TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden
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On June 25 2015 01:35 marvellosity wrote: i expect sexual favours Happy to oblige! | ||
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On June 30 2015 04:52 marvellosity wrote: na, you've pitched that right on my level :p /in someone who shall remain nameless guilted me into it sorry dad x Woooo! I'm back and marv is in, happy days. | ||
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You too, please don't roll scum. | ||
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I'm super hyped, hope I don't have to wait another week. | ||
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On July 01 2015 23:30 Palmar wrote: /confirmar /staðfesta | ||
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On July 04 2015 08:18 marvellosity wrote: yeah sure, i'm good either way Policy lynch all martyrs | ||
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Holyflare claiming VT is interesting. Doesn't seem something scum would do or think of this quickly after PMs went out/daypost went up. Not lynching him today. | ||
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On July 06 2015 07:29 rsoultin wrote: lol it mostly means if you're town you're pretty gullible, but sure The two are different. If you disagree with my town lean on HolyFlare I could see why, but that's not what I was saying. I was saying: we can't both be scum, discuss Might be pointless, might be useful later in the game, who knows. | ||
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Yeah I think so at least I recognize his name but I haven't played mafia in what feels like a looooong time. | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote: lol well i don't really blame him xP with the way you climbed right up hf's ass first post of the game daaaaaamdy trash tier new method says ls town. so is my method just really trash or are you wrong on ls? xP Can't blame him, does that mean you agree with wanting to lynch me? | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote: Clarity if you haven't played with hf much who is arguably the best scum player on site. Why do you 100% lack any fear in reading him on precious few posts? I wasn't aware he was arguably the best scum player on site, but I don't think it changes much. Obviously my read on him can change, but based solely on his first post I will fight against his lynch today. | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:07 Damdred wrote: Why off one post? It doesn't make a lot of sense does it to totally eliminate one person based on an opening does it? Sure it does, it's day 1. | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote: Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet | ||
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Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote: ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote: -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little. I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree? | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: what do you mean by interaction though you called hf town and then you reference how because of this "interaction" you cant both be scum OK I want to move past this as it's not really worth spending a lot of time on. If me and HF both roll scum, and HF enters the game going "Lol I thought I rolled cop but it's just the VT flavor" do you think I, as scum, would call my scum partner "totes town not lynching today"? What do you think of rsoultin? Specifically the way she's replied to me. | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:30 KelsierSC wrote: well...i feel like if you hadn't brusied the back of my throat with it then i might have made that analysis myself. but now it just tastes like pre.... well it just tastes bad you know. That's fine, just don't lynch HF or myself today and reevaluate tomorrow. Moving on. WoS gave me a townread for being tryhard, whereas there's 3 people somewhat leaning towards me or whatever. So is WoS just better than you guys, or is he scum? | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:33 Holyflare wrote: considering you did 0 things, waves post is 0% correct and likely mafia wave I knew I liked you. | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:38 Damdred wrote: It's a bit of a gut/tone read I have going on her. Her little spat with clarity she was a bit of a pita and her not hostility but uhhh exaggeration makes me feel it's town rd, plus the follow up makes me feel it I felt the opposite because she was basically just poking at my posts but not trying to get anywhere, is this a meta thing you're talking about? Soft-pushing is pretty much scum101. Not that I'm convinced either way, which is why I asked for thoughts on her, ruxxar replied strangely enough. On July 06 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote: Please answer my question. Also this seems like an odd statement because a previous post read like you were really happy with wave? Just seems a weird postings I gave out a townread super early because I wanted to get the game started, I don't think it's that great to give out mass townreads unless it's necessary. I don't think I said was happy with wave? | ||
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In the mean time, WoS gave me a very lazy townread. I'd like to think I always look townie but not a lot of people seem to agree at this point so it smells like he has extra info. ##Vote WaveOfShadow | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:17 Damdred wrote: Clar will you respond to the post I made please, reading it over I still reading it as you like wos town reading you rather than leaning scum. Don't know what to tell you other than that wasn't my intention. I was pointing out that either WoS sees something the others don't or WoS has other information. | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:21 geript wrote: You better start caring because you're not going to lynch him because I don't get to play with him often and we're both town. So find a different lynch to push. geript could you expand on your vote on me and your WoS townread? Like you haven't explained either of them | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:22 Damdred wrote: On one level I really like the explanation even though it's super obvious. On another though, you had to wait on hf to point it out and instantly sheeped it instead of taking it yourself. So it just feels weird Uh.. He answered my question regarding WoS, if anything he sheeped me. Read again | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 06 2015 17:28 Trfel wrote: Pointless Conversation + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote: Yes, but you see the song I linked has a (terrible) connection to the point I am attempting to convey. "Sports Song" is my favorite from Weird Al's recent songs, anyway.but, but, but... this was our favorite! ;o; judas On July 06 2015 07:31 scott31337 wrote: Do you normally miss jokes?There's five, did you read the OP or just being Vivax? On July 06 2015 08:15 rsoultin wrote: Do not! Only that one time....it's cool i'm the trfel whisperer xP just sheep me whenever he gets his ass back to the thread and actually starts posting lol >< he always pre-writes his entrances before his role pm like a pussy If you must know, I wrote my entrance post for this game after the Day post.... On July 06 2015 08:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Thanks for the confidence WaveofShadow, but she most definitely can read me...I dare you to say you can still read trfel after we destroyed town that other game. On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't even....You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little. I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree? On July 06 2015 08:33 rsoultin wrote: Well now I'm feeling pretty stupid...chem work to do... On July 06 2015 11:20 milo109 wrote: This is really stupid, but I think this post actually gets him a town lean...Hmmm. I feel like I should post more but I don't have much more. Leaning town on Holyflare, and I want to call WaveofShadow also town. But I can't. Has LightningStrike ever used phrasing like this before? At the moment, I'm most suspicious of (in no order) scott31337, LightningStrike, and Holyflare. I'm suspicious of LightningStrike partially because of what Damdred said. While Damdred's point wasn't great, LightningStrike's response (looking up the games that were missing from his initial post) seems very telling. Furthermore, I don't think that LightningStrike has ever used the phrasing in the above quote as town. Usually, he says "please give me your reads" or "what are your reads, please" or something like that. In contrast, "care to give me your thoughts" is far more reserved. And the rest of LightningStrike's posting in this game is far more aggressive than I'm used to seeing from him. It feels like the strongest argument against LightningStrike is how his play has been affected by the pressure he's been under. As people bring up different things, he posts in different ways as a result. Side note, why are girls so confusing.... (and no, I'm not talking about anyone in this game) Seems distinctly worthless. You took the time to spoiler up a bunch of posts you found were "useless" and then made useless replies to them, none of which contributes anything. Then you post your "most suspicious" list which includes two people I'm very happy to call town, and although I kinda agree with LS I don't agree with any of the reasons you've posted. How is "Please give me your reads" so different from "care to give me your thoughts" that it makes it a phrasing that only mafia!LS would use? You say his tone changed but you do not point out how. I don't see it. All I see are his low-content posts and he had a weak entry into the thread, that's all. This reeks of jumping onto a wagon but trying to make up your own reasons because you don't want to appear to be sheeping. | ||
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On July 06 2015 19:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Out of everything that has happened in the thread so far clarity, you mention marv?? Do you have any reads at all? Read the thread please? I came back, commented on trfl and then marv showed up so I said hi. On July 06 2015 19:40 boxerfred wrote: I dont like first day claims at all. just creating more confusion and more "maybes". how serious were the cop claims btw? pure lel? I think self-aware wandered claim is fine. The cop claims were obviously just people being silly, | ||
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On July 06 2015 19:46 Oatsmaster wrote: What a needless sheep post clarity. None of those are serious questions lol. What? | ||
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I still don't know what this post is referring to. | ||
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On July 06 2015 20:23 Palmar wrote: ##vote clarity_nl Now that we're ganging up on you, how do you feel clarity? Not really bothered. I thought you said you were undecided on me, what changed your mind? | ||
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So your problem is that I answered Oats' questions and that I told you the cop claims were obviously silly? | ||
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On July 06 2015 20:48 boxerfred wrote: well kelsier it was like this: I read up to page 20 I skimmed through the rest till 40 I did not like the sheep that was pointed out I remembered the first post (which I did not read too deep into before), read it and was not liking that he instabelieved the VT claim. the overly defensive + attentionshift post was not taken into consideration for my vote. thanks for reminding me, makes me dislike him even more. My first post was basically the entire discussion for the first 5 pages or whatever, how can you only just now have formed an opinion on it? | ||
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On July 06 2015 20:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Im not gonna bother voting in the voting thread, just assume my vote is on clarity. Even boxer who isnt even you knows what im talking about clarity. Yeah I know weird right? Clearly the definition of sheeping has changed, seeing as I thought sheeping meant just following someone blindly, when all I did in that post was answer your questions and his questions. | ||
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On July 06 2015 20:54 boxerfred wrote: You have been following the VT claim blindly, which is sheeping. So I'm sheeping myself? Nice. Luckily it's a big game and me saying I'm not lynching holyflare (which hasn't changed) isn't really gonna affect day 1. | ||
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##Unvote Kelsier's efforts are clearly townie to me. I like where this Rsoultin thing is going, I put it in the back of my mind because someone pointed out her softpushing me early is her town meta. Her reads are also the opposite of mine. Despite boxerfred's nonsensical "I decided to not like your first post" stance I do think he was coming at me with a townie mindset. When I said the first 5 pages was basically about my first post and he seemed joyous to "catch me in a lie". I'm actually struggling, it's a pretty big game and most of the arguments/interaction appear town on town to me. I agree that ritoky's opening posts wasn't great, ruxxar pointed out early on that his first post "hi guys I'm town, bye." seemed forced and marv went with it. If anyone stands out to me it's Harkon. I wasn't impressed with his entry which was: But he never did get an answer nor did he follow up. Harkon didn't have any thoughts regarding anything that was going on in the thread at this point so you'd think the one thing he asks about he would push for an answer. Other than that there's not much original thought, he goes off the posts of others and says "I like this" and "you should elaborate on this" a lot. Even his little spat with rsoultin just now was only after kelsier was on about the whole xP thing. He's just kinda following the rhythm of the thread. Harkon do you think rsoultin is scum, or what? | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: @Clarity: Harkon got an answer. The only thing I'll agree on is his entry being kinda bad but that's about it. Yeah seems I somehow missed it, my bad. You still have your vote on HolyFlare... Why, exactly? | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I explained it. Though I'm probably gonna move it to sheep marv. I mean holyflare has posted quite a bit, your vote is solely because he called out marv for saying hi and then leaving for 12 hours or whatever? Would you lynch him if you could? Doesn't seem you've pushed him at all. | ||
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On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote: I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. The VT PM is "DLME Investigator" so either oats is scum hunting blues, or he's town hunting people who are either scum/blue, which you know, is great for town either way. | ||
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On July 07 2015 00:29 Harkon wrote: Since you already did this at the start of the game the chance of something like that being a scumslip is almost nonexistant. I do not understnd geripts reaction though. Yeah I agree. Just pointing out I agree that oats is being a dumbass and should just drop it. | ||
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Oats what the fuck are you doing man | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:20 marvellosity wrote: my vote is still on mafia if anyone's interested Yeah okay. ##Vote ritoky I definitely prefer it over the truffle lynch. PS Rsoultin sounding pretty town though I can't quite put my finger on why | ||
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His first post that people jumped on is NAI, other than that I don't have any meta on him as I've never played with him or seen him play, but I don't see anything that indicated that he's scum. Not that he's been useful, but whatever. On July 07 2015 03:28 Trfel wrote: That's not the reason for my scumread. And I'm not going to tell you my scumread now, because you are not getting lynched today, and I want to see if you keep doing the thing I'm scumreading you for. I know it's dumb and I hate rewarding the "fuck you I'm not getting lynched you get no info from me" but I think this post makes him a bit more likely to be town. I feel he'll show his colours in time | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:18 Vivax wrote: In fact I'll take the conditional away and just ask why ritoky is suddenly so important in clarity's eyes. Cause the only reason I see for such a change is that he's the main wagon. There's just wasn't anything to talk about in regards to ritoky, he hasn't done anything. Marv asked for sheeples and I obliged. Your association logic is absurd. We're not even halfway into day 1... and he just claimed 1-shot vig, lol | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:27 ritoky wrote: 1-shot cop, not vig; you didn't even bother to check the op about roles? Oh please, don't actually give out a read, the horror, I wouldn't be able to take it. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:35 ritoky wrote: It is minds like this that have made it much easier to win as mafia on this website in recent times. Who do you want to lynch? | ||
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I kinda don't want to lynch you but that's just cause I'm a pussy Since kp won't go down if we lynch scum is it the mechanical play to let him live at least 1 day so that if he's town, scum either kills him or they have to use a RB? | ||
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Would ritoky really just roll over and die like this as scum? Guess it doesn't matter? :s | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:58 Holyflare wrote: ritoky is likely town, it is what it is, just move on I want to believe this, but why? | ||
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On July 07 2015 05:09 boxerfred wrote: evasive bullshit. whats your read on ritoky? town or not town? I don't know. The claim is dumb as either alignment. I feel like he might be town doing this, and I think the correct mechanical play is to not lynch him today. | ||
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On July 07 2015 05:16 Harkon wrote: If he legitimately believed this was instant majority then it is not as dumb as it looks at first sight even though he should have looked that up before claiming. Nah that's bs, he had 5 votes on him and it takes 13. All he needed to do is start actually contributing. In fact all he had to do was show up and go "give me a bit to read the thread" and no one would have hammered him halfway through d1??? | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:08 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: BONUS BLUE HUNT EDITION ritoky was on my bluedar prior to the claim, im inclined to believe him. Kelsier is on BlueWatch, slightly less abrasive posting style and trying to act stupid at points, could also be an attempt by his ego to think he might actually get nightkilled night one in this game and is preserving himself (?) weird playstyle so far Oatsmaster is always a blue role so naturally he is on the watch list Rest of my reads are unimportant at this point as there isnt really anything concrete just little notes and stuff Look I realize your name is bluehunter but why exactly are you hunting blues? | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:43 marvellosity wrote: ok i totally retract this entire line of reasoning Good man. I haven't played with rsoultin I don't think, but her shitfest with HF seems townie just because I expect scum!rsoultin to back off at some point rather than play the "you're trying to marginalize me" card. I've been going back and forth on boxerfred. His vote has been parked on me the entire time except for switching to trfel when it looked like he was going to be the lynch. marv picks up a line of reasoning that I kinda get if he was just looking at filters. On July 07 2015 18:00 boxerfred wrote: no it's not. note: thus far I only caught up to page 76 which is where I quoted that post from. I hunted blues in my second game (trying to find masons). I did that as town and I went down the full newbie road. Bluehunter is saying nothing all game long. Then he comes up with that huge post, not being very solid, not following up on anything, but, well, going for blue roles. He's a smurf who called himself bluehunter. I don't buy the "he might be a newb" thing at all, no way, no. Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go. I already didn't like this: Someone (don't remember who it was) said that this is a very natural thought. Scenario: you read your role pm, see "oh cool, I'm a blue - damn, I'm just VT". And yes, a similar thought came to my mind - but that happened when I read the OP before the game started. I assume that HF did the very same. We find this pattern of seemingly naive and honest posts in Bluehunter's as well as in Holyflare's playstyle in this game. When I read this my first thought was "he doesn't remember this was me? and he's voting me?!?" but looking again he's probably talking about someone else. I'm gonna go back to this post and just say he's town based on being super excited to "catch me in a lie" On July 06 2015 20:53 boxerfred wrote: that's a lie, page 16-21 are not all about your entry post. they are about a bit of "lel that claim", lots of shittalking and other stuff. nothing on you sheeping the VT claim. On July 07 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote: Tbh, if clarity is mafia it's because in literally the second post in the game he said holyflare claiming VT in the first post of the game is somehow "interesting". It's not interesting, people do this shit every fucking game and no one should give a fuck. The fact he tried to appear interested in something so completely and obviously worthless (nevermind that HF is the worst "dick around with claims" offender on TL) is actually kinda scummy and the reason I threw my vote on him yesterday. Like I think it's sort of mafia like but I don't know if I can convince people that calling something interesting that isn't interesting is a solid case for someone being mafia. Palmar, it was the start of the game, HF's first post WAS interesting, then I tried to move away from it and everyone still brings it up sooo... I thought it was a good way to start the game, and I still feel that way. Why exactly is "appearing to be interested in something that's not interesting" only something scum would do? Anyway this kinda fucking sucks but I'm not sure where to go from here. I like Holyflare's posting in general and I like his case on trfel, that said these two posts... On July 07 2015 14:34 Trfel wrote: I'm not spiting anyone. Almost every question I've asked has had a purpose. Some of it has led to something, some of it has not. Anyway, I recently learned that I might not be here for End of Day tomorrow. So it appears that I will need to thought dump tonight. On July 07 2015 15:01 Trfel wrote: In the event that I'm wrong about LightningStrike, answering this question would be the most harmful thing I could possibly do for town. And I guess I'm not convinced enough about LightningStrike to do that. If it means I get lynched for it, so be it. I have a hard time seeing scum!trfel doing this. I guess I'll have to read into the whole geript/oats thing. Oats has already shown he's not reading the thread but from what I remember that's not alignment indicative, and geript's posting has been better. | ||
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On July 07 2015 21:48 boxerfred wrote: Clarity, why do you claim the lie I caught you at, then say just now that you "tried to go away from the claim" although you said it's interesting in the first place? Makes no sense. Because when I said "just look at the first five pages it was all about my claim" I think it was when I pointed out you caught onto it late or something? Anyway I meant the start of the game but yes there wasn't much talk about it in the first 5 pages. The claim was interesting, then people wouldn't get over it (as I expected they would quite quickly) so I moved on, I think you called that post "moving suspicion to rsoultin" | ||
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On July 07 2015 22:02 boxerfred wrote: Oh wow. ##unvote ##vote Oatsmaster This is dumb | ||
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On July 07 2015 22:21 Harkon wrote: Marv, I am too lazy to check his past games - does clarity's towngame usually consist of giving out loads of weak townreads and no scumreads? No it doesn't but I'm kinda lost this game. They're just my observations, sorry that they're all town ones so far TT | ||
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On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote: Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today. I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading. The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF. The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning. The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point. TLDR Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post Lacks follow through on some posts/questions Lacks scum reads Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks. This guy is scum vot ehim. You are completely misrepresenting me. The questions you asked me were basically "please repeat yourself in a different way" which is a waste of time. I was the one pointing out wave's townread on me at the time made no sense, holyflare responded to MY question when he said there's a good chance WoS is scum. We had this whole conversation already yet you somehow completely ignore it? If you had read the thread the reason marv pointed out my unvote was weird was because he didn't have the context as he simply looked at filters. I asked marv what he was looking at as it struck me as odd we instantly replied to someone asking him a question but he was otherwise not active in the thread. "Has no fear of HF" Alright look fine. When I made the comment when the game just started it was because I had the exact same thought process as him, I realized right after I posted it was probably not great as it would basically be like me claiming VT so I wanted to get away from the whole thing and not talk about it. Too late I guess. I still believe HF is town, mainly due to his contributions and his little spat with rsoultin seems like town on town violence. Just because you haven't seen me post "so yeah I looked over HF and I still think he's town" doesn't mean I didn't go through that process. I kinda want to attack you for being super opportunistic with your case on me but I actually like the case and I think you're probably town soooooo... | ||
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People I would be okay with consolodating on in no particular order: Vivax BM Bluehunter <- I don't buy the whole "scum wouldn't bluehunt in thread" milo and maaaaybe ruxxar, I felt he was townie for the first half of day 1 but looking at him again I just don't really see If I need to I would consolidate on trfel but I'm not happy about it. Like I've said I like HF's arguments but his defense I find very towny. Oh and WIFOM ALERT why would I unvote WoS when I could have easily jsut sat on him? | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:20 marvellosity wrote: why is ruxxar a maybe and scott isn't there at all, for example? I haven't looked at scott in a while but he seemed pretty damn townie earlygame On July 08 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Nobody went with you on WoS. Hardly an easy vote to keep. FINALLY SOMEONE DOESNT SCUMREAD ME. Why are you scumreading vivax? Mainly his whole "hey look guys I'm pushing geript but not really wheeeee" followed by nothing at all. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:24 marvellosity wrote: does anyone think ritoky is town outside his claim? or at least, i should rephrase, are there posts that might make you think he could be? It's literally only the claim that makes me not lynch him today. I definitely think he's not 100% scum so the mechanical play for me is to let him live at least today, probably tomorrow too, then reevaluate if needed. That way if he is town he might show it, and if he is town then scum might have to deal with him anyway | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:26 marvellosity wrote: what's mechanical about it? it's one-shot and mafia will have a RBer and no other target. I mean if he's town and mafia wanna roleblock him two nights in a row that's great for town. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:29 Harkon wrote: ??? You think he is misrepresenting you and the rest of your defense also does not indicate that you like the case. What about it makes him town? I mean he's wrong, obviously, but yeah I kinda like the case. It looks like a case a townie would make, dunno man | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:35 Damdred wrote: Honestly we should stop scatter gunning the conversation and focus on a couple of people to decide t o lynch, majority sucks honestly but we have to work within it. So who's on your "ok to lynch" list other than me? | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:46 marvellosity wrote: you go "good idea, ritoky is easily objectively the scummiest, and his one-shot claim is actually meaningless and it's the only reason the votes moved off him when he was leading the votes" marv you saw my comment about how when roleblocked the check is refunded right? Like I get it he looked really scummy and then he claimed, the claim is whatever... NAI, but if he's town then keeping him alive will hurt mafia by having to waste RB or KP on him, and if they waste KP that's even better. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:29 ritoky wrote: i believe him for now, back to HtS. she was silent when i suggested consolidating on me or her, then people suggested milo as an alternative and she suddenly reappeared to be opportunistic. along w/ previously stated stuff. More of this please ritoky | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:43 Harkon wrote: The obvious benefit of not lynching into them is of course that scum can only rb one of them probably. So, if both of them claim rb tomorrow we can be sure that there is a mafia between them and if for some reason both of them are town they basically need to shoot one of them. The problem is that we are not lynching into a pool of 2 people that likely contains mafia. Scum can just give us a meaningless green check though. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Do you guys really think mafia makes this post? Yes. It seems super desperate. Town should be going "FUCKING LYNCH HTS OBV SCUM WTF ARE YOU GUYS DOING", not martyring the shit out of themselves. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It is literally the exact opposite of desperate. What you think town should be doing and what town actually does are two completely different things. I'm just saying mafia can make this post, the post in itself does not make mafia. But I do think ti looks desperate. I agree town doesn't always does what it should but this whole "I'm town, lynching confirmed town is better than no-lynching" is very likely to come from scum. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No, I don't really think so. Martyring almost always comes from town. That's a ridiculous statement. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:54 Holyflare wrote: anyone wanna do some crazy shenanigans onto people that nobody has mentioned for ages? :D Who would you prefer, Palmar or Vivax? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:55 boxerfred wrote: I don't think I'll vote for ritoky today. Said before why (not lynching un-cc'ed blue claim if I have other reads). LLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLL | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:06 Vivax wrote: This game is insane, at the start of the day with plenty of room to do things, some people go nuts about Trfel. When at the end of the day it turns out he didn't deliver jack for real, they start lynching into cop claims. Who do you want to lynch Vivax? Assume geript is off the table | ||
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You haven't really given your opinions on anything current. You think lynching either one of the cop claims is stupid? | ||
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I see MZ showed up and voted me | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:23 KelsierSC wrote: anyone else see what I see. 2shot dumbledore which is 2shot cop? | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: forgot the game started homes my bad I do apologize to everyone bc I was looking forward to playing this game and I hate folks who do what I did but w/e shit happens. In other news, look very hard at the last 10 people who have voted for me after I flip. I'm actually willing to switch back to ritoky if there's enough people around. | ||
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Ok nvm kill it with fire | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:33 geript wrote: Even I doubt we can get 12 on BM. I don't see how there's much difference between a MZ lynch and a BM lynch. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:34 LightningStrike wrote: I have a weird feeling that MZ is town based on how fast and little resistant the wagon has been. How could scum possibly defend MZ????? | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's very easy to defend me because they know I will flip green. I haven't gotten to the point where people started calling for my death but I'd be suspicious of people who soft defended me. He's saying he doesn't feel good about your lynch because if you were scum, scum would defend you. Which is absurd. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:39 geript wrote: 10 minutes to get 11 votes on BM I'll switch and I'll switch back if it doesn't happen. At least MZ is likely going to talk day 2 whereas BM I expect he will not. I thought the /confirm thing made MZ mafia but as pointed out that was 6 days before game start. ##Vote Bill Murray | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:40 Breshke wrote: Okay so who is actually here who is willing to switch could switch to BM ME hf geript Marv LS rsoul harkon MZ That's 8 am I missing anyone? I'm hurt. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote: if you're here, switch to bm it's quite simple if it gets to 5 mins left and we don't have enough go back to mz +1 +2 +3 | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:47 rsoultin wrote: stupid question more importantly, i don't think we have enough. we should probably switch back? Plenty of time. switch back around 5 min although I strongly prefer BM over MZ | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:54 milo109 wrote: Sigh. I think MZ is a much better lynch. I'm here to switch as need be though. It's not. How is this scum MZ, some super WIFOM maybe if I get myself lynched but town refuses? | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote: We have 14. 98% sure BM flips wanderer though How on earth can you think this. There's a decent chance sure, but you're super certain he's town?? Based on what?? | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:58 boxerfred wrote: this is bullshit and not fun at all. If I ever get to host a game, I'll make clear beforehand that a certain level of AFK will get you a 3 game ban or so. If you look at OP BH actually has a rule akin to this. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also clarity is mafia. Why? | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:59 Holyflare wrote: let's switch to trfel heh heh | ||
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On July 08 2015 07:02 ruXxar wrote: The absolute worst that could happen is a no-lynch. I was not taking any chances. Not only would this be ridiculous for scum to try, they would likely fail anyway as everyone was really active. | ||
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Oh it's the last post of a page and I somehow missed it. Welp good night then. I'll do some work this night cycle and get my thoughts in order | ||
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On July 08 2015 15:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Eh, maybe. I want to see what he says about it. I feel like there's probably a reason behind it but I'm unaware of what it is. On July 08 2015 15:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I rethought it and I think that it could be. On July 08 2015 15:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I did the same already. I think his votes are nonsensical and scummy. Oats already quoted the first bit where he voted MZ because he signed up and forgot and that made him mafia somehow (lol). Here's how I remember the last hour of day 1. So I sheeped marv onto ritoky. I was fine with the lynch but I was wondering if maybe keeping him alive to hinder scum in case he's town was a good play, but as marv said it's probably not enough, combined with no real better realistic options in my mind after some thought I agreed and hopped aboard the ritoky train. I come back and it's about 45min to lynch time (I expected it to be 1h45m but I'm dumb I guess) I see MZ has voted me and said nothing, I'm quickly reading through the thread and figure that although there is a good chance there's scum between the cop claims, that will partially resolve itself through the night so with a better lynch on the the table I get on it. MZ actually starts posting and explaining he forgot the game started etc etc I don't remember what it was but I kinda believed him, then someone pointed out that he had to type /confirm and I went oh, well he's scum then kill it with fire. Someone else pointed out the /confirm was 30/06 and then I kinda waffled on him but stuck to it. I don't remember who brought it up but someone pointed out a BM lynch is pretty similar to an MZ lynch, and I figured between the two I'd rather have someone who will have to contribute from now on compared to someone who is just always going to be a lurker lynch. In my memory all my vote-switches make tons of sense, so I don't quite see what the issue is? | ||
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On July 08 2015 16:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Also, "im happy lynching town". Mr Clarity. That's not how this game works and you know it. Yeah in hindsight would I have rather lynched someone who's not, at this point, confirmed town? Sure. Did we have that information at the time? No. | ||
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On July 08 2015 16:02 Oatsmaster wrote: How about he knew that his posts meant absolutely nothing and werent gonna convince anyone. It doesn't matter. When you are scum and there's only one way to not die you take it. He didn't take it and did some non-sensical waffle thing. | ||
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I know that reading comprehension is hard. So I'll spell it out for you. I was talking about BM, duh. | ||
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On July 08 2015 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Are you even looking at the votes? BM got lynched by a huge margin in the end. Yeah, that's what happens when you look at the votes and not the context. The switch barely happened. I remember someone asking "should we switch back?!" when we had about 11 minutes left, and MZ was still not on BM. It was only a landslide once we hit 13 when people switched to make sure a lynch happened. | ||
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On July 08 2015 17:16 Vivax wrote: Pretty formulaic explanation and also disregards BM's claim entirely. Not impressed here. What were you expecting? My thoughts were my thoughts, want me to dress it up pretty? | ||
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On July 08 2015 18:07 Oatsmaster wrote: But MZ is town because he didnt switch when he didnt need to switch. That makes perfect sense. Actually I just wanna ask you, as of now, would you prefer that we lynched MZ instead? That's actually kinda tough to answer. I think I'm confident enough in MZ being town that I'd rather have lynched BM even knowing he would flip town. Maybe that makes me bad. The questions you're asking me are kinda pointless tho. | ||
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On July 08 2015 18:31 marvellosity wrote: Really fucking hate people who bitch about lynches while not giving a fuck about it themselves. makes me want to shoot them in the face. Huh? Is that directed at me? | ||
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On July 08 2015 18:33 marvellosity wrote: no it was at EBD, fairly obviously. and no i didn't do anything about the switch, do you expect me to have massively persuasive arguments in favour/against either MZ or BM? Fair point. So if there's no strong argument for or against, why do you think MZ was the better lynch? How do you feel about him now? Just trying to get a sense. | ||
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I guess that's NAI... but I think if you roll scum and you come back with an hour or so before deadline is your approach really to vote your first scumread, then argue in thread about how the only lynch other than you is bad? | ||
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Anyway I'm around for most of the day, but I'm not gonna do heavy filter diving or anything until tonight. | ||
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Would you still want to lynch him tomorrow? | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:45 boxerfred wrote: Hm marv said the same but I don't see it. Please point it out to me why exactly he is "the towniest town that ever towned". If that's so obvious it should be easy to do so, right? Another question: you did realize that I currently give HF a town lean and only go back to EOD because I want to solidify that read and hope to maybe find something that gives me a clue about marv? I mean marv should look townie to me at this point but I have a hard time believing it all. Can't give reasons for that sadly, more a feeling I guess. Oh, alright cool. Kelsier has just been extremely involved. His progression through the thread makes total sense and he genuinely looks like he's trying to figure out the game and put effort in. I don't really see what at all could possibly make him scummy. Like if you held a gun to my head and forced me to make a case on him I guess I could but. The list of reads where he has town: breshke, oats, geript, HF and scum: ritoky trefl and half wave aligned with my thoughts at the time quite well. and he read me town which he really didn't have to do if he were scum as it was against thread sentiment at the time. But the biggest argument is just the involvement and effort, really. On July 08 2015 23:46 boxerfred wrote: Another thing is that you say "without meta" well without meta my points on kelsier are rather invalid. So you might consider to check his town meta in Himalaya with his meta in here and drop an opinion on that. I'll do that at some point if needed but it's not really high on my list. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote: i just find it very weird how you're unable to townread me. like it's the scummiest thing you've done by far. but i didn't mind your other posts. *shrug* Your scumgame is kinda good and makes me want to never get burned again. But yeah I think you're town | ||
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3) WaveofShadow (filter) 5) ruXxar (filter) 6) Vivax (filter) 8) ritoky (filter) 9) geript (filter) 12) Trfel (filter) 13) LightningStrike (filter) 17) milo109 (filter) 20) Damdred (filter) 21) rsoultin (filter) 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) I believe a majority of scum (like 4/5) will be in this list. I've liked Vivax posts on boxerfred (even though I think he's town) so he's pretty low priority. Yes I do in fact think HtS is town, and I think rsoultin might be scum. I just have no read on geript at all. I don't feel that either role should be playing the way EBH is playing so I'm having a tough time reaching any kind of conclusion on him... :s | ||
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On July 09 2015 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Is there any reason why you profiled these people? Elimination of people I read as town. | ||
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On July 09 2015 03:57 ruXxar wrote: @clarity: if I said I wanted to shoot HF tonight, would you be upset? This question is insanely dumb on so many levels, why are you asking it? Please explain what you're hoping to get out of this? | ||
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On July 09 2015 04:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: morning everyone, I still want to lynch milo since nothing he's written has in any way seemed townie. I also think Wave is probably scum skating under the radar. discuss Tell me the story of milo claiming 2shot cop after attention shifts to him, after town!ritoky already claimed 1shot cop? I could get onboard with wave but it's hard to tell one way or the other, he's just not playing the game much. He was nonchalant early game which I liked but he didn't care at all who got lynched. | ||
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On July 09 2015 04:26 Harkon wrote: It's the "why would I do this as scum?" argument you love to make as mafia and you made better ones than this as mafia. You would basically do anything as scum and if you think I believe you wouldn't push one townie over another then you are pretty stupid. So you think MZ is town, then? | ||
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On July 09 2015 04:27 ruXxar wrote: I'm curious of how upset you would be if HF died. I'd be devestated, I wouldn't be able to feed myself for at least an hour. | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:03 marvellosity wrote: don't *believe* the milo push. esp over ritoky. I understand the difference between not agreeing with the push and not believing the push, but why is his push scum!MZ only? | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:31 Harkon wrote: MZ = best vig shot. Vig can't shoot n1 | ||
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On July 09 2015 06:06 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: Alright this mz/milo/ritoky thing has been beaten to death. Anyone that wants to chime in feel free to give me your opinion on kelsier/breshke/obi That's my towncircle pretty much | ||
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Well MZ shot up to the top of my very short list. I haven't done as much as I wanted to today, so no you can't get any scumreads from me. | ||
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On July 09 2015 06:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I disagree. I've got townleans on the other two there. Marv not being in it is weird but I'd wager he still has a townread on Marv anyhow. I should rephrase and say they're all townreads of mine, that doesn't mean they're my only townreads. Just wanted to point out to EBH that it's curious he picked three people that I have no interest in lynching | ||
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On July 09 2015 06:54 boxerfred wrote: blablabla scummy start doing something, you're not moving from my scum reads anytime soon. I'm shaking in my booties You've been tunneled on me all game yet you just keep interacting with me rather than trying to convince anyone of your read. | ||
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On July 09 2015 07:30 Harkon wrote: Yes. We are probably lynching ritoky today but I am also looking forward to this. You don't like marv's case on MZ? | ||
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On July 09 2015 07:33 Harkon wrote: I do, but you think scum leaves 2 claimed cops alive? Come on. Even if the way both claims happened wasn't suspicious in itself that would be quite unbelievable. We're not going to reduce KP with this day/night cycle anyway, so why not leave them both alive and let scum deal with the problem if you're happy with the MZ lynch? | ||
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On July 09 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote: Yeh we are never not lynching you ever. Why? How is lynching one of us preferred over the other? If you wanted to lynch him prior to his red check claim why not lynch him first? | ||
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On July 09 2015 08:32 geript wrote: Not really. There are actually a variety of possibilities floating around in my head of possibilities. For example, Ritoky could have been delivering a hit. Ritoky could have been receiving a hit. Neither of which lead to Damdred being mafia. Like there's even a bizarro world where all four are town. Sure he could be RB, but he could also be rolecop. Like the milo/MZ/Damdred world looks all nice and pretty, but it's just that. It fits and it makes the most sense to me currently, but I really couldn't care less about it. It also doesn't actually tell me which one I want to lynch. Plus I'm guessing that at least 1 more person has something interesting to add to the picture (hopefully). Since it would be fitting to have a third 1-2 shot investigative role around. I just hope it's not oats because he never uses his role. There's 0 chance damdred is rolecop as ritoky claimed cop. Four worlds in which we live I think: Damdred is scum RB and ritoky is town cop. Damdred is town JK and ritoky is scum Damdred is town JK, ritoky is cop, and someone else stopped a hit. Damred is town JK, ritoky is cop, and scum double stacked marv. | ||
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On July 09 2015 09:00 Harkon wrote: He already claimed 2-shot. -Scenario 1 is incredibly unlikely. -Scenario 2 is incredibly unlikely. -Scenario 3 is likely true. +1 easy game | ||
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On July 09 2015 09:42 ruXxar wrote: I thought you were a pr yesterday and tried to tell oats to back off. Classic oats. Yeah I felt the same. With his reaction to "investigator" he's either blue or scum.. | ||
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On July 09 2015 09:45 ruXxar wrote: What do you mean? What's bad about claiming VT? Well let's just say that Oats claimed VT by saying "everyone has it in their PM" and leave it at that. | ||
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On July 09 2015 09:49 Breshke wrote: So if damdred is mafia does that mean milo is mafia? Or could there be two mafia RB with this many roles I'm not sure Pretty much. On the other hand if damdred somehow flips JK I think milo is likely town and ritoky scum. But I expect damdred to flip scum. | ||
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On July 09 2015 09:51 Clarity_nl wrote: Pretty much. On the other hand if damdred somehow flips JK I think milo is likely town and ritoky scum. But I expect damdred to flip scum. Eh this isn't true actually. NVM. Looks like milo is gonna take his time, I'm going to bed. WoS would be cool if you could shared some reads and such. | ||
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Ritoky claimed 1-shot cop halfway through day 1 when pressure started to build on him, milo claimed 2-shot cop near the end of day 1 when it looked like he was the main wagon. Day 2 starts and ritoky immediately claims he was roleblocked. town!milo was roleblocked. Obviously town would never roleblock him (having a JK defending him is not a thought anyone would have) so he should be feeling like ritoky is very likely lying at this point. However, somehow his first instinct when hearing about ritoky being roleblocked as well as him, is to: On July 09 2015 07:41 milo109 wrote: Red on Clarity. Test Clarity and Holyflare? On July 09 2015 07:53 milo109 wrote: I was roleblocked by the way. I got reactions from the two I wanted. I'll post my thoughts after dinner. So right away I have trouble putting this in town!milo's actions. He should be out to lynch ritoky and push him, not do some fake check/just kidding I was roleblocked and then leave to go look at responses later. Keep in mind that town!milo believes he was roleblocked by scum, so faking a redcheck on me would not make HF or myself slip up as scum, so the whole thing doesn't make much sense. He comes back and Damdred has claimed JK on ritoky at this point: On July 09 2015 11:14 milo109 wrote: OK... Well. I'll look out at the reactions later. First I need to figure out this Damdred stuff. The problem is I think I might even believe Ritoky. Which means Damdred would have to be mafia. But I was RBed. Almost has to be by mafia. Which means Damdred is town. Okay. Ritoky is like confirmed mafia in my world. But that claim is so odd. Whatever. Get to see the lynch. Quick note, as to why I reaction tested Clarity in particular, I thought he was the most scummy after MZ and HF. Hoped to see confirmation. But that is totally thrown out of whack by this. So I never get a check this entire game btw. Ugh. Okay so this all makes sense from town!milo's perspective: "I now know that ritoky was roleblocked by damdred. I know that I was roleblocked by mafia. Making the reasonable assumption that scum do not have two roleblockers, this means that Damdred is in fact the town JK." However he then says Ritoky is now confirmed scum. This would make night actions as follows: 1 scum kp on Palmar 1 scum kp on marv damdred JK > ritoky scum RB > milo However, milo overlooks that town!milo would consider that scum roleblocked him, damdred JK > ritoky and scum kp > ritoky. This is what makes sense if both him and ritoky are cops, otherwise scum would just let ritoky get a check off. This should be a consideration for town!milo and only for him, because he is confirmed cop. He claimed he believed ritoky but he can't be cop, yet didn't see the obvious night actions that would have ritoky be cop. On July 09 2015 12:06 milo109 wrote: Lol. What if Ritoky is mafia and Damdred is bad town and managed to somehow stop a kp. I know. It didn't happen. But would be hilarious. How does town!milo want to believe that ritoky is town, but he does not see that scum could have roleblocked him and shot ritoky?? It's because scum!milo is pretending to be town!milo. On July 09 2015 11:26 milo109 wrote: Geript will probably die in the night. Either Damdred is JK or you people lynch me. In whatever world town!milo lives, either there are two scum roleblockers (and one of them is Damdred) or Damdred is JK. This should mean to him that if Damdred is JK he is less likely to get lynched because a roleblock on him makes much more sense, however he says the opposite. On July 09 2015 12:24 milo109 wrote: Bro. My fate is tied to yours. Of course I'm defending you. You're just making it hard. Milo is correct here. However he did not say "you have to be town because of the information I have", he says "my fate is tied to you". His phrasing throughout day 2 has been like this. - Ritoky is like confirmed mafia in my world. - Unless another town RBer wants to out, or mafia has two RBer, that's what I have to believe, odd as it is. - So.. I have to defend Damdred here, despite the fact that he is the worst JK ever if he is one. People make mistakes.. Milo is talking as if he is considering someone else's point of view: scum!milo is trying to think like town!milo. tl;dr: Milo is scum. He did not call out ritoky immediately when he said he was roleblocked, despite not believing in two scum roleblockers. He is having trouble figuring out how town!milo would view the game and he makes statements that show he does not really believe what he's saying but he's "forced to" go along this path. | ||
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On July 09 2015 11:17 milo109 wrote: ##vote: Damdred | ||
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On July 09 2015 14:21 ritoky wrote: Meh, I really think milo is the cop for a absolutely stupid reason and I haven't really budged on it. I am super tired, but as of right now I am leaning towards believing all the claims and lynching outside them. I am also SUPER wary of HF not being targeted N1...but if it was something like Palmar and Marv as the targets I suppose I can hold off on that paranoia 1 more day. So this is the only world that can be true in: Scum kp palmar + ritoky. damdred JK > ritoky Scum roleblock > milo That's the conclusion I got to too, it's the whole basis of my case. Milo does not recognize this is the only world that exists for town!milo other than scum having two roleblockers, which he himself says is not possible. How can you say both you and milo are cops and then expect scum to shoot palmar+marv and give one of you guys a check. They would only do this if they were able to roleblock both of you, which is only true if damdred is mafia roleblocker. You should absolutely not want to lynch outside of the claims. | ||
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On July 09 2015 14:25 Clarity_nl wrote: So this is the only world that can be true in: Scum kp palmar + ritoky. damdred JK > ritoky Scum roleblock > milo That's the conclusion I got to too, it's the whole basis of my case. Milo does not recognize this is the only world that exists for town!milo other than scum having two roleblockers, which he himself says is not possible. How can you say both you and milo are cops and then expect scum to shoot palmar+marv and give one of you guys a check. They would only do this if they were able to roleblock both of you, which is only true if damdred is mafia roleblocker. You should absolutely not want to lynch outside of the claims. In short: 1. Milo scum, Damdred scum. 2. Milo scum, Damdred JK 3. Milo town, Damdred scum. There is no version in which both are town unless scum were going to let ritoky have a check. | ||
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On July 09 2015 14:30 ritoky wrote: scum kp -> marv + palmar damdred jk -> rit scum rb -> milo also works and allowing a cop to get a check in a 25 man game isn't a horrible thing...i would consider letting a solitary check through if i were mafia especially considering the credibility of both cops. 23 people to investigate, probably 5 mafia ~20% success rate of check? Not a bad gamble, + screaming over them to potentially extend 1 phase? A lot more worthwhile risk imo than people saying I could have carried kp last night. hold on though let me re-read and reconsider your post see if it touches me differently. In your scenario, scum doesn't know damdred the town JK is gonna JK rit. | ||
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OWS are you here or what? I gtg soon. | ||
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On July 09 2015 14:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Im not really understanding your case. Basically Milo shouldve instantly thought that Ritoky was mafia because he claimed roleblock right? Yes. Barring that, since he said he believed ritoky was town he should have been able to figure out in what scenario that was possible, but he did not. Also tone and stuff. | ||
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On July 09 2015 19:50 marvellosity wrote: the problem for damdred (and milo) is that it just makes a lot of sense for mafia not to kill into the cop claims, rb the one that is legit and hope for mass confusion the next day. that seems like the correct play from mafia PoV. I don't get this. Why shoot Harkon over either the "second cop" or you, if there are two cops? On July 09 2015 19:16 Harkon wrote: How likely is it that claimed the fucking JK over mafia anyways? JK is literally the only role damdred could have possibly ckaimed This post makes no sense. His claim makes sense as both town and scum so it must be scum? I mean whatever I believe your vet claim I think. That said it's not impossible for scum to have shot marv and now use that opportunity to claim vet but I don't think it would be Harkon as you've generally been read town by everyone. | ||
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On July 09 2015 19:58 ruXxar wrote: The thing I don't understand though, Is that if he pursued his clarity lynch and he flipped green, then milo would be outed the next day. So it's a terrible play from mafia perspective to claim a red check on a townie. Nah he was obviously gonna withdraw the statement. It's just that it would never have accomplish anything if he were town. As scum however he can twist it into "Lol Clarity's reaction so fake", however then the JK claim happens and he just kinda goes "the reactions don't matter now because.... reasons" | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:01 marvellosity wrote: see bolded obviously hitting me is/was a bad idea. I mean maybe I'm just bad but that's something that can easily backfire. I think ritoky with a red check on say... Vivax would have been able to pull town around. Like when milo claimed a red check on me HF immediately went "always killing clarity first here always" | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:05 marvellosity wrote: i don't quite understand what you're saying I think I would never agree to letting a cop get a check off as scum if both cops were known.. to "cause confusion". Seems super convoluted to me. Like what town medic is gonna guess between ritoky/milo and protect one? | ||
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If we lynch into Damdred or milo I'm happy. MZ can wait. Trying to figure out if all three can be scum... The associative stuff between milo/MZ kinda says so, I guess I should wait for flips | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:32 ruXxar wrote: I only see two plays from a mafia milo, Either he claims a green check and tries to survive, or he claims a green check to take one person down with him. Claiming red and then rescinding is like the worst mafia play, now he gains nothing. He's just claiming roleblocked with a "pro-town move that won't accomplish anything". MZ was on the chopping block, not him. Why not claim RB n1 and get a check n2? | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:38 milo109 wrote: So after Ritoky's last posts, I believe he is town. Which means either town roleblocked me or Damdred is JK. I actually think Damdred stopes KP This means you think Harkon is scum, right? | ||
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Everybody is town? HA! | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:52 Breshke wrote: So then why are people saying Marv could have been hit and arnt calling hardon mafia I implied it's possible but very unlikely. | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:58 marvellosity wrote: i wasn't even making the joke, i was just copying breshke :/ Freud would like to have a word with you. | ||
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Marv please consider lynching milo before Damdred. There is definitely a chance Damdred is JK, in which case scum have to deal with him tonight. I don't really see how milo can be cop, though. | ||
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On July 09 2015 21:10 Harkon wrote: There is no world where milo is mafia and damdred isn't. Actually yeah you're right, thinking about it your claim basically means exactly that. Alright let's just kill Damdred then. | ||
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Mafia. Am I doing this right? I actually haven't liked Oats' posting at all today. | ||
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On July 10 2015 01:10 milo109 wrote: When Damdred flips town you will have to argue that the probability of him stacking with mafia times the probability of Ritoky not being mafia is higher than the chance I'm town. So I'm leaving the question of my scumminess aside until after he flips town. Let's focus on the mafia here. HF and probably Clarity are my top scun at the moment. I'm fine lynching EBH as well. I think you're scum whether damdred flips JK or scum RB so no. Let's talk about it now. I don't see the damdred lynch being stopped, why wait 72 hours? How about you engage with what I've put forth in my case on you and then you argue why HF is scum and why I am scum. | ||
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On July 10 2015 01:21 Holyflare wrote: Omg plz i poe basically the whole mafia team and point out all the bs tmi reads and rsoultin thinks I'm mafia because my vote was on milo before geript claimed the track? You reading this bs rofl? Do you bring this up because you think it makes her scum, or do you just have a fragile ego? | ||
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In fact I can't find it :s | ||
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I'll take a look at HF once we run out of sound lynches but tbh I still think he's pretty darn town. Maybe you guys all just have the fear because apparently he's a great scum player, the same way the thought of marv being scum always crawls around until I shake it off. The only thing I don't like is the whole "waaaah no one is listening to me and omg someone called me scum OMGUS" | ||
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On July 10 2015 02:11 Holyflare wrote: Yeh i wanted to be a hipster with milo. I voted him first because he was scummy and then red check on clarity so i didn't really care because we lynch clarity and confirm or deny milo and then he claimed rb and i didn't believe anything he said after that hence revoting him. I didn't believe that there would be 2 cops, both with rb claims after a banisher had flipped and milo was scummier than ritoky at that point for the tmi post i was pushing last night. Then i went to the cinema and watched the little yellow men in denim. I was a little hesitant to flip damdred first because milo kept saying the weirdest shit about how damdred was town after the track so wifom'd me but it doesn't really matter tbh. marv made a good push on MZ based on him thinking milo is scummier than ritoky, because during n1 this simply wasn't the case (I agree with this). Milo only started looking scummier to me during d2 (obv he looked scummy d1). But I can move past that tbh. As for rsoultin.. I'll look into her later. Her filter gives me a headache because of the shitfights with you. Your vote is still on milo, do you think he's a better lynch than damdred? | ||
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town!milo should feel the opposite though. Apparently he thinks Damdred is town but is fine with lynching him, and he doesn't wanna defend himself until we pile on the votes d3 (?!) | ||
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How so? He showed up and went "when damdred flips town then I'll continue playing the game". His posts prior to that are all him concluding that damdred is JK. | ||
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On one hand you would expect town!rsoultin to stop making weak attacks like "your vote is still on milo, HA, I caught you" but on the other hand you'd expect town!HF to stop writing paragraphs defending himself against every little thing if he thinks rsoultin is scum. | ||
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On July 10 2015 03:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol you literally only show up in the thread when someone says your name which means a) you're reading and b) you're probably scum for active lurking Who said his name? :S | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:08 geript wrote: Either way I'm going to say this right now because I feel really strong about this. NEVER FUCKING LYNCH WAVEOFSHADOW!!!!!! Seriously. IDK what it is and I can't explain it at all quite yet. But I will hate you forever if you lynch him. And I didn't feel super safe about him last game at all. Maybe never lynch Holyflare. At best, I'd only consider him in Mylo (given milo/damdred/MZ). And even then I'm not sure I would. I'd have to think about a lot of things. But I had a strong townread on him early and I'm really struggling with a reason to exchange that in any way right now. That's like really surprising to me. WoS doesn't even seem interested in the game at all, how on earth could you feel so strongly one way or the other about his lynch? :s I hope you find a way to explain before the end of n2. | ||
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On July 09 2015 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I had a few I thought of earlier but now I forget them. Gimme a bit I guess. I'm totally not feeling this game Somebody vig me lol | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:40 milo109 wrote: For those asking why I've adopted a apathetic attitude to the rest of this day it is simple. Town is making the mechanical play that I know to be incorrect because I have information you don't(That I'm a cop.) All my reads are based on this information. This information means I almost have to believe that Damdred is town. Yet Damdred has acted so scummy that we have to lynch, even if it just so that town knows that he is town. Until that happens, my reads are based off more knowledge than you have. I'm in a holding state, waiting for Damdred to be lynched so we can all be on the same page. Why don't you entertain the thought of scum having two roleblocks at all? Start from there and put some reads out there. Do you currently believe ritoky is cop or scum? | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:52 boxerfred wrote: trying to catch up on the whole claim things. so what came to my mind was the following: facts: 1kp delivered. 1 banish delivered. Also damdred visited ritoky. geript tracked him. a) geript is legit tracker and confirmed town. b) geript and damdred are scum together and orchestrated that (which is unlikely but possible) Then there's this damdred's filter: Pushing clarity. There's always one or even more scum reads on clarity during D1. So why not jail this guy? Why jail ritoky instead? For the jail itself: I (as a newer player) can actually see a jailor jailing ritoky. A defensive jail if he believed the cop claim - and a offensive jail if he would not believe it. As it is, we have a person being roleblocked (marv), a person being visited (ritoky) and only one KP carried out. Doesn't that actually mean that it is highly likely that the KP was delivered by either marv or ritoky? Who else was blocked during the night, if any? I think milo claims to have been blocked (if I remember correctly, unsure of that and not really having the time to investigate on this). So that brings us to 3 people that might have delivered a KP and were blocked. Marv, ritoky, milo. Okay. At this point, I remembered that Harkon claimed. This: This fucking screws my theory because it simply makes sense. I don't see Harkon claiming vet as scum. So that removes Marv and Ritoky from my list of people that could have delivered the KP. Leaving milo. ##vote milo Harkon claimed vet and that he got shot n1. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Saying something controversial doesn't mean you're town, it's the same situation where I didn't want to immediately lynch BM. Did you just scumslip or are you just really confident that boxerfred is town? | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:09 ritoky wrote: Random thought as I am catching up right now. Don't people usually ping out LS as mafia for basically doing nothing? Hasn't he done nothing since the end of d1? Also, does anyone know any of his reads at all, cuz I don't.... Yeah I pretty much agree with this. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No lol, boxerfred seems to be implying that people should think he's town because he's saying something controversial and I'm pointing out it doesn't work like that and used my opposition to the BM lynch as an example: i.e. people shouldn't be townreading me simply for opposing the BM lynch. Okay let me rephrase, what do you think of boxerfred? | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:15 Holyflare wrote: why can't ritoky and damdred be mafia together for you? Because damdred visited ritoky, silly goose | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:17 Holyflare wrote: well i'm just asking why HE doesn't think about it since he's in this situation in my world it's just damdred and milo Oh that's a fair point, carry on. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote: I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align.... If damdred is town JK, milo is scum and scum roleblocker hit you as well. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:44 ritoky wrote: Can you explain this to me more thoroughly please. So a scenario in which damdred is JK, harkon is vet and milo is scum: 1 kp on marv 1 kp on harkon damdred JK > ritoky scum RB > ritoky milo claims he was roleblocked. Tah dah, a scenario where damdred is town and it all fits. Like I don't believe it's the case, but it's possible, just saying. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:58 KelsierSC wrote: i assume you mean palmar instead of marv here Yeah my bad | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote: Rolf I am the 2 Shot Gunsmith I already gave someone a gun I wont name them and if they are reading this: Don't claim that you have a gun. WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CLAIM THIS | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:13 marvellosity wrote: guys, just laugh resignedly, don't get mad. Too late. But I'll try to get over it quickly. Like there's 0% chance of him getting lynched, why the fuck would he claim anything. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:14 LightningStrike wrote: I was just trying to shut down Damdred's push onto me since he's clearly scum at this point. OH I SEE, SO SCUM WAS PUSHING YOU AND GAINING 0 TRACTION, SO YOU TOLD SCUM YOUR ROLE, GOOD JOB, YOU STOPPED YOURSELF FROM GETTING LYNCHED. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:15 Holyflare wrote: i can't help it, i'm really in a bad mood and whenever i post something someone else does some silly shit or calls me mafia and it just puts me right back in that bad mood i want an actual game of people that listen to things i contribute or at least converse with me about why they are wrong or right but instead it's little quips or just flat out ignoring or calling me scummy or just hard defending the person i'm bringing up points on while shit fighting with me Ok I'm gonna just say this once HF, apparently you're a smart guy so you'll get this, are you ready? IF THEY ARE SCUM, THEN THERE IS NO REASON TO GET MAD AT THEM FOR DOING SCUMMY THINGS OR DUMB THINGS. WHY ARE YOU MAD AT YOUR SCUMREADS. Okay? | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:29 Harkon wrote: To make this clear: I am not buying this unless geript comes in here and confirms and noone else should either. I believe it, why would damdred lie, makes no sense. Soooo.... Let's start discussing our lynch as if it's true. Milo, yes? Let's go. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:34 Damdred wrote: Your reaction Milo is damded is 100% town, you show no fear that Ritoky rb is fake and treat him like town even before I claim jk. You draw np conclusions really from your reaction test but you soft to hard defend me at times. For,no reason anyone with anything 100% knows I would,be mafia in the scenario that was presented to the thread but with your superior knowledge defend me. Because just like in guardians you like being right +1 easygame. #theplays always works. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:37 milo109 wrote: thinking* Alright milo. So tell me this, do you believe they're masons? If yes, do you still think ritoky is town? | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:38 Harkon wrote: Thank you for wasting half our day you goddamn retards. I don't feel like this is the case at all. Why are you guys reacting so poorly. I think we got tons of info :S | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:38 Holyflare wrote: ty for also outing the veteran and gunsmith when we already had mz/milo as mafia lol? i guess? Gunsmith didn't need to out, also scum pretty much know harkon is vet by the fact that he didn't die. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:40 Harkon wrote: milo and MZ were on the block before so what did we gain aside from wasting 24 hours where we could have discussed actual relevant things? This is absolute and utter shittier. Well I look townier, for one. So yay me | ||
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I guess. Also there's no world in which your claim is fake now I think. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:42 geript wrote: I already answered this. My vote in the least should continue to answer this. Like I'd love to have a sick townread on Damdred and claim to be mason but I can't. I'm not BH. I don't make cases on my mason partners. Like it's only slightly obvious. I just don't know who I want to kill first. Also, two things. You need to never fucking claim ever again. I will start lynching you if you claim any role in the game if there's not halfway decent purpose. Second. you 100% have to claim who you gun at the end of every night from now on until you're out of guns. It sucks but it's more important for town to know who has your gun than to prevent scum from knowing who has your gun. I might change my mind on that, but eh. For now that's how I feel. What? Is it hard to say YES or NO? | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:44 milo109 wrote: So um.. What exactly was Damdred hoping to accomplish with this? O.O. Damn. He might be scum. Life sucks. He might be???? If he is lying about the mason claim then he IS. But why would he, literally makes no sense at all. I still believe geript is being dumb. | ||
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Well that's fine then, at least he saved us the trouble of more wifom. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:47 milo109 wrote: Like.. But if he is scum.. Who roleblocked me? Is it back to two RB being the only world? Two roleblockers or you're scum, yep. Makes things easy doesn't it? | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:48 Clarity_nl wrote: Two roleblockers or you're scum, yep. Makes things easy doesn't it? Or damdred/ritoky scum if damdred is framer, we'll see when damdred flips. Either way we're lynching scum today and tomorrow. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:51 Harkon wrote: He can tell us who has the first gun 3 mins before end of night though. Although scum probably won't have a rb either way so :/ No, scum can roleblock+kill the gun holder if it's revealed. There's no need to tell town who has the guns | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:54 geript wrote: I was also operating under a few assumptions. 1. That people can fire during the day (which is wrong which makes claiming the gun super extra important). 2. That people wouldn't think that I'm that fucking retarded. Like I can be a ballsy player. And I've claimed roles and checks that I didn't ever get. But the bottom line is that I'm town and the thing that I hate most as town is when there's fucking chaos around crazy shit. So me claiming a tracker to track someone to veteran hit actually fulfills three things (providing information, clear time frame for how long to extend the play, and lets me try and read and flow with the game). Like me being a mason and doing this doesn't hit any of those. Alright that's fair. When you introduce guns that shoot instantly I understand your hesitation a bit more. Apparently I need to keep up with TL mafia meta so I don't get trolled by scum, LOL. I meant no offense geript sorry if it came across that way. | ||
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Tomorrow's lynch: If damdred flips roleblocker, lynch milo If damdred flips framer, lynch ritoky After that? Who knows. Alright guys I'm sorry for spamming up the thread, I won't post for a while although obv I'll answer anything directed at me, see ya. | ||
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On July 10 2015 07:08 boxerfred wrote: Could it be a "geript + damdred are scum, pretend masons, bus hardcore" play now? This is a plan where scum sacrifice damdred the roleblocker, even though he was under less scrutiny than milo/MZ, so no. | ||
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On July 10 2015 07:12 boxerfred wrote: or, damdred the framer. if that's the case, it's likely that milo was indeed blocked by mafia rb. why makes a framer flip ritoky scum? Because I don't see a world where scum frame+roleblock town!ritoky and then claim roleblocked on milo scum. I also don't see a world where they have two roleblockers and a framer and both ritoky and milo are cops. If damdred framer visited ritoky it's because they wanted to make scum!ritoky appear green to checks. | ||
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On July 10 2015 21:03 marvellosity wrote: look, i'll listen when i need to listen. just every time you're in the thread, the thread goes all angry, and i'm generally in a fairly docile state of mind lately and i don't want to have to wade through the anger to get to the nub of it. i imagine we'll both be alive d3, and possibly d4 too, so yea. This mimics my thoughts completely. HF, every time you go "waah no one pays attention to me and rsoultin is scum and waaaaaaah" the thread does dumb things for like 10 pages and the fact that you've repeated this cycle a good five times is ridiculous to me. Like we get it, you think rsoultin is scum. I've spent a lot of energy on other things today and I'm not lynching rsoultin d2 or d3 soooooo. Your posts won't get deleted, I can come back to them. What I'm wondering is if you could keep this up at scum, just constantly be the bitchy moany type. Honestly I've just been glancing over you and rsoultin. But at least you have thoughts about actual current affairs while rsoultin seems locked in the past and has no thoughts about the goings on. She keeps talking about her read on trfel for whatever reason and it's just all blah. How about every time you wanna post about rsoultin you do it in a notepad and tomorrow or whenever you can regurgitate the entire thing in one post, yes? | ||
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I mean I suppose. In fact one of the few things I had the same thought on as rsoultin (but wasn't going to post) was that LS claim is fake to draw a shot. So assuming milo is scum, ritoky + harkon + MAYBE ls How do you live? :D | ||
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Marv why you so townie? Like last time you were scum I thought you were townie but I had my doubts but basically no doubts this game how do you do that? Anyway, as happy as I am with a milo lynch tomorrow I'm kinda worried that if everything stagnates cause we got our lynches lined up we kinda lose if he somehow flips town. | ||
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On July 10 2015 22:16 rsoultin wrote: ??? like this isn't accurate either? thanks for being a shit though? This is the impression you get. Your posts are either "I can't be bothered with this game at the moment" or "omg HF you're totally wrong!" in a short timespan of him posting. Ignoring the way you seem to be active lurking.. Like at some point today or n2 I'll take a closer read at both of you I guess but at the moment how could you possibly think you are helping town right now? If you want to get insulted by everyone who posts about you I guess go right ahead but it's not helping you as either alignment. | ||
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On July 10 2015 22:22 rsoultin wrote: yeah someone actually read my filter sometime that would be nice >< i'm done with this Way to prove my point | ||
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On July 10 2015 23:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Does anyone have any compelling reasons why breshke is town? He immediately sheeped damdred d1? Other than that I've read him as town although I'm struggling to come up with a coherent answer without filter diving him. | ||
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On July 10 2015 23:25 milo109 wrote: Am I allowed to ask why I am auto? Is it because you believe Ritoky is town and don't think there are two RBs? Is it because I refuse to be bullied off my reads? Or is that I'm way too good at predicting the game? I think I made my reasons super clear in the case I wrote up on you, which you never did respond to. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=192#3840 | ||
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On July 10 2015 23:30 Half the Sky wrote: I had LS on a scum lean list prior to his claim. I also agree with the points made on his meta, it is anti-town (but he's not scum obviously) for doing that and I even said in Himalayas post game he has to stop doing that but he just continues to do it. He's most likely town as he has done this practically all the time. If someone else did that I would have a bigger problem but it's LS. And as said before the role he claims is verifiable by extra kp or someone backing him up after the fact. If he is lying, I can think of certain questions that might catch him out but point is he's made himself solvable within a cycles time. Yeah, basically if LS is scum he would need a scumbuddy to "verify" his claim. Which scum won't do because it'll screw them over. I agree that LS is for sure town, I thought there was the possibility that he's VT fakeclaiming but apparently his meta is to claim at ridiculous times (his claim is so anti-town I have no idea what to say) so that leaves the claim being true. Actually I'm gonna take a look at people pushing LS day 1, Damdred started it I think, breshke immediately sheeped it (which is a townlean I think, I don't think scum throws out a giant wifom bomb that early) and a lot of people agreed. | ||
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On July 06 2015 11:07 KelsierSC wrote: alright so let me tempt you THUSLY!!!! what if i say damdred is mafia because his rsoul read is less convincing than a previous game but he is still like oh fuck yeh town zong! On July 06 2015 11:07 milo109 wrote: I'm mildly certain Kelsier is scum. Notice the timestamps. Just saying. | ||
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On July 06 2015 11:24 milo109 wrote: It's harder to read Damdred when you aren't mafia. I'm gonna call him mafia here though. Milo went from calling Kelsier scum immediately after Kelsier said Damdred is scum, to scumreading damdred when there was no longer pressure on him, without reasons. | ||
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On July 11 2015 00:24 milo109 wrote: Fine. I'll vote for myself on the condition that if I flip two-shot cop, you lynch HF and if he flips red you lynch boxer. Luckily we won't need your vote to lynch you so this is a really dumb deal. | ||
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LS you're confirmed town, so I'd like you to actually pay attention and try to figure out the game. How you can put a scumread on Damdred out there for these reasons is beyond me | ||
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On July 11 2015 00:34 marvellosity wrote: what's the point ruxxar? LS is effectively confirmed town right now. Hey you. Stop doing that, it's turning me on a little. | ||
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On July 11 2015 01:04 ruXxar wrote: I agree that I didn't like his entry into the thread. I feel like he acted way too calm for someone that is about to be mis-lynched. There was no sense of panic in his writing. If you know you are town, then your priority should be to get the lynch over on anyone you think is less than 100% town and has a realistic chance of being a lynch target with majority vote. This argument is the same for scum | ||
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Bad phrasing. I meant scum and town both want to not get themselves mislynched. His argument only makes sense if BM flipped scum. Sureas scum you'd just go "yeah fuck this lurker, better him than me", but you would do the same as town, especially since BM is confirmed not a blue role. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:39 Damdred wrote: You Trfel Wave I wanted to lynch LS earlier, but idk it could be a bad read based on a meta hes trying to break i'd rather give him the night so i can look into his actions a bit more. Looking back at this, I can clearly see how trfel is likely town and WoS is likely scum, btw. | ||
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In order I would like to lynch: Damdred Milo WoS MZ Vivax Rsoultin <- I have to read up on her and HF. I said much earlier in game I think their d1 stuff was town on town, but that was before it happened like 5 more times. I definitely don't think it's scum on scum, HF makes me nervous as his posts have gotten more and more emotional and less and less Need to read up on ruxxar and to a lesser extent HTS and boxerfred because they're kinda null in my mind. I expect the entire scumteam to be in the names I put in this post. | ||
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Newsflash not every post scum makes is scummy. On July 11 2015 02:58 Holyflare wrote: Since when was being emotional alignment indicative? Also, how are my posts becoming more and more emotional and less and less useful? If you're going after milo after damdred guess who brought up that TMI stuff first. Me. If you're saying you've not looked into rsoultin at all and I keep trying to get people to look at rsoultin and another player just said they flat out ignored me, do you think that warrants emotion? I do. Annoyance. I mean, I even started talking about trfel just now and you're busy pumping out useless lists instead of talking about it? I dunno what more you want from me. It's not. Be emotional that's fine. But you are very often shitting up the thread and burying important shit with your whining. You are doing this consistently. Town can definitely do this but only when they are bad. Are you bad? No one else seems to think so. So you're pushing a scum agenda in that way, and it worries me. I have looked into rsoultin just not very deeply yet, there's really no rush on it at the moment. I'd rather someone on my list do something useful so I can strengthen my reads. But townies are saying "fuck it we know the lynch so I'm afk" which allows scum to hide in that group of people. | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:25 Holyflare wrote: Off the top of your head what emotional shitting up the thread did I do today. You're bringing up every little point against you, blowing it out of proportion and then defending yourself. For example, your previous post is not you saying trfel is scum as much as it's saying "I am town", something that really doesn't matter at this stage. On July 11 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote: Let's get back to trfel though. His case which you disregarded as his best post because it has words in it: Let's start with the bolded. If he believes this is the case then he is saying I did not scum hunt at all day 1 which is unarguably false, correct? I'm pretty sure I cased him, rsoul, hts, milo etc etc etc. So, even though I was angry at HtS and Rsoul I was still scum hunting. It's irrefutable. Then, what else is contained in that read? The dropping of reads for objectively little reason which I'm also pretty sure I did multiple times (him, hts at night but that's after this post, wave clearly disappeared from my first list, etc etc.) My list posts have been updated pretty constantly all throughout day 1. So. How can he even make this read if he has been reading the thread? I don't think i've been throwing suspicion at everyone either, sure I've been argumentative with my town reads but anger is just a thing that gets displaced onto other people. The next paragraph after that, yes I've been angry a lot but if I've dropped my town read of Trfel why does he assume he's confirmed mafia to me? He can't, it doesn't make sense. You cannot even say that I haven't been trying to point out why he's mafia to people. That's legitimately just not true in the slightest. I've been getting into fights with rsoul because I've been trying to point out scummy things and questioning them. I even made a case on his read not existing beforehand and appearing magically and then never featuring in his read on LS in the slightest here: So how on earth does it look like i've not been trying to show people he's mafia? It doesn't he's simply just posting things to attempt to blend in. As much as you may disagree with trfel's post, I think it's a good post. He has a good point about you yelling at people you are scumreading which doesn't make much sense from a townie perspective. Anger is very easy to throw around as scum. You can act all angry and come in and out of the thread, you get people to ignore what you're saying and make them rather not go through the mess you've left behind. If he believes this is the case then he is saying I did not scum hunt at all day 1 which is unarguably false, correct? No where in his post do I see him saying you did not scumhunt d1, this is a total strawman. | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:26 ruXxar wrote: I disagree. I think that's a pretty good description of their play. Milo's play has been shallow and unconvincing. It's like he's trying to appear interested, but not really. His flow is unnatural and uninspired. Ritoky on the other hand has had a IDGAF attitude throughout. It's not particularly helpful for town, and I don't like it, but it doesn't give off a strong scummy vibe. If I remember correctly marv posted this during n1, and back then it was true. With all the stuff that's happened d2 and the pressure milo is under obviously things have changed. | ||
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Do you think trfel is scum? Like the post you're deconstructing seems reasonable to me, I agree that he hasn't done much of anything since but does that make him scum? Dno. On July 11 2015 03:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Does town HF really care this much about some not really that important scumreads on him? I dont think so. This is what I've been getting at. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:04 Vivax wrote: Next logical step if Damdred flips scum is to look at milo. I'm not even bothering to do anything else for the moment as it's a waste of time when there's information incoming anyway. So what you're saying is you are keeping track to see if people are mentioning you, but you aren't actually reading the thread to the point where you know milo has a good chance of being lynched tomorrow and is being pushed by multiple people? | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:12 marvellosity wrote: btw there is nothing wrong with HF defending himself. It's an extremely natural reaction and it's ridiculous to suggest he shouldn't. Of course he will. When I pointed it out it's like... I dunno, like he would be yelling rsoultin is scum, and then when rsoultin points out a reason HF is scum he would spend two paragraphs explaining why he would do said thing as either scum or town. He didn't do it because rsoultin's argument was scummy, but rather only to defend himself, which is weird if he is relatively confident that rsoultin is scum. Stuff like that. Like obviously you get accused you defend yourself but he takes every little thing and then acts like he needs to fight his hardest to not get lynched on the spot, and that kinda defensiveness I see coming from scum more than town. It's just a feeling tho | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:17 marvellosity wrote: I can tell you, for free, that I do that a lot more as town than mafia. And HF is in general quite a similar-minded person to me. Fine fine. Hopefully the nightkills will clear things up a bit. You wanna lynch milo tomorrow marv? Or are you gonna push MZ? | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:28 Damdred wrote: I've played horribly but I might as well leave thoughts as I die Explain the mason claim, are you just hoping as town!Damdred that geript makes the play of century and agrees with you? | ||
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Go out and rest assured, marv. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Do you really actually think I'm a better shot than wave or vivax? Why? Literally the only reason you think I'm scum is that you didn't understand my read on milo/ritoky (which you now agree with). Well this is just a dumb argument. You said it when it didn't make much sense, everyone else said it when it did. It's very easy for scum to be right. That's why being right or wrong doesn't matter as much as the reasons you have the reads. | ||
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On July 11 2015 06:17 milo109 wrote: I would approve a switch from Damdred onto me, by the way. It probably makes life easier for town. If you're going to say things like this I'm not even going to read your posts anymore, just fyi. | ||
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On July 11 2015 06:31 milo109 wrote: Lol. Dis game tho. I am confirmed mafia. AMA. You should shoot yourself tonight | ||
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You need help on the definition of everyone | ||
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On July 11 2015 07:07 geript wrote: So when I start calling Damdred not town early on are people going to start listening? Just saying, because I wanted to lynch him on D1. Was a good track. I honestly felt his case on me was decent. Someone told me it wasn't but I don't remember who... I should reread that exchange | ||
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On July 11 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote: I love <3 Damdred sorry about you rolling scum Also that means ritoky is confirmed town because Damdred was tracked to him correct? Yes. Geript confirmed town, ritoky confirmed town, and you're "basically" confirmed town. | ||
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On July 11 2015 07:42 Holyflare wrote: Btw ls if you gave the gun to rsoul which you inevitably did because you're ls and she shoots anyone but mz (probably me) then you must promise to hunt her down as the mafia she is. MZ is incredibly likely mafia and she's been posturing hardcore to use it on me as an "oh whoops" situation. I really like this post. Just wanted you to know that | ||
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I disagree, I think it's super difficult for scum!HF to ever have these thoughts and present them in this way. I should really go to bed, lol | ||
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On July 11 2015 08:29 rsoultin wrote: lol >< who are you anyway? aren't you the same one who insta!townread him off his first post that was objectively nai? the gullibility is amazing I mean honestly I just wanted to start the game off. Don't think his first post matters all that much | ||
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On July 11 2015 08:33 LightningStrike wrote: Ya check Ippo and Himalayas, and Carol of the Bells for his long scum games. I will at some point. Currently I think rsoultin is much more likely to be scum than HF | ||
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On July 11 2015 09:24 Harkon wrote: Considering the reasons you townread him for I could give you a random selection of HF filters (both alignments) without telling you what he was and you would townread him every single time. Nah. You guys seem to think that when I say "I like this post" that that means "You are now confirmed town in my eyes". I've liked HF's play this game, I've had a couple of mindmelds with him, I'm not worried about him at the moment. Maybe on d4 I'll read up on him. | ||
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Do you currently think HF is likely scum? Like I'm trying to imagine anyone else in this game playing the way he's played and I feel he would be a strong townread for anyone, is his scumgame really that good? >.< Don't wanna level myself, I think he's town, sticking to it for now. | ||
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On July 11 2015 09:47 Harkon wrote: I think HF is likely scum, yes. It's not 100 % but it's not a "I am paranoid and do not townread him" read. Fortunately we will have 2-3 lynches until he becomes relevant and if he is town he will be dead by then so it will only become more obvious. If he isn't dead then you should lynch him. If he ever is alive in LYLO you MUST lynch him. Yeah I'm fine with that, although I expect I've looked townie enough to not make it to lylo. | ||
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On July 11 2015 09:56 rsoultin wrote: yes his scumgame is that good i know for whatever reason you seem to think my play is mafia-esque...haven't checked why and don't really care cause you're wrong by default...but the simple truth is he's hard to catch just won himalayas when he was fucking red-checked...survived three days after the check. and ippo before that. in both i was one of the only ones pushing/distrusting him the when we shitfight he's most likely scum read is pretty legit...lol >< and frankly, despite what ls and hf have both said this game, the reverse has never been true. ls fucking forgot this last game and lost the game for everyone...even after i flipped after calling out the entire scumteam two nights in a row so yeah. if you wonder why i'm so easily frustrated, that's a major part of it. people want to hold me to this high-fluting standard of activity while ignoring my reads So do you still read me as scum? Yeah I'm getting more and more certain you're scum, I'll put my thoughts together at some point. Remind me, are you onboard with lynching milo? | ||
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On July 11 2015 09:59 LightningStrike wrote: She not scum bro maybe you should check some of her past games when she was town and scum. I'll be honest LS, confirmed town or no, I have a hard time putting much weight into what you say. | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:10 rsoultin wrote: he's really hitting hard on that holyflare "mindmeld" on the vt claim...i've noticed it multiple times, and it makes me itch, mostly because once is eh and more than once is like yelling hey guys! i'm vt! see see see! without actually writing it lol >< I think I figured it out. I actually just really struggle taking your posts seriously because of the smileys. Like that's obviously my problem, not yours, but I just went through your filter and you've actually said some good stuff that I somehow just didn't pay attention to, so there's that. Also when I defended against Damdred's case I claimed VT, soo..... | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I still don't particularly understand why Damdred/milo were intertwined so much, defense aside. Milo was calling him confirmed town for some reason. Can someone explain that to me? The logic is in my case on him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=192#3840 | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:21 rsoultin wrote: ah i'm naturally sarcastic. the smileys are for clarity (ironically enough xP) ppl comment on them every game and i ignore it every game pretty much lol >< yes. my filter is good. people don't read it. they also take what hf says like it's gospel when if you actually compare his "case" to what happened, it's so full of holes it leaks like a sieve but i don't really want to talk about him right now (and frankly i was actually ready to clear you on damdy's insta!vote at the "red check", cause like i'm working it through my head and if milo is town he should have been roleblocked/killed. so like i need to double-check when he withdrew the check but i think it was before geript claimed? yeah i have to review the timing >< if it was after geript claimed that implicates him heavily, even more than damdred being tracked to ritoky imo) Milo withdrew the fake check like immediately, before he got any info, not that he would have since in his story he is roleblocked by mafia, so if I am mafia I know I didn't get red checked. It's part of my case, you should read it along with OWS! | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm already okay with milo being lynched. I don't know what else you want. You said you didn't understand why damdred/milo are so intertwined. My case explains it. I want you to understand because I am a caring loving person | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:28 rsoultin wrote: it was before lol >< yeah i really am not keeping things straight at all this game nh, disregard that entire train of thought, then regardless, don't see much value in scum!milo and scum!damdy faking a red and insta!voting on a scummate? kinda useless wifom, that. so again it all comes back to milo's alignment like if he's town and assuming there's only one mafia rb and scum gambled for some reason, damdy may have voted so fast because clarity is red, but i find that unlikely...more likely to just kill both rit and milo if they're both town and not take the risk rit is confirmed down, dear. omg I pulled a marv, DID YOU SEE THAT??!?!? | ||
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Ok, well we can both be dumb together. I should really go to bed. | ||
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On July 11 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote: good post on the last page geript. at some point i'm going to have to read everything... It's not a huge chance or anything but there is a chance NKs are ritoky + marv so make sure it's today! As for me, I'm around for a couple of hours now and then I won't be until the second half of d3 (Monday) | ||
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On July 11 2015 22:30 rsoultin wrote: yeah that reminds me that i wanted to look at scott's town games. my idea of how he plays is actually what he says in the obs qt lol >< as for kels...the difference between here and himalayas is night and day? i really liked his early game, though, so meh Yeah I can agree that he's decided to do jack shit since he got townread by everyone. He is in another game as well now though? Guess we'll see. | ||
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On July 11 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote: eh it's kind of a longshot but it's the better play to leave him alone just in case his claim is true and he can get off a check...even if we then lynch him, we can at least know the check is real? Yeah that makes sense. Scum have two roleblock targets (or three if they wanna find whoever has a gun). I'm looking forward to the flips. | ||
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On July 11 2015 22:52 Half the Sky wrote: He claimed DT, need to force him to out that second check. Also with other high profile blues and someone armed, I'm also living in a 2 RB world. This is silly. If we're in a 2 RB world then milo is town | ||
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On July 11 2015 22:55 marvellosity wrote: he could actually be cop and he could actually get a check? I SAID I MIGHT BE DUMB, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THE FOURTH PERSON TO POINT OUT WHY :'( | ||
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They're intertwined. We know that damdred roleblocked ritoky. We know that milo claimed roleblocked. Both happened night 1. This means that if there is a second roleblocker, milo is 100% town. | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:00 rsoultin wrote: you're missing that he still could have fake-claimed and then fake-claimed a roleblock lol >< even if there were another rb, cause not everyone is notified? i don't find it the moooost likely scenario with 2 mafia rb's just because of how he hard-aligned with damdred, though, which is why i thought it strange hts would think there could be 2 but didn't take it into account with her milo read Nah cause why would scum!milo fakeclaim being roleblocked when he knows that they roleblocked ritoky and X. If X is a powerrole he gets counterclaimed and lynched. | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:04 marvellosity wrote: Generally a scumplay which relies on trying to convince the thread there are 2 mafia roleblockers, which is practically unprecedented, is very strange. Yeah this is true and a decent point for milo >.< | ||
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Shocker, milo is very likely to flip scum. | ||
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As for Vivax: On July 12 2015 23:05 Vivax wrote: I wanna suggest we actually all go back and look at EoD 1 given that scum should have had quite the zero fucks attitude on who gets lynched given both wagons were towns, so my assumption is they didn't show much interest into the lynch but at the same time gave some overly complicated explanation, so that's where I'll be looking now. What do you think about this assumption? On July 13 2015 02:55 Vivax wrote: Btw I'm also onboard a Kelsier lynch. D1 his uninvolvement and jokey stuff was fine but now he's plain forgettable. So I'd lynch into those three dudes (Blueh, Scott, Kelsier) and as for milo I'll need to think harder about him. I'd be okay with a vivax lynch next. He gives out townreads like nobody's business yet has no opinion on milo who has been talked about as a lynch candidate since d1. He states scum probably didn't give a shit about the d1 lynch (convenient as he called everyone dumb for switching to BM, but did nothing to stop it), says kelsier might be scum, but somehow says his d1 is fine despite kelsier being indifferent as fuck during the last hour of d1. I'm fine with scott too. | ||
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On July 13 2015 17:09 Breshke wrote: I'm kinda sad people didn't pile up on hf because that was so fake that martying like not even alignment indicative fake I don't think town it scum hf would just let himself get lynched so I wanted to see where it went I see people are questioning their ksc reads and it's a shame he hasn't actually posted in the thread at all but I still want to and will townreads him for his early stuff felt very natural Hi Breshke. What exactly are you saying? Like I read this a couple of times and.... | ||
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On July 13 2015 17:54 Vivax wrote: So your argument is that I'm mafia cause I don't talk about popular lynch candidates and made an assumption basically nobody disagreed with to try and form some reads? Plus as town I'm somehow supposed to not give townreads? What is this trash of a post. It's only part of it, but yes. You're generally just very uninvolved, very happily being ignored by the majority of the game and how it's possible for you as town to not have some kinda thoughts on milo is beyond me. You suggested we all go back to read EOD 1 which clearly you did not do otherwise you would have pointed out that Kelsier, who you just said is your scumread, was totally indifferent around lynchtime, yet somehow you say his d1 is fine? Hence me putting the quotes back to back. Honestly I read you as scum because you simply do not care about this game, and from what I remember from town!Vivax is that he cared about the game as town. Milo is getting lynched today, yet somehow you're fine with not having a read on him just yet? Yeah right. Scummers gonna scum | ||
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On July 13 2015 18:16 Vivax wrote: Your case is tons of generic bullshit that says I didn't go look at D1 only cause I didn't look at Kelsier, who I said I was fine with at the time cause D1s don't hold much information anyway, so I'm more able to tolerate people caring less or trolling, just like I ignored Palmar. Saying I'm uninvolved is a blanket statement with no examples that's entirely false given my scum meta. I also don't see the issue with not having a definite opinion on milo, but if he ends up being mafia I'll call you out for TMI with this case. Cause he's not the only guy I didn't give a definite read on yet you treat him as something special, clearly. Also still didn't answer how me giving townreads makes me mafia. You just put it in there to add some more generic bs on the pile methinks. I do see an issue with not having a read or trying to get a read on milo, he's getting lynched today. But you don't really care. Deflecting my read as "generic statements" is ridiculous. I could easily back up my statements by filter diving you, but I cba right now. Anyway, off the top of my head: Your entry into the thread was kinda poor. It reminds me of whatever the name of that game was where I rolled scum and I showed up into the game late and felt pressured to have original thoughts so I ignored everything that had happened and just made a case on someone that no one had called scum yet. "Guys, you're all being idiots for lynching BM" during EoD1 offering no alternative and just being happy in letting it happen anyway, the exact indifference you're pointing out is scummy. Throwing out random townreads with no explanation, ignoring everything that's happening. It's just very minimal effort. It's very easy as scum to just show up, not really pay attention, look at a townie's post and call them town for it. You're completely disconnected from the game. If you wanna link some scumgames of yours I can take a look, though. You know, later. | ||
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On July 13 2015 18:34 marvellosity wrote: hello boys Hello marv. On a scale of 1/10 how sad are you MZ flipped town? I'm kinda worried, probably not needed, but I do remember you as scum doing the whole "I was wrong I'll just sheep you guys from now on" thing. have any thoughts on things? Like Vivax? | ||
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On July 13 2015 18:44 marvellosity wrote: like this? when? i'm sadder than i thought i was going to be. I've not read anything at all this phase. I'll comment on a post if you link it to me though. Hero Mini, but no not quite like you announcing IMA SHEEP NAO. Quoting posts to you so you can comment on it seems a bit like a waste of time and taking up space. I commented on Vivax a bit last page though, thoughts? | ||
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On July 13 2015 19:18 marvellosity wrote: and some townreads in who seemed to actually care about the MZ/BM thing on d1. The to-do list grows D: | ||
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On July 13 2015 20:10 Breshke wrote: Does anyone want to run me through why they think bf is town/mafia. I believe thread sentiment is town at the moment for him? Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything I like his progression regarding his read on me. | ||
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On July 13 2015 20:35 Breshke wrote: Ummm i actually don't mind this. Like i looked for this read progression and it was seriously nowhere like he scumreads you the entire game for from what i can tell is your early HF reactions but from what i can tell he flipped because of your milo case? He says you have also been reasonable but he first seems to like you because of the milo case. Im guessing the flip there is the progression you liked? Without looking into filters it's about context I think. Apparently I was scummy d1 (whatever) but he wasn't pushing it cause there were scummier people. Then n1 he kinda went for me and then after all the claims he still thought I was scum but after my milo stuff he gave me a town lean, all makes sense to me. In general I just get the impression that boxerfred is trying to find scum. | ||
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Milo Lynch Hype! | ||
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On July 14 2015 00:31 Holyflare wrote: I mean if you would all stop being lazy shits and read my filter you'd see I'm quite solidly trying to think about the game and find stuff out and not tunnelling on stupid shit Yeah but apparently you're like scumgod or something. I don't really want to lynch you today or d4 to be honest so we'll see if you're still alive d5. tick tock solve the game! | ||
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On July 14 2015 00:50 Holyflare wrote: Man i reread my own filter and I'm so town. The shitting up the thread you all keep referencing doesnt even exist because i was actually SUPER reasonable. Go take a look. | ||
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On July 14 2015 01:02 milo109 wrote: lol. HF mafia >.> On the off chance that you are town you should actually do things that people can read, after you flip. Or you can just continue claiming mafia, that's fine too. | ||
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On July 14 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote: Well when i see something outrageous i get carried away. I also don't know why you keep saying its a defence when I'm clearly trying to figure out how he can possibly think those things when it's another situation entirely. Nah you're just picking apart his shitty argument, you could just call it shit instead and then post baby seals | ||
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On July 14 2015 01:29 Holyflare wrote: Well picking apart an argument is how you play mafia.....? Wut? He's being lynched bro. Either you think he's scum and you're happy or you think he's town or you're not. If you have doubts go read his filter, at this point he's clearly given up, whatever his alignment is. | ||
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- He called you town but didn't talk about my first post calling you town - He isn't townreading oats but likes his case - He wants to lynch rsoultin without giving reasons Meh. | ||
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On July 14 2015 02:06 Holyflare wrote: You all seem to think milo is mafia regardless so you have a whole world of reads you could be talking through. Especially me. I want people to read my filter and take stances on me. That would be great instead of keeping me in their back pockets for no reason. Either way if you still want to ignore reading there's scott to talk about, vivax, obi, oats, rsoul, trfel, ebh, kelsier many many people I brought up Vivax and got literally 0 response from anyone. | ||
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On July 14 2015 02:31 Vivax wrote: Besides if I was mafia with him I'd already be bussing the shit outta him. Call it wifom if you want, you can, but it's just what I know of my own play. The clarity arguments on me made him sketchy as fuck in my book given the way he mixed stuff in it that doesn't mean anything, as if he was trying to reinforce his argument at any cost with the shittiest arguments even and that's not what I'd expect of him given I wouldn't expect him to be that tunneled on me already in that post. What things have I said that aren't true? | ||
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On July 14 2015 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote: If you guys eventually decide to lynch me go ahead. I started out this game generally not caring but now it's gone sort of beyond that, whatever that is. Not gonna make any excuses. For what it's worth I'm sorry. rip | ||
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On July 14 2015 02:51 Vivax wrote: That I have given no opinion on milo when I do it right while I give the read on Scott and a bunch of other people. Saying I did nothing about the BM lynch like I was supposed to do more than I did when it wouldn't make any sense. Saying Kelsier's D1 was "fine" as if that was a reason to townread him. I said that on D1 trolling or not doing much doesn't mean anything and the Palmar flip proves me right. Overall your entire post looks like a massive, unobjective shitflinging and it pissed me quite off. You literally said "I don't know about milo, I'll need to think more about him" 12 hours before lynchtime or whatever. OUR CURRENT LYNCH TARGET and you're in no rush to get a read on him apparently. Doing nothing about the BM lynch would be fine, I was perfectly happy switching I thought he was a better lynch at the time. However you thought the lynch was HORRIBLE and just let it happen anyway. "lol u guys are all bad lynching the claimed wanderer" followed with no alternative or caring about moving the lynch target. I'm not saying you should townread Kelsier at all (although you should). What I was saying, and this is my third time pointing it out to you, is that YOU saying his d1 was fine but he's done nothing after that, when the only scummy thing he's done AFAIK is being so indifferent during d1 lynch. Somehow you missed this but you still read him as scum. It makes no sense. | ||
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On July 14 2015 03:04 Holyflare wrote: Woah there nelly! Didn't you just accuse me of wasting my time trying to get a read on milo? Vivax is actually capable of forming coherent sentences and responding though | ||
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On July 14 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote: Maybe you should read the quotes in my profile then. LOL. Anyway.. You can say "I play the game my way and I don't care about anything else" all you want, but are you actually saying you don't really care if milo gets lynched, regardless of his alignment? You totally lost me. | ||
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So I imagine you wanna lynch WoS still? Maybe hold out to see if he gets modkilled first? | ||
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I'm gonna be so sad if milo flips town. | ||
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On July 14 2015 03:40 boxerfred wrote: ##vote Milo109 did kelsier show up by now? also i'm here for the rest of the evening. Yeah someone asked if kelsier not doing shit made him scum and kelsier posted On July 13 2015 19:47 KelsierSC wrote: no And that's about it. | ||
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What is going on this game, you can't all be scum :'( | ||
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We'll see bro. If you're scum it's fine you kinda stood no chance after you reacted so poorly to Damdred's JK claim, however if you're town you should feel kinda bad about just rolling over and dying without even leaving reads. And no I don't mean your "hurr durr here's 5 names lynch these people". Also the fact that I am on it. | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:52 marvellosity wrote: uh it's a lean rather than a fullblown read. i dunno how to explain very well, i'll dig some posts up at work tomorrow if you remind me. now's not a good time ;p it's kinda the way he flits about when he's in the thread doing things. like i say i'll try show some posts in his filter tomorrow. It's a date xoxo | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:57 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: I feel bad for milo if he flips town as he simply got BH'd if you look at it objectively. He's a newer player and going back and analyzing the situation when you factor in that MZ flipped town he's being killed for very stringent reasons and mostly the "lol no double mafia RB that's too weird!!" Although I have no idea how I could go about changing this lynch when I'm apparently not in good standing with the town so that's life. Honestly it's not about that for me. It helps that 2 RB is unlikely, but it's not why I think he's scum. His defense of damdred made 0 sense if he is cop, his whole thought process post JK claim is bad. Then after we pile up on damdred he gives up and does nothing for 72 hours and here we are. I would not blame the setup if milo flips town, I would blame milo. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:10 milo109 wrote: My defense of Damdred was fine, because I didn't think that it was a world of two RBs either. Perhaps I should have fought a little harder these last few days, but I refuse to believe it would have made a difference. If that were true you would have called ritoky scum the moment he claimed RB. Checkmate atheists | ||
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What did poor harkon do? He took a bullet, man. | ||
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That feels bad man, I'd like to think I pushed milo quite hard d2. Can you at least blame me a little bit?!? | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:21 marvellosity wrote: i have a bad feeling about this xD 2 roleblockers tho :/ Me too but I'd rather get it over with than doing a last minute switch and lynching him tomorrow. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:26 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly if Milo flips town I will double facepalm about the balance of this setup. I mean I'm no expert, plus there might be unclaimed roles, but BH is good about setups and the like. It's all a moot point, let's just wait for whatever he flips and then kill the rest of the mafia. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:33 Blazinghand wrote: This kind of name-calling is inappropriate. You were warned (link) previously. I've explicitly told you and the thread to stop this kind of behavior, but it seems that warnings are not enough. Harkon is hereby modkilled and will flip with the night post. Harkon, stop posting. There will be no more warnings for anyone for this kind of behavior. For the rest of the game, anyone who posts anything that would get them in trouble on elsewhere on TL will get modkilled with no warnings. What? It wasn't even meant in an offensive way if you look at the context :S | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:41 Holyflare wrote: Jat was just held up on the fact that i dislike how he doesn't play this game. Guess that's mafia jat gone then! What? | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:43 Holyflare wrote: Totally obvious he fake claimed vet to bus the already gone damdred and get mad town credit. No? Why is this suddenly obvious? | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:47 Holyflare wrote: Wow you people are seriously gullible lol If Harkon flips scum I kinda feel bad for both of you. I do think he's gonna flip vet, but I never eliminated the possibility. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:49 milo109 wrote: If they both flip scum, I totally think you're mafia. I won't be here but.. remember. LOL Fuck you're gonna flip cop. This game is so fucked. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:54 Holyflare wrote: Scum slipped how LOL hahaha Harkon gets modkilled and you immediately call him scum when I'm pretty sure you've just been working under the assumption that he's vet the entire game?? | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:57 Holyflare wrote: Yeh i somehow missed that it said his alignment wouldn't be said till night and i wouldn't appeal it in the qt and i just oited my team mate while simultaneously saying bh can rescind the modkill Ok clarity :D Whoooooosh Like I said I expect harkon to flip vet but if he doesn't I don't see how you're town. We'll find out in 6 minutes. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:59 Half the Sky wrote: You have a point. If I shot Holyflare and if he flipped town, it would have been me on the chopping block tonight instead so, in any case another mislynch. Your shot was good, don't be too results oriented :p | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:00 Half the Sky wrote: If Milo is DT we are in serious trouble. No wait, we are in serious trouble regardless. Honestly where do we go from here? We'll see in about 4 minutes. | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: Yay my mafia buddy survived! LOL Honestly though can you blame me? There was no hint at sarcasm/being funny at all in your post. | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:05 boxerfred wrote: okay top lynch list is easily HF + harkon now No Harkon is still very likely vet. | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: BTW if the game doesn't end at the night: We lynch Scott. TMI'd about stuff throughout the game and gave poor explanations for his thoughts. 14 town 4 scum, how on earth could it end? | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:12 Harkon wrote: No matter how I look at it this setup seems really really questionable balancewise with 2 roleblockers. Maybe we are lucky and there is still a good role out there. Honestly imagine scum has 2 RB and town has 2 cops and a 2shot gunsmith. There's 25 people in the game. The cops aren't supposed to both claim d1. It doesn't sound so bad. | ||
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On July 14 2015 18:52 marvellosity wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=320#6390 the spoilered is getting pretty close to correct application of DMA Rsoultin basically said the same thing about trfel earlier in the game, do you think that makes her town as well? I do agree on trfel, for what it's worth. Seems a bit unethical to mention outside of the game interaction but w/e. Going back through rsoultin's post I'm rather confident that she's town now. + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote: okay ruxxar. i've explained it all, but not concisely and not politely because i'm not polite but i'll do it solely to have it in one place and to say this is the last time i am going to discuss my trfel toneread or my interactions/read on hf, whether you keep ignoring that and tunneling with the same points or not reasons i'm tonereading truffle town: lightness with me (i catch him as mafia early, see student v where i opened with pressure on truffle for his weird read on ls, and greymist's game), joking that matches his dry humor, grumbling at me for saying i thought he was town (look at it this way: as scum he should be happy that he gets an rsoul townread and finally broke my streak...as town it makes a lot more sense to be irritated that i'm still getting a read off him off very few posts), and yes, not wanting to give an opinion on something he hasn't looked at is actually towny cause truffle holds himself to ridiculously high standards and spends an inordinate amount of time combing through posts before coming to a decision <- all of these things are very personal that i realize other people don't know about him and mean more to me than others, so i didn't go into it, just as i didn't go into it with my early toneread on damdy in himalayas the first exchange with hf: you're misrepresenting/misreading it. when hf first said he didn't need my opinion i let it go. i was actually discussing things with bresh and truffle when hf said "see, this post means his question to you wasn't trying to determine your alignment"...to which i responded that i didn't think that was the purpose of the question anyway and made a joke about hf forgetting how stubborn i was...he then basically told me to shut up and go into a corner and color, so yeah, i got pissed at him. i actually broke it off BEFORE the mod ever intervened, which frankly was probably for the post hf made right before the mod post...because that was ad hominem to a tee, basically saying no one gives a shit what i say because of my tonereads subsequently: i came back to the thread scumreading hf because i'd had time to cool down and where he said he was questioning truffle, he actually was saying, and yes i'm paraphrasing "you're scum cause you have mafiaitis. nothing you can say or do will change my mind. you may as well give up". plus the way he just threw shit at me when i wasn't doing anything. usually we only shitfight when he's scum, and i JUST came off a game where he and bugs did that to deliberately put me on tilt cause i'm fiery -_- i kept trying to get people to see what i was seeing and he kept on trying to say i was defending truffle and everyone else was taking that up, and it was supremely frustrating that people kept not understanding what i was trying to say...that hf never intended to get a read off truffle in the first place that continued with ignoring the fact that truffle was quizzing ls between the time of his townread and scumread on ls and had said he was writing something on him, instead just going hey! look! nothing has happened between these reads! me saying he's not reading was his clue to go back and read. hts did it. she saw it. hf should have. he preferred to fight me instead the only reason i left off hf was his point on truffle's case all coming from before he dropped the townread was actually good. i even tried to explain what my issue with him was more concisely, which works better when i'm not angry. it's still weird to me that he thinks telling someone they're scum and he won't ever change his mind is pressure, but i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment since yeah, even if he's scum not gonna lynch him d1 like ever >< was more productive to discuss reads but here i come back to the thread and he's back to jumping on me for nitnoidisms as for you, you're just parroting him like you two are butt buddies, and it feels a lot like being double-teamed...deja vu bugs and hf...plus i KNOW that you've seen i do this toneread thing and am willing to fight for it regardless if the so-called "evidence" when it comes to an actual lynch; see: GB, so why you find it so weird i'm doing it again this game i can't fathom most of this i've already said now i will ignore you unless you talk about something else or are actually willing to talk reads instead of whining about me being pissed at your misrepresentation and inattentiveness was that polite enough? 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On July 14 2015 22:42 Holyflare wrote: It's a good thing kelsier flipped mafia though that makes things easier IM NOT FALLING FOR THIS AGAIN ((( | ||
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On July 14 2015 23:56 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly a scott shot wont really tell us much I think. Yeah, although I don't like a WoS shot I actually think he's town and there's a decent chance he's getting modkilled either way. I don't like host wifom but it's necesarry I think. Maybe EBH isn't such a bad shot after all. Like I think he kinda looks town but I don't have much exp with VA (vayneauthority?) played with him once but that was in a huge greymist game. Others seem to think if EBH is VA then he could definitely play this way as scum, and I'm willing to sheep that. | ||
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On July 15 2015 00:03 ruXxar wrote: what is DMA? Dick move analysis | ||
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From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town? | ||
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On July 15 2015 00:16 Holyflare wrote: You should 100% just be shooting shitty lurkers who could be mafia and are wasting people's time with discussing them. If you think you should be shooting into me/rsoul/ruxx you're also just bad at the game. At least if you are thinking that you should save your shot since we get 3 flips anyway tonight. HF, if you had a gun who would you shoot? I agree that rsoul/ruxx and you are all bad shots. | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:11 boxerfred wrote: Well if we're at it, I can join in: 1) Marvellosity (filter) - town but nothing happened last day to strengthen it 2) Scott31337 (filter) - null/scum lean 3) WaveofShadow (filter) - scum lean 4) Clarity_nl (filter) - by now, town lean 5) ruXxar (filter) - scum lean 6) Vivax (filter) - no idea 10) boxerfred (filter) - town 12) Trfel (filter) - lots of efforts lately, i like that, willing to lean town 13) LightningStrike (filter) - null 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - null 18) Breshke (filter) - town lean 19) Oatsmaster (filter) - null with a scum tendency 21) rsoultin (filter) - null 22) Half The Sky (filter) - null with a scum lean 23) Harkon (filter) - town for that vet claim 24) Holyflare (filter) - strongest scum lean, would lynch 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - null Totally fine with a HF lynch, the rest is rather hard. still saying HF better get shot this night. I'm struggling to find more than two scummy people, how do you have 6 scum leans? | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:18 Half the Sky wrote: Some of the more divergent reads I can understand from BF. He's been fear reading me the whole game for instance and he doesn't know or wouldn't know WoS's play. But how does he think LS is null when KP's verified that there is a gunsmith? He'd have to believe that LS and I are on a scumteam together for one thing and that the real gunsmith didn't claim....I mean, someone grab the tinfoil hat please.... As much as I want to kill him scum for that horrendous list, I think it's more likely bad town. Like how does scum post that list? I had a townread on him prior to the list so... guess I'll stick to it. List is terrible tho. | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:59 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: my updated reads list is tier 1 mafia - Kelsier, OWS Tier 2 - tier 3 - Scott, one of rsoultin/HF, Breshke If we are to assume people are starting to pretty much mass jumble the low page filters together, it was only after I saw scott's name being thrown around that my name was subsequently brought up as a replacement. He has quickly been brought into my scum list due to this. Rest ive already talked about, backed off breshke but havent interacted with him since so its pretty old sitting there I expect kelsier to flip mafia So you're saying people are directing the lynch away from scott because he is scum, this means some of the people who mentioned you as an alternative are scum, who are they? | ||
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I know you've already announced you can't be bothered, but do you plan on being useful at any point this game? | ||
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On July 15 2015 02:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why did you even bother signing up if you're not going to play? I'm hardly even enjoying this game and I'm still sticking it out. Why are you not enjoying the game? Too big? | ||
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On July 15 2015 03:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You might want to get that out before the end of tonight because I'm shooting you. Do you know why this is funny? | ||
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marv - marv seems happy and is very involved. He's changing his mind based on new or missed info and seems to want to solve the game. He's playing the "woe is me I don't know who scum is" card a bit too much but I think it's fine. If you end up with marv at 3-man or 5-man lylo he's probably scum, since I think his scum game is good (regardless of what others say) but until then DO NOT LYNCH HF - Honestly I don't see what other people are mentioning. HF is obviously very involved and he brings up unique points. He's gotten emotional a fair few times which is an easy way for scum to get ignored but it's offset by how useful he's been, interacting with everyone etc. Same as with marv maybe once you get to lylo take another look but I'm pretty confident he's town. I also liked his push on OWS n3. DO NOT LYNCH Harkon - The possibility exists that scum shot marv n1 and harkon is scum claiming vet, but honestly I doubt it. His posts have been townie and good, he can't really expect to claim vet and then survive at lylo, but if he does then reconsider. Until then DO NOT LYNCH. LS - Confirmed gunsmith, worst claim ever. ritoky - Confirmed cop, also a pretty terrible claim. HtS - I've really liked her posting after d1, she's claimed miller early and she's changing her mind A LOT but always for good reasons, which I think is hard to fake as scum. Trfel - I think I agree with DMA. Would be pretty low for scum!trfel to go to such lengths as to use his irl situation to avoid being lynched. Other than that it's hard to tell by his posting, but I think he's likely town. Rsoultin - I've waffled on Rsoultin quite a bit but in rereading she is making good points and her progression seems clear. I also think that scum!rsoultin wouldn't hint at trfel's irl situation regardless of trfel's alignment. Oats - I really don't like Oats' style of posting and I wanted to shoot him n1 but he kinda clings onto stuff that I notice as well and I like his follow-up to stuff. He's been consistent and he's pushing the right people. boxerfred - His list really was bad, even ignoring the fact that he didn't have LS as confirmed town his scumreads just do not line up with mine AT ALL, and he somehow had 6 people leaning scum when I have a real issue finding scum this game. I have a real issue seeing this post from either alignment however all his other posts seem to be of someone trying to figure out the game, so I guess he's town. ruXxar - I honestly can't be bothered to read his stuff today, but my impression regarding him has always been "meh". I expect to live tonight so I'll do some reading tomorrow. Vivax - Ehhhhhhhhh. I dunno, basically. I thought his indifference towards the milo lynch was super scummy but I liked his responses to my accusations sooooo... Hopefully he starts being super plumber soon and we can find out his alignment through that. Marv seems to think he's town. EBH/VA - Hard to read into his posts. His defensiveness during n3 looks off. Basically he immediately said "this makes scott scum so people pushing me are scum" but then when asked he didn't really know who said what??? I have a hard time believing scum would bluehunt in thread rather than scumqt, but then again town shouldn't either soooooooo... NAI? He seems to have a lot of opinions but doesn't really care if anyone listens or who gets lynched. I think he's a good vigi shot, but lynching him can't be bad. OWS - Very forgettable posting, doesn't really seem to care about who gets lynched, I've liked HF's posts on his n3. He has a lot of "I agree with this post I just quoted" posts while adding nothing, He went super hard for MZ but only after marv mentioned that he thinks MZ is scum. The only thing I've liked from him is his push on scott but scott does kinda look like lynchbait.. Breshke - I've read him as town based on his d1 for most of the game but I cannot recall a single thing he's done or said since then. In looking through his filter he immediately sheeped my post regarding milo and claimed that lynching damdred over milo would be bad even if damdred is RB, seems like a weird kind of logic to take. Scum obviously would love a milo lynch over damdred even if damdred is afterwards. He complains about the HF/milo interaction which I get, but then he calls milo confirmed scum which I do not. He showed no hesitation towards the end of d3 which I think makes him scum as milo started looking really townie near the end. Scott - Super lynchbait. Whether he's playing badly as scum or badly as town is hard to see, but I keep coming back to this "BM is gonna flip wanderer 98% of the time" post and I just can't explain how that would come from town. I guess I like him being shot more than lynching him, but if he's town scum is never gonna kill him and I don't want him around at lylo, lol. WoS - I don't know dude. I am probably wrong about at least 1 town read, unless everyone who I have a scumlean on is scum. | ||
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On July 15 2015 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Whatever, I'm still shooting Holyflare. I mean there's a lot of things I'm struggling to believe. However let's just make the assumptions that: - You are town - LS gave you a gun You better be DAMN SURE that HF is scum, because if there's 4 flips and he flips town and LS confirms he gave you a gun you WILL be lynched. I kinda agree with HF that we shouldn't shoot HF (lol), if whoever has a gun really wants to shoot HF and does not expect to die tonight they should not shoot anyone. Although that's still worse than just shooting scumlurkers. On July 15 2015 04:33 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: 99 % he gave hts again I can't imagine the amount of leveling that's going on here, or not, but why would you ever post this? | ||
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On July 15 2015 04:57 marvellosity wrote: i would say it was odd how you kept interacting with milo, but i didn't really participate in the lynch so i'm not really sure if it was or not It was. But I kinda buy the "just giving him a chance to actually look like town" argument. The entire time HF thought rsoultin was scum he did the same with her, so it's whatever. | ||
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On July 15 2015 04:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Clarity, I literally cannot be fucked listening to a person who doesn't read the thread. Don't even waste my time if you're going to call Hf town for reasons that you full-well know don't exist. Okay. Well you can just go and die then. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:09 Harkon wrote: Why are people speculating about who got the gun when scum has a rb? Use your brain. Also more confident in HF being scum again - his recent posting is terrible. I mean, I have an open mind, why exactly? | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:30 Harkon wrote: Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense. I'm trying to follow. I've liked HF's push on OWS but I don't have any meta on either player, You're saying HF is scum for pushing OWS for the wrong reasons? | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:36 Harkon wrote: Yes. He is pushing OWS for reasons that HF knows aren't true. If I had to decide I would say Obi is town btw. I just don't want to. Deadline is soon, I expect you to die tonight, doubly so if HF is scum. My strong townread is calling my other strong townread scum sooooo I'd like you to try and convince me. Seriously though I think HF is totes town. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:44 Harkon wrote: I can't convince you anyways because no matter how many things are brought up against HF you will keep calling him town for things that don't make him town. That's just ridiculous. I'm clearly giving you the time of day, you seem really convinced that he's scum and it worries me for a number of reasons. Obviously at some point later on if HF and myself are both still alive I will ahve to read into his meta, and I'd like to be able to look back and see what you're seeing. You could always NOT try to convince me, but that's just dumb. | ||
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That said there are better shots and I think it's rather likely that HF will flip town. But two "confirmed" townies are saying he's scum, shrug. Mafia is hard. I wish marv would say something so I could sheep it. | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:17 Harkon wrote: Well, marv is not calling HF town if that is what you are looking for. marv has very consistently avoided giving him a read, I'm aware of this. | ||
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Let's see where we are at after the flips. I promise to keep an open mind | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:28 boxerfred wrote: if marv doesn't die this night he's probably scum, yes? Nah. There's a lot of good targets for scum. Like I expect him to die but he might not. | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:40 rsoultin wrote: @.@ - va - ows shitfight lol >< i just wasted like 45 mins of my life i think of those two i think va's the better shot and i don't know why people are calling for an hf shot, other than he's being an annoying prat and they're afraid we can't lynch him later if needed lol >< (which may actually be a valid point but i'm willing to be optimistic) Hello rsoultin. Anything in my list post that you disagree with? | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:56 rsoultin wrote: calm down lol >< if there's one thing people usually don't accuse me of, it's blindly sheeping cases. even if a case looks good, that doesn't mean it's accurate, and hf has a habit (kind of as both alignments, really) of exaggerating so yeah yo, clarity, hf's filter in himalayas is a good example of his scum game. it's certainly the most recent. ippo is another good one. that might help you understand what people are saying. both games are linked in my profile Thanks. I will take a look at some point. | ||
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On July 15 2015 07:18 LightningStrike wrote: BTW Clarity had you checked HF's last two scum games which rsoultin told you should check? No dude, that was like 15 min ago or something. I will at some point. | ||
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On July 15 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote: if you can't tell i'm majorly on tilt this entire game so provoking me or poking me or treating me in any way that makes me non productive will instantly flip me to being a negative ass hole all i wanted to do was give you guys my read on obi and have fun -.- so i'll just afk and you can lynch me Yeah, k. ##Vote Holyflare Fuck you and your martyring. | ||
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On July 15 2015 07:29 Holyflare wrote: have you ever been angry at something? i couldn't give a shit if people scum read me that's none of the reasons i'm angry, people are just ignoring what i say and i'm already angry so it's a bad mix i post 1 read and look how many people came out of the wood work and completely ignored it jat was bad and bypassed all the logic and called me mafia, ls is basically confirmed town and plays like crap and says i'm mafia and never comments on my obi posts at all and says we should 100% shoot me and wastes his time looking up a post that doesn't even make sense from himalayas, boxerfred all he has done for 3 cycles is intentionally call me mafia to antagonise me for being right on milo and saying that people who shoot me are mafia? ok bf only clarity gives a shit and at the end of the day he's probably going to end up mafia with ruxxar for the 2 people in this game that town read me while nobody else see's it anger has no logic and i don't really care just lynch me and be done with it and realise that people's intent to policy and play like crap is far greater than their need to ever treat another player like they are wrong and to maybe change their read and sure it's hypocritical when i've called you mafia all game but i was already mad then and will continue to be mad so it's best to get rid of me and i will no longer post a single thing this phase and it's probably my last mafia game too so, yay! I don't understand what the big deal is. People argue when they play mafia, people get upset, get over it? Every time someone even mentions the possibility of you being scum you turn into a whiny baby. >.< If you don't do anything this game I will lynch you and it will be for policy reasons and you will only have yourself to blame. | ||
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On July 15 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote: Also don't you guys find it odd that I wasn't NK'd and yet Marv did? I'm going to be honest with you LS. I think despite being confirmed town you haven't done much for town. I don't say this to discourage you. Marv on the other hand was townread quite widely and has a better chance of solving the game. | ||
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On July 15 2015 08:59 boxerfred wrote: EBWOP regarding clarity: I moved from scum read to town lean, now I find this "fuck you" strange. Not enough for a scum lead but really irritating. Still willing to town lean. Shrug. If HF is just gonna martyr then I'll let him, it's a policy lynch, nothing more to say. What do you make of this? | ||
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On July 15 2015 09:16 rsoultin wrote: in all honesty, i'm actually fairly irritated at hf if this is true, because he could have just mentioned it much earlier. it would have still been nai, but a huge portion of my read was how friggin aggressive and volatile he was being toward everyone, so we maybe could have actually adjusted to it if he was town and, which in turn would probably have made reading him infinitely easier. water under the bridge, i suppose -_- if he insists on not playing it's a policy lynch today, no question Kinda where I'm at. I'm gonna be real sad if you're scum, rsoultin. | ||
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On July 15 2015 09:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Am I missing something? Why is HF martyring? Only like 3 people are calling him mafia. No, that's pretty much it. | ||
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On July 15 2015 09:30 boxerfred wrote: I had the same thought initially. But he was really dedicated, even trying to pull that mason stuff. Given that a lot of players were still alive, given that Damdred would've tried to cause as much confusion as possible, wouldn't it be great to list only townies, even if only to derail efforts? That's what makes me think this is like the one possible thing we can read from this post. The mason stuff was him claiming scum, I would ignore everything after that point. If HF doesn't attempt to play this cycle then I'll stick to his lynch, but I hope he does. If HF flips scum then I find it unlikely that OWS is scum simply because OWS wasn't really being scumread much (except for EBH) so HF had no real reason to push him, disassociation doesn't seem like a valid reason. Anyway HF flip will shed some light on OWS so I'm not gonna bother with that right now. EBH is screaming "look guys I'm town because I was right on kelsier" which is odd to me. Like he's not bragging that he's a better player, he's saying he "shouldn't be scumread". Not sure if I can read too much into that though. | ||
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I don't like ruxxar's latest posts at all and I've just gone through his filter and it's just a ton of questions and he never really reaches any conclusions, his latest posts have all been "look at how much work I'm doing!!!!" without actually concluding anything. | ||
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On July 16 2015 04:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Honestly I feel like the thread is too stagnant for this to be a 100% mafia lynch. I keep looking for reasons to not jump on this lynch but I can't find any aside from that. So I'm thinking I look for mafia outside of this lynch or in the people that are jumping on it. I can't find any. Bleh. What's your read on Breshke? | ||
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On July 16 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: wondering why hf is so silent, and wtf what are you basing your scum read on me ows Because he said "I'm not longer posting, just lynch me". Pay attention. | ||
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On July 16 2015 06:31 boxerfred wrote: EBH's filter is decent but short as fuck. I actually like it. I'm not voting him today. Another thought that came to my mind: We had 3 NK's this night, all on town: Marvellosity the DLME Investigator has been killed! Scott31337 the DLME Investigator has been killed! Harkon the Lieutenant has been killed! I assume that the Harkon shot came from scum. Pretty much confirmed blue. How many shots can scum pull off with 2 members left? MOD QUESTION: Was Kelsier able to submit a night action? Was that night action executed or was it nullified since he was killed before EoN? Then, I assume that someone who was handed a gun by LightningStrike shot. Most likely, the target was scott because he was scumread quite heavily. The other kill would've been a scum kill on marv then. What is the thought process between killing marv and not LightningStrike? Recognizing him as an experienced player who's capable of finding scum? I'd say HtS and HF could think that way. Since the gun LS handed out was a 1-shot, I think it's safe for him to say who he gave the gun to. Also, I want the gun bearer to tell who he shot and why. That would make it clearer which targets where shot by scum and it would confirm two people as town. Or, LS + the one who claims having received the gun are the last two scum members. That is only possible if there is another blue that is able to shoot in the game. At this point, we have 5 dead blues and 1 more claimed blue, LS. That makes six blues vs. four reds. I lack experience in that game so please tell me, is that a valid and balanced setup that is likely to be used by Blazinghand? Okay, so tl;dr: LS, who received the gun? Confirm one more townie please. Guy with gun, tell us who you shot. Also, is 6 blues vs. 4 reds okay and a "normal" setup? Read the OP. Read the thread. Just read all the things. LS said he gave a gun to marv, scum quite clearly did not shoot scott, there are 5 scum in the game. And yes, night actions go through even when you die the same night. | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:29 Blazinghand wrote: Player List 1) 2) 3) WaveofShadow (filter) 4) Clarity_nl (filter) 5) ruXxar (filter) 6) Vivax (filter) 7) 8) 9) 10) boxerfred (filter) 11) 12) Trfel (filter) 13) LightningStrike (filter) 14) 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) 16) 17) 18) Breshke (filter) 19) Oatsmaster (filter) 20) 21) rsoultin (filter) 22) Half The Sky (filter) 23) 24) Holyflare (filter) 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) Replacement List 1) GlowingBear 2) 3) 4) 5) 11 of 20 Working with DMLE Precinct 16 Remaining 3 of 5 Obstructors of Justice Remaining + Show Spoiler [flips] + Damdred (filter) False Lead Lynched D2 | ||
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On July 16 2015 06:58 rsoultin wrote: if you're talking about "dumbtells", he's making them up the ying-yang...i maybe could get behind that. but i guess it depends on why he's pushing this line of thinking I don't think bf, who is in no danger to get lynched would go "hurr do how many scum are there" as scum to get some kinda wifom towncred. The much simpler explanation is that he just can't read and he's town The problem I have with this game is that if either you or hts is scum you're not gonna get caught cause you're like the only reasonable people that post consistently, and it's very easy to be reasonable when town is flailing. Btw LS is gunsmith there's like 0% that he's not, he gave a gun to hts and hts confirmed it. So even if hts is scum and shot MZ that doesn't make LS any less confirmed town. | ||
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I've reread EBH and despite all the "woe is me, nobody listen" I do have a townlean on him now. Harkon and marv both thought vivax was town (or had a townlean) so I guess I'm keeping that.. I don't see what HtS is talking about in regards to breshke, he looks like someone who has a decent chance of flipping scum to me. I can't wrap my head around ruxxar, but I'd be up for lynching him at some point. | ||
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On July 16 2015 07:07 Trfel wrote: But boxerfred played his first newbie game as scum by pretending to be really dumb the whole game, no? I don't think that his not knowing how many mafia there are is alignment indicative. Well if he really doesn't know how many mafia there are then that IS alignment indicative. So if he is scum that means he is faking this whole thing, does it look like he's faking to you? | ||
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But hey if you're going to make a case, good for you. | ||
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On July 16 2015 07:36 Holyflare wrote: Your whole "fuck you holyflare" was totally blown out of proportion and silly, you are complaining that nothing is happening "because of hf" yet you aren't actively trying to do anything yourself. You have silly impossible town reads on people (me) while people are constantly telling you otherwise, in fact JAT told you that my scum read on Obi was entirely fictitious and you didn't bat an eyelid and still called me towny. You keep saying i'm town based on nothing and won't ever look at my mafia games to tell you otherwise and are constantly saying you'll check but never do. You have a lot of questions and stuff saying "gj" but not much content yourself other than little side remarks on people. Despite JAT saying my read on Obi was fictitious and HtS telling you otherwise you still made a scenario where you would base your read on Obi on my flip. That is both irrational and silly (scummy) because you can just go "oh look what hf said must be true let's lynch obi!" A lot of your play has been similar to all the things I have just mentioned. I was gonna do work but then you martyred so now I'm just policy lynching you. Are you gonna play? There's plenty of time still. JAT said the case was wrong but I disagree *shrug* | ||
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On July 16 2015 07:09 Clarity_nl wrote: But I guess being negative doesn't do anything. I've reread EBH and despite all the "woe is me, nobody listen" I do have a townlean on him now. Harkon and marv both thought vivax was town (or had a townlean) so I guess I'm keeping that.. I don't see what HtS is talking about in regards to breshke, he looks like someone who has a decent chance of flipping scum to me. I can't wrap my head around ruxxar, but I'd be up for lynching him at some point. Like it's low effort but it's effort. Your martyring really made me stop caring all that much about the game. | ||
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A couple of thoughts: I can't explain my townread on your properly by quoting a bunch of posts. It's combination of having the same thoughts as you, liking your approaches to things (even your screaming at rsoulting for getting in the way of your scumhunting) and general tone. Part of your push on OWS relied on meta, part of it didn't. The thing made sense as a whole to me. I have since eased up on OWS and prefer a breshke lynch, but I'm perfectly fine with lynching you at this point. I simply do not have the energy to go read an entire different game that I haven't played in for meta purposes unless I absolutely have to, it's hard enough keeping up with a game that's going on in real time, I've tried reading games that have finished on multiple occasions and it's just not the same, reading filters ignores all context which leads to bad conclusions. | ||
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On July 16 2015 08:07 Half the Sky wrote: I just find it really poor that people are clamouring to policy vote HF today when another nightfall would reveal what is going on... I mean it appears he's somewhat playing. I'll reconsider in the morning. Please read up on breshke, his filter isn't that long. | ||
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Decisions decisions. Oh btw if you flip scum now I will entertain the thought that you're bussing OWS. | ||
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However I struggle to see how he martyrs, and then when he comes back he 180s on me. Like he goes from "clarity's thoughts align with mine, sheep him when I'm dead" to "clarity confirmed scum for believing in my OWS push and never wavering in his townread of me" when I did in fact waver quite a bit, I gave harkon plenty of opportunity to explain to me why he thinks HF is scum and I was going to read up on HF, however HF martyrs and suddenly I just don't give a shit. I was dreading having to go through HF's meta of games I wasn't in but I would have done it, but this is just dumb. HF by the time you started getting milo to talk I was convinced he was scum, he had practically given up and was not trying to defend himself nor was he scumhunting. I believed in my case and all my townreads were calling him scum. Only in the last hour or two did he start sounding like town but I think that's the easiest bit to fake "woe is me I'm so sorry guys I should have played better" I have not been disruptive at all so you are clearly misrepresenting me. | ||
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On July 16 2015 22:35 Holyflare wrote: I'm sorry how is this timely? What use is scum reading the person who was hard defending me? Do you even think about what you write before you post it? I was in a dark tunnel of shit and now I'm out of it and have a good idea about the game. If you had thought it made me scum you would have brought it up earlier? Not wait till you're the main wagon and then go "btw clarity scum" I wasn't hard defending you I let people attack you as much as they wanted. Bringing up your own meta to astonishing detail is not actually helping you. The moment you identify your own meta is the moment you can break it and then claim "look I can't be scum because X". You've brought up your own meta so often this game and you've even shown that you have read your own filter multiple times this game. I was willing to scratch that off as just having a massive head but now I think it's because you're scum trying to keep your story straight. You just look like you're flailing now. Like you definitely could still be town (hedge hedge) but the chance of you being scum has gone up a ton. Combine the things that I said with harkon being convinced you're scum and marv not giving a read on you when he's normally super chatty about whatever (which means he's unsure) and I'm liking this lynch. | ||
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As town however you would have brought it up much earlier if you truly believed it made me scum, because as town you don't give a shit if someone is townreading you or not, you give a shit if they are scum. If you thought I was scum you would have brought it up, so the 180 makes no sense from a town perspective. | ||
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On July 16 2015 22:45 Holyflare wrote: Uh the only time i bring up my own meta is when people say i only do x as scum and i show them i do it as town too. It's hardly a defence to say something is shit and wrong meta especially when it's their sole reason for reading me as mafia. I like how you ignore the last sentence though. I simply was in no position to think clearly about the game and now i am. This is the most bull shit opportune vote of the century though. I stake my reputation on you being mafia. Have fun after my flip because people will 100% afk sheep me. I have no reason to believe or disbelieve it, so I'm simply choosing to ignore it. You were playing the game just fine prior to today. | ||
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On July 16 2015 22:47 Holyflare wrote: Somehow the hard town read turned into a spite vote which turned into a solid mafia read all while all i did was post content that clarity liked! You guys be the judge It's not a solid mafia read, but I'm fine with your lynch now, make of that what you will. I've given my reasons. If you are town reread me and make damn sure you're happy with your scumread because if you're town then you are losing us the game. | ||
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On July 16 2015 22:52 Holyflare wrote: Actually I'm not losing anyone the game. Why does me being wrong on you change a read? I think my reasons are entirely legitimate and besides that why would it matter anyway? I've just posted my thoughts all cycle and you have said nothing about any of it other than it could be a bus. Ok clarity mr not do anything for 3 solid lynches and blames the guy actually giving solid reasoning for his reads. This is true, but it doesn't mean anything. And yes you are losing the game if you're town and you somehow convince people to lynch me after you. Suddenly I've done nothing all game? I guess our reads n3 just lined up by sheer luck, seeing as you told people to sheep me after you got lynched? | ||
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But you know what, yes my vote on you started mainly as just anger at your martyring for no reason, I'm still kinda angry at you. So I'm gonna take a break now and reread some stuff and see if I can change my mind. fwiw I think your 180 on me has decent reasoning, but the timing is super suspect. The fact that you're playing on my emotions more than my rational thoughts actually makes it more likely you're scum I think. | ||
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On July 16 2015 23:03 Breshke wrote: Rsoul I think it is unfair to say HF has been shitting up the thread since he came back from his most recent matry i agree he has been fairly resonable like at least towards me the way he dissasembled my attempt at POE was rather useful and he was the only person to actually like interact with me about that. Im not saying it makes him town because he would probably do that as mafia aswell because i dont see how he would think coming back to the thread and shitting it up would help him if he was mafia at this stage. Also HF i really think rsoul is town like i know it was ages ago but i really feel like that read I gave on her was legit and the like one thing this game i feel really confident about other than HTS being town. It is really strange obi just left like that IDK i get if he is town where the frustration comes from but i don't get why it was so intense so fast. urghh i don't even know if i want to lynch clarity there is seriously like noone i have strong feelings about lynching cant we just kill wos he will probs get modkilled anyway No, that's a terrible idea. | ||
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On July 16 2015 23:15 boxerfred wrote: Im considering unvoting hf And who is your alternative? | ||
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On July 16 2015 23:23 boxerfred wrote: My reasoning behind voting hf was sheeping ls and the idea of high risk high reward. Not lynching him since by now i feel like there is too much new information to work with, also due to hfs posts over the day. However it he flips scum in a Situation where i unvoted him ill probably be lynched next day. So i actually Think im gonna trust and even sheep hin. Off to the voting thread it goes. I committed now, lets see it it changes anything for good. Okay so, first off, I would stay clear of sheeping LS ever. Second, you shouldn't be doing or not doing things because you fear you might look like scum, unless you know, you're scum. Third, Let's just assume you aren't made of paper-mache, who do you want to lynch instead? | ||
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And you think WoS is scum for being completely afk, because only scum would do that? And you're okay with my lynch becauseeee? | ||
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Me trfel WoS rsoultin HtS You think there's 3 scum in these 5 people? | ||
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On July 16 2015 23:35 boxerfred wrote: Whoa clarity youre annoying with your wuestions that dont have a point. Ill Do What you do, which is saying "take it or leave it " I'm pointing out how all the things you're saying are baseless, that's my point. Explain why you're okay with lynching me. | ||
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On July 16 2015 23:38 boxerfred wrote: Its so fun how you interpret a "im fine with a lynch " as a "Top scumread hang the guy ". Hit a nerve? Yes. You hit a nerve. So you're saying you are okay with my lynch but you have no reason? On July 16 2015 23:33 Clarity_nl wrote: So you think trfel is scum for voting for confirmed town, because only scum would do that? And you think WoS is scum for being completely afk, because only scum would do that? And you're okay with my lynch becauseeee? | ||
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You didn't say that actually, until just now. You just gave 5 people you would lynch over HF yet you don't want to unvote HF in case he's scum??? How does that make ANY sense. Not only that, but you have no reasons for any of the names on your list (except for me) and you somehow had a hard time admitting that you were sheeping HF. | ||
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On July 16 2015 23:52 boxerfred wrote: ah screw it ##vote Clarity I really think I hit something there. Hurr durr Clarity asking me questions and not checking the voting thread. | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:07 boxerfred wrote: You sure wanna go down this thought process when you're on the HF train, right? I think HtS and rsoultin are town, so yes. | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:09 boxerfred wrote: If you wouldn't mind to stop asking pointless questions (I know that you think my read is plain bull shit) or point out already known things (your town reads on HtS and rsoultin), you could actually read Ruxxar's huge post and start arguing how your town read, rsoultin, is actually town and not scum. I have a hard time figuring out ruxxar's post. He's made several huge posts today but they all feel like "look at how much work I'm doing!". Like yeah, HF has done a lot, I agree. Rsoultin has done less than HF, I agree with that too. However her thoughts seem natural and they align with mine a lot. I still think you're town. I think your reasoning for things, especially in the last two pages, has been especially atrocious and I'm pointing out why but you're ignoring me and just going full steam ahead anyway. | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:10 boxerfred wrote: I am not saying that I think she's scum for that reason. It just fits the picture that I have, that's it. Your picking the worst things to disprove them, do you know that? Also how can you so hardcore townread rsoultin when Ruxxar just made a very informative post on her? This is absurd. Yeah I can say "in my world where X and Y are scum this all fits" and then point at a ton of NAI things. It just doesn't mean anything. Point out why you DO think they're scum, rather than why a bunch of things fit. I literally have no idea why you think HtS is scum | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:17 boxerfred wrote: Yet you hard town read her. So you're not even providing decent reasons to lynch HF. You're just saying "well I like him but I vote him". Then, you feel stunned due to him 180'ing you but do not even realize that I town leaned you before and now you're my top scum read? How does that not bother you, wtf? Sorry, so much inconsistency in so little time. Your whole day feels like you're trying to get HF lynched without making the impression to actually want to lynch him. HF is a better player than you. Also you have no incentive to change your read, he does. Also right after the phrase you bolded I explained my townread on rsoultin. | ||
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I'm not looking to antagonize you, but bad reasons followed by stubbornness is super annoying. | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:13 Clarity_nl wrote: This is absurd. Yeah I can say "in my world where X and Y are scum this all fits" and then point at a ton of NAI things. It just doesn't mean anything. Point out why you DO think they're scum, rather than why a bunch of things fit. I literally have no idea why you think HtS is scum | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:22 boxerfred wrote: Your explanation on the rsoultin townread is simply bad. HF pointed that out. Ruxxar's post points it out. So you're still saying "rsoultin thinks the same stuff as I do so she's town"? All I see is a scum tag team pushing a HF mislynch. omg you caught us gj | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:24 boxerfred wrote: My world is my impression of the game. My thoughts. So of course I try to find things that fit that picture. All you do is saying "oh you're wrong". I don't know how you can have no idea why I think that HtS is scum if you have read the thread. Because I've generally not put much weight behind what you've been saying. As always answering questions is super hard apparently so fine, this conversation is going nowhere. | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:25 boxerfred wrote: Cool, still dodging to actually have an opinion on Ruxxar's post. On July 17 2015 00:12 Clarity_nl wrote: I have a hard time figuring out ruxxar's post. He's made several huge posts today but they all feel like "look at how much work I'm doing!". Like yeah, HF has done a lot, I agree. Rsoultin has done less than HF, I agree with that too. However her thoughts seem natural and they align with mine a lot. I still think you're town. I think your reasoning for things, especially in the last two pages, has been especially atrocious and I'm pointing out why but you're ignoring me and just going full steam ahead anyway. Just fuck off dude | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote: So why are you still voting for HF?! You even said that you liked his his contributions and you had a town read on him up until now. Why flip flop when you've been so certain all along? All I see is you saying you want to vote HF out of spite. Read my posts | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:44 ruXxar wrote: So you're voting him for martyring as a policy lynch. So you actually think he's town but you're just policy lynching him anyway? READ. MY. POSTS. | ||
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Hmm, past tense, what does that mean again? I've made my stance on ruxxar quite clear. | ||
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On July 16 2015 22:29 Clarity_nl wrote: I actually think HF has been contributing useful stuff. Like I like his push on OWS and I like his reasoning for townreading oats for starters. However I struggle to see how he martyrs, and then when he comes back he 180s on me. Like he goes from "clarity's thoughts align with mine, sheep him when I'm dead" to "clarity confirmed scum for believing in my OWS push and never wavering in his townread of me" when I did in fact waver quite a bit, I gave harkon plenty of opportunity to explain to me why he thinks HF is scum and I was going to read up on HF, however HF martyrs and suddenly I just don't give a shit. I was dreading having to go through HF's meta of games I wasn't in but I would have done it, but this is just dumb. HF by the time you started getting milo to talk I was convinced he was scum, he had practically given up and was not trying to defend himself nor was he scumhunting. I believed in my case and all my townreads were calling him scum. Only in the last hour or two did he start sounding like town but I think that's the easiest bit to fake "woe is me I'm so sorry guys I should have played better" I have not been disruptive at all so you are clearly misrepresenting me. On July 16 2015 22:32 Clarity_nl wrote: I've been "hard townreading" HF all game but this is the first time he's called me scum for it, which is very timely as he's the one getting lynched. That and the martyring followed by coming back when it looks like he's actually getting lynched are the reasons for wanting to lynch him now. On July 16 2015 22:41 Clarity_nl wrote: If you had thought it made me scum you would have brought it up earlier? Not wait till you're the main wagon and then go "btw clarity scum" I wasn't hard defending you I let people attack you as much as they wanted. Bringing up your own meta to astonishing detail is not actually helping you. The moment you identify your own meta is the moment you can break it and then claim "look I can't be scum because X". You've brought up your own meta so often this game and you've even shown that you have read your own filter multiple times this game. I was willing to scratch that off as just having a massive head but now I think it's because you're scum trying to keep your story straight. You just look like you're flailing now. Like you definitely could still be town (hedge hedge) but the chance of you being scum has gone up a ton. Combine the things that I said with harkon being convinced you're scum and marv not giving a read on you when he's normally super chatty about whatever (which means he's unsure) and I'm liking this lynch. On July 16 2015 22:47 Clarity_nl wrote: Basically the moment it appears I "stop" townreading you you call me scum, because as scum there was no point in pushing me while I was, in your words, "hard defending you". Now that I'm voting for you it's a good time for you to 180 on me. As town however you would have brought it up much earlier if you truly believed it made me scum, because as town you don't give a shit if someone is townreading you or not, you give a shit if they are scum. If you thought I was scum you would have brought it up, so the 180 makes no sense from a town perspective. On July 16 2015 22:49 Clarity_nl wrote: It's not a solid mafia read, but I'm fine with your lynch now, make of that what you will. I've given my reasons. If you are town reread me and make damn sure you're happy with your scumread because if you're town then you are losing us the game. On July 16 2015 22:58 Clarity_nl wrote: This is true, but it doesn't mean anything. And yes you are losing the game if you're town and you somehow convince people to lynch me after you. Suddenly I've done nothing all game? I guess our reads n3 just lined up by sheer luck, seeing as you told people to sheep me after you got lynched? On July 16 2015 23:02 Clarity_nl wrote: You know this whole saying you're gonna afk from now on doesn't work if you come back every time after you say it? But you know what, yes my vote on you started mainly as just anger at your martyring for no reason, I'm still kinda angry at you. So I'm gonna take a break now and reread some stuff and see if I can change my mind. fwiw I think your 180 on me has decent reasoning, but the timing is super suspect. The fact that you're playing on my emotions more than my rational thoughts actually makes it more likely you're scum I think. So yeah I basically just copy/pasted a full page of my filter because apparently you missed all of it. | ||
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On July 17 2015 01:12 Holyflare wrote: We don't lose anything from no lynching and it gives us more info AND it stops my mislynch happening We lose a confirmed townie and someone who looks/is super townie, then you get to yell at all the people who like to sheep and talk yourself out of a lynch. The problem with no-lynching is that if you're scum, scum instantly win. | ||
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On July 17 2015 01:14 Half the Sky wrote: Do we still have two lynches left if we no lynch? 11:3 NL 9:3 NK 8:3 ML 6:3 NK 5:3 ML ....we don't...er unless I got something wrong there.... We have two mislynches whether we no-lynch today or not | ||
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On July 17 2015 01:16 Breshke wrote: HF where is this coming from. Like i get im a shitter but you actually have a scumread why even bring up no lynch He can suggest this as either alignment IMO Anyway to clarify: No lynch -> 11-3, NKs ->9-3, ML -> 10-3, NKs 8-3, ML -> 7-3, NKs 5-3 = LYLO, 2 mislynches ML -> 10-3, NKs -> 8-3, ML -> 7-3, NKs 5-3 = LYLO, 2 mislynches. | ||
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On July 17 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote: Who on earth ever says this lol??? Where is the incentive for mafia hf to do this at all? The moment I vote you and look like I want to lynch you you suddenly call me scum, it makes no sense from a town perspective to only do this now, as according to you I've been calling you town all game (pretty much true), but only now it makes me scum. | ||
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On July 17 2015 01:28 Holyflare wrote: But how does this make sense for mafia holyflare to ever do???? Where's my play to survive here???? It doesn't look like shit. You voted me out of spite for being angry why would i suddenly assume you scum read me instead of policy like you mentioned 8 times already. Then i play and policy turns to scum read because you like my points. You even like my points on you. Ok clarity. Being logical is not something only town can do. I've explained why you have a good chance to flip scum. If it doesn't make sense from a town perspective, what does that leave? Like if you were town you would have just explained your thought process in why you suddenly 180d, instead your defense is "I wouldn't do this as scum". You gotta find your mislynches somewhere, that's a reason for scum!HF to do it. Is it an ideal explanation? No. Is it a better explanation than town!HF's reasons? Yes. | ||
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On July 17 2015 01:41 Holyflare wrote: "scum hf needs a mislynch somewhere so he picked me and it's scummy because that always existed!" "hf is scummy for all of his play even though that already existed! Even though i like all of his points, even on myself and obi! " Better vote this guy after I'm gone guys. The second part is way off. I read you as town n3, what have I pointed out prior to d4 that I called you scum for? | ||
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On July 17 2015 01:43 Holyflare wrote: Hts has SUPER DUPER dodged all my posts today btw while complaining about my lynch earlier and wanting to lynch va or ruxxar. Don't treat her as town because she writes big posts. Bf's points were good You mean bf's posts saying "I feel hts is scum, and she's not voting for anyone atm which is NAI, which means it makes sense if she's scum!" | ||
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On July 17 2015 01:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Clarity pls. He just proposed that we do a super anti town thing of no lynching. That's on the same level as damdred being jk and visiting ritoky. Aka never happening. Lynch hf. Like I said it's NAI. I assume he didn't realize no-lynching would make us lose a lynch, and whether he's town or scum he would prefer a no-lynch over lynching him if it didn't cost us a lynch. On July 17 2015 01:49 Clarity_nl wrote: HF would you lynch ruxxar with me? | ||
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On July 17 2015 02:08 Holyflare wrote: ok oats you turned shit, np sheep me as your punishment Just so you know, if you flip town and you get upset when you learn that I'm town, realize that your silly martyring is what caused everyone to start acting emotionally. Like at this point if you're town idgaf, you can die anyway. | ||
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On July 17 2015 02:13 Holyflare wrote: I cannot help being an emotional person with outside issues that added up on in game issues. You CAN help to ignore the policy since it is exactly that, your own policy. The only person at fault in a policy is the person stubborn enough to continue it. I find it hard to townread you now. You're still saying some things that I can see are more likely to come from town HF but it's not enough. I might be convinced to lynch ruxxar instead, you should go read up on him. | ||
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On July 17 2015 02:41 Vivax wrote: Gonna sheep the fuck out of HF if he flips town. You can hold me onto this later. Great, can't wait | ||
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On July 17 2015 02:46 Vivax wrote: I don't know how so many feel confident in him being town, including you. I really have no idea what he is, every game I just treat him as if he didn't exist until it becomes an issue cause I don't want to go insane trying to get a read on him. I was pretty confident, then harkon yelled at me but I still felt alright, then he martyred and now I just want him to die. ez game | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:48 Holyflare wrote: no you mafia read me you lynch me, there is no getting out of it now Like why would you do this as town, yo? | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:48 Vivax wrote: HF did you talk about why Trfel is supposed to be town earlier so I can go and start drowning in your massive filter looking for it? trfel has some stuff in a spoiler that's borderline DMA | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:52 Holyflare wrote: so you can stick to your policy/fake mafia read you made, duh? there's no backing out now No seriously you advocate this whole be rational thing and then as town you're yelling to lynch you over ruxxar? | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Uh. I don't know what DMA is. ._. It's only been mentioned and explained like 4-5 times this game, I didn't know what it meant prior to this game. | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:53 Holyflare wrote: why on earth do you give a shit if you think i'm mafia? BECAUSE IM SCUM AND I REALLY WANNA SWITCH TO RUXXAR SO THAT YOU CAN PUSH ME ALL DAY TOMORROW | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:54 Holyflare wrote: it's the most rational thing in the world to kill me today so people know that all my reads on people are legit and then i won't be a controversial talking point for mafia rsoul to blend into the game with and she can no longer hide behind the meta of "when we fight one of us is mafia" because that person will be her No, wanting yourself lynched for information when you're town is the exact opposite of rational. | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:58 Holyflare wrote: No it's not really at all. Like you said yourself, you want to lynch ruxxar but i'll forever be a question mark. I don't want to put in anymore effort just for people to keep saying i'm mafia so i'm taking the easy road and making my reads confirmed to be from my own point of view and people can sheep them. Totally rational. It's also nice to school LightningStrike for playing badly. Waaah, people are scumreading me so I'm gonna stop playing waaaah. Martyr yourself and then call confirmed townies bad, waaaah. | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:59 Holyflare wrote: clarity what do you think of this post from a different game and does it look similar to the reason hts is voting me today? I think they're completely different scenarios because from what I can gather HtS was the main wagon in that game? She has no reason to sound the same as scum under pressure here. Opportunistic is used in both that post and some of her posts here, so what? So no, I don't really see it. | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:05 Holyflare wrote: didn't hate his explanation You should, because if they're both scum there is 0 reason to not kill the RB first, unless you're scum. I'm more confident on ruxxar than I am on breshke though, but you seem committed to want to die so just die and then whine postgame about how LS sucked despite you ruining an entire day. Or be scum, whatever. | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:08 Holyflare wrote: how does me martyring ruin an entire day? isn't that you being susceptible to emotions ruining the entire day because you like policy? I don't even see how it's a policy BECAUSE YOU SCUM READ ME????? It was a policy, then it wasn't. Pay attention. | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:09 Holyflare wrote: yes that's exactly what i said, you scum read me but you're whining that i'm martyring so why do you care if it's a scum read? I'm waffling in case you haven't noticed, hence me bringing up a ruxxar lynch. The fact that you still prefer dying makes me think you're town again. Your response to that is "lol no you scumread me, lynch me" which is then again, martyring. This is not fucking rocket science. | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:10 ruXxar wrote: Humor me, if I'm scum then who's mafia with me? I don't know dude. That comes after. | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:14 boxerfred wrote: I second that. Strongly. Want to add that it is still possible that people who did not vote yet are among the scum team no matter how he flips. So it's a) voters of HF + people who did not vote until now or b) yeah, ebh me or breshke. I know that I'm town so EBH + Breshke. The irony is though that we can only safely lynch among us 3 if HF flips scum. Which means we can't today. Or not? Look bf, you just play the game wrong. Why is it not possible for 2 scum to be on HF and 1 scum to not be voting, or 3 on HF and 0 not voting him. The only thing that's fair to say is that if HF is town, at least 1 vote on him is scum as I highly doubt all scum would sit around and suck their thumbs. These conclusions that you are drawing are ABSURD. | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:17 boxerfred wrote: I don't get it. I'm saying: "look, there are possibly scum members among the people who hadn't vote yet". You're saying "hy is it not possible for 2 scum to be on HF and 1 scum to not be voting" yet what I'm saying is ABSURD? You're weird and I will stop listening to you for a time. It's ridiculous analysis that doesn't go anywhere and just takes up space. Our options are: HF is town: - 1 scum on HF - 2 scum on HF - 3 scum on HF HF is scum: - 0 scum on HF - 1 scum on HF - 2 scum on HF SUCH ANALYSIS WOW, LET'S EXTRAPOLATE. There could be scum in the non-voters? WOW HOW INTERESTING. | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:19 ruXxar wrote: Really? You haven't even thought about whether or not it makes sense that I'm mafia together with someone? You know you have to piece together teams that actually makes sense right? Good luck when you get to lylo and there's 3 mafia alive and you all start scum reading each other. That's how I lost my newbie game because us townies were too dumb to piece together who could or couldn't be mafia together and just looked at the scummiest player who happened to be a townie playing scummy. So yeah, have fun with that. Theres 14 people in the game, bro. | ||
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I think EBH(VA)/vivax are town. I still think boxerfred is town for his dumbtell and his stuff prior to it (although I hated his d4). Oats still town too. I'm willing to sheep geript regarding WoS, although how he hasn't been modkilled is beyond me. Nearly everybody seems to be okay with a ruxxar lynch which seems weird. Hey rsoultin it seems you did a lot of swearing in carnaval, not so much in this game, is that because of BH or? + Show Spoiler [irrelevant stuff] + inb4 postgame where everyone tells me that despite HF being town, I was reading him town for the wrong reasons all game, while at the same time telling me I should not have lynched him for martyring. | ||
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On July 17 2015 23:25 rsoultin wrote: If you're about to say you think i'm town because i'm not swearing as much that's main lol >< it's situational and I can't neither confirm not sent a also on the wrist for saying a certain vitriolic player was turning into a gremlin every time I disagreed with him xP which btw is prob why he changed his tone at around that time as well assuming the thing I came neither confirm nor deny actually happened ^^ Just something I noticed, wondered if you had an explanation. I shouldn't have brought it up tbh. HtS could you explain your breshke townread? | ||
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Breshke (2): Vivax, XEliteBlueHunter69X rsoultin (2): ruXxar, boxerfred ObiWanShinobi (1): Holyflare ruXxar (1): Breshke Here's where I stand, which actually makes the lynches quite easy. I would start with ruxxar, then OWS + Breshke in some order and then rsoultin if necesarry, easy game. | ||
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On July 18 2015 00:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You all talk too much. Just vote wave tomorrow. Yeah you're right, let's not talk about the game and instead lynch the guy who's practically afk so that if/when he flips town we go into lylo with as little information as possible. Good one. | ||
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I too hate reading text in a mafia game. Anyway, WoS is a terrible lynch today. Who do you wanna lynch instead? | ||
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On July 18 2015 00:36 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: That ship has essentially sailed, although this is good i doubt mafia would want to be seen hard pushing wave atm I don't think this is true if town is heading in the right direction. | ||
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I think my WoS unvote was fine, I liked his explanation of "preplanned is dumb" and his "I dunno what it means" stuff. You're also ignoring that damdred made a huge case on me near the end of d1 >.> | ||
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On July 18 2015 03:38 Vivax wrote: ad bold 1: Why would you ever think about your scummates as town? ad bold 2: Did you mention this somewhere earlier? Cause it's clear you were aware of this all the time and didn't just go look it up right now. 1. I just did, shrug. After my made my first post I considered how our interaction looked and then realized I could come to this conclusion. 2. Someone else brought it up as a point in my defense at some point, I don't remember who. | ||
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On July 18 2015 03:51 Vivax wrote: Clarity can you walk me through your thought process when WoS posts after his townread of yours made you less suspicious of him? It wasn't any deep analysis or anything. I thought his townread on me made no sense but "preplanned is dumb and clarity is tryharding" was good enough. | ||
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On July 18 2015 03:53 Vivax wrote: Do you think that the way Damdred, Kelsier and rso questioned you and dropped you is a mere coincidence in the case of rso? I think that's more likely than 3 scum having the exact same approach towards me. If rsoultin is scum it's not because she did the same things as kelsier and damdred at a certain point in the game | ||
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I don't think she's scum | ||
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On July 18 2015 04:17 rsoultin wrote: why won't anyone talk about va?! like seriously, if what i'm saying is that stupid, tell me why To be fair I've read HF's first post as likely from town from the start, it just got overshadowed by other stuff, so I get where he's coming from with that. It's not really an argument that should be used on d4 though, but why does being dumb on HF make him scum? If anything if EBH was scum he'd just jump on the wagon at some point. I wasn't sure on HF either while he was getting lynched. It was a combination of annoyance, doubt and no real counterwagon that kept me on him (HF didn't wanna switch to ruxx). | ||
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On July 18 2015 04:27 rsoultin wrote: i'm talking about completely forgetting your top townread clarity ^^ the read is still horribad but that's not the main point I'm not familiar with EBH/VA whatever but seems to me he's a bit all over the place in general. I mean the guy blue hunted in his opening post on day1, you expect him to remember his reads as either alignment? Not a great defense I admit but I think his stuff is somewhat townie and I'm willing to sheep all the dead town who said the same. | ||
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I'm going for a run and then I'll be around until flips | ||
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On July 18 2015 05:06 boxerfred wrote: pointing out the obvious + sayign "sheep town HF is a sucky idea"? you're totally scum. Okay so say you're town and a guy who is about to get lynched says "lynch bf when I flip town because I said so", do you say "yeah that's a great idea, since when you flip town that must mean I'm scum!" or do you say "don't listen to him he's wrong and you should not be sheeping him"? | ||
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On July 18 2015 05:23 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay so say you're town and a guy who is about to get lynched says "lynch bf when I flip town because I said so", do you say "yeah that's a great idea, since when you flip town that must mean I'm scum!" or do you say "don't listen to him he's wrong and you should not be sheeping him"? I'm saying this because I'd like you to point out what about the post you've quoted makes rsoultin scum. | ||
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On July 18 2015 05:56 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: lol I was the only person to even attempt not lynching HF last cycle and you have the audacity to say ANY of you give a shit more then me? Laughable Vivax too. | ||
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On July 18 2015 06:33 rsoultin wrote: so why is everyone ignoring bf? i mean, i know that i'm ignoring him because my tolerance for dumb is pretty low and i'd rather not get myself modkilled -_- but everyone seems to be townreading him? why? Basically he had the dumbtell of not knowing how many scum are in the game, but I am starting to doubt because I literally disagree with everything that he's posting. | ||
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On July 18 2015 06:40 Vivax wrote: So if you wanna lynch OBI at ANY point you gotta get over my dead body cause there's no way in hell he just shits on harkons opinion like that expecting him to be a town jat pressuring a potential obi scumbuddy without trying to gain somethinng beneficial for himselg. Yeah I kinda like this, actually. This makes it more likely rsoultin is scum, or one of my townreads is wrong, sigh. | ||
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On July 18 2015 06:38 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: theres zero reason to solve the game, ive been right on every single lynch I don't see that helping at all. so yea im just gonna complain about any dumb people then lol @ whoever is town post game and that will be that Being right doesn't mean jack shit if you can't convince others. Bitching and moaning doesn't do shit either. | ||
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On July 18 2015 06:43 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: congratulations you have realized that nothing works in this town and this game is a waste of time, prize: nothing Because not being able to convince anyone is EVERYONE ELSES fault and not yours. Maybe if you act more antagonistic you'll make sure no one will listen to you just like HF, and you guys can tell eachother it's alright post-game. Assuming you're town, of course. But most of my townreads insist on doing nothing to the point that I have to reconsider and waste time on them. | ||
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On July 18 2015 06:39 boxerfred wrote: aaaand because you're scum only player I'm not 100% sure is HtS. I'm 80% sure though. How you can delude yourself to ever be 100% sure about anything is ridiculous. I've shown you time and time again that the way you are approaching things is awful, and yet you just keep going and going like an energizer bunny leaving footprints made of shit. | ||
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On July 18 2015 06:54 boxerfred wrote: you also said "fuck you" so I guess I won't take advice on the game from you Yeah because when people are yelling at you that you are wrong and giving you reasons for it, the correct response is "I'm not listening to you because you're yelling". | ||
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On July 18 2015 07:15 Breshke wrote: To be clear I jailed obi. I was attempting to hold it until two mafia left but I didn't want to be claiming in mylo so what is done is done. I think he is very likely town just by the fact that if I jailed the one scum not delivering KP then fuck me Who have you jailed the previous nights? | ||
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Alright so let's lynch ruxxar, yes? ##Vote RuXxar | ||
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I do think ruxxar's push on your is super BS which strengthens my read, but that's just from keeping up with thread, I haven't read back. I have a little paranoia where rsoultin is pocketing me super hard BUT I always get this feeling in any game of mafia so.... I'll do some rereading but I expect rsoultin to be super town. Someone brought up she normally leaves a legacy as town but not as scum. I mean obv she wasnt getting nk'd thanks to HF, but can someone confirm this or point out a game where she leaves a legacy every night as town? | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:09 ruXxar wrote: I haven't had the time to consider your claim yet. Talk to me about it. Why did you decide to jail Obi of all people and not one of the more highly contested people like me? I don't see a benefit for town fake claiming here unless they are in contention for getting lynched the next day. I could see town fake-claiming to save themselves if they had no other way of escape, and that they would also guard one of their strongest town-reads to protect them as well. I don't get the impression that OBI is your strongest town-read so that theory doesn't make sense. It seems like a very unnatural thought, and I don't think you'd think of making that play as town unless you were a real PR. The option as you say is that you're mafia and that you're trying to clear your scum-mate. However that would be an extremely high risk play since it brings a lot of attention to yourself when you weren't previously in contention for getting lynched, and as you said you could've saved it for later when it would've been even more effective. For now I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt as I'm always weary of lynching PR claims. I wouldn't be surprised actually if you were PR since scum has had 2 RBer's this game which is unprecedented and really strong for a scum team. As for Obi, he could still possibly be scum just not a KP carrier (1/3 chance), so not going to give him a free pass for that just yet. Just wanna chime in and say that if obi was scum there's a bigger than 2/3 chance that he would carry KP, unless the other scum are literally EBH+WoS | ||
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On July 18 2015 00:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah you're right, let's not talk about the game and instead lynch the guy who's practically afk so that if/when he flips town we go into lylo with as little information as possible. Good one. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why are we even in this position right now? It's obvious both you/ruxx are town and there's no reason to lynch players who do stuff. Besides, why even spare Wave a day if we're just going to have to deal with him tomorrow? Same deal. Doesn't seem obvious to me. Could you enlighten me please? | ||
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Brilliant deduction, like all your other ones. | ||
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On July 19 2015 04:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can't really elaborate in detail until I get home, but the bottom line is they're both arguing over nothing. I don't think the points they're bringing up against each other are decent in regards to making either of them scum while I don't think either of them are scummy for bringing them up. Just reads like two townies fighting. I'm treating both you and breshke as confirmed town, I'm going to spend a good amount of time reading stuff in this game later, with the mindset that everyone is null. | ||
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On July 19 2015 04:09 boxerfred wrote: so fun how rsoultin engages ruxxar now the same way she did with hf last day. hf was town. This does not mean anything, dude.. | ||
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On July 19 2015 04:10 rsoultin wrote: isn't it gonna be fun when i flip town and you look the fool ^^ please lynch this guy. he's done literally nothing useful for days. nothing. at. all This makes him scum? He's being told by a lot of people that he's making dumb arguments, yet he just keeps doing it. Hmph. | ||
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On July 19 2015 04:22 rsoultin wrote: doing nothing useful for days? yeah? like...how does it make him town? Not saying it does. Although the persistence feels townie. If you tell scum to shut up enough you'd think they would. It's not the greatest argument I admit. | ||
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Rsoultin I feel you treat me different, you're very aggressive with others yet you timidly answer my questions, do you just have a super town read on me or what? | ||
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On July 19 2015 08:06 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: nothing to elaborate on, you can read vivax's filter for yourself. He died after starting to scumread you and I don't see any reason why he would die over some one like HTS who has a miller claim and is only read scum by boxerfred. so there has to be some sort of merit to his reads. Not a single person was scumreading vivax and LS was confirmed town. You can't wifom the night kills to call ruxxar mafia. You can call ruxxar mafia for other things, though. | ||
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On July 19 2015 08:21 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: well I dont think he is mafia so not sure why I would do that. Just saying I could see how I could be wrong. but if rsoultin is on the wagon zero chance i ever vote ruxxar Ruxxar is probably mafia, but rsoultin is voting ruxxar so you're not voting ruxxar, does that about sum it up? | ||
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RuXxar explained later on that this was because he considered me and HF could be masons. Looking back at this, it makes a lot of sense. In fact just so we have it in one place let me put together the known night actions: n1: - scum KP on Palmar <- kind of a standard scum shot - scum KP on Harkon <- apparently he soft claimed some kinda blue role to draw a shot - Damdred RB on ritoky <- cop claim - KelsierSC RB on milo <- cop claim - LS gives HtS a gun - geript tracks damdred to ritoky <- damdred did not deliver KP n2: - scum KP on ritoky <- shot the confirmed cop - scum KP on geript <- shot the confirmed tracker - HtS shoots MZ with gun - KelsierSC RB on milo - LS gives marv a gun n3: - scum KP on harkon <- confirmed vet - scum KP on marv <- good townie - marv shoots scott with gun n4: - scum KP on vivax <- was clearly townie - scum KP on LS <- confirmed gunsmith - Breshke JKs OWS + Show Spoiler [unimportant] + Man we really got fucked by outting 2 cops d1 and scum having 2 roleblockers So looking back I guess I don't understand why scum!ruxxar, "figuring out" that we're masons would not shoot HF over Palmar n1. Palmar wasn't doing much and his votes that day were on town, whereas HF being a mason with someone is probably quite dangerous. So... RuXxar isn't scum? Uh... Yeah I'm pretty confident in that now. ##Unvote Going back to the votes.. I believe breshke's JK claim, it makes a lot of sense. I also believe that if OWS were scum he would very likely be carrying KP, so I'm willing to treat both of them as confirmed town. I still think HtS is likely town but I'll have to read more deeply first so I'll put her at null. I'm also putting EBH back at null, rather than town. I'm also putting bf back at null because of his terrible arguments for the last 3-5 days or so. That leaves us with: Holyflare (8): LightningStrike, Clarity_nl, WaveofShadow, Trfel, Oatsmaster, rsoultin, ObiWanShinobi, Half the Sky Breshke (2): Vivax, XEliteBlueHunter69X rsoultin (2): ruXxar, boxerfred ObiWanShinobi (1): Holyflare ruXxar (1): Breshke Earlier I've townread rsoultin for hinting at Trfel's irl issues, which I find hard to believe if rsoultin is scum and trfel is town. I also found it hard to believe if they're both scum, but perhaps I should ignore that and look more closely. I think if rsoultin is scum that makes trfel scum as well. This is because I believe as scum rsoultin would feel bad about using info she has irl to make her fake reads ingame. However if they are both scum she would not feel this way. As town you can't really help it, and she did what appears to be her best to So with my current townreads possible scumteams are: - rsoultin, trfel, EBH - rsoultin, trfel, bf - Trfel, EBH, bf I'm going to have to seriously consider the possibility of rsoultin being scum. If I am wrong about any of my townreads I think it'll be HtS, I'll look there next. Anyway that's my work for tonight, more tomorrow. ##Vote trfel | ||
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Earlier I've townread rsoultin for hinting at Trfel's irl issues, which I find hard to believe if rsoultin is scum and trfel is town. I also found it hard to believe if they're both scum, but perhaps I should ignore that and look more closely. I think if rsoultin is scum that makes trfel scum as well. This is because I believe as scum rsoultin would feel bad about using info she has irl to make her fake reads ingame. However if they are both scum she would not feel this way. As town you can't really help it, and she did what appears to be her best to not mention it outright in thread | ||
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I really don't think oats is scum, it would mean he figured out geript was blue on d1 and then decided to let him live (the VT PM + scumslip stuff) Anyway hopefully I can get a confident read on you in the morning. | ||
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On July 19 2015 10:19 Half the Sky wrote: I have played with Ras before she always says its not her place to talk about others RL issues. Yeah this is my assumption. I think she would not use it as scum unless trfel was also scum and they agreed on it, hence my conclusion. What do you think? | ||
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On July 19 2015 10:28 Half the Sky wrote: The read I don't understand is BF. His town game is very poor in general because he has has zero town coaching in newbie game. His only newbie he was scum. Ras seems to have gotten her read on him from nsm10 so I need to read that filter again. I thought he was town here but apparently the too scum to be scum applied in the game he was actually scum. This game the number of scum thing he didn't know but I don't recall him acting THAT dumb in nsm10. His read on me is a fear read which is NAI, but complete understandable from a town perspective. You are POEing Trfel regardless of DMA? Yeah pretty much. I have to be wrong somewhere and I think it's much more likely to be trfel than WoS. WoS is actively not giving a shit by being actually afk. Trfel on the other hand shows up sometimes and does nothing. bf is the same story. Basically I ended up with too many townreads after the breshke/OWS thing, which means either this is some brilliant move by scum!Breshke (which I doubt very highly) or I'm wrong somewhere. | ||
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On July 19 2015 10:30 Half the Sky wrote: I honestly think she could say that as either alignment (the its not my place, etc thing) that's just who she is independently of the game. Unless I misunderstood. Like she's used it to townread trfel on multiple occasions this game. I can understand this from a town perspective, but as scum I think it would make me (and by extension her) feel a bit.... ugh I dunno, uncomfortable? Giving out a fake townread (because you know they're town because you're scum) by using their irl circumstances. | ||
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On July 19 2015 10:38 ruXxar wrote: This is incorrect, oats thought geript was mafia and that it was a scumslip. I had this argument with oats where we argued about scumslips. I tried to subtly tell oats that geript could be a PR, but oats apparently didn't get the picture. Yeah which all reads like town oats. If oats was scum he would realize geript messing up in regards to the VT PM would make him blue, and murder him. And if you recall I did the same. | ||
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On July 19 2015 13:04 Breshke wrote: Ahh and i just noticed clarity in your analysis you said you think HTS is likely town but are going to put her back at null but then still colour her green and dont consider her in your scumteams. Is this on purpose? On July 19 2015 10:08 Clarity_nl wrote: I waffled so often on HtS that some of my stuff is contradictory, but in a world where HtS is town all of the above is true. As for Trfel suddenly posting 20 reasons why I'm scum, this is what we call scum flailing. I'm sorry rsoultin but I think you're wrong. If I'm not wrong on trfel that kinda means HtS has to be scum and I don't see it. On July 19 2015 13:02 Breshke wrote: Also clarity what if Ruxxar did think you and HF were masons suggested the kill and then his team told him otherwise. Seems unlikely, from what I understand HF is a good n1 kill regardless. Not impossible, mind you, but mafia isn't an exact science. | ||
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He changed his mind shortly after, I've already brought this up earlier in the game. | ||
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I think for me the more important question is why am I scum? For example what reason do I have to switch from ruxxar to trfel? | ||
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On July 19 2015 22:12 Oatsmaster wrote: If they are both town, then it doesnt really matter? So you think that its reasonable to assume, 1. JK breshke doesnt want to lynch other claimed JK damdred, 2. JK breshke saves her jail till night 4, which is not even the best night to do it. Why not night 5??? preventing a nightkill makes it mylo not lylo so breshke needs to be around to claim it. So saying that she wanted to use it before she dies doesnt help town at all. Basically the way I see it is damdred was getting lynched anyway. Breshke also mentioned he(?) wanted to save it another night but was afraid of getting lynched. You explain yourself that for breshke's JK to do anything he needs to be alive otherwise it's useless, so I can understand using it n4. | ||
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On July 19 2015 22:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Because she wants to lynch the current person leading the votes. Why do you think breshke is town? Is breshke male or female? I thought he was a guy. JK claim makes a lot of sense to me. The target makes sense to me and the timing makes sense to me. Other than that I was scumreading him for a bit and then moved him to null, he was in no real danger to get lynched. I would make no sense as town!breshke could easily lie about being 1-shot which means scum have to shoot him tonight anyway. He's definitely not the lynch today. | ||
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I don't think OWS was an awful JK target to be honest. I think if ruxxar was scum he had a high chance of not carrying KP. And I think choosing between ruxxar/OWS made sense. Damdred had to claim cause he got tracked bro, how can you compare the two. | ||
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In fact the post you're referring to is the one I scumread her for during n2, but she explained herself adequately. | ||
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On July 19 2015 22:29 Oatsmaster wrote: oh why trfel? It seems really bad to me that you are lynching a POE read rather than someone you actually think is mafia. ##vote clarity Look at the post and look at the worlds that are possible with my assumptions, trfel is in all of them. | ||
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A rolecop and two roleblockers seems kinda insane, Breshke. I'm really not feeling a rsoultin lynch despite everything. >.< | ||
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On July 19 2015 23:04 rsoultin wrote: nope ^^ if you want to know the truth, i think y'all are gonna flail around a lot arguing till right before EoD, consolidate on me for #reasons! and just generally not listen to me all game like y'all have already been doing and do pretty much every game -shrugs- and go into mylo tomorrow best i can do is leave something behind and unless anyone wants to actually bring forth a real reason i'm scum i'm just gonna ignore that and pretend i'm invincible lol >< so whatever It appears trfel isn't happening, I don't think I can convince people in the ~2 hours I have left nor do I want to spend my time that way. Like trfel is playing "objectively scummy" imo, but for meta reasons and DMA reasons people don't want to lynch him. I wanna put my vote somewhere useful. I think you could be scum, rsoultin, but I'm not confident in it. I also think that unless both you and hts are scum together, hts can figure you out better than me today and tomorrow. I want you to come to a conclusion today regarding trfel. Is he a DO NOT LYNCH for you? In the mean time I guess that leaves bf to put my vote on. ##Vote boxerfred | ||
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On July 19 2015 22:55 Breshke wrote: Doesnt my thingy stll go off if i die? Yeah but we wouldn't know why a kp was missing and it wouldn't give us an extra day, so you have to be alive for your jk to mean anything | ||
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On July 19 2015 23:26 rsoultin wrote: you did and it hasn't changed xP i still think scum is between va/bf/wave/clarity if ruxx flips town, but i'm pretty sure he won't ^^ and yes, the arguing is pointless and that's why i stopped. he decided hf was town and i was scum 12 hrs into the game for reasons that aren't even accurate. like you accuse me of having unchanging reads lol >< when i've actually tried to work with both of them like maybe va is a better shot for flipping scum than bf and i'm just being too hopeful thinking that people really aren't that...eh, i have no nice way to describe bf if he's not scum so i'm not going to go there -_- va completely forgot his townread on hf. then when hf is being lynched he suddenly remembers again, and it's for the same reason that always existed? like, how is that possible? hf wasn't just a townread, either; he was va's most confident townread. i don't think a town!va forgets that, and him trying to use this "i was right on hf" for towncred makes it look even worse. his memory lapse was very convenient, imo Any thoughts on my reasons for calling ruxxar town? | ||
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On July 19 2015 23:39 Half the Sky wrote: Skimmed BFs filter nsm10, NOTHING like this game I see the shit tier town game here, not lynching him today. I'll take a look myself. I might actually end up with rsoultin just as POE then >.<, HtS have you looked into her yet? | ||
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On July 19 2015 23:56 rsoultin wrote: eh now i remember why i didn't get through bf's filter in that game -_- it's painful to even try to read, much like here "people voting together d1 must be masons or scum" -pukes in mouth- can you show me what you're talking about in quotes, hts? no reason not to lynch ebh xP @ hts...which kinda answers your question, clarity. though frankly, i'm not going to tell you to vote for someone i'm not scumreading just to get you not to vote for me, so that's a pretty unfair question to begin with lol >< Unfair questions are the best questions. I'm rereading EBH again, I always kind go "eh, probably town" but I have a hard time figuring out why I feel that way. | ||
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On July 20 2015 00:05 rsoultin wrote: lol not really sure why this means anything again? you think a town player really forgets his strongest townread? You think a scum player does? Like you're harping on this a lot but it seems like you're using a dumbtell as a scumtell. And yeah I think drawing unnecessary attention to yourself is more likely to come from town, the same with the bluehunting. Like yeah you name your smurf bluehunter and then roll scum, MAYBE you decide to bluehunt in thread but that just doesnt seem necessary. | ||
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On July 20 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote: This post is terrible. HTS doesnt realise Im calling breshke town. HTS also has a stupid assumption that is based off absolutely nothing. And finally, hts doesnt link the people wanting to lynch BF, aka clarity. So its not a townie mindset post at all. How do you think that people who push bf are scummy but never actually make a connection with your scumreads? Its way too general and typical mafia. And rsoultin, bro. She's saying the same thing two ways. "I think there has to be an active scum, there has to be scum between ras/clarity because they're both active and they're both on bf atm" Seems consistent to me. | ||
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On July 20 2015 00:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Also, there is significant pushback against lynching wave when there really shouldnt be, nobody should have any kind of read on him. On July 10 2015 04:08 geript wrote: Either way I'm going to say this right now because I feel really strong about this. NEVER FUCKING LYNCH WAVEOFSHADOW!!!!!! Seriously. IDK what it is and I can't explain it at all quite yet. But I will hate you forever if you lynch him. And I didn't feel super safe about him last game at all. Maybe never lynch Holyflare. At best, I'd only consider him in Mylo (given milo/damdred/MZ). And even then I'm not sure I would. I'd have to think about a lot of things. But I had a strong townread on him early and I'm really struggling with a reason to exchange that in any way right now. | ||
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I'm willing to consolidate on EBH as I definitely prefer it over rsoultin at the moment. I'm hoping hts can get her shit together and get a concrete read on rsoultin before the end of n5. | ||
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On July 20 2015 00:20 rsoultin wrote: ... yeah i'm just going to pretend that i haven't asked for a clear explanation of why people are townreading bf half a dozen times ^^ HtS is right, bf's filter in NSM10 is completely different compared to here. He didn't tunnel, and he had long reasonable posts, the opposite of this game. | ||
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On July 20 2015 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote: How did she set it up to afk? No, this read is complete bullshit. Why wont you try and mislead town in a very very very important lynch? Why would you bugger off and let town possibly lynch mafia? She's mentioned like 50 times that she's going to be less active starting d5 (or n4 or something) | ||
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WHEN SHE SAYS I CANT BE AROUND AND THEN PUTS IN A TON OF EFFORT YES I'D SAY SO. | ||
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On July 20 2015 00:25 rsoultin wrote: quote the long reasonable posts? like i said i can't get past the first page -_- it's like reading sicklucker for me + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2015 05:26 boxerfred wrote: Which is wrong, I already pushed disinformation which was not popular at all, starting EoN. Also, I explained thoroughly why I voted for Sicklucker. Then, being sick of the SK discussion, I voted on bunnies without having my own follow up on other people's read. Can't do much about you not liking me trying to identify masons. I feel like with one scum member down, a mislynch becomes very possible. So I really want to gain any information I can get on who is most likely a town member. You are generalizing the mason thing, thus leaning me towards scum. Do you have any more reasons to do so beyond the ones I already replied to with this post? Why are you holding me scum for apparently sheeping a popular vote when you are not doing the same for disformation, who still has to reply to some pressure and changed his pushing pattern from day 1 to a lurker pattern today? He already admitted to rather accept a random coinflip then potentially(! note, potentially. chances were not above 50% in my opinion) having a train on himself? Please explain that. Gonna skim through your posts later. I'm reading you town but I didn't pay too much attention on your posts alone yet. On May 27 2015 22:40 boxerfred wrote: I wouldn't put that aside as fast as you do it. Changing a posting pattern is a serious thing. I get your "he's new" approach but I think you forget that dis is very conscious of posting patterns, he mentioned my pattern in a post. He must know that posting patterns are quite telly and he even took it in account when he was pushing me. So I at least want to know why his pattern changed so much. Any info, disinfo? I am fairly confident that Breshke is town. Can't tell for sure of course but his posts are very reasonable. He's taking his time to argue and he's very fair towards people, decently pushing at the same time though. I held batsnacks for town (also because he read me town basically all the time) but that might just be him pocketing me. I don't have a read on you, tictock, and feel like you should be under some more pressure or at least give some info on what your current reads are, now that BM flipped coin. I think putting SL aside at least until EoN is a good thing. We have no new clues thus far and he's fairly active, arguing in a weird but relatively reasonal way. Seems to have stopped yolo'ing. On May 29 2015 01:44 boxerfred wrote: You pointed that out being a "Critical question", so let me answer: hell yes! You went at me pretty hard on D1 already and I defended myself without trying to get rid of any attention. I tried to simply stand there, let you fire at me and reply with "Well bro, I'm not a scum member. Since I (at this point) am not too sure about others, I'll just try to defend without damaging anyone else". In contrary to you: you freely admitted that you'd rather have a coinflip vote than the unlikely chance of getting bussed. When I decided to pressure you, I basically wanted to poke you to see if you'd change something once you're under pressure yourself. Well you did: your D2 pattern was lurky as fuck, and look what you do this day, now that town's chances are better than ever: short posts. Besides one (solid and well written) post, all you do is oneliners and following other guy's theories, without putting yourself too much in the line of fire. You accomplished to never be in danger of being voted since D1. Still hold you for town however. Tried really hard to find something besides your posting pattern that would justify a push on you, however I cannot. On May 29 2015 07:33 boxerfred wrote: Questions: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=83#1642 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=83#1654 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=83#1652 Regarding the reminder: I'm still riding the bunnies/disinformation/plotspots train. I won't get off that train easily. Regarding the three claims: mason claim feels genuine and true, no logical flaws, everything's fine. Cop claim makes sense, too. Good calls, not liking the scum read on Sulfuras but hey that's how it is. The town checks on bunnies and barakos are confusing but would be easily explained with a GF. Can't see a scum lean in Barakos, that would leave it to bunnies. The Plotspots claim is weak because Barakos revealed that he was blocked before plots revealed his role. Then, plots went full yolo. So: strong claim on mason (which I support), okay(tendence to strong) claim on cop, weak claim on RB. I note by now that a lurky tactic is far better then really explaining what you are thinking. Dis, bunnies, barakos and sulf do a great job with that thus far. Notice the completely different tone as well?? | ||
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On July 20 2015 00:33 rsoultin wrote: eh frankly he's got some posts like this in his filter this game? though it doesn't look much like his opening or his latest posting which is just complete shit i don't know -_- like what you call "reasonable" i can't even finish reading without twitching so lol i dunnae that i can make an unbiased read on bf. it took me forever to recognize that illogical =/= scum but i have the worst time reading those players even so xP Like I'm just saying it sounds reasonable. His tone is completely "I hope I don't offend anyone" in that game compared to this one. He doesn't have posts like that in this game at all? | ||
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##Vote EBH If HtS gets me lynched she's still town, fyi. If she's scum good for her she can win the game, very impressive. | ||
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On July 20 2015 00:40 rsoultin wrote: ooooooh reasonable like that not reasonable like making a lick of sense hn, maybe. tbf i don't think he risks anything being a dick to me when no one will call him on it anyway, but you may have a point there -_- i'm getting to the point where you kinda have to be scum or one of my townreads is wrong Welcome to the club. We have something special going on you and I. I'll be around to answer questions for 20 min or so but that's it. | ||
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On July 20 2015 00:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Stop doing this shit. Its so annoying. "Oh lets lynch this dude who has played badly is probably town so that I dont feel bad if I lynch someone active and they are town". That's not at all what I said. | ||
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On July 20 2015 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote: That was to rsoul btw. I dont see a world where a town player says something like the bolded bit. I do | ||
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On July 20 2015 00:44 Oatsmaster wrote: ebh has played badly as either alignment but you would rather lose to HTS than to lose to ebh because you apparently think that losing to different people somehow makes a difference. I feel very strongly that hts is town, even if she ends up getting me lynched. It appears EBH is gonna go through though. But who knows, I'm not gonna be around the next 6 hours or so. | ||
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On July 20 2015 00:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Why would a town player be ok with getting lynched today? I'm pretty sure "if you want to lynch me that's fine" is not "I want to be lynched", I think it's closer to "you're not going to get people to lynch me today anyway, so do what you want" | ||
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On July 20 2015 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Rsoul, can you quote posts where EBH has the inconsistency with his read on hf? She's done this multiple times already | ||
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Do not lynch ruxxar, do not lynch bf, do not lynch me. I wouldn't feel terrible about a rsoultin lynch mainly due to poe.... but I think EBH is a better lynch. | ||
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Things look a mess, wish we had lynched someone even if it was me. we'll sort it tomorrow. | ||
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Trfel can you explain your scumread on me? You basically didn't have it until I voted you d5 afaik. | ||
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But he's on rsoultin's never lynch list which makes things difficult. I think bf is town, this leaves me back with rsoultin/trfel being scum together, with either EBH or WoS being the third. Probably EBH although I remember someone saying he's town for something that happened during EoD, I'll have to reread as I've just skimmed. | ||
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On July 21 2015 17:59 ruXxar wrote: You misread, what he's saying is that for mafia there is a neglible difference between a no-lynch and a mis-lynch on town. I'm still trying to make sense of how that fits with yesterdays voting. Can we safely make the assumption that the scum team was aware of this and not really caring one way or the other? If we do, then the only safe assumption about yesterday is the fact that mafia wanted to avoid a mafia lynch. I'll give you my thoughts after work tonight. I don't think I misread It ends up in the same place, just one day slower. Basically, mafia doesn't actually have much incentive for getting a mislynch on town instead of lynching scum; in fact, lynching town means that there's one less townie for the next two lynches (which increases town's lynch percentage). Trfel is somehow arguing that scum would have let scum die, rather than try to divert the lynch onto town. | ||
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On July 21 2015 20:13 rsoultin wrote: um... not really? ruxx's argument was that scum should have hammered me if i were town? all truffle is saying is there's actually not a huge incentive for scum to do that over a no-lynch case and point: ows...had he been any sooner you would have lynched me yesterday regardless, your scumteam doesn't work, clarity. you seem to be running out of scumreads lol >< you're saying that i would deliberately divert attention onto ebh if we're both scum...or that wave would hammer me if we're both scum (have you not caught up yet)? like legitimately the only way this works is if ebh, wave and i are all scum which is one heck of a shit show but not technically impossible, except for my role pm xP you think bf is still town after he was lurking and letting a no-lynch happen? i don't see how you can look at yesterday's lynch and come to these conclusions, frankly, and unlike bf you're a pretty rational player Pretty much true, yes. I'll do some work later in the day. I'm obviously wrong somewhere. Maybe I'm being stubborn on bf. | ||
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On July 21 2015 21:05 Oatsmaster wrote: seems like you have a lack of scumreads mate. You say this like it means something "mate" | ||
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On July 21 2015 21:39 Oatsmaster wrote: So you think that not knowing who is mafia in lylo means nothing. Ok then. Also, if you think rsoul is mafia, then why do you care about her read regarding trfel. I haven't thought rsoul was at any point really. I kinda got to it as poe and even then I figured one of my townreads must be wrong. | ||
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We lose the game if one of the following is scum: Oats HtS WoS HtS So let me just focus on the rest. Apparently people are reading EBH's martyr as town. Can someone explain this? | ||
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On July 21 2015 22:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Why do you list hts twice, and why is WoS town??? And why am I town??? I have hts twice because I'm trying to trick you into double negativing her into a scumread, or maybe I just made a mistake, yes? I've explained my townread on you half a dozen times. Why is EBH's martyring town? | ||
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On July 21 2015 22:28 Oatsmaster wrote: You wont lynch rsoul today clarity? I dunno. At the moment I would say no I would not. We'll see when I spend time on the game tonight | ||
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On July 21 2015 23:03 rsoultin wrote: Because for his martyr to make sense as scum he would have to be protecting you and even though I think you're scum I think he'ssmart enough to realize that if he doesn't vote you to save himself and then flips scum, we lynch you next phase anyway. Best scum play there is to just lynch his scummate. There's like absolutely no scum motivation for him not to lynch you otherwise. Do you disagree? So what's the town motivation exactly? Why can't he be scum that knows I'll get lynched afterwards when he flips red? | ||
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On July 21 2015 23:11 Clarity_nl wrote: So what's the town motivation exactly? Why can't he be scum that knows I'll get lynched afterwards when he flips red? NVM he could just lynch me instead, gotcha now. I agree EBH is town. | ||
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On July 21 2015 23:39 rsoultin wrote: Townreading most of the rest of the game? I've got it narrowed down to four. This sucks. Why do I not get a townread? Anyway nothing I can do about that, I'm having the same issues with you I guess. We'll see where I'm at tonight >.< | ||
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On July 21 2015 23:44 Oatsmaster wrote: did you or anyone really townread ows? Cause I think its really weird he got killed. Yeah. If he was scum then he would have been carrying kp, so if you believed breshke claim you should have believed ows was town. | ||
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I'm not sold on bf being scum, I'm more curious why rsoultin went from having me like 4th 5th on her list to the top of her list, even though I've done nothing inbetween those moments. | ||
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On July 22 2015 00:24 boxerfred wrote: claritys post implies two things. a) he's considering lynching me, no great news, b) he's putting light pressure on rsoul which i see as a foolish bus attempt. if we're not lynching between rsoul and clarity we're dead. If anything your posts piss me off because of how full of holes they have been all game. Maybe take a logic class, stop jumping to ridiculous conclusions. More to come post game. | ||
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On July 22 2015 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote: +wave +me +hts So basically, trfel and rux are mafia. And no one else. We arent supposed to lynch you today huh. Reading comprehension must be hard. Anyway, as per my win condition I gotta try and lynch bf and hope he's scum, so placing my vote there and you guys can decide. Don't see the point in putting in more effort ##Vote boxerfred | ||
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On July 22 2015 02:49 rsoultin wrote: I don't understand this mentality? If you think i'm scum and bf is voting for me as it is why would you just give up here? Because bf is gonna lynch me eventually so either he dies and flips red or town loses. I don't see the point in prolonging it. | ||
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You are simply not willing to consider anything that contradicts what you've said to that point, it's been the only consistent thing about you this game. I'm not willing to vote rsoultin, hope she's scum, and push her as hard as I can just so you can lynch me the day after or the day after that. We can't have any mislynches regardless of us lynching scum. So these are my options: - Convince you you're wrong - Lynch you and hope you're scum Seeing as only of these is reasonable, there is no choice. Like I said I'm not really bothered at this point. The afk townies have been very demoralizing. I wish I had the energy to fight tooth and nail for the next 24h but I do not. | ||
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On July 22 2015 04:01 boxerfred wrote: Ah right, all scum can carry KP. That makes it even more important to kill rsoul tonight. Why aren't you simply following that? OK apparently this is too hard for you to wrap your head around, so I'll explain it one more time. I don't think you're capable of changing your mind on me. I literally think you are incapable of that. That doesn't mean you're a bad person, or that you're dumb, but what it does mean is that town loses unless you are scum. I'd rather lose today than 120 hours from now. If we lynch rsoultin and she flips red we're still gonna be at mylo. If we then lynch trfel and he flips red we're still at mylo, and then you're still going to lynch me. I don't actually think you're scum, you literally just had another dumbtell regarding how scum kp works, but it doesn't matter. | ||
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On July 22 2015 04:28 boxerfred wrote: Also this again is an indicator for a scum hts. Nah, scum!hts would hammer a scumpartner in that situation (doesnt give town more lynches) and just ride towncred to victory. I believe she messed up on her phone and I believe it's alignment indicative -> she's town. Plenty of time to talk about this later. | ||
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However finding scum is pointless if you can't get anyone to listen to you, and antagonizing people does not help with that. | ||
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On July 22 2015 05:44 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: herding sheep is not a hobby im going to pursue unfortunately, ill leave that to others. Doesnt really interest me to try and get some of the biggest egos ive ever seen to change their mind on something A little hypocritcal don't you think? I don't know you and have had no interactions with you at all other than this game, yet you strike me as someone with a massive ego. I have an ego myself I admit, although I try to be open-minded. Maybe you should start doing post-game analysis and just hang out in obs qts if you're only in it for the scumhunting and ignore everything else. In any case if you're not gonna try to actually win the game and are only in it so that you can masturbate to your own posts after it turns out you were right, maybe there's not much point in talking down on other people? | ||
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On July 22 2015 05:54 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: So you thought a caricature of a spammy town player with an ego had an ego, excellent deduction :^) No it has to do with your most recent 3-4 posts, but you know that. Making awful posts doesn't actually accomplish anything. Do you wanna discuss anything game-related at all? We can continue this lovely discussion postgame if you like. We can braid each others hair too. | ||
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On July 22 2015 06:42 rsoultin wrote: yo, clar, so if you're town you know the game's already fucked, right? heh -_- Ye. If you're town I'm sorry. If you're scum you can die in a grease fire. I think you played well either way, nothing personal | ||
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On July 22 2015 07:15 rsoultin wrote: lol people want to lynch me for scumreading/fighting with hf is essentially what it comes down to so yeah, i think i've played alright this game...apart from that :/ i dunnae if i'd play it any differently? it's not like i tried to fight with him lol >< Nah I think you looked townie from the fights with hf (I realize I've changed my opinion on this often). I mean, I think you're probably capable of playing a good scumgame. Are you scum this game? Ugh, honestly it's hard to tell, take it as a compliment. If I had to put money on it I'd say you're town, although that's on your play alone, when it comes to poe... it's a toss up. | ||
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Trfel I dunno how you can say "why would rsoultin pocket me since I was gonna be afk all game" which is actually the BEST reason to pocket you since you'll be around at lylo. rsoultin: Do you really think bf fakes TWO dumbtells this game? He had no idea how scum kp worked. If I'm right about anything this game it's that bf is town. | ||
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I'm just pointing out the bf thing cause I saw you go "I'm not sure about bf" when he should be townread. I suspect that you are wrong about trfel, for what it's worth. I agree on your questioning of ruxx, too | ||
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Nothing he has done is showing a town mentality yet we're on d6. He was completely afk until I made my big post where he was scum due to poe. End case. Honestly I think with your super hard townread on trfel you've stopped people from looking at him properly. The problem is that you have this townread on him that I can't make sense of. | ||
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On July 22 2015 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote: The problem with your read rsoul is that you and trfel are both mafia, nobody can verify what you are talking about. That's what's been bugging me actually. And trfel has been super scummy other than the part where he bitched about out of game stuff. Once again proving you don't read the game as I made this point like 72 hours ago. | ||
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On July 22 2015 23:09 rsoultin wrote: Lol...well that case isn't really a case, is it? I would lynch you, ruxx or wave today. I've been clear on all my reads and why. I'm not as certain on bf as you but I think he's less likely to flip scum than the other three. My townread on truffle is based on knowing how he thinks and knowing for a fact.that he can't replicate that thought process as scum. I've played in almost every game he has and i've had an early read on him since like our 3Rd/4th game together But frankly if your case can't compete with my toneread it means you have a weak-ass case, especially when i've been skinhead so much this game Not that I mind but you really are talking to me like I'm town. Just want to point it out to anyone who still cares. | ||
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On July 22 2015 23:33 rsoultin wrote: Lol not sure how you're getting that and i'm talking to you like I could be wrong and don't want to lose today regardless. But whatever. Flail around and continue to point out things that mean nothing I will | ||
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On July 23 2015 02:09 rsoultin wrote: No i'm not lynching truffle. -_- Show me how i'm wrong on him What's the point if you're not gonna lynch him? Your whole read is this unexplained toneread thing, or you've picked up on something that you're not explaining, or you're scum with him and you feel you can't change your view on him now. | ||
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On July 23 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote: why? yes this is true, but why when mafia can get a mislynch and preserve 2kp for at least two more cycles? it's moot anyway because i'm town -_- look, clarity, if you've got a good reason i'll consider it? I know not infallible, but thus far all you've really said is his activity picked up when you had him in your scumreads? so? why couldn't he do that as town? why is it scummy now but him still not doing much early game despite the.scumreads not being considered? you said he didn't have a town mindset...which posts are you talking about? All of them. Like read his filter and tell me where it appears he is thinking about the game or changing his mind based on new information. Look rsoultin either you're town and you'll figure it out or you're not and congrats you won, you should probably just stop posting either way. If you're town and as competent as you appear to be you should be able to figure out that I'm town. | ||
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On July 23 2015 02:45 rsoultin wrote: Lol the you're too good for this argument. Nice one clarity. I'll look at his filter if I have time after class, but you'd do better to pull specific posts and explain why that's not a town thought process. No scum player has a filter full entirely of scummy posts that's ridiculous It's not the specific scummy post, it's the lack of a townie thought process. But yeah I'll pull up some posts for you in a bit when I have a 5 min break | ||
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On July 23 2015 02:46 Trfel wrote: How about the part where you said I wasn't all that scummy, but had to be scum due to POE? Clarity_nl's filter is riddled with inconsistencies like this. Changing my mind != inconsistencies. Although I'd love you to quote the post where I say you're not scummy. I've basically been sheeping rsoultin's read regarding you, but things are different at this point as it appears you've read the whole game and still have nothing to say. Also inconsistencies != scummy, but it's okay | ||
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On July 23 2015 03:09 Trfel wrote: Based on all of the examples I found, no, I don't. I can understand it when it's one, or two, or three. But not when there are so many more, and not when they always seem to benefit Clarity_nl. Yes, I do appear to be in quite the beneficial situation. Please tell me how what I've done has benefited me in the slightest :D #vote trfel | ||
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On July 23 2015 03:29 Clarity_nl wrote: Also to point out how you were just saying things to appear as if you have an actual reason for voting me other than your win condition being that oyu want town dead. | ||
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I was just saying things, I did not know they had to be true | ||
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On July 23 2015 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote: In no way are you the victim here. It doesn't matter what clarity thinks. Any push which has traction he's gonna go for it. What do the rest of the players think? Oats MVP | ||
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On July 23 2015 03:42 Half the Sky wrote: Trfel is a case-based poster, not conversational, he would do this as either alignment. From my own experience he's done it as town. Okay here's the thing, the lynch on me is practically locked, kinda, right? Like it's gonna be hard to not lynch me. Here comes trfel, giving entirely different reasons than anyone else for why I'm scum, but when asked he can't back it up, even from memory he should be able to go "I remember something along the lines of X happening". But he can't, this is because he made up the reasons. Why would town do this? Town would not do this. So either you believe that trfel is scum and he is bussing me, or you believe trfel is scum and he made a huge mistake by posting anything at all. What I don't see is how you could believe that trfel is town doing this. | ||
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Also all of these things are day 1, yet you somehow only picked up on scumreading me after I started pushing for your lynch, sooooo scumface! | ||
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Ez game. | ||
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On July 23 2015 05:00 boxerfred wrote: Given how ad hom you went on me and how emotional you got before it feels really strange how you seem to fade away now. How is that weird? | ||
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On July 23 2015 06:24 Half the Sky wrote: How would you feel if someone asked you if you wanted to lynch Wave? Sure. Let's lynch wave | ||
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Ruxx played well I think. Honestly, WoS should have been modkilled :/ but maybe I'm just upset because he ended up being scum. wp guys. bf you need to listen to reason. | ||
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On July 23 2015 07:08 Half the Sky wrote: I was certainly not faultless at all this game, don't get me wrong, but there were definitely aspects of this game that downright were frustrating and that's even before I had to leave home last weekend. Do you reckon I post too much? Obviously the last few days I posted more and they were all smaller, but before that point I feel I did not. | ||
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On July 23 2015 07:13 rsoultin wrote: lol >> ows, if you think my normal play is nonsensical you just don't understand where my head is at there are pretty good indicators for my being scum...but "nonsensical" posting isn't one of them...hf's later case on me was good. his initial one was shit and made it easy to take advantage of because he was obviously not paying attention to/manipulating the context anywho, gg everyone, and i'm so happy this is over lol >< also, sorry clar...i'd love to play with you when we're both town. you made me feel awfully guilty (hts too) with a lot of your posts this game lol >< Haha, honestly that was the point. I was trying to guilt people in lynching you over me. I think you played well, I got super frustrated as I KNEW that I wouldn't be able to convince bf that I was town no matter how hard I worked | ||
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I feel I played decently, obviously wrong on scum but I thought I looked townie. Like really, my first two posts look scummy? Just wanted to start a discussion. | ||
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And then he yelled from the rooftops to not lynch WoS I probably shoulda kept on WoS d1 but I did kinda like his "whatever, I think he's town" attitude. His townread on me wasn't that damning regardless since I really felt my first posts weren't that bad :D | ||
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On July 23 2015 08:27 Half the Sky wrote: Anyhow, I wanted to give BH a shoutout for hosting and especially his kick ass flavour. Much <3. +1 I also think you played well HtS. Obviously the nolynch sucked and you somehow couldn't find a rsoultin scumread but your posts were well constructed and you were very clearly town in my eyes. Looking townie is half of what mafia is about, if more people mastered it the game would be easier. | ||
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On July 23 2015 08:29 rsoultin wrote: agreed, and it was a huge part of what made you lynchable, clar Yep. Although if you look at how my lynch happened no one actually had any reasons for me being scum, which is sad. | ||
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On July 23 2015 08:28 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: I just refuse to play in any more games with it because people just end up kissing your ass and the game is pathetic at that point. You should have been lynched but instead -redacted- doesnt want to kill you cause girl. its clear as day but whatever im just done with it ^^ This is kinda pathetic if you believe this. | ||
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- ritoky's claim was not necesarry at the time he probably could have diverted the lynch - milo's claim was the same, although he was in more danger of actually being lynched as the day was closer to coming to an end. - Two scum roleblockers: I don't have a balance problem with this, but it really screwed town over since scum HAPPENED to have two roleblockers and town HAPPENED to have two claimed cops, it was basically impossible to lynch outside of ritoky/milo, it only happened due to the track. So although geript tracked scum which was obviously great, this made the next lynch between two cops which really really sucks. The next night HF is defending himself against TWO whole people who call him scum, and then after the flips when two people vote for him he freaks out and martyrs. Don't get me wrong I sympathize with having irl issues but it just didn't work out for town. I wish I had had the balls to move the lynch away from HF as I could have made it happen, but a combination of anger and doubt made me stick to him "in case he's scum". So suddenly we're 3 days later (9 actual days) and it's tough to recover from 9 days of not much going on. | ||
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On July 23 2015 08:40 rsoultin wrote: lolol yeah if town hadn't outed all their roles we probably would have been roflstomped (and yes, bresh >> my problem with legacies is it really is a natural extension of when i feel i'm going to be nkd rather than something i just /do/ so they slip past me when i'm scum more than they should xP that is an objective way to read me that will be true most of the time and i wouldn't blame anyone for mislynching me for not doing it >< even if it makes me do more work lol) To be fair I tossed aside the legacy thing as you were clearly not getting nightkilled if you were town. Then I give townies hard townreads and they call me 100% scum, basically telling me I can't win the game unless I spend the next 9 days working my ass off, and I didn't have it in me. | ||
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On July 23 2015 08:45 Holyflare wrote: I mean like... what kind of mafia player have you ever seen that did what I did? I think it's overwhelmingly low/0? Especially when people tell you i'm some kind of amazing player at mafia lol? Honestly I see scum martyr all the time. You did it like 3 times that day. Only the second half of that day did you start looking townie again and at that point I was fed up. It's my fault for not overcoming that, but you can't say it's all my fault and none of yours. edit: Also the fact that you flipped on me and called me scum made me not want to keep you alive, I'll be honest | ||
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It's all good, my thinking during that day wasn't what it should've been, I hope I get to play in a game with you again HF. | ||
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On July 23 2015 09:23 rsoultin wrote: signed up but i'm kind of anticipating those fear!reads lol This is my life in voice mafia | ||
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On July 23 2015 09:34 rsoultin wrote: lol eh, it's one of my "tonereads" that i'm gonna get mislynched for again eventually i prefer to call them personality reads but people like to argue with me ^^ Yeah I will just lynch you for unexplained tonereads for the rest of my life. There was honestly not much redeeming in trfel's filter. Like I realize apparently you do this a lot but I'm sure that normally you manage to at least explain your read | ||
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On July 23 2015 09:35 Half the Sky wrote: Don't be surprised. Heh I was getting them already in Gaiden because of Not Themed from BF/HF and I think I'm pretty shit tier as both alignments >_< This makes me sad, if you feel like you're shit tier how am I ever gonna feel half decent at this game :D | ||
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On July 23 2015 10:54 Holyflare wrote: It definitely applies a lot. It's not an all woman thing since ya know, ninjabunnies gets lynched 10/10 times but it's one of those when you're friendly with people woman moments and the horny teenage man see's people as weak vulnerable females that could never be lying since they're too nice outside the game! I can see that a lot in people's play. :S Maybe I'm misinterpreting this? | ||
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On July 23 2015 11:04 Holyflare wrote: It's a simple fact of life, nothing stupid about it. Sure there are many forward thinking men that it doesn't apply to just as there are women that it doesn't apply to. That doesn't eliminate the fact that I've seen people's play affected by it. I'm not saying there is no relation between someone's gender and how you are treated by certain people. But it's certainly diminished seeing as we're playing a game played entirely in text? It's definitely not a reason to "not play with women again because they're treated differently" although I'm sure you agree on that account. | ||
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I don't think anyone is denying some people treat women different from men, that's just kinda the way it is, and seeing as this game is about people you have to take that into account. | ||
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rsoul 07-19-2015 05:19 PM ET (US) o.o you're shitting me...are they really lynching clarity? Glad I wasn't the only one shocked I nearly got lynched d5. | ||
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On July 24 2015 01:26 justanothertownie wrote: All vanilla games should be played more often - they are the best. Hosts probably refuse to do them because it is boring for them or something like that. Idk. But once blue roles are in the game you need to play to the odds and there are almost never 2 rbs. If milo had been very very towny I might have considered not lynching him but he wasn't. He was a question mark that needed to be eliminated to move on with the game. +1 It's difficult to justify after the fact because in order for milo to be scum he would claim roleblocked knowing that ritoky was getting roleblocked. Whereas faking a check would be better for him if he were scum. It simply didn't outweight his "scuminess" though. | ||
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Applying meta correctly is super difficult. I think HtS using bf's meta to show that he's town was accurate, and I should have picked up on rsoultin going "I dunno what ur talking about lol" | ||
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edit: which is the correct usage of meta. | ||
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On July 24 2015 02:50 marvellosity wrote: funny thing is rsoultin essentially gave ruxxar away as mafia if she ever flipped. Yeah she just flipped on him without explanation after I took pressure off ruxxar :s | ||
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On July 24 2015 05:58 rsoultin wrote: but i don't wanna post in here ;o; wut | ||
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I should not have gotten lynched :D ps: I read all the flavour BH, tis gud | ||
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