't think he's done anything particularly townie and done a few things that are bad. I just have no idea if the bad things make him scum. BH is particularly tough to read and I'm not sure it'll ever become clearer in the future so I don't oppose the lynch either. With a few townreads in the thread and him not being one of them I'm fine with his lynch, but am not confident enough in him flipping scum to vote for him at this juncture.
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Can anyone concisely explain why they're suspicious of me other than not posting as much which I've already mentioned I would pregame and have done in the last game I've played as well (and flipped town in but is ongoing so shh)?
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On April 23 2015 07:26 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 07:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can anyone concisely explain why they're suspicious of me other than not posting as much which I've already mentioned I would pregame and have done in the last game I've played as well (and flipped town in but is ongoing so shh)? your contributions don't impress me ^^ what's more valuable is you doing the work you'd said you'd do on truffle so i can get a better read on you i don't care if you're posting less. that's whatever. what i do expect, though, if you've decided to post less is higher quality posting The posting less is a consequence of spending less time on the game, which is what the real reason for posting less is for me. Creating quality posts costs time too, therefore it seems unreasonable to expect consistent high quality posts as it'd still require a lot of time. I feel the observations I've had have been decent so far, though.
Reading Trfel, I don't understand his read progression on me at all. He had me as scummy leaning for my comment on waiting for Palmar/BH (which I feel is a dumb reason, but ok), then town for the way I replied to it, then said this about me:
Artanis is probably town, though I haven't carefully read the section of the thread in which he was posting. His questions are not only motivated at making reads, but also increasing the thread motivation. While he could do this as scum, I don't think it's terribly likely. In addition to the way that he responded to my pressure on him (previously described), I feel that Artanis is likely town. So at this point he feels I'm likely town.
On April 23 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:05 rsoultin wrote: talk to me about artie and damdy -flops on- or about part of my list you disagree with
artie just seems...i dunnae, like people keep saying he's doing stuff but off the top of my head i can't really recall what aside from being charitable about my negative toneread on his entrance vote xP Yeah, in retrospect, Artanis hasn't been doing as much as I thought. What he has been doing, though, has been in the right direction. I'm not sure how much of this is due to his post count restriction, and how much of it is due to my annoying him yesterday.Damdred's tone looks really good for him here. And while some of the things he is doing seem strange, I don't see the mafia motivation, and he has seemingly tried to get more information into the thread. I don't think that he is scum. Weakening off his townread on me a little, but still maintains that what I'm doing is in the right direction.
On April 23 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote: He scum read Trfel. And actually as I recall that read is mostly based on meta and contrary to your read soniv kind of interested to see how that plays out.
Also don't quite get that yamato read Trfel. well, that's easy, wave lol >< i'm right the really question is whether or not it's reasonable for artie to be wrong about truffle and still town (truffle is a super easy read imo) meh guess i should actually read artanis' filter :/ I think that Artanis's scumread of me actually looks good for him. He makes a good point, and that's the sort of read that I expect from him. Would he do that as mafia? Not sure, but I think that he knows that he won't mislynch me this game (or at least, he will need much more evidence first). I'm still leaning town on Artanis, though is absence is concerning me. Does he agree with the Blazinghand wagon? If not, he should be here and trying to stop it. At the time of his last post, there were four votes on Blazinghand. If anything looks suspicious, that is it. He doesn't care if Blazinghand is lynched or not. So he was leaning town on me, then finds another reason to lean town on me (scumreading him).
On April 23 2015 06:30 Trfel wrote: I take it back, I just have terrible reading comprehension.
Artanis did comment on Blazinghand, first not convinced that he was scum due to his case, and then felt that it was an okay lynch due to the followup. Maybe I need to get my eyes checked.
It isn't a very large or amazing amount of information on Blazinghand, but I suppose I can see it from the perspective who sees an okay lynch, but also sees everyone ignoring what is (in his opinion) a better lynch. Aaand another reason to townread me. So that's two more reasons to townread me after leaning town on me earlier.
On April 23 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:34 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 22 2015 21:12 WaveofShadow wrote: That's your ironclad reasoning palmar? Calling me scum for shit I've already explained in thread and saying 'I don't know what yamato is doing?'
Gj
Artanis any thoughts on BH at all? Did you read what I wrote? I don't like his unwillingness to comment on other things. I don't like his case on Damdred particularly either. As has been said, it's a narrative. Seems like a good chance to flip scum. I need to do some more work on Trfel and flesh my read on him out but I have to leave for theater in a sec. Will get something done later tonight. Kinda annoyed no one's commented on him since I called him scummy but you though. mmm or maybe just benching the read for later? okay i guess i can give artie some space to see what comes of this It seemed to me that Artanis would be back later to finish his read on me. Artanis is sort of null, I suppose, given both his semi-weak stance on Blazinghand and not having the thread leadership that I thought he did at a glance.I expect scum to be among Artanis, yamato77, and maybe Breshke, even though I can't demonstrate that any of them are clear scum yet. What happened? I don't understand this progression at all.
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BH deserves to be lynched for not posting the British Empire Mafia post-game analysis anyway.
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@Arsoul Yeah, I'm aware of that. If he felt any of his reasons weren't good though, I'd imagine he'd have said something along the lines of "I didn't think of that" but your arguments weren't really bringing anything new to the table. I can't imagine that with the strength in the words he was saying he'd be swayed by what you said.
Also, as for your meta read on Trfel... You claimed to have a strong meta read for LS too, then you proceeded to misread him twice when he rolled scum twice. I'm sorry, but I don't hold too much faith in that.
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On April 23 2015 07:45 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 07:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BH deserves to be lynched for not posting the British Empire Mafia post-game analysis anyway. So you consent to the BH lynch, Artanis? or...? I don't oppose it. I honestly have no idea what he'll flip but a bunch of people look townier and I don't think I'll ever be confident in reading him as town so him going today is fine.
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On April 23 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 07:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: @Arsoul Yeah, I'm aware of that. If he felt any of his reasons weren't good though, I'd imagine he'd have said something along the lines of "I didn't think of that" but your arguments weren't really bringing anything new to the table. I can't imagine that with the strength in the words he was saying he'd be swayed by what you said.
Also, as for your meta read on Trfel... You claimed to have a strong meta read for LS too, then you proceeded to misread him twice when he rolled scum twice. I'm sorry, but I don't hold too much faith in that. lol the fucking difference here artanis is i've actually caught truffle as scum and as 3rd party, so you can be high-and-mighty about the fact that i've been wrong on people before if you want...and i probably will be again, and probably on truffle, too...but that doesn't undermine the accuracy at reading him that i've shown up to this point Didn't you catch LS as mafia in his first game too?
I'm not getting high-and-mighty at all. I'm simply pointing out that you've been wrong plenty of times before, so saying "I'm telling you he isn't scum" is not very convincing to me. I need reasons.
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On April 23 2015 07:53 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 07:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 23 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 07:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: @Arsoul Yeah, I'm aware of that. If he felt any of his reasons weren't good though, I'd imagine he'd have said something along the lines of "I didn't think of that" but your arguments weren't really bringing anything new to the table. I can't imagine that with the strength in the words he was saying he'd be swayed by what you said.
Also, as for your meta read on Trfel... You claimed to have a strong meta read for LS too, then you proceeded to misread him twice when he rolled scum twice. I'm sorry, but I don't hold too much faith in that. lol the fucking difference here artanis is i've actually caught truffle as scum and as 3rd party, so you can be high-and-mighty about the fact that i've been wrong on people before if you want...and i probably will be again, and probably on truffle, too...but that doesn't undermine the accuracy at reading him that i've shown up to this point Didn't you catch LS as mafia in his first game too? I'm not getting high-and-mighty at all. I'm simply pointing out that you've been wrong plenty of times before, so saying "I'm telling you he isn't scum" is not very convincing to me. I need reasons. i've given reasons several times. if you're ignoring them, that's on you Several times? This is the only one I can find ctrl-f'ing truffle in your filter.
On April 23 2015 06:25 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote: He scum read Trfel. And actually as I recall that read is mostly based on meta and contrary to your read soniv kind of interested to see how that plays out.
Also don't quite get that yamato read Trfel. well, that's easy, wave lol >< i'm right the really question is whether or not it's reasonable for artie to be wrong about truffle and still town (truffle is a super easy read imo) meh guess i should actually read artanis' filter :/ I dunno I guess maybe i should appreciate your 100 percent correct t rate on Trfel but it's a pretty nebulous read/concept for me to have to accept in a game based in cases/evidence. if you don't like meta and you don't like tone i'm kinda wasting my time detailing it anyway, with the added issue of perhaps alerting truffle to what the red flags in his play are when he's scum/3rd party... i don't mind going more in depth, but if you just look at his play here you see the effort he's been putting in (sporadically, but still) coupled with an almost carelessness about how others read his actions...the voting gooberliness, mainly plus i think it's actually quite townie for someone to go...hey guys i'm writing a case on x...oh nevermind there's really not anything there that definitively makes x scum Which I guess I can work with. He's only played one scumgame according to the DB so far though (Student) where he got copchecked as scum on D2. Not much to work with, especially since I coached him that game and gave him a bunch of tips I'd expect him to incorporate into his play.
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Meh, as 3rd party you don't really have a team. I'd consider that different.
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On April 23 2015 08:13 rsoultin wrote:meh >< i kinda hate this cause people asking me about tone/meta reads is not something i'm good at explaining. i kept yelling at people to lynch rayn in guardians but my explanation wasn't good enough for anyone xP naturally he was scum nnnnnn so when i think of town truffle i think of a truffle who is not afraid of how he looks - silly votes on artie and unvoting to become the hammer vote on bh when i think of town truffle, i think of a truffle whose reads tend to change a lot until he starts tunneling - the read progressions on you and yamato that you both found "odd"...example of tunneling would be tere >< when i think of town truffle, i think of a sarcastic twit lol >< - this is where i started townreading him: Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 05:48 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:41 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah jsut fucking do it already. Every single game. Literally EVERY game I start i contribute in every possible way I can and people call me scum for it. It's so goddamn silly.
Like...fucking meta but show me one game where i don't complain. ANY GAME.
when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things I'll talk to you about the truffle post if you want! I thought that it was a really well-constructed post. Especially the part about why WaveofShadow is town, lol >< the part about he'd know if he was looking at his scum QT and he definitely would check his scum QT and his scum partner definitely wouldn't be inactive? xP oh yes, it was amazing, truffle -golf claps- Oh, why thank you! I always knew I was amazing, but now I know why! In all seriousness, what do you make of Blazinghand so far? when i think of a town truffle, i think of a devil's advocate, much like breshke - there are several instances where he argued the opposite point of view as a possibility, if not necessarily what he himself believed ^ that is what makes up my read on a town truffle, and i don't know how to make that helpful to the rest of the thread. i've been very successful with it Need to think this over, but since the only choice is between no lynching and lynching BH for today that can wait for a sec.
There's this sequence of posts of BH where he complains about people calling his case a narrative, then follows it up by asking what a "narrative" is. He does put it under quotations suggesting he meant the way we use the word, but I still find it odd he refers to it as something where he knows what it is first, then suddenly doesn't know. + Show Spoiler [posts] +On April 23 2015 00:07 Blazinghand wrote: Complain about context or narratives all you want, Damdred has never shown a shred of town motivation or logic yo his read progression. If my truth is too much for you then lynch me and behold the spectacle of your incompetence. I suppose the time when one could only be available for five hours per day have passed, even though I have possibly written and thought about this game more than everyone else. I will not bow to your disgusting threats. I will not be coerced into becoming something worse for your twisted ideals.
If I'm alive when I get home I'll save us all. Otherwise, should I die for your ignorance, I will view the departure with as much relief as disgust. On April 23 2015 00:27 Blazinghand wrote: what's a "narrative"
wtf
it's a post by post analysis, of course it's "narrative", I'm literally narrating what the dude did, how is that even an objection to it. that's like saying "it's a case" therefore it's bad
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On April 23 2015 08:29 Palmar wrote: Breshke is my #1 town He 's been my #1 town since before it was cool.
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He was my #1 town before the game even began.
On April 20 2015 21:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Be careful what you wish for Artanis :D I actually like playing with Breshke though, found him quite reasonable in the last game we played. Now you're making me sad.
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I'm probably not going to die regardless so eh. I'm actually kinda happy that tomorrow will be silent since I have work on thursday this week.
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Wave, could you explain why you completely trust me?
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I definitely don't want to lynch Yamato today or probably any day. His mafia game is much worse than what he's shown so far and he cares too much.
Damdred's Trfel case is bad. Doubt is a town trait for Trfel. What I'm more worried about is that he artifically inserted doubt when I pointed out how his read on me was too strong for his normal towngame, and thus became more doubtful in general.
What's stopping me from going full yolo on a Trfel lynch is that he feels very reasonable. He keeps re-evaluating me (even though I don't understand at all how he comes to his conclusions, on me at least) and seems to be very fluid in his reads, which is something that's very difficult as scum.
I think I want to lynch Palmar today. Trfel said he's been trolling, but I feel like Palmar hasn't really trolled as much as not giving a shit. He's pushed Wave mostly without much reasoning and has just not given a lot of shits about anything else. He made this one terrible list post that didn't have any reasons which Marv once told me is a hallmark of his scumgame (and he hasn't posted any reads lists as town since Imperial whilst he has as scum). His 'town meta' of not doing anything is easily replicable as scum. He's been townread for it before, I see no reason why he wouldn't attempt to replicate it as town.
There's no reason to read Palmar as town, his unsubstantiated reads list is scummy and he hasn't truly trolled in a way that causes people to rise up against him. It's been calculated play. ##Vote Palmar
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On April 25 2015 01:42 Damdred wrote: I'll reread there interactions but I don't think it looks mafiaxmafia. I thought Yamato looked good early decent activity ok content, waves picked up later What is this? Why are you instantly trying to look at them as a scumteam instead of looking at if they're scum individually? What's this unflipped association thing?
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Also, Palmar, are you just going to stop evaluating other people because you think you've found the two scum? Are you that certain in your reads?
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On April 25 2015 01:58 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2015 01:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 25 2015 01:42 Damdred wrote: I'll reread there interactions but I don't think it looks mafiaxmafia. I thought Yamato looked good early decent activity ok content, waves picked up later What is this? Why are you instantly trying to look at them as a scumteam instead of looking at if they're scum individually? What's this unflipped association thing? palmar asked a specific question and I answered it He asked you why you think they're town. He didn't ask if you think they're mafia together.
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On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote: Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline.
I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. What makes you say this?
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##Unvote Palmar reacted pretty much exactly how I'd expect Town!Palmar to reply. Uncompromising and in your face whilst still doing stuff. Need to think about Yamato.
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Meta is great though. Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.
Actually a problem I see in his filter is that he's droning on about the same things over and over again. First WoS, then the thing with me on waiting for Palmar/BH to contribute, and then on BH. He doesn't really re-evaluate anything nor does he share many thoughts on other things than whatever he's chasing at the time.
Could prob lynch/10.
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On April 26 2015 03:00 Damdred wrote: I'm totally ignoring you today Rsoultin on any list post just so you know, you are my top town and i'd never lynch you ever. Well maybe just dpeneds on how angry I am on you, i'll keep my options open just in case you flip scum so i can go see see i knew it.
Besides that the town list goes something like this Damdred Breshke Wave Palmar Yamato Trfel Artanis
From least scummy to most scummy, I could potentially see wave and Palmar swipping slots his case on yamato wasn't really that bad, and his insistence coupleled with the push looks pretty good and his ability to troll early has me having some decent feelings about him I think.
Yamato has probably dropped off the most over the past cycle for me, it is really worrying that hes quit playing right now right when people are starting to talk about him instead of fighting against it. Its a scum trait of his that I've seen in the past so hes dropping pretty fast.
Trfel...trfel.... I thought he was town early with his postings looked pretty decent. Now idk, it looks kind of rough to me. And granted I might just be looking at something badly here, but I still think him trying to invalidate his own read and then not responding to a longer post that I made unless i missed it still has me worrying.
Art even though hes claiming earlier that hes trying not to be so posty hasn't really influenced the game I think, and honestly looks super disinterested in pushing discussion or anything related to game solving. Which is a really broad statement I know, but its just how i feel about him currently. If we're talking about expectations, I could prob lynch you for this post, and in general. So unrefined, something I'm not used to seeing from you. You usually bring out lots of analysis, deep and refined thoughts at some point in the game. We're like 6 days in and I haven't seen any VCA or detailed reasoning on really anyone. You cased Trfel, nothing happened and now suddenly I'm your main scumread. Why? "He hasn't really influenced the game". As for pushing discussion, I haven't had strong suspects in this game as I haven't really found anything yet. If I were scum (I can already hear the cries for WIFOM) I'd probably be pushing something since it doesn't matter what you push, as pushing itself looks good. The fact that I HAVEN'T pushed anything strongly is because of my uncertainty.
Meanwhile, I see a Damdred unwilling to think critically at this juncture in the game, has made a jokey list post and hasn't pushed his main scumread all game except for a vote which he later claimed was just policy to get me to do something.
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Time Damdred voted Trfel:
On April 24 2015 22:20 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 13:58 Trfel wrote:On April 24 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:I'm not sure what else you want me to explain, Art really isn't helping town Trfel at this point is being pretty wordy while showing the thread that her suspicions while leaving doubt in there for a backtack for example Though I'm not very good at meta reads, and I don't have much experience playing with yamato77. For someone who was sure of this read enough o dig up old games, much doubt is put into it and distance is put inbetween in case yamato flips town. Would you rather I be confident in my play to a degree far higher than my skill at mafia warrants? One surefire way to find town players is to look at my scumreads. Here's what I'm thinking, and yamato77 is a scumread of mine. But I see ways that this read could be wrong, so I'm asking and sharing my thoughts. I could keep holding my thoughts to myself, and analyzing him myself, or I could leave it open to the rest of the thread, where everyone is better than me and can analyze this better than I can. It's a matter of honest, not a matter of alignment. I mean, if you want me to push my reads to the end of time, I can do that. If you want me to throw the game for town, I can do that as well. Up to you. 1) Underplaying yourself is one of the scummy things that I believe exists 2) The main issue is that you come out of the gate really strong on Yamato. Heres why I think hes scum, and you line up all these reasons but then at the very read you dismiss yourself and make it seem like you aren't strong on him at all. 3) How do you know its throwing the game if you push your Yamato read forever? If you think hes scum legitimately you wouldn't think you would be throwing the game, if you are scum you know that it will lose the game for town. Hence why you just said "If you want me to throw the game for town" you said for town because you aren't town. ##Vote Trfel
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On April 25 2015 01:48 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2015 01:43 Palmar wrote:On April 25 2015 01:42 Damdred wrote: I'll reread there interactions but I don't think it looks mafiaxmafia. I thought Yamato looked good early decent activity ok content, waves picked up later Half of what Yamato did early was argue with wos only to never follow it up But he didn't really follow up with his other pushes either. That or he just likes to feign complete confidence in his reads without actually being that confident in them.
On April 25 2015 01:53 Trfel wrote: I'm not sure if Palmar has started playing the game seriously yet or not? Can someone please enlighten me?
On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote: Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline.
I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon.
Unless one of these or something else changed your mind on Trfel, why did you make a case on your second biggest scumread instead of your biggest, Damdred?
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On April 26 2015 03:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.
Where did I do this? And no in my experience meta is shit terrible, and I am certainly not marv, one of very few people who can maybe attempt to use it correctly. essentially the call is are we feeling lynchy or do we wait for yamato And frankly by the time 48h rolls around im always feeling lynchy I want to see a flip so I'll sheep rsoul ##unvote ##vote: yamato77 Sorry, I didn't mean that you did this, I meant that I did that.
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On April 26 2015 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 03:20 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 12:08 WaveofShadow wrote: They were real reads before I realized the premise was wrong. And why the fuck do I have to call you town? Why are you fishing for townreads from me yamato? You're behaving so oddly, and it's not even your normal hyper-aggressive early game push that Im used to.
I just wanted to wreck scum with you for once. Just once. Apparently it was too much to ask. from the one who doesn't like to use meta xP It's an observation, and I'm not calling him scum based on that. He's absolutely behaving oddly, even ignoring what I already know of him. Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 03:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 26 2015 03:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.
Where did I do this? And no in my experience meta is shit terrible, and I am certainly not marv, one of very few people who can maybe attempt to use it correctly. essentially the call is are we feeling lynchy or do we wait for yamato And frankly by the time 48h rolls around im always feeling lynchy I want to see a flip so I'll sheep rsoul ##unvote ##vote: yamato77 Sorry, I didn't mean that you did this, I meant that I did that. So that means you found him town earlier based on him pushing some stuff 'cause meta and now you're rethinking it? Basically, yes. I think I might want to lynch Damdred over him though. His list post is followed by a bunch of fluff that doesn't really say anything and doesn't have any of the intricate reads Damdred usually has. It's so unrefined and fluffy, and his apologetic tone on "I know it's pretty global" only compounds it.
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On April 26 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote: Talk to me about Artanis Rsoultin. artie is hard for me to read :/ like...i liked his post about you xP i wouldn't lynch you over yamato but i see a lot of the things he brought up as well. it's sorta a soft defense of yamato? but if yamato is scum i almost feel like it's in artanis' favor to jump on that rather than try to direct the lynch elsewhere i also like how he revisited his truffle read >< and yes i'm aware that this is just me agreeing with what he's saying my problem is i know he has a good scumgame; i've seen him just give up as scum but he came back into today willing to discuss things and reads and i can see his thought progression i kinda feel like it's to scum's advantage to let the thread continue to stagnate, which wasn't the sense i got from him today (or you, for that matter) which is one of the reasons why i'm feeling a bit better about the both of you and a bit worse about truffle A few things really, I felt like today particularly there was a bit more omgus in Artanis for instance in how he dealt with me. Are my reads at that point in the thread substantial? Not really no, are they up to my standards? No not really. But he would rather think i should be the lynch than Yamato? That doesn't necessarily make sense to me in that regard. For instance look at what hes done this day, hes called my case on trfel bad. Which maybe it is, i think that there still might be something there. Voted Palmar unvoted, and then said that I should be the lynch over Yamato. Not sure that there is much reevaluation. Also it is also of note that he didn't get really active for his burst until I pinged him out. Which is interesting. I don't think I was omgusing. I didn't omgus Yamato for scumreading me, nor did I do it to anyone who has. My reasons were based on that you were giving incredibly shallow reads which isn't something you normally do at all.
As for the timing, as I've said, I want to spend less time on the game and so I do. I showed up after I came back from the cinema and had dinner.
On April 26 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 07:04 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote: Talk to me about Artanis Rsoultin. artie is hard for me to read :/ like...i liked his post about you xP i wouldn't lynch you over yamato but i see a lot of the things he brought up as well. it's sorta a soft defense of yamato? but if yamato is scum i almost feel like it's in artanis' favor to jump on that rather than try to direct the lynch elsewhere i also like how he revisited his truffle read >< and yes i'm aware that this is just me agreeing with what he's saying my problem is i know he has a good scumgame; i've seen him just give up as scum but he came back into today willing to discuss things and reads and i can see his thought progression i kinda feel like it's to scum's advantage to let the thread continue to stagnate, which wasn't the sense i got from him today (or you, for that matter) which is one of the reasons why i'm feeling a bit better about the both of you and a bit worse about truffle A few things really, I felt like today particularly there was a bit more omgus in Artanis for instance in how he dealt with me. Are my reads at that point in the thread substantial? Not really no, are they up to my standards? No not really. But he would rather think i should be the lynch than Yamato? That doesn't necessarily make sense to me in that regard. For instance look at what hes done this day, hes called my case on trfel bad. Which maybe it is, i think that there still might be something there. Voted Palmar unvoted, and then said that I should be the lynch over Yamato. Not sure that there is much reevaluation. Also it is also of note that he didn't get really active for his burst until I pinged him out. Which is interesting. hmm that may be true i'd have to take another look at when he started talking :/ and his general read progression on the both of y'all there was definitely re-evaluation on truffle, though, that much i'm sure of and i kinda get the vote palmar, unvote thing...isn't it a thing to push palmar to see how he responds to get a read? i thought it was. i know that palmar typically encourages it, and palmar did come out looking more townie for it lol >< anyway give me a bit to look into that Well one thing to understand about Palmar is in this type of situation what does one vote do? Its no where close to picking up steam he is in peoples POE list but does that guarantee hes going to get up and going just because he has 1/5 votes needed its not pressurish at all imo. It could of turned into that if other people hopped on the wagon, but i'm not so sure about it especially. But Art did push off a Yamato lynch I believe when he first started talking about me after my trfel post earlier in this cycle. And then he said i should be the lynch over Yamato because my reads aren't intricate and mostly fluff. But then he neither pushes Palmar for l ynch really or pushes me to an extent, if you think that Yamato shouldnt' be the lynch and either one of Palmar/Damdred should why would you sit back and really do nothing to influence what people think? I was putting pressure onto Palmar to get a clearer read on him. I wasn't the only one that was suspicious of him and it had a good chance of picking up some speed, so it definitely did put some pressure onto him. Whether that was the reason he started posting better, I dunno, but it helped evaluate my read on him.
As for not pushing lynches, I refer back to not wanting to spend 10 hours a day cheerleading people onto my lynch of choice. I gave my reasons why I think you're scum, I expect people to read them and either sheep them if they like it or vote someone else/engage me if they're not convinced. How have I not tried to influence people into thinking you're scum?
On April 26 2015 07:15 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 07:10 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 07:04 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote: Talk to me about Artanis Rsoultin. artie is hard for me to read :/ like...i liked his post about you xP i wouldn't lynch you over yamato but i see a lot of the things he brought up as well. it's sorta a soft defense of yamato? but if yamato is scum i almost feel like it's in artanis' favor to jump on that rather than try to direct the lynch elsewhere i also like how he revisited his truffle read >< and yes i'm aware that this is just me agreeing with what he's saying my problem is i know he has a good scumgame; i've seen him just give up as scum but he came back into today willing to discuss things and reads and i can see his thought progression i kinda feel like it's to scum's advantage to let the thread continue to stagnate, which wasn't the sense i got from him today (or you, for that matter) which is one of the reasons why i'm feeling a bit better about the both of you and a bit worse about truffle A few things really, I felt like today particularly there was a bit more omgus in Artanis for instance in how he dealt with me. Are my reads at that point in the thread substantial? Not really no, are they up to my standards? No not really. But he would rather think i should be the lynch than Yamato? That doesn't necessarily make sense to me in that regard. For instance look at what hes done this day, hes called my case on trfel bad. Which maybe it is, i think that there still might be something there. Voted Palmar unvoted, and then said that I should be the lynch over Yamato. Not sure that there is much reevaluation. Also it is also of note that he didn't get really active for his burst until I pinged him out. Which is interesting. hmm that may be true i'd have to take another look at when he started talking :/ and his general read progression on the both of y'all there was definitely re-evaluation on truffle, though, that much i'm sure of and i kinda get the vote palmar, unvote thing...isn't it a thing to push palmar to see how he responds to get a read? i thought it was. i know that palmar typically encourages it, and palmar did come out looking more townie for it lol >< anyway give me a bit to look into that Well one thing to understand about Palmar is in this type of situation what does one vote do? Its no where close to picking up steam he is in peoples POE list but does that guarantee hes going to get up and going just because he has 1/5 votes needed its not pressurish at all imo. It could of turned into that if other people hopped on the wagon, but i'm not so sure about it especially. But Art did push off a Yamato lynch I believe when he first started talking about me after my trfel post earlier in this cycle. And then he said i should be the lynch over Yamato because my reads aren't intricate and mostly fluff. But then he neither pushes Palmar for l ynch really or pushes me to an extent, if you think that Yamato shouldnt' be the lynch and either one of Palmar/Damdred should why would you sit back and really do nothing to influence what people think? that's a fair point. i thought he was scumreading yamato though? Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I definitely don't want to lynch Yamato today or probably any day. His mafia game is much worse than what he's shown so far and he cares too much. Just an exert then we have this Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 03:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Meta is great though. Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.
Actually a problem I see in his filter is that he's droning on about the same things over and over again. First WoS, then the thing with me on waiting for Palmar/BH to contribute, and then on BH. He doesn't really re-evaluate anything nor does he share many thoughts on other things than whatever he's chasing at the time.
Could prob lynch/10. Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 03:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 26 2015 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 26 2015 03:20 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 12:08 WaveofShadow wrote: They were real reads before I realized the premise was wrong. And why the fuck do I have to call you town? Why are you fishing for townreads from me yamato? You're behaving so oddly, and it's not even your normal hyper-aggressive early game push that Im used to.
I just wanted to wreck scum with you for once. Just once. Apparently it was too much to ask. from the one who doesn't like to use meta xP It's an observation, and I'm not calling him scum based on that. He's absolutely behaving oddly, even ignoring what I already know of him. On April 26 2015 03:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 26 2015 03:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.
Where did I do this? And no in my experience meta is shit terrible, and I am certainly not marv, one of very few people who can maybe attempt to use it correctly. essentially the call is are we feeling lynchy or do we wait for yamato And frankly by the time 48h rolls around im always feeling lynchy I want to see a flip so I'll sheep rsoul ##unvote ##vote: yamato77 Sorry, I didn't mean that you did this, I meant that I did that. So that means you found him town earlier based on him pushing some stuff 'cause meta and now you're rethinking it? Basically, yes. I think I might want to lynch Damdred over him though. His list post is followed by a bunch of fluff that doesn't really say anything and doesn't have any of the intricate reads Damdred usually has. It's so unrefined and fluffy, and his apologetic tone on "I know it's pretty global" only compounds it. Finally this, i went through Arts filter and there is no Yamato scum read in it. Just things like, I could make better posts but that doesn't make Yamato scum etc., I've said I could lynch him. I'm not sure how much clearer you need it.
This push on me might actually make you more likely to be town though. Hm.
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On April 26 2015 07:49 Damdred wrote: There is not a fundamental difference in how to play mafia even if you aren't spending 10 hours in a game.
You can convince people to vote on the person you want even if you spend 5 posts in a given phase doing so, rather than half heartidly putting shade on people as has been done previously.
For example X shouldnt' be the lynch it should be Y. Is all fine and good if its met with any substantial post explaining why exactly that person is scum which doesn't take a substantial amount of time to do. For example you quoted my read on truffle and then quoted his posts but drew no conclussions at all from my post, nor the implications of what that means.
This is a major red flag, nor do you give any real explanation on why they should lynch me just that I am full of fluff and my reads aren't as intricate. That is not a good reason o lynch someone I made it clear why I thought you were scum: It's Day 2, many hours have passed and you hadn't given any kind of analysis that town!Damdred usually does, whereas you had been posting fluff as well as read progressions I couldn't follow. It doesn't need to be this Eureka! thing or anything like that. You don't need ten reasons to ping someone out. I looked at a few of your towngames and they looked remarkably different in that you gave detailed reasons for your scumreads whereas you didn't here.
I quoted those posts because I saw no read progression from you on Trfel that could explain going from having him as your top scumread to your second.
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On April 26 2015 07:53 rsoultin wrote: artie, thoughts on bresh please
and yeah, i'm out now. ttyl folks...unless y'all start trying to pull a ninja lynch lol >< I haven't re-evaled him since considering him my top townread. His tone is super clear town!Bresh. I did meta him in this way in LXX though, so he might've taken this into account for this game. Will reread soonish.
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I'm around if anyone's here and wants to chat. If not, I'll probably work on some analysis.
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+ Show Spoiler [NK WIFOM] +I don't think it's likely scum didn't shoot on N1. It seems rather risky when there's a potential blue out there so there could be saves etc. I feel it's likely that either a doc saved someone, we have a vet or a RBer blocked scum from shooting. I think if there's a RBer, they should out whom they blocked. Vets/docs obv shouldn't out. I like the post Wave pinged out on Breshke
On April 26 2015 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote: QUOTE]On April 26 2015 06:57 Breshke wrote: I dont have much time ill have to leave soon and be gone for like an hour after deadline but rso your points seems to explain eachother.
I dont have any scunreads just a bunch of townreads then palamar drops a good casr on yama who is.not ome of my townreads so i dont see whats wrong with sheeping this. (what reasons do you even scumread yama for like couldnt you say your reasons are other peoples reasons aswell)
then to find the last scum I PoE and damdred and srt hadnt impressed me today when normally i feel like they are high impact players.
Ehhhhh I find this post hard to come from scum tbh.[/quote] Makes me feel good on both Wave and Bresh because I see exactly what Wave sees here, and I feel like Bresh' game has felt really town in his tone as well. His reason for ending up TRing Rso also looked very genuine. Though it's something I've pointed out his changed tone before and mentioned he could potentially do it as scum, I don't feel like that's the case here. It's just too similar in tone to LXX.
I also think Rsoultin is likely town, not just for contributions but because her reads have really changed consistently throughout the game and though I know that Damdred's wrong, I can see why she doubts my alignment based on what Damdred's saying. I also see his point, though I disagree that most points he calls me scum for actually make me scum (I feel a bunch of them actually make me more likely to be town) but we'll get to that later.
On April 26 2015 12:13 Damdred wrote:Sad day im not higher and you have me linked with possible scum . I actually think Yamato is towny in his filter I did a bit of research on yamatos scum games. He's not really destroying thread here and much more active than his sxum games. He has fallen off considerably this 48 hours and that is a red flag but he did the same thing in mini mafia 2 which just ended. I don't think it 100% clears him but I think his filter is really indicative of a town Yamato at this point. I'm curious how you got this on Yamato because I checked his second to last mafia game and he was on 8 pages there and died at like D3. I don't feel like he's much more active in a posting sense, which was what I thought at first when I gave him the TR.
I'm not actually sure what to think of Yamato's read development on me the past two pages. It actually looks quite townie in that he was not commenting on arguments that he didn't feel he could on and pushing the things he does believe in. I don't really think a scum Yamato would be as selective in picking the arguments he has, but I need to check his scumgame out in a more in depth fashion. The problem with Yamato being town though is that this means someone that's pretty universally seen as town is scum.
I don't think it can be Breshke because of what I've mentioned, I don't think it's Damdred, Rsoultin also seems unlikely which leaves a pool of Trfel/Wave/Palmar. I'm gonna go and look more indepth in here.
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Damdred if you could outline all your problems with me in an easy way for me to reply so I don't have to quote 6 different posts and create a complete mess that no one can follow that'd be dandy.
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On April 27 2015 03:30 Damdred wrote: Honestly no all my things are in thread. Do work cool guy. I could respond to all the individual posts but it'd make a mess since a bunch of things are repeated, and I don't think anyone would get much the wiser from it. Why don't you do me a favour and post everything in one post so I don't miss anything and make it easier to follow for others. It should all be in your head anyway, so I can't be asking for much. Meanwhile, I can put my time into investigating my suspects that way.
I also don't see why we HAVE to lynch today. We have the time, what's wrong with using it?
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On April 27 2015 06:12 Damdred wrote: No I've been pretty clear with what my problems are. Stop caring about your ego or that you've done more or whatever and just do it, it seriously isn't that difficult. Show me you're willing to cooperate here.
I also think I want to lynch Trfel. Going over one of his towngames I notice he's much less confident in them than the tone he's had this game. His reasons have mostly been pretty weak. Let me take an example here:
On April 22 2015 12:34 Trfel wrote: Just a quick update on where I'm at.
I reread about the first half of the thread.
Damdred is very likely to be town here, despite my earlier read. His play actually does have direction and focus. Furthermore, someone pointed out that mafia Damdred plays to survive. Damdred isn't playing to survive here; smaller post count (at least in the first half of the thread) aside, Damdred's tone is extremely relaxed, and he did that strange list post to try and draw questions about it. Damdred here is enjoying the game, and playing for fun, which makes him quite likely to be town.
WaveofShadow is also town here. His play makes sense from a town perspective throughout, both when he thought that the game was Instant Majority and when he realized what the vote format is. Again, WaveofShadow's play shows some inconsistencies, but they are in the details and I actually think that they make him more likely to be town (I explained one of them a few posts back).
Breshke is probably town here as well. I was a bit put off by the way that he defended WaveofShadow when it wasn't necessary, but the comment he gave was absolutely correct, and the way that he posted afterwards seemed genuine. He's been providing useful points and good thoughts this game, and that is a sign of town Breshke.
I think that yamato77 could be mafia here. I'm not going to go into it in detail, but it's just an impression that I get. He makes several comments picking on people's play, and only later attaching an alignment to it (ironically, one example of this is Breshke defending WaveofShadow without taking a stance on WaveofShadow's alignment.... yamato77 only takes an actual stance on Breshke later). Furthermore, yamato77 wanted to point out one of WaveofShadow's statements that had no value (it was a null read on himself), but didn't arrive at any conclusions about WaveofShadow's alignment from this. Yamato77 does seem a bit overly concerned with people's reads on himself.
I might be gone for a while. Good luck, and happy scumhunting! They're all big words. "very likely to be town" "is also town", but when it comes to the justification it is pretty weak. "His play has direction and focus" "relaxed tone" "play makes sense from a town perspective". It doesn't feel Trfelish to have this strength in his reads for the reasons he's given when he's been incredibly suspicious of me for example during LXX.
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On April 27 2015 06:21 rsoultin wrote: meh i feel like this was your first read on truffle just rehashed
what made you revert back to it, art, other than the obvious that he's a viable lynch alternative to yourself today? It is that same read again, I came back to it due to opening his filter as the first of my three suspects. I came back to it because my other suspects look townier. I've also looked into his meta a bit more (Newbie VII) and it reinforced my read.
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On April 27 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote: Artanis, can you please briefly summarize all of the reasons for your scumread on me? Examples aren't necessary.
Thanks! 1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out 2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed. 3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning.
Those are my main reasons.
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Also it's hard focussing in the game when you're in a call helping someone with a poker tournament.
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On April 27 2015 06:38 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote: Artanis, can you please briefly summarize all of the reasons for your scumread on me? Examples aren't necessary.
Thanks! 1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out 2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed. 3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning. Those are my main reasons. As for my tone itself, I can't address. For read certainty, the reads you comment on here being more certain are my townreads. I haven't really had a solid scumread all game long. I don't understand why you have problems with my read progression on you. Most of the posts that you cite were while I was in discussion with people, so we were looking at things and posting our thoughts. My thoughts on you weren't complete, I posted after basically every new (notable) thing that I found, or that someone else pointed out. My read on you changed as I got more information. As for you getting a townread from me easier than before, it's because I held you to standards that are too high last game, and I (hopefully) corrected that error. If you expect me to not rethink my reads when given new information... it's just a sign of lazy play. As for the reasoning behind my townreads, I guess you're right about this. I have most likely townread someone incorrectly, as per this response to your earlier question: Show nested quote +On April 25 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote: Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline.
I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. What makes you say this? My track record, plus I have too many townreads. I guess this has generally felt like a low-content game, and I'm having trouble finding mafia, so I resorted to being more liberal with townreads, which probably wasn't the best idea. Regarding the read progression, I'm all fine and dandy with that but you never really address it in your posts what made you change. I feel that as town (in the past at least) you often state exactly what changed your mind when it does, and I've missed that this game.
Last time, you mentioned you were much more confident in Yamato being scum than me. Recently, you've mentioned that you don't think Yamato is scum anymore. Am I currently your top scumread or where are you at?
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Nvm, you didn't say Yamato was town. Just that you saw reasons for him being town.
Also ninja'd.
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Trfel, can you lay it to me why you think Wave is town? The more specific, the better.
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On April 27 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 06:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:38 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote: Artanis, can you please briefly summarize all of the reasons for your scumread on me? Examples aren't necessary.
Thanks! 1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out 2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed. 3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning. Those are my main reasons. As for my tone itself, I can't address. For read certainty, the reads you comment on here being more certain are my townreads. I haven't really had a solid scumread all game long. I don't understand why you have problems with my read progression on you. Most of the posts that you cite were while I was in discussion with people, so we were looking at things and posting our thoughts. My thoughts on you weren't complete, I posted after basically every new (notable) thing that I found, or that someone else pointed out. My read on you changed as I got more information. As for you getting a townread from me easier than before, it's because I held you to standards that are too high last game, and I (hopefully) corrected that error. If you expect me to not rethink my reads when given new information... it's just a sign of lazy play. As for the reasoning behind my townreads, I guess you're right about this. I have most likely townread someone incorrectly, as per this response to your earlier question: On April 25 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote: Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline.
I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. What makes you say this? My track record, plus I have too many townreads. I guess this has generally felt like a low-content game, and I'm having trouble finding mafia, so I resorted to being more liberal with townreads, which probably wasn't the best idea. Regarding the read progression, I'm all fine and dandy with that but you never really address it in your posts what made you change. I feel that as town (in the past at least) you often state exactly what changed your mind when it does, and I've missed that this game. Last time, you mentioned you were much more confident in Yamato being scum than me. Recently, you've mentioned that you don't think Yamato is scum anymore. Am I currently your top scumread or where are you at? Hm, I did explain exactly what caused my read to change each time. But I pointed out that you didn't. You gave two reasons to townread me, then proceeded to say I was null for things you had noticed and pointed out before. + Show Spoiler [Initial case] +On April 23 2015 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 07:26 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 07:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can anyone concisely explain why they're suspicious of me other than not posting as much which I've already mentioned I would pregame and have done in the last game I've played as well (and flipped town in but is ongoing so shh)? your contributions don't impress me ^^ what's more valuable is you doing the work you'd said you'd do on truffle so i can get a better read on you i don't care if you're posting less. that's whatever. what i do expect, though, if you've decided to post less is higher quality posting The posting less is a consequence of spending less time on the game, which is what the real reason for posting less is for me. Creating quality posts costs time too, therefore it seems unreasonable to expect consistent high quality posts as it'd still require a lot of time. I feel the observations I've had have been decent so far, though. Reading Trfel, I don't understand his read progression on me at all. He had me as scummy leaning for my comment on waiting for Palmar/BH (which I feel is a dumb reason, but ok), then town for the way I replied to it, then said this about me: Show nested quote +Artanis is probably town, though I haven't carefully read the section of the thread in which he was posting. His questions are not only motivated at making reads, but also increasing the thread motivation. While he could do this as scum, I don't think it's terribly likely. In addition to the way that he responded to my pressure on him (previously described), I feel that Artanis is likely town. So at this point he feels I'm likely town. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:05 rsoultin wrote: talk to me about artie and damdy -flops on- or about part of my list you disagree with
artie just seems...i dunnae, like people keep saying he's doing stuff but off the top of my head i can't really recall what aside from being charitable about my negative toneread on his entrance vote xP Yeah, in retrospect, Artanis hasn't been doing as much as I thought. What he has been doing, though, has been in the right direction. I'm not sure how much of this is due to his post count restriction, and how much of it is due to my annoying him yesterday.Damdred's tone looks really good for him here. And while some of the things he is doing seem strange, I don't see the mafia motivation, and he has seemingly tried to get more information into the thread. I don't think that he is scum. Weakening off his townread on me a little, but still maintains that what I'm doing is in the right direction. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote: He scum read Trfel. And actually as I recall that read is mostly based on meta and contrary to your read soniv kind of interested to see how that plays out.
Also don't quite get that yamato read Trfel. well, that's easy, wave lol >< i'm right the really question is whether or not it's reasonable for artie to be wrong about truffle and still town (truffle is a super easy read imo) meh guess i should actually read artanis' filter :/ I think that Artanis's scumread of me actually looks good for him. He makes a good point, and that's the sort of read that I expect from him. Would he do that as mafia? Not sure, but I think that he knows that he won't mislynch me this game (or at least, he will need much more evidence first). I'm still leaning town on Artanis, though is absence is concerning me. Does he agree with the Blazinghand wagon? If not, he should be here and trying to stop it. At the time of his last post, there were four votes on Blazinghand. If anything looks suspicious, that is it. He doesn't care if Blazinghand is lynched or not. So he was leaning town on me, then finds another reason to lean town on me (scumreading him). Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:30 Trfel wrote: I take it back, I just have terrible reading comprehension.
Artanis did comment on Blazinghand, first not convinced that he was scum due to his case, and then felt that it was an okay lynch due to the followup. Maybe I need to get my eyes checked.
It isn't a very large or amazing amount of information on Blazinghand, but I suppose I can see it from the perspective who sees an okay lynch, but also sees everyone ignoring what is (in his opinion) a better lynch. Aaand another reason to townread me. So that's two more reasons to townread me after leaning town on me earlier. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:34 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 22 2015 21:12 WaveofShadow wrote: That's your ironclad reasoning palmar? Calling me scum for shit I've already explained in thread and saying 'I don't know what yamato is doing?'
Gj
Artanis any thoughts on BH at all? Did you read what I wrote? I don't like his unwillingness to comment on other things. I don't like his case on Damdred particularly either. As has been said, it's a narrative. Seems like a good chance to flip scum. I need to do some more work on Trfel and flesh my read on him out but I have to leave for theater in a sec. Will get something done later tonight. Kinda annoyed no one's commented on him since I called him scummy but you though. mmm or maybe just benching the read for later? okay i guess i can give artie some space to see what comes of this It seemed to me that Artanis would be back later to finish his read on me. Artanis is sort of null, I suppose, given both his semi-weak stance on Blazinghand and not having the thread leadership that I thought he did at a glance.I expect scum to be among Artanis, yamato77, and maybe Breshke, even though I can't demonstrate that any of them are clear scum yet. What happened? I don't understand this progression at all.
On another note, I think I might also want to lynch Palmar for voting for Yamato when Wave was his top suspect, and he suspected Yamato for the way he treated Wave's case rather than going after Wave himself. He also never really re-evaled Wave. Palmar's tone is always pretty confident these days I find, so I don't want to clear him for that in retrospect. Also a case of other people being townier.
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Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case.
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But Palmar is a lynch for a day when it isn't the weekend so he has a chance to reply.
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Breshke Rsoultin Damdred Yamato77 WaveofShadow Trfel Palmar
I think this is where I'm at. No order between Trfel/Palmar atm.
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On April 27 2015 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case. See that's the thing about Palmar. He never seems concerned enough to do anything, ever. If you can somehow tell by meta that this is town/scum Palmar by all means but as far as in-thread confidence goes I still have him at least townier than null. I think the fact that he's given just enough shits to be townread and then fuck off again is telling though. TownPalmar isn't really concerned with surviving, and has a clear agenda when he does post seriously. I haven't felt that from this Palmar. It feels more stay alivey.
On April 27 2015 07:16 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 06:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:38 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote: Artanis, can you please briefly summarize all of the reasons for your scumread on me? Examples aren't necessary.
Thanks! 1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out 2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed. 3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning. Those are my main reasons. As for my tone itself, I can't address. For read certainty, the reads you comment on here being more certain are my townreads. I haven't really had a solid scumread all game long. I don't understand why you have problems with my read progression on you. Most of the posts that you cite were while I was in discussion with people, so we were looking at things and posting our thoughts. My thoughts on you weren't complete, I posted after basically every new (notable) thing that I found, or that someone else pointed out. My read on you changed as I got more information. As for you getting a townread from me easier than before, it's because I held you to standards that are too high last game, and I (hopefully) corrected that error. If you expect me to not rethink my reads when given new information... it's just a sign of lazy play. As for the reasoning behind my townreads, I guess you're right about this. I have most likely townread someone incorrectly, as per this response to your earlier question: On April 25 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote: Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline.
I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. What makes you say this? My track record, plus I have too many townreads. I guess this has generally felt like a low-content game, and I'm having trouble finding mafia, so I resorted to being more liberal with townreads, which probably wasn't the best idea. Regarding the read progression, I'm all fine and dandy with that but you never really address it in your posts what made you change. I feel that as town (in the past at least) you often state exactly what changed your mind when it does, and I've missed that this game. Last time, you mentioned you were much more confident in Yamato being scum than me. Recently, you've mentioned that you don't think Yamato is scum anymore. Am I currently your top scumread or where are you at? Hm, I did explain exactly what caused my read to change each time. But I pointed out that you didn't. You gave two reasons to townread me, then proceeded to say I was null for things you had noticed and pointed out before. + Show Spoiler [Initial case] +On April 23 2015 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 07:26 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 07:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can anyone concisely explain why they're suspicious of me other than not posting as much which I've already mentioned I would pregame and have done in the last game I've played as well (and flipped town in but is ongoing so shh)? your contributions don't impress me ^^ what's more valuable is you doing the work you'd said you'd do on truffle so i can get a better read on you i don't care if you're posting less. that's whatever. what i do expect, though, if you've decided to post less is higher quality posting The posting less is a consequence of spending less time on the game, which is what the real reason for posting less is for me. Creating quality posts costs time too, therefore it seems unreasonable to expect consistent high quality posts as it'd still require a lot of time. I feel the observations I've had have been decent so far, though. Reading Trfel, I don't understand his read progression on me at all. He had me as scummy leaning for my comment on waiting for Palmar/BH (which I feel is a dumb reason, but ok), then town for the way I replied to it, then said this about me: Show nested quote +Artanis is probably town, though I haven't carefully read the section of the thread in which he was posting. His questions are not only motivated at making reads, but also increasing the thread motivation. While he could do this as scum, I don't think it's terribly likely. In addition to the way that he responded to my pressure on him (previously described), I feel that Artanis is likely town. So at this point he feels I'm likely town. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:05 rsoultin wrote: talk to me about artie and damdy -flops on- or about part of my list you disagree with
artie just seems...i dunnae, like people keep saying he's doing stuff but off the top of my head i can't really recall what aside from being charitable about my negative toneread on his entrance vote xP Yeah, in retrospect, Artanis hasn't been doing as much as I thought. What he has been doing, though, has been in the right direction. I'm not sure how much of this is due to his post count restriction, and how much of it is due to my annoying him yesterday.Damdred's tone looks really good for him here. And while some of the things he is doing seem strange, I don't see the mafia motivation, and he has seemingly tried to get more information into the thread. I don't think that he is scum. Weakening off his townread on me a little, but still maintains that what I'm doing is in the right direction. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote: He scum read Trfel. And actually as I recall that read is mostly based on meta and contrary to your read soniv kind of interested to see how that plays out.
Also don't quite get that yamato read Trfel. well, that's easy, wave lol >< i'm right the really question is whether or not it's reasonable for artie to be wrong about truffle and still town (truffle is a super easy read imo) meh guess i should actually read artanis' filter :/ I think that Artanis's scumread of me actually looks good for him. He makes a good point, and that's the sort of read that I expect from him. Would he do that as mafia? Not sure, but I think that he knows that he won't mislynch me this game (or at least, he will need much more evidence first). I'm still leaning town on Artanis, though is absence is concerning me. Does he agree with the Blazinghand wagon? If not, he should be here and trying to stop it. At the time of his last post, there were four votes on Blazinghand. If anything looks suspicious, that is it. He doesn't care if Blazinghand is lynched or not. So he was leaning town on me, then finds another reason to lean town on me (scumreading him). Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:30 Trfel wrote: I take it back, I just have terrible reading comprehension.
Artanis did comment on Blazinghand, first not convinced that he was scum due to his case, and then felt that it was an okay lynch due to the followup. Maybe I need to get my eyes checked.
It isn't a very large or amazing amount of information on Blazinghand, but I suppose I can see it from the perspective who sees an okay lynch, but also sees everyone ignoring what is (in his opinion) a better lynch. Aaand another reason to townread me. So that's two more reasons to townread me after leaning town on me earlier. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:34 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 22 2015 21:12 WaveofShadow wrote: That's your ironclad reasoning palmar? Calling me scum for shit I've already explained in thread and saying 'I don't know what yamato is doing?'
Gj
Artanis any thoughts on BH at all? Did you read what I wrote? I don't like his unwillingness to comment on other things. I don't like his case on Damdred particularly either. As has been said, it's a narrative. Seems like a good chance to flip scum. I need to do some more work on Trfel and flesh my read on him out but I have to leave for theater in a sec. Will get something done later tonight. Kinda annoyed no one's commented on him since I called him scummy but you though. mmm or maybe just benching the read for later? okay i guess i can give artie some space to see what comes of this It seemed to me that Artanis would be back later to finish his read on me. Artanis is sort of null, I suppose, given both his semi-weak stance on Blazinghand and not having the thread leadership that I thought he did at a glance.I expect scum to be among Artanis, yamato77, and maybe Breshke, even though I can't demonstrate that any of them are clear scum yet. What happened? I don't understand this progression at all. On another note, I think I might also want to lynch Palmar for voting for Yamato when Wave was his top suspect, and he suspected Yamato for the way he treated Wave's case rather than going after Wave himself. He also never really re-evaled Wave. Palmar's tone is always pretty confident these days I find, so I don't want to clear him for that in retrospect. Also a case of other people being townier. Point by point. - I gave my first townread on you. Reason being that I thought you were driving the thread. I hadn't read the last several pages of the thread at the time, where I thought the bulk of your activity had been
- Then I read the last several pages, and realized that you hadn't actually made posts like I had thought. I reread your filter, and you hadn't been driving the thread all that much. Hence, my townread wasn't really valid any more.
- I see your point now. What happened was, I made a post stating "I see am leaning town on Artanis, but this is a reason why he might be scum, so I need to look into this". And then I looked into it, and for a while it was looking really bad, but then I found a comment that I missed. The fact that you did comment on Blazinghand (which I initially missed) caused you to be closer to null, when I was about to scumread you.
I understand your scumread on me a lot better now. Thanks. Hmm, that makes a decent bit of sense. I wish it didn't so the game would be easier
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On April 27 2015 07:21 Trfel wrote: Artanis, why are you townreading yamato77 and Breshke? Yamato because of his read progression on me, disregarding reasons he found weak and finding his own reasons to scumread me rather than just sheeping something. It felt quite intricate.
Breshke because his tone is sooooo town. I really don't think he can fake it. All his posts also just seem to be coming from a very obviously town perspective. Wave pointed out a post earlier and I agreed. There was also this:
On April 21 2015 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:59 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 09:55 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 09:46 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 09:34 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:32 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 09:31 Breshke wrote: [quote]
tentative town read for this post. lol seriously? xP Yeah haha all jokes aside in my limited experiance with art ive never seen him mention stats before so him referencing town stats and relating it to this game just seems like a weird way for a scum artanis to open. This is obviously very weak hence the tentative part. so you don't find it odd at all that he managed to enter with a post implying that he's town (via the stats comment) plus over-explaining what should be a joke-sheep of a joke-vote? by over-explaining i mean: On April 21 2015 09:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ##vote: waveofshadow I'm ok with any lynch that isn't me since I need to overtake kita in the not lynched as town percentage tab. Therefore, any lynch that is not me furthers this condition and I support this lynch. ##Vote WaveofShadow why even include the bolded sentence when it's clear in the first lol >< if anything that deserves a light scum lean, not a light town lean fitting awkwardly into the joking phase like that Ehh I disagree. I don't see it as that awkward or over explainy really. I didn't/don't really see it as awkward either. Nor do i really think that awkward always equals scum. Do you think her reading into it in that way says anything about her alignment? No because i can see how she would see it that way I actually think it makes her slightly likelier to be town as I find it unlikely scum would go in against a tone read of another player right off the bat. I have no way to prove this but i actually had it written that it was slightly townie because i find her to be a lot more neutral as scum You get a tentative townread for this post. More free towncred to the first person to correctly point out why. Which you answered, so you know why it was.
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Basically, Breshke is so completely unconcerned with getting towncred when his mafia game is notoriously weak that I find it incredibly unlikely for him to be scum.
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On April 27 2015 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote: And where do you get 'stay alive-y' from Palmar? He's been coming in and posting at pretty random times and none of i is when he's under suspicion or anything, and you don't feel as though he has an agenda even though he's pushed me (and to a lesser extent yamato) nonstop?
I don't udnerstand though how Palmar immediately townreads yamato just because of his few posts last night tbh He's pushed you and Yamato, but not really in any way that really tries to make anyone listen. He never searched for new reasons on you, just the initial thing and never updated it. He also switched to Yamato rather than doing more work on you because it was the easier route to take.
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[QUOTE]On April 27 2015 07:25 Trfel wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2015 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2015 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case.[/QUOTE] See that's the thing about Palmar. He never seems concerned enough to do anything, ever. If you can somehow tell by meta that this is town/scum Palmar by all means but as far as in-thread confidence goes I still have him at least townier than null.[/QUOTE]I actually disagree.
Palmar knows that if all he does is troll, it will be somewhat hard to lynch him.
Instead, Palmar started reading the game and making actual cases (cases which I don't think were all that good, but they were definitely serious cases). I don't think that these cases help Palmar at all, in fact they might actually hurt him, I think that really his motivation was to find scum (even if not enough to make him play the game properly).
Quick question, his reason to scumread WaveofShadow wasn't the initial reason that he forgot, right? It was a different reason?[/QUOTE] I disagree. I think if he does nothing but troll and other people look townie, he'll probably end getting lynched at some point in this lineup. The fact that the cases weren't good when Palmar is good is telling as well as the fact that he hasn't tried reinforcing them.
As for his scumread on Wave, it was part tone, part the analysis on the votes made on Wave.
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Goddamnit, let's try this again. I think you removed the comment in between that I made, so I deleted it from the quotes too.
On April 27 2015 07:25 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 27 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case. See that's the thing about Palmar. He never seems concerned enough to do anything, ever. If you can somehow tell by meta that this is town/scum Palmar by all means but as far as in-thread confidence goes I still have him at least townier than null. I actually disagree. Palmar knows that if all he does is troll, it will be somewhat hard to lynch him. Instead, Palmar started reading the game and making actual cases (cases which I don't think were all that good, but they were definitely serious cases). I don't think that these cases help Palmar at all, in fact they might actually hurt him, I think that really his motivation was to find scum (even if not enough to make him play the game properly). Quick question, his reason to scumread WaveofShadow wasn't the initial reason that he forgot, right? It was a different reason? I disagree. I think if he does nothing but troll and other people look townie, he'll probably end getting lynched at some point in this lineup. The fact that the cases weren't good when Palmar is good is telling as well as the fact that he hasn't tried reinforcing them.
As for his scumread on Wave, it was part tone, part the analysis on the votes made on Wave.
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On April 27 2015 07:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Does he normally try to make people listen? I can't honestly remember an experience with Palmar where he's impressed me in that way.
Trfel would you consider Palmar's posting so far trolling?
I'd say he did decently in Imperial in trying to get people to listen. Also fairly recently in XXX, he definitely did so as well.
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On April 27 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically, Breshke is so completely unconcerned with getting towncred when his mafia game is notoriously weak that I find it incredibly unlikely for him to be scum. unless you can demonstrate that he normally is concerned with this as scum, i don't see why it matters? his town game isn't this weak in my experience with him. i am exceedingly unimpressed with him this game -_- and that is rarely the case when he's town I mislynched him in LXX and I see so many resemblances to that this game. I've also gone through his scumgames before and they are markedly different, though I'll do it again if you insist.
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On April 27 2015 07:32 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Goddamnit, let's try this again. I think you removed the comment in between that I made, so I deleted it from the quotes too. On April 27 2015 07:25 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 27 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case. See that's the thing about Palmar. He never seems concerned enough to do anything, ever. If you can somehow tell by meta that this is town/scum Palmar by all means but as far as in-thread confidence goes I still have him at least townier than null. I actually disagree. Palmar knows that if all he does is troll, it will be somewhat hard to lynch him. Instead, Palmar started reading the game and making actual cases (cases which I don't think were all that good, but they were definitely serious cases). I don't think that these cases help Palmar at all, in fact they might actually hurt him, I think that really his motivation was to find scum (even if not enough to make him play the game properly). Quick question, his reason to scumread WaveofShadow wasn't the initial reason that he forgot, right? It was a different reason? I disagree. I think if he does nothing but troll and other people look townie, he'll probably end getting lynched at some point in this lineup. The fact that the cases weren't good when Palmar is good is telling as well as the fact that he hasn't tried reinforcing them. As for his scumread on Wave, it was part tone, part the analysis on the votes made on Wave. lol this is bullshit. i've seen plenty of bad palmar play and i'm a noob -_- don't try blowing smoke up my ass, artie I've seen plenty of good Palmar play too. I've played with him in LXI where him and BC took turns writing cases on everyone in the game when they were convinced of each other as being scum. I'm not saying Palmar is a surefire scum at all, or that what he's done is impossible to come from TownPalmar. I'm saying that the way he's pushed so far make me feel he's more likely scum than town, especially considering other reads.
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On April 27 2015 07:35 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On April 27 2015 07:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically, Breshke is so completely unconcerned with getting towncred when his mafia game is notoriously weak that I find it incredibly unlikely for him to be scum. unless you can demonstrate that he normally is concerned with this as scum, i don't see why it matters? his town game isn't this weak in my experience with him. i am exceedingly unimpressed with him this game -_- and that is rarely the case when he's town I mislynched him in LXX and I see so many resemblances to that this game. I've also gone through his scumgames before and they are markedly different, though I'll do it again if you insist. if you can show me any sign of his being invested in this game, i'd appreciate it more ^^ I thought his explanation of why he flipped his read on you was good, for one. He could've just shrugged it off and made some excuse as everyone was townreading you, but he gave specific reasoning after pushing you for a while.
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On April 27 2015 07:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:32 rsoultin wrote:On April 27 2015 07:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Goddamnit, let's try this again. I think you removed the comment in between that I made, so I deleted it from the quotes too. On April 27 2015 07:25 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 27 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case. See that's the thing about Palmar. He never seems concerned enough to do anything, ever. If you can somehow tell by meta that this is town/scum Palmar by all means but as far as in-thread confidence goes I still have him at least townier than null. I actually disagree. Palmar knows that if all he does is troll, it will be somewhat hard to lynch him. Instead, Palmar started reading the game and making actual cases (cases which I don't think were all that good, but they were definitely serious cases). I don't think that these cases help Palmar at all, in fact they might actually hurt him, I think that really his motivation was to find scum (even if not enough to make him play the game properly). Quick question, his reason to scumread WaveofShadow wasn't the initial reason that he forgot, right? It was a different reason? I disagree. I think if he does nothing but troll and other people look townie, he'll probably end getting lynched at some point in this lineup. The fact that the cases weren't good when Palmar is good is telling as well as the fact that he hasn't tried reinforcing them. As for his scumread on Wave, it was part tone, part the analysis on the votes made on Wave. lol this is bullshit. i've seen plenty of bad palmar play and i'm a noob -_- don't try blowing smoke up my ass, artie What? Are you saying Palmar is good here or normally good and here he's not? I presumed she said that she's seen Palmar play terrible as town as a response to me saying he's playing terrible here.
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On April 27 2015 07:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Again this is par for the course on Palmar as far as I'm concerned because I haven't played games with him in which he's done anything but variations on this, and I'm really trying to avoid meta, something you clearly aren't concerned with, Artanis. Like, I'd vote Palmar if I see a concrete reason that's not meta-related as to why he's scum but I don't really see it.
I'm assuming we're going another day at this point, btw?
I think the fact that he isn't digging further into you further but randomly takes a left turn on Yamato when it's convenient, then jumps off, goes back on you when it crashes and soft accuses me in the meantime is a very clear non-meta reason. You're actually using meta to defend him here in that he can do this as town rather than the opposite. Yes, it's possible that he does this as town. That doesn't mean it's the most likely answer.
I'm good with extending the day myself.
On April 27 2015 07:44 rsoultin wrote: yup that's what i was saying ^^ palmar can play badly as town; it doesn't make him scum
lol >< how many times do i have to say that townreading me is like completely not alignment indicative at all?
dude, someone else had to point out to him that he was parroting me, and frankly i ooze town as town it's why i get night-killed early so often; it's definitely not because i'm a scary player for most scumteams to have to play against -_-
artanis, he randomly townread me. it took like over 24 hours to get an explanation on that shift, because it wasn't explained at the time. no that doesn't show investment in the game. try again I'm not really that interested in defending Breshke at this point anyway since no one but you really wants to lynch him. He's a big boy, he can fend for himself when he's around.
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On April 27 2015 07:59 rsoultin wrote: xP i'm right woot!
seriously though there's just not a good instance that shows breshke is actually trying to solve the game in any meaningful way. i don't really even understand some of the posts y'all point out as "townie" to be honest. like "i wrote it down, not that this means anything" ummmm...like okay? why couldn't scum say that? why would town feel the need to say it was written down? it's just...i don't get it -_- maybe i'm bad and that really IS enough to make up for doing jack-all to actually find scum but, i just don't see it Regarding that post I pointed out, of course scum COULD say it, but why? It's so unlikely that any town player would pick up on that. A town player would say it because it just sprung up in their mind. A scum player.. just has no reason to say it.
I mean, I could be wrong and hard defending a scum here, but I don't think so.
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On April 27 2015 08:08 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 08:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 07:59 rsoultin wrote: xP i'm right woot!
seriously though there's just not a good instance that shows breshke is actually trying to solve the game in any meaningful way. i don't really even understand some of the posts y'all point out as "townie" to be honest. like "i wrote it down, not that this means anything" ummmm...like okay? why couldn't scum say that? why would town feel the need to say it was written down? it's just...i don't get it -_- maybe i'm bad and that really IS enough to make up for doing jack-all to actually find scum but, i just don't see it Regarding that post I pointed out, of course scum COULD say it, but why? It's so unlikely that any town player would pick up on that. A town player would say it because it just sprung up in their mind. A scum player.. just has no reason to say it. I mean, I could be wrong and hard defending a scum here, but I don't think so. lol my point is it's weak-ass shit like that that you want to hang your townread on instead of things he's actually doing and breshke can actually you know play this game as opposed to some other players where tonereads are the only way that you can read them Except that the last time I played with town Breshke he got mislynched and the reason for that was that he wasn't really doing anything other than being very townie in tone.
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On April 27 2015 08:16 rsoultin wrote: okay, link the game -_- i find it unlikely cause i've seen stupid players trying to mislynch him before when he was actually contributing but...you could be right and he's for some reason gotten worse the more games he's played ^^ It was in Guardians, link's in my profile.
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Gonna check out for now. We really should no lynch especially if people want to lynch Breshke who can't be around atm and hasn't had the chance to really respond to allegations and I will get quite upset at anyone that tries to still get a lynch done today.
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On April 27 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote: bloody nose atm 1 hand
spoiler explains my vote
guardians, breshke looked town 4 content + reads not tone
ml due 2 poe list Perhaps it was different for you, but my main reason that I considered Breshke being town that game was his tone. I even detailed it out in a post where I gave reasons to TR everyone in the PoE pool. I'd dig it up but I can't ctrl-F in my LXX filter since it exceeds 50 pages
On April 27 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:Currently, the only real reason that I'm suspicious of Artanis is for his Damdred read. He did very well in Guardians by reading Damdred as town for his long, detailed analysis posts. However, Damdred saw that read, so it isn't valid any more, and Artanis should know that. Here is a detailed vote count analysis post that Damdred made as mafia. Also, here is a town Damdred filter where he does not make any long posts at all. By this point, Artanis ought to know that he can't read Damdred like this any more. Does it make him scum? I'm not sure. I need to filter dive him tomorrow, but I think he's most likely town. I was not involved in either of the games you linked at all, so I'm not sure how you expect me to know that. It was alsao a passerby comment, not the only thing I intend to read Damdred on. I still do think he's likely town.
Breshke, Arsoul mentioned that you haven't really made any contributions this game. What do you think of that? Also, the reason for TRing Yamato is definitely in my filter. I mentioned that I feel the way he picks between reasons on reading me and discards some as poor is likely to come from a town Yamato. It felt like he was actually considering my alignment.
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On April 27 2015 20:11 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 19:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote: bloody nose atm 1 hand
spoiler explains my vote
guardians, breshke looked town 4 content + reads not tone
ml due 2 poe list Perhaps it was different for you, but my main reason that I considered Breshke being town that game was his tone. I even detailed it out in a post where I gave reasons to TR everyone in the PoE pool. I'd dig it up but I can't ctrl-F in my LXX filter since it exceeds 50 pages On April 27 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:Currently, the only real reason that I'm suspicious of Artanis is for his Damdred read. He did very well in Guardians by reading Damdred as town for his long, detailed analysis posts. However, Damdred saw that read, so it isn't valid any more, and Artanis should know that. Here is a detailed vote count analysis post that Damdred made as mafia. Also, here is a town Damdred filter where he does not make any long posts at all. By this point, Artanis ought to know that he can't read Damdred like this any more. Does it make him scum? I'm not sure. I need to filter dive him tomorrow, but I think he's most likely town. I was not involved in either of the games you linked at all, so I'm not sure how you expect me to know that. It was alsao a passerby comment, not the only thing I intend to read Damdred on. I still do think he's likely town. Breshke, Arsoul mentioned that you haven't really made any contributions this game. What do you think of that? Also, the reason for TRing Yamato is definitely in my filter. I mentioned that I feel the way he picks between reasons on reading me and discards some as poor is likely to come from a town Yamato. It felt like he was actually considering my alignment. Did you ever flip your read on him? From some of his recent postings he seems to think you did and voted him im not sure if ive completely missed this somehow or what? Yeah, I read him as town because he did a bunch of things and I remembered Marv saying that if Yamato does things he's town, then I checked a scumgame of his that had a similar amount of content and realized that my read was far too easily made and backtracked it. I'm not sure how you missed it if you reread the game.
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On April 27 2015 20:52 Palmar wrote: Like I wish I could just get people to take a leap of faith with me and lynch WoS. I'm not sure I'll have the pull to get it otherwise.
I am fairly certain he is mafia. Could you make your reasoning on Wave more clear? All I've heard on Wave is his reasoning for the 3 votes on him early on, his differentiating between me and Yamato, not caring about your alignment and saying he hasn't been trying to solve the game. I don't find the former two very convincing at all. Regarding the third, I can understand what he says because part of your scumread on him is how he interacts with Wave in a way that'd make sense for them to be scumbuddies. As for the latter, that's probably what troubles me the most on Wave. He comments on a lot of things but he doesn't really push anything. He wanted to lynch someone this night as his activity dropped off but I don't think he actually voted anyone.
I may actually be convincing myself here.
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I think I may be on board for a Wave lynch after going through the last few pages of his filter. It feels a lot like he's commenting on the game rather than figuring out stuff like Palmar pointed out. He's voted Yamato but doesn't really push him, and then there's oddball comments like
On April 27 2015 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Remind me why we're not lynching trfel again When we've been talking about Trfel for a while at that point, so one would expect he'd have more specific reasons. Furthermore, his vote is still on Yamato.
I'm actually struggling with voting him a lot because he's been very reasonable to me and I like him so I really don't want to be wrong, but I do think he's scum here. His activity to influence on the game ratio is just way off, and a lot of his posts just really don't help town to figure out the game. ##Vote WaveOfShadow
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Please let me know what you find because the discussion leading up to the lynch today is pretty abysmal.
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On April 28 2015 05:20 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Please let me know what you find because the discussion leading up to the lynch today is pretty abysmal. I will do so. Are you going to stick around until the lynch? Because it would be great to have someone to discuss things with, I haven't really interacted with people for a while in this game. I'm probably mostly going to be around.
On April 28 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote: Artanis, help me out?
How does one going about catching you, if you are mafia? I could give you a list of things but it'd all be self-meta and/or be considered WIFOM so I'm afraid you'd have to do the work yourself.
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On April 28 2015 05:50 Trfel wrote:Do you think there is anything to the inconsistency between WaveofShadow's claim that he never uses meta and that he actually uses meta a noticeable amount? And how he uses meta for some ( for example, Palmar), but refuses to use meta for others? Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 23:56 WaveofShadow wrote: And there's still yamato who's done mostly shit all but be belligerent with me lately. (I'd call him town because his current not caring about the game currently is extremely town yamato but meta so fuck that) I don't think these kinds of inconsistencies are alignment indicative.
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I kind of favour waiting another day as well with both Wave and a large number of other players basically being afk for the whole of today. I also want to make sure wave replies rather than getting lynched whilst afk. On that note:
##Unvote
Trfel, can you talk to me about people other than Wave too? It's neat that you don't want to lynch me but I'm curious as to the why. You asked me how to find out if I were scum. Did you do any research on your own after that?
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Why aren't you checking into wave right now Rso?
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On April 28 2015 07:17 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why aren't you checking into wave right now Rso? other game + not lynching him today if we're lynching him anyway + cba atm That actually encapsulates my feelings on Breshke quite well.
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On April 28 2015 07:20 Damdred wrote: we have to consolidate.
Honestly, i'm kind of feeling like Art has been towny this day to a certain extent Please be more specific dear.
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On April 28 2015 07:22 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 07:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 28 2015 07:17 rsoultin wrote:On April 28 2015 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why aren't you checking into wave right now Rso? other game + not lynching him today if we're lynching him anyway + cba atm That actually encapsulates my feelings on Breshke quite well. um what does this have to do with breshke? breshke has had ample time to amp up his play, address my read on him the wave push just started while he was gone bad artie -_- like i don't really expect a lynch at this point with all the laziness in the thread but they're clearly different situations The Wave push has been ongoing since the start of the game.
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On April 28 2015 07:26 rsoultin wrote: o.0
um no it hasn't? Did you miss that Palmar has pushed him since the start?
On April 28 2015 07:26 Palmar wrote: Artanis is mafia too, but that doesn't change the fact Wave is. That is factually incorrect. I can prove it with my role PM.
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On April 28 2015 07:34 rsoultin wrote: lol
>> he hasn't been a realistic lynch until today
that you definitely can't argue
but i guess breshke hasn't either, technically, cause no one wants to lynch him with me -_- That is pretty much my point.
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Searching my posts for Breshke Tone netted me this from an absolutely amazing player:
On March 27 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:That's fair. I just find the difference in tone between his mafia and town games very stark. I'll bring up a few examples. Here's Breshke as scum: + Show Spoiler +On December 17 2014 06:10 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:On December 17 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:On December 17 2014 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:On December 17 2014 06:02 IAmRobik wrote:Palmar, was she being honest whens he said she didn't like her role and you think she did that as mafia? + Show Spoiler +I typed he and then went back and changed all of them to she, because I refuse to believe that a mom takes a son of age 20 to get a haircut My mom wont let go of me I'm sorry for that and Palmer I really hate my role but I am town and I will do anything to win this game except let myself get lynched for dumb reasons. Well, you're now lynch target #1. Your time to shine bro, find a new #1. I headbanging right now and currently I waiting for sicklucker's first action today to determine his alignment this game. I don't like this its like you saaw Robik cleared coag for reffering to headbanging and you are trying to jump on some town cred What about people who have already posted do you think any of them are scummy? I think SL is someone easy to scum read and think this is a cop out. On December 17 2014 06:26 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote:On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote: Also don't like the fact that Breshke just asks 1,000 questions without contributing anything. Also, his posts are very non-commital. "i don't like..." vs "LS is mafia because...." Because LS as either alignment plays very scared and seems to always be on the defensive and not giving reads. I'll be very surprised if scum LS fakeclaims VT that early though so i actually think he is town. Also its like 7:30 am here I shouldn't even be awake. On December 17 2014 06:36 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:32 justanothertownie wrote:On December 17 2014 06:30 Breshke wrote:On December 17 2014 06:28 justanothertownie wrote:On December 17 2014 06:26 Breshke wrote:On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote:On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote: Also don't like the fact that Breshke just asks 1,000 questions without contributing anything. Also, his posts are very non-commital. "i don't like..." vs "LS is mafia because...." Because LS as either alignment plays very scared and seems to always be on the defensive and not giving reads. I'll be very surprised if scum LS fakeclaims VT that early though so i actually think he is town.
Also its like 7:30 am here I shouldn't even be awake. The bolded is at best stupid. Why First of all calling it fakeclaiming VT is a little weird for me. Theoretically every player in this game should be claiming VT. I also don't get "that early". Why do you think he wouldn't claim VT as mafia? At what point in time do you think he does? I said if scum ls fakeclaims VT did you read the entire sentence? In the theoretical world of LS being scum him claiming VT would indeed be a fakeclaim. I don't think he claims VT this early because it shuts down a lot of his options for the rest of the game in terms of role claiming. I think as mafia he claims VT D1 when votes are piling against him and closer to EoD. He had 0 votes on him and it has been what under 3 hours since the game started. as mafia i think he would try talk his way out first. On December 17 2014 12:14 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 12:12 sicklucker wrote: Well if anyone should get semi lynched on the basis that there useless its kush. Ive played with him four times and hes been utterly useless in everygame for whatever team hes on. People keep saying that he sometimes trys as town but I just dont see it. Do you think kush is useless town or useless mafia? Do you think you should be lynching people that are scummy or that are useless? On January 07 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 11:42 liancourt wrote: Wheres the voting thread cos i found scum What happend to the game being hard? still havnt explained why the game would be hard. (I find this one interesting because I feel like it shows Breshke putting attention to things that aren't really important which gives your point some credence) On January 08 2015 07:10 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote: oh and Ls admitted he claimed day 1 in EVERYGAME which ddefends me and makes me obvious town to anyone with a brain can you stop with this shit loo at the context of some of his claims. Of course he is going to claim cop when he gets lynched and that carol game hardly counts either because wasn't his role useless or something? He also didn't claim in his mafia game so stop saying every game like you are trying to justify your scummy actions. Now what is your read on LS. Are you now saying you arn't null on him? If you are explain how it went from scum to null. On January 08 2015 07:14 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:05 sicklucker wrote:On January 08 2015 06:59 Breshke wrote:On January 08 2015 00:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:On January 07 2015 14:21 Breshke wrote:Being fully caught up why do you direct questions to three other people yet not me who you think is scum Also lian did answer eventually On January 07 2015 12:25 liancourt wrote:On January 07 2015 12:20 Breshke wrote: It was a bit less active at the start than i am used to but i have no reason to think this game will be harder than any other nor did i say it would be. Thats why im interested in why you think it will be harder? More or less what u think And the fact that there is no clear vet to lead town this game. More defensive players than aggresive players Not sure what was gotten out of delaying the answer so long and getting me to answer first though. Oh, no. I noticed his answer, and I wholeheartedly agree that him answering was a complete delay. Also, I was gonna follow up with a question on him on why he cared what you think, and why the information on how the game will be harder is even relevant in terms of finding scum. I'm also disappointed in the fact that I was gone for 9 hours, and we only have one page of posts since. Now Breshke. What is your view on Lian? Do you agree with some of the cases that have been thrown around? Meh, most of the cases on Lian are that he is acting differently to how he normally does and i have no idea if this is true or what it means because im too lazy to read past games. I don't understand why he is purposly acting like a dick because if he is town i don't think that's the way to go about getting people to listen to you but being a dick doesn't equal mafia. I do think he is town though because even though his case is shit on LS he seems to actually want people to comment on it and that feels town motivated to me. I am intrested to see what happens when he comes back to the thread though. So i also think bunnies is town because the questions she has been asking while may not be like scum hunting are obviously there to get conversation flowing which is obviously something this game needs so im happy to call her town for now. I was also liking Eden because he seemed to be on the same thought process as me about sicklucker but has seemingly flipped now for reasons that i feel are really weak. Also sicklucker could you explain how you went from scum to null on LS (I've included your posts and the only one he made in between in the spoiler tag.+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2015 01:41 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote: For now I town reading Oats and Lian since Oats seemed much more like himself from Student Mafia IV and Lian posts being genuine about his stuff on me. I finding that sicklucker early town read kind of questionable because I not done anything townie yet he giving me a very early town read. Unless he's basing off of meta he should have no reason to town read me this early. I dont read you town man. Infact im scum reading you now for ignoring my qeustion On January 08 2015 01:45 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:25 sicklucker wrote:On January 07 2015 10:41 Breshke wrote:On January 07 2015 10:21 sicklucker wrote: I see a big leak in his town game. I roll town its a good time to fix that and increase my chances of winning If I roll scum I dont want him to know.
Its not tmi your over thinking it. There is like probably 11/14 chance hes town. Thats really good odds
He claimed his role in everyone of his 4 or 5 games. Its a very bad thing to do im trying to lead town to victory!
So lets go to bed and get fresh heads and not graph at straws. Goodnight You can go to bed its fine don't feel like you need to stay here and interact theres plenty of time left but i have more to say. On January 07 2015 07:09 sicklucker wrote:On January 07 2015 07:03 LightningStrike wrote:On January 07 2015 07:01 sicklucker wrote: You always out your role on game one, like in literally everygame. So please keep that to a mini Lmum its not good for town I only soft claimed on Carol on Day 1 then Day 2 I hard claimed. First game you claimed cop day1 second game you were mafia third game you claimed a role on day 1. You were like barely a role fourth game you claimed vt on day 1 (metal) fifth game ......... your 6th game please dont do it thanks. Coaching towns to victorys Here you clearly say he doesn't claim in his second game and his claim in his first was completely justified because he was getting and still got lynched. So he hasn't claimed his role in every one of his games. To me it looks like you tried to enter the thread by looking helpful with a warning to LS about something he most likely knows already. At not one point have you tried to work out alignments except saying ls has a 11/14 chance of being town . Even when i call you out you just call me terrible, am i terrible town or terrible mafia? Hey Ls I know you dont know this so can you verify this is new information to you? Also the one game he didnt claim day 1 he was mafia. He claimed in 4/4 games as town on day 1. So ya I have good reasons to ask him not too. Yes game 1 was not his fault but it was 4/4 The only time I didn't claimed yes was I was scum but it because we killed both power roles in the first 36 hours of the game. Game 1 it was sort for telling them it was Detective not Cop but it was because I got the role pm saying it was Detective and I was getting lynched and had to claim. Yes I claimed 4/4 I soft claimed at Carol on Day 1 but my role wouldn't matter though as kush claimed Scrooge Day 1 and made me useless even if I wasn't roleblocked -_-. On January 08 2015 01:49 sicklucker wrote: Ok thats a good answer by Ls. back to null. Everyone thinking I townread ls is funny. All I did was coach him to not do a mistake he just admitted to doing in EVERYONE of his town games.
I dont know wtf he is but since im town I dont want him screwing up this one too if hes town. He went a reread stuff and gave his usual cute defend everyone answer. But he did defend a confirmed mafia so your right it might be a bad read You flipflop in this post. How was he defending everyone? In the only post between your two posts where you change your read he only defends himself. Also how would you know if he reread stuff or not? On January 08 2015 09:39 Breshke wrote: Saying i have a scumread for the sole reason someone ignored one of your posts and then ignoring one of mine is so convincing keep going you are doing great looking town!
On January 09 2015 05:04 Breshke wrote: Im unvoting sicklucker.
I also think the HTS and VA wagons are both bad Breshke as Town: + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:None its shit i know. I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well. Who is your biggest scum right now? On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 18:32 jarjarbinks wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote: What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for. IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote: I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy On January 18 2015 15:30 Breshke wrote:So not sure how I missed it but GB has given scum reads + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:46 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 13:43 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason? Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? It means that his explanation does not line up with what I know of him. The vote I could really care less about. I think it's preemptive but not alignment indicative. His explanation for it directly contradicts the simple fact that Trfel plays effectively with a low post count, and LS is right in that I don't think I've ever seen him policy lynch. (Note that my vote never made it to the voting thread. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I want him to explain to me why the sudden near-180 in his play.) This is bullshit. You never tell someone you're doing a pressure vote because you reveal you're doing it just for pressure. You're just trying to push him to look contributive. xP Lol, sure. Cause it wasn't at all straight up mimicking him or anything to make a point. GB, how much do I really need to do to look contributive? You may want to finish reading the thread before you start making judgments. Just not telling people you're pressuring that you're pressuring them. This makes you contributive. AAAAAND I'm done catching up. Trfel is definetely town DP may be town Rasputin may be town LS may be scum Cool TL name may be scum jar jar may be scum Damdred you'll have to puke green this game. On January 17 2015 22:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote: I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..) Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I understand the thing abou jar jar, but his opening is very bad and it fits more of a scum perspective because: (1) If there is an ongoing discussion, opening the game saying that he is excited without giving any thoughts is extremely contradictory and it doesn't fit town perspective. If he is excited, he saw something different. If he saw something different, he will probably comment it. This means his excitement is a forced emotion. (2) An opening post suggesting a no lynch is something comety disconnected. A no lynch discussion helps no one but mafia. A no lynch is only helpful to town in specific situations and that's definetely not day1. And, if the game is exciting, a no lynch isn't the correct conclusion? Anyway, he just ignores the ongoing discussion to throw a bad idea into the thread. Regarding LS, the question doesn't takes him anywhere. If he doesn't know what BS is, asking "what is this" is more appropriate. The way he phrases it ("I've never seen you using this term before") sounds like there is a meta behind it when actually there isn't. This sounds, on a vacuum, that he is trying to look like a townie pursuing information asking questions that are information-less. Now, it is proven that I have a good grasp on damdreds play. He won against me as scum last game. He will not be sparred. The thing is GB hasn't pushed these reads at all nor has he even tried to interact with his two scumreads (jarjar and LS). Instead he talks about how he will push lurkers and what not which yeah is good in a filler kind of way but not actually constructive. Especially when you look at his LS scumread who many people are actually townreading. He isn't trying to pressure or question LS to see if he is wrong or to try get more information to convince others with. He just seems happy to have scum reads. So GB is leaning scum for now On January 20 2015 13:26 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:08 geript wrote: @Breshke. I want you to do vote analysis Pre-switch, pre claim. I'm actually interested in what you think there. Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 06:47 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count
Damdred (2): rsoultin, LightningStrike jarjarbinks (4): Breshke, Damdred, GlowingBear, LoneMeow GlowingBear (6): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk, jarjarbinks, The Shining, Trfel
Currently, GlowingBear is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. I assume this is the vote you mean geript So the two leading wagons are (pending CC on JarJar or a doc claim) both town. I think when it is town v town mafia is more likely to spread their votes out because they don't care who gets lynched. This is one of the reasons I want to lynch LM next because i think there is at least one scum not on the GB wagon here. If this was a final vote count rsoultin would probably look fairly bad but it isnt so i cant really look at this the same way since reads still had time to be pushed. On January 20 2015 13:34 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:14 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 13:07 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 12:57 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you. On January 17 2015 18:32 jarjarbinks wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote: [quote]
LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for. IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote: I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy So this post here, Breshke. I remember this catching my attention but then I forgot. The meta read obviously doesn't hold that much weight, though I'd think you'd have a read on LS cause you've played with him more. My question is...do you put LS' play early game in the same category as GB's and Trfel's? This almost seems like a problem with semantics, from my pov. Um im not exactly sure what you mean but i think the answer is no. GB and trefel both purposely set out to create discussion with opening posts that people would find weird and what not. Whereas LS created discussion by just being LS. The point was both sides were still creating discussion but he seemed to only be townreading LS for it. LS was also his only town read at the time and he seemed fairly certain and i couldnt understand why because as i found both his reasons lacking. I wouldn't say i have a meta read on LS i havn't played nearly enough games with him or anyone to have any meta reads. I agree that LS can easily be misread as scum when he is town but I also think that works a lot for him when he is mafia because people who have played with him before seem more inclined to town read him like I even found myself doing it this game. You may be right. I thought he was pretty obvious scum in his scum game, personally...spent all day arguing it lol. But you may be right. I know that I get the feeling sometimes in these games with vets that newbies get picked on, because a lot of them have trouble appearing town. Like, I expect mafia to capitalize on that. (I realize I'm a newbie, too, but reads are my problem way more than getting townread, generally.) All I'm saying is that generating discussion by posting something what is the word? Contradictory is wrong. Controversial. Posting something controversial vice pressuring and asking questions seem different enough to me to not require someone to read them the same way. That's why this post got my attention. Do you disagree? No you are right they are different. What LS was doing was actually pushing the game forward to scumhunt. So yeah you are right about me just arguing semantics I guess i just never really thought of it out of the context of creating discussion vs creating discussion. Here is where i say i still don't understand how he was reading LS as his one and only town because i still think his reasons were weak because I think LS could easily ask questions as scum. That being said the read as right and LS is town the same as Jarjar so it could easily be me who has to think about stuff differently Also something I'm noting whilst going through this game is that Breshke interacts a LOT with his townreads and barely with his scumreads as town. On January 24 2015 10:09 Breshke wrote: A team of DP + 1 that isnt LM is making me really paranoid.
I don't understand DP's play. People have been saying him and LM could be a team even geript who had been townreading him. He then continues to defend LM seemingly without really thinking about it or analyzing it. As town i would think he would be more careful and actually look into it properly as people already think they are a team and think LM is probable scum, even geript.
I get this weird sense that he wants that he wants to look like he is aligned with LM because none really seems to be considering him a possible scum outside of that team. On January 25 2015 17:29 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 11:50 geript wrote: It's really odd the Breshke isn't flipping the fuck out our anything. Like he was literally 1 vote off of getting lynched. It's like business as usual. That's really funky. Is this alignment indicative at all? It isn't if i was scum i would react the same way as town because as both alignments i wouldn't want to get lynched. I didn't freak or rage at anyone because how could I? I as afk for like the last 16 hours of that day I knew shit was going to go down. For DP + Show Spoiler +On January 19 2015 05:23 Breshke wrote: GB if damdred wadsnt an option who would you go for? This is my first post after waking up it is at 6:53 am my time deadline is at 8:30 am. My dad is a tradie and has recently left his buisness to go and work on his own so i have been helping him out every couple days. I wake up at 6 when i go to work with him and get ready to leave the house around 7. After this it involves a ton of driving during which i was phone posting in the thread. I have a Samsung galaxy S2 which is a fairly old phone ive had it for a number of years now and it does this weird thing where it randomly heats up using all the battery and killing the phone. So after an hour of trying to keep up with the thread my phone starts fucking up so i turn it off to try cool the battery and it doesn't turn back on hence battery is dead. Also we arn't lynching anyone tomorrow because i assume JJB dies tonight and then mafia needs to kill someone who is not confirmed. Also damdred i think both of your scum from your PoE are wrong. I know my filter is crap this game but seriously look at RSo's how can you think she is scum can you explain it without PoE? Honestly i feel the reasons you cleared DP and geript to be fairly weak and don't see how you are ignoring everything else that has happened in the game because of it. On January 27 2015 14:46 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote:On January 27 2015 12:16 DarthPunk wrote:On January 27 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote: DP why do you not see a scum team with me not in it? Cause: Geript is town and Damdred looks townie whenever he tries. Day one and Last lynch. I think the Vote yesterday was scum/town due to weird lynch inertia and the vote being so closely contested. You conveniently afk'd from two lynches and were there just before the lynch of LM before disappearing again as noted by geript. Rso - Shining whilst possible doesn't make as much sense due to the way Rso refused to swap her vote to you yesterday which, if she is scum and you are town is a completely arbitary decision. ALSO Your play changed weirdly at mylo. I wasn't around for like over 12 hours before the LM lynch i don't know if you are flat out lieing or are just mistaken you might want to go look. Explain the weird inertia? How would that lynch have been different if it was town/town? Also how is my play different? Stop calling me scum for things and not explaining them Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote: Also why do you think damdred has only been tring D1 and around the LM lynch? The time when he has not been trying correlates with LS getting a red check which very well could have demotivated him.
Also @damdred im really suprised you don;t even consider no lynching. Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 12:01 Damdred wrote:On January 19 2015 11:58 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 11:49 Damdred wrote: I have to cover all of my basis though, and we actually need to analysis the claim.
Firstly, there are two possible scenerios that involve a tracker. One is Cop tracker and one is tracker doctor. I thought about it as JarJar softing, but he cannot possibly know still that a medic exists in this setup as we are down to a 50/50 if he is the tracker. If we see a doc/cop flip obviously hes mafia, there might be something there and its still possibly a scum slip instead of a soft. I know it sounds tin foil, but its something we have to consider down the line and JarJar isn't confirmed if he isn't shot obviously. And if cop flips and doc flips.outs we at least have one mafia already there. So just figured I would talk it out before moving down.
Trfel should be the lynch tomorrow, maybe LM, and we still have to evaluate a couple more people. I'm going to heal Dp tonight obviously, hes the most towny person in the game.
I"m not sure if we should kill breshke tomorrow I like some of his posts but we need to pressure him a bit more, and talk me through your EoD rsoultin. Eh, messy. Was trying to work out my thoughts with Lonemeow (ironic, I know) since the only one I was pretty sure on was Trfel, but no one wanted to lynch him and I didn't have any further arguments apart from what I already posted. Plus, yeah, I get stubborn and tunnel about people being insincere, when their words don't line up with their actions. GB never felt like a good lynch to me. I didn't want to lynch LS. I feel I've got a pretty good tone read on my brother, so I didn't want to lynch JarJar. And no, I didn't want to lynch WW either. I actually was still deciding what to do when JarJar claimed and didn't see it until I'd already changed my vote. There was something like 90 seconds left at that time. If anything, I found the lynch immensely frustrating. And much as I think that geript can't be scum unless I'm wrong on either JarJar or GB, that trfel in two pools thing still is niggling at me. It may not mean anything, though, odd as it seems and much as geript didn't want to actually explain it >< Look at Russian Mafia for geripts last scum game, it was a really good scum game for him one that he probably should of hard carried to the victory. Honestly its one of the reasons hes not my #1 town, he makes me more paranoid than HF does as scum I think. Its a pretty small lynch pool for you tomorrow then? This post shows that you obviously respect geripts mafia play yet you are clearing him solely based of the fact that he pulled the vote or off a town or at least attempted to in two EoDs. Why is this so convincing to you, why is it impossible he does this as scum? It is very possible im being really dumb here because yeah one of the people saying no lynching is dumb has to be town but i still don't understand what is so bad with no lynching. Yes we will have one less town voice and yes it will most likely be Geript because everyone seems to have him as town. I don't see why we can't even decide the lynch today, the nk happens and we just lynch that person. One town voting wrong can still fuck up the lynch today so i still don't think we are in that much of a worse position tomorrow if not a better one because whoever dies will be confirmed town. I also scrolled through Horn of Africa and Breshke was much the same in it though I haven't copied any posts from it. Breshke acted much the same except his posts were much shorter. What I got out of this is that as scum, Breshke is a lot more certain on what he thinks. He calls people scum without hesitation, and his tone is also a lot harsher, calling other people useless, and in general being a lot more aggressive. As town he's more subdued, interacts a lot with his townreads and tries to figure the game out that way, but is never certain of being right. He also spends a decent amount of time trying to figure the game out through different kinds of means in Horn of Africa, wondering why he didn't get RBed, why people haven't considered certain things, etc. As mafia, his questions seem to have a clear direction in that he either forces the attention away from himself or that they give a solid opinion on himself. As town, they seem to be more searching for answers. I still need to look through his filter again with these insights. Last time I did I thought it made him look town though. It's possible that he's made massive alterations to his scumgame in terms of tone due to this very post, but ehhh. I'm more convinced on Wave.
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On April 28 2015 07:57 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Searching my posts for Breshke Tone netted me this from an absolutely amazing player: On March 27 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:That's fair. I just find the difference in tone between his mafia and town games very stark. I'll bring up a few examples. Here's Breshke as scum: + Show Spoiler +On December 17 2014 06:10 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:On December 17 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:On December 17 2014 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:On December 17 2014 06:02 IAmRobik wrote:Palmar, was she being honest whens he said she didn't like her role and you think she did that as mafia? + Show Spoiler +I typed he and then went back and changed all of them to she, because I refuse to believe that a mom takes a son of age 20 to get a haircut My mom wont let go of me I'm sorry for that and Palmer I really hate my role but I am town and I will do anything to win this game except let myself get lynched for dumb reasons. Well, you're now lynch target #1. Your time to shine bro, find a new #1. I headbanging right now and currently I waiting for sicklucker's first action today to determine his alignment this game. I don't like this its like you saaw Robik cleared coag for reffering to headbanging and you are trying to jump on some town cred What about people who have already posted do you think any of them are scummy? I think SL is someone easy to scum read and think this is a cop out. On December 17 2014 06:26 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote:On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote: Also don't like the fact that Breshke just asks 1,000 questions without contributing anything. Also, his posts are very non-commital. "i don't like..." vs "LS is mafia because...." Because LS as either alignment plays very scared and seems to always be on the defensive and not giving reads. I'll be very surprised if scum LS fakeclaims VT that early though so i actually think he is town. Also its like 7:30 am here I shouldn't even be awake. On December 17 2014 06:36 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:32 justanothertownie wrote:On December 17 2014 06:30 Breshke wrote:On December 17 2014 06:28 justanothertownie wrote:On December 17 2014 06:26 Breshke wrote:On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote:On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote: Also don't like the fact that Breshke just asks 1,000 questions without contributing anything. Also, his posts are very non-commital. "i don't like..." vs "LS is mafia because...." Because LS as either alignment plays very scared and seems to always be on the defensive and not giving reads. I'll be very surprised if scum LS fakeclaims VT that early though so i actually think he is town.
Also its like 7:30 am here I shouldn't even be awake. The bolded is at best stupid. Why First of all calling it fakeclaiming VT is a little weird for me. Theoretically every player in this game should be claiming VT. I also don't get "that early". Why do you think he wouldn't claim VT as mafia? At what point in time do you think he does? I said if scum ls fakeclaims VT did you read the entire sentence? In the theoretical world of LS being scum him claiming VT would indeed be a fakeclaim. I don't think he claims VT this early because it shuts down a lot of his options for the rest of the game in terms of role claiming. I think as mafia he claims VT D1 when votes are piling against him and closer to EoD. He had 0 votes on him and it has been what under 3 hours since the game started. as mafia i think he would try talk his way out first. On December 17 2014 12:14 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 12:12 sicklucker wrote: Well if anyone should get semi lynched on the basis that there useless its kush. Ive played with him four times and hes been utterly useless in everygame for whatever team hes on. People keep saying that he sometimes trys as town but I just dont see it. Do you think kush is useless town or useless mafia? Do you think you should be lynching people that are scummy or that are useless? On January 07 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 11:42 liancourt wrote: Wheres the voting thread cos i found scum What happend to the game being hard? still havnt explained why the game would be hard. (I find this one interesting because I feel like it shows Breshke putting attention to things that aren't really important which gives your point some credence) On January 08 2015 07:10 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote: oh and Ls admitted he claimed day 1 in EVERYGAME which ddefends me and makes me obvious town to anyone with a brain can you stop with this shit loo at the context of some of his claims. Of course he is going to claim cop when he gets lynched and that carol game hardly counts either because wasn't his role useless or something? He also didn't claim in his mafia game so stop saying every game like you are trying to justify your scummy actions. Now what is your read on LS. Are you now saying you arn't null on him? If you are explain how it went from scum to null. On January 08 2015 07:14 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:05 sicklucker wrote:On January 08 2015 06:59 Breshke wrote:On January 08 2015 00:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:On January 07 2015 14:21 Breshke wrote:Being fully caught up why do you direct questions to three other people yet not me who you think is scum Also lian did answer eventually On January 07 2015 12:25 liancourt wrote:On January 07 2015 12:20 Breshke wrote: It was a bit less active at the start than i am used to but i have no reason to think this game will be harder than any other nor did i say it would be. Thats why im interested in why you think it will be harder? More or less what u think And the fact that there is no clear vet to lead town this game. More defensive players than aggresive players Not sure what was gotten out of delaying the answer so long and getting me to answer first though. Oh, no. I noticed his answer, and I wholeheartedly agree that him answering was a complete delay. Also, I was gonna follow up with a question on him on why he cared what you think, and why the information on how the game will be harder is even relevant in terms of finding scum. I'm also disappointed in the fact that I was gone for 9 hours, and we only have one page of posts since. Now Breshke. What is your view on Lian? Do you agree with some of the cases that have been thrown around? Meh, most of the cases on Lian are that he is acting differently to how he normally does and i have no idea if this is true or what it means because im too lazy to read past games. I don't understand why he is purposly acting like a dick because if he is town i don't think that's the way to go about getting people to listen to you but being a dick doesn't equal mafia. I do think he is town though because even though his case is shit on LS he seems to actually want people to comment on it and that feels town motivated to me. I am intrested to see what happens when he comes back to the thread though. So i also think bunnies is town because the questions she has been asking while may not be like scum hunting are obviously there to get conversation flowing which is obviously something this game needs so im happy to call her town for now. I was also liking Eden because he seemed to be on the same thought process as me about sicklucker but has seemingly flipped now for reasons that i feel are really weak. Also sicklucker could you explain how you went from scum to null on LS (I've included your posts and the only one he made in between in the spoiler tag.+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2015 01:41 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote: For now I town reading Oats and Lian since Oats seemed much more like himself from Student Mafia IV and Lian posts being genuine about his stuff on me. I finding that sicklucker early town read kind of questionable because I not done anything townie yet he giving me a very early town read. Unless he's basing off of meta he should have no reason to town read me this early. I dont read you town man. Infact im scum reading you now for ignoring my qeustion On January 08 2015 01:45 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:25 sicklucker wrote:On January 07 2015 10:41 Breshke wrote:On January 07 2015 10:21 sicklucker wrote: I see a big leak in his town game. I roll town its a good time to fix that and increase my chances of winning If I roll scum I dont want him to know.
Its not tmi your over thinking it. There is like probably 11/14 chance hes town. Thats really good odds
He claimed his role in everyone of his 4 or 5 games. Its a very bad thing to do im trying to lead town to victory!
So lets go to bed and get fresh heads and not graph at straws. Goodnight You can go to bed its fine don't feel like you need to stay here and interact theres plenty of time left but i have more to say. On January 07 2015 07:09 sicklucker wrote:On January 07 2015 07:03 LightningStrike wrote:On January 07 2015 07:01 sicklucker wrote: You always out your role on game one, like in literally everygame. So please keep that to a mini Lmum its not good for town I only soft claimed on Carol on Day 1 then Day 2 I hard claimed. First game you claimed cop day1 second game you were mafia third game you claimed a role on day 1. You were like barely a role fourth game you claimed vt on day 1 (metal) fifth game ......... your 6th game please dont do it thanks. Coaching towns to victorys Here you clearly say he doesn't claim in his second game and his claim in his first was completely justified because he was getting and still got lynched. So he hasn't claimed his role in every one of his games. To me it looks like you tried to enter the thread by looking helpful with a warning to LS about something he most likely knows already. At not one point have you tried to work out alignments except saying ls has a 11/14 chance of being town . Even when i call you out you just call me terrible, am i terrible town or terrible mafia? Hey Ls I know you dont know this so can you verify this is new information to you? Also the one game he didnt claim day 1 he was mafia. He claimed in 4/4 games as town on day 1. So ya I have good reasons to ask him not too. Yes game 1 was not his fault but it was 4/4 The only time I didn't claimed yes was I was scum but it because we killed both power roles in the first 36 hours of the game. Game 1 it was sort for telling them it was Detective not Cop but it was because I got the role pm saying it was Detective and I was getting lynched and had to claim. Yes I claimed 4/4 I soft claimed at Carol on Day 1 but my role wouldn't matter though as kush claimed Scrooge Day 1 and made me useless even if I wasn't roleblocked -_-. On January 08 2015 01:49 sicklucker wrote: Ok thats a good answer by Ls. back to null. Everyone thinking I townread ls is funny. All I did was coach him to not do a mistake he just admitted to doing in EVERYONE of his town games.
I dont know wtf he is but since im town I dont want him screwing up this one too if hes town. He went a reread stuff and gave his usual cute defend everyone answer. But he did defend a confirmed mafia so your right it might be a bad read You flipflop in this post. How was he defending everyone? In the only post between your two posts where you change your read he only defends himself. Also how would you know if he reread stuff or not? On January 08 2015 09:39 Breshke wrote: Saying i have a scumread for the sole reason someone ignored one of your posts and then ignoring one of mine is so convincing keep going you are doing great looking town!
On January 09 2015 05:04 Breshke wrote: Im unvoting sicklucker.
I also think the HTS and VA wagons are both bad Breshke as Town: + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:None its shit i know. I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well. Who is your biggest scum right now? On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 18:32 jarjarbinks wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote: What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for. IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote: I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy On January 18 2015 15:30 Breshke wrote:So not sure how I missed it but GB has given scum reads + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:46 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 13:43 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason? Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? It means that his explanation does not line up with what I know of him. The vote I could really care less about. I think it's preemptive but not alignment indicative. His explanation for it directly contradicts the simple fact that Trfel plays effectively with a low post count, and LS is right in that I don't think I've ever seen him policy lynch. (Note that my vote never made it to the voting thread. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I want him to explain to me why the sudden near-180 in his play.) This is bullshit. You never tell someone you're doing a pressure vote because you reveal you're doing it just for pressure. You're just trying to push him to look contributive. xP Lol, sure. Cause it wasn't at all straight up mimicking him or anything to make a point. GB, how much do I really need to do to look contributive? You may want to finish reading the thread before you start making judgments. Just not telling people you're pressuring that you're pressuring them. This makes you contributive. AAAAAND I'm done catching up. Trfel is definetely town DP may be town Rasputin may be town LS may be scum Cool TL name may be scum jar jar may be scum Damdred you'll have to puke green this game. On January 17 2015 22:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote: I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..) Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I understand the thing abou jar jar, but his opening is very bad and it fits more of a scum perspective because: (1) If there is an ongoing discussion, opening the game saying that he is excited without giving any thoughts is extremely contradictory and it doesn't fit town perspective. If he is excited, he saw something different. If he saw something different, he will probably comment it. This means his excitement is a forced emotion. (2) An opening post suggesting a no lynch is something comety disconnected. A no lynch discussion helps no one but mafia. A no lynch is only helpful to town in specific situations and that's definetely not day1. And, if the game is exciting, a no lynch isn't the correct conclusion? Anyway, he just ignores the ongoing discussion to throw a bad idea into the thread. Regarding LS, the question doesn't takes him anywhere. If he doesn't know what BS is, asking "what is this" is more appropriate. The way he phrases it ("I've never seen you using this term before") sounds like there is a meta behind it when actually there isn't. This sounds, on a vacuum, that he is trying to look like a townie pursuing information asking questions that are information-less. Now, it is proven that I have a good grasp on damdreds play. He won against me as scum last game. He will not be sparred. The thing is GB hasn't pushed these reads at all nor has he even tried to interact with his two scumreads (jarjar and LS). Instead he talks about how he will push lurkers and what not which yeah is good in a filler kind of way but not actually constructive. Especially when you look at his LS scumread who many people are actually townreading. He isn't trying to pressure or question LS to see if he is wrong or to try get more information to convince others with. He just seems happy to have scum reads. So GB is leaning scum for now On January 20 2015 13:26 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:08 geript wrote: @Breshke. I want you to do vote analysis Pre-switch, pre claim. I'm actually interested in what you think there. Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 06:47 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count
Damdred (2): rsoultin, LightningStrike jarjarbinks (4): Breshke, Damdred, GlowingBear, LoneMeow GlowingBear (6): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk, jarjarbinks, The Shining, Trfel
Currently, GlowingBear is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. I assume this is the vote you mean geript So the two leading wagons are (pending CC on JarJar or a doc claim) both town. I think when it is town v town mafia is more likely to spread their votes out because they don't care who gets lynched. This is one of the reasons I want to lynch LM next because i think there is at least one scum not on the GB wagon here. If this was a final vote count rsoultin would probably look fairly bad but it isnt so i cant really look at this the same way since reads still had time to be pushed. On January 20 2015 13:34 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:14 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 13:07 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 12:57 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you. On January 17 2015 18:32 jarjarbinks wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote: [quote]
LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for. IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote: I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy So this post here, Breshke. I remember this catching my attention but then I forgot. The meta read obviously doesn't hold that much weight, though I'd think you'd have a read on LS cause you've played with him more. My question is...do you put LS' play early game in the same category as GB's and Trfel's? This almost seems like a problem with semantics, from my pov. Um im not exactly sure what you mean but i think the answer is no. GB and trefel both purposely set out to create discussion with opening posts that people would find weird and what not. Whereas LS created discussion by just being LS. The point was both sides were still creating discussion but he seemed to only be townreading LS for it. LS was also his only town read at the time and he seemed fairly certain and i couldnt understand why because as i found both his reasons lacking. I wouldn't say i have a meta read on LS i havn't played nearly enough games with him or anyone to have any meta reads. I agree that LS can easily be misread as scum when he is town but I also think that works a lot for him when he is mafia because people who have played with him before seem more inclined to town read him like I even found myself doing it this game. You may be right. I thought he was pretty obvious scum in his scum game, personally...spent all day arguing it lol. But you may be right. I know that I get the feeling sometimes in these games with vets that newbies get picked on, because a lot of them have trouble appearing town. Like, I expect mafia to capitalize on that. (I realize I'm a newbie, too, but reads are my problem way more than getting townread, generally.) All I'm saying is that generating discussion by posting something what is the word? Contradictory is wrong. Controversial. Posting something controversial vice pressuring and asking questions seem different enough to me to not require someone to read them the same way. That's why this post got my attention. Do you disagree? No you are right they are different. What LS was doing was actually pushing the game forward to scumhunt. So yeah you are right about me just arguing semantics I guess i just never really thought of it out of the context of creating discussion vs creating discussion. Here is where i say i still don't understand how he was reading LS as his one and only town because i still think his reasons were weak because I think LS could easily ask questions as scum. That being said the read as right and LS is town the same as Jarjar so it could easily be me who has to think about stuff differently Also something I'm noting whilst going through this game is that Breshke interacts a LOT with his townreads and barely with his scumreads as town. On January 24 2015 10:09 Breshke wrote: A team of DP + 1 that isnt LM is making me really paranoid.
I don't understand DP's play. People have been saying him and LM could be a team even geript who had been townreading him. He then continues to defend LM seemingly without really thinking about it or analyzing it. As town i would think he would be more careful and actually look into it properly as people already think they are a team and think LM is probable scum, even geript.
I get this weird sense that he wants that he wants to look like he is aligned with LM because none really seems to be considering him a possible scum outside of that team. On January 25 2015 17:29 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 11:50 geript wrote: It's really odd the Breshke isn't flipping the fuck out our anything. Like he was literally 1 vote off of getting lynched. It's like business as usual. That's really funky. Is this alignment indicative at all? It isn't if i was scum i would react the same way as town because as both alignments i wouldn't want to get lynched. I didn't freak or rage at anyone because how could I? I as afk for like the last 16 hours of that day I knew shit was going to go down. For DP + Show Spoiler +On January 19 2015 05:23 Breshke wrote: GB if damdred wadsnt an option who would you go for? This is my first post after waking up it is at 6:53 am my time deadline is at 8:30 am. My dad is a tradie and has recently left his buisness to go and work on his own so i have been helping him out every couple days. I wake up at 6 when i go to work with him and get ready to leave the house around 7. After this it involves a ton of driving during which i was phone posting in the thread. I have a Samsung galaxy S2 which is a fairly old phone ive had it for a number of years now and it does this weird thing where it randomly heats up using all the battery and killing the phone. So after an hour of trying to keep up with the thread my phone starts fucking up so i turn it off to try cool the battery and it doesn't turn back on hence battery is dead. Also we arn't lynching anyone tomorrow because i assume JJB dies tonight and then mafia needs to kill someone who is not confirmed. Also damdred i think both of your scum from your PoE are wrong. I know my filter is crap this game but seriously look at RSo's how can you think she is scum can you explain it without PoE? Honestly i feel the reasons you cleared DP and geript to be fairly weak and don't see how you are ignoring everything else that has happened in the game because of it. On January 27 2015 14:46 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote:On January 27 2015 12:16 DarthPunk wrote:On January 27 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote: DP why do you not see a scum team with me not in it? Cause: Geript is town and Damdred looks townie whenever he tries. Day one and Last lynch. I think the Vote yesterday was scum/town due to weird lynch inertia and the vote being so closely contested. You conveniently afk'd from two lynches and were there just before the lynch of LM before disappearing again as noted by geript. Rso - Shining whilst possible doesn't make as much sense due to the way Rso refused to swap her vote to you yesterday which, if she is scum and you are town is a completely arbitary decision. ALSO Your play changed weirdly at mylo. I wasn't around for like over 12 hours before the LM lynch i don't know if you are flat out lieing or are just mistaken you might want to go look. Explain the weird inertia? How would that lynch have been different if it was town/town? Also how is my play different? Stop calling me scum for things and not explaining them Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote: Also why do you think damdred has only been tring D1 and around the LM lynch? The time when he has not been trying correlates with LS getting a red check which very well could have demotivated him.
Also @damdred im really suprised you don;t even consider no lynching. Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 12:01 Damdred wrote:On January 19 2015 11:58 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 11:49 Damdred wrote: I have to cover all of my basis though, and we actually need to analysis the claim.
Firstly, there are two possible scenerios that involve a tracker. One is Cop tracker and one is tracker doctor. I thought about it as JarJar softing, but he cannot possibly know still that a medic exists in this setup as we are down to a 50/50 if he is the tracker. If we see a doc/cop flip obviously hes mafia, there might be something there and its still possibly a scum slip instead of a soft. I know it sounds tin foil, but its something we have to consider down the line and JarJar isn't confirmed if he isn't shot obviously. And if cop flips and doc flips.outs we at least have one mafia already there. So just figured I would talk it out before moving down.
Trfel should be the lynch tomorrow, maybe LM, and we still have to evaluate a couple more people. I'm going to heal Dp tonight obviously, hes the most towny person in the game.
I"m not sure if we should kill breshke tomorrow I like some of his posts but we need to pressure him a bit more, and talk me through your EoD rsoultin. Eh, messy. Was trying to work out my thoughts with Lonemeow (ironic, I know) since the only one I was pretty sure on was Trfel, but no one wanted to lynch him and I didn't have any further arguments apart from what I already posted. Plus, yeah, I get stubborn and tunnel about people being insincere, when their words don't line up with their actions. GB never felt like a good lynch to me. I didn't want to lynch LS. I feel I've got a pretty good tone read on my brother, so I didn't want to lynch JarJar. And no, I didn't want to lynch WW either. I actually was still deciding what to do when JarJar claimed and didn't see it until I'd already changed my vote. There was something like 90 seconds left at that time. If anything, I found the lynch immensely frustrating. And much as I think that geript can't be scum unless I'm wrong on either JarJar or GB, that trfel in two pools thing still is niggling at me. It may not mean anything, though, odd as it seems and much as geript didn't want to actually explain it >< Look at Russian Mafia for geripts last scum game, it was a really good scum game for him one that he probably should of hard carried to the victory. Honestly its one of the reasons hes not my #1 town, he makes me more paranoid than HF does as scum I think. Its a pretty small lynch pool for you tomorrow then? This post shows that you obviously respect geripts mafia play yet you are clearing him solely based of the fact that he pulled the vote or off a town or at least attempted to in two EoDs. Why is this so convincing to you, why is it impossible he does this as scum? It is very possible im being really dumb here because yeah one of the people saying no lynching is dumb has to be town but i still don't understand what is so bad with no lynching. Yes we will have one less town voice and yes it will most likely be Geript because everyone seems to have him as town. I don't see why we can't even decide the lynch today, the nk happens and we just lynch that person. One town voting wrong can still fuck up the lynch today so i still don't think we are in that much of a worse position tomorrow if not a better one because whoever dies will be confirmed town. I also scrolled through Horn of Africa and Breshke was much the same in it though I haven't copied any posts from it. Breshke acted much the same except his posts were much shorter. What I got out of this is that as scum, Breshke is a lot more certain on what he thinks. He calls people scum without hesitation, and his tone is also a lot harsher, calling other people useless, and in general being a lot more aggressive. As town he's more subdued, interacts a lot with his townreads and tries to figure the game out that way, but is never certain of being right. He also spends a decent amount of time trying to figure the game out through different kinds of means in Horn of Africa, wondering why he didn't get RBed, why people haven't considered certain things, etc. As mafia, his questions seem to have a clear direction in that he either forces the attention away from himself or that they give a solid opinion on himself. As town, they seem to be more searching for answers. I still need to look through his filter again with these insights. Last time I did I thought it made him look town though. It's possible that he's made massive alterations to his scumgame in terms of tone due to this very post, but ehhh. I'm more convinced on Wave. i just don't think your toneread is that good art...lol >< when it comes right down to it you decided he was town in the first hour of the game and haven't changed your mind or reconsidered since, and frankly, i don't think this is a good way to read him anyway I did re-eval him a bit earlier but then, ironically, wave came with a good reason to TR him and I was convinced once more. I'll give him a more thorough mulling over tomorrow.
On April 28 2015 08:03 Palmar wrote: Lynch WaveOfShadow.
This game is so boring because people don't do what I want them to do yet no one is trying to lynch me. I did try to lynch you but you were afk and everyone else disagreed. It was annoying.
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I don't feel your reason for townreading Wave is strong at all. That's something he'd definitely do as scum as it gets you easy town points. It's a way to look town without doing any real analysis. That's motive enough for mafia.
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I'm still ok on the Wave wagon though the fact that so many people are too does worry me but eh.
What I didn't like about his posting yesterday was that he really didn't spend much time actually commenting on his biggest scumread (Yamato). There was this..
On April 28 2015 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote:I'm also not really sure why Rsoul is so aggro towards breshke. It just seems really out of place. KK yamato. I mean...I don't really even have anything I comment on. Dude's not here, not playing. Like...super minor push on Artanis, and ONE post on me while fingering me earlier in the thread---honestly makes it seem like he was looking for a reason to scumread me when he posted this: Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 15:08 yamato77 wrote:Before I delve into your posts, Damdred, I'll say that I haven't liked Artanis from the start, so it's pretty easy for me to get on to the idea of him being mafia. His whole "you made me mad so now I'm NOT going to play the game" thing was a weak response to my pressure and I should have pushed it more. His trfel read kinda synced with mine a bit at eod so I wavered but with rso basically calling him (trfel) conf town I dunno if my read is even good so I can't give Artanis much credit there even if we had the same problem with trfel. So I assume you mean these posts, where you outline your problems with Artanis On April 26 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote: Talk to me about Artanis Rsoultin. artie is hard for me to read :/ like...i liked his post about you xP i wouldn't lynch you over yamato but i see a lot of the things he brought up as well. it's sorta a soft defense of yamato? but if yamato is scum i almost feel like it's in artanis' favor to jump on that rather than try to direct the lynch elsewhere i also like how he revisited his truffle read >< and yes i'm aware that this is just me agreeing with what he's saying my problem is i know he has a good scumgame; i've seen him just give up as scum but he came back into today willing to discuss things and reads and i can see his thought progression i kinda feel like it's to scum's advantage to let the thread continue to stagnate, which wasn't the sense i got from him today (or you, for that matter) which is one of the reasons why i'm feeling a bit better about the both of you and a bit worse about truffle A few things really, I felt like today particularly there was a bit more omgus in Artanis for instance in how he dealt with me. Are my reads at that point in the thread substantial? Not really no, are they up to my standards? No not really. But he would rather think i should be the lynch than Yamato? That doesn't necessarily make sense to me in that regard. For instance look at what hes done this day, hes called my case on trfel bad. Which maybe it is, i think that there still might be something there. Voted Palmar unvoted, and then said that I should be the lynch over Yamato. Not sure that there is much reevaluation. Also it is also of note that he didn't get really active for his burst until I pinged him out. Which is interesting. I can't really speak to the flow of the game sort of stuff like OMGUS response and reactive activity seeing as I'm reading everything in hindsight, so this post in and of itself doesn't mean a whole lot to me. On April 26 2015 07:15 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 07:10 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 07:04 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote: Talk to me about Artanis Rsoultin. artie is hard for me to read :/ like...i liked his post about you xP i wouldn't lynch you over yamato but i see a lot of the things he brought up as well. it's sorta a soft defense of yamato? but if yamato is scum i almost feel like it's in artanis' favor to jump on that rather than try to direct the lynch elsewhere i also like how he revisited his truffle read >< and yes i'm aware that this is just me agreeing with what he's saying my problem is i know he has a good scumgame; i've seen him just give up as scum but he came back into today willing to discuss things and reads and i can see his thought progression i kinda feel like it's to scum's advantage to let the thread continue to stagnate, which wasn't the sense i got from him today (or you, for that matter) which is one of the reasons why i'm feeling a bit better about the both of you and a bit worse about truffle A few things really, I felt like today particularly there was a bit more omgus in Artanis for instance in how he dealt with me. Are my reads at that point in the thread substantial? Not really no, are they up to my standards? No not really. But he would rather think i should be the lynch than Yamato? That doesn't necessarily make sense to me in that regard. For instance look at what hes done this day, hes called my case on trfel bad. Which maybe it is, i think that there still might be something there. Voted Palmar unvoted, and then said that I should be the lynch over Yamato. Not sure that there is much reevaluation. Also it is also of note that he didn't get really active for his burst until I pinged him out. Which is interesting. hmm that may be true i'd have to take another look at when he started talking :/ and his general read progression on the both of y'all there was definitely re-evaluation on truffle, though, that much i'm sure of and i kinda get the vote palmar, unvote thing...isn't it a thing to push palmar to see how he responds to get a read? i thought it was. i know that palmar typically encourages it, and palmar did come out looking more townie for it lol >< anyway give me a bit to look into that Well one thing to understand about Palmar is in this type of situation what does one vote do? Its no where close to picking up steam he is in peoples POE list but does that guarantee hes going to get up and going just because he has 1/5 votes needed its not pressurish at all imo. It could of turned into that if other people hopped on the wagon, but i'm not so sure about it especially. But Art did push off a Yamato lynch I believe when he first started talking about me after my trfel post earlier in this cycle. And then he said i should be the lynch over Yamato because my reads aren't intricate and mostly fluff. But then he neither pushes Palmar for l ynch really or pushes me to an extent, if you think that Yamato shouldnt' be the lynch and either one of Palmar/Damdred should why would you sit back and really do nothing to influence what people think? that's a fair point. i thought he was scumreading yamato though? On April 24 2015 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I definitely don't want to lynch Yamato today or probably any day. His mafia game is much worse than what he's shown so far and he cares too much. Just an exert then we have this On April 26 2015 03:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Meta is great though. Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.
Actually a problem I see in his filter is that he's droning on about the same things over and over again. First WoS, then the thing with me on waiting for Palmar/BH to contribute, and then on BH. He doesn't really re-evaluate anything nor does he share many thoughts on other things than whatever he's chasing at the time.
Could prob lynch/10. On April 26 2015 03:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 26 2015 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 26 2015 03:20 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 12:08 WaveofShadow wrote: They were real reads before I realized the premise was wrong. And why the fuck do I have to call you town? Why are you fishing for townreads from me yamato? You're behaving so oddly, and it's not even your normal hyper-aggressive early game push that Im used to.
I just wanted to wreck scum with you for once. Just once. Apparently it was too much to ask. from the one who doesn't like to use meta xP It's an observation, and I'm not calling him scum based on that. He's absolutely behaving oddly, even ignoring what I already know of him. On April 26 2015 03:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 26 2015 03:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.
Where did I do this? And no in my experience meta is shit terrible, and I am certainly not marv, one of very few people who can maybe attempt to use it correctly. essentially the call is are we feeling lynchy or do we wait for yamato And frankly by the time 48h rolls around im always feeling lynchy I want to see a flip so I'll sheep rsoul ##unvote ##vote: yamato77 Sorry, I didn't mean that you did this, I meant that I did that. So that means you found him town earlier based on him pushing some stuff 'cause meta and now you're rethinking it? Basically, yes. I think I might want to lynch Damdred over him though. His list post is followed by a bunch of fluff that doesn't really say anything and doesn't have any of the intricate reads Damdred usually has. It's so unrefined and fluffy, and his apologetic tone on "I know it's pretty global" only compounds it. Finally this, i went through Arts filter and there is no Yamato scum read in it. Just things like, I could make better posts but that doesn't make Yamato scum etc., This post, where you ping out his changing read on me, is quite interesting. Notably, I literally haven't given a new read since eod, so how could Artanis go from such a confident strong townread to such a weak justification of voting for me in such a short time? ritoky did this sort of thing as scum in the last game and it really brought him forward to me as possible mafia. His follow-up where he continues to push you while casually calling me mafia is quite interesting though. Wouldn't it be really easy for scum Artanis to just flock to the herd rather than continue to ping you out? Still don't see any reason not to lynch Yamato but for some reason I'm starting to think of unflipped scumteams (bad wave bad) and palmar/yamato makes a great deal of sense considering how quickly yamato just flew off his radar for no good reason. Although then again everything Palmar has done this game hasn't been for much good reason so I still don't know what to think of it. Artanis getting sick of Palmar and wants to lynch him---at first glance seems really bad since Artanis didn't care about Palmar's weak pushing up until now, but to wait for THIS long to try and get Palmar lynched from scum seems weird...like why not try it earlier since it's not like Palmar has done anything differently? Unless it's Artanis just trying to look for a new target I don't THINK that comes from scum. I was about to ask who Artanis wants to lynch now but I think it's me. Fair. I guess yamato remains my target then since apology post from Trfel and while there are other possibilities, yamato seems like the most solid choice. As far as voting for afkers goes we have a limit now, and it's likely people (especially me) are going to be away for deadline so like I said before people are going to have to get over the fact that they're lynching someone who's afk. If it's me so be it. But does it really push him? Not really. "I guess yamato remains my target", not really any strength behind it. He gives two reasons for scumreading Yamato (Not playing + 2 minor pushes) and in then a bit later starts commenting on an unflipped association between Palmar and Yamato that doesn't go anywhere. He also points out a bunch of things he dislikes about me, but then in the end says he doesn't THINK he wants to lynch me.
I just don't see any direction or focus behind his postings. People are on top of him and he's just continuing giving random comments rather than focussing on his lynch; Yamato.
There's still lots of doubts in my mind because I really don't think the way he's been posting is the most likely for scum!wave to survive and I think he has a good scumgame but urghhhh maybe he's just got a bad scumgame this time.
##Vote WaveOfShadow
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And I lied, I'm not going to check Breshke today because not enough people want to lynch him. I will check Yamato though.
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Fine, I'll check Breshke too.
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I think I might actually want to lynch Yamato. Going through a few of his towngames he comments on so many more things than he has this game, where he's been really fixated on a very small amount of things (BH whom he didn't really have a strong read on one way or the other but still comments on, the thing I commented on regarding Palmar/BH, and later just tunneling on me with a passerby comment on Trfel until I'm no longer a popular target when he just jumps the bandwagon onto Wave). It feels like his radar is much smaller than it usually is on towngames. I scrolled through Guilty, for example, and pretty much every post comments on someone else. LXVII, same thing though less so. Devil, same thing.
Problem is that his play isn't really similar to his last scumgame where he tried either (Survivor). However, I'd argue that Yamato has commented on how much he's disliked playing scum (it's in the big post at the end of Survivor). I'd also argue that his focus on small things/singular people is easier to do than his usual towngame. It also feels very convenient how his reads match town sentiment all the time, swapping to lynching Wave as soon as I'm no longer a viable target.
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On April 29 2015 03:28 rsoultin wrote: hmmm
so, you're saying it doesn't look like either of his games, but you think it's more likely scum than town?
what makes you want to lynch him the most, though? I think it's more likely scum than town because the way he's been playing is easier to do than what he normally does as town coupled with the fact that he dislikes playing scum. His town games I considered have also been more recent.
What makes me want to lynch him the most, and this is less meta and more just general is that he focuses so much on small things like the BH thing, my comment regarding BH/Palmar and then only commenting on me whilst ignoring pretty much everything else going in the thread other than a passerby comment on Trfel, then stepping off and joining the Wave bandwagon as soon as my bandwagon dies down.
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So, Breshke. First thought: Filter length. I've analyzed before that his filter length as scum is slightly shorter than his towngame on average. Last two games:
Mafia: Metal Mini: 1page per 21.5 pages alive NYE: 1page per 17.6 pages alive
Town: Student: 1 page per 13.4 pages alive Horn of Africa: 1 page per 16.5 pages alive
This game: 1 page per 9.833 pages alive
Activity wise, he's more active than he's probably ever been. Though it isn't the strongest meta, I'd say it does vouch in favour of him.
Tonewise, I also think is similar to his towngames. I've mentioned this before.
Rsoultin has mentioned two cores thing for her scumread on Breshke: Lacking in original thoughts, and not scumreading anyone. I'd like to add to that that I've felt his scumgames showed a certain amount of TMI in his reads, and he goes for the easy targets. He went after Coag in Metal Mini for posting songs which is not alignment indicative, as an example.
The problem I have with Rso's comment regarding original thoughts is that it's uncheckable without going through entire games and I'm not willing to invest THAT much time into digging into his meta. Presuming she's correct, it's right that Breshke hasn't given much original thought this game. However, I didn't feel that way during LXX either so it's not really a reason for me to scumread him.
Not scumreading anyone: This game, I don't think that's true. He's voted BH, he's voted Yamato and he still thinks Yamato is scum. His reasons haven't been particularly original, but he is pushing someone. He's also gone after Rsoultin earlier, though he never ended up voting her.
TMI: Possible. He townreads a lot of people, but it hasn't been apparent the way it has been in previous games. Doesn't really feel the case.
Picking the easiest targets: Not really the case either. He's gone after Rsoultin who seems pretty much unlynchable and is unwilling to vote for Wave, still believing Yamato to be the most likely person to flip scum. Going for Wave would probably ensure his survival, yet he's unwilling to do so. This'd be a weaker argument if Wave is scum too, but even then it's unlikely that neither of them is getting lynched.
Overall, I'm still pretty confident in Breshke being town. He's much more active than in his scumgames in the past, his tone checks out and the meta I pointed out all feels like it's coming from town Bresh.
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On April 29 2015 03:35 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 03:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think I might actually want to lynch Yamato. Going through a few of his towngames he comments on so many more things than he has this game, where he's been really fixated on a very small amount of things (BH whom he didn't really have a strong read on one way or the other but still comments on, the thing I commented on regarding Palmar/BH, and later just tunneling on me with a passerby comment on Trfel until I'm no longer a popular target when he just jumps the bandwagon onto Wave). It feels like his radar is much smaller than it usually is on towngames. I scrolled through Guilty, for example, and pretty much every post comments on someone else. LXVII, same thing though less so. Devil, same thing.
Problem is that his play isn't really similar to his last scumgame where he tried either (Survivor). However, I'd argue that Yamato has commented on how much he's disliked playing scum (it's in the big post at the end of Survivor). I'd also argue that his focus on small things/singular people is easier to do than his usual towngame. It also feels very convenient how his reads match town sentiment all the time, swapping to lynching Wave as soon as I'm no longer a viable target. But there are a few holes that I see in this. First, I don't think that it is inherently anti-town to focus on one thing at a time and jump around like yamato77 has been doing. What really matters is how you evaluate and consider everything at the key times (approaching a lynch), and yamato77 seems to be willing to consider everything when he is evaluating potential lynches. As for following the thread sentiment and not commenting on as much, it is a smaller game, and it is a slower game. To be honest, I don't feel like there is generally much to talk about that isn't the "thread sentiment". So while this doesn't look good for yamato77, and I could see myself lynching him, I can't confidently say that this makes him scum. Sort of like how I can't confidently scumread Breshke for having no unique pushes this game. Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:On January 18 2015 12:39 Damdred wrote: So you have no scum leans at least? None its shit i know. I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well. Who is your biggest scum right now? In addition to Breshke being cautious with his scumreads, this is a hard game. There's a difference between only commenting on things that town sentiment is talking about and literally following all of thread sentiment. I don't think Yamato has swayed from it in anything other than BH, but even then he didn't push it in any real way which actually makes him look worse. The only thing that actually makes me doubt on him is the way he treated me and took a reasonable approach regarding me. It felt kinda townie, but I can't ignore the rest of the game.
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I THINK I want to lynch Yamato over Wave today.
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If you could point out some of the original thoughts he had in Guardians that he feels lacking in here that'd help a lot, though I can imagine it's difficult to point them out after the game.
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On April 29 2015 03:58 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 03:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 29 2015 03:35 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2015 03:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think I might actually want to lynch Yamato. Going through a few of his towngames he comments on so many more things than he has this game, where he's been really fixated on a very small amount of things (BH whom he didn't really have a strong read on one way or the other but still comments on, the thing I commented on regarding Palmar/BH, and later just tunneling on me with a passerby comment on Trfel until I'm no longer a popular target when he just jumps the bandwagon onto Wave). It feels like his radar is much smaller than it usually is on towngames. I scrolled through Guilty, for example, and pretty much every post comments on someone else. LXVII, same thing though less so. Devil, same thing.
Problem is that his play isn't really similar to his last scumgame where he tried either (Survivor). However, I'd argue that Yamato has commented on how much he's disliked playing scum (it's in the big post at the end of Survivor). I'd also argue that his focus on small things/singular people is easier to do than his usual towngame. It also feels very convenient how his reads match town sentiment all the time, swapping to lynching Wave as soon as I'm no longer a viable target. But there are a few holes that I see in this. First, I don't think that it is inherently anti-town to focus on one thing at a time and jump around like yamato77 has been doing. What really matters is how you evaluate and consider everything at the key times (approaching a lynch), and yamato77 seems to be willing to consider everything when he is evaluating potential lynches. As for following the thread sentiment and not commenting on as much, it is a smaller game, and it is a slower game. To be honest, I don't feel like there is generally much to talk about that isn't the "thread sentiment". So while this doesn't look good for yamato77, and I could see myself lynching him, I can't confidently say that this makes him scum. Sort of like how I can't confidently scumread Breshke for having no unique pushes this game. On January 18 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:On January 18 2015 12:39 Damdred wrote: So you have no scum leans at least? None its shit i know. I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well. Who is your biggest scum right now? In addition to Breshke being cautious with his scumreads, this is a hard game. There's a difference between only commenting on things that town sentiment is talking about and literally following all of thread sentiment. I don't think Yamato has swayed from it in anything other than BH, but even then he didn't push it in any real way which actually makes him look worse. The only thing that actually makes me doubt on him is the way he treated me and took a reasonable approach regarding me. It felt kinda townie, but I can't ignore the rest of the game. Yamato's recent analyses of you and WaveofShadow were actually fairly good. And he was being reasonable. His inactivity is concerning, and he has been jumping around in his focus, but I just can't feel comfortable lynching him.... Part of me just wants to lynch all three (Breshke, WaveofShadow, and yamato77) and hope that both scum are between them. I'm just having such a hard time getting significantly more confident in any one lynch. They were okay, but they followed thread sentiment to the T. He had supposedly strong reasons to scumread me, then 15 minutes later jumps on Wave and never mentions me again. Doesn't try to get a better read on me or anything like that, and doesn't mention why he doesn't scumread me anymore. His case on Wave also came at a time when everyone was already scumreading Wave, so eh.
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On April 29 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 03:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If you could point out some of the original thoughts he had in Guardians that he feels lacking in here that'd help a lot, though I can imagine it's difficult to point them out after the game. Breshke was among my strongest townreads in Student VII (I replaced in) for having a ton of great townreads and insightful comments. Yes, it's a student game, but I haven't seen a single instance of these insightful comments from Breshke in this game. He's been sensible, but not inspiring. I just think it's much more likely he's got an off game content wise than for all these other factors that I've mentioned that were present in his scumgame to suddenly have changed.
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Hm, Trfel, I see what you mean. Yeah, he was definitely a lot more insightful there than he has been here. I just don't know if that makes him scum.
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On April 29 2015 04:12 Trfel wrote: Artanis, I have a really really stupid tone read question for you.
For most of this game, WaveofShadow has been frustrated and mad, or at least seemed that way to me.
Since he started being scumread, his tone became very reasonable and withdrawn, he didn't feel frustrated at all (the notable exception being his argument with rsoultin). But that seems to be a strange difference for me.
One possible explanation is that he spent most of this time discussing with me (who apparently he has decided is extremely weak and sensitive, thus he can't show frustration or I will go cry to my mommy). But I'm not sure that I buy this, so I wonder if that makes him look more scummy. Did you not feel that towards the end of his filter yesterday he was becoming much more angry?
Also, don't get me wrong, I still find Wave very suspicious and I'm actually quite torn between Wave/Yamato.
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On April 29 2015 04:16 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 04:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 29 2015 04:12 Trfel wrote: Artanis, I have a really really stupid tone read question for you.
For most of this game, WaveofShadow has been frustrated and mad, or at least seemed that way to me.
Since he started being scumread, his tone became very reasonable and withdrawn, he didn't feel frustrated at all (the notable exception being his argument with rsoultin). But that seems to be a strange difference for me.
One possible explanation is that he spent most of this time discussing with me (who apparently he has decided is extremely weak and sensitive, thus he can't show frustration or I will go cry to my mommy). But I'm not sure that I buy this, so I wonder if that makes him look more scummy. Did you not feel that towards the end of his filter yesterday he was becoming much more angry? Also, don't get me wrong, I still find Wave very suspicious and I'm actually quite torn between Wave/Yamato. Well, that was when he was fighting with rsoultin, and I don't really see how WaveofShadow would possibly not be angry there. Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 12:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 28 2015 12:01 Trfel wrote: WaveofShadow,
The main thing that I have a problem with in your play is that I don't really feel that you have been pushing your scumreads that hard. Do you mind explaining this for me?
Thanks! Look at the times I've been around and what I've talked about. Before I very recently townread you, look at all the posts I've made about you, and the times rsoul responded to me. That was all pushing you. I also pushed yamato yesterday. (And for the record not pushing a scumread 'that hard' isn't in itself a good scumread imo, but whatevs) Whether or not you or the rest of the thread 'feels' like I've been doing it doesn't really matter a great deal to me. I mean the only thing I suppose I can admit to is that my timing hasn't been amazing and the times I have been around while other people were, I sort of joined discussion where I could. This is probably the quote that stands out the most, I think. I basically make a comment that most would find insulting (even though I worded it really cautiously), and WaveofShadow responds completely reasonably and open. He isn't frustrated at all. Hm, that's interesting. Good find.
I kinda want to let other people talk a bit though. I'm pretty confident in townreading both you and arsoul at this point. It kinda bugs me that no one else is around.
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Bet this is a better case than anything Yamato can make.
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You're actually still putting Damdred above me?
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On April 29 2015 07:09 Palmar wrote: Because we're probably finally going to lynch WoS and the night is silent:
If I'm right, look at artanis first, then yamato and damdred.
If'm wrong, same three people. Also in that case, sorry.
If I'm right, you all suck. Thank you for your elaborate reasons.
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I am quite up for a plynch on Palmar regardless of the Wave lynch result tbh.
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On April 29 2015 07:31 rsoultin wrote: too long :/
i think palmar is town this game but i know he's trying to break meta. the problem with breaking meta when your meta is to be awful is then you just get mislynched. i'm perfectly happy with instigating the natural way of things lol >< Town Palmar tends to give a shit when he's about to get lynched though. At least, this used to be true.
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Wave, if you're town last reads would be nice.
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Also I'm gonna stop posting for now because I'm spending way more time on this game today than I wanted to in general and the lynch seems pretty set and I'm ok with it.
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On April 29 2015 08:19 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 08:17 yamato77 wrote:On April 29 2015 08:15 Trfel wrote: Yeah, maybe it is just that simple.
##unvote ##vote yamato77 I don't want to be a dick but this is truly pointless i actually agree with this. Like i like the sentiment trfel but all this might achieve is the day extending, not getting yamato lynched Actually, I may want to switch too. I'm actually quite torn.
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Who's currently on Yamato? Breshke/Wave/Trfel?
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I think Rso will switch to Yamato if I do to avoid a no lynch. I just dunno if I want to. I really dunno.
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On April 29 2015 07:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Can't do anything now, no time Palmar rsoul yamato pribably Could also be wrong on Trfel but doubt it
Gg Shouldn't have joined this game Does Wave even bother with this if he's scum?
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On April 29 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 08:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 29 2015 07:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Can't do anything now, no time Palmar rsoul yamato pribably Could also be wrong on Trfel but doubt it
Gg Shouldn't have joined this game Does Wave even bother with this if he's scum? dunno you did though xP I did it last min just to troll though.
I was tempted to switch to Yamato after finding out he hasn't been lynched as town in forever, but then I checked Wave and the same was true for him so that doesn't help.
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Trfel, the town alternative for Yamato I can see there is that he simply didn't really want to see BH lynched and that was his primary thought focus at the time.
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On April 29 2015 08:39 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 08:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 29 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:On April 29 2015 08:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 29 2015 07:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Can't do anything now, no time Palmar rsoul yamato pribably Could also be wrong on Trfel but doubt it
Gg Shouldn't have joined this game Does Wave even bother with this if he's scum? dunno you did though xP I did it last min just to troll though. I was tempted to switch to Yamato after finding out he hasn't been lynched as town in forever, but then I checked Wave and the same was true for him so that doesn't help. more stupid reasons just wtf none of these things have anything to do with me being mafia great job guys Sure it does; if you never get lynched as town yet you're at serious risk of being lynched when you get lynched as mafia all the time it makes you relatively more likely to be scum.
Unfortunately the same is true for Wave so that doesn't really help.
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On April 29 2015 08:39 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 08:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Trfel, the town alternative for Yamato I can see there is that he simply didn't really want to see BH lynched and that was his primary thought focus at the time. Enough to make him specifically state that he had no better lynch? I dunno. If he didn't follow it up with pushing me again before the lynch it does look pretty bad. I can imagine him not pushing me as alternative instantly, but he should realize it at some point before the lynch.
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Meh, I think I just want to stay on Wave as Yamato cares too much atm.
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On April 29 2015 08:41 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 08:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 29 2015 08:39 yamato77 wrote:On April 29 2015 08:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 29 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:On April 29 2015 08:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 29 2015 07:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Can't do anything now, no time Palmar rsoul yamato pribably Could also be wrong on Trfel but doubt it
Gg Shouldn't have joined this game Does Wave even bother with this if he's scum? dunno you did though xP I did it last min just to troll though. I was tempted to switch to Yamato after finding out he hasn't been lynched as town in forever, but then I checked Wave and the same was true for him so that doesn't help. more stupid reasons just wtf none of these things have anything to do with me being mafia great job guys Sure it does; if you never get lynched as town yet you're at serious risk of being lynched when you get lynched as mafia all the time it makes you relatively more likely to be scum. Unfortunately the same is true for Wave so that doesn't really help. I do get lynched as town I was almost lynched last game but mafia bussed too hard to make it happen this is horrid. bad players gonna bad, it has nothing to do with how I've played The point is things frequently happen that make you not get lynched as town which makes it statistically less likely for you to be town when you are in massive risk of getting lynched.
I don't want to switch now though so whatever.
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On April 29 2015 08:44 Palmar wrote: Like I'm sorry if I fucked this up. I just can't believe WoS would be such a monumental dick ever as town. You don't need to apologize as you weren't the one that got him lynched. That was Trfel and a bit of me.
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On April 29 2015 08:47 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 08:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Meh, I think I just want to stay on Wave as Yamato cares too much atm. He hasn't been caring for a while. And he cares only when he's at risk of being lynched. It's been 48 hours since yamato77 was seriously scumhunting (and his content was fairly good then, but still...). Were WaveofShadow mafia, I would think that mafia would jump all over this. I conclude that if WaveofShadow is mafia, then his partner is either not voting for him or isn't here. Which isn't very useful at all. There's only one other mafia player though. If it's Palmar, he can't really move off Wave given how he'd have been bussing him all game. If it's Breshke, he's already voting Yamato. The argument only really works for Damdred I think.
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Final reads list in case for some reason I die from town to scum: Rsoultin Trfel Breshke Damdred Palmar Yamato
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Breshke was high up in Damdred's townlist on D1. Seems likely he would've saved Breshke especially with both me and Palmar calling him our #1 town. I also really don't think it's likely scum would not shoot on N1 given medic saves and stuff can mess up their plans and cause town to have an additional lynch.
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Oh wait, he called Rsoultin his top town. I just looked at the list he made in a post right before the night and saw Breshke at the top, then I noticed he named Rso before it.
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Scum basically had to be certain on Dammy being a medic to shoot him though. Wonder what gave it away.
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It's not actually that great though, just means we need to no lynch once at mylo. But yeah, you're basically confirmed town now.
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Also, contrary to what I said in the post right before night I actually think Yamato is fairly likely to be town due to shit that went down at EoN. Frustration felt genuine, don't think he can fake that as scum.
Think lynching Breshke/Palmar will prob win us the game.
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I really don't believe scum holds shot on N1 when there are potential blue roles that could cause town to have another free lynch afterwards. I don't buy that.
I kinda wanna lynch Palmar for even suggesting that as the most likely outcome.
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It's not really a hard bus when you don't really push Wave. He badgered on about Wave a lot but he didn't really do the pushing. Trfel and I did that. He also jumped onto Yamato at the earliest possible opportunity when Yamato started looking bad.
Palmar's just been doing barely enough to not get lynched.
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On April 30 2015 09:40 rsoultin wrote: can you explain how the no-lynch makes sense? my brain is kinda ehhhhing Not today, but at mylo. It's nice to narrow the field down to 3 rather than 4, though I'm quite certain in both you and Trfel being town at this point there may still be some doubts and in general it's just the optimal play.
On April 30 2015 09:41 rsoultin wrote: i'm still not going to be able to convince you this is not town breshke play, am i? you're that convinced of your metaread? I am willing to lynch Breshke at this point because I don't think Yamato is mafia more so than Breshke at this point. With Damdred dead and confirmed town Palmar/Breshke are currently my two favored lynches, with Palmar preferred over Breshke as I feel there's reasons to townread Breshke and precious little to townread Palmar.
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You may be convincing me here. I did find that post a bit strange and I can see how TMI plays into it. It's also possible he was working on distancing himself from Breshke through the hard townread thing. I can see it.
I kinda still want to lynch Palmar first though. Just because it's more fun.
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I would if I single handidly had the majority vote
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On April 30 2015 10:18 Trfel wrote: I need to look again to see if this makes Artanis confirmed town, but I don't think that it does. It does look extremely good for him, despite all of the earlier reasons I had to townread him, but I suppose he could do this as mafia.
On April 30 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote: Trfel is town. Fairly sure yama is town considering how wrong ive been and how he was acting EOD
That leaves me with art and palmar
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On April 30 2015 19:22 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 19:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 10:18 Trfel wrote: I need to look again to see if this makes Artanis confirmed town, but I don't think that it does. It does look extremely good for him, despite all of the earlier reasons I had to townread him, but I suppose he could do this as mafia. On April 30 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote: Trfel is town. Fairly sure yama is town considering how wrong ive been and how he was acting EOD
That leaves me with art and palmar ?? You want to lynch palmar. I want to lynch palmar game probs ends there You actually expect Yamato to be more likely town than me. I don't believe anyone that's actually thinking about the game can think that.
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On April 30 2015 19:41 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 19:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 19:22 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 19:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 10:18 Trfel wrote: I need to look again to see if this makes Artanis confirmed town, but I don't think that it does. It does look extremely good for him, despite all of the earlier reasons I had to townread him, but I suppose he could do this as mafia. On April 30 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote: Trfel is town. Fairly sure yama is town considering how wrong ive been and how he was acting EOD
That leaves me with art and palmar ?? You want to lynch palmar. I want to lynch palmar game probs ends there You actually expect Yamato to be more likely town than me. I don't believe anyone that's actually thinking about the game can think that. yes because i expect my reads this game to be fucking retarded Don't just say that your reads are bad, go and do some analysis as to why I'd be saying this. It doesn't feel like you're trying to discern alignments in a critical manner at all.
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Also, Palmar, if you could explain why I'm mafia at some point in this game that'd be dandy. You did promise you'd start to play after we flipped Wave.
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On April 30 2015 20:06 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 08:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 23 2015 07:53 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 07:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 23 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 07:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: @Arsoul Yeah, I'm aware of that. If he felt any of his reasons weren't good though, I'd imagine he'd have said something along the lines of "I didn't think of that" but your arguments weren't really bringing anything new to the table. I can't imagine that with the strength in the words he was saying he'd be swayed by what you said.
Also, as for your meta read on Trfel... You claimed to have a strong meta read for LS too, then you proceeded to misread him twice when he rolled scum twice. I'm sorry, but I don't hold too much faith in that. lol the fucking difference here artanis is i've actually caught truffle as scum and as 3rd party, so you can be high-and-mighty about the fact that i've been wrong on people before if you want...and i probably will be again, and probably on truffle, too...but that doesn't undermine the accuracy at reading him that i've shown up to this point Didn't you catch LS as mafia in his first game too? I'm not getting high-and-mighty at all. I'm simply pointing out that you've been wrong plenty of times before, so saying "I'm telling you he isn't scum" is not very convincing to me. I need reasons. i've given reasons several times. if you're ignoring them, that's on you Several times? This is the only one I can find ctrl-f'ing truffle in your filter. On April 23 2015 06:25 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote: He scum read Trfel. And actually as I recall that read is mostly based on meta and contrary to your read soniv kind of interested to see how that plays out.
Also don't quite get that yamato read Trfel. well, that's easy, wave lol >< i'm right the really question is whether or not it's reasonable for artie to be wrong about truffle and still town (truffle is a super easy read imo) meh guess i should actually read artanis' filter :/ I dunno I guess maybe i should appreciate your 100 percent correct t rate on Trfel but it's a pretty nebulous read/concept for me to have to accept in a game based in cases/evidence. if you don't like meta and you don't like tone i'm kinda wasting my time detailing it anyway, with the added issue of perhaps alerting truffle to what the red flags in his play are when he's scum/3rd party... i don't mind going more in depth, but if you just look at his play here you see the effort he's been putting in (sporadically, but still) coupled with an almost carelessness about how others read his actions...the voting gooberliness, mainly plus i think it's actually quite townie for someone to go...hey guys i'm writing a case on x...oh nevermind there's really not anything there that definitively makes x scum Which I guess I can work with. He's only played one scumgame according to the DB so far though (Student) where he got copchecked as scum on D2. Not much to work with, especially since I coached him that game and gave him a bunch of tips I'd expect him to incorporate into his play. Art can you explain the bolded to me. Was this a weakening of your scumread on trfel or were you just saying you could see how rso townread him because of this but still disagreed. It did weaken my scumread on Trfel a little. I could see what she was saying, but I still had my suspicions.
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On April 30 2015 20:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 20:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also, Palmar, if you could explain why I'm mafia at some point in this game that'd be dandy. You did promise you'd start to play after we flipped Wave. Only if I was wrong I don't believe you've ever specified that. It was asked if you'd play after Wave got lynched.
On April 30 2015 20:14 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I definitely don't want to lynch Yamato today or probably any day. His mafia game is much worse than what he's shown so far and he cares too much.
Damdred's Trfel case is bad. Doubt is a town trait for Trfel. What I'm more worried about is that he artifically inserted doubt when I pointed out how his read on me was too strong for his normal towngame, and thus became more doubtful in general.
What's stopping me from going full yolo on a Trfel lynch is that he feels very reasonable. He keeps re-evaluating me (even though I don't understand at all how he comes to his conclusions, on me at least) and seems to be very fluid in his reads, which is something that's very difficult as scum.
I think I want to lynch Palmar today. Trfel said he's been trolling, but I feel like Palmar hasn't really trolled as much as not giving a shit. He's pushed Wave mostly without much reasoning and has just not given a lot of shits about anything else. He made this one terrible list post that didn't have any reasons which Marv once told me is a hallmark of his scumgame (and he hasn't posted any reads lists as town since Imperial whilst he has as scum). His 'town meta' of not doing anything is easily replicable as scum. He's been townread for it before, I see no reason why he wouldn't attempt to replicate it as town.
There's no reason to read Palmar as town, his unsubstantiated reads list is scummy and he hasn't truly trolled in a way that causes people to rise up against him. It's been calculated play. ##Vote Palmar art this post here the bolded. Could you explain how you didn't understand how he came to the conclusions he did in his reads yet you still thought they were fluid? Fluid in the sense that he kept changing his conclusions. As mafia, I've found it to be quite difficult to keep changing your opinions on people. Whilst I couldn't understand exactly how, it felt like he wasn't really trying to push any mafia objectives with the way he was reading and evaluating people if that makes sense.
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On April 30 2015 20:54 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I think I may be on board for a Wave lynch after going through the last few pages of his filter. It feels a lot like he's commenting on the game rather than figuring out stuff like Palmar pointed out. He's voted Yamato but doesn't really push him, and then there's oddball comments like On April 27 2015 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Remind me why we're not lynching trfel again When we've been talking about Trfel for a while at that point, so one would expect he'd have more specific reasons. Furthermore, his vote is still on Yamato. I'm actually struggling with voting him a lot because he's been very reasonable to me and I like him so I really don't want to be wrong, but I do think he's scum here. His activity to influence on the game ratio is just way off, and a lot of his posts just really don't help town to figure out the game. ##Vote WaveOfShadow This might be hard to answer but at this point of the game you were scumreading palmar for the way he was treating wave/yamato then when you asked him to expand on his read on wave you further looked into it yourself and started to find reasons to scumread wave. Did this change your opinions on palmars alignment? Nope. Palmar didn't really do anything to actually push Wave, which I've mentioned a few times before. He happened to be the catalyst for me to look into him, which triggered Trfel to do so as well, but he was not the reason Wave got lynched by any stretch.
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@Breshke The reason why my unvote was later was because I wanted to wait to see if anyone else wanted to do anything with Palmar. Though I thought he responded exactly as I expected a Town Palmar would do, I wasn't 100% convinced on him and was hoping someone else would try and pressure him a bit. When that didn't happen, I aborted.
I explained the Trfel thing. If you don't like it that's ok I guess.
Also, I feel you're missing one important piece in that I had the option to lynch Yamato over Wave but didn't. You could argue that I could do this as scum to gain cred, but Rsoultin basically gave me a free out saying it doesn't really matter whom we lynch between Yama/Bresh/Wave and that she'd follow me. I had also positioned myself in a way that'd make switching to Yamato very credible, but didn't. I do wonder why you didn't consider this in your analysis.
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I don't think I'll be there at deadline and I'm gonna be gone for a large section of the day so I prefer to lynch tomorrow. Breshke, I'd like you to comment on people you actually think are/could be scum though. I also am not really impressed with your analysis on me. It feels like you're trying to instill some doubt in there so you could backtrack if thread sentiment changes even though you don't really have any reason to do so, and it feels a bit like you're just going through the motions.
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On April 30 2015 22:07 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 21:58 rsoultin wrote: o.0
breeeesh i was just about to say you were looking better today and drop my vote on palmar
##vote Palmar
which i think i'm gonna do anyway, unless there's a good reason i won't be home by deadline, but
lol wth is that last bit? >< I hope you're mafia because I don't want to live in a world where you're so terrible. But you probably are. Artanis is mafia because he's the only person here who isn't dumb enough to actually think this day is going as it should. The day isn't going as it should because [no reason], so we should end it early [because no good reason].
That makes perfect sense. Thanks, Palmar.
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Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game.
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On April 30 2015 22:20 Palmar wrote: Artanis is mafia for hopping onto the WoS wagon, I think he even said that in part he liked something I had said and now he's trying to call me mafia because reasons.
Artanis is mafia for defending WoS when there was no reason to do so. I know half of you morons defended him too, but you're all dumb. Artanis is less dumb. Slightly.
Artanis is mafia for trying to pretend like he was some sort of a town hero that got WoS lynched. Saying Trfel and him were to thank for it.
First: Being right does not make you town. I felt you were pushing Wave all day without being articulate in the reasons why. Your first case wasn't particularly good, and you easily jumped onto Yamato when that train rolled along.
Second: Reason was I thought you were calling Wave Scum for reasons that don't make him scum. Though he flipped scum, I still stand by that those particular things did not make him scum. I'm also wrong plenty of times, more so as town than scum probably.
Third: You can act all you want as if you were the reason Wave got lynched. You weren't. Had I not re-evaluated him triggering Trfel to do so, Yamato would've probably been lynched instead.
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On April 30 2015 22:23 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. No. He was mafia because of the things I said. I don't tunnel shit for 2 days unless I'm sure. And I have enough of a track record for day 1 to be allowed to be fucking sure when I am. Lynch Toad
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On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing.
My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more.
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On April 30 2015 22:31 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:23 Palmar wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. No. He was mafia because of the things I said. I don't tunnel shit for 2 days unless I'm sure. And I have enough of a track record for day 1 to be allowed to be fucking sure when I am. Lynch Toad I don't have a 100% hit rate in those things? What a shocker. The recent games I've seen of you, you haven't been particularly spectacular on D1. I believe in XXX you tried lynching Marv for a long time. In Hammertime which I hosted, it was Toad. Compounded with the fact that you didn't really seem to be re-evaluating much during the day at all I don't put as much stock in your reads as you would like me to.
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On April 30 2015 22:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:32 rsoultin wrote: i'm out btw
no palmar i'm not lynching today unless i have time before EoD to review everything
might i suggest you do a little more work than just who is meeting your expectations? xP No. I have a blueprint to win the game. And if you guys follow it, we win. step 1: lynch Artanis. step 2: lynch yamato Feel free to flip them around. How certain are you that Breshke is town and why?
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On April 30 2015 22:42 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing. My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more. So no that isn't most of the game. Also i don't think you look as amazing from not lynching yamato as you think you do. Why as scum could you not have that out to lynch yamato and not take it to make yourself look better. If yamato gets lynched and flips town most likely wave gets lynched the next day anyway its just wifom. How do you want me to dig in? The palmar stuff i found not important in context because you picked up the wagon later on. The trfel stuff was a contradiction yes and i still don't like it but why can't someone who is town do something that doesn't make sense to me. Of course most of the game was an over exaggeration. The point was you didn't consider certain pretty vital aspects. As for Wave getting lynched next, I'd argue there was a good chance that you'd get lynched the day after with Rso going after your ass. There were three realistic lynches: Yamato, You, Wave. With Wave and my Presence and Palmar not really being heard and you townreading Wave it would've definitely been possible.
What I meant is that you didn't look at everything yet you weren't convinced one way or the other. I find it weird that you just stopped.
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On April 30 2015 22:45 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:31 Palmar wrote:On April 30 2015 22:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:23 Palmar wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. No. He was mafia because of the things I said. I don't tunnel shit for 2 days unless I'm sure. And I have enough of a track record for day 1 to be allowed to be fucking sure when I am. Lynch Toad I don't have a 100% hit rate in those things? What a shocker. The recent games I've seen of you, you haven't been particularly spectacular on D1. I believe in XXX you tried lynching Marv for a long time. In Hammertime which I hosted, it was Toad. Compounded with the fact that you didn't really seem to be re-evaluating much during the day at all I don't put as much stock in your reads as you would like me to. In XXX I tried to lynch JAT, who was mafia.In hammertime I was wrong. I thought I was right and I was wrong.In GoT I didn't play. I was wrong but I never pushed it because I had no idea if I was right or not. In Mini I tried to lynch GB, who was mafiaIn Down Under I tried to lynch Superbia (mafia), but the host done goofedIn Down Under reboot I didn't play. I tried to defend slam but had no real alternative In Imperial I wanted to lynch geript and was wrongIn Horn I tried to lynch Damdred and JAT. One was mafia the other wasn't. I was sure on neither. In Linux I tried to lynch SL (mafia) before sheeping Damdred onto Eden (mafia)In PYP I tried to lync marv (mafia) That's all nice and dandy. Regardless, your push looked most like the one you made in Hammertime in that you mostly repeated Kill Wave.
On April 30 2015 22:46 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:33 Palmar wrote:On April 30 2015 22:32 rsoultin wrote: i'm out btw
no palmar i'm not lynching today unless i have time before EoD to review everything
might i suggest you do a little more work than just who is meeting your expectations? xP No. I have a blueprint to win the game. And if you guys follow it, we win. step 1: lynch Artanis. step 2: lynch yamato Feel free to flip them around. How certain are you that Breshke is town and why? It's some old as shit tone read. Feel pretty okay about it. I had the same tone read and I pointed it out before. I don't believe it's enough at this point.
On April 30 2015 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:20 Palmar wrote: Artanis is mafia for hopping onto the WoS wagon, I think he even said that in part he liked something I had said and now he's trying to call me mafia because reasons.
Artanis is mafia for defending WoS when there was no reason to do so. I know half of you morons defended him too, but you're all dumb. Artanis is less dumb. Slightly.
Artanis is mafia for trying to pretend like he was some sort of a town hero that got WoS lynched. Saying Trfel and him were to thank for it.
First: Being right does not make you town. I felt you were pushing Wave all day without being articulate in the reasons why. Your first case wasn't particularly good, and you easily jumped onto Yamato when that train rolled along. Ah I see what I did wrong. Next game I'll do this instead. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote: Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh what the fuck? WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote: Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh what the fuck? WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote: Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh what the fuck? WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote: Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh what the fuck? WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote: Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh what the fuck? WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote: Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh what the fuck? WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote: Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh what the fuck? WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote: Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh what the fuck? WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote: Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh what the fuck? WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote: Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh what the fuck? WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me. Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens: On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote: Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3.
I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum
Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: BreshkeI'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh what the fuck? WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML
gotta rethink Breshke then. Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy. Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe". However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke. Thus he is mafia. I told you already that I didn't think that case was conclusive. In the end, I scumread Wave for not actually trying to solve the game and just commenting on things by the sidelines. You did point that out later but not in a way that actually got yourself heard. You've played this game often enough to know how it works.
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On April 30 2015 22:50 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:42 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing. My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more. So no that isn't most of the game. Also i don't think you look as amazing from not lynching yamato as you think you do. Why as scum could you not have that out to lynch yamato and not take it to make yourself look better. If yamato gets lynched and flips town most likely wave gets lynched the next day anyway its just wifom. How do you want me to dig in? The palmar stuff i found not important in context because you picked up the wagon later on. The trfel stuff was a contradiction yes and i still don't like it but why can't someone who is town do something that doesn't make sense to me. Of course most of the game was an over exaggeration. The point was you didn't consider certain pretty vital aspects. As for Wave getting lynched next, I'd argue there was a good chance that you'd get lynched the day after with Rso going after your ass. There were three realistic lynches: Yamato, You, Wave. With Wave and my Presence and Palmar not really being heard and you townreading Wave it would've definitely been possible. What I meant is that you didn't look at everything yet you weren't convinced one way or the other. I find it weird that you just stopped. I was convinced though so your point is invalid. You said you were convinced enough to not want to lynch me this cycle. That doesn't sound particularly convinced overall.
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I'm around, would like to wait with commenting until Yamato finishes his reads though.
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##Vote Yamato77 Motivation.
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We can talk. I'm pretty sure it's either Yamato or Breshke though and with two lynches I'm good.
I think you're town because your reads have been pretty fluid overall, though you've been pretty stern on Trfel being town and Breshke being scum I feel I understood why you thought that, and you changed your reads a lot on me/wave plus seem willing to listen and push along the game.
I think Trfel is town because he ended up being the one to truly push Wave, there's a ton of doubt in him, I don't think scum Trfel would try the Yamato shenanigans when it seems unlikely that Yamato would actually get lynched over Wave, and his read on me at the start of D3 though frustrating felt extremely familiar.
I think Palmar is probably town not because he'd been going on Wave all the time (though it does help) but rather the response he's given both the first time I pinged him out (continuing on his path and not doing things for easy towncred) and his frustration earlier today where he was being a dick to people. I don't think Palmar would be that much of a dick unless he was extremely frustrated.
I think Breshke can be scum because he hasn't really done much, he seems lax on actually doing work to get to a conclusion, he hasn't had many original thoughts and doesn't really seem to be thinking about the game critically.
I think Yamato can be scum because he's being extraordinarily lazy and he hasn't had many insights into the game that one would expect from Town Yamato. His read evaluation on me earlier on was the best thing he's delivered, but his reasoning on townreading you was lazy and I also feel like he was just looking for excuses to scumread Palmar earlier.
I expect lynching both Breshke and Yamato will win the game.
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Oh another reason why Rso is town is because during Trfel shenanigans she could've switched onto Yamato and I would've followed suit and it probably wouldn't have had anyone blame her for it.
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On May 02 2015 22:10 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2015 22:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: We can talk. I'm pretty sure it's either Yamato or Breshke though and with two lynches I'm good.
I think you're town because your reads have been pretty fluid overall, though you've been pretty stern on Trfel being town and Breshke being scum I feel I understood why you thought that, and you changed your reads a lot on me/wave plus seem willing to listen and push along the game.
I think Trfel is town because he ended up being the one to truly push Wave, there's a ton of doubt in him, I don't think scum Trfel would try the Yamato shenanigans when it seems unlikely that Yamato would actually get lynched over Wave, and his read on me at the start of D3 though frustrating felt extremely familiar.
I think Palmar is probably town not because he'd been going on Wave all the time (though it does help) but rather the response he's given both the first time I pinged him out (continuing on his path and not doing things for easy towncred) and his frustration earlier today where he was being a dick to people. I don't think Palmar would be that much of a dick unless he was extremely frustrated.
I think Breshke can be scum because he hasn't really done much, he seems lax on actually doing work to get to a conclusion, he hasn't had many original thoughts and doesn't really seem to be thinking about the game critically.
I think Yamato can be scum because he's being extraordinarily lazy and he hasn't had many insights into the game that one would expect from Town Yamato. His read evaluation on me earlier on was the best thing he's delivered, but his reasoning on townreading you was lazy and I also feel like he was just looking for excuses to scumread Palmar earlier.
I expect lynching both Breshke and Yamato will win the game. lol either you're in my head or i've been thought-dumping so much in the thread it's just plain obvious what and why my reads are the way they are xP okay, so what changed your mind on bresh? just his read on you? you've been pretty adamant he's town most of the game... i've actually got it narrowed to you three, and the one whose filter i most need to read is yours...the reasons for breshke and yamato being scum are pretty obvious (imo) while with you it's more paranoia; i like how you've been part of the game for the most part and seem to be putting the analysis in when it counts. i'm just aware that this could theoretically be a survival tactic (i'm not convinced that you choose to lynch wave over yamato if you're scum, though...getting another mislynch doesn't seem like so big a feat that you'd need to go for the cred there unless wave just doesn't want to play anymore and asks to be lynched/bussed lol ><) truffle is in the middle of moving :/ i still wish he were more active cause him going silent makes me doubt myself lol >< but not enough to lynch him today i'm pretty sure, since it's really just the inactivity making me twitch and nothing else I really didn't like his D3 play. The way he analyzed me it felt like he was focussing on details that didn't really matter, and then he came with a conclusion that wasn't really a conclusion as it was just for this cycle, plus ignoring parts of the game. It also came down to your and Trfel's meta on Breshke showcasing all the original thoughts he has had in other games that he hasn't had here that I've given a bit more weight, especially since I feel I've got better reasons to townread other players.
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I'm prob gonna end up sheeping you either way. I'm pretty sure lynching Yamato and Breshke wins us the game.
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Gonna be gone for most of the day leading up to deadline due to a concert. Might be back just before, dunno yet.
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I'm back and thought about the game a lot in the car and concluded yamato is roughly 95% mafia. Points to follow, should be in time for lynch but you can move your votes already if you want.
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Basic idea is that wave-yamato interactions make a ton of sense for scum-scum as one of them was bound to get lynched that day so they went for max cred. It can be shown that yamato didn't actually care about getting wave lynched over him, just about looking good post flip by the way he was flipping off on me for searching shitty reasons to make a decision as well as not really having an answer to your case.
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Wave-Breshke as scum-scum also doesn't make sense because you have an experienced scum player in Wave and a pretty piss-poor scum player in Breshke and they hard townread each other. Sure, it's potentially a great tactic but how likely is it to actually occur? Not very imo. Also lots of genuine posts by Breshke in retarded things that I've pointed out. One that I haven't pointed out yet is how he instantly mentioned that he read Damdred as blue. I'd imagine scum would be a little more careful with stuff like that.
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Coupled with the already weird Yamato-Wave interactions that Godmar pointed out before.
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And the fact that Town Yamato is never this careless about getting lynched.
How I read how D2 went down is that Yamato/Wave decided that one of them was likely to get lynched and made two plans; one for each of them getting lynched. The preferred case was likely Yamato (which explains why he didn't really read Wave as much) since Wave's a much better scumplayer in terms of activity. Through Wave hard scumreading Yamato and not considering Breshke, at the time lynchbait, he'd come out looking good enough to potentially secure a mislynch with the help of Breshke on either Trfel, me, or maybe even Rsoultin somehow. After that, he could turn on Breshke, whom still townread him.
The alternative was covered by Wave going hard after Yamato, making him look relatively better post flip. Yamato helped in this by going after the reasons people were using to read them rather than using every ounce to secure Wave gets lynched over him.
This also explains Yamato's lack of motivation later on. He tried pressing something out, but his half-assed towncase on Rsoultin and even more half-assed scumread on Palmar didn't actually contain any critical thought which a Town Yamato determined to solve the game would most certainly have.
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On May 03 2015 08:28 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 08:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Wave-Breshke as scum-scum also doesn't make sense because you have an experienced scum player in Wave and a pretty piss-poor scum player in Breshke and they hard townread each other. Sure, it's potentially a great tactic but how likely is it to actually occur? Not very imo. Also lots of genuine posts by Breshke in retarded things that I've pointed out. One that I haven't pointed out yet is how he instantly mentioned that he read Damdred as blue. I'd imagine scum would be a little more careful with stuff like that. I don't have a chance to fact check what you're saying, but I guess that makes sense. Hm, I still think that the Breshke lynch is pretty solid. Also, I don't think that you can infer much from the high-level interactions between the two players. It's possible that (as mafia) Breshke and WaveofShadow hard townread each other precisely because they didn't think we would expect it.One thing to check is, WaveofShadow did have an extremely poorly explained townread on Breshke. Did he make it seem more that way when it was getting clear he was dying (thus incriminating Breshke), or was it a weak townread all along? IE does it look like he's trying to incriminate Breshke or desperately defend him? Be back in a few minutes, then probably out until End of Day. It makes sense to think that way because objectively you're probably right in that it would make us think that way. However, I don't think it's something anyone actually does precisely because they fear people thinking about it this way. It's extremely risky and I don't think it's likely it occurred here.
Wave definitely strengthened his townread on Breshke a lot as he was going down.
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Trfel, give me a leap of faith and lynch Yamato.
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On May 03 2015 08:42 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 08:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Trfel, give me a leap of faith and lynch Yamato. On the condition that we lynch you and not Breshke tomorrow if you're wrong Why would I do that? It's possible I'm wrong. I just don't think it's very likely.
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On May 03 2015 08:56 rsoultin wrote: eh
i dunnae artie. it's plausible. but it's like the very definition of wifom, your entire argument. are you the type of man who would put poison into your own drink
- scum!yamato
or into mine
-town!breshke
obviously wave wanted to take a dive over his scum partner because he was the goon. are you forgetting that? the blue role was still out there at the time Does the other scum even have a role? I figured it would've specified since it just says two red vs one blue 6 town. I'd imagine the other scum is a goon too.
That's also not my entire argument. I think the way Yamato played is unlikely to come from Town Yamato because it felt like he was setting up for post flip much more than actually bothering about who got lynched, plus his demotivation seems much more likely to come from scum yamato that knows he can't win since Palmar and I aren't getting lynched over Town Yamato actually looking to solve the game.
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Just some paranoia on maybe Trfel or Palmar but eh, I find it quite unlikely they're scum. I just think Yamato is by far the most likely at this point and I'd rather lynch him today.
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On May 03 2015 09:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Just some paranoia on maybe Trfel or Palmar but eh, I find it quite unlikely they're scum. I just think Yamato is by far the most likely at this point and I'd rather lynch him today. see what i don't get really is that just thinking about it without putting more work into the thread, while you were off somewhere else, you came to such a strong opinion between the two who you think are most likely scum anyway that you refuse to consolidate on one over the other...when you did not have the same strong opinion before you left unless you were like really waffling on a third player this doesn't make a ton of sense to me -_- Because I thought about the game in the car and suddenly it all made sense.
Is there a reason for scum Artanis to not just come back to hammer Breshke then prob lynch Yamato the day after?
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On May 03 2015 09:31 rsoultin wrote: can you link me a game where there were no mafia power roles? preferably a 9-player game, because otherwise i don't see how you come to the conclusion both could be goons ^^ please and thank you
find it a bit unlikely that there's no counter to the doctor in the game. i would expect a mafia RB Why? This is a pointless excercise. I usually balance my games around there being one more blue role than red role in the game. Plus scum have the ability to hold their shot in this game which could be considered a role in itself.
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On May 03 2015 09:32 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 03 2015 09:29 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 09:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Just some paranoia on maybe Trfel or Palmar but eh, I find it quite unlikely they're scum. I just think Yamato is by far the most likely at this point and I'd rather lynch him today. see what i don't get really is that just thinking about it without putting more work into the thread, while you were off somewhere else, you came to such a strong opinion between the two who you think are most likely scum anyway that you refuse to consolidate on one over the other...when you did not have the same strong opinion before you left unless you were like really waffling on a third player this doesn't make a ton of sense to me -_- Because I thought about the game in the car and suddenly it all made sense. Is there a reason for scum Artanis to not just come back to hammer Breshke then prob lynch Yamato the day after? to make it look like scum Artanis cared about who was getting lynched? xP yes. obviously a lack of caring would by far be more suspicious Of course not. We lynch Breshke today, we're 99% lynching Yamato tomorrow. Be real here, seriously.
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On May 03 2015 09:41 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 03 2015 09:32 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 09:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 03 2015 09:29 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 09:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Just some paranoia on maybe Trfel or Palmar but eh, I find it quite unlikely they're scum. I just think Yamato is by far the most likely at this point and I'd rather lynch him today. see what i don't get really is that just thinking about it without putting more work into the thread, while you were off somewhere else, you came to such a strong opinion between the two who you think are most likely scum anyway that you refuse to consolidate on one over the other...when you did not have the same strong opinion before you left unless you were like really waffling on a third player this doesn't make a ton of sense to me -_- Because I thought about the game in the car and suddenly it all made sense. Is there a reason for scum Artanis to not just come back to hammer Breshke then prob lynch Yamato the day after? to make it look like scum Artanis cared about who was getting lynched? xP yes. obviously a lack of caring would by far be more suspicious Of course not. We lynch Breshke today, we're 99% lynching Yamato tomorrow. Be real here, seriously. lol xP then what's your problem? we're 99% lynching yamato tomorrow anyway, according to you except people have expressed doubt about you at various times xP palmar, myself, breshke, for sure Because you're being senselessly paranoid. There is absolutely no reason for me not to just vote breshke here as scum then try to lynch yamato. The fact that you actually think it makes any sense for me to do so as scum fuels my rage to enormous levels to the sense that if you're serious on this I demand you vote for me tomorrow, I'll vote for myself, I'm sure Yamato will cooperate and then Palmar gets to lynch me because he enjoys it and there we go.
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On May 03 2015 09:48 rsoultin wrote: try-harding makes sense if you've a reasonable belief that there are more potential scum in the players remaining than lynches remaining. you haven't demonstrated that. you've come forth with an odd theory that mafia had no scum power roles
and unfortunately for you if you're scum, you're talking to one of the most try-hard, active scum players on the site xP who is 100% not going to take just the fact that you have an opinion as confirmation that you're town
i actually see very little reason for your stubbornness here, in this context
and as long as we're being frank, the strength of that "revelation" you posted that was primarily WIFOM does not mirror the strength of your conviction, which is even more concerning. that you reject out-of-hand the very real likelihood that there is a scum power role instead of considering it like you should...since there really is no way to know for sure and it is speculative, does not make me feel better about your return to the thread
i have to think -_- bah
can't work on my paper in peace lol >< You're trying to display that as town my thought process makes no sense when as scum my play makes faaaaaaaaar less sense. I lynch Breshke, we go to LYLO, Yamato still looks absolutely terrible, I post what I've posted today or something even better by that time and win the game. I 100% always take the Breshke lynch here. The very fact that you bring up I've been suspicious of him all the time makes it that much easier for me to get away with mislynching him here as scum. There's NO way I'd ever do that and if you actually think it's a realistic option I demand that you lynch me come next deadline. I'll cooperate.
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PS: The Town reason is that I didn't want to lynch a player I think is very likely town when there's someone that's very likely scum we can lynch today. That, and that way it takes 24-48 hours less for the game to end.
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On May 03 2015 09:51 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 03 2015 09:41 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 09:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 03 2015 09:32 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 09:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 03 2015 09:29 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 09:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Just some paranoia on maybe Trfel or Palmar but eh, I find it quite unlikely they're scum. I just think Yamato is by far the most likely at this point and I'd rather lynch him today. see what i don't get really is that just thinking about it without putting more work into the thread, while you were off somewhere else, you came to such a strong opinion between the two who you think are most likely scum anyway that you refuse to consolidate on one over the other...when you did not have the same strong opinion before you left unless you were like really waffling on a third player this doesn't make a ton of sense to me -_- Because I thought about the game in the car and suddenly it all made sense. Is there a reason for scum Artanis to not just come back to hammer Breshke then prob lynch Yamato the day after? to make it look like scum Artanis cared about who was getting lynched? xP yes. obviously a lack of caring would by far be more suspicious Of course not. We lynch Breshke today, we're 99% lynching Yamato tomorrow. Be real here, seriously. lol xP then what's your problem? we're 99% lynching yamato tomorrow anyway, according to you except people have expressed doubt about you at various times xP palmar, myself, breshke, for sure Because you're being senselessly paranoid. There is absolutely no reason for me not to just vote breshke here as scum then try to lynch yamato. The fact that you actually think it makes any sense for me to do so as scum fuels my rage to enormous levels to the sense that if you're serious on this I demand you vote for me tomorrow, I'll vote for myself, I'm sure Yamato will cooperate and then Palmar gets to lynch me because he enjoys it and there we go. xP convince me that the evidence against yamato is really so compelling as to merit this sort of digging in the heels from you. you've bought at least another 24 hours, so you've plenty of time to do so. it's not senseless. if there's anyone i'm going to be wrong on my townread on, it's you No. If you actually think I can be scum after today, I am going to vote myself for the rest of the day until you lynch me or acknowledge that there is no way there's a larger than 0.01% chance I am scum.
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On May 03 2015 09:52 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 03 2015 09:48 rsoultin wrote: try-harding makes sense if you've a reasonable belief that there are more potential scum in the players remaining than lynches remaining. you haven't demonstrated that. you've come forth with an odd theory that mafia had no scum power roles
and unfortunately for you if you're scum, you're talking to one of the most try-hard, active scum players on the site xP who is 100% not going to take just the fact that you have an opinion as confirmation that you're town
i actually see very little reason for your stubbornness here, in this context
and as long as we're being frank, the strength of that "revelation" you posted that was primarily WIFOM does not mirror the strength of your conviction, which is even more concerning. that you reject out-of-hand the very real likelihood that there is a scum power role instead of considering it like you should...since there really is no way to know for sure and it is speculative, does not make me feel better about your return to the thread
i have to think -_- bah
can't work on my paper in peace lol >< You're trying to display that as town my thought process makes no sense when as scum my play makes faaaaaaaaar less sense. I lynch Breshke, we go to LYLO, Yamato still looks absolutely terrible, I post what I've posted today or something even better by that time and win the game. I 100% always take the Breshke lynch here. The very fact that you bring up I've been suspicious of him all the time makes it that much easier for me to get away with mislynching him here as scum. There's NO way I'd ever do that and if you actually think it's a realistic option I demand that you lynch me come next deadline. I'll cooperate. i might -_- none of this actually means anything that you just wrote Cool. ##Unvote ##Vote Artanis[Xp]
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On May 03 2015 09:53 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: PS: The Town reason is that I didn't want to lynch a player I think is very likely town when there's someone that's very likely scum we can lynch today. That, and that way it takes 24-48 hours less for the game to end. why breshke is town: go Already posted.
On May 03 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote: lol so you care enough to block the lynch today when you only have two people you realistically think could be scum, but not enough to push that conviction xP
okay artanis that makes sense ^^ Yup. If any town player is dumb enough to think I still have a realistic shot at being scum then their thought process is so messed up that town doesn't deserve to win.
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Also I have plenty of conviction. Yamato is scum. I've detailed this before.
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##Unvote ##Vote Yamato77 Let's just end this game.
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Literally never mafia when I don't hammer Breshke. Hammering Breshke then probably getting a lynch off on Yamato whom everyone wanted dead was the surefire scumplay that I'd take 100 times out of 100.
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I didn't vote for you though BH.
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Also, I think I played well in the end. I townread Breshke most of the game and doubted between lynching scum Yamato and Wave D2, then hardpushed scum Yamato on D3, forgetting the little Rsoultin-induced martyring in the middle.
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On May 04 2015 17:17 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +34 WaveofShadowPerson was signed in when posted 04-24-2015 10:27 AM ET (US) Palmar is one of those cases where I'm gonna be annoyed because he's calling me scum and is right but for no good reason. sigh
I should play the lottery. Sorry for calling yall bad so much. That was a tad dickish. Hey, it helped as it made me quite sure you weren't scum
DMA is awesome.
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On May 04 2015 19:58 Palmar wrote: what's DMA? Dick move analysis.
I don't think you would've been as much of a dick as scum.
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On May 05 2015 07:15 Palmar wrote: Normal IML is ONLY town favored when you have a very strong and active town. In a normal to weak town scenario, IML is a massive liability because it forces town towards the easy lynches that often aren't mafia.
This game though, allows town to grind it out for such a long time mafia simply lose interest. Posting with perfect information for like 4 days trying to look like you're actually figuring people out is really tough. Yeah, I definitely felt like the setup favoured town as well. Time is just such a massive advantage.
Also support more silent nights. On a similar note, sign up to out of time you baddies.
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