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On November 12 2015 20:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Show nested quote + On November 12 2015 15:03 VisceraEyes wrote: On November 11 2015 20:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On November 11 2015 20:18 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm ready for someone to show me how to play marfia. I can coach you if you want bb. I defs need help with my gif theory... I can do more than that babe. | ||
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geript might be town for saying what i thought about VE around when i thought it. but i also think it is easy to say if you've played enough with VE so he doesn't get as much cred as he should. bunch of people who i have little to 0 experience debating meta i don't know/care about is a snooze fest for me trfel might be scum cuz bad VE read, but then he went kind hard on it for pretty shit reasons...so might be donkey???? and then also hesitate on truffle cuz this: On November 16 2015 06:22 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote: Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him. I like this. Trfels entrance was a one liner asking you to explain your read. And the posts are worryingly short. Is this the same Trfel that likes to post crazy WoT to start games and do stuff to get conversation and reads going? Because that is the town Trfel I know and this isn't him. instant scum read of trfel by shining for blah reasons -> trfel posts exactly the opposite of what he describeds 2 posts later -> no re-eval on trfel | ||
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On November 16 2015 06:14 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 06:11 FarahBlackwing wrote: That's what your going to get geript that's my read and idc if it is not adequate for you. No. I'm going to get more because your answer didn't say anything. Explain why those things make him town to you. Especially off of 1 (maybe 2) games experience. On November 16 2015 06:21 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote: On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote Ok I have my read now. Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi. So what's your read and how did you reach it? Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in. Pretty sure he's town at least for now. Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining. From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him Not a huge fan of this heuristic but I can understand where it comes from. I think it's really poor to apply here. yo geript, wtf happened here? gimme more you fucker -> super agreeable but you're wrong. like wha? | ||
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On November 16 2015 07:35 Eversince wrote: Ooops! So I did! Mind expanding on your Shining and Trfel reads though? Shining I can understand but you leave out the conversation between him, others, and myself. And Trfel I just can't follow at all atm moment in all honesty. I can't even remember him postin' yet. So a catch up on important things wold be fantastic. what is there to expand on? trfel is pushing something stupid. (btw he made a half case on VE so uhhhh think you missed that too) he could be mafia cuz it is stupid. he could be a donkey because he is pushing it rather than just stating it. time will tell i suppose. shining insta-reads trfel for the worst reason in the entire thread: "he posted a 1 liner" which trfel then posts a half case on VE, which is crap. shining then posts about other stuff and never revisits his trfel read which has just been rendered worthless. that's a guy posting reads to post reads not because he believes or has any conviction in them. | ||
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On November 16 2015 06:17 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote: On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote Ok I have my read now. Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi. So what's your read and how did you reach it? Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in. Pretty sure he's town at least for now. Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining. From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him Alright, thanks. Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself. quoting for empty promise potential. | ||
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On November 16 2015 08:01 FarahBlackwing wrote: Ritoky I'll skip to the Chase, why are you giving geript credit for a read that's null for him? Wouldn't he make that exact same read as scum to get ve on his side either way cuz i think he's right and that's half the battle | ||
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On November 16 2015 08:04 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 07:51 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 06:17 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote: On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote Ok I have my read now. Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi. So what's your read and how did you reach it? Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in. Pretty sure he's town at least for now. Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining. From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him Alright, thanks. Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself. quoting for empty promise potential. Should have said "maybe, if two suns rise tomorrow morning will I look at some past games." Nah, for realz, he only has two maffay games in the database, so I will be looking at those next. Despite me saying that I don't recall playing with The Shining we were both town in NSM IX. So I am currently reading both our filters from that game trying to recall stuff. that's cool, i expect content later though. however before you finish that i am more interested on your thoughts on the actual game, not how it relates to previous games. who do you think is town? who is mafia? who is bad? who's ego is too big? y'kno....the usual | ||
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On November 16 2015 08:09 FarahBlackwing wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 08:03 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 08:01 FarahBlackwing wrote: Ritoky I'll skip to the Chase, why are you giving geript credit for a read that's null for him? Wouldn't he make that exact same read as scum to get ve on his side either way cuz i think he's right and that's half the battle But why does being right guarantee town and the inverse if I disagreed witha thought that would make me mafia yes? right has a higher rate of making someone town than wrong has of making them mafia. but i digress from mafia philosophy. i don't see a point to your line of questioning. he made a read at the same time i made a read, mind meld -> town points. but it was an easy read, so less town points. pretty basic. "but ritoky he makes that read regardless of alignment!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!" cool beans, doesn't change my read. | ||
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On November 16 2015 08:20 FarahBlackwing wrote: And I don't get most of your reads, so I suppose we are at a stale mate where even you question your town read but are to stubborn to say your right to me. Cool beans i said he gets less town points than he deserves from the very start? like wha wha wha? so am i mafia or town or? you didn't arrive at a conclusion from your questioning/pushing. | ||
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On November 16 2015 08:24 FarahBlackwing wrote: Doesn't matter if I've come to any conclusion on you, I don't have Damdreds amazing ability to read you, neither do I understand it so I'll take my time. i think you're obsessing over pointless nuance a bit too much and hope you arrive at a big picture place later; cuz your stubbornness turns me on in a town way. everyone knows i love to be told to go fuck myself. | ||
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On November 16 2015 08:24 Trfel wrote: Okay, fine, I'll bite. WHY do you two think that my read on VisceraEyes is bad? The following is a meta translation of VE to common english: On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote: Farrah your logic is flawed. I rolled scum a few games ago which means I'm due for another 10 town games, which this is. Your instant vote is pretty uncalled for so early, with so many people missing but I'll chalk it up to interesting entrance. How far you plan on pushing this obvious policy lynch? Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard? No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia. Hello game + Show Spoiler + snap reaction beginning of game read. not contrived as fuk On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me. I am VE, guess what? + Show Spoiler + early capitalization, also something subtle enough that mafia probably wouldn't comment on so early when trying to fit in On November 16 2015 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:38 The Shining wrote: On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote: On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: Farahblackwing Soooo mafia. Lynch today! I actually like this a lot. ##Vote: Farahblackwing What about it do you like? I see a short meta read based off of one newbie game, from a newbie. I wouldn't be nearly this confident in meta reading someone after just one game. And how do you know its even accurate? Did you check the last game or are you just blindly trusting to get on a wagon here? I don't care if it's accurate - if they're mafia and lying someone will come in and say "Hey that's a lie" and I'll reevaluate then. At this point I'm taking the short meta read at face value, assuming it's true and taking the attempt as a townie attempt to find mafia - one that has possibly borne fruit. So no, I'm not just "blindly" jumping on a wagon. I like this particular wagon for the reasons given and I like the person who started it, as indicated in my post. I am town this game. + Show Spoiler + you're wrong post, mmmmm yummy town flakes On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote: If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town. Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 Guess what mafia peoples? + Show Spoiler + classic VE stubbornness, "you can hate my reason but i am right, get fukt" On November 16 2015 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote: You're getting awfully anxious about me trusting someone so early Shining, I have to say it looks really scummy to me. Why are you so against me having a townread on someone and a scumread on someone else? Enjoy shooting me this game cuz I am not getting lynched. + Show Spoiler + constant pressure, commenting on daddy issu...i mean trust issues from before which i liked i hope at some point someone messes up with this post so i can laugh at them. | ||
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On November 16 2015 08:49 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I like that ve read and ritoky reasoning... Can I pretend not to like ritoky? it's easy to not like me when my face is this unattractive. | ||
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On November 16 2015 09:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##Vote: FarahBlackwing cuz? | ||
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On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 08:04 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 07:51 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 06:17 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote: On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote Ok I have my read now. Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi. So what's your read and how did you reach it? Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in. Pretty sure he's town at least for now. Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining. From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him Alright, thanks. Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself. quoting for empty promise potential. Should have said "maybe, if two suns rise tomorrow morning will I look at some past games." Nah, for realz, he only has two maffay games in the database, so I will be looking at those next. Despite me saying that I don't recall playing with The Shining we were both town in NSM IX. So I am currently reading both our filters from that game trying to recall stuff. that's cool, i expect content later though. however before you finish that i am more interested on your thoughts on the actual game, not how it relates to previous games. who do you think is town? who is mafia? who is bad? who's ego is too big? y'kno....the usual Fair enough. Since I haven't played with the shining much, I am not that confident I will find amazing things in those old games. But I did try and pressure him in NSM9 a few times because I felt like he wasn't doing much. He was town in this game. So I am already not too sure about the meta read. His filter length in "Battle of the Drams", where he was mafia, is pretty similar to the one in NSM9, too... Well, back to this game: As stated before I have a town lean on geript for driving the game and prodding ppl into explaining stuff. Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated. FF: null. Only reaction so far is to me having his name in a post. Lurking? ritoky: Getting an investigating/engaging/driving the thread feel, so town lean. The early discussion stuff with Eversince, Farah, The Shining and VE was a bit strange to me, since I read the early posts by Eversince and Farah as jokes to get stuff going (well: mission accomplished). Not sure about VE, but both ppl I have as a town lean, say he is town based on meta, so I'll probably be a lazy cunt and sheep them (for now). yo geript, what do you think of the bolded? like...why was it included? | ||
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On November 16 2015 14:39 Fecalfeast wrote: i'm here but i'm still palying GTA so don't ecpect me to read | ||
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On November 16 2015 14:53 Breshke wrote: Ritoky i have work in an hour just thought you would want to know xoxo thanks babe, i just took a shower, thought you would want to know | ||
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On November 16 2015 14:52 Breshke wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 14:32 ritoky wrote: idk about that shining post you quoted there breshke. you're like "second paragraph is whatever"; the second paragraph is an excuse wrapped in self-aware meta. no bueno. plus i don't think he is nitpicky....i think he doesn't care about his reads, he is just giving them out of his ass. Ehh. I disagree . Like the second paragraph didn't need to be there geript specifically was saying he wasn't pinging him out because of how much he was posting like he specifically said he wasn't. So it isn't self aware meta nor was it an excuse because geript wasn't saying he was scum because he was posting a lot. That's why i still liked that post because i just ignored the second paragraph. You could stretch it and say he was being overly defensive there but i think that would be dumb. What other than the trefel read don't you like from him? I know im getting into this defending someone when i shouldnt be territory but meh why stop now. no the 2nd paragraph is a straight up excuse. "hai gais, not playing for next 2 days". there's no teeth to his only other read that is basically all else he has talked about. his point is this: eversince you say farrah is playing 180 of previous game. in previous game farrah was town. why are you TRing someone who is playing opposite of what your meta should tell you? which is an okay enough point for this stage of day 1, but there's no real bite to it. he doesn't even go to the point of calling ever mafia or giving a firm read on it. he says he is "calling suspicious things suspicious" or "gathering information by questioning both people". like what the hell even is that? i feel like if he really believed in that read as much as he has talked about it then there should be some declarative statement about it. i don't remember finding one when i looked. tl;dr talks about 1 thing mostly. all bluster no muster | ||
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On November 16 2015 15:34 geript wrote: It's meta mostly but I'm really sure of it. tonal meta or content meta? | ||
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On November 16 2015 15:43 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 15:42 ritoky wrote: also geript did you get upgraded to full time for that nursing job you got? Well I'm working 50-60 hours per week so you do the math. i work 4 12s graveyards in the ER. i know them feelz | ||
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On November 16 2015 15:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 15:42 ritoky wrote: why does you playing on other sites render meta worthless exactly? I can give you links to games for reference if you desire, but my play has changed a ton than what it usually was. okay, with your new improved play; could you tell me who is mafia or town? | ||
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On November 16 2015 15:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 15:50 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 15:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 16 2015 15:42 ritoky wrote: why does you playing on other sites render meta worthless exactly? I can give you links to games for reference if you desire, but my play has changed a ton than what it usually was. okay, with your new improved play; could you tell me who is mafia or town? It's not necessarily improved but: Farah disformation Shining geript is this the town list or mafia list? i can't tell | ||
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On November 16 2015 16:31 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 16:21 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 15:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 16 2015 15:50 ritoky wrote: On November 16 2015 15:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 16 2015 15:42 ritoky wrote: why does you playing on other sites render meta worthless exactly? I can give you links to games for reference if you desire, but my play has changed a ton than what it usually was. okay, with your new improved play; could you tell me who is mafia or town? It's not necessarily improved but: Farah disformation Shining geript is this the town list or mafia list? i can't tell mafia why farah? | ||
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On November 17 2015 08:43 NocturneMage wrote: Bloody hell will you people please stop using meta? Especially the people or on the people who haven't played more than a couple of games. And I realise Damdred is her husband but how on earth is that Mafia indicative for her? The second point of yours is something I questioned but the rest of your points are making my head spin. Wait what? I wonder if my soul read can be a family thing. Dat shit would be OP, have to try it. | ||
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On November 17 2015 08:49 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + You need to make your family play mafia now On November 17 2015 08:48 ritoky wrote: On November 17 2015 08:43 NocturneMage wrote: Bloody hell will you people please stop using meta? Especially the people or on the people who haven't played more than a couple of games. And I realise Damdred is her husband but how on earth is that Mafia indicative for her? The second point of yours is something I questioned but the rest of your points are making my head spin. Wait what? I wonder if my soul read can be a family thing. Dat shit would be OP, have to try it. What if my wife has a soul read on Damdred's wife, wouldn't that be scary shit? | ||
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Here's his entrance, it feels natural and relaxed: On November 16 2015 05:05 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time Can you throw me the statistics you are refering to? On November 16 2015 05:07 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:05 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time Can you throw me the statistics you are refering to? Actually: counterproposal: In both games I played with scott, he was lynched D1 and town won. That is like a 100% to win if we lynch scott today! ##vote scott31337 On November 16 2015 05:09 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 05:07 FarahBlackwing wrote: Shining has rolled town 85% of the time maybe 90%. His streak must be over at some point I have rolled town 100% of the time. Maybe you should lynch me. :D Particularly the suggestion that we should lynch him feels town. It takes a certain level of testicular fortitude to suggest lynching yourself as mafia that early in the game and no offense to disform, but from my experience he isn't that ballsy and forthright. But then it starts to feel awkward.... he gets into the "am i the only one who was joking" and self deprecation area which is very different from his natural upbeat attitude from before. The he says this: On November 16 2015 06:17 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote: On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote: On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote Ok I have my read now. Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi. So what's your read and how did you reach it? Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in. Pretty sure he's town at least for now. Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining. From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him Alright, thanks. Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself. which i quoted for empty promise potential. this is a very practiced and common mafia tactic where they say "reading filters" or "catching up" then they deliver low volume small content posts or say they didn't find anything to feign doing more work to solve the game than they are actually doing. so i was expecting some in depth analysis of shining at some point. spoiler alert, i was disappointed that it never came to be. which tends toward mafia for me then he posts his reads and there's that FF read that sticks out to me. i don't see why it was mentioned and it felt forced into it. he includes so few reads in the post, so why does FF being null get included? I don't understand what the point of it was. it isn't a strong read, it doesn't seek to illicit a reaction, it is just this random null read with no content to it in a very small list of reads. i can't grasp why it is even there. tending toward mafia again. next he starts posting and trying to solve the game and i generally like the way he is pushing so i start to think he is town again, but then at the end of all of that pushing he arrives at this: On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote: So to summarize: ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF which is like the biggest pile of LHF in the thread. so i am super confused right now. BUT HERE IS WHERE I GET REALLLLLLLLLYYYYY CONFUSED. REMEMBER TRFEL IS MAFIA TO HIM, now watch these next posts: On November 17 2015 03:06 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote: So to summarize: ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF Should add at least a bit of reasoning: All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions. (MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.) Other thoughts: Eversince will probably just get a pass from me for D1 because of the surgeries along with some points for trying to be here and do stuff. I didn't mind Farah, but want to see more in the near future. Still a bit waffly (btw: for ppl that don't know me: I am The Waffleboy) on The Shining, but he is a town lean for me atm. Also waffly about Breshke. Kinda liked scotts entry, so townlean unless he just vanishes for the rest of the day. I know scott is a low volume poster and I have a bit of a problem with that, since it often leads to me feeling like I don't see a proper read progression. NocturneMage, geript, ritoky and VE town. VE is town, trfel is mafia. On November 17 2015 05:32 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 04:28 Trfel wrote: Disformation, why did you townread scott31337? Please explain. Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote: I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game. I'm going ahead and respond to both of that. Since I remember scott as someone who does not post a lot, I don't think his late entry is alignment indicative. I kinda liked his entry because he was explained were he was at after catching up to the thread fairly well. Yeah, it was not that original. Maybe I am a bit biased because a lot of his views are very similar to mine... His sudden disappearance does worry me a bit though.. would like him to interact with a few ppl and/or to push his scum reads. While we are at that: ##vote MoosyDoosy @MoosyDoosy : Plx, explain your reads and answer my question. I also should maybe rethink my stance on VE since I pretty my like Trfel's case. I also do not feel like lynching Trfel atm. One of his only 3 mafia reads gives a scum read on one of his only 3 town reads and he then trusts his scum reads' case on his top town read and re-evaluates. I am so fucking confused by this I can't even explain it. It makes no sense, so I would appreciate it if someone would fucking explain this insanity to me. Ultimately he has shit that makes me think he is town, but he has shit that makes me think he is mafia, and then he has shit that I don't even understand. He might be in my lynch pile today cuz I think he is on the mafia side of null at the moment....but I feel like this is someone I am going to have difficulty reading all game long, so I really need to figure him out. | ||
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On November 17 2015 09:13 Breshke wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: Breshke, take your original read on me and switch it. It has worked 100% of the time in the past. Yes, this is fact. Have you played with sicklucker? I think you two would be friends. Ritoky since VE isn't here and you town read him do you see an explanation for this Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 07:51 Breshke wrote: ahh Trefel I just know realized that post wasnt referring to his fecal vote because thats meet to say and argued. VE can you explain this On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing. and this On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back! ##Unvote I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted. The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you. So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by. Seems to be saying two different things that's a bad metric to gauge VE on. with VE it is all about passion and the manner in which he provokes people....and how pissed off he gets when he isn't town read when he should be, but that bit only matters later in the game. i could care less if he was joking or serious doesn't matter to me tbh, he provoked someone in town VE way in order to get a read, and he showed early passion. town VE enough for me fttb. | ||
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ritoky geript ve trfel farah NM exempt: moosy - reasons ever - surgery sympathy not town: ff disform shining breshke scott any questions? | ||
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On November 17 2015 09:52 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 09:51 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh, to add to your post nocturne, he said meta on himself is invalid because he plays on other sites but he is willing to use meta on farah who's on her second game... Exactly, it's absolute shit that does dick all in figuring out anyone's alignment. I'm honestly this close to just lynching him at at least encouraging the use of investigative roles to sort out others. Meta is extremely powerful when it is used by someone with a strong grasp of it and a decent track record. For ex: my reads on alakaslam and damdred. But generally speaking it is wildly misused and over-inflated in importance. | ||
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On November 17 2015 10:01 Fecalfeast wrote: Hey ritoky you need a back rub or something? Hot chocolate? I have some espresso if that's more your thing. Weirdly enough I am from Seattle and don't drink coffee. Tea is my thing, drinking a vanilla chai tea atm, back rub sound amazing. | ||
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On November 17 2015 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 10:04 ritoky wrote: On November 17 2015 10:01 Fecalfeast wrote: Hey ritoky you need a back rub or something? Hot chocolate? I have some espresso if that's more your thing. Weirdly enough I am from Seattle and don't drink coffee. Tea is my thing, drinking a vanilla chai tea atm, back rub sound amazing. Cool, cool. I can do a chai latte if you're into steamed milk or whatever. What say you pop me up a notch or two on that list of yours, buddy. DANGER DANGER WIFOM NUKE ALERT! I am laughing so fucking hard at this irl, aight I will give you a town pass today just cuz of this. The chupazi in me believes you wouldn't be so obvious as mafia courting me for a hot date like this. | ||
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On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again yea the "i understand trfel's case and am considering it" into no unvote of trfel or immediate reaction is kinda a ???? moment. plus i have a lot of TRs | ||
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On November 17 2015 10:17 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 10:16 Fecalfeast wrote: On November 17 2015 10:11 ritoky wrote: On November 17 2015 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote: On November 17 2015 10:04 ritoky wrote: On November 17 2015 10:01 Fecalfeast wrote: Hey ritoky you need a back rub or something? Hot chocolate? I have some espresso if that's more your thing. Weirdly enough I am from Seattle and don't drink coffee. Tea is my thing, drinking a vanilla chai tea atm, back rub sound amazing. Cool, cool. I can do a chai latte if you're into steamed milk or whatever. What say you pop me up a notch or two on that list of yours, buddy. DANGER DANGER WIFOM NUKE ALERT! I am laughing so fucking hard at this irl, aight I will give you a town pass today just cuz of this. The chupazi in me believes you wouldn't be so obvious as mafia courting me for a hot date like this. Yeah, I'm gonna try not to speculate as much on what I would do if I were mafia, I've been using that shit as an excuse a lot lately and it sucks. + Show Spoiler + I totally would though.+ Show Spoiler + WIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOM Yes, I would use my meta of not caring as town in order to survive as Mafia yes. Which is what I'm doing now which is why you should lynch me yes. yes, YESSSSS!!!! this is going places!!!!!! | ||
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On November 17 2015 10:18 Fecalfeast wrote: When did I become such a pushover? That disform post reads pretty genuine to me At least I had a kid, what's your excuse? I am working on my "resist puppy dog eyes" stat right now, so I am less inclined to buy into it; but I can understand where you're coming from. | ||
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On November 17 2015 10:19 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 10:17 ritoky wrote: On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again yea the "i understand trfel's case and am considering it" into no unvote of trfel or immediate reaction is kinda a ???? moment. plus i have a lot of TRs Too many TRs. I imagine there's one of the really good players as scum or it's a really obvious/lurky team probably true, there's always that 1 sneakster mafia. | ||
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On November 17 2015 10:26 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 10:24 NocturneMage wrote: Besides Moosy, at the moment, there are others that I have questions on like VE (like FF can't be his only scumread), geript to a lesser extent (he's not lynchable but I want the whole Trfel thing to check out), disformation, the scott followup on Trfel. And VE completely dodged Breshke's questions upon re-reading. I'll be around another one or two hours, so if you have questions, feel free to ask. 3 never lynch today people and top 3 lynches today plz. a line or 2 on why, thanks bb | ||
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On November 17 2015 17:11 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 16:57 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm here now can you hold my hand geript and tell me what was scum indicative about disform's post? I'm about to go to bed. But I remember a few specific things. Feeling less motivated; that's something that tends to happen with new scum. The bite me in the butt comment. Just little things. The post really reminded me of what I'd tell a new scum to post. Be honest where possible. Back track as necessary. Try to make 1-2 new points that go nowhere. Search to clarify things that are irrelevant. Like I'm really waffly on Disinfo. And no real time to look at coaching qt. y'know that hadn't really occurred to me until you brought it up. why would he be considering what could be used against him to the point where he is aware comments are gonna "bite him". | ||
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On November 17 2015 19:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Did Moosy ever come in here and explain what got his panties in a twist earlier? Like, I know a couple people mentioned wanting to lynch him, but full martyr mode barely a day into D1? What was that about? Those who have played with him seem to think it's either town indicative or NAA, but I think maybe getting to the core of his issue might help some to determine his alignment for their own benefit, myself included. From what I can tell it was some combination of people in the game he doesn't like? people not agreeing with him? and him supposedly not liking getting the role of town? (which is a stupid pov cuz you hate 75% of the game) I was planning on avoiding him cuz I think anyone actively encouraging their own lynch in a serious way is grounds for mod action. If that doesn't pan out I am hoping for a cop or vigi to resolve him; otherwise I am gonna be up shit creek cuz I have a baby so I deal with enough fits in my day to day. | ||
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scott - constantly behind, no real legitimate engagement with the game, low amount of content, really strange breshke progression without much explanation behind it mostly just a quote; shown no real desire to find and lynch scum or really form a substantive town circle which means he is just playin on the fringes. shining - hasn't played since i made my points about posting reads out of his ass, not having teeth, and the like; thus my read hasn't changed. also fought with a guy under anesthesia, which makes 0 fucking sense to me...the guy admitted to being heavily medicated...fails the "what have you done for me recently test"...also excuses, hate excuses. disform - click my filter go see my case, it is a complex slightly mafia leaning read. geript pointing out the "post would come back to bite me comment" made me feel he is slightly more mafia cuz i can't really think of why a townie would be considering something like that....like why are you so heavily concerned about shit being used against you if you're town? but he does have that joke about lynching himself which felt like a redeeming quality so i hesitate. breshke? - i don't have a town read. | ||
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i gotta go to sleep now, thought about this a bit and something in my gut is just telling me not to vote for disform. so pretty much between scott and shining. shining has done more actively scummy things in my opinion, plus excuses....fuck excuses. i think this is the best place to start. g'night. and fuck you if someone comes on 10 minutes after this. | ||
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On November 17 2015 20:24 disformation wrote: phone post. profound sadness. @geript you have 7 ppl in your not town list, isnt that a bit much? keeping your options open? should i keep my post you would have advised me to post as mafia around for when i roll mafia? I mean you and ritoky called me out for it afteur all. | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:25 The Shining wrote: I'm here, kinda. I should've tried to be around but I got some bad news from my doctor that I don't really wanna talk about. Game starting on Sunday really made this hard for me. I'm gonna catch up then post some thoughts on what I can. Just glancing at votes, not sure of the cases behind them, but if its true from the last few posts that this thread is dead so close to deadline, I'm thinking Moosy is town and Breshke could be, too. Has anyone really defended them? Feels like scum doesn't care who is lynched right now since there's no defending or pushing in the last page or so. I do find it interesting though that ES vote is still on Farrah. Did she ever explain why its still there? Last time we spoke she said it was "satire" and claimed it wasn't a serious vote and that she wasnt required to change the vote, even though apparently she didn't think she was that sold on Farrah being scum. But her vote is still there. Prob gonna check her filter and see if she came back again. So much to catch up on, bare with me >_< ES hasn't posted since you posted basically. Assuming surgery things, but that excuse runs out of gas in a couple minutes. | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:26 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote: A few things. Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia. Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up. Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now. ##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them. Ritoky plz read this i do remember breshke asking questions and not driving forward with them..... | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:37 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 04:36 ritoky wrote: i have large problems with scott posting another "not gonna be here for a long time or actually say anything worthwhile" post. his excuse to content ratio is very high. Yes that is right. What gives me a bit of pause is the cousin with MS thing... By dick move analysis I think scott would not fake this. So he might have genuinely had no time? At least my gut feeling is telling me so. Brain says his filter is... uh... bad. You don't have to fake something to use it to your advantage in the game, for example literal 0 people are skeptical of ever cuz of his/her surgery. Probably not faked and regardless of alignment being used to his/her advantage. And yeah his filter is shite. Am going through breshke's now. | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:40 FarahBlackwing wrote: Just let the vig cop fgure moos (who I think is town) and scott out (who I think might be scum). I think its the right thing to do and just vote breshke out who has done scummy things as well. as breshke pointed out (just read it in his filter) guaranteed godfather...so if setup is cop could just lead to us getting fucked with this approach....which means i have to read moosy....sigh | ||
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On November 17 2015 07:51 Breshke wrote: ahh Trefel I just know realized that post wasnt referring to his fecal vote because thats meet to say and argued. VE can you explain this Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing. and this Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back! ##Unvote I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted. The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you. So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by. Seems to be saying two different things On November 17 2015 09:13 Breshke wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: Breshke, take your original read on me and switch it. It has worked 100% of the time in the past. Yes, this is fact. Have you played with sicklucker? I think you two would be friends. Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 07:51 Breshke wrote: ahh Trefel I just know realized that post wasnt referring to his fecal vote because thats meet to say and argued. VE can you explain this On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing. and this On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back! ##Unvote I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted. The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you. So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by. Seems to be saying two different things On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote: Breshke, who are your scumreads right now? If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine. It's mostly less active people. Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry. FF still being lazy so would lynch. Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. I also am waiting for VE to be around again. On November 17 2015 23:27 Breshke wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2015 07:51 Breshke wrote: ahh Trefel I just know realized that post wasnt referring to his fecal vote because thats meet to say and argued. VE can you explain this On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing. and this On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back! ##Unvote I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted. The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you. So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by. Seems to be saying two different things VE not to nag but can you reply to this PLS I don't think it has any bearing on the lynch but i would like it resolved. idk him not letting that go and constantly circling back to it seems somewhat town indicative to me. but i suppose when that's the most town thing in your filter that's not saying much lol. | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:45 NocturneMage wrote: ...but page 2, the pressing on VE seems towny, he IS following up there. welcome to my brain | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: He just doesn't want to lynch moos which I do not either. cuz? didn't you want cop/vigi shot on him? that should put him in your okay to lynch area.... | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:55 FarahBlackwing wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 04:53 ritoky wrote: On November 18 2015 04:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: He just doesn't want to lynch moos which I do not either. cuz? didn't you want cop/vigi shot on him? that should put him in your okay to lynch area.... I'd check on moss and a shot elsewhere depending. I think moos is likely town so I think both are wastes but the thread doesn't. do you think he is town enough to trust any of his reads going forward after he actively tried to lynch himself? | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:57 FarahBlackwing wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 04:56 ritoky wrote: On November 18 2015 04:55 FarahBlackwing wrote: On November 18 2015 04:53 ritoky wrote: On November 18 2015 04:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: He just doesn't want to lynch moos which I do not either. cuz? didn't you want cop/vigi shot on him? that should put him in your okay to lynch area.... I'd check on moss and a shot elsewhere depending. I think moos is likely town so I think both are wastes but the thread doesn't. do you think he is town enough to trust any of his reads going forward after he actively tried to lynch himself? Considering his only real scum read is me, no obviously. Besides that I wouldn't normally trust moos reads anyway from my experiences with him. will have to get into the whole you think he is a liability actively doing anti-town things but is town discussion when it actually matters and has impact on the lynch. | ||
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1) you put a lot of weight on this, idk i don't really think it matters that much. people try plays all the time and like to try to do shit right at the start of the game that's convoluted. most people are bad at it, then there's palmar. you could be right you could be wrong, it doesn't convince me and i find it NAI 2) probably your best point. i know i was advocating not dealing with you since you were being a crybaby and using roles to resolve you; but someone directed me toward the setup and the guaranteed godfather and i realized that it was a shitty approach cuz of setup and became depressed and resigned to having to read what you type. that is a much different progression than "use it on these people, use it on these people" "oh they're a waste but other people say that's how it should be". that tends toward mafia. 3) this makes 0 sense from you imo. "last game i was a little shit kicking and screaming and farah gave me tons of shit for it but i was town" this game you're a little shit kicking and screaming and she town reads you. of course she does? like what? you're playing the same as her last experience when you were town, so why shouldn't she just think you're doing more of the same? i don't get this at all. 4) yeah there's a pretty stark difference between "oh he's gonna flip town" and me who actually tried to move my vote. likely inconsequential ultimately (i dun remember the numbers) but saying and not acting is pretty meh. 5) seems self explanatory, would like to hear her explanation as to why; could be mafia indicative. 6) me and NM covered this earlier and i typed a lot so i don't really wanna repeat unless i have to; i'll go quote myself if i must. | ||
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On November 18 2015 14:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 14:41 ritoky wrote: i am in a poor mood atm. just read moosy's case, gonna respond to that before i read the rest of the shit. which one? there are two. I also have a question for you ritoky, let me dig it up. the one that isn't a copy of my post about disform. | ||
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On November 18 2015 14:40 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 04:24 ritoky wrote: i think you're town, but w/o reading i don't really have reason to think breshke is mafia outside of not TRing him...where is the reasons? This is pretty odd because in a short time frame a town buddy will generally sheep a good player who's a townread to vote for someone who isn't a town read. On November 18 2015 05:05 ritoky wrote: going back to sleep, feel free to yell at me geript this is like 30% my fault. also wish scott had been here 2 mins earlier might have been able to shenannie save him. | ||
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On November 18 2015 15:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 14:53 ritoky wrote: re: moosy's case 1) you put a lot of weight on this, idk i don't really think it matters that much. people try plays all the time and like to try to do shit right at the start of the game that's convoluted. most people are bad at it, then there's palmar. you could be right you could be wrong, it doesn't convince me and i find it NAI 2) probably your best point. i know i was advocating not dealing with you since you were being a crybaby and using roles to resolve you; but someone directed me toward the setup and the guaranteed godfather and i realized that it was a shitty approach cuz of setup and became depressed and resigned to having to read what you type. that is a much different progression than "use it on these people, use it on these people" "oh they're a waste but other people say that's how it should be". that tends toward mafia. 3) this makes 0 sense from you imo. "last game i was a little shit kicking and screaming and farah gave me tons of shit for it but i was town" this game you're a little shit kicking and screaming and she town reads you. of course she does? like what? you're playing the same as her last experience when you were town, so why shouldn't she just think you're doing more of the same? i don't get this at all. 4) yeah there's a pretty stark difference between "oh he's gonna flip town" and me who actually tried to move my vote. likely inconsequential ultimately (i dun remember the numbers) but saying and not acting is pretty meh. 5) seems self explanatory, would like to hear her explanation as to why; could be mafia indicative. 6) me and NM covered this earlier and i typed a lot so i don't really wanna repeat unless i have to; i'll go quote myself if i must. 1) well the thing with this point is kind of meta/tone. Like you can just tell that Farah is a serious player, so doing goofy shit like Palmar is out of the question. But what she did isn't the big issue here. It's how she tried to explain her action away twice with progressively worse reasons. Also there's the fact that she's pushing the game forwards to get reads as she "claims" in her reasons but then says she doesn't care about the game later on. That's a contradiction right there. 3) Her reason for town reading me was that I was doing the same thing, but she believes that I would try if I were Mafia. So I'm interested to see how she'll read me off of my recent behavior and especially since I've clearly been driving at her this whole time. 4) Switching would just seem that much more scummy. You're an exception because you didn't read the game and was just flailing around but her switching would seem a calculated Mafia move. Either way both wagons were going to flip town so it was easy for her to just put her vote somewhere, cry over the town loss, and eat up the town cred. 6) Alright, I'll look for it later. 1) you've made your point, it doesn't convince me. other stuff you said has lowered my opinion of her; but i doubt this point ever will ring home with me so it's an impasse. 4) this is kinda a bit confirmation biasy don't you think? | ||
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On November 18 2015 15:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 15:06 ritoky wrote: On November 18 2015 15:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 18 2015 14:53 ritoky wrote: re: moosy's case 1) you put a lot of weight on this, idk i don't really think it matters that much. people try plays all the time and like to try to do shit right at the start of the game that's convoluted. most people are bad at it, then there's palmar. you could be right you could be wrong, it doesn't convince me and i find it NAI 2) probably your best point. i know i was advocating not dealing with you since you were being a crybaby and using roles to resolve you; but someone directed me toward the setup and the guaranteed godfather and i realized that it was a shitty approach cuz of setup and became depressed and resigned to having to read what you type. that is a much different progression than "use it on these people, use it on these people" "oh they're a waste but other people say that's how it should be". that tends toward mafia. 3) this makes 0 sense from you imo. "last game i was a little shit kicking and screaming and farah gave me tons of shit for it but i was town" this game you're a little shit kicking and screaming and she town reads you. of course she does? like what? you're playing the same as her last experience when you were town, so why shouldn't she just think you're doing more of the same? i don't get this at all. 4) yeah there's a pretty stark difference between "oh he's gonna flip town" and me who actually tried to move my vote. likely inconsequential ultimately (i dun remember the numbers) but saying and not acting is pretty meh. 5) seems self explanatory, would like to hear her explanation as to why; could be mafia indicative. 6) me and NM covered this earlier and i typed a lot so i don't really wanna repeat unless i have to; i'll go quote myself if i must. 1) well the thing with this point is kind of meta/tone. Like you can just tell that Farah is a serious player, so doing goofy shit like Palmar is out of the question. But what she did isn't the big issue here. It's how she tried to explain her action away twice with progressively worse reasons. Also there's the fact that she's pushing the game forwards to get reads as she "claims" in her reasons but then says she doesn't care about the game later on. That's a contradiction right there. 3) Her reason for town reading me was that I was doing the same thing, but she believes that I would try if I were Mafia. So I'm interested to see how she'll read me off of my recent behavior and especially since I've clearly been driving at her this whole time. 4) Switching would just seem that much more scummy. You're an exception because you didn't read the game and was just flailing around but her switching would seem a calculated Mafia move. Either way both wagons were going to flip town so it was easy for her to just put her vote somewhere, cry over the town loss, and eat up the town cred. 6) Alright, I'll look for it later. 1) you've made your point, it doesn't convince me. other stuff you said has lowered my opinion of her; but i doubt this point ever will ring home with me so it's an impasse. 4) this is kinda a bit confirmation biasy don't you think? 1) meh 4) no, not really. She was driving the scott lynch and asked for votes to switch onto scott, so saying right before the lynch "he's gonna flip town!" is so bad. The only explanation is that she was trying to seem townie from it, but she forgot how she was driving part of the scott lynch and had explicitly stated before that she wouldn't care if he died. i suppose. i know when i was starting out as mafia someone got me cold with the fake remorse read so much so that i had to NK them, so it isn't that unlikely. | ||
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from what i can tell he agrees with moosy a lot on disform and farah; but a lot of that isn't fully his own thoughts. he also thinks moosy and shining are town. so who are the next 2 and why? | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:59 The Shining wrote: Rushing this post so people know where my head is at. Geript is townlean for referring to meta notes and looking at play objectively to change his reads in a way I can explain. I might have been pocketed because it bumped me up a notch when he did that but w.e, it is what it is. Ritoky is a question mark but on the town side of null for his acivity and questioning. But he posted a town case on VE and a long null case on disfo, which felt kind of weird to me. But not a good or viable lynch for d1 anyway so yeah. NM is pretty much lock town. Good questioning following an understandable train of thought and referring to posts. Maybe I'm just a sucker for someone who makes their posts easy to read. I wish VE was here because skimming through his filter, I still have my doubts about him over the early ES/Farrah stuff but some of his posts I cant find mafia motivation for so I want his thoughts on how EoD is shaping up. I kind of dont wanna lynch Scott just because of past games. Like I don't really like any of his posts, but I've felt that way before because of his activity and seemingly unexplained posts and reads, especially on D1, and he flipped town more than once. Maybe I'm just scared here. But off this game alone, he's on the scum side of null. It doesn't really feel like he's trying to figure out the game, I agree, but I'm not in much position to judge activity wise. Eversince is not here and still voting Farah. I really don't like it but what can I do when there's a medical excuse involved? And maybe I was nitpicking on her Farrah read, whatever, but I was under the impression a metaread is a read based on how someone played in a past game/games, which is what she did. But I'm not gonna beat a dead horse. Moosy martyring is horribad and he did in fact do this last game but he isn't voting. That's a modkill risk, anyway. I just hope to god if he is town he actually starts playing if he isn't lynched or modkilled here because if we have to carry that into D2 and I end up in triple lylo again, I'm blaming him. Farrah feels town, but not as lock town as I had her last game. The last few posts make me feel better about her, even with the switching back and forth on votes. I don't think scum is going to do that unless one is in fact her scum mate but she wants to apparently lynch both so idk. I honestly don't know what Fecal's done but he was lazy this early last game and ended up helping me figure out the game so idk about him. Null with a slight possibility of lazy town. Trfel has gotten a lot better since my initial suspicion on him, even though a lot of it recently seems to be centered on Scott. Disfo's waffliness seems to be off, although I can kind of understand his hesitance on me since he TRd me at first but had nothing to go off on me since I disappeared until now. But he's voting Scott now so idk if it's scum possibly bussing if Scott is scum or if Scott is really gonna flip town D1 again after this. TLDR I'd lynch Scott, ES, maybe disfo or ff but I'm really iffy on the last 2. ##Vote:Scott31337 Again this was super rushed and I know I have a lot of nulls/town leans but I had a lot to read in a little bit of time so I mostly skimmed filters. I'll be able to do a lot more this night phase and at work tomorrow if I get the chance - 3 obvious reads geript, me, nm -> town i think pretty much every single person in the game knows this so it's really easy to make and i find them overexplained - i doubt VE, but maybe town, but want his thoughts, but hid this in a giant post so he will never notice it, but haven't tried to ping him or talked about his activity dropoff. poop read - "i don't want to lynch scott, but vote scott cuz stuff" could very well be the old classic TMI "he look guys i was hesitating so don't blame me fully" bit. - hey everybody i am still scum reading the only person in the thread who cannot rebut me. notice me senpai a bit - moosy is the other wagon and he did anti-town stuff but let me vote the guy i have reservations about. - the posts he likes about farrah are the ones i hate - scott not trying to solve the game -> scum lean; ff not trying to solve the game -> town lean; SENSE - trfel has been going hard on 1 of your 3 town reads....and that's an improvement? this needs sum splaining - trying to play switzerland on disfo i mean at the end of that i basically learned that everything read he gave is full over indecision and caveats. like he doesn't believe anything strongly except that ever who is perpetual afk atm is mafia for some reason that no one in the game seems to understand except him. like why does anyone TR this guy? | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:24 FarahBlackwing wrote: Everyone except Ritoky, Eversince and FecalFeast have entered the thread at this point. You claim your shot as soon as you can as vig so that mafia can't create confusion later on with claiming the shot. We can eliminate Ritoky from the list of consideration because he hard town read VE throughout the day even if he dropped a bit due to inactivity. Eversince hasn't been here and didn't respond during the night which makes her highly unlikely to be the vigilante FecalFeast is the best candidate left currently. so what you're saying is you know VE was the vigi shot and not geript? how? also who the fuck shoots ve or geript as vigi.... | ||
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On November 19 2015 07:00 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 06:51 NocturneMage wrote: On November 19 2015 06:43 Breshke wrote: On November 19 2015 06:24 FarahBlackwing wrote: Everyone except Ritoky, Eversince and FecalFeast have entered the thread at this point. You claim your shot as soon as you can as vig so that mafia can't create confusion later on with claiming the shot. We can eliminate Ritoky from the list of consideration because he hard town read VE throughout the day even if he dropped a bit due to inactivity. Eversince hasn't been here and didn't respond during the night which makes her highly unlikely to be the vigilante FecalFeast is the best candidate left currently. Sorry not sure how I missed this. I don't think the vigi has to claim straight away but its not worth discussing and i can see why you would think that. I do not like that post from Farah at all. This is day 2, not mylo. I might be somewhat new here, but from all the games I've obsed, I can think of a few decent reasons for the vig waiting to claim. I can't see any town motivation personally for trying to openly out the vig or any blue role for that matter. The Eversince comment is a bad one because you don't know for sure if she's reading and just choosing not to post for medical/whatever and may have just slipped a PM. Who knows. The ritoky comment is bad in the event someone tinfoiled (is that the right English word) geript and scum went bluehunting on VE, which would implicate a veteran, someone who might know VE's play to take a gander on him. You cannot eliminate that possibility. The ritoky comment is good, IMO, because he hard towned both VE and geript iirc. So why would he vig either of them? And his last post saying vigging either was dumb makes it moot since its pretty obvs he isn't the Vig then except it implies she knows VE was the vigi shot and not geript. TMI as fuck. | ||
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On November 19 2015 07:00 NocturneMage wrote: given timing, I think she's trying to draw out a blue folks. This is something I learnt in newbie 13/14 anyhow. Discuss. it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. if she's the vigi there's no point to say anything but "i'm the vigi". if she is the doctor she just signed her death warrant. if she's veteran there's a guaranteed roleblocker and in most setups that counters vet protection so she is dead anyway unless we lynch exactly the RB today. if she's mafia being obtuse about it is less encouraging of a cc from blues, but she isn't an auto-lynch atm so claiming this early is.....idk it all just confuses me. | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote: Never killing me eh she might be blue..... | ||
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On November 19 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: The fact that she claimed, but didn't bother going through MoosyDoosy's case point by point is really, really suspicious. I know I'm not the only one who asked for that. Would FarahBlackwing fakeclaim here as town? I would think not, but am I wrong? she is a new player, they are more prone to get ants in their pants and claim stupidly or too early than to make a fake claim that they know will get them into a screaming match w/ 40+ hours left in the day....unless you're me and fake claim cop your 2nd game ever. | ||
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On November 19 2015 07:15 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Wait, what? Story time.On November 19 2015 07:13 ritoky wrote: On November 19 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: The fact that she claimed, but didn't bother going through MoosyDoosy's case point by point is really, really suspicious. I know I'm not the only one who asked for that. Would FarahBlackwing fakeclaim here as town? I would think not, but am I wrong? she is a new player, they are more prone to get ants in their pants and claim stupidly or too early than to make a fake claim that they know will get them into a screaming match w/ 40+ hours left in the day....unless you're me and fake claim cop your 2nd game ever. i was developing a strategy of fake claiming a red check on 27nb as VT every game to get a reaction from her. which the 2 of the 3 times i did it resulted in both of us being lynched/shot as VT. the 3rd she was mafia and people actually thought i was a cop and were mindfucked when i rescinded and said i just guessed. | ||
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On November 19 2015 07:38 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 06:20 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm pretty sure fecal is the vig which makes the game pretty easy. I'm catching up sorry I had a lot of business to take care of today. I am not the vig can you make me fall in love with you today. i gave you a town pass cuz you courted me and were funny, but you're starting to make your way toward my PoE at a quicker and quicker rate. so plz defecate town rainbows if you're town. | ||
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On November 19 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Then can you please answer the points that MoosyDoosy brought up?On November 19 2015 07:49 FarahBlackwing wrote: Never lynch an uncc blue your dumb otherwise. Can you please explain how it is beneficial to try and figure out who the vigilante is? because at worst the vigi is just a confirmed town which lowers the lynch pool by 1 (2 if farah is legit). at best the vigi baits a cc from mafia and we get a 1:1. there is actually 0 reason to not claim as vigi post-shot unless they are trying to avoid having me tell them why they are stupid for shooting geript or ve. | ||
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On November 19 2015 07:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: Already answered on the case and vig issues Just from an advice perspective, being obstinate about something that multiple people clearly didn't understand the first time instead of attempting to re-explain it in a manner they can grasp is not a good way to garner others' trust or rally people to your cause. The part of moosy's case I wanted an explanation from you on was your disformation read progression. What is your read on him? How did you get there? Why? What made you think he was the best lynch then move to breshke? | ||
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On November 19 2015 08:00 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Okay, so let's assume for a moment that you're right, and the vigilante is stupid for not claiming.On November 19 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote: On November 19 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote: On November 19 2015 07:49 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then can you please answer the points that MoosyDoosy brought up?Never lynch an uncc blue your dumb otherwise. Can you please explain how it is beneficial to try and figure out who the vigilante is? because at worst the vigi is just a confirmed town which lowers the lynch pool by 1 (2 if farah is legit). at best the vigi baits a cc from mafia and we get a 1:1. there is actually 0 reason to not claim as vigi post-shot unless they are trying to avoid having me tell them why they are stupid for shooting geript or ve. We find who the vigilante is, then we know who is stupid. Yay? The vigilante wouldn't avoid claiming if they're under a sufficient amount of suspicion anyway, no matter what. So you can assume that the vigilante isn't that highly suspected. So IT DOESN'T MATTER. it is the denial of a universal TR to town for what i can only assume is a lack of understanding of mechanics or selfish reasons...it is just anti-town to not claim; if you don't understand then your mechanics are not strong enough. | ||
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On November 19 2015 08:08 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 08:03 ritoky wrote: On November 19 2015 07:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: Already answered on the case and vig issues Just from an advice perspective, being obstinate about something that multiple people clearly didn't understand the first time instead of attempting to re-explain it in a manner they can grasp is not a good way to garner others' trust or rally people to your cause. The part of moosy's case I wanted an explanation from you on was your disformation read progression. What is your read on him? How did you get there? Why? What made you think he was the best lynch then move to breshke? It's kinda funny tho becuz she was this obstinate last game too what was her alignment? and do you think it is an alignment indicator or a personality thing? | ||
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On November 19 2015 08:27 FarahBlackwing wrote: Either lynch me or believe me I will be as obstinate as possible until one or the other happens. ew ultimatums.... | ||
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On November 19 2015 13:01 Damdred wrote: Hi. This is a entrance post, if you guys have questions ask me what's up? how much of the thread have you read? are you the veteran? | ||
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pretty much where i am at is: ever is a problem because of inactivity and if we miss today we bring a coin flip to mylo, debating whether town trfel pushes on an un-cc'd claim and tending a bit toward mafia indicative, i told ff to poop town and he didn't which is a problem. and then i don't like shining that much. let me know where you are when you can. | ||
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On November 19 2015 14:08 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 14:07 ritoky wrote: well i am at work for the next 9 hours so if you do stuff or got questions i will intermittently respond. pretty much where i am at is: ever is a problem because of inactivity and if we miss today we bring a coin flip to mylo, debating whether town trfel pushes on an un-cc'd claim and tending a bit toward mafia indicative, i told ff to poop town and he didn't which is a problem. and then i don't like shining that much. let me know where you are when you can. Who would you pick between Trfel and Breshke? Hm...gut says there's a scum between them. trfel, not even close. | ||
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dunno if i really agree on your ever stance. confident enough to not lynch now and then in potential mylo? | ||
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On November 19 2015 15:21 Damdred wrote: Well, honestly yesterday was probably the correct day to lynch ever just because it was decently obvious that she wouldn't be able to participate if you wanted coin flip lynches. Which Scott was. Besides that if ever comes back good if not mod needs to deal with it. what do we gain from an ever lynch exactly? Nothing at all. Anyway I want some tense moments between us. Besides that I need to check truffles scum game, but I'm sorta doubting that scum truffle sees town moos and town breshke up and gets offended nobody listens to him about Scott. If trfel is scum probably scum with breshke but probably not on a gut feeling which I need to proof assuming status quo (more non-posting or minimal posting from ever) then what you're saying is you're confident enough to never lynch ever all game. if you don't want to lynch before mylo or during 1st mylo you're essentially committing to never lynching the afk. could be a sub or modkill or w/e to change that situation, but playing around mod actions is never good strategy. one that i already fucked up on earlier. | ||
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there once was a game where ritoky was mafia. on day 3 every single person in the game read him as mafia. he had to work and do irl things for the first 24 hours of the day phase. upon returning he realized that there was no way to play himself out of this. as a result, ritoky and mafia team devised a plan to fake afk and then ninja vote with 3 seconds left. all of town played around the mod action that ritoky would be modkilled or subbed. ritoky ninja votes, claiming scum, and focing the game to lylo. town proceeds to lose. vivax never forgives ritoky. i have other examples, but if your plan to resolve ever involves mod action, you're just wrong. | ||
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On November 20 2015 05:34 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2015 03:23 Damdred wrote: Ok since nobody is claiming a shot and allowing town to parse the data ever since has to be the vigilante since I don't think any of you guys could be that bad. Like really if the big isn't ever you are hurting town so much right now. And until we learn who the big shot we can't use either geripts or be read on who they think is scum or not. Anyway just got home so going to do some reading. I was vigilante and shot VE because I wanted to see how Trfel's read on him turned out and also because I have no idea how to read him. Which leaves me with the situation where I want disformation dead and a situation where I want Trfel dead. hard claim? | ||
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On November 20 2015 07:03 disformation wrote: ritoky can you explain why you want to lynch trfel? 2 reasons primarily: 1) The following sentence is probably the most awkward/scummy sentence in the entire thread. On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote: Wait, what the heck? This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here. Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town. Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas. He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia. So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched? I don't like this one bit. 2) Trfel procedurally understands the game enough to not push relentlessly on an uncc'd blue. There's a difference between "I scum read this person for a couple posts to make sure they hold their claim" and what he was doing. He was legitimately applying pressure. I had begun to consider the tinfoil world where he might be doctor, but damdred enters the game maintains the claim, and he backs off. So it wasn't cc based, it wasn't good play, so it was probably just mafia. Reasons why I greatly prefer trfel to breshke: 1) I think trfel has done mafia things, I don't think breshke has done much of anything. Breshke is in the pile of ff and ever of not doing anything to significantly impact the game and 1 or 2 of them are probably mafia. 2) 1 of the primary reasons for people pushing breshke (geript's isolated questions and blah blah read) was just factually false. 3) I don't think trfel and breshke are together and I think trfel is mafia. I say this primarily because of setup. It is a set-up with only a 50% chance of having investigative power and a guaranteed GF. This means that distancing and busing are more optimal than hard defense and aligning; and trfel has been REALLY defending breshke (like since p1 of his filter defending) pretty much all game. I think both trfel and breshke are good enough players to recognize that about the setup and I sincerely doubt that trfel hard defends his partner so early. Probably a case of mafia trying to pocket town. imo lynch pool right now should be something like: trfel - reasons above ever - already said why ff - hasn't shit town rainbow yet, disengaged shining - same as before + extra dropoff + not scum hunting. | ||
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On November 20 2015 07:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: Wait wait moosey nobody ask him this until he answers. Why did you shoot VE over your hard scum read in Farah during n1? I was confident that Farah was scum and that I would secure her lynch during D2. Which would have been the case had she not acted scummy as fuck because she was blue sigh. It was better for me to kill someone I was unsure of how to read and to get a check on Trfel. Why wait 24 hours to claim? | ||
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On November 20 2015 07:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2015 07:38 ritoky wrote: On November 20 2015 07:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 20 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: Wait wait moosey nobody ask him this until he answers. Why did you shoot VE over your hard scum read in Farah during n1? I was confident that Farah was scum and that I would secure her lynch during D2. Which would have been the case had she not acted scummy as fuck because she was blue sigh. It was better for me to kill someone I was unsure of how to read and to get a check on Trfel. Why wait 24 hours to claim? The hero side of me wanted Mafia to claim and for me to counter claim. no point in lecturing on why this is a selfish and sub-optimal play...it was. | ||
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On November 20 2015 07:48 MoosyDoosy wrote: yooo ritoky you here? Let's play a brief fun game. i am here, have a baby in my arms so slightly delayed response times | ||
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On November 20 2015 07:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2015 07:53 ritoky wrote: On November 20 2015 07:48 MoosyDoosy wrote: yooo ritoky you here? Let's play a brief fun game. i am here, have a baby in my arms so slightly delayed response times I give a town read and then you give a town read. I'll go first since you your baby. MoosyDoosy ritoky | ||
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On November 20 2015 07:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2015 07:55 ritoky wrote: On November 20 2015 07:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 20 2015 07:53 ritoky wrote: On November 20 2015 07:48 MoosyDoosy wrote: yooo ritoky you here? Let's play a brief fun game. i am here, have a baby in my arms so slightly delayed response times I give a town read and then you give a town read. I'll go first since you your baby. MoosyDoosy ritoky Shining Ew. Nocturnemage | ||
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On November 20 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote: Like, I'm pouring so much time into this game. During my exam week, when I said I'd be busy. And now I'm being lynched because "geript said..." When geript didn't do a single towny thing all game long? I don't care that geript's flipped town, that DOES NOT make him right. AS PROVEN BY MY ROLE PM. Use a bit of sense. so who's mafia then? why did you back off damdred if his slot's play made no sense? | ||
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On November 20 2015 08:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote: On November 20 2015 07:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 20 2015 07:55 ritoky wrote: On November 20 2015 07:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: On November 20 2015 07:53 ritoky wrote: On November 20 2015 07:48 MoosyDoosy wrote: yooo ritoky you here? Let's play a brief fun game. i am here, have a baby in my arms so slightly delayed response times I give a town read and then you give a town read. I'll go first since you your baby. MoosyDoosy ritoky Shining Ew. Nocturnemage Heh. Fecalfeast ? damdred | ||
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On November 20 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote: cool. Thanks for your participation. So we kill Trfel and Breshke. i mean you did TR 3 of the 4 people on my scum list back-to-back-to-back....... | ||
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pretty good post by ff about breshke. hate that it took a good case on him to prompt it though. | ||
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also in support of a shining or ever lynch. might be convinced of an ff lynch. | ||
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On November 21 2015 07:58 The Shining wrote: I still don't understand. So you guys have a sick soulread on each other, never been wrong. Are you saying he's wrong here? What exactly did you figure out from that? And what about the Scott stuff I brought up a while back that others have pinged on as well? And thinking I'm scum/lynchable all game but doing nothing about it? i literally tried to lynch you day 1. i am probably going to try and lynch you again tomorrow. what scott stuff? i put him in PoE cuz he was not doing anything town. i tried to lynch you. i came back a half hour before the deadline, people had pushed scott; he was in my PoE so i lynched him over what we now know is vigi. sorry, not sorry. | ||
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On November 21 2015 08:02 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote: so it's actually like 98% impossible disformation is ever mafia, maybe even 99% My role PM says, it is 100% impossible for me to be mafia. But where did that come from? It is a bit out of the blue for me? If I recall correctly the last time I was on the very bottom of your town list. you were 4th on my town list before. your vote movement on and off breshke day 1 makes you nearly impossible to be mafia. | ||
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On November 21 2015 08:13 The Shining wrote: The fake remorse literally right at EoD over him being town. And no you didn't lynch him. You swapped onto our unCCd Vig. Why lie? And where exactly did you try to lynch me? You voted me, then moved onto Scott then Moosy. But when you swapped off of Scott for Moosy, even though you think I'm scum, you never once found it weird that I voted with you on Scott before you swapped. And you didn't comment much or at all on geripts Breshke case d1. You also tried to get Trfel lynched over Brshke before switching over. So if you're gonna try to get me lynched, you think I bussed Breshke? And during my small time here the night before EoD, me questioning and making Breshke frustrated was what? Orchestrated in QT? My pressuring him and calling him scum and asking about his Farrah and disfo reads have what scum motivation exactly? alright you're just wrong on so many levels here, there's no way you're not scum. 1st you've been wanting to push me for omgus all game and just been waiting to do it but i am town, and everyone has correctly read me town so you just can't. the literal moment anyone suggests it is possible you opportunistically hop on what you've been trying to do all game long. it's a joke, but here's where you're so fucking wrong on every single thing: 1) you did nothing to breshke, that lynch was 0% yours. you were literally completely inactive for 2 days and had 0 thread influence so assuming that you could do anything to influence the lynch is a fallacy. also "you think i bussed breshke?" well you think i did so you're already contradicting yourself; but the answer to this question is yes. a 0 investigative power game? hard bussing a partner is optimal. 2) where did i try to lynch you: On November 16 2015 14:32 ritoky wrote: idk about that shining post you quoted there breshke. you're like "second paragraph is whatever"; the second paragraph is an excuse wrapped in self-aware meta. no bueno. plus i don't think he is nitpicky....i think he doesn't care about his reads, he is just giving them out of his ass. oh wait who was that defending your bullshit read early game? oh yeah that was the confirmed mafia you went hard on, but let's stay on track here. On November 17 2015 20:04 ritoky wrote: my lynch list is pretty much: scott, shining, disform, and maybe breshke? although the moosy thing i guess i wouldn't be opposed to cuz i have no fucking clue and am mostly just praying to the PR. scott - constantly behind, no real legitimate engagement with the game, low amount of content, really strange breshke progression without much explanation behind it mostly just a quote; shown no real desire to find and lynch scum or really form a substantive town circle which means he is just playin on the fringes. shining - hasn't played since i made my points about posting reads out of his ass, not having teeth, and the like; thus my read hasn't changed. also fought with a guy under anesthesia, which makes 0 fucking sense to me...the guy admitted to being heavily medicated...fails the "what have you done for me recently test"...also excuses, hate excuses. disform - click my filter go see my case, it is a complex slightly mafia leaning read. geript pointing out the "post would come back to bite me comment" made me feel he is slightly more mafia cuz i can't really think of why a townie would be considering something like that....like why are you so heavily concerned about shit being used against you if you're town? but he does have that joke about lynching himself which felt like a redeeming quality so i hesitate. breshke? - i don't have a town read. remember when you spent the entire game trying to lynch an afk rather than participate? that was fun. On November 17 2015 20:27 ritoky wrote: ##vote: the shining i gotta go to sleep now, thought about this a bit and something in my gut is just telling me not to vote for disform. so pretty much between scott and shining. shining has done more actively scummy things in my opinion, plus excuses....fuck excuses. i think this is the best place to start. g'night. and fuck you if someone comes on 10 minutes after this. and that's me on day 1, heaven forbid the rest of my filter where i perpetually ask every1 all game why they TR or null read you and not a fucking soul ever answers me they just keep saying "town". 3) oh my god you didn't comment on geript's case on breshke; except the part where i called it factually wrong with NM? On November 18 2015 04:46 ritoky wrote: idk him not letting that go and constantly circling back to it seems somewhat town indicative to me. but i suppose when that's the most town thing in your filter that's not saying much lol. On November 18 2015 04:47 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2015 04:45 NocturneMage wrote: ...but page 2, the pressing on VE seems towny, he IS following up there. welcome to my brain i stand by that shit too, even if he was mafia geript's case was factually wrong. he said breshke had no constant opinions and asked isolated questions when breshke literally focused on like 3 things all game; it was a right read for the wrong reasons. 4) yup, i tried to lynch trfel cuz he was pushing on an uncc'd blue. i think he isn't a brainless player and that's a brainless play. it makes 0 sense from a town perspective, i also had a read that there was 1 between breshke and trfel since hard aligning is stupid in 0 inv setup. trfel then brought the fire and i moved my vote....before you did.....just sayin. it's okay though dude, you're mafia in a tough spot looking for MLs; but pushing ML on me is always shit, cuz i rain sulfur on kids. | ||
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On November 21 2015 08:36 Damdred wrote: Shining is 100% town and anyone who wants to lynch him tommorow will literally have to scream over me while I spam the thread to hell. No way this is scum shining get ready to get screamed over, this kid is mafia. | ||
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On November 21 2015 08:17 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 08:04 ritoky wrote: On November 21 2015 07:58 The Shining wrote: I still don't understand. So you guys have a sick soulread on each other, never been wrong. Are you saying he's wrong here? What exactly did you figure out from that? And what about the Scott stuff I brought up a while back that others have pinged on as well? And thinking I'm scum/lynchable all game but doing nothing about it? i literally tried to lynch you day 1. i am probably going to try and lynch you again tomorrow. what scott stuff? i put him in PoE cuz he was not doing anything town. i tried to lynch you. i came back a half hour before the deadline, people had pushed scott; he was in my PoE so i lynched him over what we now know is vigi. sorry, not sorry. And you also didn't answer what it is you figured out from Damdred calling u Mafia. Unless you're implying the unCCd vet is scum? yes, let me admit what i might have found that damdred soul reads me for so i can't use it to manipulate him in any future games. dumb. | ||
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On November 21 2015 08:47 Fecalfeast wrote: I just want ever's replacement to come in like "Hey guys I'm a vig with no bullets who'd I shoot?" so we can kill moose and not feel bad about it yo fecal, can you tell me a joke or two. i wanna calm down to make sure i am not wearing omgus glasses before i reaffirm that i want to go hard on shining. | ||
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On November 21 2015 08:59 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 08:58 ritoky wrote: wait...if my wife doesn't close her eyes.....did i marry a man? As far as I can tell, yes. how does man have babi? | ||
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On November 21 2015 08:57 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 08:45 ritoky wrote: On November 21 2015 08:17 The Shining wrote: On November 21 2015 08:04 ritoky wrote: On November 21 2015 07:58 The Shining wrote: I still don't understand. So you guys have a sick soulread on each other, never been wrong. Are you saying he's wrong here? What exactly did you figure out from that? And what about the Scott stuff I brought up a while back that others have pinged on as well? And thinking I'm scum/lynchable all game but doing nothing about it? i literally tried to lynch you day 1. i am probably going to try and lynch you again tomorrow. what scott stuff? i put him in PoE cuz he was not doing anything town. i tried to lynch you. i came back a half hour before the deadline, people had pushed scott; he was in my PoE so i lynched him over what we now know is vigi. sorry, not sorry. And you also didn't answer what it is you figured out from Damdred calling u Mafia. Unless you're implying the unCCd vet is scum? yes, let me admit what i might have found that damdred soul reads me for so i can't use it to manipulate him in any future games. dumb. "Yes, let me mention Damdreds soul read on me without refuting it and making no conclusions and saying nothing helpful regarding it or the current game.". If it had nothing to do with how you currently read Damdred, or this game, why even mention it? re: this clearly you've never been in a game with both damdred and i before. the fact that this was the first mention of a soul read is nearly a miracle. re: the rest of your stuff, i didn't really read it i saw something about "you spent more time defending yourself". duh, the post said "here's why you're wrong" not "here's why you're mafia". "here's why you're mafia" post is coming next after i calm down and make sure i am seeing clearly rather than breathing hot fiyah. | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:07 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 09:02 ritoky wrote: On November 21 2015 08:57 The Shining wrote: On November 21 2015 08:45 ritoky wrote: On November 21 2015 08:17 The Shining wrote: On November 21 2015 08:04 ritoky wrote: On November 21 2015 07:58 The Shining wrote: I still don't understand. So you guys have a sick soulread on each other, never been wrong. Are you saying he's wrong here? What exactly did you figure out from that? And what about the Scott stuff I brought up a while back that others have pinged on as well? And thinking I'm scum/lynchable all game but doing nothing about it? i literally tried to lynch you day 1. i am probably going to try and lynch you again tomorrow. what scott stuff? i put him in PoE cuz he was not doing anything town. i tried to lynch you. i came back a half hour before the deadline, people had pushed scott; he was in my PoE so i lynched him over what we now know is vigi. sorry, not sorry. And you also didn't answer what it is you figured out from Damdred calling u Mafia. Unless you're implying the unCCd vet is scum? yes, let me admit what i might have found that damdred soul reads me for so i can't use it to manipulate him in any future games. dumb. "Yes, let me mention Damdreds soul read on me without refuting it and making no conclusions and saying nothing helpful regarding it or the current game.". If it had nothing to do with how you currently read Damdred, or this game, why even mention it? re: this clearly you've never been in a game with both damdred and i before. the fact that this was the first mention of a soul read is nearly a miracle. re: the rest of your stuff, i didn't really read it i saw something about "you spent more time defending yourself". duh, the post said "here's why you're wrong" not "here's why you're mafia". "here's why you're mafia" post is coming next after i calm down and make sure i am seeing clearly rather than breathing hot fiyah. Nope. If I recall correctly, we've only played one other game together and Damdred wasn't there. And you wanted to lynch me for shit reasons. I thought you were scum. We were both town. You just can't read me for shit, apparently. Annnddd Damdred just replaced yesterday. So how is it a miracle that it was the first mention of it? And actually it wasn't, I'm pretty sure disfo and maybe someone else asked Damdred specifically about whether he had his soulread on you. I guess you missed that during your dropoff. yawn speak to me when you're not doubled in filter. damdred soul reads me in 20-40 minutes normally, so 2 days is pretty miraculous. | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:09 The Shining wrote: And fine, I'll gladly await the here's why I'm Mafia. Should be epic. But ignoring the rest of the post when I actually brought up things about you that I feel make no sense/make you scum(like your willingness to lynch my first scumread) gives me 0 warm fuzzies about you i was considering lynching ever because of procedural reasons: 1) don't play around mod actions, mods don't always follow their own rules, and people (like i have in the past) abuse aspects of the rules for advantages. 2) taking a coinflip to mylo is always terrible from a pure gameplay perspective. i can explain it to you if you don't understand, but essentially if you're willing to take a coinflip to mylo you're committing to never lynching them all game. procedural lynching is much different than scum reading someone on anesthesia. | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:07 Fecalfeast wrote: Ritoky if I gave you a gun and told you to shoot anyone who isn't shining, would you use it? On whom? I'm not feeling extra funny right now sorry bb. it's okay i think i might go shave to calm myself. shooting ever is always the correct play, but i am in a mood right now so i would shoot NM cuz yolo tinfoil. | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:15 The Shining wrote: Try finding something better than activity and filter size when I roll town 90% of the time with smaller or equal filter sizes to this. Your picking on NAI shit is getting old. Damdred hasnt been here from the start, he replaced in. Why would you think he'd read you the same as a game you both started in from the beginning? because he has subbed into games and done it before and i have subbed into games where he instantly read me before, we have played a lot together. | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:18 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 09:07 Fecalfeast wrote: Ritoky if I gave you a gun and told you to shoot anyone who isn't shining, would you use it? On whom? I'm not feeling extra funny right now sorry bb. it's okay i think i might go shave to calm myself. shooting ever is always the correct play, but i am in a mood right now so i would shoot NM cuz yolo tinfoil. cuz basically in the scenario where i can't shoot shining cuz town shielded i am here: town: ritoky disform damdred moosy shining other: ff ever trfel NM if i pull out ff cuz he has basically been trying to get me to cheat on my wife all game by looking at me tantalizingly from the corner, then we have ever, trfel, NM and if my read on trfel is right that 1 between trfel and breshke, then i have a team of exactly: ever, NM....which i am not sure how i feel about that right now. but if shining is town then lynching those 3 wins the game in all likelihood. | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:23 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 09:18 ritoky wrote: On November 21 2015 09:07 Fecalfeast wrote: Ritoky if I gave you a gun and told you to shoot anyone who isn't shining, would you use it? On whom? I'm not feeling extra funny right now sorry bb. it's okay i think i might go shave to calm myself. shooting ever is always the correct play, but i am in a mood right now so i would shoot NM cuz yolo tinfoil. I meant to ask about that before we started our back and forth. Why is NM the tinfoil? Any reason in particular or gut feeling? Feel free to disregard because you think I'm scum but I'm not and this could help my read on you it was the "lynching trfel and not listening to anything tmrw" post. was really the 1st time he gave me pause all game. idk it was just a really bizarre post all things considered. | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 09:18 ritoky wrote: On November 21 2015 09:07 Fecalfeast wrote: Ritoky if I gave you a gun and told you to shoot anyone who isn't shining, would you use it? On whom? I'm not feeling extra funny right now sorry bb. it's okay i think i might go shave to calm myself. shooting ever is always the correct play, but i am in a mood right now so i would shoot NM cuz yolo tinfoil. Actually wait. Why wouldn't you shoot FF? He's still in your doodoo pile, you still think he's scum? because he pocketed me by reading me town after i got angry. | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote: What's the full argument for trfel and breshke being opposite alignments? basically in the rules it states: "The homunculli will know which of these is accurate, but members of the State will not." meaning the mafia knew the game setup from the start. this means they knew there was no investigative power. assuming they are players with brains this means hard i expect less hard aligning from mafia. trfel pretty much hard defended breshke day 1; and then on day 2 tried to push off of breshke against an overwhelming majority onto a lynch clearly no1 was getting on board at the time. so pretty much you have to assume they hard aligned after knowing the setup and how it was not beneficial to hard align, then instead of going for credit and lynching his partner he pushed against every town read of his onto someone he thought was scum. there's another point but i forgot it and am getting rdy for work. also his passion when ppl wanted to lynch him are the feelz | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:20 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 10:11 ritoky wrote: disform's read have been flipping on a dime all game based on thread sentiment; it is nothing new. he is probably just easily influenced town though cuz of the post where he suggested lynching himself early and his sheeping onto breshke day 1. of non-conf town he is the most town in the game; not even close to being close. I mean, isn't that normally a scum tell? It is for me. And he was well aware that he's done it in all his past town games so its not like he can't use that card to his advantage. How early/late did he sheep onto Breshke? I have to check that, cuz a vote is always changeable until EoD. And I'll go reread the post where he suggested lynching himself because he's been pretty much a pass for everyone recently. I'm wondering how genuine that suggestion was. Normally it is a scum tell yes. But he is a new player right? And haven't like all other new players subbed out of this game so this is basically a 0 newbie game? I can see being swayed. Idk, maybe...it is just hard for me to see many new players have the gusto to suggest lynching themselves immediately. And he was very quick onto breshke...also kinda quick off too. | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:32 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2015 10:28 ritoky wrote: On November 21 2015 10:20 The Shining wrote: On November 21 2015 10:11 ritoky wrote: disform's read have been flipping on a dime all game based on thread sentiment; it is nothing new. he is probably just easily influenced town though cuz of the post where he suggested lynching himself early and his sheeping onto breshke day 1. of non-conf town he is the most town in the game; not even close to being close. I mean, isn't that normally a scum tell? It is for me. And he was well aware that he's done it in all his past town games so its not like he can't use that card to his advantage. How early/late did he sheep onto Breshke? I have to check that, cuz a vote is always changeable until EoD. And I'll go reread the post where he suggested lynching himself because he's been pretty much a pass for everyone recently. I'm wondering how genuine that suggestion was. Normally it is a scum tell yes. But he is a new player right? And haven't like all other new players subbed out of this game so this is basically a 0 newbie game? I can see being swayed. Idk, maybe...it is just hard for me to see many new players have the gusto to suggest lynching themselves immediately. And he was very quick onto breshke...also kinda quick off too. Iirc this is his 5th or 6th game? So that does make sense. But if he were scum, it would be his first game. This is def reaching but you never know if he was overwhelmed by rolling scum and took a gambit with suggesting we lynch him. That's not something I can ever tell or prove tho. Like, his waffliness only makes me waffle on him so hard. It's a vicious cycle. =/ you mean: or going to work soon. phone posting periodically....but probably not at all because ppl like to get drunk and hurt themselves or stick things in their ass on friday nights. | ||
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On November 22 2015 08:04 NocturneMage wrote: whilst you're here ritoky, mind explaining to me what a soul read is? some extension of a meta read? soul read is a term used for a meta read/tone read shared between 2 people that is above 90% accuracy. | ||
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for example: you talk about ff's breshke case impacting my vote or read. it didn't. i have a read of 1 between trfel and breshke because of setup and mafia knowing about setup that you can't seem to grasp or refuse to grasp cuz it implicates you. trfel got mad and felt town, ff felt town, breshke felt not here. voted breshke. pretty simple shit. every case made against breshke that didn't say "he is afk" this game was shit. like literal shit. he just so happened to end up being mafia. | ||
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On November 22 2015 08:09 NocturneMage wrote: cheers ritoky. a bit foreign how I could believe in the event two people "soul-reading" each other are both mafia, but that is besides the point. a ways to go for me before I can even think of metareading... so you think that me and damdred are mafia? damdred is the only person i have a soul read on....and he is blue so it is pointless; but he already said his soul read on me says i am town. | ||
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yes breshke and trfel have both played enough games to understand bussing is more advantageous than not in a game where the mod tells you "0 investigations" from moment 1. i would expect them to act accordingly. i am willing to admit it isn't a perfect read that guarantees trfel is town; but i like my unorthodox reads. i think my read on shining might just be dogshit and he might just be town and i might just have a terrible read on him. disfo is nearly conf town from vote perspective. damdred is blue. i am town. so pretty much i need to find a town between trfel, onegu, NM, and ff and then we just lynch the rest and win the game. currently i think ff is most town, so onegu/nm/trfel wins the game. | ||
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only i can lynch mafia and go from being top TR to mafia read, #townproblems | ||
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i am town -> most town all game, lynched mafia, who am i bussing? (self-metametametametameta) damdred is town -> blue ff is town -> tone + willing to be PoE shining is town -> my read is shit, confirmed it was shit, accepting others lynch these people and we win or get to mylo: tfel onegu remainder: NM -> lots of effort and cases, bizarre trfel post after flip, rando sudden push on me, not reading my responses, probably not mafia if trfel mafia though. disfo -> procedurally should be town for vote thing, but PoE + opinions move like water | ||
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we lynch trfel today. | ||
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trfel flips town, we lynch onegu and we are in mylo picking between disfo and NM...but in that world NM is a lot more likely than disfo. yeah so it basically feels like trfel + disfo or onegu + NM. i think i solved it, unless my read on shining is actually good, which it is shit. | ||
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onegu + NM trfel + disfo trfel + onegu then we can cover all possibilities by lynching onegu or trfel today. | ||
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On November 22 2015 13:48 Fecalfeast wrote: I mean, maybe it's just trfel and onegu and there's nothing to solve but I need to look at your filter again ricky feel free, but there's no real point. | ||
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On November 17 2015 10:10 NocturneMage wrote: Anyways second look at Breshke indicates his would lynch is FF, Moosy and he's waiting for VE. Eh, nothing unusual, thought his response to my question 6 pages ago was satisfactory. Getting to ritoky's post on disformation.... Only other person I need to take a hard look is Eversince. On November 17 2015 11:12 NocturneMage wrote: Null: Eversince - just couldn't get around to her today. disformation - there are legitimate town and mafia tells but I would use another day to work on him Fecalfeast - he didn't explain the reads early game, but he openly admitted he was lazy. seems intent on lynching scott and putting pressure on Moosy to play the game which is towny though. My gut says town, but I could be wrong. On November 18 2015 23:47 NocturneMage wrote: Just looking at filters I think best cop checks might be VE, Eversince, Fecalfeast. If we have vig shoot Farah. Also Fecalfeast I don't think doc/vet is even possible given the OP. I need to afk for a few hours. ^ bolded for potential suggesting cop check on GF On November 19 2015 09:58 NocturneMage wrote: Farah, I'm going to say this. when you are getting tunnelled or scumread or whatever you want to call it, I was advised you find scum. If you honestly felt there was a valid point to figuring out what Fecalfeast's role was - and he claimed he wasn't vig - you would have moved forward by saying "alright, Fecalfeast isn't vig, he could be scum because of X," or "if fecalfast is town and if some person Y is vig" then I'm down to this method, etc. even in your world you aren't moving town forward also post 1129, Trfel is using the word malicious as in mafia agenda. Not that you were insulting, but your play is mafia play. now I have time to sit down, I will look into eversince, and do the best I can here. at least before 2am. On November 19 2015 10:11 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2015 09:48 disformation wrote: Currently my official read on her is: wtf bananaboat. Which is like 3rd party, but slightly tastier and floating on water. Or rather uncced vet with plays that make no sense for either town nor scum. But I might look at it again, if I am able to figure out what the correct bait for a wtf bananaboat is. as glowingbear told me in my newbie 13 game, scum play to survive. even if we go through a cycle, say we fuck up again and mislynch, night phase passes and she's not taken out, if she gets one mislynch out of that, she's gotten her team closer to victory. 2 mislynches left in that scenario. alright now eversince. On November 19 2015 10:31 NocturneMage wrote: also disformation.... from newbie 13, I was caught out as mafia on voting analysis. I am decently sure the way moosy's been playing he is probably town now. If that's the case, when both wagons are town, there's a decent shot to look at people who didn't give a shit about the lynch or who got lynched or for players that can hide it well, who had a "fake" reaction to try and get one player lynched over another or a bad reason given read progression. now farah's been cited for this, but who else would this apply? there were some isolated voters obviously and those people will always come into question but two of these are known town now. and eversince, who knows. On November 19 2015 11:02 NocturneMage wrote: Rest of filter is a bit hyperfocusing on Shining. Just overall meh from that point. I'd give an overall scumlean, but very well could be wrong here. back to work. On November 19 2015 23:19 NocturneMage wrote: I think if I had to lynch anyone and avoid the policy lynch (which it basically what it is) on Eversince, I would go for Breshke. Compared to Trfel, he seems less towny although I couldn't initially grasp from ritoky as for why he'd lynch Trfel over Breshke aside from him wanting to lynch Farah whose claim was scummy when it was made. I could understand Fecalfeast's vote on him for that reason although I mentioned that Breshke, the same thing mostly applies except the claim analysis. geript tried to get Breshke lynched d1 and now that we know geript is town and considering his type of read and my initial reservation on Breshke (talking around geript/VE), and geripts history of 30 games, I'm going to assume the meta read is more or less accurate or at the very least we know it was an honest thought from him. not to mention scum really fall off late game, and Breshke's last post irrespective of timezone was.... ....16 hours ago.... I'm looking at Breshke's posts from 1009 and onwards. He's saying disformation and farah are both scum. But they are both scumreading each other. Learnt the hard way from newbie 14 that there was some double bussing going on. there's no explaiantion from Breshke as to why he thinks they are on after each other and disformation has since been a bit more towny. If Farah's claim was true, and without a counterclaim, we have to proceed as if it is true, it was a poor decision, but at least Damdred has a strategy/conditions for when/if/how the vig should claim. I understand it. and this go? Breshke's pushes are a LOT weaker than round 1. he's not as invested in either of them. I think what trfel said is valid, let the moderators deal with Eversince and lynch Breshke unless there is a mechanical reason we have to deal with her now. (do we know if mods modkill or replace or does that even matter? no idea how that shit works.) is that enough deflection and promised analysis of eversince w/o really delivering anything on it for you? cuz there's more where it came from. very VERY clearly a possible world of 2. | ||
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On November 22 2015 13:59 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2015 13:49 ritoky wrote: yeah trfel + onegu also a potential world, but w/ 3 lynches if the only 3 worlds are: onegu + NM trfel + disfo trfel + onegu then we can cover all possibilities by lynching onegu or trfel today. The premise being that if trfel is scum we lynch disfo+onegu and win and if trfel is town we lynch onegu + NM and win? Hmmmmmmmm basically, works for onegu too. if onegu is scum we lynch trfel + NM and win, if he is town we lynch trfel + disfo and win. | ||
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On November 22 2015 14:06 Fecalfeast wrote: That's weird. Really interesting actually, ritoky. You say he could be suggesting a cop check on the GF. I believe scum is told the setup ahead of time, aren't they? yeah, actually; so he would know it was pointless and free cred....interesting, i wonder who else suggested cop checks this game. i know i did once. | ||
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Outside of that I sacrificed too much to save breshke day 1 and his return gift was to quit (we didn't get a sub for him being afk 72 hours tho); which basically ruined a lot of my longevity in the game. And we had established a play where mafia survives day 2 and trfel cc's farah as doctor start of d3 for the win; setting up for that only to have it ruined by a bullshit sub pretty much ruined trfels chances of living long. I really can't comprehend the decisions by the mod this game, and I am never one to blame modding. For anyone that ever hosts a game in the future; if you accept "I don't want to play" as a justifiable reason for substitution then I will flame you in game to the point where you need to modkill me and I won't give a damn while doing it because you fully deserve it. | ||
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On November 24 2015 06:59 Half the Sky wrote: Also serious respect to ritoky for mentoring his teammates. Honestly some solid advice given. Would really like to be on a scumteam with you someday, I see you work really well and play really well with anyone you're assigned with win or lose. To those of you in the US btw, safe and happy Thanksgiving travels. Eversince and Onegu, as was said by others, please take care of yourselves and get better soon, and Shining, sorry about your dog. I play nice unless you start calling your teammates names in the QT or intentionally tanking the game, then I don't play nice. | ||
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On October 21 2015 18:06 Tictock wrote: Activity: You must make at least Five posts in this thread per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. Roughly speaking, this equates to a bare minimum of one post per 10 hours. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled or replaced. Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game. They were clearly in the OP and not followed how the OP stated they would be. Hence why I got very upset in the QT. | ||
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On November 24 2015 07:11 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 06:55 ritoky wrote: Oh, apparently the game ended. Couldn't care less. This is the first and only game on these forums where I will believe the game was entirely lost due to the mod. So much so that I wish this game was stricken from all stats. "I don't want to play" is never an acceptable substitution reasoning; nor is "I do not have enough time". There is a precedent on these forums for never accepting that as a reason for sub. The player should have been told no or had the slot modkilled. It was further punishing because the mafia team had centered a winning strategy around counterclaiming the person who was then subbed. Further the Eversince sub is also bullshit. If that sub was going to happen it should have occurred long before the person had broken 3 rules and been gone for 4 days. The decisions on substitutions were an absolute joke and it took every fiber of my being to not ask to be subbed out of the game after the farah replacement since it was clearly a perfectly fine thing to do. Outside of that I sacrificed too much to save breshke day 1 and his return gift was to quit (we didn't get a sub for him being afk 72 hours tho); which basically ruined a lot of my longevity in the game. And we had established a play where mafia survives day 2 and trfel cc's farah as doctor start of d3 for the win; setting up for that only to have it ruined by a bullshit sub pretty much ruined trfels chances of living long. I really can't comprehend the decisions by the mod this game, and I am never one to blame modding. For anyone that ever hosts a game in the future; if you accept "I don't want to play" as a justifiable reason for substitution then I will flame you in game to the point where you need to modkill me and I won't give a damn while doing it because you fully deserve it. I respect that you feel I ruined the game for you, as in many ways my decision to replace Farah was a game changer. I'd like to point out, however, that had I said No and Farah simply stopped posting, or I modkilled her, both would have been just as devastating to town as what actually occurred was to your team. It's pretty shitty that one decision from the host can impact the game as dramatically as this decision did. I take it you would prefer simply not using replacements? I don't agree with what you are saying about Ever's replace. Only rule that was broken in my eyes was not voting, she fulfilled D1 activity requirements and was replaced before the end of D2. There was also a very clear extenuating circumstance in this case, one that I knew about and should have reacted too sooner but that none the less existed. I would prefer you follow the rules set forth in the OP in accordance with how you said you would and precedent on these forums. It doesn't matter that "I don't want to play" is devestating for alignment x or alignment y. It is unacceptable in all cases as grounds for substitution regardless of consequence. If the person consequently stops playing they should be modkilled and not replaced because it is clear they also have now broken the "play to your win condition" rule as well and...well if you don't understand I guess we just have a fundamental disagreement and there basically exists no legitimate situation where you would modkill anyone which is not a good place to be. About ever, the moment ever failed to vote, she also broke the activity rule; which stated direct modkill no sub considered. Either edit your OP or follow your own rules or see it coming after being gone 72 hours and push for the sub with 24 hours left in day 2. If the player hasn't come back in 72 hours they aren't coming back. That was a strange situation though. | ||
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On November 24 2015 07:14 Damdred wrote: Well I was traveling I'm glad we won. A few thoughts Evers slot probably should of been modkilled instead of replaced. Anything past early d2 is to long a time to allow fresh insite into the game. My replacement is not as badly done as some people make it seem. It sucked for scum me coming into a vet slot, however what's the difference between pushing me and pushing Farah? The difference is a mind set thing rather than an actual game play. Besides that people have been subbed put for reasons of not wanting to play and time constraints which Farah had as she had 4 horridshifts the next day Anyway good game town. And scum played well d1 and somewhat d2. I mean no disrespect to your wife, but her sub was an absolute and utter mod error. | ||
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On November 24 2015 07:23 Damdred wrote: I dont agree with that tbh, the game changed only because of the way people view me. For example moosey was super tunneled on my slot then instantly stops because its me. If the scum team had tried could of went after me I had plenty of people suspicious. The game changed because of peoples views and breshke not trying. And my read on you slightly. I just cannot disagree more. Not about the in-game stuff, you're probably right trfel backed out of his play out of fear + breshke quitting was probably worse than just staying the course even if it was going to be harder. But in regards to the sub "i am busy" and "i don't want to play" are unacceptable grounds for substitution. You know this. It should never have been accepted. | ||
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On November 24 2015 07:30 Fecalfeast wrote: Nah you had me hook line and sinker I wouldn't have voted you there if I was awake rit you were my plan for mylo whether i regretted it or not; since disfo decided randomly half way through the game he not longer wanted to be in my pocket. | ||
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On November 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 07:34 ritoky wrote: On November 24 2015 07:30 Fecalfeast wrote: Nah you had me hook line and sinker I wouldn't have voted you there if I was awake rit you were my plan for mylo whether i regretted it or not; since disfo decided randomly half way through the game he not longer wanted to be in my pocket. you also wanted to save me for mylo from your posts which is why I was heavily suspicious of you. honest question, was that setup argument you were making straight up BS or is it something you would have pushed as town? that shit is honestly over my head. and from your posts you wanted to push me over disformation. it was true and i probably would have pushed it but not so heavily as town. basically how it works is this: mafia notified of roles at beginning of game -> mafia knows town has 0 investigative power. this means if you can place yourself in a situation where you are so firmly embedded in town via play, that it is impossible to discover you. therefore bussing is optimal. if you lead a lynch on your partner and are very clearly the most vocal, making the arguments, and the originator of content; then the likelihood that anyone scumreads you outside of tinfoil late game is extremely low. how town usually resolves this problem is through investigations or proper tinfoil when strange people start dying; the game had 1/2 of the solution missing from town, which makes it an optimal line of play. the problem was, and the reason i didn't pursue it was because the lynch was going on breshke and not trfel who had the only relevant role in our team(in hindsight actively lynching my own RB might have been even more cred...but geript would have gotten most of it). i don't know if this is a better explanation for you. to try and simplify it more: as mafia if you actively (not just along for the ride) kill your partners you get town reads cuz you killed mafia, the way you get caught from that position is having a meta of bussing (me), invesitgations (none in this game), or nk analysis/tinfoil (can be easily disuaded). when much of that is inherently missing from the setup bussing becomes an even more powerful tool to hide in the town. so the argument was hard defending is worse than bussing based on setup, therefore hard defending probably means not teammates. | ||
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busser - the primary workhorse of your team, needs to be TR early, plans to bus teammate on day 2, will do day 1 if necessary bussee - person who is least favorably viewed, entire job is to survive to day 2 and get steamrolled by teammate; should try not to get vigi shot and not be an essential role. survivor - the failsafe, your job is to play the middle, side with the bus on your teammate, and basically be the support and backup win-con if busser gets caught; also may be forced into becoming bussee. kind of your flex player. for example one of the more clean wins using this method was me, damdred, and GB; GB was the bussee, damdred was the busser, and i was the survivor/flex. of course every game is different and adaptations are needed, you also have to pick your roles based on how the first 24 hours of the game goes and what perceptions are made unless you wanna force it. but generally speaking in m13 if everyone understands and commits to this method and playing as a team you're gonna get to mylo probably 8 or 9 out of 10 times and then you just need to outplay or have enough cred to win from there. | ||
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On November 24 2015 08:28 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 08:22 ritoky wrote: imo from a mafia strategy perspective on a setup that is m13 vigi + doc/vet vs rb; the ideal line of play is to set up your mafia as follows: busser - the primary workhorse of your team, needs to be TR early, plans to bus teammate on day 2, will do day 1 if necessary bussee - person who is least favorably viewed, entire job is to survive to day 2 and get steamrolled by teammate; should try not to get vigi shot and not be an essential role. survivor - the failsafe, your job is to play the middle, side with the bus on your teammate, and basically be the support and backup win-con if busser gets caught; also may be forced into becoming bussee. kind of your flex player. for example one of the more clean wins using this method was me, damdred, and GB; GB was the bussee, damdred was the busser, and i was the survivor/flex. of course every game is different and adaptations are needed, you also have to pick your roles based on how the first 24 hours of the game goes and what perceptions are made unless you wanna force it. but generally speaking in m13 if everyone understands and commits to this method and playing as a team you're gonna get to mylo probably 8 or 9 out of 10 times and then you just need to outplay or have enough cred to win from there. Hm. Good to know. Will save that somewhere and try to remember it, should I ever manage to roll town. TBH I so far I have put like 0 thought into long term planing and stuff, so that could screw me over, if I ever mange to roll scum. Generally speaking from a scum coaching perspective; the #1 issue that comes about and ruins scum teams is that they think mafia is an individual game. It appears that way at times, but ultimately it is a team game; and as a team you want to communicate and construct a plan that places at least 1 of your players in the best position to win the game possible. If everyone tries to play in an individualistic and self-preservationist manner you tend to end up with a clusterfuck and no strong win condition. Whereas if teammates sacrifice themselves in the proper way to strengthen a teammate's win condition you can win with a higher rate imo. All you need is 1 alive with a great backstory to win lylo/mylo for your team, so it is better to construct that narrative than to just do your own thing. Many would disagree with me though I am sure. | ||
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On November 24 2015 15:32 geript wrote: A few things: 1. Re: hosting. Learning how to host is tough. Whatever you do is always wrong 99% of the time. The big thing is to learn and move forward. IDK what I would've done with Farah; I know I wouldn't have replaced Damdred into the game for another player. That said, subbing in Damdred for Farah was pretty game changing because scum had thread control somehow IDK how exactly; I don't think the sub there changed scum's ability to win, I just don't think scum adjusted well to it. Eversince should've been modkilled for sure though between inactivity and failure to vote etc. 2. Re: Trfel. As scum, you have this tendency to write shitty cases. You focus on things which are completely NAI but sound good. You push people for stupid shitty reasons. Stop. You're able to "sound good" and be convincing but I don't think any experienced player would've followed any of your pushes because they were really bad. TBH, the newer players should've picked up on this more as well. 3. Re: Breshke. You got caught on meta. Sorry bud. Even still, you need to try and put forth effort as scum. I think the major reason why people moved to default to lynch you D2 was the variety of odd things AND you were slowing in activity. Your team needs you. 4. Re: Ritoky. I think I would've caught you if I would've stayed alive longer. The no sheeping thing really was exceptionally odd; like really, really odd especially as you didn't have a hard town read on him. I was just focused on your partners more and hoped they'd figure it out on D3 when you were still alive. 5. Re: Scum as a whole. The D1 strategy was ok from what I saw: basically townread your partners when it's semi-reasonable to and push inactives. The big thing that you didn't do is set up reasonable future lynches well at all. The vig shot on VE kinda hurt you, but you guys didn't seem to have a general idea of where to go after the Scott lynch. I think it would've been more reasonable to push between Ever/Scott D1 and get Ever lynched. Since he's a coinflip regardless, you can likely then push onto scott D2. That way you get to keep crazytown Moosy helping you and you can each have 2-3 reasonable targets to push scum onto while potentially including a partner. You didn't read the scum QT then I don't think geript. The plan from day 2 on was: trfel stays anti-farrah -> do EVERYTHING to avoid a lynch day 2 -> open of day 3 trfel claims doctor against farrah -> if accepted universally we win, if not both breshke and I insta-bus trfel and that should win it for 1 of us in mylo. It fell apart due to a sub making trfel feel he couldn't win in claim wars vs damdred and breshke quitting. We had a very clear plan to victory at multiple points, subs and afk breshke ruined a lot of them unfortunately. | ||
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On November 24 2015 13:34 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2015 07:19 ritoky wrote: About ever, the moment ever failed to vote, she also broke the activity rule; which stated direct modkill no sub considered. Either edit your OP or follow your own rules or see it coming after being gone 72 hours and push for the sub with 24 hours left in day 2. If the player hasn't come back in 72 hours they aren't coming back. That was a strange situation though. I have never seen a host modkill someone for forgetting to vote, especially not in a newbie game. The rules state that voting is mandatory, not that failing to do so will result in a modkill. My own standard, and what I have seen other Hosts do in newbies, is issue warnings to players who forgot to vote. The 2nd offense is generally when I have seen replacements/modkills become an option. Since it was apparent that Ever was no longer playing and I was already looking for a replacement I did not bother to issue a warning on the matter. I do agree that I did not react to the situation soon enough as it would have been very possible to have replaced her after the lynch or even early D2. It is definitely my fault for not being proactive regarding the situation when it was clearly a possibility from D1. Perhaps the rules could have been clearer. Obviously I just copy-pasted an OP and only edited it slightly for my needs. Next time I will make sure to update the OP to properly reflect my own standards used regarding these situations. I have seen players modkilled for no-post + no-vote beyond day 2 before; most people prefer not to. TBH the ever thing was such a bizarre situation that it is w/e. I would have handled it x way, the next person would have handled it y. Something probably should have been done sooner, particularly when I was talking to you about it in the scum QT; but ultimately that situation probably never happens again. The real error is on the farah sub you can't ask out of a game just cuz. I made enough of a stink already, but it was an error that had massive influence on the game ultimately; so I think it warrants it. We all learn I guess? Idk | ||
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The claim plan was set up very well by me and trfel. Trfel was advocating a lynch into an uncc'd blue and yelling at peole; it was a solid softing of doctor to be reaped the next day. He got dissuaded out of it and ended up just looking dumb because he didn't feel confident in sub wars; plus there was no way to avoid lynching breshke since he essentially quit. Saving breshke day 1 was probably the biggest error the mafia team as a whole made imo in hindsight. We did a lot of dumb things to keep him alive, expecting him to play some and try to consequently keep himself alive and he just didn't. Had I known he was going to not play I would have advocated simply burying him for credit (which I almost did). | ||
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