On August 30 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 12:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 30 2015 10:42 Trfel wrote: Why does justanothertownie place so much value in rsoultin's reads when rsoultin was (presumably) wrong on justanothertownie for most of Day 1 and justanothertownie spent much of the game talking about how terrible rsoultin is at this game? I don't think it's significant, but I don't like it? Sounds like you think rsoultin is/was full of shit. Besides her considering you scum, what do you disagree with and why? If you can't sufficiently answer this then you have no right to complain about how or where jat gets his reads from and you should be ashamed of yourself for raising a useless point (or should be scum). Jat, I'll leave it to you to actually answer this question though I suspect it's fairly straightforward. 1. The question isn't what I think of rsoultin's play/reads, the question is what justanothertownie thinks of rsoultin's play and reads. I'm glad that of all the things you could do, you chose to comment on something that I said is probably not significant. For your information, I left that there in case someone did find it significant, I don't care if you find it meaningless. Sick dodge bro. You're either tearing down a confirmed townies reads or your trying to call jat scum and I'm not sure which. Either way, I don't like what you're doing.
On August 27 2015 22:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote: Not sure if I want to lynch justanothertownie, but currently leaning towards no?
Don't really have time to filter dive right now.
I want to lynch Hopeless1der.
##vote Hopeless1der
Leaning towards town on MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes. Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:59 Trfel wrote:Reads from Trfel! + Show Spoiler [Pointless Fluff] +Yes, the section of my post marked "Pointless Fluff" is entirely necessary. You must read it. I've been listening to this song a lot over the past few days. I like it a lot. This one too. They're good songs, listen to them. It'll improve your scumhunting. Anyway, I'm kind of sad that I'm mostly able to play when most people are sleeping. How boring. So I'll just make a fancy list post. TownPalmar + Show Spoiler +I don't have a very good record of reading Palmar in the past. But I'm still pretty confident that Palmar is town here for the way he's been driven and focused. He's provided insightful comments and I like his push on justanothertownie. His tone also feels relaxed. I know this doesn't make him town, as he is capable of having a relaxed tone as mafia, but in this game his tone is most natural when he's giving reads on (arguably) harder-to-read players, which feels much harder to fake than normal relaxed tone. marvellosity + Show Spoiler +Marvellosity is definitely capable of tricking me, but I feel he's likely town here. If he isn't, it should be more clear in a few days, anyway.
Marvellosity feels more driven here than as mafia in Assassination Mafia, where he played well enough to avoid being lynched and have some thread presence, but was not above suspicion. Given how much he enjoys playing mafia, I wouldn't really expect him to increase his effort compared to that game. Town LeanMoosyDoosy + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 22:42 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2015 22:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: wait Marv what is your read on JAT? Like me, you didn't think his question was dumb The question wasn't the best question ever but I don't think the case on him is that good at the moment it comes down to that q and him not being "jatty" Yeah this. I don't really see much on JAT. If he's mafia, he'll still be mafia later in the day anyway. I think we should focus on Trfel rite now. On August 26 2015 22:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 22:45 rsoultin wrote:On August 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 26 2015 22:42 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2015 22:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: wait Marv what is your read on JAT? Like me, you didn't think his question was dumb The question wasn't the best question ever but I don't think the case on him is that good at the moment it comes down to that q and him not being "jatty" Yeah this. I don't really see much on JAT. If he's mafia, he'll still be mafia later in the day anyway. I think we should focus on Trfel rite now. truffle's probably town with the stipulation that he didn't make me laugh :/ I'd still like an answer to why he asked for an opinion on marv when there was literally almost nothing that marv had posted. I feel like it's getting punted to the side while people are trying to kill JAT. These posts don't really make sense. Why does he want to talk about me (Trfel), when all he wants is an answer to my question? That's not something he can get while I'm not present. He seems to realize that discussing me at this time doesn't help with anything, and doesn't mention me for quite some time. I don't find his interactions with WaveofShadow scummy. But this post: On August 26 2015 23:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 23:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Moosy you never substantiated on your wave!town read His willingness to call out rsoul and his direct manner when he posts. tone reads basically is all wrong. The majority of WaveofShadow's posts at this point were jokes. He never called rsoultin out, and jokes can't really be seen as having a direct manner. The only things he directly committed to are finding scum and voting for marvellosity (which clearly wasn't a hard commitment, as expected). This post doesn't make much sense. I would like an explanation from MoosyDoosy (tone doesn't align with direct manner and calling out rsoultin when the posts are jokes). Tone seems very relaxed and seems to show a town mindset. In general, his thought process and reads match and are sensible. KelsierSC + Show Spoiler +The downside is that KelsierSC is quite good as mafia. He showed this in Gaiden 1.
I like his questioning to MoosyDoosy about his townread of WaveofShadow, but he drops it before reaching a real conclusion based on this.
I'm fine with this read for now, anyway. Mr. Cheesecake + Show Spoiler +I'm sleepy.
A lot of it's tone, and I don't feel like his reads are too constructed/clean/correct. Though this is a weak read. Nullrsoultin + Show Spoiler +I refuse to be wrong on rsoultin. I can accomplish that by not giving a read. (Plus I'm sleepy, basically always think rsoultin is town, and don't think that rsoultin is a good lynch today even if I found a few things that made me suspicious) Mafia LeanVisceraEyes + Show Spoiler +First he votes for WaveofShadow, and then decides to change his vote to MoosyDoosy based on how MoosyDoosy kept talking to WaveofShadow. On August 27 2015 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay so I filtered Moosy, and the reason I thought he was one of the Wave pushers is because of the sheer number of times he mentions Wave's name, but it's in the context of "I want to hear from Wave" or "Game so hard w/o Wave" etc.
Based on this, I think it's actually more likely that Wave is town and Moosy is like, appealing to him or something. Trying to slip him in his pocket. Only problem with that is that he and Wave are like, TLLOLOTDT buddies, so it's not unreasonable to think that he's doing this as town....I just get a really bad feeling off Moosy.
The flip on marv. Ummmmmm.....I can see that from a mafia perspective. Especially if he's not super aware of Marv's meta, maybe his partners were like "WHOA BUDDY, BETTER TURN THAT SHIT AROUND" after he posted about lynching marv. Marv's right though, in a vacuum it seems townie.
Eeehhhhhhh....I like it better than an AFK Wave vote anyway. Certainly better than a JAT vote.
##Unvote ##Vote: MoosyDoosy This isn't a convincing case at all. VisceraEyes starts out by saying that he thinks that MoosyDoosy is pocketing WaveofShadow, but this is reasonable from town, but he gets a bad feeling anyway. Then he says that he can see something that can be considered towny may be able to come from a mafia perspective. And then he says it's better than voting for someone who is AFK. Which results in a vote on MoosyDoosy. VisceraEyes doesn't seem convinced by his own case. And he's downplaying his earlier vote on WaveofShadow, which felt really out of place anyway. I don't understand why he voted for WaveofShadow in the first place. The strength he places in his WaveofShadow read seems to vary a lot: On August 27 2015 00:10 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 00:05 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2015 00:04 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2015 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 27 2015 00:01 Palmar wrote:On August 26 2015 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Meh I think JAT is town and Palmar can lick a [redacted] lamppost in wintertime. WHO IS MAFIA THEN EINSTEIN? I kinda like the Wave sentiment. FMP, the people hanging in the background not taking a side on the issue are the suspicious ones with regard to the whole JAT thing. name names, babe ^ do this though. ##Vote: WaveofShadowBeyond that, Moosy is kinda not taking a side, which I find super strange, and there are several people who have yet to even post. On August 27 2015 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote: [case on MoosyDoosy]
Eeehhhhhhh....I like it better than an AFK Wave vote anyway. Certainly better than a JAT vote.
##Unvote ##Vote: MoosyDoosy On August 27 2015 00:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't like Wave's entrance, worst in the thread besides marv's. Then he disappeared which I find to be extremely out of character for Wave. I'm interested to hear why you think I'm focusing around him so much though, I've spent WAY more posts trying to oppose a JAT lynch and appealing to marv and Palmar. On August 27 2015 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 01:57 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2015 01:53 WaveofShadow wrote: No wait. Dumb. Shadow game. yes, how could you forget one of my most comprehensive mafia triumphs Yeh that was a very good one. One of the best games I've ever had the pleasure of playing in. Marv do you not think that VE has similar cohones to me in that he does not fear taking you/Palmar on as scum? I don't think Palmar's OMGUS has any particular true reason behind it but I don't think VE is ruled out. Wait wait wait, have you even READ my posts? I've had nearly an IDENTICAL thought process as you have based on your posts, and you're not ruling me out? Are you fucking mafia Wave?!?!? VisceraEyes transitions from voting for WaveofShadow to seemingly being surprised and not having considered that WaveofShadow could be mafia. Hopeless1der + Show Spoiler +He generally doesn't play as mafia. He was mafia last game, didn't play, and died. This game, he said he would play, confirmed, and then hasn't posted anything yet. justanothertownie + Show Spoiler +Not going to repeat everything that's been mentioned about him. But I find it very hard to get a read on him because it seems like justanothertownie is a player who is very self-confident and prides himself in always being right. Thus, when people disagree with him and push him all game, I can see him getting caught up arguing with them when it clearly isn't going anywhere, I can see him constantly insulting and throwing scum on people he later says are probably town, I can see him sort of playing like this. In the end, I'm torn. I think that his play is objectively bad, but I'm not sure if that makes him scum here. The biggest problem I have with him is that he simply isn't pushing his reads. Here's justanothertownie's filter with only the read progression (only including the main scum reads, excluding all of the stuff to rsoultin/Palmar due to previously mentioned reasons) On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time: Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote: Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. He goes on to explain this several more times, and say that it is the best thing mentioned in the thread.
On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push.
On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote: Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little. Why MoosyDoosy? (not throwing suspicion, actually wondering, and a note to self (that I probably will forget about) to look into this)
On August 27 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:22 Palmar wrote:On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I am leaving now. It is wednesday and wednesday night is pubquiz time. Maybe I will return for a short while later, maybe I won't. Can make any promises about tomorrows activity since it is my birthday.
When I return I will flat out ignore any further bullshit brought up against me unless I think it is alignment indicative.
Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little. Explain exactly why you think CC is mafia. He is a little too correct I think. Very very clean posts. This is interesting, because this is the opposite impression I got from Mr. Cheesecake at this time. When later questioned on this, justanothertownie used an example that happened after this post was made.
Between the start of the game and this post, Mr. Cheesecake said the following (abbreviated): + Show Spoiler +Rsoultin is town for tone MoosyDoosy is town for claiming VT
Palmar and marvellosity are probably town KelsierSC is probably mafia Justanothertownie is probably town Goes back a little on his reason to townread justanothertownie
I'm labeling this list very subjectively. Strikethrough reads are reads that are easy to make (meaning that they are low risk reads for mafia, in that they won't have repercussions and likely won't be questioned later, or are just obvious). Red reads are reads that justanothertownie disagreed with.
Assuming that justanothertownie thinks that his own reads are correct, Mr. Cheesecake didn't actually make any reads that are significant that aligned with his own, except for saying that justanothertownie is town.
I don't see how justanothertownie sees Mr. Cheesecake's posts here as being clean or accurate.
And that's all that I see. What I don't see is an actual push. He's said the same point about me (Trfel) many times (saying it's one of the best things in the thread), and people have disagreed. But he hasn't said much about the rest of my play. He hasn't commented on a single thing I've done being towny, but he doesn't seem convinced that anything I've done outside of that one post makes me scum. I don't see him really pushing WaveofShadow, either. He said that WaveofShadow might be the first mafia joining the push [on himself], but never said more (other than agreeing with Mr. Cheesecake's posts about him). Justanothertownie hasn't seemed very motivated at trying to convince people or push one of his scumreads. He hasn't even voted yet. It almost feels like he's too frustrated to lead an actual push himself, and is throwing some suspicion and waiting to vote with whatever people like. Which is a mafia-motivated mindset. Not making much progress on WaveofShadow, going to just go to bed. I don't really feel like I want to lynch justanothertownie right now, though that could change. Also, it's funny how nicely my reads list matches the player list XD This is pretty strange. How do I go from a town lean to a mafia lean based on things that happened BEFORE the post where you townread me? You can't even really say that "Oh I didn't know about those things until I filtered" because you were literally THERE when the stuff with Wave was going on. Yet at one point you townread me and later on your mafia read me. WTF?
I really like this post from VE btw.
And when I consider how my "meta" has been abused this game by trfel and kelsier I'm calling that the scum team. There is a lot of back and forth between CC and Kelsier, so it feels kind of weird but the (incorrect) cases on wave are coloring my reads quite heavily.
Things like this from Wave: On August 27 2015 23:31 WaveofShadow wrote: KSC also hinging on CCs nit-picking points as a reason to lynch me makes him look even worse imo. He even voted me before CCs huge case iirc and now he uses that to justify
Rsoul I think it was with you we talked about ksc? And I think at the time I felt I was maybe being unreasonable and you convinced me. Still think the same about ksc?
ctrl+f "Vivax" in trfels filter
On August 28 2015 03:29 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 03:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Shenanigans lynch Vivax boys
##Vote: Vivax Hm, okay. ##vote Vivax
Was this a joke or something? He goes back to me a half hour later, but I have zero comprehension for how he was okay with voting vivax in the first place. As best I can tell, this was also thoroughly ignored when vivax brought it up earlier
tbh I'd rather go after KSC or trfel first, but thats not where the votes are, so: ##Vote: Mr.Cheesecake (For RNGesus!)
I'll maybe be able to phone post towards eod
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