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I missed you moosy, you better not bail on me this game <3. Now where the fuck is batman... | ||
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Give me a blue role LS, that's fun! | ||
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On July 24 2015 01:44 Half the Sky wrote: Pretty nice seeing all new blood coming in our doors. Who is going to conduct the classic TL initiation for the first timers? *gathers a bag of nooses* Hmmmm, looks like it's just Barakos and Mage...but still, who says we can't have a little bit of pre-game fun Do you want to be my coach hts? I need tips on how to be towny. | ||
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On July 24 2015 04:53 n00bKing wrote: The snow glows white on the mountain tonight, not a footprint to be seen... Scumies are red PRs are blue I'm 3rd party and I'm hunting you Om nom nom | ||
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On July 24 2015 06:15 LightningStrike wrote: Okay guys I going to start rnging the stuff so don't post until I put the Day 1 post up please! <3 gl everyone | ||
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No restrictions or leashes on me this game. The air smells so good when you can take the time to actually stop and enjoy the scene. No looking behind your shoulders, no worries of scrutiny. The stars have smiled upon me and blessed me as VT. Welcome to TL mafia. | ||
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I can finally let my emotions free, because I know I'm honest. You should too. Trust in me, and I will trust in you. When you close your eyes, your mind is set free. | ||
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On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote: RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. I look back at the times when i thought scum was an exciting role, sigh... Life taught me a hard lesson indeed. Twice I rolled scum, twice too many. I will share this lesson with you, so your false hopes won't blossom: Being scum sucks. | ||
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On July 24 2015 07:11 Barakos wrote: Hi guys! Will be here, lurking aroung and posting in some hours... playing hero siege with a friend atm. Ah x-hero siege, nostalgia from years past. Warcraft 3 is the king of custom maps ANC shall forever remain so. I wish you the best of luck and await your company in the future soon to pass. | ||
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Mafia do not attempt to take my life, for I am naught but a townie in the shadows. In b4 finnski claims cop. | ||
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Peace has settled in me and is radiating through my body. Allow me to enjoy my few hours of VT sweetness before the labour begins. | ||
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On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. That I will not do unless you bring it upon yourself. Misfortune shall not befall those who enter my town circle. All you have to do is but ask with sincerity and you shall be rewarded. | ||
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On July 24 2015 07:25 n00bKing wrote: ##Vote: ruXxar There ya go. How about now? :D I sense no Ill intentions in you. Reach for the light and the truth shall be revealed. | ||
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On July 24 2015 07:29 n00bKing wrote: Meh, I don't get people's reluctance to play as Scum. Granted, this is only my third game here, but I think it'll be exciting, whenever I finally get a chance to kill some of you people. Blue role? Sure, cool, I'll take that. But I'd rather be Scum than VT (maybe I'll feel differently once it actually happens.) Ah Blissful ignorance, in time you willn learn the misery of playing scum. | ||
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On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote: Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. | ||
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On July 24 2015 07:36 n00bKing wrote: I'll keep posting this at the start of each game, until people actually start following it. From the General Guide on how to play: Not totally sure that ruXxar is in violation yet. But...it kinda seems like it. He knows that some of us have seen him play as both allegiances already, so I'm not a fan of him making this wild change in his posting style. It could serve as a decent smokescreen. Ah, but my goal is clear and simple. Discussion must flow for alignments to be revealed. When making unorthodox comments you gain traction and arouse thoughts. Am I scum, am I town? As you judge me, I judge you. A dead thread benefits no one. Let your thoughts flow unfiltered and you have nothing to fear. | ||
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On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote: I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? I first came in touch with mafia on the TI mango stream. Since then I was hooked. I've spectated and played video mafia, but my experience is not vast. This is my 4th mafia game in these forums, and I feel better with each game. It's not that I'm improving as a player, but that I gain familiarity with the players. In a mafia game of strangers you are but a lonely island. In company of friends, you feel at home. | ||
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On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote: It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? A read from a sentence? What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon? The timing, his motivation, his meta? A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for. I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors. The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life. I read you clear as a book. Your alignment is town. | ||
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On July 24 2015 07:59 disformation wrote: Eh, I'd say it is a bit of both. I like to learn from mistakes. But on the other hand it really feels nice that after only playing 2 games, shadowing in 3 games and reading a few old games I "know" 8/13 players in this game. Also if you are able to keep this style up all game I will be super impressed. =D Then I will be honored to be in your company. Draw your pitch fork and stand by my side. Together we will banish the non-believers known as scum. Do not betray me or your faith will be sealed. Stay true to the one belief you must keep in your heart and repeat this mantra in the darkest hours: I am town. | ||
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You have not been blessed with the relief of rolling VT after over a month of playing as scum. Once you do, you will know that you do not choose your style, the style chooses you. | ||
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The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards. Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach. Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself. You only get as much out of the game as you put into it. I need to engage in my own way. Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered. My #1 goal is to have fun. In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless. Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole. | ||
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On July 24 2015 08:34 disformation wrote: Haven't even bothered to figure out where I put my pitchfork yet. But after shadowing a bunch of games where town lost, I believe a bit of scepticism to be very healthy. Do I smell a thinly veiled threat? Also currently skimming through your Himalayas for the posts I remember disliking. And I have to say that your play was pretty damn good. Like your interactions with HF for example. There is only a threat if you perceive there to be one. If your soul is pure you have nothing to fear. My himalaya game taught me the importance of consistency, direction, sticking to your story. In a moment of weakness and misjudgement I bound myself to the thought that Losing HF was disastrous.. In the process I lost my genuineness that innocent and honest town spirit, on the warpath to lynch scum. My motivations were laid bare and my association with HF made obvious as remarked by fidei in the obs qt. It's a miracle that we won, and by no effort of my own. If there is one lesson you need to learn if you want to be town read it's to stick to your convictions. The moment you flip flop your town cred sinks to the ocean floor. | ||
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On July 24 2015 08:53 n00bKing wrote: False. Barakos and rayn each made a throwaway post after the Day started. If we decide to "lynch all liars" we can start with you! \o/ Ah noob, always so edgy, so stiff. I'm trying to touch you but my hands are bleeding as your body is covered in tiny spikes. | ||
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On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote: Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! Mm, astute observations my friend. Effort is evident, yet conclusions are fraudulent. -nocturne read: wrong conclusion. -noob king read: terrible reason. -disformation: wrong conclusion How many games have you played of mafia? | ||
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On July 24 2015 09:09 Breshke wrote: Ruxxar is noobking town or mafia? His meta waves are a-changing. On the scale between town and PR he lies. | ||
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'tis a good lesson for all who want to be town-read, town and mafia alike. | ||
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On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote: Alright here I go. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler + On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote: He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote: Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote: Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote: I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote: It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage @NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread. Ah, the pre-planned accusation. Classic mafia style. #self-meta. Your prepared argument is non-sense. How are they prepared when #2 and #3 are based on events that happened after the game started? | ||
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On July 24 2015 18:46 Rels wrote: No you don't get it. I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started. I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt. The evidence that he thought long and hard before posting it is the fact that there are 3 different subjects in the post. Then, I'm saying that the fact that he is not free of mind posting his first post may indicate he's mafia. I disagree. Weak argument. His later posts shows he's not afraid to ask questions and share of himself. | ||
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It is for all who know the inside joke. In particular I want to tell mafia that I am an easy lynch, leave me alive and try to push me. Give me action, I want to see your teeth. | ||
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On July 24 2015 21:09 Rels wrote: OK ruxxar. So this line: has two purposes: - joke for those who knows it - reaction test for mafia Am I correct ? And is this other line from the same post also an inside joke I'm not part of ? Indeed, it's from another voice mafia game. | ||
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On July 24 2015 21:55 Rels wrote: OK that makes little sense to me that you have two separates explanations for a sentence containing 7 words. Words are immaterial, they are but a poor representation of the meanings we try to convey or conceal. For those not in the know, it's an excellent reason to attack me. I welcome you to it. | ||
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On July 24 2015 22:11 Damdred wrote: Why he liked my post about things, I think he did roughly ? | ||
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What is this soul-read you have on me? WIth perfect information comes the ease of covering your lies in pretty words. | ||
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On July 24 2015 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote: I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business. Hate is such a strong word. Do not let emotions control you, it leads to the bridge of bad decisions. My methods have created very solid results, no scum slips necessary. Simple observation of people's natural tendencies and reactions is all that is required. | ||
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On July 24 2015 22:58 NocturneMage wrote: I'm looking through ruXxar's posts and just ignoring his poetry for now. The poetry alone makes him high, not mafia. My inclination to read him null or slight mafia at best comes from his hesitation in reading noobking and even after later pages he talks to noob but doesn't have a read on him. I can't see a reason for that. He calls him edgy and stiff and this is in spite of saying he's going to engage in his own way. He doesn't seem to be committing to an actual read on n00bking, and mafia need to make up reads, so this appears to me he's trying to do something like that. The response to Breshke makes no sense...."between town and PR" I'm guessing that means power role? If so, why are you suggesting who might be a power role in the open? The inclination to call him town also makes no sense when you are calling him edgy and stiff, terms that might indicate he's not comfortable and therefore mafia. n00bking in his natural incarnation is a shiny dodacahedron. Warmth, amicable talk and jesterly gestures is not his pure town suit. What exactly has changed is yet unbeknownst to me. | ||
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On July 24 2015 23:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads, and start to help town. Don't you realize? No one is taking your poetry spam seriously anymore and it's already lost its desired effect. So hurry up and do something productive. Town: Disformation. Rels. | ||
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On July 24 2015 23:30 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thank you. Mafia reads and neutral reads? Anyone in particular you'd like to point out? Damdred: - don't like opening post, forced. - tone read on me, same read he had last game when he was mafia, too certain. Breshke: - Too many words, too emotional, overly-defensive. Moosy: - Explanation of my meta is contrived. - Says my town tone is glaringly obvious yet goes on to say he will suspect me hard. | ||
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Disformation - Ease of flow in his conversation. Straight to the point, no discernable scum motives. No inhibitions or veiling of his thoughts. Responds well to suspicion. Rels - Hungry for information. Asks questions not to appear interested, but because he actually wants to know the answers. Follows up and insists on getting answers if people ignore him. Has made decent thoughts around the game, thinks outside the box and points out original content. Natural and genuine. Just like that talk we had in our last game when I was telling you how I was thinking about mafia at work and at night. | ||
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On July 25 2015 00:08 NocturneMage wrote: ruxxar are you saying this is forced or the next post? I disagreed with frequency alone being a town indicator becauce it can be both ways but why are you saying he's too certain? Why couldn't this just be confidence? He's saying obviously, then he says "subject to change" then he's saying "general direction". The explanation flows so I don't know where you mean too certain. First post. Suspicious because he used the same read on me last game when we were both mafia. "Ruxxar so carefree and speaks his mind" etc. Rest of his content is ok. | ||
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To breshke: Have you played with ruXxar before? When he's townie he posts a lot of filler posts although his townie tone is glaringly obvious. He also never makes firm cases and mostly sheeps cases although he sometimes points out things no one else noticed. So it's not uncommon for him to not post alignments and just create conversation with others. It's mostly up to us to start making reads based off the conversation he starts. So he never really makes alignment reads. And anyway, even if you expected him to give his alignment reads (which isn't what he really does) To be brutally honest, I can honestly see ruXxar not getting any reads off of his poetry spam To me: I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business. Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads Lynch with fire. | ||
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On July 25 2015 00:32 Rels wrote: I don't see any arguments in this "lynch-with-fire" case. Complete change in attitude about my play. To breshke: "Stop attacking ruxxar for not giving reads, he doesn't do that, it's our job to do that, it's his normal town meta.". To me: "You idiot, start making some reads" | ||
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You keep dodging rels question. I want an answer: On July 24 2015 22:40 MoosyDoosy wrote: Because I'm Mafia buddy. What other reason could there be? ~ ~ ~ | ||
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On July 25 2015 00:52 Damdred wrote: This is a dumb thing. But it makes you more town What do you think of moosy damdy? | ||
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On July 24 2015 19:41 Tictock wrote: Drew a few cards for some of ya. I would appreciate it if you could take a look at your card and give me your impression of it. People chosen by some means. n00b - 4 of Wands - Completion + Show Spoiler + rayn - 4 of Cups - Luxury + Show Spoiler + Moosy - Knight of Swords + Show Spoiler + ruXx - Ace of Disks + Show Spoiler + Noc -7 of Wands - Valor + Show Spoiler + Flex - Kight of Cups + Show Spoiler + *Ruxx sits a while in silence and regards the cards each in turn slowly, studying the intricate decorations and inscriptions, the art whisked out by the tides of time.He looks back up and makes eye eye contact with Ticktock. A silence descends upon the world and all outside noise fades away. Keeping the gaze fixated Ruxx rummages his pockets and drags out a curled 5$ note. He straightens it carefully before laying it down on the table in plain sight. - I don't speak tarot, give me the human readable explanation* | ||
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On July 25 2015 01:24 MoosyDoosy wrote: Lol you want my honest expectations of ruXxar? I think he's a shit player who can't give reads and who makes shitty arguments like this. He tunnels hard as hell and generates way too much spam for him to be worth as a townie. That's my honest interpretation of ruXxar. HOWEVER even if he's a shit player the least he can do since he signed up is try and participate rather than spam useless poetry. Which is why I've been pulling his teeth and trying to get him to fucking participate although I doubt he's going to provide anything useful anyway. As for your argument LOL. The reason why I'm going to take particular care in looking at your posts is because I hold a grudge over your worthless play in our first newbie game together. That's what I mean when I say I will "suspect you hard". It's not that I think that you're Mafia but that I'm going to make sure that if you are Mafia that I'll catch it and make sure you die. Want me to more brutally honest or does this suffice? Typical mafia play, attack my person and character in an attempt to diminish the validity of my opinion. On July 25 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: Sure I'll give you an answer. I read you as slight town lean because you're being as useless as the other newbie game we were in where you were townie. Wrong question. I want you to answer this: On July 24 2015 18:20 Rels wrote: What the fuck moosy I don't understand you. Breshke's question was very clear and you dodged it multiple times + you didn't even answer it. OK I don't understand the Breshke-moosy stuff from moosy's perspective, so I'm going to be super clear, one step at a time. Let's begin with the beginning. What do you mean with "You might be onto something here Damdred" ? | ||
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On July 25 2015 01:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: Can I just point out this shitty play for you all? If we're trying to create a good town atmosphere you're supposed to accept what people say and bounce thoughts off of others to create a productive atmosphere. Statements like these just brushes other's thoughts away creating a shitty atmosphere. smh ruXxar. Alright I'm done with bashing him for now. On July 25 2015 01:33 ruXxar wrote: Typical mafia play, attack my person and character in an attempt to diminish the validity of my opinion. So you're saying this statement is causing is causing worse town atmosphere than this? On July 25 2015 01:24 MoosyDoosy wrote: even if he's a shit player the least he can do since he signed up is try and participate rather than spam useless poetry. Which is why I've been pulling his teeth and trying to get him to fucking participate although I doubt he's going to provide anything useful anyway. As for your argument LOL. The reason why I'm going to take particular care in looking at your posts is because I hold a grudge over your worthless play in our first newbie game together. On July 25 2015 01:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: Lol yeah you're shit. You ask for my honest opinion of you then spurn it when you dislike what you hear. Give me more bias buddy. Please disillusion yourself more.. The more you talk the more convinced I am that you are mafia. | ||
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On July 25 2015 01:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm not afraid to respond in the same way that you've responded to me bb. If things like these make you think I'm Mafia that just goes further to show you're a shitty player. These things just show how much I dislike you and go in no way to show that I'm Mafia. Continue to build your tunnel tho. It's fun to see you flailing and it just goes to prove how useless you are. I'm glad you find pleasure in these personal attacks. I'm sorry to say that it's not an effective way to gain town-cred. You should try a different approach next mafia game. | ||
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On July 25 2015 02:04 Rels wrote: ruxxar why are you still attacking moosy when the "change in attitude" thing is not true ? Look here: On July 24 2015 12:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: Either way, I think we can both agree that we'll have to see how ruXxar acts from here on out and judge from there. Which will be easy because I'll be suspecting him hard if he doesn't start posting a shit ton like he normally does. And I'm going to take an especially hard look at him for reasons I stated before. Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads He says he is going to suspect me if I don't spam. And when I spam he says "stop spamming"? | ||
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On July 25 2015 02:20 Rels wrote: First, he's not suspecting you. Second, I think what he's saying is "post more useful stuff". Doesn't matter that he's not suspecting me. The point is that when I perform the actions that are supposed to make me towny in his eyes his reaction is "why the fuck are you doing this" instead of "oh that's the town ruxx I know". What he wants to say doesn't help the fact that he contradicted himself 100% in the way he interacted with breshke and the way he interacted with me. | ||
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Do something. Give me input on stuff. I know you, you know me. If you are mafia just tell me right now so I don't have to townread you. | ||
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Yet I can't find a single one of your reads besides me. When are you going to contribute this game hmm? What are your reads? | ||
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You had interaction with me in what game? | ||
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On July 25 2015 02:54 disformation wrote: Hm. Might have made my post a bit unclear. Might reformat. I was "sorta involved" in two games with you. (shadowed a player in two games) The one I was in a game with and probably didn't have much interaction with is barakos. Alright, coolio. For what it's worth I think you're town. | ||
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Where did he give his reads? | ||
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On July 25 2015 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you guys think Barakos is really reaction testing people when he specifically points a finger on me, when my reaction is to vote for him he has nothing to say about it? I honeslty thought he was just aping my reason for doing doing poetry. | ||
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Quotes please. | ||
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I want an explicit list of reads. | ||
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On July 25 2015 03:24 Tictock wrote: Dis you need to roll something other than town, just for varieties sake. Still nice to see you out of the shadows ^.^ Since you asked... and yes Hanged Man would be ironic... + Show Spoiler + This card can be read either as a symbol of a new beginning or as a strong read into a persons character (strong because it is a powerful card). Some interesting lines I came across that describe the personality portrayed by the Princess of Disks a quiet, reserved person - sometimes shy can easily be a little too dependent from outside influences but nevertheless being unable to really adapt to others. practical and capable, though rarely seeking the limelight deals badly with conflict Ticy tocky, can you translate your other reads? ^^ | ||
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On July 25 2015 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can do a multi-quote post if this is that hard to understand but i'd rather not waste time on that. I thought that I remember at one point TL had a multiquote option. Is that my mind playing tricks with me? | ||
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On July 25 2015 03:40 Tictock wrote: By the way, I'm pretty certain at least 2 of the people i gave cards to here are mafia... Also it is of note that I later drew a Card for Sulf... he also received a 4 of Cups just like ryan. What makes you say that, down to earth explanations only pls. | ||
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On July 25 2015 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: of course i am not mafia. why would you think so? I don't think so yet, I'm asking you. PS: where is the voting thread I can't find it. | ||
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On July 25 2015 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: you vote in this thread. why do you ask me if you do not think i am mafia? I have to make sure. You're a sneaky guy. | ||
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On July 25 2015 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am actually pretty awful in forum mafia as scum because i can't make myself care enough. I got the impression you're good at mafia from our voice mafia games o well. | ||
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On July 25 2015 03:54 Tictock wrote: Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen ... We have hardly used up even half our day! There is still yet some time to play... So much needless aggression, you realize you are more likely to shove a brother than an enemy? You all scream for a feast for the mind, yet have spent most of your time fighting over scraps... zzzz, cut the crapperonies. GIve us some reads in plain text. | ||
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Aww, I did not want to ruin your RP, however tarot cards don't mean anything anyway if you just draw the cards at random. If you actually picked the cards on your own and gave an explanation for what they meant I would be fine with it. | ||
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On July 25 2015 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: ruXxar do you believe i am: 1) right in that Barakos is mafia 2) wrong on Barakos being mafia 3) mafia pushing a townie 4) mafia bussing with reasoning please Reasonings: 100% mafia doesn't bus this early on a newbie for his first reads post. Dumbest play of the year if you are mafia. I didnt like barakos post at all. His reads were all wrong. I don't think he's mafia though. He linked his own games and exposed his meta for all to see. Mafia doesn't do that, they want to hide information about themselves, especially newbies. I go for option #2. | ||
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On July 24 2015 22:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh yeah breshke... i forgot about breshke. FYI i wanna hear moose answer damdred before elaborating further. Rayn give me juicy info desu. | ||
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On July 25 2015 04:23 n00bKing wrote: I think I may be able to clear up this misunderstanding between Rels and ruXxar. When ruXxar says "it's from another voice mafia game" he could be talking about the "finnski claims cop" line, instead of still talking about the Yakuza claim. What's your opinion on moosy? What do you think about my evaluation of you being more warm and jokey than usual? | ||
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On July 25 2015 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: First sentence: What were his alignments in those games? Second: Why not? He was town in both. ? The less attention they bring to evidence that show discrepancies between their current play as mafia and their play as town the better. | ||
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On July 25 2015 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: So, how do you compare his play this game to his mafia play? Why again it's a "thing mafia would never say"? You have nothing to actually compare. You can just say "same/different". And it doesn't mean anything as you can't say "different as in way of _______ from his towngames compared to his scumgames (or vice versa)". moot argument. zzz i hate comparing meta so I'm not going to do it. It's the action itself that is towny, he opens himself to scrutiny. | ||
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On July 25 2015 04:47 n00bKing wrote: ...weren't you scum in that game too, though? If you're Town this game, then being suspicious of him because he reads you the same way he did when you were both scum is...curious. How so? It's the lazy man approach. Damdred thinks like this: "Fuck I am scum again, boring shit" "Ruxx said a lot of crap" "I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI" "I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal" Or he doesn't. I'll be damded If I know what damdred thinks half the time. | ||
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On July 25 2015 04:46 Tictock wrote: The point of tarot is not always what the card "means" but rather what the card "implies". The difference is that one is a wrote definition whereas the other is a subjective interpretation. In other words, we can all use google to see what the card "means" but what I was interested was in what the card implies to you. Reactions to me asking you to read the card instead of the card itself are also valid ^.^ Possible. I realize full well what I am doing. Did you draw the cards at random or did you pick them yourself? | ||
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Otherwise I think rayn is town. | ||
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On July 25 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: you can argue that on N1. Or i can argue you are scum if Barakos flips mafia. hint: take a stance. if you think Barakos is town push another lynch then, because i am pushing a mislynch and if you are town you do not want to mislynch. Don't you worry, moosy is my #1 mafia all day every day. | ||
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On July 25 2015 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: how about you convince the rest of us to vote for him them? and tell me how my case is bad. right now you only have dumb reasons (sorry if i am being rude here) to think my case is bad. or rather, you haven't even commented on my case in any way, you just bring up reasons why Barakos COULD be town instead of arguing why the scummy stuff is not scummy. I didn't say your case is bad, I haven't evaluated it yet. And I don't like barakos posts at all tbh. I wouldn't be sad if he got lynched, but I think he's also an easy target if he's town. I'll give you input on barakos when I've read your case. | ||
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On July 25 2015 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: how about you convince the rest of us to vote for him them? and tell me how my case is bad. right now you only have dumb reasons (sorry if i am being rude here) to think my case is bad. or rather, you haven't even commented on my case in any way, you just bring up reasons why Barakos COULD be town instead of arguing why the scummy stuff is not scummy. Why moosy is scum: On July 25 2015 00:27 ruXxar wrote: Don't like moosy at all: To breshke: To me: Lynch with fire. | ||
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It's like he already knew I was town and needed to find some nice words to make it seem plausible. Read these 2 posts he made to breshke about my town meta: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24594514 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24594619 | ||
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On July 25 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: why are you even talking to me about this right now? Like you LITERALLY said "only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch". go read then come back and do not derail the thread with useless shit please. say things when you have things to say. you havent even read what i have to say yet you invent a narrative i could be scum for something you don't even know!?!?!? why? Because it's logic. What you say is not as important as what you do. Putting things in context it's plausible that mafia want to push barakos for his bad post. It's also possible that mafia aren't touching barakos with a 10 feet pole to draw suspicion to him and are trying to subtly defend him. wow logic *mindexplosion.gif* | ||
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On July 25 2015 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have a really hard time seeing why he is mafia based on that. "ruxx does not give reads as town" != "i can't ever ask ruxx to give reads" why does it make him mafia to be exact? The issue is he tells breshke of all the expectations he has for me as town, and when I do all these "towny" things his reaction is "wtf" instead of "oh yeah that's town ruxx" | ||
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On July 25 2015 05:16 Damdred wrote: Please don't write a pointless narrative that has no basis in fact. I actually love rolling scum and I never really get caught in tmi. Anyway you going to have a really hard time in big boy games if this is what you focus on when you are town. I appreciate you looking out for me damdred. It's not like we just played 2 big games in a row. | ||
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Moosy Barakos + lurkers unless they show up: Sulfurus Flexes. Especially sulfurus. This is what, your 3rd or 4th game? Like step it up man. I'm going to hold you to a higher standard this game. No silk gloves. | ||
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On July 25 2015 06:05 n00bKing wrote: I guess it makes more sense as a "lazy man approach" than anything else. But don't you think he would remember that you were teammates together in that game? And that he might expect you to notice that he's giving the same player the same type of read, as he did when he was Scum? I guess that could be a WIFOM play, but I don't know that he would try to WIFOM you when you're relatively new. I don't have a strong scum read on damdred by any means. He's showing tendencies if his town play with hard rebuttals like in himalaya. When damdred is mafia he has a more mellow and apathic approach to the game. The fact this damdred is showing anger is a strong town tell for damdred IMO. To damdred: welcome to my town list. | ||
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On July 25 2015 05:16 Damdred wrote: Please don't write a pointless narrative that has no basis in fact. I actually love rolling scum and I never really get caught in tmi. Anyway you going to have a really hard time in big boy games if this is what you focus on when you are town. This post is what I call a display of negative emotions. He did not do that once in our last game as scum from what I recall. | ||
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On July 25 2015 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: what do i post as the first post of the game that is not a throwaway post in your opinion? A post that doesn't signal "I'm not gonna do shit this cycle?" | ||
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On July 25 2015 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: well am i "not gonna do shit this cycle"? Your first post said that loud and clear, yes. | ||
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On July 25 2015 06:23 n00bKing wrote: 1) What read do you mean? 2) I completely agree. 3) Come on, man. You mentioned earlier that Barakos might have been "buddying" with that comment. But he's not, it's obviously just a joke. He's not actually trying to give me town credit for knowing how to count. How could you think that? I've seen players try to buddy up to me before (or "pocket" me, as it seems to be called around here), and I'm definitely wary of it. But this is not an instance of that. For him to name me top town for knowing how to count is the same as if he named rayn top town for having the most letters in his screen name. Pay attention. For what it's worth I 100% agree with disformation nation here. Barakos read on n00b was cheap as they go, and I did not get the impression it was a joke at all. Also Barakos reads on dis formation are the worst reads in the history of ever. How anyone can not read disformation town here is beyond my ability of comprehension. | ||
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On July 25 2015 06:30 Damdred wrote: Tt is tick tock. Rels and I had strange interactions where he said I was scummy for influencing him to vote when he voted before I even made the post and then tried to wiggle out of it. Idk I haven't played much attention to mages here, I probably should read him but I think Barak is the best lynch today. And I was pretty sure you were town early and you took the lead no reason for,me to fight and argue with you when we want the same thing here. Wth is this mellow tone bullshit. Right now I see people consolidating on Barakos and rels. N00b and damdred are you mafia together or what? | ||
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Over my dead body. If you want to lynch rels then lynch me first. That's all I got to say. | ||
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On July 25 2015 06:42 Damdred wrote: Ruxxor you just town read me and now say I'm scum what are you doing I'm saying your tone is flip flopping all over the place. Angry damdred = town. Mellow damdred = scum. And that rels lynch is never happening. Just forget about it. | ||
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On July 25 2015 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean, and this is to ruxxar aswell, whatever i do post as my first post (unless claim something), how is that alignment indicative - or how is that not considered anything but a "throwaway post" (which you should not call it because it is just --- a post)? I didn't read any alignment from your first post at all, I just answered your question. | ||
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On July 25 2015 06:46 Damdred wrote: I really don't get the big deal over rayns entry post. Its Nai, he's doing things...so it's dumb and pointless Stop pushing yourself into my scum list damdred. Can you stop making posts in a tone like this. My brain automatically thinks your tone is mafia. | ||
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On July 25 2015 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: calling the first post of the game as throwaway post is fucking retarded. i ma being honest here. it is fucking retarded if you are town. Congratulations on being person 104537 calling me retarded/shit. Do you want my autograph now? | ||
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Yes, I'm the dumbass here for giving my meta read in damdred and calling him out when he's acting scummy. | ||
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On July 25 2015 07:00 Bill Murray wrote: Day 1 Votecount Day 1 ends in 24 hours barakos (3): raynpelikoneet, disinformation, Damdred ruxXar (1): n00bKing MoosyDoosy (1): Ruxxar Not voting(8):Rels, MoosyDoosy, Sulfurus, Barakos, NocturneMage, Flexes, Ticktock, Breshke Barakos is currently set to be lynched! You got until 22:00 GMT (+00:00) to vote! Also you can find the vote count here with a 15 minute delay Here. When did n00b vote for me? Last I remember he voted for rels. | ||
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On July 25 2015 07:02 Damdred wrote: Here's the deal you've played I think maybe 2 games with me one I was scum, one I was town who didn't play n1-d4. Its no offense but your meta read is insanely under developed. Rayn is on the fence on if I'm scummy or not so obviously I'm doing something wrong in the game and that's on me to a degree. But I still think,the meta is wrong I played 3 games with you: newbie, Himalayas and gaiden. I'm going to have to follow my own belief here and right now I feel meta read is super accurate on you. | ||
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On July 25 2015 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is my post more of a throwaway post than these two? ruxxar, noobking. i DO want an answer. Because your post says not gonna do shit this cycle? Mod kill indicates that you're going to be inactive. What up ppl is pinging other people for a response i.e. I want your input. What's so hard to understand. I don't care about your first post in the first place. Go bother someone else like n00bking. | ||
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On July 25 2015 07:26 n00bKing wrote: This is extremely faulty reasoning, if you're a Town player. If you are Town, and if you think Rels is Town, then the only reason for you to not care that I have my vote on him is if you think I am Scum. If you think all 3 of us are Town, you have a responsibility to help me see why Rels is not the right lynch today. Because every Town vote that is on a Town player gives Scum more control over the Noose. My vote being on a Town player would increase the odds of a mislynch, even if Rels is not the target of that mislynch. I am a reasonable, rational person. If you think there are reasons to townread Rels, let's talk about them. This doesn't argue with anything I've said. Correct, my filter offers no reasons why Barakos isn't Mafia. However, my filter DOES offer reasons why Rels IS Mafia. No one can read my posts about Rels and then ask me "How come you're voting Rels over Barakos or Sulfurus?" Your case on rels is based on a faulty premise. He already explained what he meant by prepared statement, yet you get stuck in details if his original accusation instead of evolving reads from the post where he clarifies his post. | ||
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On July 25 2015 07:48 Damdred wrote: He has an easier time giving town reads early generally. This is a correct assessment of my meta so fame. I give more town reads as scum, but my reads are more rigid as town imo. | ||
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On July 25 2015 07:52 Sulfurus wrote: I believe I have 'auto' now since in a 13 player game we get 6 lynches (not counting a mafa nk + vigi) and I found at least 7 town including myself. Here are the towns in order of approximate townyness Towns
And ofcourse lynches in order of aproximate scumyness Lynches
I apologize to disformation for putting your name on the list; I think your probably town but I needed a sixth name. Why is flexes more town than disformation?!! | ||
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On July 25 2015 08:43 Sulfurus wrote: Just look at this post He literally sets himself up to not have to give any reads but gives reads anyways as a new player who, as mafia, has every reason to stay as silent as possible while getting used to the thread and once he did get comfortable he posted this gem Instead of acting out of paranoia of getting scum read he is going out of his way to make his posts as high quality as possible. Now compare this with the way Nocturne has been playing... ??? I asked why he was more town than disformation, not nocturne. | ||
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On July 25 2015 08:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: Yeh cuz u suck. Will continue reading from this post. Looks like a lot of action went down or ruXxar spammed a lot during the time I was away. I'll do the list after I'm finished reading since others besides ruXxar asked for it. On July 25 2015 09:02 MoosyDoosy wrote: LOL like you should be talking ruXxar. All right all right I'll stop bashing the poor kid. Just can't help seeing these little posts. Will finish reading in silence and post afterwards. On July 25 2015 09:31 MoosyDoosy wrote: Okay read through posts. Glad people realize ruXxar is a dumb. But whatever. It looks like the important portion of this day was in the last few pages so I'll read over it, look at filters, and decide which camp to take place in. Moosy dear, you have to stop flailing. You're making a mess of yourself. These continious ad-homs just makes you look bad. You should listen to your scum partners when they tell you to stop. I'm amazed you replied to all my posts, yet haven't posted a single read yet besides me. How about that reads list eh? | ||
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On July 25 2015 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: ruxxar I think you and moosy both need to stop tunneling each other for stupid as fuck reasons. just ignore each other for a while and focus on something else. you are both town anyways. TMI scum slip? | ||
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His meta is completely different from what I remember. Nevermind that his argument about post shape is kinda wonky and original, but I can relate to the fact that it makes sense. I've seen how people post as scum and how people post as town. Last game I was looking over LS meta to see how he played as scum and how he played as town. His scum game was densely packed information, in big block posts. His town games is just light posts with little content and some 1/2 liners. However, the read list is like just all sorts of terrible. I mean, there's no way in hell that list is correct and that he figured out everyone's alignment, like mentioned it just seems like a concoction of town sentiment. I'd say it's a towny effort though. Mafia doesn't make a terrible list like that, mafia picks like 1-3 targets and tries to get them lynched. I'll give him a day pass for now. | ||
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Who's pushing barakos, and who's defending barakos? Like, barakos post was genuinely bad. I can't remember a single person that actually said they liked his post, so one could say that yeah, town picks up on that and calls it bad. It's also a really easy lynch-bait for mafia, so mafia should be all over that post. I'm certain that if barakos gets voted off there are mafia in the vote. Mafia wants to blend in and follow thread sentiment, they don't want to be the first people to stick their heads out, because that will reflect badly on them when their lynch target flips town. If barakos is mafia, do you think mafia busses from day 1? I don't think so, so who's actually trying to defend barakos? Apparantly no-one. And that is what bothers me about this push so far. No one has tried to actually seriously start a train on someone else. It's going to smooth, no one speaking up in defense. If I was to judge the people closest to defending barakos today it would be n00bking, which wasn't really even a defense, he just wanted to lynch him for the right reasons. The longer this goes without any resistance arising makes me think barakos is town regardless of if what he's said is all BS. Either that or his mafia team is a bunch of newbies that are afraid to go against thread sentiment. | ||
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On July 25 2015 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: ruxxar do you seriously believe i am mafia? honest question I don't generally believe in scumslips, but I am curious how you can say with absolute certainty that me and moosy are both town. Not lynching you today regardless. | ||
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On July 25 2015 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: how about you push something then? I already did. I'm fine with either a moosy or barakos lynch today. | ||
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On July 25 2015 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because you are. It is quite obvious. Well said bro, your vote is still on me, and you just camplained about the lynch, so can you now push someone then as you seem to be thinking Barakos is not mafia and this lynch is bad? I didn't spell your name right so the vote doesn't count. And I don't think the lynch is bad, even if he's town and dies it's an interesting observation to see the dynamic around his lynch. I'm not going to defend his posts because there's nothing to defend. I don't like them. I'll wait until a bit later to see if mafia tries some emergency hardcore push to get votes of barakos. | ||
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On July 25 2015 23:01 Rels wrote: Now working! I get your feeling because I had the exact same one in the last game I played (HF game). Turns out the lynch was mafia, but yeah too-easy lynches are weird. See the vote count though; only 5 votes on Barakos now. I think back to our newbie game when we lynched scott. It's like, we went the whole 2 days and no one even tried to start a second train. He just got lynched with all the votes on him and everyone was happy twiddling their thumbs. | ||
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On July 25 2015 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like you are one of the few players i know who just makes 1000x more sense as mafia then they do as town. Himalayas was a game i actually followed from the beginning to the end and when bugs replaced out he was one of my strongest townreads. When you get into the game i was like "yeah this ruxxar dude is definitely mafia because he is making sense but not really saying/doing anything". I also read Gaiden to some extent, and to be honest i thought you were town because from the beginning rsoultin was screaming red to me, apparently i read you town for your bus, as i only read your posts from something like D4 (when you were double bussing). I also think i read a start of some game you were town in and the difference of your town/scum play is like a fucking day and night. Anyways, you aren't making any sense so it probably makes you town. This is why I think moosy is mafia. The way he was so confident brimming with information about my meta when he was talking to breshke sounded to me like someone with perfect information just packing on excuses for why he's right and you're wrong. Like seriously, these 2 early posts by moosy are just so damn weird in my mind. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24594514 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24594619 | ||
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On July 25 2015 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Current Day Votecount barakos (6): raynpelikoneet, disformation, Breshke, Sulfurus, Rels, Damdred (misformated) moosydoosy (1): Tictock rels (1): n00bKing rayn (1): ruXxar so none of my scumreads are on the lynch i am pushing (except for maybe Sulfurus but i am back to thinking he is town). I am fairly certain Flexes is mafia aswell. Another player i think is scum is Tictock. And he is ACTUALLY pushing something else (Moosy). It doesn't make any sense for him to disagree with the case AND to think i am mafia when he does never address my case at all. Also his reasoning for thinking i am mafia is terrible and has no substance. Like 2/4 of the reasons aren't even reasons that can possibly make someone scum. "you post much, therefore you are mafia". Does that seem like a reasonable read? There's no way Rayn and Barakos are mafia together. If barakos flips scum you are confirmed town in my eyes. If you did a play bussing your partner here then congratulations, you've broken all my preconceptions of how scum play. | ||
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On July 25 2015 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: And please stop saying things like "if this then that". Yes it is impossible i am mafia with Barakos, but you should not be saying/thinking like that. What is the point of saying "if this then that" when there is no "this"? What you say means absolutely nothing. Because I thought tic tock is both scumreading you and barakos which makes no sense. Then I looked through his filter and he hasn't mentioned barakos name once after game start... which is weird. Why has he not commented one the most heavily scum-read person of the day? Everyone should have an opinion on barakos at this point. | ||
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I'm assuming barakos is mafia, and scum are afraid to speak up in his defense since his posts are pretty bad. I think mafia would then if not defend barakos, just not comment on him at or give an opinion on him. These are the people that haven't mentioned/given an opinion barakos: MoosyDoosy TicTock NocturneMage Flexes Found barakos scum partners right here. | ||
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On July 25 2015 23:31 ruXxar wrote: So I tried a new theory. I'm assuming barakos is mafia, and scum are afraid to speak up in his defense since his posts are pretty bad. I think mafia would then if not defend barakos, just not comment on him at or give an opinion on him. These are the people that haven't mentioned/given an opinion barakos: MoosyDoosy TicTock NocturneMage Flexes Found barakos scum partners right here. I'm like 99% sure scum are in the list above. I'm going to quote this postgame for cred. | ||
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On July 26 2015 03:32 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure why you are explaining your scum read of rayn to rayn? Damdred you need to change your vote. You are voting for barakas not barakos. https://mafia-votecount.herokuapp.com/#490503-newbie-student-mafia-xiii | ||
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That gif is adorable, where did you get it? | ||
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Just lynch the non-voters and we win. Moosy + Flexes last mafia gogo. | ||
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On July 26 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote: Maybe if you want to lose 99% of the time probably I'm expecting an apology from you post-game when I'm right. | ||
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On July 26 2015 07:50 Damdred wrote: An apology for what? To trying to tell you that 99% of the time the mafia who aren't going to die that day will vote is the truth No they're not mafia for not voting. They're mafia for other reasons which I meantioned earlier: On July 25 2015 23:31 ruXxar wrote: So I tried a new theory. I'm assuming barakos is mafia, and scum are afraid to speak up in his defense since his posts are pretty bad. I think mafia would then if not defend barakos, just not comment on him at all or give an opinion on him. These are the people that haven't mentioned/given an opinion barakos: MoosyDoosy TicTock NocturneMage Flexes Found barakos scum partners right here. Neither Moosy or Flexes have given an opinon on barakos at all. I could actually buy the story of flexes being afk all this time and forgetting about this game, but Moosy? No way. Moosy actually game back today and what did he do? He just commented on all my posts and kept up the ad hominem instead of doing jack shit to help figure out the game. He was asked to give reads on the game yesterday and he simply ignored it and did nothing productive at all. Moosy is 100% mafia. | ||
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People that are town for being suspicious early of Barakos post: RuXx Damdred Rayn Rels People that are town for other reasons: Disformation Scum: Moosy Flexes Suspicious'ish: Breshke Sulfurus Tictock Nocturne (n00bking) | ||
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On July 26 2015 08:17 Damdred wrote: Was the fight with ruxxor I thought it looked town vs town as neither gave a crap about how they looked and early mafia generally care more how they are looked at. Fuck you damdred, learn to spell my name right. | ||
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He's been a little warm this game, a little too jokey. I saw his early interaction with barakos and it felt too friendly, and he wasn't suspicious at all of Barakos first read post. This is how he responded to barakos post: On July 24 2015 10:07 n00bKing wrote: I think I'm in the same boat with you. I don't want to tell anyone how to play, but I would rather see that stop. I'll be pretty surprised if he just completely bails on Day 1. What kind of example would that set for the newbies?! lulz He didn't actually try to understand the reason for WHY barakos made these reads or comment on why they made sense or not. I see n00bking as this rational logic robot that picks apart people's reads when they don't make sense. Instead of scrutinizing the reads that barakos made, he instead just scoffed it off and thought it was a joke: On July 25 2015 06:47 n00bKing wrote: Okay, then I agree with Moosy. You are dumb. I cannot begin to imagine how anyone could take that comment from Barakos seriously. Not for a moment did I think he was trying to buddy up to me, or pocket me, or give a read on me. It's clearly a joke. And in fact, the post from me that he was responding to when he made the joke, was ALSO a joke. His joke plays off of mine. Just feeling that n00b is a little bit odd which is why i pegged him as a PR this game. I just don't feel confident calling him confirmed town at this point. | ||
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On July 26 2015 09:41 Damdred wrote: Why is rels suspicious tt when he called the post out so early? And bara spewed him town +1 to this. Rels was one of the first to go out against Barakos and he went hard. | ||
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I don't like how n00bking is stuck trying to push the same case on rels over and over. He complains about rayn being hung up over him calling his first post a throwaway post, yet he himself is completely obsessed with trying to hammer rels to death for an argument that he clearly explained his stance on. He's trying to push scum on rels by taking his words and twisting their meaning so that they appear scummy. I feel like rels adequately explained his stance, and I've seen town rels make these attacks on opening posts of people before, it's nothing new. Something about n00bking is just a little bit off from the last game we played together. | ||
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On July 26 2015 11:00 n00bKing wrote: You are EXACTLY RIGHT. I am now VERY interested to hear how you selected those 3 particular names, to see if you used precisely the same reasoning I did or not. (Note that "most likely bussers" and "most likely scum" are not exactly the same thing.) What's the difference? | ||
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On July 26 2015 11:06 n00bKing wrote: If I've been warm and jokey, then I wasn't just too friendly with Barakos. I've been friendly with a lot of people. Except Rels. Fuck Rels. :D Because it WAS a joke. Barakos AFK'd the rest of the Phase, so he never came back to confirm it. But ask him after the game is over. I bet he'll tell you it was a joke. Again, probably shouldn't be trying to peg people as power roles... And it's fine that you're not confident calling me confirmed Town yet. I think there are several very good reasons for people to be Townreading me. I would not try to demand that anyone call me "confirmed Town." Like, those are big words, and should not be thrown around lightly. I just find it really weird that you took the time to read his post, yet you didn't actually take the time to comment on the essence of his reads, instead you just gave fluff in response. | ||
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Can you give me a simple list post with where you think people stand right now. | ||
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Like, he's playing completely different from my last game with him, which is why I'm hesistant to scum-read him but everything he says is just weird. His post that supposedly shows how n00bking is scum is just so bad on so many levels I don't even know how it's supposed to convince anyone. | ||
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On July 26 2015 11:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: To be honest, I'm getting a lot busier so I wouldn't mind if you all lynched me so that my obligation to this game is gone. So please wagon me on ruXxar so I can shove this mislynch in his face in our next game. Are you going to do something or just cry your tears of pettiness for the rest of the game Not only did you fail to vote, but you haven't given any reads this game. How could you not have had an opinion on barakos all day when he has been up for lynch hmm? How can you not have had an opinion on anyone else for that matter. How about that reads list I've been requesting for 2 days now? You're just reeking scum to me so yeah, go ahead and get lynched. | ||
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On July 26 2015 12:24 Sulfurus wrote: You always call my posts bad. I'm supporting your reads and you're still calling it bad. Doesn't matter if you support me if you're doing it for the wrong reasons. | ||
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On July 26 2015 12:24 Sulfurus wrote: You always call my posts bad. I'm supporting your reads and you're still calling it bad. Can you tell me exactly what your quoted posts are supposed to mean? Pretend i'm a 5 year old and don't get it. Can you write a little description about each linked post of why they are damning? | ||
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On July 26 2015 13:49 Tictock wrote: One thing I'd like to point out about that lynch... Since Bara abandoned the thread very early and was also under suspicion rather early I think it is highly likely that his teammates bussed him, and possibly bussed him early. It largely depends on how Bara actually exited the game, which is impossible for town to know. However if Bara gave up shortly after making his last post in the game he might very well have told his team to buss him for the towncred. If Bara tried to plan with his team how they might get pressure off him and elsewhere, or if Bara left without talking to his team, then scum would have bussed him much later. Either way I think it is very likely that at least one of the remaining scumteam was bussing Bara, possibly both. It does seem less likely that scum lets their votes afk when they could easily grab some towncred for lynching their buddy. Not enough to clear MD or Flex though. You take a wifom premise of "we don't know how Barakis exited the game" ( and who says he even exited the game?) and you turn it into "it's highly likely he got bussed early by his team mates." I think this is a straw man argument at best tbh. | ||
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Flexes has to be mafia. Town doesn't go "I'm writing up a reads list" and then not post anything or do anything. In general I want to lynch scummy afk people before scummy people. If flexes doesn't get vigged tonight then he's auto lynch as rels said. Cop should check one of moosy, tictock or n00b. Remember that there is always a godfather in this setup so a green check does not automatically mean you are town. Medic should absolutely save rayn. I don't care if another townie gets NKd, rayn is worth 2 townies++ at this point. | ||
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On July 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##Vote Sulfurus He's probably Mafia Godfather tbh. Reasons? How about that reads list. You're 0% invested in this game right now. Do you even read the thread? Why did you not vote? Why did you not participate at all yesterday but instead focused on trash talking me? I don't care what you think about me, but you've done nothing to help this game along. | ||
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On July 27 2015 03:35 n00bKing wrote: I'm going to label this as "Rels having fun with semantics." And I am going to label it as "the 3rd time Rels has been forced to retcon a story, after there being 5 times he has contradicted himself." ?!!! His story checks out. Your grandiose witch hunt on this small little detail doesn't matter jack shit in the long run because what you want to look for is mafia motivation and not get hung up in small details like this that totally derail town productivity. I can perfectly understand rels logic here and nothing in that argument is him contradicting himself. Go look at the broader strokes of the game and try to discern mafia motivation from that, this topic of rels scum-read has been beaten to death and you're not going to convince me he's scum for it. | ||
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Why did you not vote yesterday? Also, why did you not have an opinion on barakos. | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote: #9: NocturneMage - Might be a bit higher, if it didn't seem like he can't be paired with either of my highest scumreads. (Hooray for association cases!) Later posts do seem better, but some of the early posts are pretty damn unhelpful. Don't know who mentioned it, but he had a tendency early to just ask people questions about what they thought about someone else's stated opinion. These questions had predictable answers, that would probably be short and not generate much interesting discussion. Asking questions is good. But asking questions like that is bad, because they take up just as much space in your filter (so it looks like you're participating and being inquisitive) but it doesn't actually go anywhere. Happily engages in a worthless discussion about his experience in RL Mafia games, while failing to actually draw conclusions about what is going on. That would be barakos confirmed scum: On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote: Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:47 n00bKing wrote: Interesting. Well then yeah, Barakos made a really good point about why Mage is suspicious! lol : \ Was Barakos in any trouble yet, at that point? Is it possible he was pushing Mage to make Mage look better if Barakos got lynched? Or was this all too early for that? It was 1 hour after game start. | ||
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On July 27 2015 06:44 n00bKing wrote: Dear Bad Guys, I know that the Mafia attacked me on Night 1 of Newbie 11, and that they attacked me on Night 2 of Newbie 12. So maybe you are thinking of attacking me tonight, too. But don't do it! Don't kill me on my birthday, you dicks! The chance you die tonight if you are town are pretty much 0% unless rels is scum and feels very pressured. | ||
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My observation of n00b is that his play sort of fits with a veteran trying to take a mafia bullet for town. So yeah, if n00b is a PR I think he's a veteran. | ||
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Good job medic saving rayn. <3 <3 <3 <3 | ||
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On July 27 2015 07:12 Damdred wrote: That's not true ruxxar statistically it's about a 50/50 split for replacements What I mean is that judging him for not returning and giving us his reads list isn't as scum indicative if he went completely afk after his last post. | ||
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Which means we are running setup A or B, with cop + medic/veteran. So if cop has a red-check, he should tell us imo. | ||
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On July 27 2015 07:17 scott31337 wrote: Welcome!! Let me catch up on the thread. I saw we got mafia d1 and blocked the shot today, very nice job... Hey scottie <3 <3 <3 | ||
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Mafia would already know who the veteran is, but we don't unless he tells us. | ||
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On July 27 2015 07:24 n00bKing wrote: Makes sense. Doctor save is more likely in a vacuum, but if it was a Veteran instead, I don't see any downside to him telling us. So you're obviously not the veteran then :p | ||
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We have a perfect record so far, let's try to join the hall of fame of TL mafia games with no townies lynched/killed?! :D | ||
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On July 27 2015 06:52 MoosyDoosy wrote: ruXxar let's not delve into that. That just gives scum more ideas and creates too many mindgames. And n00bKing has been killed on his first night for all his games except for the one before this. This is an interesting post. Did you think that n00bking had a high likelihood of getting NKed? Same question for you n00bking, why make all the posts before the day post about "pls don't kill me scum"? Did you seriously think you were getting NKed? | ||
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On July 27 2015 10:24 Tictock wrote: Nice save medic! Seems pretty likely that we have Doc/Cop setup going, slim chance of a Vigi who held their shot (which you shouldn't do if your a vigi). If there was a vet Mafia should have been roleblocking their NK (they know what setup we are in) to prevent the loss of their KP. So pretty much confirms that we have a medic. Should not need to state this, but blues should continue to remain hidden. And ruxx, you need to stop trying to point out people who you think might have a role. How have you not learned this by now? Welcome back Scott ^.^ Because n00bking is giving me all sorts of bad vibes and I'm trying to figure out why. Something about n00bking is rubbing me in the wrong spot, like an ominous premonition that something is off. I don't want to slander him without bringing evidence to the table so I'll put together my specific thoughts tomorrow. Like I don't even want to say that it's directly scummy, it's just a really weird feeling I get from his play. Also cop should out if he has a red check. | ||
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On July 27 2015 10:37 Sulfurus wrote: I did NOT get roleblocked last night. And if you did I recommend claiming cause it's kinda like a green check. Oh wow you're right, role blocks are notified. I didn't get role locked either. | ||
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On July 27 2015 10:37 Sulfurus wrote: I did NOT get roleblocked last night. And if you did I recommend claiming cause it's kinda like a green check. Sulfurous who do we lynch today and why? | ||
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On July 27 2015 10:41 Tictock wrote: Need to do some re-reading but at the moment my reads haven't really changed. Most Likely scum: Moosy Sulf Bre Scott taking over for Flex leaves him at pretty null, will need to see what he does today. I want to relook at ruxx sometime today, he's all over the place ... for him though that's probably a town lean still. The whole Rels and n00b thing is a mess. Both of them are talking in circles a lot and not getting anywhere while only really managing to spam up the thread. Overall seems to boil down to a town vs town struggle where neither wants to back down (also I'm pretty sure the main point of contention was that rels used VT and Town interchangeably...) Pretty much sums up where I am atm Who are your top town reads right now? Also who do you think was medic saved? | ||
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On July 27 2015 10:43 ruXxar wrote: Who are your top town reads right now? Also who do you think was medic saved? Tictock can you give an ordered list of your town reads from most towns and least towny. Also who you think was the attempted NK / medic save. This is very important to me. | ||
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On July 27 2015 10:57 Tictock wrote: Why does any of that matter? Especially asking for WIFOM about the NK... Everyone I didn't call scum or null is town for me. Don't see a point in ranking them. Can you do it anyway to the best of your ability? I would really really appreciate it. Ordered town list and who you think the NK attempt was on please. | ||
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On July 27 2015 11:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a veteran. Not surprised at all. Figured you were either medic saved or the veteran. To me you were the NK target 100%, which means you are on point.. Someone might say "but oh, mafia have a role blocker, why didn't they just role block rayn then shoot him?" I don't think mafia thinks like that. The chance that you hit the veteran the first night is so low that I think mafia takes that chance and just tries to block the cop instead. I'm gonna look through your filter again to see who might be wanting to kill you. | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I gotta go to bed. shoot Fexexs. check tictactoe. i think they are the last mafia. i think moosy is not mafia. be aware of sulf and breshke, mayyyybe NM. i don't think anyone else has a chance of flipping mafia. Seems very likely that mafia are in this post. | ||
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On July 27 2015 11:47 Tictock wrote: I'm tempted to just write this off and say "God your bad" But I'm pretty sure you know better than this... Really now? How should I know better? | ||
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On July 27 2015 11:47 Tictock wrote: I'm tempted to just write this off and say "God your bad" But I'm pretty sure you know better than this... Allow me to explain why mafia doesn't RB their NK: 1) mafia are in a shitty position. 2) the list of good cop checks is fairly small. 3) if mafia allow the cop free checks 2-3 nights in a row they're in a terrible spot. 4) mafia priority #1 is to avoid cop checks. They get 2 shots at this by splitting the NK and the RB. 5) if their NK or RB target is the cop then great! If their NK target is the veteran then too bad. But they have to take that risk to win at this point. | ||
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On July 27 2015 12:00 Tictock wrote: You really think scum, who know if there is a vet or not, would risk loosing their KP for the 1/10 chance that they can RB the cop? Especially when they are already down a person? Doesn't make sense at all. Also I'm pretty sure rayn was making a joke. Really? You must be telepathic or something because there is no way I can read a joke out of that one sentence. It makes 100% sense that he was the NK. Or here's an idea: What if he isn't the vet and was trying to bait mafia reactions to his claim, such as your reaction calling it a joke since you know it isn't true. | ||
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If you got a notification of being role blocked then you need to speak up. You are confirmed town unless someone counter claims being role blocked. | ||
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On July 27 2015 13:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: How the fuck was doctor more likely than a veteran?!?!?!? Here's how: Veteran is given to a townie at random. A medic save can be directed. The list of reasonable NK targets is smaller than all the players in the game. Therefore the chance that a medic saved a potential NK target is higher than mafia randomly hitting a veteran. | ||
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On July 27 2015 16:25 Rels wrote: Second, I was roleblocked. My potential night actions were: So I believe one of these two is mafia. Rels buddy I never doubted you're town! I'm so happy right now Also multiple people said shoot flexes which is not why you hit role blocked. You got role blocked because mafia thought you were the cop. Who said that n00b was a good check this game? I think only you and rayn if I remember correctly.(he changed check later) (On phone can't check) You could also be role blocked simply for talking about cop checks. I will investigate this later tonight. | ||
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At this point mafia have to work together. They absolutely do not want to lose another member at this point. I feel like tic tictock and n00bking were the only ones to try and resist the Barakos lynch. They also both strongly suggested that Barakos was being bussed, which I think is the wrong conclusion. And they also have these weird interactions with each other where they mind meld on this bussing idea and other ideas. I think there could be something going on here. Will check later | ||
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I really don't like how you respond with "I'm mafia". I don't know why you're doing that if you're trying to get town read. There's plenty of time to push you later after I considered everything else. | ||
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On July 27 2015 17:06 Rels wrote: ruxxar what is your opinion on Breshke ? Can't remember anything he did. And that is usually a big signal. Breshke being forgettable is exactly how he plays town. I played with him last game and I had a null read in him all game since I couldn't remember anything noteworthy that he did. I was actually more suspicious of him when he was posting a lot at the start since it found that a-typical for him. Will read his filter again later. | ||
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On July 27 2015 18:09 Rels wrote: I still don't get why you are saying this: - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you This is going nowhere. Let's stop here. Let's not stop here, I want an answer to this. Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop. Explain like I'm 5. You already called me dumb so I need extra spoon feeding. | ||
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On July 27 2015 20:22 Rels wrote: You were mafia in this game. How could you have a "null read of him all game". Because I was reading the thread and couldn't remember anything he said. | ||
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On July 27 2015 19:56 ruXxar wrote: Let's not stop here, I want an answer to this. Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop. Explain like I'm 5. You already called me dumb so I need extra spoon feeding. Really want an answer on this from n00b. | ||
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On July 27 2015 20:58 Rels wrote: I can not comment objectively, but I think Tiktock spoke the truth. We should concentrate on other people that noobking or myself. We're both pretty angry, so nothing productive will happen if we're pushed. Any thought on Sulfurus ruxxar ? ?? Why do you not want an answer to this question? I don't think his "answer" made ANY sense at all. | ||
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On July 27 2015 21:13 Rels wrote: Yesterday I was in his shoes. I wrote a big post saying how he was mafia for a tons of reasons, and when I reread it before posting I realize most of it was nonsense. I'm pretty happy I did not post it. I mean, read his last posts. He got progressively angry and started using majs. Mafia are usually calmer than that. I too don't understand this sentence, but I decided to ignore him for the day and let him and I get more calm. We'll continue this tomorrow. IMO you should do the same. Maybe I won't be like that if we didn't have other solid leads. But I feel Sulfurus and Flexes are very suspicious, and TT and MD are worth talking about. No, it's a simple question with simple answer. He can answer it today. | ||
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On July 27 2015 21:18 Rels wrote: Hahaha he's going to be soooo angry =D can't wait to see that. I can't wait. @reads, I'll give you an answer little later, need to work in front of boss | ||
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On July 27 2015 21:16 Rels wrote: So: any reads on Sulfu ? After you give your opinion, what do you think of these posts ? NM thoughts noobking's thoughts Disformation's thoughts Rels' thoughts Opinion on sulfu: His playstyle is very unorthodox, and I'm not very fond of it. However, its distinctly different from his play in my other game with him. His read on flexes was really weird, he got the totally opposite reaction of what I had, I thought flexes posts were slightly scummy or NAI at best, yet he called him super town for it. It's really hard to judge flexes due to the fact that he got replaced, but yeah I disagree with his read on flexes. I asked him why flexes was more town than disformation, and he compared flexes to nocture instead. His reads list is not bad, I think he's got a lot of the people in the right places, but calling it auto this early is way too early. No way he can be that certain. I think he's just overexcited. He's been watching a lot of daily mafia and thinks he's acquired tremendous scum hunting abilities. Wanted to seem cool by spouting some DM terminology. I understand that, I've been there too. Sulfurus has a very confident tone, not afraid to state his opinion. This is very different from his scum game. I think sulfurus is town. I don't like his play, but I don't think its scummy. ##Townshield sulfurus | ||
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On July 28 2015 06:20 Sulfurus wrote: It takes a lurker to read a lurker. But seriously there is a really deep bias among some people in this game that post count is proportional to townyness, maybe for some people, but if you actually look at flexes filter with the knowledge that something distracted him from the game (kinda why he got replaced) then it makes more sense why he is towny. tru tho My auto list is legit though; someone asked (TickTock?) if I will ever reconsider it and the answer is I think about how I could change it whenever I read the game but it's pretty set in stone except maybe I would rather lynch breshke over disformation but it could go either way. Yeah this guy is town 100%. | ||
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Moosy and ticktock are never mafia together. Flipping either of them is going to reveal the alignment of the other. I'll oblige our self proclaimed mafia by voting on him. | ||
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On July 28 2015 07:01 ruXxar wrote: ##Vote MoosyDoosy Moosy and ticktock are never mafia together. Flipping either of them is going to reveal the alignment of the other. I'll oblige our self proclaimed mafia by voting on him. On second thought it could be town on town, but meh can't decide who I want to lynch. Want to lynch any one of these people: n00bking Tictock MoosyDoosy Flexes | ||
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##unvote ##vote n00bking I feel really good about this vote. There's just too much iffy about n00bking. 1) soft defending barakos while still leaving himself an out by not taking a stance on him and saying he could possibly be scummy. Not suspicious of Barajas at all. 2) his tunneling on semantics in rels post was so over the top and contrived that I don't think n00bhimself even believed it. It was pretty much a theatrical performance to try and paint rels as scum. I especially found this post to be a perfect demonstration of his over the top persona. On July 27 2015 02:40 n00bKing wrote: Alright, let's put this thing with Rels to bed. Is everyone ready for the GRAND FINALE? I have to admit, I'm pretty excited. So, I had said this: And apparently, I'm the ONLY ONE who re-read his filter, or someone else would have caught this. Don't worry though, I'll do everything myself for the rest of this game, if I have to, until the bad guys can't take it anymore and kill me. Here's this post from Rels. I normally trim down quotes to keep things shorter and more focused, and easier to read. But I'll quote it in its entirety, just to maximize the context. This was confusing to me. I didn't understand how Rels could tell me that he never said the remarks required thought. If I was under the impression that he HAD told me that, then it probably had to come from somewhere. I had meant to go back and check, but then got distracted by other goings-on, and just happened to run across the answer while re-reading his filter for other reasons. And VOILA, there it was: (again, I apologize for leaving the quote uncut. It's a huge, cluttered mess. But I'm making sure full context is available. The end is the part you want, though. The last post.) Simple enough? vs OOPS. So, ruXxar had tried to tell me stuff like this: Well, I will have NO more of that, sir. Yes, Rels has clarified his posts. And it's gotten him caught in a lie. So either he is a Townie that is a terrible teammate, and due to his pride and ego, refused to admit to a mistake that he had made, and instead lied about it so he wouldn't look bad...or...he is Scum. We can have a discussion about why he lied. But the discussion about WHETHER he lied, is OH-verrrr. So basically he tries to push a crappy case on rels to start a second wagon, overestimates his own ability and gets nowhere. Realizes that people are getting suspicious and role blocks rels to make himself look towny through mafia logic wifom. Yep yep I got it all figured out. You can thank me when he flips scum. | ||
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On July 28 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: Now this is interesting. As I've explained, my reads on Breshke have been evolving due to his absence from a town lean to a null read. This might come in handy later on. As for scott, I'm honestly not surprised by his play because he hasn't really posted in any of the games that I've been in with him. So he's a null for me. It's interesting to see how people are reading Sulfurus but I'm a bit confused on this point. Why is it such a bad idea to lynch people that were on the Barakos wagon? If we look at the people who didn't, there's Tictock, ruXxar, me, and Flexes. I'm town, ruXxar's town, I think Tictock's town. This basically leaves us just scott. But as someone pointed out, rayn's claim as Veteran leaves us with a Vigi. Which means we either have a dumb Vigi who didn't shoot N1 or scott as Vigi which makes me reluctant to lynch him because of this fact. I just don't think that not lynching people on the Barakos wagon is a good idea. Wrong. N00bking was not on the Barakos train and gets 0 credit for voting on him. His vote on barakos has 0 value. | ||
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On July 28 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote: So re-reading the thread and going over the Barakos lynch - Tictock drops this townread on n00b and spends quite a bit of time on it, although has not mentioned much of any body else yet. So Sulf places the fourth vote on Barakos just before this post. This would be a pretty sick bus when this seems like a pretty good post (one of his best so far) - I just don't see the bus yet. Rayn's the UNCC'ed Vet and I'm town. I'm pretty confident that dis is town as well. Moosy looks townie to me as well. Damdred gets a townlean for now, we will color him as well - his instincts and questioning seem townie. So I'm at - Final Day 1 Votecount barakos (8): raynpelikoneet, disformation, Breshke, Sulfurus, Rels, damdred, n00bKing, NocturneMage moosydoosy (2): nocturnemage (0): ruxxar (0): barakas (0): rels (0): rayn (0): Not voting (3): moosydoosy, barakos, Flexes barakos is set to be lynched! We have Rels voting for Bara - and then N00bking goes after Sulfurus on Barakos - This seems like an attempt at a defense but not. N00b goes to bed and does not vote. TT votes moosy Ruxx votes Rayn on a "TMI scumslip" lol Noob finally jumps on Barakos the next day at 13:04, when the lynch is about set (Bara has six votes) So the n00b vote or NM vote could be a bus - beyond that - I think everyone on that wagon is town. Why is moosy town exactly? What's your opinion of rels: scum or town? | ||
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On July 28 2015 10:17 n00bKing wrote: Disappointed in you, ruXxar. If anyone needs me to rip his post to shreds, let me know. But I can just ignore it if that works better for everyone. That's fine, I don't need your approval. But go ahead and tear it to shreds. | ||
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I know I was advocating mafia splitting RB and NK, but that was before I was fully aware that RBs are notified. In what world would scum be handing out confirmed towns? It's really dumb. Especially when they give confirmed town to someone that was suspected by other people. Why give rels confirmed town status when n00bking was up his ass so to speak. #1) mafia team are dumb. When I think about it n00b was right in that it's unlikely rels is cop since he's telling the cop who to check. Why role block rels of all people? It makes no sense. Giving away confirmed townies are really really bad. #2) mafia want to make n00bking look bad for pushing on confirmed town. #3) n00bking wanted to look townie by explaining away some wifom logic of why he wouldn't rb rels. #4) mafia are genius: rels is mafia and they didn't role-block anyone. Rels claims being role blocked to get confirmed town status. This is insane next level play. If this is true I want to give mega props to scum team. Fuck n00bking can't be mafia anymore I think. I think n00bking would make play #4 and claim being role blocked. | ||
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On July 28 2015 21:56 Breshke wrote: I could be wrong but im fairly sure you HAVE TO roleblock someone like you can't abstain. Also theyn wouldnt have known they were handing out a confirmed town because they obviously didn't think rayn was the vet. Don't know if the rules are different in newbie games but in gaiden we didn't have to roleblock anyone. We abstained from using our powers multiple nights. | ||
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On July 28 2015 23:09 ruXxar wrote: Don't know if the rules are different in newbie games but in gaiden we didn't have to roleblock anyone. We abstained from using our powers multiple nights. I can't see anything newbie specific that says you can't abstain from using your powers so my logic is still valid. | ||
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On July 29 2015 00:23 n00bKing wrote: Voting for Ticktock here is not going to save Ticktock. Headed to work right now, but should be able to make a few posts from there, before EoD. 2 really interesting posts from Breshke that I'll want to touch on (one that I like and one that I don't). I'll mention something else that I didn't like about an old post from Sulfurus. And I'll post up a "Town Case" on Ticktock, if he's still in vote trouble. Why would I want to save tictock? n00b. Can you give me input on my post here? I want to know why you think rels got roleblocked. On July 28 2015 21:20 ruXxar wrote: Ok here's a thought, the mafia team has to be fairly dumb. I know I was advocating mafia splitting RB and NK, but that was before I was fully aware that RBs are notified. In what world would scum be handing out confirmed towns? It's really dumb. Especially when they give confirmed town to someone that was suspected by other people. Why give rels confirmed town status when n00bking was up his ass so to speak. #1) mafia team are dumb. When I think about it n00b was right in that it's unlikely rels is cop since he's telling the cop who to check. Why role block rels of all people? It makes no sense. Giving away confirmed townies are really really bad. #2) mafia want to make n00bking look bad for pushing on confirmed town. #3) n00bking wanted to look townie by explaining away some wifom logic of why he wouldn't rb rels. #4) mafia are genius: rels is mafia and they didn't role-block anyone. Rels claims being role blocked to get confirmed town status. This is insane next level play. If this is true I want to give mega props to scum team. Fuck n00bking can't be mafia anymore I think. I think n00bking would make play #4 and claim being role blocked. | ||
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On July 29 2015 01:05 Damdred wrote: Salutations Firstly of course you can abstain from using rb/frames/vig powers. And breshke saying otherwise is a bit odd(?) just like you can withhold kp if you want but its not advisable st all. Other than that I'm not sure who want to lynch, on one hand someone shouldn't claim mafia and not be punished. Om the other breshke is super weird, and tick is interesting but not sure its scum related hrm Has breshke been mafia before? With 15 games I would think so. He should know these things right? | ||
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I don't like TTs filter, a lot of individual oddities and inconsistencies that don't stick together in a coherent way. | ||
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I don't really care for moosy or TT one way or the other, I want to lynch them both. I just don't think they are mafia together, so if one flip mafia the other is moved into my town circle. | ||
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He's like a silent ninja to me. Only thing I remember is his opening spar with moosy. Other than that he is just null. | ||
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On July 29 2015 02:18 n00bKing wrote: Going to take a minute to explain what I mean when I say "pure WIFOM" as it will be relevant in some of my posts throughout the rest of the game, including the Town Case on Ticktock (if it's needed today) and a Town Case on myself (if it's needed any other day). If you look at the original WIFOM scenario, in the movie, it is what I would call "pure WIFOM." Disregard Westley's immunity, and the fact that it would turn out both goblets were poisoned. Instead, just consider the game as it is presented to Vizzini (and as it is presented to the audience). In that scenario, there is really no incentive for the person staging the game to put the poison in one goblet as opposed to the other. There is no advantage or disadvantage to picking one or the other, since the opponent can just switch them. Everything is a pure 50/50, because the person being presented with the choice has NO way of knowing where the poison will be placed, and the person staging the game has NO way of knowing whether the opponent will choose to switch the goblets. But although that WIFOM scenario was 50/50, not all of them are. Sometimes the person staging the game (in this case, the Mafia) will have incentive to not make a certain choice. And the only reason for them to go ahead and make that choice anyway is to "look Townie." They play against their own agenda, for the sake of hoping that people will think "Since Scum wouldn't want to do that...they must not be Scum." This is not pure WIFOM, because the Mafia has reasons NOT to do that thing. Thus, doing that thing is slighty-to-somewhat Town indicative. Not hugely indicative, because it's still WIFOM. But it isn't NAI, because it isn't pure WIFOM. A couple of players in this game have made posts that indicate they aren't aware of (or at least aren't factoring in) these varying levels or degrees of WIFOM. Rels in particular is guilty of taking anything that a Mafia player could do that doesn't benefit them in any way except to "look Townie" and label it as WIFOM and then ignore it. There's a difference between things a Mafia player can do to look Townie that "don't benefit them" and things they can do to look Townie that "hurt them." Not all WIFOM is created equal. I could swear this wasn't my coaching QT, I need to lay off the booze. | ||
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On July 29 2015 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Please lynch TT he is scum. Breshke is not mafia. Neither is sulfurus. Neither is moose. Who is the last mafia? | ||
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I don't see any scum motivation. I could basically make the same argument against you for the way you responded to Barakos post. In fact I think you look even worse in the way you dealt with Barakos. | ||
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My tinfoil hat senses are tingling. If we have a medic I think they should out so we can lynch confirmed town rayn. If medic doesn't claim today I will consider rayn 100% town for the rest of the game. | ||
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TT is not scum with Scott or moosy. TT tried hard to lynch moosy, and Scott is first vote on TT today. | ||
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On July 29 2015 02:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: If TT flips Mafia, I am not town. If TT flips town, I am not Mafia. I already explained this in a previous post of mine, but your statement that it's one or the other is completely false. If TT flips mafia you are town in my eyes. If TT flips town you could be either alignment. | ||
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TT and n00bking the 2 biggest resistors of the barakos lynch, yet still calling him semi scummy and being agreeable to his lynch to give themself an out later. | ||
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Looking a bit through TT's filter at first I liked a bunch of his recent posts.... then... [QUOTE]On July 27 2015 12:44 Tictock wrote: [QUOTE]On July 27 2015 12:33 Sulfurus wrote: [QUOTE]On July 27 2015 10:46 scott31337 wrote: [QUOTE]On July 27 2015 10:37 Sulfurus wrote: I did NOT get roleblocked last night. And if you did I recommend claiming cause it's kinda like a green check.[/QUOTE] Who do you think are the last two mafia?[/QUOTE] My reads are pretty much the same as I listed them [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490503-newbie-student-mafia-xiii?page=31#610]here[/url]. Now that Barakos is dead Moosy is next up. ##Vote: MoosyDoosy[/QUOTE] Just FYI If Mossy is actually mafia like I think he is... then you all have my permission to lynch me when I come up on Sul's PoE list. Maybe scum!Sul puts Bara on that list to get the town cred. No way does scum!Sul bus both his teammates in the first 2 days.[/QUOTE] What if this really says: "If Mossy would be mafia like I know he is not, then you have my permission to lnyhc me when I come up on Sul's PoE list. Let me go ahead and prepare a Sul misslynch." I had this exact same thought, too. | ||
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On July 29 2015 03:37 Tictock wrote: Ok, so if you think I'm scum here, then I want to know why you all think I'm the worst scum player ever? Why would I soft defend Bara, while still admitting the case on his was decent? Why push rayn who was one of the more vocal advocators of the Bara lynch? Why would I start to reevaluate my scum reads halfway through today and start making cases on new people and move my vote there? Like seriously, only way I'm scum here is if I'm going for the "Worst Scum Play 2015" award. No way do I push myself out into the limelight as scum like this. So if you really think I'm that bad of a scum player and would risk taking any of these actions that have made me look so weird and suspicious then you should take a quick look at my last scum game and explain why I've suddenly become terrible at playing as scum. My Filter that game: Holy Guardians You soft defend bara because you don't want him to get lynched, but don't want to be strongly associated by hard defending. You push rayn to discredit him and make his push on barakos look illegitemate. You start re-evaluating your scumreads because you realize the rayn push isn't getting traction and are looking for other opportunistic trains, like moosy. | ||
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On July 29 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Scott or noobking. Leaning on noobking tbh. Scott is never last mafia with tictock. Scott was first on vote train of tick tock and it was looking really strong. No way scott is bussing tick tock in this position. | ||
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I'll sheep whereever rayn + scott goes. | ||
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This votecount tool is messed up. My vote is on TT not Moosy. | ||
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On July 29 2015 06:03 n00bKing wrote: NO KIDDING. Notice how that means you could not have turned in a Night action. Which means the only way you can have a Green check on Moosy is if Flexes turned it in, despite the fact that he never came back to the thread during Day 1, and made ZERO posts during Night 1. (Formatting Fixed) You do know that other people can call in night actions for you? .. zzzzz ... zzzz ... zzz don't play dumb. | ||
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On July 29 2015 06:07 ruXxar wrote: You do know that other people can call in night actions for you? .. zzzzz ... zzzz ... zzz don't play dumb. Ctrl + Alt + Delete life. | ||
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On July 29 2015 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Waitwaitwiat. if a power role gets replaced while having not sent in an action, what happens? Is there no action or what? What does it matter, no one has CC'd, and we can never know if he turned in an action or not. | ||
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On July 29 2015 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote ##Vote scott31337 There is no way flexes has sent in a check. Impossible. You're insane. Of course he could've sent in a check before he replaced out. | ||
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On July 29 2015 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont care. It doesnt make any sense at all. The dude is in the middle of writing a reads post. He disappears, as a cop. He never comes back, gets replaced. BUT HE HAS SOMEHOW SENT IN A COP CHECK?!?!?! rofl Fuck you, YOU NEVER EVER EVER VOTE FOR AN UN'CC'd PR. YOU ARE THE WORST PLAYER IN HISTORY OF EVER IF YOU DO THIS. | ||
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On July 29 2015 06:53 Rels wrote: Furthermore, your explanation on "if rels was cop he wouldn't check the person he SAID HE WOULD CHECK" made no sense. Exactly. On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote: Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker. ??? On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote: lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."? Seriously, your refusal to use reason and common sense is driving me crazy. Just STOP posting for a little while, THINK about what you've just said, and come back later. What is this "Damaging town" talk? I don't understand what would be damaging to town. | ||
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On July 29 2015 06:57 ruXxar wrote: Exactly. What is this "Damaging town" talk? I don't understand what would be damaging to town. | ||
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On July 29 2015 07:13 Rels wrote: I love you ruxx <3 Enjoy your party | ||
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On July 29 2015 07:18 n00bKing wrote: We don't need 3 days, I can answer that in one post. And as long as you're tunneled on a wrong target, you won't be getting killed. You're like the Mafia's best friend (again). What was damaging to the Town is my belief that RELS AIN'T NO POWER ROLE in this game. I blue hunt in my Town games, just as surely as in my Scum games. For two reasons. 1) It's good practice for whenever I DO draw a Scum role. 2) If I can figure out which blue role someone is, I can eliminate them as a Scum suspect, even if they aren't contributing to the Town win condition with their posts. Seems like a lot of players don't even think about which player might be a blue role, while they're Town. But I do. And you didn't look like one. At ALL. This is why I was so careful to correct the notion that I had said you weren't Cop or Vigilante. And I said no, I'm only ruling you out as Vig in the scenario where Flexes is Scum. And only ruling you out as Cop in a scenario where I'm Scum. I made sure that ALL other possibilities where you are Vig or Cop are left open. So that the Mafia could still think you're a blue role, even though I was pretty damn sure you weren't. So for me to say you weren't a blue role at that time is damaging to the Town. I can't say that, even though it helps me explain how I know this "n00bKing blocked Rels cuz he might be Cop that was gonna turn in a check him" is ridiculous. It's safe to say it now, because you've already ruled yourself out as one. This doesn't make ANY sense when you've ALREADY said that he can't be cop?!! How can your explanation be damaging UNLESS you are the cop? | ||
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I guess Im stupid. Can someone other than n00bking explain to me why what he said makes sense? | ||
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Let me try to process this: You're saying that if you are scum then it's unlikely for rels to be the cop for reasons that are damaging to town. This damaging reason that would convince all mafia that rels isn't the cop is this: "cop rels would never announce his check on you, before checking you". Yet he ended up being role blocked so *someone* must've believed he was the cop. If you are mafia The fact that you said that you didn't think he was a cop and then RB him anyway is an easy way to look innocent from a town perspective. The second point is this: no one else mentioned that they wanted to check you. If you are the mafia and aren't the godfather, what do you do? Do you role block a random townie or do you role block those that mention that they want to check you? The percentage play is to role block those that mentioned wanting to check you. In fact if you are mafia you are 100% the mafia role blocker. | ||
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The list included: TT - town. Flexes - mafia. Nocturne - ? Moosy - ? I want to add n00bking to that list as well as breshke. Tomorrow I want to lynch moosy. Moosy is the mafia godfather 100%. It's the only logical explanation I can find for his play. His play was baiting a cop check so hard it's insanely obvious when you go back and look at it. Yeah. I'm lock voting moosy tomorrow. Only a miracle will convince me otherwise. Flame me all you want. Likely mafia in order: Moosy - mafia godfather. N00bking - mafia role blocker. Nocturne / breshke. Game over, town wins. | ||
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It makes too much sense. N00b insisted he would've gotten moosy lynched for sure if he was mafia. Not so easy when moosy is your partner. Also he was scared as shit of getting cop checked because he's the role blocker. Moosy is the god father. He admitted several times in the thread that he is mafia and doesn't give a shit about the game in general. His day 1 was atrocious and he had no opinion of anyone all day. He was paying 0 attention to the thread and threw ad hom attacks en masse after me. He was figuratively begging to be cop checked by his play. Moosy, get dunked. Your "hurr durr I'm mafia" play isn't going to work any longer. | ||
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On July 29 2015 15:21 n00bKing wrote: For God's sakes, someone please do this. I avoided the thread for like 7 hours, come back, and no one has done this yet. On July 29 2015 08:09 ruXxar wrote: @n00bking Let me try to process this: You're saying that if you are scum then it's unlikely for rels to be the cop for reasons that are damaging to town. This damaging reason that would convince all mafia that rels isn't the cop is this: "cop rels would never announce his check on you, before checking you". Yet he ended up being role blocked so *someone* must've believed he was the cop. If you are mafia The fact that you said that you didn't think he was a cop and then RB him anyway is an easy way to look innocent from a town perspective. The second point is this: no one else mentioned that they wanted to check you. If you are the mafia and aren't the godfather, what do you do? Do you role block a random townie or do you role block those that mention that they want to check you? You know that if you get cop checked mafia are screwed to hell and back The percentage play is to role block those that mentioned wanting to check you. In fact if you are mafia you are 100% the mafia role blocker. | ||
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On July 29 2015 22:53 Rels wrote: A weird thing: in this post, ruxxar voted moosy (changing from TT) by mistake, and never corrected it, as if he never checked a votecount. In the final votecount he is still voting moosy. I didn't vote for moosy. I'm not going to re-vote just to fix broken vote tool. I told the mod that I didn't switch and I expect him to count my vote properly. | ||
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If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town) Let me try to recap what you're saying and you can correct me if I'm wrong. Please answer the questions in simple sentences that I can understand. 1) If you are scum, and know there is a cop in the game you can be very confident that you will not be checked by rels. - Why? Give a clear answer. 2) There is a very low chance that rels is cop. - Why? Give a clear answer. These are the answers you gave to these questions so far, and they don't explain anything: 1) If Rels were the Cop, he would not check me, because during the Night Phase, he posted suggestions to the power roles, and he gave only ONE name to the Cop, and that name was MINE. Children have wondrous imaginations, so use yours, and put yourself in the shoes of a Rels who is the Cop. Imagine you're the Cop, and during the Night Phase, you suggest who the Cop should target. Imagine you give only one name. Then imagine that you...go ahead and turn in a check on that name. Did you notice how your brain stopped you and said "No, no, that's stupid"? Okay then. If there is a Cop in the setup, I don't think the Mafia can be particularly sure it isn't Rels. They can only be sure that if Rels is the Cop, he's not going to check ME. I gave suggestions to the Cop on who to check. Doesn't mean I'm not the Cop. But I wouldn't give a one-name suggestion, and if I did, I am not checking that guy. This doesn't explain why it's stupid. Also rels still got role-blocked, so someone must've believed he was the cop. 2) No explanation of why it's a low chance that he's cop. You didn't explain why there is a low chance he's cop BECAUSE it's damaging to town. Why was it damaging to town? What was damaging to the Town is my belief that RELS AIN'T NO POWER ROLE in this game. Doesn't explain why it's a low chance he's the cop, so your "damaging explanation for why he isn't the cop" isn't an explanation at all. | ||
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On July 30 2015 02:45 n00bKing wrote: This is not an explanation.Because his suggestions to the Cop included only ONE name, and I was that name. This is common sense, ruXxar. You asked me earlier to talk to you like you were 5. If you were 5, I still expect you to understand why Rels the Cop has a 0% chance of turning in a check on me in Night 1. 0.00% On July 30 2015 02:45 n00bKing wrote: This is not an explanation.Sure it does. That explains everything fully and perfectly. Whoever wrote that explanation has common sense, and is using it (which is all that is needed here). On July 30 2015 02:45 n00bKing wrote: Why?WHY? Yes, it is *possible* that the Mafia thought Rels might be the Cop, even though I had reason to believe otherwise. They can't be sure that Rels the Cop does not exist, they can only be sure that Rels the Cop would not turn in a check on n00bKing. Nothing else. But them roleblocking him does not ensure that they believed he was the Cop. And we've already covered the alternative explanation ad nauseam. On July 30 2015 02:45 n00bKing wrote: We already have our 2 power role claims.Again, low chance is not what I said. But yes, I did not explain why he was unlikely to be the Cop because the explanation would be damaging to the Town. If I explain why I believe that Rels ain't no power role in this game, then the Mafia can look at my reasoning and be like "Yeah, that adds up. He's probably right, Rels ain't no power role in this game." That's NOT information I want them to have. So I can't (and didn't) go into the details. Unless you are EXACTLY the cop, there is no reason you can't tell us. Please make your answers explicit for why what you said makes sense and don't refer to common sense as if I'm supposed to magically understand what you mean. | ||
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On July 30 2015 04:09 n00bKing wrote: Of course it is. You don't have to like an explanation for it to be one. You don't have common sense? Okay. But the fact remains: 0.00% chance that Rels the Cop turns in a check on me. I'm not going to discuss this anymore. There is no chance in hell that check was ever going to happen, after what he posted. And no chance in hell that I (as Scum) could possibly fear it was going to happen, after what he posted. Rels being roleblocked is potent proof that I am Town. I was speaking of that moment. I can't (and didn't) go into the details at that moment. As for "already have our 2 claims"...what's the matter, ruXxar? Are you scum, and know that Scott is the Cop? And won't be counterclaimed by NocturneMage because he is your scumbuddy? Because that seems to me to be THE ONLY way for you to know that we don't have any more roleclaims coming. Additionally, I am STRONGLY reminded of this post: Am I here to train you in the strategies that I use to identify power roles, which enabled me to determine that Rels wasn't one? I would somehow have incentive to try and teach you what I know, after you mocked me the last time I tried to help you learn something? It's not like you and Rels are displaying any capacity to absorb knowledge anyway. Go ahead, ask me again, what methodology I used to rule out Rels as a power role. That's fine, I'll never town-read you until you manage to explain it to me. | ||
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On July 30 2015 04:22 n00bKing wrote: Put yourself in my shoes. Why in the hell would I explain anything else to you, ever again? I've explained things and explained things, and explained things, and nothing ever penetrates. You just come back (EVERY time) with "Durrrr....I still don't understand!" So this is just another thing that I could explain until I'm blue in the face, and you'll either (by some miracle) still not get it, if you're Town, or pretend to not get it, if you're Scum. Moosy had the right attitude toward you all along. I'm ashamed that it took me longer to figure it out than it did for him. Remember when I said I wanted you to play in my 4th Newbie game, so my mind could be blown by the notion that someone who plays like you do could be listed as a "veteran" player? I changed my mind. Please do not participate in my 4th Newbie game. And Dear Mafia, Remember how I asked you to not kill me on Night 1, because it was my birthday? I changed my mind about that too. PLEASE kill me on Night 2. I asked the thread for ANYONE else to explain why what you said makes sense. NO ONE spoke up. So on top of me and rels not understanding it, no one else has managed to explain how what you said makes sense. Evidence is pointing towards you having a problem clearly explaining your point. | ||
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On July 30 2015 04:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: The reason why no one is explaining is because everyone stopped reading because n00bKing, Rels, and you are all town and just wasting your time trying to kill each other. I've understood n00bKing's viewpoint but you would just use your mass tunneling / confirmation bias to say "hur dur, Moosy is mafia with n00bKing he understands hur dur" which is why there's no point in me explaining. Can you not get it or do I need to explain it more? Explain more please. Explain how this statement is "common sense": On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote: If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). | ||
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On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is obviously a smart guy. he is not playing smart. i cant explain it better. Exactly this. His push on rels was so bad I couldn't believe n00bking is doing this. | ||
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On July 30 2015 04:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: BULLSHIT. Remember our first Mafia game together. LOL. THAT game was a prime example of n00bKing with his confirmation bias at work. However even if he's guilty of having confirmation bias your's is 100x worse. n00bking played a million times better in our last newbie game than he did this game imo. I could actually understand his logic that game. i gained tremendous respect for n00bking after that game even if he just lived for 1 day. This game he's literally throwing that image in the trash. | ||
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On July 30 2015 04:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: I see the same things in both games. He has confirmation bias on a few people, is a bit overeager to pressure some over others, and his wordiness is kicking in when he's trying to explain something. It's just that your bias for Rels is kicking in and is shading n00bKing in a bad light while putting n00bKing in our first game into a better light. If you go back and read that game, you can see all the traits still carried over into this one. But then again you won't read it because you're dumb. And even if you DO read it, your confirmation bias will just kick in and refuse to accept that fact. How about you go on and explain n00bkings statement on rels which you apparently had no problem understanding. | ||
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On July 30 2015 05:03 MoosyDoosy wrote: There's no point in answering you unless someone asks the same question. On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote: I don't understand. You are saying: - I'm probably not the cop - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part. How about now? | ||
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On July 30 2015 05:47 MoosyDoosy wrote: This won't make a difference because you'll use some form of confirmation bias but I'll give it a shot. n00bKing has been widely regarded as town until you two started piling shit on him after D2. No cop would and should waste a check on n00bKing because he is town. Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. However this ended up not mattering because Damdred made everyone pile votes on scott which made him role claim. ...Is that simple enough? n00bKing has been widely regarded as town until you two started piling shit on him after D2. No cop would and should waste a check on n00bKing because he is town. - Rels called n00bking mafia day 1. So this logic doesn't apply for why rels can't be cop. Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. Really. So why does n00bking say this? On July 29 2015 06:55 Rels wrote: Actually tell me why we should lynch Scott over TT I'm interested. On July 29 2015 06:58 n00bKing wrote: Because Scott's Cop claim is illogical, and I know Ticktock is Town. Have you not been reading the thread? Are you trying to convince me that n00bking knew scott was cop? I can't believe what you're saying right now. You are sooo far off base it's unbelievable. Holy shit. | ||
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On July 30 2015 06:04 Rels wrote: ruxx. Beginning to sleep here. Make him answer my questions if I do. Especially this one. I'm going to bed myself too soon. Been getting 4 hours of sleep last 3 days. We're definitely on the right track here though. I'll see you tomorrow, good night | ||
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On July 30 2015 05:47 MoosyDoosy wrote: This won't make a difference because you'll use some form of confirmation bias but I'll give it a shot. n00bKing has been widely regarded as town until you two started piling shit on him after D2. No cop would and should waste a check on n00bKing because he is town. Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. However this ended up not mattering because Damdred made everyone pile votes on scott which made him role claim. ...Is that simple enough? N00bking, what do you think of this post? Checks out right? | ||
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On July 30 2015 06:53 n00bKing wrote: Not impressed. He doesn't even touch on the common sense truth that the reason we know Rels the Cop would never turn in a check on me on Night 1 is because he said that's exactly what he would do if he was the Cop, and gave no alternate suggestions. I have never seen an investigative role do something like that. I WILL never see an investigative role do something like that. If Rels is the Cop, I'm not getting checked on Night 1. PERIOD. So he also didn't get your point. That's 3/3 that don't get it. What did you think of this part? Did you in fact warn moosy that scott was cop? Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. However this ended up not mattering because Damdred made everyone pile votes on scott which made him role claim. | ||
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On July 30 2015 07:09 n00bKing wrote: He never said he doesn't get that point. He just doesn't touch on it. Maybe he thought that part didn't need to be mentioned. You know...because it's common sense. Gee, I guess I shouldn't talk about that, huh? Did you forget AGAIN that only Scum could be sure there won't be another Cop claim? If you want to claim Scum, there are easier ways to do it. I asked him to SPECIFICIALLY to explain your statement on rels, so that we plebs could understand. And he failed HARD. The fact that you don't scum-read him for that beyondworldly horrible post is confirming you as his mafia buddy. You can concede now if you want to. I won't think worse of you for it. | ||
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On July 30 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote: Go ahead. Vote for me for my "high quality posts". Because that's exactly what they are but none of you will read them. *shrugs* Let's see where this gets you all. How about you address the posts directed at you on the last page? On July 30 2015 05:54 Rels wrote: You are saying noobking knew scott was cop during D2, before the showdown at EOD. Confirm ? On July 30 2015 06:02 ruXxar wrote: - Rels called n00bking mafia day 1. So this logic doesn't apply for why rels can't be cop. Really. So why does n00bking say this? Are you trying to convince me that n00bking knew scott was cop? I can't believe what you're saying right now. You are sooo far off base it's unbelievable. Holy shit. | ||
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On July 30 2015 08:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: What's up ruXxar old buddy? Not much. Just catching scum, that's all. | ||
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On July 30 2015 08:10 Damdred wrote: Did anyone besides Scott claiming rb? XD What did you think of moosys explanation damdred? | ||
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1) your explanation of n00bkings statement failed to explain why rels isn't the cop and also failed to explain why he wouldn't check n00bking. Would you like to try again? 2) you're claiming that n00bking knew that Scott was a cop before he claimed, yet n00bking wanted to lynch Scott after his claim because his claim was illogical. Do you see how that doesn't make sense? | ||
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On July 30 2015 08:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: To be serious, I already explained #1 but you just haven't wrapped your brain around it. As for #2, it's very simple. scott had a likely chance of being PR BEFORE he claimed. However, afterwards, he claimed he said that he had a green check on me. Now the strange thing about this is when you look at the timeline of things. Flexes said he'd make a post then went afk for more than 24 hours. HOWEVER, this means that he had to have put in an action without having followed up on his promise to post reads and not having been active for 24 hours. Which we all found strange because he was replaced by scott. EVEN RAYN pointed this out and we can see his flip flopping before the vote went through. n00bKing also pointed this out (like rayn) which is why he was saying that scott's claim was illogical. So for your simple brain to process #2: BEFORE CLAIM: - scott has likely chance of being PR AFTER CLAIM: - scott says he has green check on me - It's weird that Flexes was able to put in an action because he was inactive for more than 24 hours - scott could have been lying - n00bKing and rayn point this out AFTERWARDS: - no one counter claims -> means that scott has to be cop as weird as it may seem 1) you said that no one would check n00bking because he was universally town read. He out confirmed town rayn said that n00b was a good cop check. Our almost confirmed town reels said that n00b was mafia and also a good cop check. Sulfurus also called n00bking mafia. I said that n00bkung was playing weird. So you see, people did have a reason to check n00b. Nowhere did you explain why specifically rels couldn't be the cop, and why he specifically would not check n00bking. Even noobking said your post didn't explain it, but nice try. 2) Scott has a likely chance of being pr, but when he claims it's illogical because he put in a check? How would you have any idea what the situation around flexes was like. Only LS knows this. Shouldn't you be exstatic over the fact that you got green checked? Trying to pull the wifom card on this I could say it's just as likely that he put in a vote in. But sure, it's definitely worth lynching an un'ccd cop anyway because his claim was illogical. | ||
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On July 30 2015 08:56 MoosyDoosy wrote: Have you read all my posts ruXxar. Based on your #2 posting you haven't. If we listened to you then we should have lynched rayn too. Like your reasoning makes no sense. Except according to you(n00bking has yet to confirm that what you're saying is correct) noob already thought that Scott was cop, so why would he then say his claim is illogical? He should've been expecting it and be happy to see that he was right. | ||
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Stay strong town, we are on the cusp of winning this. N00bking + moosy last mafia. You can write that on my grave stone. | ||
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On July 30 2015 13:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: So you literally just read what I said wrong 3 times in a row and/or out of context. Like congrats. You're a good townie. No, he read it exactly the same way as me, and he's on point. | ||
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On July 30 2015 07:09 n00bKing wrote: He never said he doesn't get that point. He just doesn't touch on it. Maybe he thought that part didn't need to be mentioned. You know...because it's common sense. Gee, I guess I shouldn't talk about that, huh? Did you forget AGAIN that only Scum could be sure there won't be another Cop claim? If you want to claim Scum, there are easier ways to do it. How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. | ||
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On July 30 2015 07:18 n00bKing wrote: You don't even know what he's saying in that post. But don't worry, if you want to scumread him for it, he'll probably oblige you himself. Back to work. Later, fools! What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. | ||
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^^. Think i'll play another 13 man mafia, more fun than the big games. Maybe thinking of the cannon game. Looks interesting with new rules! The desert mafia game is also tempting, but not so full yet. I'm just hoping to be able to flow from 1 game to the next without waiting too long inbetween | ||
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On July 31 2015 01:25 MoosyDoosy wrote: We all knew that scott had a chance of being PR. It was stated multiple times by me and others as well. If you hadn't read it then you're doing a bad job as town. As to why we have a PR Rels, go to page 91 where I dunk ruXxar into the ground but he runs away because he can't refute my points there. Yeah I ran away On July 30 2015 09:12 ruXxar wrote: I'm signing out for the night guys. Stay strong town, we are on the cusp of winning this. N00bking + moosy last mafia. You can write that on my grave stone. | ||
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On July 31 2015 01:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: So according to Rels, n00bKing is Mafia because he tried hard to defend Tictock while according to Breshke I'm Mafia because I didn't do much to defend Tictock besides saying he's going to flip town. k carry on Wrong. | ||
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On July 31 2015 01:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: Unfortunately your argument against n00bKing is all refutable. Your only good point is #4 but ruXxar was the one to ask that question and neither of us wish to answer questions from ruXxar for reasons stated before and as clearly demonstrated in Page 91. As for Point #5, you're guilty of that as well so you can't really say that without being hypocritical. That's fine. This game is already over for me. Just the formalities left at this point. | ||
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10$ directly to your paypal if you can give me an explanation moosy. | ||
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It's not the fact that he defend tictock. It's the way he defended him, which you failed to mention at all. | ||
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On July 31 2015 01:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: Good. In that case why don't you be gracious and not be a dick? I'm trying to hold my anger in but you're not helping. Thank you. What's up moosy old buddy? | ||
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On July 31 2015 01:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: Good. In that case why don't you be gracious and not be a dick? I'm trying to hold my anger in but you're not helping. Thank you. Real talk though moosy. I have no ill feeling towards you. I still love playing with you. Next game we're gonna wreck scum ok? <3 | ||
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On July 31 2015 01:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: Next game you're going to tunnel in on me again. This is my second game as townie with you and you still tunnel in on me. This is my standard townie play. If you think I'm scum for it you're going to think I'm scum for it in our next game. No moosy. I know you have to say this not to go against your win condition, but I know your playstyle, and you play different as town. Being afk all day 1 and ad hom attacks? That's not you moosy, you are better than that and I know it. I know you have a lot of respect for n00bking from our first game, I also have a ton of respect for n00bking. I'm not going to hold this game against you both. I know you have to do dirty things as mafia. Believe me, I hate rolling mafia too. I thought it would be fun, but no, it's boring as shit. I won't tunnel on you next game if you are town moosy. I do have a lot of respect for you and being part of my first mafia game you will always hold a special place in my heart. I still remember your insane accurate read of me in the first game, I had tears in my eyes when I read how you were describing my mentality. I had goosebumps knowing that you could read me like that. Someone that actually gets me. Well moosy, I've said before how this game makes you do shitty stuff, and for me personally it feels really unnatural to say these things since it's nothing like my personality in real life. So yeah, that's my lifestory. I hope we both roll town next game and we'll tag team fuck up those scums <3. | ||
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On July 31 2015 01:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: Yes. Rels is saying that n00bKing defended Tictock too hard. Which for some reason you have a problem with. Here's the problem moosy, let me make it clear: 1) YOU say that n00bking KNEW that scott was cop. 2) WHEN scott claims cop, n00king STILL wants to vote for him when he is un-CC'd. So either you're wrong about n00bking, or n00bking is doing something completely illogical and against town win condition. | ||
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On July 31 2015 02:07 MoosyDoosy wrote: I already explained this before you went to sleep. I even quoted how rayn was thinking the same thing and quoted his posts where he was saying the same thing is n00bKing. The difference is that Rayn didn't KNOW that scott was cop beforehand, which you say that n00bking did. | ||
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On July 31 2015 02:05 n00bKing wrote: Rels doesn't use logic. Rels is immune to logic. ruXxar posted a "TownShield" and Rels has a "LogicShield." On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. | ||
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On July 31 2015 02:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: 1) I said that we all knew that scott had a possibility of being PR. Obviously after scott claimed we know he's a cop now. 2) This was already explained and I quoted where even rayn had the same thought process. 1) Wrong. I had NO IDEA or SUSPICIONS that scott was cop. Please QUOTE where EVERYONE suspected that scott was a PR. Thank you. | ||
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On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. | ||
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On July 31 2015 02:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: Well then, of course not you. What I meant to say was everyone who read my posts about how scott could be a PR and stopped to think for a moment and used their brains. EVERYONE WHO SUSPECTED SCOTT WAS COP BASED ON MOOSYS POSTS PLEASE REPORT IN. IT'S YOUR TOWN DUTY. Thank you. | ||
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On July 31 2015 02:23 ruXxar wrote: EVERYONE WHO SUSPECTED SCOTT WAS COP BASED ON MOOSYS POSTS PLEASE REPORT IN. IT'S YOUR TOWN DUTY. Thank you. I can't wait for the overwhelming response to this | ||
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On July 31 2015 02:31 n00bKing wrote: ruXxar, you can ask me to act against the Town's interests all you want. But I told you that I won't. WHICH YOU ALREADY DID BY WANTING TO VOTE FOR OUR UN'CC'D COP?!! I'm going to spam this until you answer. IDGAF. @ N00bking On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. | ||
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On July 31 2015 02:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: If no one responds that means no on read or no one thought. Which is bad for town in both ways. I'm pretty sure rayn caught on based on his posts but he's dead so I guess he can't help me out. It means that your premise is completely false and your conclusions based on it are wrong. | ||
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On July 31 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote: MoosyDoosy has effectivly been Modkilled and I will do a flip for him at the Night Post. Stay strong people. This is mafia's last ditch effort to save n00bking. They knew they are screwed anyway, so this is their last desperate attempt. | ||
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On July 31 2015 02:05 n00bKing wrote: Rels doesn't use logic. Rels is immune to logic. ruXxar posted a "TownShield" and Rels has a "LogicShield." On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. | ||
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On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. I don't like being ignored. | ||
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On July 31 2015 03:38 n00bKing wrote: All you've done is ignore the good arguments posted by people like Ticktock and Moosy and myself, and instead focus on your own misguided notions, blinding yourself to everything that is actually going on in the game. If you think I'm going to town read you for ignoring my questions you're misguided. | ||
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On July 31 2015 03:44 n00bKing wrote: Proper Town play is for me to ignore your questions. To answer them would be counterproductive. Remember how I said that already? Like I said, just because YOU are acting against the Town's interests, and just because you're asking ME to act against the Town's interests, does NOT mean I'm going to do it. I don't need to be Townread by you. There is no reason for anyone to care what you think. And will be all the less reason, if/when Moosy flips Town. Ok then. get lynched my friend. I was holding out hope that maybe somehow there was a tiny chance I was wrong about you. Thanks for saving me the effort. | ||
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On July 31 2015 03:45 n00bKing wrote: Like, what kind of productive Town player uses threats and blackmail against another player, to try and extract information that should not be made public anyway? lol A player that wants to find the truth and will not be stopped by any means. | ||
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On July 31 2015 03:53 n00bKing wrote: lol, you guys are unreal. "It's obviously n00bKing and Ticktock! Get 'em!" [Ticktock flips Town] "Errr...wait...it's obviously n00bKing and Moosy! Get 'em! Moosy GF and n00bKing RB! Ship it!" [Moosy gets himself Mod-Killed, and will flip Town] "Errr...wait...well, whatever. It's obviously n00bKing and the Easter Bunny! Get 'em!" Seriously, I cannot wait to see who you try to pair with me next, you monkey. Monkey eh? seems like my intelligence is steadily devolving. I'm trying to be graceful here and give you an out. I'm practically BEGGING you to prove me wrong. Yet you refuse to answer simple questions that in no uncertain terms would help clarify your position. If you are town, then your primary objective is to not get lynched. There is nothing you can say that is so damaging to town that we will lose 100% from the current position. Absolutely nothing. So how about you answer my questions hmm? | ||
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On July 31 2015 04:06 n00bKing wrote: <.< >.> You WILL be PROVEN wrong, when Moosy flips Town. There is no way you can possibly know this, when you don't know what the answer is. How about NO. (Note that if I were Scum and trying not to be lynched, I would not refuse to answer. I would make up an answer if I never had one in mind. But more likely, I would have always had one in mind. Only a TOWN player dares to refuse to answer here.) If moosy is town then he deserved to get lynched for siding with scum anyway. Let me think how anything you say will lose use the game 100%... Nope, I got nothing. Very classy to bring up your own logic about what town would do as you're doing it | ||
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Rayn is confirmed veteran. There are no power roles left besides Vigi or cop. And if you're neither, then nothing you say about PRs is going to make us lose at this point. So how about you answer my questions? | ||
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On July 31 2015 04:19 n00bKing wrote: FALSE. How about NO. Because I'm Town-T-Town-Town-Town, and you can't get me to make a mistake. W H Y I S I T F A L S E? A N S W E R. M Y Q U E S T I O N S. | ||
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On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. | ||
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On July 31 2015 04:30 n00bKing wrote: Kinda really depends on whether Scott gets counterclaimed, hmm? Counted claimed by who?! Certainly not you. On July 29 2015 05:55 n00bKing wrote: Things got interesting while I was at lunch! How come no one is talking about the fact that Scott didn't enter the game until the beginning of Day 2? If Flexes never came back to make the post that he promised, isn't it strange that he would have turned in a Night Action? (during a Phase where he never posted at all, if I'm not mistaken?) If someone else is the real Cop, should they counterclaim Scott here? (My thinking is yes) On July 29 2015 05:56 n00bKing wrote: Ditto if there is a real Vigilante out there. That would also make Scott a fake Cop, don't forget. On July 29 2015 06:32 n00bKing wrote: I will say again, if anyone out there is a Vigilante, that is still a counterclaim against Scott, because the setup precludes the possibility of having both. (Outing myself as being neither of those roles, but I don't think it matters anymore.) | ||
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Pack it up. | ||
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On July 31 2015 04:40 n00bKing wrote: lol You didn't pack it up before we started, rux? <3 | ||
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On July 31 2015 05:03 disformation wrote: Okay. There is a super crazy tinfoil hat wearing world in which n00bKing kinda makes sense... maybe that was what MoosyDoosy saw? Aaaaand I see why n00bKing would not be fond of explaining it... -.- Not fond of that play tbh. But whatevs, can be talked into giving n00bKing a day. Sooo... as proposed earlier: ##vote NocturneMage Next few days (Friday,Saturday,Sunday) will be a bit tight for me. Will try to be around as much as I can. Will still look at n00bKing's filter later today. What world is that? Explain. | ||
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On July 31 2015 05:26 disformation wrote: Well. I think he is going for an incredible flashy and greedy kind of play here. And optimally he doesn't want that scum knows/guesses what he is going to do. Which is why he dodges some of the questions. I am not 100% sure what he is trying to do here myself to be completely honest. And I don't think I am fond of this kind of strat. But whatever. I think we could give him 1 day. Might want to change that opinion after rereading his filter though. =p Greedy play how? Do you think he's a PR? | ||
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On July 31 2015 05:36 disformation wrote: who knows. *shrugs* @n00bKing: If you want to make some crazy plays while it is still D3, I'd suggest not waiting too long. As mentioned in: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490503-newbie-student-mafia-xiii?page=99#1973 I won't be around as much the next three days, so I might miss stuff that goes down last minute or something... Let me explain why n00bking is NOT a PR. If he was a PR, then he would've counter-claimed scott yesterday. This is why: 1) We would've lynched mafia!scott, and we would've been down to 1 mafia. 2) He would've saved Town!TicTock. Are you going to tell me that if he's a PR he DOESNT make this play? | ||
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If you can save your 100% certain town read with a counter claim, and lynch scum, do you NOT DO IT?!!! | ||
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He is scum, and you're making the right choice by lynching him. | ||
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On July 31 2015 05:43 n00bKing wrote: I'm not a PR, ruXxar. Now shut up. On July 31 2015 04:23 ruXxar wrote: W H Y I S I T F A L S E? A N S W E R. M Y Q U E S T I O N S. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:02 ruXxar wrote: How about you do talk about it. Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no? It's a simple question. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. On July 30 2015 16:04 ruXxar wrote: What IS he saying in that post then? Give me your interpretation of it. | ||
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On July 31 2015 05:43 n00bKing wrote: I'm not a PR, ruXxar. Now shut up. No shit. So why are you talking about counter claims. Answer my questions. | ||
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On July 31 2015 05:49 Damdred wrote: Shut the he'll up. Moose is going to flip town and I actually think,noob will to. Which means final,two scum are sulf and mages. Mages today just trust me Nope. | ||
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On July 31 2015 05:53 Damdred wrote: Your just being bad literally there is no way mafia moose mod kills himself so,mafia partner noob is alone. n00b is mafia regardless of moosy's alignment. | ||
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On July 31 2015 05:53 Damdred wrote: Like this is the opposite way town should act hunting scum. I don't care? Vote for me if you don't like what I'm doing. | ||
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On July 31 2015 05:56 disformation wrote: Dunno. This stuff is starting to confuse me. In all seriousness n00bKing I would really prefer for you to talk more plainly. Like it is apparent that you know something or have something planned, but with all this dancing around the stuff I can see why ruXxar would think you are scum. ruXxar is full on tunneling now. Prolly confirm. bias, too. I told him I'm not going to townread him unless he starts answering my questions. Why do you think I keep repeating them? | ||
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On July 31 2015 05:55 Damdred wrote: Like really though noob doesn't care if he lives or dies this is more town oriented. Doesn't care how People view him,this is more town,oriented. He's just town here Look damdred. Tell me truthfully: I asked n00b to explain his comment on rels, I failed to understand it. I asked moosy to explain it, he failed to do so. You asked moosy to explain it. 1) Do you understand how what n00bking said about rels being cop and not checking him makes sense? 2) Why does n00bking keep talking about counterclaims and PRs? He's admitted he's not a PR, so what point is there? | ||
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On July 31 2015 04:30 n00bKing wrote: Kinda really depends on whether Scott gets counterclaimed, hmm? | ||
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On July 31 2015 06:06 Damdred wrote: So? Like Scott was scummy does a claim make someone not scummy? It makes him CONFIRMED TOWN. You even said so. On July 31 2015 05:58 Damdred wrote: Um no Scott is confirmed tow don't even think,that On July 31 2015 06:00 Damdred wrote: Literally it doesn't matter that we have a real cop or Scott might be fake. He was rb no one else was scum won't hold rb with a cop going around. Why would n00bking still have a reason to think that anyone would counter claim scott?!! | ||
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On July 31 2015 06:18 n00bKing wrote: Seriously Damdred, at least confirm for ruXxar that what I said about how Rels wouldn't check me if he was the Cop DOES make sense. Never again should I have to hear anyone say that I could have been afraid Rels was the Cop and was going to turn in a check on me, after what Rels said during the Night Phase. At LEAST shut down that talk for good. Yes damdred. Please explain this statement: n00bKing wrote: lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."? Seriously, your refusal to use reason and common sense is driving me crazy. Just STOP posting for a little while, THINK about what you've just said, and come back later. | ||
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On July 31 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote: There is actually at least one other direction that either of them flipped Red could lead in, besides to the other. I've posted what I feel are a lot of good reasons to think Sulfurus is Scum. After performing the NocturneMage analysis, I'll see if he might leapfrog Sulfurus, but I'm not confident that he will. Still, since there are votes on Mage and not on Sulfurus, I'll put this here for now. ##Vote: NocturneMage Town Case on n00bKing still coming today before bed. Analysis on Breshke and Mage tomorrow (as long as Ruxtard and Relstard don't infuriate me to the point where I also pull a Moosy). You said rels was making up a lie to try and get nocturne lynched. Now you want to lynch nocturne. How does that work out? | ||
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On July 31 2015 08:24 ruXxar wrote: You said rels was making up a lie to try and get nocturne lynched. Now you want to lynch nocturne. How does that work out? You're indirectly saying that scum!rels bussed scum!nocturne based on his first post in the thread, and went as far as making up a lie to get him lynched. I don't believe that for 1 second. | ||
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On July 31 2015 08:28 n00bKing wrote: Wrong. I said Rels made up a lie to cover for his self-contradiction. Didn't have anything at all to do with Mage. Which he made to cover a up a contradiction he made when trying to push scum on nocturne. Of course it had something to do with mage. | ||
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On July 31 2015 08:34 n00bKing wrote: No, it doesn't. Who he was pushing at the time is irrelevant to whether he contradicted himself, and irrelevant to whether he covered it up with a lie. But I suppose you "don't get it." Yes it does. Because it means that you believe scum!rels was bussing scum!nocturne day 1 as soon as he came into the game. And now you're voting for the person that your scum read was trying to bury. | ||
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On July 31 2015 08:36 Damdred wrote: Literally noob isn't trying to survive but rather just do,what he wants that's town not scum. If n00b doesn't flip scum tonight I'll ask the mod to modkill me. You have my word. | ||
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On July 31 2015 08:44 n00bKing wrote: lol, no. It doesn't. I again wonder why you never think before you post. What does it mean when your hardest scum read is trying to bury another person? a) the attacked person is likely town b) the attacked person is likely mafia. Let me know when you figure it out. | ||
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On July 31 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote: I you do that I'll push a ban on you just like I am moose. Because this is totally detrimental to town play especially since. It's idiotic for noob as scum who's about to be lynched today but funneled people to doubt the cop claim. I'm fine with that. If I'm this bad at mafia at this point then I deserve a ban. Either way n00bking is going to be happy with joy with how much he said he wouldn't want to play with me again | ||
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On July 31 2015 09:17 Damdred wrote: Ruxxor get on mages,now Why? | ||
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He wants to suck us into a world where he is right and our opinions and criticisms are worthless. It's a very common technique employed by people trying to establish dominance. | ||
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On July 31 2015 22:18 Rels wrote: Are filters not working anymore. Its under the post. | ||
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Under people's post there is "Quote -> Report -> Filter" | ||
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Oh LOL. Didn't even think about that. | ||
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On July 31 2015 22:44 Rels wrote: Yeah but we should pressure him all the same. If he's town he will say his information. If he's mafia he will have to make one up, possibly slipping. I agree with at least one of NM or Sulfu being mafia though. Maybe both. Not having filter is soooooo horrible. Wanted to check if Breshke was on Sulfu's first mafia list. I think Breshke was town in this list right ? Just scroll up on this page, disformation quoted it. | ||
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I don't care what else he posts unless he answers my questions. He already said that he doesn't care if I town read him, so he can just die. | ||
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On July 31 2015 23:13 disformation wrote: Well. Problem is: I do not know how much time I am going to have today evening. Might just miss EoD or be on phone EoD. So I am not rally down to play some switcheroo games today. =/ And it currently looks like he is going to be lynched anyway? Like NM has to vote him at this point (which is NAI). So it will be 5-4 with n00bKing probably getting to those votes first? I would be rather nervous in n00bKing's place already. Also I fear that he is town and thinks that he IS playing to his win-con. Brainstorm with me for a second disformation. You said before that you could sort of understand the play that n00bking was going for. Could you give me any suggestions for what he could possibly be hiding at this point and why he would so that? | ||
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On July 31 2015 23:16 ruXxar wrote: Brainstorm with me for a second disformation. You said before that you could sort of understand the play that n00bking was going for. Could you give me any suggestions for what he could possibly be hiding at this point and why he would so that? Can anyone for that matter? | ||
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On July 31 2015 23:21 Rels wrote: No he's right on that, with two mislynches and two succesful lynches we win. On the NM + noobking team, I was having a hard time 'cause noobking said his two lynches were NM and Sulfu. And he's pushing NM right now. Rels you remember day 1 that n00bking wanted to lynch you above anyone else. You were trying to get nocturne lynched day 1 with your first big post. calling hims cum. Then look at this logic and why n00bking is voting for NM: On July 31 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote: What does it mean when your hardest scum read is trying to bury another person? a) the attacked person is likely town b) the attacked person is likely mafia. Let me know when you figure it out. If n00bking really thought you are scum, and he now votes for NM, then it means that he thinks you as scum bussed your scum partner nocturne immediately when you entered the game. I find that very unlikely mafia play, or what do you think? | ||
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On July 31 2015 23:29 disformation wrote: That was before Damdred reminded me that no one CCed the RB on scott today. Was thinking along the lines of n00bKing being a PR or having a super strong PR read on someone and going for the incredible greedy play of getting one more check in so he can out scott + his partner as the mafia team. And of course he doesn't want to tell so mafia can't just block/rb the true PR. But yeah that whole stuff makes little sense... maybe he wants mafia to think he knows something and force mafia to shoot him? For what reason? If he's town, what does he gain from getting himself shot? What could he possibly know that he couldn't share with us? There is nothing. | ||
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On July 31 2015 23:32 Rels wrote: I don't think he thinks I'm scum anymore so I don't see the problem. He was only forced to think you are town because no one counter claimed your role block claim. He didn't WANT to town-read you by his own free will. If he kept pushing you after that then he would look like an idiot. Just look at his post: On July 27 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote: Oh FFS. Seriously? Someone pleeeease counterclaim this block, or something. Then you don't understand how thinking works. In what world does Mafia Flexes think you are a Vigilante, and roleblock you because he's afraid that you're going to do EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE THE VIGILANTE?? And in what world does Mafia n00bKing think that you are a Cop, and roleblock you because he's afraid that you're going to do EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE THE COP?? If the roleblock goes uncountered, then you're right on the edge of being completely confirmed Town. And yet you're STILL actively playing against the Town's win condition, by putting forth reasoning like this, and setting the stage for a mislynch on me. Actually, for me to ignore your scummy request is not suspicious at all. For you to MAKE your scummy request, that is what's suspicious. As I said, you're right on the cusp of being confirmed Town. But continue to push things that have EXCLUSIVELY scum motivation. Why would a Town player EVER ask me to cut the explanation of your lie down to 1 sentence, when I have already so thoroughly explained it through the use of more sentences? You're asking me to intentionally use poor communication, instead of good communication. If that's not scummy, nothing is, because it invites my words to be misinterpreted, or worse. You want a 1 sentence explanation of how I know with absolute certainty that you lied? Looks like this: You said that he thought long and hard before making the post, instead of being free of mind and just posting what he felt, and then said that you never said his remarks required thought, and admitted that his remarks are off-the-cuff instant reactions. There you go. Your positions are incompatible with one another. And you could have admitted that you made a mistake instead of telling the lie, or you could have tried to say that it only looks like a lie because you changed your mind. But you never did. You only stood by the lie, and defended the lie. Now, IF you are Town, then start talking like someone who at least has SOME minimal amount of interest in achieving the Town's win condition. And if you CAN'T help me achieve the Town's win condition, then at the very least, GET OUT OF THE WAY. | ||
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On July 31 2015 23:40 Rels wrote: I agree his read change of me was weird. And I think everybody knows how bad I found his constant pushing of me. But now he's town reading me (I think), so I have no problem with him pushing NM. When did he ever call you town? He only stopped pushing you because he couldn't anymore. I don't remember him ever calling you town or putting you on a town list. | ||
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On July 31 2015 23:49 Rels wrote: When asked about his lynch list he didn't put me in. If he tried to put you in his lynch list I would think he's an idiot for trying to lynch confirmed town. Would you not think the same? No one would try to lynch you because you are basically 99% confirmed town. No one is going to put you in their lynch list, town or scum. | ||
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He knows he has 0% chance of lynching you, and there is no point in pushing you anymore, even if he thinks you are scum. He would not put you on a lynch list because he would look like an idiot if he did. | ||
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On July 31 2015 23:53 Rels wrote: You are saying noobking is scumreading me but didn't put me in his lynch list. Confirm ? I've seen no evidence to the contrary, so yes, I think the only reason he stopped pushing you was because you was un CC'd role block, not because you were town. | ||
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On July 31 2015 23:55 Rels wrote: So don't affirm he's scum reading me when he didn't state he did. He never said he STOPPED scum reading you. Show me evidence where he called you town. | ||
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On July 31 2015 23:55 Rels wrote: So don't affirm he's scum reading me when he didn't state he did. You think n00bking is going to say "I want to lynch rels who is un'cc'd roleblock because I think he's scum"? He would be shooting himself in the foot if he said that and lose all credibility. I even asked him what he thought about the idea of you being scum and claiming role block as mafia. This is what he said: On July 29 2015 03:54 n00bKing wrote: This occurred to me as well, but it's getting pretty deep into tinfoil hat territory. Also, if they didn't turn in a roleblock it might mean they didn't get any actions turned in at all. And instead of rayn being the target of the attack, there just wasn't an attack. I think this is only possible if Flexes is Rels' teammate. If Flexes ever flips Town, this possibility is pretty much wiped out. But if Flexes flips Red, I'm going to have to remember where I keep my tinfoil hat, and Rels is back on the menu. Maybe. So he doesn't think the role-block is fake. He can't call you scum without looking like an idiot. Being confirmed town because of game mechanics is not the same as thinking you are town because of your play. | ||
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I don't have a big problem with him voting NM here either, I just find it an unnatural reaction from him to want to lynch your scum read after calling you scum so hard. | ||
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On August 01 2015 00:08 Rels wrote: OK then attack his reasons to town read me. I agree his switch on me seems to be based on the rb only. BUT your orginal accusation was that it was weird that: - noobking scumread me - noobking scumread someone I've pushed The first part is not true, so you should drop it. Now if you want to do a post detailling exactly how his read on me is not logical, go ahead. Where did he town-read you? | ||
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On July 31 2015 17:37 n00bKing wrote: REASONS TO THINK N00BKING IS TOWN Like I said, ONE post. And I expect this will be the LAST time I compose any defense of myself. It'll take some hard work for anyone to come up with a NEW justification for how I can be scum, that isn't addressed in this post. So, since this could be the LAST time you see me defending myself, please read carefully. ruXxar, Rels, Scott, Sulfurus (whomever among you is Town)...let's see what kinds of responses you can muster. And if you find portions that can't be answered to, consider what that means. So this says to me that he doesn't have a town-read on you. | ||
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On August 01 2015 00:17 Rels wrote: He didn't mention me when asked about his lynch list. Maybe he doesn't townread me, but he's not scumreading me in his posts. Maybe he does in his head but I don't think you can prove that. I know I can't prove that. But I find it to be a reasonable assumption. Only a stupid person would put you on their lynch list after the RB claim, and n00bking is not stupid. | ||
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Sulfurus I read as town earlier, but he hasn't done much since then. If I didn't know sulfurus from playing with him earlier I would've slam dunk scum-read that guy in no time. A lot of my town-read on him is due to meta. Scott is bleh, but I believe his claim. Breshke is meh, Damdred is meh, disformation is meh. (meh = town leans). Rels is super town and has been shining town for me all game. That's where I am at right now. Haven't had time to re-read filters on everyone since I was focused on n00bking but yeah. Tomorrow I'm probably going to vote for mages unless something else turns up. Will also pressure sulf, he can only coast on that town-read for so long without doing anything. | ||
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It's too spacey for me. Also quotes are like so hard to read, they're almost invisible. | ||
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On August 01 2015 01:15 ruXxar wrote: Actually thinking about it, if n00bking flips town then I think sulf is like 100% mafia. Actually nah, I just said this without thinking. | ||
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On August 01 2015 01:17 disformation wrote: Yeah this grey on grey is not great. xD Also disliking some other details, but overall I think it looks pretty nice. Also gz on your tank. Will leave work in a few mins. Will sporadically check via phone. Hope I will be back before EoD, but might miss it. GL town, we kinda need it. xD We'll be fine. We're far away from lylo and this game seems pretty cut and dry. The only people I'm scared of now is damdred and breshke. If they are somehow scum I'm afraid Im going to lose to them. Oh and also the genius play of rels being mafia claiming RB on himself. But that is like... yeah he can win this game if he did that | ||
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On August 01 2015 01:22 n00bKing wrote: So...game is broken? Completing 2 and 3 on my To-Do list would be ridiculously difficult without filters. Cough up the dough broski. TL+ represent. | ||
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On August 01 2015 01:26 n00bKing wrote: "Why do you never think before posting?" I haven't tried to scumread Rels at all since the roleblock went uncountered. And ever since he announced the roleblock, I said that I expected it WOULD go uncountered, because I couldn't think of a reason for him to fakeclaim the roleblock if anyone else had been roleblocked instead. The only way he can fakeclaim the roleblock is if no one was roleblocked, and that makes very little sense in a setup that has a Veteran in it. I think a fake RB claim by mafia is the optimal play. Getting yourself confirmed town is worth it over the chance of hitting veteran in the night 99% of the time IMO. I would make that play every.single.time if I had thought of it. Only time I wouldn't make that play is that if I had a strong suspicion of someone going to cop check me. But meh, living in that world of optimal scum play is tinfoil hatty. I'm going to make that play next time I roll scum in a similar setup, so look out for that | ||
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On August 01 2015 01:29 n00bKing wrote: I don't know how much that costs. But whatever it is, it's a lot more than the amount I care about this game. A lot of Breshke's posts tended to be made in "batches" so I'll see if I can find a couple of those batches and still do an analysis on him. Mage's posts were also sometimes in batches, but not as much as Breshke's were. Still, finding a couple of his batches could help me too. I did read the filter for each of those players before the filters went down, so I knew what my opinions were of the posts. I just need the posts to remind me of which ones made an impression, and so that I can make quotes from them. Here I'll help you guys out. all the filters as html in a zip file: http://expirebox.com/download/e514ca329cdad988aa6fe203ba5642f9.html | ||
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On August 01 2015 01:35 Damdred wrote: I fake claim getting rb all the time as scum, but I always block the person in shooting lol That's a very good point and 100% true. Which is another argument for why rels is town. | ||
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On August 01 2015 01:42 ruXxar wrote: Here I'll help you guys out. all the filters as html in a zip file: http://expirebox.com/download/e514ca329cdad988aa6fe203ba5642f9.html I hope you guys use this, it works great! . *begs for cred puppey eyes* | ||
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On August 01 2015 01:34 Damdred wrote: Actually its never optimal play letting cops get checks for free and holding rb. Noob is town just trust me. I'm a good player mages+sulf makes a ton of sense. I won't stop you from trying to lynch them after n00b. | ||
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On August 01 2015 01:54 Damdred wrote: Your literally wrong on noob I think. And rels should switch before mages comes in and hammers him shrug I don't think I am. Anway look at it this way: We have 2 mislynches left. If n00b is a mislynch, we have 1 mislynch left and the next lynches are most likely mages and sulf. There's like no way we lose as town unless the last scum are you and disformation. | ||
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If n00b flips scum then I think nocturne is town. | ||
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On August 01 2015 02:03 Damdred wrote: That's not true at all honestly. Breshke could still be mafia, sulf could be mages could be. Noobs not scum I'm pretty sure. Sooo yeah its not easy as you think and lining up lynched is stupid. Tunneling on one person is stupid and not paying attention to the rest of the game. You are saying mages is probably scum but you won't vote and id noob ai town give scum all the power of deciding to hammer a town This is where I'm at right now: | N00bking | ------------------------------------------------------------------| mage | ---- | sulf / breshke | | ||
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On August 01 2015 02:03 Damdred wrote: That's not true at all honestly. Breshke could still be mafia, sulf could be mages could be. Noobs not scum I'm pretty sure. Sooo yeah its not easy as you think and lining up lynched is stupid. Tunneling on one person is stupid and not paying attention to the rest of the game. You are saying mages is probably scum but you won't vote and id noob ai town give scum all the power of deciding to hammer a town I'd love to agree with you, but n00bking has literally refused to allow me to town-read him by denying me the information I would require to do so. You should tell n00bking to answer my questions if you want me to vote for someone else. | ||
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On August 01 2015 02:15 Damdred wrote: What's the mafia motivation in saying fuck you to the people voting them and getting themselves killed If he tried to explain it he would look even worse in the eyes of those who already town read him. | ||
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On August 01 2015 02:15 Damdred wrote: What's the mafia motivation in saying fuck you to the people voting them and getting themselves killed Like right now, it doesn't matter what motivation scum has or hasn't. What matters is that he has to convince the people voting on him to change their vote or he's toast. I've clearly outlined what he has to do to begin that process. Whether he wants to partake or not is completely his choice alone. | ||
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On August 01 2015 02:15 Damdred wrote: What's the mafia motivation in saying fuck you to the people voting them and getting themselves killed Also, it doesn't make sense as either alignment. Both town and scum should to live here, so what he's doing is illogical from both perspectives. | ||
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There is no secret information that he could reveal right now that would lose us the game. Absolutely none. If he tried to make up something he would look bad. If he claimed cop he would look bad. He's not answering because he has no answer to give and he just made up this "damaging town" wifom to make us doubt his lynch. | ||
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On August 01 2015 02:53 Damdred wrote: Lol ok ruxxor. Completely tunneled look at what you said to me. If he would answer you and five you what you want you might vote someone else. And he doesn't do that he's not playing to survive it doesn't matter because you won't listen to me Look at it from the other side. Look at town motivation: Why would town lie or hide information if it will help them survive and lynch scum? n00bking has the power in his hands to lynch what he and a lot of other people believe is scum. He's refusing to do that for what reason exactly? Town has no reason to hide any information at this point. None. Tell me a reason why town would hide information at this point damdred. Please I beg you. | ||
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On August 01 2015 03:10 Damdred wrote: Because they are spiteful and bot helpful? Town does things like that all the time. town lies, hides etc., There are hundreds of reasons and it doesn't make someone mafia at all. Those are not good reasons at all. Why does he keep posting? His posting is basically useless because he's not trying to convince us to not lynch him. If he's town he should want to do 2 things: #1) Don't get lynched. #2) Lynch scum. If you think he's town you should be mad at him for not trying to accomplish town win condition. | ||
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On August 01 2015 03:10 Damdred wrote: Because they are spiteful and bot helpful? Town does things like that all the time. town lies, hides etc., There are hundreds of reasons and it doesn't make someone mafia at all. So you're saying it's ok for town to lie and hide information? You're joking right? | ||
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On August 01 2015 03:20 Damdred wrote: Its just simple facts, town does it every game be it they care to much about being caught. Can't remember everything they say and or can't explain it. It doesn't matter what he says or explains to you rux you will say he's mafia no matter what. Just admit it. Wow damdred... wow. I can't believe you're saying this. My mafia radar is going through the roof right now. You're saying it's ok for town to lie and hide information. CONFIRM?! | ||
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On August 01 2015 03:27 Damdred wrote: Its simple fact, town lies and hides more than mafia. Town just says whatever the hell they want and tries to explain it ad they gom Mafia does get caught in stories but different. Ruxxors being an idiot ... I have no words for this post. | ||
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On August 01 2015 03:22 ruXxar wrote: Wow damdred... wow. I can't believe you're saying this. My mafia radar is going through the roof right now. You're saying it's ok for town to lie and hide information. CONFIRM?! Can I get a yes or no damdred? Is it ok for town to lie and hide information? | ||
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On August 01 2015 03:31 Damdred wrote: If you can't handle simple truths idk what to say to you, its horrible but town lie all the time. sits just how it is shrug Congratulations, you just moved up to my #2 scum slot after n00bking. | ||
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On August 01 2015 03:34 Damdred wrote: Yeah your an idiot. Its just the truth town lie and you are horrible both are true. Can you confirm that you think it's fine for town to lie and hide information on purpose. I just want a simple yes or no. | ||
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On August 01 2015 03:35 n00bKing wrote: And by the way, that Town Case that I posted on myself? Yeah, you have not made even a HALF-ASSED attempt at refuting it. So you continue to vote against me, without even TRYING to come up with any ways that it is still possible for me to be Scum. You didn't address my concerns. | ||
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On August 01 2015 03:42 Damdred wrote: Yeah I never said if it was ok or not and I won't. Its just the truth Scum. | ||
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On August 01 2015 03:43 n00bKing wrote: What concerns? Whatever they might be, they can't be an excuse for you continuing to vote against me without trying to address the Town Case at all. That's just you being a Rels (Rels - noun - shitty teammate) Look through my filter and you may or may not find questions that I repeated more than once that you refused to answer. | ||
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On August 01 2015 03:55 Damdred wrote: You just can't handle the truth and when you figure out that town contradicts themselves, hide information and lie you will become a better player. Instead of mired in tunnels On August 01 2015 03:38 ruXxar wrote: Can you confirm that you think it's fine for town to lie and hide information on purpose. I just want a simple yes or no. Just give me a simple yes or no answer damdred. It's not hard. Can you do that for me, pretty please? | ||
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On August 01 2015 04:00 n00bKing wrote: Just because you have questions doesn't make them concerns that I can address without actually answering the questions. (And I should not answer the questions yet.) Your questions are no excuse for you to vote against me without trying to refute the Town Case on me. Is there any reason why the Town Case doesn't explain that I can't be Mafia? If you're not going to answer my questions then I have nothing more to say to you. | ||
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On August 01 2015 04:03 Damdred wrote: I gave my answer if you don't like it oh well its just facts doesn't matter my opinion or thoughts on the matter. But I'll admit I've lied plenty of times as town shrug. Yes or no damdred. Yes or no. That's all I want from you right now. | ||
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On August 01 2015 04:04 Damdred wrote: Noob just reveal the important information before I have to go to work please Listen to damdred n00bking. | ||
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On August 01 2015 04:13 n00bKing wrote: What important information is Damdred talking about, ruXxar? I'm sure it isn't the answers to your stupid questions that you SHOULDN'T BE ASKING. Ask him. Ask damdred what he's talking about. | ||
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On August 01 2015 05:41 Damdred wrote: Hold up a minute. So your #1 scum read switches and you call him a hero noob. No on is sulfs #1 scum and he switches to save him? Just give it up. If people haven't realized that n00bking is scum by now they deserve to lose. There's nothing more to say on the subject. | ||
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If nocturne flips scum you can lynch me tomorrow and I won't even be mad. | ||
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Tell me why I'm scum and I'll defend myself. | ||
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On August 01 2015 06:06 Damdred wrote: No, no we don't. You guys don't understand that moosey mid killing himself basically fucked town to an extent. Now sulf is 100% voting with his #1 scum read and no one is batting an eye. So please Ruxxor rels disinformation switch with me and let's kill sulf Vote for n00bking he is scum. I've told you this already. | ||
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The scum is n00bking and Damdred. | ||
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On August 01 2015 01:42 ruXxar wrote: Here I'll help you guys out. all the filters as html in a zip file: http://expirebox.com/download/e514ca329cdad988aa6fe203ba5642f9.html | ||
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On August 01 2015 06:59 Sulfurus wrote: CHANGE YOUR FUCKING VOTES!!! You fucked up sulfurus. You were voting on scum and then you threw the game. Blame yourself. | ||
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So washed out. Anything barely pops out. | ||
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Don't even bother. Go look elsewhere. | ||
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On August 01 2015 10:32 disformation wrote: Bah. Am I not even allowed to be paranoid here? Fine... Sure you are, but it's never rels here, exactly for the reason that breaker explained here, and I think damdred mentioned earlier. If you're going to fake claim a RB as mafia then you ab so fucking lutely RB your NK target. If you took the time to think about a fake claim, then you definitely know to RB your NK target. | ||
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This profile does not at all fit with rels situation at that time. | ||
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On August 01 2015 10:47 ruXxar wrote: The only time you don't rb your nk target is if there is some really large chance that you're going to get cop checked and you have a very strong suspicion of who the cop is. This profile does not at all fit with rels situation at that time. Realized this didn't make any sense after I posted it. | ||
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I don't get it... I feel like I should just stop playing mafia right now. | ||
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Those are the only 2 options. Everyone else can wait a day. | ||
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On August 01 2015 18:51 Rels wrote: OK. Sulfurus didn't have to switch to nm when noobking was on the lead if sulfu is mafia: town points. Noobking did a lot of work yesterday and his mysterious info is super believable: town points. I feel the last mafia has go be breshke or ruxxar. I need to reread disfo though. He has been confirmed town in my head all game since his early vote on Barakos. Will reread that. How is n00bkings mysterious info super believable? "I was waiting for the guy getting lynched to claim pr" That is the most bullshit I ever heard. | ||
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My win condition is with town so as long as you lynch n00bking after me, I don't care if I die. | ||
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On August 01 2015 22:36 disformation wrote: Not much time today either. =/ Will have more time again. starting tomorrow. But let us look at the votes: If I remember right, Damdred was on scum way earlier, but his first vote didn't count because of a typo. So we have ruXxar voting for town. And of course some of the ppl on barakos who could have easily bussed him. n00bKing was kinda late to this wagon, but he had some posts through the day indicating that he will switch to barakos, should he not show up. Genuine or setting up for the bus? Nocturne was on scott, lolz. A lot of very towny ppl were on TT... was scum at all on the TT wagon? There might not have been any need to. Left are ruXxar and n00bKing... Here we either have an incredible bus by Breshke or Sulfurus (don't really think so though). I am still on Sulf because my last minute vote didn't go through. Might make me look a bit worse for trying to get last minute town cred or something. Otherwise we are left with Rels, n00bKing and ruXxar. So yeah... unless Sulfurus or Breshke set up some really sick busses D1 AND D3 we are pretty much left with n00bKing or ruXxar. Shocking. Other opinions? Did I miss something? Correction to your second vote list: I was voting for tictock all day, the list is wrong. | ||
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On August 01 2015 22:54 disformation wrote: Uuuuh. Just got this idea while shower. This is a bit wifomy, but kinda makes sense in my head right now: Did you notice which scum role is left? roleblocker... So. Let us say n00bKing is the roleblocker. He just lost a teammate D1. His other teammate is not that active. He knows there is a vet and a cop in the game. Rels says he would check n00bKing if he is the cop. He panics and judges the danger of a potential redcheck on D2 to be higher than hitting the vet. He blocks Rels. D2 he notices he has screwed up badly and tries to invent a ploy, where he can spin this to his advantage. Unless he shows up with something incredible this night, I am inclined to think he is the scum rb, who did a huge mistake N1. You "just got this idea?" Rofl.... We've been discussing this for years. Welcome to the game breshke, enjoy your stay. | ||
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You lynch me. Then you lynch n00bking. Then you win the game. It's an idiot proof plan, impossible to fuck up. | ||
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On August 01 2015 23:46 disformation wrote: Can you make a case why we should lynch you first? Some people are still not convinced that n00bking is mafia. When I die he will the most likely scum left. So then you lynch him, easy. And if you still manage to fuck that up somehow I'll nominate you all for the darwin award of the year. | ||
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He's a nice guy! | ||
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On August 02 2015 07:37 n00bKing wrote: uhhh, nope. I've been a role with night actions in over a dozen games. Never once forgotten to turn my action in. The mechanical play is to lynch you, then lynch scott if you are town. Do you agree? | ||
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There's nothing more to discuss at this point. | ||
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On August 04 2015 07:54 NocturneMage wrote: For the townies that played on low post counts or limited time - I am looking at you Sulfurus, Scott, Breshke, how do you people make yourselves look town, or do the town reads take time? Posting off mobile is annoying as fuck sometimes but I really don't have a choice. Voting on scum really helps. Scott was a scum-read pretty much all game. Sulfurus only got town-read by me due to his meta. He had a completely different approach to the game than my previous game with him. Also fearless in his posting. Breshke was kinda meh for me all game, but his vote logic just put him in a good spot. His early vote on barakos bought him a lot of credit in my eyes. | ||
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Your response to barakos first post was really fishy. I expected you of all people to tear that post apart. Your push on rels was really silly. Your logic around rels being cop and who he would check was a big mess. Your refusal to answer my questions. It doesn't matter what cases you post on yourself. If you don't answer my questions I won't be town-reading you. How when Moosy tried to explain your logic, he completely missed, and your reaction was just "meh". That was a dead giveaway, and the following evasiveness in answering questions related to this. At the end you were REALLY obvious when you said "just vote for nocturne and something may or may not happen". That was so blatantly obvious I couldn't believe people didn't just instantly switch over to you. Damdred really helped you out and really pissed me off when he wouldn't answer my question about town lying. I couldn't comprehend how damdred didn't see immedieatly that n00bking was mafia from that, and the way damdred dodged my question was scummy as all hell in my eyes. | ||
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On August 04 2015 08:05 NocturneMage wrote: Meta. That word. Had I been town I wouldn't have trusted anyone who used "meta" as a reason to read people. I guess I need to play a few more games here lol. Yeah, don't listen to other people's meta reads, unless you really believe that the guy is town. Just make meta reads from your own experience with people, it requires a few games to figure out the small nuances. | ||
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On August 04 2015 08:11 Damdred wrote: I didn't dodge your question at all, I gave you the truthful answer me answering a yes or no question about a general subject doesn't help anything its just the way the game is played. What I really wanted to convey was if you endores/encouraged town to lie/hide information. I was reading your reply as as acceptance of town lying / hiding information on purpose, like n00bking was doing. | ||
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On August 04 2015 08:19 Damdred wrote: It honestly doesn't matter what I felt about the situation of lying or hiding information in pretty meh about the subject. I just don't think it makes anyone mafia being caught in a lie, townies want to inherently look good or they lose track and contradict themselves don't want to make themselves look bad etc. All these things happen much more often than town then they do scum. And even though noob was scum I don't think this argument made him scum. Like even your staunchest supporters in a nk lynch were willing to leave when he answered simple questions. This means the argument is flawed and other things are needed to get people to stick. The way he acted d2 is excellent et. And I would of lynched him with you for that but not for hiding information. It's not whether or not they lie, but that they keep lying and hiding information when asked to clarift and refuse to answer a question that cleary is bullshit. He kept saying how he had a "damaging reason" to not reveal why he thought the way he did about rels being cop. It was so convoluted that it didn't make sense at all. When asked to come forth with this information he simply refused. If he was town he had absolutely no reason to hide that information when asked for it. | ||
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He quite clearly was not interested in having a conversation, and instead resorted to trying to diminish my credibility. I think if I was not pushing n00bking so hard he would've had a fair shot at living at least a couple days more. I think breshke, me and sulfurus could've all been lynched before him. | ||
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On August 04 2015 08:24 geript wrote: The thing you need to understand is that bullshit questions do nothing. It doesn't matter if you're right. Like I can't sell you a beer based on the fact that they only buy hops at the end of summer from Nevada farms which use chick shit as a natural fertilizer. Bad arguments even if correct, don't sell your read. Mafia is a two part game. First reading the game/situation correctly and second selling your view of the game/situation so that other people buy it. I wasn't really interested interested in selling anything as much as I was in just people observing the way n00bking was responding to the pressure put on him. It was like dead obvious from my point of view that he was mafia, because his play made no sense at all from a meta standpoint of n00bking(and I have very high regard for town n00bking). | ||
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On August 04 2015 08:26 Damdred wrote: Town do extremely stupid things, and I was wrong for defending him bit I was extremely sure about my lynch that I was unable to push through the day before which had a large part to do with it. Geripts right he did get scummier as time passes and like I said you and rayn had a good read and mine came from looking at it after I lynched his partner shrug. But I still don't think the argument is strong enough, what would of happened if he would of answered in a coherent fashion? Rels would of fell off the wagon potentially and Scott possibly also. Well he tried and he actually convinced rels when he said that his secret information was that "he was waiting for nocturne to role claim", which was like the most BS reason ever. And the fact is that when no one else(and I asked everyone repeatedly to try to explain his logic) and I mean NO ONE was able to even come close to make sense of what he said, then he's either : 1) bad town with bad logic unwilling to admit he's wrong(shitty town / mafia sided town) 2) Mafia not wanting to lose town credibility to be able to push through lynches. | ||
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And I wasn't the only one to point it out, moosy did to. He was simply too warm and jovial, and in my own words: "town n00bking is like a shiny dodecahedron". That in itself doesn't make him mafia, but it makes him something else than town unless his meta shifted significantly since the last time we played. After that he just made illogical pushes that I in no way related to the sharp and logical mind of n00bking. It was my fault for not seeing the connection of him defending nocturne, and just saw it as him trying to attack rels. I only realized this after the fact that nocturne got lynched, but it should've been quite obvious. | ||
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On August 04 2015 08:36 geript wrote: 1. Don't use meta yet. 2. It's fine to want people to observe how he reacts. But you'll get more bang for your buck if you get both their observations of his reaction AND get to understand/absorb your reasons for scumreading him. Selling a read isn't easy, trust me I know. Quite often I have very good reads that I struggle to explain (when I'm not in the game); idk why it is but being an observer usually makes it easier to explain my reads. I know I didn't play my A game this game. I was pretty lazy and didn't feel like doing any big cases really. I don't know if that's just a natural trends as you play mafia you get less and less inclined to actually filter dive and post big cases and just go mostly off feeling and easily observable suspicious behaviors / vote logic etc. | ||
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On August 04 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote: As you get into more vet games you will find most huge cases get ignored because peoples attention can't be kept usually two paragraphs can get somone lynched #truth. I pretty much skimmed all the big posts and jus reds all the small ones. I'm going to practice on just being concise. Small direct posts seem to be key. The only reason to post big posts is so people will town read you for effort, not really the content. | ||
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Mafia mentality is "I gotta look town by making towns plays" Town mentality is "I'm town so i don't give a f what I say" Especially in my own mafia play I an way more mechanical instead of organic in my posting. Also, making honest reads on people is hard as mafia, which is why it's easier to just take a hard stance on someone. | ||
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I harbor no I'll will towards anyone for what they said or did in the game(moosy plz I love u <3) | ||
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On August 04 2015 21:38 NocturneMage wrote: Wouldn't mind the postgame chat but it's late for me as well. Thanks again for hosting LS, did not know it was your first time hosting, so sorry if I was spewing a bit much in the obs QT on the factional/deliverable kp. As for the modkill I was shaking my head, it was pretty dumb, obviously as mafia I wasn't complaining but to me, the way he acted just defied logic. I've seen enough toxic personalities and tunnels just reading other games, that's all just part of the game, and Moosy, if you think ruXxar was bad, well let's just say it's a good thing you didn't play Gaiden. I'm pretty sure the moderator of that game would have had a field day with you. What confused me the most was that I all the time thought that moosy got modkilled due to the fact he asked the host to get modkilled, and not due to the fact that he insulted me. The mod should always make it abundantly clear why someone got modkilled as to not reveal information pertinent to the alignment of the modkilled person. The way this modkill went down a lot of people perceived moosy to be town. And yeah, moosy is moosy. We have a love/hate relationship (love from my side, hate from his side LOL). Also for rels: I'm really happy we got to play again. Always love playing with you. You did really well this game, always reasonable and very good reads. I felt like you always listened but was also critical of information. You tried to see the best in people and their positive side, especially from n00bking when I was tunneling hard you tried to give him a chance. It's a good ability to have that you're able to re-evaluate the game. I hope we play again with you next game! I got a bit too tunneled, but I learned a lot from this. All my games of mafia I feel my playstyle has been completely different, a bit on purpose and a bit due to circumstances. I realized that after playing mafia I have to do a lot of my own work to make the game interesting, so I tried something different with the poetry crap(it was pretty bad I admit :p). Anyway, you only get out of the game what you put into it, and if you're not having fun you're not going to keep playing, so I prefer to make it interesting over just playing standard | ||
ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On August 04 2015 23:13 Damdred wrote: Ty for the compliemtn rels lol. However I think its wise for all of you newbies to realize something that the game doesn't continue after the last mafia/town are done with. There have been plenty of times when I have been super angry at Rayn/Marv/HF/Rsoulti/geript at points in the game ready to throw stuff at the screen and then we are best buddies outside the game or act like nothing has happened once the game is over. Its all about separation of the game vs other things, just because someone acted toxic this game doesn't mean they will the next or th enext. Nor does it mean if someone didn't really play that they won't play the next etc. and saying "I'm not going to play with this person again" is extremely petty even if they were really volitle this time. Give them another chance and forget about this game we won people act dumb. +1. Damdred knows I can sometimes be very acidic and borderline remarks. Especially as mafia I can tend to get upset because I thought it would give the impression of a stronger opinion and try to force through my opinions. It doesn't matter though. A lot of people called me stupid this game, not just moosy. It's a valid tactic to discredit people if that is your choice of playstyle,but not once does it ever carry over to outside the game. If you take things personally you're going to have a problem playing this game | ||
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