On August 11 2015 18:23 marvellosity wrote:
majority, ugh. too much effort in large games.
majority, ugh. too much effort in large games.
Yep.
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On August 11 2015 18:23 marvellosity wrote: majority, ugh. too much effort in large games. Yep. | ||
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On August 12 2015 23:15 marvellosity wrote: your face is technically inaccurate. Burn. | ||
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On August 18 2015 00:15 rsoultin wrote: /out not replacing @.@ I am disappoint. | ||
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I really shouldn't but this playerlist is too good... | ||
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On August 24 2015 18:39 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2015 18:35 Fidei86 wrote: Okay so this roster actually looks really good. If I /in, do people promise no spamerino? Because I just don't have the energy to keep up with another game like Himalayas. Show nested quote + On August 11 2015 17:00 Blazinghand wrote: 4) raynpelikoneet 10) marvellosity 11) justanothertownie We just need holyflare as the fourth horseman of the spampocalypse No idea what you are talking about :p But seriously, I don't even have the time to be spammy right now. This time for realsies. Pinky promise. | ||
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On August 24 2015 19:09 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2015 19:00 Fidei86 wrote: What does that make Tina then, the satan of the spampocalypse? <3 pah. she has a lot to learn. Did she even produce a 50 page filter yet? | ||
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On August 26 2015 07:08 rsoultin wrote: are you town :/ can I still /out :/ | ||
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On August 26 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 07:13 rsoultin wrote: yay! \o/ the tina may get to lynch someone before she dies! -rolls around the thread- -tosses stones at jat- Show nested quote + On August 22 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote: meh against my better judgment :/ /in and i will be experimenting with playstyle changes/busy so...ye LIES! Best case of the game. | ||
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Seems pretty scummy to me. | ||
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On August 26 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote: random blah about none of this matters if marv is town though it makes me more inclined to townread them for the cahones it takes to antagonize marv They know marv well enough to know that this will not "make him lynch them" if he is town and they are scum. There is also no reason why they couldn't do it as town. But keep on trucking. | ||
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On August 26 2015 19:18 marvellosity wrote: careful, we'll get spanked by BH for Yeah, better be careful and don't have too much fun. | ||
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On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote: Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. | ||
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On August 26 2015 20:11 rsoultin wrote: also, the tears ;o; a jat is boring me to tears Suffer [insert word I cannot post without being modkilled]! | ||
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On August 26 2015 20:14 rsoultin wrote: palmar is town then or is this a aw you're so cutely awful rsoul don't worry your (maybe) pretty head? This statement I would sign. | ||
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On August 26 2015 20:16 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 20:15 justanothertownie wrote: On August 26 2015 20:14 rsoultin wrote: palmar is town then or is this a aw you're so cutely awful rsoul don't worry your (maybe) pretty head? This statement I would sign. should i rename you justdoingnothingbutmakingpotshotsatrsoulallgame? You could. But even though that name would be fitting it wouldn't be quite as true as my current one. | ||
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On August 26 2015 20:26 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time: On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote: Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. VE made the point about marv playing like palmar and trefl was questioning him plus marv was a point of contention so the question isn't really that strange. Yes, it is. I have no idea what about this is interesting to Trfel when marv had posted exactly those posts at that time: On August 26 2015 07:25 marvellosity wrote: heya On August 26 2015 08:50 marvellosity wrote: this is delightful. There is no way Trfel seriously expects Palmar to be able to make any kind of conclusion about marv based on this. | ||
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On August 26 2015 20:30 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 20:21 rsoultin wrote: On August 26 2015 20:16 marvellosity wrote: On August 26 2015 20:15 rsoultin wrote: On August 26 2015 20:15 marvellosity wrote: On August 26 2015 20:14 rsoultin wrote: palmar is town then or is this a aw you're so cutely awful rsoul don't worry your (maybe) pretty head? Neither then i don't understand :/ Palmar may or may not be town there's little point worrying/thinking about it at the moment because you'll go round in pointless circles will hopefully have my usual good read on him by the time it counts towards EoD i'll also accept this lol kelsiiiiieeer be super town for me so i can just not worry about you, k? thanks ^^ you're in that i dunnae maybe it's a [insert random alignment based on girl feels that changes with the wind] category presently now i've got a class i haven't finished reading the material for to prepare for so later bitches xP this just means I have to be mean and sarcastic to everyone and we already have JAT in this game so there is no need. Don't worry - I couldn't reach your level of mean and sarcastic even if I tried ^_^ | ||
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On August 26 2015 20:33 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 20:30 justanothertownie wrote: On August 26 2015 20:26 KelsierSC wrote: On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time: On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote: Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. VE made the point about marv playing like palmar and trefl was questioning him plus marv was a point of contention so the question isn't really that strange. Yes, it is. I have no idea what about this is interesting to Trfel when marv had posted exactly those posts at that time: On August 26 2015 07:25 marvellosity wrote: heya On August 26 2015 08:50 marvellosity wrote: this is delightful. There is no way Trfel seriously expects Palmar to be able to make any kind of conclusion about marv based on this. mhmm maybe...i'd be interested to see what trefl says to you being interested in the post he made about being interested Yeah, me too. | ||
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On August 26 2015 20:34 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 20:30 KelsierSC wrote: On August 26 2015 20:21 rsoultin wrote: On August 26 2015 20:16 marvellosity wrote: On August 26 2015 20:15 rsoultin wrote: On August 26 2015 20:15 marvellosity wrote: On August 26 2015 20:14 rsoultin wrote: palmar is town then or is this a aw you're so cutely awful rsoul don't worry your (maybe) pretty head? Neither then i don't understand :/ Palmar may or may not be town there's little point worrying/thinking about it at the moment because you'll go round in pointless circles will hopefully have my usual good read on him by the time it counts towards EoD i'll also accept this lol kelsiiiiieeer be super town for me so i can just not worry about you, k? thanks ^^ you're in that i dunnae maybe it's a [insert random alignment based on girl feels that changes with the wind] category presently now i've got a class i haven't finished reading the material for to prepare for so later bitches xP this just means I have to be mean and sarcastic to everyone and we already have JAT in this game so there is no need. negatory the bolded part is just sexy coming from you ^^ and not from jat. maybe he's not mean enough? not sarcastic enough? more likely his just isn't as clever lol >< If you think that you can provoke me you will be disappointed :p | ||
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On August 26 2015 20:37 rsoultin wrote: truffle/palmar stuff is boring do something interesting jat That's a good idea. Will stop posting and make some nanoparticles instead. | ||
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On August 26 2015 21:44 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time: On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote: Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. This is blatantly attacking something that's super simple to explain for no reason. Jat clearly #1 lynch I would argue that it's the only relevant thing brought up in this thread so far. But if it's so easy to explain then go ahead and do it. | ||
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On August 26 2015 21:58 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 21:56 justanothertownie wrote: On August 26 2015 21:44 Palmar wrote: On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time: On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote: Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. This is blatantly attacking something that's super simple to explain for no reason. Jat clearly #1 lynch I would argue that it's the only relevant thing brought up in this thread so far. But if it's so easy to explain then go ahead and do it. truffle should but it is that's why it's boring you brought it up to begin with zzz unless truffle doesn't state the obvious that everyone should see, then it would be interesting i'm almost done with breakfast ^^ which means y'all won't have to deal with me for much longer. you can throw a ticker tape parade! (is that how that's spelled?) Let me clarify - I don't think it is possible to reasonably explain this at all. I mean we can see what he comes up with but the fact that he posted this is probably way more indicative than whatever justification he comes up with. | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:08 marvellosity wrote: honestly i don't know why jat's question was dumb. That's because it isn't. It is very relevant. Maybe not as a question but as an observation of behaviour that typically comes from mafia. | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:22 rsoultin wrote: no it means the reason for your townread is bad, and if the reason for your townread is bad and there are reasons to think he's mafia you shouldn't be an rsoul and wait until the night before lylo to go oh shit i'm a numbnuts and now the guy who always wants to lynch me in lylo has to be convinced i'm just a numbnuts and not mafia and we should lynch the guy i was derping on @.@ He shouldn't townread me for that, true. But please don't try to make it look like you have any real reason to think I am mafia because you really don't. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:40 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote: On August 26 2015 22:22 rsoultin wrote: no it means the reason for your townread is bad, and if the reason for your townread is bad and there are reasons to think he's mafia you shouldn't be an rsoul and wait until the night before lylo to go oh shit i'm a numbnuts and now the guy who always wants to lynch me in lylo has to be convinced i'm just a numbnuts and not mafia and we should lynch the guy i was derping on @.@ He shouldn't townread me for that, true. But please don't try to make it look like you have any real reason to think I am mafia because you really don't. she kinda does, what she wrote is fair enough tbh. No, she kinda doesn't. I value my own opinion higher than this? What? I am literally saying that I am right and Palmar/rsoultin are wrong and I will keep saying it. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:45 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 23:44 justanothertownie wrote: On August 26 2015 23:40 marvellosity wrote: On August 26 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote: On August 26 2015 22:22 rsoultin wrote: no it means the reason for your townread is bad, and if the reason for your townread is bad and there are reasons to think he's mafia you shouldn't be an rsoul and wait until the night before lylo to go oh shit i'm a numbnuts and now the guy who always wants to lynch me in lylo has to be convinced i'm just a numbnuts and not mafia and we should lynch the guy i was derping on @.@ He shouldn't townread me for that, true. But please don't try to make it look like you have any real reason to think I am mafia because you really don't. she kinda does, what she wrote is fair enough tbh. No, she kinda doesn't. I value my own opinion higher than this? What? I am literally saying that I am right and Palmar/rsoultin are wrong and I will keep saying it. about having very little of note to say. You know that this does not make me mafia if there simply hasn't been anything else of note to say. Who did have things of note to say so far besides me? Noone really. Because Palmar and rsoultin are calling me mafia for the best observation that has been made so far and that is basically everything that happened so far scumhuntingwise. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:50 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 23:48 justanothertownie wrote: On August 26 2015 23:45 marvellosity wrote: On August 26 2015 23:44 justanothertownie wrote: On August 26 2015 23:40 marvellosity wrote: On August 26 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote: On August 26 2015 22:22 rsoultin wrote: no it means the reason for your townread is bad, and if the reason for your townread is bad and there are reasons to think he's mafia you shouldn't be an rsoul and wait until the night before lylo to go oh shit i'm a numbnuts and now the guy who always wants to lynch me in lylo has to be convinced i'm just a numbnuts and not mafia and we should lynch the guy i was derping on @.@ He shouldn't townread me for that, true. But please don't try to make it look like you have any real reason to think I am mafia because you really don't. she kinda does, what she wrote is fair enough tbh. No, she kinda doesn't. I value my own opinion higher than this? What? I am literally saying that I am right and Palmar/rsoultin are wrong and I will keep saying it. about having very little of note to say. You know that this does not make me mafia if there simply hasn't been anything else of note to say. Who did have things of note to say so far besides me? Noone really. Because Palmar and rsoultin are calling me mafia for the best observation that has been made so far and that is basically everything that happened so far scumhuntingwise. this is actually a good point things have moved on a bit, you have any reads? Let me catch up first. It's kinda annoying to have to keep ut at work. | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 22:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 26 2015 22:45 rsoultin wrote: On August 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 26 2015 22:42 KelsierSC wrote: On August 26 2015 22:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: wait Marv what is your read on JAT? Like me, you didn't think his question was dumb The question wasn't the best question ever but I don't think the case on him is that good at the moment it comes down to that q and him not being "jatty" Yeah this. I don't really see much on JAT. If he's mafia, he'll still be mafia later in the day anyway. I think we should focus on Trfel rite now. truffle's probably town with the stipulation that he didn't make me laugh :/ I'd still like an answer to why he asked for an opinion on marv when there was literally almost nothing that marv had posted. I feel like it's getting punted to the side while people are trying to kill JAT. several games (2-3 that i'm aware of?) palmar has caught scum!marv off of about that many posts and lynched him d1. jat is not unaware of this (he was in at least one of those games) so it's not a ridiculous thing for truffle to say it is however a ridiculous thing for jat to latch onto, and most especially a ridiculous thing to be the only thing jat latches onto It is a ridiculous thing to say. Marv made 2 (!) completely NAI posts. Why would Trfel post that he is interested in Palmars (who did not post at all until then) opinion about marv? It makes absolutely no sense. there is no reason to say that. So the logical conclusion is that he is just posting to post which is a classic mafia tell. How is it ridiculous to latch only onto this this early in the game? The only thing YOU latched on is me latching on the Trfel thing. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:31 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 23:28 KelsierSC wrote: like here is my issue with the whole thing "palmar caught marv in some games off like 2 posts so im waiting for palmar's thoughts on marv" for one thing JAT might not have known this was the case, trefl didn't even say this was the reason he wanted to get palmar's thoughts and even if JAT did know this happened he might have forgotten about it. with this in mind JAT asking trefl to explain his point isn't bad at all. this isn't really right, jat wouldn't forget and he does know from my pov, it's more that there was absolutely nothing in the posts i made (even less than what palmar catches me off) Absolutely correct. Also Palmar was not alone in lynching marv because I was also pushing him both times. The point is that it is such a random and unintuitive thing for Trfel to say when neither marv nor Palmar are in the thread or posted anything of worth. | ||
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On August 27 2015 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 00:01 Palmar wrote: On August 26 2015 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Meh I think JAT is town and Palmar can lick a [redacted] lamppost in wintertime. WHO IS MAFIA THEN EINSTEIN? I kinda like the Wave sentiment. FMP, the people hanging in the background not taking a side on the issue are the suspicious ones with regard to the whole JAT thing. This is very possible since the push on me is likely a result of stupidity rather than malice. | ||
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On August 27 2015 00:20 Palmar wrote: I need more people to post so I can clear them so we can lynch mafia jat. Palmar. If you are town then you should realize that what you are doing does not serve a town agenda. If you believe it or not - I am town. All you are achieving with posts like this is making me annoyed and stop me from talking about actually interesting things because I need to put up with this retarded push on me. You are preventing me from playing the game when I already said that I won't have that much time for it anyways. Good job man. If you are mafia you are playing excellently though. But it is far more likely that you are just dumb. | ||
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On August 27 2015 00:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Yup. I could attempt to look more detail into how aggressively he's been posting but the Palmar pressure has sort of ruined any way to read that specifically. Wow, I guess that means I have to be mafia then. | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:00 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 10:48 Trfel wrote: To clarify: On August 26 2015 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm town. Marv playing like Palmar makes me vom a little in my mouth. Otherwise I like most everyone who's posted so far. On August 26 2015 09:52 Trfel wrote: On August 26 2015 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Most everyone?Hi I'm town. Marv playing like Palmar makes me vom a little in my mouth. Otherwise I like most everyone who's posted so far. Who don't you like? On August 26 2015 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll give more details as they become relevant Trfel. I just don't understand why the bolded sentence is included. Assuming that you are town, saying that you like most of the people who have posted but refusing to specify which ones doesn't accomplish anything. To me it feels like you needed to add an additional comment, but didn't want to commit to townreading everyone who posted or to any other suspicions. Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote: On August 26 2015 12:01 rsoultin wrote: Family comes first, sorry.truffle you aren't talking to me >> I'll be more active in maybe another hour and a half, if you're still awake then. Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. What marv said until the last post: Speaking about additional comments with no basis, Trfel makes it into the candidates for the D1 lynch. Watch out this could make you the day1 lynch. | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push. You're sweet. I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep. I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read. Cool. So what is decent about the read? | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:05 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:03 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 01:00 Vivax wrote: On August 26 2015 10:48 Trfel wrote: To clarify: On August 26 2015 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm town. Marv playing like Palmar makes me vom a little in my mouth. Otherwise I like most everyone who's posted so far. On August 26 2015 09:52 Trfel wrote: On August 26 2015 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Most everyone?Hi I'm town. Marv playing like Palmar makes me vom a little in my mouth. Otherwise I like most everyone who's posted so far. Who don't you like? On August 26 2015 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll give more details as they become relevant Trfel. I just don't understand why the bolded sentence is included. Assuming that you are town, saying that you like most of the people who have posted but refusing to specify which ones doesn't accomplish anything. To me it feels like you needed to add an additional comment, but didn't want to commit to townreading everyone who posted or to any other suspicions. On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote: On August 26 2015 12:01 rsoultin wrote: Family comes first, sorry.truffle you aren't talking to me >> I'll be more active in maybe another hour and a half, if you're still awake then. Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. What marv said until the last post: On August 26 2015 07:25 marvellosity wrote: heya On August 26 2015 08:50 marvellosity wrote: this is delightful. Speaking about additional comments with no basis, Trfel makes it into the candidates for the D1 lynch. Watch out this could make you the day1 lynch. Only if marv wants me to be. Otherwise you have no power here. Also why. Because I made the exact same argument and somehow everyone is pushing me as the lynch for it. | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:05 KelsierSC wrote: On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push. You're sweet. I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep. I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read. what is it that is good about it? I got some feels about it a little early on because I'm used to JAT being a fun-killer as town and wasn't getting any of that, and he was fairly forgettable early as well when he has no problem inserting himself into stuff. The fact that Palmar when ham super early makes it more difficult for ME to get a better read on him, but also the fact that Palmar is going ham on him so early is a good sign based on my recent experiences with town Palmar, so I am absolutely fine sheeping here. Certainly doesn't hurt that marv agrees and is 99.9% town. Where does marv agree? This is the most bullshit read on me I ever saw btw. | ||
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If you are town and seriously think I am a "fun killer" as town early in the game then you have literally not the slightest idea about my play and should check your facts. You are casually adding fuel to this wagon on me while passing all responsibility or blame to Palmar and it is at best terrible and at worst really scummy. | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:26 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote: I am interested in Moosy's thoughts now that I have arrived. im in turmoil rite now. tbh im torn between sheeping u and rsoul or re-evaluating things. i think im going to re-evaluate things tbh. Wave, one more question. rsoul said that Trfel asking Palmar for thoughts on marv was not strange per argument that Palmar had been able to read marv in the past like that. But marv's two posts were literally "heya" and "this is delightful". Do you think rsoul's explanation is good and that Trfel's question was valid or do you think otherwise? Why are you torn if the points on Trfel make sense to you? They are the only reason this wagon got started, then some other stuff added on top that's entirely subjective. ^^^^ | ||
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For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right. /QUOTE] ???????????? What is this shit? | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:34 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't really have much to say about that specifically. Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting. For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right. As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno. So you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"? If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid. If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it. So what do YOU think? And why are you even debating sheeping people on me if you say "no"? | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:32 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:30 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right. ???????????? What is this shit? i understood, he meant Palmar called me town based on not much at the start, reserving the right to switch his judgement later. And Wave's own opinion is that Palmar's original opinion on me was right Hm, maybe. | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:35 WaveofShadow wrote: I say no but I don't think I think Trfel's question is weird because Trfel could very well assume that Palmar could read marv based on 'heya' and 'this is delightful.' This translates to "I think Trfel is a retard". | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:38 rsoultin wrote: Message to a non-jatty jat: When do you plan on showing up to this game? -your not-so-friendly neighborhood raoul I already did and if you think my play isn't jatty then you have no idea what jatty is. I don't know why you would think that you can toneread me anyways. You clearly aren't able to do so if you are town. | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:40 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 01:38 rsoultin wrote: Message to a non-jatty jat: When do you plan on showing up to this game? -your not-so-friendly neighborhood raoul I already did and if you think my play isn't jatty then you have no idea what jatty is. I don't know why you would think that you can toneread me anyways. You clearly aren't able to do so if you are town. Rather than flinging shit at everyone and posting lots of question marks in response to everyone's posts why don't you post a nice list or make a case on someone. As it is now, you're not doing anything productive. How about I will just keep doing whatever the fuck I please instead. | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:43 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:40 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 01:38 rsoultin wrote: Message to a non-jatty jat: When do you plan on showing up to this game? -your not-so-friendly neighborhood raoul I already did and if you think my play isn't jatty then you have no idea what jatty is. I don't know why you would think that you can toneread me anyways. You clearly aren't able to do so if you are town. you know that i usually townread you quite easily when you are town. i get that you have this push on you + not much time, but i still can't really see a reason to townread you right now so that IS a thing. As far as I know you are not rsoultin. And if you aren't townreading me that's poor showing but alright. Scumreading me on tone is laughable though. | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:46 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 27 2015 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 27 2015 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 01:04 Vivax wrote: On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Catching up. Frigging euro dominated game ##unvote Should have just said marv/Palmar dominated game. Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point. On what basis? On the basis that they took over the thread entirely. Unless they are BOTH scum and are playing beyond both of their usual abilities which to me frankly seems near impossible, it's extremely unlikely based on their interactions that one of them is scum and the other isn't. What about their interactions makes it unlikely that one is scum and the other isn't? Because from the looks of it to me it could be either both town or one/one...I agree that mafia/mafia makes no sense in any world. Because they can both read each other extremely well and due to the amount of back-and-forth they have already had, it's likely that one would have found something about the other strange already. It's EXACTLY the amount of back and forth that I find disconcerting. Like, they have back and forth every game but it's a LOT in this game and they IMMEDIATELY townread one another (at least it looks that way to me.) In my experience that's a result of one of them being mafia and trying hard to get the other to townread them, saying all the right things, etc. Both Palmar AND Marv are capable of fooling the other, it just takes effort that generally neither of them are willing to put in. Who's to say they aren't willing to put it in this game? I only mention it because it looks like you're building town/town marv/Palmar as the foundation of your thought process this game and I'm getting bad feels from Palmar. red: please show where i did this green: please provide one instance of this happening, because as far as i'm aware this is never how it works and you're making things up He is wrong. But the general idea is good. You have absolutely fooled Palmar before and even if you are both town it is extremely lazy and bad to use this as a foundation for reads on other people. | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:49 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:48 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 01:46 marvellosity wrote: On August 27 2015 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 27 2015 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 27 2015 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 01:04 Vivax wrote: On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Catching up. Frigging euro dominated game ##unvote Should have just said marv/Palmar dominated game. Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point. On what basis? On the basis that they took over the thread entirely. Unless they are BOTH scum and are playing beyond both of their usual abilities which to me frankly seems near impossible, it's extremely unlikely based on their interactions that one of them is scum and the other isn't. What about their interactions makes it unlikely that one is scum and the other isn't? Because from the looks of it to me it could be either both town or one/one...I agree that mafia/mafia makes no sense in any world. Because they can both read each other extremely well and due to the amount of back-and-forth they have already had, it's likely that one would have found something about the other strange already. It's EXACTLY the amount of back and forth that I find disconcerting. Like, they have back and forth every game but it's a LOT in this game and they IMMEDIATELY townread one another (at least it looks that way to me.) In my experience that's a result of one of them being mafia and trying hard to get the other to townread them, saying all the right things, etc. Both Palmar AND Marv are capable of fooling the other, it just takes effort that generally neither of them are willing to put in. Who's to say they aren't willing to put it in this game? I only mention it because it looks like you're building town/town marv/Palmar as the foundation of your thought process this game and I'm getting bad feels from Palmar. red: please show where i did this green: please provide one instance of this happening, because as far as i'm aware this is never how it works and you're making things up He is wrong. But the general idea is good. You have absolutely fooled Palmar before and even if you are both town it is extremely lazy and bad to use this as a foundation for reads on other people. yes, I have fooled Palmar for a while before (usually a cycle or two) but never, ever as a result of me saying things to Palmar that he wants to hear. And the distinction is important, because VE is talking about Palmar-marv interactions in particular. Hence why I said he is wrong. | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:56 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 01:38 rsoultin wrote: Message to a non-jatty jat: When do you plan on showing up to this game? -your not-so-friendly neighborhood raoul rsoul, do you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"? If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid. If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it. i know that truffle's question did not raise red flags with me, which generally means that the context (and y'all are taking this out of context lovelies) makes the question make sense. when i review it i fully expect to find someone else scumreading marv (wave/ve?) and him saying well i want to wait and see what palmar thinks in that context which as i said since no red flags when i read it, i completely expect to find, there is not a damn thing weird about this supposed "question" and jat pinging him out on it is puke-worthy it's possible i misread. doubt it There is literally 0 reason for rfel to say that at this point. It is pure filler. You pinging me out for this is puke-worthy. | ||
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On August 27 2015 02:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:58 Palmar wrote: On August 27 2015 01:34 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't really have much to say about that specifically. Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting. For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right. As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno. So you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"? If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid. If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it. To be perfectly honest, the townread on marv is in large based on his "this is delightful" post, because I was also enjoying that conversation a lot. Huh. Then that does make Trfel's question relevant in that context. No, it really doesn't. Because Trfel did not know this. | ||
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On August 27 2015 02:03 Palmar wrote: jat say "trfel is confirmed town" and maybe I'll back off. No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it. | ||
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On August 27 2015 02:03 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:59 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 01:56 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 01:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 01:38 rsoultin wrote: Message to a non-jatty jat: When do you plan on showing up to this game? -your not-so-friendly neighborhood raoul rsoul, do you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"? If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid. If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it. i know that truffle's question did not raise red flags with me, which generally means that the context (and y'all are taking this out of context lovelies) makes the question make sense. when i review it i fully expect to find someone else scumreading marv (wave/ve?) and him saying well i want to wait and see what palmar thinks in that context which as i said since no red flags when i read it, i completely expect to find, there is not a damn thing weird about this supposed "question" and jat pinging him out on it is puke-worthy it's possible i misread. doubt it There is literally 0 reason for rfel to say that at this point. It is pure filler. You pinging me out for this is puke-worthy. prove it ^^ How am I supposed to prove that to you? It is on YOU to prove that what he said makes sense and why. It is a completely unwarranted comment. | ||
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On August 27 2015 02:07 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 02:03 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 01:58 Palmar wrote: On August 27 2015 01:34 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't really have much to say about that specifically. Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting. For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right. As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno. So you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"? If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid. If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it. To be perfectly honest, the townread on marv is in large based on his "this is delightful" post, because I was also enjoying that conversation a lot. Huh. Then that does make Trfel's question relevant in that context. No, it really doesn't. Because Trfel did not know this. Yes it does. Because it means that Trfel probs knew about the Palmarv bromance and felt that Palmar could have read marv based on those two posts. Either way, I'm getting tired of you just throwing things at everyone's posts with no purpose behind it. eh, I'll just sheep wave/rsoul. ##vote justanothertownie No, it does not mean that at all. | ||
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On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:03 Palmar wrote: jat say "trfel is confirmed town" and maybe I'll back off. No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it. Hi mafia. I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole. I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading! Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad. | ||
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When I return I will flat out ignore any further bullshit brought up against me unless I think it is alignment indicative. Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little. | ||
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On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote: On August 27 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:03 Palmar wrote: jat say "trfel is confirmed town" and maybe I'll back off. No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it. Hi mafia. I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole. I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading! Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad. what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town your trfel push is shit do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are. | ||
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On August 27 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote: On August 27 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:03 Palmar wrote: jat say "trfel is confirmed town" and maybe I'll back off. No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it. Hi mafia. I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole. I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading! Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad. what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town your trfel push is shit do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are. it's shit. i debunked it. move on reasons You haven't debunked anything and no, I won't give you any reasons. You will have to find something to talk about that's not me. Suck it. I am off. | ||
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On August 27 2015 02:22 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I am leaving now. It is wednesday and wednesday night is pubquiz time. Maybe I will return for a short while later, maybe I won't. Can make any promises about tomorrows activity since it is my birthday. When I return I will flat out ignore any further bullshit brought up against me unless I think it is alignment indicative. Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little. Explain exactly why you think CC is mafia. He is a little too correct I think. Very very clean posts. | ||
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On August 27 2015 02:25 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote: On August 27 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:03 Palmar wrote: jat say "trfel is confirmed town" and maybe I'll back off. No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it. Hi mafia. I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole. I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading! Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad. what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town your trfel push is shit do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are. it's shit. i debunked it. move on reasons You haven't debunked anything and no, I won't give you any reasons. You will have to find something to talk about that's not me. Suck it. I am off. you fail to understand why i'm scumreading you and you also fail to note that i've been talking about plenty of things not you ^^ this looks more like a dodge to me than anything else enjoy your bday can i get like a summary of what else you said. not that I don't love reading all your posts but...it's easier if it just one place The summary is the following: Rsoultin does not think I am "jatty" enough. Evidently she hasn't even the slightest idea of what jatty is. And wow you guys produced like 2 pages since I left. I bet I will se an incredible amount of scumhunting upon reading this. | ||
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On August 27 2015 06:50 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 06:49 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:25 KelsierSC wrote: On August 27 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote: [quote] Hi mafia. I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole. I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading! Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad. what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town your trfel push is shit do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are. it's shit. i debunked it. move on reasons You haven't debunked anything and no, I won't give you any reasons. You will have to find something to talk about that's not me. Suck it. I am off. you fail to understand why i'm scumreading you and you also fail to note that i've been talking about plenty of things not you ^^ this looks more like a dodge to me than anything else enjoy your bday can i get like a summary of what else you said. not that I don't love reading all your posts but...it's easier if it just one place The summary is the following: Rsoultin does not think I am "jatty" enough. Evidently she hasn't even the slightest idea of what jatty is. And wow you guys produced like 2 pages since I left. I bet I will se an incredible amount of scumhunting upon reading this. blame wine It's ok. I will exclude everyone that is legitimally drunk. Like myself. | ||
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On August 27 2015 06:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: JAT I need your top scumread. I could lynch you because I think you are being objectively scummy by sulking that Palmar is being a meanie pants. So if you're town please brush yourself off and behind anew like a phoenix rising from it's ashes. Produce all that content that others are not providing. Haha, you are a funny one. Weren't you the guy harddefending me earlier? And now you want to lynch me for being "objectively scummy" even though I wasn't even in the thread since then? It's midnight, I am drunk and I have to get up early tomorrow. If you think I will put any serious effort in right now you are delusional. | ||
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On August 27 2015 04:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Catching up. Frigging euro dominated game ##unvote Should have just said marv/Palmar dominated game. Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point. Let's see. Welcome back CC. First thoughts are that he's town because I remember him posting similarly to this in a couple of towngames we played together, that being said there is ONE old-as-hell scumgame of his I want to look back at (where he ragequit eventually 'cause his team was shitty or something?) because what someone (marv?) said about him being more coherent as scum could be true but I truly don't remember. 2-year-old meta meh anyway but I have re-embraced the use of meta recently to decent effect so we'll see. Tentative townread for the moment. Rsoul extremely likely to be town from interactions. Scummiest people stand out to me as JAT because the last time I remember Palmar going like this on anyone, it was on me when I was scum when nobody else ever catches me. Moosy because pocketing efforts when I am the only one in this game he knows to be 'good.' I say 'good' because I have been SUPER on point in the last whole bunch of games I've played (as both alignments for once) and Moosy correctly realizes that I could be a threat based on that. Which brings me to On August 26 2015 23:14 marvellosity wrote: On August 26 2015 23:13 Palmar wrote: Wave is a shitty has-been player anyway can't be a has-been if you're a never-was ^ wow, what a bitch Fucking brutal guys. Is all of that really necessary? I actually have gained some confidence in my play for once and I refuse to let it be crushed by the likes of you. Unfortunately the fact that I'm not here means if either of the aforementioned are scum I won't have contributed at all to their lynches which is super bleh. ##vote: JAT This post makes Wave scum. Specifically, the text in bold. Wave comes back to the thread to see the popular scum-candidate JAT sitting on a wagon driven by Palmar. His read takes no consideration for JAT's actions this game. In fact, he says he respects Palmar's play enough on day 1 to sheep him without regard. Wave claims that he has gained some confidence in his play. If wave truly has gained confidence in his play (I.E. reads), then why is he letting Palmar, who may very well be mafia or just plain wrong about JAT, decide the lynch for him? Wave is blindly assuming that Palmar is town and correct without A) Assessing the lynch candidates motivations / actions and B) Looking at Palmar's push in and of itself. He doesn't even quote a post by Palmar and agree with the reasons. ##Vote: Wave Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push. You're sweet. I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep. I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read. JAT hits the nail on the head here. Wave's defense against this is basically "I'm better than this", which I find lazy. Regardless, Wave still fails to situate why he thinks Palmar's case is good. Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't really have much to say about that specifically. Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting. For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right. As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno. When Wave extrapolates upon how Palmar plays, he admits that Palmar's early reads are 'just 'cause' and may/may not be accurate. How can Wave seriously think JAT is his top scumread / top vote for the day if he: 1) Has not evaluated JAT's actions, or explained why Palmar's case is good 2) Knows that Palmar's early reads are often 'just cause' 3) Is not sure of Palmar's alignment? It makes no sense to me. Palmar may have caught Wave as scum day 1 in another game and he respects him, but this course of action is scummy regardless of how you package it. It's incredibly convenient if JAT flips town, and then Wave can take no responsibility for the lynch. All I want you to answer @WaveofShadow: Why is Palmar's case good. Not Rsoultin's, or anyone else's, but Palmar's case. What does Palmar say that is convincing and makes the case against JAT generate a "fairly decent read"? This post and the following ones are very good. I don't even think that it makes CC town because from my limited experience with him he is not an incredibly good town player (no offense man) but it's all absolutely true. | ||
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On August 27 2015 02:55 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 02:52 KelsierSC wrote: On August 27 2015 02:50 rsoultin wrote: meh so like the semi-townie thing on jat i dunnae actually was townie tbh he's kind of a bully when he's caught as scum, in that he just flails around, and i'm not seeing anything particularly brilliant to make me think he's actually town here. did anyone else see something that would counter that impression? ftr, what i expect from a jat is essentially agreement sometimes with no elaboration, sometimes with an extra point that introduces a new perspective or disagreement and why that's fairly well-reasoned instead i see a lot of flailing and a refusal to admit that his push on truffle isn't good or an attempt to revisit that section and see if he was wrong/prove that i'm wrong about the context of truffle's comment basically for JAT, i saw the point he made about trefl, it wasn't a great point and i offered an explanation for it, but i don't think his rebuttal was too bad, then you gave another explanation for it and palmar went off on him. point is we have multiple explanations and trefl hasn't even come back to give the actual explanation so it's hard to make a read off it. I was expecting JAT to come back and give reads on the game but it's been as you said, more of a tantrum than anything else. the only interesting area was about wave I think and I think his reentry to the game has been a bit awkward then moosy who I scumread decides to vote JAT despite being null on him, but i'm not sure if he is just incompetent town rather than scum. ye i just don't see that point in context at all. out-of-context, sure. and to tout it as the "best point in the thread" this late in the game is at best deluded, imo ye, i'll admit, i was curious about who he was scumreading for jumping on his wagon but in the end i don't know how alignment indicative it is and i'm really curious about his CC read cause it's either really awful or actually somewhat townie lol >< but he hasn't clarified what he meant so i can't say one way or the other If you do not understand my post about CC then I am questioning that you have a functional brain. On August 27 2015 02:50 rsoultin wrote: meh so like the semi-townie thing on jat i dunnae actually was townie tbh he's kind of a bully when he's caught as scum, in that he just flails around, and i'm not seeing anything particularly brilliant to make me think he's actually town here. did anyone else see something that would counter that impression? ftr, what i expect from a jat is essentially agreement sometimes with no elaboration, sometimes with an extra point that introduces a new perspective or disagreement and why that's fairly well-reasoned instead i see a lot of flailing and a refusal to admit that his push on truffle isn't good or an attempt to revisit that section and see if he was wrong/prove that i'm wrong about the context of truffle's comment The push on Trfel IS good and even if it wasn't that would never make me scum. The rest is a result of people tunneling me for retarded reasons. I will always get annoyed by this and react the same way regardless of my alignment which is why it is an incredibly stupid thing to do in the first place. Shame on you. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:15 rsoultin wrote: ^ obvious now do something jat **** you. You go do something. Of course that's the obvious thing Trfel would say but that still is NO reason to say it in the first place. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote: also explain constructed posts as "too clean"? No. Too clean basically means "too correct"/"too reasonable". | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 07:19 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote: also explain constructed posts as "too clean"? No. Too clean basically means "too correct"/"too reasonable". too correct in what way? Are you really this stupid or are you playing it? | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:21 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 07:18 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:15 rsoultin wrote: ^ obvious now do something jat **** you. You go do something. Of course that's the obvious thing Trfel would say but that still is NO reason to say it in the first place. disagree. not gonna talk about it anymore on the off-chance you're town and just being stubborn Of course you won't because you don't have any argument in this case. There was 0 reason to post this for Trfel besides to have posted something. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 07:21 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 07:19 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote: also explain constructed posts as "too clean"? No. Too clean basically means "too correct"/"too reasonable". too correct in what way? Are you really this stupid or are you playing it? i want to know in clear english exactly what you're saying ^^ so yes, i want to know in what way you think his posts are too correct. examples. what gave you that impression. you gave a thesis statement and i want the meat He was on my side immediately and had a very good grasp on the situation from the very beginning even though very influential people like you and Palmar insisted on showing their lack of intelligence by attacking me for no reason. I just think this is easier to do as mafia who knows that I am town and that certain people are being retarded. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:28 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 07:28 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 07:21 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 07:19 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote: also explain constructed posts as "too clean"? No. Too clean basically means "too correct"/"too reasonable". too correct in what way? Are you really this stupid or are you playing it? i want to know in clear english exactly what you're saying ^^ so yes, i want to know in what way you think his posts are too correct. examples. what gave you that impression. you gave a thesis statement and i want the meat He was on my side immediately and had a very good grasp on the situation from the very beginning even though very influential people like you and Palmar insisted on showing their lack of intelligence by attacking me for no reason. I just think this is easier to do as mafia who knows that I am town and that certain people are being retarded. okay that was the semi-townie option. thank you for answering on like the tenth time i asked xP If you were able to understand basic logic this would have been obvious the first time. Marv got it. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:30 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 07:29 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:28 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 07:28 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 07:21 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 07:19 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote: also explain constructed posts as "too clean"? No. Too clean basically means "too correct"/"too reasonable". too correct in what way? Are you really this stupid or are you playing it? i want to know in clear english exactly what you're saying ^^ so yes, i want to know in what way you think his posts are too correct. examples. what gave you that impression. you gave a thesis statement and i want the meat He was on my side immediately and had a very good grasp on the situation from the very beginning even though very influential people like you and Palmar insisted on showing their lack of intelligence by attacking me for no reason. I just think this is easier to do as mafia who knows that I am town and that certain people are being retarded. okay that was the semi-townie option. thank you for answering on like the tenth time i asked xP If you were able to understand basic logic this would have been obvious the first time. Marv got it. Not sure if it's my tunnel (that doesn't look anything like a tunnel though ) (it's all in my head) Ehm, ok? I will just pretend I understood whatever you said right there. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:33 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 07:29 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:28 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 07:28 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 07:21 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 07:19 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote: also explain constructed posts as "too clean"? No. Too clean basically means "too correct"/"too reasonable". too correct in what way? Are you really this stupid or are you playing it? i want to know in clear english exactly what you're saying ^^ so yes, i want to know in what way you think his posts are too correct. examples. what gave you that impression. you gave a thesis statement and i want the meat He was on my side immediately and had a very good grasp on the situation from the very beginning even though very influential people like you and Palmar insisted on showing their lack of intelligence by attacking me for no reason. I just think this is easier to do as mafia who knows that I am town and that certain people are being retarded. okay that was the semi-townie option. thank you for answering on like the tenth time i asked xP If you were able to understand basic logic this would have been obvious the first time. Marv got it. dude, my first reaction to your post was this, but then i wanted to be sure that was what you were actually saying now pull the stick out your ass and discuss the game with me plz and thank you No, you don't even deserve to discuss the game with me. If you behave I may comment on whatever you bring up but unlike you I haven't tunneled a townie to the extent of making them want to quit the game so far. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:33 marvellosity wrote: er... and because i've been thinking CC is mafia, I got what you meant. it's all hanging together. It's ok. I think I understand now. Stoned people are also excused. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:36 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 07:35 marvellosity wrote: i think you look quite good too, wave, i like how your posts read ^ they remind me of when I replaced into YOSO really late, and I became really convinced you were town and defended you accordingly because when I filtered you, all your posts just read really well. so i really hope you're not making a fool of me this game. or if you are, i manage to catch on That game was awesome. I mean if scum hadn't thrown the game we wouldn't have won it but we still did. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:41 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 07:28 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 07:21 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 07:19 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote: also explain constructed posts as "too clean"? No. Too clean basically means "too correct"/"too reasonable". too correct in what way? Are you really this stupid or are you playing it? i want to know in clear english exactly what you're saying ^^ so yes, i want to know in what way you think his posts are too correct. examples. what gave you that impression. you gave a thesis statement and i want the meat He was on my side immediately and had a very good grasp on the situation from the very beginning even though very influential people like you and Palmar insisted on showing their lack of intelligence by attacking me for no reason. I just think this is easier to do as mafia who knows that I am town and that certain people are being retarded. ^ ??? what am i misinterpreting? I think you are arguing semantics right now. Looking good and being right aren't mutually exclusive. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:43 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 07:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Speaking of duo, anyone have anything on him? no, i'm feeling kinda energetic (well not right this exact moment) so i may extensively meta him tomorrow to see if i can get anything i know he just got lynched as town for basically doing nothing at all of value, but i think he posted a bit more than he has here Isn't doing nothing his usual townplay? I think I only played with him in TL Noir where he did the same. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:44 Trfel wrote: Justanothertownie, what expectations do you have for my play? What a general and useless question. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:45 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:41 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 07:28 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 07:21 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 07:19 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote: also explain constructed posts as "too clean"? No. Too clean basically means "too correct"/"too reasonable". too correct in what way? Are you really this stupid or are you playing it? i want to know in clear english exactly what you're saying ^^ so yes, i want to know in what way you think his posts are too correct. examples. what gave you that impression. you gave a thesis statement and i want the meat He was on my side immediately and had a very good grasp on the situation from the very beginning even though very influential people like you and Palmar insisted on showing their lack of intelligence by attacking me for no reason. I just think this is easier to do as mafia who knows that I am town and that certain people are being retarded. ^ ??? what am i misinterpreting? I think you are arguing semantics right now. Looking good and being right aren't mutually exclusive. -_- i'm not arguing semantics i'm saying a scumread on "too polished" is not enough to make me doubt my scumread on you, and it is a weak reason to scumread cc in a vacuum. i don't know him and i don't think ksc does either cause we started playing at about the same time i think it's a fairly townie thing to be suspicious of the one guy defending you, especially when it's for no good reason. that makes me doubt my scumread it's really not to your advantage to keep firing at me every chance you get, especially if you think i'm town -_- As long as you keep being stupid I will keep firing at you and you will have to deal with it. And no, neither has he been the only one defending me nor is my reason to doubt him bad. Saying this only makes you bad. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:46 Palmar wrote: or at least give some harder reads. Why? Do you think his play so far has been scummy? | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:53 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 07:51 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 07:47 marvellosity wrote: just read CC's case, however my internal bias where i'm reading wave town and mr cc mafia already make me think it's overly constructed and not picking on something that makes wave mafia So you think it's more likely malicious than just dumb? I think if he harped more on the 'lazy' or 'looking to excuse future town flip' parts of the case it would be worse cause those are terrible, but I think he truly believes the imaginary nits he's picking. i think that just means it's a better scumcase. i'd really like vivax/dec/bf (and probably someone else i forgot) to post a little more so i can get a better feel for whether what i'm feeling about CC makes sense or not. i know that doesn't exactly make sense but it feels like i need a better grasp on the overall picture to get a better focus on CC. It does make sense, don't worry. I feel pretty bad about throwing supicion at CC btw. but sadly being smart/correct does not make someone town. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:58 KelsierSC wrote: off to bed, too much wine Yeah, same if you replace wine with beer. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:58 marvellosity wrote: the problem is, jat, you have this way of talking and pursuing posts when you are town, which is what makes me townread you. so their absence is pretty worrying And have you ever observed this when people have been stupidly tunneling on me from the get go? I bet you haven't. Take a look at russia today mafia. What happened there was exaclt the same and you also couldn't townread me there. | ||
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On August 27 2015 08:07 marvellosity wrote: no it was world championships i was referring to but then this leads to another thought that i have to explain, and it's really not worth it but it doesn't matter enough :p maybe i'll flick through russia today, but my thoughts about recent games with you as town are as above ^^ I do understand you're being tunnelled and that's difficult (as either alignment) which is why i'm not hardcore on you, because if you'd played this unproductively regarding reads/posts and you weren't under a lot of pressure, i'd think you were very very likely mafia Whatever. Fact is I am not mafia and I trust you to see this at some point even thoughI will not have much time for this game. I would be very disappointed if you didn't because you are more or less the only player on this site who can read me. | ||
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On August 27 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote: Not sure if I want to lynch justanothertownie, but currently leaning towards no? Don't really have time to filter dive right now. I want to lynch Hopeless1der. ##vote Hopeless1der Leaning towards town on MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes. Explanation please. Why Hopeless? Why did you feel the need to include townreads on MD and VE? | ||
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On August 27 2015 08:10 marvellosity wrote: wow guilt trip much t.t Suck it. | ||
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On August 27 2015 08:16 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Because I think that Hopeless1der has a fair chance of being mafia, and it's not something I need to read a lot of filters or think super critically about. Look at his filter and his last game and you'll see why.On August 27 2015 08:10 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote: Not sure if I want to lynch justanothertownie, but currently leaning towards no? Don't really have time to filter dive right now. I want to lynch Hopeless1der. ##vote Hopeless1der Leaning towards town on MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes. Explanation please. Why Hopeless? Why did you feel the need to include townreads on MD and VE? I also think that now is a good time to push this. I see no reason to wait. MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes were my tone reads that don't require filter dives and I'm not too worried about (I have a town tone read on WaveofShadow, but I'm more worried about him than the other two). Plus, there's been some discussion about MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes recently. Hopeless didn't even post yet. How could you possibly have any kind of read on him? | ||
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On August 27 2015 08:25 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Okay, I'll explain it in more detail.On August 27 2015 08:19 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 08:16 Trfel wrote: On August 27 2015 08:10 justanothertownie wrote: Because I think that Hopeless1der has a fair chance of being mafia, and it's not something I need to read a lot of filters or think super critically about. Look at his filter and his last game and you'll see why.On August 27 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote: Not sure if I want to lynch justanothertownie, but currently leaning towards no? Don't really have time to filter dive right now. I want to lynch Hopeless1der. ##vote Hopeless1der Leaning towards town on MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes. Explanation please. Why Hopeless? Why did you feel the need to include townreads on MD and VE? I also think that now is a good time to push this. I see no reason to wait. MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes were my tone reads that don't require filter dives and I'm not too worried about (I have a town tone read on WaveofShadow, but I'm more worried about him than the other two). Plus, there's been some discussion about MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes recently. Hopeless didn't even post yet. How could you possibly have any kind of read on him? Hopeless1der generally doesn't play the game as scum. He doesn't play all that much as town, but even less as scum. This game, he said he'd actually play, and then he confirmed. And then he vanished. After rolling scum last game and not doing much, if he rolled scum again this game, I would expect even less. meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh We will see about hopeless. In my experience he is one of the easier reads in this game. Good night. | ||
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On August 27 2015 15:18 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Justanothertownie, please explain this post.On August 26 2015 08:30 justanothertownie wrote: Poking people with sticks isn't very nice. Throwing stones is also an action I would deem quite hostile. Seems pretty scummy to me. How is not balantly obvious to you that it is a joke? | ||
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On August 27 2015 11:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 10:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 10:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On August 27 2015 10:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 10:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On August 27 2015 10:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 10:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Moosy I'm here entertain me Why exactly did you say that JAT was town earlier? What post/argument in particular made you change your mind. I said somewhere that JAT was town, but I didn't really have a reason for it. I thought that Palmar's argument was bad, and figured that JAT was just the victim of Palmar's rage. He was probably just town being attacked. I did think, though, the way he stood his ground against Palmar was townie. However, somewhere along the line I realized that no matter JAT's alignment he can't just back down. I still don't think that Palmar's case has any weight, and this meta stuff i don't care about. I told JAT I'd lynch him if he didn't do anything productive, and that's true. He's complained about Palmar scumreading him but hasn't really done much (scumhunting) to earn himself a pass for today. So...town read? scum read? null read? exactly where is he on ur list of reads. It's evolved from probably just town to nullish into I-have-no-idea lol Why didn't you just read him as an angry townie and instead scum read JAT down to a null read? -shrugs- if you think there's no real case on him then he should be a town in your eyes. If that's the case, I think you should try to work with him to calm him down and get him to be productive. Instead i saw you scum reading him for being accused of what's "no real case" and getting angry over it. I agree there was / is no real case on him, but JAT's reaction to the pressure is pretty horrible because he isn't doing anything productive. I figure if he were townie he'd shrug off the pressure and just give his reads. Right? I think mafia have a higher propensity to get angry about being scumread. I also wanted to see his reaction to me flipping on him. His reaction was thus: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 06:58 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 06:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: JAT I need your top scumread. I could lynch you because I think you are being objectively scummy by sulking that Palmar is being a meanie pants. So if you're town please brush yourself off and behind anew like a phoenix rising from it's ashes. Produce all that content that others are not providing. Haha, you are a funny one. Weren't you the guy harddefending me earlier? And now you want to lynch me for being "objectively scummy" even though I wasn't even in the thread since then? It's midnight, I am drunk and I have to get up early tomorrow. If you think I will put any serious effort in right now you are delusional. It's part incorrect, part weird since he liked my posts about Wave. I also asked him nicely to be productive and rise from his ashes. To the bolded: No, this is not how this works. And please explain what exactly is incorrect? What is weird about it? My exact point is that your posts look too good to come from town CC which sounds stupid but is still pretty logical. I have no idea how you could see a contradiction there if you actually read what I said about you. | ||
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On August 27 2015 17:37 Trfel wrote: Vivax, do you find that post funny at all? If you cannot see that this is never a serious post I question not only your alignment but also your sanity. | ||
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On August 27 2015 17:42 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + It doesn't make sense to me as a serious post.On August 27 2015 17:41 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 17:37 Trfel wrote: Vivax, do you find that post funny at all? If you cannot see that this is never a serious post I question not only your alignment but also your sanity. But it doesn't make sense to me as a joke, either. At all. I need another opinion. I bet you do. It must be incredibly important to you to figure out if that post is in fact a joke or not. Almost as important as talking about Palmars opinion on marv when both hadn't done anything and weren't even there. Almost as useful as pushing the guy that didn't post even once so far. What was it that you thought makes this scummy btw.? | ||
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On August 27 2015 17:50 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I just don't understand your stance on rsoultin and Palmar over the course of the game. You keep accusing them of things that would strongly suggest that they are scum, and then call them probably town. Which makes no logical sense (if you think they're town, there's no reason to keep pointing out things and accusing them of being scummy).On August 27 2015 17:45 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 17:42 Trfel wrote: On August 27 2015 17:41 justanothertownie wrote: It doesn't make sense to me as a serious post.On August 27 2015 17:37 Trfel wrote: Vivax, do you find that post funny at all? If you cannot see that this is never a serious post I question not only your alignment but also your sanity. But it doesn't make sense to me as a joke, either. At all. I need another opinion. I bet you do. It must be incredibly important to you to figure out if that post is in fact a joke or not. Almost as important as talking about Palmars opinion on marv when both hadn't done anything and weren't even there. Almost as useful as pushing the guy that didn't post even once so far. What was it that you thought makes this scummy btw.? Though I can see it coming from town, it just annoys me for some reason? And makes it hard for me to not scumread you. Never in this game did I call them scummy at all. I called them dumb and I said that what they are doing is antitown which is both true if they are town. | ||
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On August 27 2015 17:50 Trfel wrote: Though I can see it coming from town, it just annoys me for some reason? And makes it hard for me to not scumread you. This is bullshit btw. You read both of them town, right? So if I can identifie the same even though they are pushing on me without any reason that makes it "hard for you not to scumread me" somehow? That is something that REALLY doesn't make any sense. | ||
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He clearly isn't reading and/or understanding my posts and comes to completely incorrect conclusions which alone is not a scumtell but he is pretty strongly indicating that he thinks I am mafia as a result of it. But he is too afraid to vote me. He votes the no post guy instead. He is not addressing the posts I made about him or CC directly but instead dismissing them entirely giving really weak reasoning for disagreeing with them. FOR EXAMPLE: He said I cannot say that CCs posts are too clean if I disagree with some of his reads. Well if he was actually willing to try and analyse the posts I made about CC he would have noticed that I am primarily talking about CCs read on myself. Yet that is something Trfel completely ignores in his whole analysis. | ||
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On August 27 2015 18:02 Trfel wrote: And yes, I do? Because I'm obviously town? And I have a very hard time believing this can be genuine. There is no way Trfel can think he was towny enough for Palmar to call him confirmed town when he did. This lacks any towny paranoia and feels like he just said it because he thought a townie should answer like this. | ||
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On August 27 2015 18:37 Palmar wrote: Worst player TL. Speak for yourself. | ||
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On August 27 2015 18:40 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 18:39 Palmar wrote: Like please don't do that if you're town marv. I'm trying to get in the groove of just saying fuck it and hard town reading you if I have no reason to call you mafia, but you're actively trying to create reasons for me to call you mafia. no, you're actively being really shit. You are pretty late to notice this. He has done nothing else all game. | ||
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August 27 2015 10:02 GMT
#1013
On August 27 2015 18:59 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 18:42 marvellosity wrote: On August 27 2015 18:41 Palmar wrote: On August 27 2015 18:39 marvellosity wrote: On August 27 2015 18:38 Palmar wrote: On August 27 2015 18:30 marvellosity wrote: Really don't like Trfel's rsoultin read. I think rsoultin really is "obviously town", unlike the person claiming that he is. You're making me really paranoid about you by even entertaining the notion Trfel is mafia. i don't care. you've just been shit all game. No, I've provided a ton of reads and opinions that are very valuable for town. You don't get to call me shit when you've just been fencesitting the whole thing and now you're taking the wrong side. no you haven't. you've been shit. explain yourself. don't just say what i'm saying is all wrong, explain to me why a town Trfel who knows rsoultin very well isn't townreading an obviously town rsoultin stop throwing shit like a dickhead be useful for once in your pathetic existence. Maybe I'm just mad that he got called out for complete bs by mulitple people and I'm putting too strong of a townread on him because I hate it when people get called out for something they shouldn't be called out for. Oh god the irony is killing me. | ||
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August 27 2015 10:10 GMT
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On August 27 2015 19:06 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 19:02 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 18:59 Palmar wrote: On August 27 2015 18:42 marvellosity wrote: On August 27 2015 18:41 Palmar wrote: On August 27 2015 18:39 marvellosity wrote: On August 27 2015 18:38 Palmar wrote: On August 27 2015 18:30 marvellosity wrote: Really don't like Trfel's rsoultin read. I think rsoultin really is "obviously town", unlike the person claiming that he is. You're making me really paranoid about you by even entertaining the notion Trfel is mafia. i don't care. you've just been shit all game. No, I've provided a ton of reads and opinions that are very valuable for town. You don't get to call me shit when you've just been fencesitting the whole thing and now you're taking the wrong side. no you haven't. you've been shit. explain yourself. don't just say what i'm saying is all wrong, explain to me why a town Trfel who knows rsoultin very well isn't townreading an obviously town rsoultin stop throwing shit like a dickhead be useful for once in your pathetic existence. Maybe I'm just mad that he got called out for complete bs by mulitple people and I'm putting too strong of a townread on him because I hate it when people get called out for something they shouldn't be called out for. Oh god the irony is killing me. I'm going to be very upfront with you right now. If rsoultin thinks i'm making something out of nothing with Trfel, and she is still fairly convinced you are mafia by EoD, I'm very likely to follow her and vote to lynch you, because i haven't got enough to tell me to do otherwise. And I'm saying this now so you can get your shouting at me out the way, because that's how it's likely to turn out unless your posting on your birthday miraculously changes enough for me to read you town I am not going to shout at you. But I have seriously no idea why 1) you give rsoultin so much credit (I can somewhat see it on her Trfel read but not on myself), 2) you would lynch me even though you do not have a reason to think I am mafia because you know it is an objectively bad play to do this day1 3) why you think I could be mafia in the first place. | ||
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August 27 2015 10:13 GMT
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If I get mislynched today then I will be angry with rsoultin and Palmar if they are town because they acted retardedly and made me not want to play this game while jerking off about their incorrect and stupid read on me. But if people need to mislynch me once before they realize that this is not the way to figure out my alignment then so be it. I have no motivation to put up with this shit today. I will not be angry with you because you have been reasonable all game. That you aren't able to read me correctly is just very disappointing. | ||
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August 27 2015 10:14 GMT
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On August 27 2015 19:12 Palmar wrote: The cool thing is JAT hard townreads me. It'd be so much more annoying if he actually scumread me. Hardtownread is a little much and you haven't done anything productive in ages. But I still wouldn't lynch you. | ||
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August 27 2015 10:16 GMT
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On August 27 2015 19:14 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 19:13 justanothertownie wrote: So, I will be upfront with you right now marv: If I get mislynched today then I will be angry with rsoultin and Palmar if they are town because they acted retardedly and made me not want to play this game while jerking off about their incorrect and stupid read on me. But if people need to mislynch me once before they realize that this is not the way to figure out my alignment then so be it. I have no motivation to put up with this shit today. I will not be angry with you because you have been reasonable all game. That you aren't able to read me correctly is just very disappointing. Disappointing is like the worst emotion ever Well, then shape up and read me correctly so you don't disappoint me. It's that easy. | ||
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August 27 2015 10:17 GMT
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On August 27 2015 19:14 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 19:13 justanothertownie wrote: So, I will be upfront with you right now marv: If I get mislynched today then I will be angry with rsoultin and Palmar if they are town because they acted retardedly and made me not want to play this game while jerking off about their incorrect and stupid read on me. But if people need to mislynch me once before they realize that this is not the way to figure out my alignment then so be it. I have no motivation to put up with this shit today. I will not be angry with you because you have been reasonable all game. That you aren't able to read me correctly is just very disappointing. YOU ARE JERKING OFF ABOUT AN INCORRECT AND STUPID READ ON TRFEL SO FUCK YOU BRO 1) You do not know if it is incorrect or not. 2) Unlike you I haven't acted like an asshole about it all game. | ||
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August 27 2015 10:20 GMT
#1041
On August 27 2015 19:18 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 19:17 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 19:14 Palmar wrote: On August 27 2015 19:13 justanothertownie wrote: So, I will be upfront with you right now marv: If I get mislynched today then I will be angry with rsoultin and Palmar if they are town because they acted retardedly and made me not want to play this game while jerking off about their incorrect and stupid read on me. But if people need to mislynch me once before they realize that this is not the way to figure out my alignment then so be it. I have no motivation to put up with this shit today. I will not be angry with you because you have been reasonable all game. That you aren't able to read me correctly is just very disappointing. YOU ARE JERKING OFF ABOUT AN INCORRECT AND STUPID READ ON TRFEL SO FUCK YOU BRO 1) You do not know if it is incorrect or not. 2) Unlike you I haven't acted like an asshole about it all game. I have literally never been an asshole. I have called your question irrelevant, easily explained and frankly dumb. And I have also called you mafia repeatedly. That doesn't make me an asshole, it just means I'm playing the game. You're the one who has resorted much more to namecalling and shit. I will not get in an argument with you about this. We both know that half of your posts this game you only purposefully tried to get me on tilt. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 10:21 GMT
#1044
On August 27 2015 19:20 marvellosity wrote: tbh, jat, i remember you making me feel really guilty last time you were mafia and i was waffling on you :p Well, I guess that means I cannot do that as town then. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 11:25 GMT
#1065
On August 27 2015 19:58 Palmar wrote: jat left the thread when I wanted to talk substance. I will get to it. I am deeply sorry that my work requires me to not idle at a computer the entire day. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 11:31 GMT
#1068
On August 27 2015 20:23 rsoultin wrote: lol um so basically no he's townreading me but being an asshat by putting me in null to protect his ego lol truffle is pulling a marv. tbf he does always townread me (or claim he won't give a read on me but will instead ignore me, while treating me like town) ever since i've proven i can fool him when i'm scum it's nothing unusual for a town truffle? meh -_- what i don't like about jat really apart from his refusal to really play like i'd expect him to is i have a tendency to townread him even when he's scum and as i said before, that i'm this suspicious of him is just...it makes me not want to drop the read i have doubted it a couple times. i do think he could just be frustrated town playing shit. but his stubbornness about the truffle thing is very off-putting and his inability to work around suspicion is bad as well. i know he bullies people off him when he's scum so i'm trying to ignore the AtE and i'm trying not to fight with him when he keeps trying to draw me into one when i was giving him breathing room why he doesn't contribute to the game even while being scumread i don't understand. i've always been capable of that as town and my impression of him is he should be emotionally mature enough to be able to do that as town as well ftr if i throw fits without contributing that is almost always when i'm mafia like, i don't think he's town and i don't like to put it this way cause rayn's done this to me way too much recently and it makes you feel like shit if you are town but frankly...i don't think he can be this bad as town i still want to lynch him. conversely, i'm not like 100% or even close to 100% sure and i'd understand if people didn't think rsoul feels she's not even completely sure of are enough and now i think i've rambled and it's not clear -_- but anyway i'm not seeing anyone else who i think has a strong possibility of being scum, just a bunch of afkish blahs lol also vivax waffle vivax waffle someone help me with vivax why isn't it obvious what his alignment is to me @.@ 1) Stop applying your own meta to me. It is stupid. 2) I have not been shit and you never even remotely adressed any of the points I brought up directly so you don't get to call them shit in the first place. 3) Scumreading someone for the bolded is a common mistake which is done by new or bad players most of the time. You are doing exactly what you say makes people feel like shit as town (calling me scum for not being town enough instead of having any reason to scumread me) but then you are surprised when it pisses me off. At some point you should maybe start thinking about what you are doing/saying. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 11:33 GMT
#1071
How anyone can think this makes me (who will always become more readable as time goes by) the best day1 lynch does not know how to play the game of mafia. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 11:36 GMT
#1074
On August 27 2015 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 20:31 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 20:23 rsoultin wrote: lol um so basically no he's townreading me but being an asshat by putting me in null to protect his ego lol truffle is pulling a marv. tbf he does always townread me (or claim he won't give a read on me but will instead ignore me, while treating me like town) ever since i've proven i can fool him when i'm scum it's nothing unusual for a town truffle? meh -_- what i don't like about jat really apart from his refusal to really play like i'd expect him to is i have a tendency to townread him even when he's scum and as i said before, that i'm this suspicious of him is just...it makes me not want to drop the read i have doubted it a couple times. i do think he could just be frustrated town playing shit. but his stubbornness about the truffle thing is very off-putting and his inability to work around suspicion is bad as well. i know he bullies people off him when he's scum so i'm trying to ignore the AtE and i'm trying not to fight with him when he keeps trying to draw me into one when i was giving him breathing room why he doesn't contribute to the game even while being scumread i don't understand. i've always been capable of that as town and my impression of him is he should be emotionally mature enough to be able to do that as town as well ftr if i throw fits without contributing that is almost always when i'm mafia like, i don't think he's town and i don't like to put it this way cause rayn's done this to me way too much recently and it makes you feel like shit if you are town but frankly...i don't think he can be this bad as town i still want to lynch him. conversely, i'm not like 100% or even close to 100% sure and i'd understand if people didn't think rsoul feels she's not even completely sure of are enough and now i think i've rambled and it's not clear -_- but anyway i'm not seeing anyone else who i think has a strong possibility of being scum, just a bunch of afkish blahs lol also vivax waffle vivax waffle someone help me with vivax why isn't it obvious what his alignment is to me @.@ 1) Stop applying your own meta to me. It is stupid. 2) I have not been shit and you never even remotely adressed any of the points I brought up directly so you don't get to call them shit in the first place. 3) Scumreading someone for the bolded is a common mistake which is done by new or bad players most of the time. You are doing exactly what you say makes people feel like shit as town (calling me scum for not being town enough instead of having any reason to scumread me) but then you are surprised when it pisses me off. At some point you should maybe start thinking about what you are doing/saying. yes, this is how i toneread people i know i have an insanely good track record reading people this way, especially good players. by insanely i mean somewhere over 90% and it's always players like marv, damdy, rayn, etc. etc. whether or not the method looks good to others (and i'm aware it doesn't look strong) it works. that's why i use it this is an example of attacking me instead of contributing which i'd expect you to be capable of as town, because i am, and as you've repeatedly attempted to say in direct and not so direct ways, i'm a horrible player so you should be better than me right? That you think you can read marv, damdred or rayn (even if you were right on it) in no way means you can read me. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 11:37 GMT
#1076
On August 27 2015 20:36 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 20:33 justanothertownie wrote: Essentially there is noone who really thinks I am scum for anything else than not being insanely towny while there are multiple very viable explanations for this observation. How anyone can think this makes me (who will always become more readable as time goes by) the best day1 lynch does not know how to play the game of mafia. the last time you told me to shut up about a d1 read i had because "objectively" they weren't a good d1 lynch it was marv in assassination he was mafia you were mafia play This is completely irrelevant to what I said. You are drawing connections where no connections can be drawn. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 11:37 GMT
#1077
On August 27 2015 20:37 marvellosity wrote: none of this is in any way helpful jat and only increases your chances of being lynched I do not care. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 11:39 GMT
#1079
On August 27 2015 20:37 marvellosity wrote: well you're bitching about being lynched while saying you don't care that what you're doing is getting you lynched. whatever bro. I am bitching about being lynched for 0 reason. If that's already enough then it doesn't matter what I say or if it makes it more likely for you idiots to lynch me. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 11:44 GMT
#1083
On August 27 2015 20:40 marvellosity wrote: fine, you're getting lynched for 0 reason. the whole game is full of idiots and they love lynching you based on nothing. Now we've established that, there's little point bitching about being lynched for 0 reason, that's just the way things are. you could like... talk about other things. You won't believe but I like that you made this post. I somehow doubt that the first 2 lines are honest but that really is what we SHOULD have established by now. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 11:45 GMT
#1084
On August 27 2015 20:43 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 20:40 marvellosity wrote: fine, you're getting lynched for 0 reason. the whole game is full of idiots and they love lynching you based on nothing. Now we've established that, there's little point bitching about being lynched for 0 reason, that's just the way things are. you could like... talk about other things. so much this -_- reads jat come on. if you have to talk to him instead of me, do it, but do it The more you try to give orders the me the longer I will wait until I do anything besides calling you stupid. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 11:47 GMT
#1087
On August 27 2015 20:42 rsoultin wrote: you still seem to lack comprehension as to why i want to lynch you whether you agree with my initial scumread or not, whether you think it was stupid or not, that's not why i still want to lynch you. it has everything to do with your reaction to literally two players who let's be honest people tend to ignore on day ones so acting like you're some sort of martyr this whole time is fucking stupid Since when do people tend to ignore you and Palmar day1? That's simply incorrect and even if it wasn't it clearly is not applicable this game since marv said he would sheep you on this for whatever reason. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 11:48 GMT
#1088
On August 27 2015 20:46 marvellosity wrote: jat, you're even more difficult than me, and that's really saying something :p What can I say - I just outperform you in any way possible. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 11:50 GMT
#1090
On August 27 2015 20:49 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 20:48 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 20:46 marvellosity wrote: jat, you're even more difficult than me, and that's really saying something :p What can I say - I just outperform you in any way possible. apart from getting lynched d1 I think the likelihood of me getting lynched is higher so I am outperforming you in getting lynched d1 too. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 11:51 GMT
#1092
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 11:58 GMT
#1094
On August 27 2015 20:54 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 20:45 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 20:43 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 20:40 marvellosity wrote: fine, you're getting lynched for 0 reason. the whole game is full of idiots and they love lynching you based on nothing. Now we've established that, there's little point bitching about being lynched for 0 reason, that's just the way things are. you could like... talk about other things. so much this -_- reads jat come on. if you have to talk to him instead of me, do it, but do it The more you try to give orders the me the longer I will wait until I do anything besides calling you stupid. it's not orders this is me appealing to the town in jat to help me get out of my scumread on you if there is no town in jat feel free to ignore it i have explained why i think you're scum and have attempted to give you the opportunity to change that read multiple times while you continue to act like some sort of toddler in the middle of a tantrum calling me names and calling me shit. okay. whatever. i'm shit. that make you happy? now do something to make even a shit player like me think you're town. marv is waffling on you cause you objectively do not look town and no, palmar and i do get ignored a lot cause of our reasons for things. it is what it is. he gets paid attention to a bit more cause he's proven he's not shit and i sometimes get paid attention to depending on who is in the game, but an early toneread from us is not enough to hang you so this display is just juvenile this is the last time i'm appealing to you if you're town clearly my read is wonky but it won't be completely my fault, either, tbf and it will be one of the few mislynches i've pushed that i won't feel particularly bad about -_- so please if you're town just make it clear, damn you I never said that I objectively look town. But that shouldn't be a reason to lynch me in ANY world because I also OBJECTIVELY do not look scummy. You don't get ignored because evidently you 2 pushing it is enough to lynch me. You should feel REALLY bad about this mislynch if you go through with it because by mislynching me you will have achieved a level of stupidity noone ever reached before. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 11:59 GMT
#1095
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 12:04 GMT
#1099
On August 27 2015 21:01 rsoultin wrote: that was the last time i'm appealing to you. it's up to you now i will also be ignoring all posts like this ^ that are blatant attempts at AtE/bullying you've been warned and now i'm gonna eat breakfast and go to class so ye...i'll read what goes on jat...bf...hopeless i think would be my lynches in that order? i don't much care about condor personally one way or another either but i know he was a super easy mislynch in storm so eh You should maybe have done this from the start because "appealing to me" which in your case is a translation for "shitting on my play while trying to boss me around" is clearly not helping anyone. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 12:07 GMT
#1100
On August 27 2015 21:03 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: justanothertownie just bored now tbh. That's fine I don't expect you to townread me for my rage but you shouldn't expect real contributions while I am at work. Maybe I will do something later even though it annoys me to no end that I have to put up with this impressive level of idiocy on my fucking birthday. If I do so it is your job to critically evaluate it and come to the right conclusion and if you don't then you can keep being terrible and lynch me for not doing what you guys want me to. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 12:12 GMT
#1102
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 12:34 GMT
#1109
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 12:50 GMT
#1114
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 13:59 GMT
#1138
On August 27 2015 22:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 22:24 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 27 2015 22:20 KelsierSC wrote: On August 27 2015 22:16 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 27 2015 07:37 KelsierSC wrote: I don't buy the CC looks too good so he must be mafia. This is a thing. It's literally in his sig and he PLAYS around it AS mafia. Go read the QT from Nomination mafia (I think) where he mentions it several times after replacing in. im just not going to do that What do you think about my post about CC's case? Just remove anything that says anything about "looks too good to be town" and give me your opinion. I mean, the only thing that's really marks against CC right now is meta (which is useless in this case) and that he has taken very confident early stances. It's suspicious enough to warrant a second look since the second point can be TMI, but I don't think it's enough to try and make a case on him D1. Why do you think CCs meta is useless here? I see no reason to think this at all. On August 27 2015 22:39 Palmar wrote: Just so it's clear. JAT you're NOT being lynched for no reason. You're being lynched, in part because of the expectation that you're not shit at mafia, for making an observation/comment about that was very easily explainable about a guy who is going to flip town this game. Then you keep pushing that same person for awful reasons. Sure, you may just be town and wrong, but I'm applying the expected standard that if someone is obvious town you should not be going after them. Or I'm wrong. But I doubt that. You are the only one scumreading me for that and the fact that nobody agrees with your Trfel is confirmed town nonsense should tell you something. On August 27 2015 22:43 Palmar wrote: Also jat, I offer you this deal. If Trfel flips scum, I'll admit I was bad and you were right. If Trfel flips town, you admit you're a baddie and there were real good reasons to lynch you. The downside for you is you have to admit you're a baddie even if you yourself are mafia, not just if you flip town. Why would I sign this deal? I do not know what Trfel flips and even if he flips town that does not make me a better lynch. Being wrong is not a scumtell otherwise you and rsoultin would be my top mafiareads. And you will have to admit you were bad anyways since you based your whole game so far on me being scum and called me 100 % scum repeatedly. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 14:00 GMT
#1139
On August 27 2015 22:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Further this content from Trfel would have you believe that he's looking for an alternative lynch to JAT - SOMEONE I'VE BEEN HARD DEFENDING ALL FUCKING GAME. Yet I'm a mafia read at latest count, apparently WITH JAT? AND HE DOESN'T WANT TO LYNCH EITHER OF US?!?!? I'm really fighting an urge to instavote. Yes, that post evidently induces an urge to vote. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 14:32 GMT
#1172
On August 27 2015 21:56 marvellosity wrote: I can pay attention in fits and starts while i'm at work (next 4 hours) and then in the couple hours leading up to deadline i guess. Ok, I will tell you how this will go. At some point (maybe now, maybe later - at some point I will have to get some much needed sleep in) I will read the filters and give you a list with my opinion on anyone. We can then discuss who we are lynching today and once there is a good candidate I may conduct further research on that player. You will consider me confirmed town as long as we are discussing this because that is the world we are living in and I have no interest in talking to you about hypothetical worlds or to defend against any bad read you or anyone you for some inexplicable reason trust have/has on me. Anyone who wants to chime in and be acknowledged as doing so has to do the same or I will simply ignore them. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 14:35 GMT
#1179
On August 27 2015 23:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 23:32 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 21:56 marvellosity wrote: I can pay attention in fits and starts while i'm at work (next 4 hours) and then in the couple hours leading up to deadline i guess. Ok, I will tell you how this will go. At some point (maybe now, maybe later - at some point I will have to get some much needed sleep in) I will read the filters and give you a list with my opinion on anyone. We can then discuss who we are lynching today and once there is a good candidate I may conduct further research on that player. You will consider me confirmed town as long as we are discussing this because that is the world we are living in and I have no interest in talking to you about hypothetical worlds or to defend against any bad read you or anyone you for some inexplicable reason trust have/has on me. Anyone who wants to chime in and be acknowledged as doing so has to do the same or I will simply ignore them. He says, with <8h to go. But do eet. 8 hours is a long time. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 14:38 GMT
#1187
On August 27 2015 23:36 Palmar wrote: Is it hypocritical to be slightly suspicious of WoS for TMI in sort of defending Trfel? How can I be mafia for misreading Trfel and WoS mafia for reading him correctly in a TMI kind of way at the same time? THat seems pretty impossible. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 14:39 GMT
#1191
On August 27 2015 23:37 marvellosity wrote: don't really see myself lynching trfel today Based purely on rsoultins toneread or anything concrete? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 14:42 GMT
#1201
On August 27 2015 23:41 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 23:39 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm hoping this game is as easy at it seems. On the surface the mafia is like: decon Vivax bf and we win. The probability that there is at least 1 or 2 in there is definitely exists. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 14:43 GMT
#1202
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 14:43 GMT
#1204
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 14:44 GMT
#1208
On August 27 2015 23:43 marvellosity wrote: obviously the possibility exists lol On August 27 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote: Goddamn it. You know what I meant. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 14:45 GMT
#1213
On August 27 2015 23:44 WaveofShadow wrote: JAT question for you. Do you actually think I'm scum? Because I'm not sure if I remember you mentioning it anywhere. If so, is it anything independent of CC? I think you could very well be scum and have said so before. I reserve further judgement until I read your filter but I don't think it had anything to do with CC. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 15:14 GMT
#1277
On August 27 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote: scumreading jat and voting someone who hasn't posted is just so fucking weird. would he even do that as mafia? am confused What the actual fuck? Did you even read my posts about him earlier? I said EXACTLY this. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 15:18 GMT
#1286
On August 28 2015 00:02 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 00:00 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 27 2015 23:58 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 23:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Add to that the fact that he calls both myself AND JAT mafia and votes for NEITHER of us - which is really odd considering JAT was (and is?) the current vote leader. So he doesn't want to lynch JAT? Why not the other mafias he's reading? Why an inactive that could just be AFK town? Why would he do this as scum? Why wouldn't he? He knows I'm town and (I think) JAT is town, and he doesn't want the full force of either of us bearing down on him. So he votes for someone else, hides his "reasoning" in spoilers and crosses his fingers. Why would he do this as town? He's more confident of his metaread on hopeless? What "metaread"? There is no metaread since there is no meta. The guy did not post. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 15:19 GMT
#1289
On August 28 2015 00:17 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 00:14 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote: scumreading jat and voting someone who hasn't posted is just so fucking weird. would he even do that as mafia? am confused What the actual fuck? Did you even read my posts about him earlier? I said EXACTLY this. Are you townreading truffle now cause if you're not them you didn't say exactly this :/ That post is no townread. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 15:22 GMT
#1295
On August 28 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 00:14 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote: scumreading jat and voting someone who hasn't posted is just so fucking weird. would he even do that as mafia? am confused What the actual fuck? Did you even read my posts about him earlier? I said EXACTLY this. the fact you, or anyone else, had a particular thought before doesn't stop me from having it later while i'm musing on it ^^ Yes, but then why did you not say anything when I brought it up and later claim I do not contribute? Whatever. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 15:43 GMT
#1329
On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Catching up. Frigging euro dominated game ##unvote Should have just said marv/Palmar dominated game. Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point. Let's see. Welcome back CC. First thoughts are that he's town because I remember him posting similarly to this in a couple of towngames we played together, that being said there is ONE old-as-hell scumgame of his I want to look back at (where he ragequit eventually 'cause his team was shitty or something?) because what someone (marv?) said about him being more coherent as scum could be true but I truly don't remember. 2-year-old meta meh anyway but I have re-embraced the use of meta recently to decent effect so we'll see. Tentative townread for the moment. Rsoul extremely likely to be town from interactions. Scummiest people stand out to me as JAT because the last time I remember Palmar going like this on anyone, it was on me when I was scum when nobody else ever catches me. Moosy because pocketing efforts when I am the only one in this game he knows to be 'good.' I say 'good' because I have been SUPER on point in the last whole bunch of games I've played (as both alignments for once) and Moosy correctly realizes that I could be a threat based on that. Which brings me to Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 23:14 marvellosity wrote: On August 26 2015 23:13 Palmar wrote: Wave is a shitty has-been player anyway can't be a has-been if you're a never-was ^ wow, what a bitch Fucking brutal guys. Is all of that really necessary? I actually have gained some confidence in my play for once and I refuse to let it be crushed by the likes of you. Unfortunately the fact that I'm not here means if either of the aforementioned are scum I won't have contributed at all to their lynches which is super bleh. ##vote: JAT This is still the biggest problem I have with Wave. He talks about anything besides me but votes me. We will see later that this is a reoccurring theme. On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push. You're sweet. I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep. I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read. He probably would have said the same “I am way better than that” last game when he just afked to victory. That’s not an argument and Wave should know it. Here we also have the “fairly decent read” statement. On August 27 2015 01:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:05 KelsierSC wrote: On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push. You're sweet. I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep. I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read. what is it that is good about it? I got some feels about it a little early on because I'm used to JAT being a fun-killer as town and wasn't getting any of that, and he was fairly forgettable early as well when he has no problem inserting himself into stuff. The fact that Palmar when ham super early makes it more difficult for ME to get a better read on him, but also the fact that Palmar is going ham on him so early is a good sign based on my recent experiences with town Palmar, so I am absolutely fine sheeping here. Certainly doesn't hurt that marv agrees and is 99.9% town. Completely shifts every bit of blame and responsibility for his most important read to Palmar and never puts in any effort to figure out if I am actually mafia or what even constitutes Palmars read. Prove: On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno. Palmars whole read on me is based on the Trfel stuff. On August 27 2015 02:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 02:03 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 01:59 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 01:56 rsoultin wrote: On August 27 2015 01:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 01:38 rsoultin wrote: Message to a non-jatty jat: When do you plan on showing up to this game? -your not-so-friendly neighborhood raoul rsoul, do you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"? If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid. If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it. i know that truffle's question did not raise red flags with me, which generally means that the context (and y'all are taking this out of context lovelies) makes the question make sense. when i review it i fully expect to find someone else scumreading marv (wave/ve?) and him saying well i want to wait and see what palmar thinks in that context which as i said since no red flags when i read it, i completely expect to find, there is not a damn thing weird about this supposed "question" and jat pinging him out on it is puke-worthy it's possible i misread. doubt it There is literally 0 reason for rfel to say that at this point. It is pure filler. You pinging me out for this is puke-worthy. prove it ^^ Trfel posts WAY better filler as scum. This statement is really curious. Does this mean Wave thinks Trfels towngame is worse than his scumgame? It doesn’t make any sense. On August 27 2015 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Like MAYBE I can see Moosy giving lynch wagon credit to rsoul. Maybe. But me? This post I really agree with. The problem is that I don’t know if I should award Wave any townpoints for it since he would realize how little he contributes towards it as both alignments. If anything it shows that Wave is still willing to lynch me without putting in effort to read me. On August 27 2015 03:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 03:18 rsoultin wrote: oh, i forgot someone (viva i think?) mentioned my trfel-whisperer thing lol >< i think? (don't quote me here) that the last time i was actually town and playing with trfel was noir? lol all of that noise in my scum games was just that...noise i do trust that i'm fairly good at reading him and i've seen nothing that screams scum to me, however i'm not 100% balls to the wall i'll defend trfel from any and all comers by any means. i actually feel that his absence (although not out of character) is a mark against him -_- seeing as how he handled this last scum game with me and i doubt he'd be any more motivated this time that said the early push was not something i'd expect from a scum trfel and was sufficiently inquisitive to not ring my trfel is being overly aggressive alarm bells i wouldn't lynch him today Do I have reason to trust your trfel-whisperer thing? Don't you claim to have reads like that on other people too like brehske or something? Are those truly always right? I don't remember. This post feels super out of place to me. Wave probably knows about her tonereads very well. What does this question achieve? Filler. In essence I think barring me finding better targets Wave already has a decent shot at being mafia. His vote is still on me and he hasn’t put the slightest bit of effort into figuring me out. 0 interest in the alignment of the leading wagon is not what I expect of a town Waveofshadow. I will make a donotlynch list later and he will certainly not be part of it. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 15:45 GMT
#1331
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 15:47 GMT
#1332
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 15:48 GMT
#1336
On August 28 2015 00:47 rsoultin wrote: Eh rehashed and not that interesting the first time honestly Shut the fuck up if you do not have anything constructive to say. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 15:59 GMT
#1344
This filter is way shorter than I expected and that’s already a very bad sign. On August 27 2015 00:50 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 09:45 Trfel wrote: On August 26 2015 07:54 boxerfred wrote: Generally, "yay" implies excitement or happiness. But this is boxerfred's only post so far.yay, vt, 4th game in a row or so. Were he actually excited or happy, I would have expected him to make more than one post (or at least comment on something). Anyway, hello. First to tryhard, only one to miss the sarcasm, then proceeds to talk about something else anyway, and rsoultin doesn't mention this (Trfel whisperer?). Pretty out of line with the rest of the thread at that moment. I'm surprised nobody else picked up on this. Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 00:39 KelsierSC wrote: On August 27 2015 00:37 Vivax wrote: Been a while since Palmar actually played on D1. What happened? who cares I do cause the last two times I remember him doing that were when he caught GB on D1 and as mafia in Titanic something. In case I lack better options I'll sheep him and if he's wrong lynch him. On August 27 2015 01:00 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 10:48 Trfel wrote: To clarify: On August 26 2015 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm town. Marv playing like Palmar makes me vom a little in my mouth. Otherwise I like most everyone who's posted so far. On August 26 2015 09:52 Trfel wrote: On August 26 2015 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Most everyone?Hi I'm town. Marv playing like Palmar makes me vom a little in my mouth. Otherwise I like most everyone who's posted so far. Who don't you like? On August 26 2015 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll give more details as they become relevant Trfel. I just don't understand why the bolded sentence is included. Assuming that you are town, saying that you like most of the people who have posted but refusing to specify which ones doesn't accomplish anything. To me it feels like you needed to add an additional comment, but didn't want to commit to townreading everyone who posted or to any other suspicions. Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote: On August 26 2015 12:01 rsoultin wrote: Family comes first, sorry.truffle you aren't talking to me >> I'll be more active in maybe another hour and a half, if you're still awake then. Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. What marv said until the last post: Speaking about additional comments with no basis, Trfel makes it into the candidates for the D1 lynch. Those posts are the only ones I think are kinda towny but I had posted the same long before Vivax did so w/e. I liked how he pointed out that Trfel is missing sarcasm/jokes left and right which still holds true. The rest of his filter are pretty obvious/easy things to say and it completely lacks any kind of Vivax paranoia and craziness. He was also on my side early and I think there has to be mafia in the people who defended me or didn’t want to pick a side rather than in the people openly pushing me. This guy also does not make the donotlynch list. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 16:02 GMT
#1346
On August 28 2015 00:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: That feeling when you're playing so damn good that everyone thinks you're mafia for it. Just saying, 1.5 year old meta is all but abandoned at this point. I totally get why VE'd think I'd be mafia--he played in nomination with me--but he'd also think I were mafia If i led the wagon on justice on scum. Also he may still be salty from 2 years ago in Noir Mini where I destroyed him (OK, he had me down as mafia, but nobody else did and we shot VE in the night ) as scum. Marv is more mafia for calling me mafia. #omgus A player with good analytical skills like that is hinging on a tone / old meta read and I don't think I've played a game as scum with him in it before. And I'm like his top scumread besides JAT, who he was waffling on superhard before. I don't get it. I still think Wave is mafia for not evaluating the game critically and letting Palmar do everything, it seems so textbook mafia. But he looks like he's been doing stuff since then, however mostly unrelated to figuring out JAT's alignment, which should be his number 1 priority as town. I actually agree with his point about KSC agreeing with the hopeless read, because the hopeless read is trash. The only problem is that I've been townreading KSC since ~a couple hours after I scumread him in my first post. But it's a matter of whether or not KSC actually agrees with the meta reasoning behind the read or not. He doesn't just agree because someone he admires said so, he agrees because he actually believes in a trash read. Wave asked a question to JAT, something along the lines of: "did your read on me have anything to do with CC" and jat replied that it did not. However, JAT called my posts absolutely true and good. ??? Is this guy just openly parroting me or am I imagining things? Yes, I called your posts good btw. but I had scumread Wave prior to that and I was primarily talking about the stuff related to me. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 16:04 GMT
#1348
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 16:06 GMT
#1349
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 16:12 GMT
#1356
On August 28 2015 01:11 Hopeless1der wrote: Oh god the spampocalypse. I was not prepared for this. I'm going to go full blazinghand and use his RNG methods while I read the thread and then yolo it. RNG being this (post's ID)Mod13 (0=decon, 1=wave, 2=vivax etc) Probably a good lynch too. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 16:24 GMT
#1377
I retract all suspicion on this guy. Seems very towny to me. Careless, confident, involved. Towny. Earlier when I did not have the time to further investigate him this posts and the ones around it in his filter were throwing me off: On August 27 2015 02:07 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 02:03 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 01:58 Palmar wrote: On August 27 2015 01:34 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't really have much to say about that specifically. Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting. For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right. As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno. So you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"? If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid. If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it. To be perfectly honest, the townread on marv is in large based on his "this is delightful" post, because I was also enjoying that conversation a lot. Huh. Then that does make Trfel's question relevant in that context. No, it really doesn't. Because Trfel did not know this. Yes it does. Because it means that Trfel probs knew about the Palmarv bromance and felt that Palmar could have read marv based on those two posts. Either way, I'm getting tired of you just throwing things at everyone's posts with no purpose behind it. eh, I'll just sheep wave/rsoul. ##vote justanothertownie It doesn't make sense at first glance but reading his filter you can see some sort of line of thought throughout. Adding to general townyness there are these 2 post which as has already been stated are bad reasons to townread him but are reasons nevertheless: On August 26 2015 11:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: whew, i thought DMLE Investigator was a role and started shitting my pants until I re-looked over the OP and saw it was VT in this game. On August 26 2015 23:49 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 23:48 Palmar wrote: On August 26 2015 23:48 KelsierSC wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492282-tl-mafia-lxxii-gaiden-2?user=WaveofShadow fuck BH I agree FILTERS OR RIOT I literally just sent him PM asking for filters in OP. This guy makes the donotlynch list. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 16:25 GMT
#1380
On August 28 2015 01:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 01:22 marvellosity wrote: On August 28 2015 01:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: I still want to resolve JAT/Trfel. I feel that one is a scum wagon and one is a town. Highly unlikely it's both town or both mafia. why idk im mafia and just trying to scrape by. They're actually both town and I'm trying to force 2 town lynches in a row. duh. This is a very weird and unwarranted post though :/ | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 16:27 GMT
#1382
On August 28 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote: like specifically, what is it about their interactions or the interactions of others with them (and WHO in this case) that makes you feel town-town is "highly unlikely" idk it's just a feeling. look at the wagons and how people are reading the two. if we lynch one or the other, it's a potshot and splits the list making it easier to read. That's not a reason to assume we can't both be town man. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 16:28 GMT
#1385
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 16:28 GMT
#1386
On August 28 2015 01:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 01:27 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 28 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote: like specifically, what is it about their interactions or the interactions of others with them (and WHO in this case) that makes you feel town-town is "highly unlikely" idk it's just a feeling. look at the wagons and how people are reading the two. if we lynch one or the other, it's a potshot and splits the list making it easier to read. That's not a reason to assume we can't both be town man. so ur townreading Trfel? I did not say that. But there is no reason why we could NOT both be town. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 16:56 GMT
#1393
On August 28 2015 01:50 Palmar wrote: Can someone go check if Vivax is mafia? It's highly likely tbh. It really is. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 17:04 GMT
#1399
On August 28 2015 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Who fucked up formatting. JAT Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 20:30 justanothertownie wrote: On August 26 2015 20:26 KelsierSC wrote: On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time: On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote: Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. VE made the point about marv playing like palmar and trefl was questioning him plus marv was a point of contention so the question isn't really that strange. Yes, it is. I have no idea what about this is interesting to Trfel when marv had posted exactly those posts at that time: On August 26 2015 07:25 marvellosity wrote: heya On August 26 2015 08:50 marvellosity wrote: this is delightful. There is no way Trfel seriously expects Palmar to be able to make any kind of conclusion about marv based on this. So...a few of us established that this itself isn't the weirdest thing Trfel could have asked. At the very least some plausible explanations were offered, but JAT is having none of it and just deeptunnels based on this alone. I really would expect JAT as town to be more reasonable and consider other options than to tunnel in this way. I am aware he can be stubborn and have a stick where the sun don't shine at times, but he's not even necessarily being that way, just...oddly obstinate about something seemingly minor. Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote: On August 26 2015 22:22 rsoultin wrote: no it means the reason for your townread is bad, and if the reason for your townread is bad and there are reasons to think he's mafia you shouldn't be an rsoul and wait until the night before lylo to go oh shit i'm a numbnuts and now the guy who always wants to lynch me in lylo has to be convinced i'm just a numbnuts and not mafia and we should lynch the guy i was derping on @.@ He shouldn't townread me for that, true. But please don't try to make it look like you have any real reason to think I am mafia because you really don't. This looks like townJAT Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:30 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right. ???????????? What is this shit? This is one post JAT makes (and apparently Kelsier too) where I say something seemingly simple (to me at least) that they call me scummy for but marv very reasonably is able to point out the correct thought process/point I am trying to make. Can't tell if this is deliberate on either of their accounts because it's just weird. It's hard for me to tell from a non-biased point of view whether the points people are confused about SHOULD be things that anyone should EASILY be able to pick up on but they're being nitpicked 'cause scum or bad. I think this would be indicative if I could remember whether or not this is something JAT normally does---I feel like it is so maybe it's not indicative? I know for someone like HF it's completely non-indicative because he does that shit all the time to everyone. I should re-interate here that I think it's a little harder for me to read JAT this game because of the early pressure he's getting. Marv/rsoul made it very clear that they would have expected WAY more from him at this point were he town and I agree but I also think it's possible that JAT isn't just playing drama queen and playing up his stubbornness/anger to avoid doing stuff, but I truly do think JAT is a better player than to go 36h with only a weak push on Trfel to show for it. Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 02:22 Palmar wrote: On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I am leaving now. It is wednesday and wednesday night is pubquiz time. Maybe I will return for a short while later, maybe I won't. Can make any promises about tomorrows activity since it is my birthday. When I return I will flat out ignore any further bullshit brought up against me unless I think it is alignment indicative. Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little. Explain exactly why you think CC is mafia. He is a little too correct I think. Very very clean posts. Actually there IS a little more. Some stuff on CC, etc Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 08:09 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 08:07 marvellosity wrote: no it was world championships i was referring to but then this leads to another thought that i have to explain, and it's really not worth it but it doesn't matter enough :p maybe i'll flick through russia today, but my thoughts about recent games with you as town are as above ^^ I do understand you're being tunnelled and that's difficult (as either alignment) which is why i'm not hardcore on you, because if you'd played this unproductively regarding reads/posts and you weren't under a lot of pressure, i'd think you were very very likely mafia Whatever. Fact is I am not mafia and I trust you to see this at some point even thoughI will not have much time for this game. I would be very disappointed if you didn't because you are more or less the only player on this site who can read me. A LOT of these appeals throughout. No likey. Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 18:24 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 18:02 Trfel wrote: And yes, I do? Because I'm obviously town? And I have a very hard time believing this can be genuine. There is no way Trfel can think he was towny enough for Palmar to call him confirmed town when he did. This lacks any towny paranoia and feels like he just said it because he thought a townie should answer like this. Thought process is interesting but it really COULD just be town Trfel acting like this JAT immediately tosses it out. (Side note, that post where marv tells JAT exactly what he wants to hear about everyone being idiots and stuff made me want to lynch JAT SO BADLY just to be able to read the salt from either alignment postgame in the obs QT) I had the idea going into this that JAT was completely unreasonable and only did stuff when prodded a couple hours ago but that honestly seems to be untrue. I can't comfortably be rid of the fact that he could be scum simply based on Palmar's convictions and the couple bad things I see in here, coupled with the fact that JAT is overall a solid player and has done nothing in this game he couldn't have done as either alignment. I also don't like that he's latched onto me because he's obviously wrong but he seems to be increasingly reasonable about my play (which is sort of a trend given CC's recent post. Less so Kelsier because he keeps prodding me and I have no idea to what end) I think ultimately I continue to sheep my betters here whatever they decide on JAT but he's not clear scum by any means. I think I might like a Hopeless lynch better The terms wishy-washy and non-commital were made to describe this post. Wave still leaves his option to lynch me open without openly calling me scum and shifting blame to Palmar. Not a fan. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 17:06 GMT
#1402
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 17:07 GMT
#1404
On August 28 2015 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 02:06 justanothertownie wrote: Once I am mislynched he can then go back and say "Hey I reevaluated and said he might be town". Sorry but I only sheeped Palmar. You obviously know nothing of my play. Well, if that was true this would only make things fair. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 17:08 GMT
#1405
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 17:09 GMT
#1407
On August 28 2015 02:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Like...self analysis but why the fuck would I ever go back and do a huge analysis only to OPENLY admit I am still sheeping, SAME as I did earlier, and openly admit I have no good conclusions? It's just to shift blame to Palmar and make myself look 'good?' You think that post is in any way going to make me look good? SO frustrating that people continue to hinge on 'wishy-washy' as some indicator of scum. HF caught you on being wishy washy in heavyweight really early. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 17:10 GMT
#1409
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 17:13 GMT
#1414
On August 28 2015 02:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 02:09 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 02:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Like...self analysis but why the fuck would I ever go back and do a huge analysis only to OPENLY admit I am still sheeping, SAME as I did earlier, and openly admit I have no good conclusions? It's just to shift blame to Palmar and make myself look 'good?' You think that post is in any way going to make me look good? SO frustrating that people continue to hinge on 'wishy-washy' as some indicator of scum. HF caught you on being wishy washy in heavyweight really early. Ok, but is that something that I only do as scum? Enlighten me. Maybe not? But you definitely do it as mafia so your self-meta is incorrect | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 17:32 GMT
#1429
After reading his filter I am not really leaning one way or the other. There is no post where I thought "He couldn't post that as mafia" or "this is extremely towny" but he has been active and involved while pushing in directions I think are good -> Wave, Hopeless, Vivax. He has been pretty reasonable/logical about myself but on the other hand he never really took a stance on me/avoided doing that while still taking shots at many people who were attacking me. Not a townread but wouldn't lynch him today - he gets on the list. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 18:05 GMT
#1448
I like his filter a lot less than the individual posts when he made them. It is full of inconsistencies. On August 26 2015 22:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Rsoultin is town because she (?? Haven't played in so long and this is a new face, heard this person was female somewhere but I know those rarely exist on the internet) was excited to begin the day off and start metaphorically poking people with sticks. I really want to give MoosyDoosy a townread for: Show nested quote + so I think I will.On August 26 2015 11:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: whew, i thought DMLE Investigator was a role and started shitting my pants until I re-looked over the OP and saw it was VT in this game. VE is def town because he is withholding information. As odd as that sounds, I'd think mafia would be more self-conscious about coming out early in the day and claiming to have some reads but refuse to give them until an unspecified later time. Palmar and Marv are both probably town, I'll figure it out later. Palmar more town than Marv because he likes Rsoultin as town. Those are way too many townreads for that point in the game and they are all very easily given. The people are also all pretty likely town NOW. But at that time it wasn't this obvious. Might be tmi. On August 26 2015 22:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Palmar just thinks JAT is mafia because he think JAT has a poor read, or poor reasoning for Trfel to be mafia. That doesn't make jat mafia. On August 26 2015 22:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote: On August 26 2015 22:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 26 2015 22:45 rsoultin wrote: On August 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 26 2015 22:42 KelsierSC wrote: On August 26 2015 22:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: wait Marv what is your read on JAT? Like me, you didn't think his question was dumb The question wasn't the best question ever but I don't think the case on him is that good at the moment it comes down to that q and him not being "jatty" Yeah this. I don't really see much on JAT. If he's mafia, he'll still be mafia later in the day anyway. I think we should focus on Trfel rite now. truffle's probably town with the stipulation that he didn't make me laugh :/ I'd still like an answer to why he asked for an opinion on marv when there was literally almost nothing that marv had posted. I feel like it's getting punted to the side while people are trying to kill JAT. several games (2-3 that i'm aware of?) palmar has caught scum!marv off of about that many posts and lynched him d1. jat is not unaware of this (he was in at least one of those games) so it's not a ridiculous thing for truffle to say it is however a ridiculous thing for jat to latch onto, and most especially a ridiculous thing to be the only thing jat latches onto +1 On August 26 2015 23:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 23:28 KelsierSC wrote: like here is my issue with the whole thing "palmar caught marv in some games off like 2 posts so im waiting for palmar's thoughts on marv" for one thing JAT might not have known this was the case, trefl didn't even say this was the reason he wanted to get palmar's thoughts and even if JAT did know this happened he might have forgotten about it. with this in mind JAT asking trefl to explain his point isn't bad at all. I think we can all agree that JAT asking the question isn't very bad at all from an objective standpoint. Except Palmar. On August 26 2015 23:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 22:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 26 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote: On August 26 2015 22:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 26 2015 22:45 rsoultin wrote: On August 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 26 2015 22:42 KelsierSC wrote: On August 26 2015 22:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: wait Marv what is your read on JAT? Like me, you didn't think his question was dumb The question wasn't the best question ever but I don't think the case on him is that good at the moment it comes down to that q and him not being "jatty" Yeah this. I don't really see much on JAT. If he's mafia, he'll still be mafia later in the day anyway. I think we should focus on Trfel rite now. truffle's probably town with the stipulation that he didn't make me laugh :/ I'd still like an answer to why he asked for an opinion on marv when there was literally almost nothing that marv had posted. I feel like it's getting punted to the side while people are trying to kill JAT. several games (2-3 that i'm aware of?) palmar has caught scum!marv off of about that many posts and lynched him d1. jat is not unaware of this (he was in at least one of those games) so it's not a ridiculous thing for truffle to say it is however a ridiculous thing for jat to latch onto, and most especially a ridiculous thing to be the only thing jat latches onto This makes more sense and actually has the resemblance of an actual case. So your definition of an "actual case" is that JAT latched onto a particular statement that Trfel gave and it was the only thing he did. I agree that it's odd, and I'd probably lynch JAT if it was the only thing he did in an entire 48-hour period. However, you seem to be just looking for reasons to find JAT scummy. Those are the post that made me feel like his play is too clean. He is immediately 100 % right and really confident about it too. Not the slightest doubt visible. Notice however how the "+1" post doesn't fit in at all. Normally I would say he misread rsoultins post or made a similar mistake and it is possible that this is the case but he keeps messing up like this as you can see in the very next post. Somehow now it is odd for me to latch onto it while earlier he was absolutely sure that this did not make me scum at all. On August 27 2015 06:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: JAT I need your top scumread. I could lynch you because I think you are being objectively scummy by sulking that Palmar is being a meanie pants. So if you're town please brush yourself off and behind anew like a phoenix rising from it's ashes. Produce all that content that others are not providing. Then there is this post and it literally oozes the knowledge/expectation that I WILL in fact rise from the ashes. It still looks very much like CC knows I am town. On August 27 2015 04:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Catching up. Frigging euro dominated game ##unvote Should have just said marv/Palmar dominated game. Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point. Let's see. Welcome back CC. First thoughts are that he's town because I remember him posting similarly to this in a couple of towngames we played together, that being said there is ONE old-as-hell scumgame of his I want to look back at (where he ragequit eventually 'cause his team was shitty or something?) because what someone (marv?) said about him being more coherent as scum could be true but I truly don't remember. 2-year-old meta meh anyway but I have re-embraced the use of meta recently to decent effect so we'll see. Tentative townread for the moment. Rsoul extremely likely to be town from interactions. Scummiest people stand out to me as JAT because the last time I remember Palmar going like this on anyone, it was on me when I was scum when nobody else ever catches me. Moosy because pocketing efforts when I am the only one in this game he knows to be 'good.' I say 'good' because I have been SUPER on point in the last whole bunch of games I've played (as both alignments for once) and Moosy correctly realizes that I could be a threat based on that. Which brings me to On August 26 2015 23:14 marvellosity wrote: On August 26 2015 23:13 Palmar wrote: Wave is a shitty has-been player anyway can't be a has-been if you're a never-was ^ wow, what a bitch Fucking brutal guys. Is all of that really necessary? I actually have gained some confidence in my play for once and I refuse to let it be crushed by the likes of you. Unfortunately the fact that I'm not here means if either of the aforementioned are scum I won't have contributed at all to their lynches which is super bleh. ##vote: JAT This post makes Wave scum. Specifically, the text in bold. Wave comes back to the thread to see the popular scum-candidate JAT sitting on a wagon driven by Palmar. His read takes no consideration for JAT's actions this game. In fact, he says he respects Palmar's play enough on day 1 to sheep him without regard. Wave claims that he has gained some confidence in his play. If wave truly has gained confidence in his play (I.E. reads), then why is he letting Palmar, who may very well be mafia or just plain wrong about JAT, decide the lynch for him? Wave is blindly assuming that Palmar is town and correct without A) Assessing the lynch candidates motivations / actions and B) Looking at Palmar's push in and of itself. He doesn't even quote a post by Palmar and agree with the reasons. ##Vote: Wave Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push. You're sweet. I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep. I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read. JAT hits the nail on the head here. Wave's defense against this is basically "I'm better than this", which I find lazy. Regardless, Wave still fails to situate why he thinks Palmar's case is good. Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't really have much to say about that specifically. Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting. For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right. As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno. When Wave extrapolates upon how Palmar plays, he admits that Palmar's early reads are 'just 'cause' and may/may not be accurate. How can Wave seriously think JAT is his top scumread / top vote for the day if he: 1) Has not evaluated JAT's actions, or explained why Palmar's case is good 2) Knows that Palmar's early reads are often 'just cause' 3) Is not sure of Palmar's alignment? It makes no sense to me. Palmar may have caught Wave as scum day 1 in another game and he respects him, but this course of action is scummy regardless of how you package it. It's incredibly convenient if JAT flips town, and then Wave can take no responsibility for the lynch. All I want you to answer @WaveofShadow: Why is Palmar's case good. Not Rsoultin's, or anyone else's, but Palmar's case. What does Palmar say that is convincing and makes the case against JAT generate a "fairly decent read"? I really liked this post about Wave earlier. But I realize now that it's probably because CC is only rehashing things I said about Wave earlier without really adding anything to it. I was blinded by the fact that someone agreed with me. The fact that those are basically all my own points on wave also explains that I only remembered my own points against Wave later on and didn't mention this again. In general like I said earlier CC seems to be parroting me a lot. If you read his filter you will also notice that basically the whole thing is him talking to Wave. I first thought this would mean they aren't both mafia and this may be true. But ten I remembered a quiet game of mafia where talking to his scummate was literally all CC did day1 so they probably could still be scum together (which would also fit the tmi/CC too protown to be town theory). My conclusion is that CC is pretty scummy actually and will certainly not make the list. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 18:10 GMT
#1452
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 18:18 GMT
#1459
On August 28 2015 03:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Nobody is looking at Vivax right now. I think you are wrong about that. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 18:20 GMT
#1461
On August 28 2015 03:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 03:18 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 03:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Nobody is looking at Vivax right now. I think you are wrong about that. Why is Vivax town? I made a post about him a while ago. It did not say he is town. I called him likely mafia after that too. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 18:26 GMT
#1469
Disclaimer: I always have trouble reading VE. He is one of the people that look the same to me regardless of alignment in many games. HOWEVER I think he has been towny enough this game. The things that I did NOT like are the thing where he talked about marv/palmar which was kinda weird but I don't really know if that is even scummy and I don't get how he can townread me like this: On August 26 2015 23:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 23:19 rsoultin wrote: On August 26 2015 23:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoawhoa, I'm asleep for like 6 hours and already people are saying things like "I think JAT is mafia"? I hope that's a joke :/ i expect "you're so amazing" "what can i do to be like you?" "here let me give you a cookie" when/if jat flips scum this game ^^ is this just a general protest or an actual townread on the un-townreadable? The last thing I read from him last night was his protesting you townreading me and Wave for throwing scum on marv, which I found to be extraordinarily townie at the time. He might have done something since, I'm reading now, but that's where that comes from. I don't think the post in question was particularly towny at all. In general he seems to read me pretty well this game despite me having fooled him pretty hard as mafia in the past which makes me somewhat raise my eyebrows but on the other hand maybe he just has a good read :/ His general demeanour has been really towny though and there are a few posts like this one to be found in his filter that I think are really towny and good: On August 27 2015 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 00:01 Palmar wrote: On August 26 2015 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Meh I think JAT is town and Palmar can lick a [redacted] lamppost in wintertime. WHO IS MAFIA THEN EINSTEIN? I kinda like the Wave sentiment. FMP, the people hanging in the background not taking a side on the issue are the suspicious ones with regard to the whole JAT thing. So he makes the list. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 18:27 GMT
#1472
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 18:43 GMT
#1484
On August 28 2015 03:34 Palmar wrote: I'm going to give kelsier a day pass based on nothing but filter length. VE also gets a day pass for being wrong and bad which is his town meta. I actually forgot to mention how towny it is how VE opposed you so far. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 18:45 GMT
#1485
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 18:54 GMT
#1489
We should probably lynch this guy because this is unacceptable. On August 28 2015 01:11 Hopeless1der wrote: Oh god the spampocalypse. I was not prepared for this. I'm going to go full blazinghand and use his RNG methods while I read the thread and then yolo it. RNG being this (post's ID)Mod13 (0=decon, 1=wave, 2=vivax etc) He needs to die on policy AND because this is not his townplay which while lurky is always somewhat reasonable. He blatantly does not give a fuck about this game which indicates that he rolled mafia. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 18:56 GMT
#1491
Not enough data. Does not make the donotlynch list but would basically be a policy lynch. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:05 GMT
#1493
I basically have said everything there is to say about him. The palmar/marv still thing is still weird filler that is scummy. He still pushed a no poster for no reason. Even if hopeless should be lynched and flips scum I do not think that it would make Trfel town. Has problems detecting jokes/sarcasm all game. Nonsensical read on me that I pointed out. No list for him. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:08 GMT
#1494
Has just recently started playing the game and is in my experience a really bad lurker as town. I don't think I ever saw his scumgame. Not enough data/would be a policy lynch. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:10 GMT
#1495
Won't be lynched tier: Palmar Marv rsoultin VE Moosy Kelsier Policy lynch tier: deconduo BF Actual lynchpool: Vivax CC Trfel Hopeless In no particular order. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:11 GMT
#1496
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:12 GMT
#1497
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:18 GMT
#1499
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:21 GMT
#1500
On August 28 2015 04:17 boxerfred wrote: ##vote justanothertownie ^ You should probably justify this soon. At this point I have produced by far the most content in this game. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:25 GMT
#1503
On August 28 2015 04:23 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 04:21 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 04:17 boxerfred wrote: ##vote justanothertownie ^ You should probably justify this soon. At this point I have produced by far the most content in this game. Active doesn't mean town, so that's not really a defense. Still not a great move to vote without giving any reason. That is absolutely a defense. I just wasted hours and hours of my fucking birthday analysing this game which I would NEVER have done as mafia btw. How about you comment on the content of my posts instead of making smartass posts like this one. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:30 GMT
#1508
On August 28 2015 04:29 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: which I would NEVER have done as mafia Why not? Do you have any proof of that? Wtf is this question even? What kind of proof would you expect for that, hm? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:31 GMT
#1509
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:32 GMT
#1511
On August 28 2015 04:31 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 04:30 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 04:29 deconduo wrote: On August 28 2015 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: which I would NEVER have done as mafia Why not? Do you have any proof of that? Wtf is this question even? What kind of proof would you expect for that, hm? Link to a scum game where you didn't give a shit? Go do something useful. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:34 GMT
#1514
On August 28 2015 04:33 boxerfred wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 04:21 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 04:17 boxerfred wrote: ##vote justanothertownie ^ You should probably justify this soon. At this point I have produced by far the most content in this game. I received a PM that reminded me of voting, you're the wagon, have no time until tomorrow. I will not be the wagon eod I can guarantee you that. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:38 GMT
#1522
On August 28 2015 04:36 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 04:33 KelsierSC wrote: On August 28 2015 04:31 deconduo wrote: On August 28 2015 04:30 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 04:29 deconduo wrote: On August 28 2015 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: which I would NEVER have done as mafia Why not? Do you have any proof of that? Wtf is this question even? What kind of proof would you expect for that, hm? Link to a scum game where you didn't give a shit? here's how life works you either lurk and do things later on or you post a lot of content and get to ask people to do things I can ask him to back up a statement. He doesn't have to, but I can still ask. And given that he's leading the current wagon it probably would be a good idea to not be so aggressive to someone who isn't currently voting for him. Oh yeah? Are you trying to threaten me? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:52 GMT
#1535
On August 28 2015 04:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: When does day end again. In about 2 hours. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:55 GMT
#1540
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:57 GMT
#1544
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 19:58 GMT
#1548
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 20:00 GMT
#1552
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 20:01 GMT
#1553
On August 28 2015 05:00 marvellosity wrote: not really sure i do either tbh, wave. been silently reading filters. no idea what to make of deconduo's. Vivax's filter is really uninspired but i'm not convinced that makes him mafia. hopeless... just unbelievable, quite ballsy as mafia but maybe he would. would bf really be this blatant? about to sit down for dinner in a few mins. too many qs, not enough answers You are NOT SURE? Wow, you suck. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 20:11 GMT
#1565
On August 28 2015 05:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 28 2015 05:04 marvellosity wrote: weird as shit scummy weird as shit? or weird as shit vivax weird as shit I don't know. Like, if Vivax is scum then he purposefully creates this narrative where I'm scum who flipflops an imaginary read on CC? WHy else does he call me scum in this game again Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 04:37 Vivax wrote: I don't really feel this jat wagon, plus it's his birthday. His list of lynchables is pretty much exactly where I'm at (Trfel/WoS/Mr CC), rest feels like policy (I would add BF to that) but that's never a bad shot on D1. What's alarming is that the leaders of Jat's wagon aren't really here to reconsider with all this new information, I'm especially expecting Palmar to reconsider things, given marv's timing of the vote I'd expect him to be quite sure about his decision already, so I'm curious on that front too. I feel like Trfel has been really stiff in his play so far, contrary to the things he did as town like claiming scum at SoD he has been feeling very artificial this game. Palmar for some reason believes he's town, I want to see it. ##Vote Trfel I think this is the only post where he mentions he could lynch nme and it seems to be solely for that reason. marv you read vivax better than me. i dunno Marv doesn't read Vivax particularly well. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 20:18 GMT
#1570
On August 28 2015 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 05:11 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 05:09 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 28 2015 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 28 2015 05:04 marvellosity wrote: weird as shit scummy weird as shit? or weird as shit vivax weird as shit I don't know. Like, if Vivax is scum then he purposefully creates this narrative where I'm scum who flipflops an imaginary read on CC? WHy else does he call me scum in this game again On August 28 2015 04:37 Vivax wrote: I don't really feel this jat wagon, plus it's his birthday. His list of lynchables is pretty much exactly where I'm at (Trfel/WoS/Mr CC), rest feels like policy (I would add BF to that) but that's never a bad shot on D1. What's alarming is that the leaders of Jat's wagon aren't really here to reconsider with all this new information, I'm especially expecting Palmar to reconsider things, given marv's timing of the vote I'd expect him to be quite sure about his decision already, so I'm curious on that front too. I feel like Trfel has been really stiff in his play so far, contrary to the things he did as town like claiming scum at SoD he has been feeling very artificial this game. Palmar for some reason believes he's town, I want to see it. ##Vote Trfel I think this is the only post where he mentions he could lynch nme and it seems to be solely for that reason. marv you read vivax better than me. i dunno Marv doesn't read Vivax particularly well. Well what do you think? He is on my list. Before he started intentionally worsening his townplay I would have been confident that he is scum here. This way I don't know either. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 20:30 GMT
#1580
On August 28 2015 05:29 rsoultin wrote: lol that's a pretty horrid votecount @.@ The most horrid thing about it is you vote. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 20:37 GMT
#1601
On August 28 2015 05:33 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 05:30 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 05:29 rsoultin wrote: lol that's a pretty horrid votecount @.@ The most horrid thing about it is you vote. be still i haven't read and i imagine you finally did shit or people wouldn't be flailing like madmen on that note, i'm not feeling a vivax lynch today ^^ hi vivax You do not seem very suprised for being this sure about me being mafia earlier. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 20:39 GMT
#1604
On August 28 2015 05:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote: On August 28 2015 05:33 Vivax wrote: On August 28 2015 05:32 deconduo wrote: On August 28 2015 05:29 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 28 2015 05:26 marvellosity wrote: i'm gonna end up spite lynching one of hopeless and bf and it will be terrible Well, or one of them is scum. (or both lol) Is there any reason to lynch BF over hopeless? Hopeless has been worse on every count as far as I can tell. Do explain in detail, we need to consolidate. Can I warm you up for a Trfel lynch? BF and hopeless feel more craphshooty than him. not lynching truffle second target? If you're wrong on Trfel I reserve the right to not listen to your weird 90% tone reads (not that I'm listening to them now) If Trfel is mafia I expect a formal apology from rsoultin AND Palmar. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 20:40 GMT
#1610
On August 28 2015 05:39 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 05:37 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 05:33 rsoultin wrote: On August 28 2015 05:30 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 05:29 rsoultin wrote: lol that's a pretty horrid votecount @.@ The most horrid thing about it is you vote. be still i haven't read and i imagine you finally did shit or people wouldn't be flailing like madmen on that note, i'm not feeling a vivax lynch today ^^ hi vivax You do not seem very suprised for being this sure about me being mafia earlier. call me scum or back off when i see a votecount like that, being not a complete moron, i assume something changed now would you like to tell me what has everyone running around like headless chickens or would you like to keep sniping? I am fine with sniping tbh. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 20:50 GMT
#1622
On August 28 2015 05:47 rsoultin wrote: voting bf found the cc read jat talk to me about it kk cause i was just scanning and i do better realtime what are all these inconsistencies and how do they make him mafia specifically? Read the fucking post. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:02 GMT
#1640
On August 28 2015 06:01 marvellosity wrote: i agree rsoultin, i thought it was a weird thing to interject at the time Have you found any wisdom/wagon of choice already or what? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:10 GMT
#1655
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:14 GMT
#1664
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:20 GMT
#1674
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:20 GMT
#1676
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:21 GMT
#1678
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:31 GMT
#1694
On August 28 2015 06:29 rsoultin wrote: i'm lynching bf whoever we're lynching we need to agree Yes, it is kinda annoying how few people seem to be present right now. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:33 GMT
#1700
On August 28 2015 06:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 06:32 Vivax wrote: On August 28 2015 06:30 MoosyDoosy wrote: mmm...rsoul could i convince u to do a switch onto trfel? Dude why did you vote CC? It didn't seem like the shitty series of votes that came up when you got confronted with that. It's like you did that only to make seem your vote on CC not serious. My vote on CC was very serious. You are correct in that my shitty series of votes was meant to cover it up. You aren't being helpful or funny. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:37 GMT
#1708
On August 28 2015 06:34 rsoultin wrote: your three jat I made a list and it is still absolutely accurate. Maybe I do not want to lynch WoS as much anymore but I can lynch anyone between Trfel/deconduo/bf/Vivax/Hopeless and CC. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:38 GMT
#1712
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:38 GMT
#1713
On August 28 2015 06:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Wait has Hopeless done something outlandishly town since he did that RNG bullshit? No. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:41 GMT
#1723
On August 28 2015 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote: WHy are marv and palmar not here ^^^^ | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:45 GMT
#1731
On August 28 2015 06:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Palmar probably wouldnt change his vote anyway but I still want to know what his thoughts would be on the current wagons Îf Palmar wouldn't change his vote he is mafia. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:47 GMT
#1748
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:51 GMT
#1761
On August 28 2015 06:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: Does a tie result in a no lynch? Because we want to avoid that. No, it doesn't. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:52 GMT
#1764
On August 28 2015 06:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: This sucks ass two people come back last hour of the game, do scummy things and we are forced to lynch them. If either of them are town: I don't understand why one would play like this. Heck, even as mafia. I don't either but it still happens every game. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:54 GMT
#1771
On August 28 2015 06:53 Trfel wrote: Lynch Hopeless1der. He is much more likely to be scum than boxerfred. Boxerfred's filter makes sense from the busy/frustrated town perspective, even if it's annoying. Hopeless1der isn't completely clueless. He was around a lot more in the mafia QT last game than he was posting in the thread. He signed up for a large game, he confirmed for the game in reasonable time. He said he would play. He didn't. His few posts this game have been unconvincing and basically what I would expect from mafia. I am confident that Hopeless1der is mafia, I am not confident in boxerfred. Is this an issue of associations with my alignment, as I pushed Hopeless1der first? I find this post somewhat compelling I have to say. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:57 GMT
#1785
On August 28 2015 06:56 Palmar wrote: they're probably both town tbh Wow, you are so helpful. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 21:59 GMT
#1796
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 22:11 GMT
#1817
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 22:13 GMT
#1825
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 22:13 GMT
#1827
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 22:14 GMT
#1832
On August 28 2015 07:13 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Then why did you say that you are boned, if you intend to show that you are town?On August 28 2015 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: On August 28 2015 07:11 Trfel wrote: On August 28 2015 07:11 Hopeless1der wrote: And you're not going to do anything to change their minds?On August 28 2015 07:09 Trfel wrote: On August 28 2015 07:09 Hopeless1der wrote: Why do you say this?welp im boned =\ Because people will almost certainly still want to lynch me. I intend to. What's the point of this question? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 22:15 GMT
#1834
On August 28 2015 07:13 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 07:13 Trfel wrote: Okay, never mind, he played well then XD Anyway, got stuff to do. All of my wat to you sir. Indeed. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 22:17 GMT
#1840
On August 28 2015 07:15 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 07:11 marvellosity wrote: On August 28 2015 07:10 Palmar wrote: yeah I'm super disappoint liar ? Of course I am, I had no intention of lynching bf ever. If you read my filter I think that's quite obvious. I think it was a bad lynch. I don't really have a reason to believe hopeless is mafia, but bf was clearly enough not mafia for me to decide not to sheep you. Wow, you are such a hero. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 22:28 GMT
#1849
On August 28 2015 07:26 Vivax wrote: Not particularly impressed by Palmar here, given he still thought jat was mafia and usually becomes lil adolf whenever he doesn't get his lynch. The game where he was all over GB comes to mind. This is true. But to be fair if Palmar is town then I think he only has me in his list because he is too proud/stubborn to remove me from it after calling me 100 % mafia. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 22:35 GMT
#1854
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 27 2015 22:41 GMT
#1856
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 09:20 GMT
#1862
On August 28 2015 17:09 Trfel wrote: I'm really wondering if rsoultin is mafia here after all? I don't have any reasons, only some really stupid tells. I'll take a close look at her filter tomorrow. I'm probably being really stupid, but I can't shake this feeling. Then tell us the really stupid tells. This will be my policy concerncing stupid unexplained tonereads from now on. Explain them or I will ignore them. If you can't put it into words give examples from other games with towny or scummy tone. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 09:22 GMT
#1863
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 09:34 GMT
#1866
On August 28 2015 18:32 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 07:33 Palmar wrote: Also I'm having one of the strongest urges in a while to call marv mafia 14 page filter so I'm immune, but gimme your best go You can't hide behind filter page alone anymore. Not since imperial. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 09:35 GMT
#1868
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 09:37 GMT
#1870
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 09:40 GMT
#1874
On August 28 2015 18:38 marvellosity wrote: why would you want to "take me on"? weird thing to say Well, if you are mafia I will just lynch you with Palmar. What's weird about that? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 09:45 GMT
#1876
On August 28 2015 18:43 marvellosity wrote: you know i'm not? stop being strange I think you are not. Doesn't mean I wouldn't like Palmar pushing you and you doing work to be sure. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 09:48 GMT
#1878
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 09:50 GMT
#1881
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 09:51 GMT
#1882
1) misreading me and letting idiots without any case push me 2) being irrelevant at lynch when you said you would be there | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 09:57 GMT
#1886
On August 28 2015 18:55 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 18:22 justanothertownie wrote: Btw given how EVERYONE acknowledged how towny I am by now without even commenting on all the stuff I brought up (NOBODY did really) I am basically spewed town now. No you're still mafia. And you are still a moron. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 09:58 GMT
#1888
On August 28 2015 18:53 marvellosity wrote: you know very well i have lied 0 times ever as mafia about things i have to do, so if i said i had way more cleaning to do than i thought, than i had way more cleaning to do than i thought Yes, I know that and I did not accuse you of lying about that but that doesn't change anything. W/e this is not productive. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 10:09 GMT
#1890
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 10:30 GMT
#1893
On August 28 2015 19:28 marvellosity wrote: go on then, jat, as you're "the most productive" person in the game, where is that leaving your primary focus right now? like you can snark at me, but you've not done anything with the lynch result + since either My stance hasn't really changed since before the lynch. Hopeless has to be really towny tonight or should get vigshot and besides that I still have the same suspects for the same reasons. As long as we don't know hopeless' alignment I don't think we can gather much from the lynch. Do you disagree? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 10:42 GMT
#1895
On August 28 2015 19:39 marvellosity wrote: what do you make of hopeless precisely? i kinda think he might (might) be town. i thought Vivax's comparison to TSM was really inappropriate (beyond general inactivity which is always hopeless' thing). There he was snarkily aggressive. Here he wasn't posting at all -> into a really obviously attention-bringing RNG thing -> subsequent posts didn't have that tone. On the other hand (and I only just thought about this), my memory of Hopeless as town is quite a bit of unwarranted aggression/confidence with how he pursues people/his reads. Like I have a very distinct memory of Hogwarts where I was smurfing where he was condescending to me like I was a child while questioning me on his read on him, it amused me greatly at the time. And there's none of that sort of aggressive pursuing here. so what do? tldr: comparison to TSM bad. RNG thing very attention-bringing. Tone seems not like mafia games, but at the same time not like town games. Yes, he might be town and I think the wagons indicate this too to some extent. The problem is with what has been posted by him so far it is impossible to really tell. If I am not mistaking him with someone else I had a pretty good read on him the last time we played/I saw him play but he needs to post. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 10:45 GMT
#1897
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 10:47 GMT
#1898
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 10:48 GMT
#1899
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 11:06 GMT
#1901
On August 28 2015 18:55 Palmar wrote: Everyone is mafia. This game is in the gutters. Can you explain me the point of this post? Or why Palmar would ever post this right now? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 11:16 GMT
#1907
On August 28 2015 20:08 marvellosity wrote: palmar does that kinda thing all the time ya know, when he doesn't like how something has gone and then he decides to mafia-side, for example Palmar decided to mafia side from the very beginning. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 11:17 GMT
#1908
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 11:21 GMT
#1910
On August 28 2015 20:19 rsoultin wrote: i agree so like... marv/palmar/viva/truffle i don't even want to think about as scum i had a random ass...everyone is going nuts...thought when i returned to the thread and the jat wagon was dissolving, but i haven't had the chance/gumption to pursue it yet...like maybe one of the flailings got too close to scum and that's why there were like 6 wagons @.@ i dunnae how good a thought that is especially without looking at the context but it did cross my mind It is basically guaranteed that at least one of those 6 wagons was on mafia. Brilliant observation. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 11:22 GMT
#1912
On August 28 2015 20:21 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 20:17 justanothertownie wrote: Possibly because he is mafia. Possibly because he is a giant moron. Time will tell. meh, jat -_- if you're town this game (and i suspect you are, honestly) i'm not happy with you, just fyi I can guarantee you that I am way more unhappy with you and unlike you I actually have reasons for it. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 12:13 GMT
#1935
On August 28 2015 20:25 rsoultin wrote: ...the point is, oh brilliant one who for some reason can't manage to be the least bit constructive at all this game and disintegrates at the first sign of a scumread, we should see things that might give away which of the 6 wagons that was in the read progressions leading up to the votes i mentioned it cause i wasn't sure if the thought was a valid one before i start looking into things with the thought in mind, not to be ridiculed based off of simple statistics in a 14-player game can you possibly shelve the attitude for a little bit? is that within your capabilities? cause i'd appreciate it As long as you keep saying things like you of all people have reason to be unhappy with me this game or that I am not constructive when I have been like 10 times as constructive as you I don't really see why you would expect me to change my attitude. But maybe I will because I am a nice guy. On August 28 2015 20:31 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 20:27 rsoultin wrote: On August 28 2015 20:24 marvellosity wrote: no idea how you are so strongly convinced vivax is town i think that's pretty weird eh i dunnae i still have a reread and i expect things to change; they always do he felt townie to me though that's a rather different statement to "i don't even want to consider him", he's really not done anywhere near enough to warrant that really +1 On August 28 2015 20:43 marvellosity wrote: decon/vivax/CC (players you might expect wagons on?) got nothing That list very likely contains mafia. On August 28 2015 20:47 marvellosity wrote: I'm just gonna ignore CC and if he flips mafia castigate you all for ignoring me all of d1 about it I did not ignore it and probably posted more reasons to scumread him than you did (this is not an attack). On August 28 2015 20:55 rsoultin wrote: lol >< yeah it's a fucking weird ass votecount that close to EoD, at least in my limited experience I think it is pretty easily explained by all the townleaders being afk on a wagon that was clearly not going to succeed. Nobody knew what direction we were heading at all and there were too many suspects. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 12:15 GMT
#1937
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 12:17 GMT
#1939
On August 28 2015 21:16 marvellosity wrote: what are the 6? i don't really count 1 or 2 votes on someone who ended up going nowhere and never looked like they were as "wagons" Then we had like no wagon at all until boxerfred. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 12:20 GMT
#1941
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 12:20 GMT
#1942
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 12:35 GMT
#1944
On August 28 2015 21:23 marvellosity wrote: my point was, you were a realistic lynch candidate until you weren't anymore. which is a statement of the obvious, but it's why you were there. obviously there is a chronological timeline to it all Yes, but MY point is that once everything got hectic I wasn't a realistic lynch candidate anymore and hadn't been for quite a while. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 12:38 GMT
#1948
On August 28 2015 20:42 marvellosity wrote: although a quick flick through the voting thread shows there weren't that many realistic wagons Jat-Trfel Trfel kinda disappears then it's jat-boxer-hopeless and jat disappears ^^^^ It never was. I am glad that we settled this now that you know that I am right and you are wrong. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 12:38 GMT
#1950
On August 28 2015 21:37 rsoultin wrote: eh yeah his disappearing bugged me in the itchy fashion but i still think he's kinda town so blah it bugs me that i look at the player list and given my reads/impressions it makes no fucking sense Excuse me? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 12:47 GMT
#1955
On August 28 2015 21:45 rsoultin wrote: jat Are you talking about me or my wagon? Because how you worded that seems like you are talking about me. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 12:47 GMT
#1956
On August 28 2015 21:46 marvellosity wrote: he disappeared? I must be completely oblivious xD No, I didn't which is why her statement is really weird. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 12:49 GMT
#1959
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 12:49 GMT
#1960
On August 28 2015 21:49 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 21:47 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 21:45 rsoultin wrote: jat Are you talking about me or my wagon? Because how you worded that seems like you are talking about me. meh i could be misremembering i think you came back at the very end anyway...or was it just you were sitting there and kept asking where marv was? something bugged me. regardless it's kinda moot cause i don't think it makes you scum So you were just agreeing with marv without knowing what you are talking about. Lovely. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 12:54 GMT
#1962
On August 28 2015 21:52 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 21:49 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 21:49 rsoultin wrote: On August 28 2015 21:47 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 21:45 rsoultin wrote: jat Are you talking about me or my wagon? Because how you worded that seems like you are talking about me. meh i could be misremembering i think you came back at the very end anyway...or was it just you were sitting there and kept asking where marv was? something bugged me. regardless it's kinda moot cause i don't think it makes you scum So you were just agreeing with marv without knowing what you are talking about. Lovely. i know something bugged me and i don't remember what but i don't think it makes you scum. that's the takeaway No, that's the obvious. The takeaway is that you are talking out of your ass which is a bad sign regarding your alignment. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 12:56 GMT
#1964
On August 28 2015 21:55 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 21:54 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 21:52 rsoultin wrote: On August 28 2015 21:49 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 21:49 rsoultin wrote: On August 28 2015 21:47 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 21:45 rsoultin wrote: jat Are you talking about me or my wagon? Because how you worded that seems like you are talking about me. meh i could be misremembering i think you came back at the very end anyway...or was it just you were sitting there and kept asking where marv was? something bugged me. regardless it's kinda moot cause i don't think it makes you scum So you were just agreeing with marv without knowing what you are talking about. Lovely. i know something bugged me and i don't remember what but i don't think it makes you scum. that's the takeaway No, that's the obvious. The takeaway is that you are talking out of your ass which is a bad sign regarding your alignment. either shit or get off the pot I don't have to call you 100 % scum once I find something that is scummy about you. I am not like certain other people. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 12:57 GMT
#1966
On August 28 2015 21:56 marvellosity wrote: i dont' think this game looks anything like rsoultin's mafiagames at all, funny jat thing last page not withstanding Can you describe me what's the difference between her mafia and towngame then? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 13:00 GMT
#1969
On August 28 2015 21:58 rsoultin wrote: you are making this game practically impossible for me to care about i am not even kidding I can point out scummy things you do and I will. That does not prevent me from working with you. And the quoted is exactly what you did to me this game so you don't get to complain. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 13:06 GMT
#1972
On August 28 2015 22:03 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 22:00 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 21:58 rsoultin wrote: you are making this game practically impossible for me to care about i am not even kidding I can point out scummy things you do and I will. That does not prevent me from working with you. And the quoted is exactly what you did to me this game so you don't get to complain. it apparently does prevent you from working with me because at least from my perspective, all you've been doing is being obstructionist and shitting on every post i make when you're not actively obstructing it. if you think i'm scum, fine. but if you don't please get over yourself for christ's sake -_- No, I am not doing that. Even though it would only be returning the favor for your earlier bullshit. I don't really think you are scum but I surely will not rule it out or let weird things you say slide by only because of that. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 13:07 GMT
#1973
On August 28 2015 22:05 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 21:57 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 21:56 marvellosity wrote: i dont' think this game looks anything like rsoultin's mafiagames at all, funny jat thing last page not withstanding Can you describe me what's the difference between her mafia and towngame then? essentially i can see a direction and push to all her posts (whether you agree with what she is writing or not) whereas when she is mafia there is a lot of arguing but very little direction i think her talking-about-alignments : words ratio is pretty good this game she's actually kinda similar to you in that regard. like whether you agree with what she wrote when she came in this morning, it still felt like her primary focus was to think about / try to understand facets of the game, right? Fair enough. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 13:09 GMT
#1975
On August 28 2015 22:08 marvellosity wrote: i mean i'm open to the possibility that i am wrong (although i don't think so), so if you disagree with any of my characterisations of her play there, do say so No, I don't. Sounds reasonable. And I have my own reasons on top of them. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 13:13 GMT
#1977
On August 28 2015 22:10 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 22:06 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 22:03 rsoultin wrote: On August 28 2015 22:00 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 21:58 rsoultin wrote: you are making this game practically impossible for me to care about i am not even kidding I can point out scummy things you do and I will. That does not prevent me from working with you. And the quoted is exactly what you did to me this game so you don't get to complain. it apparently does prevent you from working with me because at least from my perspective, all you've been doing is being obstructionist and shitting on every post i make when you're not actively obstructing it. if you think i'm scum, fine. but if you don't please get over yourself for christ's sake -_- No, I am not doing that. Even though it would only be returning the favor for your earlier bullshit. I don't really think you are scum but I surely will not rule it out or let weird things you say slide by only because of that. you are being put on ignore because i find you completely unworkable ^^ this is your notice. i will not respond to your posts for the rest of the game for my own sanity, except to answer questions i'm sorry that you're too immature to be able to handle a scumread and that you think this behavior you're displaying is appropriate. but you should at some point consider that this is not the first time people have had this problem with your play in general i'm out for now Girl, I am the one saying that I can work with you. If you put me on ignore you are the one being childish. Just sayin. As far as I am concerned we can just stop arguing. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 13:16 GMT
#1980
On August 28 2015 22:14 marvellosity wrote: yes, jat, because you are mr. blameless in this little tete a tete, obviously at any rate, yes, you two arguing is very silly unless you want to call each other mafia which you don't seem to at the moment. I never said I was blameless. I am just saying that I don't need to keep doing this. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 13:24 GMT
#1982
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 13:33 GMT
#1986
On August 28 2015 22:24 Palmar wrote: So if marv, jat, rsoultin and I are all town. Why can't we find mafia? What makes you even say that? Why are you constantly trying to paint our situation in the worst possibly way? We mislynched on day1 - big deal. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 13:42 GMT
#1988
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 13:42 GMT
#1989
On August 28 2015 22:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: I find it funny that JAT is painting himself as the one who was trying to be productive the whole time. On the other hand, rsoul should just suck it up and work with JAT. Like clearly something about the way you post makes him very angry but that's only his fault for reading ur posts that way. I find it funny that you feel the need to try and fuel this argument any more. Just ignore it and move on. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 13:46 GMT
#1991
On August 28 2015 22:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 22:42 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 22:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: I find it funny that JAT is painting himself as the one who was trying to be productive the whole time. On the other hand, rsoul should just suck it up and work with JAT. Like clearly something about the way you post makes him very angry but that's only his fault for reading ur posts that way. I find it funny that you feel the need to try and fuel this argument any more. Just ignore it and move on. I find it funny how you're trying to act like the mature one here now. So what? Is this in any way relevant to anyones alignment? No? then shut up and talk about something else. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 13:51 GMT
#1994
On August 28 2015 22:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 22:46 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 22:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 28 2015 22:42 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 22:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: I find it funny that JAT is painting himself as the one who was trying to be productive the whole time. On the other hand, rsoul should just suck it up and work with JAT. Like clearly something about the way you post makes him very angry but that's only his fault for reading ur posts that way. I find it funny that you feel the need to try and fuel this argument any more. Just ignore it and move on. I find it funny how you're trying to act like the mature one here now. So what? Is this in any way relevant to anyones alignment? No? then shut up and talk about something else. I could say the same about you trying to shit on rsoul's reads. -shrugs- 1) I didn't do that. 2) Even if I did that's completely irrelevant unless you want to call me mafia for it. 3) If you feel the need to argue about you aren't better than me. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 13:52 GMT
#1995
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 14:13 GMT
#2007
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 14:31 GMT
#2015
On August 28 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Town: VE, marv, JAT, rsoultin, Vivax Town lean: KelsierSC, MrCC Mafia lean: Moosy, Hopeless Mafia: Trfel, Palmar Everyone else is very null. Even Wave, which is really disconcerting. I feel like I'm probably wrong somewhere in my mafia reads, and if I'm wrong on more than one I'd probably put Wave as a mafia lean at this point for being so forgettable. You actually think Trfel could be scum with Palmar? It seems very unlikely to me that Palmar would associate this heavily with a mafia partner. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 14:32 GMT
#2018
On August 28 2015 23:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 23:31 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Town: VE, marv, JAT, rsoultin, Vivax Town lean: KelsierSC, MrCC Mafia lean: Moosy, Hopeless Mafia: Trfel, Palmar Everyone else is very null. Even Wave, which is really disconcerting. I feel like I'm probably wrong somewhere in my mafia reads, and if I'm wrong on more than one I'd probably put Wave as a mafia lean at this point for being so forgettable. You actually think Trfel could be scum with Palmar? It seems very unlikely to me that Palmar would associate this heavily with a mafia partner. Why? He's universally townread, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. I'm literally the only person saying Palmar could be mafia besides you and YOU are his main target. I just don't think mafia Palmar bases his whole attack on town JAT on town JATs correct scumread on Trfel. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 14:39 GMT
#2024
On August 28 2015 23:37 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 23:31 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Town: VE, marv, JAT, rsoultin, Vivax Town lean: KelsierSC, MrCC Mafia lean: Moosy, Hopeless Mafia: Trfel, Palmar Everyone else is very null. Even Wave, which is really disconcerting. I feel like I'm probably wrong somewhere in my mafia reads, and if I'm wrong on more than one I'd probably put Wave as a mafia lean at this point for being so forgettable. You actually think Trfel could be scum with Palmar? It seems very unlikely to me that Palmar would associate this heavily with a mafia partner. lol, if i could think of anyone who has zero problems with massively tying himself to people (whether his team-mates or a townie) as mafia, Palmar would be one Not like this I don't think. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 14:41 GMT
#2025
On August 28 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I don't know what you want me to say Marv. Too many townreads, wrong about the only mafia read he has, it's a bad fucking post. meh, it's just not how i read it so he's wrong, so what? and he knows he has too many townreads. i think the explanations for why he came to some of them read ok. Do you have specific reads in there (other than the one on you) where you disagree with how he arrived at a certain conclusion? If I may answer this too - I don't necessarily disagree with anything but all his reads are extremely superficial and easy so there isn't much to disagree with. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 14:44 GMT
#2029
On August 28 2015 23:42 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 23:37 marvellosity wrote: On August 28 2015 23:31 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Town: VE, marv, JAT, rsoultin, Vivax Town lean: KelsierSC, MrCC Mafia lean: Moosy, Hopeless Mafia: Trfel, Palmar Everyone else is very null. Even Wave, which is really disconcerting. I feel like I'm probably wrong somewhere in my mafia reads, and if I'm wrong on more than one I'd probably put Wave as a mafia lean at this point for being so forgettable. You actually think Trfel could be scum with Palmar? It seems very unlikely to me that Palmar would associate this heavily with a mafia partner. lol, if i could think of anyone who has zero problems with massively tying himself to people (whether his team-mates or a townie) as mafia, Palmar would be one Not like this I don't think. i do i know precisely why you think what you think, i just don't agree there was a game not so long ago where i was mafia with Palmar and i got quite annoyed he boxed himself into a corner because of how he tied himself to certain people, it's very anti-intuitive. he'll say himself that he'll hard townread his scumbuddies for no reason and then use these hard townreads to attack other people, just ask him Are you talking about an offside game? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 14:46 GMT
#2030
On August 28 2015 23:43 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 23:41 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 28 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote: On August 28 2015 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I don't know what you want me to say Marv. Too many townreads, wrong about the only mafia read he has, it's a bad fucking post. meh, it's just not how i read it so he's wrong, so what? and he knows he has too many townreads. i think the explanations for why he came to some of them read ok. Do you have specific reads in there (other than the one on you) where you disagree with how he arrived at a certain conclusion? Over half the reads in there don't have any thought-process leading to them. If you have specific ones that you think are good that would be the place to start, but like, Kels: no reason given - Palmar/marv: no reason given - rsoultin: no reason given - VE: no reason given my question was more to do with the reasoning he gave on the ones that he did give i guess i'll retract a few townie points anyway as 2 people are saying they don't see it my way To clarify: I don't think that post is that scummy. Only that it isn't exactly a towny revelation. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 14:47 GMT
#2032
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 14:51 GMT
#2036
On August 28 2015 23:50 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 23:49 VisceraEyes wrote: The point is you should try and read him off something else, and off everything else Palmar looks like scum. are you seriously telling me you haven't seen towngames like this off him? can you show one of his mafiagames that looks like this one? Assassination to a degree. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 14:56 GMT
#2042
On August 28 2015 23:55 marvellosity wrote: tell me exactly what this "everything" is that makes him look like mafia. and if he's done the same a hundred times as town in games YOU HAVE PLAYED WITH HIM i will be quite unimpressed I will let you continue this questioning first but you should really tell us afterwards why you are so sure that palmar is town. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 14:58 GMT
#2045
On August 28 2015 23:57 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 23:56 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 23:55 marvellosity wrote: tell me exactly what this "everything" is that makes him look like mafia. and if he's done the same a hundred times as town in games YOU HAVE PLAYED WITH HIM i will be quite unimpressed I will let you continue this questioning first but you should really tell us afterwards why you are so sure that palmar is town. my read on Palmar is irrelevant to this question Yes, so? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 15:00 GMT
#2048
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 15:15 GMT
#2063
On August 29 2015 00:14 marvellosity wrote: wow i'm actually gonna open his filter to see if i can substantiate my feelings. marv2pro Very impressive. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 15:28 GMT
#2068
On August 29 2015 00:24 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 19:07 Palmar wrote: The JAT point is the most important one. JAT's opening is very different from everyone else. Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 21:59 Palmar wrote: It was weaker than I remembered (but tbh, so is my marv townread. I just don't care all that much about calling a mafia or two town). The idea is I'm expecting him to be a newer player (I don't remember playing with him) so I'm applying the generic "he is going to be awkward as mafia". Both the posts he made are completely non-awkward and the tone is extremely relaxed/casual. On August 26 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 26 2015 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote: How many emotes is that? uscum? Don't forget the punctuation rule where perfect punctuation = 100% scum. On August 26 2015 11:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: whew, i thought DMLE Investigator was a role and started shitting my pants until I re-looked over the OP and saw it was VT in this game. He claimed VT Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 23:08 Palmar wrote: On August 26 2015 23:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: Like expecting me who's never played with JAT to just trust you all and go lynch him is you guys thinking wrong. If you guys are trying to make me vote for him, then you're going to have to come up with an actual case and points rather than just saying "trust me he is mafia because of what i remember, yeah". Which is why I'm saying rsoultin saying that JAT is mafia read because he's clinging to one thing is a good point because it's not just based off of meta. BRO JAT is mafia because he's trying to build a case out of something that is irrelevant. JAT is mafia because his opening was awkward and sad JAT is mafia because he tried to dismiss me instead of argue me. (these are very much the sort of reasons Palmar uses more as town) Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 02:14 Palmar wrote: moosy seems to get people mixed up easily. I think that is irrelevant and at best slightly townie (doesn't worry too much about mistakes). so these are all posts i think are quite a lot more likely to come from a town Palmar than a mafia Palmar. I think I debunked your 1&4 ok, which leaves 2&3 as the reasonable points. tbh I do agree with 2, unless Palmar has some new reasons of his own to be less suspicious of jat. re:3, i prodded palmar more than once on his townread on Trfel, and it came down to him deconstructing one of your only posts. i think it's certainly a read town-palmar can make, and certainly one that he'd overplay with bias in response to his jat scumread. tldr: there are several posts that make me think Palmar is town, his tunnel/approach to reads seems largely in line with his towngame, you may have something with the lynch-jat thing and it would be nice if he could say more smart stuff so i don't have to be worried I might sheep your read and blame you if you are wrong but I don't think any of those posts is particularly towny. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 15:31 GMT
#2071
On August 29 2015 00:29 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 00:28 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 00:24 marvellosity wrote: On August 26 2015 19:07 Palmar wrote: The JAT point is the most important one. JAT's opening is very different from everyone else. On August 26 2015 21:59 Palmar wrote: It was weaker than I remembered (but tbh, so is my marv townread. I just don't care all that much about calling a mafia or two town). The idea is I'm expecting him to be a newer player (I don't remember playing with him) so I'm applying the generic "he is going to be awkward as mafia". Both the posts he made are completely non-awkward and the tone is extremely relaxed/casual. On August 26 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 26 2015 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote: How many emotes is that? uscum? Don't forget the punctuation rule where perfect punctuation = 100% scum. On August 26 2015 11:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: whew, i thought DMLE Investigator was a role and started shitting my pants until I re-looked over the OP and saw it was VT in this game. He claimed VT On August 26 2015 23:08 Palmar wrote: On August 26 2015 23:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: Like expecting me who's never played with JAT to just trust you all and go lynch him is you guys thinking wrong. If you guys are trying to make me vote for him, then you're going to have to come up with an actual case and points rather than just saying "trust me he is mafia because of what i remember, yeah". Which is why I'm saying rsoultin saying that JAT is mafia read because he's clinging to one thing is a good point because it's not just based off of meta. BRO JAT is mafia because he's trying to build a case out of something that is irrelevant. JAT is mafia because his opening was awkward and sad JAT is mafia because he tried to dismiss me instead of argue me. (these are very much the sort of reasons Palmar uses more as town) On August 27 2015 02:14 Palmar wrote: moosy seems to get people mixed up easily. I think that is irrelevant and at best slightly townie (doesn't worry too much about mistakes). so these are all posts i think are quite a lot more likely to come from a town Palmar than a mafia Palmar. I think I debunked your 1&4 ok, which leaves 2&3 as the reasonable points. tbh I do agree with 2, unless Palmar has some new reasons of his own to be less suspicious of jat. re:3, i prodded palmar more than once on his townread on Trfel, and it came down to him deconstructing one of your only posts. i think it's certainly a read town-palmar can make, and certainly one that he'd overplay with bias in response to his jat scumread. tldr: there are several posts that make me think Palmar is town, his tunnel/approach to reads seems largely in line with his towngame, you may have something with the lynch-jat thing and it would be nice if he could say more smart stuff so i don't have to be worried I might sheep your read and blame you if you are wrong but I don't think any of those posts is particularly towny. you also don't have the excellent record for reading Palmar that i do, so if i think the posts are towny that means a hell of a lot more than what you think. just sayin Which would explain why I said I might shep you? What's your point? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 15:34 GMT
#2078
On August 29 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 00:31 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 00:29 marvellosity wrote: On August 29 2015 00:28 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 00:24 marvellosity wrote: On August 26 2015 19:07 Palmar wrote: The JAT point is the most important one. JAT's opening is very different from everyone else. On August 26 2015 21:59 Palmar wrote: It was weaker than I remembered (but tbh, so is my marv townread. I just don't care all that much about calling a mafia or two town). The idea is I'm expecting him to be a newer player (I don't remember playing with him) so I'm applying the generic "he is going to be awkward as mafia". Both the posts he made are completely non-awkward and the tone is extremely relaxed/casual. On August 26 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 26 2015 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote: How many emotes is that? uscum? Don't forget the punctuation rule where perfect punctuation = 100% scum. On August 26 2015 11:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: whew, i thought DMLE Investigator was a role and started shitting my pants until I re-looked over the OP and saw it was VT in this game. He claimed VT On August 26 2015 23:08 Palmar wrote: On August 26 2015 23:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: Like expecting me who's never played with JAT to just trust you all and go lynch him is you guys thinking wrong. If you guys are trying to make me vote for him, then you're going to have to come up with an actual case and points rather than just saying "trust me he is mafia because of what i remember, yeah". Which is why I'm saying rsoultin saying that JAT is mafia read because he's clinging to one thing is a good point because it's not just based off of meta. BRO JAT is mafia because he's trying to build a case out of something that is irrelevant. JAT is mafia because his opening was awkward and sad JAT is mafia because he tried to dismiss me instead of argue me. (these are very much the sort of reasons Palmar uses more as town) On August 27 2015 02:14 Palmar wrote: moosy seems to get people mixed up easily. I think that is irrelevant and at best slightly townie (doesn't worry too much about mistakes). so these are all posts i think are quite a lot more likely to come from a town Palmar than a mafia Palmar. I think I debunked your 1&4 ok, which leaves 2&3 as the reasonable points. tbh I do agree with 2, unless Palmar has some new reasons of his own to be less suspicious of jat. re:3, i prodded palmar more than once on his townread on Trfel, and it came down to him deconstructing one of your only posts. i think it's certainly a read town-palmar can make, and certainly one that he'd overplay with bias in response to his jat scumread. tldr: there are several posts that make me think Palmar is town, his tunnel/approach to reads seems largely in line with his towngame, you may have something with the lynch-jat thing and it would be nice if he could say more smart stuff so i don't have to be worried I might sheep your read and blame you if you are wrong but I don't think any of those posts is particularly towny. you also don't have the excellent record for reading Palmar that i do, so if i think the posts are towny that means a hell of a lot more than what you think. just sayin Which would explain why I said I might shep you? What's your point? my "point" is, i don't know why you'd bother saying those posts don't look townie to you. who gives a fuck, you asked about how and why i was reading him and you've never really grasped how i do so, so what you think about them is largely irrelevant so why mention it Ok, I will stop giving my opinion on things then. But don't lynch me for not contributing. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 16:05 GMT
#2114
On August 29 2015 01:03 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 00:59 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 00:56 Palmar wrote: On August 29 2015 00:56 WaveofShadow wrote: VE time to detunnel. Also palmar I assert that Trfel is only allowed to be 95% town if I am. I disallow this. Well unfortunately that means I just can't trust your reads because you've proven them to be bad this game. Not really I didn't vote a townie yesterday, or at least I haven't been confirmed to vote a townie. You DID vote a townie yesterday no matter how much of a saint you think you are. Maybe you didn't END UP on a townie. That remains to be seen. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 16:12 GMT
#2117
On August 29 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote: I think ignoring palmar is going to be super productive actually. Yes, my mood tells me to sheep marv on palmar, palmar on Trfel and ignore every word palmar posts because his posts are literally cancer. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 16:14 GMT
#2120
On August 29 2015 01:13 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 01:12 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote: I think ignoring palmar is going to be super productive actually. Yes, my mood tells me to sheep marv on palmar, palmar on Trfel and ignore every word palmar posts because his posts are literally cancer. literally :D | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 16:15 GMT
#2122
On August 29 2015 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not sheeping palmar on Trfel but you're welcome to. Yes, I have to admit that's a little selfish but it is win-win for me. If he is right - nice. If he is wrong he will have to apologize to me profusely later on. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 16:17 GMT
#2126
On August 29 2015 01:17 marvellosity wrote: post-game bragging 100x more important than winning game, of course ^^^^^^ | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 16:20 GMT
#2128
Also I never called Trfel 100 % mafia. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 16:23 GMT
#2131
On August 29 2015 01:22 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 01:21 Palmar wrote: I'm not wrong on you if you're mafia. I'm also not wrong on you if I never vote you at the day end and you're town. tldr: Palmar always right, everyone else always wrong Who would have thought... | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 16:41 GMT
#2135
Palmar Marv Moosy Rsoultin VE Trfel Sounds like a start. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 16:43 GMT
#2138
On August 29 2015 01:41 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 01:13 marvellosity wrote: On August 29 2015 01:12 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote: I think ignoring palmar is going to be super productive actually. Yes, my mood tells me to sheep marv on palmar, palmar on Trfel and ignore every word palmar posts because his posts are literally cancer. literally -_- I knew you would like this :p | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 16:50 GMT
#2151
On August 29 2015 01:48 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 01:43 Palmar wrote: On August 29 2015 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I hope we're not all waiting on me. I'm definitely not trying to re-read the game in less than twelve hours, not with my schedule anyway. I'll do so if I live through the night. In the meantime we can talk about players like Hopeless and decon. Players who have no horse in the race as it were with regard to Palmar/Trfel. For starters I thought the way Hopeless opened the night with "Well I'm fucked" was a little awkward in a guilty-conscience sort of way. Taken with his entrance to the tread, I think there could be a good chance of him flipping mafia. Thoughts? I moved off BF precisely because his filter did not come across as awkward at all. While obviously I had like 3 minutes to read bf and hopeless, I did not get the same feeling from hopeless' filter. It may not mean anything until I read more but still. What filter? All I got from him was the need to deliberately antagonize the people in this game. On August 27 2015 19:05 boxerfred wrote: On August 27 2015 18:59 marvellosity wrote: off you toddle then. boxerfred, I'm so glad you signed up for this game, your effort, dedication and wit that you've brought to this particular episode are truly a joy Yes I'm awesome. On August 28 2015 05:18 boxerfred wrote: On August 28 2015 04:34 KelsierSC wrote: On August 28 2015 04:33 boxerfred wrote: On August 28 2015 04:21 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 04:17 boxerfred wrote: ##vote justanothertownie ^ You should probably justify this soon. At this point I have produced by far the most content in this game. I received a PM that reminded me of voting, you're the wagon, have no time until tomorrow. well you're here now and you are being a fucking retard #sorrynotsorry Those don't sound like mafia posts? Correct. They sound like "should never sign up for a game of mafia again" posts though. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 17:01 GMT
#2157
On August 29 2015 01:58 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 01:51 rsoultin wrote: On August 29 2015 01:48 Palmar wrote: On August 29 2015 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 01:43 Palmar wrote: On August 29 2015 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I hope we're not all waiting on me. I'm definitely not trying to re-read the game in less than twelve hours, not with my schedule anyway. I'll do so if I live through the night. In the meantime we can talk about players like Hopeless and decon. Players who have no horse in the race as it were with regard to Palmar/Trfel. For starters I thought the way Hopeless opened the night with "Well I'm fucked" was a little awkward in a guilty-conscience sort of way. Taken with his entrance to the tread, I think there could be a good chance of him flipping mafia. Thoughts? I moved off BF precisely because his filter did not come across as awkward at all. While obviously I had like 3 minutes to read bf and hopeless, I did not get the same feeling from hopeless' filter. It may not mean anything until I read more but still. What filter? All I got from him was the need to deliberately antagonize the people in this game. On August 27 2015 19:05 boxerfred wrote: On August 27 2015 18:59 marvellosity wrote: off you toddle then. boxerfred, I'm so glad you signed up for this game, your effort, dedication and wit that you've brought to this particular episode are truly a joy Yes I'm awesome. On August 28 2015 05:18 boxerfred wrote: On August 28 2015 04:34 KelsierSC wrote: On August 28 2015 04:33 boxerfred wrote: On August 28 2015 04:21 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 04:17 boxerfred wrote: ##vote justanothertownie ^ You should probably justify this soon. At this point I have produced by far the most content in this game. I received a PM that reminded me of voting, you're the wagon, have no time until tomorrow. well you're here now and you are being a fucking retard #sorrynotsorry Those don't sound like mafia posts? -pokes at palmar- you think jat is still scum why? His soul is black I am sooo evil. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 17:10 GMT
#2161
On August 29 2015 02:08 Palmar wrote: Like I'm pretty good, but I think marv has a better success rate than me, especially beyond day 1 This "Palmar is much better day1" thing is a myth. Even if you believe it yourself. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 17:24 GMT
#2171
On August 29 2015 02:21 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:08 Palmar wrote: Like I'm pretty good, but I think marv has a better success rate than me, especially beyond day 1 i would say i'm quite a few levels below peak play, and that's been recurring over the summer You know why? Because you got lazy and I got impatient. It used to be like this: You push someone - I sheep. It has been like this recently: I push the lynches - you sheep. We have been losing a lot due to this. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 17:30 GMT
#2192
On August 29 2015 02:27 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:24 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 02:21 marvellosity wrote: On August 29 2015 02:08 Palmar wrote: Like I'm pretty good, but I think marv has a better success rate than me, especially beyond day 1 i would say i'm quite a few levels below peak play, and that's been recurring over the summer You know why? Because you got lazy and I got impatient. It used to be like this: You push someone - I sheep. It has been like this recently: I push the lynches - you sheep. We have been losing a lot due to this. i'm kinda settling into the role of one of the grand old daddies of tl mafia who plays via sitting in my rocking chair with a dressing gown and a pipe (joint). in fairness i think i did have an unprecedentedly (totes a word) long stretch as a primary player, so i think i earnt it... I disagree. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 17:31 GMT
#2196
On August 29 2015 02:30 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + All three scum.On August 29 2015 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 02:23 Trfel wrote: WaveofShadow, why do you think I am mafia? And yes, I'm too lazy to read your filter. I'll go with rsoultin and VisceraEyes being town for now. More confident on VisceraEyes. Nah, you give me a read first. CC/KSC/ and if you have time do one on me, because if I remember correctly all you've had to say on me was 'I'm making no progress with WoS.' Your turn. :D | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 17:33 GMT
#2203
On August 29 2015 02:32 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: idk i'm tryna look at everyone in a new light and rsoul may be scum. in that same vein, i like the way that visceraeyes has been posting. it's not the content per se, but the manner in which he does it. it's like the key to reading him similar to tictock. this still doesn't say why what do you like about his posting? what makes you think i could be scum? really moosy just saying that you like chocolate over and over but don't like vanilla isn't terribly informative I think that analogy isn't exactly perfect. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 17:34 GMT
#2208
On August 29 2015 02:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:33 marvellosity wrote: On August 29 2015 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 02:30 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote: All three scum.On August 29 2015 02:23 Trfel wrote: WaveofShadow, why do you think I am mafia? And yes, I'm too lazy to read your filter. I'll go with rsoultin and VisceraEyes being town for now. More confident on VisceraEyes. Nah, you give me a read first. CC/KSC/ and if you have time do one on me, because if I remember correctly all you've had to say on me was 'I'm making no progress with WoS.' Your turn. Not good enough. You've solved the game and have no reasons for it? Like that actually doesn't make any sense at all. The entirety of D1 was my two scummates bussing me? Eh...maybe that's not the worst thing actually. Seems kinda dumb to me off the bat though. you're taking it a lot more seriously than i took that post Well he's clearly serious. Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:33 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Process of elimination.On August 29 2015 02:30 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote: All three scum.On August 29 2015 02:23 Trfel wrote: WaveofShadow, why do you think I am mafia? And yes, I'm too lazy to read your filter. I'll go with rsoultin and VisceraEyes being town for now. More confident on VisceraEyes. Nah, you give me a read first. CC/KSC/ and if you have time do one on me, because if I remember correctly all you've had to say on me was 'I'm making no progress with WoS.' Your turn. Not good enough. You've solved the game and have no reasons for it? It's not the worst poe I ever saw. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 20:43 GMT
#2261
On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote: On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote: On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz na he never does this Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read. Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care. I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post. You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter. I actually like this post. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 20:50 GMT
#2267
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 20:52 GMT
#2271
On August 29 2015 05:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 05:49 KelsierSC wrote: On August 29 2015 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On August 29 2015 05:43 KelsierSC wrote: On August 29 2015 05:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On August 29 2015 05:40 KelsierSC wrote: On August 29 2015 05:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On August 29 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote: On August 29 2015 05:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him. i did read your mega post Then why are you mafia buddying me? You just defended me against Vivax, and you've been doing this all game. because vivax made a stupid post That's true. But in my experience mafia are more likely to defend me than town are, especially given that most people have been terribly scumreading me this game. i don't agree with the scum read on you Or you are mafia and know I'm town. or i have reasons to town read you, good talk Explain how Trfel and I had the best ideas about Hopeless being mafia, and that's why you were scumreading him. uhmm? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 21:16 GMT
#2293
On August 29 2015 06:12 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 06:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: These are all early day 1 reads, there is nothing concrete about them. I'm not saying that Rsoultin is absolutely town because she was excited at the beginning of the day. I'm not saying Palmar must be town because he townread Rsoultin early on. Jesus people, it's just how I interpreted the game early on to get a grasp on who was best to look at. If you don't like my reasoning for early reads when there are 5 pages in the game, I'm very sorry. I don't clean up my reads to look absolutely iron-clad logical from everyone's perspective. I have a unique point of view, and I may town/scum read people early for reasons that don't make complete sense to everyone. That's because I'm going with my gut as town, and gut-reads are typically just feelings. Not much else to go on early in the game. Like, it's starting to get me angry that everyone is simultaneously scumreading me for "clean posts/TMI/to good to be town" while also stating that some of my thought processes are illogical. Those two can't go together, it's either one or the other. Because if I am adhering to my 2 yr old scum meta and having very clean posts, then I have very few flaws in my logic because I'm making up stuff that is believable. I'm town. I try to make what I'm thinking (no matter if it actually makes sense to you guys or not) visible, because I'm being truthful. I'm clearly attempting to figure out the game through whatever avenues I can, and there is nothing more towny than that. tldr you have no explanation. gotcha my problem is gut reads or not, the read progression is odd. i don't care when people demonstrate they don't think logically, but you don't seem to have that problem I think this is going in circles by now and only helps CC if he is mafia. His explanation for his reads is totally viable and fine. The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 21:20 GMT
#2301
On August 29 2015 06:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 06:16 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 06:12 rsoultin wrote: On August 29 2015 06:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: These are all early day 1 reads, there is nothing concrete about them. I'm not saying that Rsoultin is absolutely town because she was excited at the beginning of the day. I'm not saying Palmar must be town because he townread Rsoultin early on. Jesus people, it's just how I interpreted the game early on to get a grasp on who was best to look at. If you don't like my reasoning for early reads when there are 5 pages in the game, I'm very sorry. I don't clean up my reads to look absolutely iron-clad logical from everyone's perspective. I have a unique point of view, and I may town/scum read people early for reasons that don't make complete sense to everyone. That's because I'm going with my gut as town, and gut-reads are typically just feelings. Not much else to go on early in the game. Like, it's starting to get me angry that everyone is simultaneously scumreading me for "clean posts/TMI/to good to be town" while also stating that some of my thought processes are illogical. Those two can't go together, it's either one or the other. Because if I am adhering to my 2 yr old scum meta and having very clean posts, then I have very few flaws in my logic because I'm making up stuff that is believable. I'm town. I try to make what I'm thinking (no matter if it actually makes sense to you guys or not) visible, because I'm being truthful. I'm clearly attempting to figure out the game through whatever avenues I can, and there is nothing more towny than that. tldr you have no explanation. gotcha my problem is gut reads or not, the read progression is odd. i don't care when people demonstrate they don't think logically, but you don't seem to have that problem I think this is going in circles by now and only helps CC if he is mafia. His explanation for his reads is totally viable and fine. The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning. Where is there no reasoning for my townreads early on? I don't necessarily believe in them any more (i.e. Palmar), I have clearly been giving my reasoning for townreading people since early on. You are actually lying. You misread my post. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 21:24 GMT
#2306
On August 29 2015 06:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: "The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning" You are literally saying that I'm giving townreads, but I'm not giving the reasoning behind them. I said in my first post of the game that Palmar was town because he townread Rsoultin, and I said that Rsoultin was town because she was excited. No, I am literally saying that the fact that you are giving out the townreads is the problem and not your reasoning for them. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 21:47 GMT
#2315
On August 29 2015 06:43 rsoultin wrote: so, ye, shitty lazy rsoul reads post incoming strong town marv - lock town (don't care about you wafflers) town vivax - tangentially aggressive/not his scum game palmar - too similar d1 thoughts wave - disorganized/not his scum game town leans ve - anger/aggression/frustration says town ve jat - irritating but his play has the "jattyness" i didn't see earlier ksc - scum game is worse than this moosy - chaotic/tone says town poe condor - more likely scum if hopeless is town than if hopeless is scum? almost want to punt him up into town leans though hopeless - could just be awful though trfel - so...yeah. fuck this shit like...it feels like he's deliberately avoiding me in thread and i just came to the very uncomfortable conclusion that i'm actually more sure of at least 4 players than i am of him, which should never happen if he's town and actually playing CC - gut scumread...there's a disconnect somewhere...i'll figure out what it is eventually tldr: condor could be town actually maybe and i think truffle may actually be scum and i've just been stupid an entire day phase and jat's gonna end up crowing end game and i hate you jat -_- Quite a few surprises in here. Besides the obvious: What makes you think Wave is disorganized and why do you think he couldn't fake that as scum? How would you characterize Vivax scumgame? How can you say Kelsiers scumgame is worse than this when he just played a very good scumgame? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 21:49 GMT
#2319
On August 29 2015 06:49 MoosyDoosy wrote: trfel where are your beautiful cases ^^^^ | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 21:53 GMT
#2326
On August 29 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 06:47 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 06:43 rsoultin wrote: so, ye, shitty lazy rsoul reads post incoming strong town marv - lock town (don't care about you wafflers) town vivax - tangentially aggressive/not his scum game palmar - too similar d1 thoughts wave - disorganized/not his scum game town leans ve - anger/aggression/frustration says town ve jat - irritating but his play has the "jattyness" i didn't see earlier ksc - scum game is worse than this moosy - chaotic/tone says town poe condor - more likely scum if hopeless is town than if hopeless is scum? almost want to punt him up into town leans though hopeless - could just be awful though trfel - so...yeah. fuck this shit like...it feels like he's deliberately avoiding me in thread and i just came to the very uncomfortable conclusion that i'm actually more sure of at least 4 players than i am of him, which should never happen if he's town and actually playing CC - gut scumread...there's a disconnect somewhere...i'll figure out what it is eventually tldr: condor could be town actually maybe and i think truffle may actually be scum and i've just been stupid an entire day phase and jat's gonna end up crowing end game and i hate you jat -_- Quite a few surprises in here. Besides the obvious: What makes you think Wave is disorganized and why do you think he couldn't fake that as scum? How would you characterize Vivax scumgame? How can you say Kelsiers scumgame is worse than this when he just played a very good scumgame? - i think he could fake it as scum but he doesn't, and it feels like he's approached this game very naturally instead of with the purpose and deliberateness i'd expect and have seen in his scum games - vivax's scumgame is awful, boring, and not terribly aggressive (i.e. not this) - he didn't - I think you are overestimating WoS scumgame but fair enough. - I would argue he has been boring and not terribly aggressive for most of this game at least. - If you say so. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 21:56 GMT
#2332
On August 29 2015 06:53 marvellosity wrote: good reads post rsoul, i liked it I think it is funny that she arrived at the EXACT same lynchpool I created yesterday (minus boxerfred obviously). | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 21:58 GMT
#2334
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 21:59 GMT
#2337
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 21:59 GMT
#2338
On August 29 2015 06:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 06:56 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 06:53 marvellosity wrote: good reads post rsoul, i liked it I think it is funny that she arrived at the EXACT same lynchpool I created yesterday (minus boxerfred obviously). No 'cause I was in yours. At the start, but I removed you way before deadline. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:03 GMT
#2342
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:05 GMT
#2344
On August 29 2015 07:04 Trfel wrote: I don't know what that means at all. I guess it makes sense if justanothertownie is scum, or if mafia wanted to kill WaveofShadow instead of justanothertownie for some reason. ? What does this has to do with me at all? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:06 GMT
#2345
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:14 GMT
#2351
On August 29 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote: so i was gonna do something clever or hold on to it, but I have a green check on deconduo ... I think you shouldn't have claimed that. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:15 GMT
#2354
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:18 GMT
#2360
On August 29 2015 07:18 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 07:15 justanothertownie wrote: Serously, why are you claiming that without gaining further info first? -.- 1. i am stoned 2. i will be stoned most of tomorrow and then out all through the weekend 3. so it seemed like an ok idea given my own situation .... | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:19 GMT
#2361
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:21 GMT
#2366
On August 29 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 07:18 marvellosity wrote: On August 29 2015 07:15 justanothertownie wrote: Serously, why are you claiming that without gaining further info first? -.- 1. i am stoned 2. i will be stoned most of tomorrow and then out all through the weekend 3. so it seemed like an ok idea given my own situation NO not good idea. see now there's almost no point in lynching hopeless except that we need to spend this lynch well on actual mafia. if we really had doubts or no recourse then lynching hopeless would be the back escape. if hopeless flips town, then you say decon is town because it otherwise paints decon in mafia light. if hopeless flips mafia, then decon is confirmed town and you have no need to claim. -.- He is one shot so it doesn't matter/he should claim today but he could have used this knowledge before claiming prematurely. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:23 GMT
#2369
On August 29 2015 07:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 07:20 marvellosity wrote: i'm one-shot moosy, i don't get another check o then that's a bit better (but i wouldn't have checked decon, because decon alignment decided by hopeless lynch!!!11!!!!) -.- (shoulda checked mr. cc or someone else) Deconduo is a good check because he is NOT the obvious check -> frame target and still a very viable lynch and unlikely to become towny later. And no, his alignment is in no way tied to hopeless. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:27 GMT
#2373
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:29 GMT
#2376
On August 29 2015 07:28 marvellosity wrote: at any rate, we go with the check for now while there are various other mafia out there Yep. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:30 GMT
#2377
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:35 GMT
#2379
On August 29 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + What about the part where rsoultin's scumread on me is stupid and nonsensical?On August 29 2015 07:30 justanothertownie wrote: Btw. Palmar, if you are mason with trfel or some shit you out that today. Because if you do not have additional reasoning for him being town then I might retract my sheep and sheep rsoultin instead. Her tonereads do always look nonsensical but that doesn't change the fact that she has a near perfect track record on you. Not that I didn't bring up points against you myself already. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:37 GMT
#2382
On August 29 2015 07:36 MoosyDoosy wrote: and lack of sexy cases and that | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:38 GMT
#2385
On August 29 2015 07:37 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Your points were generally bad and I already showed why.On August 29 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 07:30 justanothertownie wrote: What about the part where rsoultin's scumread on me is stupid and nonsensical?Btw. Palmar, if you are mason with trfel or some shit you out that today. Because if you do not have additional reasoning for him being town then I might retract my sheep and sheep rsoultin instead. Her tonereads do always look nonsensical but that doesn't change the fact that she has a near perfect track record on you. Not that I didn't bring up points against you myself already. Her read on me was largely due to POE and largely due to the perception that I was ignoring her, which is simply false. Look, I don't care how she got the read. Fact is when you are town she defends you until the end of time. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:41 GMT
#2387
On August 29 2015 07:40 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + There actually was a time where she was wrong and I was her strongest scumread. We were both town.On August 29 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 07:37 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote: Your points were generally bad and I already showed why.On August 29 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 07:30 justanothertownie wrote: What about the part where rsoultin's scumread on me is stupid and nonsensical?Btw. Palmar, if you are mason with trfel or some shit you out that today. Because if you do not have additional reasoning for him being town then I might retract my sheep and sheep rsoultin instead. Her tonereads do always look nonsensical but that doesn't change the fact that she has a near perfect track record on you. Not that I didn't bring up points against you myself already. Her read on me was largely due to POE and largely due to the perception that I was ignoring her, which is simply false. Look, I don't care how she got the read. Fact is when you are town she defends you until the end of time. Yes, there also was a time when marv got mislynched. Doesn't mean it is likely to happen again. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:42 GMT
#2389
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:43 GMT
#2391
On August 29 2015 07:42 marvellosity wrote: back in 2012, i might add I would have managed to do it if your chessgame hadn't been over early. That would have been a nice achievement. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:46 GMT
#2394
On August 29 2015 07:45 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 07:43 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 07:42 marvellosity wrote: back in 2012, i might add I would have managed to do it if your chessgame hadn't been over early. That would have been a nice achievement. that was a stroke of good fortune. Well, we got HF instead which is also nice but still the inferior bragging material. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 28 2015 22:47 GMT
#2395
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 11:40 GMT
#2406
On August 29 2015 20:06 Palmar wrote: I'm just gonna vote hopeless. We're gonna do it anyway, might as well get it out of the way and solve the game tomorrow. This is awful. And completely true at the same time. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 12:18 GMT
#2412
On August 29 2015 21:11 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 07:07 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 07:05 justanothertownie wrote: Assuming everyone is town, I would think that mafia would prioritize kills as follows:On August 29 2015 07:04 Trfel wrote: I don't know what that means at all. I guess it makes sense if justanothertownie is scum, or if mafia wanted to kill WaveofShadow instead of justanothertownie for some reason. ? What does this has to do with me at all? marvellosity rsoultin justanothertownie WaveofShadow Why isn't Palmar there? It is a very curious list anyways. Why is Wave there? Why isn't Palmar there? Why this order? Weird all around. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 12:19 GMT
#2413
On August 29 2015 20:56 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 20:40 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 20:06 Palmar wrote: I'm just gonna vote hopeless. We're gonna do it anyway, might as well get it out of the way and solve the game tomorrow. This is awful. And completely true at the same time. I know it's awful. Something in this game is broken. Do you 100% believe marv's claim? Don't you? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 12:23 GMT
#2414
On August 29 2015 21:02 Vivax wrote: Looking at WoS and rsoultins reads we should be discussing CC/Trfel/Kelsier for mafia today instead of afking on hopeless like Palmar wants. They were their scumreads. Rsoultin was sort of right on decon provided that marv's check is true and correct. Even if they were just a medic dodge it doesn't hurt to look into these three. Yes, but it doesn't really change much for me. Maybe I am less inclined to lynch Vivax and more inclined to lynch Trfel because of rsoultin. CC ispretty high on my list anyways. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 12:37 GMT
#2418
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 12:44 GMT
#2420
On August 29 2015 21:37 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 21:37 justanothertownie wrote: If palmar was sure I am mafia he would be pushing me. He is just keeping his annoying act up. i kinda think so too, but if that's the case then his list is meaningless, kinda Why do you think Kelsier is so town because I don't really see it? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 12:46 GMT
#2421
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 12:51 GMT
#2424
On August 29 2015 21:48 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 21:44 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 21:37 marvellosity wrote: On August 29 2015 21:37 justanothertownie wrote: If palmar was sure I am mafia he would be pushing me. He is just keeping his annoying act up. i kinda think so too, but if that's the case then his list is meaningless, kinda Why do you think Kelsier is so town because I don't really see it? i don't think my list paints him as so town anymore dno, i explained why already, how he fooled me last game by making his scumgame quite a bit better. i just think this game is quite a few steps above how he played there (especially as he totally dropped off there) rsoultin also thought the same as me about it I know. It is the only reason I am evaluating to remove him from my lynchpool again. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 12:51 GMT
#2425
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 13:49 GMT
#2428
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 13:50 GMT
#2429
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 14:10 GMT
#2431
Didn't you say you need to find your lynch this afternoon? -.- | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 14:26 GMT
#2433
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 14:27 GMT
#2434
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 14:36 GMT
#2437
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 14:39 GMT
#2438
On August 29 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote: the thing is, if hopeless doesn't play / his play is bad through today, then he's probably a pretty nice lynch. but still Yes, but we can still shenanny onto him if CC is towny. And I also still have hopes for a vigi after realizing that BH uses his fucking retarded can't shoot n1 rule again. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 29 2015 14:55 GMT
#2440
On August 29 2015 23:43 Hopeless1der wrote: Let's be real, it would take a heroic effort for me to avoid getting lynched and I just don't have the time today and most if tomorrow so I have to own being the asshole who signed up and barely played. That said, I will at least give a cursory pass of the game. In no particular order: Marv No reason not to believe Marvs check on decon. Assumedo town until lylo where paranoia ensues. Decon Green check, but reasonable frame target (I didn't check the OP, is that even possible?) Don't like how strongly he was trying to push me eod but I haven't earned the right to be pissy about it. Banking on Marvs check on this. Palmar Has actually played the game and despite his normal inflated head methods, has provided some reasons for his reads. I want to say that Palmar is prone to bussing dead weight but had no real focus at eod, dropped Jat but is still calling him mafia? I don't see him actually trying to solve things tbh. Could see him being mafia of the town circle. Today I think I would want to lynch kelsier the most. He's been painting me with the reddest brush he can find and I don't believe he actually had the conviction behind that push, not when Marv rsoul vivax and a couple others I think have pointed out that I fully do this afk garbage play as both alignments. At some point I will try to go back and reread how my wagon and boxerfred's wagon formed and see if I come up with anything. I would otherwise lynch trfel, CC, vivax in that order off of poe. Sorry I haven't given this game the attention it deserves. I'll run through filters tomorrow morning and give my thoughts. Just do what you can if you are town. As far as I am concerned your lynch isn't certain at all. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 00:51 GMT
#2493
On August 30 2015 01:49 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 22:49 justanothertownie wrote: You know what annoys me about Palmar? Not only this pathetic need to stick to his joke about me being confirmed mafia for no reason. There is nothing behind it. He isn't doing jackshit despite constantly complaining about the state of the game. Yesterday he said bf and hope are both town. There is no indication for a change of opinion from him but somehow he is now ok with lynching him. Since when does palmar not care if his townreads get lynched? He has absolutely no scumreads and still didn't even reevaluate about his Trfel stuff in the slightest even though there are very good reasons to do so. Not the slightest bit of thinking or paranoia. Thi is why you don't get to complain, there is no reason to take you seriously while you think this. This is why your play sucks ass if you are town. There is no reason to take you seriously while you think this. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 00:54 GMT
#2495
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 00:58 GMT
#2498
On August 30 2015 09:57 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Because this isn't my scum play, and in a way that would be extremely difficult for me to fake as town. Because while I have done some things that seem "strange", they have no mafia motivation (further suggesting that I am town). Because of how terrible my last scum game was.On August 30 2015 09:54 justanothertownie wrote: Trfel, why should any sane being consider you confirmed town? Yeah, no. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 01:13 GMT
#2504
On August 30 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Justanothertownie, assuming you are town: 1. You are actually good at this game. 2. I am not. You know that I am not, because you constantly berate me in Obs QTs and post-game. Remember how I threw Gaiden 1, and you kept picking on me in the Obs QT for it? 3. Instead of talking about pointless things like my own alignment, why not actually tell me what you think about Vivax, and why? Since you're actually good at this game, and I'm not. If you think I'm town, you should help me. If you think I'm mafia, you should do things that actually show this, like why my actual reads/pushes of importance are wrong and mafia motivated. 1. Not for me to judge. 2. Did I? Could be. 3. What I am trying to understand is why you do not question Palmars townread on you. It is way to strong way to early and never changing. If I were you I would be extremely paranoid about it. And the other way round it doesn't make any sense for Palmar to be this sure about you. I will maybe reevaluate Vivax tomorrow, currently I am giving some credit to rsoultins read on him. Now it is after 3 am and I am extremely intoxicated. Will go to sleep. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 10:07 GMT
#2514
On August 30 2015 10:42 Trfel wrote: Why does justanothertownie place so much value in rsoultin's reads when rsoultin was (presumably) wrong on justanothertownie for most of Day 1 and justanothertownie spent much of the game talking about how terrible rsoultin is at this game? I don't think it's significant, but I don't like it? What a stupid and useless question once again. In what way would her read on me have anything to do with her read on other people? Does being wrong on me mean she is wrong on everything? No. And more importantly while she generally hasn't got a read on me she is way more confident and better in reading Vivax and Trfel for example. Why would I ignore that only because she has been wrong on me day1? Justify this shitty question. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 17:38 GMT
#2558
On August 31 2015 01:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mafia arent interested in lynching me because town (marv) has already made up his mind. And i never agreed with all of trfels logic. I agreed mainly with that scum are just sitting back and letting the lynch happen without proposing alternate candidates. Wasn't Trfels logic that you had to be town because scum isn't trying to save you? Because that is retarded considering you both think most of the people on your wagon are most likely town. If town marv and town jat are pushing your lynch it is not very likely for mafia to save you if you are also scum so they will either bus you or waffle on you in case we change our minds. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 17:39 GMT
#2559
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 19:36 GMT
#2562
On August 31 2015 04:30 Palmar wrote: Does mafia cc spew me town when he is about to be lynched? I think I'm gonna vote hopeless What kind of backwards logic is that? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 19:44 GMT
#2563
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 20:07 GMT
#2568
On August 31 2015 05:00 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 31 2015 04:44 justanothertownie wrote: Please explain. Are you seriously saying CC calling you mafia is spewing you town if he is mafia? Because even for you that's too retarded. Yep Maybe we should just lynch you instead. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 20:50 GMT
#2571
On August 31 2015 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 31 2015 05:07 justanothertownie wrote: On August 31 2015 05:00 Palmar wrote: On August 31 2015 04:44 justanothertownie wrote: Please explain. Are you seriously saying CC calling you mafia is spewing you town if he is mafia? Because even for you that's too retarded. Yep Maybe we should just lynch you instead. Do you think we should wait to see CC's flip to lynch Palmar or go for him right now? Because that post and his recent activity make me very unhappy. I will read and see if I still want to lynch CC first. Palmars alignment isn't tied to CC either way and it IS weekend which means his activity will always suck. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 20:54 GMT
#2573
On August 31 2015 05:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If I were mafia I'd just push a lynch on Hopeless, regardless of if he's my scum partner or town, lol. Guarantee you that's what I'd do. No bold cus phone posting in haste at work Moosy Maybe you would but that's WIFOM. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 21:18 GMT
#2578
On August 31 2015 06:04 Vivax wrote: Shenannies time? Who do you want to kill then? | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 21:20 GMT
#2579
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 21:24 GMT
#2582
On August 31 2015 06:09 Vivax wrote: It's tempting to let CC live for his last big post but his Trfel read rubs me the wrong way after JAT and I made similar points about how it doesn't make much sense for CC to agree with Trfel's wagon analysis. Yes, I also like this post I think. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 21:25 GMT
#2583
On August 31 2015 06:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On August 31 2015 06:20 justanothertownie wrote: The biggest reason why I am evaluating not lynching CC is because I would feel really bad about mislynching him if he is town. Why would you feel bad? That seems more of a personal appeal (oh no, I lynched CC as town) instead of a mechanical one (Damn! We lynched town.) Is it because this is the first game after my haitus? No, it is because unlike other people you are actually trying and part of my reason to lynch you is that you were too correct day1. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 21:27 GMT
#2586
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 21:28 GMT
#2589
On August 31 2015 06:27 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On August 31 2015 06:18 justanothertownie wrote: On August 31 2015 06:04 Vivax wrote: Shenannies time? Who do you want to kill then? I don't know, I just know that it ends up in terrible lynches when half the town is afk. I have like a feeling of impending doom cause it's only us making the decision now and there's almost no feedback, which IS indicative that the wagon could be on town. I feel like yolo voting Palmar. Yes, me too. But I know that I am biased and marv still kinda townreads him :/ | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 21:28 GMT
#2591
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justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 21:35 GMT
#2598
On August 31 2015 06:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Is making a big deal out of nothing a scum trait? Because I'm interpretting Palmar's pressure of JAT making a big deal of nothing. Not really. The problem is that he hasn't any scumreads besides that. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
August 30 2015 21:37 GMT
#2600
On August 31 2015 06:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On August 31 2015 06:32 Vivax wrote: On August 31 2015 06:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm here am I too late? No, just in time. CC acting townie as of late, Palmar acting like I don't know what and Kelsier heading for a modkill. We have to pick one. Trfel would probably be a good lynch too but CC doesn't wanna vote him, it'd need at least you, jat and moosy to lynch him. I could lynch Hopeless still, why no mention of Hopeless? I guess he is still the "lynch if in doubt" option. The problem is that if I look at the day1 votecount I don't see what mafia is doing if he is scum. Probably bussing. | ||
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August 30 2015 21:39 GMT
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August 30 2015 21:41 GMT
#2611
On August 31 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote: WE ARE NOT LYNCHING PALMAR If you are masons you will claim. If you don't have additional reason to think he is town you will be ignored. | ||
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August 30 2015 21:46 GMT
#2619
On August 31 2015 06:45 Trfel wrote: His play does not fit a mafia motivation. It fits the motivation of town who is frustrated at being unable to find mafia and with his push going nowhere. Lynching Palmar over the weekend is really, really stupid. Give him another day to actually play. No, it doesn't fit that motivation at all because he ISN'T TRYING TO FIND MAFIA. | ||
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August 30 2015 21:49 GMT
#2624
On August 31 2015 06:47 Trfel wrote: I will lynch Mr. Cheesecake instead of Palmar ##unvote ##Vote: Palmar Now you can't unless you sell me why Palmar is so goddamn towny to you. | ||
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August 30 2015 21:52 GMT
#2635
On August 31 2015 06:52 Trfel wrote: Palmar is confirmed town, mason. You are such a fucking idiot. | ||
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August 30 2015 21:54 GMT
#2644
On August 31 2015 06:52 Vivax wrote: I don't believe you. Doesn't matter. They are tied together now and if they don't get shot before LYLO they are going down. | ||
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August 30 2015 21:54 GMT
#2648
On August 31 2015 06:54 deconduo wrote: Do we have time to switch to hopeless? I was wondering the same. Would switch. | ||
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August 30 2015 21:55 GMT
#2652
On August 31 2015 06:54 Trfel wrote: Lynch Mr. Cheesecake Why? | ||
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August 30 2015 21:56 GMT
#2656
On August 31 2015 06:55 deconduo wrote: If we have masons + a cop, we don't have a vig anyway. Good point. | ||
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August 30 2015 21:56 GMT
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August 30 2015 21:58 GMT
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August 30 2015 21:58 GMT
#2669
On August 31 2015 06:58 Palmar wrote: I fucking forgot Kelsier, which probably means he's mafia. That's like the best scumtell I know. I forget that a person exists. Possible. | ||
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August 30 2015 21:59 GMT
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August 30 2015 22:03 GMT
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August 30 2015 22:06 GMT
#2706
On August 31 2015 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: only not-that world I can think of is Trfel by himself (to get palmar lynched down the line) which is clever Well, in any case we are lynching him first and then Palmar better BLEEDS town if he actually is. | ||
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August 30 2015 22:08 GMT
#2712
On August 31 2015 07:05 Trfel wrote: Okay, fine, you got me. I'm mafia and that's why I know that Palmar is town. I roleclaimed mason because I thought I could pocket him for not only this game, but the next game too. Otherwise, Palmar is mafia with me and I didn't actually ask him if my plan was good or not. So, what the hell were you thinking if you aren't mason with Palmar? Not at all would be my guess. | ||
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August 30 2015 22:08 GMT
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August 30 2015 22:10 GMT
#2718
On August 31 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: Palmar is still town, which is nice because I've been townreading him for the entire game. WHY? HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU KNOW? | ||
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August 30 2015 22:27 GMT
#2724
On August 31 2015 07:12 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + No, I didn't miss it. There is potential godfather and potential framer, or marvellosity could be lying (unlikely, but still). I'm confident enough in my deconduo read to consider lynching him despite a green check.On August 31 2015 07:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On August 31 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: On second thought, I think I quit this game. KelsierSC is likely mafia, which is nice because I've been suspicious of him for a while. Despite no one wanting to talk to me about him. Palmar is still town, which is nice because I've been townreading him for the entire game. Hopeless1der flipped town, which shows that my (eventual) townread on him was good. I thought it was good, but no one wanted to talk about him, so whatever. Still unsure about Mr. Cheesecake, but his emotions (as Palmar pointed out) seem quite towny. He really does seem invested in the game. Still think that deconduo is likely mafia, even though no one else wants to talk about him. Though this is sort of understandable, for now, anyway. Still think that Vivax could be mafia, despite no one wanting to talk about him. You guys can thank me post-game. I've already had a few controversial townreads confirmed to be correct. If you really want to ignore everything I'm saying, I can't stop you. missed that decondou is conf. town via marv cop Well, too bad you just made it so you will be lynched ages before him. Good job. And then you have the audacity to say we can thank you post game. You better be mafia. | ||
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August 31 2015 07:18 GMT
#2743
Mafia team is Vivax, KelsierSC, and deconduo. If that is wrong, next two most likely are justanothertownie and VisceraEyes. ahahaha | ||
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August 31 2015 07:24 GMT
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August 31 2015 08:12 GMT
#2745
So if we assume this then your early Palmar comment was cleary some sort of shitty breadcrumb and I noticed something that was in fact not natural. AND PALMAR FUCKING KNEW THIS AND STILL PUSHED ME FOR IT. That's even more retarded then his push would be otherwise. Literally bush league level of play. | ||
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August 31 2015 09:46 GMT
#2749
On August 31 2015 18:37 Palmar wrote: Re: tinfoil hats scenario. If anyone doubts trfel and I are actually masons well... we have been hard, hard, hard defending each other for no good reasons since back on day 1. (if you want to know what's been going on in our mason qt, the answer is very little. we both seem to take the approach of mostly just posting our thoughts into the thread instead of keeping them secret). marv/decon. The only scenario I'm worried about is if they're both mafia. If one of them is mafia it is probably statisically best to ignore them and search for 2/6 mafia in the group of remaining players. I think we mass-claim tomorrow, with even doctors claiming, mostly because no one else should be blue than marv/trfel/I for the game to be balanced... in most situations. Marvs claim only makes sense as mafia if they are both scum anyways. Why would he remove lynchbait deconduo from the lynchpool? He doesn't need the towncred himself. The possible scenarios are in my opinion 1) both town 2) both mafia 3) deconduo was framed/gf | ||
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August 31 2015 09:48 GMT
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August 31 2015 10:39 GMT
#2754
On August 31 2015 18:59 deconduo wrote: There is a very easy way to verify you are both masons together. Pick a time, and within 5 seconds of each other post both: - The solution to a relatively complicated equation - And the equation itself. For example something like: Cool stuff. The problem is that they can do the same as mafia :p And yes, it is tempting to just accept marv as town and move on from there because then we just leave Palmar/Trfel alive until LYLO and have a pretty small pool to pick out the mafia. | ||
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August 31 2015 11:10 GMT
#2756
On August 31 2015 19:44 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 31 2015 18:59 deconduo wrote: There is a very easy way to verify you are both masons together. Pick a time, and within 5 seconds of each other post both: - The solution to a relatively complicated equation - And the equation itself. For example something like: On August 31 2015 13:00 Palmar wrote: 23 On August 31 2015 13:00 Trfel wrote: ((127 * 6) + 12 - 567) / (3 + (12/2)) I think this is against the spirit of the game and I'm just not going to do it. It is irrelevant anyways. It would only reveal if at least one of you is town and VT instead of mason since this wouldn't prove if you are mason or mafia. | ||
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August 31 2015 13:09 GMT
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On August 31 2015 22:08 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 31 2015 12:47 Trfel wrote: On August 31 2015 12:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: Please, please, please ignore this.Trfel you're hurting my head. Why in the world is Palmar confirmed town? Why are you so ironclad on this fact? Imagine for a moment that I gave you indisputable evidence that I am in fact town, and Palmar is also town. I'm telling you that the scum team is KelsierSC, Vivax, and deconduo. For reasons previously stated, though if you would like me to clarify or further explain anything, I can do so. Do you agree, or do you disagree, and why? If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that your case against deconduo is very compelling. Why don't you comment on the other 2 mafiareads instead of the greencheck?! | ||
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August 31 2015 13:49 GMT
#2763
On August 31 2015 22:44 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 31 2015 22:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 31 2015 22:25 Trfel wrote: On August 31 2015 22:08 MoosyDoosy wrote: Why does my alignment affect how compelling the case is? (actually curious what you're thinking, not criticizing)On August 31 2015 12:47 Trfel wrote: On August 31 2015 12:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: Please, please, please ignore this.Trfel you're hurting my head. Why in the world is Palmar confirmed town? Why are you so ironclad on this fact? Imagine for a moment that I gave you indisputable evidence that I am in fact town, and Palmar is also town. I'm telling you that the scum team is KelsierSC, Vivax, and deconduo. For reasons previously stated, though if you would like me to clarify or further explain anything, I can do so. Do you agree, or do you disagree, and why? If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that your case against deconduo is very compelling. (well okay, not criticizing yet, anyway) let me rephrase that. If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that deconduo has to be Mafia here. -squints- To be fair, I can see the crumbs that you guys were masons all along but I still find it annoying that you guys did the EoD shenanigans. It's not exactly crumbs. In the QT I wrote "I'm not gonna claim mason, I'm just gonna hard defend you all the time" Yes, but Trfel did crumb and in combination it was pretty obvious. If you are what you claim I wonder why mafia did not act accordingly night1 or if they are just blind. | ||
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August 31 2015 15:14 GMT
#2769
On September 01 2015 00:08 Palmar wrote: RIP KSC :/ | ||
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August 31 2015 15:57 GMT
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August 31 2015 17:58 GMT
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August 31 2015 20:14 GMT
#2779
On September 01 2015 04:43 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + This portion is factually incorrect. I did care about the lynch, and I wanted to lynch Vivax. However, as stated, I didn't have any time to really play after Saturday evening.On September 01 2015 04:12 Vivax wrote: Ideally they would have either claimed it during the day and then steered the lynch where they wanted it to be making use of their confirmed until disproven status. Instead we see Palmar actually not giving a shit about who got lynched while claiming he wasn't a mason, and Trfel not giving a shit until Palmar was about to be lynched. They both agreed that CC was a bad lynch afterwards, yet Trfel only came out with information and posts when Palmar was threatened, not CC. And I did state that I didn't want Mr. Cheesecake to be lynched well before. Vivax is throwing doubt where there shouldn't be and lying because he knows that if the mason claim is believed, mafia loses. The problem is mafia does not automatically lose and he IS right. If you 2 heroes would have claimed earlier you could have easily had this lynch go the way you want it. But you didn't. For some inexplicable reason. Yes, he is overdramatic about it and this is something Palmar would absolutely do since he just is an ass like that. | ||
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August 31 2015 21:58 GMT
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August 31 2015 22:02 GMT
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August 31 2015 22:04 GMT
#2788
On September 01 2015 07:04 MoosyDoosy wrote: Huh. This means Mafia is really banking on making us think Trfel/Palmar's claim is false. Why do you think so? | ||
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August 31 2015 22:19 GMT
#2791
On September 01 2015 07:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2015 07:04 justanothertownie wrote: On September 01 2015 07:04 MoosyDoosy wrote: Huh. This means Mafia is really banking on making us think Trfel/Palmar's claim is false. Why do you think so? If they lynch Trfel or Palmar it's a dead giveaway as to their alignment and they can't afford to let that happen. Also, the lynch against marv was probably a ploy to demonstrate that he is indeed the cop and show us that his check was indeed real. This means they also want us to think that deconduo is green. Which leads me to just think of decon in a more suspicious light. Of course they might have anticipated my whole thought process and lynched marv on purpose to place more suspicion on decon. -shrugs- When we get there we get there. I'm happy to leave my vote on KSC for now. ##Vote: KelsierSC That's all nice and dandy but another reason could be that they did not know if marv was lying about being one-shot or not so shooting him over the masons is ALWAYS the better play unless they are afraid of a jailkeeper. They don't seem to be. Either because they know Palmar and Trfel are real and there shouldn't be any more blue roles or because they gambled that a possible JK would have been one-shot. | ||
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August 31 2015 22:21 GMT
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On September 01 2015 08:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Decondou is probably town. Marv would have had to check exactly the GF. It's far more likely that he's just inactive town (see: All the other town we lynched) You are forgetting a possible framer which makes it way more likely since we now know that deconduo would probably be the most inactive member of the team if he was mafia which means he was the best frame target. On September 01 2015 08:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If Palmar was right on JAT, the only reason he's right is because he had extra information in that he knew JAT's early push was on a townie. What kind of extra information is that? That townies do not push townies? lol On September 01 2015 08:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: A world of VE, Vivax, and JAT honestly would not surprise me. That would mean all the mafia were pushing my lynch. And who else did push your lynch all game? Marv. On September 01 2015 09:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mafia are never going to put KP on you vivax. so if you're veteran or PGO idc plz claim. You're just going to get roleblocked anyway. We do not know if they have a rb and if we are lynching KSC anyways then there is no need to claim whatever he is if he is town. On September 01 2015 09:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: though I expect JAT would have wanted to vote me instead of hopeless Why? I was clearly having doubts about you being mafia or else I would not have pushed Palmar, don't you think? On September 01 2015 12:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2015 12:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: Man, call me tunneled but I just can't help but feel chills over Mr. CC. Cheesycakes. What do you think of Trfel/Palmar vs Vivax situation. Which claim do you believe in right now. Is there any world where there is a 1-shot cop, mason pair, and tracker or w.e. vivax is? Yes, there is. Marv was one-shot, maybe Vivax is too, Gaiden 1 was littered with blue roles because of that. | ||
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On September 01 2015 08:51 Vivax wrote: The reason the mason claim is even LESS believable is that I'm blue myself. I'm not going to say what I am specifically until the next night is over as well. For now they clearly preferred getting rid of marv even though I hinted that I was blue during the night. ##Vote: KSC I'll pay more attention to the game again after this guy is dead. Why did you hint at being blue at all during the night? If you are shot we know. If you aren't you can claim today. What's the point besides letting mafia in on it? On September 01 2015 09:48 Vivax wrote: And THE most ridiculous thing is that the lynch happened without any fucking logic whatsoever, people were literally going WTF on Palmar's post as his reason to vote hopeless AND then he became the majority wagon for some reason. That's masssive bogus stinking bullcrap and now that I think of that it makes Mr. CC and JAT look like mafia. They were both all over Palmar for his hopeless vote but then voted the same guy regardless. CC at least can argue he had to save himself but for JAT I see no other justification. The mason claim makes Palmar extremely likely town in that situation so whatever bogus he said is completely irrelevant. | ||
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The masons need to survive 2 (!) nights until LYLO. That is awesome. If they manage to lynch 2 mafia before that they even become CONFIRMED. The absolute WORST play we could do right now is lynch into them unless we have really strong reason to disbelieve them which I do not see at all. We will NOT lynch Palmar or Trfel before LYLO. If they are real it is their duty to lynch scum or get shot before that. | ||
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On September 01 2015 18:40 KelsierSC wrote: the mason claim a the end was pretty weird, i assumed they were masoned from pretty early D1 but palmar stating they weren't and trefl then claiming right at the end they were. I don't really know what to make of that I don't like moosy I think his inconsistent game could actually be scum rather than inconsistent town. I agree that moosy has fallen off a lot. The mason inconsistency can be easily explained by Palmar being his usual self i.e. a dick. | ||
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On September 01 2015 18:53 Palmar wrote: I think the mafia team (and 1 is probably wrong) is: Vivax KSC VE This is based on multiple things and I don't think I'm going to write too much about it. Yes, you will. You said you would give solving this game a try and now you will follow through with this. If you and Trfel are town then we still have a good shot at this if you try. | ||
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On September 01 2015 18:50 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2015 12:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: and not to mention that mafia had 2kp on n1, which is something not usually had in normal 13 player setups Wasn't this a 14 player setup? CC was confused. This is basically a 13 player setup because the additional townie is balanced by the additional nightkill night1. | ||
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On September 01 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote: can someone confirm/deny they understand what I'm saying about vivax? It's incompatible that he believes the mason claimed could have been resolved (without flipping) and that he has doubts that it is true. I took his post as "we could have lynched you and resolved the masons thing this way". | ||
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If the masons are town then it is way better to not have lynched them. Either way we made the correct play by not lynching Palmar and removing an inactive question mark in hopeless instead. | ||
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Vivax Kelsier CC VE It should be possible to hit here and if we don't then the masons need to be looked at again. I think I also do not prefer lynching CC today. Vivax depending on what's up with the claim and his fight with Palmar/how today plays out. VE and KSC are poe and while VE has fallen off hard he is still townier than KSC so I am happy with this lynch. | ||
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On September 01 2015 21:40 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2015 21:24 justanothertownie wrote: Today Palmar and Trfel need to find the mafia in there and I will sheep. They have at least a 50:50 chance of hitting randomly in the group of 4 (that's if deconduo was framed/is gf - if he is town then it is 75 %). If they do not manage to do this we have a problem and they suck. Hey, you suck as well bro Sure, but I know I am not mafia and you theoretically can be. If we win the game depends on if you manage to prove yourself if you are town. | ||
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On September 01 2015 22:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Vivax visited JAT last night, so I'm gonna need to know WHICH blue you are claiming now Vivax. O.o How does this make any sense? Unless Vivax is rb/rolecop I guess. Weird. Too many blues I guess. | ||
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On September 01 2015 22:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm a 2-shot Tracker, on N1 I tracked Marv to decon which checked out when marv claimed and last night I tracked Vivax to JAT. I tracked Marv because I figured on N1 when mafia had 2kp, that would be the night marv would be carrying KP if he were mafia, so I YOLO'd and checked him instead of someone I was suspicious of. So now I'm at a crossroads. Vivax has claimed a blue role, and I have him visiting JAT and JAT not dying. So he could be a mafia role or a blue role, but he's something because he visited JAT. I'm not sure where I stand with Kelsier. Last night I was about certain he was mafia, but today knowing what I know, I think I prefer a Palmar/Trfel lynch today based on the fact that A.) everyone seems perfectly fine with a Kelsier lynch (including mafia) and B.) 1-Shot Cop + 2-Shot Tracker + 2 masons seems super OP for town. I'm thinking the masons are fake, Vivax is some sort of protective role and we're instead dealing with 1-Shot Cop, 2-Shot Tracker, Jailer/Medic. ##Vote: Palmar There is no medic. Vivax can only be a jailer. Why did you track Vivax? | ||
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On September 01 2015 23:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2015 23:21 justanothertownie wrote: On September 01 2015 22:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm a 2-shot Tracker, on N1 I tracked Marv to decon which checked out when marv claimed and last night I tracked Vivax to JAT. I tracked Marv because I figured on N1 when mafia had 2kp, that would be the night marv would be carrying KP if he were mafia, so I YOLO'd and checked him instead of someone I was suspicious of. So now I'm at a crossroads. Vivax has claimed a blue role, and I have him visiting JAT and JAT not dying. So he could be a mafia role or a blue role, but he's something because he visited JAT. I'm not sure where I stand with Kelsier. Last night I was about certain he was mafia, but today knowing what I know, I think I prefer a Palmar/Trfel lynch today based on the fact that A.) everyone seems perfectly fine with a Kelsier lynch (including mafia) and B.) 1-Shot Cop + 2-Shot Tracker + 2 masons seems super OP for town. I'm thinking the masons are fake, Vivax is some sort of protective role and we're instead dealing with 1-Shot Cop, 2-Shot Tracker, Jailer/Medic. ##Vote: Palmar There is no medic. Vivax can only be a jailer. Why did you track Vivax? Because he claimed blue so I wanted to see if he was carrying KP for his team. Evidently he was not. So he's either not mafia or a mafia role who was not carrying KP, take your pick. I prefer the former because if I were mafia and I had a role, I'd be carrying the KP to minimize exposure to the team. Maybe I'm biased because I'm a tracker so I'm considering trackers in my play, but it just seems logical that if Vivax is mafia who has claimed blue, that he'd be carrying KP - and he wasn't. That does not make sense to me. If Vivax is claiming blue then why would he carry KP? If he is tracked to 2 targets he is confirmed mafia. Either way I am not lynching into the masons today. No chance. | ||
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On September 01 2015 23:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2015 23:27 justanothertownie wrote: VE you should really have waited for Vivax claim if you are town He wasn't going to claim! Look at his posts! Then you should have forced him to. | ||
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On September 01 2015 23:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2015 23:34 justanothertownie wrote: I don't know but this way we can't catch him in a lie and it sucks. I find it highly suspicious how all those claims are coming now that the game is easy to solve if the masons are real. The masons were never real, they were never even believable. Palmar doesn't announce that he's a mason with someone on D1 the way he did on D1 with the Trfel Townread of Total Failure. Palmar fucking LYNCHES D1 claims, there's literally NO WAY as mason he as good as claims mason with Trfel on D1. He did not claim and the whole play doesn't make much sense as mafia either. I am not lynching them today unless you give me something way more convincing than this. To me it looks like we are lynching the scummiest guy outside the blues and see who mafia nightkills. | ||
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On September 02 2015 00:42 Palmar wrote: I'm trying to think what this means. This basically means that VE cannot be scum and Vivax town. Because Vivax would immediately call him out on it. The only possible options here are: VE Scum, Vivax Scum VE Town, Vivax Town VE Town, Vivax Scum It's not like I didn't tell you already.... and no moosy, vivax flipping mafia does not confirm ve as mafia but at least we would have lynched scum | ||
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On September 02 2015 00:50 KelsierSC wrote: Think I want to lynch moosy Is this some sort of elaborate scumclaim? On September 02 2015 00:43 Palmar wrote: In any case, I think we lynch Vivax today. Unless you believe in a world with 5 blue roles he should be confirmed mafia to you. | ||
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On September 02 2015 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2015 00:31 Palmar wrote: VE if you're town (which seems unlikely at this point) go read what Trfel posted from the QT. Look at my super cocky attitude regarding defending Trfel throughout the game. You KNOW this is the most Palmar thing in the world. Like I'm genuinely being an asshole with the extra information I have. Hell, I derided you so much for it when I was forcing you to re-evaluate your reads. Also, Marv died calling me town and defending me. That should count for something. "Plz VE, go read my painstakingly faked logs so they're good for something! I play like an asshole regardless of alignment but THIS game it makes me town! And lest we forget, I killed marv while he was reading me town!" Plz Palmar, you act like this is my first game or something. Also marv was starting to come around on you, so nice try. All marv did was saying he isn't very confident in his reads in general. There was no coming around. | ||
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On September 02 2015 01:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2015 01:47 justanothertownie wrote: But I still think Vivax is the correct lynch here for the reasons I stated. If he is town we lynch the masons tomorrow and the day after that and definitely reach a final 3. I think I can roll with this. Who's your best guess on their partner in the case that Vivax is town? I would have to think about this but I really don't want to without seeing the flip. | ||
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On September 02 2015 01:53 Palmar wrote: also here is a thing: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24788685 read the replies. In hindsight it's a hilarious passage. Let me paint a picture. 4 English gentlemen sit in a burning house and sip their tea. "aye chaps the house is on fire, someone ought to do something about that" "absolutely my good sir" "we must act at once!" "hear hear" And then they continue sipping tea. ahahaha | ||
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On September 02 2015 02:02 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Look, I'm considering the game most likely solved right now. You seem to disagree. I'd like to know why you are not convinced.On September 01 2015 21:24 justanothertownie wrote: Today Palmar and Trfel need to find the mafia in there and I will sheep. They have at least a 50:50 chance of hitting randomly in the group of 4 (that's if deconduo was framed/is gf - if he is town then it is 75 %). If they do not manage to do this we have a problem and they suck. Look. Explain to me how it is solved or what's the point of this post. | ||
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On September 02 2015 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote: We're never lynching VE. Ever. I will be very sad if you successfully pocketed me day1. But I guess that is only fair and I can't read you anyways. | ||
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On September 02 2015 02:09 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I've already done so.On September 02 2015 02:03 justanothertownie wrote: On September 02 2015 02:02 Trfel wrote: On September 01 2015 21:24 justanothertownie wrote: Look, I'm considering the game most likely solved right now. You seem to disagree. I'd like to know why you are not convinced.Today Palmar and Trfel need to find the mafia in there and I will sheep. They have at least a 50:50 chance of hitting randomly in the group of 4 (that's if deconduo was framed/is gf - if he is town then it is 75 %). If they do not manage to do this we have a problem and they suck. Look. Explain to me how it is solved or what's the point of this post. It's perfectly acceptable if you disagree, I'd just like to know why. KelsierSC and deconduo Vivax (plus Palmar's point, which is very good) I suppose it's possible that VisceraEyes is also mafia, but I sort of don't think so. And either way, I see three mafia in a group of four people, so that basically means the game is solved. At worst, it's three mafia in five people if you include MoosyDoosy, so if town agrees to not lynch myself and Palmar in LYLO that's an auto-win. But just finding one town makes the game solved without that. Yes, it is nice that you just repeated what I said. I don't see your problem. That's not a solved game though. If you are town Vivax is almost certainly mafia but we will still have to find the 2 between Moosy, KSC, VE and deconduo. Which like you said means we need to find 1 townie in there. | ||
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On September 02 2015 02:22 Trfel wrote: Look at KelsierSC's last three posts. He knows that most people are calling him confirmed mafia, but he posts like that? I simply cannot see this coming from town at all. Can anyone see town playing like this? If not, I don't see why we should lynch anyone but KelsierSC, I'd rather take the confirmed mafia lynch. Yes, it is scummy. But the confirmed mafia lynch from your perspective is Vivax dude. | ||
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If Vivax is town we lynch the masons back to back and get to a final 3. Lynching Vivax is the mechanically correct play here. | ||
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On September 02 2015 02:31 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I'm more confident in KelsierSC flipping mafia, actually.... I can see the possibility that Vivax and VisceraEyes are both town (very unlikely, but I can see it). Not explaining why at this time.On September 02 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote: On September 02 2015 02:22 Trfel wrote: Look at KelsierSC's last three posts. He knows that most people are calling him confirmed mafia, but he posts like that? I simply cannot see this coming from town at all. Can anyone see town playing like this? If not, I don't see why we should lynch anyone but KelsierSC, I'd rather take the confirmed mafia lynch. Yes, it is scummy. But the confirmed mafia lynch from your perspective is Vivax dude. You will have to explain this rather soon. Not that I think that this will ever change my mind. You can lynch Kelsier once Vivax flips scum. | ||
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On September 02 2015 02:38 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + First, why does Vivax flipping mafia make you confirmed town? (not criticizing, I just don't know what you're getting at?)On September 02 2015 02:33 justanothertownie wrote: I don't think I will allow a lynch on anyone but Vivax barring a towny miracle from his side. If he is mafia we are in a great spot because I will be confirmed town and the masons most likely (and even if they aren't they need to survive at least 2 nights). So mafia either has to show face by killing them (probably after me) or kill unconfirmed people solving the game for the masons. If Vivax is town we lynch the masons back to back and get to a final 3. Lynching Vivax is the mechanically correct play here. Also, I guess that makes sense, mostly, anyway. Well unless you think the mafiateam is exactly VE, Vivax and me this would make me confirmed town, no? Do you think that's very likely? No. | ||
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On September 02 2015 02:39 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2015 02:36 justanothertownie wrote: On September 02 2015 02:31 Trfel wrote: On September 02 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote: I'm more confident in KelsierSC flipping mafia, actually.... I can see the possibility that Vivax and VisceraEyes are both town (very unlikely, but I can see it). Not explaining why at this time.On September 02 2015 02:22 Trfel wrote: Look at KelsierSC's last three posts. He knows that most people are calling him confirmed mafia, but he posts like that? I simply cannot see this coming from town at all. Can anyone see town playing like this? If not, I don't see why we should lynch anyone but KelsierSC, I'd rather take the confirmed mafia lynch. Yes, it is scummy. But the confirmed mafia lynch from your perspective is Vivax dude. You will have to explain this rather soon. Not that I think that this will ever change my mind. You can lynch Kelsier once Vivax flips scum. And if Mr. Cheesecake is mafia, I'm fine to lose. That's just far too unlikely. Maybe you are but I am not and I also don't know why you would be. | ||
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On September 02 2015 04:50 deconduo wrote: So today has been interesting to say the least. It seems impossible for Vivax to be town. He would almost have to be a jailkeeper, and JAT just seems like an unlikely target either for a RB or a protect. If he does actually flip town, then we have 2 easy lynches lined up in Trfel and Palmar. I don't see any good reason not to lynch Vivax and work from there. ##Vote: Vivax More to follow in a bit. That's a long bit... | ||
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On September 02 2015 18:31 Palmar wrote: For future reference. When Vivax flips scum and confirms me town, I also think VE is 100% lock mafia. Vivax/VE/Kelsier is a possibility but 100 %? We will see. If VE is mafia with Vivax they screwed themselves over with their claims. If you assume mafia plays optimally (which we shouldn't necessarily but it is a thing to keep in mind) then VE cannot be mafia with Vivax. The fact that there is NOTHING coming from Vivax is a good sign. And Trfel I expect you to reveal your reasons for a possible world with VE and Vivax as town with enough time left in the day. If you retract your mason claim I will lynch the shit out of you regardless of your alignment. | ||
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It is wednesday so it is not unlikely that I won't be around for the flip. Maybe I will be back by then, maybe not. Lynch Vivax unless the masons retract their claim in which case lynch them. | ||
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On September 03 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2015 03:06 justanothertownie wrote: Why are they masons though? Doesn't 4 blues seem too much for you? Cause there aren't 4 mafia doofus VE, Palmar and Trfel makes 3. | ||
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On September 03 2015 03:08 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2015 03:07 justanothertownie wrote: Look Vivax, it doesn't make much sense to do what VE did as mafia. You will be lynched. It keeps Kelsier alive, so it MAKES sense. I'm either PGO or veteran and if Kelsier is the roleblocker they can kill me at night. If they wanted to keep ksc alive he would probably just have played the game. But maybe they want to keep you alive because youvisited me and therefore are a role? | ||
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On September 03 2015 03:18 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2015 03:11 justanothertownie wrote: On September 03 2015 03:08 Vivax wrote: On September 03 2015 03:07 justanothertownie wrote: Look Vivax, it doesn't make much sense to do what VE did as mafia. You will be lynched. It keeps Kelsier alive, so it MAKES sense. I'm either PGO or veteran and if Kelsier is the roleblocker they can kill me at night. If they wanted to keep ksc alive he would probably just have played the game. But maybe they want to keep you alive because youvisited me and therefore are a role? Ok then compare how VE and Kelsier have been playing and I have been playing during the last day before Kelsier claimed scum. That alone points to me being town and them not being. As far as I am concerned you 3 could be the scumteam. If you flip town we lynch VE and kelsier after you if you want. | ||
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On September 03 2015 03:19 Vivax wrote: Tomorrow it's lylo if you lynch me and I am the most logical kill for mafia if you kill Kelsier, and I actually manage to stay alive if he's the roleblocker. It's NOT the most mechanical play to lynch me. Yes, it is. And mafia will bever ever kill you in a million years. You will always be a question mark and you need to die now. | ||
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On September 03 2015 03:28 deconduo wrote: Hmm unless kelsier is mafia vig. That seems unlikely though. Then he would play the fucking game, don't you think? | ||
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On September 03 2015 03:30 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2015 03:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Vivax if you are town you have nobody to blame but yourself. I specifically ASKED you to fully claim earlier in the day, but instead you chose the option of keeping it a secret for no reason. This gives me little cause to believe your blue claim, and you will die for it. Should you flip town, VE is confirmed mafia. Then, Kelsier dies. Then it's still final 3. I have a very good reason to keep my role a secret. It leaves mafia in the dark whether I'm just a PGO or a veteran who took bribes. It actually doesn't matter at all since they will never shoot you. | ||
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On September 03 2015 03:36 MoosyDoosy wrote: JAT want to just lynch Kels today? Lynching into either camp is great but I think it's better to nab someone who's basically claimed Mafia. No. Vivax hasn't tried to solve the game all day and now he is just trying to survive and fearmongering. | ||
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On September 03 2015 07:35 deconduo wrote: Random thoughts. Vivax post mortem: Tried to push the lynch away from JAT onto trfel Went after WoS for changing from a townread on CC to a scumread Tried to push the lynch off the inactives (BF and hopeless) onto trfel. Did not mention VE at all until today. In general pushed trfel, palmar, CC, kelsier. Overall reflects reasonably well on CC, Vivax seemed happy enough to have him lynched. Slight FOS on JAT for Vivax trying to lead the initial wagon away from him. Kelsier: No reason not to lynch him tomorrow, has all but claimed mafia at this point. VE: Almost certainly the last scum. Cop + Tracker + 2 masons just seems very townsided. Also this: Show nested quote + On September 01 2015 23:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he claimed blue so I wanted to see if he was carrying KP for his team. Vivax only claimed blue after the day post. VE could not have known Vivax was a blue when he decided to track him. Moosy: His play has been erratic, but his one post at the start of the game made me peg him as town. Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 11:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: whew, i thought DMLE Investigator was a role and started shitting my pants until I re-looked over the OP and saw it was VT in this game. I also had the same thing go through my head when I got my role PM. Seems unlikely that he could come up with this reaction as mafia. JAT/CC: In the unlikely event it does come down to lynching between these two, I'd lean towards JAT being scum over CC. Mainly due to Vivax's play as mentioned above. Without me this mafia lynch would never have happened you clown. | ||
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On September 03 2015 08:13 Trfel wrote: Can we lynch justanothertownie first? Just for fun? Maybe I should lynch you now just to be sure. | ||
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On September 03 2015 07:05 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 06:43 rsoultin wrote: town vivax - tangentially aggressive/not his scum game KelsierSC is mafia. If Kelsier is also mafia I should just stop giving credit to her tonereads (I never townread Vivax or Kelsier this game). Wrong on Vivax, Kelsier, Trfel and myself in the beginning. | ||
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On September 04 2015 05:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I pretty much refuse to believe that KSC AS MAFIA comes in and last minute votes like that. It's not like he's expressly going to be killed right? He'll get warned for inactivity like ^that^. So why come in and "claim mafia" or whatever if he's mafia? #prologics #lynchPalmar #townwins Yeah, no. ^^ | ||
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You will not even consider lynching one of the masons tomorrow. Not only are they likely town in general because of their play and how Vivax tried to lynch both of them at some point, it is also the objectively wrong play. If you lynch mafia tomorrow they become confirmed town and the game is nearly solved (this is why it is incredibly important to be right tomorrow). If you mislynch tomorrow then you can reconsider but even then I doubt they are mafia. KSC is most likely mafia because I don't believe he is this shit as town. He would be my #1 lynch probably. VE is a likely third mafia but I am not as sure on him as I am on KSC. | ||
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On September 04 2015 06:15 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2015 06:13 justanothertownie wrote: Since I am the obvious kill unless mafia wants to show face by shooting a mason: You will not even consider lynching one of the masons tomorrow. Not only are they likely town in general because of their play and how Vivax tried to lynch both of them at some point, it is also the objectively wrong play. If you lynch mafia tomorrow they become confirmed town and the game is nearly solved (this is why it is incredibly important to be right tomorrow). If you mislynch tomorrow then you can reconsider but even then I doubt they are mafia. KSC is most likely mafia because I don't believe he is this shit as town. He would be my #1 lynch probably. VE is a likely third mafia but I am not as sure on him as I am on KSC. Nah. they are gonna kill Palmar. Doesn't matter anyway though, this game is over. Then they are stupid. Not that I wouldn't be fine with that. | ||
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On September 04 2015 18:43 KelsierSC wrote: Hmm don't know who to lynch. Maybe moosy Pathetic. | ||
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First of all Palmar obviously would have gone ham about lynching VE which is a good reason to shoot him. Of course you can say that mafia could frame him this way. But additionally - I am confirmed town if VE is town, right? So why would a mafia team that does not include VE shoot the guy that wants to lynch VE the most and is NOT confirmed town over the guy that's not as sure and IS confirmed town? It doesn't make much sense to do that. Not shooting me only makes sense if VE is mafia which means I won't be confirmed once he flips down the line and on top of that they might have thought that me waffling about lynching him means that he could convince me not to in some way. Which he won't. The next 2 lynches will almost 100 % be VE and Kelsier. We just need to see in which order. | ||
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You can call my logic shit all you want. Explain why it doesn't make sense or I will just treat this as background noise. And if you can show me why Kelsier would play like this as town then I might entertain listening to you on him. But I am pretty damn sure you can't. | ||
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On September 04 2015 23:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't show you why he would, but I don't have to tell you that he can and has. If he flips town I am lynching you for tmi :/ When has he ever done this? How do you know he is doing this right now? Who is even mafia in your opinion? | ||
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On September 04 2015 23:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2015 23:35 justanothertownie wrote: On September 04 2015 23:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't show you why he would, but I don't have to tell you that he can and has. If he flips town I am lynching you for tmi :/ When has he ever done this? How do you know he is doing this right now? Who is even mafia in your opinion? YEA ITS TOTALLY OKAY WHEN I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND DEFEND YOU AGAINST PALMAR ON DAY FUCKING ONE, BUT HERE AT THE END OF FUCKING TIMES, HAVING A READ ON SOMEONE IS TMI OKAY JAT I said the same when you were townreading me day1. I did not townread you for that. | ||
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On September 04 2015 23:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote: If you are town all you are doing right now is ranting at a confirmed townie instead of disproving his logic. No logic to disprove. If you say so. Who is mafia and why? | ||
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On September 04 2015 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I know how this looks JAT which is why I'm not trying very hard. There's nothing to be done. KSC /is/ going to be lynched, and regardless of his alignment, I'm going to be lynched next. You've said as much yourself without prompting. It's fucking game over for town. Well, if you 2 were town you would probably play the game and the situation wouldn't be like it is now in the first place. Nobody is stopping you 2 from playing the game and trying to convince people. | ||
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On September 04 2015 23:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2015 23:45 justanothertownie wrote: Well, if you aren't trying you can't blame me afterwards. If you think Kelsier is town it should not be hard to figure out who is mafia from your position. I will not lynch deconduo before the second mafia flips and we know a little more about their roles. WTF? A little more about their roles?! That doesn't make any fucking sense, no role is going to tell you with any certainty "Oh, so THAT makes DECON the Godfather!" Again, you're just trying to justify not listening to reason. AND THATS FINE! BUT CALL AN APPLE A FUCKING APPLE AND NOT A FUCKING ORANGE JAT. Stop whining. If we lynch someone other than deconduo and that person flips godfather then deconduo is more or less confirmed town. That's the point and it isn't hard to understand. | ||
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On September 04 2015 23:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes, because I'm not in here trying to convince anyone of anything. Whatever you're right I'm mafia. Fucking lynch me instead of KSC, get me out of this circus. If you want me to lynch you (which even though it may be disappointing will probably happen after KSC) then you can keep martyring. If you are town and want to win this game you should probably produce some content as to why Kelsier is town and whoever you think is mafia scum. There aren't even that many people left besides you and KSC that aren't confirmed town to you. | ||
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On September 04 2015 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Look guys VE claimed mafia! And he must be telling the truth because he posted it! Never mind all the other times he posted that he's a town tracker and posted his reads and shit, that's all just noise. He claimed MAFIA THO!!! What's the point? I never said you claimed mafia, I said Kelsier did. And that guy hasn't played the game/given reads since day fucking 1. | ||
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On September 04 2015 23:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2015 23:53 justanothertownie wrote: I am literally telling you that I am willing to listen to your contributions. But instead of contributing you decide to rage and whine instead. /shrug I've given contributions and you've dismissed them summarily. You can shrug all you want, that's a fucking fact. Get down off your high horse and get fucking real. You said Kelsier is town because no mafia would be this obvious without directly claiming scum. I dismissed this because I think it is nonsense, yes. But that's it. | ||
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On September 05 2015 23:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: For the record, I've been mafia with VE when he gets mad and votes himself instead of convincing people of his supposed towniness / arguing who else is mafia. No problem. Unless he starts playing again he is the next lynch anyways | ||
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On September 06 2015 19:20 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2015 19:03 Palmar wrote: VE played quite well for a stretch btw, impressive scumgame. He just got kinda screwed over by everyone randomly deciding to act like a supertownie at some point. Except that his tracker claim murdered me ... Yes, that was bad. But apart from that he played well. Funny thing: I said mafia would be in the group of people defending me or ignoring the push day1. 100 % correct. And I called all of them out for it too. Only VE was so towny besides that I didn't scumread him. | ||
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On September 07 2015 12:19 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2015 04:19 Palmar wrote: On September 06 2015 19:20 Vivax wrote: On September 06 2015 19:03 Palmar wrote: VE played quite well for a stretch btw, impressive scumgame. He just got kinda screwed over by everyone randomly deciding to act like a supertownie at some point. Except that his tracker claim murdered me ... I think I would have gotten you lynched anyway. The idea of Trfel being mafia was stuck in CC's head at the time, me being blue would have allowed me to push the fear that you and Trfel were mafia doing a play after KSC would have been lynched. I would further have pushed that notion by pointing out how you pushed me on that day instead of lynching the claimed scum KSC. What lost us the game is that we couldn't just proceed to lynch KSC and go on with the rest, me having claimed blue (either PGO or veteran) and VE doing something else, cause VE claimed tracker in his attempt to lynch Palmar and save KSC, but fact of the matter is that it ended up completely messing up my own plans mentioned above. I felt backstabbed by VE there cause I didn't see it coming. 0 chance that one of the masons would have gotten lynched before LYLO as long as I was alive. | ||
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On September 07 2015 18:05 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2015 12:19 Vivax wrote: On September 07 2015 04:19 Palmar wrote: On September 06 2015 19:20 Vivax wrote: On September 06 2015 19:03 Palmar wrote: VE played quite well for a stretch btw, impressive scumgame. He just got kinda screwed over by everyone randomly deciding to act like a supertownie at some point. Except that his tracker claim murdered me ... I think I would have gotten you lynched anyway. The idea of Trfel being mafia was stuck in CC's head at the time, me being blue would have allowed me to push the fear that you and Trfel were mafia doing a play after KSC would have been lynched. I would further have pushed that notion by pointing out how you pushed me on that day instead of lynching the claimed scum KSC. What lost us the game is that we couldn't just proceed to lynch KSC and go on with the rest, me having claimed blue (either PGO or veteran) and VE doing something else, cause VE claimed tracker in his attempt to lynch Palmar and save KSC, but fact of the matter is that it ended up completely messing up my own plans mentioned above. I felt backstabbed by VE there cause I didn't see it coming. Still. I don't know how much you value my persuasive abilities, but I would have yelled and screamed to get you lynched (over KSC) that day. Maybe I'd have failed, who knows. But I was coming after you. Bro, I had to tell you that Vivax was confirmed mafia from your pov :p | ||
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On September 07 2015 18:20 marvellosity wrote: I'm so glad VE was mafia l a z y m o f o Seriously. One post making fun of our hopeless lynch after day2. For shame... | ||
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But seriously the n1 kills were questionable. No offense to WoS/rsoul but there would have been much better kills. | ||
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On September 07 2015 22:15 Palmar wrote: I thought the rsoul kill was very good. She was universally townread. She was harddefending all 3 mafia though. | ||
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On September 07 2015 23:03 marvellosity wrote: who cares like people don't re-evaluate after n1? edit: she definitely wasn't "hard defending" vivax either Yes, she absolutely was. Wait let me get the quote. On August 29 2015 06:55 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 06:53 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote: On August 29 2015 06:47 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 06:43 rsoultin wrote: so, ye, shitty lazy rsoul reads post incoming strong town marv - lock town (don't care about you wafflers) town vivax - tangentially aggressive/not his scum game palmar - too similar d1 thoughts wave - disorganized/not his scum game town leans ve - anger/aggression/frustration says town ve jat - irritating but his play has the "jattyness" i didn't see earlier ksc - scum game is worse than this moosy - chaotic/tone says town poe condor - more likely scum if hopeless is town than if hopeless is scum? almost want to punt him up into town leans though hopeless - could just be awful though trfel - so...yeah. fuck this shit like...it feels like he's deliberately avoiding me in thread and i just came to the very uncomfortable conclusion that i'm actually more sure of at least 4 players than i am of him, which should never happen if he's town and actually playing CC - gut scumread...there's a disconnect somewhere...i'll figure out what it is eventually tldr: condor could be town actually maybe and i think truffle may actually be scum and i've just been stupid an entire day phase and jat's gonna end up crowing end game and i hate you jat -_- Quite a few surprises in here. Besides the obvious: What makes you think Wave is disorganized and why do you think he couldn't fake that as scum? How would you characterize Vivax scumgame? How can you say Kelsiers scumgame is worse than this when he just played a very good scumgame? - i think he could fake it as scum but he doesn't, and it feels like he's approached this game very naturally instead of with the purpose and deliberateness i'd expect and have seen in his scum games - vivax's scumgame is awful, boring, and not terribly aggressive (i.e. not this) - he didn't - I think you are overestimating WoS scumgame but fair enough. - I would argue he has been boring and not terribly aggressive for most of this game at least. - If you say so. - it's a toneread so :/ it's possible but i feel good about it - this is more than a toneread and i'd fight with people trying to lynch viva, straight up...it's partially how he does his own shit Right before deadline. | ||
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On September 07 2015 23:57 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2015 23:05 justanothertownie wrote: On September 07 2015 23:03 marvellosity wrote: who cares like people don't re-evaluate after n1? edit: she definitely wasn't "hard defending" vivax either Yes, she absolutely was. Wait let me get the quote. On August 29 2015 06:55 rsoultin wrote: On August 29 2015 06:53 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote: On August 29 2015 06:47 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 06:43 rsoultin wrote: so, ye, shitty lazy rsoul reads post incoming strong town marv - lock town (don't care about you wafflers) town vivax - tangentially aggressive/not his scum game palmar - too similar d1 thoughts wave - disorganized/not his scum game town leans ve - anger/aggression/frustration says town ve jat - irritating but his play has the "jattyness" i didn't see earlier ksc - scum game is worse than this moosy - chaotic/tone says town poe condor - more likely scum if hopeless is town than if hopeless is scum? almost want to punt him up into town leans though hopeless - could just be awful though trfel - so...yeah. fuck this shit like...it feels like he's deliberately avoiding me in thread and i just came to the very uncomfortable conclusion that i'm actually more sure of at least 4 players than i am of him, which should never happen if he's town and actually playing CC - gut scumread...there's a disconnect somewhere...i'll figure out what it is eventually tldr: condor could be town actually maybe and i think truffle may actually be scum and i've just been stupid an entire day phase and jat's gonna end up crowing end game and i hate you jat -_- Quite a few surprises in here. Besides the obvious: What makes you think Wave is disorganized and why do you think he couldn't fake that as scum? How would you characterize Vivax scumgame? How can you say Kelsiers scumgame is worse than this when he just played a very good scumgame? - i think he could fake it as scum but he doesn't, and it feels like he's approached this game very naturally instead of with the purpose and deliberateness i'd expect and have seen in his scum games - vivax's scumgame is awful, boring, and not terribly aggressive (i.e. not this) - he didn't - I think you are overestimating WoS scumgame but fair enough. - I would argue he has been boring and not terribly aggressive for most of this game at least. - If you say so. - it's a toneread so :/ it's possible but i feel good about it - this is more than a toneread and i'd fight with people trying to lynch viva, straight up...it's partially how he does his own shit Right before deadline. eh...one of my (few) strengths is claims? not that y'all needed me at all for that lol >< that i was wrong is clear. the assumption that in a 48 hour period anyone would just keep their reads and never change their mind, though, is short-sighted i think -shrugs- marv and palmar were my strongest reads lol >< and palmar only because i absolutely refuse to consider until proven wrong that my town play lines up with his scum play so neatly...that would be very demoralizing I am not saying you wouldn't have changed your mind but still - why shoot the player on the complete wrong track over those who aren't? Very strange choice to me. :/ Anyways let's keep it at that before people start saying I am bashing your play again. | ||
justanothertownie
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On September 08 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote: well, other people seem to grasp the decision, so the fact you don't understand is your own failure, not anyone else's Or I am just better than you people which is obviously the more likely explanation for it. | ||
justanothertownie
16236 Posts
On September 08 2015 00:36 marvellosity wrote: obviously :D | ||
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