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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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MAKE SURE YOU READ THIS BECAUSE MY RULES ARE SLIGHTLY MODIFIED!!!! + Show Spoiler [rules and shit] + Rules: Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. 10. Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account. 11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM. 12. Posting a false role PM phrased as if you received it from the host. You can still fake roleclaim, but you cannot make it look like you are posting a PM you received from the host. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe. Posting: Mod Font: This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it. Question Font: This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything. Activity: This game holds a requirement of high activity. If you can not dedicate a high proportion of time to this game. DO NOT JOIN! If you join this game and are inactive, I will pursue a ban. Smurfs: No smurfs allowed. Hydras: No hydras allowed. Spam: I am going to be very lax with spam so you can feel free to post a lot. If it gets too excessive I will warn you but otherwise feel free to post whatever you want. Encryption: Don't do it. Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of TL where it is okay to double post or even triple-post. While you should try to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything. Inappropriate posts: Reporting posts: The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, or GMarshal before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately. Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without getting banned. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM the host if you need to leave the game. You have been warned. Out of thread communication: It is common for mafia (and town circles if PMs are allowed) to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk. Observers If you would like to observe this game, please PM me for access to the observer QuickTopic. If you receive access to the observer QuickTopic, do not discuss this game with the players until this game is over. Voting rules: 1. Voting is done in this thread. Please keep votes here, and only vote here. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 5. Voting is mandatory. You may (NOT) abstain. 6.This game uses a plurality lynch. You become the new lynch target when you have more votes than anyone else. Signups: This game is open to anyone. Signups will remain open until all 12 spots have been filled. Game-specific rules: Modkills: This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, you will be punished beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to the ban list thread for questions about your punishment. Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game. Sitting Out: To sit out this game, you must do these two things during the signups of this game (assuming you are not currently sitting out a different game and the game in which you were banned has finished): 1. PM the host of this game, saying you are sitting out this game. 2. Post in the TL Mafia Ban List, saying that you are sitting out this game. Replacements This game uses replacements. Replacements will be made all game. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list. PMs PMs are (not) allowed in this game. Time Cycle: This game will follow a 24/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count (any votes on xx:00 will count) and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 22:00 GMT (+00:00), but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to the posted time, but not on or after. Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game. If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance! Currently the deadline is 22:00 GMT (+00:00), but that is subject to change Lightningstrike is co-hosting! | ||
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Someday I'll actually be able to play in one of your games. Now come let me kick your ass in SG | ||
sciberbia
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LightningStrike
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Onegu
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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Holyflare
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Onegu
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raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
On July 05 2015 14:07 Onegu wrote: Still only VTs... unuspecting teens to be exact. | ||
Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom35817 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On July 05 2015 21:15 marvellosity wrote: Unsuspecting teens? My favourite. ROFL | ||
ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
You often remember travelling with your parents to remote places bur you're all alone now. :D Also proof that I read the OP for once. | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
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Holyflare
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ruXxar
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plotspot
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
However, this looks like it might be kind of epic. Will this game use heavy theme and flavor throughout? If so, I might not be able to pass it up. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
And hf loves vast are setups and does amazing with themes | ||
Half the Sky
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Damdred
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On July 06 2015 02:31 n00bKing wrote: Hmm. So I had figured that I would only play Newbie games until I wasn't eligible to be classified as a "Newbie" in them anymore. However, this looks like it might be kind of epic. Will this game use heavy theme and flavor throughout? If so, I might not be able to pass it up. The setup I am using will be entirely normal but there will be heavy flavour and storyline included in the day and night posts. I'm going to host a themed game in the future that will include mass themes everywhere. Also, I suggest you use your newbie games up as they are an amazing experience in both learning the game through the coaching system and also a more gentle introduction to mafia itself because the activity of normal games can get quite insane whereas newbie games are much more approachable. | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On July 06 2015 02:51 Half the Sky wrote: If only I was this good with graphics... hey i'm really shit with them too just dl photoshop and anyone can make something look good | ||
ShoCkeyy
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
/obs | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
Yea... sorry. I ain't staying a night in that house... I don't care how much money uncle Vladimir left me... I do have a large amount of popcorn however... /obs | ||
Blazinghand
United States25546 Posts
/obs | ||
VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
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sicklucker
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
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milo109
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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scott31337
United States2522 Posts
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plotspot
800 Posts
On July 15 2015 07:29 Holyflare wrote: anger has no logic and i don't really care just lynch me and be done with it and realise that people's intent to policy and play like crap is far greater than their need to ever treat another player like they are wrong and to maybe change their read and sure it's hypocritical when i've called you mafia all game but i was already mad then and will continue to be mad so it's best to get rid of me and i will no longer post a single thing this phase and it's probably my last mafia game too so, yay! /in before HF quits the scene, this site, his mafia career?^^ | ||
Blazinghand
United States25546 Posts
On July 15 2015 08:06 plotspot wrote: /in before HF quits the scene, this site, his mafia career?^^ No need to edit or delete this post, it's fine, but as a general rule do not discuss ongoing games outside of the Observer QT for those games. We don't want players affected by commentary from others. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
Wait i am cohosting? :o | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On July 15 2015 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: /in Wait i am cohosting? :o On July 05 2015 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can cohost lol i can just get another one if you want to play | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
i would rather play if it's okay. | ||
Damdred
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Holyflare
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Onegu
United States9694 Posts
/in | ||
raynpelikoneet
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yamato77
11589 Posts
maybe | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15127 Posts
or he'll just take advantage of my limited time and mislynch me again, the bastard >> | ||
Damdred
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rsoultin
Netherlands15127 Posts
/replace a compromise! \o/ i'll /in if y'all still don't have enough later lol >< | ||
Onegu
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
It's been a while. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
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Trfel
6474 Posts
Doubt I'll actually be able to observe the game, but it can't hurt to give myself the option ^^ | ||
Damdred
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
but don't expect me to be around a super amount | ||
Trfel
6474 Posts
On July 17 2015 16:03 geript wrote: I think we found the day 1 lynch XD/in but don't expect me to be around a super amount | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
we'll start tonight 22:00 GMT (+00:00) and we'll be using xatalos' vote count or something so don't blame me if it fucks up blame him! that means you have to be very very specific when typing people's names in the correct format and spelling to vote and unvote (I don't actually think you need to type unvote anymore! ty xata <3) i'll like... do some photoshop shenanigans at some point too remember this rule: Activity: This game holds a requirement of high activity. If you can not dedicate a high proportion of time to this game. DO NOT JOIN! If you join this game and are inactive, I will pursue a ban. High activity is AT LEAST 1 page a cycle. I will not hesitate to modkill for failing this requirement. | ||
raynpelikoneet
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JonnyLaw
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Damdred
15669 Posts
much hype | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
Having a party tonight. | ||
Damdred
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raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
On July 18 2015 03:17 Damdred wrote: Game starts while I'm at work so just assume my first scum read is rayn for reasons. ##vote Damdred | ||
geript
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raynpelikoneet
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geript
10024 Posts
On July 18 2015 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck you got us. I concede. Geript was the third mafia. No one expects the triple bus Rayn. You should've let me style on those fools in final 3. | ||
GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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GlowingBear
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Damdred
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raynpelikoneet
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On July 18 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote: Or /replace so I take onegu's spot when he gets modkilled for inactivity you can replace soz too late | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
much scary fluff many pant wetting pm me if you didn't get a role pm mafia kp is 1 all pm's are the roles in brackets in op i.e. "you are a vt" or some variation with ! marks or w/e on my whim "you are a mafia goon" etc etc. flavour later | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
Welcome to my town | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
I have to go to work now but I will post from work maybe | ||
Damdred
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Damdred
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plotspot
800 Posts
If you are cop don't CC, you can work in the dark now, while I absorb your hits. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
Plots tell me something interesting | ||
plotspot
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plotspot
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KelsierSC
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plotspot
800 Posts
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plotspot
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Onegu
United States9694 Posts
##vote: fecalfeast For not claiming town | ||
Onegu
United States9694 Posts
On July 18 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote: Or /replace so I take onegu's spot when he gets modkilled for inactivity <3 | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
##vote: fecalfeast | ||
yamato77
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Fecalfeast
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On July 18 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote: I propose a policy lynch of plotspot no, mafia teammate yamato, don't try to save me now is the time to bus! | ||
Fecalfeast
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plotspot
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 18 2015 07:52 plotspot wrote: I think jesus was policy lynched right? A lot of crying women 'we know you're innocent, but god forgive us'. XD what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
Onegu
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plotspot
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
What's a scut? Fecalfeast is your id picked from an awesome band or....? Too scared to google it. | ||
JonnyLaw
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 18 2015 08:16 plotspot wrote: Ok, I see what's up with this game. I'm gonna sleep now. 0:00 AM deadline is really perfect.^^ what is up with this game? I thought you were asking where people were, people are here. I asked you a question, lets go | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 18 2015 08:18 JonnyLaw wrote: and man, ksc you're so angry out the door. it was a fair question | ||
yamato77
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
his posts feel forced, emote usage is wrong, didn't respond to me but instead just disappeared complaining about the game. ##Vote plotspot | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On July 18 2015 08:17 JonnyLaw wrote: hi guys What's a scut? Fecalfeast is your id picked from an awesome band or....? Too scared to google it. When I was 14 in IT class I decided to pick a name that was offensive but would never actually fail an automatic name filter. I was winning local broodwar tournaments and thought I could be pro and needed a name i could carry with me. | ||
Fecalfeast
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On July 18 2015 08:36 KelsierSC wrote: Damdred might be mafia for talking like Cpt Kirk Damdreds log 17/7/2015: Today I found a most annoying way to play. This. Game. It probably makes Kel town the way he is acting but I am somewhat uncertain. Plot might be part of,the terrorist group I've,been looking for. Undecided at this,juncture. End transmission. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
What is the policy on plot based on? | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 18 2015 09:13 Fecalfeast wrote: I want to get my page of posts done before I finish work but I don't want them all to be fluff. What is the policy on plot based on? it's not policy | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
The non policy part is he complained about the game being slow didn't do,anything bit complain,about kels question,and went to sleep when people,showed up. I don't know if it makes him scum but it doesn't make him town. However oneg is interesting | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 18 2015 09:22 Damdred wrote: The policy part of the plot lynch is that he claimed a role and sorta rescinded in the first post it shortens the field that mafia, shoot into,to,find,blues. The non policy part is he complained about the game being slow didn't do,anything bit complain,about kels question,and went to sleep when people,showed up. I don't know if it makes him scum but it doesn't make him town. However oneg is interesting plus forced posts and the emote usage is wrong | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
I was solely referring to the policy, not your reasons. I am reading don't worry. On July 18 2015 09:22 Damdred wrote: The policy part of the plot lynch is that he claimed a role and sorta rescinded in the first post it shortens the field that mafia, shoot into,to,find,blues. The non policy part is he complained about the game being slow didn't do,anything bit complain,about kels question,and went to sleep when people,showed up. I don't know if it makes him scum but it doesn't make him town. However oneg is interesting lol I didn't even see that he said vanilla cop. Ok I can see that. What's with the commas? | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
I'm surprised and intrigued that neither of you asked why oneg is interesting | ||
geript
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Onegu
United States9694 Posts
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Onegu
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On July 18 2015 09:33 Damdred wrote: Phone likes to,screw with me,while I'm,typing making me look like Kirk. I'm surprised and intrigued that neither of you asked why oneg is interesting *siiiiiiiiiggggggh* why is onegu interesting damdred? | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
Geript any way to early thoughts | ||
Fecalfeast
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geript
10024 Posts
On July 18 2015 10:02 Damdred wrote: To late ff, you aren't eligible for the town points asking obvious questions. I'll come,back to it later. Geript any way to early thoughts Haven't bothered to read anything but my pm | ||
geript
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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Onegu
United States9694 Posts
On July 18 2015 11:15 Fecalfeast wrote: how come? Because he thinks he can read me but has been wrong the last few times not sure why he thinks he can read me now.... | ||
Onegu
United States9694 Posts
On July 18 2015 08:17 JonnyLaw wrote: hi guys What's a scut? Fecalfeast is your id picked from an awesome band or....? Too scared to google it. I meant to write to scummy to be scum but phone autocorrected | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
Neither is FF for that matter. But I'm getting ahead of myself. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On July 18 2015 11:32 yamato77 wrote: Geript also not a terrible lynch. Neither is FF for that matter. But I'm getting ahead of myself. Cool, how come? | ||
geript
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Damdred
15669 Posts
And you sound kinda angry so yeah. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
So kel wasn't interacting but you were Over all I'm really getting a scum vibe off ff atm | ||
Fecalfeast
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raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
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Onegu
United States9694 Posts
On July 18 2015 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have one really strong townread and after yamato's latest post maybe one scumread. Im the town read arent I | ||
raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
No. Why do you think i should read you town? | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
I mean, how do you read him? | ||
JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
geript's posted twice and both posts are calling people scum with no backing. making me nervous geript. | ||
JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
kelsier's aggressive. geript's posts make no sense to me. | ||
yamato77
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yamato77
11589 Posts
I also think onegu is leaning town | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 18 2015 08:34 KelsierSC wrote: he's probably mafia aswell his posts feel forced, emote usage is wrong, didn't respond to me but instead just disappeared complaining about the game. ##Vote plotspot I had the same thought regarding forced emotes, so I'm liking this. ##Vote plotspot | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 18 2015 14:42 Fecalfeast wrote: wait how can anything I said be considered angry? I'd love this answered too. | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 18 2015 18:09 yamato77 wrote: I also think onegu is leaning town Can you explain ? 'cause he seems to post a looot more than the last few games I obs of him, where he was town each time I think. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On July 18 2015 18:14 Rels wrote: I have town leans on yamato KSC and damdred atm. Can you explain ? 'cause he seems to post a looot more than the last few games I obs of him, where he was town each time I think. it's early in this game and there aren't many posts overall onegu has been fairly active early in this game, however trollish he has been | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 18 2015 18:18 yamato77 wrote: it's early in this game and there aren't many posts overall onegu has been fairly active early in this game, however trollish he has been That may be bad meta, but I remember town Onegu being mostly AFK day 1 in all the games I obsed, and in each game people kept saying how Onegu loved being scum and was AFK as town to justify that. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On July 18 2015 18:21 Rels wrote: That may be bad meta, but I remember town Onegu being mostly AFK day 1 in all the games I obsed, and in each game people kept saying how Onegu loved being scum and was AFK as town to justify that. so if he plays early D1 he's mafia? it is almost certainly bad meta | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 18 2015 18:22 yamato77 wrote: so if he plays early D1 he's mafia? it is almost certainly bad meta Alright I can see it being bad meta. Don't have a town lean on him though. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
Maaaaaayyyyybe he is town as he seems to be interested in my read on him. Idk yet. He uses alot of AtE as scum. We'll see. Yamato is town because there is a clarly seen thought process behind his posting. Imo his posts as mafia lack that. It's hard to explain. I'll elaborate further in case people think he is mafia when i get home in ~10h. | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
Do you find this first post forced ? On July 18 2015 08:17 JonnyLaw wrote: hi guys What's a scut? Fecalfeast is your id picked from an awesome band or....? Too scared to google it. | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 18 2015 18:07 JonnyLaw wrote: well seems dead here. 3am and head full of beer i'll be back in the morning. ff seems relaxed to me. comfortable acting as a townie even. kelsier's aggressive. geript's posts make no sense to me. I don't understand this sentence. Are you town or scum reading his "relaxed" posts ? | ||
plotspot
800 Posts
On July 18 2015 08:16 plotspot wrote: Ok, I see what's up with this game. I'm gonna sleep now. 0:00 AM deadline is really perfect.^^ To clarify on this. I simply meant that the game is slower than I anticipated, people reserving their thoughts or are simply not there at that moment, and I really didn't look at the thread anymore after this post, I didn't know it picked up some activity. About the forced emotes, it's just the way it is, I sometimes put them there if I feel like, I wouldn't interpret too much into it. XD ^^ XD ^^ A bit a strange but here are my chain of thoughts after yamato suggests a policy lynch so early. "what does such an early suggestion bring? Is he asking for information? what is it based on? Is it based on the vanilla cop claim? what does it bring town if they policy-lynch wrongly? Who else was wrongly lynched? Ah jesus was kinda lynched wrongly, and some people knew it, but couldn't do anything about it. Really if it's too confusing, ignore it. After 3 games, I kinda noticed I have this natural tendency to confuse people, because I think a lot but only post the "end thought". I try to improve that, but it's probably still gonna be difficult. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
Why did you claim vanilla cop? | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 18 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yamato is town because there is a clarly seen thought process behind his posting. Imo his posts as mafia lack that. It's hard to explain. I'll elaborate further in case people think he is mafia when i get home in ~10h. Wow thought more about this post of yours and it's pretty weird. I'm not scum reading yamato but I would like you to expand anyway. Your read of him is so weird, 'cause he didn't post any thought process before I asked about Onegu. Where is the thought process in his filter ? On July 18 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote: I propose a policy lynch of plotspot On July 18 2015 08:31 yamato77 wrote: I still want to lynch plotspot. On July 18 2015 11:32 yamato77 wrote: Geript also not a terrible lynch. Neither is FF for that matter. But I'm getting ahead of myself. On July 18 2015 18:09 yamato77 wrote: rayn could be town On July 18 2015 18:09 yamato77 wrote: damdred almost certainly is btw I also think onegu is leaning town On July 18 2015 18:18 yamato77 wrote: it's early in this game and there aren't many posts overall onegu has been fairly active early in this game, however trollish he has been On July 18 2015 18:22 yamato77 wrote: so if he plays early D1 he's mafia? it is almost certainly bad meta So where is the thought process here ? | ||
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Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 18 2015 18:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will when i am actually able to quote posts and posting does not take forever. Alright. | ||
Rels
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On July 18 2015 18:41 plotspot wrote: To clarify on this. I simply meant that the game is slower than I anticipated, people reserving their thoughts or are simply not there at that moment, and I really didn't look at the thread anymore after this post, I didn't know it picked up some activity. About the forced emotes, it's just the way it is, I sometimes put them there if I feel like, I wouldn't interpret too much into it. XD ^^ XD ^^ A bit a strange but here are my chain of thoughts after yamato suggests a policy lynch so early. "what does such an early suggestion bring? Is he asking for information? what is it based on? Is it based on the vanilla cop claim? what does it bring town if they policy-lynch wrongly? Who else was wrongly lynched? Ah jesus was kinda lynched wrongly, and some people knew it, but couldn't do anything about it. Really if it's too confusing, ignore it. After 3 games, I kinda noticed I have this natural tendency to confuse people, because I think a lot but only post the "end thought". I try to improve that, but it's probably still gonna be difficult. Alright good enough for me to unvote. Plus I checked your two games on the database and that's true that smiley for you are NAI. ##Unvote | ||
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Robik tried that once. He was right on my alignment exactly 50% of the time rofl. | ||
plotspot
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I think it won't hurt town and it leaves mafia guessing whether I really am Cop or VT. 1. If i'm VT than the real cop is fine, mafia still wants to check out what I am or possibly kill me and might waste a turn. If we have Medic for example they could protect me with a chance mafia will kill me. If I die we still only lose a VT. 2. If I'm cop I wifomed Mafia into taking other targets, and I would be safe. If there is a medic they could protect me. I guess it's not that significant in the end. It keeps mafia guessing a bit. The medic role in both scenarios is interesting, if we have one, but the question is will mafia risk it? | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 18 2015 19:04 plotspot wrote: Why did I claim vanilla cop? I think it won't hurt town and it leaves mafia guessing whether I really am Cop or VT. 1. If i'm VT than the real cop is fine, mafia still wants to check out what I am or possibly kill me and might waste a turn. If we have Medic for example they could protect me with a chance mafia will kill me. If I die we still only lose a VT. 2. If I'm cop I wifomed Mafia into taking other targets, and I would be safe. If there is a medic they could protect me. I guess it's not that significant in the end. It keeps mafia guessing a bit. The medic role in both scenarios is interesting, if we have one, but the question is will mafia risk it? You told damdred that "it would be fun" but now apparently there is some next level night kill play. interesting as this is, do you have any reads so far ? | ||
plotspot
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It was also something I was curious to try and see how people react to it. I'm kinda paranoid sometimes, I don't like to explain everything, because usually mafia reads here too and they get to know all the information and can adapt their play, but the explanation for vanilla cop is not something that gives them real information, I'm sure they have figured it out by themselves. I always have to ask myself the question: will the info I reveal benefit town or mafia more? I know most here believe if you have info, share it with town, because town are in the majority. I'll try to consider this more. Ok, enough with technicalities. I'm trying to figure out what's everyone's up to. I have some thoughts but they are ambiguous at the moment. I will post reads later when the picture becomes more convergent. | ||
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Also how does "keep mafia guessing if i am a cop or vt" differ from not claiming anything? | ||
plotspot
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On July 18 2015 19:23 KelsierSC wrote: You told damdred that "it would be fun" but now apparently there is some next level night kill play. interesting as this is, do you have any reads so far ? Fun and curiosity was part of the reason, but it was not everything. It is not "now", I thought about something like this a few weeks ago. My reads will come later, I have to do some chores. :/ | ||
plotspot
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On July 18 2015 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i am waiting for your conclusions about your "reaction test". Also how does "keep mafia guessing if i am a cop or vt" differ from not claiming anything? This is kinda hard to explain. It's a sort of gravity thing, instead of everything being neutral and mafia guessing elsewhere, the focus will be more on whether I'm VT or Cop. Now If I said that, you could say I am VT, because obviously I want the attention on me, but then again that means I'm not the Cop and mafia would look elsewhere. But maybe I am the Cop and I want exactly that. But then again, I can't be the Cop, a cop would not say anything and not claim vanilla cop. Or maybe I am a cop speculating on medic protection... Well, imo it is different, but hard to pinpoint exactly. Also it depends on the mafia team. If they choose to ignore everything I said, then you're right, it makes no difference, but then it is not for me to decide whether claiming vanilla cop or not does make a difference. Ok, I'm really off now. | ||
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KelsierSC
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I like rayn, rels and Damdred I want yamato and geript to explain their reads on eachother. I don't like plotspot | ||
Rels
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Especially this AFK list of people: VayneAuthority milo109 | ||
Damdred
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For instance the somewhat pushing the policy lynch and some of his other posts just feel like he's thinking about the game a little bit at least. I can't quote atm but I'm pretty sure he is town. Oneg might be scum for actually trying early d1 instead of using the oneg rule or trolling around until later. I think rayn is town here, he seems much more measured. Like kels as well. And to ff statement about anger some of your posts fo feel angry or perturbed like when I had to drag a interaction out of you, and when you are willing to get your page of filter fast about nothing meh ff could still be scum | ||
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Yamato will explain what he is thinking eventually. At the moment i don't care what his thought process is but i can see there being one. That is how i literally read yamato early on in the game. I am not claiming i am 100% accurate on that this early on, but i am really confident i will get his alignment right when he starts posting more and making bigger posts that actually show his thought process. And yes, so far he seems town for his posts. There is no bullshit like in scumato posts there pretty much always is more or | ||
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Am i missing something? He is my strongest townread after Rels. | ||
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On July 19 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote: And to ff statement about anger some of your posts fo feel angry or perturbed like when I had to drag a interaction out of you, and when you are willing to get your page of filter fast about nothing meh ff could still be scum this is in fact a really terrible read Damdred. | ||
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On July 18 2015 19:23 KelsierSC wrote: You told damdred that "it would be fun" but now apparently there is some next level night kill play. interesting as this is, do you have any reads so far ? Like this is what bothers me with plotspot. He uses two different explanations for his actions. There is nothing alignment indicative in his claim itself. He says he has planned that some weeks ago, so he would do that as either alignment most likely. The problem is, i don't understand (1) his explanation Kelsier pointed out and (2) what is he trying to gain? Like i don't get how anyone can think claiming "vanilla cop" does "confuse" mafia (but not town). Also he said it was a reaction test so; I want to hear it from him, what did he gain. What conclusions did he come up with for the reactions, and why. Otherwise probably mafia trying to just post something and talk about irrelevant things that have nothing to do with scumhunting. | ||
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On July 19 2015 00:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kelsier why do you like Damdred? Tone and the fact he is explaining things well I don't mind him pushing ff | ||
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On July 18 2015 19:25 plotspot wrote: I always have to ask myself the question: will the info I reveal benefit town or mafia more? I know most here believe if you have info, share it with town, because town are in the majority. I'll try to consider this more. Also i think this is really bad. plotspot what is this "info" you are talking about here? obviously you want to share all info you have (not talking about claiming here). Why wouldn't you? | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:02 KelsierSC wrote: I don't mind him pushing ff but the reasoning for his read is terribad. | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: but the reasoning for his read is terribad. mhmm...I mean it's not like you can look at it and say "damdred made a great case, he thinks this guy is 100% mafia let's sheep. " it's more of damdred giving reasons for a scum lean. it's not terribad for early d1 though. | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:08 KelsierSC wrote: mhmm...I mean it's not like you can look at it and say "damdred made a great case, he thinks this guy is 100% mafia let's sheep. " it's more of damdred giving reasons for a scum lean. it's not terribad for early d1 though. well it kinda is. half of his case didn't even happen. well, all of his case didn't even happen the way he puts it. | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: well it kinda is. half of his case didn't even happen. well, all of his case didn't even happen the way he puts it. it's not really a case though. just wait and see what happens | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:04 VayneAuthority wrote: hm what do you think of jonnylaw so far? should i be thinking anything about him? | ||
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On February 18 2015 23:38 Damdred wrote: LS you are such an easy read when you do things like this. I can't find a reason that Rayn is town currently, I read his filter last night and this morning to try to get a fresh perspective. There are a couple of red flags in his filter that pop up to me that make me uneasy and make me think that he could potentially be mafia. If you look at his filter you will find that he is not going about this game in the same way that he has in his past games as town. There is very little scum hunting to the extent that I am used to. Usually he sees something scummy and pushes it and the person until they either crack and gets them lynched or yells and screams and gets his person lynched. This is missing this game, look at slytern mafia which is his closest town game in which he had similar time restraints. He pushed his scum reads extremely hard and got his lynched day one and then pressed Sl until he cracked d2 and got him lynched. I don't see the same tenaciousness here. Hes lacking the real drive and impact in the game, hes a behind the scenes type guy in this game. He seems to have several scum reads in the game but drops them pretty quickly. He lacks his normal tunnel on people, for example he calls Palmar mafia at one point for a case on him but never revisits it to my eyes. He doesn't really push any of his scum reads and he is really lurky and back of the bus for Rayn. I think this guy is scum. damdred why does your case on FF sound awfully alot like the above? | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:04 VayneAuthority wrote: hm what do you think of jonnylaw so far? townpile so far. | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote: it's not really a case though. just wait and see what happens I don't care about if it is a case or not. I care about the fact that the things he present - from what he forms a read on FF did not actually happen. | ||
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The "I had to drag a interaction out of you" is a straight out lie based on the thread. The "you are willing to get your page of filter fast about nothing" is just a dumb argument this early in the game. | ||
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town Rels Kelsier FecalFeast VayneAuthority JohnnyLaw yamato That leaves me with geript plotspot Damdred milo. I am about 96% confident there is at least two, probably three mafia in those four people. | ||
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He could be mafia. Not sure yet. | ||
Damdred
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1) FF did in fact basically say I want to get all my one page over. Then complained about it being totally fluff, or that he hoped it wouldn't be -shrug- 2) Tonr wise he does sound perturbed or angry that he had to ask about that part of my post when I found it interesting nobody even asked. 3) You are obviously not reading if you can't see I had to pry ff to interact on the point of oneg basically. The funny thing is that most of this stuff I pointed out BEFORE you initially town read me. And the cases don't look anything alike since I don't have a case but a slight lean I was explaining. | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:30 Damdred wrote: Actually stop being dumb rayn everything that I posted did happen. 1) FF did in fact basically say I want to get all my one page over. Then complained about it being totally fluff, or that he hoped it wouldn't be -shrug- 2) Tonr wise he does sound perturbed or angry that he had to ask about that part of my post when I found it interesting nobody even asked. 3) You are obviously not reading if you can't see I had to pry ff to interact on the point of oneg basically. The funny thing is that most of this stuff I pointed out BEFORE you initially town read me. And the cases don't look anything alike since I don't have a case but a slight lean I was explaining. You actually never said any of those things. The conversation you had with FF about Onegu - well FF comes out of it MUCH better looking than you do, because what he said is right. You somehow managed to turn it into "I had to pry ff to interact" when YOU were the one that bailed out of the conversation for whatever reason. Your point (1) is really dumb. It just is. Because it is not alignment indicative in any way, and you should know it. Your point (2) is fluff. That's how you interpret his posting. It doesn't make it true, because you can always say "X sounds [insert any word here]". You can interpret people's "tone" however you want and noone can say anything about it because you COULD actually think that. Furthermore you show no actual proof from the thread that makes FF mafia. Literally none. Like can i say here "you sound awfully angry Damdred, that probably makes you mafia"?? Because you do, however i do not think it's alignment indicative, but as per your definition that should make you mafia, no? | ||
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On July 18 2015 09:54 Fecalfeast wrote: *siiiiiiiiiggggggh* why is onegu interesting damdred? On July 18 2015 10:02 Damdred wrote: To late ff, you aren't eligible for the town points asking obvious questions. I'll come,back to it later. Geript any way to early thoughts On July 18 2015 10:05 Fecalfeast wrote: Well then why are you surprised and intrigued that nobody cares what you think of onegu? Like i am amazed THIS is "Damdred begging FF to interact". Like if anything like that it is the other way around lol. | ||
VayneAuthority
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well all his posts so far are nitpicking things but making no conclusion from it. oh kelsier is angry, geript is doing reads with no backing (majority of game is doing that) but thats it he doesnt make any sort of conclusion from that. Just sorta tries to paint people in a bad light and leaves it at that. then you have the typical RL post that mafia like to fill their filters with. Idk he rubs me the wrong way so far with no meta to work with | ||
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If they were both mafia he sure would have something else to talk about. If he was mafia and geript was town well... he sure would have something else to talk about. Attacking geript is like really dumb at this point, over basically nothing. | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 19 2015 01:43 VayneAuthority wrote: well all his posts so far are nitpicking things but making no conclusion from it. oh kelsier is angry, geript is doing reads with no backing (majority of game is doing that) but thats it he doesnt make any sort of conclusion from that. Just sorta tries to paint people in a bad light and leaves it at that. then you have the typical RL post that mafia like to fill their filters with. Idk he rubs me the wrong way so far with no meta to work with Yeh I can see it that way. I don't have a read either way but leaning scum now. | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:50 VayneAuthority wrote: yamato im undecided, geript probably town, rels leaning mafia. thats probably a good start wait wtf? elaborate on geript and rels please? | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 19 2015 01:50 VayneAuthority wrote: yamato im undecided, geript probably town, rels leaning mafia. thats probably a good start can you explain both your geript read and the rels read. | ||
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rels jumps on plotspot for extremely dumb reason (forced emotion when we dont even have a meta for that basis), asks way too many questions (pretty much the majority of his filter), makes that stupid "afk plz post" thing and he still doesnt have a solid read yet, everything is a lean. | ||
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I heavily disagree with your Rels read. The sole fact that he went back and read the thread again and asked me about my yamato read points heavily towards him being town. It's like he reconsiders things, re-reads, and is interested in people's opinions. I don't think "not having a single solid read" at this point of the game is a valid thing for a scumread. | ||
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Kelsier for some reason doesn't give a fuck. | ||
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How do you go from this.... On July 19 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote: Yeh I can see it that way. I don't have a read either way but leaning scum now. ...to this: On July 19 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote: Yeh I can see it that way. I don't have a read either way but leaning scum now. ??? | ||
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EBWOP: Kelsier: How do you go from this.... ...to this: On July 19 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote: Yeh I can see it that way. I don't have a read either way but leaning scum now. ??? | ||
Damdred
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Anyway I did say most of it before you gave your initial town read on me. And how you can have a strong town read on ff no clue shrug, his town games better then this to an extreme. Idk what the point is trying to crucify me over an early lean but its whatever I don't really care | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:20 Damdred wrote: This will be an annoying game because rayn is bad. Anyway I did say most of it before you gave your initial town read on me. And how you can have a strong town read on ff no clue shrug, his town games better then this to an extreme. Idk what the point is trying to crucify me over an early lean but its whatever I don't really care You said yes now that i reread. I don't usually read irrelevant comments like that, because they are irrelevant. It just goes unnoticed for me. I have a town read on FF because of the conversation he had with you as he is questioning you over something i found really dumb from you (the Onegu thing). Apparently you somehow interpret that one totally differently. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fucking quotes: EBWOP: Kelsier: How do you go from this.... ...to this: ??? ...because I read VA's post | ||
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I am aware of the fact this does not make you 100% mafia. Talk about something else. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:25 KelsierSC wrote: ...because I read VA's post ehhh.... Did you read my post? | ||
Damdred
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On July 19 2015 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: You said yes now that i reread. I don't usually read irrelevant comments like that, because they are irrelevant. It just goes unnoticed for me. I have a town read on FF because of the conversation he had with you as he is questioning you over something i found really dumb from you (the Onegu thing). Apparently you somehow interpret that one totally differently. yeah I do actually because he isn't the one to bring oneg up initially I'm the one who brings it up and asks why neither of them ask about it and then get surly after he asks. So I still don't get how he gets town points for me initiating him asking about it | ||
KelsierSC
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yes but i disagree with you. I think it is easy for any alignment to say geript doesn't have any reasons for his reads. Saying it doesn't make sense for mafia Jonny to say it to town geript just isn't true. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:26 Damdred wrote: So I still don't get how he gets town points for me initiating him asking about it You AFAIK said something dumb ("Onegu is interesting") when there was no reason to say so other than reactionwise (unless i am misreading something?). FF's reaction is "why do you think that?" You say "too late bye" FF says "then why do you complain about it in the first place?" In my opinion FF is acting reasonably, you are not. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vayne can you go read the argument i had with Damdred and tell me what you think about it and his read on FF? Kelsier for some reason doesn't give a fuck. I think the problem is you are treating it like Damdred has given a big case on FF and is calling him scum trying to get him lynched. Whereas Damdred has a scum lean and gave his reasons for it. So asking him to "find proof in the thread" etc. is unreasonable | ||
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I put that out there FF asks me something in the post I go well I'm more interested in why neither of you ask me about oneg now (towards kel and ff) ff goes -sigh- why is oneg interesting then I go byeee | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:31 KelsierSC wrote: I think the problem is you are treating it like Damdred has given a big case on FF and is calling him scum trying to get him lynched. Whereas Damdred has a scum lean and gave his reasons for it. So asking him to "find proof in the thread" etc. is unreasonable rofl. just look at what you are posting?!?! | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:31 Damdred wrote: That's not what happened at all I put that out there FF asks me something in the post I go well I'm more interested in why neither of you ask me about oneg now (towards kel and ff) ff goes -sigh- why is oneg interesting then I go byeee well either way the follow up post from FF is why i think he is town. Because he basically points out your "bullshit". | ||
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On July 18 2015 09:33 Damdred wrote: Phone likes to,screw with me,while I'm,typing making me look like Kirk. I'm surprised and intrigued that neither of you asked why oneg is interesting like you are missing this when ff asks me what's up with the commas but totally misses the other tgings | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl. just look at what you are posting?!?! you posted this On July 19 2015 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: You actually never said any of those things. The conversation you had with FF about Onegu - well FF comes out of it MUCH better looking than you do, because what he said is right. You somehow managed to turn it into "I had to pry ff to interact" when YOU were the one that bailed out of the conversation for whatever reason. Your point (1) is really dumb. It just is. Because it is not alignment indicative in any way, and you should know it. Your point (2) is fluff. That's how you interpret his posting. It doesn't make it true, because you can always say "X sounds [insert any word here]". You can interpret people's "tone" however you want and noone can say anything about it because you COULD actually think that. Furthermore you show no actual proof from the thread that makes FF mafia. Literally none. Like can i say here "you sound awfully angry Damdred, that probably makes you mafia"?? Because you do, however i do not think it's alignment indicative, but as per your definition that should make you mafia, no? which is you asking to damdred to "support a case" when in fact Damdred is given a scum lean. your response is disproportionate. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:33 Damdred wrote: like you are missing this when ff asks me what's up with the commas but totally misses the other tgings I don't know how you make this sound like FF does something wrong here. I often leave questions i think are stupid or irrelevant unaswered (or unquestioned), because it just takes space from important things in the thread. I can totally see FF doing that. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:34 KelsierSC wrote: you posted this which is you asking to damdred to "support a case" when in fact Damdred is given a scum lean. your response is disproportionate. If you think someone might be mafia you have something to support your read. These reads comes from what people post in the thread, NOWHERE else. Like what the fucking fuck, i am soon getting angry here. Because you are being really obtuse and saying something that makes zero fucking sense. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:37 Damdred wrote: What was important again in the thread? Ff thinks its important enough to ask why I had so many commas but not why oneg is interesting to me? tbh almost nothing was important at that time. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you think someone might be mafia you have something to support your read. These reads comes from what people post in the thread, NOWHERE else. Like what the fucking fuck, i am soon getting angry here. Because you are being really obtuse and saying something that makes zero fucking sense. it's pretty clear the scumlean damdred had is based on his conversation with fecal feast. Just read it, I don't really see how you want someone to "prove" a scum lean. Again you are trying to attack this like damdred has made a big case on ff being mafia which just isn't what happened. | ||
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On July 18 2015 16:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: geriptbwhat is your way of reading yamato? I mean, how do you read him? He's only being a little dickish. Like usually he's more short/assholey as town. | ||
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fecalfeast (2): Onegu, Fecalfeast plotspot (1): KelsierSC, yamato77 (1): geript Remember votes are done in this thread and MUST be accurate in spelling (I think lollolol). A "live" (15/20 minute delayed) vote count can be found always at: HERE. I shall add it to the OP. Also a general reminder that you MUST also have 1 page of filter at the end of this cycle. Failure to do so will be met with extreme punishment, maybe. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:44 geript wrote: He's only being a little dickish. Like usually he's more short/assholey as town. On July 18 2015 11:32 yamato77 wrote: Geript also not a terrible lynch. Neither is FF for that matter. But I'm getting ahead of myself. you found this not short or assholey then? | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vayne why i read JohnnyLaw as town is because he kinda attacks geript (and only geript) in his posts. If they were both mafia he sure would have something else to talk about. If he was mafia and geript was town well... he sure would have something else to talk about. Attacking geript is like really dumb at this point, over basically nothing. Quoting this so I read it again later. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:47 KelsierSC wrote: you found this not short or assholey then? Please read | ||
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On July 19 2015 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: meh Damdred is probably town after all. All you had to do was ask me Rayn. | ||
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i'm asking you a question so just answer it rather than dodge | ||
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On July 19 2015 03:07 KelsierSC wrote: i'm asking you a question so just answer it rather than dodge I'm telling you that you're asking a retarded question that would be answered by basic reading comprehension. | ||
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On July 19 2015 03:09 geript wrote: I'm telling you that you're asking a retarded question that would be answered by basic reading comprehension. just humour me and answer the question, | ||
Damdred
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On July 19 2015 02:54 geript wrote: @Damdred. Explain your Kelsier read. Sure, its partly meta based with how kel handles certain things in the thread. As mafia he generally doesn't get involved early in everything and instead just looks at one or two things without interjecting a lot of his own thoughts. Here I think he's been pretty involved and going against things that he doesn't agree with and pushes his own idea and even though its early he does sorta look at plot through different angles and his explanation and re evaluates. Its a bit early to declare him 99% town but id be pretty happy with saying he's town. | ||
plotspot
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Damdred: general sense making which is NAI, but does seem very involving and effortful, hence town lean Fecalfeast: not sure if “angry” is the right word but IMO he overreacts with the “I concede”, voting himself, talking to yamato about bussing, it’s all NAI. KSC: claiming VT, kinda aggressive towards me, is he town for doing this? Could he be mafia setting up an agenda? Onegu: pff, town? He’s quite carefree in his posts, I’d read him town. Yamato: suggesting a policy lynch, yamato not explaining a lot of things in the beginning, the interaction with Rels later kinda gives him his first townpoints in my eyes, On July 19 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote: For instance the somewhat pushing the policy lynch and some of his other posts just feel like he's thinking about the game a little bit at least. I can't quote atm but I'm pretty sure he is town. This kinda explains pretty well why I’d think yamato is town. JonnyLaw: ? too few posts, the tone looks towny though I don’t have any meta Geript: geript has a pregame excuse of being rather inactive, too few posts, I can’t read anything from him yet, though it is of course strange how he doesn’t explain why he wants to lynch Onegu, yamato or Kelsier Raynpelikoneet (mispelled filter name): I’d say town, but he draws so much ogi and meta, also some of his reads are quite mind-boggling to me: Like: 1. yamato is town after 3-4 posts of his 2. Vayne being town after 2 posts 3. jonnylaw 4-5 posts into town The thing is I kinda agree and have town vibes about them, but I don’t say “townpile” or “is town”, but that may just be the way he expresses himself. Rels: I’d tend to agree with VA, but Rels is like this, asking many questions, often citing unanswered questions from somebody else and asking them to be answered, it’s NAI imo. Not sure about Rels, could have been voting me to get info. VayneAuthority: late, but imo good entrance, he does provide reasons for his reads when prompted, townlean I have to eat dinner now. If you want my opinion on particular topics, I'll try to give my opinions later. | ||
geript
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How can it be not short/assholey when the point I'm making is that he's more short/assholey as town? | ||
plotspot
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raynpelikoneet
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Why can't i make the same read Damdred did? Smells like bullshit. Also you have unanswered questions in thread. | ||
geript
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On July 19 2015 03:24 Damdred wrote: Sure, its partly meta based with how kel handles certain things in the thread. As mafia he generally doesn't get involved early in everything and instead just looks at one or two things without interjecting a lot of his own thoughts. Here I think he's been pretty involved and going against things that he doesn't agree with and pushes his own idea and even though its early he does sorta look at plot through different angles and his explanation and re evaluates. Its a bit early to declare him 99% town but id be pretty happy with saying he's town. <3. I disagree with you read but meh I don't play with him that much. | ||
yamato77
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Geript now #1 lynch. | ||
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KelsierSC
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On July 19 2015 03:30 geript wrote: How can it be not short/assholey when the point I'm making is that he's more short/assholey as town? right but i am curious how you read that post as anything but short or being an asshole. | ||
yamato77
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On July 19 2015 03:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really want to know why my read on yamato is shit and Damdred's is really good when we posted the exact same reasoning for the read and i even did it first. He didn't specifically say that. I think his issue with you is more that he just doesn't see as much of the explanatory stuff coming from you, when you make the initial read at least. | ||
geript
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Yam might be town, but I didn't really like his response to me. It felt like it was lacking something. Plus he didn't really terribly respond to my vote on him, but I kinda think that would happen as either alignment. Onegu is probably the best lynch today. Either him or maybe plotspot. Plot's a good policy lynch, but Onegu's really missing something. I think it's that his joke isn't actually funny and it's a minor joke. Vayne I'm kinda guessing is town. But I think that's because he's only townread me as town. It kinda scares me that he kinda seems to care about the game. I have a hard time thinking that he'd actively consider or follow how he reads me. Damdred is my mason partner. So I don't have to bother reading him. It's pretty sweet and shit at the same time. I want to look in Rels/Kels read. I forget which, but I'm feeling extra lazy. Otherwise I'm kinda meh on people. | ||
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On July 19 2015 03:39 yamato77 wrote: He didn't specifically say that. I think his issue with you is more that he just doesn't see as much of the explanatory stuff coming from you, when you make the initial read at least. if that is the case he isn't reading the thread properly since i have explained every single read of mine. | ||
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KelsierSC
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On July 19 2015 03:43 geript wrote: I lied. I want to lynch Kelsier now. I don't understand how he can even make the argument he's trying to make if he's town. So there's one. which argument? | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 19 2015 03:38 KelsierSC wrote: right but i am curious how you read that post as anything but short or being an asshole. | ||
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plotspot
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On July 19 2015 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: plotspot elaborate your read on me, particularly the yamato part. Why can't i make the same read Damdred did? Smells like bullshit. Also you have unanswered questions in thread. yamato has made 3 posts before you said "nvm yamato is town". Damdred only said "Kinda think Yamato feels town". In my opinion there is a difference in certainty the way both of you expressed it. It's just that that I think is strange. You might have advanced meta and be able to pinpoint yamato as town immediately after only 3 posts, that could be. I'll answer your earlier questions later. | ||
geript
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On July 19 2015 02:47 KelsierSC wrote: you found this not short or assholey then? Like this is basic reading comprehension. How can he get that I'm trying to say that Yam's post was not short/assholey? Like me using the word more literally means that I found the post lacking an amount of shortness/assholery that town yam levels usually are. On July 19 2015 03:38 KelsierSC wrote: right but i am curious how you read that post as anything but short or being an asshole. Then he's trying to make the point that the post is short/assholey but I'm not reading it that way. Like I've been really fucking clear about this. | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 19 2015 03:41 geript wrote: I'm actually pretty sure that there's exactly 1 between JohnnyLaw and Rayn and I'm not sure who's the town. Yam might be town, but I didn't really like his response to me. It felt like it was lacking something. Plus he didn't really terribly respond to my vote on him, but I kinda think that would happen as either alignment. Onegu is probably the best lynch today. Either him or maybe plotspot. Plot's a good policy lynch, but Onegu's really missing something. I think it's that his joke isn't actually funny and it's a minor joke. Vayne I'm kinda guessing is town. But I think that's because he's only townread me as town. It kinda scares me that he kinda seems to care about the game. I have a hard time thinking that he'd actively consider or follow how he reads me. Damdred is my mason partner. So I don't have to bother reading him. It's pretty sweet and shit at the same time. I want to look in Rels/Kels read. I forget which, but I'm feeling extra lazy. Otherwise I'm kinda meh on people. where did yamato even respond to you? a lot of the plotspot thing isn't even polict | ||
geript
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On July 19 2015 03:48 plotspot wrote: yamato has made 3 posts before you said "nvm yamato is town". Damdred only said "Kinda think Yamato feels town". In my opinion there is a difference in certainty the way both of you expressed it. It's just that that I think is strange. You might have advanced meta and be able to pinpoint yamato as town immediately after only 3 posts, that could be. I'll answer your earlier questions later. If you don't know why someone does something you do not form a read based on it. Why are you doing so? Or what is that even doing in your post when you don't know what it means? | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 19 2015 03:48 geript wrote: Like this is basic reading comprehension. How can he get that I'm trying to say that Yam's post was not short/assholey? Like me using the word more literally means that I found the post lacking an amount of shortness/assholery that town yam levels usually are. Then he's trying to make the point that the post is short/assholey but I'm not reading it that way. Like I've been really fucking clear about this. i was wanting you to really explain how that post made you read yam as mafia because On July 18 2015 11:07 geript wrote: I want to lynch Onegu or yam... maybe kelsier On July 18 2015 11:32 yamato77 wrote: Geript also not a terrible lynch. Neither is FF for that matter. But I'm getting ahead of myself. you had yamato as mafia before that post even happened. so you say he is town when he is short and dickish, but essentially you first mafia read him for these posts. On July 18 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote: I propose a policy lynch of plotspot On July 18 2015 08:31 yamato77 wrote: I still want to lynch plotspot. where clearly he is being long-winded mafia? =) | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 19 2015 03:49 KelsierSC wrote: where did yamato even respond to you? a lot of the plotspot thing isn't even polict | ||
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geript
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KelsierSC
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On July 19 2015 03:58 geript wrote: Kelsier confirmed taking all of my arguments and twisting them. right | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On July 19 2015 03:58 geript wrote: Kelsier confirmed taking all of my arguments and twisting them. idk his argument looks pretty solid to me. so you would probably want to elaborate, and be precise which you have lacked so far. Also you need to tell me how on earth a townie comes to conclusion "one of JohnnyLaw/rayn is mafia" based on what has happened in the game. | ||
Damdred
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I don't think geript is a good lynch at all. Its based a bit on crappy meta and gut feelings a bit. Meh | ||
geript
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On July 19 2015 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk his argument looks pretty solid to me. so you would probably want to elaborate, and be precise which you have lacked so far. Also you need to tell me how on earth a townie comes to conclusion "one of JohnnyLaw/rayn is mafia" based on what has happened in the game. 1. Because your townread on him is complete shit. 2. There's a good reason think each one of you is mafia. 3. How you've addressed him is exceptionally unlikely to make it that you two are aligned. | ||
raynpelikoneet
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On July 19 2015 04:03 geript wrote: 1. Because your townread on him is complete shit. 2. There's a good reason think each one of you is mafia. 3. How you've addressed him is exceptionally unlikely to make it that you two are aligned. no, this read is shit. like is your read on yamato and kelsier. | ||
yamato77
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On July 19 2015 04:01 Damdred wrote: This is difficult. I don't think geript is a good lynch at all. Its based a bit on crappy meta and gut feelings a bit. Meh Well you should probably explain, given that a good portion of my townreads want to lynch him. | ||
geript
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On July 19 2015 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: no, this read is shit. like is your read on yamato and kelsier. Nope it's not. People seem to be happy to let everyone be fine with townreads on Johnny. But he has done basically nothing to be townread; and anyone who's townreading him is doing so awfully. So when that continues, it's generally because the guy is mafia. Yet you haven't cared about the fact that I'm not townreading Johnny whatsoever. You haven't even bothered with it. Plus the reasoning that I quoted is shit. Quite often as mafia, you call people town to look good for awful reasons. Just so that you can emulate your townplay. You could be not wanting to bus, but I find that unlikely. Second, you've failed to go through and actually analyze the argument I'm making and Kelsier is making. Like if you followed the thread in context, you'd understand the point I've made. It's not me taking things out of context whatsoever. Rather, Kelsier has continued to ask stupid questions and try to make points that are literally not following any reality in the thread. For example, he's quoted the post where Yam responded to me, and yet as asked where Yam responded to me. He's constantly asked why I don't find his posts to be short/assholey. Yet my wording has specifically and clearly pointed out that I find them short/assholey. Rather the point I've been making is that Yam doesn't feel short/assholey enough; that as town, he's usually more prone to being extra dumb/short/assholey. Which is why I'm thinking he might be town considering his follow up. But Kelsier isn't actually trying to think about what I've said. He's just trying to be active. | ||
yamato77
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On July 19 2015 04:12 geript wrote: Nope it's not. People seem to be happy to let everyone be fine with townreads on Johnny. But he has done basically nothing to be townread; and anyone who's townreading him is doing so awfully. So when that continues, it's generally because the guy is mafia. Yet you haven't cared about the fact that I'm not townreading Johnny whatsoever. You haven't even bothered with it. Plus the reasoning that I quoted is shit. Quite often as mafia, you call people town to look good for awful reasons. Just so that you can emulate your townplay. You could be not wanting to bus, but I find that unlikely. Second, you've failed to go through and actually analyze the argument I'm making and Kelsier is making. Like if you followed the thread in context, you'd understand the point I've made. It's not me taking things out of context whatsoever. Rather, Kelsier has continued to ask stupid questions and try to make points that are literally not following any reality in the thread. For example, he's quoted the post where Yam responded to me, and yet as asked where Yam responded to me. He's constantly asked why I don't find his posts to be short/assholey. Yet my wording has specifically and clearly pointed out that I find them short/assholey. Rather the point I've been making is that Yam doesn't feel short/assholey enough; that as town, he's usually more prone to being extra dumb/short/assholey. Which is why I'm thinking he might be town considering his follow up. But Kelsier isn't actually trying to think about what I've said. He's just trying to be active. I'm not enough of an asshole. That is just too dumb. | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 19 2015 04:12 geript wrote: Nope it's not. People seem to be happy to let everyone be fine with townreads on Johnny. But he has done basically nothing to be townread; and anyone who's townreading him is doing so awfully. So when that continues, it's generally because the guy is mafia. Yet you haven't cared about the fact that I'm not townreading Johnny whatsoever. You haven't even bothered with it. Plus the reasoning that I quoted is shit. Quite often as mafia, you call people town to look good for awful reasons. Just so that you can emulate your townplay. You could be not wanting to bus, but I find that unlikely. Second, you've failed to go through and actually analyze the argument I'm making and Kelsier is making. Like if you followed the thread in context, you'd understand the point I've made. It's not me taking things out of context whatsoever. Rather, Kelsier has continued to ask stupid questions and try to make points that are literally not following any reality in the thread. For example, he's quoted the post where Yam responded to me, and yet as asked where Yam responded to me. He's constantly asked why I don't find his posts to be short/assholey. Yet my wording has specifically and clearly pointed out that I find them short/assholey. Rather the point I've been making is that Yam doesn't feel short/assholey enough; that as town, he's usually more prone to being extra dumb/short/assholey. Which is why I'm thinking he might be town considering his follow up. But Kelsier isn't actually trying to think about what I've said. He's just trying to be active. yam didn't respond to you , he was saying you would be a good lynch. You have mentioned his response to you, and to your vote. where is this? The reason I had to ask constantly was because it was important to establish the timeline. You stated that you thought yamato was mafia for being "not short/not an asshole". This didn't ring right in my head so I checked the timeline and I asked you specifically about that post. you confirmed that the post i quoted led you to believe that yamato was mafia. But as I pointed out you had yamato as mafia before he even posted that. It was for two short posts about plynching plotspot. which goes against your reasoning I don't have to convince you that you're mafia, I just have to convince town. | ||
raynpelikoneet
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So please, unless you want to just throw shit out here rephrase your argument and an answer to Kelsier's case and ACTUALLY show why he is wrong and you are not. | ||
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Damdred
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One thing I've noticed about geript as scum os his ability to make posts early that are extremely sensible but have the ability to try to get people on his side. One thing to look at is assassination mafia while its not a perfect example his explanation and posting made it extremely easy for GB and myself to like him to a degree. Kel caught him for an odd follow up explanation there, in art big game he had some of the same thing going on and rayn caught him for a somewhat changing story. In his town games he doesn't care who comes against him as he will just take the lynch and uell at people later. I just think this looks more like his town game calls out whatever he wants without trying to get on peoples good side. Even if what he's saying doesn't make 100% sense to everyone it seems to be what he thinks and I kinda think it makes him town. | ||
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On July 19 2015 04:31 Onegu wrote: Like how the hell is FF a top town read of yours rayn? He is not. My top town reads are Rels, Kelsier and yamato. | ||
Fecalfeast
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##unvote On July 19 2015 03:28 plotspot wrote: Thess are my rough reads so far. Damdred: general sense making which is NAI, but does seem very involving and effortful, hence town lean Fecalfeast: not sure if “angry” is the right word but IMO he overreacts with the “I concede”, voting himself, talking to yamato about bussing, it’s all NAI. KSC: claiming VT, kinda aggressive towards me, is he town for doing this? Could he be mafia setting up an agenda? Onegu: pff, town? He’s quite carefree in his posts, I’d read him town. Yamato: suggesting a policy lynch, yamato not explaining a lot of things in the beginning, the interaction with Rels later kinda gives him his first townpoints in my eyes, This kinda explains pretty well why I’d think yamato is town. JonnyLaw: ? too few posts, the tone looks towny though I don’t have any meta Geript: geript has a pregame excuse of being rather inactive, too few posts, I can’t read anything from him yet, though it is of course strange how he doesn’t explain why he wants to lynch Onegu, yamato or Kelsier Raynpelikoneet (mispelled filter name): I’d say town, but he draws so much ogi and meta, also some of his reads are quite mind-boggling to me: Like: 1. yamato is town after 3-4 posts of his 2. Vayne being town after 2 posts 3. jonnylaw 4-5 posts into town The thing is I kinda agree and have town vibes about them, but I don’t say “townpile” or “is town”, but that may just be the way he expresses himself. Rels: I’d tend to agree with VA, but Rels is like this, asking many questions, often citing unanswered questions from somebody else and asking them to be answered, it’s NAI imo. Not sure about Rels, could have been voting me to get info. VayneAuthority: late, but imo good entrance, he does provide reasons for his reads when prompted, townlean I have to eat dinner now. If you want my opinion on particular topics, I'll try to give my opinions later. to sum up this list: damd: townlean because he is involved and displays a lot of effort (where?) mecalfeast: null kelsier: Could he be town? Maybe mafia? Onegu: easiest townread ever yam: damdred said why i think he's town jonnylaw: town for no reason gerpit: no read given? rayn: town because he agree with me, though I think his reads are poorly thought out rels: null VA: townlean Where are your scumreads plotspot? Your list has 6 townreads/leans, 2 null reads and 2 people where you don't clearly state your read. bad list. | ||
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I would much rather kill plotspot at this juncture | ||
Onegu
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On July 19 2015 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Damdred can you elaborate on your FF read? Am i missing something? He is my strongest townread after Rels. Then what changed? | ||
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Kelsier and yamato got townier than before. | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 19 2015 04:45 Fecalfeast wrote: After reading geript I thought he didn't seem too bad but kelsier is correct that yamato never actually responded to geript. I personally don't think this alone is enough to lynch geript though. I would much rather kill plotspot at this juncture right..because that's all i posted did you really read? | ||
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Damdred
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On July 19 2015 04:45 Fecalfeast wrote: After reading geript I thought he didn't seem too bad but kelsier is correct that yamato never actually responded to geript. I personally don't think this alone is enough to lynch geript though. I would much rather kill plotspot at this juncture I noticed that you don't really have much justification, why is geript not so bad here? Why plot here? | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 19 2015 05:02 Damdred wrote: I noticed that you don't really have much justification, why is geript not so bad here? Why plot here? yeh damdred, give him lessons on justifying towngeript! | ||
Damdred
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On July 19 2015 05:02 KelsierSC wrote: yeh damdred, give him lessons on justifying towngeript! I figured one person would give a sarcastic remark. Nobody responded to why I think he's town, however I think its a good point if someone says I don't think x is bad after reading they need to show some form of reasoning behind it | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On July 19 2015 04:29 Damdred wrote: This is a bit hard to quantify but I'll try. One thing I've noticed about geript as scum os his ability to make posts early that are extremely sensible but have the ability to try to get people on his side. One thing to look at is assassination mafia while its not a perfect example his explanation and posting made it extremely easy for GB and myself to like him to a degree. Kel caught him for an odd follow up explanation there, in art big game he had some of the same thing going on and rayn caught him for a somewhat changing story. In his town games he doesn't care who comes against him as he will just take the lynch and uell at people later. I just think this looks more like his town game calls out whatever he wants without trying to get on peoples good side. Even if what he's saying doesn't make 100% sense to everyone it seems to be what he thinks and I kinda think it makes him town. To answer you, i don't think you are correct here. Especially the underlined part. How can you come to a conclusion geript is town when you yourself say he has been caught in inconsistancies? Also you are not proposing an alternative lynch. Which i would expect you to do if you don't truly like the lynch. Because why wouldn't you? | ||
plotspot
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On July 19 2015 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you don't know why someone does something you do not form a read based on it. Why are you doing so? Or what is that even doing in your post when you don't know what it means? Wait, I didn't form a read about you based on not knowing where you got your hard townread on yamato so fast. I was wondering how you can townread someone so fast. You say "yamato is town" at that moment. Is it (a) you have advanced meta or (b) you think "yamato might be town" but say "yamato is town" for undisclosed reasons? Which is it? On July 19 2015 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i think this is really bad. plotspot what is this "info" you are talking about here? obviously you want to share all info you have (not talking about claiming here). Why wouldn't you? This was a general remark by me how I think certain info shouldn't be shared to town, because mafia can also read it. I can take for example the game where I was town roleblocker. It would have been nice for me to tell town who I roleblocked in the thread, but mafia knowing that could have wifomed a lot of stuff.. pff it was complicated stuff. In this particular case the "info" is just me explaining why I claimed vanilla cop. I thought about whether revealing the info gives mafia any advantage beyond town. I decided no and did it. On July 19 2015 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like this is what bothers me with plotspot. He uses two different explanations for his actions. There is nothing alignment indicative in his claim itself. He says he has planned that some weeks ago, so he would do that as either alignment most likely. The problem is, i don't understand (1) his explanation Kelsier pointed out and (2) what is he trying to gain? Like i don't get how anyone can think claiming "vanilla cop" does "confuse" mafia (but not town). Also he said it was a reaction test so; I want to hear it from him, what did he gain. What conclusions did he come up with for the reactions, and why. Otherwise probably mafia trying to just post something and talk about irrelevant things that have nothing to do with scumhunting. You wanted to know what I got from my reactions. Not much besides two people asking me "why you do that?" and one "any reaction and conclusion about the reaction from the claim?". I do get however that the rest, which majority is made up by town, kinda ignores it, which shows me they don't want to dug around it and hinder more important topics, which is good. | ||
Damdred
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Ibsaid it was hard to quantify, I don't think that makes it invalid at all as he is clearly saying whatever the hell he wants if it makes sense or not. in other games he tries to get on peoples good sides and that's where it gets somewhat inconsistent. I explained what he got caught on but it doesn't invalidate what I said though, or the main poont | ||
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On July 19 2015 05:02 Damdred wrote: I noticed that you don't really have much justification, why is geript not so bad here? Why plot here? geript is not so bad because when reading his filter alone, he seems to be looking at the game as a whole rather than focusing on people until he starts in on kelsier. It looks like a towny thought process to me: 'analyse game until someone stands out, focus on them' On July 19 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote: mathematically speaking, there are more town than mafia in a given game. Therefor, criticizing someone for having too many townreads is just retarded. Are you referring to my criticism of plotspot's list? If so I am not so much scumming the amount of townreads, I am scumming the idea that he can have so many townreads this early with such weak reasoning. After reading the thread: Rayn, you're a doll for defending me so hard but I feel like that whole conversation was drawn out a lot longer than it should have been. I think after reading the geript stuff in context that he looks much worse. The reluctance to respond to questions on top of his inconsistent story make me see what the commotion is about. I could lynch geript for sure. Damdred's reasoning that geript doesn't seem to mind what people think of him and using that as reason to call him town is shaky at best. Geript is not going to have the same scum meta every time, he is a strong player in my opinion and could certainly pick up on his own meta. | ||
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damd towny yam kinda scumlean jonnylaw kinda scumlean I haven't put a whole lot of effort into this game so far so that's all I can think of off the top of my head | ||
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On July 19 2015 06:00 yamato77 wrote: I think FF/geript are both good lynches why? | ||
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Why are my reads silly? | ||
yamato77
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On July 19 2015 06:13 Fecalfeast wrote: therefore I am scum? Do you know whether I have silly d1 reads often or only as scum? Why are my reads silly? Plotspot is scum for a post where he actually says reasonable things damdred is town (not silly, but EZ) I am scum because ? JL is scum because >_> you 180 on geript for basically no reason I think you're just making up reads tbh | ||
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Damdred
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What in context really caused the 180 flip | ||
Fecalfeast
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JL's posts were hardly game related and lack any substance, i've never heard of him so judging from that alone it seems like he's having trouble entering the game yamato wants to lynch me and imo totally giving plotspot a daypass for his shit list is shit | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
it's a "better than geript/ff" pass | ||
geript
10024 Posts
Kelsier is I'm pretty sure the best lynch. I don't get why nobody else doesn't see it. | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 19 2015 07:23 geript wrote: I'm not sure what to think of ff. His reasons for thinking me town are really weak. And he doesn't think much of Damdred's reasons for thinking I'm town which are actually quite good. He also seems to ignore Vayne's read on me which I thought wasn't terrible. Kelsier is I'm pretty sure the best lynch. I don't get why nobody else doesn't see it. lol you actually still believe this, you haven't even responded to my points, your main issue with me is about me "consntantly asking a question" i did this because , partly because you didn't answer and because it was an issue for me when you gave your yamato reasons. so considering i cleared that up how can you still have me as scum? | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
On July 18 2015 18:07 JonnyLaw wrote: well seems dead here. 3am and head full of beer i'll be back in the morning. ff seems relaxed to me. comfortable acting as a townie even. kelsier's aggressive. geript's posts make no sense to me. Yhis seems a bit weird to me. The ff read I want explained a bit more and the kel/geript thing now when he gets here. I don't believe in scum slips but that sentence about ff acting as a townie kinda rubs me wrong | ||
LightningStrike
United States14275 Posts
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, KelsierSC fecalfeast (1): Onegu, yamato77 (0): KelsierSC (1): geript plotspot (0): Remember votes are done in this thread and MUST be accurate in spelling. A "live" (15/20 minute delayed) vote count can be found always at: HERE. Also a general reminder that you MUST also have 1 page of filter at the end of this cycle. Failure to do so will be met with extreme punishment, maybe. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
it is quite sad | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
I was incorrect. You still want to kill me or what? | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
It's quite unfortunate that no one is really playing today because I won't be around much tomorrow, and definitely won't be here at deadline. | ||
Onegu
United States9694 Posts
##Vote: Rayn He forgot me in a list and then when I called him scum he didnt say anything. Soulread gogo | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
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Onegu
United States9694 Posts
On July 19 2015 15:35 yamato77 wrote: onegu my faith in you is flagging Yet the faith in myself is waxing | ||
geript
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yamato77
11589 Posts
##Vote: geript if I don't come back, just assume I'm fine with most things aside from lynching rayn/damdred | ||
JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
On July 19 2015 17:16 yamato77 wrote: I'll go to bed with this ##Vote: geript if I don't come back, just assume I'm fine with most things aside from lynching rayn/damdred I'll take that as a yes | ||
Onegu
United States9694 Posts
No townreads. Everyone null except those 2. | ||
Onegu
United States9694 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
i'm catching up | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
no reason to change my mind you should all vote geript | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
While,Johnny hasn't done anything, and ff is interesting. Ff to an extent isn't doing work and doesn't really push anything just kind of oh the side line not doing anything. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
First off Yam. He's literally complained about the game being dead while doing nothing about it. On top of that he's being useless as fuck. As town, he's capable of being not God awful. Yet this games, he's shit the bed and hasn't explained any read he's given. He's either mafia or intentionally playing for them. | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
fecalfeast (0): plotspot (0): yamato77 (0): KelsierSC (1): geript geript (3): raynpelikoneet, KelsierSC, yamato77 Rayn (1): Onegu Remember votes are done in this thread and MUST be accurate in spelling. A "live" (15/20 minute delayed) vote count can be found always at: HERE. Also a general reminder that you MUST also have 1 page of filter at the end of this cycle. Failure to do so will be met with extreme punishment, maybe. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I'd rather lynch into jjohnny/ff I think Johnny strange posts make me,want to lynch him a bit more. But ff posts make,me,scratch,my head. Like his weird 180 I'm not sure if this is more town or scum. Like he does it in the same post but doesn't push any of,his scum reads either. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
Oh yah. Somehow I'm pretty sure I have the longest filter. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
On July 20 2015 00:24 Damdred wrote: I don't want to lynch Yamato today though. I'd rather lynch into jjohnny/ff I think Johnny strange posts make me,want to lynch him a bit more. But ff posts make,me,scratch,my head. Like his weird 180 I'm not sure if this is more town or scum. Like he does it in the same post but doesn't push any of,his scum reads either. Add to this that yam doesn't care about killing plotspot at all either. Yam is a salty bitch and would follow through on his nacly if she were town. Like maybe Yam's on her period but that's unlikely. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
I really don't want to lynch Yamato today. And I'm not sold about Kel today, like I can see him doing it as town and my gut says town atm. Why wouldn't you want to lynch Johnny today geript | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
On July 20 2015 00:38 geript wrote: Add to this that yam doesn't care about killing plotspot at all either. Yam is a salty bitch and would follow through on his nacly if she were town. Like maybe Yam's on her period but that's unlikely. Do you want to,kill plot btw? | ||
geript
10024 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
However why is it that you have talked about Yamato so,much but have decided to lynch between rayn and johnny? | ||
geript
10024 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On July 20 2015 00:45 geript wrote: I want to kill one of Johnny and Rayn. And currently Raynes the winner ther. As for plot. Who fucking knows. He's a policy lynch. To me this sorta reads like you are deciding between the two. Not that you think one is scum other not | ||
geript
10024 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Rayn/Johnny Yamato Kel Ff Is this pretty close. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:00 Damdred wrote: So your scum list currently looks like this Rayn/Johnny Yamato Kel Ff Is this pretty close. Remove ff and add Onegu Ff I can't make heads or tails of. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Also I've posted a little about ff the past little,bit what do you think of it | ||
geript
10024 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:04 Damdred wrote: Why onegu, he seems to be as ok about lynching rayn as you are? What else brings you to think,he's scum His feels are bad. Usually as town he's both funny and will have decent random points he brings up. He's hit neither. | ||
VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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VayneAuthority
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Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 19 2015 03:48 geript wrote: Like this is basic reading comprehension. How can he get that I'm trying to say that Yam's post was not short/assholey? Like me using the word more literally means that I found the post lacking an amount of shortness/assholery that town yam levels usually are. Then he's trying to make the point that the post is short/assholey but I'm not reading it that way. Like I've been really fucking clear about this. geript, if you've been clear about this, I didn't understand. I had the same interrogation than KSC. But I don't want to lynch him today, 'cause I can't imagine a mafia being that loud about something day 1, when it's the easiest way to being lynch. I think Damdred said something similar about geript, like if he was mafia he would be way nicer than that. | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 19 2015 04:30 Onegu wrote: Also people scum reading me for activity are dumb. There is a reason why I would try harder this game even though I rolled VT. Would love to hear that reason. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
It doesn't make sense in one regard for scukfeast to do that like,that. But on the other hand lack of real trying I hold,against him. But I'd probably lynch Johnny over him maybe not lynch him at all today hrm | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 19 2015 17:35 JonnyLaw wrote: I'm very sorry for the 24 hour absence. I'll be here in the morning. I've spent the last twelve hours in the animal hospital with my dog. She's very sick and very young. It shouldn't impair my gameplay much more but I'm ten pages behind. Sorry to hear about that. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:13 Rels wrote: Caught up with the thread. I agree that geript is weird today. This post in particular: geript, if you've been clear about this, I didn't understand. I had the same interrogation than KSC. But I don't want to lynch him today, 'cause I can't imagine a mafia being that loud about something day 1, when it's the easiest way to being lynch. I think Damdred said something similar about geript, like if he was mafia he would be way nicer than that. So what's your read on Geript exactly | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
##vote Damdred | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
Town lean. Town points for being loud and talkative in a dead thread. Scum points for this contradiction: - he said yamato should be more dickish - KSC quoted a previous post of yamato and asked geript if he didn't find that post dicking - geript didn't answer the question and got angry | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote ##vote Damdred Why ? | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
Damdred is and yuo should all sheep me. | ||
VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: geript is not mafia. Damdred is and yuo should all sheep me. He is the guy that explained your weird read of yamato when you couldn't. So now it's your turn to explain things. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
He thinks geript is town but has no incentive to save geript. He doesn't even comment on geript's scumreads (one of me/JonnyLaw being scum). Trust me on this the dude is scum. | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 18 2015 18:39 Rels wrote: I don't understand this sentence. Are you town or scum reading his "relaxed" posts ? | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:24 Rels wrote: He is the guy that explained your weird read of yamato when you couldn't. So now it's your turn to explain things. No, he is smart. He picked up on what i was saying and put it into words. I was literally saying that before him. Just because he knows me and you do not does not make him town. Everyone who knows me knows what i was talking about. | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: damdred is mafia because he has no real scumreads. He thinks geript is town but has no incentive to save geript. He doesn't even comment on geript's scumreads (one of me/JonnyLaw being scum). Trust me on this the dude is scum. Only thing scummy IMO is this: He thinks geript is town but has no incentive to save geript. But if true if would be a big scumtell. Can you quote where he does this ? | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:21 Rels wrote: Town lean. Town points for being loud and talkative in a dead thread. Scum points for this contradiction: - he said yamato should be more dickish - KSC quoted a previous post of yamato and asked geript if he didn't find that post dicking - geript didn't answer the question and got angry So you give him more town points for the talking than the contradiction that's interesting. I'm not sure it's a contradiction necessarily meh. What do you think of rayn and why johnny | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
if i am wrong you can lynch me on D2. promise. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:27 Rels wrote: Only thing scummy IMO is this: He thinks geript is town but has no incentive to save geript. But if true if would be a big scumtell. Can you quote where he does this ? go read the last couple of pages. it is all there, when geript started posting. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
I think Johnny is scum for weird talk and general not caring. And listening to cases on rayn. Idk how I'm not trying tos ave Geript,either,meh | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:28 Damdred wrote: So you give him more town points for the talking than the contradiction that's interesting. I'm not sure it's a contradiction necessarily meh. What do you think of rayn and why johnny rayn seemed too nice to me to be town. I mean until now (= Don't know why but jonny's posts left a scummy impression on me, I'll reread them ... after I see if rayn's accusation of you is true or not. | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: go read the last couple of pages. it is all there, when geript started posting. Will do that now. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
so he has to be town and mafia doesn't give a fuck who (geript at the time) we are lynching. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:31 Damdred wrote: I honestly don't understand the explanation when other people are in thread I'm pushing a lynch Johnny or ff train of,thought idk you arent pushing anything. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:30 Rels wrote: rayn seemed too nice to me to be town. I mean until now (= Don't know why but jonny's posts left a scummy impression on me, I'll reread them ... after I see if rayn's accusation of you is true or not. How was rayn being to nice? I don't get it he hasn't been any nicer than normal to me? What does it make him? Waiting on Johnny read | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
Sure I am, I keep bringing the idea of Johnny or ff up to get someone other than Geript,lynched. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:39 geript wrote: Rayn. Damdy is not mafia. And only an idiot wouldn't listen to my read on him. well you are going to be wrong here. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
##vote raynpelikoneet | ||
VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Rels
France13466 Posts
1 - Damdred thinks geript is town 2 - Damdred does not consider lynching someone else So rayn, quote them posts 'cause I didn't find them. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:41 Rels wrote: Read the posts after geript came back. I don't know you saw either of these two things: 1 - Damdred thinks geript is town 2 - Damdred does not consider lynching someone else So rayn, quote them posts 'cause I didn't find them. i won't. can you quote a single post where damdred pushes any other lynch? | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
On July 19 2015 04:29 Damdred wrote: This is a bit hard to quantify but I'll try. One thing I've noticed about geript as scum os his ability to make posts early that are extremely sensible but have the ability to try to get people on his side. One thing to look at is assassination mafia while its not a perfect example his explanation and posting made it extremely easy for GB and myself to like him to a degree. Kel caught him for an odd follow up explanation there, in art big game he had some of the same thing going on and rayn caught him for a somewhat changing story. In his town games he doesn't care who comes against him as he will just take the lynch and uell at people later. I just think this looks more like his town game calls out whatever he wants without trying to get on peoples good side. Even if what he's saying doesn't make 100% sense to everyone it seems to be what he thinks and I kinda think it makes him town. here he thinks geript is town. now find me a post where he pushes a lynch. because it never happens i can't do it. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote: Rayn can't be this bad as town he just can't be. ##vote raynpelikoneet No he actually can be quite bad as town sometimes. If we want to lynch someone for being bad, then we should lynch yamato. Because she has no thought process whatsoever and rels pointed that out. She doesn't seem interested in doing anything more than saying X and Y person is mafia. She bitches about dead game and proceeds to do nothing to shock the game back to life. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
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Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: i won't. can you quote a single post where damdred pushes any other lynch? Sure. First post after geript came back. On July 19 2015 23:05 Damdred wrote: Actually I think we lynch Johnny or ff here instead big Geript if you want but if he's town (which I think,he is) get as many reads as we can. While,Johnny hasn't done anything, and ff is interesting. Ff to an extent isn't doing work and doesn't really push anything just kind of oh the side line not doing anything. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:45 Rels wrote: Sure. First post after geript came back. this is not a push of getting someone lynched. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
Thinks,I'm a great town read early after I give reasons for ff scum lean. He shot fights with me and says I'm scum because of restated reasons of why ff was scum even though he town read me after I initially said then. Nothing happens all,of a sudden rayn says damdred is probably town again. One I'm,scum for,not,pushing anything,when I've,been,questioning and putting what I,think,in,thread Rayn is scum | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:46 Damdred wrote: Thinks,I'm a great town read early after I give reasons for ff scum lean. quotes please. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:48 geript wrote: Rayn. Town thought process. Like. I know how to read damdred. LIke the past 4 games once I've made up my mind I've been right and haven't changed it. And in at least 3 of those game I made up my mind 1 post in from him. well then you should lynch me. | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 18 2015 08:17 JonnyLaw wrote: hi guys What's a scut? Fecalfeast is your id picked from an awesome band or....? Too scared to google it. First post, seems forced to me. On July 18 2015 08:18 JonnyLaw wrote: and man, ksc you're so angry out the door. On July 18 2015 17:29 JonnyLaw wrote: what are you seeing that makes Yamato town? geript's posted twice and both posts are calling people scum with no backing. making me nervous geript. On July 18 2015 18:07 JonnyLaw wrote: well seems dead here. 3am and head full of beer i'll be back in the morning. ff seems relaxed to me. comfortable acting as a townie even. kelsier's aggressive. geript's posts make no sense to me. Random remarks about yamato, KSC, geript, ff. On July 19 2015 17:35 JonnyLaw wrote: I'm very sorry for the 24 hour absence. I'll be here in the morning. I've spent the last twelve hours in the animal hospital with my dog. She's very sick and very young. It shouldn't impair my gameplay much more but I'm ten pages behind. Excuse, even if super sad. So: forced first post, remarks that are useless to the game, excuse. Would lynch that. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
I have seen enough and it doesn't look good. | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
##Vote JonnyLaw | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
His vote on me is bad. That's all he has really done. He hasn't done anything else. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
I'd vote Johnny or rayn today. Why the did you change order geript | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: His FF case is bad. His vote on me is bad. That's all he has really done. He hasn't done anything else. Almost as bad as someone not reading,the game,eh rayn | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:51 Damdred wrote: I'd vote Johnny or rayn today. But i thought you think FF is scum which would make perfect sense if i am scum (as you are voting for me). So, a leap of logic again. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
So am i bad or scum? Because you are saying both here. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
Geript: "Yam is mafia for not being able to strong enough to bench 300" Kelsier: "So you're saying Yam is weak" Geript: "English motherfucker. Do you speak it?" Kelsier: "So Yam benching 200 makes him not strong?" Geript: "ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER!!! DO YOU SPEAK IT??????" Kelsier: "Geript clearly maf." Everything else is basically random inane pushes in the most god awful way. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
No. You can be wrong and be town. And I was able to see how you think. Which is what I need. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also thought you think i am scum which makes me not bad, but scum. So am i bad or scum? Because you are saying both here. Not true I think your bad as scum to | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: No we are not lynching Kelsier because he is town. Have you seen that interaction? It's literally just like when Wave tried to attack me for attacking random joe schmoe 2-3 games ago. I was like, "Pretty sure X guy is mafia because he's lynchbait yet no one jumped on that shit." Wave was like, "If his posting isn't bad, then how can mafia jump on it." Like I'm obviously talking about X guy's posting being bad and Wave was making a terribad argument. Same thing here. Not only that, Kelsier keeps on extending it JUST LIKE WAVE DID!!! There's literally nothing that shows any sort of basic thought put into his read because it's obvious because of the nature of the language. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:54 geript wrote: Or we can just lynch Kelsier for his stupidity. Basic run down of analogous conversation: Geript: "Yam is mafia for not being able to strong enough to bench 300" Kelsier: "So you're saying Yam is weak" Geript: "English motherfucker. Do you speak it?" Kelsier: "So Yam benching 200 makes him not strong?" Geript: "ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER!!! DO YOU SPEAK IT??????" Kelsier: "Geript clearly maf." Everything else is basically random inane pushes in the most god awful way. Like rayn. Pretend that this was the exact conversation. Explain to me how Kelsier can make the argument he makes as town. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
On July 19 2015 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Damdred can you elaborate on your FF read? Am i missing something? He is my strongest townread after Rels. On July 19 2015 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: this is in fact a really terrible read Damdred. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
On July 20 2015 02:00 geript wrote: Like rayn. Pretend that this was the exact conversation. Explain to me how Kelsier can make the argument he makes as town. i won't, because that's not the actual conversation. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
##unvote ##Vote Jonnylaw | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
The rest of the points are true but don't,make,him,scum | ||
Onegu
United States9694 Posts
Geript confirmed cant read me. Check database. But he is most likely town. @rels suprised someone hasnt answered that. It because rayn is back! But rayn is scum and I am not and this makes me sad. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
Rayn ands damdred both probably are Johnny lynch is a complete crapshoot. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
On July 20 2015 02:22 yamato77 wrote: Geript is not town. Rayn ands damdred both probably are Johnny lynch is a complete crapshoot. See. She continues to be useless. | ||
JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
@rels when i said he feels relaxed someone was accusing him of being scum for using "weird smilies." is this really a thing? i thought he just posted whatever he wanted since it was a couple hours into day 1 at the time. Why do one of rayn or I have to be mafia? I don't understand your thinking here. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
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Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 20 2015 02:41 JonnyLaw wrote: @rels when i said he feels relaxed someone was accusing him of being scum for using "weird smilies." Wait I don't understand. Can you confirm you're saying this sentence: On July 18 2015 18:07 JonnyLaw wrote: ff seems relaxed to me. comfortable acting as a townie even. was to defend FF against someone accusing him of being scum for using "weird smilies" ? | ||
geript
10024 Posts
And done | ||
geript
10024 Posts
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Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 20 2015 02:50 Rels wrote: Wait I don't understand. Can you confirm you're saying this sentence: was to defend FF against someone accusing him of being scum for using "weird smilies" ? ?? | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
And I'd rather not lynch Yamato today | ||
JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
I want to know where geript's tunneled idea comes from that either rayn OR I have to be scum. Checking now, but as far as I recall he's picking out two players who didn't interact in the thread and calling one of them scum. it feels like a ploy, i mean like a set up play to divert attention. Think this way. "i'm going into this game with this plan to keep town focused on two people." that's not town behavior. It's a way to get town lynched, possibly two of them. this keeps the town distracted when one of them flips green. brilliant but i'm not digging it geript. ##vote geript | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
You beat me,to the question rels so yeah gj | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:04 JonnyLaw wrote: oh uhh...sure I don't know what I was thinking there to be honest. I was writing a quick post before I passed out after a late night. Apparently it's what I felt at that particular moment. We can debate this one line if that's what you want but I'd rather talk about someone important. I want to know where geript's tunneled idea comes from that either rayn OR I have to be scum. Checking now, but as far as I recall he's picking out two players who didn't interact in the thread and calling one of them scum. it feels like a ploy, i mean like a set up play to divert attention. Think this way. "i'm going into this game with this plan to keep town focused on two people." that's not town behavior. It's a way to get town lynched, possibly two of them. this keeps the town distracted when one of them flips green. brilliant but i'm not digging it geript. ##vote geript I'm 99% sure that's not what Geript is doing | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:04 JonnyLaw wrote: oh uhh...sure I don't know what I was thinking there to be honest. I was writing a quick post before I passed out after a late night. Apparently it's what I felt at that particular moment. We can debate this one line if that's what you want but I'd rather talk about someone important. It's important for me. 'cause a townie would never forget the reason they posted something. You said your reason for posting the "relax" comment was: On July 20 2015 02:47 JonnyLaw wrote: I didn't say he was town I thought the "weird smilies" was just someone posting like they'd text or chat in a game. do you really have an idea what's going on that early in the game based on fucking smilies? But the "weird smilies" thing was on plotspot, not FF. So you just made up a reason, instead of immediately saying that you had no reason. I think you're mafia for that. I don't know why you would invent a (false) reason to rescind it the post after. | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
fecalfeast (0): plotspot (0): yamato77 (0): KelsierSC (1): geript geript (3): Rayn (1): Onegu Damdred (1): raynpelikoneet Onegu (1): VayneAuthority raynpelikoneet (0): Jonnylaw (1): Damdred Remember votes are done in this thread and MUST be accurate in spelling. A "live" (15/20 minute delayed) vote count can be found always at: HERE. Also a general reminder that you MUST also have 1 page of filter at the end of this cycle. Failure to do so will be met with extreme punishment, maybe. If you see an error please pm me (I think i see one so hang on ) | ||
Onegu
United States9694 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:07 Rels wrote: It's important for me. 'cause a townie would never forget the reason they posted something. You said your reason for posting the "relax" comment was: But the "weird smilies" thing was on plotspot, not FF. So you just made up a reason, instead of immediately saying that you had no reason. I think you're mafia for that. I don't know why you would invent a (false) reason to rescind it the post after. I forget shit I posted all the time as town... | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:54 geript wrote: Or we can just lynch Kelsier for his stupidity. Basic run down of analogous conversation: Geript: "Yam is mafia for not being able to strong enough to bench 300" Kelsier: "So you're saying Yam is weak" Geript: "English motherfucker. Do you speak it?" Kelsier: "So Yam benching 200 makes him not strong?" Geript: "ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER!!! DO YOU SPEAK IT??????" Kelsier: "Geript clearly maf." Everything else is basically random inane pushes in the most god awful way. that isn't what happened thanks for being incredibly rude to me though, it makes me feel better about lynching you | ||
yamato77
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On July 20 2015 03:09 KelsierSC wrote: that isn't what happened thanks for being incredibly rude to me though, it makes me feel better about lynching you I agree with this sentiment | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
OK. But I suppose you don't make up a reason when you have to explain it. A false reason at that, 'cause the "weird smilies" was on plot, not FF. | ||
Onegu
United States9694 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:11 Rels wrote: OK. But I suppose you don't make up a reason when you have to explain it. A false reason at that, 'cause the "weird smilies" was on plot, not FF. Yeah I guess | ||
JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:07 Rels wrote: It's important for me. 'cause a townie would never forget the reason they posted something. You said your reason for posting the "relax" comment was: But the "weird smilies" thing was on plotspot, not FF. So you just made up a reason, instead of immediately saying that you had no reason. I think you're mafia for that. I don't know why you would invent a (false) reason to rescind it the post after. huh? no townie would ever forget why they posted something? I remember my reasoning. I came into the thread, read it, and posted my initial feelings. No more, no less. That's it. it's not a political thing. it's just me saying how i feel when i read the game. you're tunneling hard on one line of one post from 12 hours into the game Rels. | ||
geript
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Again where is the response that yamato gives to you or his response to your vote because I don't see it? If someone wants to actually answer the case I raised against him and tell me why it's wrong and why you are not voting for him I would be interested, "uh i have a town read" does not count as a reason. | ||
Damdred
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You vote Geript on a sort of,made up reason saying,he's only focusing on two people and drawing all,attention to,them. Which is a lie btw, | ||
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Rels
France13466 Posts
Why I think JonnyLaw is mafia: an event timeline One Early in the game, JonnyLaw makes a comment on FecalFeast being relaxed. + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2015 18:07 JonnyLaw wrote: well seems dead here. 3am and head full of beer i'll be back in the morning. ff seems relaxed to me. comfortable acting as a townie even. kelsier's aggressive. geript's posts make no sense to me. Two Wanting to know more, I ask why he posted this. + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2015 18:39 Rels wrote: I don't understand this sentence. Are you town or scum reading his "relaxed" posts ? Three His explanation is the following: JonnyLaw posted to defend FecalFeast against someone saying that FecalFeast was doing "weird smilies". This explanation is false, as the one being accused of doing "weird smilies" was plotspot. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2015 02:41 JonnyLaw wrote: @rels when i said he feels relaxed someone was accusing him of being scum for using "weird smilies." is this really a thing? i thought he just posted whatever he wanted since it was a couple hours into day 1 at the time. Forth When I ask Jonny to confirm that explanation, he backs off and abandon his previous explanation. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2015 03:04 JonnyLaw wrote: oh uhh...sure I don't know what I was thinking there to be honest. I was writing a quick post before I passed out after a late night. Apparently it's what I felt at that particular moment. We can debate this one line if that's what you want but I'd rather talk about someone important. Conclusion The problem here isn't that he made a sentence without explanation. Lots of people here have posted "tone reads" or stuff like that. The problem is that he made up a false explanation, then gave it up when asked to confirm it. | ||
Damdred
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plotspot
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+ Show Spoiler + Damdred 0. pushing off a lynch on Geript and suggests Jonny or FF. 3. doesn’t want to lynch yamato 5. wants to consider lynching rayn, 14. reinforces reason on why ff is mafia Geript: 1. wants to lynch yamato, accusing him all sort of stuff, (yamato is a girl? ok), 2. wants to lynch Rayn for doing less than he could as town, basically much from the meta-soup, 4. wants to lynch Kelsier for asking stupid questions and being stupid in general 6. thinks either Rayn or jonny is mafia. 7. back to the circle of lynching among yamato/Rayn/Kelsier 8. (geript never thought of ff as scum, rather town) 9. add Onegu to the circle of possible mafia 20. more yamato Vayne: 10. thinks Onegu might be scum 11. 50/50 on jonny 12. ff looks town 18. Damdred is town Rels: 13. thinks geript is town XX. votes jonny Rayn: 15. votes Damdred 16. geript is town 17. Onegu might be scum 19. explains why Damdred is scum Yamato: 21. geript is mafia 22. Rayn and damdred both probably town It kinda boils down to Damdred, geript VS Rayn, Kelsier I am still thinking which side makes more sense. @geript: would be nice if you could provide the reasons why there is one town/mafia between Rayn and Jonny. | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:24 Rels wrote: OK there it is. Why I think JonnyLaw is mafia: an event timeline One Early in the game, JonnyLaw makes a comment on FecalFeast being relaxed. + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2015 18:07 JonnyLaw wrote: well seems dead here. 3am and head full of beer i'll be back in the morning. ff seems relaxed to me. comfortable acting as a townie even. kelsier's aggressive. geript's posts make no sense to me. Two Wanting to know more, I ask why he posted this. + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2015 18:39 Rels wrote: I don't understand this sentence. Are you town or scum reading his "relaxed" posts ? Three His explanation is the following: JonnyLaw posted to defend FecalFeast against someone saying that FecalFeast was doing "weird smilies". This explanation is false, as the one being accused of doing "weird smilies" was plotspot. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2015 02:41 JonnyLaw wrote: @rels when i said he feels relaxed someone was accusing him of being scum for using "weird smilies." is this really a thing? i thought he just posted whatever he wanted since it was a couple hours into day 1 at the time. Forth When I ask Jonny to confirm that explanation, he backs off and abandon his previous explanation. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2015 03:04 JonnyLaw wrote: oh uhh...sure I don't know what I was thinking there to be honest. I was writing a quick post before I passed out after a late night. Apparently it's what I felt at that particular moment. We can debate this one line if that's what you want but I'd rather talk about someone important. Conclusion The problem here isn't that he made a sentence without explanation. Lots of people here have posted "tone reads" or stuff like that. The problem is that he made up a false explanation, then gave it up when asked to confirm it. This is a pretty good case actually. I'm reading his post again where he ends up voting geript. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
Pay attention,and talk about what rels and I are saying about jonny read his vote on Geript. Talk about that | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:25 plotspot wrote: In the spoilers are basically the summary of notable events to me from p18 to 23. + Show Spoiler + Damdred 0. pushing off a lynch on Geript and suggests Jonny or FF. 3. doesn’t want to lynch yamato 5. wants to consider lynching rayn, 14. reinforces reason on why ff is mafia Geript: 1. wants to lynch yamato, accusing him all sort of stuff, (yamato is a girl? ok), 2. wants to lynch Rayn for doing less than he could as town, basically much from the meta-soup, 4. wants to lynch Kelsier for asking stupid questions and being stupid in general 6. thinks either Rayn or jonny is mafia. 7. back to the circle of lynching among yamato/Rayn/Kelsier 8. (geript never thought of ff as scum, rather town) 9. add Onegu to the circle of possible mafia 20. more yamato Vayne: 10. thinks Onegu might be scum 11. 50/50 on jonny 12. ff looks town 18. Damdred is town Rels: 13. thinks geript is town XX. votes jonny Rayn: 15. votes Damdred 16. geript is town 17. Onegu might be scum 19. explains why Damdred is scum Yamato: 21. geript is mafia 22. Rayn and damdred both probably town It kinda boils down to Damdred, geript VS Rayn, Kelsier I am still thinking which side makes more sense. @geript: would be nice if you could provide the reasons why there is one town/mafia between Rayn and Jonny. I've thought damdred was town the whole game | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
Kel as stubborn as you are, tell keywords the vote on,Geript doesn't look,horrible by jonny | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:04 JonnyLaw wrote: oh uhh...sure I don't know what I was thinking there to be honest. I was writing a quick post before I passed out after a late night. Apparently it's what I felt at that particular moment. We can debate this one line if that's what you want but I'd rather talk about someone important. I want to know where geript's tunneled idea comes from that either rayn OR I have to be scum. Checking now, but as far as I recall he's picking out two players who didn't interact in the thread and calling one of them scum. it feels like a ploy, i mean like a set up play to divert attention. Think this way. "i'm going into this game with this plan to keep town focused on two people." that's not town behavior. It's a way to get town lynched, possibly two of them. this keeps the town distracted when one of them flips green. brilliant but i'm not digging it geript. ##vote geript geript has made that point about rayn and yourself. But he has also talked about yamato and wanting to lynch me so he isn't trying to keep town focused. that point about you is enough to make you vote geript or did you read my case aswell? | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:34 Damdred wrote: Rels make sure you vote for jonny. Kel as stubborn as you are, tell keywords the vote on,Geript doesn't look,horrible by jonny i'm trying to figure him out right now. I don't think im being particularly stubborn, again there has been no refutation to my case and geript refuses to answer questions but instead says horrible things about me so I have no reason to change my read right now, | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:37 KelsierSC wrote: i'm trying to figure him out right now. I don't think im being particularly stubborn, again there has been no refutation to my case and geript refuses to answer questions but instead says horrible things about me so I have no reason to change my read right now, And tell me how that's good mafia play by geript? In assassination when you were heavily suspicious of him didn't he bend,over backwards to get you off his back? It doesn't make a lot of sense to me do Geript as scum to basically say f you I think,x y z is scum. | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:40 Damdred wrote: And tell me how that's good mafia play by geript? In assassination when you were heavily suspicious of him didn't he bend,over backwards to get you off his back? It doesn't make a lot of sense to me do Geript as scum to basically say f you I think,x y z is scum. geript wasn't in that game. | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
additionally I am presenting a clear case here with evidence from this game, so "look how he behaved in this game X months ago" does not hold much sway with me. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
Yes he was he was the smurf talking dead or something like that. And that game is very very his scum,game | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:44 KelsierSC wrote: additionally I am presenting a clear case here with evidence from this game, so "look how he behaved in this game X months ago" does not hold much sway with me. That's to bad the,because what you are saying doesn't make him,scum at all just dick town | ||
plotspot
800 Posts
Damdred vs Rayn geript vs Kelsier but Kelsier and rayn townreading eachother, while Damdred and geript do too. The crossrelation is more complicated: Kelsier thinks Damdred is town, while Damdred think Kelsier is ??? (sorry what is your read on Kel, Damdred, last I check it was town but that was from page 1 of your filter.) geript has Rayn as mafia, while rayn reads geript town. Yeah, I will look into jonny after eating. | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:46 Damdred wrote: That's to bad the,because what you are saying doesn't make him,scum at all just dick town so you didn't even read the case against him then | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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Damdred
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My reads are clear plot, Kel is dumb town. Geript also thinks rayn is town | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:49 Damdred wrote: No I just think,it'd a bad case. Where Geript doesn't care. And I see no mafia motivation in what he's doing My reads are clear plot, Kel is dumb town. Geript also thinks rayn is town why is it a bad case? I actually think my case against geript is well thought out, so calling me "dumb" is ridiculous. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote: why is it a bad case? I actually think my case against geript is well thought out, so calling me "dumb" is ridiculous. Mafia struggle to make good cases. And I was right about my points on your worthless original push. So get rekt mafia. | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:59 geript wrote: Mafia struggle to make good cases. And I was right about my points on your worthless original push. So get rekt mafia. you didn't respond to the case at all you just said that i asked stupid questions and called me mafia for it. | ||
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geript
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On July 20 2015 04:00 KelsierSC wrote: you didn't respond to the case at all you just said that i asked stupid questions and called me mafia for it. So I correctly stated your alignment and what you were doing. And I've correctly pointed out an EXACT conversation that is a homolog so that people can see it if they read back. So how does that make me wrong again mafia? | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 19 2015 03:52 KelsierSC wrote: i was wanting you to really explain how that post made you read yam as mafia because you had yamato as mafia before that post even happened. so you say he is town when he is short and dickish, but essentially you first mafia read him for these posts. where clearly he is being long-winded mafia? =) On July 19 2015 04:18 KelsierSC wrote: yam didn't respond to you , he was saying you would be a good lynch. You have mentioned his response to you, and to your vote. where is this? The reason I had to ask constantly was because it was important to establish the timeline. You stated that you thought yamato was mafia for being "not short/not an asshole". This didn't ring right in my head so I checked the timeline and I asked you specifically about that post. you confirmed that the post i quoted led you to believe that yamato was mafia. But as I pointed out you had yamato as mafia before he even posted that. It was for two short posts about plynching plotspot. which goes against your reasoning I don't have to convince you that you're mafia, I just have to convince town. posted again so people actually read this and can think clearly without other people trying to disrupt the game. | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 04:04 geript wrote: So I correctly stated your alignment and what you were doing. And I've correctly pointed out an EXACT conversation that is a homolog so that people can see it if they read back. So how does that make me wrong again mafia? you have tried to muddy the waters , personally insult me and deliberately change the conversation because my case is correct. | ||
geript
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 04:09 geript wrote: Perhaps if you weren't mafia you'd be able to understand the meaning of the words "short" and "more". i'm not sure what you are talking about here | ||
KelsierSC
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i've made my case. read it, comment etc. give some input | ||
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geript
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geript
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geript
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On July 20 2015 04:16 KelsierSC wrote: that goes to town as a whole Definitely don't address it to your teammates. | ||
Damdred
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Your confirmation biased at this point Kel. You are omgus biased Geript. Her over it and vote jonny | ||
VayneAuthority
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geript
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 04:16 geript wrote: Then grab a dictionary and read what the words mean especially as it regards the context I used them in. Because short can mean brief, the opposite of tall or rude/curt among other things. More is an adjective that enumerates a larger amount. So when I say she is more short and assholey as town. And that I'm not reading her town. That does not mean that she's not being rude/jerk/short/assholey. It means that she is not being those thing as much as she would be as town. It's literally the English language and how it works. DO YOU SPEAK IT?????????? The case I made is that you claimed to be scum reading yamato over the post I quoted, yet in your timeline you had yamato as mafia before this for two short asshole posts. So what you are claiming is you expected him to make more of the shorter posts and that just the two you saw weren't enough? What do you mean by you didn't like yamato's response to you and your vote because I didn't see him say anything to you at all. | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 04:22 Damdred wrote: Both of you stop being assholes and vote for mafia jonny. Your confirmation biased at this point Kel. You are omgus biased Geript. Her over it and vote jonny i'm actually asking fair questions and not insulting anyone so i don't know why you feel the need to traffic cop this. | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
You are stuck in the narrative and everything that happens you aren't looking at it and trying to,'re evaluate even when your town reads are saying Geript is probably town | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 04:34 Damdred wrote: You are trapped in a narrative and can't explain to me how anything I brought up has scum motivation behind it. You are stuck in the narrative and everything that happens you aren't looking at it and trying to,'re evaluate even when your town reads are saying Geript is probably town what are you talking about, my case is still the same, the only thing that changed is that geript hadn't actually answered the case against him but instead went ahead and called me scum. I'm questioning someone I think is mafia so please if you have nothing to add apart from "it's a bad case" with no reasons why. then let me get on with it. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
that being said I don't read damdred mafia and honestly agree with him on geript vs kels. (omg another 180) I'll vote johnny for sure. ##vote jonnylaw I've been sitting here doing dabs and kept getting distracted by evo. I am here I swear | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 20 2015 04:38 KelsierSC wrote: what are you talking about, my case is still the same, the only thing that changed is that geript hadn't actually answered the case against him but instead went ahead and called me scum. I'm questioning someone I think is mafia so please if you have nothing to add apart from "it's a bad case" with no reasons why. then let me get on with it. OK I want to understand. For me your accusations against geript are: 1 - geript said yamato as town was a dick, so he must be mafia; and you quoted a post where yamato was a dick, so that's weird. 2 - something about timelines I didn't understand. For point 1 I had the same reaction as you, but he explained it here: On July 20 2015 04:16 geript wrote: Then grab a dictionary and read what the words mean especially as it regards the context I used them in. Because short can mean brief, the opposite of tall or rude/curt among other things. More is an adjective that enumerates a larger amount. So when I say she is more short and assholey as town. And that I'm not reading her town. That does not mean that she's not being rude/jerk/short/assholey. It means that she is not being those thing as much as she would be as town. It's literally the English language and how it works. DO YOU SPEAK IT?????????? Now for point 2. I have no idea what the contradiction is, could you explain it to me ? | ||
geript
10024 Posts
On July 20 2015 04:29 KelsierSC wrote: The case I made is that you claimed to be scum reading yamato over the post I quoted, yet in your timeline you had yamato as mafia before this for two short asshole posts. So what you are claiming is you expected him to make more of the shorter posts and that just the two you saw weren't enough? What do you mean by you didn't like yamato's response to you and your vote because I didn't see him say anything to you at all. No. Please continue to be wrong Mr Mafia. The post you quoted was why I continued to scum read him. | ||
geript
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##vote JohnnyLaw | ||
LightningStrike
United States14275 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 04:50 geript wrote: No. Please continue to be wrong Mr Mafia. The post you quoted was why I continued to scum read him. ok so before that post you were scum reading him your reason for scum reading him is because as town he makes short/asshole posts. Before the one i quoted he only had those two short posts about plotspot. so you're saying you thought he would have made more of those shorter posts ? | ||
geript
10024 Posts
On July 20 2015 04:49 Rels wrote: OK I want to understand. For me your accusations against geript are: 1 - geript said yamato as town was a dick, so he must be mafia; and you quoted a post where yamato was a dick, so that's weird. 2 - something about timelines I didn't understand. For point 1 I had the same reaction as you, but he explained it here: Now for point 2. I have no idea what the contradiction is, could you explain it to me ? I could. Or you could read what I actually wrote instead of sit on the sidelines like mafia the whole game long. | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 20 2015 04:54 geript wrote: I could. Or you could read what I actually wrote instead of sit on the sidelines like mafia the whole game long. Not talking to you. I read what you actually wrote and I think you're town. Please read. I want KSC to explain his accusation 'cause I'm not seeing it. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
On July 20 2015 04:54 KelsierSC wrote: ok so before that post you were scum reading him your reason for scum reading him is because as town he makes short/asshole posts. Before the one i quoted he only had those two short posts about plotspot. so you're saying you thought he would have made more of those shorter posts ? On July 19 2015 02:44 geript wrote: He's only being a little dickish. Like usually he's more short/assholey as town. ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER. DO YOU SPEAK IT???!!!!???j?!!!! I've literally explained this shit multiple times. It doesn't take a PhD in English to understand what I wrote in context. Yet you continue to try and make the same argument over and over again while continuing to take things out of context. Would you like to claim mafia now or would you like to claim mafia when I lynch you for being mafia? | ||
geript
10024 Posts
The word "he" is the subject. It is a now. The word "is" (as denoted by the " 's" after he) is the verb The words "short" and "assholey" are the predicate. The word "more" is an adjective that is modifying the predicate. You see "short" and "assholey" are being treated as if they were nouns and not actually adjectives that modify a noun. The English language. It's magic. | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 04:59 geript wrote: ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER. DO YOU SPEAK IT???!!!!???j?!!!! I've literally explained this shit multiple times. It doesn't take a PhD in English to understand what I wrote in context. Yet you continue to try and make the same argument over and over again while continuing to take things out of context. Would you like to claim mafia now or would you like to claim mafia when I lynch you for being mafia? ok please stop insulting me it is rather unpleasant I am actually asking you a question here i'm not taking things out of context. Before the one i quoted he only had those two short posts about plotspot. so you're saying you thought he would have made more of those shorter posts ? I also want you to answer about yamato's response to you because he never said anything to you at all. | ||
Onegu
United States9694 Posts
On July 20 2015 04:02 geript wrote: Damdred your townread on Yam is awful. She not playing her towngame at all. Not even close to her town game. Can you cite a single reason for any of her reads? LOL Yamato confirmed female. Kinda Meh on him, he isnt the lynch today. Could get behind a Johnny lynch but think rayn is a much better lynch at this point. | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 20 2015 04:56 Rels wrote: Not talking to you. I read what you actually wrote and I think you're town. Please read. I want KSC to explain his accusation 'cause I'm not seeing it. I mean.. I thought you did understand it On July 20 2015 01:13 Rels wrote: Caught up with the thread. I agree that geript is weird today. This post in particular: geript, if you've been clear about this, I didn't understand. I had the same interrogation than KSC. But I don't want to lynch him today, 'cause I can't imagine a mafia being that loud about something day 1, when it's the easiest way to being lynch. I think Damdred said something similar about geript, like if he was mafia he would be way nicer than that. I also think i've explained this a few times but ok. 1.geript gave his scum read on yamato and a vote. reason "yamato is short/ a dick when he is town" he makes it clear than in the post i quoted he thinks yamato is being longer winded and not that much of an ass. 2. however before yamato even made that post geript had called yamato mafia, until that point yamato had only made two short/asshole posts about plotspot. so this reasoning made no sense. I may have got the wrong end of the stick about this because I think geript is saying he expected to see more of the short posts. where as I looked at the two short posts and saw "short/asshole posts" how does geript see yamato as being long winded here. he also mentions yamato's response to him which I don't see. | ||
geript
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On July 20 2015 05:04 KelsierSC wrote: ok please stop insulting me it is rather unpleasant I am actually asking you a question here i'm not taking things out of context. I also want you to answer about yamato's response to you because he never said anything to you at all. SHe's actually responded to me a few time even though neither of us have directly aimed comments at each other. Because you see, that is how she plays. You can troll her and poke her and get an easy read on her. So even though she didn't say "Geript,.... blah blah blah." and even though I didn't say "Yamato... blah blah blah" we can actually respond back and forth. Crazy I know. Again. You're continuing to fail at the English language. You see, words can be both an adjective and a noun. You see, words, even when used as an adjective, don't necessarily have to be directly modifying a noun. Rather when an adjective is the predicate, the noun the adjective modifies is the subject. This is literally taught and understood by 7 year olds. If you would like to continue asking a question I've already answered, then perhaps you should find a dictionary and look up all of the meanings of the word "short." Then, if you take a look at how I used the word short in context of what I said, then you would be able to realize what I've been saying. Perhaps. Maybe. Not likely, because you're mafia. | ||
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I asked myself the same question regarding yamato's post; but rereading geript's post, he clearly said that yamato post was dickish, just not dickish enough. On July 20 2015 05:06 KelsierSC wrote: 1.geript gave his scum read on yamato and a vote. reason "yamato is short/ a dick when he is town" he makes it clear than in the post i quoted he thinks yamato is being longer winded and not that much of an ass. 2. however before yamato even made that post geript had called yamato mafia, until that point yamato had only made two short/asshole posts about plotspot. so this reasoning made no sense. That's not true though right ? Yamato made this post: On July 18 2015 11:32 yamato77 wrote: Geript also not a terrible lynch. Neither is FF for that matter. But I'm getting ahead of myself. Then geript made this one: On July 18 2015 12:25 geript wrote: ##vote yamato77 Looking at the timestamps, geript's one come after yamato's. | ||
geript
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##vote: jonnylaw | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 20 2015 05:14 geript wrote: SHe's actually responded to me a few time even though neither of us have directly aimed comments at each other. Because you see, that is how she plays. You can troll her and poke her and get an easy read on her. So even though she didn't say "Geript,.... blah blah blah." and even though I didn't say "Yamato... blah blah blah" we can actually respond back and forth. Crazy I know. Again. You're continuing to fail at the English language. You see, words can be both an adjective and a noun. You see, words, even when used as an adjective, don't necessarily have to be directly modifying a noun. Rather when an adjective is the predicate, the noun the adjective modifies is the subject. This is literally taught and understood by 7 year olds. If you would like to continue asking a question I've already answered, then perhaps you should find a dictionary and look up all of the meanings of the word "short." Then, if you take a look at how I used the word short in context of what I said, then you would be able to realize what I've been saying. Perhaps. Maybe. Not likely, because you're mafia. Can you answer this question for me QUOTE]Before the one i quoted he only had those two short posts about plotspot. so you're saying you thought he would have made more of those shorter posts ?[/QUOTE] So what was yamato's response to you then? | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:14 Rels wrote: I asked myself the same question regarding yamato's post; but rereading geript's post, he clearly said that yamato post was dickish, just not dickish enough. That's not true though right ? Yamato made this post: Then geript made this one: Looking at the timestamps, geript's one come after yamato's. no geript gave a scum list that had yam as mafia on it | ||
geript
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KelsierSC
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On July 20 2015 05:16 KelsierSC wrote: Can you answer this question for me So what was yamato's response to you then? formatting | ||
geript
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On July 18 2015 11:32 yamato77 wrote: Geript also not a terrible lynch. Neither is FF for that matter. But I'm getting ahead of myself. You mean this post that I've already told you about if you had read anything I'd posted. On July 19 2015 03:31 yamato77 wrote: OK plotspot gets to live. Geript now #1 lynch. You me this post. Take your choice. It literally doesn't matter. Because you die soon. Unfortunately not today. | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:17 KelsierSC wrote: no geript gave a scum list that had yam as mafia on it OK you're talking about this post: On July 18 2015 11:07 geript wrote: I want to lynch Onegu or yam... maybe kelsier Now I get it. | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:18 geript wrote: You mean this post that I've already told you about if you had read anything I'd posted. You me this post. Take your choice. It literally doesn't matter. Because you die soon. Unfortunately not today. oh, he's not really responding to you, he is just saying he wants to lynch you. what response did you want him to have? | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:22 geript wrote: There's literally zero point to lynch JLaw when we could lynch Kelsier who is pretending to have the mental acuity of a potato. We could lynch Yamato for being on the rag and literally doing absolutely nothing whatsoever or making anything other than the barest hint of appearance to do anything. totally makes sense for you to vote him then | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:22 KelsierSC wrote: oh, he's not really responding to you, he is just saying he wants to lynch you. what response did you want him to have? It is a response to provocation. That is in fact responding to me. Perhaps if you had pretended to listen or read or think about anything I write whatsoever, you'd realize how awful you look and start to bus your least pretty cheerleader teammate. | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:24 geript wrote: It is a response to provocation. That is in fact responding to me. Perhaps if you had pretended to listen or read or think about anything I write whatsoever, you'd realize how awful you look and start to bus your least pretty cheerleader teammate. if you had explained that earlier then I wouldn't have questioned you about it. you said he responded to you and I didn't see it. you are actually an unbearable person bye | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:23 KelsierSC wrote: totally makes sense for you to vote him then I agree. You see that's a different subject called math. The number 3 is less than 4. Both of which are larger than 1 and 2. I know how much you struggle with adjectives like "less" and "more". So I've tried to keep it pretty simple for you. | ||
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Good night everyone! | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:30 Rels wrote: Alright time to sleep for me. A bit afraid to see that much consensus on jonny's lynch; 'cause if he's mafia it would mean that mafia team is now bussing him. But he's not posting at all when he said he would be here until deadline, so this is in line with a mafia bus. Good night everyone! what jonnylaw (4): Rels, Damdred, Fecalfeast, if he's mafia it means that he is being bused? What do you mean? | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:33 Fecalfeast wrote: what jonnylaw (4): Rels, Damdred, Fecalfeast, if he's mafia it means that he is being bused? What do you mean? I was wrong, thought he had more votes than that. Actually, that's your vote that made me think that; you came back to the thread and immediately voted for him, it made me rethink a little. | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:37 geript wrote: Rels and FF make my head hurt. why? | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:41 geript wrote: Because some of the things you guys say are just flat out not connected with reality. At least with Kelsier, he could theoretically just be reading things and inserting words/phrases so they instantly make the understanding different. Potentially. Probably not. But it is a theoretical understandable potential option. But consensus on JLaw? There's 4 votes on him and he's not even my preferred lynch. I agree, I thought he had more. | ||
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On July 20 2015 03:24 Rels wrote: OK there it is. Why I think JonnyLaw is mafia: an event timeline One Early in the game, JonnyLaw makes a comment on FecalFeast being relaxed. + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2015 18:07 JonnyLaw wrote: well seems dead here. 3am and head full of beer i'll be back in the morning. ff seems relaxed to me. comfortable acting as a townie even. kelsier's aggressive. geript's posts make no sense to me. Two Wanting to know more, I ask why he posted this. + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2015 18:39 Rels wrote: I don't understand this sentence. Are you town or scum reading his "relaxed" posts ? Three His explanation is the following: JonnyLaw posted to defend FecalFeast against someone saying that FecalFeast was doing "weird smilies". This explanation is false, as the one being accused of doing "weird smilies" was plotspot. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2015 02:41 JonnyLaw wrote: @rels when i said he feels relaxed someone was accusing him of being scum for using "weird smilies." is this really a thing? i thought he just posted whatever he wanted since it was a couple hours into day 1 at the time. Forth When I ask Jonny to confirm that explanation, he backs off and abandon his previous explanation. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2015 03:04 JonnyLaw wrote: oh uhh...sure I don't know what I was thinking there to be honest. I was writing a quick post before I passed out after a late night. Apparently it's what I felt at that particular moment. We can debate this one line if that's what you want but I'd rather talk about someone important. Conclusion The problem here isn't that he made a sentence without explanation. Lots of people here have posted "tone reads" or stuff like that. The problem is that he made up a false explanation, then gave it up when asked to confirm it. | ||
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On July 20 2015 03:27 KelsierSC wrote: This is a pretty good case actually. I'm reading his post again where he ends up voting geript. On July 20 2015 05:05 Onegu wrote: LOL Yamato confirmed female. Kinda Meh on him, he isnt the lynch today. Could get behind a Johnny lynch but think rayn is a much better lynch at this point. | ||
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I think I was wrong on geript, I misunderstood what he was trying to say and he did fight against me hard. I agree that johnny doesn't look good. VA made good points, Rels case is strong but I want to get his response. I'm also not liking yamato at this point, I basically get a dirty feeling when I read him because it felt like he was sort of pocketing me. from early d1 I don't really like plotspot either and his list post definitely isn't strong. Plus I don't like how he tried to clarify things into, "well it's these two worlds right." Saying there has to be scum between me and geript, rayn and damdred. that feels like setting up an excuse to vote another town d2 maybe. On July 20 2015 03:25 plotspot wrote: In the spoilers are basically the summary of notable events to me from p18 to 23. + Show Spoiler + Damdred 0. pushing off a lynch on Geript and suggests Jonny or FF. 3. doesn’t want to lynch yamato 5. wants to consider lynching rayn, 14. reinforces reason on why ff is mafia Geript: 1. wants to lynch yamato, accusing him all sort of stuff, (yamato is a girl? ok), 2. wants to lynch Rayn for doing less than he could as town, basically much from the meta-soup, 4. wants to lynch Kelsier for asking stupid questions and being stupid in general 6. thinks either Rayn or jonny is mafia. 7. back to the circle of lynching among yamato/Rayn/Kelsier 8. (geript never thought of ff as scum, rather town) 9. add Onegu to the circle of possible mafia 20. more yamato Vayne: 10. thinks Onegu might be scum 11. 50/50 on jonny 12. ff looks town 18. Damdred is town Rels: 13. thinks geript is town XX. votes jonny Rayn: 15. votes Damdred 16. geript is town 17. Onegu might be scum 19. explains why Damdred is scum Yamato: 21. geript is mafia 22. Rayn and damdred both probably town It kinda boils down to Damdred, geript VS Rayn, Kelsier I am still thinking which side makes more sense. @geript: would be nice if you could provide the reasons why there is one town/mafia between Rayn and Jonny. So I would lynch johnny, plot or yamato here I don't feel like I was insulting anyone today, i'm trying not to so I guess if I said something mean to geript then I apologise I was actually just trying to figure out what you were saying. | ||
VayneAuthority
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##:vote Jonnylaw might as well take part in this lynch, didnt think it would be so contested. might learn something after all | ||
geript
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On July 20 2015 05:55 Damdred wrote: I actually think it's more telling jonny is just disappeared then anything I don't think that's alignment indicative at all. If I knew him better, I could try to apply dick move analysis, but I don't. Yam is still a much better lynch. | ||
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On July 20 2015 06:09 VayneAuthority wrote: well his dog is sick regardless lol, if hes mafia doesnt mean he lied about that xD yah, but if he's mafia he's at least potentially lying. If he's town, he's almost automatically telling the truth. So his young dog would be in a really bad spot. And I'd hate that. At least if he's mafia, I can pretend that he's just trying to get the sympathy on his side or something. | ||
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On July 20 2015 06:12 KelsierSC wrote: where is rayn? Sauna? Probably work though. Yesterday before the storm here, he said he worked 66 hours the past week. So it wouldn't surprise me if he was working. | ||
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like when I made that push on geript he said On July 19 2015 04:01 yamato77 wrote: geript, you've dug your own hole here and On July 19 2015 04:09 yamato77 wrote: Well you should probably explain, given that a good portion of my townreads want to lynch him. then further on I got, I don't know it just felt a bit dirty. Nothing strong Plus he gives plots this weird easy town read and I don't like him either so. | ||
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Damdred
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I think jonny saying he's going to,be here till deadline and not doing anything but voting Geript badly is telling since he hit resistance. Rayn not caring around the lynch is...interesting I guess but Idk. | ||
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Damdred
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So let's talk this out. The two people who,have a reasonable shot are jonny, Yamato and maybe,rayn. Jonny has been,stated why several times by rels and myself. The pocketing thing by Yamato is interesting but I've,seen,him do things like this as town. Though it's interesting ff just voted and doesn't care afterwards so that's troubling to | ||
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plotspot
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1. overreaction, like ok it's NAI, but it's too wifom for it's own good, if you're town there no need to do it, ok as mafia it's still bad to wifom like this, the impression remains that it's unnecssary angry wifom 2. misrepresenting my effort as scum noodling around, putting it the worst light possible, although I'm really confused 3. being opportunistic, I don't buy all his short "whys" it's really strange ##VOTE: fecalfeast | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Geript after some noodling explains to Kelsier that he thinks this On July 18 2015 11:32 yamato77 wrote: Geript also not a terrible lynch. Neither is FF for that matter. But I'm getting ahead of myself. is short and assholey, but that yamato is even more short and assholey than this with the following post. On July 19 2015 03:30 geript wrote:How can it be not short/assholey when the point I'm making is that he's more short/assholey as town? Kelsier replies with On July 19 2015 03:38 KelsierSC wrote: right but i am curious how you read that post as anything but short or being an asshole. IMO, Kelsier misreads geripts post as geript not thinking that yamato was short/assholey. If he thinks otherwise the sentence must be “right but I am curious how you can read that post as short or being an asshole.” Geripts responds with On July 19 2015 03:48 geript wrote: Like this is basic reading comprehension. How can he get that I'm trying to say that Yam's post was not short/assholey? Like me using the word more literally means that I found the post lacking an amount of shortness/assholery that town yam levels usually are. Then he's trying to make the point that the post is short/assholey but I'm not reading it that way. Like I've been really fucking clear about this. 1. geript clearly states again that he thinks yamato’s post was short/assholey. But it would be even more if she was town. 2. geript misreads Kelsier that his post was saying “he is curious as to why geript think’s yamato’s post is short/assholey” and then sort of contradicts himself by saying “I’m not thinking yamato’s post was short/assholey.” Yeah, sort of double misread into endless argument. | ||
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I'm here look at what plot just wrote and freaking tell,me,it's not weird and Mafish Kel is probably town, Yamato I'd rather lynch someone else today | ||
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JonnyLaw, the mafia goon has been lynched! Milo109 has been warned, next warning for anything is a modkill! to get actions in! | ||
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I think we have one,mafia on wagon and one off though. Gut feeling it's ff and rayn. | ||
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On July 20 2015 07:18 Damdred wrote: It is ok, the vindictiveness isn't that huge a deal. The killer was that Geript vote (which sorta confirms geript), his weird unexplained reads and screwing off when he was unable to,be here. I think we have one,mafia on wagon and one off though. Gut feeling it's ff and rayn. Why come back and vote my teammate when he's not really being wagoned rather than help push someone else? | ||
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On July 20 2015 07:18 Damdred wrote: It is ok, the vindictiveness isn't that huge a deal. The killer was that Geript vote (which sorta confirms geript), his weird unexplained reads and screwing off when he was unable to,be here. I think we have one,mafia on wagon and one off though. Gut feeling it's ff and rayn. I sorta had my doubts about geript, because he is so aggressive (I mean I don't know him, if you guys have better meta and read him better then that's cool), but then to the very end I tried to figure out who could be more scum: him or Kelsier and I couldn't decide because their whole argument hinged on misunderstandings from somewhere halfway in. | ||
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On July 20 2015 07:20 Fecalfeast wrote: Why come back and vote my teammate when he's not really being wagoned rather than help push someone else? Because he was being wagond, I had been pushing him prior And rels pushed the crap out of him. Everyone else was getting shut down basically. I need you to do work ff because I need to figure out if he spewed you town or struggled to give his team mate a town read. | ||
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On July 20 2015 07:26 geript wrote: If there's mafia on the wagon, then I think it's more likely to be Rels, Vayne or Kelsier. But I kinda think the people on the wagon are far more likely to be town. Except maybe Kelsier. His vote was pretty superfluous and his read on me was literally insane. I don't want to argue with you about the read on you being "insane", you will just say mean things about me again. That was my interpretation of events and why I read you as scum. I was already suspicious of johnny and when he didn't come back to answer I voted him. | ||
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On July 20 2015 02:22 yamato77 wrote: Geript is not town. Rayn ands damdred both probably are Johnny lynch is a complete crapshoot. I'd lynch yamato tomorrow over onegu , like I said it felt like he was pocketing me , felt dirty. plus this doesn't look great | ||
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On July 20 2015 07:31 KelsierSC wrote: I don't want to argue with you about the read on you being "insane", you will just say mean things about me again. That was my interpretation of events and why I read you as scum. I was already suspicious of johnny and when he didn't come back to answer I voted him. Why is why I've noted that I can see how you could be town just reading something wrong. I doubt it but it's possible. | ||
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On July 20 2015 08:11 geript wrote: Why is why I've noted that I can see how you could be town just reading something wrong. I doubt it but it's possible. ok just to clarify how i saw things geript "yamato is short/asshole when he is town" kelsier "yamato posted short/asshole posts , and you called him mafia then, this makes no sense" what actually happened geript "yamato makes short/asshole as town, (i expect to see more of those short/asshole posts)" if you just explained the green earlier we were cool. | ||
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On July 20 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote: Damdred has good town reads. He should be listened to more often That's only why I think kels might be town. And yes Kels. I got what you were thinking or 'thinking.' | ||
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On July 20 2015 09:47 geript wrote: Random thought. Let's lynch Yam. i agree | ||
yamato77
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On July 20 2015 10:01 yamato77 wrote: You are all retarded Don't pat yourselves on the back just because you lynched a mafia today Why the negative attitude you rude dude? | ||
geript
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On July 20 2015 10:34 Damdred wrote: Why not rayn though with that weird town read of John though I thought about that initially after the flip. But there was a section when I was around and you were around where I was like, "this is classic town Rayn thought process". I'm only 8 beer in but I remember thinking that. Plus the exactly 1 between Rayn/Jonny. It sound dumb but I'm really confident in that. | ||
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I'm not sure it makes him scum but so many early tr bother me as well. But it might resolve itself shortly what do you think of Jonny and his tr on ff now | ||
geript
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I'll read him whan sobre. | ||
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On July 20 2015 12:02 geript wrote: I decide. The Rayn read on jLo is bad but it's bad. Like not reasonably enough for rainman to be slam Oh yeah bud. It would be a huge surprise if rayn turned out to be slam all along | ||
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On July 20 2015 12:13 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh yeah bud. It would be a huge surprise if rayn turned out to be slam all along See. This guy. Here. | ||
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I'd say listen to me but I'm obviously biased against geript so I'm unsure how much I trust my own reads. | ||
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And as geript said, this seems weird now: On July 19 2015 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vayne why i read JohnnyLaw as town is because he kinda attacks geript (and only geript) in his posts. If they were both mafia he sure would have something else to talk about. If he was mafia and geript was town well... he sure would have something else to talk about. Attacking geript is like really dumb at this point, over basically nothing. | ||
Rels
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Day 1 Votecount fecalfeast (1): plotspot (0): yamato77 (0): kelsiersc (0): geript (2): rayn (1): Onegu damdred (1): raynpelikoneet onegu (1): VayneAuthority raynpelikoneet (0): jonnylaw (6): Rels, Damdred, Fecalfeast, geript, VayneAuthority, KelsierSC yamato (0): Onegu voted for fecalfeast Fecalfeast voted for fecalfeast KelsierSC voted for plotspot geript voted for yamato77 Rels voted for plotspot Rels unvoted geript unvoted geript voted for KelsierSC raynpelikoneet voted for geript KelsierSC unvoted KelsierSC voted for geript Fecalfeast unvoted Onegu unvoted Onegu voted for Rayn yamato77 voted for geript raynpelikoneet unvoted raynpelikoneet voted for Damdred VayneAuthority voted for Onegu Damdred voted for raynpelikoneet Rels voted for JonnyLaw Damdred unvoted Damdred voted for Jonnylaw JonnyLaw voted for geript Fecalfeast voted for jonnylaw geript unvoted geript voted for jonnylaw KelsierSC unvoted VayneAuthority unvoted VayneAuthority voted for JonnyLaw KelsierSC voted for Yamato KelsierSC unvoted KelsierSC voted for Jonnylaw plotspot voted for fecalfeast | ||
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I am bad. Lynch yamato he is mafia. His reaction to the lynch is scum. Milo or Onegu is the last mafia. | ||
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Everyone in JL wagon most likely town. | ||
Rels
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Damdred: Was pushing for JL all game + was the second to vote for him: town read. VA: Pushed JL from the very beginning: town read. FF: came back to vote for JL at a time where the vote wasn't sure: town lean. geript: hammered JL ... but against himself, so he would have done that even if mafia. Still, JL tried to push him when I started questionning him; he was the only viable lynch for a long time and nothing moved, suggesting that mafia was happy with geript being lynched: so town lean. rayn: weird read on JL; but did call the "too EZ to be true" geript lynch: null. KSC: tried as hard as possible to get a lynch on geript; finally changed his mind at the last moment and tried to get yamato lynched, even though he said my JL case was good; last vote on JL: scum lean. Onegu: Seems too active for his town game day 1. Tried to discuss my argument of JL forgetting his explanation. Said he could be lynching JL but didn't vote him: scum lean. yamato77: came back before deadline to post two things, including this one where he called JL's lynch a "crapshoot", at a time when I didn't make the case and we were only two people voting JL. So: scum lean. Outside the vote analysis: milo: really thought he was getting modkilled for the <1 page of activity )= let's hope he does day 2 so we don't have the disadvantage of not having day 1 reads / vote on him. plot: don't know. | ||
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There is no way anyone else on JL is mafia. It's okay dadred. You are allowed to be wrong on me. I was wrong on you anyways. Not sure about Onegu though. He should not be allowed to be wrong on me whatever i post. I suggest vig me or onegu. If you want to hit scum, go for onegu. Either way, if i die he has to be talking about something that is not me and you will be able to read him more accurately. Like there is about 10% chance he is actually town, but i find that highly unlike. | ||
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You just have to look for what i did and what JL did. | ||
Fecalfeast
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rayn: weird read on JL; but did call the "too EZ to be true" geript lynch: null. rels what do you mean that rayn called the geript lynch too good to be true? | ||
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On July 20 2015 17:37 Fecalfeast wrote: rels what do you mean that rayn called the geript lynch too good to be true? Here: On July 20 2015 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: there is no way geript is mafia and none of his team isn't doing anything to save him. so he has to be town and mafia doesn't give a fuck who (geript at the time) we are lynching. | ||
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You seem to be having none. | ||
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On July 20 2015 19:43 Fecalfeast wrote: the way he stated that, saying that you called that the geript lynch was 'too ez to be true' implies that he knows geript's alignment Well of course geript is town. So is Rels. He literally made the JL lynch happen. Cant you see that? | ||
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I cant understand how a townie would accuse the most townie player in the game over something this stupid. | ||
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rayn,onegu,yamato,plotspot,milo So in order of most town to scum I think of that group rayn has been the towniest, he may have been wrong a few times. (johnny,damdred,geript) but I think his thought process about the geript lynch was good and his read on damdred seemed like he believed it. Plus he claimed "lynch damdred if he is town lynch me d2" which feels very committal. Onegu - I have no idea what is happening , totally bizarre day. Plotspot, he's played weird. his early d1 seemed very strange, then his list post On July 19 2015 03:28 plotspot wrote: Thess are my rough reads so far. Damdred: general sense making which is NAI, but does seem very involving and effortful, hence town lean Fecalfeast: not sure if “angry” is the right word but IMO he overreacts with the “I concede”, voting himself, talking to yamato about bussing, it’s all NAI. KSC: claiming VT, kinda aggressive towards me, is he town for doing this? Could he be mafia setting up an agenda? Onegu: pff, town? He’s quite carefree in his posts, I’d read him town. Yamato: suggesting a policy lynch, yamato not explaining a lot of things in the beginning, the interaction with Rels later kinda gives him his first townpoints in my eyes, This kinda explains pretty well why I’d think yamato is town. JonnyLaw: ? too few posts, the tone looks towny though I don’t have any meta Geript: geript has a pregame excuse of being rather inactive, too few posts, I can’t read anything from him yet, though it is of course strange how he doesn’t explain why he wants to lynch Onegu, yamato or Kelsier Raynpelikoneet (mispelled filter name): I’d say town, but he draws so much ogi and meta, also some of his reads are quite mind-boggling to me: Like: 1. yamato is town after 3-4 posts of his 2. Vayne being town after 2 posts 3. jonnylaw 4-5 posts into town The thing is I kinda agree and have town vibes about them, but I don’t say “townpile” or “is town”, but that may just be the way he expresses himself. Rels: I’d tend to agree with VA, but Rels is like this, asking many questions, often citing unanswered questions from somebody else and asking them to be answered, it’s NAI imo. Not sure about Rels, could have been voting me to get info. VayneAuthority: late, but imo good entrance, he does provide reasons for his reads when prompted, townlean I have to eat dinner now. If you want my opinion on particular topics, I'll try to give my opinions later. he sort of slips johnny as town for no reason. @plotspot I want to know how your yamato read developed. @Rayn you brought up about how his EOD made no sense from a mafia perspective. Can you explain this to me. Milo - AFK Yamato - Again I have my own personal feeling that he was pocketing me, his reaction to having a mafia lynched was totally out of proportion. He was against a johnny lynch On July 20 2015 02:22 yamato77 wrote: Geript is not town. Rayn ands damdred both probably are Johnny lynch is a complete crapshoot. He then came back with this. On July 20 2015 10:01 yamato77 wrote: You are all retarded Don't pat yourselves on the back just because you lynched a mafia today this isn't how town should feel. Plus that d1 lynch was actually very good, VA and rels made good cases and he didn't come back for the defence. So calling people who voted him retarded just isn't a good assesment. Milo - AFK probably mafia. I'd lynch Yamato or Plotspot tomorrow. Milo probably gets modkilled. | ||
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KelsierSC
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On July 20 2015 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no way plotspot as mafia is going to save JL at that point. He would have bussed for cred if he was mafia most likely. well he'd already called johnny town so it looks bad if he just decides to jump on the wagon at the end | ||
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If my thought process on geript was good why did you continue pushing him? | ||
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On July 20 2015 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kelsier: If my thought process on geript was good why did you continue pushing him? Because I just went back and read through. The first time I saw it I still thought geript was mafia so I kept pushing him. | ||
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On July 20 2015 22:01 KelsierSC wrote: Because I just went back and read through. The first time I saw it I still thought geript was mafia so I kept pushing him. So what has changed? Just because i was right and geript is most likely town does not mean i am town for it. | ||
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On July 20 2015 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: So what has changed? Just because i was right and geript is most likely town does not mean i am town for it. Well I don't think geript is mafia anymore so I could go back and look at things with a different perspective. I looked over the people who didn't vote on Johnny. I had you as town from D1 anyway and I saw that post about geript being town because mafia just wasn't giving a fuck about saving him. That seemed to come from a town perspective. | ||
plotspot
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My reads were about 20 hours into the game. I said these were rough reads, I put a question mark on Jonny, I even said it's just a tone read with no meta. I didn't say I townread him hard in this, there was clearly lots of uncertainty in this read. Jonny had 2 phases of posting. In the first phase he makes 4 posts. If you read again his 4 posts and say "ok, if somebody posted like that, then 95% of the time he is mafia", then you obviously have some super skills. I tended to think "ok, jonny doesn't look clean here, but it's rather he could be town and mafia uses his posts to gather a wagon on him later" At that time, remember that the most suspicion fell on geript, he had 3 votes. I was already thinking "yea looks nice, but I don't buy it, I don't think geript is gonna get lynched". Jonny came in with his reason why he had to afk 34 hours into the game. Then suddenly I see the gears shifting starting on p18. Damdred and geript talking to each other with Damdred ever so much pushing a lynch on jonny for his weird posts. Well in retrospect we can say it was good, damdred saw jonny appearing and wants to get more info out of him. But at that time it looked to me like my thoughts are being confirmed. Votes are shifting away from geript, with Damdred casting suspicion onto jonny, trying to convince geript as well. Geript disagrees for a while, but then finally jumps to jonny too. Hence later I said there was a strong connection between Damdred and geript. Geript even earlier talks about Damdred being his mason partner,which confused me a bit as there was no mason in this game. He probably simply meant they can read each other very well, which is meta meta meta again. I had a slight townread on Damdred, but the things unfolding there would fit the theory I had in mind, especially when rayn jumps in later and they both started to scumread each other. Geript was still of the opinion that we should lynch Kelsier, while rayn hard defends him (Kelsier). At that time for me, all of the 4 Kelsier, rayn, geript and Damdred could be potentially be mafia. So till the very end I was still working on figuring out the Kel vs geript story, as I believed I could find mafia there. I also looked at the case rels had against jonny and it hinges on exactly the part that he thinks the smiley argument was directed at FF and not me. The thing is I think it is NAI at best. Anybody could have made that mistake, why is such a mistake reserved for mafia? It's too blatant and irreparable, so it doesn't really matter what jonny says afterwards in his defense. This is what he chose to say as point four of Rels case: On July 20 2015 05:43 Rels wrote: Forth When I ask Jonny to confirm that explanation, he backs off and abandon his previous explanation. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2015 03:04 JonnyLaw wrote: oh uhh...sure I don't know what I was thinking there to be honest. I was writing a quick post before I passed out after a late night. Apparently it's what I felt at that particular moment. We can debate this one line if that's what you want but I'd rather talk about someone important. So he backpedals like a mafia? If he was town, what should he have said instead? So I thought if he was screwed anyway, regardless of being scum or town, why must he be screwed as mafia. It's NAI. --- So in summary, I had a very-soft town read on jonny with some doubts. The townreading was reinforced when my paranoid senses got fed when votes were slowly piling on jonny, like I'd rather want to believe it is more difficult than that, that the scum team does something like that, rather than jonny just being scum. The case of Rels is nice, but I thought it was NAI. I voted for fecalfeast because it was the best I could do, when I was under time-pressure and not be able to clearly identify scum in either Kelsier or geript. | ||
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Then your vote enss up on.... FecalFeast?!?! | ||
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which one of Onegu, yamato & FF is town? | ||
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Onegu doesn't talk about anything related to anything whenever he posts. yamato's response to a scumflip makes no sense from town perspective. | ||
plotspot
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The one I believe to be most townish were you, from there I tried to established whether damdred could be mafia, but it was hard, because I actually had damdred as townish too. So I left you two like that. Then kelsier and geript. The only one that matters was probably geript, because he had still 2 votes or so. I was trying to find evidences that geript was mafia, but no I couldn't, He was here fighting all this time, and the Kel vs him was some misunderstanding. I was running out of time and I thought I'm not voting for someone I'm not certain was more scummy than ff. | ||
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If we have a vig, he should shoot him because : - if he stays silent, we lose a day not talking about anything - I feel almost everyone wants to lynch him, so if he is town, we won't gain any info | ||
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I still want you to elaborate on this. This is literally what happened timewise: rayn: yamato is town people: why? rayn: because of this... damdred: [gives same explanation i did] rayn: yeah damdred put that better plotspot: Damdred is town for explaining his town read on yamato, rayn is null because he has an unexplained townread on yamato rayn: what? that is not true. i literally gave the same reasoning for yamato to be most likely town BEFORE damdred did it plotspot: yamato has made 3 posts before you said "nvm yamato is town". Damdred only said "Kinda think Yamato feels town". In my opinion there is a difference in certainty the way both of you expressed it. rayn: no we literally said the same thing. me saying "town" instead of "maybe town" (which btw i actually did say if you read anything closely) doesn't mean anything plotspot: Wait, I didn't form a read about you based on not knowing where you got your hard townread on yamato so fast. I was wondering how you can townread someone so fast. You say "yamato is town" at that moment. Is it (a) you have advanced meta or (b) you think "yamato might be town" but say "yamato is town" for undisclosed reasons? Which is it? So now it is not about my read? It's about me townreading someone so fast. Why can't i townread someone so fast? Why can Damdred? And why is it townie for him and not for me? Again, we had LITERALLY the same exact reasoning for the read, not to mention i gave my reasoning first, so it's again impossible for you to consider i made up my reasoning from town!Damdred's. | ||
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i'll have some more in depth thoughts shortly, but I kinda feel that rayn is town here again. | ||
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On July 21 2015 00:58 Damdred wrote: I kinda would rather shoot onegu maybe tonight. i'll have some more in depth thoughts shortly, but I kinda feel that rayn is town here again. well you called me town,scum,town,scum,town for my read on you. Then you called me scum again. Now you call me town again. And your reasoning for scumreading is that "rayn changes his read on me based on same things". hypocrite I am being honest if you didn't help lynching JL that much i would be all over you. But you are most likely town. Just please do not use the same reasoning you do yourself to scumread people. It's really bad. | ||
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On July 18 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yamato is town because there is a clarly seen thought process behind his posting. Imo his posts as mafia lack that. It's hard to explain. I'll elaborate further in case people think he is mafia when i get home in ~10h. In between here Damdred elaborates on his read on yamato. On July 19 2015 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well yeah, Damdred put that yamato read well. Yamato will explain what he is thinking eventually. At the moment i don't care what his thought process is but i can see there being one. That is how i literally read yamato early on in the game. I am not claiming i am 100% accurate on that this early on, but i am really confident i will get his alignment right when he starts posting more and making bigger posts that actually show his thought process. And yes, so far he seems town for his posts. There is no bullshit like in scumato posts there pretty much always is more or If someone who claims they have read the thread makes a post like this: You say "yamato is town" at that moment. Is it (a) you have advanced meta or (b) you think "yamato might be town" but say "yamato is town" for undisclosed reasons? Which is it? ... my gut says they are either lying or not reading properly. So which is it plotspot, and why? | ||
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I did ask geript to help me understand the thought process he saw that's true, and the weird read on jl made me question your alignment. and I went townish-scum-town ty very much | ||
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If i was around yesterday (FYI i never intentionally afk as mafia - truth is i was sick, probably because of hangover) i would have 100% voted for JL as he either lied about my presence in the game or didn't read the thread at all. He literally called me "inactive" when i had the most posts in the game. So yeah. | ||
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On July 21 2015 01:11 plotspot wrote: yea wait give me some time, I was searching for that part, there were two phases where you guys town read yamato. It could be that we talk about the wrong part. Interesting. Go ahead please. | ||
plotspot
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On July 18 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote: I propose a policy lynch of plotspot On July 18 2015 08:31 yamato77 wrote: I still want to lynch plotspot. On July 18 2015 11:32 yamato77 wrote: Geript also not a terrible lynch. Neither is FF for that matter. But I'm getting ahead of myself. Then Damdred reads him slightly town. On July 18 2015 12:47 Damdred wrote: Kinda think Yamato feels town. You said afterwards On July 18 2015 16:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nvm yamato is town. So what I said earlier On July 19 2015 05:13 plotspot wrote: You say "yamato is town" at that moment. Is it (a) you have advanced meta or (b) you think "yamato might be town" but say "yamato is town" for undisclosed reasons? Which is it? applies to this and not to your quoted posts recently. | ||
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Obviously it applies to my recently quoted posts because those posts happened before you made your post. | ||
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Did you just read Damdred's explanation and not mine? Or what? | ||
plotspot
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On July 18 2015 18:09 yamato77 wrote: rayn could be town On July 18 2015 18:09 yamato77 wrote: damdred almost certainly is btw I also think onegu is leaning town On July 18 2015 18:18 yamato77 wrote: it's early in this game and there aren't many posts overall onegu has been fairly active early in this game, however trollish he has been On July 18 2015 18:22 yamato77 wrote: so if he plays early D1 he's mafia? it is almost certainly bad meta Then you posted this On July 18 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yamato is town because there is a clarly seen thought process behind his posting. Imo his posts as mafia lack that. It's hard to explain. I'll elaborate further in case people think he is mafia when i get home in ~10h. Then damdred post this On July 19 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote: Rayn and I use the same metric for reading Yamato, and a lot of it comes from experience in playing with him For instance the somewhat pushing the policy lynch and some of his other posts just feel like he's thinking about the game a little bit at least. I can't quote atm but I'm pretty sure he is town. Then you posted this: On July 19 2015 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well yeah, Damdred put that yamato read well. Yamato will explain what he is thinking eventually. At the moment i don't care what his thought process is but i can see there being one. That is how i literally read yamato early on in the game. I am not claiming i am 100% accurate on that this early on, but i am really confident i will get his alignment right when he starts posting more and making bigger posts that actually show his thought process. And yes, so far he seems town for his posts. There is no bullshit like in scumato posts there pretty much always is more or After that I came with my list where I was wondering how you can hardread yamato town so fast after his 3 initial posts. I'm not talking about his later 4 posts, after which you provided your reasonings on town-reading yamato. --- So I'm wondering about these two phases. After 3 initial posts from yamato you say "yamato is town". Was it (a) some advanced meta or (b) you think yamato might be town, but still said he IS town because you express yourself like that. Would your explanation be any different if yamato hasn't made his 4 additional posts? So after his 3 initial posts, you would still use your explanation and the 4 additional ones didn't matter and were just coincidence? I just want to know how you townread yamato after 3 posts, without the additional 4 posts, because they are there in between your actual explanation, I cannot simply ignore them. What were the reasons you townread him after 3 posts (not after 7 posts total of yamato). Like I totally accept it if you said, yeah they wouldn't have changed my reasonings at all, it's just coincidence or reinforcements of what I think and posted as reasoning. | ||
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However, my question to you still stands and you still haven't answered me. Why is Damdred making the same read based on same posts a towntell but me doing it is not? | ||
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KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: My reasoning is obviously based on the first three posts. However, my question to you still stands and you still haven't answered me. Why is Damdred making the same read based on same posts a towntell but me doing it is not? i think he explained this already. The time he didn't read you town for it was because you hadn't given the explanation that Damdred had. | ||
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On July 21 2015 02:56 KelsierSC wrote: i think he explained this already. The time he didn't read you town for it was because you hadn't given the explanation that Damdred had. It is impossible because: (1) He posted AFTER i had given my reasoning (2) I gave my reasoning BEFORE Damdred | ||
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On July 21 2015 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is impossible because: (1) He posted AFTER i had given my reasoning (2) I gave my reasoning BEFORE Damdred you didn't give a reason for yamato being town after yamato's initial 3 posts that is what he is talking about | ||
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On July 21 2015 03:02 KelsierSC wrote: you didn't give a reason for yamato being town after yamato's initial 3 posts that is what he is talking about I understand. What i don't understand is Damdred did the EXACT same thing i did. Why does he come to a totally different conclusion regarding us two? Just because i say "toen and Damdred says "maybe town". Given the explanations we gave, especailly when i say "i am not 100% sure of this but.." it should be clear to anyone with any brain that is just how i word things - and that me and Damdred mean the exact same thing. | ||
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On July 21 2015 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I understand. What i don't understand is Damdred did the EXACT same thing i did. Why does he come to a totally different conclusion regarding us two? Just because i say "toen and Damdred says "maybe town". Given the explanations we gave, especailly when i say "i am not 100% sure of this but.." it should be clear to anyone with any brain that is just how i word things - and that me and Damdred mean the exact same thing. oh yeh I see the first time Damdred read yamato as town now. that's a good point | ||
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On July 21 2015 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I understand. What i don't understand is Damdred did the EXACT same thing i did. Why does he come to a totally different conclusion regarding us two? Just because i say "toen and Damdred says "maybe town". Given the explanations we gave, especailly when i say "i am not 100% sure of this but.." it should be clear to anyone with any brain that is just how i word things - and that me and Damdred mean the exact same thing. I think what he is getting at is your explanation of the read , specifically this post On July 18 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think onegu has posted much alignment indicative thngs so far. Maaaaaayyyyybe he is town as he seems to be interested in my read on him. Idk yet. He uses alot of AtE as scum. We'll see. Yamato is town because there is a clarly seen thought process behind his posting. Imo his posts as mafia lack that. It's hard to explain. I'll elaborate further in case people think he is mafia when i get home in ~10h. comes at a point where yamato hasn't made that many posts and plot can't see this "thought process idea". whereas damdred just said, "yeh maybe he's town with no explanation. when damdred gave the longer explanation for why yamato is town it made more sense given that yamato had posted more. Basically you explained your read too early is the overall idea i guess. | ||
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I'm looking through his stuff and his responses to me, given how eager he is to explain his thought process and interact here I don't want to lynch him tomorrow | ||
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On July 21 2015 03:12 KelsierSC wrote: I think what he is getting at is your explanation of the read , specifically this post comes at a point where yamato hasn't made that many posts and plot can't see this "thought process idea". whereas damdred just said, "yeh maybe he's town with no explanation. when damdred gave the longer explanation for why yamato is town it made more sense given that yamato had posted more. Basically you explained your read too early is the overall idea i guess. The problem still stands. Damdred says he has a townread on yamato at the same time i do (only 3-4 posts in). I explain my read. yamato posts more. Damdred gives his explanation after yamato posts more (but talks about only of those 3-4 first posts). I give more of an explanation which is the same as Damdred's (as it was at first aswell). plotspot agrees with Damdred's explanation but somehow mine isn't good (while he is even townreading yamato aswell). | ||
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On July 21 2015 03:16 KelsierSC wrote: Basically rayn I can actually see where plotspot is coming from with his points. I'm looking through his stuff and his responses to me, given how eager he is to explain his thought process and interact here I don't want to lynch him tomorrow I also do not agree at all with his play though. Like he literally wasted 48 first hours of the game into having no conclusions on the four people (me,you,damd,geript). | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem still stands. Damdred says he has a townread on yamato at the same time i do (only 3-4 posts in). I explain my read. yamato posts more. Damdred gives his explanation after yamato posts more (but talks about only of those 3-4 first posts). I give more of an explanation which is the same as Damdred's (as it was at first aswell). plotspot agrees with Damdred's explanation but somehow mine isn't good (while he is even townreading yamato aswell). On July 19 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote: Rayn and I use the same metric for reading Yamato, and a lot of it comes from experience in playing with him For instance the somewhat pushing the policy lynch and some of his other posts just feel like he's thinking about the game a little bit at least. I can't quote atm but I'm pretty sure he is town. Oneg might be scum for actually trying early d1 instead of using the oneg rule or trolling around until later. I think rayn is town here, he seems much more measured. Like kels as well. And to ff statement about anger some of your posts fo feel angry or perturbed like when I had to drag a interaction out of you, and when you are willing to get your page of filter fast about nothing meh ff could still be scum When damdred posted this, that doesn't mean he is just talking about the first 2 posts. I can see where plotspot is coming from, because you explained the read early it came to his attention. I think that is reasonable. What's more important is his tone here, his willingness to explain and interact. He feels much townier to me than he did. | ||
raynpelikoneet
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He can't make up his mind if one of us is mafia. I apparently hadn't answered him properly. He NEVER re-questions me about my yamato read while i am one of the people he considers possible mafia. He just sits with his "idk reads" for the whole day not wanting to figure out anything. | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: It also makes pretty much no sense to me he is interested in me amongst other three people. He can't make up his mind if one of us is mafia. I apparently hadn't answered him properly. He NEVER re-questions me about my yamato read while i am one of the people he considers possible mafia. He just sits with his "idk reads" for the whole day not wanting to figure out anything. mhmm yeh his day was pretty terrible I don't know | ||
raynpelikoneet
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On July 21 2015 03:23 KelsierSC wrote: When damdred posted this, that doesn't mean he is just talking about the first 2 posts. I can see where plotspot is coming from, because you explained the read early it came to his attention. I think that is reasonable. What's more important is his tone here, his willingness to explain and interact. He feels much townier to me than he did. Like the bolded part is LITERALLY yamato's opening post!! Why would you ever think Damdred's read on yamato comes from different posts than mine does, as he LITERALLY uses yamato's opening post as evidence - backed up by the fact Damdred says "yamato might be town" after only three posts of his. Like there is no reason to ever assume my read comes from different posts than Damdred*s. | ||
geript
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VayneAuthority
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KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like the bolded part is LITERALLY yamato's opening post!! Why would you ever think Damdred's read on yamato comes from different posts than mine does, as he LITERALLY uses yamato's opening post as evidence - backed up by the fact Damdred says "yamato might be town" after only three posts of his. Like there is no reason to ever assume my read comes from different posts than Damdred*s. Damdred also says "some other posts" so he isn't necessarily only taking about the first 2. It's a really small detail rayn, like you explained the read early, that probably latched onto his mind. He might be scum , his day was bad and I didn't like the 2 world thing he was trying to set up. but I think his interactions this night have been ok. | ||
raynpelikoneet
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He has defended himself against me, and i find his defense unreasonable, because it oly shows he is either not reading properly or not processing what he reads at all. Then he has defended himself against why didn't he vote for JL. First of all his vote on FF is a complete throwaway. Second of all, as per his N1 posts he thought there is at least a chance geript is mafia, and he thought JL is not. The thing that a townie would do in that spot is to vote for geript. Like: On July 20 2015 07:27 plotspot wrote: I sorta had my doubts about geript, because he is so aggressive (I mean I don't know him, if you guys have better meta and read him better then that's cool), but then to the very end I tried to figure out who could be more scum: him or Kelsier and I couldn't decide because their whole argument hinged on misunderstandings from somewhere halfway in. this sorta thing is basically just really stupid. kelsier is never getting lynched. he thinks one of them might be scum. both of them are on the JL wagon. JL is his townread. For him it apparently doesn't mean anything? He jsut... Doesn't do anything. I can't understand how there is anything logical in that. Given that in his earlier games, while not having many reads, he at least TRIES to vote and lynch people he think are mafia. And no, i don't consider a throwaway vote 30min before EOD a "vote to lynch someone". I consider it a complete throwaway vote. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On July 21 2015 03:44 geript wrote: Rayn. Using that logic plots has every reasonable excuse to vote for me. Yet doesn't. He also has every reason (as town) to vote for you. Which would be logical. Yet he doesn't do that. Usually when someone does something that cannot be explained in any way it means they are mafia. Because we don't have all the information, they do. It can be based on something i don't know. Or something he thinks. idk. What i do know is that he isn't acting what is supposed to be logical to him as town at all. | ||
geript
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raynpelikoneet
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On July 21 2015 03:50 geript wrote: The point I'm making is that his action was illogical as any alignment. So I don't think that makes him anything other than illogical. Not necessarily. JL is his townread. It is possible he thinks he gets called out for voting for him if he does that. In case he votes for you he probably gets called out even more (assuming he is mafia here) because he voted with flipped scum. Who knows. | ||
Damdred
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JL town read on him is still bothering me and it feels like a read you give to a mafia team mate over a town member. Plus he was sorta buddying towards geript about a Yamato lynch, jumped on jl at a good time I admit but I think we were pushing that through anyway, even though he promises work he gives nothing back. I'm pretty sure he's the best vig shot tonight | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On July 21 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote: I would like to suggest that ff is a great shot tonight or a decent lynch. JL town read on him is still bothering me and it feels like a read you give to a mafia team mate over a town member. Plus he was sorta buddying towards geript about a Yamato lynch, jumped on jl at a good time I admit but I think we were pushing that through anyway, even though he promises work he gives nothing back. I'm pretty sure he's the best vig shot tonight I don't understand FF's attack on Rels on N1. Now he claims it is not an attack. But then, wtf is it? Like what is the reason to question a perfectly valid statement if it not an attack? | ||
Damdred
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I'm not sure that his weird reaction to my tr and rayns tr makes him scum. Townies don't make sense all the time and not sure if he's scum why he doesn't get town cred for voting jl instead of somewhat pushing against it. I'm not sure if lynch him tommorow ehh | ||
raynpelikoneet
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Based on the votes and the timing geript would be more likely to be mafia. At the time FF jumped on JL geript was still pursuing other lynches. There is a really good reason for FF to in fact go with geript against the world because if geript gets support it's more likely he will yell his lynch through over you & Rels. | ||
Damdred
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On July 21 2015 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand FF's attack on Rels on N1. Now he claims it is not an attack. But then, wtf is it? Like what is the reason to question a perfectly valid statement if it not an attack? I like this point to. | ||
Damdred
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And I believe I started pushing them back, simple truth I don't think geript could of convinced the people who were active to go I guess? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On July 21 2015 04:03 Damdred wrote: Geript was starting to get support for a Yamato lynch actually kel was going for him to. And I believe I started pushing them back, simple truth I don't think geript could of convinced the people who were active to go I guess? I strongly believe you cannot outargue geript with Rels in case geript gets steam behind. That's also why i believe geript is town, because he didn't do it. If i was mafia in FF's situation i would try to make geript lynch a townie, not vote for JL instead (before geript). | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 21 2015 04:03 Damdred wrote: Geript was starting to get support for a Yamato lynch actually kel was going for him to. And I believe I started pushing them back, simple truth I don't think geript could of convinced the people who were active to go I guess? there was no support for that lynch | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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I believe he would have had geript lynch yamato instead of JL vote (yamato was his scumread aswell). | ||
KelsierSC
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RIP | ||
raynpelikoneet
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Probably because he is mafia. Which is supported with his scummier than scum comment at the start of N1. yamato still best lynch D2. | ||
Damdred
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Yamato only got a lot more attention when the geript wagon died down, so its super possible that mafia team was more afk and whoever was active might of thought it better foe the town cred. The Yamato push came a hit late in earnest to me at least | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 21 2015 04:12 Damdred wrote: Well one thing to consider with Yamato is that jl committed to lynching geript when it was easy to lynch him. Yamato only got a lot more attention when the geript wagon died down, so its super possible that mafia team was more afk and whoever was active might of thought it better foe the town cred. The Yamato push came a hit late in earnest to me at least well the geript wagon was started in earnest by me and when I reevaluated I thought yamato was scum so that isn't massively surprising | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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There is at max 1 mafia there and i am pretty convinced there is none. Anyways far easier to find mafia elsewhere. Everyone on JL had at least semi-good reasons for their voting/timing whatever. Noone can argue anyone from the off-train looks better than anyone on JL (yes that's including me). | ||
geript
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KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 04:18 geript wrote: Information wise. That makes Yam the best vigi shot. Fg/Rayn/onegu/plots the cop check. Maybe even Rels noo way rels is clear town | ||
raynpelikoneet
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I am back to thinking yamato/Onegu for scum. | ||
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Damdred
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onegu might be a good shot to though, Yamato idk I still have reservations. Va what are the thoughts on him | ||
geript
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KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 04:22 geript wrote: I disagree. I see newer mafia attack things they think look like scumslips all the time. And his first two attacks on JL are pretty odd. That may be the case, but the person he attacked was mafia. | ||
geript
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VayneAuthority
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On July 21 2015 04:20 Damdred wrote: I'd be ok with ignoring ff tommorow just for the town cred if there are two mafia on his wagon its a head scratcher anyway. onegu might be a good shot to though, Yamato idk I still have reservations. Va what are the thoughts on him thoughts on who? | ||
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geript
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Like I wouldnt lynch him yet, but I wouldnt hate a cop check on him. | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 04:29 geript wrote: Like Rels case on Jlaw is pretty good. But there's something that really bugs me about kels picking up on jlaw's first post. Like I wouldnt lynch him yet, but I wouldnt hate a cop check on him. sorry geript I don't understand what you mean. | ||
Rels
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On July 21 2015 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: meh no Damdred. It actually makes no sense for FF to be mafia. Based on the votes and the timing geript would be more likely to be mafia. At the time FF jumped on JL geript was still pursuing other lynches. There is a really good reason for FF to in fact go with geript against the world because if geript gets support it's more likely he will yell his lynch through over you & Rels. Wanted to respons Damdred's post about viging FF, but this one above is what I would wrote. | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 21 2015 04:22 geript wrote: I disagree. I see newer mafia attack things they think look like scumslips all the time. And his first two attacks on JL are pretty odd. If you're talking about me, are you saying these two posts are suspicious ? On July 18 2015 18:36 Rels wrote: @People still in this thread (yamato and rayn). Do you find this first post forced ? On July 18 2015 18:39 Rels wrote: I don't understand this sentence. Are you town or scum reading his "relaxed" posts ? | ||
geript
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On July 21 2015 04:36 Rels wrote: If you're talking about me, are you saying these two posts are suspicious ? The first more than the second. The second has some obvious wording that catches the eye. | ||
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Rels
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On July 21 2015 04:37 geript wrote: The first more than the second. The second has some obvious wording that catches the eye. Alright I can see why you're asking. I found this post forced for that reason: What's a scut? : Serious question about something that happened inside the game. Fecalfeast is your id picked from an awesome band or....? Too scared to google it. Funny comment on something outside the game. So the two parts of this post are not connected, as if JL didn't write his first post in one go. I think it's a scum sign if you need to think before your first post. | ||
geript
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On July 18 2015 18:36 Rels wrote: @People still in this thread (yamato and rayn). Do you find this first post forced ? I just don't really get how JLaw's post could come across as forced. There's really not emotion in it. Usually when people talk about forced posts it's in regards to forced anger or forced excitement or whatever. Basically that someone is trying to force an emotion instead of just posting with that emotion. It's just a really odd thing to remark about as it regards JLaw's post. Seeing as how he's the first to jump on JLaw's "relaxed" post and Jlaw's emoticon thing referring to the wrong person or whatever, it's just rather interesting to me. Because the most common reaction I see from newer scum is to jump on their buddies either in thread or in QT because they see things that their teammates are posting that they feel are obvious scumslips. | ||
Fecalfeast
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I'm not mafia though so you probably shouldn't. | ||
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geript
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On July 21 2015 04:45 Fecalfeast wrote: god i'm stupid I should sig that just to remind you | ||
Damdred
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Well I don't think a check on rels is a good idea honestly, even if it is newer mafia thing to go after other team mates usually. But what's the point coming into thread casing your team mate reading geript as town and pushing the lynch, a negative though he did go away after the initial push. I just don't understand why mafia rels wouldn't hammer town geript when scim were starting to move on geript at that point. | ||
Onegu
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Like rels is the only really townie guy on there. | ||
Rels
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On July 21 2015 05:12 Onegu wrote: onegu is here and like how you guys go on about how only one and most likely zero scum were on the JL wagon is so bad. Like looking back on it he was a good bus target. Like rels is the only really townie guy on there. I agree in principle. But the truth is that before geript's vote (and excluding it), JL didn't look he was going to be lynched at all. So who is bussing for you ? jonnylaw (6): Rels, Damdred, Fecalfeast, geript, VayneAuthority, KelsierSC | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 05:12 Onegu wrote: onegu is here and like how you guys go on about how only one and most likely zero scum were on the JL wagon is so bad. Like looking back on it he was a good bus target. Like rels is the only really townie guy on there. your only other lynch target is rayn and he wasn't on there. | ||
yamato77
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If I am vigged tonight you are all quite bad players and should be ashamed. | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 05:24 yamato77 wrote: I have the rest of today and all day tomorrow to play this game. If I am vigged tonight you are all quite bad players and should be ashamed. #vigshot | ||
Damdred
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However what's the point of bussing your team mate into the ground that early when you an take out a strong player in geript, or a lynch in Yamato where half the game wouldn't blame anyone for voting? | ||
Onegu
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On July 21 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote: Honestly I will admit that some of the people on the wagon do have some flaws. However what's the point of bussing your team mate into the ground that early when you an take out a strong player in geript, or a lynch in Yamato where half the game wouldn't blame anyone for voting? Then look bad when JL does get lynched? FF/VA look the worst on the wagon btw. | ||
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On July 21 2015 05:39 Onegu wrote: Then look bad when JL does get lynched? FF/VA look the worst on the wagon btw. why do i look bad for voting someone i scumread earlier in the day? | ||
plotspot
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On July 21 2015 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem still stands. Damdred says he has a townread on yamato at the same time i do (only 3-4 posts in). I explain my read. yamato posts more. Damdred gives his explanation after yamato posts more (but talks about only of those 3-4 first posts). I give more of an explanation which is the same as Damdred's (as it was at first aswell). plotspot agrees with Damdred's explanation but somehow mine isn't good (while he is even townreading yamato aswell). No wait, I think we have a communication problem here, this is not how the order of things were. Let's try to get the order straight first. 1. Yamato makes 3 posts. EXACTLY 3 posts. Not 3-4 or stuff, be precise here. 2. Damdred say exactly: "Kinda think Yamato feels town". NO EXPLATION. 3. You say exactly: "Nvm Yamato is town." NO EXPLANATION. (much much later I' wondering this statement here, I don't have a problem with Damdred when he vaguely thinks yamato might be town. Yes it is the wording I have a problem with, that's why I have ask again and again whether it is (a) you have some special meta or (b) it is just your way of saying "I feel Yamato might be town here". It's a perception problem I have with someone who appears VERY FIRM about it, what's the secret to his knowledge? 4. Yamato makes exactly 4 posts. NOT 3-4 or something. Exactly 4 posts. 5. You EXPLAIN your townread on yamato. 6. Damdred EXPLAINS his townread on yamato. 7. You express your feelings that Damdred's explanation is pretty good, plus some more why you read yamato town. 8. Yamato posts some more. We should agree on this first before I go on. | ||
Rels
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On July 21 2015 05:39 Onegu wrote: Then look bad when JL does get lynched? FF/VA look the worst on the wagon btw. I really don't agree at all with you. FF was the third vote on JL, at a time when I didn't make the case, so geript's train was still strong, and there were other alternative. VA attacked JL all game. But I'll let them talk to you. | ||
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Fecalfeast
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On July 21 2015 05:52 Onegu wrote: I said bus. He was easy bus I just don't see why I would bus my teammate so early when the wagon hadn't formed? I don't enjoy busing as mafia since I tried it with HF and it felt icky but that's wifom | ||
VayneAuthority
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Complete nonsense. We are lynching onegu tomorrow. | ||
Fecalfeast
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On July 21 2015 05:58 VayneAuthority wrote: So the first thing I did when I entered this game is shit on my mafia partner and bring attention to him when his name was basically never brought up in the thread before that. Complete nonsense. We are lynching onegu tomorrow. /in | ||
plotspot
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I know from my head that I should push more, ask more questions, but I don't know how to do that. I'm not good at it. I'm dying to explain to you why I can't be scum playing like this, and ok that I'm bad at this game, but I can't at the moment. Just remember this. | ||
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KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 06:09 Damdred wrote: Like I would rather Yamato not be shot at all and like oneg or someone else shot just a feeling though you and rayn read yamato the same way rayn wants to kill yamato now, so why is he wrong? | ||
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Rels
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On July 21 2015 06:09 Damdred wrote: Like I would rather Yamato not be shot at all and like oneg or someone else shot just a feeling though I feel the exact opposite. Lynching yamato tomorrow will bring no info, town or mafia. I think getting Onegu lynched will be much more interesting. At the end of the day I think they're both likely to be scum so I'm OK to kill them both. But if I was vig I'll shoot yamato. | ||
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KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 06:14 Damdred wrote: Idk, original stuff is ok but he can afk as either alignment meh. Idk how to explain my gut I think there's more than just the AFK stuff against him but ok if that's your gut. I agree this onegu stuff since entering the thread again is pretty bad, calling VA mafia is incorrect imo. onegu or yamato i'd be ok with | ||
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geript
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yamato77
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geript
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On July 21 2015 06:30 yamato77 wrote: I'll explain my reads later. Later... codeword for never. | ||
plotspot
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Just don't be like tictock, I made so little sense as town in this one game that he made a 2000 word essay imagining every little step I planned out as mafia. It was ridiculous. Yes this is my meta. Me not making sense is not a mafia trait with my current experience in games. Maybe you want to know this, before breaking your head over the fact that I don't make sense. But I of course accept it that I cannot hide behind this forever. I will fight and try to explain things to you as best as I can. | ||
yamato77
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On July 21 2015 06:24 geript wrote: I don't think it's that different from yam not having reads. literally all I've posted this game basically are reads sure, I haven't exactly been loquacious on the subject, but who really gives a fuck? it's incredible how stupid this post is, given the context of my play. I'm incredibly biased but I don't understand how geript could be this stupid. | ||
yamato77
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On July 20 2015 02:22 yamato77 wrote: Geript is not town. Rayn ands damdred both probably are Johnny lynch is a complete crapshoot. Also, on the argument that this post means anything let's look at what johnny had posted up to that point On July 18 2015 08:17 JonnyLaw wrote: hi guys What's a scut? Fecalfeast is your id picked from an awesome band or....? Too scared to google it. On July 18 2015 08:18 JonnyLaw wrote: and man, ksc you're so angry out the door. On July 18 2015 17:29 JonnyLaw wrote: what are you seeing that makes Yamato town? geript's posted twice and both posts are calling people scum with no backing. making me nervous geript. On July 18 2015 18:07 JonnyLaw wrote: well seems dead here. 3am and head full of beer i'll be back in the morning. ff seems relaxed to me. comfortable acting as a townie even. kelsier's aggressive. geript's posts make no sense to me. On July 19 2015 17:35 JonnyLaw wrote: I'm very sorry for the 24 hour absence. I'll be here in the morning. I've spent the last twelve hours in the animal hospital with my dog. She's very sick and very young. It shouldn't impair my gameplay much more but I'm ten pages behind. Such scum posts, wow, so obvious How could I have called him a coinflip? I'm so obviously mafia defending my teammate god | ||
geript
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On July 21 2015 06:36 yamato77 wrote: literally all I've posted this game basically are reads sure, I haven't exactly been loquacious on the subject, but who really gives a fuck? it's incredible how stupid this post is, given the context of my play. I'm incredibly biased but I don't understand how geript could be this stupid. No. All you've posted are opinions. There's no logic, reason or thought process to any of your "reads". The context of your play is that you haven't played the game whatsoever. | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 06:30 yamato77 wrote: I'll explain my reads later. considering there is a good chance you die here it would be good if you explain your reads. | ||
yamato77
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On July 19 2015 02:57 geript wrote: Rayn's townread on Johnny is really bad. Maybe not scummy but it's def a bad scumread. It is bugging me how Rayn tends to read most people as town. Why is rayn's townread bad? Why is rayn having weak townreads early a bad thing? This post on its own makes little sense, and he's using it to set up this: On July 19 2015 03:41 geript wrote: I'm actually pretty sure that there's exactly 1 between JohnnyLaw and Rayn and I'm not sure who's the town. Yam might be town, but I didn't really like his response to me. It felt like it was lacking something. Plus he didn't really terribly respond to my vote on him, but I kinda think that would happen as either alignment. Onegu is probably the best lynch today. Either him or maybe plotspot. Plot's a good policy lynch, but Onegu's really missing something. I think it's that his joke isn't actually funny and it's a minor joke. Vayne I'm kinda guessing is town. But I think that's because he's only townread me as town. It kinda scares me that he kinda seems to care about the game. I have a hard time thinking that he'd actively consider or follow how he reads me. Damdred is my mason partner. So I don't have to bother reading him. It's pretty sweet and shit at the same time. I want to look in Rels/Kels read. I forget which, but I'm feeling extra lazy. Otherwise I'm kinda meh on people. Which is a post full of bullshit. Why is there exactly one mafia between Johnny and rayn, precisely? None of his mafia reads make a whole lot of sense and his townread of damdred is some stupid cop-out read. On July 20 2015 00:45 geript wrote: I want to kill one of Johnny and Rayn. And currently Raynes the winner ther. As for plot. Who fucking knows. He's a policy lynch. Doesn't really seem all that interested in actually lynching johnny On July 20 2015 00:54 geript wrote: Can you face palm harder? I don't want to lynch between Johnny/Rayn. I think there's exactly one mafia between them and I think that's rayn. On July 20 2015 00:58 geript wrote: I am deciding between the two. But I don't want to lynch both. But it's not like I only am deciding the lynch between those two. Just that I want to lynch exactly 1 between those two and Rayn's in the lead there. zzzz more of this shit On July 20 2015 01:45 geript wrote: Oh and btw, Johnny is leading the Rayn v Johnny thing Siiiiiiiiiiiick On July 20 2015 03:22 geript wrote: Lynch Yam. Lynch Kelsier. Lynch Onegu. Lynch Johnny. And he wants to lynch johnny because? On July 20 2015 04:18 geript wrote: Yam/kels preferred lynches. I'll vote for Jonny if I need to. lawl On July 20 2015 05:17 geript wrote: ##unvote KelsierSC ##vote jonnylaw On July 20 2015 05:22 geript wrote: There's literally zero point to lynch JLaw when we could lynch Kelsier who is pretending to have the mental acuity of a potato. We could lynch Yamato for being on the rag and literally doing absolutely nothing whatsoever or making anything other than the barest hint of appearance to do anything. ??????? On July 20 2015 06:07 geript wrote: I don't think that's alignment indicative at all. If I knew him better, I could try to apply dick move analysis, but I don't. Yam is still a much better lynch. He says while voting johnny In short, geript essentially fabricated horrible reasons for scumreading people all day and then managed to put his vote on the johnny wagon for ? reason and left it there while trying his best to get me lynched instead. And now there's no reason for me to read him town | ||
yamato77
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On July 21 2015 06:42 geript wrote: No. All you've posted are opinions. There's no logic, reason or thought process to any of your "reads". The context of your play is that you haven't played the game whatsoever. you're a complete idiot if you're town if you're mafia, you've been caught and you should roll over so if I'm shot now, I want people to know geript is not town | ||
yamato77
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On July 21 2015 06:49 KelsierSC wrote: considering there is a good chance you die here it would be good if you explain your reads. you are also a jubjub but I know you to be chronic jubjub so you're probably still town that is to say, geript is also bad but never quite this bad | ||
Onegu
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Second scum is VA/FF. Bussing is a thing. | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 06:51 yamato77 wrote: you are also a jubjub but I know you to be chronic jubjub so you're probably still town that is to say, geript is also bad but never quite this bad i'm just asking you to explain your reads you don't have to insult me | ||
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On July 21 2015 06:49 yamato77 wrote: Also, let's take a look at geript's posts about Johnny, since the best argument I can really make for geript being town at this point is that he voted for Johnny... Why is rayn's townread bad? Why is rayn having weak townreads early a bad thing? This post on its own makes little sense, and he's using it to set up this: Which is a post full of bullshit. Why is there exactly one mafia between Johnny and rayn, precisely? None of his mafia reads make a whole lot of sense and his townread of damdred is some stupid cop-out read. Doesn't really seem all that interested in actually lynching johnny zzzz more of this shit Siiiiiiiiiiiick And he wants to lynch johnny because? lawl ??????? He says while voting johnny In short, geript essentially fabricated horrible reasons for scumreading people all day and then managed to put his vote on the johnny wagon for ? reason and left it there while trying his best to get me lynched instead. And now there's no reason for me to read him town This is a pretty good post actually. | ||
yamato77
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Notably, most of the rest of his filter is either poking at me, arguing with you, or just plain shitposting about nothing meaningful whatsoever | ||
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yamato77
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I've never seen VA not scumread me when he's in the game so ? FF I thought was fairly mafia D1 and there's not a whole lot of reason to think otherwise. I'll stick to my guns on rayn/damdred seeing as they are both quite obviously town Rels I haven't filtered but he also seemed townie, interested in solving the game onegu I thought was town but ? with the rayn scumread milo literally hasn't posted so hopefully he's the other mafia with geript and the high number of townish reads I had early were just sick plays | ||
geript
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On July 21 2015 06:56 KelsierSC wrote: geript why did you change from rayn leading, to wanting to lynch johnny? Because Rayn used logic that I was able to recognize as being his town logic. That simple. Right around when Damdred/Rayn/I were talking towards ~6 hours to lynch or so. | ||
yamato77
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On July 21 2015 06:57 geript wrote: It would be if he weren't selectively using my filter. Like he's literally avoiding where I talk about Rayn/Johnny as exactly 1. He's avoiding where I bring up rayn's read on Johnny. Like the logic Rayn uses is obviously bad. I avoided nothing. you're not even reading the post. why is johnny mafia if rayn is town? makes no fucking sense to read johnny mafia for rayn's bad townread you never even gave a read on johnny outside of rayn's read on him you're full of shit | ||
yamato77
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On July 21 2015 06:58 geript wrote: Because Rayn used logic that I was able to recognize as being his town logic. That simple. Right around when Damdred/Rayn/I were talking towards ~6 hours to lynch or so. loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool | ||
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geript
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On July 19 2015 04:12 geript wrote: Nope it's not. People seem to be happy to let everyone be fine with townreads on Johnny. But he has done basically nothing to be townread; and anyone who's townreading him is doing so awfully. So when that continues, it's generally because the guy is mafia. Yet you haven't cared about the fact that I'm not townreading Johnny whatsoever. You haven't even bothered with it. Plus the reasoning that I quoted is shit. Quite often as mafia, you call people town to look good for awful reasons. Just so that you can emulate your townplay. You could be not wanting to bus, but I find that unlikely. Second, you've failed to go through and actually analyze the argument I'm making and Kelsier is making. Like if you followed the thread in context, you'd understand the point I've made. It's not me taking things out of context whatsoever. Rather, Kelsier has continued to ask stupid questions and try to make points that are literally not following any reality in the thread. For example, he's quoted the post where Yam responded to me, and yet as asked where Yam responded to me. He's constantly asked why I don't find his posts to be short/assholey. Yet my wording has specifically and clearly pointed out that I find them short/assholey. Rather the point I've been making is that Yam doesn't feel short/assholey enough; that as town, he's usually more prone to being extra dumb/short/assholey. Which is why I'm thinking he might be town considering his follow up. But Kelsier isn't actually trying to think about what I've said. He's just trying to be active. | ||
Holyflare
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rels the Vanilla Townie has been killed milo the Mafia Goon has been modkilled till deadline | ||
KelsierSC
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ban milo forever | ||
plotspot
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yamato77
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nowhere in there is a real read on johnny you're still only talking about rayn's read you're still full of shit | ||
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yamato77
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your teammates sucked RIP your chances of winning | ||
geript
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Not like it's hard whatsoever to show how much you're leaving out and how much you're flat out lying. Yam. Why don't you explain why when you commented like 3 times when the thread was dead... Why didn't you post something? You wanted to lynch me right? Or FF? So... explain why you didn't care about anyone who was or would be lynched. | ||
yamato77
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On July 21 2015 07:07 geript wrote: Like literally all anyone has to do is hit all on my filter and control+f rayn and see the various points that I've covered exactly what you've stated. Not like it's hard whatsoever to show how much you're leaving out and how much you're flat out lying. Yam. Why don't you explain why when you commented like 3 times when the thread was dead... Why didn't you post something? You wanted to lynch me right? Or FF? So... explain why you didn't care about anyone who was or would be lynched. there wasn't anything to talk about I hadn't already commented on I had my reads and I am not obligated to post anything aside from those, to be quite honest. | ||
geript
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On July 21 2015 07:06 KelsierSC wrote: you can probably stop fighting now I have red on onegu =) Funny thing is, I don't believe this at all. | ||
Onegu
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On July 21 2015 07:06 KelsierSC wrote: you can probably stop fighting now I have red on onegu =) Lol If I rolled miller 2 games in a row. Happy to be lynched here. Then either Kelsier is shot for being cop or you lynch him. | ||
yamato77
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On July 21 2015 07:06 KelsierSC wrote: you can probably stop fighting now I have red on onegu =) both framer and miller are potential roles that said, I do think we kind of have to lynch him maybe | ||
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geript
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On July 21 2015 07:09 yamato77 wrote: there wasn't anything to talk about I hadn't already commented on I had my reads and I am not obligated to post anything aside from those, to be quite honest. Comments on nothing. Posts blatant lies. Complains about dead thread. Only starts to care when most of the thread wants him shot/lynched. Very believable. | ||
Damdred
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can't not lynch a red check here | ||
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yamato77
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On July 21 2015 07:10 geript wrote: Comments on nothing. Posts blatant lies. Complains about dead thread. Only starts to care when most of the thread wants him shot/lynched. Very believable. plays the game, posts reads, smart players townreading him geript being dumbass nothing to talk about, thread is dead go to work, work until today, people scumread for bad reasons mfw | ||
geript
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2 goons flip town gets a sane cop 3rd mafia isn't a gf Odds not very high | ||
Damdred
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no way | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 07:12 geript wrote: ##vote yamato 2 goons flip town gets a sane cop 3rd mafia isn't a gf Odds not very high good post | ||
Onegu
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On July 21 2015 07:12 Damdred wrote: I hate to call you guys bad...but I think there is a 0% chance Yamato doesn't concede with an afk Milo Jonny being lynched d1 and he keeps fighting. no way +1 ##Vote Onegu | ||
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Damdred
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Besides that Yamato is town | ||
yamato77
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On July 21 2015 07:12 Damdred wrote: I hate to call you guys bad...but I think there is a 0% chance Yamato doesn't concede with an afk Milo Jonny being lynched d1 and he keeps fighting. no way smart man, this one | ||
yamato77
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are you actually mafia? | ||
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geript
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On July 21 2015 07:13 Damdred wrote: Literally hf gives bastard setups ot could be all goon vs all millers and one cop. Its just how he is. Setup means almost nothing in this situation. Besides that Yamato is town Which is why we shouldn't lynch based only on a check. It also wouldn't be unlike him to tell the mafia team the setup with 3 goons. | ||
Onegu
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On July 21 2015 07:14 yamato77 wrote: onegu dude are you actually mafia? Would concede here with a actual red check and 2 mafia mates dead on day 2. But you have to lynch the red check here | ||
Onegu
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On July 21 2015 07:15 geript wrote: Which is why we shouldn't lynch based only on a check. It also wouldn't be unlike him to tell the mafia team the setup with 3 goons. Nope have to lynch the red check. Red checks always die from here on out. You hear me HF? | ||
yamato77
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HF will neither confirm nor deny | ||
Onegu
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VayneAuthority
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yamato77
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if he was framed that's a pretty decent play by the mafia he could also just be mafia ##Vote: Onegu | ||
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VayneAuthority
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I cant remember. I mean im pretty much cleared just by that i would never NK some one that i dont even know who they are lmao. | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 07:42 VayneAuthority wrote: did anyone besides rayn think rels was "the towniest player?" I cant remember. I mean im pretty much cleared just by that i would never NK some one that i dont even know who they are lmao. I made it clear I thought he was town. I don't think I explicitly said he was the towniest though | ||
geript
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On July 21 2015 06:58 yamato77 wrote: milo literally hasn't posted so hopefully he's the other mafia Lynch the Scumato. | ||
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plotspot
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Like if you believe Rels made that NAI case to scumread his partner, and hopes someone spots it in time to save him, it's ridiculous. | ||
yamato77
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On July 21 2015 08:10 KelsierSC wrote: I'm not the cop why are you a dumbass? | ||
KelsierSC
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it's one hour into the day I got some reactions and if we have a cop he didn't out no harm done | ||
yamato77
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On July 21 2015 07:58 geript wrote: Pretty interesting that Yam only had 1 scumread before the EoN. It's almost as if he knew that Lynch the Scumato. just stop posting ##unvote ##Vote: geript I'm now done with reading your posts. Lynch either me or him, I'm actually done playing if he's in the game. | ||
Fecalfeast
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I was kinda hoping we'd just win. Oh well | ||
yamato77
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On July 21 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote: it's one hour into the day I got some reactions and if we have a cop he didn't out no harm done stop fucking fakeclaiming I'm tempted to policy lynch you for this shit to prove a point but alas, geript still exists | ||
Damdred
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so I guess just going by everything I think the last scum is between plots and ff. I think oneg reaction makes him towny, I think kel is town, rayn is acting towny, Yamato makes sense as town honestly he's still playing, geript is town I still think. Va I think is town but always suspicious of him. Honestly I'm happy voting either of these off | ||
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KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 08:19 yamato77 wrote: stop fucking fakeclaiming I'm tempted to policy lynch you for this shit to prove a point but alas, geript still exists i haven't fake claimed in like 6 games or something so I have no idea what you are on about | ||
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yamato77
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On July 21 2015 08:20 KelsierSC wrote: i haven't fake claimed in like 6 games or something so I have no idea what you are on about it's a message to EVERYONE to stop fakeclaiming as town it's incredibly fucking stupid | ||
KelsierSC
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On July 21 2015 08:20 yamato77 wrote: it's a message to EVERYONE to stop fakeclaiming as town it's incredibly fucking stupid how pleasant | ||
yamato77
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I'm a dick, for good reason | ||
KelsierSC
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ok i'm just playing a game and having fun but you go ahead and do your thing. | ||
geript
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Also. We can lynch Scumato now. | ||
Damdred
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geript
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Damdred
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So I think meta wise reason to think geript is town, game play wise I don't see mafia motivation in what he's done. Plus scum tried to kill him with a vote so it leads me to think geript is town. Yamato would be by himself as scum, he's never winning this game he's been assholey its true and kinda afk at points hut he would of conceded this game here. He's town. onegu had a fake red check on him, his reaction felt really good to me and felt like he was town going down to a point. So that's the top three most disputed players currently. this leaves us where scum has to be in VA, Rayn, Me, Kel, plot, fecalfeast I'm town, helped lead lynch on Jonny etc. rayn looks pretty towny posted a lot has totally been re evaluating and questioning people seems pretty balanced and doesn't tilt ND not come back from it. Just from this game he looks town. Things I said about kel still apply he is involved in everything, want him to say what he's learned reaction wise. But I think he's pretty towny. Honestly last scum has to be either ff or plot. We have three mislynches until mylo, plot posts feel strange after d2 start or his post. Nothing about the red check like he knew it wad fake just wanted to talk about rels. ff could be scum but idk lynch both win game | ||
yamato77
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On July 21 2015 08:26 Damdred wrote: Attitude dog headedness, thinks he's right no matter what no survival instinct to a degree and not oing along to get on peoples good sided that's how he plays as mafia | ||
yamato77
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On July 21 2015 08:28 geript wrote: Literally posts 1 scum read with a bunch of lies in it. Then tries to explain why he won't be posting/playing on D2 either after not playing on D1. are you retarded? | ||
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geript
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Yup. I'm a retard with two different college degrees AND my high school diploma. | ||
Fecalfeast
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On July 21 2015 11:12 geript wrote: Yup. I'm a retard with two different college degrees AND my high school diploma. So strong. So brave. | ||
Damdred
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Yam is kinda being mean and I don't like it I could lynch. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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There is basically no way either of yamato/onegu is scum. Go read damdred's post. | ||
Fecalfeast
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##vote plotspot bahhh | ||
raynpelikoneet
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geript that is just stupid. | ||
raynpelikoneet
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He still needs to play and he is not clear, but definitely not the lynch today because of plotspot's non-reaction to.... everything. | ||
raynpelikoneet
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plotspot
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My first thought were Kelsier, cop or not. Ok let's just say cop, because I've witnessed 2 games where cop-claims have gotten quite messy, no need to rush things. Cop play is always strange and can always have fun turn-arounds. Since I read Onegu town, I was thinking "ok let' step back, in which circumstances could he be a redchecki if not mafia? miller, framed?" The problem was it was already pointed out by yamato and I didn’t want to repeat it. Geript also made a good point about how a game with a cop, no way the third mafia is also identifiable via a cop. It made sense to me and I thought maybe Kelsier was not the cop. All the while Onegu was getting townier by the minute. It came just down to whether people believe that he as a mafia would concede or not. And it really looked to me like if he was mafia he was ready to concede, so he couldn’t? And must be town? Miller most probably then, because being framed means there is a framer and it wouldn’t go well it geripts theory. Still obviously a framer can balance out a cop, but I have no clue about setup balances so I don’t know whether a framer balances it out better than a GF or something. So ok he is miller or could framed. Then HF feels the need to make a bluepost about it that miller is unaware; so Onegu is miller? Otherwise it would mean HF explained something that isn’t actually relevant, or it’s just because people were wondering about it and he answered it very technically. I had the feeling HF really thought about whether he should explain this. Ok, I had these thoughts and wanted to put them down in one or another form, but new post kept flying over my head. It didn't help me write an organized opinion. Meh. | ||
raynpelikoneet
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On July 21 2015 06:05 plotspot wrote: And you know what? I think you, rayn, have so much experience with this game, you totally think in a different sphere of how to approach this game. Me, I just follow my instinct sort of. Lol 1st game I was lynched d1, 2nd game I was called stupid town RB and am the reason why sicklucker has to sitout 3 games (at least I feel responsible about it for a part), 3rd game lol I got lynched for yolo play. I don't make a lot of sense. I know from my head that I should push more, ask more questions, but I don't know how to do that. I'm not good at it. I'm dying to explain to you why I can't be scum playing like this, and ok that I'm bad at this game, but I can't at the moment. Just remember this. The problem is the following: You do not basically do anything. I read the game where you were the roleblocker and while you were acting quite weird in terms of what you did, you ACTUALLY DID THINGS. You put way much effort to the game in comparison to what you are doing here. - whatever you say i do not think your D1 vote was reasonable in regards your 4 man circle and JL townread. - in fact the four man circle is quite nonsense because you never come into any conclusion. Assuming we four are most likely all town it makes it even more scummy. It looks like you want to look like you are doing something while you actually arent. - you gave two different explanations for your claim at the start. You literally did. - you fail to comment on important things in the thread. See: red check claimed on onegu. That doesn't make any sense given at that time that was the ONLY thing you should talk about, unless you somehow know Onegu is not mafia and again, you don't want to make enemies by calling townies scum. So yeah. That's why i think you are scum. It is possible you just somehow read ly/damdred's posts differently, and i don't know if that is enough to think you are mafia (based on that), but again; that stuff didn't lead you anywhere. Basically imo that covers everything you have done in this game. You are the only person in the who has NONE actions i consider coming over 50% from a townie. In fact i cannot understand 90% of the things you do from town perspective at all. You just do random stuff that doesn't lead anywhere. And that's not what you did in the game i read. You had a big fucking graph of things and you actually tried to conclude something from people's actions. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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If you are not mafia then who is and why? | ||
plotspot
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And yeah rayn, while your reasons for scumreading me are good, it’s still only because I suck as town. D1 was my genuine towngame (and some people read it like that), because I only checked my role at the beginning of N1. That’s the reason why I didn’t know whether jonny was town or mafia, and really struggled with voting for him or not. I also honestly thought FF could be mafia, well not now anymore. I was thinking scumreading him, but no it’s stupid, I won’t do that. The game you read where I had the chart thing, it was also D1 blind. I could have been mafia there too. The chart thing didn’t matter.^^. I guess Kelsier who cohosted this game with cakepie, never knew about it? I just wanted to see what you guys will post for a while, but it’s kinda dead so yeah. Sorry I wanted to make it a bit more entertaining for you guys, but I guess it’s quite settled that you will win anyway so you are rather bored by it. It’s ok. I just thought I give you guys some time to “think” about stuff some more.XD I think it was my fault, why this mafia game went to crap. I was never there D1. Jonny has 1 “hi”. Milo had one “hello” after 36 hours into D1. If they came here and say they lost motivation and didn’t see the chance to win because we lacked coordination for I was never there, I’d accept it. Hmm anything else? I thought geript was funny. Lol scumato. FF was really scummy and yet so townish in his own way, I felt sorry. Suppose I was town, I could really go on, and I think I would have failed that reaction test by Kelsier, because I tend to stay back and analyze first even as town, because we still had so much time and so much things were going on. I hope Jonny’s dog is fine, I love dogs too. Yeah, sorry if you guys felt underwhelmed by this game. Lots of stuff came together.^^ | ||
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Rels
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On July 21 2015 21:16 plotspot wrote: Nah, I concede, It’s difficult enough for me to scumhunt D1, now I actually have to make them up? Sorry, I’m not there yet. Lol and I hate lying, maybe I will if I can summarize lying into a greater concept. And yeah rayn, while your reasons for scumreading me are good, it’s still only because I suck as town. D1 was my genuine towngame (and some people read it like that), because I only checked my role at the beginning of N1. That’s the reason why I didn’t know whether jonny was town or mafia, and really struggled with voting for him or not. I also honestly thought FF could be mafia, well not now anymore. I was thinking scumreading him, but no it’s stupid, I won’t do that. The game you read where I had the chart thing, it was also D1 blind. I could have been mafia there too. The chart thing didn’t matter.^^. I guess Kelsier who cohosted this game with cakepie, never knew about it? I just wanted to see what you guys will post for a while, but it’s kinda dead so yeah. Sorry I wanted to make it a bit more entertaining for you guys, but I guess it’s quite settled that you will win anyway so you are rather bored by it. It’s ok. I just thought I give you guys some time to “think” about stuff some more.XD I think it was my fault, why this mafia game went to crap. I was never there D1. Jonny has 1 “hi”. Milo had one “hello” after 36 hours into D1. If they came here and say they lost motivation and didn’t see the chance to win because we lacked coordination for I was never there, I’d accept it. Hmm anything else? I thought geript was funny. Lol scumato. FF was really scummy and yet so townish in his own way, I felt sorry. Suppose I was town, I could really go on, and I think I would have failed that reaction test by Kelsier, because I tend to stay back and analyze first even as town, because we still had so much time and so much things were going on. I hope Jonny’s dog is fine, I love dogs too. Yeah, sorry if you guys felt underwhelmed by this game. Lots of stuff came together.^^ GG. Intrigued by this way of playing without knowing your role D1. With your two experiences now, what do you think of it ? | ||
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Damdred
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And I guess my reads this game was pretty good had Jonny as scum most of d1 and plot scum for d2. I did get side tracked on ff a bit but I just wanted him to play like I know he can. anyway gg all. ##vote plot] XD | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Onegu confirmed cannot read me anymore. Sorry for my bad D1 play. | ||
Damdred
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Your play d1 wasn't horrible rayn, you successfully identified town, you didn't want to end up fighting with me when we could have making it harder to find mafia and you were questioning scum plot so overall I think you played well. I am sorry I called ff town but besides that I feel ok had a really hard time elaborating on gut reads this game though, or meta reads that were a bit harder to explain like why not to shoot yamato. | ||
plotspot
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On July 21 2015 21:24 Rels wrote: GG. Intrigued by this way of playing without knowing your role D1. With your two experiences now, what do you think of it ? It's actually 3.^^ Not sure, it's interesting. Presume I play blind and I play it perfectly, than it will come down to me scumreading myself if I was scum, because of PoE right? This game I really had most towns as town reads, maybe not Kelsier and ff because they were a bit strange. Bur for example if I was scum and actually lynched another scum on D1, then find out about it N1, I basically have some town creds. If I had enough guts to point fingers and townies with actually another partner still alive and supporting, I think it's still no problem. If I die as scum on D1 with that sort of play, the benefit would be that there is no connection established between me and my other scum mates. Also this means my town-game sucked and I got lynched D1. Fine too. Improve next time. The thing is 75% of the time I should roll as town and whether I play a towngame as town or not knowing my role, it should be the same. 25% when I roll scum, the situation is still not lost as I decribed above, there are advantages and disadvantages, it totally depends on the scumteam too, like you see in this situation. I'm not sure whether they were disheartened or were simply absent for some reason. I think I'll definitely try this in a next game too, it will be interesting to see how people react to it too, when they actually know or suspect that I actually do this stuff. Like what would you do to a guy who doesn't know his role? Policy lynch him? As town you'd think "ok this guy is definitely helping town with scumhunting here, but it obviously depends on how good he is at it, and then he could be still scum 25% of the time, do I wait and someone cop-check hims later or what?" Many options. As scum you'd think "ok, I know definitely this guys is town. Do we get rid of him and slowly push a policy lynch on him, would that not make us suspicious? Is he any good as town? Should we let him live and push a lynch later?" or they go "ok this guy is stupid, he is scum, but doesn't come here, we have to decide what we do with him, not that he busses us without knowing, is he smart enough to scumread us?" I could go on with this but it's just so many things. I was actually intending to continue playing in the dark. But the whole milo thing and that I basically read almost everyone town kinda makes think I might be scum here, and so it was.^^ | ||
Damdred
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Milo is usually pretty active idk what was up with that weird. | ||
Rels
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On July 21 2015 21:52 plotspot wrote: It's actually 3.^^ Not sure, it's interesting. Presume I play blind and I play it perfectly, than it will come down to me scumreading myself if I was scum, because of PoE right? This game I really had most towns as town reads, maybe not Kelsier and ff because they were a bit strange. Bur for example if I was scum and actually lynched another scum on D1, then find out about it N1, I basically have some town creds. If I had enough guts to point fingers and townies with actually another partner still alive and supporting, I think it's still no problem. If I die as scum on D1 with that sort of play, the benefit would be that there is no connection established between me and my other scum mates. Also this means my town-game sucked and I got lynched D1. Fine too. Improve next time. The thing is 75% of the time I should roll as town and whether I play a towngame as town or not knowing my role, it should be the same. 25% when I roll scum, the situation is still not lost as I decribed above, there are advantages and disadvantages, it totally depends on the scumteam too, like you see in this situation. I'm not sure whether they were disheartened or were simply absent for some reason. I think I'll definitely try this in a next game too, it will be interesting to see how people react to it too, when they actually know or suspect that I actually do this stuff. Like what would you do to a guy who doesn't know his role? Policy lynch him? As town you'd think "ok this guy is definitely helping town with scumhunting here, but it obviously depends on how good he is at it, and then he could be still scum 25% of the time, do I wait and someone cop-check hims later or what?" Many options. As scum you'd think "ok, I know definitely this guys is town. Do we get rid of him and slowly push a policy lynch on him, would that not make us suspicious? Is he any good as town? Should we let him live and push a lynch later?" or they go "ok this guy is stupid, he is scum, but doesn't come here, we have to decide what we do with him, not that he busses us without knowing, is he smart enough to scumread us?" I could go on with this but it's just so many things. I was actually intending to continue playing in the dark. But the whole milo thing and that I basically read almost everyone town kinda makes think I might be scum here, and so it was.^^ LOL can imagine your feeling EOD1 "fuck I must be scum right ?" It seems like a super interesting experience I wanna try one day. But sorry, if I know you're doing this in a game I'm in, I will be part of the policy lynch. (= | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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plotspot
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On July 21 2015 21:41 Damdred wrote: Also yeah you didn't play horrible plot it basically came down to there weren't enough scummy people for you to get enough ml. Its no fault of your own, it was the reaction that got it for me though on the red check yeah that's the main point, not enought scummy people. But I really think Kel could still be cop here, he got his reactions regardless and established so many people town. On July 21 2015 21:55 Damdred wrote: I think you will find that 9/10 people will policy lynch you for not reading your role pm, it was a thing awhile ago and I think if people know/find out you will get lynched d1 regardless. It makes you unreadable to an extent but meh Milo is usually pretty active idk what was up with that weird. ok, I kinda understand that. The whole uncertainty is something nobody especially a townie can bear for very long am I right? So they just kill to have the certainty, otherwise there is always this guy floating around, which you cannot absoluetely town or scumread for ANY reason. I think it really gets on their nerves. I thought it was the same for the Onegu redcheck, if you think about it for a while even as town, it makes no sense like geripts points it town. Let's assume you come to the conclusion that Onegu is town, you lynched another person and the game doesn't end. You still have this redcheck piercing your eyes the whole time. ^^ | ||
plotspot
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On July 21 2015 22:02 Rels wrote: BTW you were vanilla goon too ? geript was right I suppose! nah you'll see why I believe Kels is cop.^^ | ||
Rels
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I suppose that reduces the possibility to GF or framer. | ||
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plotspot
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On July 21 2015 22:17 KelsierSC wrote: also my fake claim led to a concede, clearly best strat NA, will do it every game from now on I think you were townie enough to do it. | ||
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Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 21 2015 22:27 plotspot wrote: lol Rels, you're actually not supposed to enter the thread like this. It could be a fake-concede.^^ Yeah maybe you're still not sure if you're mafia ? So you Schrodinger-conceding (= | ||
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Holyflare
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obs qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/k8d26kXnvWdqT mafia qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/9HPy4gCUjFSnp sorry that this game ended so quickly guys, meh, gg! | ||
Clarity_nl
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Damdred
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VayneAuthority
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KelsierSC
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didn't play well but rest of town played great | ||
yamato77
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raynpelikoneet
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On July 20 2015 10:01 yamato77 wrote: You are all retarded Don't pat yourselves on the back just because you lynched a mafia today yamato i am interested in why would you ever say something like this as town? I have never seen anyone do this kinda stuff because it literally makes no sense at all. Well okay i once saw Oats do this but hey he is Oats.. | ||
yamato77
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On July 22 2015 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato i am interested in why would you ever say something like this as town? I have never seen anyone do this kinda stuff because it literally makes no sense at all. Well okay i once saw Oats do this but hey he is Oats.. because you're all calling me mafia for not voting him when he made 4 posts idiots | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland42140 Posts
On July 22 2015 01:40 yamato77 wrote: because you're all calling me mafia for not voting him when he made 4 posts idiots I was never calling you mafia until you made that garbage post. and i wouldn't. | ||
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yamato77
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On July 22 2015 02:00 Damdred wrote: I never called you mafia though I did waver for a second on maybe shooting idk mainly geript/kels obviously I was on tilt | ||
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plotspot
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KelsierSC
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On July 22 2015 03:31 Holyflare wrote: basically because i got tired of twat faces claiming blues so i eliminated all of them and if there were no gf you'd probably figure that out quite quickly and just potentially win from being an un-cc'd blue so it makes it more risky on your end wow | ||
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geript
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On July 21 2015 07:07 yamato77 wrote: just concede geript your teammates sucked RIP your chances of winning Quoted for truth | ||
plotspot
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On July 22 2015 03:31 Holyflare wrote: basically because i got tired of twat faces claiming blues so i eliminated all of them and if there were no gf you'd probably figure that out quite quickly and just potentially win from being an un-cc'd blue so it makes it more risky on your end I think I should have claimed a blue role, then shoot myself at night to be conform with claimed blues being shot at night. Would have made a for a slightly more entertaining end.^^ | ||
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VayneAuthority
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no one knows which cop they are if that wasnt clear | ||
Holyflare
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what a legitimately great setup that sounds incredibly great omg so great | ||
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Damdred
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I think Jonny lynch was a really good lynch as town decided to lynch him instead of super active geript, and what I thought was town Yamato. After that its sorta a wash as Milo didn't try but plot gave himself away. ty for the game hf | ||
plotspot
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On July 22 2015 04:15 VayneAuthority wrote: all blue games are my favorite. one of my personal favorite setups is 4 cops and a mafia, with one cop being naive (always green), one cop paranoid (always red), insane cop (reverse read), normal cop. no one knows which cop they are if that wasnt clear so it's only 5 players? expand it to 12 of those cops plus 3 mafia and I'd be interested in hosting it. Hmm let's see but it should become pretty clear that the only useful cops will be the insane and normal cop, but you'd have to find them, yea it's quite intriguing, especially if a cop lies about his checks.^^ | ||
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plotspot
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On July 22 2015 04:25 Damdred wrote: I didn't mind the setup tbh hf had talked about doing it before though all millers 1 cop 3 godfathers would of been hilarious to. Don't use that one though I think Jonny lynch was a really good lynch as town decided to lynch him instead of super active geript, and what I thought was town Yamato. After that its sorta a wash as Milo didn't try but plot gave himself away. ty for the game hf that's something I didn't understand, why so quick to jump on the redcheck, was it a normal expression or did your game experiences/senses tell you to vote the redcheck right now or it will become problematic later, you had all day. I kinda get that late votes are never good. You either waste them like I did or you basically just jump on a wagon and your vote still has no value as to your alignment. It also appears you haven't figured things out fast enough and are actually not convinced of your vote. Late votes never look good, if they are not the decisive vote, or is there any contrary example? | ||
yamato77
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On July 22 2015 04:29 plotspot wrote: so it's only 5 players? expand it to 12 of those cops plus 3 mafia and I'd be interested in hosting it. Hmm let's see but it should become pretty clear that the only useful cops will be the insane and normal cop, but you'd have to find them, yea it's quite intriguing, especially if a cop lies about his checks.^^ lol we played that in voice and it created much cancer On July 22 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote: what a legitimately great setup that sounds incredibly great omg so great ^this salty guy was the only mafia to attempt a fakeclaim and he got owned rofl | ||
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Rels
France13466 Posts
On July 22 2015 04:45 Fecalfeast wrote: See damdred, 2 mafia down before night 2 means the game usually just works it self out Lol that made me laugh. (= Thanks HF for hosting and for the incredible flavor! | ||
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Holyflare
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On July 22 2015 05:21 Rels wrote: Lol that made me laugh. (= Thanks HF for hosting and for the incredible flavor! haha after i saw the mafia qt had like 1 post i knew this game would end in like 1 night and didn't write anything | ||
Rels
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On July 22 2015 05:26 Holyflare wrote: haha after i saw the mafia qt had like 1 post i knew this game would end in like 1 night and didn't write anything Héhé But really the pictures in the OP were super nice | ||
geript
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On July 22 2015 05:23 Damdred wrote: You always lynch the red check no matter what, its a hard lesson to learn sometimes you just do ot though if its a miller oh well or if mafia framer got lucky No that's not true. You lynch the red check in 90% of situations. But anyone with half a brain saw that there wasn't a redcheck for obvious reasons. I was planning on red checking Yam but once the flip came, there literally wasn't a point. | ||
Onegu
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On July 05 2015 14:07 Onegu wrote: Still only VTs... | ||
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