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On September 26 2015 06:25 Cephiro wrote: The first 2 pages of damdred's filter are close to irrelevant compared to all the newer content. He's just as much away as geript is. Damdred is not here trying to argue against his lynch, because he knows he can't. He's clearly more involved in this game than geript is, so geript fucking off is much more understandable. Damdred would be trying his hardest if he believed he still had a chance. But he's not around to do so. So he's just praying that you people stick with geript as this point.
Please believe me and lynch scum with me ;_; True.
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On September 26 2015 06:27 Palmar wrote: like I'm being facetious but still.
I really can't deal with this game for another 72 hours, especially if geript will be alive because I am going to lynch him if he is. There is no way this game ends without me having lynched geript.
It's strictly the correct play to kill him for the reasons I gave earlier. I really hope you are right. Would restore my faith in humanity. At least a little.
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On September 26 2015 06:29 Damdred wrote: Honestly I wish I was lynched today. -.-
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On September 26 2015 06:33 Cephiro wrote: Excuse me as I go weep in a corner. I TRIED. I DID ALL I COULD.
Sorry I wasn't any better, or sorry that you all didn't believe me z_z I am not risking making the wagons 2:2:2 like this no matter if the 2 scummy people are the ones voting me or not. The average iq in this game just increased by a lot.
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On September 26 2015 06:45 Damdred wrote: I'm conflicted cephs posts feel,fake. Why would tougher in a corner if you had a slight to moderate scum lean on geript.
I don't mind his lynch, I did have a tow read so in that regard it sucks but it at least gets the thread back on track.
JAT could you tell me about your read on wile,d1?
No, I already did and I will not be playing this game anymore today. It's midnight already.
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On September 26 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote: Idc if you have already explained. This is mylo we all have to go in depth when asked.
Now please explain your scum read of wile. The resulting switch to a town read what thoughts were town and why it made you eliminate him please. And idc what you want right now. Good night.
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Good talk guys. Impressive effort.
To answer this:
On September 26 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote: Idc if you have already explained. This is mylo we all have to go in depth when asked.
Now please explain your scum read of wile. The resulting switch to a town read what thoughts were town and why it made you eliminate him please. Even though it is fairly obvious and I already did so - I was scumreading/questioning Wile on day1 for things he pushed/said that I disagreed with or that made no sense to me. A few examples out of many:
On September 15 2015 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:55 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 15 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On September 15 2015 07:45 Wile E. Coyote wrote: so no one answered my question. I didnt care that much but it was a free town read and kind of a test Why would you townread someone for giving you information (I assume that's what you are talking about?)? Why are you smurfing if you are new here or do people in this game in fact know you? I never said I was smurfing but I sapose I am. I just have not played here or forum mafia in along time. I even forgot my tl login. People who want to solve the game will include me and try to interact with me, and help me. Mafia who just want my easy mislynch will ignore me as an outsider Or alternatively mafia will give you your information because it is easy to do and looks like they are doing stuff while they actually don't. I just think it is weird to ask slam for his smurf instead of making your own account even if you lost your old one. It also means you knew slam had a smurf in the first place which is weird if you really haven't played here for a long time.
On September 15 2015 21:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 21:20 Palmar wrote:On September 15 2015 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 21:10 Palmar wrote:On September 15 2015 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv is it normal for Palmar to not townread you here? Do you think marv is town? yes i am like 99% sure of it. did you see something I missed? like why? he is actually playing the game instead of being jerk to people. That's not how you read marv. Not that I disagree with your read itself so far. Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:29 Wile E. Coyote wrote: I dont give a shit about your meta. I wanted to see who was cooperative. Anyway I took my medicine back to bed.
can you explain why this is unacceptable? - I did answer this question in detail. Its not right to not care if someones mafia or wrong. Im going to call you out on shit like this thats the kind of person I am its admitting your not playing to win.
can you explain to me what "unacceptable" means exactly with regards to his alignment? I dont know what this qeustion even means but ill try . I said he could say it as town but it is a scummy trait at level 1 not knowing the guy Why do you think it is a scummy trait though? Because it really isn't.
On September 15 2015 21:52 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:50 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Jat I think someone not trying to find scum is a scummy trait thats what geript was doing. I dont know why your trying to argue with me that it is not.
Is this real life? You are calling him mafia for openly admitting it though. And that is generally not what mafia is inclined to do.
On September 16 2015 18:07 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:05 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Its hard not to sheep rayn here. I think he flips way more then 3/13 and if hes town hes vt anyway so im pretty sure hes a great mathematical day 1 lynch, oh and he jumped on my wagon when it was the cool thing to do. ALtho rayn you really gotta work on explaining things How about you explain why you think Moosy is likely mafia instead. If you think it is hard not to sheep rayn you have to understand his argument so the bolded makes 0 sense. Go ahead and explain. There is nothing mathematical about it.
On September 16 2015 18:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:20 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 16 2015 18:16 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 18:12 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Me thinking moosy is scummy is nothing new its in the thread. My top town also agreed at about the same time as me.
And yes math is very important on day 1 lynches. You hit mafia way less on day 1. So voting someone whos probably not a power role and the most likely to me to flip mafia is the easiest vote of my life THERE IS NO MATH HERE. What is rayns argument and why do you think it is sheepworthy? Answer the question instead of sidestepping. theres math in everything you do in life lol? A flow chart is math man. Go read my read list from yesterday. I posted rayn as my top town and moosy as top mafia. Im pretty sure this was before rayn was going after him but I might be wrong. Then rayn calls him out for lying about being mafia. Moosy denies it. I believe my town read over my scum read. Like you im not really following rayns current train of thought but I believe he believes it and thats what matters. you coulda got all that from reading me If you are town you should be interested in rayns thought process instead of blindly sheeping him though. Being town doesn't make him right. Your disinterest in this is at best retarded and at worst really scummy. How on earth does "it is hard not to sheep rayn here" make any fucking sense if you don't even understand what he is saying?
On September 16 2015 18:33 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:32 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 16 2015 18:27 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 18:26 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 16 2015 18:25 justanothertownie wrote:On September 16 2015 18:24 Wile E. Coyote wrote: I explained that. I dont know the meta I have to trust me non meta on a player to decide if their meta reads are valid Rayns stuff on moosy has NOTHING to do with meta. Literally nothing. its about another game... You do not need to know the other game to evaluate his argument which should be obvious since rayn didn't even play in that game. What is this shit? How do you argue about stupid shit like this and wonder why half the game thinks your mafia. Its still meta yes I could read into it more and I still may but I told you im ignoring meta. It isn't meta. Rayn made an argument calling someone mafia for referencing another game. Rayn did NOT play in that game -> he has the same information you have. There is no meta involved.
On September 16 2015 20:12 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:10 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On September 16 2015 19:48 marvellosity wrote:On September 16 2015 18:12 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Me thinking moosy is scummy is nothing new its in the thread. My top town also agreed at about the same time as me.
And yes math is very important on day 1 lynches. You hit mafia way less on day 1. So voting someone whos probably not a power role and the most likely to me to flip mafia is the easiest vote of my life lol can't tell if townie or scummy when i am mafiai am not voting someone that is believed to be vt. Thats for damn sure im going after potential poweroles. I think if theres clear evidence im town its that im voting a claimed vt because i am not terrible. In the format I play protecting power roles is super important and finding them as mafia is even more. I have moosys range as vt/ lying about being vt for cheap newbie town reads. Powerroles are way less important in forum mafia. Mafia will almost never push someone because they think it is a powerrole. It is hard enough to get any kind of mislynch going without giving yourself away. When I reread later in order to find my lynch target (I fully expected him to be it) I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he is just a video mafia player and completely new to forum mafia like he claimed he was. If you read his filter up to that point in the game most of this could maybe be explained by this/it made at least a small amount of sense. Newbies often think things like admitting to not caring about scumhunting or similar stuff is scummy for example. It could also have been possible that he simply didn't understand the point about meta later. It's not like I townread him, I just thought damdred and cephiro were more scummy at that point in time. It's not unlikely that one of them actually is mafia. The really surefire mafia indicators in Wiles play did not exist yet when I backed off of him. The thing damdred tried to clear him for which was actually an ironclad argument for him being mafia instead came when I wasn't around anymore. This is still one of the best posts in the game:
On September 18 2015 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote:On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote:On September 17 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: And Wile is never going to be mafia ffs. Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey. It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him. But I think we lynch jat Why the fuck did people sheep this retarded argument? Wile/SL wasn't even the first one pointing it out. A big chunk of this game was about that shit. Because it is not a retarded argument. Yes, people had already discussed that, but that doesn't make the argument invalid. The argument goes like this wile is reading thread wile reads something and goes "hey, fuck yeah I got this guy" wile reads on realizes that "oh wait, people already talked about it and it's been explained why it's not relevant" The idea is, wile is less likely to be mafia because he was 1) actually reading the thread 2) trying to find things that look off 3) excited when he thought he found something It's not really a complicated concept. It doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be town, but it means he's more likely to be town. On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote: Jats the best lynch probably he doesn't care it seems pushed nothing all day.
See point 3). Blatant lie. Painting this as blatant lie is at best dumb and at worst scummy. He's not even stating a fact, he's stating an opinion. And I agree (although this post comes after you admittedly had started contributing more). I even said as much at least twice in the thread. On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote: I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens. On September 16 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote: JAT could also be mafia. I am actually serious that he could be. There's a lot of argumentative loud people in this game and there is plenty to stuff I talk about. I just get this overall feeling that he's always sort of in the background. Maybe I'm just ignoring his posts but whenever people are talking in the thread (for example this morning) it feels like he is offering way less to the discussion than everyone else who is talking. On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 17 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote: Also his "I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life" post was gold. What was good about that? He clearly missed the point of the post entirely. That was more about the humor value of the post. You even admit it yourself. I HAD done stuff at the point damdred made that post. Therefore it IS a lie. And notice how damdred never ever talks about anything I said all game. He simply does not care, he just wants to lynch me. And to the Wile thing: Moosy was Wiles top mafiaread almost all game right? The thing we are talking about is the main reason why people scumread Moosy before rayn went full retard. And it wasn't a throwaway comment someone made at some point. It was actually said by multiple people and was a big point of discussion. So you are telling me Wile does not know why his top mafiaread is being scumread. The conclusion is that he is either totally disinterested in his top mafiaread or that he is acting. Both heavily point towards him being mafia. And when I found out that this is SL none of the newbie theories were valid any longer anyways so I was pretty convinced that he was mafia.
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I told myself I would read the 3 relevant filters in the ~1.5 hours I sat in the train just now like I did lat week but I barely managed to read Palmars filter in that time window. Will post thoughts later.
Ritoky you really need to get something out there. For example if you still strongly think palmar and cephiro are town then tell us why. Or ask things. Don't be a pussy silently leaving the game without taking any responsibility.
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Palmar:
After reading his filter I have to say it is completely possible that Palmar is mafia. I just don't think it is very likely. Here is why he could be mafia:
His filter is very marv centered. Still he did not figure out that marv is mafia until I pushed that guy. Pretty poor showing if he is town. In general he is defending both flipped mafia at points while not openly calling them town. He doesn't jump on either of the lynches or pushes them before it is clear they will die (he does not push marv until he sees that I am doing it and am convinced about it for example). These posts are all pretty bad:
On September 15 2015 21:41 Palmar wrote: Although it's super tempting to just sheep rayn's townread on marv then blame rayn if marv is scum postgame.
Actually that sounds like a great strategy.
On September 16 2015 20:40 Palmar wrote:He just defended me, which I liked.
On September 16 2015 21:04 Palmar wrote: to be fair marv told me pregame in an unrelated discussion (he is the co-host for the game I'm running) that he'd be mostly unavailable this week.
Like I don't want to townread him based on that as it's unrelated, but I've sort of been looking over the fact that his activity is slightly less than normal.
Also, @marv, do you think jat calling you out makes him mafia?
On September 17 2015 00:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:So Palmar, a few questions: How do those posts compute? You said yourself that marv is FORCED to read you town if you are town. On September 16 2015 04:47 Palmar wrote: Like even when he's mafia he will generally be right on a lot of things. For example my alignment, rayn's too.
Like if marv thinks me/rayn are town, we should never ever ever be lynched unless you believe it's a scum/scum situation. On September 16 2015 20:40 Palmar wrote:On September 16 2015 20:35 Koshi wrote: Palmar, want to lynch marv? He just defended me, which I liked. Do you think marvs reaction to me was a townmarv reaction? Like, you are good at this shit. Do you think townmarv would just -shrug- and let it slide? Do you think it is a townmarv reaction to instantly OMGUS myself instead of calling it weird when I push him for it? I don't like how he immediately felt the need to call me mafia for it. That's not what he usually does. Yes he will defend me when I'm town. This is irrelevant of his own alignment. In general if he doesn't look like obvious mafia and is actually defending me I'm more than willing to give him a chance to be right/useful for the day. So yes, him defending me doesn't mean he's town, but it also means he's doing the right thing and he even gave the right reasons (cited my overall tone if I recall correctly, which marv has told me multiple times is a very important factor in how he reads me. I apparently just sound like mafia when I'm mafia). I think you're mafia so I'm biased. Yes I think it's completely reasonable of marv to call you mafia. I don't think there is any reason to call him one. Koshi is sort of excused because he's bad, but why you tried to ride that train too I don't know. Also, why are you asking me to explain things that should be obvious. There is no contradiction in the statements above, you're just trying to present them as one. I'd call you 100% mafia for it if it wasn't apparenly something you do (see trfel question last game, this is comparable). He is pushing the lynch away from Wile by sheeping damdreds awful argument about him. But I can see a townPalmar believing it is good. This post is pretty bad though - of course it makes a difference that it is SL:
On September 17 2015 20:20 Palmar wrote: I have no idea btw why the read on him would go 180 based on nothing but his identity. I sort of understand why rayn would think it does (rayn has stronger opinions than your average jihadist), but I don't like the fact that people seem to be eating that stuff up.
marv you said "he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt". No benefit was given to him. The damdred point was about the genuine-ness of his reactions to reading the thread. There was no benefit of the doubt involved.
I'm going to try to get opinions out into the thread throughout today. Still defending mafia without calling them town.
Most of his geript push which is more or less the only thing he pushed after the 2 mafia lynches seems reasonable to me but this post still doesn't make sense:
On September 21 2015 18:51 Palmar wrote: About the geript thing and why it bothers me so much.
I like geript, and I think he's a nice, reasonable guy. In order for him to blow up on ceph like that because of real life stress, he has to be far more emotional than I think he is. Like I talk to geript on ts, play with him here and stuff, and it's just way out of his character range. Like if geript was really (and I believe he was) stressed out by his rl, the attitude I would have thought he brought to the game is more in the lieu of:
"dude.... please. Just back the fuck off. rl is shit and I don't have the willpower to argue with your shit right now so just stop it please"
Instead of the caps lock (it was caps, right?) tirade he went on.
Maybe I just don't know geript. But it seemed excessive.
I have no idea why anyone would expect geript to react like this. I personally have never seen him do this but I have seen him rage in a very unwarranted manner countless times.
This is also somewhat weird:
On September 24 2015 17:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote: So for why Palmar is town.
When Marv/Palmar are mafia together, I've always seen them confirm each other and work to utilize their thread capability with each other. You know, they use their names and ability to push to get people lynched; often they'll push two people and consolidate on one. It's basically how Marv operates with any vet who can control a thread in the slightest. This is semi-true. Generally marv figures out my alignment (especially when I'm being useful like this game). I sometimes figure him out (and I have been trying lately to be less waffly), but most of the time (I think) I waffle on him for a long time until we lynch mafia together. Like historically that has been the point where I start trusting marv. Because it isn't true at all. Lynching mafia in my experience hasn't been the reason Palmar townread marv in ages. They were perfectly able to strongly townread each other without any dead mafia before. It's also not true that lynching mafia makes marv town or that lynching town would make him mafia.
Then there is this weird/unwarranted defense of damdred that he kept up for basically the whole game. But I don't really think it makes him mafia.
Now on to what I think is towny.
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You played well cephiro. Don't beat yourself up over this.
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You made the correct nightkill Palmar. Well played.
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On September 29 2015 06:32 justanothertownie wrote: You made the correct nightkill Palmar. Well played. ^ People should have really considered this way more strongly btw. - there is no reason for cephiro to kill me there.
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On September 29 2015 06:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 06:32 justanothertownie wrote: You made the correct nightkill Palmar. Well played. not posting the town part was a dick move though lol I had like 3 mehish points I would have posted. The nightkill changed my mind.
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On September 29 2015 06:33 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 06:32 Cephiro wrote: Also sorry if I'm being overly hostile, I'm just really disappointed right now. You all tried your best. your sudden shift from extreme on damdred to extreme on palmar shoved me really far away....i just couldn't grasp it. Palmar did not leave him a choice. He wasn't reevaluating anything and just pushed cephiro without caring. He didn't consider damdred at all.
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On September 29 2015 06:35 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 06:34 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2015 06:32 justanothertownie wrote: You made the correct nightkill Palmar. Well played. ^ People should have really considered this way more strongly btw. - there is no reason for cephiro to kill me there. yes there is. i had been town shielding him all game and you were more likely to consider lynching him than me if he assumed i was just going to keep the same reads. Absolutely not. His posts eod when geript died made him my strongest townread in the game.
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On September 29 2015 06:38 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 06:36 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2015 06:33 ritoky wrote:On September 29 2015 06:32 Cephiro wrote: Also sorry if I'm being overly hostile, I'm just really disappointed right now. You all tried your best. your sudden shift from extreme on damdred to extreme on palmar shoved me really far away....i just couldn't grasp it. Palmar did not leave him a choice. He wasn't reevaluating anything and just pushed cephiro without caring. He didn't consider damdred at all. I was 100% gonna consider it, but I was counting on cephiro to come in earlier. Sure, you could have. But you didn't and as town you would have.
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On September 29 2015 06:39 deconduo wrote: Thanks for playing everyone, and thanks to Kelsier for helping host. I'd appreciate any feedback on the setup, hosting etc.
I think this might have been a slightly town-sided setup, though the fact that the masons are not confirmed does offset that a bit. No, the setup was fair. Not town-sided at all without townfirmed masons.
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On September 29 2015 06:42 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 06:39 deconduo wrote: Thanks for playing everyone, and thanks to Kelsier for helping host. I'd appreciate any feedback on the setup, hosting etc.
I think this might have been a slightly town-sided setup, though the fact that the masons are not confirmed does offset that a bit. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAYeah it was townfavored to the max. To balance it town needed at least a 2 shot vigi, scum RB should have been removed, town should have gotten a real cop and after D1 you should have killed the 3 people with the highest amount of votes on them. Please speak to Artanis, Blazinghand and HalfTheSky in the future when you host again. lol
But for reals there was tracker hate, the tracker had limited shots and a vigi can go either way (hurt us badly in this case because he cost us a mislynch). Masons who aren't confirmed to each other are pretty much useless. There is nothing town-sided about this setup.
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Well, shouldn't have lynched geript (even though lynching damdred might have been even worse because geript in LYLO would be a nightmare) should have figured Palmar out while I was still alive. Otherwise I am very happy with my play this game.
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