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Hi.
I've got plans for today. If scum shoots me, we'll all be super happy anyway.
I guess Damdred is just town. Which leaves me to a POE list of Fecalfeast, disformation, and Onegu.
There's quite likely at least one hole in my POE list, some of the points raised against ritoky were pretty good.
I'll take a look this evening, hopefully.
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On November 22 2015 01:44 Trfel wrote: Hi.
I've got plans for today. If scum shoots me, we'll all be super happy anyway.
I guess Damdred is just town. Which leaves me to a POE list of Fecalfeast, disformation, and Onegu.
There's quite likely at least one hole in my POE list, some of the points raised against ritoky were pretty good.
I'll take a look this evening, hopefully.
Yeah, I too feel like I have overlooked something somewhere. But currently I am not seeing it.
@MD: If you had a second shot, who would you shoot right now?
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I'm here but will be afkish until after deadline tbh.
if I was scum I would shoot me today then finish me tommorow so I wasn't in lylo with them!
LOL
Mages is a bit odd, his play in general has been pretty towny looking. But the eod is a bit odd, he did start actually pushing trfel on a counter wagon even though I suggested it but he didn't really push that hard either.
Maybe because I was pushing against a trfel lynch. There could be something there but I need to reread him again.
ALSO town points for anyone who will do leg work to look who auto accepted my claim as vet, ignored it and those who were like has to be not true.
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On November 22 2015 02:10 Damdred wrote: I'm here but will be afkish until after deadline tbh.
if I was scum I would shoot me today then finish me tommorow so I wasn't in lylo with them!
LOL
Mages is a bit odd, his play in general has been pretty towny looking. But the eod is a bit odd, he did start actually pushing trfel on a counter wagon even though I suggested it but he didn't really push that hard either.
Maybe because I was pushing against a trfel lynch. There could be something there but I need to reread him again.
ALSO town points for anyone who will do leg work to look who auto accepted my claim as vet, ignored it and those who were like has to be not true.
YOUR claim as vet or your slots claim as a vet? Got like 30-40mins before I go, might manage that.
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Well your slots claim makes more sense to me. Let us see if I can get it done.
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1) Farah hard claiming blue: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=53#1045
NM: "This doesn't feel right." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=53#1049
On November 19 2015 07:00 NocturneMage wrote: given timing, I think she's trying to draw out a blue folks. This is something I learnt in newbie 13/14 anyhow. Discuss.
On November 19 2015 08:07 NocturneMage wrote:on mobile. this is beyond irritating. Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 07:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Read what I wrote and apply it. Information is king withholding information when you are a glorified vt now is anti-town especially the leathery out wait the more mafia can mess with town. no. this is not entirely true. I learnt in nsm14 (the host in the qt mentioned this, unless people here want to say rsoultin is a bad player but somehow I don't think that's the case???) that wifom analysis is powerful. if you are scum and you find a blue, it gives it an easier way for scum to hide because killing blues generally means there's no excuse for certain people to live or not. additionally the real vet isn't going to claim with 46 hours left in the cycle, piss off, come back and keep saying never lynch an uncounterclaimed blue. you aren't finding scum and your methods don't push town agenda forward in any form. additionally in a best case scenario town can find the roleblocker first and an unclaimed veteran represents currently a 14% chance of stopping kp. unless I've fucked up analysis - I find no town motivation for the way you've approached this. I find enough justification for lynching you. answer me this farah - why did you claim with 46 hours left (an hour ago) in the cycle and why aren't you finding scum? in your method you wanted to know fecalfeast was vig or not, he said he wasn't. so where does that get you? what is your purpose? you aren't saying dick all on that.
On November 19 2015 08:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: Ritoky is correct. Even if the claim feels like buttcheeks it's still uncc'd The only other thing I can think of is wait one cycle and if she is still alive lynch her. I don't understand how or why she isn't moving forward in her world view. Anyways looking at other people in the meantime since we don't win until all three are dead. ##unvotefuck this is irritating.
ritoky:
On November 19 2015 07:02 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 07:00 The Shining wrote:On November 19 2015 06:51 NocturneMage wrote:On November 19 2015 06:43 Breshke wrote:On November 19 2015 06:24 FarahBlackwing wrote: Everyone except Ritoky, Eversince and FecalFeast have entered the thread at this point.
You claim your shot as soon as you can as vig so that mafia can't create confusion later on with claiming the shot.
We can eliminate Ritoky from the list of consideration because he hard town read VE throughout the day even if he dropped a bit due to inactivity.
Eversince hasn't been here and didn't respond during the night which makes her highly unlikely to be the vigilante
FecalFeast is the best candidate left currently. Sorry not sure how I missed this. I don't think the vigi has to claim straight away but its not worth discussing and i can see why you would think that. I do not like that post from Farah at all. This is day 2, not mylo. I might be somewhat new here, but from all the games I've obsed, I can think of a few decent reasons for the vig waiting to claim. I can't see any town motivation personally for trying to openly out the vig or any blue role for that matter. The Eversince comment is a bad one because you don't know for sure if she's reading and just choosing not to post for medical/whatever and may have just slipped a PM. Who knows. The ritoky comment is bad in the event someone tinfoiled (is that the right English word) geript and scum went bluehunting on VE, which would implicate a veteran, someone who might know VE's play to take a gander on him. You cannot eliminate that possibility. The ritoky comment is good, IMO, because he hard towned both VE and geript iirc. So why would he vig either of them? And his last post saying vigging either was dumb makes it moot since its pretty obvs he isn't the Vig then except it implies she knows VE was the vigi shot and not geript. TMI as fuck.
On November 19 2015 07:06 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 07:00 NocturneMage wrote: given timing, I think she's trying to draw out a blue folks. This is something I learnt in newbie 13/14 anyhow. Discuss. it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. if she's the vigi there's no point to say anything but "i'm the vigi". if she is the doctor she just signed her death warrant. if she's veteran there's a guaranteed roleblocker and in most setups that counters vet protection so she is dead anyway unless we lynch exactly the RB today. if she's mafia being obtuse about it is less encouraging of a cc from blues, but she isn't an auto-lynch atm so claiming this early is.....idk it all just confuses me.
On November 19 2015 07:12 ritoky wrote:eh she might be blue.....
On November 19 2015 07:13 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: The fact that she claimed, but didn't bother going through MoosyDoosy's case point by point is really, really suspicious.
I know I'm not the only one who asked for that.
Would FarahBlackwing fakeclaim here as town? I would think not, but am I wrong? she is a new player, they are more prone to get ants in their pants and claim stupidly or too early than to make a fake claim that they know will get them into a screaming match w/ 40+ hours left in the day....unless you're me and fake claim cop your 2nd game ever.
On November 19 2015 08:32 ritoky wrote: the only way i am lynching farah today is if someone cc's her or i hard read someone as doctor. there's literally no other reason to lynch her.
trfel
On November 19 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: The fact that she claimed, but didn't bother going through MoosyDoosy's case point by point is really, really suspicious.
I know I'm not the only one who asked for that.
Would FarahBlackwing fakeclaim here as town? I would think not, but am I wrong?
On November 19 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do.
And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks.
I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage. I can't see this coming from a person who would fakeclaim here as town. That settles that.
On November 19 2015 07:45 Trfel wrote:Ugh, I hate being sick, it makes it so hard for me to think T.T I'm really, really considering lynching FarahBlackwing here. The only reason for her to claim this early is that she doesn't have enough time to properly defend herself. Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 06:53 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'll head this off now probably not enough time to fight off a snowball.
Hard claiming blue. So she's really busy, but she spent time trying to guess who the vigilante is (of all things) instead of responding to the case? Instead of trying to find mafia? Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 07:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Read what I wrote and apply it. Information is king withholding information when you are a glorified vt now is anti-town especially the leathery out wait the more mafia can mess with town. This is in no way a justification for the time spent. To me, it almost feels like FarahBlackwing's attempts to find the vigilante were to figure out what the thread influence would look like post-claim, which is useful to know if she's mafia. Especially if she's mafia trying to do something like fakeclaim. Fecalfeast doesn't have a large amount of thread presence, and imagining for a moment that he became confirmed town by claiming vigilante, I don't think that much would change. Meaning that mafia thread influence would be maximized, encouraging a fakeclaim.
On November 19 2015 08:25 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote ##Vote farahblackwing
Lets ride Sure. ##vote FarahBlackwing
On November 19 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: Ritoky is correct. Even if the claim feels like buttcheeks it's still uncc'd But when it's this bad? And when the person claiming is being this malicious? And right after we saw MoosyDoosy avoid a lynch through martyring? This simply isn't town play. Giving up a power role for this is not a trade that should even need to happen.
The Shining
On November 19 2015 07:11 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 07:02 NocturneMage wrote: wait he hard townread both? interesting, I stand corrected on that then. Ya in his post trashing my EoD post he said him geript and you were all town and "everyone know this" implying a hard townread. He also had geript on a town list before then. But it is interesting that Farrah knows VE was the Vig shot and hard claimed blue. If she were the Vig I don't think she'd be speculating on who the vig is, unless like NM said it was for a gotcha! Cc play. But its too early in the day and risky for it to be a scum play to try and save herself or draw out a blue. Idk I'm confused on this one.
disformation
On November 19 2015 07:45 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 07:44 ritoky wrote:On November 19 2015 07:38 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 19 2015 06:20 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm pretty sure fecal is the vig which makes the game pretty easy. I'm catching up sorry I had a lot of business to take care of today. I am not the vig can you make me fall in love with you today. i gave you a town pass cuz you courted me and were funny, but you're starting to make your way toward my PoE at a quicker and quicker rate. so plz defecate town rainbows if you're town. Since farah is currently an uncced blue, I would very much like this, too.
On November 19 2015 10:44 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 10:37 Trfel wrote: How did you arrive at FarahBlackwing being town? tinfoil + uncced blue Other great theories: She and MD are a scumteam and are competing on how hard they bullshit town into oblivion.
On November 19 2015 10:48 disformation wrote: Oh, crap. What if eversince is the real vet and not around to cc?
Also going to stop ranting and grasping at straws like a madmen. Sry for cluttering up the thread...
MD
On November 19 2015 08:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: Okay Farah is scum lmao. There's little reason to believe her claim. She literally acted scummy as fuck during N1. Like what point is there in doing that as veteran? Best case scenario she's kept around and her role is useless. Worst case scenario vigi shoots her and both roles are wasted. Like hello?
On November 19 2015 08:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm going to look into Breshke and Trfel. Farah is still scummy as fuck but it would be best to keep her around for one more day and see what she does especially if she's un cc'd.
On November 19 2015 08:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 08:23 The Shining wrote:On November 19 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote ##Vote farahblackwing
Lets ride Moosy pt2? No one can Moosy like me. XD She's cute but I can understand why she did what she did if she's actually town. @FarahBlackwing, answer this one question and I decide whether I want you dead today or not. Why did you claim this early?
On November 19 2015 08:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 08:26 Fecalfeast wrote: Why were you okay with being killed day 1 as vet, farah? Yeah, this is the biggest problem as I pointed out. She acted so fucking scummy that her role was essentially useless.
On November 19 2015 08:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 08:27 FarahBlackwing wrote: Either lynch me or believe me I will be as obstinate as possible until one or the other happens. This is coming from the player that says I play like shit in games I sign up for lmao. Oh wellz, my vote's staying where it is.
FF:
On November 19 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: Ritoky is correct. Even if the claim feels like buttcheeks it's still uncc'd
On November 19 2015 12:40 Tictock wrote: Effective immediately, FarahBlackwing will be replaced by Damdred
Can do this part when I am back at home later.
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NM does't believe the claim but backs off after a while. ritoky is a bit sceptical but arrives at the conclusion that the claim is legit. trefel goes from "nah this is not a fakeclaim" to "lynch with fire" The Shining I don't know. disformation well she is uncc MD "lynch with fire" FF well she is uncc
Will later look at what happens after Damdred comes in and stays with the claim
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If mafia shoots me (lol), you will have to do the legwork yourselves.
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phone post: random thought: where is NM at? i dont remember him posting this night at all...
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Of course I'm up this early when it's night phase. No errands, no shenanigans, what am I doing with my life?
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Literally just returned, and catching up. To be honest today and tomorrow are going to be poor in terms of activity for me, so I'll try and get as much out as I can. Work, sleep, and my wife returns after 11 days abroad, so tomorrow I'm going to spend as much time with her as humanly possible.
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On November 21 2015 05:50 disformation wrote: Added some colour. Went ahead and painted myself green. :p
scott31337 (6): disformation, Trfel, FarahBlackwing, FarahBlackwing, Fecalfeast, disformation, ritoky, The Shining, NocturneMage MoosyDoosy (4): NocturneMage, disformation, MoosyDoosy, Trfel, disformation, NocturneMage, Breshke, scott31337, ritoky FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, VisceraEyes, MoosyDoosy Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes Breshke (1): geript, FarahBlackwing, disformation The Shining (0): FarahBlackwing, ritoky, disformation Trfel (0): scott31337 VisceraEyes (0): NocturneMage, NocturneMage mooseydoosey (0): Fecalfeast, Fecalfeast disinformation (0): FarahBlackwing
Breshke (5): FarahBlackwing, disformation, NocturneMage, Damdred, Fecalfeast, ritoky, The Shining Trfel (2): Fecalfeast, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage farahblackwing (1): MoosyDoosy, FarahBlackwing, Trfel Fecalfeast (1): Trfel farahbackwing (0): NocturneMage
Not Voting (2): Breshke, Eversince
D2 votes imply that if there was no bussing of the Roleblocker it has to be Trfel and Eversince. Otherwise at least 1 person had to bus. From the timing I would suggest one of the last three votes on Breshke for the bus.
I would agree with this. I think someone voiced the point that Trfel wasn't voting Breshke and starting a counterwagon (Shining? Damdred? I forget who) made him more towny but I'm also not sure that two people would make themselves that obvious trying to bus their roleblocker at the end. Unless you pulled a fail like us newbies did in newbie 13 lol.
....but not two open players anyhow. Still leaves the possibility of Eversince if I'm wrong on Trfel.
speaking of Trfel he seems convinced on Fecalfeast, and at the moment seeing his "lol I didn't bus my roleblocker" posts aren't impressing me knowing that Moosy himself bussed his own roleblocker the first two cycles in newbie 13 so I couldn't discount that possibility.
Then again it's Moosy with the yolo plays as usual, not sure how Fecalfeast plays as mafia.
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I'm not gonna self meta but I did link all my games in my trash talk post. Have a look at a fecalfeast mafia game.
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On November 21 2015 05:58 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 11:13 ritoky wrote: pretty good post by trfel about ff. + trfel angry might mean trfel the town out of trfel/breshke and i was just wrong.
pretty good post by ff about breshke. hate that it took a good case on him to prompt it though. Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 14:17 ritoky wrote: it still really irks me that ff only did something after he got cased.
random thought: if breshke is mafia, ff can still easily be with him. Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote: ##vote: breshke
also in support of a shining or ever lynch. might be convinced of an ff lynch. Why is he voting Breshke together with FF who he suspects and kinda wants to lynch, too? And why is he suggesting to lynch two ppl who are very afk at that time?
On November 21 2015 05:41 The Shining wrote: Yes. And rits d1 votes were me>Moosy>Scott. Im town, Moosy is unccd vig, scott flipped town. If he was suspicious of me enough to vote me, he should've been more worried about me voting Scott with him instead of realizing Scott was town right at deadline because of his post 3 mins before EoD.
And the refusal to evaluate. And his always softing me but no push or outright reasoning for why I'm scum.
I want to lynch ritoky.
Confirming you are basically saying that ritoky is suspicious for voting with his scumreads on other people? Makes sense. I did not think too much of him initially because of all the vote switching he did (and others like Farah I think switched multiple times) but I'd have to take a closer look at his filter.
Conversely from a pure voting standpoint, why is Trfel not mafia because it seems like some of you aren't convinced. The ritoky's argument of the whole GF/cop thing favouring bussing whatever over hard alignment made zero sense to me or rather I can't get my head around why either strategy would be setup dependent, if ritoky actually answered that questions, then I missed it.
I already made filter arguments and maybe this is just me not understanding the whole voting analysis thing except for the little I've learnt in my two games, but using this last voting example why would he bus his own roleblocker when he'd get no credit for it and his reads aren't lining up anyhow? Trfel can't obviously vote for himself so what choice does he have?
The only thing that jumps out at me looking at a town Trfel is him NOT voting with Fecalfeast who is voting Breshke, but IDK.
In any case there is still a second scum left....from the looks of what has been posted, I take it Onegu is a lurky player in general? Never played with him obviously.
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On November 21 2015 05:37 Damdred wrote: Most important thing to consider is this
1) was Breshke the most dead in the water?
The answer to this question is yes, before nm switched it was 6-1-1
Even if the scum team switched it would be 4-4-1 and I don't think that nm would switch with that plus it reveals the scum team the next day if Trfel flips town.
Ff vote on Scott makes him look bad when it occured to put him above Breshke.
Rits vote on Scott looks bad overall plus his refusal to really evaluate or pay attention to the case geript+disf+Farah commented on.
Its highly likely rit is at least scum.
On November 21 2015 05:41 The Shining wrote: Yes. And rits d1 votes were me>Moosy>Scott. Im town, Moosy is unccd vig, scott flipped town. If he was suspicious of me enough to vote me, he should've been more worried about me voting Scott with him instead of realizing Scott was town right at deadline because of his post 3 mins before EoD.
And the refusal to evaluate. And his always softing me but no push or outright reasoning for why I'm scum.
I want to lynch ritoky.
Noted for when I look through ritoky's filter.
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On November 21 2015 06:08 disformation wrote: Also ritoky was trying to push for trfel over Breshke earlier D2...
On November 20 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 07:03 disformation wrote: ritoky can you explain why you want to lynch trfel? 2 reasons primarily: 1) The following sentence is probably the most awkward/scummy sentence in the entire thread. Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote: Wait, what the heck?
This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here.
Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town.
Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas.
He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia.
So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched?
I don't like this one bit. 2) Trfel procedurally understands the game enough to not push relentlessly on an uncc'd blue. There's a difference between "I scum read this person for a couple posts to make sure they hold their claim" and what he was doing. He was legitimately applying pressure. I had begun to consider the tinfoil world where he might be doctor, but damdred enters the game maintains the claim, and he backs off. So it wasn't cc based, it wasn't good play, so it was probably just mafia. Reasons why I greatly prefer trfel to breshke: 1) I think trfel has done mafia things, I don't think breshke has done much of anything. Breshke is in the pile of ff and ever of not doing anything to significantly impact the game and 1 or 2 of them are probably mafia.
2) 1 of the primary reasons for people pushing breshke (geript's isolated questions and blah blah read) was just factually false.
3) I don't think trfel and breshke are together and I think trfel is mafia. I say this primarily because of setup. It is a set-up with only a 50% chance of having investigative power and a guaranteed GF. This means that distancing and busing are more optimal than hard defense and aligning; and trfel has been REALLY defending breshke (like since p1 of his filter defending) pretty much all game. I think both trfel and breshke are good enough players to recognize that about the setup and I sincerely doubt that trfel hard defends his partner so early. Probably a case of mafia trying to pocket town. imo lynch pool right now should be something like: trfel - reasons above ever - already said why ff - hasn't shit town rainbow yet, disengaged shining - same as before + extra dropoff + not scum hunting.
So I'm looking at this post and I'm curious as to how he goes from "Trfel has done more mafia things than Breshke" (paraphrasing) to "well only one of Trfel and Breshke can be mafia" because they aren't together.
On November 21 2015 09:27 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 09:18 ritoky wrote:On November 21 2015 09:07 Fecalfeast wrote: Ritoky if I gave you a gun and told you to shoot anyone who isn't shining, would you use it? On whom?
I'm not feeling extra funny right now sorry bb. it's okay i think i might go shave to calm myself. shooting ever is always the correct play, but i am in a mood right now so i would shoot NM cuz yolo tinfoil. cuz basically in the scenario where i can't shoot shining cuz town shielded i am here: town: ritoky disform damdred moosy shining other: ff ever trfel NM if i pull out ff cuz he has basically been trying to get me to cheat on my wife all game by looking at me tantalizingly from the corner, then we have ever, trfel, NM and if my read on trfel is right that 1 between trfel and breshke, then i have a team of exactly: ever, NM....which i am not sure how i feel about that right now. but if shining is town then lynching those 3 wins the game in all likelihood.
So what makes trfel "less mafia" from ritoky's perspective given what he's posted before? I don't see he's posted much other than saying Fecalfeast is scum and that has not changed from him since before EoD. The hard alignment thing doesn't discuss anything from what he's seeing of Trfel other than an associative read. (Or an association read as to why he's not mafia.) At the very least you'd think he'd be a little more hesistant to say "welp Trfel's town based on setup, yet he still did X, Y, and Z," but maybe let me look into other people.
It seems too absolute for me you can't predict that everyone will think similarly on setup.
The reason Breshke was scumread esp for day 2 was the lack of followup/interaction engagement with scumreads, so I can see the argument of spewing disinformation (spewing meaning a TMI town read I assum), and it was said afterwards he did well in not giving teammates away otherwise.
going to check on ritoky vs Shining....
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Day 3
Chapter 3: Signs of a Counteroffensive
Flavor is for fun, and does not have any clues regarding the setup
One day, something else may be written here...
MoosyDoosy, a clever alias for Roy Mustang (Vigilante), has been dismembered in the night.
Day 3 ends on Monday, Nov 23 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in
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gg moose, don't martyr next game pls
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big post NM? Have you checked shining v ritoky?
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