Do you know that girl from our neighborhood? She loves her dog so much she is inseparable from it.
When do you guys plan on starting? If the start is next Monday or later I will in so hard.
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Do you know that girl from our neighborhood? She loves her dog so much she is inseparable from it. When do you guys plan on starting? If the start is next Monday or later I will in so hard. | ||
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edit: nvm fuck it. /in | ||
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On October 21 2015 23:31 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2015 22:22 disformation wrote: Nice armor. Must have cost you an arm and a leg. Do you know that girl from our neighborhood? She loves her dog so much she is inseparable from it. When do you guys plan on starting? If the start is next Monday or later I will in so hard. ~2weeks to fill out the player list seems normal, but you never know. Welcome back! Hopefully you get a little breathing room after everythingwinds down for ya. Hopefully I'll get the flavor done today, but tomorrow for sure. Yeah, but it can be a bit strange. Sometimes it is like "oh they still need 50% of the players", then it fills up in half a day. Since NSM XVI started not long ago, I guess it will be a bit of time before this one fills up. I also hope that I get a bit of a breathing room, but I already have a bunch of stuff I need to take care off lined up. So meh. No rest for the wicked. | ||
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On October 22 2015 11:21 Half the Sky wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2015 22:36 disformation wrote: Looking forward seeing the flavor for this. edit: nvm fuck it. /in OMG...... <3 <3 <3 <3 God I miss playing with you Must be wonderful to be free! edit: can't even consider signing up for anything until I return home though >_< My defense is on Monday and I already have a bunch of annoying stuff that needs taking care off lined up for next week. So currently I am not feeling free at all. :p But at least I will have time for mafia again. I hope I don't roll Hughes. Resisting the urge to soft the role by shoving pictures of my (imaginary) daughter in everyone's face all the time would be Hugh(es). edited for spelling. edit2: I guess FMA could also make for a super good themed game, where every Homunculus gets a Role and some more minor characters could be town aligned. Scar and Greed could also be like 3P. But I am pretty happy that this is a NSM, I wants a couch. | ||
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On October 28 2015 07:07 Tictock wrote: I've been slacking on finishing the flavor but I should have it all posted by tonight (it's all written down just haven't updated the setup). I'm curiuse though, are most people familiar with the Anime that aired a few years back (lasted about 40 episodes), the manga, or the more recent anime (called Brotherhood) that stays true to the manga? Just wondering, as I originally got hooked on the Anime series that aired here in the states on Adult Swim a few years ago, but the story in Brotherhood was pretty intereting. I'm basing the flavor on this based on the Anime (not Brotherhood) just in case there are fans of the manga here. Watched both animes, both the original and brotherhood. I think Brotherhood was a bit better, because they had more episodes to explain the crazy stuff happening towards the end. Though I liked Sloth a lot more in the original anime (sloth is traditionally my fav. of the seven sins and I wasn't a fan of that oaf in Brotherhood). Still can recommend both. And yeah I already had noticed that you went with the original one, by looking at the GF role. | ||
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Would have made Gluttony the Goon, too. | ||
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Edit: Ah, yes it seems NSM XVI has ended with a close victory for town. | ||
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On November 03 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote: Ugh, if I in I would have to get up before noon Only two slots left, better make up your mind now before you regret it. Though getting out of bed before noon is basically impossible, so I can understand your hesitation. For the record: I managed to get out of bed at 2 pm today, so I totally mean it. | ||
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On November 03 2015 11:46 Tictock wrote: Yea timezones are hard sometimes, mostly just kus there's like 3? different standards that people use. In case anyone is still confused (I should have used BB code in OP and Poll to help out before, will update now) this should be the default deadline that we will be using, converted into your own timezone. 19:00 GMT (+00:00) Edit: Actually hold on... now I'm confused because I DID use BBcode... but it's changing when I put it in again Yes. I hate fucking time zones. Somehow my brain isn't able to handle this crap. And yeah the time you put in that post differs by 1hour from the default in the op edit: my sleep schedule is kinda broken anyways, so I will just break it some more, so I'll be around for (most) deadlines. | ||
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On November 03 2015 12:03 Tictock wrote: Well as far as I understood the BBcode I'm using [time] just converts the time that you put in into the local timezone, I based the original codes in the OP based on w/e they were when I copied the OP and just edited it for this game. Now when I stick what is returned by that code into the code again it changes the letters for the timezone and the time got adjusted by an hour like Dis said. I'm not even understanding why the output changes when I'm putting in what it was returning for me already. Got it. Well actually Eversince got it: On November 03 2015 11:54 Eversince wrote: Time changed again on Saturday in the US. When you wrote the op you wrote it before the daylight saving time stuff. You know where the time gets moved up or back one hour. Since all my clocks are digital I just ignore it these days. But the clocks got moved back some when last week... So the current times don't match with those in the op, because times got moved back since then. But apparently they didn't get moved everywhere so the results don't match. Edit: What FF said. :p | ||
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But I guess the deadline is a bit awkward for ppl. =/ | ||
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Sunday should also be a pretty good starting time for me. Have a bit of stuff lined up this Friday and Saturday. Another newbie would be great, seeing that there currently are only 3 signed up for this. | ||
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On November 13 2015 13:14 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Don't worry, you'll get to play for 48 hours before we lynch you On November 13 2015 12:56 disformation wrote: I hope we can finally get going. Sunday should also be a pretty good starting time for me. Have a bit of stuff lined up this Friday and Saturday. Another newbie would be great, seeing that there currently are only 3 signed up for this. Getting lynched would be a first for me. Inb4: "challenge accepted" :p | ||
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On November 14 2015 09:02 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 14 2015 02:25 disformation wrote: On November 13 2015 13:14 Trfel wrote: On November 13 2015 12:56 disformation wrote: Don't worry, you'll get to play for 48 hours before we lynch you I hope we can finally get going. Sunday should also be a pretty good starting time for me. Have a bit of stuff lined up this Friday and Saturday. Another newbie would be great, seeing that there currently are only 3 signed up for this. Getting lynched would be a first for me. Inb4: "challenge accepted" :p You got me lynched last time. Time for revenge? Well hopefully you don't play dota. Then you are definitely on my shit list I got you lynched? I don't think I lead the lynch. At some point in my life I played dota 2. At some point in my life I played LoL. Currently I don't care much for either of them. One was like a brief summer romance, before we found out that we actually don't have much in common and can't stand each other on a more stable and daily basis. The other was like one of these drawn out love-hate relationships that scream "it is complicated". | ||
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Hope you are as well as you appear to be and may modern medicine help you overcome this accident. Also hope that you will recover soon. | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time Can you throw me the statistics you are refering to? | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:05 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time Can you throw me the statistics you are refering to? Actually: counterproposal: In both games I played with scott, he was lynched D1 and town won. That is like a 100% to win if we lynch scott today! ##vote scott31337 | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:07 FarahBlackwing wrote: Shining has rolled town 85% of the time maybe 90%. His streak must be over at some point I have rolled town 100% of the time. Maybe you should lynch me. :D | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:22 FarahBlackwing wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:09 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 05:07 FarahBlackwing wrote: Shining has rolled town 85% of the time maybe 90%. His streak must be over at some point I have rolled town 100% of the time. Maybe you should lynch me. :D But what is the sample size compared to his? Much much smaller than his. I am at 4/4 town now. | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote: Farrah your logic is flawed. I rolled scum a few games ago which means I'm due for another 10 town games, which this is. Your instant vote is pretty uncalled for so early, with so many people missing but I'll chalk it up to interesting entrance. How far you plan on pushing this obvious policy lynch? Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard? Meh. TBH I didn't read any of the stuff happening so far as serious. It is the start of day one after all. *shrugs* + Show Spoiler + No my scott vote is not in the least bit serious. | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote: sorta, was up about 10 mins before day post, why? Ah, no real reason. Remembered that you mentioned getting up for EoD time pre-game and was looking for something to say since we were the first two in thread. Didn't expect the thread to fill up this fast. ... I suck at small talk xD | ||
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On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote: On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote Ok I have my read now. Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi. So what's your read and how did you reach it? Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in. Pretty sure he's town at least for now. Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining. | ||
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On November 16 2015 06:11 FarahBlackwing wrote: That's what your going to get geript that's my read and idc if it is not adequate for you. Could you at least explain the "Shining is town based on general activity" part for me? Like is that a meta read as in "his activity as mafia is much lower" or do you just like that he is this active early on? Or maybe something else I don't see? | ||
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On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote: On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote Ok I have my read now. Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi. So what's your read and how did you reach it? Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in. Pretty sure he's town at least for now. Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining. From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him Alright, thanks. Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself. | ||
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On November 16 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Fair enough. I don't have a read on geript either XDOn November 16 2015 06:21 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 06:17 Trfel wrote: On November 16 2015 06:16 FarahBlackwing wrote: I asked you first On November 16 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote: Best of luck with your surgery, Eversince. FarahBlackwing, do you have a read on geript? Should i? No I don't currently have a read concerning him. Hm. I would think geript is town? He constantly bothers ppl into explaining/doing stuff... people explaining/doing stuff helps you get a read on them. | ||
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On November 16 2015 07:51 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 06:17 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote: On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote Ok I have my read now. Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi. So what's your read and how did you reach it? Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in. Pretty sure he's town at least for now. Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining. From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him Alright, thanks. Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself. quoting for empty promise potential. Should have said "maybe, if two suns rise tomorrow morning will I look at some past games." Nah, for realz, he only has two maffay games in the database, so I will be looking at those next. Despite me saying that I don't recall playing with The Shining we were both town in NSM IX. So I am currently reading both our filters from that game trying to recall stuff. | ||
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On November 16 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 08:04 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 07:51 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 06:17 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote: On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote Ok I have my read now. Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi. So what's your read and how did you reach it? Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in. Pretty sure he's town at least for now. Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining. From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him Alright, thanks. Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself. quoting for empty promise potential. Should have said "maybe, if two suns rise tomorrow morning will I look at some past games." Nah, for realz, he only has two maffay games in the database, so I will be looking at those next. Despite me saying that I don't recall playing with The Shining we were both town in NSM IX. So I am currently reading both our filters from that game trying to recall stuff. that's cool, i expect content later though. however before you finish that i am more interested on your thoughts on the actual game, not how it relates to previous games. who do you think is town? who is mafia? who is bad? who's ego is too big? y'kno....the usual Fair enough. Since I haven't played with the shining much, I am not that confident I will find amazing things in those old games. But I did try and pressure him in NSM9 a few times because I felt like he wasn't doing much. He was town in this game. So I am already not too sure about the meta read. His filter length in "Battle of the Drams", where he was mafia, is pretty similar to the one in NSM9, too... Well, back to this game: As stated before I have a town lean on geript for driving the game and prodding ppl into explaining stuff. Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated. FF: null. Only reaction so far is to me having his name in a post. Lurking? ritoky: Getting an investigating/engaging/driving the thread feel, so town lean. The early discussion stuff with Eversince, Farah, The Shining and VE was a bit strange to me, since I read the early posts by Eversince and Farah as jokes to get stuff going (well: mission accomplished). Not sure about VE, but both ppl I have as a town lean, say he is town based on meta, so I'll probably be a lazy cunt and sheep them (for now). | ||
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On November 16 2015 09:40 MoosyDoosy wrote: @disformation, you say you townread geript for "moving the game forwards". In that case, what do you think about Shining right now? Hmm. Not sure what to make of The Shining. Could maybe be seen as wanting to drive the thread a bit, since "all the entries were lame", but too much focus on the early VE/TS/Farah/Ever stuff, which as mentioned before I didn't quite get. So I'd like him to do some more stuff so I can think about it a bit more. Also would like you to answer the questions by FF and ritoky: + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 09:18 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 16 2015 06:24 Eversince wrote: Also, how was my second paragraph irrelevant. Just be realistic, assume I wasn't entirely feeding the pigeons corn, and understand I was tryin' to appear townish that game. So I was picking at things that I would find questionable as town. You didn't have much of anything until D3? to justify her read on you. Why the 180 now? lmao best quote the whole game. "assume I wasn't entirely feeding the pigeons corn" You got any early reads? On November 16 2015 09:53 ritoky wrote: cuz? | ||
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questions be here:+ Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 07:12 Breshke wrote: Eversince can you explain this a little for me I am having trouble understanding. 1. You make this post Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote: On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: Farahblackwing Soooo mafia. Lynch today! 2. Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 06:02 Eversince wrote: On November 16 2015 05:48 The Shining wrote: On November 16 2015 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote: On November 16 2015 05:38 The Shining wrote: On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote: On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: Farahblackwing Soooo mafia. Lynch today! I actually like this a lot. ##Vote: Farahblackwing What about it do you like? I see a short meta read based off of one newbie game, from a newbie. I wouldn't be nearly this confident in meta reading someone after just one game. And how do you know its even accurate? Did you check the last game or are you just blindly trusting to get on a wagon here? I don't care if it's accurate - if they're mafia and lying someone will come in and say "Hey that's a lie" and I'll reevaluate then. At this point I'm taking the short meta read at face value, assuming it's true and taking the attempt as a townie attempt to find mafia - one that has possibly borne fruit. So no, I'm not just "blindly" jumping on a wagon. I like this particular wagon for the reasons given and I like the person who started it, as indicated in my post. So in other words, you're being lazy and following the word of someone that you've never played with before about someone youve never played with before. Got it. Now if I go and say that I have a meta read on Eversince because as scum last game she just enters the thread and finds the scummiest looking thing she can and just hammers it into oblivion, which I think she could be doing here, what would you make of that? I want to see more than a short meta read on one person and no talk of other players before I even remotely believe she is town. I came into thread picking at Kelsier for the argument between him and Moosy. Since I was mafia that game, I knew both where town, but what else to pick at? They had filled several pages of the game with useless rambling. How can you even say I hammered it into the ground? I dropped my Kelsier read in the following night phase. I only held on to Moosy because his lack of content provided an excuse to my mafia self to chase after. I did play with Farah last game. You basically posted nothing for 80% of the game. She had an irreversible town read on you from early D1. So much so, I wish you HAD been mafia that game. Because if it had been you and not Vonthin, mafia would have easily won that game by killing Rels, and leaving you, Farah, and GB alive for lylo. Because Farah would not have voted you from D1 that game. I mentioned as much in QT about night kills because if Vonthin was left with Farah/Shining he would loss because neither would vote the other over him. Other than that point, I see nothing wrong with he's done other than ploy at a sarcastical comment I made an hour into this game. Which you point that he hasn't a need to make it. That's true. But don't try to say that I'm playin' my mafia meta because I poke fun early into the game. The bolded I assume refers to the initial post and makes sense to me like it was clear to me you werent being serious (apparently not to geiprt?) 3. Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 06:30 Eversince wrote: To clarify, The Shining lurked bad last game I played with. Farah town reads him regardless. This game, Farah mafia reads The Shining. He had not even posted yet. Yeh! It's completely different play! Buggers! Sorry for pointin' it out! Then this is where you lose me. I don't really get why you explained a read that you just called sarcastic. Do you think the difference in play means anything for farahs alignment? answers be here:+ Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 07:15 Eversince wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 07:12 Breshke wrote: Eversince can you explain this a little for me I am having trouble understanding. 1. You make this post On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote: On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: Farahblackwing Soooo mafia. Lynch today! 2. On November 16 2015 06:02 Eversince wrote: On November 16 2015 05:48 The Shining wrote: On November 16 2015 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote: On November 16 2015 05:38 The Shining wrote: On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote: On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: Farahblackwing Soooo mafia. Lynch today! I actually like this a lot. ##Vote: Farahblackwing What about it do you like? I see a short meta read based off of one newbie game, from a newbie. I wouldn't be nearly this confident in meta reading someone after just one game. And how do you know its even accurate? Did you check the last game or are you just blindly trusting to get on a wagon here? I don't care if it's accurate - if they're mafia and lying someone will come in and say "Hey that's a lie" and I'll reevaluate then. At this point I'm taking the short meta read at face value, assuming it's true and taking the attempt as a townie attempt to find mafia - one that has possibly borne fruit. So no, I'm not just "blindly" jumping on a wagon. I like this particular wagon for the reasons given and I like the person who started it, as indicated in my post. So in other words, you're being lazy and following the word of someone that you've never played with before about someone youve never played with before. Got it. Now if I go and say that I have a meta read on Eversince because as scum last game she just enters the thread and finds the scummiest looking thing she can and just hammers it into oblivion, which I think she could be doing here, what would you make of that? I want to see more than a short meta read on one person and no talk of other players before I even remotely believe she is town. I came into thread picking at Kelsier for the argument between him and Moosy. Since I was mafia that game, I knew both where town, but what else to pick at? They had filled several pages of the game with useless rambling. How can you even say I hammered it into the ground? I dropped my Kelsier read in the following night phase. I only held on to Moosy because his lack of content provided an excuse to my mafia self to chase after. I did play with Farah last game. You basically posted nothing for 80% of the game. She had an irreversible town read on you from early D1. So much so, I wish you HAD been mafia that game. Because if it had been you and not Vonthin, mafia would have easily won that game by killing Rels, and leaving you, Farah, and GB alive for lylo. Because Farah would not have voted you from D1 that game. I mentioned as much in QT about night kills because if Vonthin was left with Farah/Shining he would loss because neither would vote the other over him. Other than that point, I see nothing wrong with he's done other than ploy at a sarcastical comment I made an hour into this game. Which you point that he hasn't a need to make it. That's true. But don't try to say that I'm playin' my mafia meta because I poke fun early into the game. The bolded I assume refers to the initial post and makes sense to me like it was clear to me you werent being serious (apparently not to geiprt?) 3. On November 16 2015 06:30 Eversince wrote: To clarify, The Shining lurked bad last game I played with. Farah town reads him regardless. This game, Farah mafia reads The Shining. He had not even posted yet. Yeh! It's completely different play! Buggers! Sorry for pointin' it out! Then this is where you lose me. I don't really get why you explained a read that you just called sarcastic. Do you think the difference in play means anything for farahs alignment? 1. Yeh, 2. It was in reference to my first post. 3. No I don't think Farah is mafia at this point. Her early play I took as play, and she's done nothin' else to make me consider her as mafia. The only thing she's done is question me on something I did. I answered her. And she responded to me. I liked it. On November 16 2015 07:20 Eversince wrote: Ohhh I think I mis-understood point 3. I had to explain it because The Shining is poking at me for poking at Farah. I was only tryin' for cheap laughs, said as much, and still am being painted black because I said it. So I spelled it out as simply as I could understand how to. Showing my thoughts and reasoning for why I did what I did... | ||
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Still caught up to stuff an will start answering a few things. But before that: townread for NocturneMage. I like his posts so far and he looks really different from NSM13 (where he was maffay). | ||
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On November 16 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 08:04 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 07:51 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 06:17 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote: [quote] So what's your read and how did you reach it? Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in. Pretty sure he's town at least for now. Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining. From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him Alright, thanks. Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself. quoting for empty promise potential. Should have said "maybe, if two suns rise tomorrow morning will I look at some past games." Nah, for realz, he only has two maffay games in the database, so I will be looking at those next. Despite me saying that I don't recall playing with The Shining we were both town in NSM IX. So I am currently reading both our filters from that game trying to recall stuff. that's cool, i expect content later though. however before you finish that i am more interested on your thoughts on the actual game, not how it relates to previous games. who do you think is town? who is mafia? who is bad? who's ego is too big? y'kno....the usual Fair enough. Since I haven't played with the shining much, I am not that confident I will find amazing things in those old games. But I did try and pressure him in NSM9 a few times because I felt like he wasn't doing much. He was town in this game. So I am already not too sure about the meta read. His filter length in "Battle of the Drams", where he was mafia, is pretty similar to the one in NSM9, too... Well, back to this game: As stated before I have a town lean on geript for driving the game and prodding ppl into explaining stuff. Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated. FF: null. Only reaction so far is to me having his name in a post. Lurking? ritoky: Getting an investigating/engaging/driving the thread feel, so town lean. The early discussion stuff with Eversince, Farah, The Shining and VE was a bit strange to me, since I read the early posts by Eversince and Farah as jokes to get stuff going (well: mission accomplished). Not sure about VE, but both ppl I have as a town lean, say he is town based on meta, so I'll probably be a lazy cunt and sheep them (for now). yo geript, what do you think of the bolded? like...why was it included? Thoughtprocess at the time: Did I miss something? Oh, yeah FF posted stuff.... but that was super null? But didn't he react to my one post, so he has to be around a bit? Lurking? I can understand why it looks as forced, since I was kinda looking for stuff on a player that was super null at the time. *shrugs* On November 16 2015 15:16 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 08:04 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 07:51 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 06:17 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: [quote] Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in. Pretty sure he's town at least for now. Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining. From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him Alright, thanks. Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself. quoting for empty promise potential. Should have said "maybe, if two suns rise tomorrow morning will I look at some past games." Nah, for realz, he only has two maffay games in the database, so I will be looking at those next. Despite me saying that I don't recall playing with The Shining we were both town in NSM IX. So I am currently reading both our filters from that game trying to recall stuff. that's cool, i expect content later though. however before you finish that i am more interested on your thoughts on the actual game, not how it relates to previous games. who do you think is town? who is mafia? who is bad? who's ego is too big? y'kno....the usual Fair enough. Since I haven't played with the shining much, I am not that confident I will find amazing things in those old games. But I did try and pressure him in NSM9 a few times because I felt like he wasn't doing much. He was town in this game. So I am already not too sure about the meta read. His filter length in "Battle of the Drams", where he was mafia, is pretty similar to the one in NSM9, too... Well, back to this game: As stated before I have a town lean on geript for driving the game and prodding ppl into explaining stuff. Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated. FF: null. Only reaction so far is to me having his name in a post. Lurking? ritoky: Getting an investigating/engaging/driving the thread feel, so town lean. The early discussion stuff with Eversince, Farah, The Shining and VE was a bit strange to me, since I read the early posts by Eversince and Farah as jokes to get stuff going (well: mission accomplished). Not sure about VE, but both ppl I have as a town lean, say he is town based on meta, so I'll probably be a lazy cunt and sheep them (for now). yo geript, what do you think of the bolded? like...why was it included? I'm 99% sure I've coached disinformation. I just can't remember if it was as scum or town. I really want to look at that before I give a full read on him. The bolded doesn't terribly mark me either way other than the question mark. He's made what would seem to be questions out of statements a few times. He kinda bugs me a bit but without going back to see how he thinks it's hard to say if it's scummy or just bad play. Right now. 7/7---VE/Ritoky 6/7-- 5/7-- 4.5/7--Farah 4/7--everyone else 3.5/7--Breshke 3/7--Disinfo 2/7--Trfel 1/7--Moosy I'm seriously like 99% sure moosy is scum. Yes, you coached me in NSM13. Was VT that game. Link to my filter is in my profile. I don't really get what you mean with "He's made what would seem to be questions out of statements a few times." but for some reason I like softening my reads and stuff, so that may come from that. xD On November 16 2015 15:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 15:50 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 15:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 16 2015 15:42 ritoky wrote: why does you playing on other sites render meta worthless exactly? I can give you links to games for reference if you desire, but my play has changed a ton than what it usually was. okay, with your new improved play; could you tell me who is mafia or town? It's not necessarily improved but: Farah disformation Shining geript Would be really interested in the reasons behind the geript maffay read. On November 16 2015 23:34 NocturneMage wrote: Alright, so ritoky is certainly town for 362, I'm moving geript back to null until he can explain why he thinks the Trfel push is malicious, not seeing further explanation yet in his filter. disformation why is Trfel's post "strange"? You are a newer player like myself so ignoring meta, can you expand on what you thought was wrong with it? I can try. So TS posts this: On November 16 2015 06:22 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote: Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him. I like this. Trfels entrance was a one liner asking you to explain your read. And the posts are worryingly short. Is this the same Trfel that likes to post crazy WoT to start games and do stuff to get conversation and reads going? Because that is the town Trfel I know and this isn't him. A few mins later Trfel posts this: On November 16 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote: VisceraEyes VisceraEyes makes two posts showing suspicion of The Shining. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote: Farrah your logic is flawed. I rolled scum a few games ago which means I'm due for another 10 town games, which this is. Your instant vote is pretty uncalled for so early, with so many people missing but I'll chalk it up to interesting entrance. How far you plan on pushing this obvious policy lynch? Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard? No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia. On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me. After these posts, VisceraEyes treats The Shining like he is town, specifically by telling The Shining how to properly play as town. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote: As for finding scum not town, it's infinitely easier to narrow down your search by correctly identifying townies. This is known. On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote: If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town. Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 Furthermore, Eversince's post on FarahBlackwing has a very large logical flaw, in that The Shining hadn't posted at the time. Eversince is comparing a townread based on actual posts to a vote with zero reason from this game, which does not work. VisceraEyes knows much better than this. This isn't VisceraEyes pushing The Shining, this is VisceraEyes reading incorrectly and flailing wildly at The Shining with words that don't match his stance. Hm looking at the timestamps that could have been ninja... Well what I meant at the time with strange: 1) the timing 2) the targets. What is strange with the targets? Well he basically helps defending TS from mean VE, after TS expressed his dislike of Trfel. So in maffay motivations this trfel post could have been motivated to a) "hey look I am doing Trfel town stuff" and b) "hey TS I am totally on your side, ease up your suspicions on me." Even with the TS post being a ninja motivation 1) still is possible, since the geript post. Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either. | ||
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On November 17 2015 02:19 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 02:04 disformation wrote: I am here... kinda. Huge headache... Still caught up to stuff an will start answering a few things. But before that: townread for NocturneMage. I like his posts so far and he looks really different from NSM13 (where he was maffay). Can you comment on Trfel vs VE? There was one post where I asked you a question about Trfel and you (unlike geript and scott) are not in a position to meta him or VE. You said he had a strange reaction so what jumped out at you? Also what do you make of MoosyDoosy so far? I know at the very least you have played at least one game with him (possibly more?) I was mafia in newbie 13, you both were town. The strange Trfel thing is in the wall I just posted... should maye have split that in different posts. Yes, we three were in NSM 13.... Wow! Just noticed that Breshke was in that game, too! xD MoosyDoosy hasn't done a lot this game so far and is in dire need of explaining his reads. Is he different from what I remember of NSM13? Yes, but I don't think that is necessarily alignment indicative. | ||
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On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote: So to summarize: ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF Should add at least a bit of reasoning: All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions. (MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.) Other thoughts: Eversince will probably just get a pass from me for D1 because of the surgeries along with some points for trying to be here and do stuff. I didn't mind Farah, but want to see more in the near future. Still a bit waffly (btw: for ppl that don't know me: I am The Waffleboy) on The Shining, but he is a town lean for me atm. Also waffly about Breshke. Kinda liked scotts entry, so townlean unless he just vanishes for the rest of the day. I know scott is a low volume poster and I have a bit of a problem with that, since it often leads to me feeling like I don't see a proper read progression. NocturneMage, geript, ritoky and VE town. | ||
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@MoosyDoosy: Wasn't your way of playing town to get town reads, buddy/pocket some ppl and then try and find mafia in the remaining ppl? You said so yourself in NSM13. So far you just threw out a bunch of unexplained maffay reads. Is this one of the parts of your meta that has changed? | ||
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On November 17 2015 04:28 Trfel wrote: Disformation, why did you townread scott31337? Please explain. On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote: I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game. I'm going ahead and respond to both of that. Since I remember scott as someone who does not post a lot, I don't think his late entry is alignment indicative. I kinda liked his entry because he was explained were he was at after catching up to the thread fairly well. Yeah, it was not that original. Maybe I am a bit biased because a lot of his views are very similar to mine... His sudden disappearance does worry me a bit though.. would like him to interact with a few ppl and/or to push his scum reads. While we are at that: ##vote MoosyDoosy @MoosyDoosy : Plx, explain your reads and answer my question. I also should maybe rethink my stance on VE since I pretty my like Trfel's case. I also do not feel like lynching Trfel atm. | ||
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On November 17 2015 05:44 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Scott31337 didn't explain his reads, though. All he really said is that he didn't understand my post, and provided a bunch of weird reads on everyone else.On November 17 2015 05:32 disformation wrote: On November 17 2015 04:28 Trfel wrote: Disformation, why did you townread scott31337? Please explain. On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote: I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game. I'm going ahead and respond to both of that. Since I remember scott as someone who does not post a lot, I don't think his late entry is alignment indicative. I kinda liked his entry because he was explained were he was at after catching up to the thread fairly well. Yeah, it was not that original. Maybe I am a bit biased because a lot of his views are very similar to mine... His sudden disappearance does worry me a bit though.. would like him to interact with a few ppl and/or to push his scum reads. While we are at that: ##vote MoosyDoosy @MoosyDoosy : Plx, explain your reads and answer my question. I also should maybe rethink my stance on VE since I pretty my like Trfel's case. I also do not feel like lynching Trfel atm. Here's disinformation's first two posts on me (Trfel): Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote: Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated. Show nested quote + Twenty minutes later (in which time I did not post), he posts this:On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote: Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either. Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote: So to summarize: ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF Show nested quote + How did disformation get from "I don't know about Trfel" to "Trfel is a top lynch" without any posts from me or explanation in between?On November 17 2015 03:06 disformation wrote: On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote: So to summarize: ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF Should add at least a bit of reasoning: All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions. (MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.) Combined with the random townread of scott31337, I'm suspicious. One more thing to add, disformation's been very active this game post-wise, but hasn't provided many reads. The first time he provided reads was when someone asked him. He seems to be excited to play, chomping at the bit to start the game, but instead of playing he's mostly commenting and questioning, and seems to be somewhat avoiding sharing his own reads. Meh. Hm? Well you just happend to be one the three ppl I liked the least. My suspicions on you were posted. Also don't think my town lean on scott is random, but I should probably rethink scott, if he continues to not post. I also don't understand the bold part... if commenting and questioning is not playing, then can you please explain how to play? | ||
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On November 17 2015 06:16 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Looking closer, I think I see what you're saying in the first part. I misinterpreted your post about the people you don't like.On November 17 2015 06:07 disformation wrote: On November 17 2015 05:44 Trfel wrote: On November 17 2015 05:32 disformation wrote: Scott31337 didn't explain his reads, though. All he really said is that he didn't understand my post, and provided a bunch of weird reads on everyone else.On November 17 2015 04:28 Trfel wrote: Disformation, why did you townread scott31337? Please explain. On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote: I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game. I'm going ahead and respond to both of that. Since I remember scott as someone who does not post a lot, I don't think his late entry is alignment indicative. I kinda liked his entry because he was explained were he was at after catching up to the thread fairly well. Yeah, it was not that original. Maybe I am a bit biased because a lot of his views are very similar to mine... His sudden disappearance does worry me a bit though.. would like him to interact with a few ppl and/or to push his scum reads. While we are at that: ##vote MoosyDoosy @MoosyDoosy : Plx, explain your reads and answer my question. I also should maybe rethink my stance on VE since I pretty my like Trfel's case. I also do not feel like lynching Trfel atm. Here's disinformation's first two posts on me (Trfel): On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote: Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated. On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote: Twenty minutes later (in which time I did not post), he posts this:Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either. On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote: So to summarize: ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF On November 17 2015 03:06 disformation wrote: How did disformation get from "I don't know about Trfel" to "Trfel is a top lynch" without any posts from me or explanation in between?On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote: So to summarize: ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF Should add at least a bit of reasoning: All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions. (MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.) Combined with the random townread of scott31337, I'm suspicious. One more thing to add, disformation's been very active this game post-wise, but hasn't provided many reads. The first time he provided reads was when someone asked him. He seems to be excited to play, chomping at the bit to start the game, but instead of playing he's mostly commenting and questioning, and seems to be somewhat avoiding sharing his own reads. Meh. Hm? Well you just happend to be one the three ppl I liked the least. My suspicions on you were posted. Also don't think my town lean on scott is random, but I should probably rethink scott, if he continues to not post. I also don't understand the bold part... if commenting and questioning is not playing, then can you please explain how to play? My words were poorly chosen there, playing does include commenting and questioning, I should have said "pushing". Do you have any thoughts on Fecalfeast's latest post(s)? (I forget how many posts he made and I'm too lazy to look) Yeah, you are right. I could be pushing more. This is one of the aspects to my town game that I need to improve. FF has like 8 posts. Most of them are like "only skimming / lurking hardcore". He put out a few reads, but hardly explained any of them. His last list is basically without any explanation besides that he likes your case on VE. On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote: VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure. town: ritoky trfel nocturne mafia: moose ve that's all I got So yeah I am not impressed by FF so far.^^ Options are "super lazy town" and "scum trying to coast by on minimal work". Though his tone is a bit too up front lazy that I am not sure maffay would do this. But this could be what maffay would want me to think. @FF: what happened to: "farah is town, geript is town, ever is towny..." Sill valid? | ||
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MoosyDoosy tried something very similar to this in NSM13 and got modkilled as a result. He was town that game. As a result I am kinda hesitating to keep my vote on him, on the other hand I am super annoyed and want to policy lynch him for repeatedly pulling these things. On November 17 2015 09:28 ritoky wrote: Particularly the suggestion that we should lynch him feels town. It takes a certain level of testicular fortitude to suggest lynching yourself as mafia that early in the game and no offense to disform, but from my experience he isn't that ballsy and forthright. None taken you are quite right. Probably going to address a few points Farah and you made, grabbing something to eat first though. | ||
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So the points about my (I guess pretty bad play) that irk the people are: 1. No follow up on The Shining investigation. 2. the "random" scott town lean. 3. The Trefel business. Lets start with 3 in order to confuse ppl even more. Should have been more clearer in my wording of the "three ppl that I dislike the most" thing. I was slightly suspicious of Trfel as pointed out in: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=22#433 Being slightly suspicious of someone is no mafia read. He still was one of the three ppl I did like the least at that time. 2 As stated before I read his entry and thought that it looked okay. Maybe that was more tone than I thought. Probably was to hasty with this read. By now I am super worried that he hasn't put any further work into solving the game. 1 Had a feeling this would bite me in the ass somehow when ritoky quoted that. Still couldn't bother to finish it. Well I started some research as indicated in: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=18#359 I then realized that looking at his actual filters won't help me read him, since I know him not enough to meta him from that and he only has that one recent mafia game anyway, making the sample size really small. Also have a headache today and couldn't be arsed to read old games filters. :p So yeah I totally get why you would be confused as to what my alignment is and I feel like I have made some serious mistakes. Sorry, town. | ||
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On November 17 2015 10:19 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 10:17 ritoky wrote: On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again yea the "i understand trfel's case and am considering it" into no unvote of trfel or immediate reaction is kinda a ???? moment. plus i have a lot of TRs Too many TRs. I imagine there's one of the really good players as scum or it's a really obvious/lurky team Hm, which town reads do you feel strong / not strong about? scott is not strong since he has 0/5 stars on his filter I guess? | ||
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On November 17 2015 10:24 NocturneMage wrote: Besides Moosy, at the moment, there are others that I have questions on like VE (like FF can't be his only scumread), geript to a lesser extent (he's not lynchable but I want the whole Trfel thing to check out), disformation, the scott followup on Trfel. And VE completely dodged Breshke's questions upon re-reading. I'll be around another one or two hours, so if you have questions, feel free to ask. | ||
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On November 17 2015 10:31 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 10:26 disformation wrote: On November 17 2015 10:24 NocturneMage wrote: Besides Moosy, at the moment, there are others that I have questions on like VE (like FF can't be his only scumread), geript to a lesser extent (he's not lynchable but I want the whole Trfel thing to check out), disformation, the scott followup on Trfel. And VE completely dodged Breshke's questions upon re-reading. I'll be around another one or two hours, so if you have questions, feel free to ask. 3 never lynch today people and top 3 lynches today plz. a line or 2 on why, thanks bb Kay: Never Lynch Today Hasn't changed much from my last posts. 1) ritoky: Strong thread presence, prodding ppl looking for answers, I genuinely believe he wants to figure out ppls alignment. 2) NocturneMage: Super more active/interactive compared to NSM13. Not by a bit but by a HUGE margin. 3) geript: Came in the thread pretty strong, prodding ppl for different things, but hasn't been here today. I hope he drops by later though. Top Lynches: This is kinda difficult right now. Rethinking a few things... 1) MoosyDoosy: Does he even count? Feels a bit like a policy lynch as stated earlier. So alternatives to MD... The Shining hasn't been here in ages... I am warming up a bit on FF... Scott hasn't done much after he got that hasty town lean from me... not sure on VE, conflicted if I like ritokys (and geripts) meta read more than trfl's case... I should probably like the meta read more since it is by two guys on my never lynch today list... won't lunch ES today... mh... probably next up is scott and I feel like an idiot now. -.- 2) scott bonus: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=23#441 Not sure what the point of this post was. Buddying up to me? 3) Either still FF or someone else... taking a shower, will think on this, brb | ||
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On November 17 2015 10:58 disformation wrote: 3) Either still FF or someone else... taking a shower, will think on this, brb Continuing my rant. Gut/Tone say I don't want to lynch FF. Reread Farahs filter, feeling not compelled in any direction. The Shining's filter has a slight town tone, but he has been MIA for super long. So depending on what he brings to the table when he returns I can see myself putting my vote here. Meh. Not the bestest of lists. Should probably reread some filters tomorrow, but I am not sure how much time I'll have. Will hopefully be back 3-4h b4 deadline. Forecast says there is a decent chance for phone posts. | ||
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On November 17 2015 12:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: @disformation, if you had to say, where would you place Farah at? - Didn't mind the entry. - Not sold on the meta thing on shining. Since my attempts on research weren't conclusive on that. - Didn't like her saying she will be mostly afk today, but then she went ahead and posted a bit, so that is not that much concern. - Did post her town and scum/null reads and explained them, nothing stands out on that front. - Did like 0 pushing on her scum/null reads though. - So other than the eversince and the shining reads nothing original I guess. Conclusion: I am pretty null here. Like nothing stands out a lot for me personally. Maybe the conviction in her The Shining read. Don't want to lynch her though. On November 17 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote: Also scott has moved up in my lynch list because of that post I also like the part where he says he will watch stuff instead of actually trying to do something today. | ||
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profound sadness. @geript you have 7 ppl in your not town list, isnt that a bit much? keeping your options open? should i keep my post you would have advised me to post as mafia around for when i roll mafia? I mean you and ritoky called me out for it afteur all. | ||
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shining wasnt here in ages... maybe setting him on blast will change this... ##unvote ##vote The Shining voting on phone sucks | ||
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On November 17 2015 20:28 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 20:24 disformation wrote: phone post. profound sadness. @geript you have 7 ppl in your not town list, isnt that a bit much? keeping your options open? should i keep my post you would have advised me to post as mafia around for when i roll mafia? I mean you and ritoky called me out for it afteur all. not sure what you are trxing to say, but this pictute made me laugh. | ||
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On November 17 2015 21:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm not really into lynching Shining. Like what scummy things has Shining done besides being a little antsy about my early gutreads? mah main beef is that he hasnt been here for ages and thus I have zero idea about his current thoughts. he could jump on any train for any reason and probably get sway with it so I would like him to dhow up and kick some ass. | ||
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still up for voting moosy since i much dislike his antics. farah showing up would be nice too since i am quite null about her... does anyone hsve a solid read on her? | ||
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On November 17 2015 21:46 NocturneMage wrote: On Shining's absence, I know from obsing previous games he doesn't play on off days and if I read somewhere in thread right it was Monday/Tuesday. To me that's NAI but will review the interactions which apparently ritoky has found suspicious. Tone reads I had the opposite conclusion, but I've been advised in the past they are weak and subjective so... So disformation, hate to break it to you, your vote will not achieve its intended purpose. the shining doesnt play on Mon/Tue? Shit. That leaves me somewhat stumped... Thinking on that for a moment... | ||
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*sigh* lemme look at the current vc | ||
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defaulting to moosy for now. will try to figure out something when i am back on a pc. ##unvote ##vote MoosyDoosy | ||
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On November 17 2015 20:34 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 20:28 ritoky wrote: On November 17 2015 20:24 disformation wrote: phone post. profound sadness. @geript you have 7 ppl in your not town list, isnt that a bit much? keeping your options open? should i keep my post you would have advised me to post as mafia around for when i roll mafia? I mean you and ritoky called me out for it afteur all. not sure what you are trxing to say, but this pictute made me laugh. Epiphany: you are saying I act like a deviant brat. You are correct. Frustrated at having a hard time this game, after my last town game went pretty good... Going to ignore that stuff for now. Should have time to really look at things in about an hour or so. @NocturneMage: Like the tone of The Shining suggest town for me, but like you I have a difficult time wrapping my head about the content he posted. Like it is all about that early Farah and Eversince stuff... so I have zero idea where he currently stands... is he voting? will he show up to vote? I have no clue who he will vote... and that makes a bit antsy. So I am not inclined to call him either town or mafia. But he is basically getting a day of doing nearly nothing for free. I hope he does some amazing stuff D2... Will look at your stuff on Farah more closely when I have the time. | ||
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Found some motivation on the way home. Time for ace detective disformation to bust out some moves. There are probably three Homunculi remaining. Case closed, let's get drunk. Nah, Imma dive some filters and try to look at what the people in question are trying to achieve. @Trfel I get your what you are saying on MoosyDoosy vs Scott and I could vote for both atm, but: as you said MoosyDoosy is a wildcard. How do you propose we handle him? I fear he will just continue to be a wildcard and at some point town has to deal with that. | ||
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So... uh... I have no clue what he is trying to achieve. Posting to be posting? He certainly isn't pushing his suspect which still seems to be trfel? Like the only redeeming thing is: On November 17 2015 14:42 scott31337 wrote: I'll be up in about 12 hours and bitch that I'm not online and posting. Well suck it I was busy helping out my cousin that I just found out had MS. Which would be a super hard dick move to fake, imo. | ||
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Agenda seems to be figuring out the game and pushing his prime suspects. Town pile for today. | ||
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On November 18 2015 01:22 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I guess, I feel like time will take care of MoosyDoosy a bit better than it will scott31337. Scott31337 will probably continue to play in about the same way, and I feel like his play to this point is very revealing already (more what's not there than what is).On November 18 2015 01:11 disformation wrote: @Trfel I get your what you are saying on MoosyDoosy vs Scott and I could vote for both atm, but: as you said MoosyDoosy is a wildcard. How do you propose we handle him? I fear he will just continue to be a wildcard and at some point town has to deal with that. MoosyDoosy's play certainly can't become any less helpful, as he's shown some investment to the game despite asking to be lynched. It's hard to explain my thoughts, maybe I'm just being insane, but I can't see him playing for a significant period of time while putting a bit of effort into the game and also asking to be lynched. And whatever change he makes from that balance would probably be telling. Yeah, MoosyDoosy's more recent posts sound more reasonable. But some ppl pointed out that he faked outbursts of emotion before and I am a bit annoyed by this play, tbh. Scotts filter looks horrible as I pointed out, but the dma makes a bit worried. So I am feeling a bit coin tossy at the moment about these two. Will probably look at MoosyDoosy's filter next. | ||
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Still not to sure about that huge change in his read on me... though willingness to reevaluate reads is more town in my book... | ||
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On November 18 2015 01:56 FarahBlackwing wrote: This is a hard game. And i'm still not sure what to make of disinformation he keeps pointing out these scummy things people do but then ends up with something that could make them town. And really won't commit to a read either way this close to lynch, I almost would rather lynch him at this point maybe. welcome to disformation town play. I am calling myself waffleboy for a reason. A pity tunneltock is hosting this and not playing. We make a great team. xD Still finishing up on MoosyDoosy. Probably The Shining and Farah after that. The thing is: I can see a bunch of ppl getting like 1 free day (Eversince, The Shining, MoosyDoosy, scott), depending on the lynch of course and that worries me a bit because we have huge potential for maffay just coasting by. | ||
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On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote disinformation Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard. But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least. I am but a leaf in the wind. And my nick is disformation without in. I am not 100% sure how the automated vote counting tool handles votes, so you might want to remedy that. | ||
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On November 18 2015 02:07 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote disinformation Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard. But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least. I am but a leaf in the wind. And my nick is disformation without in. I am not 100% sure how the automated vote counting tool handles votes, so you might want to remedy that. Okay, okay. I will try to come up with an conclusion about MoosyDoosy vs. Scott31337. Let me finish MoosyDoosy's filter first. As you see I have quite a hard time deciding which one I dislike more as I am not 100% on one of them. Since this is a game of mafia and I am town I can't be 100% on anyone... which causes me some distress. I don't like making the wrong choices and that is why I appear as being waffly or keeping my options open. So again sry for my bad play town, but please bear with me. I understand that you want to lynch me for that, but I am town. | ||
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MoosyDoosy Do I want to lynch moosy because I think he is mafia? To be totally honest: No. I want to policy lynch him for pulling that martyr shit again. From things like: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=38#741 And his tone when talking to FF I think he is more likely to flip town than mafia... I am still not a fan and think it might be dangerous for town to keep him around for to long, since he is kinda a wildcard. But as town I should lynch mafia... so prolly unvoting. Scott When looking at his filter my brain says he is maffay. I look at the dick move analysis and my gut says he is town. I am probably too nice. That being said I think he actually has a higher chance of being maffay than MoosyDoosy. Which makes me kinda said. Looking at scotts filter again and try to see what geript is seeing. | ||
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On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote: A few things. Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia. Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up. Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now. ##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them. So... Moosy: Agree that his bounce back was rather townish. Scott: I still don't like his filter very much. But my gut doesn't agree with lynching him... and you are right, this thread is awfully quiet. Also in the game we lynched Scott D1 he basically just gave up and rolled over. This time he is at least trying to catch up... The Shining: I think I posted before that I am okay with giving him one Day, but he has to put in a lot of work D2. Hmm... Breshke... tbh he is a bit under the radar for me... filter diving him now. | ||
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On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke. ##Vote Breshke There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos. In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos. When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo: On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote: Breshke, who are your scumreads right now? If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine. It's mostly less active people. Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry. FF still being lazy so would lynch. Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. I also am waiting for VE to be around again. | ||
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On November 18 2015 03:00 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke. ##Vote Breshke There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos. In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos. When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote: On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote: Breshke, who are your scumreads right now? If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine. It's mostly less active people. Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry. FF still being lazy so would lynch. Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. I also am waiting for VE to be around again. Which FF answered the next page... No comment from Breshke... | ||
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On November 18 2015 03:03 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 03:00 disformation wrote: On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke. ##Vote Breshke There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos. In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos. When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo: On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote: On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote: Breshke, who are your scumreads right now? If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine. It's mostly less active people. Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry. FF still being lazy so would lynch. Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. I also am waiting for VE to be around again. Which FF answered the next page... No comment from Breshke... Shit. I really need to get into the habit of drawing conclusions. Was skimming Breshke's filter and didn't get too suspicious. Taking a closer look at stuff like this raises some red flags. Will look more closely, if I find more of this I might find it in me to vote for him. I have played 1-2 games with breshke but I found him to be rather unmemorable, which probably means I didn't have enough interactions with him, which will make it hard for me to compare this to his normal game. | ||
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On November 18 2015 03:06 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 03:03 disformation wrote: On November 18 2015 03:00 disformation wrote: On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke. ##Vote Breshke There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos. In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos. When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo: On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote: On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote: Breshke, who are your scumreads right now? If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine. It's mostly less active people. Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry. FF still being lazy so would lynch. Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. I also am waiting for VE to be around again. Which FF answered the next page... No comment from Breshke... Shit. I really need to get into the habit of drawing conclusions. Was skimming Breshke's filter and didn't get too suspicious. Taking a closer look at stuff like this raises some red flags. Will look more closely, if I find more of this I might find it in me to vote for him. I have played 1-2 games with breshke but I found him to be rather unmemorable, which probably means I didn't have enough interactions with him, which will make it hard for me to compare this to his normal game. To spell it out: Breshke now on the lower end of null, will look at his filter some more. | ||
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On November 17 2015 12:14 Breshke wrote: Moosey do you understand that if you are town that your play is just distracting the rest of town and really hurts your chances of people listening to you. It also lets people just cop out and just talk about you being a shithead. For example Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 11:19 scott31337 wrote: On November 17 2015 07:38 Trfel wrote: On November 17 2015 07:33 Breshke wrote: Sorry, I didn't mean your thoughts on VisceraEyes' stance on Fecalfeast, I was looking for your thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast (two separate reads).On November 17 2015 07:30 Trfel wrote: Breshke, any thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast? What makes geript's ranking out of 7 post any different from a standard list post? I have no problem with VE's read on FF seems to be a classic " he isn't doing stuff so lynch him". IDK i said it was dumb but people normally do stuff out of 10 or a percent or like out of 5. He did 7 so someone could be like "Why the fuck is it out of 7" and he would need to explain which would bring more attention to his reads etc I don't really understand the whole 7 thing at all. You know that geript is a strong scum player, so why wouldn't he want attention to be paid to his reads? Is geript a player who hides in a corner as mafia? On November 17 2015 07:35 Breshke wrote: On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back! ##Unvote I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted. The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you. So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by. Trefel the bolded makes me fairly sure all the shining stuff was just pressure. Did he say otherwise? On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes, he did.No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing. On November 17 2015 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm awake, Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings. 1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday. 2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today. 3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later. 4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game. I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either. Posts like this make Farah Mafia. And NM is town. On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point. So frustrating His ass was town in the last game too and did this. Playing against wincon is not cool. On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do. And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks. I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage. See even if Moosy sucks and I decide not to play with him in the future if he's town - this should not get you down either. A depressed town is a failtown. Please do not! We waited so long for this game to start. Okay? I'm at page 28 and would rather watch the Football game then read this. ##Unvote I may be back later, or on tomorrow. Great post for mafia to make. Also despite having some interactions with his scum reads, he never re-evaluates his reads. Only thing he does is slightly adjusting his lynch order. On November 17 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote: Also scott has moved up in my lynch list because of that post And he justifies his reason for the MD vote with something someoneelse came up with: On November 17 2015 23:30 Breshke wrote: Also as NM said go look at mooseys fake rage in that game i think it is similar to here from memory. It is just like misplaced anger at absolutly nothing that sidetracks the game and gives him an excuse to post but not do anything. I am also not sure where his town reads are at... he had a town lean on eversince very early and put town near the names of ritoky and geript but adds some doubt since these two are good players and could pull this as mafia. 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On November 17 2015 17:16 geript wrote: One last post. I'll be up around noon hopefully to look at things. I think Shinig or moosy would be my lynch choice. On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote: A few things. Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia. Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up. Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now. ##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them. ? | ||
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On November 18 2015 03:32 disformation wrote: Oh btw geript, what happened between these two posts: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 17:16 geript wrote: One last post. I'll be up around noon hopefully to look at things. I think Shinig or moosy would be my lynch choice. Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote: A few things. Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia. Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up. Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now. ##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them. ? To clarify: I refer to the change of heart regarding moosy and the shining. | ||
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On November 18 2015 03:40 geript wrote: I had time to read filters and compare to notes. Fair enough. I tried keeping notes on important/sketchy/whatever posts in my first two games, but found that these lists take too much time to keep up to date and end up huge so they don't actually help but steal time... Also announcing that you are going to make lists/spreadsheets and not delivering might bite one in the ass. xD Or do you have notes on the metas of different players? That would be interesting. Maybe I just need to figure out some clever formatting for such lists, or make them easier to maintain in some way... kinda ranting now, sry. | ||
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On November 18 2015 03:47 geript wrote: I have a few more minutes before I start work. But shits a bit crazy with 3-3-lots of solo. We need to consolidate on someone. Preferably Breshke but consolidation is key. This will probably end with a wild flailing about and switcheroo game like 30mins - 15mins to the deadline I fear. Nobody seems to be here. -.- | ||
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On November 18 2015 03:49 geript wrote: When I find a meta read on people I like and is accurate I keep it for later. Like Trfel looking bad early on. I just track those useful heuristics for later games. Will try and remember this for when I am able to identify accurate meta reads. | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:08 geript wrote: I really wish VE or ritoky were here. Yeah, their votes are super dead/wasted at the moment. | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote: Wait, what the heck? This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here. Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town. Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas. He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia. So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched? I don't like this one bit. Okay. I am aware that geript is supposed to be a really good mafia player (never played with him before). So I had this in the back of my mind. But all the votes were on moosydoosy and I am not sure if mafia geript would try to save moosydoosy? I also have some doubts for voting on either moosy or scott. | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:27 FarahBlackwing wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke. ##Vote Breshke There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos. In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos. Ritoky this is my reasonin On November 18 2015 03:03 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 03:00 disformation wrote: On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke. ##Vote Breshke There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos. In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos. When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo: On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote: On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote: Breshke, who are your scumreads right now? If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine. It's mostly less active people. Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry. FF still being lazy so would lynch. Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. I also am waiting for VE to be around again. Which FF answered the next page... No comment from Breshke... On November 18 2015 03:23 disformation wrote: Hmm... Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 12:14 Breshke wrote: Moosey do you understand that if you are town that your play is just distracting the rest of town and really hurts your chances of people listening to you. It also lets people just cop out and just talk about you being a shithead. For example On November 17 2015 11:19 scott31337 wrote: On November 17 2015 07:38 Trfel wrote: On November 17 2015 07:33 Breshke wrote: Sorry, I didn't mean your thoughts on VisceraEyes' stance on Fecalfeast, I was looking for your thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast (two separate reads).On November 17 2015 07:30 Trfel wrote: Breshke, any thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast? What makes geript's ranking out of 7 post any different from a standard list post? I have no problem with VE's read on FF seems to be a classic " he isn't doing stuff so lynch him". IDK i said it was dumb but people normally do stuff out of 10 or a percent or like out of 5. He did 7 so someone could be like "Why the fuck is it out of 7" and he would need to explain which would bring more attention to his reads etc I don't really understand the whole 7 thing at all. You know that geript is a strong scum player, so why wouldn't he want attention to be paid to his reads? Is geript a player who hides in a corner as mafia? On November 17 2015 07:35 Breshke wrote: On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back! ##Unvote I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted. The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you. So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by. Trefel the bolded makes me fairly sure all the shining stuff was just pressure. Did he say otherwise? On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes, he did.No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing. On November 17 2015 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm awake, Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings. 1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday. 2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today. 3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later. 4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game. I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either. Posts like this make Farah Mafia. And NM is town. On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point. So frustrating His ass was town in the last game too and did this. Playing against wincon is not cool. On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do. And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks. I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage. See even if Moosy sucks and I decide not to play with him in the future if he's town - this should not get you down either. A depressed town is a failtown. Please do not! We waited so long for this game to start. Okay? I'm at page 28 and would rather watch the Football game then read this. ##Unvote I may be back later, or on tomorrow. Great post for mafia to make. Also despite having some interactions with his scum reads, he never re-evaluates his reads. Only thing he does is slightly adjusting his lynch order. Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote: Also scott has moved up in my lynch list because of that post And he justifies his reason for the MD vote with something someoneelse came up with: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 23:30 Breshke wrote: Also as NM said go look at mooseys fake rage in that game i think it is similar to here from memory. It is just like misplaced anger at absolutly nothing that sidetracks the game and gives him an excuse to post but not do anything. I am also not sure where his town reads are at... he had a town lean on eversince very early and put town near the names of ritoky and geript but adds some doubt since these two are good players and could pull this as mafia. So he has like 0 genuine town reads to three ppl he would lynch. Not feeling a town agenda here... ##unvote ##vote Breshke Added my stuff on Breshke. | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:30 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Well, you're simply wrong, the lynch was going to be between MoosyDoosy and scott31337. Given how erratic MoosyDoosy's play is, the lynch balance is extremely up in the air. Any sort of shift away from MoosyDoosy would result in scott31337 being lynched.On November 18 2015 04:28 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I really don't think scott had much momentum at all going for him but that's just me and saying that geript is pushing breshke over scott is a gross misrepresentation of the game state. Moosy had 6 votes and scott 2? | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:33 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 04:26 geript wrote: On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote: A few things. Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia. Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up. Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now. ##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them. Ritoky plz read this i do remember breshke asking questions and not driving forward with them..... He also never readjusted his reads, only slightly moved his lynch order and basically never put out any town reads, besides some light town leans on eversince, geript and you. For geript and you he even said you were both capable of playing like this as mafia. | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:36 ritoky wrote: i have large problems with scott posting another "not gonna be here for a long time or actually say anything worthwhile" post. his excuse to content ratio is very high. Yes that is right. What gives me a bit of pause is the cousin with MS thing... By dick move analysis I think scott would not fake this. So he might have genuinely had no time? At least my gut feeling is telling me so. Brain says his filter is... uh... bad. | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:39 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 04:37 disformation wrote: On November 18 2015 04:36 ritoky wrote: i have large problems with scott posting another "not gonna be here for a long time or actually say anything worthwhile" post. his excuse to content ratio is very high. Yes that is right. What gives me a bit of pause is the cousin with MS thing... By dick move analysis I think scott would not fake this. So he might have genuinely had no time? At least my gut feeling is telling me so. Brain says his filter is... uh... bad. Dick move analysis I don't think applies here. Hmm... probably using it wrong then. Faking the cousin with MS thing would be a dick move though, right? xD | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh fuck boys I'm in bed still what'd i miss? MoosyDoosy has a tone of votes on him. Geript wants us to switch to Breshke. Trfel wants to lynch scott. Right now I am a bit torn, vote currently on Breshke. | ||
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Prefering both scott and Breshke over Moosy at this point. | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:48 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Scott31337 Fine I don't care between the two, the posts towards VE are decent. And the lack of anything scott is doing even when hes on the lynch list is worse then when he normally plays. 5 moosy 2 breshke 2 scott we probably need all people on the counterwagon to moosy | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm like 8 pages behind yolo vote *sigh* well... we need to consolidate and the scott filter is still bad. ##unvote ##vote Scott31337 | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:57 ritoky wrote: wait why am i trying to read people with 4 fucking minutes left You sir are in the position to decide the lynch. | ||
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On November 18 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: Good bye again. disformation and FarahBlackwing are scum. I want them to answer these questions. Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 08:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: @FarahBlackwing, explain your town read on me pre-lynch. @disformation, give reads on me, Farah, geript, and Trfel. With explanation. @mods, I'm happy to see that I voted for myself this game. *sigh* Keeping this short since my spirits are kinda low and I am getting tired. MoosyDoosy You are like 66% town and 100% annoying. Your tone after your tantrum shifted towards a more reasonable one, which I attributed with town. Currently you are looking at EoD stuff and re-evaluation your reads, which is town, too. I think I posted a few thoughts on you during the EoD time or leading up to it. To lazy to look for them right now. Never finished that filter dive though, cause I got distracted by the thread. Btw: On November 18 2015 07:35 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 20:29 disformation wrote: The lack ofproper trains like 8 hours b4 deadline also worries me. shining wasnt here in ages... maybe setting him on blast will change this... ##unvote ##vote The Shining voting on phone sucks WOAH WOAH SOMEONE GO BACK AND CHECK THIS No idea what is supposed to be wrong/right/whatever here. Could you elaborate? Trfel Thought he was town before all the EoD stuff happened. Need to look at it again and re-evaluate. Not sure if I'll be able to get that done before EoN though. Farah Null. Again wasn't able to finish the filter dive cause stuff kept happening. geript b4 EoD I would have said 90% town with a 10% chance of being a mafia mastermind. To me he looks genuinely pissed that we didn't make the Breshke lynch happen. So would prolly upgrade to 99% town or something. Don't take the exact values for more than they are though. | ||
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random fun fact: VE hasn't posted a single thing in 21 hours and did waste his vote D1. so I am kinda tired, but in a good mood and home earlier than expected... so let's do this. | ||
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On November 18 2015 10:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also, disformation's read on me is bad because he should think I'm Mafia. I literally switched my read on him AGAIN and he doesn't pick up on it and instead focuses on defending himself. Super self consciousness to this extent is something that only Mafia would worry about as they're psychologically always on the defensive. Of course I did notice you switch on me. That was not the point. The point I didn't like your first switch was that you did do so without any explanation. This time around you posted: On November 18 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 01:24 disformation wrote: scott31337
So... uh... I have no clue what he is trying to achieve. Posting to be posting? He certainly isn't pushing his suspect which still seems to be trfel? Like the only redeeming thing is: On November 17 2015 14:42 scott31337 wrote: I'll be up in about 12 hours and bitch that I'm not online and posting. Well suck it I was busy helping out my cousin that I just found out had MS. Which would be a super hard dick move to fake, imo. Posts like these are super weak and just serve to stir up lynch sentiment on someone else without actually committing to anything. Scum ping. On November 18 2015 07:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 02:22 disformation wrote: On November 18 2015 02:07 disformation wrote: On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote disinformation Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard. But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least. I am but a leaf in the wind. And my nick is disformation without in. I am not 100% sure how the automated vote counting tool handles votes, so you might want to remedy that. Okay, okay. I will try to come up with an conclusion about MoosyDoosy vs. Scott31337. Let me finish MoosyDoosy's filter first. As you see I have quite a hard time deciding which one I dislike more as I am not 100% on one of them. Since this is a game of mafia and I am town I can't be 100% on anyone... which causes me some distress. I don't like making the wrong choices and that is why I appear as being waffly or keeping my options open. So again sry for my bad play town, but please bear with me. I understand that you want to lynch me for that, but I am town. Hello? What is with this post? You're explaining what you think town should feel and you're saying you feel that way? ??? On November 18 2015 07:49 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 02:44 disformation wrote: On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote: A few things. Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia. Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up. Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now. ##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them. So... Moosy: Agree that his bounce back was rather townish. Scott: I still don't like his filter very much. But my gut doesn't agree with lynching him... and you are right, this thread is awfully quiet. Also in the game we lynched Scott D1 he basically just gave up and rolled over. This time he is at least trying to catch up... The Shining: I think I posted before that I am okay with giving him one Day, but he has to put in a lot of work D2. Hmm... Breshke... tbh he is a bit under the radar for me... filter diving him now. Which clearly imply that you have a bunch of problems with some of my posts and it makes sense for you to scumread me. I still don't understand what you are trying to say in the second quote btw... You totally missing my point indicates that you have not the faintest idea of how I think or my thought process works. As such I would prefer if you would abstain from such ridiculous bullshit claims in the future. Thanks, sweetheart. <3 On November 18 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: Good bye again. disformation and FarahBlackwing are scum. I want them to answer these questions. Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 08:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: @FarahBlackwing, explain your town read on me pre-lynch. @disformation, give reads on me, Farah, geript, and Trfel. With explanation. @mods, I'm happy to see that I voted for myself this game. Note the tone of that. The language suggest an order. You also flat out call me scum. So this combination just leaves me with three options:
You could say "well you could have simply posted your reads!". No. Not with this tone in your "question" for me. I had to take like 15mins to compose myself and not yell at you for using this tone. But since I think you are town I was trying to cooperate with you. On November 18 2015 11:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 10:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Where was this yesterday moose? I've got bad feelings about disform too now that I read through the rest of the day that I missed. I also think the emphasis on getting PRs to check you is a little odd from farah, she says to let cop/vig take care of moose but we have no idea if the setup is doc/vet and we will spend another day talking about moose which is very productive for scum if moose is town. dfoiqwjefopiqjefo Don't WIFOM roles as it becomes so confusing for everyone except scum but yes. disformation is scum. I will also explain why Farah is scum after she responds to my question. I was not around yesterday because it is so much better to read EoD1 from the view of an outside observer to easily pick out irregularities and spot out the obvious scum rather than panic in thread and have a colored read afterwards. Also because if I survive EoD1, it most of the times means town is at least semi-willing to put up with my bullshit which means I have to give my unconditional all in to the game from here on out. If you repeat that five times while making a handstand in front of a mirror, the mighty fairy Ticktock will descend from the heavens and bless me with a mafia role pm wrapped in rainbows. On November 18 2015 13:17 MoosyDoosy wrote: Ahhh, the beauty of playing like a b**ch D1 in order to get all the reads. Rather telling that you need to censor the description of your own playstyle. Incidentally you are my least favourite person to play mafia with and I am probably trying to ignore you for the reminder of the game. Feel free to scum read me for this, I am slowly but surely running out of fucks to give. Ace detective disformation time: There are probably still three Homunculi remaining. Case closed, let's get drunk. Honestly a beer would be great. Should probably look closely at farah's filter. | ||
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Looking at the votes yesterday. Warning this will be a wall. Starting from yesterday afternoon approximately 7 hours before deadline we were at: On November 17 2015 22:13 LoneMeow wrote: Day 1 Votecount MoosyDoosy (3): The Shining (1): FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes mooseydoosey (1): scott31337 (0): Trfel (0): VisceraEyes (0): Not Voting (6): geript, scott31337, Breshke, The Shining, Trfel, FarahBlackwing It looks like MoosyDoosy will be facing the court-martial for treason in leading the vote with 3 votes! Voting is Mandatory! Do not forget to vote! Vote tracker may be found here. I will now continue to look at the votes that followed and the excuses/explanations for them.
Then Trfel comes in heavily advocating a scott lynch. Some shuffeling about starts and the fun continues:
Further Resarch Opportunities FF Laziest town ever or expert mafia lurker? VE Where did he gogo and when will he be back? Trfel Not vote related, but I found something I really do not like and will investigate. Conclusions Farah If I am but a leaf in the wind, then what is Farah? + Show Spoiler + scum! Like seriously I did waffle around a fair bit, but she is all over with her votes... The Shining He better start shitting town rainbows all over D2, cause I really dislike his EoD post. Looking at Farah's and Trfel's filters next. | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote: Wait, what the heck? This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here. Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town. Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas. He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia. So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched? I don't like this one bit. Isn't that whole post basically a fear read on geript? Fear reads are bad mkay. Is he trying to sow distraction? Not a fan but I need to read his filter for conclusions. | ||
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On November 18 2015 21:51 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm going to bed, but I still won't answer you moos because its in my filter. You can't meta someone who has played one game before, its impossible to know how someone generally acts. Game is boring it still is toodles. I'm going to bed... Toodles which means um... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=toodles ..ah good bye? I post a scum read on her based on her voting like 1h50min after that. 4 minutes after my post she posts: On November 18 2015 23:47 FarahBlackwing wrote: Not really going to explain away a case that doesn't make anyone scum? Its based around the fact he thinks that i'm super serious and wouldn't make that play off one game. Based off the fact that I was bored of the thread because no one even made any effort to say anything more than hi and I decided to try to do something? Based off the fact that I made a read on moos that a lot of people had made some before but most after me. I don't care if people disagree with it its my read and its in my filter. And finally now people are saying I voted to much and that makes me scum. When you don't have a super strong case on someone and don't know who to sheep and you have two targets that you are ok with (scott and breshke) you don't really care which one. All I cared about was moos not being lynched which is why I said all we needed was dis or ritoky to switch to make it so. Anyway all the scum reads on me are crap. Can't sleep or just lurking? You are currently not gaining any townie brownies. Just sayin'. | ||
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I spend like straight up 2 hours and a bit on this, time to take a break eat something and clear my head. Will continue later. | ||
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On November 19 2015 00:15 FarahBlackwing wrote: oh shove it, just because I work third shift and took a nap so I could spend some amount of time with Damdred today on our day off doesn't mean i'm scum lurking. Fair enough. I am back and again instead of reading Farah's or Trfel's filters I am going to do something else, cause I found something shiny! Still plan on reading those filters eventually though. :p | ||
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On November 19 2015 02:08 geript wrote: I make important points on Breshke->people vote Scott I make important points on Trfel->people pretend it didn't happen Well, this thread is awfully dead. His - basically - fear read on you does confuse me somewhat though. So I will def. look at his filter, soonish. Meanwhile, what is your read on Farah? | ||
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On November 19 2015 02:31 geript wrote: I don't think she's scum #3. Any particular reason? | ||
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On November 19 2015 03:26 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I'll address the rest of geript's posts later. But this post is the most ridiculous.On November 18 2015 14:46 geript wrote: On November 18 2015 04:42 Trfel wrote: There is clearly a direction in Breshke's filter, and there are also some very insightful comments. The latter is the huge part of Breshke's town play, and it's very present this game. Looking through Breshke's filter, here's his direction: Early question to Eversince, ends in town lean Townread on The Shining Town lean on geript and ritoky Scum read on MoosyDoosy Investigating VisceraEyes Willing to lynch MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, and scott31337, still trying to figure out VisceraEyes Votes for MoosyDoosy The interesting thing here is that he's actually engaging with his scumreads and trying to get more information. He questioned VisceraEyes with a very sensible progression. His reads make sense and his pushes all have a followup. My points on Breshke covered this entirely. Breshke should not be read on his reads. It's about how he interacts with and acts in response to what's happening in the thread. Him blandly asking questions that go no where and lead to no conclusions is part of his scum meta. So what Trfel has pointed towards is specifically his scum meta and Trfel is trying to paint him town for it. Geript's claims are simply not true. I've tried to illustrate that by describing Breshke's thought process and read progression, Breshke's filter shows questions that are probing his suspects. And Breshke is certainly coming to conclusions, "willing to lynch" is a pretty strong conclusion. Read Breshke's filter for yourself and it's obvious. I don't think it is that obvious. Like nearly nothing in this game is. No clue were VE ran off to, or what his alignment is other than geript and ritoky saying he is clearly town from meta. No clue were Eversince is at, or what her alignment might be. Have to wait for The Shining to come and play. No clue about FF. The geript vs Trfel makes no sense. Like your super strange fear read of him... cant wrap my head around that. Your whole scott/geript thing sounds super strange tbh. Also currently in yo filter. I feel like your reads are a bit frozen in time. It is like you have decided to dislike VE and geript from the very start. Though geript gave you reason to. On the other hand I quite like a bunch of interactions and questions... Breshke does not look amazing to me. Tried to explain why when I put my vote on him. Farah is super waffly. I have some sympathy for that, but so far I know I am the only person who is that waffly as town. xD MoosyDoosy is prolly town but annoys the living hell out of me. :p And the thread is super dead... Well time to make some dinner... and yeah yeah I am just setting up to keep my options open, I know *rolleyes* | ||
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On November 19 2015 03:45 FarahBlackwing wrote: Confirmed Town: Scott Farah I think They Are Town: Shining Geript Moos NocturneMage I thought they were town now they are falling VE Eversince Ritoky Not Sure Disformation Breshke Trfel Good Chance of Scum FF I haven't done much research this game like I did last game, Ritoky could move into the Not sure and so could VE. Ever I hope comes back. And its still forming a bit and the game is rather hard at this juncture. Okay, thanks. If you want to look at my previous games, I have links to them in my profile. Dinner makings and eatings now. | ||
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On November 19 2015 03:39 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + What the heck is a "fear read" anyway?On November 18 2015 23:55 disformation wrote: Now what I found in Trfel's filter: On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote: Wait, what the heck? This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here. Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town. Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas. He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia. So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched? I don't like this one bit. Isn't that whole post basically a fear read on geript? Fear reads are bad mkay. Is he trying to sow distraction? Not a fan but I need to read his filter for conclusions. Sry missed this. Eatings right now. A fear read is basically this "geript is super good as mafia, he could pull this off as mafia!" part you put in italics. You know as in I fear he could be mafia, because that would be very bad for town, so I need to be super suspicious of him. You don't apply this directly to geript but indirectly via this scott association thing. But you don't have any other evidence of geript being mafia than this association-fear read thing. | ||
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On November 19 2015 05:06 FarahBlackwing wrote: Ok, ##vote breshke claim vigilante On November 19 2015 03:45 FarahBlackwing wrote: Confirmed Town: Scott Farah I think They Are Town: Shining Geript Moos NocturneMage I thought they were town now they are falling VE Eversince Ritoky Not Sure Disformation Breshke Trfel Good Chance of Scum FF I haven't done much research this game like I did last game, Ritoky could move into the Not sure and so could VE. Ever I hope comes back. And its still forming a bit and the game is rather hard at this juncture. I am not sure I understand. | ||
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On November 19 2015 05:14 FarahBlackwing wrote: I was telling the vigilante to claim not that I was vigilante *facepalm* thanks, carry on. | ||
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On November 19 2015 05:21 The Shining wrote: I just got into work 20 mins ago. I've got a lot of reading to do but I should be here all day, as long as work stays slow. Also looking at the EoN post and the OP, I kinda have a speculation here. Geripts body went missing. The vigs role description is Rroy Mustang, burns up a guy. VEs body was found. Am I wrong for thinking scum just told us the setup? I think geript was the vig shot(body disappeared cuz it was burned up) and VE was townread but not by all and inactive towards end of day. Maybe a medic dodge? Should I even be speculating on this? Lol Welcome back. I'd rather have you put out some reads and stuff, since there is not much to read from you and I am not in love with your EoD post. | ||
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MoosyDoosy (4): FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes Breshke (1): geript, The Shining (0): Trfel (0): VisceraEyes (0): mooseydoosey (0): disinformation (0): So the wasted votes minus Eversince were town. This tells us that town is... + Show Spoiler + Super good at voting+ Show Spoiler + ACE DETECTIVE Especially if MD is indeed town, which I think is likely, anyone on of the remaining people could be maffay, from looking at the vca alone. *sigh* | ||
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On November 19 2015 05:38 The Shining wrote: I don't think anyone is. Hell I even wasn't, I rushed through it. And I had a feeling this was another inactive Scott d1 town lynch and I ended up being right but I took a chance which didn't pay out =/ but the other option was Moosy, and his posting since he started playing makes me feel better about him. I just wish he hadn't waited until N1 to do so. I do like that he also took the time to post 2 cases on both Farrah and yourself, though if I'm being honest I haven't fully read his case on you. I was more interested in his Farrah case, since I already had suspicions on you and had her as town. And I'm known for being very wrong early game lol Kinda had the same problem, which is why I tried to switch to Breskhe, but ended up switching back to scott anyway. So fair enough I guess.^^ | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:13 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 05:48 disformation wrote: On November 19 2015 05:38 The Shining wrote: I don't think anyone is. Hell I even wasn't, I rushed through it. And I had a feeling this was another inactive Scott d1 town lynch and I ended up being right but I took a chance which didn't pay out =/ but the other option was Moosy, and his posting since he started playing makes me feel better about him. I just wish he hadn't waited until N1 to do so. I do like that he also took the time to post 2 cases on both Farrah and yourself, though if I'm being honest I haven't fully read his case on you. I was more interested in his Farrah case, since I already had suspicions on you and had her as town. And I'm known for being very wrong early game lol Kinda had the same problem, which is why I tried to switch to Breskhe, but ended up switching back to scott anyway. So fair enough I guess.^^ Yeah actually because of this post I'm going to filter dive disfo and hopefully find some time to check his past games, too. Like, I suspected you. I said I still have suspicions of you. Are you normally this nice and agreeable with people that think you're scum? It's a scum trait, IMO, to try to appease thread sentiment and avoid conflict. Why aren't you curious what exactly I'm suspicious about RE: you so you can explain it? And you started hedging your read on me because of my lack of activity and wanting to see reads from me. I just dropped a big post in response to ritoky. I think I've done enough to be read one way or the other so are ya gonna waffle on me again? Yes, I am nearly always this nice and polite. I got in a few "fights" with boxerfred in NSM10 (who was maffay) and I really dislike dealing with my sweetheart moosydoosy over there. Other than that this is basically how I roll. Should maybe RP as an angry, cocksure, arrogant bastard the next time I roll town... | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:08 Breshke wrote: disformation can you explain to me exactly what you mean when you say "waffly" Being but a leaf in the wind. Basically: On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote disinformation Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard. But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least. She votes me, then unvotes me, votes Breshke, votes Scott and so on, being very unsure about things. Notice that she didn't post a lot of reads before I asked her to. This changed just now when she straight up went ahead and votes breshke today. So I can start getting waffly (as in not sure if I want to keep the maffay read) on her again. | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:30 Breshke wrote: Farah are you going to explain why FF is the vigi? On November 19 2015 06:24 FarahBlackwing wrote: Everyone except Ritoky, Eversince and FecalFeast have entered the thread at this point. You claim your shot as soon as you can as vig so that mafia can't create confusion later on with claiming the shot. We can eliminate Ritoky from the list of consideration because he hard town read VE throughout the day even if he dropped a bit due to inactivity. Eversince hasn't been here and didn't respond during the night which makes her highly unlikely to be the vigilante FecalFeast is the best candidate left currently. | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:46 Breshke wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 06:25 disformation wrote: On November 19 2015 06:08 Breshke wrote: disformation can you explain to me exactly what you mean when you say "waffly" Being but a leaf in the wind. Basically: On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote disinformation Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard. But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least. She votes me, then unvotes me, votes Breshke, votes Scott and so on, being very unsure about things. Notice that she didn't post a lot of reads before I asked her to. This changed just now when she straight up went ahead and votes breshke today. So I can start getting waffly (as in not sure if I want to keep the maffay read) on her again. I think I might be reading this wrong or ive missed something. To me the bolded implies you had a mafia read on farah? When was this and for what reasons Night 1, because she was as waffly, if not even more than me. I looked at the behaviour of ppl at vote time and founds hers to be really suspicious as in "oh I dont really care which townie I vote for". Though she strangely avoided MD. Link to my huge post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=48#948 Also currently working on a response to The Shining on ritoky. | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:05 The Shining wrote: These are half an hr apart. I'm not sure I like ritoky anymore. He mentions Ever not being around, not doing anything and wondering when he can start being a dick to her. And half an hour later he picks apart my admittedly ehhh EoD post but the last line is just. No. I don't want to self meta but I never believe anything strongly d1, d1 is the worst day for me, especially when it starts on a Sunday and I'm limited on time through most of it. But how can you question my scumread on Ever right after bringing up her uselessness and doing nothing and not being here? It doesn't add up. "I don't want to self meta but I am going to self meta." ritoky also didn't dislike that you dislike ever, he dislikes that that is the only read you seem confident in, as per his last paragraph. On November 19 2015 06:05 The Shining wrote: He also claims Farrah was bad for having regret on the Scott town lynch and claims he tried to get a switch. This is not true. He voted Scott 3 mins before EoD and voted Moosy literally on the hour at EoD yelling OGOD TOWN FEELS. This was WAY too late to get any shenanny done, it looks like he just wanted off the Scott wagon once he realized it was going through. Did you miss this scott post like 2min b4 deadline: On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: I just got back to see the votes starting on me. When I flip town will you guys lynch Trfel tomorrow? He sure is reminding me of NSM IX I posted - so I'd appreciate you all re-evaluating him. I'm pretty sure Ritoky, Geript, NM, and disinf are all town. Make Moosy fucking do something, please. Moosy/Breshke/Trfel are the lynch list right now, but I have a tingly feeling one of the vets has me/us fooled for now. This post is what caused ritoky to go like "nooo town feels" and vote MD. If he would do this as mafia or not is of course WIFOM. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: As far as explaining his points vs my posts, he includes himself in the obvious townread pile. Geript flipped VT and I still think NM is towny af. I'm known for being wrong so if I'm wrong on any here its ritoky. And I don't understand how maybe 2 lines each explaining my read on geript, nm, ritoky is over explained. I didn't post an entire town case like he did on VE. VE also flipped town. It's bull to pick on my VE read there because I wanted VE to be there to talk to while I was there EoD. But he wasn't, which is why I said I wished he was around. So that is mentioning the activity dropoff. And sure it was a giant post but outside of the initial hard townreads, I left spaces in between every read. It's not that hard to find your name if you're actually town and reading. Fair enough. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: Scott? W.e I lynched him, I lynched town, sorry but I'm not gonna go too much into this. I took a chance, it didn't pay out, I was thinking Moosy could be town, I'm not gonna defend it anymore than that. Fair enough. Am guilty of the same thing. Problem is that since it seems all the maffay members (-eversince if she is maffay) were on scott and MD. So someone having a super bad excuse on MD or scott has to be maffay. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: Eversince yup because like you said useless and not around. The excuse can only go so far, especially since ritoky himself said he hates excuses. I'm sorry if I'm being a bit of a dick towards ES for that but with a wasted vote, no reads, no idea if she even knows or cares what's going on, it could very well be scum with no motivation becuz of irl stuff. I agree that eversince could very well be super dangerous for town. But lynching her is a coin flip and we have two other maffay around. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: Town Moosy did this last game. I had reservations. Not gonna re explain this either. Fair enough. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: I like the Farrah posts he hates. OK? I'm becoming suspicious of ritoky so I actually like that we don't share that read. Going to side with ritoky on this. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: Scott not trying to solve the game is strange because Scott likes to solve the game. Ya scumlean. FF was lazy af and didn't really do anything last game until d2 or 3. He was town. So ya town lean. Simple eh? Not able to verify your meta read atm. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: Town Trfel is kinda like me, gets better as the game goes on if he's town. I want to reread him before I give a definite read on him because he posted a lot after my last post but its just as important to see HOW he was going at one of my townreads, not just that he was going at my townread. Will remember this. Not following up on such things gets one scum read quite fast, or so I am told. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: Scott flipped town. So now I'm more suspicious of disfo. The Switzerland bit is pretty funny tho. I agree that the Switzerland bit is quite funny. So, did I forget something? Oh, yeah, I am supposed to come to a conclusion right? Hah, I kinda forget that part every time. Why are you trying this hard to defend a post you admitted to being bad? Like being overly defensive gets oneself scumread, or so I am told. I mean I don't get why you dislike ritoky other than having other reads? The first two points are you missing a post and not getting his point. For VE he pointed out you were kinda unsure about him. Like dunno, I am used to being unsure about shit all the time. *shrugs* He also is right with the scott stuff, although I shouldn't judge you for that since I have done very similar stuff. I agree on MD and Eversince (mostly) but disagree on Farah. And can't verify your meta reads. So to me you both are just not agreeing with each other. Don't see why I should be suspicious of ritoky for criticizing your post. On the other hand I am not quite sure what the point of this post is. If I missed something important or misunderstood, could you highlight that part for me and/or explain it to me like I only had 4hours of sleep and run purely on coffee? | ||
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On November 19 2015 07:44 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 07:38 Fecalfeast wrote: On November 19 2015 06:20 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm pretty sure fecal is the vig which makes the game pretty easy. I'm catching up sorry I had a lot of business to take care of today. I am not the vig can you make me fall in love with you today. i gave you a town pass cuz you courted me and were funny, but you're starting to make your way toward my PoE at a quicker and quicker rate. so plz defecate town rainbows if you're town. Since farah is currently an uncced blue, I would very much like this, too. | ||
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On November 19 2015 07:49 FarahBlackwing wrote: Never lynch an uncc blue your dumb otherwise. Can I never lynch an uncc blue and still be dumbe? Pretty please? Also: what do you think of the recent Breshke posts? I have a vague idea, but I'd like you to humor me. | ||
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On November 19 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote: On November 19 2015 07:49 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then can you please answer the points that MoosyDoosy brought up?Never lynch an uncc blue your dumb otherwise. Can you please explain how it is beneficial to try and figure out who the vigilante is? because at worst the vigi is just a confirmed town which lowers the lynch pool by 1 (2 if farah is legit). at best the vigi baits a cc from mafia and we get a 1:1. there is actually 0 reason to not claim as vigi post-shot unless they are trying to avoid having me tell them why they are stupid for shooting geript or ve. And since town is currently pretty headless and clueless (well at least I am) a lowered lynch pool would be appreciated. But I did neither shoot the deputy nor the sheriff and it is up to the vigi to decide this. | ||
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On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote: Disfo you get half a town point just for being the only one to mention that post tbh. I'm not gonna quote it and stretch the thread out but this is in response to 1072. A half point?! That is like one brazillion more than I got this whole game so far. On one hand I want to hold onto it, but on the other hand I am quite positive it will be gone quite soon. On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote: First point. Right I dont want to but I did anyway cuz I felt it necessary to point out. Yolo. And considering ES was one of the only players I had directly interacted with, it would make sense that she was the read I was most sure of. Okay, fair enough. On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote: No I didn't miss that post and I won't go into wifom territory on whether scum ritoky would do that or not. The point I was trying to make is that he himself claimed he tried to get a switch. But he can't really say he did that when that Scott post and his switch were all at the last possible minute. It just looked like he said that to make himself look good. A bit tinfoily, but I can see/understand that now. On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote: Skipping the fair enough. Fair enough. On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote: I agree with you there. But if Moosy is in fact town, then I'm more inclined to think the early voters that never moved are more likely scum than the vote switchers. Like if town is getting lynched regardless, scum has no motivation to move back and forth a bunch of times. That is a good one! Will look at my vca post and see who that would apply to. On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote: So you think Farrah is scum then? I believe someone asked you before to show when and where your null read on her became scum. Can you do that now? What do you think of her blue claim? I had her as scum N1. Will link that (again, I think I linked it for breshke a few pages ago)... actually will put the relevant part in an extra post. Currently my official read on her is: wtf bananaboat. Which is like 3rd party, but slightly tastier and floating on water. Or rather uncced vet with plays that make no sense for either town nor scum. But I might look at it again, if I am able to figure out what the correct bait for a wtf bananaboat is. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=48#948 Note that I also made one mistake in this post, as written in the post after that wall. On November 18 2015 23:37 disformation wrote: Decided to leave farah's filter for later. Looking at the votes yesterday. Warning this will be a wall. Starting from yesterday afternoon approximately 7 hours before deadline we were at: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 22:13 LoneMeow wrote: Day 1 Votecount MoosyDoosy (3): The Shining (1): FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes mooseydoosey (1): scott31337 (0): Trfel (0): VisceraEyes (0): Not Voting (6): geript, scott31337, Breshke, The Shining, Trfel, FarahBlackwing It looks like MoosyDoosy will be facing the court-martial for treason in leading the vote with 3 votes! Voting is Mandatory! Do not forget to vote! Vote tracker may be found here. I will now continue to look at the votes that followed and the excuses/explanations for them.
Conclusions Farah If I am but a leaf in the wind, then what is Farah? + Show Spoiler + scum! Like seriously I did waffle around a fair bit, but she is all over with her votes... Looking at Farah's and Trfel's filters next. My mistake is in the red line. She did not like scott from the start and she doesn't care if it is scott or breshke. Which makes that thing look a bit better but still... Looks to me like she throws her vote around a lot trying to figure were it will stick and not really caring which townie gets lynched, but strangely avoiding the MD wagon. Actually... if she was scum wouldn't it be better to just stick to scott from the very beginning? Hmm... Well... that was my read at the time, currently she is a wtf bananaboat. Will I ever be able to stick to a read? Find out in the next episode of Waffle Boy. | ||
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On November 19 2015 09:48 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote: I agree with you there. But if Moosy is in fact town, then I'm more inclined to think the early voters that never moved are more likely scum than the vote switchers. Like if town is getting lynched regardless, scum has no motivation to move back and forth a bunch of times. That is a good one! Will look at my vca post and see who that would apply to. On November 19 2015 05:44 disformation wrote: scott31337 (6): MoosyDoosy (4): FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes Breshke (1): geript, The Shining (0): Trfel (0): VisceraEyes (0): mooseydoosey (0): disinformation (0): So the wasted votes minus Eversince were town. This tells us that town is... + Show Spoiler + Super good at voting+ Show Spoiler + ACE DETECTIVE Especially if MD is indeed town, which I think is likely, anyone on of the remaining people could be maffay, from looking at the vca alone. *sigh* Early voters that never moved. Why that would be MoosyDoosy. -.- ritoky only moved to "try and save" scott. scott is conf. town and nai... leaving Breshke: he did vote MD around 5h15 b4 deadline and went to bed. If I look at my huge ass post again (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=48#948), that starts considering votes from 7h before deadline to deadline, I think this can still be considered early. Next post from Breshke is well into N1. I also don't think that all the mafia are on the scott train. | ||
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On November 19 2015 10:11 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 09:48 disformation wrote: Currently my official read on her is: wtf bananaboat. Which is like 3rd party, but slightly tastier and floating on water. Or rather uncced vet with plays that make no sense for either town nor scum. But I might look at it again, if I am able to figure out what the correct bait for a wtf bananaboat is. as glowingbear told me in my newbie 13 game, scum play to survive. even if we go through a cycle, say we fuck up again and mislynch, night phase passes and she's not taken out, if she gets one mislynch out of that, she's gotten her team closer to victory. 2 mislynches left in that scenario. alright now eversince. Oh right. If we don't lynch her today and mafia doesn't shoot her, we have to worry about her again tomorrow... crap. For me it is currently either her or Breshke. Since I am not happy lunching into uncc blue... ##vote Breshke Will cobble together a case. | ||
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I am currently living in a world where: MoosyDoosy, Farah, geript, Trfel and me are town. So what happens? Nearly all the conflict and posts are town on town, which also explains why the thread feels so dead at times. I also still think ritoky and NocturneMage are town for their posting. Which leaves FF, Breshke, The Shining and Eversince by PoE. Well, since town is at each others throat all the time, why post? And I really think that Breshke has a good chance of flipping scum. | ||
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On November 19 2015 10:31 NocturneMage wrote: also disformation.... from newbie 13, I was caught out as mafia on voting analysis. I am decently sure the way moosy's been playing he is probably town now. If that's the case, when both wagons are town, there's a decent shot to look at people who didn't give a shit about the lynch or who got lynched or for players that can hide it well, who had a "fake" reaction to try and get one player lynched over another or a bad reason given read progression. now farah's been cited for this, but who else would this apply? there were some isolated voters obviously and those people will always come into question but two of these are known town now. and eversince, who knows. Breshke parked his vote on MD relatively early and went to bed. FF yolo voted without catching up onto the thread. FF giving zero fucks: On November 18 2015 08:09 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 08:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 18 2015 05:00 Fecalfeast wrote: Shining with the distraction play What did you mean by this? How do you read Shining now? I started reading it before i realized it was :59 and made a joke. Haven't read the pages I slept through yet tbh so I don't think any reads I have right now are useful. I think shining not sitting back and letting scott go to the gallows instead of making a big post seems towny to me but I haven't actually even read the post yet Breshke "reaction": On November 18 2015 13:32 Breshke wrote: Hi im here and catching up my keyboard is a bit wonky atm so i might be even more illiterate than normal. Moosey do you think I am town or mafia? | ||
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On November 19 2015 10:37 Trfel wrote: How did you arrive at FarahBlackwing being town? tinfoil + uncced blue Other great theories: She and MD are a scumteam and are competing on how hard they bullshit town into oblivion. | ||
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What if eversince is the real vet and not around to cc? Also going to stop ranting and grasping at straws like a madmen. Sry for cluttering up the thread... | ||
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Should have gone to bed earlier yesterday. 13 hours of mafia after 4 hours of sleep might not have been the greatest of ideas. At least I now 100% believe the vet claim. So: ritoky, was worried when he fell off, but since he got back I only got town vibes, so he stays town. moosydoosy. Still not a fan of my sweetheart, but still think he is far more likely to flip town than scum. damdy. vet. trfel. in my tinfoil world he is town. him being the vig would make tons of sense to me. that being said, I am still confused by a few of his posts. I have a half finished filter dive on him saved somewhere, will look at that some more later. FF. Like null? I know he is supposed to be lazy as town, but I could easily see him as mafia coasting by at this point. Eversince. I also hope there were no problems with the surgery and stuff, but there aren't that many options left and that could bite town in the ass soon. I also remembered that we are supposed to have at least 5 posts per day/night cycle and get modkilled if we don't, as per the rules in the op. Though hoping for a replacement/modkill is probably not the safest/best way to handle this. Breshke. Okay, I admit the stuff I said yesterday about him parking his vote on MD, might just be because of timezones. Still high chance of flipping scum though, since I haven't seen anything that made my stomach tingly and the points from D1 still stand. The Shining. Still want to see a bunch more from him to decide. Not compelled in either direction atm, but the PoE is getting smaller... So yeah if the vigi is someone of the bottom 4 1/2 ppl in this list I would love for him to claim, since this would greatly improve our chances to hit mafia today. So imo we either deal with Eversince today, as damdy suggested or we lynch one of Breshke/FF. | ||
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On November 19 2015 23:19 NocturneMage wrote: I think if I had to lynch anyone and avoid the policy lynch (which it basically what it is) on Eversince, I would go for Breshke. Compared to Trfel, he seems less towny although I couldn't initially grasp from ritoky as for why he'd lynch Trfel over Breshke aside from him wanting to lynch Farah whose claim was scummy when it was made. I could understand Fecalfeast's vote on him for that reason although I mentioned that Breshke, the same thing mostly applies except the claim analysis. geript tried to get Breshke lynched d1 and now that we know geript is town and considering his type of read and my initial reservation on Breshke (talking around geript/VE), and geripts history of 30 games, I'm going to assume the meta read is more or less accurate or at the very least we know it was an honest thought from him. not to mention scum really fall off late game, and Breshke's last post irrespective of timezone was.... ....16 hours ago.... I'm looking at Breshke's posts from 1009 and onwards. He's saying disformation and farah are both scum. But they are both scumreading each other. Learnt the hard way from newbie 14 that there was some double bussing going on. there's no explaiantion from Breshke as to why he thinks they are on after each other and disformation has since been a bit more towny. If Farah's claim was true, and without a counterclaim, we have to proceed as if it is true, it was a poor decision, but at least Damdred has a strategy/conditions for when/if/how the vig should claim. I understand it. and this go? Breshke's pushes are a LOT weaker than round 1. he's not as invested in either of them. I think what trfel said is valid, let the moderators deal with Eversince and lynch Breshke unless there is a mechanical reason we have to deal with her now. (do we know if mods modkill or replace or does that even matter? no idea how that shit works.) Oh forgot you in my list. You are very much town and I very much agree with this. Also, if we believe in geripts meta read on Breshke. Shouldn't we also agree on his meta read on The Shining? Which would make The Shining town. Thus, if Trfel is indeed vigi or VT the scum team is: FF, Breshke, Eversince. Case closed. Let's get drunk. | ||
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On November 19 2015 23:31 NocturneMage wrote: I would avoid a full PoE team when we are one mislynch outside of mylo with a possible modkill. unless I am strategically off target, either go for the highest percentage of scum or go for the policy lynch. as for geript, to be honest....he was town but he could be wrong on people. the reason I suggested his read on Breshke was good is because Breshke's behaviour currently supports what he stated day 1 and it matched my initial concern on Breshke (avoiding the important issues). Yes. I agree. Breshke and Eversince are my prefered lynches for today. (note taht I am currently voting Breshke) I could be wrong on The Shining and Trfel, but the situation I outlned above is what currently makes the most sense to me. Which doesn't mean I will be unwilling to re-evaluate the situation depending on the flips. I can also totally see giving The Shining one more day to do more towny stuff. Kinda the same for FF actually, though I currently like The Shining more. For the Eversince thing: I'd like for Damdred and ritoky to explain to us newbs, what they think is best in this situation in great detail. I think that would be helpful. | ||
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For what it is worth: I played two games with scott. In both he got lynched D1. In one he was town in one he was mafia. In NSM9 where he was town, he played for a bit. Got scum read for it. Vanished, returned a few mins before deadline, gave a hard scum read on me and got lynched. In NSM10 where he was scum, he played for a bit. Got scum read for it. Vanished, never returned. Got lynched. I start to feel bad for always lynching him D1. I have no idea how a D2 scott looks like... But as a result Trfel's meta read on scott is super strange to me. =D | ||
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On November 20 2015 01:21 NocturneMage wrote: I'm going back for my second seminar. I want every person to comment on post 1203. I also just noticed that FF is straight up voting Trfel. As a result I feel more like Breshke/FF or Trfel/+1 (probably Eversince). I really really wish the vigi would claim since it will make this mess sooo much easier. -.- Will read your post carefully and comment on it after doing the rest of my chores. | ||
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On November 20 2015 01:20 NocturneMage wrote: Part 1 of 3: Trfel's expectation on Scott The link to geripts initial callout leads to another of your posts? And while we are at it: what is the so-called WIFOM/NK analysis? Can you explain, or at least post a link? On November 20 2015 01:20 NocturneMage wrote: Part 2 of 3: Trfel's case on VisceraEyes - misinformed or malicious Yeah, he was wrong on VE. But I have 0 clue as to how to figure out if he should have known better or not. You could play 100 games with sicklucker and still don't know how to read him. I have like 0 experience with VE, so I have no clue how hard/easy he is to read. On November 20 2015 01:20 NocturneMage wrote: but right now? if meta expectations hold and given that trfel has used meta at least once on geript this game (that post where he said "geript should know X" remember that?)....it's not looking good for trfel. Can you link that for me? I went through trfel's filter with a Strg+F on "geript" but wasn't able to find that. Wasn't he saying scott should now better about geript and that makes scott mafia? On November 20 2015 01:20 NocturneMage wrote: part 3 of 3: Trfel's defence of Breshke - does it make sense? Well, Trfel is imo the only one defending Breshke, so that is something good to keep around, but currently that is an unflipped association, which is bad, mkey. On November 20 2015 01:20 NocturneMage wrote: I hope you understand me. Negative. Like you are trying to say that Trfel is wrong on purpose, but I don't see how the number of games he played with x or y should indicate at how good he is able to meta them. That being said I do not know how good of a player Trfel is. | ||
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On November 19 2015 14:12 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 14:08 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 19 2015 14:07 ritoky wrote: well i am at work for the next 9 hours so if you do stuff or got questions i will intermittently respond. pretty much where i am at is: ever is a problem because of inactivity and if we miss today we bring a coin flip to mylo, debating whether town trfel pushes on an un-cc'd claim and tending a bit toward mafia indicative, i told ff to poop town and he didn't which is a problem. and then i don't like shining that much. let me know where you are when you can. Who would you pick between Trfel and Breshke? Hm...gut says there's a scum between them. trfel, not even close. ritoky when you are around could you please explain why? Thanks. Also: does that mean Trfel is your prefered lynch for today? | ||
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On November 19 2015 23:05 disformation wrote: Hi Damdred, Hi sicklucker Should have gone to bed earlier yesterday. 13 hours of mafia after 4 hours of sleep might not have been the greatest of ideas. At least I now 100% believe the vet claim. So: ritoky, was worried when he fell off, but since he got back I only got town vibes, so he stays town. moosydoosy. Still not a fan of my sweetheart, but still think he is far more likely to flip town than scum. damdy. vet. trfel. in my tinfoil world he is town. him being the vig would make tons of sense to me. that being said, I am still confused by a few of his posts. I have a half finished filter dive on him saved somewhere, will look at that some more later. FF. Like null? I know he is supposed to be lazy as town, but I could easily see him as mafia coasting by at this point. Eversince. I also hope there were no problems with the surgery and stuff, but there aren't that many options left and that could bite town in the ass soon. I also remembered that we are supposed to have at least 5 posts per day/night cycle and get modkilled if we don't, as per the rules in the op. Though hoping for a replacement/modkill is probably not the safest/best way to handle this. Breshke. Okay, I admit the stuff I said yesterday about him parking his vote on MD, might just be because of timezones. Still high chance of flipping scum though, since I haven't seen anything that made my stomach tingly and the points from D1 still stand. The Shining. Still want to see a bunch more from him to decide. Not compelled in either direction atm, but the PoE is getting smaller... So yeah if the vigi is someone of the bottom 4 1/2 ppl in this list I would love for him to claim, since this would greatly improve our chances to hit mafia today. So imo we either deal with Eversince today, as damdy suggested or we lynch one of Breshke/FF. To expand and update on my current read list: Town damdy uncc Vet. Came into the game and started to solve it right away. Also mentioned the Breshke/Trfel association before it was cool. Town. NocturneMage Look at his scum game in NSM13. Interactions: no. solving the case: no. activity: no. This game? Interactions: yes. solving the case: trying to, so yes. activity: very. Town. MoosyDoosy I don't like his tone, I don't like his methods, I didn't like his D1 tantrum, but at least he is annoying/pushing the ppl he thinks are scum and is trying to solve the game. So that is a grudgingly given townread. ritoky Was worried at one point, cause he kinda fell off the thread, but when he came back I kinda immediately felt the town vibe. It is kinda hard to describe and partially tone based, but it is how he is interacting with ppl and how he kept his cool during the Farah claiming situation D2 and tried to find the best play for town. Willing to give another day to impress me FF Did a filter dive on him and didn't found it to be as horrible as I previously thought. Despite yoloing his vote on scott he expressed his dislike of scott multiple times before. Also a few interactions and I guess he is a more conversational player. Problem is he is so lazy he could just as well be a lurky maffay. So far he has also fallen off a bit in activity on D2, but has a vote on Trfel with a decent explanation. Not loving, not hating it, but he kinda is on the lower end of my list and comes up in my PoE. So I would like him to do stuff in the near future.Scum lean. The Shining Had some decent interactions with him D2. damdy and geript have a town meta read on him. Would like him to do a bit more now, since he hasn't played MO/TUE and therefore not much posts, but I like him more than FF. Town lean. Bananaboat Eversince Last post was like 4 days ago. I hope she is well but this state does not help me figure out the game. disformation I am quite waffly about this one. Is he trying to solve this game or is he trying to smother the thread in huge, but useless wall posts? No clue. I am also subtracting a half townie brownie from everyone else for not coming up with the later read. Trfel Currently conflicted here. Wrong/Frustrated town or not? This is probably a big thing to figure out for town as a whole. Scum Breshke geript posts a meta-read on him saying he is mafia. Farah and me look into it and find that it appears as if he was interacting with his scum reads, but never really changes his stance. geript is dead and Breshke is currently scum reading farah and me. Incidentally the three ppl who where voting for him D1. I know I am a He also dismisses Farahs reasons for voting him as a rehash of geript's meta read on him. Well, since Breshke's filter has basically nothing but a bunch of questions leading nowhere, there is not much else to talk about? Also if you remember Farah's reason to vote for him D1, you can see that is was not purely based on geripts meta read. + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke. ##Vote Breshke There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos. In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos. Yes, geript mentions that in his meta read, but asking questions without following up on them or doing something with them is a scum tell. You don't need meta for that. So I am very happy with my vote on Breshke. For reference mostly talking about this post, since there is not much else: + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2015 14:37 Breshke wrote: Moosey i don't get why you don't just play like this from the start, like I really like that post it makes you look so fucking townie and that's shit because now from my POV all three wagons mine, moosey and scott were all town. Shining as well but that wasn't really a wagon and he has dropped off even if it was expected. At the moment I think there is scum in the people who attempted to sheep geripts case on me. Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke. ##Vote Breshke There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos. In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos. This is weak as fuck. I don't recall any times that I didn't follow up on a moosey question and fairly sure the only time I didn't follow up with FF was because he was when I asked him to give a scott read but at the time he was filter diving someone else and when he eventually did I was already gone and FF isn't exactly around that often. Also i didn't settle on moosey I had been saying he was scum and the fake anger from him (which he ahs confirmed as being fake) DID remind me from the previous game where he was scum. This is just geripts meta case but written in a different way and passed off as her own. It is over explained and it could have jsut been a "yeah geript is right' but Farah felt the need to over justify this read. There is also a stage where Farah talks about using the PR on moosey to deal with him which i had explained was a terrible idea in my filter which she had apprently just analysed yet failed to take into account when making that comment. I'm running out of time and also have opinions on disformation and agree with a lot of mooseys last post. Also stuff about Geripts meta read but I need to go to work again soon. Basically I'm not sure if geripts meta read is shit or if my play has just been crap because of exams and working late shifts ruining my ability to wake up early when everyone is around because geripts read on me sounds like he is calling me shit town I.E not doing anything. I don't think he is mafia. Geript how confident in your meta read on meare you really when I have 2/20 mafia games in the database. All you have to base your shit on is town games. | ||
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On November 17 2015 23:26 Breshke wrote: Ritoky I don't think ignoring moosey and hoping for a PR to resolve it is the way to go. purely because in every setup with the cop if they get a green on moosey its a waste because it doesn't mean shit until a GF flips. I really don;t think shining will flip scum if he is lynched and think moosey is a far fa better lynch. On November 17 2015 23:28 Breshke wrote: ##Vote MoosyDoosy Does anyone have anything to ask me i got held up at work and its 1am here and will probably go to sleep soon and will most likely not be here until after deadline. On November 17 2015 23:30 Breshke wrote: Also as NM said go look at mooseys fake rage in that game i think it is similar to here from memory. It is just like misplaced anger at absolutly nothing that sidetracks the game and gives him an excuse to post but not do anything. | ||
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On November 20 2015 06:47 NocturneMage wrote: first quote in post 1228 disformation is pretty hilarious if scum Breshke knows there isn't a cop. Yep. And the third one is parroting you... Moosy forgot to put in the ##. | ||
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That was an obvious joke. ritoky can you explain why you want to lynch trfel? FF thoughts on Breshke? | ||
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Also would like for you to explain why you prefer lynching Breshke. And furthermore... do you have any solid town reads? Trfel: am I right to assume that you have a solid TR on the ppl not mentioned in: On November 20 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I always give replacements a day pass.On November 20 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote: On November 20 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote: Like, I'm pouring so much time into this game. During my exam week, when I said I'd be busy. And now I'm being lynched because "geript said..." When geript didn't do a single towny thing all game long? I don't care that geript's flipped town, that DOES NOT make him right. AS PROVEN BY MY ROLE PM. Use a bit of sense. so who's mafia then? why did you back off damdred if his slot's play made no sense? There's absolutely no reason not to do so. Often times, a replacing player gives a new perspective to the slot's alignment that I simply couldn't see before. I keep looking at Breshke's play, and it seems to be getting worse and worse. The big thing that stands out are the unfulfilled activity promises, he keeps vanishing. But this is exam time for him, he barely signed up to play anyway. Activity aside, his play feels very genuine and there's a natural progression to the way that he pushed his scum reads on Day 1. MoosyDoosy has seemed quite towny with the push on FarahBlackwing, but since Damdred's replacement MoosyDoosy has been pretty awful. The claim included. Shooting someone for information is terrible. But I don't see any reason for him to claim there as mafia, he wasn't really suspected by anyone and the bad claim can only hurt him in the end. By process of elimination, I'm down to disformation, Fecalfeast, Damdred, and Eversince. The last two of which are terrible lynches today for reasons previously mentioned. | ||
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For Moosy... do his reads evolve? I kinda feel like he has the same reads all game. He called farah and me scum since D1. Also: On November 19 2015 06:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: Small thoughts on VE/geript. We definitely have a vigilante here. There is little reason for Mafia to have killed VE so geript was definitely the shot. I won't delve too much into NK WIFOM right now as I want to pursue my scum read but he was looking into Trfel and Breshke. I'm actually kind of glad VE died because I wasn't sure how to read him and he really dropped off. That was an okay vigilante action. He only started looking into Breshke and Trfel after Farah became unavailable as lynch due to being uncc: On November 19 2015 08:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm going to look into Breshke and Trfel. Farah is still scummy as fuck but it would be best to keep her around for one more day and see what she does especially if she's un cc'd. | ||
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Still would nice to hear opinions on the rest as I fear that I might be somewhat biased regarding my sweetheart. Will be on phone a bunch tomorrow. Should be back home around 4 hours b4 deadline. | ||
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i really dislike that ff stopped doing stuff after his two good posts. he clearly was around and could have looked into the ppl he has no solid read on... so despite liking what he did I don't want to give him a TR. | ||
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1) Yes, I remember him liking my post with the null read on him, that everyone else hated. Maybe he was trying to buddy up to me, so I give him a town lean instead? I also think 2) are 3) are valid points. But my problem is that I don't agree with your points on Breskhe and think that he has a very high chance of flipping mafia. So while I don't like FF, I am not sure I want to vote FF over Breshke. Btw... where the hell is Breshke? Also The Shining. Me no like. On November 20 2015 23:43 Damdred wrote: Morning. The vote is a bit worrying I suppose but I'll think and post in a bit Can you explain what worries you? Did you get anywhere with your inquiries? | ||
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On November 21 2015 00:52 disformation wrote: Looking at Trfel's defense on breshke again. Yeah, looked at Breshke's filter again and I am not seeing the love. On November 21 2015 00:59 Damdred wrote: Why won't you just answer my questions, I have read Breshke and there's not much in the way there of towniness. So what exactly do you like now? And dis of course it's nerve racking some people I'm not sure of are on here and unless the scum team is exactly Breshke Trfel and ever something isn't right. Well, I can really agree to the bold part. Trfel is really confusing to me this game. FF is lazy as fuck and/or maffay. Breshke hasn't been here for... what... like 30 hours or something? The Shining is like barely playing. Eversince is MIA since Sunday... Oh wow. I didn't realize that basically everyone and their Mom is currently voting Breshke. *sigh* With Breshke gone this long I can see mafia bussing him (if Breshke is maffay), but that is of course a load of WIFOM. This game is starting to give me real headaches. | ||
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On November 21 2015 01:09 disformation wrote: Trfel is really confusing to me this game. FF is lazy as fuck and/or maffay. Breshke hasn't been here for... what... like 30 hours or something? The Shining is like barely playing. Eversince is MIA since Sunday... So imo the maffay team is within these 5 ppl, but unfortunately the town players in that pile don't make the game easier... Not that I am a bastion of towniness myself... | ||
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On November 21 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote: Well disf are you saying you think Trfel is scum? He is a wtf bananaboat... I have no idea what he is trying to do/achieve this game. Tonal he sounds like frustrated town and I like his case on FF and how he is annoying us into reading that. Though.. like FF pushing Breshke, isn't Trfel pushing FF just selecting the easiest target? But I just don't agree with his defense on Breskhe and don't get why he would defend him so hard. The geript/scott stuff D1 was also super strange and I only was able to understand what Trfel meant after he explained it for the billionth time somewhen D2. Trfel's PoE is also super scary. He has an uncc blue in it and I know I am VT. Let me read his filter once more, maybe I will be able to make up my mind. No promises though. | ||
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Removing trfel from my list PoE thus says maffay is in: Breshke Fecalfeast The Shining Eversince | ||
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On November 21 2015 02:26 NocturneMage wrote: The last question is probably the best question there. I would have to take a look at his read on Moosy or if he even had one. And disformation did he? I thought Trfel said he gives replacements a days pass? On November 20 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I always give replacements a day pass.On November 20 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote: On November 20 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote: Like, I'm pouring so much time into this game. During my exam week, when I said I'd be busy. And now I'm being lynched because "geript said..." When geript didn't do a single towny thing all game long? I don't care that geript's flipped town, that DOES NOT make him right. AS PROVEN BY MY ROLE PM. Use a bit of sense. so who's mafia then? why did you back off damdred if his slot's play made no sense? There's absolutely no reason not to do so. Often times, a replacing player gives a new perspective to the slot's alignment that I simply couldn't see before. I keep looking at Breshke's play, and it seems to be getting worse and worse. The big thing that stands out are the unfulfilled activity promises, he keeps vanishing. But this is exam time for him, he barely signed up to play anyway. Activity aside, his play feels very genuine and there's a natural progression to the way that he pushed his scum reads on Day 1. MoosyDoosy has seemed quite towny with the push on FarahBlackwing, but since Damdred's replacement MoosyDoosy has been pretty awful. The claim included. Shooting someone for information is terrible. But I don't see any reason for him to claim there as mafia, he wasn't really suspected by anyone and the bad claim can only hurt him in the end. By process of elimination, I'm down to disformation, Fecalfeast, Damdred, and Eversince. The last two of which are terrible lynches today for reasons previously mentioned. | ||
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On November 21 2015 02:25 Damdred wrote: Shining isn't scum like pretty sure about it at this point. I mean a ff Breshke and ever team isn't the worst idea. But I'm not so sure entirely. Disfo talk me through your read progression on Trfel and ritoky. I am kinda worried I missed something and someone is screwing town hard. But who? NM and ritoky are very town to me. Your reasoning just now makes me also think you are very town, on top of being uncc. MD is also uncc and constantly pushing ppl he thinks are scum, although I feel his reads do not change much and he fell of D2. My role PM tells me I am a VT. I just excluded Trfel from my PoE cause his play makes a lot less sense as scum. So unless Eversince is a PR and either MD or you took a HUGE risk in fake claiming there are like no options left. I also think out of those 4 The Shining is the most town and am still willing to give him a day to town up the thread. I think I called ritoky town all game, since he gave me no reason to do so otherwise. Give me a moment to write up the progressions though. | ||
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On November 21 2015 02:34 NocturneMage wrote: Disformation he says Breshke's activity keeps getting worse but he doesn't say the interactions are getting worse (not lack of them but quality of them). He focuses on day 1 but not day 2. That is what I struggled with. Also I am pretty sure Damdred's question was with respect to his vote day 1 not now and that Trfel quote is day 2? I quoted that Trfel post for the PoE list that is including uncc Vet Damdred. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=18#359: On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote: Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated. ritoky: Getting an investigating/engaging/driving the thread feel, so town lean. ritoky: town for tone and how he was approaching/interacting with the thread. the trfel read is explained in more detail here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=22#433 On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 23:34 NocturneMage wrote: Alright, so ritoky is certainly town for 362, I'm moving geript back to null until he can explain why he thinks the Trfel push is malicious, not seeing further explanation yet in his filter. disformation why is Trfel's post "strange"? You are a newer player like myself so ignoring meta, can you expand on what you thought was wrong with it? I can try. So TS posts this: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 06:22 The Shining wrote: On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote: Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him. I like this. Trfels entrance was a one liner asking you to explain your read. And the posts are worryingly short. Is this the same Trfel that likes to post crazy WoT to start games and do stuff to get conversation and reads going? Because that is the town Trfel I know and this isn't him. A few mins later Trfel posts this: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote: VisceraEyes VisceraEyes makes two posts showing suspicion of The Shining. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote: Farrah your logic is flawed. I rolled scum a few games ago which means I'm due for another 10 town games, which this is. Your instant vote is pretty uncalled for so early, with so many people missing but I'll chalk it up to interesting entrance. How far you plan on pushing this obvious policy lynch? Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard? No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia. On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me. After these posts, VisceraEyes treats The Shining like he is town, specifically by telling The Shining how to properly play as town. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote: As for finding scum not town, it's infinitely easier to narrow down your search by correctly identifying townies. This is known. On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote: If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town. Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 Furthermore, Eversince's post on FarahBlackwing has a very large logical flaw, in that The Shining hadn't posted at the time. Eversince is comparing a townread based on actual posts to a vote with zero reason from this game, which does not work. VisceraEyes knows much better than this. This isn't VisceraEyes pushing The Shining, this is VisceraEyes reading incorrectly and flailing wildly at The Shining with words that don't match his stance. Hm looking at the timestamps that could have been ninja... Well what I meant at the time with strange: 1) the timing 2) the targets. What is strange with the targets? Well he basically helps defending TS from mean VE, after TS expressed his dislike of Trfel. So in maffay motivations this trfel post could have been motivated to a) "hey look I am doing Trfel town stuff" and b) "hey TS I am totally on your side, ease up your suspicions on me." Even with the TS post being a ninja motivation 1) still is possible, since the geript post. Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either. So I find the timing and the motivation of Trfel's post odd, but as always fail to come to a solid conclusion on Trfel. On November 17 2015 03:06 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote: So to summarize: ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF Should add at least a bit of reasoning: All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions. (MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.) Other thoughts: Eversince will probably just get a pass from me for D1 because of the surgeries along with some points for trying to be here and do stuff. I didn't mind Farah, but want to see more in the near future. Still a bit waffly (btw: for ppl that don't know me: I am The Waffleboy) on The Shining, but he is a town lean for me atm. Also waffly about Breshke. Kinda liked scotts entry, so townlean unless he just vanishes for the rest of the day. I know scott is a low volume poster and I have a bit of a problem with that, since it often leads to me feeling like I don't see a proper read progression. NocturneMage, geript, ritoky and VE town. rit town read and despite not reaching a conclusion on Trfel earlier he shows up in the list of ppl that I dislike. A bunch of ppl rightfully complain about this and I try to explain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=32#626 On November 17 2015 10:16 disformation wrote: 3. The Trefel business. Lets start with 3 in order to confuse ppl even more. Should have been more clearer in my wording of the "three ppl that I dislike the most" thing. I was slightly suspicious of Trfel as pointed out in: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=22#433 Being slightly suspicious of someone is no mafia read. He still was one of the three ppl I did like the least at that time. So what I wanted to say: I don't have a solid scum read on him, but he shows up in my PoE since I also don't TR him and have suspicious as I indicated earlier. On November 17 2015 10:58 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 10:31 ritoky wrote: On November 17 2015 10:26 disformation wrote: On November 17 2015 10:24 NocturneMage wrote: Besides Moosy, at the moment, there are others that I have questions on like VE (like FF can't be his only scumread), geript to a lesser extent (he's not lynchable but I want the whole Trfel thing to check out), disformation, the scott followup on Trfel. And VE completely dodged Breshke's questions upon re-reading. I'll be around another one or two hours, so if you have questions, feel free to ask. 3 never lynch today people and top 3 lynches today plz. a line or 2 on why, thanks bb Kay: Never Lynch Today Hasn't changed much from my last posts. 1) ritoky: Strong thread presence, prodding ppl looking for answers, I genuinely believe he wants to figure out ppls alignment. 2) NocturneMage: Super more active/interactive compared to NSM13. Not by a bit but by a HUGE margin. 3) geript: Came in the thread pretty strong, prodding ppl for different things, but hasn't been here today. I hope he drops by later though. Top Lynches: This is kinda difficult right now. Rethinking a few things... 1) MoosyDoosy: Does he even count? Feels a bit like a policy lynch as stated earlier. So alternatives to MD... The Shining hasn't been here in ages... I am warming up a bit on FF... Scott hasn't done much after he got that hasty town lean from me... not sure on VE, conflicted if I like ritokys (and geripts) meta read more than trfl's case... I should probably like the meta read more since it is by two guys on my never lynch today list... won't lunch ES today... mh... probably next up is scott and I feel like an idiot now. -.- 2) scott bonus: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=23#441 Not sure what the point of this post was. Buddying up to me? 3) Either still FF or someone else... taking a shower, will think on this, brb On November 17 2015 11:03 disformation wrote: Bonus note: I have no real clue where trfl's reads are at... rit: town. trfel: no idea where his reads are at: no like still suspicious. On November 18 2015 01:37 disformation wrote: Trfel
Agenda seems to be figuring out the game and pushing his prime suspects. Town pile for today. Did a filter dive on Trfel and decide that his pursuit of VE is rather town than scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=45#890 On November 18 2015 08:57 disformation wrote: Trfel Thought he was town before all the EoD stuff happened. Need to look at it again and re-evaluate. Not sure if I'll be able to get that done before EoN though. On November 18 2015 23:55 disformation wrote: Now what I found in Trfel's filter: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote: Wait, what the heck? This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here. Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town. Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas. He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia. So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched? I don't like this one bit. Isn't that whole post basically a fear read on geript? Fear reads are bad mkay. Is he trying to sow distraction? Not a fan but I need to read his filter for conclusions. That is when I was greatly confused by the geript/scott association thing Trfel posted. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=60#1187 On November 19 2015 23:05 disformation wrote: ritoky, was worried when he fell off, but since he got back I only got town vibes, so he stays town. trfel. in my tinfoil world he is town. him being the vig would make tons of sense to me. that being said, I am still confused by a few of his posts. I have a half finished filter dive on him saved somewhere, will look at that some more later. I later expand on this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=62#1222 On November 20 2015 05:05 disformation wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 19 2015 23:05 disformation wrote: Hi Damdred, Hi sicklucker Should have gone to bed earlier yesterday. 13 hours of mafia after 4 hours of sleep might not have been the greatest of ideas. At least I now 100% believe the vet claim. So: ritoky, was worried when he fell off, but since he got back I only got town vibes, so he stays town. moosydoosy. Still not a fan of my sweetheart, but still think he is far more likely to flip town than scum. damdy. vet. trfel. in my tinfoil world he is town. him being the vig would make tons of sense to me. that being said, I am still confused by a few of his posts. I have a half finished filter dive on him saved somewhere, will look at that some more later. FF. Like null? I know he is supposed to be lazy as town, but I could easily see him as mafia coasting by at this point. Eversince. I also hope there were no problems with the surgery and stuff, but there aren't that many options left and that could bite town in the ass soon. I also remembered that we are supposed to have at least 5 posts per day/night cycle and get modkilled if we don't, as per the rules in the op. Though hoping for a replacement/modkill is probably not the safest/best way to handle this. Breshke. Okay, I admit the stuff I said yesterday about him parking his vote on MD, might just be because of timezones. Still high chance of flipping scum though, since I haven't seen anything that made my stomach tingly and the points from D1 still stand. The Shining. Still want to see a bunch more from him to decide. Not compelled in either direction atm, but the PoE is getting smaller... So yeah if the vigi is someone of the bottom 4 1/2 ppl in this list I would love for him to claim, since this would greatly improve our chances to hit mafia today. So imo we either deal with Eversince today, as damdy suggested or we lynch one of Breshke/FF. To expand and update on my current read list: Town ritoky Was worried at one point, cause he kinda fell off the thread, but when he came back I kinda immediately felt the town vibe. It is kinda hard to describe and partially tone based, but it is how he is interacting with ppl and how he kept his cool during the Farah claiming situation D2 and tried to find the best play for town. Bananaboat Trfel Currently conflicted here. Wrong/Frustrated town or not? This is probably a big thing to figure out for town as a whole. So in summary: I think ritoky is pretty towny this game, but that is a pretty tonal read. Maybe I should be more careful with that, but I haven't seen anything to call him scum for. Trfel I have a hard time reading, since I can't wrap my head around a bunch of his cases, like the defense on Breskhe and the geript/scott thing. If you have more questions, please shoot. | ||
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On November 21 2015 03:29 NocturneMage wrote: at some point I'll need to actually look into ritoky just to make sure he's not the one fooling us either but right now I can't see why.... also disformation or whoever said that moosydoosy or damdred would chance eversince never returning and fakeclaiming....that's sort of on the lines not playing to moderator actions as either alignment. we don't know what the mods will do, or at least I don't. lets say the moderators modkill eversince and she flips vigilante.... ....well then, that blows scumteam strategy out of the water. let's say they replace her and the replacement claims first thing. same problem for mafia. Yeah, hence why I said this would be HUGE risk and therefore highly unlikely... though I kinda can see MD going for a flashy/crazy play like this, especially with the late claim. But unless there is a claim by Eversince/A replacement I won't actually go there. Just me being paranoid and not liking MD. :p | ||
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On November 20 2015 10:51 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2015 10:42 disformation wrote: Yo, FF any suspects outside Breshke and Trfel? Also would like for you to explain why you prefer lynching Breshke. And furthermore... do you have any solid town reads? Trfel: am I right to assume that you have a solid TR on the ppl not mentioned in: On November 20 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote: On November 20 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote: I always give replacements a day pass.On November 20 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote: Like, I'm pouring so much time into this game. During my exam week, when I said I'd be busy. And now I'm being lynched because "geript said..." When geript didn't do a single towny thing all game long? I don't care that geript's flipped town, that DOES NOT make him right. AS PROVEN BY MY ROLE PM. Use a bit of sense. so who's mafia then? why did you back off damdred if his slot's play made no sense? There's absolutely no reason not to do so. Often times, a replacing player gives a new perspective to the slot's alignment that I simply couldn't see before. I keep looking at Breshke's play, and it seems to be getting worse and worse. The big thing that stands out are the unfulfilled activity promises, he keeps vanishing. But this is exam time for him, he barely signed up to play anyway. Activity aside, his play feels very genuine and there's a natural progression to the way that he pushed his scum reads on Day 1. MoosyDoosy has seemed quite towny with the push on FarahBlackwing, but since Damdred's replacement MoosyDoosy has been pretty awful. The claim included. Shooting someone for information is terrible. But I don't see any reason for him to claim there as mafia, he wasn't really suspected by anyone and the bad claim can only hurt him in the end. By process of elimination, I'm down to disformation, Fecalfeast, Damdred, and Eversince. The last two of which are terrible lynches today for reasons previously mentioned. I'm not gonna make up scumreads. I haven't reread you, I haven't reread eversince, I haven't reread shining and I haven't reread moose but those are people I would look at. Towny: NM, ritoky townlean based on real time reading: disform damdred(did he reject the vet claim? I didn't see) ????????? moose ever shining scummy trfel breshke This list is hardly informed I've only been diving a couple filters Did you get the time to dive a few filter and have new opinions? | ||
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NSM13 D1 for reference. Also... that was the answer I was fearing Damdred. Kinda parnoid now. | ||
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Do you know someone who was maybe trying from preventing that from happening? | ||
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On November 21 2015 05:17 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 05:14 disformation wrote: So. The roleblocker is dead. That means they need two shots for our vet. Do you know someone who was maybe trying from preventing that from happening? Lol is this a trick question? Trfel. NM to a lesser extent but he's still town to me. Pretty big Breshke wagon too. Unless ES is scum, I'm inclined to think someone bussed No rhetoric questions, as everyone should know the answer. On November 21 2015 04:56 NocturneMage wrote: You've eaten brooms before disformation? Are you baked or something? Nah. Not literally. Will tell the story after the game or something. | ||
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scott31337 (6): MoosyDoosy (4): FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes Breshke (1): geript, The Shining (0): Trfel (0): VisceraEyes (0): mooseydoosey (0): disinformation (0): Breshke (5): Trfel (2): farahblackwing (1): Fecalfeast (1): Trfel farahbackwing (0): Not Voting (2): Breshke, Eversince D2 votes imply that if there was no bussing of the Roleblocker it has to be Trfel and Eversince. Otherwise at least 1 person had to bus. From the timing I would suggest one of the last three votes on Breshke for the bus. | ||
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Oh wait... didn't FF do a good post on Breshke and ritoky was super suspicious of FF? But then rit did vote together with FF? | ||
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On November 20 2015 11:13 ritoky wrote: pretty good post by trfel about ff. + trfel angry might mean trfel the town out of trfel/breshke and i was just wrong. pretty good post by ff about breshke. hate that it took a good case on him to prompt it though. On November 20 2015 14:17 ritoky wrote: it still really irks me that ff only did something after he got cased. random thought: if breshke is mafia, ff can still easily be with him. On November 20 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote: ##vote: breshke also in support of a shining or ever lynch. might be convinced of an ff lynch. Why is he voting Breshke together with FF who he suspects and kinda wants to lynch, too? And why is he suggesting to lynch two ppl who are very afk at that time? | ||
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On November 21 2015 06:08 disformation wrote: Also ritoky was trying to push for trfel over Breshke earlier D2... On November 20 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2015 07:03 disformation wrote: ritoky can you explain why you want to lynch trfel? 2 reasons primarily: 1) The following sentence is probably the most awkward/scummy sentence in the entire thread. Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote: Wait, what the heck? This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here. Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town. Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas. He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia. So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched? I don't like this one bit. 2) Trfel procedurally understands the game enough to not push relentlessly on an uncc'd blue. There's a difference between "I scum read this person for a couple posts to make sure they hold their claim" and what he was doing. He was legitimately applying pressure. I had begun to consider the tinfoil world where he might be doctor, but damdred enters the game maintains the claim, and he backs off. So it wasn't cc based, it wasn't good play, so it was probably just mafia. Reasons why I greatly prefer trfel to breshke: 1) I think trfel has done mafia things, I don't think breshke has done much of anything. Breshke is in the pile of ff and ever of not doing anything to significantly impact the game and 1 or 2 of them are probably mafia. 2) 1 of the primary reasons for people pushing breshke (geript's isolated questions and blah blah read) was just factually false. 3) I don't think trfel and breshke are together and I think trfel is mafia. I say this primarily because of setup. It is a set-up with only a 50% chance of having investigative power and a guaranteed GF. This means that distancing and busing are more optimal than hard defense and aligning; and trfel has been REALLY defending breshke (like since p1 of his filter defending) pretty much all game. I think both trfel and breshke are good enough players to recognize that about the setup and I sincerely doubt that trfel hard defends his partner so early. Probably a case of mafia trying to pocket town. imo lynch pool right now should be something like: trfel - reasons above ever - already said why ff - hasn't shit town rainbow yet, disengaged shining - same as before + extra dropoff + not scum hunting. | ||
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Holy fuck! geript gave us 4 meta reads D1 and it looks like every single one of them is correct. | ||
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On November 21 2015 06:25 The Shining wrote: Ritoky and 1 of ES/FF. Damdred and Moosy are blue. I have a really tough time finding mafia motivation in any of NMs posts. I think Breshke spewed disfo town. Trfel likely frustrated angry town. That's what poe leaves me with. Quoted for truth. | ||
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On November 21 2015 06:48 Damdred wrote: Can you show me where disf got spewed town though I think he's town. Uh, that is actually a good question. Went trough breshke's filter real fast and wasn't able to find it. Looked more like he ignored me for a very long time, asks me 1-2 questions and decides to call me scum. Well, whatever, I am still very town and agree with The Shinings post. | ||
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On November 21 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote: so it's actually like 98% impossible disformation is ever mafia, maybe even 99% My role PM says, it is 100% impossible for me to be mafia. But where did that come from? It is a bit out of the blue for me? If I recall correctly the last time I was on the very bottom of your town list. | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:45 disformation wrote: Before the replacement I would have shot Eversince. Now I am curious what Onegu has to say. With the hypothetical gun that is. | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:47 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 09:46 Fecalfeast wrote: On November 21 2015 09:41 disformation wrote: Was glancing at this thread from the side. Suddenly ticktoc. Hi Onegu. No additional input on ritoky vs shining? Beat me to it. Was playing Wasteland 2 for a bit. Impressions after skimming the exchange again: Don't think ritokys "case" on The Shining is a strong one, but I want him to calm down and write up a proper one to look at that. Slightly confused as to the switching of FF and NM in his PoE though. He also has Trfel in that PoE... I guess D3 will be a hard one. | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:55 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 09:47 The Shining wrote: On November 21 2015 09:46 Fecalfeast wrote: On November 21 2015 09:41 disformation wrote: Was glancing at this thread from the side. Suddenly ticktoc. Hi Onegu. No additional input on ritoky vs shining? Beat me to it. Was playing Wasteland 2 for a bit. Impressions after skimming the exchange again: Don't think ritokys "case" on The Shining is a strong one, but I want him to calm down and write up a proper one to look at that. Slightly confused as to the switching of FF and NM in his PoE though. He also has Trfel in that PoE... I guess D3 will be a hard one. Wait... I might have missread that list post from him... was that purely for the hypothetical gun question? | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:14 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 10:09 ritoky wrote: yo shining, imagine a world i am town (like i did earlier w/ you and cuz it is the real world) what 3 lynches win the game? I just started imagining this world after the disfo stuff I just posted. Disfo, Onegu(this damn question mark), NM. NM is a gut feeling and wouldn't ever go before the other 2. Fecal could also replace NM but I'm really liking him lately. Or maybe Trfel? But after the Breshke flip, I'm pretty sure Trfel is town. Hard defense and pushing off of him on 6-1 is too suicidal. The real tinfoil killer team is disformation/MoosyDoosy/ritoky with eversince/onegu as the real vigi. + Show Spoiler + If someone takes that serious I am going to be very not pleased. And when I say I am like a leaf in the wind, I mean it. When I looked at _my_ readprogression of ritoky I looked at _my_ filter for _my_ posts on him. And as I admitted my ritoky read was mostly tonal. So when I looked at his filter _after_ the breshke flip I was able to see some things I wasn't able to see before. | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:20 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 10:11 ritoky wrote: disform's read have been flipping on a dime all game based on thread sentiment; it is nothing new. he is probably just easily influenced town though cuz of the post where he suggested lynching himself early and his sheeping onto breshke day 1. of non-conf town he is the most town in the game; not even close to being close. I mean, isn't that normally a scum tell? It is for me. And he was well aware that he's done it in all his past town games so its not like he can't use that card to his advantage. How early/late did he sheep onto Breshke? I have to check that, cuz a vote is always changeable until EoD. And I'll go reread the post where he suggested lynching himself because he's been pretty much a pass for everyone recently. I'm wondering how genuine that suggestion was. On November 21 2015 05:50 disformation wrote: Added some colour. Went ahead and painted myself green. :p scott31337 (6): MoosyDoosy (4): FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes Breshke (1): geript, The Shining (0): Trfel (0): VisceraEyes (0): mooseydoosey (0): disinformation (0): Breshke (5): Trfel (2): farahblackwing (1): Fecalfeast (1): Trfel farahbackwing (0): Not Voting (2): Breshke, Eversince D2 votes imply that if there was no bussing of the Roleblocker it has to be Trfel and Eversince. Otherwise at least 1 person had to bus. From the timing I would suggest one of the last three votes on Breshke for the bus. 3rd D1 on Breskhe 1st/2nd on D2, depending on how you count Farah | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:32 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 10:28 ritoky wrote: On November 21 2015 10:20 The Shining wrote: On November 21 2015 10:11 ritoky wrote: disform's read have been flipping on a dime all game based on thread sentiment; it is nothing new. he is probably just easily influenced town though cuz of the post where he suggested lynching himself early and his sheeping onto breshke day 1. of non-conf town he is the most town in the game; not even close to being close. I mean, isn't that normally a scum tell? It is for me. And he was well aware that he's done it in all his past town games so its not like he can't use that card to his advantage. How early/late did he sheep onto Breshke? I have to check that, cuz a vote is always changeable until EoD. And I'll go reread the post where he suggested lynching himself because he's been pretty much a pass for everyone recently. I'm wondering how genuine that suggestion was. Normally it is a scum tell yes. But he is a new player right? And haven't like all other new players subbed out of this game so this is basically a 0 newbie game? I can see being swayed. Idk, maybe...it is just hard for me to see many new players have the gusto to suggest lynching themselves immediately. And he was very quick onto breshke...also kinda quick off too. Iirc this is his 5th or 6th game? So that does make sense. But if he were scum, it would be his first game. This is def reaching but you never know if he was overwhelmed by rolling scum and took a gambit with suggesting we lynch him. That's not something I can ever tell or prove tho. Like, his waffliness only makes me waffle on him so hard. It's a vicious cycle. =/ This is my 4th game. | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:39 The Shining wrote: Srsly tho, this game shouldn't be this hard after a scumflip. This. After the flip I was like: "Fuck yeah! Scum can basically go and concede now!" Now I am kinda confused. Breshke did a good job not giving us much to work on... | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:50 Damdred wrote: I will give an updated list once I get home but...the game is hard and I feel waffly Yeah. It is 3am here, so I will probably go to bed very soon. Will try to come up with some updated stuff tomorrow afternoon. Tomorrow I won't be around for EoN. Saturday evening and I actually have plans. Will probably be around until like 2h before EoN and back later. Slight chance of phone posts and probably won't be able to resist checking who got shot. | ||
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Kinda worried that Onegu hasn't done anything yet like 12hours after he replaced in, but I don't remember where his timezone puts him. So the Eversince/Onegu slot remains an enigma. Will try to put out some current reads. | ||
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Damdred uncc blue. Damdred logic is stronk. MoosyDoosy interested in seeing what he does when he comes back. uncc blue. disformation my role pm says town. The Shining Somewhat biased because activity. Didn't like his EoD1 post, but we talked about that a bit D2 and I agreed that most of it was fair enough after he explained it a bit. Looks a bit more active and investigating this night, motivation spur from town lynching the roleblocker I think. Currently town lean. NocturneMage Him being scum is pretty tinfoil to me. If he is scum he would have improved his scum game by like 2000% since NSM13. He is also very active and trying to figure out/look at things from different angles. That being said I will probably read his filter later when I am back, just to make sure nothing slipped through my fingers. wtf bananaboat Onegu I hope I don't need to explain this one. FF If he wants to, he can do very good posts (eg the one on breshke). It is a bit troublesome that he only did so after pressure was applied to him. But I have seen other town act this way (sicklucker in nsm10 day 2). ritoky The tone says town, but I wish he had a bit more impact this game and his stuff on FF D2 seems questionable. Trfel Either town with a bad day or suicidal scum. Looking forward to see what he brings when he returns. Would still shoot Onegu with the hypothetical gun. :p Will look at FF, ritoky, Trfel and NM filters again... | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:27 The Shining wrote: Mmmmm. If only you weren't so aware of your own meta >.< it really throws me off. Plus, not having a past scum game to refer to. Those are pretty early solid votes on Bresh, though... I am not sure if I am able to replicate my meta and the waffling in situations where I actually have perfect information. scumformation or disformafia could be really awesome if manage to get it right, though. I was actually hoping to roll scum and find out this game, but I got VT. | ||
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On November 22 2015 01:44 Trfel wrote: Hi. I've got plans for today. If scum shoots me, we'll all be super happy anyway. I guess Damdred is just town. Which leaves me to a POE list of Fecalfeast, disformation, and Onegu. There's quite likely at least one hole in my POE list, some of the points raised against ritoky were pretty good. I'll take a look this evening, hopefully. Yeah, I too feel like I have overlooked something somewhere. But currently I am not seeing it. @MD: If you had a second shot, who would you shoot right now? | ||
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On November 22 2015 02:10 Damdred wrote: I'm here but will be afkish until after deadline tbh. if I was scum I would shoot me today then finish me tommorow so I wasn't in lylo with them! LOL Mages is a bit odd, his play in general has been pretty towny looking. But the eod is a bit odd, he did start actually pushing trfel on a counter wagon even though I suggested it but he didn't really push that hard either. Maybe because I was pushing against a trfel lynch. There could be something there but I need to reread him again. ALSO town points for anyone who will do leg work to look who auto accepted my claim as vet, ignored it and those who were like has to be not true. YOUR claim as vet or your slots claim as a vet? Got like 30-40mins before I go, might manage that. | ||
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NM: "This doesn't feel right." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=53#1049 On November 19 2015 07:00 NocturneMage wrote: given timing, I think she's trying to draw out a blue folks. This is something I learnt in newbie 13/14 anyhow. Discuss. On November 19 2015 08:07 NocturneMage wrote: on mobile. this is beyond irritating. Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 07:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Read what I wrote and apply it. Information is king withholding information when you are a glorified vt now is anti-town especially the leathery out wait the more mafia can mess with town. no. this is not entirely true. I learnt in nsm14 (the host in the qt mentioned this, unless people here want to say rsoultin is a bad player but somehow I don't think that's the case???) that wifom analysis is powerful. if you are scum and you find a blue, it gives it an easier way for scum to hide because killing blues generally means there's no excuse for certain people to live or not. additionally the real vet isn't going to claim with 46 hours left in the cycle, piss off, come back and keep saying never lynch an uncounterclaimed blue. you aren't finding scum and your methods don't push town agenda forward in any form. additionally in a best case scenario town can find the roleblocker first and an unclaimed veteran represents currently a 14% chance of stopping kp. unless I've fucked up analysis - I find no town motivation for the way you've approached this. I find enough justification for lynching you. answer me this farah - why did you claim with 46 hours left (an hour ago) in the cycle and why aren't you finding scum? in your method you wanted to know fecalfeast was vig or not, he said he wasn't. so where does that get you? what is your purpose? you aren't saying dick all on that. On November 19 2015 08:39 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: Ritoky is correct. Even if the claim feels like buttcheeks it's still uncc'd The only other thing I can think of is wait one cycle and if she is still alive lynch her. I don't understand how or why she isn't moving forward in her world view. Anyways looking at other people in the meantime since we don't win until all three are dead. ##unvote fuck this is irritating. ritoky: On November 19 2015 07:02 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 07:00 The Shining wrote: On November 19 2015 06:51 NocturneMage wrote: On November 19 2015 06:43 Breshke wrote: On November 19 2015 06:24 FarahBlackwing wrote: Everyone except Ritoky, Eversince and FecalFeast have entered the thread at this point. You claim your shot as soon as you can as vig so that mafia can't create confusion later on with claiming the shot. We can eliminate Ritoky from the list of consideration because he hard town read VE throughout the day even if he dropped a bit due to inactivity. Eversince hasn't been here and didn't respond during the night which makes her highly unlikely to be the vigilante FecalFeast is the best candidate left currently. Sorry not sure how I missed this. I don't think the vigi has to claim straight away but its not worth discussing and i can see why you would think that. I do not like that post from Farah at all. This is day 2, not mylo. I might be somewhat new here, but from all the games I've obsed, I can think of a few decent reasons for the vig waiting to claim. I can't see any town motivation personally for trying to openly out the vig or any blue role for that matter. The Eversince comment is a bad one because you don't know for sure if she's reading and just choosing not to post for medical/whatever and may have just slipped a PM. Who knows. The ritoky comment is bad in the event someone tinfoiled (is that the right English word) geript and scum went bluehunting on VE, which would implicate a veteran, someone who might know VE's play to take a gander on him. You cannot eliminate that possibility. The ritoky comment is good, IMO, because he hard towned both VE and geript iirc. So why would he vig either of them? And his last post saying vigging either was dumb makes it moot since its pretty obvs he isn't the Vig then except it implies she knows VE was the vigi shot and not geript. TMI as fuck. On November 19 2015 07:06 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 07:00 NocturneMage wrote: given timing, I think she's trying to draw out a blue folks. This is something I learnt in newbie 13/14 anyhow. Discuss. it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. if she's the vigi there's no point to say anything but "i'm the vigi". if she is the doctor she just signed her death warrant. if she's veteran there's a guaranteed roleblocker and in most setups that counters vet protection so she is dead anyway unless we lynch exactly the RB today. if she's mafia being obtuse about it is less encouraging of a cc from blues, but she isn't an auto-lynch atm so claiming this early is.....idk it all just confuses me. On November 19 2015 07:12 ritoky wrote: eh she might be blue..... On November 19 2015 07:13 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: The fact that she claimed, but didn't bother going through MoosyDoosy's case point by point is really, really suspicious. I know I'm not the only one who asked for that. Would FarahBlackwing fakeclaim here as town? I would think not, but am I wrong? she is a new player, they are more prone to get ants in their pants and claim stupidly or too early than to make a fake claim that they know will get them into a screaming match w/ 40+ hours left in the day....unless you're me and fake claim cop your 2nd game ever. On November 19 2015 08:32 ritoky wrote: the only way i am lynching farah today is if someone cc's her or i hard read someone as doctor. there's literally no other reason to lynch her. trfel On November 19 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: The fact that she claimed, but didn't bother going through MoosyDoosy's case point by point is really, really suspicious. I know I'm not the only one who asked for that. Would FarahBlackwing fakeclaim here as town? I would think not, but am I wrong? On November 19 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I can't see this coming from a person who would fakeclaim here as town. That settles that.On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do. And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks. I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage. On November 19 2015 07:45 Trfel wrote: Ugh, I hate being sick, it makes it so hard for me to think T.T I'm really, really considering lynching FarahBlackwing here. The only reason for her to claim this early is that she doesn't have enough time to properly defend herself. Show nested quote + So she's really busy, but she spent time trying to guess who the vigilante is (of all things) instead of responding to the case? Instead of trying to find mafia?On November 19 2015 06:53 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'll head this off now probably not enough time to fight off a snowball. Hard claiming blue. Show nested quote + This is in no way a justification for the time spent.On November 19 2015 07:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Read what I wrote and apply it. Information is king withholding information when you are a glorified vt now is anti-town especially the leathery out wait the more mafia can mess with town. To me, it almost feels like FarahBlackwing's attempts to find the vigilante were to figure out what the thread influence would look like post-claim, which is useful to know if she's mafia. Especially if she's mafia trying to do something like fakeclaim. Fecalfeast doesn't have a large amount of thread presence, and imagining for a moment that he became confirmed town by claiming vigilante, I don't think that much would change. Meaning that mafia thread influence would be maximized, encouraging a fakeclaim. On November 19 2015 08:25 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Sure.On November 19 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote ##Vote farahblackwing Lets ride ##vote FarahBlackwing On November 19 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + But when it's this bad? And when the person claiming is being this malicious?On November 19 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: Ritoky is correct. Even if the claim feels like buttcheeks it's still uncc'd And right after we saw MoosyDoosy avoid a lynch through martyring? This simply isn't town play. Giving up a power role for this is not a trade that should even need to happen. The Shining On November 19 2015 07:11 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 07:02 NocturneMage wrote: wait he hard townread both? interesting, I stand corrected on that then. Ya in his post trashing my EoD post he said him geript and you were all town and "everyone know this" implying a hard townread. He also had geript on a town list before then. But it is interesting that Farrah knows VE was the Vig shot and hard claimed blue. If she were the Vig I don't think she'd be speculating on who the vig is, unless like NM said it was for a gotcha! Cc play. But its too early in the day and risky for it to be a scum play to try and save herself or draw out a blue. Idk I'm confused on this one. disformation On November 19 2015 07:45 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 07:44 ritoky wrote: On November 19 2015 07:38 Fecalfeast wrote: On November 19 2015 06:20 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm pretty sure fecal is the vig which makes the game pretty easy. I'm catching up sorry I had a lot of business to take care of today. I am not the vig can you make me fall in love with you today. i gave you a town pass cuz you courted me and were funny, but you're starting to make your way toward my PoE at a quicker and quicker rate. so plz defecate town rainbows if you're town. Since farah is currently an uncced blue, I would very much like this, too. On November 19 2015 10:44 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 10:37 Trfel wrote: How did you arrive at FarahBlackwing being town? tinfoil + uncced blue Other great theories: She and MD are a scumteam and are competing on how hard they bullshit town into oblivion. On November 19 2015 10:48 disformation wrote: Oh, crap. What if eversince is the real vet and not around to cc? Also going to stop ranting and grasping at straws like a madmen. Sry for cluttering up the thread... MD On November 19 2015 08:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: Okay Farah is scum lmao. There's little reason to believe her claim. She literally acted scummy as fuck during N1. Like what point is there in doing that as veteran? Best case scenario she's kept around and her role is useless. Worst case scenario vigi shoots her and both roles are wasted. Like hello? On November 19 2015 08:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm going to look into Breshke and Trfel. Farah is still scummy as fuck but it would be best to keep her around for one more day and see what she does especially if she's un cc'd. On November 19 2015 08:25 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 08:23 The Shining wrote: On November 19 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote ##Vote farahblackwing Lets ride Moosy pt2? No one can Moosy like me. XD She's cute but I can understand why she did what she did if she's actually town. @FarahBlackwing, answer this one question and I decide whether I want you dead today or not. Why did you claim this early? On November 19 2015 08:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 08:26 Fecalfeast wrote: Why were you okay with being killed day 1 as vet, farah? Yeah, this is the biggest problem as I pointed out. She acted so fucking scummy that her role was essentially useless. On November 19 2015 08:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 08:27 FarahBlackwing wrote: Either lynch me or believe me I will be as obstinate as possible until one or the other happens. This is coming from the player that says I play like shit in games I sign up for lmao. Oh wellz, my vote's staying where it is. FF: On November 19 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: Ritoky is correct. Even if the claim feels like buttcheeks it's still uncc'd On November 19 2015 12:40 Tictock wrote: Effective immediately, FarahBlackwing will be replaced by Damdred Can do this part when I am back at home later. | ||
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ritoky is a bit sceptical but arrives at the conclusion that the claim is legit. trefel goes from "nah this is not a fakeclaim" to "lynch with fire" The Shining I don't know. disformation well she is uncc MD "lynch with fire" FF well she is uncc Will later look at what happens after Damdred comes in and stays with the claim | ||
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On November 22 2015 04:18 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 05:58 disformation wrote: On November 20 2015 11:13 ritoky wrote: pretty good post by trfel about ff. + trfel angry might mean trfel the town out of trfel/breshke and i was just wrong. pretty good post by ff about breshke. hate that it took a good case on him to prompt it though. On November 20 2015 14:17 ritoky wrote: it still really irks me that ff only did something after he got cased. random thought: if breshke is mafia, ff can still easily be with him. On November 20 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote: ##vote: breshke also in support of a shining or ever lynch. might be convinced of an ff lynch. Why is he voting Breshke together with FF who he suspects and kinda wants to lynch, too? And why is he suggesting to lynch two ppl who are very afk at that time? Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 05:41 The Shining wrote: Yes. And rits d1 votes were me>Moosy>Scott. Im town, Moosy is unccd vig, scott flipped town. If he was suspicious of me enough to vote me, he should've been more worried about me voting Scott with him instead of realizing Scott was town right at deadline because of his post 3 mins before EoD. And the refusal to evaluate. And his always softing me but no push or outright reasoning for why I'm scum. I want to lynch ritoky. Confirming you are basically saying that ritoky is suspicious for voting with his scumreads on other people? Makes sense. I did not think too much of him initially because of all the vote switching he did (and others like Farah I think switched multiple times) but I'd have to take a closer look at his filter. Correct. Will answers Damdred's question next and then finish up the legwork from earlier. If there are any other questions: I am kinda around, response times might be low cause I'm writing walls. Also: GG sweetheart, I'll miss ya. | ||
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I found Trfel going from "Nah this is not a fake claim" "to lets lynch her" a bit confusing after farah's claim. | ||
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On November 22 2015 09:28 Damdred wrote: This whole game makes me want to lynch ff and trfel sorta. Its hard I currently feel like Trfel has pulled so many strange plays, I won't be able to figure out his alignment unless he flips... Current PoE is: Trfel, FF, ritoky, Onegu Unless The Shining or NM have played a very good game and managed to pull some wool over my eyes. Will probably read their filters again tomorrow to make sure. Could the game be stupid and really simple with a Breshke/Trfel/Onegu team? | ||
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On November 22 2015 09:46 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm fine sacrificing myself to the dark gods, as I said. I'd again like to kill me before we are in mylo if we go the PoE route though. Ugh, I don't know. Your tone and my gut say that I do not want to lynch you. But I do not have much else to go one besides your stuff on Breshke, which I like, too. And when I look at Trfel all I am seeing is wtf bananaboat. Also what happened to the "yo mafia you don't want to leave me alive" stuff? I would very much like it, if you had it in you to do a huge town-rainbow-dump into the thread.^^ | ||
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On November 22 2015 09:55 Fecalfeast wrote: fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine uuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh My, what a fine sample! *Looks at it through a magnifying glass usually reserved for the finest of diamonds* At least you make me laugh. <3 | ||
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On November 22 2015 09:59 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2015 09:44 disformation wrote: On November 22 2015 09:28 Damdred wrote: This whole game makes me want to lynch ff and trfel sorta. Its hard I currently feel like Trfel has pulled so many strange plays, I won't be able to figure out his alignment unless he flips... Current PoE is: Trfel, FF, ritoky, Onegu Unless The Shining or NM have played a very good game and managed to pull some wool over my eyes. Will probably read their filters again tomorrow to make sure. Could the game be stupid and really simple with a Breshke/Trfel/Onegu team? I mean everyone else(except me) has good sized filters and points where it looks they're trying to solve the game. When the game is this hard, it kinda makes you wonder if it is actually this hard. Where is Trfel at with reads? I just ate dinner, feeling kinda lazy. FF is still his scum? Who is the other? I think it was FF/disformation/Eversince and he said he feels like he is missing someone and will look at stuff again. | ||
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On November 22 2015 10:01 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2015 09:59 The Shining wrote: On November 22 2015 09:44 disformation wrote: On November 22 2015 09:28 Damdred wrote: This whole game makes me want to lynch ff and trfel sorta. Its hard I currently feel like Trfel has pulled so many strange plays, I won't be able to figure out his alignment unless he flips... Current PoE is: Trfel, FF, ritoky, Onegu Unless The Shining or NM have played a very good game and managed to pull some wool over my eyes. Will probably read their filters again tomorrow to make sure. Could the game be stupid and really simple with a Breshke/Trfel/Onegu team? I mean everyone else(except me) has good sized filters and points where it looks they're trying to solve the game. When the game is this hard, it kinda makes you wonder if it is actually this hard. Where is Trfel at with reads? I just ate dinner, feeling kinda lazy. FF is still his scum? Who is the other? I think it was FF/disformation/Eversince and he said he feels like he is missing someone and will look at stuff again. On November 22 2015 01:44 Trfel wrote: Hi. I've got plans for today. If scum shoots me, we'll all be super happy anyway. I guess Damdred is just town. Which leaves me to a POE list of Fecalfeast, disformation, and Onegu. There's quite likely at least one hole in my POE list, some of the points raised against ritoky were pretty good. I'll take a look this evening, hopefully. | ||
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On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote: Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him. On November 18 2015 14:39 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 04:23 Trfel wrote: On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote: Look at geript's read on scott31337. It's all association, there is no response to the actual case on him. Geript is avoiding defending scott31337's play, because he knows that it can't be done.Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up. All association? No. I quite frankly referred to this post + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2015 14:42 scott31337 wrote: I apologize for my last post - I got enough energy to notepad. I'm town. Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 09:19 Trfel wrote: On November 17 2015 09:17 FarahBlackwing wrote: The problem is that he knows this, and he knows that people will say this......Because he did something similar to this last game we played as town, and from what I understand have been informed on he tries a bit harder as scum doesn't roll over. Ugh, this is so frustrating. Weak. Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote: On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote: Breshke, who are your scumreads right now? If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine. It's mostly less active people. Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry. FF still being lazy so would lynch. Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. I also am waiting for VE to be around again. This is the Breshke I know I thought from his first post - He's thinking about the game and townie thoughts. Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 09:26 Fecalfeast wrote: Honestly Farah's filter is pretty nice to look at. I mean, the lynch list is kinda butt because I am leaning town on bresh and am fairly certain that I'm town but being wrong is allowed. Is there a case on farah or anything that I'm blatantly missing? arr.. And my virtual townleans have not said anything (Geript, etc.) So I think I'm fooled at least by one. I'm going to sleep - at Page 30 of Ritoky's wall of text. I've had a lot to drink and calling it a night. I'll continue from there. Trfel's been trying but like I said - could be his scummy cases he's done it before Fuck Moosy and his lazy ass town game We will not have it. Geript fell the fuck off once he got townleaned NM has been playing his towngame I'll be up in about 12 hours and bitch that I'm not online and posting. Well suck it I was busy helping out my cousin that I just found out had MS. Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 00:55 Trfel wrote: ##vote scott31337 I won't be able to catch up by the deadline. But scott31337 hasn't shown critical thinking, and his activity has been pretty awful. This post shows a lack of critical thinking in particular, he's trying to say stuff, trying to make an argument, but all he really says is that MoosyDoosy is town because he's town, and because he did the same thing last game as town (which obviously does not make him town). Scott31337 still hasn't taken a stance on me, despite saying that he would many hours ago. Given the lack of original reads and thinking in his posts, I find him getting so upset at MoosyDoosy's play difficult to believe. What the fuck is to respond to here that wasn't already in my summary. I noted that the above quoted scott post was decent which negates the critical thinking thing. Scott's activity being awful is by no means alignment indicative. Trfel's jumping on him for 1 post that's lacked critical thinking. On that run Trfel should absolutely be lynched because Trfel hasn't had 1 good post that requires actual thought. Trfel is literally just picking at minor things that don't matter and aren't alignment indicative. Scott not taking a stance on Trfel is literally irrelevant. Trfel's "case" on scott isn't a case. It's not even a set of good points against scott. Trfel should 100% be shot tonight period. On November 18 2015 15:24 geript wrote: I'm going to sleep but i really think Trfel and Breshke are really good vigi shots/lunches. This was all N1... | ||
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On November 22 2015 10:18 Fecalfeast wrote: I sed dat stuf after geript ded but ok Huh? Lemme see. On November 20 2015 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote: I will kill bresh or trfel because geript confirmed the mafia kill makes it more likely he was offed for his reads, since mafia knows we have a vet* they wouldn't worry about a medic dodge. *assuming farah's claim was real Okay, you are right. Sry. | ||
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On November 22 2015 10:26 Fecalfeast wrote: Also stop making new posts it's distracting me =D Oh right I was supposed to do two wall posts. Will go to work on that. You also get a townie brownie cause I like the album you posted. Gut feeling right now says we should totally lynch Trfel. | ||
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On November 22 2015 07:45 Damdred wrote: This is where I am starting the day at Damdrrd- confirmed Shining- town Now lets go from there I want each person to play a game with me, tell me why I should town read you. And who you think is most likely town (one person) and why. Okay. Why is this disformation dude town? + Early votes on confirmed Mafia Roleblocker Breshke on both D1 and D2. + Reads are not set in stone. Willing to reconsider his reads on people. Willing to look at stuff from different angles. + Very active and willing to put serious time into solving this mess. Got a few more ideas, but those are kinda wifom... Most town? - Damdred + uncc blue. + Also like in NSM13 he has this logic/voice of reason thing going on. Kinda hard to explain. xD Runner up The Shining or NocturneMage. Want to reread NocturneMage's filter tomorrow to make sure I haven't overlooked something, but otherwise I think he is the townies dude. Getting super tired. Will write more stuff on a runner up tomorrow after rereading NocturneMage's filter. I want to finish the legwork on the vet claim reactions first. =p | ||
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1) Farah hard claiming blue: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=53#1045 NM: "This doesn't feel right." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=53#1049 On November 19 2015 07:00 NocturneMage wrote: given timing, I think she's trying to draw out a blue folks. This is something I learnt in newbie 13/14 anyhow. Discuss. On November 19 2015 08:07 NocturneMage wrote: on mobile. this is beyond irritating. Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 07:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Read what I wrote and apply it. Information is king withholding information when you are a glorified vt now is anti-town especially the leathery out wait the more mafia can mess with town. no. this is not entirely true. I learnt in nsm14 (the host in the qt mentioned this, unless people here want to say rsoultin is a bad player but somehow I don't think that's the case???) that wifom analysis is powerful. if you are scum and you find a blue, it gives it an easier way for scum to hide because killing blues generally means there's no excuse for certain people to live or not. additionally the real vet isn't going to claim with 46 hours left in the cycle, piss off, come back and keep saying never lynch an uncounterclaimed blue. you aren't finding scum and your methods don't push town agenda forward in any form. additionally in a best case scenario town can find the roleblocker first and an unclaimed veteran represents currently a 14% chance of stopping kp. unless I've fucked up analysis - I find no town motivation for the way you've approached this. I find enough justification for lynching you. answer me this farah - why did you claim with 46 hours left (an hour ago) in the cycle and why aren't you finding scum? in your method you wanted to know fecalfeast was vig or not, he said he wasn't. so where does that get you? what is your purpose? you aren't saying dick all on that. On November 19 2015 08:39 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: Ritoky is correct. Even if the claim feels like buttcheeks it's still uncc'd The only other thing I can think of is wait one cycle and if she is still alive lynch her. I don't understand how or why she isn't moving forward in her world view. Anyways looking at other people in the meantime since we don't win until all three are dead. ##unvote fuck this is irritating. ritoky: On November 19 2015 07:02 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 07:00 The Shining wrote: On November 19 2015 06:51 NocturneMage wrote: On November 19 2015 06:43 Breshke wrote: On November 19 2015 06:24 FarahBlackwing wrote: Everyone except Ritoky, Eversince and FecalFeast have entered the thread at this point. You claim your shot as soon as you can as vig so that mafia can't create confusion later on with claiming the shot. We can eliminate Ritoky from the list of consideration because he hard town read VE throughout the day even if he dropped a bit due to inactivity. Eversince hasn't been here and didn't respond during the night which makes her highly unlikely to be the vigilante FecalFeast is the best candidate left currently. Sorry not sure how I missed this. I don't think the vigi has to claim straight away but its not worth discussing and i can see why you would think that. I do not like that post from Farah at all. This is day 2, not mylo. I might be somewhat new here, but from all the games I've obsed, I can think of a few decent reasons for the vig waiting to claim. I can't see any town motivation personally for trying to openly out the vig or any blue role for that matter. The Eversince comment is a bad one because you don't know for sure if she's reading and just choosing not to post for medical/whatever and may have just slipped a PM. Who knows. The ritoky comment is bad in the event someone tinfoiled (is that the right English word) geript and scum went bluehunting on VE, which would implicate a veteran, someone who might know VE's play to take a gander on him. You cannot eliminate that possibility. The ritoky comment is good, IMO, because he hard towned both VE and geript iirc. So why would he vig either of them? And his last post saying vigging either was dumb makes it moot since its pretty obvs he isn't the Vig then except it implies she knows VE was the vigi shot and not geript. TMI as fuck. On November 19 2015 07:06 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 07:00 NocturneMage wrote: given timing, I think she's trying to draw out a blue folks. This is something I learnt in newbie 13/14 anyhow. Discuss. it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. if she's the vigi there's no point to say anything but "i'm the vigi". if she is the doctor she just signed her death warrant. if she's veteran there's a guaranteed roleblocker and in most setups that counters vet protection so she is dead anyway unless we lynch exactly the RB today. if she's mafia being obtuse about it is less encouraging of a cc from blues, but she isn't an auto-lynch atm so claiming this early is.....idk it all just confuses me. On November 19 2015 07:12 ritoky wrote: eh she might be blue..... On November 19 2015 07:13 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: The fact that she claimed, but didn't bother going through MoosyDoosy's case point by point is really, really suspicious. I know I'm not the only one who asked for that. Would FarahBlackwing fakeclaim here as town? I would think not, but am I wrong? she is a new player, they are more prone to get ants in their pants and claim stupidly or too early than to make a fake claim that they know will get them into a screaming match w/ 40+ hours left in the day....unless you're me and fake claim cop your 2nd game ever. On November 19 2015 08:32 ritoky wrote: the only way i am lynching farah today is if someone cc's her or i hard read someone as doctor. there's literally no other reason to lynch her. trfel On November 19 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: The fact that she claimed, but didn't bother going through MoosyDoosy's case point by point is really, really suspicious. I know I'm not the only one who asked for that. Would FarahBlackwing fakeclaim here as town? I would think not, but am I wrong? On November 19 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I can't see this coming from a person who would fakeclaim here as town. That settles that.On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do. And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks. I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage. On November 19 2015 07:45 Trfel wrote: Ugh, I hate being sick, it makes it so hard for me to think T.T I'm really, really considering lynching FarahBlackwing here. The only reason for her to claim this early is that she doesn't have enough time to properly defend herself. Show nested quote + So she's really busy, but she spent time trying to guess who the vigilante is (of all things) instead of responding to the case? Instead of trying to find mafia?On November 19 2015 06:53 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'll head this off now probably not enough time to fight off a snowball. Hard claiming blue. Show nested quote + This is in no way a justification for the time spent.On November 19 2015 07:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Read what I wrote and apply it. Information is king withholding information when you are a glorified vt now is anti-town especially the leathery out wait the more mafia can mess with town. To me, it almost feels like FarahBlackwing's attempts to find the vigilante were to figure out what the thread influence would look like post-claim, which is useful to know if she's mafia. Especially if she's mafia trying to do something like fakeclaim. Fecalfeast doesn't have a large amount of thread presence, and imagining for a moment that he became confirmed town by claiming vigilante, I don't think that much would change. Meaning that mafia thread influence would be maximized, encouraging a fakeclaim. On November 19 2015 08:25 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Sure.On November 19 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote ##Vote farahblackwing Lets ride ##vote FarahBlackwing On November 19 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + But when it's this bad? And when the person claiming is being this malicious?On November 19 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: Ritoky is correct. Even if the claim feels like buttcheeks it's still uncc'd And right after we saw MoosyDoosy avoid a lynch through martyring? This simply isn't town play. Giving up a power role for this is not a trade that should even need to happen. The Shining On November 19 2015 07:11 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 07:02 NocturneMage wrote: wait he hard townread both? interesting, I stand corrected on that then. Ya in his post trashing my EoD post he said him geript and you were all town and "everyone know this" implying a hard townread. He also had geript on a town list before then. But it is interesting that Farrah knows VE was the Vig shot and hard claimed blue. If she were the Vig I don't think she'd be speculating on who the vig is, unless like NM said it was for a gotcha! Cc play. But its too early in the day and risky for it to be a scum play to try and save herself or draw out a blue. Idk I'm confused on this one. disformation On November 19 2015 07:45 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 07:44 ritoky wrote: On November 19 2015 07:38 Fecalfeast wrote: On November 19 2015 06:20 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm pretty sure fecal is the vig which makes the game pretty easy. I'm catching up sorry I had a lot of business to take care of today. I am not the vig can you make me fall in love with you today. i gave you a town pass cuz you courted me and were funny, but you're starting to make your way toward my PoE at a quicker and quicker rate. so plz defecate town rainbows if you're town. Since farah is currently an uncced blue, I would very much like this, too. On November 19 2015 10:44 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 10:37 Trfel wrote: How did you arrive at FarahBlackwing being town? tinfoil + uncced blue Other great theories: She and MD are a scumteam and are competing on how hard they bullshit town into oblivion. On November 19 2015 10:48 disformation wrote: Oh, crap. What if eversince is the real vet and not around to cc? Also going to stop ranting and grasping at straws like a madmen. Sry for cluttering up the thread... MD On November 19 2015 08:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: Okay Farah is scum lmao. There's little reason to believe her claim. She literally acted scummy as fuck during N1. Like what point is there in doing that as veteran? Best case scenario she's kept around and her role is useless. Worst case scenario vigi shoots her and both roles are wasted. Like hello? On November 19 2015 08:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm going to look into Breshke and Trfel. Farah is still scummy as fuck but it would be best to keep her around for one more day and see what she does especially if she's un cc'd. On November 19 2015 08:25 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 08:23 The Shining wrote: On November 19 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote ##Vote farahblackwing Lets ride Moosy pt2? No one can Moosy like me. XD She's cute but I can understand why she did what she did if she's actually town. @FarahBlackwing, answer this one question and I decide whether I want you dead today or not. Why did you claim this early? On November 19 2015 08:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 08:26 Fecalfeast wrote: Why were you okay with being killed day 1 as vet, farah? Yeah, this is the biggest problem as I pointed out. She acted so fucking scummy that her role was essentially useless. On November 19 2015 08:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 08:27 FarahBlackwing wrote: Either lynch me or believe me I will be as obstinate as possible until one or the other happens. This is coming from the player that says I play like shit in games I sign up for lmao. Oh wellz, my vote's staying where it is. FF: On November 19 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: Ritoky is correct. Even if the claim feels like buttcheeks it's still uncc'd On November 19 2015 12:40 Tictock wrote: Effective immediately, FarahBlackwing will be replaced by Damdred Can do this part when I am back at home later. Part2: Starting from: On November 19 2015 12:40 Tictock wrote: Effective immediately, FarahBlackwing will be replaced by Damdred disformation "damdy. vet." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=60#1187 NM "If Farah's claim was true, and without a counterclaim, we have to proceed as if it is true, it was a poor decision, but at least Damdred has a strategy/conditions for when/if/how the vig should claim. I understand it." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=60#1188 Trfel "don't know what to think about Damdred yet, but it's probably best to give him some time." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=61#1204 On November 20 2015 07:50 Trfel wrote: Ritoky, how stupid do you think I am? Do you really think that as mafia with a ton of momentum, I'd go into Day 2 and push an un-cc'd blue? Just to back off when they replace out? Instead of all of the other fairly easy targets in the thread? Like, why would mafia ever do this? FarahBlackwing's play made no sense at all, I couldn't possibly see it coming from town. I still can't. If Damdred is town, hopefully mafia will kill him soon. On November 20 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I always give replacements a day pass.On November 20 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote: On November 20 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote: Like, I'm pouring so much time into this game. During my exam week, when I said I'd be busy. And now I'm being lynched because "geript said..." When geript didn't do a single towny thing all game long? I don't care that geript's flipped town, that DOES NOT make him right. AS PROVEN BY MY ROLE PM. Use a bit of sense. so who's mafia then? why did you back off damdred if his slot's play made no sense? There's absolutely no reason not to do so. Often times, a replacing player gives a new perspective to the slot's alignment that I simply couldn't see before. I keep looking at Breshke's play, and it seems to be getting worse and worse. The big thing that stands out are the unfulfilled activity promises, he keeps vanishing. But this is exam time for him, he barely signed up to play anyway. Activity aside, his play feels very genuine and there's a natural progression to the way that he pushed his scum reads on Day 1. MoosyDoosy has seemed quite towny with the push on FarahBlackwing, but since Damdred's replacement MoosyDoosy has been pretty awful. The claim included. Shooting someone for information is terrible. But I don't see any reason for him to claim there as mafia, he wasn't really suspected by anyone and the bad claim can only hurt him in the end. By process of elimination, I'm down to disformation, Fecalfeast, Damdred, and Eversince. The last two of which are terrible lynches today for reasons previously mentioned. So not many posts directly referring to the vet claim after damdred replaces in. So the complete reaction of each player: NM does't believe the claim at first but backs off after a while and concludes that an uncc blue is an uncc blue. ritoky is a bit sceptical at first but arrives at the conclusion that the claim is legit. trefel goes from "nah this is not a fakeclaim" to "lynch with fire" to "nah I'll give damdred one day" but "I still don't believe it" and puts damdred into his PoE... The Shining "I don't know." disformation "well she is uncc" into "sure damdy can be my vet all day long" MD "lynch with fire" into unvote FF "well she is uncc" For the record: I looked at posts until the FF case by trfel here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=65#1281 | ||
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On November 22 2015 10:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2015 10:50 The Shining wrote: I could probably get on that lynch, tbh, if I do end up agreeing that the too scummy to be scum stuff actually makes him scum. One thing I noticed in his filter was his change in tones as he got mad/frustrated. He was one of the hardest pushes onto Scott and even admitted after N1 that he was wrong on 3 of his scumread(VE,Scott, geript). But after saying he shouldn't lead town because he can't lynch scum(which is true, he didn't lynch Bresh d2), he gets onto Fecal and starts getting all huffy and puffy about no one listening to him. He even tried to shift the d1 lynch blame onto everyone else for following him. That's 4 incorrect reads Trfel has had and 3 at the time when he tried to push Fecal. You would think he'd be a little hesitant and less confident after being wrong 3x, no? Why so confident to the point that we are all bad for not listening to him? Also his read progression on disformation seemed odd. He defended disfo early, even claiming he had the longest filter up to a point in the game, and didn't discuss disfo much at all afterwards. There was his push into Farrah. Then disfo ends up on his "look into" list with Fecal. But no real discussion of disfo, just a case on Fecal. And disfo is now on his poe list with Onegu and FF. But he never really discussed the ES/Onegu slot except to say ES was impossible to read. Yeah I think you're town. Trfel/ritoky/onegu wins the game? I am currently inclined to think so, too. Will go filter diving tomorrow to see, if I overlooked something. Damdred: Would you still lynch FF? If so: why? | ||
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On November 22 2015 11:30 Fecalfeast wrote: I hate to base it all on this but NM's scum game has 3 pages of filter and he was lynched day 3, this game has 11 and his game as cop had 14 after night 4 On November 20 2015 05:05 disformation wrote: NocturneMage Look at his scum game in NSM13. Interactions: no. solving the case: no. activity: no. This game? Interactions: yes. solving the case: trying to, so yes. activity: very. Town. On November 22 2015 00:46 disformation wrote: NocturneMage Him being scum is pretty tinfoil to me. If he is scum he would have improved his scum game by like 2000% since NSM13. He is also very active and trying to figure out/look at things from different angles. That being said I will probably read his filter later when I am back, just to make sure nothing slipped through my fingers. His scum game was NSM13. I was in that game, too. | ||
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On November 22 2015 12:04 Fecalfeast wrote: 4am only? Wuss. It's only 7pm here Yeah, I had problems sleeping this week cause I was constantly thinking about this game and/or checking my phone when I went to bed and tried to sleep. | ||
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On November 22 2015 12:08 disformation wrote: Yeah, I had problems sleeping this week cause I was constantly thinking about this game and/or checking my phone when I went to bed and tried to sleep. I also tend to get out of bed earlier, since I need to check the thread, at least via phone. And then I see an interesting post and am kinda awake... On the other hand I was not getting out off the bed for like 10-13 hours last week, so I guess that is an improvement? xD Eh well, I'll stop ranting about my healthy and completely normal sleep schedule and go to bed. CU after my good afternoon coffee. | ||
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On November 22 2015 11:25 Fecalfeast wrote: Man I love this album. Noctournemage have you played any gmaes on other sites? Is your mafia database entry up to date? - Hide Spoiler [NocturneMage] - [S] Newbie Student Mafia XIII Mafia Godfather Lynched Day 3 [S] Newbie Student Mafia XIV: Firefly Town Cop Killed Night 4 Just remembered. He said this pregame: On October 22 2015 23:13 NocturneMage wrote: Brilliant. Now I can satisfy my agenda of getting Fidei rightfully policy lynched. I have my reasons and my reasons are good /in (this is my third game, so not open yet) actually fuck it, let's just start now.... ##vote Fidei86 Added bold for stuff. n8n8 | ||
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On November 22 2015 14:21 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Yeah, learn to read.On November 22 2015 09:20 disformation wrote: Damdred you still around? Was the legwork from earlier what you were looking for? Any conclusions from that? I found Trfel going from "Nah this is not a fake claim" "to lets lynch her" a bit confusing after farah's claim. Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: The fact that she claimed, but didn't bother going through MoosyDoosy's case point by point is really, really suspicious. I know I'm not the only one who asked for that. Would FarahBlackwing fakeclaim here as town? I would think not, but am I wrong? Show nested quote + The "as town" part.On November 19 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote: On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: I can't see this coming from a person who would fakeclaim here as town. That settles that.Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do. And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks. I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage. Ah crap. Sry. So you were completely not buying the claim at all for quite some time. Gotcha. On November 22 2015 13:48 ritoky wrote: So basically we lynch trfel, if trfel flips mafia then it clears NM. We have 2 lynches left, we lynch onegu and disfo and win the game.....wait does this work in the inverse? trfel flips town, we lynch onegu and we are in mylo picking between disfo and NM...but in that world NM is a lot more likely than disfo. yeah so it basically feels like trfel + disfo or onegu + NM. i think i solved it, unless my read on shining is actually good, which it is shit. Why would trfel flipping mafia clear NM? Cause NM voted trfel D2? | ||
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On November 23 2015 00:02 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure exactly what to do here. Trfel/ff/ritoky/oneg I want to town read ritoky and ff. Especially ff at this point. I mean it could just be easy but I'm not sure. I'm tempted to lynch Trfel but oneg will just be a flip tommorow to.. Yeah, that is basically where I am at too. | ||
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On November 23 2015 00:43 Damdred wrote: Hey disf want to know something funny from that ritoky post? Sure, go ahead. | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:11 ritoky wrote: disform's read have been flipping on a dime all game based on thread sentiment; it is nothing new. he is probably just easily influenced town though cuz of the post where he suggested lynching himself early and his sheeping onto breshke day 1. of non-conf town he is the most town in the game; not even close to being close. On November 21 2015 10:28 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 10:20 The Shining wrote: On November 21 2015 10:11 ritoky wrote: disform's read have been flipping on a dime all game based on thread sentiment; it is nothing new. he is probably just easily influenced town though cuz of the post where he suggested lynching himself early and his sheeping onto breshke day 1. of non-conf town he is the most town in the game; not even close to being close. I mean, isn't that normally a scum tell? It is for me. And he was well aware that he's done it in all his past town games so its not like he can't use that card to his advantage. How early/late did he sheep onto Breshke? I have to check that, cuz a vote is always changeable until EoD. And I'll go reread the post where he suggested lynching himself because he's been pretty much a pass for everyone recently. I'm wondering how genuine that suggestion was. Normally it is a scum tell yes. But he is a new player right? And haven't like all other new players subbed out of this game so this is basically a 0 newbie game? I can see being swayed. Idk, maybe...it is just hard for me to see many new players have the gusto to suggest lynching themselves immediately. And he was very quick onto breshke...also kinda quick off too. On November 22 2015 08:33 ritoky wrote: getting ready to head to the airport to pick up family. yes breshke and trfel have both played enough games to understand bussing is more advantageous than not in a game where the mod tells you "0 investigations" from moment 1. i would expect them to act accordingly. i am willing to admit it isn't a perfect read that guarantees trfel is town; but i like my unorthodox reads. i think my read on shining might just be dogshit and he might just be town and i might just have a terrible read on him. disfo is nearly conf town from vote perspective. damdred is blue. i am town. so pretty much i need to find a town between trfel, onegu, NM, and ff and then we just lynch the rest and win the game. currently i think ff is most town, so onegu/nm/trfel wins the game. On November 22 2015 13:44 ritoky wrote: to me the game is very simple. and i think you guys are doing all this crazy shit overcomplicating it. i am town -> most town all game, lynched mafia, who am i bussing? (self-metametametametameta) damdred is town -> blue ff is town -> tone + willing to be PoE shining is town -> my read is shit, confirmed it was shit, accepting others lynch these people and we win or get to mylo: tfel onegu remainder: NM -> lots of effort and cases, bizarre trfel post after flip, rando sudden push on me, not reading my responses, probably not mafia if trfel mafia though. disfo -> procedurally should be town for vote thing, but PoE + opinions move like water | ||
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Third quote he gives a reason for Trfel to not be scum. Puts him in PoE regardless. Also drops his scum read on FF. Uses PoE to say it is either Trfel + Onegu or one of those + NM or Me | ||
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On November 23 2015 01:03 Damdred wrote: Let's talk about Trfel. Tell me disf why do you think Trfel could be town maybe? Any reason Trfel is so confusing to me this game. He is pretty stubborn in a lot of things. Like him not believing the vet claim. His read on Breshke. And with that he has taken a lot of stances, that would be very bad for Scum to take. You know like hard defending Breshke for whole two days. Or picking a fight with geript. I kinda get his frustrated tone in some posts, I would be frustrated as hell if I was wrong on so many things. So for me he is either town having a bad game or he is scum going for some wifom stuff. | ||
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On November 23 2015 01:15 Damdred wrote: So what do you think of eod1? Do you think Breshke could of been lynched? Since geript was not there to push it and neither me nor farah were pushing it nearly hard enough either. I don't think so. That leaves the question: why this overreaction from Trfel. *sigh* | ||
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On November 23 2015 01:21 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2015 01:15 Damdred wrote: So what do you think of eod1? Do you think Breshke could of been lynched? Since geript was not there to push it and neither me nor farah were pushing it nearly hard enough either. I don't think so. That leaves the question: why this overreaction from Trfel. *sigh* Farah or me * | ||
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On November 23 2015 01:39 Damdred wrote: Now this is the hard question to me. To me it seems moosey was the preference for scum going into the last 8-10 hours. No real counter wagon and we only see a flurry of people when moosey wagon starts breaking down. Way I'm reading it, Moosey maxed out at 5-6 votes The majority of the game is scattered about Trfel pushes a Scott lynch but states would be willing to lynch moosey as well just prefers moosey. Goes afk. Farah starts moving back and forth between Scott, Disfo being indecisive but doesn't want to lynch moosey. Geript pushes Breshke and gains Disfo and Farah tying him with moosey but not drawing ahead. Trfel shows up and yells about lynching Scott. Farah switches to Scott. Ff when he arrives votes Scott putting him into a 3-3-2 tie with moosey but ahead of Breshke. From this moment on Breshke has no chance of being lynched Trfel and ritoky stone wall the idea of lynching Breshke. People pile up on Scott, he gives a last second will ritoky freaks out and switches. Now what do you think is the most interesting thing in it disfo? Hmmm... that Trfel is fine going afk when the two wagons are MD and scott (both town). But comes back and yells about Scott basically the moment Breshke might become a solid lunch option? | ||
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On November 23 2015 02:05 Damdred wrote: Well that is a decent question as well truth be told. Another good one is if you are ok with a moosey lynch why push another town over him? Yes. On November 23 2015 02:07 Damdred wrote: That's totally wifom to a degree because I'm not sure what to do with Trfel, or oneg in that regard Yes. Trfel and Onegu are huge question marks for me. Well, Onegu is probably a huge question mark for everyone. And most arguments in favour or against Trfel are kinda WIFOMY. | ||
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On November 23 2015 02:51 Damdred wrote: I will say however that ritoky could of been vomited town by breshke. Like that would,make the game super easy. Hmm... Breshke did give ritoky a fairly easy townread lumped together with geript D1: On November 17 2015 07:28 Breshke wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 06:04 Trfel wrote: On November 17 2015 05:58 NocturneMage wrote: On November 17 2015 05:50 Trfel wrote: So you're saying that Breshke is suspicious because he's not focusing on the important things in the thread, at the time that he was there? I guess my question back to you is, how do you determine what the important things in the thread are? Isn't that a matter of opinion? I'll take a look at the context again, this kind of read is definitely valid and can be very powerful, but it's also extremely subjective, which makes it so, so difficult to apply correctly. You have a point with the second sentence but when you read Breshke's filter, he talks about geript and VE "grilling" him. So he mentions them at the very least. It can be assumed that he's at least read and he makes a read on Shining but fails to take a stance on geript and VE. Now, I realise there are a lot of Americans in this game and maybe the word "grilling" has a different meaning or a different context to some people but he clearly has an opinion on what is happening but doesn't focus on VE one way whereas other people are. He even says geript taunts him (post 377) but doesn't focus further. Like in his world, something should have tipped him off. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. MoosyDoosy was not quite as active so he might get a pass if he may have failed to notice but On November 17 2015 06:00 NocturneMage wrote: Breshke, please answer this.edit: last sentence at Trfel - Moosy not quite as active, but there's no way he couldn't have followed up on VE/geript. NocturneMage, I think I see what you're getting at now. I'd like to see Breshke answer first. To bet totally honest with my short amount of time yesterday and getting sidetracked posting about the shining I kind of forgot that I hadn't given like any reads on the game especially because the reads are really weak. So with Geript if it was just some random would be town reading him because his posts don't feel like structured? Im not sure if that is the ebst way to explain it but his posting feels very care free like he has nothing to hide and he ranked people out of 7 like why 7 idc if this sounds dumb but that's just peculiar and not in a bad way because it draws attention to his reads. The problem is I don't doubt Geripts mafia ability especially after some big game that I don't remember the name where he was mafia. Still would not lynch though. Ritoky is in the same grain as Geript where he is pushing the game forward and I still disagree with him on the shining but I don't think it makes him mafia. Moosy would lynch in a heartbeat. His mafia list is basically people not being talked about to be lynched and he doesn't even try explain his reads. Doesn't really make much sense | ||
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Still trying to wrap my head around Trfel. | ||
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On November 23 2015 05:04 Damdred wrote: I think disf is pretty obvious town though For what it is worth: I think so, too. On November 23 2015 05:10 Fecalfeast wrote: Yeah this game is easy now imo unless NM got some lessons on scum since july Still a bit paranoid I missed something... but unless there is someone on his scum A game, we should be able to do it. | ||
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Then I'll try to read your filter, ritoky's and NM's before going to bed, too. In the meantime: Onegu if you want to play this, I would like you to start doing so very soon. ##vote Onegu | ||
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On November 23 2015 08:28 Fecalfeast wrote: Part of me is happy that trfel might just be super wrong all game as town but the other part of me is super happy that I'm all the scummer has to push on. Warms my heart to know I'm still mistaken for an easy lategame mislynch So you are happy no matter what? | ||
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On November 20 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote: Fecalfeast Here the posts that Fecalfeast has made this game that show his read progression. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not really reading too closely. Watching CFL with my dad and bro. Tone/feel reads telling me farah is town, geript is town, disform is mafia ever is towny... Refs in this game are blind On November 16 2015 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh disforms ninja post is fine for now. On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote: VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure. town: ritoky trfel nocturne mafia: moose ve that's all I got On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him On November 17 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 08:07 Breshke wrote: On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him why? He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel On November 17 2015 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote I'm going to completely ignore moose for the rest of this game but I believe that he is really being that much of a female dog about rolling town. On November 17 2015 09:47 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 09:43 Trfel wrote: On November 17 2015 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote: You had two scumreads, VisceraEyes and MoosyDoosy. You're no longer scumreading both of them.On November 17 2015 09:36 Trfel wrote: Also, Fecalfeast, I believe you have zero scum reads right now? Do you plan on doing something about that in the near future? VE went from scum to null but sure. What are you even asking here? "FF you gonna keep playing?" I was just wanting your thoughts on that, that's all. How much past experience do you have with MoosyDoosy? Anyway, off to my exam. I hosted the game where he bused the dick off his whole team as mafia. He legitimately seems like a player who much prefers scum play over town play. That said, I also agree with the idea that giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame. Fuck it ##vote mooseydoosey On November 17 2015 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote: scott's filter is unappetizing and stingily portioned. 0 stars out of 5 On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again On November 17 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote: If I were scum and moose was town, I'd be laughing it up in scum qt right now about how, unless he gets vigged, we have a guaranteed mislynch in lylo. Which means we should probably get rid of him sooner than later. On November 19 2015 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote: 1. Unless someone claims a vig shot on Geript, he was the only one adamant about trfel being scum and was getting upset that nobody listened to him. 2. His day 1 suspicions from his filter: VE, Moose, Scott, Me. I know 3/4 of those are town 100% while moose is showing some towny play since yesterday. 3. Totally willing to vote an uncc'd blue because she's martyring. On November 19 2015 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I can't say I'm tunneled on you trfel but right now that's where my brain is. I've only just been in your filter and i will take a closer look later. I've still got shit to do right now tho On November 20 2015 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote: I will kill bresh or trfel because geript confirmed the mafia kill makes it more likely he was offed for his reads, since mafia knows we have a vet* they wouldn't worry about a medic dodge. *assuming farah's claim was real On November 20 2015 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd be more comfortable lynching breshke over angry!trfel So, there are a few trends shown by the above posts. 1. Whoever posts is town
The disinformation post that caused Fecalfeast to change his read isn't that great. It's the first actual reads post that disinformation has made all game, and it was only made on request. But this caused a dramatic change in Fecalfeast's read? Enough to make him never seriously discuss disformation again? The way he downplayed his scumread on VisceraEyes is terrible. "I side with trfel on VE for sure", leading to a townread on Trfel and a scumread on VisceraEyes. Then, "ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him" and "He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel". First, VisceraEyes' Fecalfeast read wasn't a part of my case on VisceraEyes. The fact that this is what Fecalfeast mentioned, while also saying that his scumread came purely from my case, does not make sense at all. For MoosyDoosy, his reasons are debatable, but the important thing is that he voted for MoosyDoosy again later. More on this later. At the same time as Fecalfeast backed off of me (Trfel), he pushed onto Breshke. And he hadn't mentioned Breshke before. This push came out of nowhere. He said he'd rather lynch Breshke because I was "angry". Every single time, there's a person who makes some posts, and Fecalfeast removes his scumread on that person. This is every single time that Fecalfeast has removed a scumread on someone. This reeks of "don't hurt me, I'm not scumreading you!" 2. "Decision" about Day 1 lynch target Fecalfeast first includes MoosyDoosy as mafia in his list (no reason given), then votes MoosyDoosy for martyring. Then he unvotes MoosyDoosy because he thinks MoosyDoosy is just that obnoxious when he rolls town. At this point, Fecalfeast had zero scum reads. So, he went back and voted for MoosyDoosy again, reasoning being that "giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame". It's noteworthy that at this time, there was a lot of push for lynching MoosyDoosy. This vote on MoosyDoosy is extremely opportunistic and seems to be a patch for Fecalfeast having zero reads. Ritoky, one of the game's highest-influence players, then says that MoosyDoosy is exempt from being lynched. Fecalfeast immediately says he will look into scott31337. And then says he could kill scott31337. He doesn't care one bit about who is lynched, which is shown by his post saying that town ignoring MoosyDoosy causes them to automatically lose LYLO if MoosyDoosy is town, but ultimately vote for scott31337 instead of MoosyDoosy with no new reasons presented. The progression is basically:
3. Other factors I don't really have time to explain this as in detail, but namely his play on Day 3. He said that he didn't like disformation, but he never followed up on this or explained this at all. He said that I (Trfel) was suspicious primarily because of night kill analysis, but never actually addressed any of my posts or arguments like I asked him to, and like he said he would. Then he moved to Breshke, who he only mentioned once before in his filter, with a TOWN LEAN. Okay. Conclusion Fecalfeast is always taking the easy route, always making the easy reads. He's always keeping one scum read and when that stops being easy, he's just moving to the new easy scum read. His apathy towards the Day 1 lynch between two townies and forced read switches are extremely suspicious. 3. "Then he moved to Breshke, who he only mentioned once before in his filter, with a TOWN LEAN. Okay." All his mentions of Breshke prior to voting him D2: On November 17 2015 09:26 Fecalfeast wrote: Honestly Farah's filter is pretty nice to look at. I mean, the lynch list is kinda butt because I am leaning town on bresh and am fairly certain that I'm town but being wrong is allowed. Is there a case on farah or anything that I'm blatantly missing? On November 20 2015 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote: I will kill bresh or trfel because geript confirmed the mafia kill makes it more likely he was offed for his reads, since mafia knows we have a vet* they wouldn't worry about a medic dodge. *assuming farah's claim was real On November 20 2015 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd be more comfortable lynching breshke over angry!trfel Case on Breshke: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2015 10:45 Fecalfeast wrote: Hey breshke if you're around at all, you said to VE Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 07:48 Breshke wrote: On November 16 2015 21:39 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Fecalfeast JUST IN CASE THERE WAS ANY DOUBT AS TO THE SERIOUSNESS OF MY POST!!!!!! FF's filter isnt actually as bad as i thought so he isn't actually in the same tier as moosy but his play still feels lazy even for him. So would still lynch until he comes back and has a chat. And I decided to go back and check what you were basing this on. Timestamp (on my screen): November 16 2015 14:48 PST So I click my filter, literally ONLY the first page of my filter comes before this time. Timestamp of the first post on page 2 of my filter: November 16 2015 14:55 PST So from my entrance post to the end of page 1 of my filter is 11 posts. I know it's in the distant past at this point but could you maybe try and remember what it is you liked about those posts? I know a few posts later you say you're ok with lynching me but it's only because I'm "still being lazy" Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote: FF still being lazy so would lynch. Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. and you say the bolded about scott. Then your next post is asking me what I think of scott. Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 09:28 Breshke wrote: FF look at scotts and tell me what you think. Farah if moosey acted like this last game as town couldnt you say it would be a good idea for him to act this way as scum this game? So you're more inclined to lynch moose or me over scott, citing that you're waiting for a big thought dump from scott. You ask me what I think of scott, I come to the conclusion that I think scott is mafia. Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 10:30 Fecalfeast wrote: On November 17 2015 10:25 disformation wrote: On November 17 2015 10:19 Fecalfeast wrote: On November 17 2015 10:17 ritoky wrote: On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again yea the "i understand trfel's case and am considering it" into no unvote of trfel or immediate reaction is kinda a ???? moment. plus i have a lot of TRs Too many TRs. I imagine there's one of the really good players as scum or it's a really obvious/lurky team Hm, which town reads do you feel strong / not strong about? scott is not strong since he has 0/5 stars on his filter I guess? scott is mafia imo So scott makes a post about moose being a trash monster and you decide you want to kill him more than both moose and myself, citing that he made a cop-out post to talk about moose. Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 12:14 Breshke wrote: Moosey do you understand that if you are town that your play is just distracting the rest of town and really hurts your chances of people listening to you. It also lets people just cop out and just talk about you being a shithead. For example On November 17 2015 11:19 scott31337 wrote: On November 17 2015 07:38 Trfel wrote: On November 17 2015 07:33 Breshke wrote: Sorry, I didn't mean your thoughts on VisceraEyes' stance on Fecalfeast, I was looking for your thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast (two separate reads).On November 17 2015 07:30 Trfel wrote: Breshke, any thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast? What makes geript's ranking out of 7 post any different from a standard list post? I have no problem with VE's read on FF seems to be a classic " he isn't doing stuff so lynch him". IDK i said it was dumb but people normally do stuff out of 10 or a percent or like out of 5. He did 7 so someone could be like "Why the fuck is it out of 7" and he would need to explain which would bring more attention to his reads etc I don't really understand the whole 7 thing at all. You know that geript is a strong scum player, so why wouldn't he want attention to be paid to his reads? Is geript a player who hides in a corner as mafia? On November 17 2015 07:35 Breshke wrote: On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back! ##Unvote I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted. The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you. So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by. Trefel the bolded makes me fairly sure all the shining stuff was just pressure. Did he say otherwise? On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes, he did.No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing. On November 17 2015 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm awake, Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings. 1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday. 2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today. 3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later. 4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game. I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either. Posts like this make Farah Mafia. And NM is town. On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point. So frustrating His ass was town in the last game too and did this. Playing against wincon is not cool. On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do. And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks. I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage. See even if Moosy sucks and I decide not to play with him in the future if he's town - this should not get you down either. A depressed town is a failtown. Please do not! We waited so long for this game to start. Okay? I'm at page 28 and would rather watch the Football game then read this. ##Unvote I may be back later, or on tomorrow. So that post puts him above both myself and moose? To the point where breshke scolds moose for possibly being town? Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 23:28 Breshke wrote: ##Vote MoosyDoosy Does anyone have anything to ask me i got held up at work and its 1am here and will probably go to sleep soon and will most likely not be here until after deadline. nope? Then he misses deadline. Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 13:32 Breshke wrote: Hi im here and catching up my keyboard is a bit wonky atm so i might be even more illiterate than normal. Moosey do you think I am town or mafia? This is first post after the lynch of scott. Asking the person he voted about his opinion. This filter feels so random to me. I'd really like breshke to explain some of his thought process on day 1. On November 20 2015 10:51 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2015 10:42 disformation wrote: Yo, FF any suspects outside Breshke and Trfel? Also would like for you to explain why you prefer lynching Breshke. And furthermore... do you have any solid town reads? Trfel: am I right to assume that you have a solid TR on the ppl not mentioned in: On November 20 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote: On November 20 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote: I always give replacements a day pass.On November 20 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote: Like, I'm pouring so much time into this game. During my exam week, when I said I'd be busy. And now I'm being lynched because "geript said..." When geript didn't do a single towny thing all game long? I don't care that geript's flipped town, that DOES NOT make him right. AS PROVEN BY MY ROLE PM. Use a bit of sense. so who's mafia then? why did you back off damdred if his slot's play made no sense? There's absolutely no reason not to do so. Often times, a replacing player gives a new perspective to the slot's alignment that I simply couldn't see before. I keep looking at Breshke's play, and it seems to be getting worse and worse. The big thing that stands out are the unfulfilled activity promises, he keeps vanishing. But this is exam time for him, he barely signed up to play anyway. Activity aside, his play feels very genuine and there's a natural progression to the way that he pushed his scum reads on Day 1. MoosyDoosy has seemed quite towny with the push on FarahBlackwing, but since Damdred's replacement MoosyDoosy has been pretty awful. The claim included. Shooting someone for information is terrible. But I don't see any reason for him to claim there as mafia, he wasn't really suspected by anyone and the bad claim can only hurt him in the end. By process of elimination, I'm down to disformation, Fecalfeast, Damdred, and Eversince. The last two of which are terrible lynches today for reasons previously mentioned. I'm not gonna make up scumreads. I haven't reread you, I haven't reread eversince, I haven't reread shining and I haven't reread moose but those are people I would look at. Towny: NM, ritoky townlean based on real time reading: disform damdred(did he reject the vet claim? I didn't see) ????????? moose ever shining scummy trfel breshke This list is hardly informed I've only been diving a couple filters So yeah. He kinda ignored Breshke until after geript got shot and the two roles were claimed. That being said Breshke is not the only one that barely got mentioned D1, N1. NocturneMage is also greatly ignored. And I kinda think that information from nk's and two claims are kinda good reasons to go and reconsider your reads. 2. On November 17 2015 09:28 Breshke wrote: FF look at scotts and tell me what you think. Farah if moosey acted like this last game as town couldnt you say it would be a good idea for him to act this way as scum this game? On November 17 2015 09:52 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh yeah someone said I should look at scott. on it On November 17 2015 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote: scott's filter is unappetizing and stingily portioned. 0 stars out of 5 On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again On November 17 2015 10:30 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 10:25 disformation wrote: On November 17 2015 10:19 Fecalfeast wrote: On November 17 2015 10:17 ritoky wrote: On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again yea the "i understand trfel's case and am considering it" into no unvote of trfel or immediate reaction is kinda a ???? moment. plus i have a lot of TRs Too many TRs. I imagine there's one of the really good players as scum or it's a really obvious/lurky team Hm, which town reads do you feel strong / not strong about? scott is not strong since he has 0/5 stars on his filter I guess? scott is mafia imo I don't see a real problem with his read progression on scott, I kinda find it amusing that Breshke asked FF to look into scott. MD played super annoyingly, so w/e. I also don't find it horrible that he has a period off not having any scumreads D1 and reasonable that he starts looking into players he is asked about. 1. TBH I think FF is more of a conventional player and gets most of his reads by interacting with ppl. A few times he is convinced kinda easily, but I don't think I am allowed to criticize him for that. xD So the thing is: was he a lazy git until the second half of D2? Yes, absolutely. Does that make him 100% slam dunk scum? Nope. Has he done a lot more towny things/work since then? Yes. 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On November 23 2015 10:23 Fecalfeast wrote: I keep forgetting about shining. Is that bad or is everyone ok with shining? Could shining trfel be a team? I feel like the angry demeanor of trfel could signify he is feeling abandoned by his scumteam but that's some unflipped association that I shouldn't look too far into. wouldn't feeling abandoned by his team not rather point to eversince/onegu? And yeah I think The Shining, despite having a very low post count is like the only player not showing up in any PoE list. | ||
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Nothing really did catch my eye or jumped at me. For FF you can really see the jump in Quantity/Quality after D1/N1 though. Looking at Trfel again and then it is probably bed time for me. Wading through these filters makes me tired. | ||
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1 Isn't he OMGUS super hard d1? Like geript comes in and says he really dislikes him. Trfel reaction: On November 16 2015 06:39 Trfel wrote: Either geript knows a whole darn lot that I don't or he's mafia. I'm reasonably happy with FarahBlackwing and The Shining as town. + This post: On November 17 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote: Yeah, I'm either missing something quite large or VisceraEyes is mafia. His recent posts point to the former. Show nested quote + First post suggests that I'm town, second post suggests that I'm mafia (I didn't post in between). No conclusion at all, no push. No comments on anything else, didn't even respond to my case.On November 17 2015 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Like repeatedly failing to see what most everyone else sees, that I'm town and winning, is making you look slow. You're not a slow guy are you Trfel? Otherwise I think all the strange things have been beaten to death and there are a bunch of them. I was trying to look at the HOW, but I always end up looking at the WHAT which triggers me to ask WHY and then the conclusion is kinda WTF. Maybe I have looked at filters too long now. xD Will probably be semi around for like another half an hour and then go to bed. Got a bit of stuff to do tomorrow, but I'll force stuff to arrange itself in a way I can be at home at least 3h before deadline. Also good chance for office/phone posts. | ||
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On November 23 2015 12:07 Damdred wrote: In English its You are missing the trees for the forest. Its also interesting how much trfel pushes the vig to not claim in that situation as well. phone post. ah, thanks. and right that happened, too. trfel's filter is so full of "wat?!", "why?!" and "how?!" moments it makes my head spin right round, right round... | ||
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On November 23 2015 12:20 disformation wrote: also: i think the claims and the pr's being farah and moosy was pretty bad for mafia. farah was scumread by a bunch of ppl and moosy not popular due to his d1 stunt. hmmm... captain obvious much? time for sleep i guess. xD | ||
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I was hoping Onegu will drop in and do something with these votes on him... doesn't look like it. He does not even have the right to vote according to the Votecount LoneMeow just posted. I had another idea for an approach to try and understand Trfel. Will try that later when I am at home. Currently my position is still: On November 23 2015 04:42 disformation wrote: Yeah. I think getting rid of one of the two big confusing ppl (Onegu and Trfel) is the right choice today. Don't want to have to think about both of those in a mylo situation. Still trying to wrap my head around Trfel. | ||
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Will catch up to the raging activity of this thread, take a short break and proceed to look at Trfel's filter again. | ||
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On November 24 2015 01:53 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2015 01:39 Damdred wrote: Now this is the hard question to me. To me it seems moosey was the preference for scum going into the last 8-10 hours. No real counter wagon and we only see a flurry of people when moosey wagon starts breaking down. Way I'm reading it, Moosey maxed out at 5-6 votes The majority of the game is scattered about Trfel pushes a Scott lynch but states would be willing to lynch moosey as well just prefers moosey. Goes afk. Farah starts moving back and forth between Scott, Disfo being indecisive but doesn't want to lynch moosey. Geript pushes Breshke and gains Disfo and Farah tying him with moosey but not drawing ahead. Trfel shows up and yells about lynching Scott. Farah switches to Scott. Ff when he arrives votes Scott putting him into a 3-3-2 tie with moosey but ahead of Breshke. From this moment on Breshke has no chance of being lynched Trfel and ritoky stone wall the idea of lynching Breshke. People pile up on Scott, he gives a last second will ritoky freaks out and switches. Now what do you think is the most interesting thing in it disfo? Are you potentially suggesting a possible Trfel/ritoky scum team based off this? Though you are saying ritoky is likely town for (meta???) reasons or because you think Breshke vomited him town? Didn't most people townread ritoky day 1 anyhow, and do you think most scum would find a reason to scumread their own teammate if there was no reason to (in the event ritoky actually is mafia)? Was stumbling about this line for a moment as well, but read it as "ritoky's vote was the final nail in scott's coffin". That can imply ritoky shifting the votes away from a teammate, but scott's filter was pretty bad so could have just thought scott was scum.^^ That being said I am not 100% sure on ritoky and FF. I think Onegu and Trfel have a higher chance of being mafia, but I don't think it is impossible for one of them having fooled us. Since Onegu has not even tried to do something I am currently kinda happy with were my vote is, though. Will try to figure out Trfel again. Getting a bit burned out of reading through filters, though. xD | ||
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On November 24 2015 02:42 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 02:18 disformation wrote: I also bought some beers in order to celebrate future scum lynches (or drown my frustration). Please don't take any mafia-game related drinking lessons from HTS regardless of alignment. I know she's coached you in the past, but still, just don't do it. Exactly the reaction I was hoping for. xD Just happened to have some room in my bag while grocery shopping and EoD is basically just after dinner time, so I'll probably have a beer with my room mate regardless of what happens in this game. xD | ||
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Don't think I have enough experience with him to correctly meta/read him off of that though... | ||
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On November 24 2015 03:37 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 03:32 disformation wrote: I shadowed Onegu. He likes to play scum much more than town. Therefore he tries to switch up his meta every few games so it is hard to read him. He also was town and not very active in the game I shadowed him, but he was way more useful than in this game so far... Don't think I have enough experience with him to correctly meta/read him off of that though... as scum, does he "pretend" to be useful? or is he easily caught with how bad his questions/posting is? has he ever just done nothing as scum? and you mentioned he always tries to switch meta, so who knows.... that question is for anyone here that is familiar with onegu's play, not just you. Unfortunately I only got one game where he was VT. But if he wants to be hard to read of such a meta, he looks probably pretty similar as scum. Note that this is speculation. My question for now is more like, is he: 1) "Oh crap I replaced into a bad situation and I am not fond of town, so let whatever, can't be arsed to do something." 2) "Oh crap, I replaced into a bad situation and I think not giving town any information is the best play here." Super coin-flippy. Wtb Damdred dropping some logic-bombs. | ||
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Figuring out Trfel Try 862406543020438634845934940331 Okay. This time I am trying to look at this from a town!Trfel POV. This means I am really trying to believe what Trfel is believing and see if his posts make sense this way. This will be a huge one. I am going to write this from the first person. Here goes nothing: 1. I find something strange in VE's interaction with The Shining. I make a mini case out of that. Sense. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote: VisceraEyes VisceraEyes makes two posts showing suspicion of The Shining. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote: Farrah your logic is flawed. I rolled scum a few games ago which means I'm due for another 10 town games, which this is. Your instant vote is pretty uncalled for so early, with so many people missing but I'll chalk it up to interesting entrance. How far you plan on pushing this obvious policy lynch? Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard? No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia. On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me. After these posts, VisceraEyes treats The Shining like he is town, specifically by telling The Shining how to properly play as town. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote: As for finding scum not town, it's infinitely easier to narrow down your search by correctly identifying townies. This is known. On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote: If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town. Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 Furthermore, Eversince's post on FarahBlackwing has a very large logical flaw, in that The Shining hadn't posted at the time. Eversince is comparing a townread based on actual posts to a vote with zero reason from this game, which does not work. VisceraEyes knows much better than this. This isn't VisceraEyes pushing The Shining, this is VisceraEyes reading incorrectly and flailing wildly at The Shining with words that don't match his stance. 2. geript calls my case on VE bad, but can't be arsed to explain why. This super annoys me and I OMGUS on him a bit. Sense. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 06:39 Trfel wrote: Either geript knows a whole darn lot that I don't or he's mafia. I'm reasonably happy with FarahBlackwing and The Shining as town. 3. I still think VE is scum and I push my scumread by making another case. Sense. + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2015 05:05 Trfel wrote: VisceraEyes (again) Note: Eversince will be addressed in a following post 1. On Eversince and FarahBlackwing Eversince's initial post, voting for The Shining Show nested quote + Eversince's later post explaining the clear flaw in the above argument:On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote: On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: Farahblackwing Soooo mafia. Lynch today! Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 06:30 Eversince wrote: To clarify, The Shining lurked bad last game I played with. Farah town reads him regardless. This game, Farah mafia reads The Shining. He had not even posted yet. Yeh! It's completely different play! Buggers! Sorry for pointin' it out! VisceraEyes responds to this is a way that doesn't make sense at all. Before my case on VisceraEyes and the second post above from Eversince, VisceraEyes posted these posts: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote: On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: Farahblackwing Soooo mafia. Lynch today! I actually like this a lot. ##Vote: Farahblackwing Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote: On November 16 2015 05:38 The Shining wrote: On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote: On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: Farahblackwing Soooo mafia. Lynch today! I actually like this a lot. ##Vote: Farahblackwing What about it do you like? I see a short meta read based off of one newbie game, from a newbie. I wouldn't be nearly this confident in meta reading someone after just one game. And how do you know its even accurate? Did you check the last game or are you just blindly trusting to get on a wagon here? I don't care if it's accurate - if they're mafia and lying someone will come in and say "Hey that's a lie" and I'll reevaluate then. At this point I'm taking the short meta read at face value, assuming it's true and taking the attempt as a townie attempt to find mafia - one that has possibly borne fruit. So no, I'm not just "blindly" jumping on a wagon. I like this particular wagon for the reasons given and I like the person who started it, as indicated in my post. Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote: On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote: If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town. Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 These three posts show that VisceraEyes is treating Eversince's first post seriously. He says that he likes Eversince's argument, and that he's townreading Eversince and scumreading FarahBlackwing because of it. Furthermore, he uses this repeatedly in his argument with The Shining, which apparently leads to a scumread of The Shining, shown by this post (among others): Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote: You're getting awfully anxious about me trusting someone so early Shining, I have to say it looks really scummy to me. Why are you so against me having a townread on someone and a scumread on someone else? After my case and Eversince's post, showing that Eversince's early vote on FarahBlackwing had no basis, VisceraEyes says this: Show nested quote + Ok, so he wasn't being serious earlier. Not only did he make a joke, but then he defended his joke several times, to the point of scumreading The Shining for it.On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back! ##Unvote I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. I just can't believe this. 2. General For the moment, let's assume that VisceraEyes was in fact joking with his first series of posts, and let's ignore that this makes no sense. VisceraEyes receives a bunch of town reads after he leaves, notably from geript and ritoky. Notice how VisceraEyes leaves in the same minute that geript posts a strong townread of him. VisceraEyes made three posts upon return, shown below: + Show Spoiler [VisceraEyes' Posts] + On November 16 2015 21:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 16:21 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 15:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 16 2015 15:50 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 15:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 16 2015 15:42 ritoky wrote: why does you playing on other sites render meta worthless exactly? I can give you links to games for reference if you desire, but my play has changed a ton than what it usually was. okay, with your new improved play; could you tell me who is mafia or town? It's not necessarily improved but: Farah disformation Shining geript is this the town list or mafia list? i can't tell I think it's both...the question itself was a little ambiguous so maybe he just answered it as best he could, including both townreads and mafiareads? On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back! ##Unvote I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted. The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you. So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by. On November 16 2015 21:39 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Fecalfeast JUST IN CASE THERE WAS ANY DOUBT AS TO THE SERIOUSNESS OF MY POST!!!!!! VisceraEyes' next two posts are his thoughts about the game, and the only thoughts about the game that he's posted, assuming that his earlier posts were in jest. He says that he likes most of the people who have been posting (ok, so who doesn't he like then? not useful), and that he doesn't like Fecalfeast. I personally don't really like this Fecalfeast read, but whatever, it's sort of up for interpretation. But this is his ONLY read. Note that he spends a fair amount of this post responding to the townreads he's received. He's very aware of them, and this shows in his play. His activity tanked, he's not being useful or constructive, he made the terrible statement "I like most people who posted so far", which a perfect example of useless and lazy play. 3. Response to meta reads + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 05:50 geript wrote: Hm, people townreading VisceraEyes very strongly with little explanation. Where have I seen this before?I'm not voting for VE ever. This game. Everyone townread VisceraEyes for no reason. I thought VisceraEyes was scum. Everyone ignored me on the basis that "he's town". Guess what, he was scum. In fact, look at VisceraEyes' first post in that game. On August 26 2015 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Look familiar?Hi I'm town. Marv playing like Palmar makes me vom a little in my mouth. Otherwise I like most everyone who's posted so far. I don't see how the metareads given about VisceraEyes apply to this game. Either ~80% of his posts in this game were not serious, or he is clearly lying to try and explain his play. Ritoky's meta read has nothing to do with what I have presented, he didn't mention the posts related to this at all. As for geript's: On November 16 2015 06:13 geript wrote: I don't understand this read. I've seen VisceraEyes jump on things and not push them into oblivion as mafia, too. For example, look at the game I linked; VisceraEyes was scumreading both Palmar and I but when Palmar asked him to reread the entire game under the assumption that we were both town and then share his thoughts, he did so (or at least partially did so).Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 06:09 Trfel wrote: On November 16 2015 05:50 geript wrote: You're going to need to explain this.I'm not voting for VE ever. Read other VE games. He's really easy to read when he gets semi active. Part of it is based in the fact that VE and I scum hunt rather differently. He takes on an egocentric (in the technical sense not in the asshole sense) view of other players; i.e. How he acts when he's scum and applies it to them. So when you see him jump on certain things in an accusatory way (especially when he's not trying to assream them) he's almost always town. My case stands for itself, I've had enough of random meta. 4. I don't like scott, but I like Breshke. Might be a bit biased towards Breshke cause he has a similar playstyle to me. Sense. + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote: As for Eversince, the same argument sort of applies. Breshke's post here explains this. Eversince made a post which she (?, sorry if I'm wrong) said isn't serious, and then defended the post on purely logical terms. But Eversince is on drugs, and readily admitted the mistake. I'm giving Eversince a pass for now. I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game. On November 17 2015 05:33 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Eh.....On November 17 2015 05:21 NocturneMage wrote: Let me try and take a pass at Breshke. On a first read, it's a null but there are a few caveats. I took no issue with Breshke's filter so far from his reads alone. 333 and 377 (at least the first half) would warrant a town lean. 386 indicates he doesn't care what ritoky thinks. Alright. Here's where the potential problem comes in. I checked his posts relative to events in the thread. He asks a question about Trfel but as far as I can tell doesn't take a stance on Trfel, and I can go either way on that depending on what he would have done with that question. He doesn't take a stance on geript or VE but he talks about them "grilling" the Shining. Now here's the issue, geript is heavily involved in the game, VE is heavily involved in the game, Moosy had a really bad post before his response on the Shining to ritoky but that goes either missed or ignored. So this leads me to think Breshke is playing a "safe" game or might be taking that approach, and not wanting to draw attention/ruffle feathers/whatever you want to call it is a scum trait. I'm not familiar with how he plays the game so my read could just be way off target, but just looking at context alone, I have some concern he is focusing on the wrong things for the wrong reasons. (yes I checked the database, he's not inexperienced either) So I think until I see more from him on especially people being discussed as lynchables, I think it's a scumlean for him. thoughts? Breshke has a playstyle much like my own. He doesn't post very much, he doesn't lead the thread or push things, but when he says something, it's generally really really insightful and helpful. Breshke's only made four posts so far this game. The first post was a very good catch, and something that I'm definitely keeping in mind. I do like his read on The Shining, as well. He's also right in that The Shining's "statement of activity" isn't alignment indicative, because The Shining is extremely defensive (even as town) and posts that every single game he plays. So, his first post is insightful, as is his second post. His third post explains his second post (responding to ritoky's question), and his fourth post is a joke. I'm not really sure what you're getting at? Am I misunderstanding your post? I don't see how you can say that a player with only four posts is playing "safe" or not? 5. Still don't like VE. Sense. + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote: Yeah, I'm either missing something quite large or VisceraEyes is mafia. His recent posts point to the former. Show nested quote + First post suggests that I'm town, second post suggests that I'm mafia (I didn't post in between). No conclusion at all, no push. No comments on anything else, didn't even respond to my case.On November 17 2015 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Like repeatedly failing to see what most everyone else sees, that I'm town and winning, is making you look slow. You're not a slow guy are you Trfel? 6. I reevaluate VE and conclude that I am not comfortable lynching him right now. Sense. + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2015 07:33 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Hm, that's at least partially false based on VisceraEyes' explanation?On November 17 2015 07:30 Breshke wrote: Trefel do you think your case still holds water even though VE was just pressuring shining early so it can be assumed he didn't actually believe Eversinces read? I'm rereading his filter with that mindset, and I can sort of see it, but there's still a lot that is suspicious, a lot that doesn't make sense. I'm not entirely sure yet, I think I'll re-evaluate after dinner. On November 17 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote: I don't like VisceraEyes, but I don't really feel comfortable with lynching him right now... It's obvious that VisceraEyes hasn't read the thread super carefully, but I don't think that that makes him mafia. VisceraEyes, when you could get to a computer, if you could post the thoughts you had on the other players, that would be very helpful. Time to study for that exam. 7. I slamdunk vote MoosyDoosy for Martyring. Sense. Did I know that MoosyDoosy is actually town and know have a free excuse to lynch him? Sense. + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2015 08:18 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Not quite what I had in mind, but that works too.On November 17 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: MoosyDoosy Yes, let us get this over with. ##vote MoosyDoosy If you ever feel like answering my question, I'm listening. 8. Unvote MoosyDoosy cause Farah suggests using PR's on him. Suspicious of scott and VE. Despite citing that I am not comfortable lynching VE earlier. Did I know that town has not a cop but a vigi and shooting Moosy, who I know is town sounds like a great Idea? Sense. + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2015 09:27 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Ugh, I hate this so much, but I guess you're probably right...On November 17 2015 09:22 FarahBlackwing wrote: Sure he could, but shoot him/cop check him instead of using a lynch on him if you are so inclined. ##unvote Scott31337 or VisceraEyes stand out the most to me right now. Waiting for Fecalfeast to post his filter analysis, though. 9. I notice that FF has no scum reads at the moment and start to get suspicious. Sense. + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2015 09:43 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + You had two scumreads, VisceraEyes and MoosyDoosy. You're no longer scumreading both of them.On November 17 2015 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote: On November 17 2015 09:36 Trfel wrote: Also, Fecalfeast, I believe you have zero scum reads right now? Do you plan on doing something about that in the near future? VE went from scum to null but sure. What are you even asking here? "FF you gonna keep playing?" I was just wanting your thoughts on that, that's all. How much past experience do you have with MoosyDoosy? Anyway, off to my exam. 10. Since I am not comfortable lynching VE I vote scott, my other prime suspect scott. What of FF? [yellow]Sense[/yellow]. + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2015 00:55 Trfel wrote: ##vote scott31337 I won't be able to catch up by the deadline. But scott31337 hasn't shown critical thinking, and his activity has been pretty awful. This post shows a lack of critical thinking in particular, he's trying to say stuff, trying to make an argument, but all he really says is that MoosyDoosy is town because he's town, and because he did the same thing last game as town (which obviously does not make him town). Scott31337 still hasn't taken a stance on me, despite saying that he would many hours ago. Given the lack of original reads and thinking in his posts, I find him getting so upset at MoosyDoosy's play difficult to believe. 11. I could lynch MoosyDoosy, but I really hope the vigi shoots him. I also kinda think VE is mafia again. Sense. + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2015 01:05 Trfel wrote: I don't want to lynch The Shining. He said that he was trying to do more work right when the game began to make up for not being able to play Monday and Tuesday, and his posting rate was much higher than it generally is. In addition to activity, his posts show attempts to gain information. Many of The Shining's scum games show fewer, larger posts to try and stay alive, rather than trying to pressure things to gain information. FarahBlackwing's post about The Shining was very good, particularly with regards to The Shining's slight shows of emotion this game. It's very different from The Shining's most recent mafia game. I could lynch MoosyDoosy, but I'm more confident in scott31337. MoosyDoosy is a wild card, scott31337 generally puts forward a good effort as town. On November 18 2015 01:52 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I'm kind of here, it's a bit complicated, I'd rather not get into it.....On November 18 2015 01:45 NocturneMage wrote: Wait, Trfel you are here. You're not on my lynch list but can you explain unless I missed it somewhere, you dropped the scumread on VE or concluded at some point in your filter that VE might not be mafia and then you looked to him and Scott again. So what changed? I think that VisceraEyes looks a bit scummy right now, but I would rather lynch scott31337. Show nested quote + This post is the thing I hadn't considered, while I don't like the explanation it makes more sense than what I was considering before.On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing. I haven't had enough time to fully re-evaluate VisceraEyes, but given that almost everyone is reluctant to lynch him today, it's kind of an irrelevant point for now. 12. Since I don't like geript I think his push on Breshke, who I like, Is clearly scum motivated. I also see this connection between scott and geript. Therefore geript is cleary trying to steer the lynch away from scott, who has like no votes on him. Thus I want ppl to lynch scott... not geript whos push is cleary mafia motivated or moosydoosy who was tied with Breshke and I want to be shot by the vigi. I also go ahead and defend Breshke some more. Sense. + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote: Wait, what the heck? This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here. Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town. Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas. He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia. So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched? I don't like this one bit. On November 18 2015 04:42 Trfel wrote: There is clearly a direction in Breshke's filter, and there are also some very insightful comments. The latter is the huge part of Breshke's town play, and it's very present this game. Looking through Breshke's filter, here's his direction: Early question to Eversince, ends in town lean Townread on The Shining Town lean on geript and ritoky Scum read on MoosyDoosy Investigating VisceraEyes Willing to lynch MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, and scott31337, still trying to figure out VisceraEyes Votes for MoosyDoosy The interesting thing here is that he's actually engaging with his scumreads and trying to get more information. He questioned VisceraEyes with a very sensible progression. His reads make sense and his pushes all have a followup. 13. Since I think scott is mafia I push him some more and make a case. Sense. + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2015 04:43 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + It's not a lack of time thing. Town with a lack of time doesn't produce scott31337's filter.On November 18 2015 04:37 disformation wrote: On November 18 2015 04:36 ritoky wrote: i have large problems with scott posting another "not gonna be here for a long time or actually say anything worthwhile" post. his excuse to content ratio is very high. Yes that is right. What gives me a bit of pause is the cousin with MS thing... By dick move analysis I think scott would not fake this. So he might have genuinely had no time? At least my gut feeling is telling me so. Brain says his filter is... uh... bad. Scott31337's filter shows zero thinking and zero desire to solve the game. Town with lack of time produces a short, incomplete filter that attempts to solve the game with limited time. The two are completely different. On November 18 2015 04:52 Trfel wrote: Quick Summary of scott31337's Filter Here's the reads summary of scott31337's first post. Show nested quote + Why is the "not lynching right now but want to see more" category even included?On November 17 2015 00:47 scott31337 wrote: Trfel and Moosy would be my top lynches right now - Eversince 3rd - I'm just not seeing that town spark with all the posting. I thought Breshke's first post asking questions was okay but then fell off. Ritoky/VE/Geript top towns NM/FBW/The Shining not lynching right now but want to see more Breshke/FF in the meh category ##Vote: Trfel The reasoning is very lacking. "I'm not seeing the spark" for Eversince's posting, but just read any one Eversince post, it's very obviously pointed and shows a unique mindset. This is a really useless phrase and I don't understand how this is true. Show nested quote + This is an extremely useless comment. This says actually nothing. Yet he doesn't unvote until later, and has NEVER come to a conclusion about this. The random unvote timing makes no sense. The lack of analysis of my case makes no sense, he's not even trying.On November 17 2015 05:54 scott31337 wrote: On November 17 2015 05:05 Trfel wrote: VisceraEyes (again) Note: Eversince will be addressed in a following post 1. On Eversince and FarahBlackwing Eversince's initial post, voting for The Shining On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote: Eversince's later post explaining the clear flaw in the above argument:On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: Farahblackwing Soooo mafia. Lynch today! On November 16 2015 06:30 Eversince wrote: To clarify, The Shining lurked bad last game I played with. Farah town reads him regardless. This game, Farah mafia reads The Shining. He had not even posted yet. Yeh! It's completely different play! Buggers! Sorry for pointin' it out! VisceraEyes responds to this is a way that doesn't make sense at all. Before my case on VisceraEyes and the second post above from Eversince, VisceraEyes posted these posts: On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote: On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: Farahblackwing Soooo mafia. Lynch today! I actually like this a lot. ##Vote: Farahblackwing On November 16 2015 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote: On November 16 2015 05:38 The Shining wrote: On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote: On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: Farahblackwing Soooo mafia. Lynch today! I actually like this a lot. ##Vote: Farahblackwing What about it do you like? I see a short meta read based off of one newbie game, from a newbie. I wouldn't be nearly this confident in meta reading someone after just one game. And how do you know its even accurate? Did you check the last game or are you just blindly trusting to get on a wagon here? I don't care if it's accurate - if they're mafia and lying someone will come in and say "Hey that's a lie" and I'll reevaluate then. At this point I'm taking the short meta read at face value, assuming it's true and taking the attempt as a townie attempt to find mafia - one that has possibly borne fruit. So no, I'm not just "blindly" jumping on a wagon. I like this particular wagon for the reasons given and I like the person who started it, as indicated in my post. On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote: On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote: If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town. Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 These three posts show that VisceraEyes is treating Eversince's first post seriously. He says that he likes Eversince's argument, and that he's townreading Eversince and scumreading FarahBlackwing because of it. Furthermore, he uses this repeatedly in his argument with The Shining, which apparently leads to a scumread of The Shining, shown by this post (among others): On November 16 2015 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote: You're getting awfully anxious about me trusting someone so early Shining, I have to say it looks really scummy to me. Why are you so against me having a townread on someone and a scumread on someone else? After my case and Eversince's post, showing that Eversince's early vote on FarahBlackwing had no basis, VisceraEyes says this: On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Ok, so he wasn't being serious earlier. Not only did he make a joke, but then he defended his joke several times, to the point of scumreading The Shining for it.Also I'm back! ##Unvote I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. I just can't believe this. 2. General For the moment, let's assume that VisceraEyes was in fact joking with his first series of posts, and let's ignore that this makes no sense. VisceraEyes receives a bunch of town reads after he leaves, notably from geript and ritoky. Notice how VisceraEyes leaves in the same minute that geript posts a strong townread of him. VisceraEyes made three posts upon return, shown below: + Show Spoiler [VisceraEyes' Posts] + On November 16 2015 21:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 16:21 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 15:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 16 2015 15:50 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 15:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 16 2015 15:42 ritoky wrote: why does you playing on other sites render meta worthless exactly? I can give you links to games for reference if you desire, but my play has changed a ton than what it usually was. okay, with your new improved play; could you tell me who is mafia or town? It's not necessarily improved but: Farah disformation Shining geript is this the town list or mafia list? i can't tell I think it's both...the question itself was a little ambiguous so maybe he just answered it as best he could, including both townreads and mafiareads? On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back! ##Unvote I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted. The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you. So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by. On November 16 2015 21:39 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Fecalfeast JUST IN CASE THERE WAS ANY DOUBT AS TO THE SERIOUSNESS OF MY POST!!!!!! VisceraEyes' next two posts are his thoughts about the game, and the only thoughts about the game that he's posted, assuming that his earlier posts were in jest. He says that he likes most of the people who have been posting (ok, so who doesn't he like then? not useful), and that he doesn't like Fecalfeast. I personally don't really like this Fecalfeast read, but whatever, it's sort of up for interpretation. But this is his ONLY read. Note that he spends a fair amount of this post responding to the townreads he's received. He's very aware of them, and this shows in his play. His activity tanked, he's not being useful or constructive, he made the terrible statement "I like most people who posted so far", which a perfect example of useless and lazy play. 3. Response to meta reads + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 05:50 geript wrote: Hm, people townreading VisceraEyes very strongly with little explanation. Where have I seen this before?I'm not voting for VE ever. This game. Everyone townread VisceraEyes for no reason. I thought VisceraEyes was scum. Everyone ignored me on the basis that "he's town". Guess what, he was scum. In fact, look at VisceraEyes' first post in that game. On August 26 2015 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Look familiar?Hi I'm town. Marv playing like Palmar makes me vom a little in my mouth. Otherwise I like most everyone who's posted so far. I don't see how the metareads given about VisceraEyes apply to this game. Either ~80% of his posts in this game were not serious, or he is clearly lying to try and explain his play. Ritoky's meta read has nothing to do with what I have presented, he didn't mention the posts related to this at all. As for geript's: On November 16 2015 06:13 geript wrote: I don't understand this read. I've seen VisceraEyes jump on things and not push them into oblivion as mafia, too. For example, look at the game I linked; VisceraEyes was scumreading both Palmar and I but when Palmar asked him to reread the entire game under the assumption that we were both town and then share his thoughts, he did so (or at least partially did so).Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 06:09 Trfel wrote: On November 16 2015 05:50 geript wrote: You're going to need to explain this.I'm not voting for VE ever. Read other VE games. He's really easy to read when he gets semi active. Part of it is based in the fact that VE and I scum hunt rather differently. He takes on an egocentric (in the technical sense not in the asshole sense) view of other players; i.e. How he acts when he's scum and applies it to them. So when you see him jump on certain things in an accusatory way (especially when he's not trying to assream them) he's almost always town. My case stands for itself, I've had enough of random meta. I was able to actually follow this case and see your point of view, unlike your first "case". Now I need to decide if you are actually town - or posting scummy cases like you did in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi and try to mislynch everyone to win. The fact that he repeats this non-argument, useless comment suggests that he's just trying to avoid my argument instead of address it. He can't scumread me and he knows it, but he's avoiding townreading me and avoiding listening to what I have to say. Finally, look at his progression on MoosyDoosy. 1. MoosyDoosy is mafia! 2. MoosyDoosy is town for martyring, he did this last game as mafia 3. Votes MoosyDoosy because he wants to kill lazy town ZERO changed between 2 and 3. Zero. He expected that MoosyDoosy would stop martyring and actually play? Scott31337 shows zero thinking and zero read progression. This is not a town mindset at all. On November 18 2015 04:58 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 00:47 scott31337 wrote: Trfel and Moosy would be my top lynches right now - Eversince 3rd - I'm just not seeing that town spark with all the posting. Show nested quote + In this post, scott31337 is treating MoosyDoosy like 100% town? What?On November 17 2015 11:19 scott31337 wrote: On November 17 2015 07:38 Trfel wrote: On November 17 2015 07:33 Breshke wrote: Sorry, I didn't mean your thoughts on VisceraEyes' stance on Fecalfeast, I was looking for your thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast (two separate reads).On November 17 2015 07:30 Trfel wrote: Breshke, any thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast? What makes geript's ranking out of 7 post any different from a standard list post? I have no problem with VE's read on FF seems to be a classic " he isn't doing stuff so lynch him". IDK i said it was dumb but people normally do stuff out of 10 or a percent or like out of 5. He did 7 so someone could be like "Why the fuck is it out of 7" and he would need to explain which would bring more attention to his reads etc I don't really understand the whole 7 thing at all. You know that geript is a strong scum player, so why wouldn't he want attention to be paid to his reads? Is geript a player who hides in a corner as mafia? On November 17 2015 07:35 Breshke wrote: On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back! ##Unvote I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted. The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you. So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by. Trefel the bolded makes me fairly sure all the shining stuff was just pressure. Did he say otherwise? On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes, he did.No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing. On November 17 2015 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm awake, Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings. 1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday. 2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today. 3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later. 4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game. I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either. Posts like this make Farah Mafia. And NM is town. On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point. So frustrating His ass was town in the last game too and did this. Playing against wincon is not cool. On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do. And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks. I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage. See even if Moosy sucks and I decide not to play with him in the future if he's town - this should not get you down either. A depressed town is a failtown. Please do not! We waited so long for this game to start. Okay? I'm at page 28 and would rather watch the Football game then read this. ##Unvote I may be back later, or on tomorrow. Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 14:42 scott31337 wrote: Fuck Moosy and his lazy ass town game We will not have it. Show nested quote + Nothing changed. Nothing at all. Except for scott31337's read, it did a 180.On November 18 2015 02:00 scott31337 wrote: I have a meeting to go to and then a site to install some AP's. I'll be back before deadline, hopefully - and still only to page 32. ##Vote: Moosydoosy 14. I still don't like geript and VE, but like Breshke. Aren't my reads a bit stale? [yellow]Sense.[/yellow] + Show Spoiler + On November 19 2015 03:26 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I'll address the rest of geript's posts later. But this post is the most ridiculous.On November 18 2015 14:46 geript wrote: On November 18 2015 04:42 Trfel wrote: There is clearly a direction in Breshke's filter, and there are also some very insightful comments. The latter is the huge part of Breshke's town play, and it's very present this game. Looking through Breshke's filter, here's his direction: Early question to Eversince, ends in town lean Townread on The Shining Town lean on geript and ritoky Scum read on MoosyDoosy Investigating VisceraEyes Willing to lynch MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, and scott31337, still trying to figure out VisceraEyes Votes for MoosyDoosy The interesting thing here is that he's actually engaging with his scumreads and trying to get more information. He questioned VisceraEyes with a very sensible progression. His reads make sense and his pushes all have a followup. My points on Breshke covered this entirely. Breshke should not be read on his reads. It's about how he interacts with and acts in response to what's happening in the thread. Him blandly asking questions that go no where and lead to no conclusions is part of his scum meta. So what Trfel has pointed towards is specifically his scum meta and Trfel is trying to paint him town for it. Geript's claims are simply not true. I've tried to illustrate that by describing Breshke's thought process and read progression, Breshke's filter shows questions that are probing his suspects. And Breshke is certainly coming to conclusions, "willing to lynch" is a pretty strong conclusion. Read Breshke's filter for yourself and it's obvious. On November 19 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote: Change of plans, I guess I'm not going somewhere at the deadline. My case on VisceraEyes still stands. VisceraEyes had a sort-of plausible explanation for the main point of my case, however his recent lack of activity is extremely mafia-motivated. He vanished right after people started scumreading him less, right after he was pretty safe from the Day 1 lynch. And he hasn't come back since. There's no risk of him being lynched tonight, so there's no point in him playing. This feels like mafia who is being lazy and playing to survive, but he knows that he won't be able to survive for too long and that's killing his motivation. I thought that FarahBlackwing was probably town, but MoosyDoosy's case brought up several good points. FarahBlackwing's response, however, was even more suspicious. FarahBlackwing hasn't shown much determination at all lately, and her unwillingness to seriously answer the case is not at all what I would expect from town. She said she's busy today, I guess I'll give her a day before I make any conclusions. On November 19 2015 04:57 Trfel wrote: geript Early read on The Shining + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 05:52 geript wrote: I don't like Shining. He feels really different; not because he's posting a bit more than I remember him. His posting just seems off and not pointed to me. On November 16 2015 15:16 geript wrote: Hm, that's strange. Where did The Shining go?Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 08:04 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 07:51 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 06:17 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: [quote] Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in. Pretty sure he's town at least for now. Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining. From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him Alright, thanks. Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself. quoting for empty promise potential. Should have said "maybe, if two suns rise tomorrow morning will I look at some past games." Nah, for realz, he only has two maffay games in the database, so I will be looking at those next. Despite me saying that I don't recall playing with The Shining we were both town in NSM IX. So I am currently reading both our filters from that game trying to recall stuff. that's cool, i expect content later though. however before you finish that i am more interested on your thoughts on the actual game, not how it relates to previous games. who do you think is town? who is mafia? who is bad? who's ego is too big? y'kno....the usual Fair enough. Since I haven't played with the shining much, I am not that confident I will find amazing things in those old games. But I did try and pressure him in NSM9 a few times because I felt like he wasn't doing much. He was town in this game. So I am already not too sure about the meta read. His filter length in "Battle of the Drams", where he was mafia, is pretty similar to the one in NSM9, too... Well, back to this game: As stated before I have a town lean on geript for driving the game and prodding ppl into explaining stuff. Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated. FF: null. Only reaction so far is to me having his name in a post. Lurking? ritoky: Getting an investigating/engaging/driving the thread feel, so town lean. The early discussion stuff with Eversince, Farah, The Shining and VE was a bit strange to me, since I read the early posts by Eversince and Farah as jokes to get stuff going (well: mission accomplished). Not sure about VE, but both ppl I have as a town lean, say he is town based on meta, so I'll probably be a lazy cunt and sheep them (for now). yo geript, what do you think of the bolded? like...why was it included? I'm 99% sure I've coached disinformation. I just can't remember if it was as scum or town. I really want to look at that before I give a full read on him. The bolded doesn't terribly mark me either way other than the question mark. He's made what would seem to be questions out of statements a few times. He kinda bugs me a bit but without going back to see how he thinks it's hard to say if it's scummy or just bad play. Right now. 7/7---VE/Ritoky 6/7-- 5/7-- 4.5/7--Farah 4/7--everyone else 3.5/7--Breshke 3/7--Disinfo 2/7--Trfel 1/7--Moosy I'm seriously like 99% sure moosy is scum. On November 17 2015 17:16 geript wrote: One last post. I'll be up around noon hopefully to look at things. I think Shinig or moosy would be my lynch choice. On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote: Two more posts about The Shining from geript's filter.Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now. I don't understand this progression, at all. Geript started out by saying that The Shining is mafia, then completely dropped his read on him, then put him as a top lynch, then decided that he's likely town for things that have already been said. On November 18 2015 01:05 Trfel wrote: Here's a post that I made before geript's post here, townreading The Shining. FarahBlackwing said similar things as well. These points were clearly visible before, geript just ignored them until he came back with this list post. He didn't reference any of the people who had posted the same thoughts before. Basically geript wasn't paying attention to one of his top scumreads.I don't want to lynch The Shining. He said that he was trying to do more work right when the game began to make up for not being able to play Monday and Tuesday, and his posting rate was much higher than it generally is. In addition to activity, his posts show attempts to gain information. Many of The Shining's scum games show fewer, larger posts to try and stay alive, rather than trying to pressure things to gain information. FarahBlackwing's post about The Shining was very good, particularly with regards to The Shining's slight shows of emotion this game. It's very different from The Shining's most recent mafia game. I could lynch MoosyDoosy, but I'm more confident in scott31337. MoosyDoosy is a wild card, scott31337 generally puts forward a good effort as town. This isn't 100% clear, I don't have time to explain it fully, but nothing changed in a very long time with The Shining, since he was busy and afk after the early portion of the game. These same points were clear the entire time. Many of geript's posts are just criticizing others for no reason/bad reasons + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2015 15:30 geript wrote: Breshke makes a point that leads him to a town lean on geript. I questioned it, and Breshke responded. The discussion ended there, and then geript made the above post about 8 hours later. Town!geript shouldn't care about this, because the discussion has been long since over, and because the conclusion isn't incorrect. Geript is not drawing any conclusion himself from this post, either. There's just zero reason for this post to be made as town.Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 07:33 Breshke wrote: On November 17 2015 07:30 Trfel wrote: Breshke, any thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast? What makes geript's ranking out of 7 post any different from a standard list post? I have no problem with VE's read on FF seems to be a classic " he isn't doing stuff so lynch him". IDK i said it was dumb but people normally do stuff out of 10 or a percent or like out of 5. He did 7 so someone could be like "Why the fuck is it out of 7" and he would need to explain which would bring more attention to his reads etc There's really nothing special about it. For scientific studies, usually we talk about rating things on an odd scale (5 or 7 usually). 1 and 7 are extremes; 4 is exactly in the middle, 2-3 and 5-6 leaning but not there. It just actually fits things better: 7/7=total town no doubts 6/7=90% town but some doubts 5/7=more likely town than not but ??? 4/7=null 3/7=more likely scum than not but ??? 2/7=90% scum but some doubts 1/7=total scum Like this is such an irrelevant point. get back to something important. On November 17 2015 15:22 geript wrote: Bold emphasis mine.Trfel has stayed teh same; but I kinda don't want to lynch him D1 because I remembered when I woke up that Tina says he always looks scummy D1 but gets better. I didn't like his stuff on Disinfo; just felt over inflated. It's not awful, but it is a bit over inflated it hink Given that I said here that I messed up and misinterpreted something for the most important point of my post, geript's statement is an extremely accurate description. Which in no way makes me mafia, it means that I messed up. His conclusion comes from nowhere. Running out of time, there are more examples, but I need to get this out before the deadline. Finally, geript's reads on Breshke and me don't show anything. Geript never addressed the points about my case on VisceraEyes, one of his strongest townreads. He just said that my case is awful. When I said that he never addressed my case, he posted criticisms of a few random thoughts on scott31337. He didn't even comment on my more complete case on scott31337, he commented on the extremely brief summary. He also drastically misrepresents my statements. His read on Breshke involves a ton of claims that just aren't true. Show nested quote + Breshke doesn't have questions that go nowhere, and he definitely has drawn conclusions. I described that in the very post that he quoted. Geript just said "no, Trfel is misrepresenting things" without addressing that my argument is based on facts which were clearly laid out in the post.On November 18 2015 14:46 geript wrote: On November 18 2015 04:42 Trfel wrote: There is clearly a direction in Breshke's filter, and there are also some very insightful comments. The latter is the huge part of Breshke's town play, and it's very present this game. Looking through Breshke's filter, here's his direction: Early question to Eversince, ends in town lean Townread on The Shining Town lean on geript and ritoky Scum read on MoosyDoosy Investigating VisceraEyes Willing to lynch MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, and scott31337, still trying to figure out VisceraEyes Votes for MoosyDoosy The interesting thing here is that he's actually engaging with his scumreads and trying to get more information. He questioned VisceraEyes with a very sensible progression. His reads make sense and his pushes all have a followup. My points on Breshke covered this entirely. Breshke should not be read on his reads. It's about how he interacts with and acts in response to what's happening in the thread. Him blandly asking questions that go no where and lead to no conclusions is part of his scum meta. So what Trfel has pointed towards is specifically his scum meta and Trfel is trying to paint him town for it. Conclusion I'm not completely sure on geript yet. He seems really scummy, but he also has a large ego as town. Geript, if you are town, humor me for a moment. Explain things in a way that a lesser player (aka the vast majority of this game) can understand (aka no meta, and a clear connection between evidence and conclusions). Why is Breshke mafia? Why is VisceraEyes town? Why are the points that I have brought up invalid? I've demonstrated how my conclusions come from the thread, it's your turn. 15. I really do not believe Farah's claim and think she is hunting for the Vigilante. Last opinion of Farah was suspicion. Sense. I also want to lynch her despite no cc and am absolutely opposed to the idea of the Vigi claiming, because... uh... oh... it doesn't matter? Sense. + Show Spoiler + On November 19 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote: Change of plans, I guess I'm not going somewhere at the deadline. My case on VisceraEyes still stands. VisceraEyes had a sort-of plausible explanation for the main point of my case, however his recent lack of activity is extremely mafia-motivated. He vanished right after people started scumreading him less, right after he was pretty safe from the Day 1 lynch. And he hasn't come back since. There's no risk of him being lynched tonight, so there's no point in him playing. This feels like mafia who is being lazy and playing to survive, but he knows that he won't be able to survive for too long and that's killing his motivation. I thought that FarahBlackwing was probably town, but MoosyDoosy's case brought up several good points. FarahBlackwing's response, however, was even more suspicious. FarahBlackwing hasn't shown much determination at all lately, and her unwillingness to seriously answer the case is not at all what I would expect from town. She said she's busy today, I guess I'll give her a day before I make any conclusions. On November 19 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: The fact that she claimed, but didn't bother going through MoosyDoosy's case point by point is really, really suspicious. I know I'm not the only one who asked for that. Would FarahBlackwing fakeclaim here as town? I would think not, but am I wrong? On November 19 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I can't see this coming from a person who would fakeclaim here as town. That settles that.On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do. And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks. I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage. On November 19 2015 07:31 Trfel wrote: FarahBlackwing, why do you care so much about figuring out who the vigilante is? On November 19 2015 07:35 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Why does it matter so much to you if the vigilante claims now or not? The vigilante will claim when the time is correct in their own judgement.On November 19 2015 07:33 FarahBlackwing wrote: Because the correct play is for the vigilante to claim as the day begins to have as much information as possible. The only time a vigilante should not claim is with multiple shots. Like, imagine that the vigilante claims right now. How does this help you more as opposed to the vigilante claiming later? On November 19 2015 07:45 Trfel wrote: Ugh, I hate being sick, it makes it so hard for me to think T.T I'm really, really considering lynching FarahBlackwing here. The only reason for her to claim this early is that she doesn't have enough time to properly defend herself. Show nested quote + So she's really busy, but she spent time trying to guess who the vigilante is (of all things) instead of responding to the case? Instead of trying to find mafia?On November 19 2015 06:53 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'll head this off now probably not enough time to fight off a snowball. Hard claiming blue. Show nested quote + This is in no way a justification for the time spent.On November 19 2015 07:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Read what I wrote and apply it. Information is king withholding information when you are a glorified vt now is anti-town especially the leathery out wait the more mafia can mess with town. To me, it almost feels like FarahBlackwing's attempts to find the vigilante were to figure out what the thread influence would look like post-claim, which is useful to know if she's mafia. Especially if she's mafia trying to do something like fakeclaim. Fecalfeast doesn't have a large amount of thread presence, and imagining for a moment that he became confirmed town by claiming vigilante, I don't think that much would change. Meaning that mafia thread influence would be maximized, encouraging a fakeclaim. On November 19 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Then can you please answer the points that MoosyDoosy brought up?On November 19 2015 07:49 FarahBlackwing wrote: Never lynch an uncc blue your dumb otherwise. Can you please explain how it is beneficial to try and figure out who the vigilante is? On November 19 2015 08:00 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Okay, so let's assume for a moment that you're right, and the vigilante is stupid for not claiming.On November 19 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote: On November 19 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote: On November 19 2015 07:49 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then can you please answer the points that MoosyDoosy brought up?Never lynch an uncc blue your dumb otherwise. Can you please explain how it is beneficial to try and figure out who the vigilante is? because at worst the vigi is just a confirmed town which lowers the lynch pool by 1 (2 if farah is legit). at best the vigi baits a cc from mafia and we get a 1:1. there is actually 0 reason to not claim as vigi post-shot unless they are trying to avoid having me tell them why they are stupid for shooting geript or ve. We find who the vigilante is, then we know who is stupid. Yay? The vigilante wouldn't avoid claiming if they're under a sufficient amount of suspicion anyway, no matter what. So you can assume that the vigilante isn't that highly suspected. So IT DOESN'T MATTER. On November 19 2015 08:23 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Of course the vigilante will claim if they're at risk of being lynched. That was never in question.On November 19 2015 08:14 FarahBlackwing wrote: Yeah that's dumb. Vigilante should always claim after he's out of bullets. For the same reason self aware Miller's and named vanilla townies should claim. More confirmed people leads town to better lynched. I have three 8 hour third shifts with mandatory overtime recertification in the mornings. My time is precious. Assuming that the vigilante is not currently at risk of being lynched, which is an extremely safe assumption, why do you care about the vigilante claiming more than you do finding mafia? On November 19 2015 08:25 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Sure.On November 19 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote ##Vote farahblackwing Lets ride ##vote FarahBlackwing On November 19 2015 08:58 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + This post was made 15 minutes before the deadline.On November 19 2015 03:45 FarahBlackwing wrote: Confirmed Town: Scott Farah I think They Are Town: Shining Geript Moos NocturneMage I thought they were town now they are falling VE Eversince Ritoky Not Sure Disformation Breshke Trfel Good Chance of Scum FF I haven't done much research this game like I did last game, Ritoky could move into the Not sure and so could VE. Ever I hope comes back. And its still forming a bit and the game is rather hard at this juncture. Six minutes after the deadline. Breshke and Fecalfeast both did not make any posts in between. There is zero reason for FarahBlackwing's read to change. This is the only piece of scumhunting that FarahBlackwing has done today, if you call it that. She's made a ton of posts trying to find the vigilante, and a ton of posts saying that she isn't going to explain anything or work with anyone. But no time to actually find scum. Or perhaps more accurately, no desire to actually find scum. I can't really see how there is any doubt. 16. I get frustrated cause no one is listening to my cases and calls me scum for it. Sense. + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2015 07:50 Trfel wrote: Ritoky, how stupid do you think I am? Do you really think that as mafia with a ton of momentum, I'd go into Day 2 and push an un-cc'd blue? Just to back off when they replace out? Instead of all of the other fairly easy targets in the thread? Like, why would mafia ever do this? FarahBlackwing's play made no sense at all, I couldn't possibly see it coming from town. I still can't. If Damdred is town, hopefully mafia will kill him soon. On November 20 2015 07:54 Trfel wrote: I just don't understand this, at all. This is why I play mafia so infrequently now. So many people with their stupid unexplained reads. Who don't listen to what I have to say. I get ignored all of the time. At least people paid a token of attention to me this game, only to blame me for the mislynch and decide that I'm obviously scum because of it. Clearly it wasn't their fault at all for following me. So. Dumb. On November 20 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote: Like, I'm pouring so much time into this game. During my exam week, when I said I'd be busy. And now I'm being lynched because "geript said..." When geript didn't do a single towny thing all game long? I don't care that geript's flipped town, that DOES NOT make him right. AS PROVEN BY MY ROLE PM. Use a bit of sense. 17. Well, lets revisit my only remaining suspicious person: FF. Stale much? [yellow]Sense[/yellow]. + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote: Fecalfeast Here the posts that Fecalfeast has made this game that show his read progression. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not really reading too closely. Watching CFL with my dad and bro. Tone/feel reads telling me farah is town, geript is town, disform is mafia ever is towny... Refs in this game are blind On November 16 2015 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh disforms ninja post is fine for now. On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote: VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure. town: ritoky trfel nocturne mafia: moose ve that's all I got On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him On November 17 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 08:07 Breshke wrote: On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him why? He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel On November 17 2015 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote I'm going to completely ignore moose for the rest of this game but I believe that he is really being that much of a female dog about rolling town. On November 17 2015 09:47 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 09:43 Trfel wrote: On November 17 2015 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote: You had two scumreads, VisceraEyes and MoosyDoosy. You're no longer scumreading both of them.On November 17 2015 09:36 Trfel wrote: Also, Fecalfeast, I believe you have zero scum reads right now? Do you plan on doing something about that in the near future? VE went from scum to null but sure. What are you even asking here? "FF you gonna keep playing?" I was just wanting your thoughts on that, that's all. How much past experience do you have with MoosyDoosy? Anyway, off to my exam. I hosted the game where he bused the dick off his whole team as mafia. He legitimately seems like a player who much prefers scum play over town play. That said, I also agree with the idea that giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame. Fuck it ##vote mooseydoosey On November 17 2015 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote: scott's filter is unappetizing and stingily portioned. 0 stars out of 5 On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again On November 17 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote: If I were scum and moose was town, I'd be laughing it up in scum qt right now about how, unless he gets vigged, we have a guaranteed mislynch in lylo. Which means we should probably get rid of him sooner than later. On November 19 2015 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote: 1. Unless someone claims a vig shot on Geript, he was the only one adamant about trfel being scum and was getting upset that nobody listened to him. 2. His day 1 suspicions from his filter: VE, Moose, Scott, Me. I know 3/4 of those are town 100% while moose is showing some towny play since yesterday. 3. Totally willing to vote an uncc'd blue because she's martyring. On November 19 2015 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I can't say I'm tunneled on you trfel but right now that's where my brain is. I've only just been in your filter and i will take a closer look later. I've still got shit to do right now tho On November 20 2015 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote: I will kill bresh or trfel because geript confirmed the mafia kill makes it more likely he was offed for his reads, since mafia knows we have a vet* they wouldn't worry about a medic dodge. *assuming farah's claim was real On November 20 2015 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd be more comfortable lynching breshke over angry!trfel So, there are a few trends shown by the above posts. 1. Whoever posts is town
The disinformation post that caused Fecalfeast to change his read isn't that great. It's the first actual reads post that disinformation has made all game, and it was only made on request. But this caused a dramatic change in Fecalfeast's read? Enough to make him never seriously discuss disformation again? The way he downplayed his scumread on VisceraEyes is terrible. "I side with trfel on VE for sure", leading to a townread on Trfel and a scumread on VisceraEyes. Then, "ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him" and "He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel". First, VisceraEyes' Fecalfeast read wasn't a part of my case on VisceraEyes. The fact that this is what Fecalfeast mentioned, while also saying that his scumread came purely from my case, does not make sense at all. For MoosyDoosy, his reasons are debatable, but the important thing is that he voted for MoosyDoosy again later. More on this later. At the same time as Fecalfeast backed off of me (Trfel), he pushed onto Breshke. And he hadn't mentioned Breshke before. This push came out of nowhere. He said he'd rather lynch Breshke because I was "angry". Every single time, there's a person who makes some posts, and Fecalfeast removes his scumread on that person. This is every single time that Fecalfeast has removed a scumread on someone. This reeks of "don't hurt me, I'm not scumreading you!" 2. "Decision" about Day 1 lynch target Fecalfeast first includes MoosyDoosy as mafia in his list (no reason given), then votes MoosyDoosy for martyring. Then he unvotes MoosyDoosy because he thinks MoosyDoosy is just that obnoxious when he rolls town. At this point, Fecalfeast had zero scum reads. So, he went back and voted for MoosyDoosy again, reasoning being that "giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame". It's noteworthy that at this time, there was a lot of push for lynching MoosyDoosy. This vote on MoosyDoosy is extremely opportunistic and seems to be a patch for Fecalfeast having zero reads. Ritoky, one of the game's highest-influence players, then says that MoosyDoosy is exempt from being lynched. Fecalfeast immediately says he will look into scott31337. And then says he could kill scott31337. He doesn't care one bit about who is lynched, which is shown by his post saying that town ignoring MoosyDoosy causes them to automatically lose LYLO if MoosyDoosy is town, but ultimately vote for scott31337 instead of MoosyDoosy with no new reasons presented. The progression is basically:
3. Other factors I don't really have time to explain this as in detail, but namely his play on Day 3. He said that he didn't like disformation, but he never followed up on this or explained this at all. He said that I (Trfel) was suspicious primarily because of night kill analysis, but never actually addressed any of my posts or arguments like I asked him to, and like he said he would. Then he moved to Breshke, who he only mentioned once before in his filter, with a TOWN LEAN. Okay. Conclusion Fecalfeast is always taking the easy route, always making the easy reads. He's always keeping one scum read and when that stops being easy, he's just moving to the new easy scum read. His apathy towards the Day 1 lynch between two townies and forced read switches are extremely suspicious. On November 20 2015 09:06 Trfel wrote: ##vote Fecalfeast Yup. I guess Fecalfeast is never mafia, because he doesn't have any scumreads, so he can't ever be wrong. Because being wrong makes you scum. On November 20 2015 12:24 Trfel wrote: I like how of all people, Fecalfeast chose to make a post on Breshke. The person suspected by nearly everyone in the game, the person who hasn't posted in 24 hours. If that's not the easiest push in the world, then I don't know what is. 18. Still pushing FF, cause I think he is maffay. Sense. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2015 00:15 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Either I missed something, or Fecalfeast is mafia. There is nothing in between.On November 20 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote: Fecalfeast Here the posts that Fecalfeast has made this game that show his read progression. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not really reading too closely. Watching CFL with my dad and bro. Tone/feel reads telling me farah is town, geript is town, disform is mafia ever is towny... Refs in this game are blind On November 16 2015 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh disforms ninja post is fine for now. On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote: VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure. town: ritoky trfel nocturne mafia: moose ve that's all I got On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him On November 17 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 08:07 Breshke wrote: On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him why? He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel On November 17 2015 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote I'm going to completely ignore moose for the rest of this game but I believe that he is really being that much of a female dog about rolling town. On November 17 2015 09:47 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 09:43 Trfel wrote: On November 17 2015 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote: You had two scumreads, VisceraEyes and MoosyDoosy. You're no longer scumreading both of them.On November 17 2015 09:36 Trfel wrote: Also, Fecalfeast, I believe you have zero scum reads right now? Do you plan on doing something about that in the near future? VE went from scum to null but sure. What are you even asking here? "FF you gonna keep playing?" I was just wanting your thoughts on that, that's all. How much past experience do you have with MoosyDoosy? Anyway, off to my exam. I hosted the game where he bused the dick off his whole team as mafia. He legitimately seems like a player who much prefers scum play over town play. That said, I also agree with the idea that giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame. Fuck it ##vote mooseydoosey On November 17 2015 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote: scott's filter is unappetizing and stingily portioned. 0 stars out of 5 On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again On November 17 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote: If I were scum and moose was town, I'd be laughing it up in scum qt right now about how, unless he gets vigged, we have a guaranteed mislynch in lylo. Which means we should probably get rid of him sooner than later. On November 19 2015 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote: 1. Unless someone claims a vig shot on Geript, he was the only one adamant about trfel being scum and was getting upset that nobody listened to him. 2. His day 1 suspicions from his filter: VE, Moose, Scott, Me. I know 3/4 of those are town 100% while moose is showing some towny play since yesterday. 3. Totally willing to vote an uncc'd blue because she's martyring. On November 19 2015 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I can't say I'm tunneled on you trfel but right now that's where my brain is. I've only just been in your filter and i will take a closer look later. I've still got shit to do right now tho On November 20 2015 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote: I will kill bresh or trfel because geript confirmed the mafia kill makes it more likely he was offed for his reads, since mafia knows we have a vet* they wouldn't worry about a medic dodge. *assuming farah's claim was real On November 20 2015 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd be more comfortable lynching breshke over angry!trfel So, there are a few trends shown by the above posts. 1. Whoever posts is town
The disinformation post that caused Fecalfeast to change his read isn't that great. It's the first actual reads post that disinformation has made all game, and it was only made on request. But this caused a dramatic change in Fecalfeast's read? Enough to make him never seriously discuss disformation again? The way he downplayed his scumread on VisceraEyes is terrible. "I side with trfel on VE for sure", leading to a townread on Trfel and a scumread on VisceraEyes. Then, "ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him" and "He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel". First, VisceraEyes' Fecalfeast read wasn't a part of my case on VisceraEyes. The fact that this is what Fecalfeast mentioned, while also saying that his scumread came purely from my case, does not make sense at all. For MoosyDoosy, his reasons are debatable, but the important thing is that he voted for MoosyDoosy again later. More on this later. At the same time as Fecalfeast backed off of me (Trfel), he pushed onto Breshke. And he hadn't mentioned Breshke before. This push came out of nowhere. He said he'd rather lynch Breshke because I was "angry". Every single time, there's a person who makes some posts, and Fecalfeast removes his scumread on that person. This is every single time that Fecalfeast has removed a scumread on someone. This reeks of "don't hurt me, I'm not scumreading you!" 2. "Decision" about Day 1 lynch target Fecalfeast first includes MoosyDoosy as mafia in his list (no reason given), then votes MoosyDoosy for martyring. Then he unvotes MoosyDoosy because he thinks MoosyDoosy is just that obnoxious when he rolls town. At this point, Fecalfeast had zero scum reads. So, he went back and voted for MoosyDoosy again, reasoning being that "giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame". It's noteworthy that at this time, there was a lot of push for lynching MoosyDoosy. This vote on MoosyDoosy is extremely opportunistic and seems to be a patch for Fecalfeast having zero reads. Ritoky, one of the game's highest-influence players, then says that MoosyDoosy is exempt from being lynched. Fecalfeast immediately says he will look into scott31337. And then says he could kill scott31337. He doesn't care one bit about who is lynched, which is shown by his post saying that town ignoring MoosyDoosy causes them to automatically lose LYLO if MoosyDoosy is town, but ultimately vote for scott31337 instead of MoosyDoosy with no new reasons presented. The progression is basically:
3. Other factors I don't really have time to explain this as in detail, but namely his play on Day 3. He said that he didn't like disformation, but he never followed up on this or explained this at all. He said that I (Trfel) was suspicious primarily because of night kill analysis, but never actually addressed any of my posts or arguments like I asked him to, and like he said he would. Then he moved to Breshke, who he only mentioned once before in his filter, with a TOWN LEAN. Okay. Conclusion Fecalfeast is always taking the easy route, always making the easy reads. He's always keeping one scum read and when that stops being easy, he's just moving to the new easy scum read. His apathy towards the Day 1 lynch between two townies and forced read switches are extremely suspicious. I don't understand how everyone can ignore me, no matter how much work I put in. On November 21 2015 05:26 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + I don't see how Fecalfeast can be town here.On November 21 2015 05:23 The Shining wrote: Brooms rhyme with shrooms =D I'll eat shrooms if town doesn't win >.> Trfel do you still think FF is scum? Breshke was obviously bussed. My push on Fecalfeast would have given mafia a golden opportunity to switch off of Breshke, but nothing happened. In addition to all of Fecalfeast's play, that absolutely confirms him as mafia. On November 23 2015 07:51 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + To expand:On November 23 2015 07:48 Trfel wrote: Why is everyone townreading Fecalfeast? All I've seen mentioned is tone. If the only towny thing that someone has done by Day 3 is tone, that's pretty miserable. I've presented a complete argument for why Fecalfeast is mafia. Furthermore, he is basically guaranteed mafia because mafia didn't push onto him and away from Breshke after I posed this argument (the more I think about this, it's not 100% that mafia would do this, but it's extremely likely that they would have pushed it more if they could). Fecalfeast has not responded to my arguments at all. No one else has suggested why anything is at all invalid, either. So why are people townreading him? 19. Still rocking the frustrated town vibe, cause that seemed to have worked. [yellow]Sense[/yellow]. + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2015 14:29 Trfel wrote: I honestly don't want to play this game any more. It's miserable. I get ignored, then everyone calls me scum for stupid nonsense while never responding to anything I'm trying to say. Scum is going to win this game because no one is freaking listening. Fecalfeast is mafia and needs to be lynched. Onegu is likely mafia as well. I'll look through ritoky's filter tonight and then disformation's sometime tomorrow. | ||
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On November 24 2015 03:51 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 03:40 disformation wrote: On November 24 2015 03:37 NocturneMage wrote: On November 24 2015 03:32 disformation wrote: I shadowed Onegu. He likes to play scum much more than town. Therefore he tries to switch up his meta every few games so it is hard to read him. He also was town and not very active in the game I shadowed him, but he was way more useful than in this game so far... Don't think I have enough experience with him to correctly meta/read him off of that though... as scum, does he "pretend" to be useful? or is he easily caught with how bad his questions/posting is? has he ever just done nothing as scum? and you mentioned he always tries to switch meta, so who knows.... that question is for anyone here that is familiar with onegu's play, not just you. Unfortunately I only got one game where he was VT. But if he wants to be hard to read of such a meta, he looks probably pretty similar as scum. Note that this is speculation. My question for now is more like, is he: 1) "Oh crap I replaced into a bad situation and I am not fond of town, so let whatever, can't be arsed to do something." 2) "Oh crap, I replaced into a bad situation and I think not giving town any information is the best play here." Super coin-flippy. Wtb Damdred dropping some logic-bombs. Or 3) Onegu is disabled and hasnt felt well and took to much pain medicine yesterday and slept all day and night. Shit. Sry to hear, man. Problem is: your slot has only played for like the first 8 hours of Day 1. So we have like zero clue what alignment you and your slot are. There is also this other guy that is super hard to figure out. Trfel. And I absolutely do not want to end up in a situation where we are at lylo/mylo and still have to deal with both of you. | ||
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On November 24 2015 03:55 Onegu wrote: Answer me this does my flip give you a better way to read people based on how the previous person was playing? Uh... no? ... damn. | ||
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On November 24 2015 04:05 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 03:40 disformation wrote: On November 24 2015 03:37 NocturneMage wrote: On November 24 2015 03:32 disformation wrote: I shadowed Onegu. He likes to play scum much more than town. Therefore he tries to switch up his meta every few games so it is hard to read him. He also was town and not very active in the game I shadowed him, but he was way more useful than in this game so far... Don't think I have enough experience with him to correctly meta/read him off of that though... as scum, does he "pretend" to be useful? or is he easily caught with how bad his questions/posting is? has he ever just done nothing as scum? and you mentioned he always tries to switch meta, so who knows.... that question is for anyone here that is familiar with onegu's play, not just you. Unfortunately I only got one game where he was VT. But if he wants to be hard to read of such a meta, he looks probably pretty similar as scum. Note that this is speculation. My question for now is more like, is he: 1) "Oh crap I replaced into a bad situation and I am not fond of town, so let whatever, can't be arsed to do something." 2) "Oh crap, I replaced into a bad situation and I think not giving town any information is the best play here." Super coin-flippy. Wtb Damdred dropping some logic-bombs. Also personally 1 is much more likely that 2. In point 2 I would be much more likely to try and pull something out of my ass. The fact that you guys only got 10 pages of filter today is really shit. Not sure who you mean specifically with the 10 pages of filter thing. I think me and NM have like the largest filters this game. Also super not sure if I want FF with the guy that is a coinflip. Also the guy I can't read has a case on FF. This could also very well lead to the situation I want to avoid. This hour will be very interesting. | ||
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On November 24 2015 04:13 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 04:11 NocturneMage wrote: On November 24 2015 04:06 Onegu wrote: On November 21 2015 13:50 Fecalfeast wrote: On November 21 2015 13:41 Onegu wrote: Onegu VT claim. Onegu hasnt read anything and wont until tomorrow. ##Vote Damdred + Show Spoiler + Because why not it Damdy Actually this makes me think he hasn't seen a scum QT. Obviously to be taken tongue in cheek but still. tongue in cheek.....might have been dicking around, but the only thing he's consistently pinged you for is activity. Trfel has a case on him, do you think it's coming from town? and his insistence that fecalfeast is mafia? Link http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=67#1324 On November 21 2015 00:15 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Either I missed something, or Fecalfeast is mafia. There is nothing in between.On November 20 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote: Fecalfeast Here the posts that Fecalfeast has made this game that show his read progression. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not really reading too closely. Watching CFL with my dad and bro. Tone/feel reads telling me farah is town, geript is town, disform is mafia ever is towny... Refs in this game are blind On November 16 2015 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh disforms ninja post is fine for now. On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote: VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure. town: ritoky trfel nocturne mafia: moose ve that's all I got On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him On November 17 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 08:07 Breshke wrote: On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him why? He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel On November 17 2015 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote I'm going to completely ignore moose for the rest of this game but I believe that he is really being that much of a female dog about rolling town. On November 17 2015 09:47 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 09:43 Trfel wrote: On November 17 2015 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote: You had two scumreads, VisceraEyes and MoosyDoosy. You're no longer scumreading both of them.On November 17 2015 09:36 Trfel wrote: Also, Fecalfeast, I believe you have zero scum reads right now? Do you plan on doing something about that in the near future? VE went from scum to null but sure. What are you even asking here? "FF you gonna keep playing?" I was just wanting your thoughts on that, that's all. How much past experience do you have with MoosyDoosy? Anyway, off to my exam. I hosted the game where he bused the dick off his whole team as mafia. He legitimately seems like a player who much prefers scum play over town play. That said, I also agree with the idea that giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame. Fuck it ##vote mooseydoosey On November 17 2015 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote: scott's filter is unappetizing and stingily portioned. 0 stars out of 5 On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again On November 17 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote: If I were scum and moose was town, I'd be laughing it up in scum qt right now about how, unless he gets vigged, we have a guaranteed mislynch in lylo. Which means we should probably get rid of him sooner than later. On November 19 2015 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote: 1. Unless someone claims a vig shot on Geript, he was the only one adamant about trfel being scum and was getting upset that nobody listened to him. 2. His day 1 suspicions from his filter: VE, Moose, Scott, Me. I know 3/4 of those are town 100% while moose is showing some towny play since yesterday. 3. Totally willing to vote an uncc'd blue because she's martyring. On November 19 2015 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I can't say I'm tunneled on you trfel but right now that's where my brain is. I've only just been in your filter and i will take a closer look later. I've still got shit to do right now tho On November 20 2015 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote: I will kill bresh or trfel because geript confirmed the mafia kill makes it more likely he was offed for his reads, since mafia knows we have a vet* they wouldn't worry about a medic dodge. *assuming farah's claim was real On November 20 2015 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd be more comfortable lynching breshke over angry!trfel So, there are a few trends shown by the above posts. 1. Whoever posts is town
The disinformation post that caused Fecalfeast to change his read isn't that great. It's the first actual reads post that disinformation has made all game, and it was only made on request. But this caused a dramatic change in Fecalfeast's read? Enough to make him never seriously discuss disformation again? The way he downplayed his scumread on VisceraEyes is terrible. "I side with trfel on VE for sure", leading to a townread on Trfel and a scumread on VisceraEyes. Then, "ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him" and "He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel". First, VisceraEyes' Fecalfeast read wasn't a part of my case on VisceraEyes. The fact that this is what Fecalfeast mentioned, while also saying that his scumread came purely from my case, does not make sense at all. For MoosyDoosy, his reasons are debatable, but the important thing is that he voted for MoosyDoosy again later. More on this later. At the same time as Fecalfeast backed off of me (Trfel), he pushed onto Breshke. And he hadn't mentioned Breshke before. This push came out of nowhere. He said he'd rather lynch Breshke because I was "angry". Every single time, there's a person who makes some posts, and Fecalfeast removes his scumread on that person. This is every single time that Fecalfeast has removed a scumread on someone. This reeks of "don't hurt me, I'm not scumreading you!" 2. "Decision" about Day 1 lynch target Fecalfeast first includes MoosyDoosy as mafia in his list (no reason given), then votes MoosyDoosy for martyring. Then he unvotes MoosyDoosy because he thinks MoosyDoosy is just that obnoxious when he rolls town. At this point, Fecalfeast had zero scum reads. So, he went back and voted for MoosyDoosy again, reasoning being that "giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame". It's noteworthy that at this time, there was a lot of push for lynching MoosyDoosy. This vote on MoosyDoosy is extremely opportunistic and seems to be a patch for Fecalfeast having zero reads. Ritoky, one of the game's highest-influence players, then says that MoosyDoosy is exempt from being lynched. Fecalfeast immediately says he will look into scott31337. And then says he could kill scott31337. He doesn't care one bit about who is lynched, which is shown by his post saying that town ignoring MoosyDoosy causes them to automatically lose LYLO if MoosyDoosy is town, but ultimately vote for scott31337 instead of MoosyDoosy with no new reasons presented. The progression is basically:
3. Other factors I don't really have time to explain this as in detail, but namely his play on Day 3. He said that he didn't like disformation, but he never followed up on this or explained this at all. He said that I (Trfel) was suspicious primarily because of night kill analysis, but never actually addressed any of my posts or arguments like I asked him to, and like he said he would. Then he moved to Breshke, who he only mentioned once before in his filter, with a TOWN LEAN. Okay. Conclusion Fecalfeast is always taking the easy route, always making the easy reads. He's always keeping one scum read and when that stops being easy, he's just moving to the new easy scum read. His apathy towards the Day 1 lynch between two townies and forced read switches are extremely suspicious. I don't understand how everyone can ignore me, no matter how much work I put in. | ||
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On November 24 2015 04:18 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote: Fecalfeast Here the posts that Fecalfeast has made this game that show his read progression. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not really reading too closely. Watching CFL with my dad and bro. Tone/feel reads telling me farah is town, geript is town, disform is mafia ever is towny... Refs in this game are blind On November 16 2015 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh disforms ninja post is fine for now. On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote: VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure. town: ritoky trfel nocturne mafia: moose ve that's all I got On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him On November 17 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 08:07 Breshke wrote: On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him why? He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel On November 17 2015 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote I'm going to completely ignore moose for the rest of this game but I believe that he is really being that much of a female dog about rolling town. On November 17 2015 09:47 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 09:43 Trfel wrote: On November 17 2015 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote: You had two scumreads, VisceraEyes and MoosyDoosy. You're no longer scumreading both of them.On November 17 2015 09:36 Trfel wrote: Also, Fecalfeast, I believe you have zero scum reads right now? Do you plan on doing something about that in the near future? VE went from scum to null but sure. What are you even asking here? "FF you gonna keep playing?" I was just wanting your thoughts on that, that's all. How much past experience do you have with MoosyDoosy? Anyway, off to my exam. I hosted the game where he bused the dick off his whole team as mafia. He legitimately seems like a player who much prefers scum play over town play. That said, I also agree with the idea that giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame. Fuck it ##vote mooseydoosey On November 17 2015 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote: scott's filter is unappetizing and stingily portioned. 0 stars out of 5 On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again On November 17 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote: If I were scum and moose was town, I'd be laughing it up in scum qt right now about how, unless he gets vigged, we have a guaranteed mislynch in lylo. Which means we should probably get rid of him sooner than later. On November 19 2015 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote: 1. Unless someone claims a vig shot on Geript, he was the only one adamant about trfel being scum and was getting upset that nobody listened to him. 2. His day 1 suspicions from his filter: VE, Moose, Scott, Me. I know 3/4 of those are town 100% while moose is showing some towny play since yesterday. 3. Totally willing to vote an uncc'd blue because she's martyring. On November 19 2015 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I can't say I'm tunneled on you trfel but right now that's where my brain is. I've only just been in your filter and i will take a closer look later. I've still got shit to do right now tho On November 20 2015 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote: I will kill bresh or trfel because geript confirmed the mafia kill makes it more likely he was offed for his reads, since mafia knows we have a vet* they wouldn't worry about a medic dodge. *assuming farah's claim was real On November 20 2015 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd be more comfortable lynching breshke over angry!trfel So, there are a few trends shown by the above posts. 1. Whoever posts is town
The disinformation post that caused Fecalfeast to change his read isn't that great. It's the first actual reads post that disinformation has made all game, and it was only made on request. But this caused a dramatic change in Fecalfeast's read? Enough to make him never seriously discuss disformation again? The way he downplayed his scumread on VisceraEyes is terrible. "I side with trfel on VE for sure", leading to a townread on Trfel and a scumread on VisceraEyes. Then, "ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him" and "He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel". First, VisceraEyes' Fecalfeast read wasn't a part of my case on VisceraEyes. The fact that this is what Fecalfeast mentioned, while also saying that his scumread came purely from my case, does not make sense at all. For MoosyDoosy, his reasons are debatable, but the important thing is that he voted for MoosyDoosy again later. More on this later. At the same time as Fecalfeast backed off of me (Trfel), he pushed onto Breshke. And he hadn't mentioned Breshke before. This push came out of nowhere. He said he'd rather lynch Breshke because I was "angry". Every single time, there's a person who makes some posts, and Fecalfeast removes his scumread on that person. This is every single time that Fecalfeast has removed a scumread on someone. This reeks of "don't hurt me, I'm not scumreading you!" 2. "Decision" about Day 1 lynch target Fecalfeast first includes MoosyDoosy as mafia in his list (no reason given), then votes MoosyDoosy for martyring. Then he unvotes MoosyDoosy because he thinks MoosyDoosy is just that obnoxious when he rolls town. At this point, Fecalfeast had zero scum reads. So, he went back and voted for MoosyDoosy again, reasoning being that "giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame". It's noteworthy that at this time, there was a lot of push for lynching MoosyDoosy. This vote on MoosyDoosy is extremely opportunistic and seems to be a patch for Fecalfeast having zero reads. Ritoky, one of the game's highest-influence players, then says that MoosyDoosy is exempt from being lynched. Fecalfeast immediately says he will look into scott31337. And then says he could kill scott31337. He doesn't care one bit about who is lynched, which is shown by his post saying that town ignoring MoosyDoosy causes them to automatically lose LYLO if MoosyDoosy is town, but ultimately vote for scott31337 instead of MoosyDoosy with no new reasons presented. The progression is basically:
3. Other factors I don't really have time to explain this as in detail, but namely his play on Day 3. He said that he didn't like disformation, but he never followed up on this or explained this at all. He said that I (Trfel) was suspicious primarily because of night kill analysis, but never actually addressed any of my posts or arguments like I asked him to, and like he said he would. Then he moved to Breshke, who he only mentioned once before in his filter, with a TOWN LEAN. Okay. Conclusion Fecalfeast is always taking the easy route, always making the easy reads. He's always keeping one scum read and when that stops being easy, he's just moving to the new easy scum read. His apathy towards the Day 1 lynch between two townies and forced read switches are extremely suspicious. Meh, waffling on the day one lynch when 2 town and he is scum, what motivation does he have to do that. I would actually give him town points on that. But the only taking easy reads point does have merit, I caught koshi before as scum because he was doing that. Dont really get the other factor thing. Yeah. I have a similar problem. It is a bit supsicious, but I just can see how that makes FF 100% slamdunk mafia... | ||
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On November 24 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Do you honestly think that Fecalfeast is trying to solve the game?On November 24 2015 04:20 disformation wrote: On November 24 2015 04:18 Onegu wrote: On November 20 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote: Fecalfeast Here the posts that Fecalfeast has made this game that show his read progression. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not really reading too closely. Watching CFL with my dad and bro. Tone/feel reads telling me farah is town, geript is town, disform is mafia ever is towny... Refs in this game are blind On November 16 2015 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh disforms ninja post is fine for now. On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote: VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure. town: ritoky trfel nocturne mafia: moose ve that's all I got On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him On November 17 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 08:07 Breshke wrote: On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him why? He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel On November 17 2015 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote I'm going to completely ignore moose for the rest of this game but I believe that he is really being that much of a female dog about rolling town. On November 17 2015 09:47 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 09:43 Trfel wrote: On November 17 2015 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote: You had two scumreads, VisceraEyes and MoosyDoosy. You're no longer scumreading both of them.On November 17 2015 09:36 Trfel wrote: Also, Fecalfeast, I believe you have zero scum reads right now? Do you plan on doing something about that in the near future? VE went from scum to null but sure. What are you even asking here? "FF you gonna keep playing?" I was just wanting your thoughts on that, that's all. How much past experience do you have with MoosyDoosy? Anyway, off to my exam. I hosted the game where he bused the dick off his whole team as mafia. He legitimately seems like a player who much prefers scum play over town play. That said, I also agree with the idea that giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame. Fuck it ##vote mooseydoosey On November 17 2015 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote: scott's filter is unappetizing and stingily portioned. 0 stars out of 5 On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again On November 17 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote: If I were scum and moose was town, I'd be laughing it up in scum qt right now about how, unless he gets vigged, we have a guaranteed mislynch in lylo. Which means we should probably get rid of him sooner than later. On November 19 2015 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote: 1. Unless someone claims a vig shot on Geript, he was the only one adamant about trfel being scum and was getting upset that nobody listened to him. 2. His day 1 suspicions from his filter: VE, Moose, Scott, Me. I know 3/4 of those are town 100% while moose is showing some towny play since yesterday. 3. Totally willing to vote an uncc'd blue because she's martyring. On November 19 2015 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I can't say I'm tunneled on you trfel but right now that's where my brain is. I've only just been in your filter and i will take a closer look later. I've still got shit to do right now tho On November 20 2015 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote: I will kill bresh or trfel because geript confirmed the mafia kill makes it more likely he was offed for his reads, since mafia knows we have a vet* they wouldn't worry about a medic dodge. *assuming farah's claim was real On November 20 2015 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd be more comfortable lynching breshke over angry!trfel So, there are a few trends shown by the above posts. 1. Whoever posts is town
The disinformation post that caused Fecalfeast to change his read isn't that great. It's the first actual reads post that disinformation has made all game, and it was only made on request. But this caused a dramatic change in Fecalfeast's read? Enough to make him never seriously discuss disformation again? The way he downplayed his scumread on VisceraEyes is terrible. "I side with trfel on VE for sure", leading to a townread on Trfel and a scumread on VisceraEyes. Then, "ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him" and "He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel". First, VisceraEyes' Fecalfeast read wasn't a part of my case on VisceraEyes. The fact that this is what Fecalfeast mentioned, while also saying that his scumread came purely from my case, does not make sense at all. For MoosyDoosy, his reasons are debatable, but the important thing is that he voted for MoosyDoosy again later. More on this later. At the same time as Fecalfeast backed off of me (Trfel), he pushed onto Breshke. And he hadn't mentioned Breshke before. This push came out of nowhere. He said he'd rather lynch Breshke because I was "angry". Every single time, there's a person who makes some posts, and Fecalfeast removes his scumread on that person. This is every single time that Fecalfeast has removed a scumread on someone. This reeks of "don't hurt me, I'm not scumreading you!" 2. "Decision" about Day 1 lynch target Fecalfeast first includes MoosyDoosy as mafia in his list (no reason given), then votes MoosyDoosy for martyring. Then he unvotes MoosyDoosy because he thinks MoosyDoosy is just that obnoxious when he rolls town. At this point, Fecalfeast had zero scum reads. So, he went back and voted for MoosyDoosy again, reasoning being that "giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame". It's noteworthy that at this time, there was a lot of push for lynching MoosyDoosy. This vote on MoosyDoosy is extremely opportunistic and seems to be a patch for Fecalfeast having zero reads. Ritoky, one of the game's highest-influence players, then says that MoosyDoosy is exempt from being lynched. Fecalfeast immediately says he will look into scott31337. And then says he could kill scott31337. He doesn't care one bit about who is lynched, which is shown by his post saying that town ignoring MoosyDoosy causes them to automatically lose LYLO if MoosyDoosy is town, but ultimately vote for scott31337 instead of MoosyDoosy with no new reasons presented. The progression is basically:
3. Other factors I don't really have time to explain this as in detail, but namely his play on Day 3. He said that he didn't like disformation, but he never followed up on this or explained this at all. He said that I (Trfel) was suspicious primarily because of night kill analysis, but never actually addressed any of my posts or arguments like I asked him to, and like he said he would. Then he moved to Breshke, who he only mentioned once before in his filter, with a TOWN LEAN. Okay. Conclusion Fecalfeast is always taking the easy route, always making the easy reads. He's always keeping one scum read and when that stops being easy, he's just moving to the new easy scum read. His apathy towards the Day 1 lynch between two townies and forced read switches are extremely suspicious. Meh, waffling on the day one lynch when 2 town and he is scum, what motivation does he have to do that. I would actually give him town points on that. But the only taking easy reads point does have merit, I caught koshi before as scum because he was doing that. Dont really get the other factor thing. Yeah. I have a similar problem. It is a bit supsicious, but I just can see how that makes FF 100% slamdunk mafia... D1 and D2, no. D3 yes. | ||
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On November 24 2015 04:26 Onegu wrote: Well I am going to make lunch be back in like 10 min. I made homemade Barbacoa that has been in the crock pot since 8pm last night. Shit is going to be so fucking good. I am F5ing this shit like and mad, trying to think of a solution I am comfortable with and you, on the verge of being lynched, are like "whatever, lets grab some epic food, cya losers." -.- | ||
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On November 24 2015 04:40 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 04:35 disformation wrote: Oh wait, didn't ticktoc say the deadline might be a bit later today? This might save our asses. that's a big fat no. I cohosted the last game with BH. even if hosts have to delay their end of cycle post, no votes will count after the deadline. so if deadline is at 2100 your time, shining votes at 2115, and mods don't post their shit until 2130, shining is still late. crap... | ||
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I could easily see one of Trfel/Onegu going for FF cause he is like the weakest link. I totally do not dig Trfel appearing and GTFO'ing. I can see myself voting ritoky. But that might give us a mylo situation with Onegu and Trfel. On the other hand... if ritoky is town, we can prolly just lynch Trfel and Onegu and win... I don't trust FF 100%, but I think he has a lower chance of flipping scum thatn Trfel/Onegu/ritoky... where the hell are Damdred and The Shining at... | ||
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I really hope The Shining doesn't get modkilled... | ||
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On November 24 2015 04:55 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 04:53 disformation wrote: Yeah, at this point I would kinda prefer Trefel or maybe ritoky, since Onegu is right, if he flips town we get 0 additional info. I really hope The Shining doesn't get modkilled... Doubt trfel is scum here for trying to move votes off of me. He was the first to unvote remember. And he did so early enough that there could be a vote switch. vote. now. | ||
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On November 24 2015 05:01 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 04:59 disformation wrote: 1min b4 deadline here. Super glad I bought some beer earlier. I need one right now. Fuck it, I'm just going to policy lynch HTS next chance I get for corrupting this community. cheers m8. =D | ||
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On November 24 2015 05:02 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh I'm too late opinions on the random ass yolo ritoky lynch? | ||
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On November 24 2015 05:05 Fecalfeast wrote: I feel like i should have stayed on trfel Would have preferred Trfel, too. | ||
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On November 24 2015 05:50 Trfel wrote: Honestly, the Damdred replacement was pretty awful for us. I'd stuck my neck out way too far pushing FarahBlackwing, Damdred's replacement didn't only kill any push against that slot, but he also knew conclusively that I wouldn't do that as town. We were actually planning to counterclaim FarahBlackwing on Day 3.... Yeah, can totally see that. Mentioned before that farah and moosy of all ppl being blue was bad for you guys. Getting Damdred in the vet slot and losing the roleblocker was super incredible bad for you guys. ^^ | ||
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On November 24 2015 05:52 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh right. Farah: I apologize if I had any part in your decision to sub out. Whether this game or the previous game. I hope you can find motivation to play here again but, if not, I had fun playing with you regardless. Eversince: GET WELL SOON WE NEED UPDATES ARE YOU OK? This! also @Farah: Sorry my case on you N1 was shit, I realized like later on. xD | ||
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On November 24 2015 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also, it was fun to coach Disinformation. Very active and enthusiastic. I hope you keep playing because you're an enrichment to the site Thanks! Had to get used to your coaching style, but you a bunch of great suggestions, when I was losing my head. <3 | ||
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On November 24 2015 05:59 Onegu wrote: Man am I good at this game replace in. don't read the game. lynch mafia regardless. win the game. | ||
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On November 24 2015 06:06 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also, it was fun to coach Disinformation. Very active and enthusiastic. I hope you keep playing because you're an enrichment to the site I enjoyed playing with you as well disformation. Game is much more fun when we're both town. Drink up mate. Yeah, I had the feeling you enjoy playing town much more than mafia. Also glad you were on board for this. | ||
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On November 24 2015 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Has ritoky been here since he got shenani'd? Don't think so, but he said he had tons of family over for thanksgiving and stuff. | ||
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On November 24 2015 06:17 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 06:06 Trfel wrote: On November 24 2015 06:04 NocturneMage wrote: It requires a ton of context. Just looking at the vote count isn't good enough, you have to consider the vote count and the thread sentiment at the time when the votes in question were made.One thing I'd like to ask from more experienced players is vote analysis. That shit still confuses me mostly and any post on it I feel like I have to play 20+ games to really understand how to analyse town and mafia actions from votes. Like I only knew that late votes = bussing was from experience in newbie 13. My only prior mafia experience was real life and everyone just throws their hands up all at once. But trying to lay out the votes this game I will say is much much easier with the tracker but even then it's hard to tell timing motivations, even with Shining's statements on number of switches, I would have never picked up on ritoky's switching as a bad thing. are there any guides or anything to try and pick up voting analysis? it seems so effective but so difficult to understand. fuck. Once you do that, it's actually really simple. You just look at the motivation and the implications of each vote, how the wagons are changing, and what the result of that is. Or you can ask ritoky, he has some really special voting analysis tricks, but I doubt he's willing to share XD nah, I get it. I'd like one more game where I can get coaching on voting analysis specifically even if I am an open player. either that or a guide or something but at least this gives me a rough start. I think for the most part I looked town enough to not get lynched, it seems like people would have just fear/tinfoil lynched me in mylo, and I felt I have made good points and read carefully all game. so that was somewhat concerning. at least if nothing else reading mafia qt, you people were threatened by me to the point you almost shot me night 1 over moosy. so I think I did something right. and for the people tinfoiling me as scum (lol Fecalfeast) I don't know what to say. my first game I read HTS's scum games when I was drawn as scum, but that didn't help me any, I think I just need more experience, but then again she has a different approach to playing scum than I do. Nah, I think you and The Shining were more town than me. So I would have been the last misslynch after FF. But I am not sure on what mafia had in mind. | ||
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But yeah it seems like activity dropped down a bunch in the time I wasn't here. | ||
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On November 24 2015 07:23 scott31337 wrote: GG good job sry 4 lynching you. maybe someday I can read you. | ||
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On November 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 07:23 disformation wrote: Was there an obs qt? can i haz link? it was posted at the very bottom of the concession post. Thanks. Was looking in the OP. xD On November 24 2015 07:28 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + TalkingDead 11-21-2015 04:42 AM ET (US) I give you Breshke on a silver platter. I give you Trfel on a silver platter. Just fucking eat you retards. Oh geript 11/10 points, would sheep dead geript again. | ||
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Also read through the mafia QT: "disform is so deep in my pocket i can never lynch this guy lol." lmao =D | ||
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On November 24 2015 08:22 ritoky wrote: imo from a mafia strategy perspective on a setup that is m13 vigi + doc/vet vs rb; the ideal line of play is to set up your mafia as follows: busser - the primary workhorse of your team, needs to be TR early, plans to bus teammate on day 2, will do day 1 if necessary bussee - person who is least favorably viewed, entire job is to survive to day 2 and get steamrolled by teammate; should try not to get vigi shot and not be an essential role. survivor - the failsafe, your job is to play the middle, side with the bus on your teammate, and basically be the support and backup win-con if busser gets caught; also may be forced into becoming bussee. kind of your flex player. for example one of the more clean wins using this method was me, damdred, and GB; GB was the bussee, damdred was the busser, and i was the survivor/flex. of course every game is different and adaptations are needed, you also have to pick your roles based on how the first 24 hours of the game goes and what perceptions are made unless you wanna force it. but generally speaking in m13 if everyone understands and commits to this method and playing as a team you're gonna get to mylo probably 8 or 9 out of 10 times and then you just need to outplay or have enough cred to win from there. Hm. Good to know. Will save that somewhere and try to remember it, should I ever manage to roll town. TBH I so far I have put like 0 thought into long term planing and stuff, so that could screw me over, if I ever mange to roll scum. | ||
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On November 24 2015 15:48 geript wrote: Fourth, stop looking at "moments in time" in a player. It doesn't matter who it is, there will always be points to find someone either scummy or towny. In a game of mafia, you can always make a reasonable case for whatever you look for. Look at the sum of a player's game. When you look at Trfel, he's pretty much spent the whole game trying to drag you into talking about useless shit and stagnate discussion in various ways. Ritoky was kinda the same way too. Breshke absolutely was. In general, town overall try to move the game forward somehow. Play the odds and focus on the forest instead of on the trees. There are "little moments" that are major (like ritoky not sheeping), but those should be built into a case on what the player is doing as a whole. Yeah, this is probably why I got this "can't see the forest for the trees" feeling when looking at Trfel. | ||
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On November 25 2015 01:21 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 15:48 geript wrote: Fourth, stop looking at "moments in time" in a player. It doesn't matter who it is, there will always be points to find someone either scummy or towny. In a game of mafia, you can always make a reasonable case for whatever you look for. Look at the sum of a player's game. When you look at Trfel, he's pretty much spent the whole game trying to drag you into talking about useless shit and stagnate discussion in various ways. Ritoky was kinda the same way too. Breshke absolutely was. In general, town overall try to move the game forward somehow. Play the odds and focus on the forest instead of on the trees. There are "little moments" that are major (like ritoky not sheeping), but those should be built into a case on what the player is doing as a whole. Yeah, this is probably why I got this "can't see the forest for the trees" feeling when looking at Trfel. Eh. Should have phrased that a bit different. Will probably post some more thoughts later on. | ||
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On November 25 2015 01:39 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2015 01:21 disformation wrote: On November 24 2015 15:48 geript wrote: Fourth, stop looking at "moments in time" in a player. It doesn't matter who it is, there will always be points to find someone either scummy or towny. In a game of mafia, you can always make a reasonable case for whatever you look for. Look at the sum of a player's game. When you look at Trfel, he's pretty much spent the whole game trying to drag you into talking about useless shit and stagnate discussion in various ways. Ritoky was kinda the same way too. Breshke absolutely was. In general, town overall try to move the game forward somehow. Play the odds and focus on the forest instead of on the trees. There are "little moments" that are major (like ritoky not sheeping), but those should be built into a case on what the player is doing as a whole. Yeah, this is probably why I got this "can't see the forest for the trees" feeling when looking at Trfel. Eh. Should have phrased that a bit different. Will probably post some more thoughts later on. Okay. So. I think this "can't see the forest for the trees" is like _the_ big thing for me to work on. Like geript said, there are always trees that look scummy or towny and by focusing too much on the single trees I am bound to get mixed signals all the time. So this is probably what causes me to be waffly all the time. That is probably also the reason why my "cases" also end up as this huge wall of stuff, but most of the time lack a clear conclusion or direction. That being said, this will be probably a bit hard for me to change, since I feel this detail oriented approach is pretty engrained into my person. But at least I am aware of that now. So I actually learned a lot this game. Also should stop to refer to myself as "Waffleboy" during the game. That being sad I don't think my waffling is 100% negative, since it also allows me to randomly escape ritoky's pocket halfway thorugh the game. Should probably tone it done a bunch, though. | ||
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On December 04 2015 06:17 Eversince wrote: I'm so sorry everyone! I forgot the timing of events, and my flat-mate needed her laptop back. So I had nothing to use while I was in-patient. 2'nd operation went better than expected. Sadly, the third became really infected. I had got left with option of really bad nerve damage, or removal. I ended up having them take everything from the lower tibia/fibula off. I got stuck with in-patient for a few extra days, but I won't be sufferin' the effects for the rest of my life either. I'll be down and out for a bit', I suppose. But I'll be back around, when I'm feelin' up to it. I managed to skim most of this thread though after the fact. I felt the need to chime in somethin', so people wouldn't worry. Wow. Nearly missed this. Came back to this to look up on geript's post game advise. Really, glad to hear back from you and I am sure the others will agree to that! Sucks to hear that the third op had some complications. I hope/wish you a speedy recovery, but don't overdo it and rest up properly! | ||
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