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Must be a lot of mafia in this game when you catch them while less than half the game didn't even post. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 06 2015 09:17 geript wrote: I'm not sure if you're right on Damdred. I'm sure you're wrong on wave. I agree about Ruxx. The big thing though is that you're wrong on Wave. He's town. He also likes to swear a lot when faced with suspicion, cause he thinks when he's being a dick to people they will believe he's town. The word that came to mind for his behaviour when confronted with accusations is wannabe cowboy. I imagine this guy in disguise chewing bubble gum and spewing his brown spit in his forced attempt to look like he fits in but even google knows the truth, geript looks more like this when he is trying to do that: Ever since he "found the two scum" the other guy he's been bitching about is Oats when it sort of fit in with the thread sentiment. ##Vote: geript | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:03 Palmar wrote: I don't necessarily think being inconsistent/bad makes geript scum. It wasn't really a case just pointing it out. Why post it then? You already | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:05 Holyflare wrote: lol i don't see a game where trfel has ever posted nothing for so long and it's hilarious that people keep defending him for it You're wrong, there was a game where he was town and actually didn't post jack all day long until EoD. | ||
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I think it was his first normal after the game where I coached him. | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:10 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?user=Trfel if you're talking about carol that's the most disingenuous read ever In fact I don't have a read on him yet, just wanted to point out that there was one game where he was afk as town, but he was even more afk than he is in this game now that I'm looking at his filter. | ||
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We should kill geript for being a liar. | ||
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Posting useless drivel doesn't auto-mean somebody is scum, just that he wants to post useless drivel for some reason. Much better to look either into the nice guys a la Ruxxar (I'm suspicious of him by standard cause I feel he tries to be everybody's bro, but not willing to call him mafia yet given he also called some shit out that seemed original), and the "too-tryhard-to-be-really-scumhunting" guys a la geript who seems to imitate his ideal townie prototype who calls people mafia as if it was god given and tries to shit on everybody trying to look like he's a dick. | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:31 Harkon wrote: 1) Trfel has not started doing a little bit of something. 2) Posting useless drivel should also not make him more town to you. 3) Ruxxar seems pretty towny to me. 4) Geript is way more likely to be dick as town. Conclusion: I disagree with this post in it's entirety. It is astonishing. 1) He posted some scumreads. 2) No and it shouldn't make him mafia to anyone either. 3) The sky seems pretty green to me. 4) But is he likely to ignore his scumreads in a list and instead comment on two random people he didn't mention before to defend Wave and then the thing Palmar pointed out? | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:32 Holyflare wrote: then why on earth did you ever want to sheep trfel read in the first place?? This is the most bs post ever dude Didn't realize he started posting at least some reads when I wrote that. I basically assumed he only had 1 page of filter. | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:39 Holyflare wrote: If by forcing you to read him one way or another you mean presenting logical and well thought out facts that counter your made up heresay facts from carol that ended up not even being true then sure. logical and well thought out? Why don't you go kiss a mirror, meanwhile here's a picture of surgery. | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:48 Harkon wrote: Rsoultin and HF. Please stop shitting up the thread with this unless you have new relevant arguments about someones alignment. Yes, it is weird how dismissive and condescending Holyflare is towards you, rsoultin. I am well aware of that. But instead of ranting about it try to find actual arguments for why what he says about Trfel is not true. If you are town you are not achieving anything by throwing a fit. HF stop trying to make her rage. It's the best excuse for her to avoid contributing meaningful things. You are playing this game as if you were a referee: From the sidelines. Time to get your hands dirty, you aren't pushing anything, just commenting on anything that passes by. | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:50 KelsierSC wrote: i mean it wasn't that crazy, could have been important and it was better than watching marv and oats have a dick measuring contest. I assume it would be a pretty close outcome, so nothing boring about that. | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:41 Holyflare wrote: yeh what a useless post again Might I add you said this one minute after it has been posted so you didn't even finish reading it, and you can't convince me that you have some sick fast-reading skills. | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:56 Holyflare wrote: I'm not sure how my posts in between are relevant at all since i'm not defending the stance that I was a dick. I'm saying I had a purpose and you repeatedly spewed tmi or an inability to see the direction of where things were going. If your read is null and someone is pushing something then I have no idea why you'd go in the opposite direction and defend them when your read is null. Cause you force people to defend their null reads by shitting on them when they don't accept your arguments. And trying to argue against what you say about someone = Defense of that someone, even though it wasn't intended as that in the first place. Somebody just wanted to tell you that it didn't make that someone mafia in their eyes, not that they're sure the guy is town. | ||
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Can we talk about geript? Or Damdred. I actually didn't like the way Damdred tried to bait LS into saying something damning earlier and then turned it into a scumread. It's not bad per se as it's a legit town strategy but my feels tingled with malicious intentions given that I don't get a scummy feeling from LS. | ||
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I feel comfy calling you town for it though. | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:05 Holyflare wrote: geript has done nothing and has posted reads that don't make sense and are unexplained, it means nothing it's geript damdred focusing on ls so much is very weird but damdred's other scum reads are good and i'm waiting for his list of town reads ruxxar is so totally different from the last game i have no idea how people can scum read him ls has done nothing scummy yet to be scum read WOW HF, you actually respected somebody's wishes, that's great. High five. I'm gonna bookmark this post for not being about Trfel or rso, way more informative so far. I'll go on a slight tirade how the point about this game is about finding people who are acting and those who recognize or want to recognize people who are just acting, and how geript is one of the actors and not an actor-hunger. I'll take your word on Ruxxar for now given I don't know the guy. I just have that mafia game in my mind with a RoL, Lazermonkey and risk.nuke lylo where LM was the mafia, and he was probably the nicest guy in the game, always trying to be on the right side of things. Ruxxar's style reminds me a bit of that,. | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:15 Half the Sky wrote: geript has done this as mafia - the read on sandroba in JOAT is what comes to mind when they were both mafia, not to mention he has gotten mislynched before when people don't understand him - there was Carnaval and also NSM11... And I don't know how you can say ruxxar "is so totally different" when in last game he replaced in and he could play the way he did partially because he replaced in. I'm not saying that in of itself makes him one alignment or another but I think the basis for your comparison is flawed. Also, Ras did make a good point on him on the LS quote "lynching for bad reasons" and I see the phrasing from ruxxar like "how are you not explaining yourself in a clear and concise manner," etc etc it is just like some of the phrasing he DID use last game as mafia. Granted, maybe I have to read his NSM11 game one more time since I thought he was mafia from the obs qt, he didn't do a great job for himself in that game. But some of hte things he says I do get a feel that he tries to turn things around on people. If he does that as town or did that as town in NSM, then different criteria should be used to evaluate him. This post is really great for its objectivity, just sayin. | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:17 Half the Sky wrote: What phrase/words struck you as "bait" (or loaded, etc)? I remember reading his questioning and he's been on about LS I think for most of his time in game? Yeah the way it built up felt to me like he was looking for reasons to scumread him. I know how shitty that sounds cause ti's what this game it's about but the way he was going on about it felt like he was just looking for a weak spot in order to find some reasons for the sake of it. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:15 Damdred wrote: Ls and I have interactions like that early in every game because he has tells that he refuses to change for the most part in his meta, or just doesn't care as scum. I'm pretty good at reading him myself. But if that's your way of doing that, I'll take you by your word. Then I still wonder why we reach different conclusions. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:15 Vivax wrote: If ritoky is scum clarity is as well cause it's the only thing he commented about on now that he's back. Such a shift in attention isn't justified based on clarity's former suspects. In fact I'll take the conditional away and just ask why ritoky is suddenly so important in clarity's eyes. Cause the only reason I see for such a change is that he's the main wagon. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:17 ritoky wrote: It is majority lynch, halfway to a majority; no point in risking it. I am a low priority rb/nk at this point so bullets and abilities wasted on me is as beneficial to the town as a check. Plus pregnant wife close to giving birth and not caring about wanting to defend myself. Somehow in every game your wife is always an argument, I think it's time she starts playing mafia. | ||
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On July 07 2015 06:29 Damdred wrote: Ehhhhh. I'm kinda torn on the claim honestly, like if you look at one of the titanic games where rit was a medic he did an excellent job not claiming until super late in the game. And he generally doesn't claim much and hates claiming from my experience with him, the only game I can think of when hes claimed super early was when he was the mass healing doctor in that theme'd game. I could see town rit doing it, scum rit likes to take things serious and contribute least amount as possible and see how he can skate by on things. So I could see it coming from either alignment. I don't think I would lynch him today and risk it though. Definitely not lynching him you mean | ||
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On July 07 2015 06:37 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure that matters so much to me exactly, I just looked at the op about the 1 shot mechanic. Why should it give me more pause Id just expect a fakeclaim to be more generic, whereas the mechanic he mentions is more specific, might be falling into the host wifom trap here so better to disregard i suppose | ||
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On July 07 2015 06:48 Harkon wrote: Why would a fakeclaim be more generic? 1-shot is the best fakeclaim. Yeah makes sense, I was wrong, carry on | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:51 scott31337 wrote: What do you think about Obi's shit vote? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but would he really try that as scum? Marv only has this one post. Marv isn't looking good and we know how much he loves rolling mafia. Marv looks worse than HF right now. hmmm On July 06 2015 09:36 scott31337 wrote: No, you misunderstood here. Marv usually does a bit more as town then his one post - he's probably waiting for his buddy Palmar - they love to interact - I'm not caring for Marv. HF has a slight townlean for now, I liked his first post (although it could have been pre-made, I had a mindmeld with it) I don't really follow what this guy's opinion on marv was. In the first post it looks like he wants to incite suspicion and in the second he emphasizes he didn't really care about it. | ||
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On July 07 2015 16:28 geript wrote: Like that's at least the second time he's read something completely wrong in addition to taking things out of context. He's a quite decent lynch as well. In fact I was reading in context and that post is written so badly Kelsier had to ask again as well (wanna lynch him too?), and I see no other version that makes sense. | ||
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On July 07 2015 16:39 geript wrote: Seems quite clear. Kelsier's all like, "LOL WUT??? U LIKE MARV'S BIG GAY DICK?" Scott's all like, "U RED DAT RONG BITCH. I DON'T LIKE MARV BUT HE MAY BE WAITING FOR PALMER." I understand that english isn't your first language. But your comprehension is terrible. Somehow you thought Oats was the thread sentiment when I pushed him. Now you're trying to make a case where there's literally nothing there. You're completely divorced from any sort of actual reality. I'm just trying to figure out if you're a few nuts short of a fruitcake or if you're plain old mafia. Either way, you're a detriment. fixed for prettiness Meanwhile, you left the point of posting this out of that equation: Marv only has this one post. Marv isn't looking good and we know how much he loves rolling mafia. Marv looks worse than HF right now. hmmm Tell me how it fits in with what he says afterwards, Sherlock. | ||
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On July 07 2015 16:50 geript wrote: It's pretty clear. In the first he's talking about Marv lacking impetus to post/play as mafia. In the second he's saying maybe Marv is town wants to have fun with Palmer instead of other shit. But Scott is clear that he still doesn't like the low activity. They're conflicting thoughts along the same line. It's not Marv clearly 100% mafia then Marv clearly maybe 50% mafia. It's, "I don't like Marv's low activity and that makes me think he's mafia but maybe he just wants to be chill this game instead of 20p filters. This isn't rocket science. This is what you say in your odd confidence, not what he said. You also leave out the part from the second post where he said he didn't care about marv previously but the first post is formulated as if. | ||
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He didn't do jack all to push something. As town he should compose a certain threat level to scum players but i I were scum this game I would just assume he's a docile sheep that won't hurt me, simply cause he'd be on my team. There's a bit of questioning there, a few townreads here, an angry vote on HF somewhere, but I totallly don't get a vibe of ambition to find the mafia from his posts. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:59 Half the Sky wrote: Are you still getting the same scum vibes from Damdred? Dunno have to read him in his entirety. For now I'd like to ask why we're voting the claimed cop. | ||
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I saw no elaboration on his scott scumread and the talk about LS looks like he just needed that read to have something to talk about. His HF suspicion fell into the water as well. Instead what we get are a bunch of apologetic posts and empty promises. | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:07 Half the Sky wrote: The behaviour imo doesn't back his claim up, the point was also made that 1-shot anything is an easy claim to make. If you look at his reads throughout all of day 1, he presents two lists of reads (ls/milo/x) and then of those scumreading him (damdred, ksc,myself and a 4th) and just assumes soemone on there is scum profiting off a bad read which in of itself ISN'T a bad thing however, you'd be expecting some follow through on those initial reads. He was asked if he had any scumreads and he apparently didn't have any and he scumread and dropped OWS - at this point it's not clear where his scumreads are in the game. He did post he'd be on low activity and I can appreciate that with RL but he doesn't need a 20 page filter to make a shortlist of top scumreads. The arguments on Trfel are similar given he also has two reads he didn't really follow through with, AND he didn't claim a role that's gonna get confirmed or not by his survival over the nights. Killing ritoky feels like an unnecessary risk. It's irrational imo. | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:31 Harkon wrote: 1) Trfel has not started doing a little bit of something. 2) Posting useless drivel should also not make him more town to you. 3) Ruxxar seems pretty towny to me. 4) Geript is way more likely to be dick as town. Conclusion: I disagree with this post in it's entirety. It is astonishing. Harkon I remember you being very keen on arguing against me on why I'm not scumreading Trfel and yet what your filter lacks is precisely that, at this point. What's your read on the dude? | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:25 Harkon wrote: I still have no problem with lynching him. No idea why HF changed his mind about him. Why the strong preference for ritoky then? | ||
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IS it hard to understand that I think he's exaggerating some aspects of his play to try looking more townie? | ||
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The moment you started arguing about why it doesn't matter if ritoky claimed cop (which tells me that between two people you now say have equal preference you prefer the guy claiming), plus the lack of Trfel in your filter. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No, I don't really think so. Martyring almost always comes from town. And you point this out to push what lynch instead? | ||
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We're in for some action when the afk guys atually write some bullshit to justify an EoD vote. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:06 Clarity_nl wrote: Who do you want to lynch Vivax? Assume geript is off the table Trfel? I thought it was obvious. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:18 geript wrote: Basically here's the wagon options. If you're not on one of these, then you're not helping/mafia: 1. Ritoky--Of the claims, he's my preferred lynch. Plus he'll do anything as any alignment re: claiming. But I think he might be town from a few posts he's made 2. Damdred--Not playing his town game whatsoever. Maybe he's busy. Maybe he's trying new things. Maybe his wife's pregnant. Maybe his wife got shot again. IDK. But he's really off imo. 3. Rsoultina--I don't have a great read on her. HF thinks she's scum. I don't have a reason to townread her. 4. Bill Murray--A good D1 lynch if we can't find something better. He's been exceptionally useless and usually he says at least 1 interesting thing as town. What is this trash. Rso is town, BM claimed, ritoky claimed and you think he's town anyway. And why is Damdred not playing his town game? You or Trfel are the best options. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hi fam I'm here, let me read thread and shit Would shenanny onto this poo | ||
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Sound cattle logic | ||
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On July 08 2015 07:08 geript wrote: Vivax buying the claim so hard is rather interesting though. I'm not lynching into claimers cause I don't have the brain of pteropods, don't put into my mouth that I was 100 % sure the claim was real. | ||
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Also want to point out that Obi is likely to be town, if you have another opinion it would be cool to step forward. | ||
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On July 08 2015 15:54 Clarity_nl wrote: Here's how I remember the last hour of day 1. So I sheeped marv onto ritoky. I was fine with the lynch but I was wondering if maybe keeping him alive to hinder scum in case he's town was a good play, but as marv said it's probably not enough, combined with no real better realistic options in my mind after some thought I agreed and hopped aboard the ritoky train. I come back and it's about 45min to lynch time (I expected it to be 1h45m but I'm dumb I guess) I see MZ has voted me and said nothing, I'm quickly reading through the thread and figure that although there is a good chance there's scum between the cop claims, that will partially resolve itself through the night so with a better lynch on the the table I get on it. MZ actually starts posting and explaining he forgot the game started etc etc I don't remember what it was but I kinda believed him, then someone pointed out that he had to type /confirm and I went oh, well he's scum then kill it with fire. Someone else pointed out the /confirm was 30/06 and then I kinda waffled on him but stuck to it. I don't remember who brought it up but someone pointed out a BM lynch is pretty similar to an MZ lynch, and I figured between the two I'd rather have someone who will have to contribute from now on compared to someone who is just always going to be a lurker lynch. In my memory all my vote-switches make tons of sense, so I don't quite see what the issue is? Pretty formulaic explanation and also disregards BM's claim entirely. Not impressed here. | ||
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+ All of this distracts me from killing geript, WoS and possibly Trfel. | ||
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On July 08 2015 18:53 marvellosity wrote: yeah i dunno if i want to lynch him. i just think these townreads/leans for what he did when he came back are fucking absurd. Obi seems pretty prone to eat that type of bait this game, it left me suspicious actually. But latest tone suggests he really believes that wifom. | ||
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On July 08 2015 19:01 marvellosity wrote: do you think MZ's read on you is reasonable, Vivax? If it's fake he certainly faked the progression well, doesn't seem particularly illegitimate. | ||
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On July 08 2015 19:08 marvellosity wrote: you agree you've been playing like a jackass then? only god can judge me - charlie murphy | ||
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On July 08 2015 19:20 marvellosity wrote: Vivax why aren't you suspicious of me at all? I'm afraid of you on D1s. Now that it's night I have the balls to talk to you | ||
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On July 08 2015 19:35 boxerfred wrote: absolutely nothing happened that would move my scum reads. though thread attention shifted. also I don't like Kelsier. Leaning scum (tone thing, also he contributed way more when in Himalayas). would insta-lynch clarity Tell me a story about Oats bussing clarity pls | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:54 boxerfred wrote: Oats still has not delivered anything useful by the way. Only responding, derailing, not throwing in anything that would bringt town any further. I have a hard time wrapping my head around this given that he has been pushing another scumread of yours. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:05 boxerfred wrote: So let me just throw out that I'm really unsure about HtS and KSC's alignments. I remember Kelsier being way more active and way better as town in the (one..) game I played with him. And I remember that HtS pretty much had the same "I post long posts without pushing too hard" tone in the game where she was scum. ritoky's claim is weak af, I'd prefer to lynch between Oats and Clarity, who are my top scum reads. I'm fine with lynching ritoky if the majority goes for him though. WoS is also fine. On July 08 2015 02:46 boxerfred wrote: I'm saying we lynch Oats over ritoky because Oats is actively throwing more trash in the thread. On July 08 2015 04:55 boxerfred wrote: I don't think I'll vote for ritoky today. Said before why (not lynching un-cc'ed blue claim if I have other reads). This is also noteworthy. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:56 boxerfred wrote: I do absolutely not understand the town lean in breshke, clarity and LS. Why don't you notice he's also townreading Oats here? | ||
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oats - I liked the xp read on rsoul initially, been up in people's face Might be you bought this as a legitimiate explanation. Even if you didn't you can argue that you did, however Kelsier also explained his clarity read in the same post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=52#1026), so why understand one and not the other? Clarity - The initial posts weren't great but perhaps he was just excited to play, I really liked his scum read on WoS, he had pressure on him but he scumread the one guy sort of townreading him out of nowhere that felt really good. since then his posting has been solid, comments about trefl and bf seem alright. | ||
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On July 08 2015 20:20 boxerfred wrote: Because that's what I do when I get frustrated over afk lynches that flip town when there's way better people to lynch. Noballs town. Nope. I'm fine with lynching ritoky if the majority goes for him though. So the frustration argument doesn't hold water. | ||
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This day is pretty much autopilot so don't feel like doing much. Just gonna slap my vote where it belongs. | ||
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On July 10 2015 19:06 marvellosity wrote: you know you might get lynched if you don't find some energy from somewhere at some point, right? I'm aware of that but sometimes the threat of getting lynched really gets me going. You're so nice this game marvy. | ||
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A lot of your points is that I have no followup on things, that's true, cause when I don't find resonance on a player for something I found suspicious I just move on and look elsewhere for something that convinces more people. And at the time I posted those maybe 2 other people were scumreading geript, and everybody except you didn't seem interested in what I wrote about Damdred. I don't try to push myself into the foreground to lynch a single player if my best arguments weren't perceived as strong or interesting in the first place, especially not on D1. | ||
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A good case is rather based on showing that somebody has opinions he shouldn't have, where they conflict with things he said earlier. That's what Damdred fell for on the D1 of the game where he won cause I got mislynched. He was praising some dude who had some townreads that were Damdred's scumreads etc. | ||
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On July 11 2015 04:50 Half the Sky wrote: That's sort of the point I was trying to progress with the first half of my case. The parts about geript and Damdred. For geript he clarified his stance. At that time why did you still want to kill him? I'll try and break this down for you - when I was reading your filter he is clarifying himself and then you go to say "I don't want to distract from killing geript, etc etc" (paraphrasing, see the quote I posted AFTER my case) so that tells me you are still very much wanting to lynch him then. Shouldn't your opinion have changed? Or did you have a reason at that time it did not? That is what I was driving at. I was of the opinion that geript was exaggerating aspects of his play on purpose to look more townie (confidence, dickishness), I called him a liar for that, not for anything specific. Just that scum=liars/actors. On July 11 2015 05:01 Half the Sky wrote: So now that you are on board with lynching Damdred, etc. Where do you stand on the rest? If you assume there's 1-2 within the claims, do you even have a hunch of where other scumreads could be? I assume WoS and MZ are (still??) on your list, if they are not then whom? They're both on ice, I didn't even reread them so far cause I see no reason to. Doing work and posting cases at this point is at best good for burying what I write under the pile of what's incoming given that today's lynch is already decided. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:31 KelsierSC wrote: Vivax , what do you think of boxer at this point? Only what I've pointed out already. I didn't quite believe his answer when I confronted him with the matter. The core point is that he used something that happened later as a justification for something he did earlier. Yeah it was about his frustration with the ritoky lynch when earlier he said he was fine with it, also how much he waffled on the validity of the claim. First he said it was weak af then he said he wouldn't lynch him because of it. | ||
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On July 11 2015 06:06 ruXxar wrote: @Vivax. I'm really curious what you meant with this quote: It seems like you're somehow sad that an opportunity to jump on a trfel scum train went away. This was the last time you mentioned trfel in your filter and it was N1. HF said Trfel afk = bad. I said (or at least thought) "well it's early and he posted a few reads, let's see what he does later", then EoD 1 I wasn't happy with him and HF somehow lost interest, so opposite reactions. What do you think Dam will flip? | ||
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On July 11 2015 06:35 ruXxar wrote: I think damdred flips red. Damdred is playing totally different from the last game. Way too mellow for my taste. Your posts from earlier say something else. Entirely. | ||
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On July 11 2015 12:22 Holyflare wrote: I don't see how that's interesting since your defence was incredibly scummy. You said "oh he posted more than j remember i don't want to vote him" yet the scum read was because he posted a lot but said nothing. Hence your defence was scummy even if trfel was not to him. Well you can fuck off first of all with this cause when I was ready to vote for him you magically lost interest and now you make it an issue again. | ||
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When he still delivered nothing *at the end of the day* I was ready and you weren't for some reason. So go ahead and tell me what's more odd. | ||
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On July 11 2015 12:28 Holyflare wrote: Funny how time changes things isn't it? I don't see how this reaction is warranted in any way either since I'm talking about Scott's post and you've somehow made it about my independent trfel read. I scum read trfel for reasons. You jumped on the wagon. You then read trfel's filter and said you wouldn't lynch him because of the same reasons i wanted to lynch him in the first place. It was pretty scummy. It's a good read and has nothing to do with trfel's alignment. Changing opinion cause I saw something that made me think he might start playing properly isn't scummy. I missed his second page at first, and that's where he started posting some reads. | ||
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After and if he flips mafia and I actually go look at what happened I will | ||
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On July 11 2015 13:25 Oatsmaster wrote: No, explain now. It cant be that hard. You clearly had some idea. The idea is that mafia preferred BM over him if he's mafia. What is this? Rocket science? | ||
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On July 11 2015 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Explain who is mafia if MZ is mafia. Why didnt you post this after bm flipped? Dude are you fucking serious? I'm not gonna think about that before I even know what MZ is. | ||
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On July 11 2015 13:44 Oatsmaster wrote: So instead you are gonna fart around and do nothing. Ok. Asking others to do the work for you like you did the last two pages doesn't mean you're doing anything except being obnoxious. | ||
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Doc Bum pulled out a folder and held up a large picture of a person smiling with a name at the bottom of the photo. It said - HolyFlare- Geript looked at the photo and bum asked him "How does this picture make you feel" Geript shrugged and said "alright I guess". Doc bum nodded and jotted down some notes. He then pulled another large photo of a person smiling this one had marvelosity written at the bottom. "And how does this one make you feel geript?" Bum asked softly. Geript eyed up the pic and again shrugged. "I dont know. Im fine." he said with a bored look. "Hmmkay good good" doc bum said as he jotted in his notepad again. He once again pulled out a pic of a person smiling this time the name said BlazingHand and held it up to geript. Upon seeing the grinning Blazinghand person he started to twitch and turn red. the vein in his forehead began to tick as if keeping time. sweat poured out of geripts skin and he started to growl a deep guttural growl of primal anger. I was shocked at the amount of rage radiating from the center of the room. Doc Bum asked again "how does this pic make you feel geript" Geript Screamed a howling roar of a mad man who had just swan dived off the edge of sanity and flipped the table in front of him with a violent jerk. Geripts eyes rolled wildly in his head as gmarsh motioned to the back of the room and two orderlies in white coats stepped into the light behind him. I seen the name tags "Kush" and "Viscera" as the clamped their hands down on his back. Geript struggled against them and kush muttered. "Dont make me get the hose again" This only seemed to send geript into more spasms of rage. doc bum put the picture back in the folder and snapped it shut quickly, jotted some more stuff in his note pad and frowned. "as you can see" Gmarsh started "There is quite a bit of leftover hostility from previous mafia games in geripts mind that can become quite a problem as the anger stacks up, but we think we may have found the solution" he nodded at doc bum and said "begin post game behavior modification sequence." Bum walked over to a control panel and pushed a button. Gmarsh turned back around to me and started to speak again. "You see we have installed this bad behavior preventative measure into each of our spiffy tlmafia collars that will automatically engage at the end of every game to assure that there will never be any hard feelings left lingering from previous matches in the next round of mafia." Just then I heard a small mechanical whirling noise emitting from geript as a small shiny contraption folded out of the back of the collar. It looked like a tiny metal pen and sounded similar to one of those electric pencil sharpeners. The object poked into the back of the subjects head and began to whirl vigorously. | ||
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That's how easy this game can be. Deal with it | ||
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On July 12 2015 20:07 Breshke wrote: from my quick skim noone seems to mention my name when considering the lurkers so its probably a bad sign because when people remember i exist they will probs want to lynch me. Have you worked out how to read bluehunter vivax or is it just dope because you have no idea how to read him still? Not a very fleshed out read yet, but his posts give me the feeling that he wants to try to sound innocent. | ||
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His opinions aren't particularly controversial or novel, he doesn't post things that could get him into a fight with someone. There's some talk about night actions that doesn't seem relevant since it doesn't change his reads at all, and while I don't wanna argue if it's correct or not it just doesn't seem like something particularly relevant except that it gives him something to write. On July 09 2015 08:43 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: My only other aside from this that im trying to think about: if damdred indeed is mafia then that means mafia has 2 other members that they thought were better to carry KP. I would think damdred would be the ideal KP carrier in this situation where hes not that highly suspected but also a bit scummy so its not a complete loss if he gets figured out. Usually teams default to players like this to carry KP so im trying to think about this. oh well 48 hours. He's the lurkiest guy in the thread and posts too "clean" for my taste. | ||
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What do you think about this assumption? | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Should just do it now tbh. The downside of being wrong on an active player is always, always worse than killing someone that won't post and won't do things. Information lynches are spectacular and I love backing them, but there aren't that many despite the amount of associative reads being thrown around (which I, myself, put no stock into because associatives are hard to determine as a whole and most people get them wrong anyway) On July 08 2015 05:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: (Plus there's the fact that MZ threw his vote away on someone that was never getting lynched today for no reason, which was scummy.) Plus Ruxxar voted him without saying anything basically, and didn't say anything when rso voted for him as well. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:04 LightningStrike wrote: Okay so can someoen give me a run down why MZ is scum? This wagon seemed to formed to fast honestly. On July 08 2015 06:07 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I voting MZ for now because I don't want to get mod killed but he didn't exactly sya anything in his filter outside let me check the thread and shit. I have a bad feeling about this though because the wagon formed so fast :| This too but this dude has a role, now I'm not so sure the profile fits so well any more. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:43 scott31337 wrote: I'll switch if needed but I believe the wanderer claim without CC This is a post I really can't understand. He believes the claim but still wants to lynch? Meh. That's so illogical makes me think he only wanted to appease those who wanted BM. Damdred also decided to go for BM instead, for no apparent reasons. He didn't post much at all in that phase. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Nice misrep. I spent the later parts of day 1 defending ritoky and pushing MZ. I don't see how this is relevant anyway. You're pretty hissy given that my next post basically invalidated the one you quote. Maybe finish reading before you snap. | ||
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Also noticed he scumreads Trfel , MZ and milo at the same time. YET, he seems to keep Trfel in the back of his pockets in terms of interest and yet, in this post, he adresses him in a way that seems more confident into him being scum than into MZ or milo: On July 10 2015 15:14 scott31337 wrote: Are you serious? the person who claims at the slightest emotion of pressure fake-claimed? AHAHAHAHA I am so sick of him claiming on a breath of wind and hopefully he will learn one fucking day - because it does not help town being so panicky - I 99.9% believe the claim though - I believe you are grasping at straws. You seem to have read the thread though, or a summary in the ScumQT My impression at least when I compare it with his MZ and milo dialogue ##Vote scott | ||
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On July 13 2015 00:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I've been talking about scott forever. Scott is still a fantastic lynch I think. Are we really going to push that over a milo wagon today though? To be fair I don't find it too unlikely there are two cops. I do find it more unlikely that there are two roleblockers however. But it isn't that unlikely if it's all scum has, there's skill involved in sniffing out blues when they don't all claim on D1. | ||
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On July 13 2015 00:36 Harkon wrote: First of all that is exactly what he is doing and second of all that's the weakest reason ever. How about this: Why the hell does he claim another cop of all the roles? | ||
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On July 13 2015 00:57 Holyflare wrote: No i think they are all absolutely shit and look like potential busses where you all know he is mafia and point out posts that don't look like they are mafia posts or have mafia intentions at all. Ironically I think trfel made the best read on Scott and it looked quite good. I think you're pretty stupid then given he declared himself willing to lynch a guy he was 99 % sure was town. | ||
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On July 13 2015 01:18 Holyflare wrote: How does that make him mafia? Cause he had the opposite reaction I had when I also believed BM. He could try to convince people that BM is a bad lynch instead he goes "meh, ill vote him anyway for consolidation" which fits within a mafia not giving a shit who of the two gets lynched. | ||
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On July 13 2015 01:26 Holyflare wrote: Vivax what do you think? I think you're both town | ||
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On July 13 2015 01:38 Holyflare wrote: So then why doesn't she want to lynch me after everything she has been saying about me all game? Dunno, ask her. Could be a multitude of reasons. Try to beg to not be lynched and she will say yes, ask to be lynched and she will say no. Or maybe she doesn't want to piss off lawyers. | ||
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On July 13 2015 01:41 ruXxar wrote: This is a really strange post. Why does mafia say this? For the same reason you ask this. That post literally means nothing. We went through this already on D1. The reverse psychology shit | ||
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So I'd lynch into those three dudes (Blueh, Scott, Kelsier) and as for milo I'll need to think harder about him. | ||
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On July 13 2015 02:59 rsoultin wrote: i'd rather lynch scott of the three if we're not lynching milo lol >< i really have no opinion on blue at all, despite not liking his one post today but yeah geript saying he's va? that was the same impression i got...and i can never read him -_- the nk analysis thing that makes little sense and leads nowhere is kinda classic va If he's VA then he's mafia for sure for being so synthetic. Ruxxar I'm less worried about ause of his somewhat constant stream of activity. WoS had this one post where he complained about his motivation to play the game dropping off while reading that felt pretty genuine. That leaves Obi as for now my last worry given I remembered how he was so seemingly ecstatic about a wifomy post on D1 that I couldn't really believe he was. Scott kinda gets townie points for the remember this post thingy and the fact he only focused on my post about HF on re entrane. Would expet scum to be more whiny about my push, complain how I'm deflecting from milo and shit like that. | ||
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On July 13 2015 03:06 Holyflare wrote: Rofl hahaha man.... I also just haven't been here was busy socialising so that's why i saw stupid things and sniped. Let's kill scott who was my shadow last game where i wrote that i would martyr for the sick town cred but he doesnt say a word about it here Well that is news | ||
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On July 13 2015 16:31 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't like Kelsier not being here and he did seem rather whatever about the d1 lynch, but I still think he's town. As for Vivax: I'd be okay with a vivax lynch next. He gives out townreads like nobody's business yet has no opinion on milo who has been talked about as a lynch candidate since d1. He states scum probably didn't give a shit about the d1 lynch (convenient as he called everyone dumb for switching to BM, but did nothing to stop it), says kelsier might be scum, but somehow says his d1 is fine despite kelsier being indifferent as fuck during the last hour of d1. I'm fine with scott too. So your argument is that I'm mafia cause I don't talk about popular lynch candidates and made an assumption basically nobody disagreed with to try and form some reads? Plus as town I'm somehow supposed to not give townreads? What is this trash of a post. | ||
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Saying I'm uninvolved is a blanket statement with no examples that's entirely false given my scum meta. I also don't see the issue with not having a definite opinion on milo, but if he ends up being mafia I'll call you out for TMI with this case. Cause he's not the only guy I didn't give a definite read on yet you treat him as something special, clearly. Also still didn't answer how me giving townreads makes me mafia. You just put it in there to add some more generic bs on the pile methinks. | ||
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The clarity arguments on me made him sketchy as fuck in my book given the way he mixed stuff in it that doesn't mean anything, as if he was trying to reinforce his argument at any cost with the shittiest arguments even and that's not what I'd expect of him given I wouldn't expect him to be that tunneled on me already in that post. | ||
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That I have given no opinion on milo when I do it right while I give the read on Scott and a bunch of other people. Saying I did nothing about the BM lynch like I was supposed to do more than I did when it wouldn't make any sense. Saying Kelsier's D1 was "fine" as if that was a reason to townread him. I said that on D1 trolling or not doing much doesn't mean anything and the Palmar flip proves me right. Overall your entire post looks like a massive, unobjective shitflinging and it pissed me quite off. | ||
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On July 14 2015 02:58 Clarity_nl wrote: You literally said "I don't know about milo, I'll need to think more about him" 12 hours before lynchtime or whatever. OUR CURRENT LYNCH TARGET and you're in no rush to get a read on him apparently. Doing nothing about the BM lynch would be fine, I was perfectly happy switching I thought he was a better lynch at the time. However you thought the lynch was HORRIBLE and just let it happen anyway. "lol u guys are all bad lynching the claimed wanderer" followed with no alternative or caring about moving the lynch target. I'm not saying you should townread Kelsier at all (although you should). What I was saying, and this is my third time pointing it out to you, is that YOU saying his d1 was fine but he's done nothing after that, when the only scummy thing he's done AFAIK is being so indifferent during d1 lynch. Somehow you missed this but you still read him as scum. It makes no sense. Again you spew the same trash as before. There's nothing I can do more than complain about the BM lynch and leave my vote on MZ. I'm not the entire game, other people were way more influential and I didn't plan on flailing around like an idiot cause of that lynch. As for the first and third text blocks, that's nothing that makes me mafia it's just my personal preference on WHO I form reads, how I form them, if I form them etc. and you try to twist it as if it was the only possible town play possible. Maybe I just don't give two shits about milo cause I don't give two shits if he's the main wagon since N1. I form reads how I want them and I'm certainly even less willing to form one now that you're on my ass with these trash tier arguments. | ||
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On July 14 2015 03:05 Clarity_nl wrote: Vivax is actually capable of forming coherent sentences and responding though Maybe you should read the quotes in my profile then. | ||
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That's something I expect from a super tunneled townie but not from you given you didn't act towards me like a super tunneled townie up until that point. | ||
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On July 14 2015 03:10 Clarity_nl wrote: LOL. Anyway.. You can say "I play the game my way and I don't care about anything else" all you want, but are you actually saying you don't really care if milo gets lynched, regardless of his alignment? You totally lost me. Let's say plumber mario walks into the european parliament, full of witty powerful politicians. Everyone knows he's plumber mario and mario knows he's just a plumber. Is plumber mario going to try to influence the politicians as if he was a politician himself? When all the politicians are dead mario can truly become a hero but until then he's just a plumber. | ||
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But as the game goes on I'll find some shrooms and inflate like ronald mcdonald on viagra. | ||
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Might actually mean Kelsier is the most likely to be mafia. | ||
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On July 14 2015 03:30 marvellosity wrote: Nothing's wrong with me this game? I've been very chirpy up until the MZ flip, as you well know Something's bugging you outside of this game, I'm kinda convinced. But that's kinda offtopic. | ||
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On July 14 2015 03:40 boxerfred wrote: ##vote Milo109 did kelsier show up by now? also i'm here for the rest of the evening. also i'm here for the rest of the evening = Not gonna do shit but if you really want I'll answer some stuff. Why do people post this? Why make this game so hard? I'm already lost in this game as it is. | ||
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On July 14 2015 04:10 boxerfred wrote: i have a shit ton of work to do. so I'm skimming and not engaging the game although I'd really love to. sorry. wasn't forseeable at all. Believable enough for me. Carry on then. | ||
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Have to be cause I can't guarantee I'll be around at deadline, so here, have my toothpick: ##Vote milo | ||
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Plumber mario walks away. | ||
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On July 14 2015 15:58 Trfel wrote: Someone talk to me about ruXxar. Either I missed something, or he's almost certainly scum. What about Scott, EBH, WoS? For clarity I actually see a chance he's town even though his case was sketchy as shit, so deifinitely the lowest of my priorities. | ||
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On July 14 2015 16:10 Trfel wrote: Scott31337 is a fair shot at scum, though probably the least certain of my scum reads. I don't really know about XEliteBlueHunter69X or WaveofShadow, though I'm a little inclined to think that WaveofShadow is town? I think his early read on Clarity_nl and how he reacted to the pressure felt a little bit towny. Please talk to me about ruXxar. I just skimmed a bit of his himalayas filter for the first time and I actually think he's townish now. | ||
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On July 14 2015 16:18 Trfel wrote: How about the part where he made an associative scumread that two people are scum, but only scumread one of them? And explained it by saying he thought they could be masons, but continued to only scumread one of them after he said he had realized this? How about the part where this is also different from his play as town in Newbie Mafia 11 (it was his first game ever, look at the later parts of the game for a better representation)? How about the fact that he replaced into Himalayas after the game was well under way, and only towards the end of the game joined the discussion and posted more casually (more like he is in this game)? His tone is way different. He's more earnest and synthetic in his posting in himalayas, you see that in the way he posts he cares much more about his appeareance. I doubt you will be able to sway me with what you say. | ||
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On July 14 2015 16:29 Trfel wrote: Are you talking about the start of his play in Himalayas, or the end? Or did you read all of it? No, I'm lazy atm. Just skimmed. I'd like to know why your play has been so unremerkable this game thoughh. You only started to put in some degree of effort now. | ||
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On July 14 2015 16:53 Harkon wrote: I survived both the mafia's and the host's attempt to kill me. I am therefore concluding that I am in fact invincible. Bow down before me. Aren't you the dude who said the cop is confirmed mafia | ||
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On July 14 2015 17:09 Harkon wrote: No, I never said that. Not that it matters anyways. I am way more suspicious of the people suddenly defending milo when the lynch was set btw. On July 13 2015 00:25 Harkon wrote: We aren't lynching anyone but milo unless someone convinces me that he is not basically confirmed mafia snd I don't think that's even possible. That was when I posted my arguments on scott. And it's ridiculous you wanna scumread people for being right. When the majority of town has been led SO astray that the cop gets lynched there is no fucking reason for them to defend someone they KNOW is cop. It's like a gift. My jimmies are super rustled now that I know I could have actually picked a better lynch than what you and other people suggested on d1 and d3. But I know nobody listens to me even though I would have made a better decision on both days so my motivation is going towards zero as well. | ||
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On July 14 2015 17:27 Harkon wrote: Yes, and that post was in regard to what I said about milo earlier -> he is basically confirmed scum unless there are 2 rbs (which I said was possible but very unlikely) - there is nothing wrong with that statement. If you want to keep throwing shit at confirmed town be my guest though. The bolded is pretty much complete bs. Well clearly you didn't want to consider that there could be 2 rbs, and didn't partake in discussion when I brought up how the cop claim was a bad claim for mafia. | ||
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On July 14 2015 17:48 Harkon wrote: There were no alternatives. Milo would have never gotten a check off and people would always discuss him and try to lynch him later in the game. It was correct to lynch him. Yes you do have a point, as do I when I said that just sitting back without discussing other reads or even shaking the down isn't good play. I wanna lynch scotty next I think. | ||
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On July 06 2015 07:40 Damdred wrote: No you fools I hard claim cop! So yeah we just made home made quesadilla for supper at work and they are excellent really makes my day. I am a towny of a different shade and you should live me On July 06 2015 07:41 KelsierSC wrote: So I won my chess match quite quickly, I had a couple of celebratory glasses of wine and now the game can begin. let us fall down the rabbit hole and see what we may see Lolmafia and their everyday activities when entering the thread. Milo was basically godlike scumhunter and called out both Damdred and Kelsier as mafia early in D1. Feelsbadman. On July 06 2015 12:08 KelsierSC wrote: im too drunk to play this but last game damdred and rsoul read eachother as town, and they both had ls as town early this game damdred has rs as town but ls as mafia but he has rs as town so something fucked up is happening there i like geript and i like clarity, i also like breshke but i dont really know how real this read is and i dont like Wos as a result of liking clarity, sheeping the fuck outside of that im fucked to fuck Would TR rso just for this post. On July 06 2015 14:53 Breshke wrote: I agree on KSC. Geript idk he called me 99% town early which could be understandable because he looked into my meta fairly extensively in the newbie game we played together and seemed to have a fairly good grasp of it. But ive played a few more games since then and i don't think my play has really changed that much but he doesn't even seem to consider that it could have like as in im fairly sure he hasn't looked at my recent games so im not sure why he would be comfortable calling me town. Can't really disagree on the marv thing he like playing town more than scum and if he does nothing for extened periods of time he is probs scum yeah. I dont care about harkon currently. Is there anything else to your LS read other than a few towntells. I almost went back to look at his scum games because i swear he has said the what are you smoking stuff as scum before but then ceebs. I do agree with damdred that this isn't LS's town meta. Him just dropping in and not attempting to do much i think is scum LS. I think i made a similar read on him last game and he was town but aside from that damdreds point feels fairly damming. I really dislike the bolded now that I actually read it, seems like the sort of thing I caught LS from in previous games. Nervous, doesn't conclude with a read on geript, seems kinda unhappy with the townread on himself while being excessively wordy about it. | ||
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On July 15 2015 16:42 boxerfred wrote: people do you agree/disagree with my list? Elaborate on HTS and Oats please. I don't mind lynching HF but my confidence on him always goes towards 0 unless he pissed me off in some way. | ||
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Let's put it like that: If at any time I show more activity later in the game than I did on D1, I'm definitely not mafia. I'm capable of making people think I'm town on D1 on a good game but after that point it's a road downhill in activity and post quality and I end up getting lynched. I don't think I've ever survived a game as mafia except in LVIII where nobody knew me well enough to catch me on the activity. As for today's lynch HF would be a good step forward. Will slap my vote on him eventually. To be honest I have no idea if he's mafia and I don't care cause he's the probably best scum player I've ever seen and if he doesn't get NKd we're left with no choice. | ||
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On July 16 2015 02:27 ruXxar wrote: There's very few things that make a person exclusively scum. A lot of people look scummy even though they're town, just look at all the people we've lynched so far. I'm not saying that only scum would do this, but the case + tunnel on geript seems artificial to me. Right now I think part of the key to solving this game lies in trfel, and here's why: Trfel was an easy target to push with the terrible content he had posted so far. HF started pushing him and it was a low risk case to sheep for scum since HF is a strong player that would take the brunt of the force on himself. I think you will find the scum amongst the people that jumped on the scum-read train of trfel without really pushing him, or in people hard defending him knowing he is town. These people are: EBH, Me, Vivax, Rsoultin. I'm thinking there is 1 or maybe 2 mafia in here, and I'm most suspicious of rsoultin and vivax atm. It's only natural to have preferences among the people you push. I could turn around the accusation and say that you're soft pushing EBH while really only pushing me and rso, but I know better than using that argument cause it doesn't mean a thing. On D1 I wanted MZ or Trfel more dead than BM, on D2 it was autopilot on Dam, on D3 I'd have preferred Scott over milo, today I'm going to agree on killing HF alone for the fact he's alive after Harkon and marv flipped. | ||
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On July 16 2015 03:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I think BF is mafia. What happened to the opinion you had on D1? It strikes me as scummy than it seems so different now, given the previous hyperbole. On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia. My vote is serious now. | ||
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Now it seems to be the opposite and you mention some other dudes being mafia in your opinion. See where I'm coming from? | ||
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You can hold me onto this later. | ||
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Gonna try to find an alternative and also do a quick reread of Carol pre-HF-lynch. ##Unvote | ||
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Rereading Wave I also have no way of getting a clue on him, but I think what I said earlier about Kelsier and mafia being dicks to town are mafia being dicks to their team was pretty spot on and since WoS is being a dick I'll actually unvote this guy too. So for me EBH, Clarity and Trfel are good choices. HTS and rso I need to digest first, didn't really read them so far. | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:49 Clarity_nl wrote: trfel has some stuff in a spoiler that's borderline DMA Dunno what DMA means, but the stuff in spoilers is indeed very voluminous. I'm fine with scrapping Trfel today then. Let's kill VA then? ##Unvote ##Vote EBH | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:54 Holyflare wrote: don't particularly want to kill VA :D :D :D Breshke? On July 09 2015 14:36 Breshke wrote: Actually no we don't gain anything from taking the risk and lynching damdred today. Fairly sure either way geript and ritoky get no more checks this game. ##Vote Milo | ||
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On July 09 2015 14:15 Breshke wrote: That's a really sick post clarity. Especially like why the fuck did he try a fake check when ritoky claimed RB and he doesn't think there can be two mafia rb's. I almost want to lynch milo first now but damdred would be the mafia RB'r so yeah On July 09 2015 14:36 Breshke wrote: Actually no we don't gain anything from taking the risk and lynching damdred today. Fairly sure either way geript and ritoky get no more checks this game. ##Vote Milo Yeah let's do Breshke, cmon people ! ##Unvote ##Vote Breshke | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can you make a scumteam of 3 with Breshke on it and Hf off of it? Too much work and too many people I have no way of reading properly, so I have to decline. | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:05 Holyflare wrote: didn't hate his explanation Except Damdred claimed JK and not an investigative role and Bresh was aware of a roleblocker, so this explanation sounds pretty bad. | ||
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On July 06 2015 13:08 Breshke wrote: I also kind of townread KSC for whatever he is trying to say about damdred. I think damdred is super town and his bigish post about LS makes me really want to lynch LS but i feel KSC wouldnt be sending himself in a loop without really having a point if he was scum. I really have a hard time seeing a mafia be so cocky in townreading his teammates. | ||
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On July 17 2015 06:58 Holyflare wrote: yeh you must 1000% lynch rsoultin, no if's or buts I hope this will be what happens tomorrow. Never forget. | ||
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On July 17 2015 20:59 rsoultin wrote: okay, so we're at 10:3, which means with the kills tonight unless miraculously we have any blues who didn't decide to out in the first two days 8:3 - tomorrow 7:3 - ml 5:3 - triple mylo/lylo so literally absolutely everyone in this game who is using hf as an excuse to do another auto lynch is either scum or horrible and when you lose this game after i flip town you have only yourselves to blame for thinking there's any validity to something as illogical as hf and rsoul can't possibly fight/misread each other as town on that note...oats, you've called me scum all game? isn't this your chance? xP What about HF's other reads? | ||
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Rereading D1 I found this part to be pretty sketch. I hope you guys read this stuff carefully, it's probably the biggest effort I'm putting in since the game started. Clarity gave an early scumread on WoS for WoS townreading him for no reason. It all started with these posts, spoilered: + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote: You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little. I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree? On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote: I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. So now that we actually know HF's alignment, I'll think through the logic one could have behind making such a post. Clarity had a clear intention of not scumreading HF past this point, he said he would fight against his lynch, and knowing now that HF was town that means he was making his assumption based on one of them being mafia. In this case himself. It's a really odd assumption to make if you don't assume either of you to be mafia. This argument could have been made earlier but now that we have more information I actually have an easier time seeing this as valid. Going a little deeper: If I know I'm town, and I think the other dude is town, I have no logical reason to argue that one of us is town if the other isn't. So I see a lack of motivation to even go ahead and make this argument unless I know I'm mafia. To make it more clear, I'll paraphrase what he actually said: "I think HF is town cause both of us can't be mafia together, and I know I'm mafia so HF is town (left unsaid obviusly, but heavily implied)". That's the entire basis of his HF read. It literally leaks TMI, and doesn't have any justification whatsoever from a town perspective. Here's what happened when clarity posted this stuff, his teammates immediately noticed it looking odd as fuck: Damdred + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote: Clarity if you haven't played with hf much who is arguably the best scum player on site. Why do you 100% lack any fear in reading him on precious few posts? On July 06 2015 08:07 Damdred wrote: Why off one post? It doesn't make a lot of sense does it to totally eliminate one person based on an opening does it? On July 06 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote: Please answer my question. Also this seems like an odd statement because a previous post read like you were really happy with wave? Just seems a weird postings On July 06 2015 09:26 Damdred wrote: Uhhh, so you leave an open ended question. Hf pushes wave is scum,because of a weak town read and you claim hf is sleeping you? Yeah I don't buy that part. Like what would,of happened if,Geript,would,of pushed that wave was town first. Obviously that's impossible,to,decide as it didn't happen but I just think it's a bit weird to me On July 07 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote: Well that took a bit to read a good amount of town reads from it sorta, these are the people id want to lynch today Trfel Ritoky LIGHTNINGSTRIKE these are my most wanted lynched obvious preference Damdred ends up asking the questions and never actually pursuing clarity as he did everyone else he questioned like that. His concluding opinion on him is: "I just think it's a bit weird to me". Kelsier: + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote: Clarity do you have any other reads so far? On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote: ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? On July 06 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: what do you mean by interaction though you called hf town and then you reference how because of this "interaction" you cant both be scum On July 06 2015 08:30 KelsierSC wrote: well...i feel like if you hadn't brusied the back of my throat with it then i might have made that analysis myself. but now it just tastes like pre.... well it just tastes bad you know. After this tastes bad business he actually takes advantage of the sentiment shifting in favour of clarity and townreads him: On July 07 2015 00:24 KelsierSC wrote: Here are my initial reads Clarity - The initial posts weren't great but perhaps he was just excited to play, I really liked his scum read on WoS, he had pressure on him but he scumread the one guy sort of townreading him out of nowhere that felt really good. since then his posting has been solid, comments about trefl and bf seem alright. Which incriminates him further cause TWO scum had a strong argument at their disposal to push a dude on his odd arguments and they ended up throwing all their questioning away and shrug clarity off as an option. That's about it for this point. Next point is about WoS and Clarity. On July 06 2015 09:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Holyflare you should vote WoS with me it'll be great Last post scumreading WoS above. First post unscumreading him below. On July 06 2015 23:24 Clarity_nl wrote: Going over WoS again and he talked a little about his townread on me I don't like him as a lynch at the moment. ##Unvote Kelsier's efforts are clearly townie to me. I like where this Rsoultin thing is going, I put it in the back of my mind because someone pointed out her softpushing me early is her town meta. Her reads are also the opposite of mine. Despite boxerfred's nonsensical "I decided to not like your first post" stance I do think he was coming at me with a townie mindset. When I said the first 5 pages was basically about my first post and he seemed joyous to "catch me in a lie". I'm actually struggling, it's a pretty big game and most of the arguments/interaction appear town on town to me. I agree that ritoky's opening posts wasn't great, ruxxar pointed out early on that his first post "hi guys I'm town, bye." seemed forced and marv went with it. If anyone stands out to me it's Harkon. I wasn't impressed with his entry which was: But he never did get an answer nor did he follow up. Harkon didn't have any thoughts regarding anything that was going on in the thread at this point so you'd think the one thing he asks about he would push for an answer. Other than that there's not much original thought, he goes off the posts of others and says "I like this" and "you should elaborate on this" a lot. Even his little spat with rsoultin just now was only after kelsier was on about the whole xP thing. He's just kinda following the rhythm of the thread. Harkon do you think rsoultin is scum, or what? Now to what WoS actually said: On July 06 2015 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote: What has been said about clarity? On July 06 2015 12:50 WaveofShadow wrote: 'Pre planned' is dumb Nobody actually does that On July 06 2015 12:59 WaveofShadow wrote: There's a difference between saying 'I wouldn't do this as mafia' and 'mafia wouldn't do this' in general. One is self meta and super shit. One is actually attempting to think. reading his post I actually don't think I know which that is Not sure if I should continue, cause I think he's giving a lot of leeway to WoS here in unscumreading him off these few posts where WoS is UNSURE about what clarity's post actually meant (this part: "reading his post I actually don't think I know which that is"). So I trust you guys to lynch this guy next after reading this, another argument would be the case he made on me. As I already mentioned he posted his case on me with a lot of hyperbole I'd usually only see from a super tunneled townie which he had no reason or appereance to be previously. I'm proceeding to find the other two scum. | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote: lol well i don't really blame him xP with the way you climbed right up hf's ass first post of the game daaaaaamdy trash tier new method says ls town. so is my method just really trash or are you wrong on ls? xP On July 06 2015 08:04 rsoultin wrote: nope, it means i see why he finds it suspicious xP especially if, as he's just shown, he thinks holyflare is town On July 06 2015 08:13 rsoultin wrote: >> you must be reaaaaaally rusty to believe this On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote: -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? On July 06 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote: xP talk about pointless questions yes clarity i 100% agree with you! that's why i said it makes no sense, because i think you're right there is absolutely no reason that two scum can't have that conversation; i'm not even sure where you're getting this from So after lynching clarity you lynch her, pretty simple. | ||
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On July 18 2015 03:36 Clarity_nl wrote: Hi Vivax. My argument early d1 wasn't "1 of us is scum" it was "we can't be scum together" and it was to jumpstart discussion, that said I stand by it that I would never approach my scummate that way that early in the day. I think my WoS unvote was fine, I liked his explanation of "preplanned is dumb" and his "I dunno what it means" stuff. You're also ignoring that damdred made a huge case on me near the end of d1 >.> ad bold 1: Why would you ever think about your scummates as town? ad bold 2: Did you mention this somewhere earlier? Cause it's clear you were aware of this all the time and didn't just go look it up right now. | ||
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On July 18 2015 03:40 ruXxar wrote: @Vivax. Not to rain on your parade here, but I already looked into the associations between clarity and kelsier/damdred. Damdred actually had clarity as one of his strongest scum reads and was actually the one I felt he elaborated the most on of his scumreads. So to say that he didn't pursue it is to misrepresent what he actually did. He did so veeeeery late. And dropped that as well in his later reads. Making one case that doesn't have any conviction throughout the game doesn't exclude it's a bus, it only means he made a well written case on a teammate for the reason you bring that up now. | ||
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On July 18 2015 03:39 rsoultin wrote: logical fallacy incoming xP this makes me scum how? There's a wall of text on clarity above, gone completely unnoticed by you, and you have absolutely no insight on why somebody would think you are scum when two scummers have shown an extremely similar behaviour as yourself? Hehehehe | ||
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On July 18 2015 03:52 Clarity_nl wrote: It wasn't any deep analysis or anything. I thought his townread on me made no sense but "preplanned is dumb and clarity is tryharding" was good enough. Do you think that the way Damdred, Kelsier and rso questioned you and dropped you is a mere coincidence in the case of rso? | ||
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On July 18 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote: lol yeah. your whole read is predicated on that damdred's questioning of clarity's early posts match kelsier's ergo clarity is scum ignore the case on clarity later that doesn't fit in your pattern finding so let's not even mention it ergo all scum members must be treating clarity the same because clarity is scum ergo rsoul who also questioned clarity for that weird posting but didn't push him...is scum and you can't see how that logic falls apart at all? i think you need to read that thread that just went up xP you're sounding like gonzaw But the case on clarity fits the pattern, cause before and after Damdred doesn't wanna lynch him. | ||
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On July 18 2015 03:54 Clarity_nl wrote: I think that's more likely than 3 scum having the exact same approach towards me. If rsoultin is scum it's not because she did the same things as kelsier and damdred at a certain point in the game But cause of? | ||
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Damdred actually had clarity as one of his strongest scum reads and was actually the one I felt he elaborated the most on of his scumreads. So to say that he didn't pursue it is to misrepresent what he actually did. That is true, however after reading damdred's filter, he didn't really pursue any of his scum-reads at all. QUOTE]On July 18 2015 03:40 ruXxar wrote: @Vivax. Not to rain on your parade here, but I already looked into the associations between clarity and kelsier/damdred. Damdred actually had clarity as one of his strongest scum reads and was actually the one I felt he elaborated the most on of his scumreads. So to say that he didn't pursue it is to misrepresent what he actually did. On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote: [/QUOTE]Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today. I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading. The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF. The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning. The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point. TLDR Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post Lacks follow through on some posts/questions Lacks scum reads Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks. This guy is scum vot ehim. On July 18 2015 03:55 ruXxar wrote: That is true, however after reading damdred's filter, he didn't really pursue any of his scum-reads at all. From the analysis I did earlier I felt like clarity was damdreds second strongest scum-read throughout the whole game. So no, he didn't push him very hard in a general sense, but did so in a relative sense compare to the other pushes he's done this game. And you can't really say that he dropped the scum-read because the last list post he made was just wifom after he already got caught. | ||
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On July 18 2015 04:05 ruXxar wrote: zzz blow it out of proportion will you. I'm saying that damdred had clarity as his second strongest scum-read the whole game, and he didn't push hard on any of his scum reads in a general sense. So what's the point of pointing out that he did push clarity if to you it should be meaningless? | ||
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On July 17 2015 23:58 ruXxar wrote: Looking at the votes on HF, there's no way I can imagine a scenario with 0 mafia voting on HF. It just seems very unlikely. I think that you'll most likely find scum within these people: Rsoultin HTS Obiwanshinobi Trfel Clarity I'm fairly certain that oats is town. His whole scum-slip seance with geript earlier spoiled the fact that he's VT, and I really don't think he was faking it. LS is gunsmith so there's that. It really sucks that a lot of my townreads are in this list, but at this point I have to re-evaluate everyone. I've been burned by ignoring my townreads before when they were scum so everyone is getting the same treatment here. Among these 5 people, rsoul is my strongest scum-read so I'll use that as a springboard to see which of the other 4 could possibly be aligned with her, and also look into how that fits with the already flipped scum. Can anyone tell me how a guy with such a list of possible scummers shouldn't be drooling at my analysis? Instead he opposes everything I say? I wonder what his own arguments are for these people being scum, cause he sure didn't care to present them. Instead what we get is emotional, contradictory gibberish. | ||
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On July 18 2015 04:28 ruXxar wrote: I never said I wouldn't listen to your analysis. I won't listen to analysis that I consider based on false premises. Doesn't matter who the case is about or how much I scum-read them. So which one is your premise? That clarity has been pushed by Damdred or that Damdred didn't push his scumreads really? Cause you used both premises and they can't coexist. | ||
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On July 18 2015 04:27 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: his play doesnt bother me but his association does. I still find it incredibly weird that so many people have this "scumread" on him and want to lynch him but not really. Strange game in general I keep changing my real reads everytime some one makes a post Some names would be helpful. Many people and real reads and some one doesn't tell us anything. | ||
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On July 18 2015 04:31 ruXxar wrote: @Vivax: It's funny how of instead of actually going back and re-evaluating whether your case was indeed correct or have a discussion with me about it, you instantly jump on me and call me mafia for pointing out that I disagree with it. I call you mafia cause of the way you represent Damdred's play by two extremes just to make it fit into the current post, and how you ignore what your scumreads say in the meantime, and zomg, it's actually the dudes I assumed to be teammates, and whom you both should be wanting to lynch. You have a huge disrepancy between what you say you want and what you actually want, as displayed by your choice of arguments and choice of people you talk to, and it's what you can catch scum off, just like Kelsie, clarity and rso talked about clarity's fallacy of his early post as if it meant something, and then didn't mean anything if you don't take Damdred's case on him into consideration that doesn't mean anything cause it can easily be a bus. | ||
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On July 18 2015 04:34 ruXxar wrote: I already explained this: in context of damdreds pushes this game it's a strong push. in context of pushes in general it's not a very strong push. These 2 are not mutually exclusive. Of course they are mutually exclusive, cause only one context can exist, unless you say that "this game" and "in general" are something different. | ||
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On July 18 2015 04:38 Clarity_nl wrote: Vivax, friend, I'm town. But we can kill ruxxar together, yes? I'm going for a run and then I'll be around until flips I can work with that. | ||
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So I say you start with EBH tomorrow and if he flips mafia you just proceed with lynching the no-shit givers and if they end up town then mafia deserves to win for giving more shits than these dudes. | ||
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Only way to find out is to lynch into each of the groups and see where it bleeds red. | ||
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On July 18 2015 06:06 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: vivax is reading the person as scum that he said he is going to do this game, huge logical gap. He said he is a plumber that plays when the politicians leave which is exactly my playstyle. yet somehow now im scum for it. lmao. this town tho You spend all of your energy on crying about being scumread instead of solving the game, that much is clear by now. Get lynched tomorrow pls | ||
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On July 18 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote: ?? it's va lol >< pssssst viva, don't look now but you're scumreading like over half the game xP It's only like a quarter with the conditional I attached | ||
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