|
hi, everyone. Doing some chores so semi-around. Some quick thoughts:
NocturneMage's Entry: I agree that it feels a bit off that the first post sounds like he is pretty sure HtS is scum and in the last one he talks to her from both perspectives. But I played with both town!NM and scum!NM and his play is like day and night depending on alignment. You can check out NSM13 and NSM 17 to verify. So I feel he will be pretty easy to read, when he plays D2.
FecalFeast At first I was a bit worried because he was super lazy in NSM17 as town (until EoD2), but then he mentioned not being here because Fallout 4, so that code checks out.
DYH I 100% agree with Rels case.
HtS From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel. So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great.
|
On December 04 2015 00:15 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 00:08 disformation wrote: HtS From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel. So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great. That's true. But I felt that her tryhardness + defense of LS at EOD was super townie. It made me think of a comment NM made in the obs QT of resistance: "HTS is obvious town 'cause she's stuck in a airport on a phone, and she's still trying to come up with the best team instead of being super passive." HTS being there at deadline and checking LS' meta despite her being sick made me think of that.
Yeah, she was generally posting quite a lot EoD, if I remember correctly. Will probably try and wade through the whole EoD mess later. TBH I totally missed the votes piling up on kush, cause I was checking DYH at that moment. I just vaguely remember someone suggesting a switch to kush with a one liner post. xD So for HtS I am currently kinda unsure if the lacking areas are scum indicative or because she is sick. So probably going to re-read her as well... and as I mentioned I hope she comes back with some follow ups, since that might be a great help in figuring her alignment out.
|
So chores done. Feel a bit lightheaded/groogy now. -.- Will still try to look at HtS, the EoD mess and I only skimmed Rels case on Palmar so far.
|
Hm... I have to agree with Rels that Palmar fell of the 2nd half of D1 and his disappearance shortly before the lynch is strange. Was pretty sure he is town first half of D1 though and I still get a town vibe from him.
@Palmar: Do you have any scum reads currently? Briefly looked at your filter and your last scum reads I found were:
On December 03 2015 07:04 Palmar wrote: clearly Fidei/Trfel/LS scumteam
game solved? Still thinking in that direction?
|
On December 04 2015 03:42 Trfel wrote: Oh, I forgot to address Damdred's argument that MoosyDoosy enjoys playing in the game if Damdred is in the game.
MoosyDoosy says pre-game that he may not play Day 1 even though Damdred is in the game. MoosyDoosy also shows that he's upset when he rolls town. If MoosyDoosy is town, he wouldn't lie about being upset to roll town. Then he is never upset ever again in the game, which contradicts the earlier portion, regardless of Damdred's presence and its affect on his town play. Furthermore, MoosyDoosy doesn't actually play at all on Day 1. It's assumed that MoosyDoosy would be happy playing on Day 1 with Damdred, or not happy and not playing. These are the two town options. Happy and not playing is not an option.
Like, that's a poorly worded explanation. If you have any questions, let me know.
Dude, chill. The case is long and hard (to read). Am also a bit lightheaded.
@Part1: You remember that MoosyDoosy actually did post a few town looking posts D1 in NSM17? Which made it a lot easier for geript to read MoosyDoosy. But I don't think he was the only one to realize that, I remember more ppl were getting unsure/dropping the vote after that. geript was a total baller and had incredible reads that game though. So yeah, MoosyDoosy is readable, but it depends a bit on what he actually does. This game I don't remember any posts from him that aren't "lol wtf banana boat, I am a coinflip, yo". @Part2: I can agree to this. @Part3: Okay, Ver's reads sound pretty good... but I am not sure what you want to say with this? Can you summarize the important points and apply them to MoosyDoosy/NM? @Part4: Well, that is Part2 with the relevant quotes added. No wait there is a bit more stuff added. Well, yeah these posts aren't the epitome of town and could easily come from scum. Still feel coinflippy about that though. But yeah the town suggests he is having great fun. Ah yes his comment on me is pretty strange. In NSM17 he was pushing me kinda hard and decided I was even more scummy for defending myself (we were both town). So no idea what he was trying to say... @Part5: This one is interesting. I might have to check those games myself, if I get some time. @Part6: Yes, NocturneMages entry had some odd stuff on it. Actually upon rereading I agree with your post here: + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 12:25 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 10:57 NocturneMage wrote: yo, at work, on mobile, finishing work late tonight, need to go to bed right after though and I have seminars all damn day tomorrow.
I've not read dick all or followed the game for d1 quite yet, but I'm VT and I'm ready to fuck up some dirty dirty scummers.
reading from end of cycle, I'm pretty suspicious of trfel again (I say again because he was scum the last game) but that's mainly because of how he played last game. of course he'd push moosydoosy, he's unreadable as fuck as either alignment. same desperation emotions when no one is listening to him. unless he does this as town. cool story bro, try harder because I'm not scum. This post is extremely scummy. Makes me more convinced that I'm right. NocturneMage didn't acknowledge any of the differences between my play this game and last game, which is drastic in the way that I pushed my reads and the method of the reads themselves. NocturneMage also scumreads me for pushing MoosyDoosy, and I have no clue why that's suspicious to him when he just saw me push the strongest players in the game as mafia last game, so he knows that I don't resort to "easy targets" as mafia... The extremely dismissive tone without having read the thread is very uncharacteristic. Last game as town, NocturneMage was very reasonable and methodical, and people said that he was much more aggressive tonally as mafia. The tone used here would perhaps be justified if he had actually read the thread or had actual reasons. I thought of some new ways to try to explain/evaluate my MoosyDoosy read, I'll give that a try after I catch up with some stuff.
Have you looked at NocturneMage's scum game in NSM13? Scum lean? Sure, but the 99% is a bit excessive imo. I think the slot is more likely to be scum now, but I am not sure I agree on the 99% slamdunk mafia. MD still feels a bit coinflippy and while the NM posts don't match his town game in NSM17 they don't fit the scum game in NSM13 either... on the other hand his game wasn't really strong NSM13... maybe I should look at NSM13 again, too. But I am still quite confident that NM will be a lot easier to read D2.
|
On December 04 2015 05:08 Damdred wrote: I haven't read any of the game since I went to bed, I'm universally town read ya? Then I'll catch up after night post unless I'm scum read I guess.
I think 1-2 ppl were suspicious of you. Rels and Trfel I think. Also not sure what you are trying to say with the "unless I am scum read" part. =/
|
On December 04 2015 05:17 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 05:08 Damdred wrote: I haven't read any of the game since I went to bed, I'm universally town read ya? Then I'll catch up after night post unless I'm scum read I guess. I think 1-2 ppl were suspicious of you. Rels and Trfel I think. Also not sure what you are trying to say with the "unless I am scum read" part. =/
Or to clarify what I am not getting: are you implying not playing if you are scum read? Oo Also: Ninja-Trfel
|
On December 04 2015 05:27 Trfel wrote: @disformation (not going to quote it because that was a long post:
I disagree with the readability of someone depending on what they actually do. I feel that as long as someone gets to like a page and a half or two pages of posts, you have enough information to get a fair shot at reading them. It doesn't matter what those posts are. Even if it's just a single period in every single post, I think it's reasonable to analyze the timing and frequency of those posts to figure out the alignment. Unless they're actually paying no attention to the game at all. Even scrolling down to the posting box would make them a bit more readable.
But anyway, since you probably won't agree with my example, it's not always about what someone does. It's about what someone doesn't do. In this case, MoosyDoosy wasn't under suspicion and he did zero scumhunting. Judging by the three MoosyDoosy games I looked at (I asked for MoosyDoosy's worst town game and that was one of the games I analyzed), MoosyDoosy always does some useful things as town. It's the lack of those posts that is important, you don't need those posts to read him.
Also, you're assuming that I can't have good reads too. Which isn't a very smart assumption, you should look at my play before you discount that possibility.
Part 4 is a direct application of the same read methods that were used in Part 3. Part 3 says nothing about MoosyDoosy, it's basically a guide to scumhunting. Part 4 uses that guide. Just like Bill Murray's play came from two mindsets (nuking people was not caring/insane, then tried to solve the game seriously) and that made him mafia, MoosyDoosy's play came from two mindsets (angry to be town, then happily posting away) and that makes him mafia.
Not showing any desire to solve the game is not a direct application of the method outlined in Part 3, however I think that the reasons why this almost always comes from scum are obvious. Part 5 actually says nothing by itself about MoosyDoosy in this game, it just shows that one potential flaw with the second part of Part 4 is not correct.
Both of these two arguments individually are extremely strong. It's when you put them together, use the meta to show that it's correct, and then look at NocturneMage's play that you have a bunch of different reasons all pointing to the same thing that you really know it's right.
Hm, maybe it is my problem with looking at trees too much again. xD Also was not trying to say that you can't have good reads, I was trying to say that is was easier for geript to have a good read on MoosyDoosy, cause MoosyDoosy had done a bit more the game both were in.
Since I like looking at trees, I have a preference for people to plant a lot of them. But maybe looking at what trees they don't plant is a great idea. And yeah MoosyDoosy didn't plant anything this game.
I also understand your case a lot better now, probably looked at the parts in a too separate manner.
|
Damdred, if you are still around, what is your current read on Trfel?
|
On December 04 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote: None of that makes me scrum, which is sorta funny but oh well.
I need lot a more from you nm usually we are great town bros
On December 04 2015 06:52 disformation wrote: Damdred, if you are still around, what is your current read on Trfel?
?
|
On December 04 2015 07:22 Damdred wrote: I think it's town that's just wrong,..
Kay, thought so. Just checking since your last mention of him was a while ago.
Started to wade through the mess of yesterdays EoD, but the progress is rather slow. Feels more like a swamp than a forest so far.
|
On December 04 2015 08:12 NocturneMage wrote: ##vote Half the Sky
I am also pretty sure Fidei is mafia because he is playing nothing like his previous games, but I am so confident in Dani being mafia I am willing to get mislynched to prove my point. This is part meta, part (anti-)personality, part voting analysis (her end of cycle behaviour was really bad), and part psychological (motive-based). I'll try and put together a case as best as I can though so that you can understand it.
Yeah, a more detailed explanation of that would be great. Also, GG Damdy.
|
On December 04 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote: no no disform, he entered the game saying he was going to scumread hts before he even read the game. He doesn't need any more explanation than that
Yeah. Not entirely trusting NM at the moment. But I also am kinda null of HtS (as explained at night).
At the very least I think the case can help us figure out NM, so I want to see what he got.
Also HtS has not posted a single thing the nightphase, right?
|
On December 04 2015 08:51 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote:On December 04 2015 08:35 The Shining wrote:On December 04 2015 08:20 Trfel wrote:On December 04 2015 08:08 Trfel wrote: Hrm.
My initial reaction is that this means that less active players / "under the radar" players are mafia.
DoYouHas The Shining disformation Fecalfeast NocturneMage is right, Fidei86 should be added to this list. I really don't know about Half the Sky. It's very hard for me to separate the play from the cold/sickness/whatever. I'll definitely take another look, though. Tempted to lynch one of Half the Sky/NocturneMage and then the other if they flip town, but that seems bad; the scum should be able to be found without having to do that. I'm going to assume for now that NocturneMage is good enough as town that he wouldn't get this wrong, for simplicity's sake, but I'll re-evaluate this assumption when he makes his case. But you think NM/MD slot is scum...NM called your case bad and you had no response to it except to list NM as scum once more, in what would've been your legacy post had you been shot. You left a super wifomy post laying around since you weren't NKd. The fact only Damdred died makes me think there is no Vig but you expected to be Vig shot. Now you're "tempted" to lynch one of HtS and NM. And your had a list of 4 including me when all of those were your town reads/leans. What about the Damdred NK makes your NM read null enough to change your entire tone and scumreads? Was waiting for someone to ask that. Was hoping that no one asked that I'm town. I'm the most vocal person in the thread (by number of posts, not thread influence). My second strongest scum read is Damdred, who mafia knows is town, and I've been suspicious of him throughout the game. Mafia ought to know that I'm not going to reverse my read on Damdred. So why does mafia shoot Damdred? (first of all, I know that Damdred is a great player, please don't misunderstand; but being a great player doesn't really help you when there's some bull-headed moron who is going to get you lynched or stop town from progressing at all while trying to do so) I looked through Damdred's filter, and I didn't see any scum reads. I checked for scum reads on DoYouHas and Half the Sky, two players who I thought might be particularly inclined to shoot Damdred if they were scum; he basically didn't mention them at all. Thus, the only really noteworthy read in Damdred's filter is his not wanting to lynch NocturneMage (not exactly sure if it was a townread or a not wanting to lynch read, but it's the same for this purpose). If NocturneMage is mafia, there's no way he shoots Damdred here. And the night kill for WIFOM reasons is bad because mafia would have been in an extremely good position with me scumreading Damdred. To be honest, the night kill suggests to me that mafia messed up. Not Damdred's fault at all, my fault, but I really don't think that mafia should kill Damdred. I would be first think of being suspicious of Palmar and Rels, two players who I might have considered for the night kill above Damdred, but I think they would just let me mislynch Damdred or lose the game for town by trying. Perhaps Palmar is an exception, since I don't think he was here when I pushed my case on Damdred, but still, Damdred was strongly townreading Palmar. That's why my tentative conclusion is that mafia is more likely to be in the less active group that I mentioned. The Shining is included in that group partially because Damdred has an extremely good read on The Shining, and so despite Damdred townreading The Shining for now, I can see The Shining as mafia wanting to get rid of Damdred. But the biggest reason for the night kill is probably that Damdred didn't think that NocturneMage is mafia. Which is extremely strong. That combined with me being wrong on Damdred (partially association, partially doubting my read accuracy) makes me think that it's more likely that NocturneMage is town. Your last scum game, you scummed, cased and shot Geript N1. This game you scummed, cased Damdred N1 and now he's NKd. This is such am obvious similarity that I'm almost inclined to think it's too bad to be scummy but this explanation is a bit long and contradictory, too. The NM not wanting to shoot Damdred logic is flawed. Especially if he had him as a townread, I'll have to go back to that. I personally as scum have shot Damdred before after he townread me to keep that read immortal, and I know others have NKd people that were TRing them before they had time to revisit that read. You also think that Damdred has an extremely good read on me, and towned me, so I'd kill him for it? This is a contradiction because you say its exactly why NM WOULDNT kill him for it. Are you saying I'm scum and scared he'd flip his read on me so I shot him before he could? Then why does that same situation make me scum but makes NM town?
He also posted a lot of "why is nobody talking/listening to my reads" in that game...
On December 04 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote: I don't understand.
This is basically a 99.9% scumread with extremely few possible holes, if any.
I've explained it in basically as much detail as possible and explained why all of the counterarguments are wrong.
Why does no one care?!?! So that, too, sounds kinda familiar...
|
On December 04 2015 09:26 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 09:24 Fecalfeast wrote: Can someone give me a key for all the IRL names people are using?
dani = hts alex = ? Dani HtS Alex NM Fidei James I think that's right
Dani called me Fabian in one of her posts, too. :p
|
Vote Count D1
Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu
So. I would assume that at least 1 mafia is on the Kushm4sta train.
Let us look at the read progression on kush..
Fidei86
- "I don't know kush very well."
+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 09:01 Fidei86 wrote: Evening all. Usual plea for everyone to avoid spam if possible - if few meaningful posts was good enough for Foolishness in that game he played in the guide, it's good enough for us. Also I know at least me and Dani work quite intense jobs, so it's very hard to keep up if there's 10 new pages every time I come back.
So that people know, the people in the game I know best are Half the Sky and Rels. I've been town with both, supervised both when I GMed and was Mafia with Rels once. I also have played with a lot of the rest of you before, including Moosy, Lightning Strike, Onegu and Damdred. I don't know DYH, trfel, dis, Kush or Palmar very well.
Early on, I'd say the easiest scum read is Shining. He posted asking why he was here, then about trumpets, then he went quiet. It's early, so it's lean.
DYH's question of Rels seems towny, although I also think Rels' entrance was kind of towny, albeit wrongheaded. When he's Mafia Rels buddies up with everyone he likes and relentlessly fights with anyone who calls him out. I wouldn't expect a Mafia Rels to jump in and start picking fights so early, even about blues.
Everyone else is null.
I'm on GMT so it's way past my bed-time. Night all.
- Calls a post by kush "worst post ever"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 03:25 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:45 kushm4sta wrote: Yes I use my own experience as scum to predict how other people will act as scum. But actually I was accusing him of a standard scumtell, over defense.
Don't put too much stock in what I say, because I don't have any sort of handle on this game so far. I am looking forward to playing in a few days after the herd has been thinned.
My vote stays on Rels for now. Probably he isn't scum but maybe he is and on my phone it takes a lot of effort to change my vote. Okay this is probably the worst thing I've ever read from someone on this site ever. You want to lynch someone who you don't think is scum because you can't be bothered to change your vote???
- Throws kush into the "useless" pile
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 04:08 Fidei86 wrote: Town Shining - He was winning townie plaudits for his fight with Palmar, but rather than carry it on (and continuing to crap up the thread) he stopped (or at least tried to) and gave a good read post at #229. I like his read on dis, which I agree with. He asks Kush and Moosy to do more, at a stage where the better Mafia play would have been to ignore them and let town coalesce towards a "lynch all idiots" lynch. (Disclaimer: I previously called him out for not stopping the fight, but a re-read of his filter shows he was trying to stop it but Palmar wouldn't let it go.)
Trfel - Rels is right, for someone with over 3k posts Trfel sure apologises a lot. He seems to have some sort of reason for his early LS read, which I don't really care about. I actually like is read on Rels "why is he just throwing shit everywhere." Maybe town side of null. His later posts show quite nuanced reasoning. Moved to town for now, otherwise mostly everyone would be null
Dis - he and Trfel are playing similarly in my view. Both reading the thread, giving thoughts relatively fearlessly. Nothing that particularly jumps out as scummy. Lean read.
Null Damdred - underwhelmed by his reads, which seem to mostly have been of Shining. Need to filter dive. No sense in lynching today.
Damdred - whole filter is super underwhelming. Says he has town reads, but then just gives me and Shining without and further explanation. Lacklustre but posts come off as condescending. Scum side of null but wouldn't lynch yet.
HTS - I am scared of a Mafia Dani, and that is probably colouring my read of her. One thing I'm not sure of is why she voted for DYH having just excoriated kush for his dumbass post about voting for Rels.
Palmar - his entire first act was fighting with Shining. He made his point, and I agreed with it. But he kept pushing and pushing beyond when it was reasonable. I also didn't like that he called my first post "fine" and "null" but at another point said I was a "tow read". Says he doesn't want to lynch into me, then later says I'd be an okay lynch? Huh? I had him in Mafia, but his last few reads on Damdred and
Rels - I'm all over the place on Rels. I've made the point that Mafia Rels tends to buddy harder than he is here. But in this game he seems to be talking in complete parallel to the thread, raising points others aren't but not engaging in the same sort of manner I would expect from a town Rels. But I actually really like his DYH read and vote.
Mafia
LS - his entry list was all nulls ("I need more time on Moosy" -- no shit!) and basic basic points that display no particular thought. #431 says the game is hard but hasn't really given a read on anyone? O
Useless Kush - he is going to have to do a lot to get back from "not changing my Rels vote even though he might be town because changing votes is hard" Moosy - only sensible post is pushing Shining on his read of me. When he'd explained it like 8 times and I'd only made one post. DYH - Lots of town-reads and afk promises. Hardly encouraging. Was not really a fan of his Trfel read. Onegu. It's O-word dude. Hands up if you're surprised.
- Shenanies happen, Fidei86 switches and further explains that he dislikes kush's progression on LS.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:56 Fidei86 wrote: Switch to kush On December 03 2015 07:58 Fidei86 wrote: I'll consolidate if needed but kush's progression on LS screams scum. He only gives reads on a few ppl, one of whom is LS, who he says is town. Then he switches when people start piling on.
LightningStrike
- "Wish kush would be doing stuff"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Back from class after some relaxation. Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 07:18 Rels wrote: LS: if you had to name a team of 3 mafias, who would that be and why ? Idk yet this game is getting a little hard. I wish that Onegu and Kush actually do stuff so I can flesh them out in terms of alignment. Otherwise after considering that he did his thing on me as a trap(if I reading this correctly) Tfrel moved to null for now but still it was kind of a weird thing to do for him. Idk why people having trouble with DYS? I see him more of a newbie player than a veteran player honestly so(shrugs). So nothing yet for a team.
- "VOTE KUSH"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:59 LightningStrike wrote: FUcCK IT MOVE OVER TO KUSH NOW GUYS
The Shining
- Dislikes how kush got onto the LS wagon
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:52 The Shining wrote: Yeah I don't really like the way kush and DYH got onto the LS wagon. And what disfo just said about everyone voting LS. It took off really quickly. Damdred hasn't come back either and LS is pretty much his wagon.
Ugh.
- Switches to kush
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:57 The Shining wrote: Fuck it. I'm down. Shenanny onto kush. Let's do it.
Rels
- kush = useless
+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 19:12 Rels wrote: Useful List of Useless People Onegu kushmasta DoYouHas
Do stuff or be lynched. On December 02 2015 01:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 01:27 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 18:50 Rels wrote:On December 01 2015 18:44 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 18:41 Rels wrote:On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote: I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time. 1 - this is sooooo non commital. 2 - we're right on the period Shining has no internet. So I have no idea what additionnal info you will have when he AFK for 24 hours. What part of the "not lynching The Shining" part did you miss? I thought I read "I kind of want to lynch The Shining" somewhere in that post. This part about Shining reads to me as "I'm OK lynching Shining but I'll need someone to convince me." Under normal circumstances, I'd be suspicious of The Shining here and would be maybe willing to lynch him Day 1. However, since The Shining probably won't be able to play much today, and wasn't 100% there yesterday, I think that giving him a Day 1 pass is probably best. Sorry that wasn't clear in my initial posts.
Is anyone else kind of suspicious of Rels? The way that he has been throwing suspicions at everyone feels like he's trying to keep his options open to lynch anyone he chooses. I don't recall him posting a single townread (which isn't that important), but the way he's been pressuring so many people without follow through or without a serious push seem so strange. The vote on DoYouHas feels extremely opportunistic, as well. I was really hoping that DoYouHas wouldn't be brought up for a while, I wanted to see what he did if he wasn't bothered. I remember checking the exact same thing that Rels mentioned earlier, and I'm not entirely on board, but I'll let DoYouHas speak for himself. Yep I'm suspicious of too many people. I would lynch Damdred or DYH right now; fidei is weird; HTS' post on LS makes a lot of sense. Onegu and kush are useless.
- switches
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:58 Rels wrote: OK I'll switch to kush
Half the Sky
- "Not sure I like this reaction from kush
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 00:17 Half the Sky wrote:James, right now, I'd say town given how he's broken down the case. On DYH, definitely odd how looking at timestamps, that progression. I looked at his filter quickly and he responds on things related to Palmar/Shining but didn't reconsider Trfel or at least that reaction in conjunction with something else, since I believe Trfel was up late in skimming. Unless there was reason not to, there was a lack of followup there. Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 11:40 kushm4sta wrote: Shining looking like a decent d1 lynch I guess. Reasoning is that if Palmer called me 100 percent scum I'd be like lol. Instead he doth protest too much, Not sure I like this reaction from kushmasta either. He makes an assumption that Shining would or should react the same way he does. It is why I asked Shining what his other reads were, and they looked reasonable at first glance last night. Also begs the question why he's still voting Rels or why he feels Rels initial push was worse than Shining's. I'm lying down for a few hours, any more questions, fire away.
- kush got TMI?
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 03:40 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:45 kushm4sta wrote: Yes I use my own experience as scum to predict how other people will act as scum. But actually I was accusing him of a standard scumtell, over defense.
Don't put too much stock in what I say, because I don't have any sort of handle on this game so far. I am looking forward to playing in a few days after the herd has been thinned.
My vote stays on Rels for now. Probably he isn't scum but maybe he is and on my phone it takes a lot of effort to change my vote. Phoneposting from my bed - aside from the obvious you two (Fabian and James) just hashed out, do you or anyone else think the bolded is TMI? As in, he is posting as such he knows he won't die.
- kush being on her lynch list
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote: I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads.
Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere.
Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case.
- switches votes
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 06:56 Half the Sky wrote: I'll switch votes as well.
LS can you comment more on why Trfel is null for you based on what you said or possibly his current gameplay now if he was someone you focused on?
Palmar
- kush useless baddy, good lynch
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 05:04 Palmar wrote: So I misread DYH and his post is not as atrocious as I thought it was while phonereading today.
Still bad, still a good default lynch.
I'm not actually putting a ton of effort into this game but I don't want to lynch into this list: Trfel, Fidei, HTS, disformation. Maybe Rels belongs there too. This is in no way a "these people are town" list, just a "I have seen something that makes me not want to lynch them right now".
Damdred is being a bit weird but I'm not gonna call him mafia yet.
Also, Kush and Onegu are useless baddies who will be useless throughout the game. Flipping a coin and lynching one of them is a good play
- "So wann lynch onegu or kush instead?"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 06:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:35 Damdred wrote:On December 03 2015 06:30 Palmar wrote:On December 03 2015 06:29 Damdred wrote: Sadly that's just how he and a lot of the newer players play now Palmar. Its really annoying and sadly moosey is actually a good player when he decides to play, something about keeping a clean scum meta.
I think hes worth a power role move perhaps at night but I wouldn't lynch him today.
What do you think of LS Palmar. I haven't read him. Also, we have Onegu to deal with, our vigi can't shoot two people. Thing that moosey will start playing n1-d2 in my experience Ok so wanna kill kush or onegu instead?
So. Nearly all ppl had multiple mentions of kush as useless and/or expressed some degree of willingness to lynch him before the EoD trouble. LightningStrike didn't, but him voting kush was for survival and pretty NAI. For Palmar it is in line with his desire to lynch inactive baddies.
Rels and The Shining have the least amount of previous mentions of kush before, but I don't see anything suggesting a scum mindset for the switch either... The kush thing also happend in a few minutes, so I am not sure if the order/timing of votes does have much impact either... Hope I can add some red colour to my next attempt at VCA as this one wasn't significant.
|
On December 04 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote: I replaced into one of these high effort games eh?
I don't think I can compete with Trfel.
This HtS thing is super confusing to me right now, so I was trying to find something in the EoD1. Like Trfel is sending mixed signal, NocturneMage replaced into a super shady looking slot with some shady looking entry posts and the guy I have a scum read on (DYH) hesitates not a second to vote with NM... though after rereading DYH's case on HtS it isn't bad... which brings me to the next point: If I ignore HtS's sickness, she doesn't good either.
Can't even hope that Damdred comes in, drops three one liners, and drops some of his logic...
Btw, do you have a read on DYH?
|
Ah actually, upon looking at DYH again... Let me bring up Rels case again. Cause it got kinda lost in the forest.
On December 03 2015 20:19 Rels wrote:DoYouHas is probably scum: a solid case1. Agreeing to a setup idea that is benefit to scum; without being the first to propose itTalking about this post: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: Firstly for the roles, nobody should talk about this besides an opinion going forward, if you are a named towny you should claim asap, it narrows down the pool that we lynch from and also gives us more to work with. however if you are the Vet do not claim unless absolutely necessary. If you are shot claim if you aren't shut the hell up. After you use your power claim straight away your findings if you are one shot obviously do not pussy foot away and give mafia the ability to cause town to second guess you. As such thank you for your time in reading this.
Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 08:32 DoYouHas wrote: I second the immediate claim by a boxer if we have one. boxer claiming is (was =X ) bad for town 50% of the time, so this post pushes a scum advantage. Furthermore, he's agreeing with Damdred on that, not taking responsability for the idea. 2. His Trfel's read makes no senseAlready explained here: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 22:22 Rels wrote:I don't like that progression from DoYouHas. On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote:On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote: Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while.
Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... Okay, what the heck. First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here. "Trfel you might be scum." 2 posts later: On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote: You are an idiot but you are most likely town.
If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not. Damdred: "Trfel is most likely town." 1 post later: On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel "Trfel you're crazy." So Trfel is considered town here. It doesn't add up. ##Vote DoYouHas 3. A total apathy towards the lynchHere are the two posts DYH made after coming back to EOD: Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:01 DoYouHas wrote: Catching up now.
I can't see any scum motivation behind Trfel's hard defending of me. It doesn't even look like positioning for my flip is even really a possibility here. I was going after him, voted him, thread sentiment is against me. I'm an easy EASY person for scum trfel to keep the heat on. That he ran the other direction when there is no reason to as mafia is major town points in my book. Unvoting. Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote: Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. DYH just didn't care about the lynch. The third post was only made after I tried to get people to vote him. Furthermore, disfo bought a really good point about sheeping his "townreads": Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 08:15 disformation wrote:On December 03 2015 08:12 Rels wrote: I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens. fidei says something about kush and everybody switches. fuck that I should have yelled Wanted to switch to DYH, but decided to go into his filter and make a post... I kinda want to restate that post, because I think he would be a good lynch so: His reason for voting LS: On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. Last mention of me in his filter: On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. So I am kinda asking myself where he got that magical TR on me from... Taking a break now. ConclusionIf we have a vig, you know who to shoot.
|
On December 04 2015 10:38 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:34 disformation wrote:Ah actually, upon looking at DYH again... Let me bring up Rels case again. Cause it got kinda lost in the forest. On December 03 2015 20:19 Rels wrote:DoYouHas is probably scum: a solid case1. Agreeing to a setup idea that is benefit to scum; without being the first to propose itTalking about this post: On December 01 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: Firstly for the roles, nobody should talk about this besides an opinion going forward, if you are a named towny you should claim asap, it narrows down the pool that we lynch from and also gives us more to work with. however if you are the Vet do not claim unless absolutely necessary. If you are shot claim if you aren't shut the hell up. After you use your power claim straight away your findings if you are one shot obviously do not pussy foot away and give mafia the ability to cause town to second guess you. As such thank you for your time in reading this.
On December 01 2015 08:32 DoYouHas wrote: I second the immediate claim by a boxer if we have one. boxer claiming is (was =X ) bad for town 50% of the time, so this post pushes a scum advantage. Furthermore, he's agreeing with Damdred on that, not taking responsability for the idea. 2. His Trfel's read makes no senseAlready explained here: On December 01 2015 22:22 Rels wrote:I don't like that progression from DoYouHas. On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote:On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote: Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while.
Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... Okay, what the heck. First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here. "Trfel you might be scum." 2 posts later: On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote: You are an idiot but you are most likely town.
If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not. Damdred: "Trfel is most likely town." 1 post later: On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote: I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel "Trfel you're crazy." So Trfel is considered town here. It doesn't add up. ##Vote DoYouHas 3. A total apathy towards the lynchHere are the two posts DYH made after coming back to EOD: On December 03 2015 07:01 DoYouHas wrote: Catching up now.
I can't see any scum motivation behind Trfel's hard defending of me. It doesn't even look like positioning for my flip is even really a possibility here. I was going after him, voted him, thread sentiment is against me. I'm an easy EASY person for scum trfel to keep the heat on. That he ran the other direction when there is no reason to as mafia is major town points in my book. Unvoting. On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote: Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. DYH just didn't care about the lynch. The third post was only made after I tried to get people to vote him. Furthermore, disfo bought a really good point about sheeping his "townreads": On December 03 2015 08:15 disformation wrote:On December 03 2015 08:12 Rels wrote: I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens. fidei says something about kush and everybody switches. fuck that I should have yelled Wanted to switch to DYH, but decided to go into his filter and make a post... I kinda want to restate that post, because I think he would be a good lynch so: His reason for voting LS: On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote: What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. Last mention of me in his filter: On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote: Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. So I am kinda asking myself where he got that magical TR on me from... Taking a break now. ConclusionIf we have a vig, you know who to shoot. I don't have a definitive read on Rels yet, but are you suggesting that DYH is bussing HTS for cred? I'm saying this because he's called her out for near identical (and obviously less personal but still just as valid) reasons that I know she is mafia. Then again nearly everyone was scumreading him? Meh I wasn't halfway through the thread when I started breaking on Dani, but what makes you think this?
My big problem with DYH: Look at his filter. Outside the case on HtS how many reads are there? + Show Spoiler + At the EoD1 he says I am a town read of him, when the last mention of me is being in the "middleground-group". So the few reads are kinda magical and can come and go without explanation. And when this is pointed out, he flat out ignores it.
|
So for the record: I think DYH is scum. If you are right and HtS is scum, too, then yes he is bussing her. But that is preflip association stuff.
|
|
|
|