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On January 25 2016 12:14 ritoky wrote: notice how he said nothing of the coaches list. Well I can flame you guys in thread and you can do nothing about it. | ||
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On January 27 2016 06:00 Trfel wrote: Onegu is mafia because he's too excited about the game to be town. One down Damn dude you got me. VT claim | ||
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On January 27 2016 06:01 Shapelog wrote: Kush is scum because he hasn't slip town yet. 2 down Why you got to out my scummate? | ||
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On January 27 2016 06:19 Trfel wrote: Shapelog, how does one "slip town"? Genuinely curious. I need to leave soon, unfortunately But two mafia down gives us 192 hours to find the last mafia, so there shouldn't be any rush Its Eden | ||
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Crap that was supposed to go into my scum qt... | ||
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On January 27 2016 06:56 _MexicanAlien wrote: So is the first day always just meta reads? You shouldnt try to meta read people and the fact that people are talking about it in a newbie game is really bad. | ||
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On January 27 2016 07:03 Eden1892 wrote: What exactly is weird about anything Shapelog did? Specifics please. Like talking about someones meta before they even post is just so random. Like it was a joke at first then it went into real meta talk. | ||
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On January 27 2016 07:18 _MexicanAlien wrote: I hate spelling mistakes. One slip-up and your post is urined. Pee Joke | ||
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On January 27 2016 07:19 darthfoley wrote: You mean, discuss what the blue roles would do IF they in fact are in the setup? Discussing blue roles in depth too early is dangerous for the town. That information is really valuable for mafia, ESPECIALLY because their setup is the same for each of the 4 possibilities. Blues do not claim. | ||
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On January 27 2016 07:23 _MexicanAlien wrote: Yes why talk about blue roles? This could possibly give the scum information. This may or may not help them but we shouldn't unwittingly give them any more Yes stop this line of discussion now. No blue talk. | ||
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On January 27 2016 07:33 Shapelog wrote: Omg I just realize that Onegu has been reading my posts <3 On January 19 2016 04:27 Onegu wrote: Ok Onegu serious face. 15 page filter this game. /in Yeah I guess this means reading your posts... | ||
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On January 27 2016 07:34 _MexicanAlien wrote: Is anyone else here seeing a pattern? Nope, What pattern would this be>? | ||
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On January 27 2016 07:37 Shapelog wrote: I do something/suggest something dumb, Post something un relating Comment on someone elses post and do something dumb again, and then post something unrelating? Or you post something dumb trying to get discussion going and I shut it down because it is dumb... | ||
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On January 27 2016 07:40 Shapelog wrote: Doesn't that make you scum since you want to control the thread and not allow the discussion to develop? Or is that a Oneguy try hard thing? Yup. Trfel already caught me remember? But seriously you are trying to make discussion about things that will not move the thread forward in a helpful way at all. Like what you have brought up only helps scum not town. | ||
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On January 27 2016 10:58 Shapelog wrote: Yo USP is the bomb. Got me my motherboard a day early :D I've read the TR on me. I think it is the worse possible town read on me period. Let me explain. He/she calls my town lean on Mexican Alien farfetch. I town lean that came from: There is no way that a mafia make the first post and then makes the second. He could of easily pushed a mafia agenda right here. Hell he could of taken Thread control here forcing townies to listen to a strategy that really doesn't have any merit to it (too early in the game IMO). Also the "we need infomation" also seems townie to me (though i will admit it can defiantly be NAI). Tell me what is the purpose of saying this as mafia? Like at all why would he want the blue talk to end? Sure, maybe he wanted cred for it. But this is a very pro-townie statement, In fact, mafia benefits NONE from it. This shows he is reading the thread and is trying to actively solve the game. Patterns are usally the first thing the brain notices when Analyzing things. So My town read on Mexican is good. The fact he is solving the game should be a clear indication. But here is why you don't town read him: Ok, First off I could see where you come from. Maybe (Just maybe) you think he is trying to draw attention to me, and possibly forcing a mislynch on me. Ok lets ponder this: Sure, i'll admit that I am prob. the best mislynch target for mafia at this point. I mean god, look at my posts. A lot of things that can be used for a case. And sure, while I did tried to help town, i ended up failing epicly. Also who would trust me? honestly who? But the thing is, the above post from him doesn't push me. Sure, it could be taken as that. But that is more of a playstyle question then "I think this guy could be scum b/c of X" statement. And lets also ponder the fact you can be mafia. You come into the thread "lolly lolly, I am peppermint" read the posts and you get to the end. Who stands out? Prob. me and mexcian. You see that everyone is sus. of me. I can totaly see you town reading me (since you know I am town b/c your mafia) so when i get lynch (or if i get lynched) you get cred for it. You also benift if mexican gets killed because he is a strong player. So no matter what you win either way. Finally, lets discus your town read on me: Initial: "hes overexcited and nervous" So you drop the overexcited part? Ok, I will admit, I do have anxintry disorder. But, I have not felt nervous or overexcited about this at all. sure, i am happy that i am playing, but i am not like OMG YES YES YES. What also is funny is that you decide is that my town lean was weak, BUT your town read was not. I mean at least mine I could prove and it made sense. All yours is on is tone, period. Honestlly, Right now, you have a good chance of being scum. ##VoteepperMintTea This is why I hate reading your posts... Big post incoming from me with stream of thoughts. | ||
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Sad nobody laughed at this... On January 27 2016 07:48 _MexicanAlien wrote: So first shapelog suggests talking about blue roles, then he lists the reason for each blue role to not need help. Very good reasons. yeah this could be Scum trying to make posts without actual content. On January 27 2016 08:38 nooniansoong wrote: This seems contradictory. Nervous people don't spout whatever comes into their head. This is actually a good point. The fact that it is a newbie doing it makes it even more true. On January 27 2016 08:41 PepperMintTea wrote: Many people talk too much or over explain to counter feeling nervous or anxious. It is a fairly common issue. Not in a fourm. In person yes, but it is much harder to put those thoughts on paper. On January 27 2016 08:45 PepperMintTea wrote: I have played mafia before; online versions and in real life. Then you should know new mafia in fourm are much less likely to post than town. Paranoia is a thing. On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote: Hi boys! First mafia game anywhere ever for me, should be fun. Got interested from watching the Dota 2 community mafia streams. Also casually ghosted a few of the recent games on TL. My observations as of right now: 1. Shapelog is the most scummy player to me. Reason A: Announcing you have some sort of tell on a player(noon), before he has even posted seems like a really bad idea. If hes mafia he can now attempt to replicate his his VT play from "the last two games", and even if he doesn't do "the tell" he'll be more prepared to defend himself from Shapelog. Reason B: He was the first to bring up the possible setups. Before the game started I considered if there would be any merit for town to discuss setups on D1, and I concluded that talking about it before anyone had claimed anything would be probably be useless. Bringing up useless stuff doesn't further the town agenda. Although the fact that he's done all this so fast is a little confusing. 2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien. He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs). 3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times: Going forward: Talk about other players. Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed. Reason A is fine Reason B is NAI. Town or Mafia could do it. The problem with him talking about it is it doesnt move discussion forward in any meaningful way. 2: this is fine 3: No this is meta. Bad newbie, bad. On January 27 2016 09:17 nooniansoong wrote: but don't these points contradict each other? (a) he's nervous, which makes him (b) talk a lot of nonsense. (b) talking a lot of nonsense makes him (c)townie. So then by the transitive relation, a=c, him being nervous makes him townie. Why would townies be nervous? Fairly happy to sheep kush on this. On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote: Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu. Do you have any scumreads? I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost. Some people play the game by finding town reads and then doing POE from there this is NAI. The question is fine. On January 27 2016 09:37 nooniansoong wrote: Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much. Bleh. Can be caused by being busy... On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote: Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far: Town: (none yet) Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien Scum: Shapelog My reasoning on Shapelog: Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are: and In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before. I wish I rolled scum. Does this make me scum. No. Nor does it make shape scum. And a list post as a first post with only one reason posted for people on the list. Really dont like this at all. On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote: I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel. Then switches a read when questioned right away for a questionable read to begin with really fucking weird. On January 27 2016 12:28 Trfel wrote: Questions @Alur: How confident are you in Shapelog being mafia? Also, can you explain specifically what you didn't like/understand about PepperMintTea's post? Because I thought I understood it pretty well. @Nooniansoong: Which point are you referring to, and to what extent do you agree with it? @Onegu: What do you think about Shapelog's alignment, and why? Completely null. He has some things going for him like him and pepperminttea going at each other and I much more agree with kush that tea is scummy as hell. Yeah Yeah preflip association but here it is fine... I think. His trying to bring up discussion that goes no where is bad though. On January 27 2016 12:54 Trfel wrote: Tumblewood, why do you feel that Onegu is towny? Trefl stop asking questions. That is all you are doing and is scummy as hell. On January 27 2016 12:58 Kuragari42 wrote: As I was reading darthfoley's posts in question, I thought to myself that they seemed to needlessly reference his affiliation and that VoT did the same thing in my last game as mafia. Not sure why Shape's didn't until I read TW's mention. Maybe I just skimmed over them, idk, I'm pretty tired. Shapelog seems like a sort of troll player to me and since I have no grasp of his meta, it is hard for me to think much of him as of yet. Is this troll behavior normal for him? Meta. Bad Newbie. Bad. On January 27 2016 14:09 Trfel wrote: Darthfoley, can you explain by what you meant by this statement, and any conclusions you may have drawn from this? Fuck me the fact that all Trfel is doing is asking questions is bothering the fuck out of me. It is scummy as hell. On January 27 2016 14:34 Trfel wrote: I see, I misread your post earlier. Thanks for clearing that up. What do you think about Kuragari42? Really still? On January 27 2016 14:38 _MexicanAlien wrote: Looking at this from a new angle, I see your point. I'm not ready to dismiss Shapelog as a suspect, but I get how he just might be "too scum" to actually be scum. Either he's clique noob scum, or he's simply bad at focusing, too talkative, and a noob. Never use the last part. Never is to scum to be scum a valid excuse. | ||
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On January 27 2016 15:36 Shapelog wrote: But anyways how did my post had anything to do with this? Which post are you referring to? | ||
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On January 27 2016 15:38 darthfoley wrote: Onegu, I still don't understand how Alur's point A has anything to do with his read that Shapelog is scummy. His point A is basically arguing that what he did (the Kush meta thing) was a stupid thing to do, because it gives mafia!Kush better prep for his playstyle/defense. But the only two ways it's stupid is if 1) Shapelog is town 2) Shapelog and Noon are both mafia and they're setting up meta shit, which is smart. How does any of that implicate Shapelog as scum? Maybe i'm missing something huge idk The way he started talking about meta of a player before the player even posted. Mafia shape could be talking just to talk. Mafia shape could be trying to pocket town kush. | ||
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On January 27 2016 15:36 Shapelog wrote: But anyways how did my post had anything to do with this? It didnt I just dont like reading your posts. | ||
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On January 27 2016 15:47 Shapelog wrote: Also for heavens sakes Town! Shapelog talks to talk. Blue! Shapelog talks to Talk. so Scum! Shapelog prob. talks to Talk (I think). They All Talk to Talk Self meta is meta. Bad Newbie. Bad | ||
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On January 27 2016 16:11 Eden1892 wrote: I skimmed the early stuff. It's a bit late and I don't really feel like reading the thread in a lot of depth right now, but I got a few early reads worth sharing. - Shapelog is obviously town, and the first thing I want to do when I get the motivation to read this game in detail (which will be tomorrow, hold me to this and don't let me be lazy) is to read the sequence of people scumreading him early while it was the "in" read to give, because I'm almost positive scum were involved in that. If I actually have to explain this (and if you need it explained, that's okay; newbie game and all), Shapelog's posting was very spontaneous and "error-prone" in the right way. As Onegu put it, "talking about someone's meta before they even post" is in fact a poor use of a townie's time, because you don't need to call attention to the idea that you have a way to read somebody based on meta. Just make the read in either direction when the trigger behavior you're waiting on manifests itself (or doesn't manifest itself when it should). But a post like that is never going to come from mafia. Mafia players don't think to themselves: "You know, I should post that I have a meta read on kush before he says anything. That will make me look more townie and advance my agenda." Because it doesn't. It's empty words. An excited townie, however, who is trying to get discussion started and generate meaningful data for themselves and other players to read, might be overeager and start talking about this tell before it manifests, because it's meaningful to them (even if it doesn't do anything yet). And if you read the rest of Shapelog's posts, eagerness and excitement are pretty reasonable descriptors of his emotional state as he plays. So we can either assume that Shapelog is a bad noob scum player, who also doesn't have anybody on his team to tell him that his early posting isn't doing anything to help, and who also doesn't have a scum coach telling him the same thing... or we can just assume that he is an eager townie, as his posts read. - Onegu is my current top suspect for a few okay-ish reasons: 1. Not recognizing Shapelog as obvious town. He talks about Shapelog's posts being weird, his posting direction as not helping town, blabla... ignores all the evidence pointing to the conclusion I just gave you from only skimming the thread, but then avoids giving a concrete read on Shapelog when the action is all centered on Shapelog during that sequence I mentioned at the beginning of this post (p13-14 I think is the right section, where Pepperminttea posted). I expect better from "tryhard Onegu" since I genuinely view the Shapelog read as trivially simple for an experienced player to make. 2. Unusually rigid policies for what is okay to use/discuss. This one's a little convoluted, but hopefully I'll make it clear. At several points during Onegu's interaction with Shapelog, there's these posts that basically say "You're doing X thing. X thing is A Bad Thing. Don't do X thing." Referring to some aspects of scumhunting that are variably useful: metagame reading (sometimes great, sometimes bad), setup spec discussion (same), self-meta (granted, this one is pretty bad always). And he's not wrong when he says them. Shapelog's attempted use of metagame reading of kush was not very productive, and setup spec posting is pretty bad in this setup (which I'll explain in a bit). And there's even a conflating motivator here -- Onegu is an experienced player in a newbie game, so you could argue he feels an impetus to steer the newbies toward more "proper" scumhunting avenues. But the lack of explanation bothers me a lot, especially given that the things he discusses are variably useful and not clearly always bad. Like he says to stop posting about blues, because it only helps mafia. In this case, it's true: since the mafia know the whole setup, the only thing that can really come from the town discussing the setup is blues accidentally slipping up and making clear that they have extra knowledge of the game state (and thus outing blues to mafia). (Mafia can slip in the same way, but it's hard for townies to distinguish whether the slip is blue or red in nature, and besides, mafia tend to be much more careful about their known information; so it's rare for mafia to slip and much more common for blues to do it, making it bad for town.) ^^ See how easy that explanation was? 3-4 lines. But Onegu doesn't even do that, he just says "this is bad don't do it." It belies the "Onegu is trying to help the newbies get better" explanation, since you would expect an explanation for why something is bad if you're trying to get better by having people tell you something is bad. As such it reads less like "Onegu trying to help the townies" and more like "Onegu trying to jam up potentially useful (from the standpoint of getting town reads) discussion under the guise of being helpful to newbies." - kush already seems several orders of magnitude more invested than he was in Unoriginal, where he was mafia. And he made the point I did about Shapelog, and made it first, while people were trying to twist it into a scummy thing for Shapelog to be eager and talking a lot. Early TR for him. - darthfoley seems much more relaxed and spontaneous than he was in Unoriginal, where he was mafia. He also had a couple of salient points he made that I've forgotten and don't care to look up right now. Early TR here as well. TL;DR: - Shapelog solid town - kush, darth early tr's - Onegu scummy - There's probably a mafia among the "Shapelog is scummy" crowd from p13-14 1. Why does this make me scummy. I am better than you and can make next level reads you cannot. And the fact that you want to call him basically confirmed town at this point is so fucking random. 2. Why is this AI at all. Ill give you a hint it isnt. Why the fuck do I have to be the one to explain things. If they want to take my word for something without putting critical thinking into things thats on them not me. Me just saying things makes them have to think if what I am saying is correct or not. Im not here to hold their hands. I am here to tell them they are newbies. And then find scum. You are going on about me saying things then you go and feel the need to then explain what I already said is correct? Then scum read me for not being helpful enough? | ||
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On January 27 2016 16:36 Shapelog wrote: Oh yeah without a doubt the logic in those posts are great. Idk maybe it just boils down to a personal opinion. No they arent great at all. | ||
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On January 27 2016 16:46 Shapelog wrote: Damm Onegu you scared away the wild Eden. Good he is being bad right now. | ||
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On January 27 2016 16:45 Shapelog wrote: Reading me at all is not random. Sure calling me confirmed town does raises sus. (flashbacks to my Tinfoil with Rikotry) for me. But I honestly can see anything wrong with it other than wording. It is almost 3 am though. But considering how you just kinda OMGUS Eden reasons for that post is sus. as well. I mean i can understand where he is coming from. He is seeking to know Why you think i am null after so much debate with my alignment. Does that make you scum to me? No. To him, Yes. Please don't degrade into the onegu who doesn't do cases. But i mean you basically just snapped at him for even remotely calling you scum. This in turn, makes me believe you are scum. so i am defiantly going to your filter 1st I havent made a read on him yet except bad | ||
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On January 27 2016 16:59 Eden1892 wrote: So for those who care, Onegu's responses are terrible because: 1. He literally responds to my claim that Shapelog is an easy town read with "I'm better than you and capable of making next-level reads you can't make," while not having a read on Shapelog either way. He attempts to leverage some kind of perceived skill advantage to shoot down my opinion, but he gives no meaningful comment on whether he actually disagrees with the opinion or not (calling it "so fucking random" isn't meaningful). It's another angle Onegu appears to want to use to shut down various lines of discussion, but when he doesn't even seem to have a line of discussion he wants to pursue, what good is that for anybody? 2. He essentially says here that he isn't shutting down various lines of discussion to help guide newbies. He just wants to call people bad and then find scum. If you're an astute reader -- indeed, a reader at all -- you will notice that Onegu has only satisfied the "call people bad" half of that. No scum reads -- barely anything that would be considered a read at all. Where you at Onegu? If you're being such a try hard scum killer this game why is it that all I see from you is shouting newbies down and no reads? I have reads. Tumbleweed and Tea are mafia reads. Mexican and kush are town reads. Rest are in null catagory. And yes when people are being bad I will tell them they are bad. I am not going to give shape a town read. My next level read is that he is completely null doing scummy things. And yes when people are being bad I will tell them. Then I will find scum. | ||
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On January 27 2016 17:01 Eden1892 wrote: Look right now even. He has nothing to say except to call people bad. He's in the thread while real, meaningful reads are being given, and he's pointedly not doing anything constructive. And we're supposed to believe this is tryhard town Onegu? Please. You are being bad | ||
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On January 27 2016 17:23 Eden1892 wrote: Ok I'll grant that you do say Trfel is scummy without much ambiguity near the end of the train of thought post. It's hard to count that for much when you apparently forgot that read in your response to me though. And you named mex and tea reads just now but said nothing to that effect in the post. If anything you implied mex was scum. Your comments on tea and tumbleweed weren't clearly indicative of any opinion. Do you care to explain these discrepancies? What are you talking about? You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum? | ||
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On January 28 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote: ##unvote ##vote onegu Really disappoint here you are much better than this kush. | ||
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On January 28 2016 01:57 nooniansoong wrote: how so when I mislynched you 2 games ago... Figured you would learn your lesson | ||
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On January 28 2016 01:57 Trfel wrote: Onegu, evidently you are still around.... You said that you are playing this game differently, more seriously. Can you please explain the mindset that you are using this game? I am not trolling... And am actually putting my thoughts down instead of just not having a 5 page filter on day 3 | ||
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On January 28 2016 02:06 Trfel wrote: Onegu, one last question, sorry: Can you describe how your read on Shapelog changed as time passed, and why? ... My read on him is null... | ||
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On January 28 2016 02:55 Trfel wrote: Off to class for most of the afternoon. Onegu, I'd really appreciate it if you could answer that last question when you get a chance, and yes I know I lied about only one more question. This one's actually the last one, I promise. I thought I already answered. It doesnt move the thread forward in a meaningful way. It doesnt make sense to do at all. There are more reasons for scum to do this than town. Dunno why I am talking to you... You are scum. @Kush Its in my filter why he is scum. He is only asking questions and giving little to no follow up on the questions he was asking. | ||
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On January 28 2016 03:29 Trfel wrote: Onegu Unknown Unknown I'm primarily scumreading Onegu because he doesn't seem interested in finding scum but instead appearing useful. The biggest example of this is his Shapelog read, which he has made a ton of comments about, but he doesn't seem to actually be caring about it. As in, his comments about Shapelog don't flow, they don't seem to be a town progression that attempts to find someones alignment. But I need to check again when I am on a computer. I found scum. You. You are misrepresenting me. | ||
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On January 27 2016 19:30 PepperMintTea wrote: Can you explain what Onegu did that makes him scummy? @Onegu I'm rather curious how you have come to this conclusion, I think at one point you had me down as "scummy as hell". The scum read is based on nooniansong's scum read of me. I hope that has been cleared up for you. But outside of this you defended me twice. I would be interested how having, one fairly weak scum accusation, and two reasons you stated are not good reasons. I have come out as scummy as hell. It seems inconsistent. Perhaps you have misunderstood something I wrote. When people are scum reading scummy people for bad reasons I will point out they are bad reasons. I need to re read you to be honest. The fact that Noon is being dumb is making me trust he read less. Much more interested in Trfel and Tumble now. I will agree your point on Tumble is good. | ||
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On January 28 2016 06:13 Tumblewood wrote: It doesn't make sense to make a read on early D1 and then never change it. As information has come out, I've been getting more and more of a feel on people. By the first little tier post, Trfel had done nothing scummy and neither had Onegu. They even looked a little town for helping to get things started. Darthfoley and MexicanAlien appeared scummy to me for the first few pages, but their play has been solid since. The big turning point for me was when Onegu posted that giant stream-of-consciousness post. That was the only big thing he'd posted all game, and most of it lacked his own opinions. The only part where he said anything definitive himself was his read on Trfel (which I agree with, hence Trfel leaning scum in my mind). Onegu and Trfel both look like classic examples of players who are very active but not saying much. Onegu was also really confrontational toward accusations, which seemed odd to me. Could you explain to me what you find town about Onegu's play? Why wouldnt I be confrontational? | ||
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On January 28 2016 06:32 Trfel wrote: Onegu, when you said that Shapelog was being "weird" by bringing up meta on nooniansoong, what did you mean? Did you mean that Shapelog was town, or mafia? If neither, why were you bringing it up? I wasnt sure what to make of it to be honest. It was wierd. Thinking more on it seems to come from scum more than town mindset though. Why the hell are you still asking questions. Do you think the more questions you ask the less I am going to scum read you. | ||
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On January 28 2016 06:34 PepperMintTea wrote: Ok I can understand you pointing out bad reasons , can you tell me where "scummy as hell" came from , what are the very good reasons, you mentioned I am curious what these very good points are It was the whole stream of thoughts thing and you scum reading shape for it. I need to read your post on that. | ||
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On January 28 2016 07:03 PepperMintTea wrote: honestly onegu that is a really weak answer Well that is what you are getting | ||
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On January 29 2016 05:18 Alur wrote: Surprised you wouldn't vote for Jesus, since it seems like the most viable strategy for you to not get lynched. Since he's your primary competition, lynchwise. This is why you should have town read him. This comes from town a large majority of the time for future reference. | ||
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He has a small filter. Go look at his town games when he was killed and the size of his filter then look at his scum games when he dies and the size of his filter. This is a guy who can make a 40 page filter in a mini as town but doesnt ever go past 10 pages as scum. | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:00 Alur wrote: If that was me getting lynched I would prioritize not getting lynched over being afraid of mislynching. Like it's not 100% impossible that the counterwagon would've gone through, in which case town would've been better off (since theres a <100% chance of the counterwagon being town. Im not going to vote you | ||
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On January 30 2016 04:57 Alur wrote: I think people are done with VCA's for now, so telling them to stop seems redundant. Although I guess if you're just doing it to call people bad it's not entirely inconsistent with your persona so far. I am still reading where I am reading there is VCA going on... So I am telling people to stop doing VCA... And yes it is bad. | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:12 Eden1892 wrote: Yeah fuck Onegu he's scum. Being an ass to people telling them to stop doing things, terribad reads and suspects, inactive and not doing anything even before IRL issues arose to explain that away. This also means Trfel is town, which is fine, because I was starting to get some cognitive dissonance feels reading Trfel's most recent posts. This picture makes a lot more sense. Scum... You want to see bad? Ok here goes. If you arent scum you are blue. | ||
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If you have a actual counter to my point on meta then post the links so people can see them. | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:18 Eden1892 wrote: Nah fuck you, burden of proof is on you to prove that I'm contradicting relevant meta and you haven't proven shit. Multiple people in this game were in the only relevant sample (Unoriginal Mini) and have already vouched for me. Which you'd know if you read the game or did anything besides yell at people to stop trying to be productive in their own ways. Fake anger. Nice. | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:23 Trfel wrote: If I may, I don't think that this is productive. Unoriginal Name Mini Mafia Eden had a 9 page filter. The game ended early in Day 4. He was town. That is fine. He is still scum. | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:23 darthfoley wrote: Onegu do you have anything besides eden = scum to offer? Not currently... Did I mention eden is scum? | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:25 Trfel wrote: Please explain, other than activity/filter length, why are you scumreading Eden1892? His first scum read on me. Then the follow up now. And now I dont think the meta argument is broken completely. | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:23 Trfel wrote: If I may, I don't think that this is productive. Unoriginal Name Mini Mafia Eden had a 9 page filter. The game ended early in Day 4. He was town. Good news though. You are now null... | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:36 Eden1892 wrote: Literal actual OMGUS + a horrible, demonstrably false meta argument. Do you even have other reads? Trfel is now null, great. Non-read. What else? Preferably something actually meaningful. Nope have I mentioned you are scum? | ||
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On January 30 2016 05:55 Eden1892 wrote: Onegu is a cocky shit who thinks he's better than me. Easy. He told us that himself earlier in the game. I admit that it's possible that I'm not being objective about it, because I really want to take him down a peg for being a dick this game, but I think that's a perfectly reasonable explanation. Not think, know | ||
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Its a newbie game. The fuck you's were really over the top | ||
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On February 11 2016 06:01 Trfel wrote: I'm pretty sure that mafia knows the setup, so claiming veteran and claiming generic blue is basically the same thing, no? No because at that point they don't know if you are just fake claiming to get off the lynch or if you are blue | ||
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