On June 18 2016 15:52 Chezinu wrote:
Make Liquidia Liquid Again!
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Make Liquidia Liquid Again!
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I must play a town game with the Chez!
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On June 18 2016 15:52 Chezinu wrote: Make Liquidia Liquid Again! /in I must play a town game with the Chez! /in | ||
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On June 25 2016 06:13 Superbia wrote: brb GOTEM BOYS | ||
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On June 25 2016 06:39 Chezinu wrote: Dear US Liquidians, I am here before you to declare that I willing to represent everyone here. Of the two presidential candidates presented before us that we must chose, I am willing to make the hard decision. In light of the recent attacks and the volatile economy, it is not the time to continue on the path we have taken. These desperate times call for desperate measures. That is why I am will to speak on behalf of all us and chose the wild card that may or may not save us. I am willing to play the Trump in front of our nation. May the clouds have favor on our dance. This man is clearly green. You can see it in the way he phrases the difficulties that our nation faces and the way that he formulates his ideas on regard of saving us all. However, I feel obligated to provide you with an alternative, myself. Should I be elected as your mayor, I will promise the eviction of all red numbers in our city. Should I falter and only achieve second place, as pardoner I shall pardon no man but the man that is most certainly green. You all know whom I mean. Thank you. | ||
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On June 25 2016 06:46 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 06:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 06:13 Superbia wrote: brb GOTEM BOYS Multitasking 2hard. Wut'sup Artanis my fellow Dutchman. Is there only room for 1 person from the Netherlands or are we aligned? I don't know if we are. With 8/11 odds, they are in our favour, but time will tell. | ||
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On June 25 2016 06:58 Skynx wrote: I'll happily be your first muslim president. I won't stop till all red are wiped out. Doesn't Turkey usually use red as a colour, or are you going back to the Ottoman empire? | ||
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On June 25 2016 07:15 Damdred wrote: Art can be small town as well who u will spite lynch in lylo What's got you townreading me mr. Ian sir? On June 25 2016 07:19 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh shit the Ottoman Empire used mostly red in their flag as well. Guess you can't do what you promise without killing yourself Almost every flag i can think of has a bit of red in it. True but your flag has like a lot of it. | ||
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On June 25 2016 08:20 Damdred wrote: Let me be honest with you qt. Ignore moosey for all of d1, he automatically tries to do strange things d1 do no matter alignment he can survive till d2. Anyway art just easier to be on your good side atn You can be town. Reason: Don't think you'd be this blunt about this kinda reasoning as mafia. | ||
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On June 25 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 06:52 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 06:48 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI, I'm town Makes me mayor Do you want to bear that responsibility? Awesome joke, 10/10 The puns are getting unbearable already. | ||
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On June 25 2016 08:44 emperorchampion wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 08:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I kinda only want to lynch the people I don't know. Think I caught the Chez virus CAN'T LYNCH FRIENDS wooow let's be friends | ||
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On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not? On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 06:52 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 06:48 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI, I'm town Makes me mayor Do you want to bear that responsibility? Awesome joke, 10/10 The puns are getting unbearable already. 5/7, keep growling ftfy This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it. | ||
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On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not? On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 06:52 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 06:48 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI, I'm town Makes me mayor Do you want to bear that responsibility? Awesome joke, 10/10 The puns are getting unbearable already. 5/7, keep growling ftfy This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it. Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK. So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why? On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 06:58 Skynx wrote: I'll happily be your first muslim president. I won't stop till all red are wiped out. Who'd you lynch? Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 06:58 Skynx wrote: I'll happily be your first muslim president. I won't stop till all red are wiped out. Who'd you lynch? Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all. You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so. I believe there's a good chance you're mafia. | ||
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On June 25 2016 08:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not? On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 06:52 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 06:48 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI, I'm town Makes me mayor Do you want to bear that responsibility? Awesome joke, 10/10 The puns are getting unbearable already. 5/7, keep growling ftfy This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it. Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK. So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why? On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 06:58 Skynx wrote: I'll happily be your first muslim president. I won't stop till all red are wiped out. Who'd you lynch? Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote: [quote] Who'd you lynch? Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all. You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so. I believe there's a good chance you're mafia. lolol QuickTwist is town Why? | ||
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On June 25 2016 08:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 08:57 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: On June 25 2016 08:49 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:44 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 08:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I kinda only want to lynch the people I don't know. Think I caught the Chez virus CAN'T LYNCH FRIENDS wooow let's be friends I hope you don't put our friendship near your butt, ew. oh g0d I really want shapelog to post some gifs about now. I'm a bit of a gif newb, butt this seems like the one NSFW obvs + Show Spoiler + http://giphy.com/gifs/rock-years-over-Ogxe3jSdivKbm this is actually pretty gross. xd 10/10 Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 08:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not? On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote: [quote] Awesome joke, 10/10 The puns are getting unbearable already. 5/7, keep growling ftfy This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it. Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK. So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why? On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote: [quote] Who'd you lynch? Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: [quote] No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all. You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so. I believe there's a good chance you're mafia. lolol QuickTwist is town Why? he's behaving basically like the game he was just in. if you just skim through d1 there it's a breeze and you'll see what i'm talking about. I'm scrolling through his newbie game now and I'm really not getting that impression. He was joking around a decent bit in the early game whilst posting reads through it as well here and there. I don't see the sudden disconnect that happened in this game. | ||
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On June 25 2016 09:01 Tumblewood wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not? On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 06:52 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 06:48 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI, I'm town Makes me mayor Do you want to bear that responsibility? Awesome joke, 10/10 The puns are getting unbearable already. 5/7, keep growling ftfy This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it. Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK. So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why? On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 06:58 Skynx wrote: I'll happily be your first muslim president. I won't stop till all red are wiped out. Who'd you lynch? Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote: [quote] Who'd you lynch? Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all. You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so. I believe there's a good chance you're mafia. idk what narrative is but this is narrative don't like this read at all, feels forced It's a tone-based read. QT expressed that he doesn't like the random voting stage/silliness going on. QT expresses it again. Makes a joke instantly afterwards. None of that is narrative. It's tonally inconsistent. | ||
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On June 25 2016 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 09:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: On June 25 2016 08:57 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: On June 25 2016 08:49 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:44 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 08:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I kinda only want to lynch the people I don't know. Think I caught the Chez virus CAN'T LYNCH FRIENDS wooow let's be friends I hope you don't put our friendship near your butt, ew. oh g0d I really want shapelog to post some gifs about now. I'm a bit of a gif newb, butt this seems like the one NSFW obvs + Show Spoiler + http://giphy.com/gifs/rock-years-over-Ogxe3jSdivKbm this is actually pretty gross. xd 10/10 On June 25 2016 08:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not? On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: [quote] 5/7, keep growling ftfy This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it. Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK. So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why? On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: [quote] No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: [quote] Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all. You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so. I believe there's a good chance you're mafia. lolol QuickTwist is town Why? he's behaving basically like the game he was just in. if you just skim through d1 there it's a breeze and you'll see what i'm talking about. I'm scrolling through his newbie game now and I'm really not getting that impression. He was joking around a decent bit in the early game whilst posting reads through it as well here and there. I don't see the sudden disconnect that happened in this game. did you read later on where the shit really hit the fan with the jealous vs quicktwist fight? He was very defensive when people brought him up, was very pointed in his comments, etc which is what I'm reading here but without the early D1 euphoria of that game. No, I didn't get that far, but a single similarity with his towngame does not imply that he is town to me. I'll read on, but if you can expand on exactly what it was (defensiveness is not what made me ping QT out here) I'll try to see what you see. | ||
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On June 25 2016 09:05 QuickTwist wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not? On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 06:52 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 06:48 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI, I'm town Makes me mayor Do you want to bear that responsibility? Awesome joke, 10/10 The puns are getting unbearable already. 5/7, keep growling ftfy This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it. Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK. So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why? On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 06:58 Skynx wrote: I'll happily be your first muslim president. I won't stop till all red are wiped out. Who'd you lynch? Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote: [quote] Who'd you lynch? Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all. You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so. I believe there's a good chance you're mafia. If I am serious and no one else is being serious, I gain literally nothing out of taking the game seriously at this point. So while, yes I would definitely prefer to take the game seriously, I am pretty much left out of the game if I continue to be serious while everyone else dicks around. I generally am not the joking type unless I do it to make a point. But tbh, I don't care if I "don't not strike you as a joking player" because you haven't played a single game with me. So basically your argument is based off meta that you don't have of me. And I can say why is it Scummy for me to joke when everyone else is doing it? What if I just gave up trying to be serious for the time being since it was basically no use? You are using a Scum narrative of me without considering the other side of the coin that I could be Town just trying to join in with the jokes as a player new to this site. I said I don't really know this sites meta (don't know where) and if I start joking along with you guys you are going to Scum read me for that? WTF? How can I even play here if I can't be serious and I can joke either? I wouldn't be surprised if you used the piss poor argument that I am being serious now so that means I am mafia. My read on you not being a joking player is based on you literally saying it multiple times in the thread. There's no word-twisting going on there, nor will I scumread you for "suddenly taking it seriously". The scumread is based on you appearing pissed that no one's being serious, followed instantaneously after by a pun. The point I'm trying to make is that if you were _actually_ pissed that people weren't being serious, you wouldn't join in on the jokes afterwards. Pissed/annoyed people tend not to do that. The fact that you did suggests you're actually quite content with how things are going. | ||
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Anyway, only a few hours into D1. We'll see what develops. | ||
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On June 25 2016 09:30 Tumblewood wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 09:22 Damdred wrote: I think art v qt is t v t. Its good though keep it up. maybe art feels a little too on the offensive to rule out s v t for me I actually hate this reason normally (feel like scum tend to be more appeasing) but on me it's accurate. No town points for you though. Don't think you know me enough for that! | ||
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On June 25 2016 09:37 Tumblewood wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 09:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 09:30 Tumblewood wrote: On June 25 2016 09:22 Damdred wrote: I think art v qt is t v t. Its good though keep it up. maybe art feels a little too on the offensive to rule out s v t for me I actually hate this reason normally (feel like scum tend to be more appeasing) but on me it's accurate. No town points for you though. Don't think you know me enough for that! just tunnel for another day if you want to collect your townread Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 09:36 MoosyDoosy wrote: Although she seriously needs to stop trying to transition into Mutalisks in ZvP. It's garbage in LotV unless the opponent throws their army like Welmu did. It was okay in HotS but not okay in LotV. yeah I know right totally I was talking about your alignment though my friend. Mine is already clear. Also tunneling is the thing I do as mafia moreso so that wouldn't make any sense | ||
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On June 25 2016 09:54 GlowingBear wrote: I'm pretty comfortable to call quick twist town right at the moment. I think Artanis pushes on quick twist are kinda unnatural, but it's mostly a gut feel M8 you're not going to get me mislynched no matter how hard you try. Just give up on the plans before you give yourself away. | ||
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I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW. | ||
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On June 25 2016 19:31 QuickTwist wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hello! I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW. I am assuming (based off a single game played with TW) that he mostly falls under the "normal" player category. Don't get this confused with "weak" player, just that his style isn't super different or anything. And I left a whole argument on him and all you have to say is "you're scum reading him for being a normal player," which is not my reason for Scum reading him, which, my Scum read on him is not very strong now. I don't know how I feel about you even questioning me about my read on him in this way.. I can think of Scum doing that to paint TW to be more Scummy than he is... That should show you where I'm at in my read on him at least. My reason for Scum reading you is based on your push on me which was largely unfounded and built upon assumptions of my play. I know I am a weird player, but when people start giving reasons I don't see myself doing, I have to admit the OMGUS comes out in me a little. Look, here's the problem for me. A) You accuse me of an unfounded read based upon your character differing from most people. This, to me, seems the foundation of your scumread on me (or at least not asking about it) B) You proceed to use this argument on a player that you, as far as I'm aware, don't know enough about in his character to make the same judgement call. Essentially, you're doing something to TW that you scumread me for, so I'm asking what's up. My question is in relation to you, not TW. | ||
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On June 25 2016 12:48 Damdred wrote: Just a couple, your initial response to my opening post was good and showed you were reading carefully. The post about art/qt about distancing while I disagreed showed a nice jumping around logic and looking at things from different hard to see angles. I'm fact I don't think mafia GB makes that post especially going after art who is almost impossible to Lynch as town. So yeah just some fun thinking from you. I think your town actually. I don't agree with GB not going after me. He went after HF every time he was in a game with him, though I think you're right in that he's probably town for the deeper thought processes. | ||
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On June 25 2016 19:55 QuickTwist wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 19:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 19:31 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hello! I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW. I am assuming (based off a single game played with TW) that he mostly falls under the "normal" player category. Don't get this confused with "weak" player, just that his style isn't super different or anything. And I left a whole argument on him and all you have to say is "you're scum reading him for being a normal player," which is not my reason for Scum reading him, which, my Scum read on him is not very strong now. I don't know how I feel about you even questioning me about my read on him in this way.. I can think of Scum doing that to paint TW to be more Scummy than he is... That should show you where I'm at in my read on him at least. My reason for Scum reading you is based on your push on me which was largely unfounded and built upon assumptions of my play. I know I am a weird player, but when people start giving reasons I don't see myself doing, I have to admit the OMGUS comes out in me a little. Look, here's the problem for me. A) You accuse me of an unfounded read based upon your character differing from most people. This, to me, seems the foundation of your scumread on me (or at least not asking about it) B) You proceed to use this argument on a player that you, as far as I'm aware, don't know enough about in his character to make the same judgement call. Essentially, you're doing something to TW that you scumread me for, so I'm asking what's up. My question is in relation to you, not TW. My foundation for my read on you lies in you saying I had Scum mindset without you having a working narrative of my personality, is only part of it. The other part is fabrication as to what you thought I was trying to accomplish. I'm sure you can see how when someone gets accused of ill intent when there is none to be had there is a bit Sus. No, I don't like you boiling down my read on TW to that.. its not the same thing. I am Scum reading TW because post 349 pinged me in a bad way. I then decided on a whim to investigate this and found there was something I could make a small case out of so I followed up with that. I don't see how this is the same type of thing regarding your Scum read on me and my Scum read on TW. I just don't see it that way at all. You're going to have to pin point what you mean exactly - I'm not seeing it. I may simply be reading into your post wrongly. I meant this part of your case on TW: On June 25 2016 16:02 QuickTwist wrote: Follows that up with a joke, which by Arts logic would mean that is Sus. To me, it sounds like you're literally saying that my logic, which you didn't agree made you scum (obviously), makes TW suspicious. I found that very strange. | ||
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On June 26 2016 00:51 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 00:43 Damdred wrote: Give good reasoning on them right now TT. since you want to lambast all of my reads and say they are all shit lets see it with a decent explanation. Pfft like why are you even getting all fussy. You and art just feel really boring and mechanical to me. Either giving out really shallow reads or blowing up over some silly stuff. I really really want to scumread you now | ||
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On June 26 2016 01:36 Skynx wrote: Wow Art kinda fucked up hard imo: 20 posts of trolling and fluff followed by this all of a sudden: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not? On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 06:52 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 06:48 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI, I'm town Makes me mayor Do you want to bear that responsibility? Awesome joke, 10/10 The puns are getting unbearable already. 5/7, keep growling ftfy This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it. Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK. So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why? On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 06:58 Skynx wrote: I'll happily be your first muslim president. I won't stop till all red are wiped out. Who'd you lynch? Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote: [quote] Who'd you lynch? Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all. You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so. I believe there's a good chance you're mafia. So this is super weak, it actually reminds me of myself in newbie game going for an easy mislynch. Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 09:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 09:01 Tumblewood wrote: On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not? On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote: [quote] Awesome joke, 10/10 The puns are getting unbearable already. 5/7, keep growling ftfy This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it. Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK. So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why? On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote: [quote] Who'd you lynch? Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: [quote] No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all. You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so. I believe there's a good chance you're mafia. idk what narrative is but this is narrative don't like this read at all, feels forced It's a tone-based read. On June 25 2016 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well I just went through QT's filter on his previous game and apparently he's been lynched a lot. I didn't find anything like the tonally inconsistent thing that I pinged out though, and lynchbait rolls mafia too so eh. Anyway, only a few hours into D1. We'll see what develops. QT expressed that he doesn't like the random voting stage/silliness going on. QT expresses it again. Makes a joke instantly afterwards. None of that is narrative. It's tonally inconsistent. This post is quite bait, he's trying to make up for parts i bolded because they are not one bit indicative of QT being scum. Looks like a panic move. Moosy and Tumble points this out and Art switches to this: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hello! I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW. Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm just going to let someone else deal with you because apparently asking clarifying questions is now scummy and it's very tiring. I actually think you're town but I was trying to UNDERSTAND what was going on there. That's a lot of back and forth there. Your push was a quite serious one, you have to back it up with something or just admit you were trying to bait. Either way, the manner in which you abandon your scumread feels way to panicky to me. Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 10:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 09:54 GlowingBear wrote: I'm pretty comfortable to call quick twist town right at the moment. I think Artanis pushes on quick twist are kinda unnatural, but it's mostly a gut feel M8 you're not going to get me mislynched no matter how hard you try. Just give up on the plans before you give yourself away. This is also not ok, if you're gona attack someone please have some basis behind it. GB's posts were all good up to that point, why try to divide the town? 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On June 26 2016 00:57 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 00:48 MoosyDoosy wrote: I still want to see what Jealous thinks of QT and Artanis when he's done with this mooseshrooms From what little I've seen (pages like 18-here) it seems eerily similar to the Town vs. Town fight I had with QT, but the roles are somewhat reversed - QT is pressuring Artanis in a similar fashion to what I did to him D1 in the last game. Artanis is playing the QT role and QT is judging him based on how well he plays the same scenario he was in. QT finds Artanis' defense to be insufficient and jumps on the dodgy exeunt that an exasperated Artanis made. I missed the beginnings of the fight but having read back multiple spoiler quotes it seems like a bad Town vs. Town right now. QT does seem a little overeager but it's hard to say from what I've seen that he is definitely scum. Might be Blue PR like I was last game doing the same thing to him, but would that be too transparent? Is that the facade he is pushing? I will look into it more when I can. So what makes me bad town rather than mafia here? Why does QT being overeager mean you think he's likely to be blue rather than green/red? Where's that coming from? Also please give complete reads on both of us when you've read up through the entire game. | ||
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On June 26 2016 01:48 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 09:25 Damdred wrote: Like right now I have a small town circle of Super, art, qt, tumble, Damdred D1 pass moosey So already we have a nice schmuck taken out. Why is art town? Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 09:26 Damdred wrote: On June 25 2016 09:25 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 09:22 Damdred wrote: I think art v qt is t v t. Its good though keep it up. Actually, doesn't it look like they are trying to distance from each other? Nope don't think so. But it's a good thought. Keep it up and you can be in the circle So he suggests s v s and all you have to say is this? Why do you leave it at that? If you genuinely think art vs QT is tvt someone suggesting otherwise has to be pressured at least why do you give this up? Pretty sure he's saying that given the fact GB paranoid-thought of Scum vs Scum immediately it's town indicative for him. He considers the paranoia townie. I don't necessarily agree on GB. I don't really have a read on him as of yet. | ||
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On June 26 2016 02:00 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 01:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 01:36 Skynx wrote: Wow Art kinda fucked up hard imo: 20 posts of trolling and fluff followed by this all of a sudden: On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not? On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote: [quote] Awesome joke, 10/10 The puns are getting unbearable already. 5/7, keep growling ftfy This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it. Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK. So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why? On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote: [quote] Who'd you lynch? Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: [quote] No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all. You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so. I believe there's a good chance you're mafia. So this is super weak, it actually reminds me of myself in newbie game going for an easy mislynch. On June 25 2016 09:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 09:01 Tumblewood wrote: On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not? On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: [quote] 5/7, keep growling ftfy This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it. Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK. So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why? On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: [quote] No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: [quote] Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all. You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so. I believe there's a good chance you're mafia. idk what narrative is but this is narrative don't like this read at all, feels forced It's a tone-based read. On June 25 2016 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well I just went through QT's filter on his previous game and apparently he's been lynched a lot. I didn't find anything like the tonally inconsistent thing that I pinged out though, and lynchbait rolls mafia too so eh. Anyway, only a few hours into D1. We'll see what develops. QT expressed that he doesn't like the random voting stage/silliness going on. QT expresses it again. Makes a joke instantly afterwards. None of that is narrative. It's tonally inconsistent. This post is quite bait, he's trying to make up for parts i bolded because they are not one bit indicative of QT being scum. Looks like a panic move. Moosy and Tumble points this out and Art switches to this: On June 25 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hello! I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW. On June 25 2016 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm just going to let someone else deal with you because apparently asking clarifying questions is now scummy and it's very tiring. I actually think you're town but I was trying to UNDERSTAND what was going on there. That's a lot of back and forth there. Your push was a quite serious one, you have to back it up with something or just admit you were trying to bait. Either way, the manner in which you abandon your scumread feels way to panicky to me. On June 25 2016 10:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 09:54 GlowingBear wrote: I'm pretty comfortable to call quick twist town right at the moment. I think Artanis pushes on quick twist are kinda unnatural, but it's mostly a gut feel M8 you're not going to get me mislynched no matter how hard you try. Just give up on the plans before you give yourself away. This is also not ok, if you're gona attack someone please have some basis behind it. GB's posts were all good up to that point, why try to divide the town? 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On June 26 2016 02:04 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 01:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 01:48 Skynx wrote: On June 25 2016 09:25 Damdred wrote: Like right now I have a small town circle of Super, art, qt, tumble, Damdred D1 pass moosey So already we have a nice schmuck taken out. Why is art town? On June 25 2016 09:26 Damdred wrote: On June 25 2016 09:25 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 09:22 Damdred wrote: I think art v qt is t v t. Its good though keep it up. Actually, doesn't it look like they are trying to distance from each other? Nope don't think so. But it's a good thought. Keep it up and you can be in the circle So he suggests s v s and all you have to say is this? Why do you leave it at that? If you genuinely think art vs QT is tvt someone suggesting otherwise has to be pressured at least why do you give this up? Pretty sure he's saying that given the fact GB paranoid-thought of Scum vs Scum immediately it's town indicative for him. He considers the paranoia townie. I don't necessarily agree on GB. I don't really have a read on him as of yet. Well to start I dunno why you try to answer for Damdred. But since you tried; GB's post doesn't sound paranoid 1 bit, he's posting an opinion thats completely opposite of Damdreds and he's ok with that. What do you feel about this and why did you not account for it since you tried to answer for him? Bringing up the idea that it could be scum-scum in itself is paranoid. It's a 'new' idea at the time that came fairly quickly. Was afk at that particular moment I think and when I came back Damdred had already brought it up. It didn't really say anything to me one way or the other and I was preoccupied. | ||
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On June 26 2016 02:22 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 02:00 Skynx wrote: On June 26 2016 01:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 01:36 Skynx wrote: Wow Art kinda fucked up hard imo: 20 posts of trolling and fluff followed by this all of a sudden: On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not? On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote: [quote] 5/7, keep growling ftfy This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it. Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK. So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why? On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: [quote] No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote: On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: [quote] Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all. You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so. I believe there's a good chance you're mafia. So this is super weak, it actually reminds me of myself in newbie game going for an easy mislynch. On June 25 2016 09:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 09:01 Tumblewood wrote: On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [quote] [quote] This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it. Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK. So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why? On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote: [quote] Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote: [quote] I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all. You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so. I believe there's a good chance you're mafia. idk what narrative is but this is narrative don't like this read at all, feels forced It's a tone-based read. On June 25 2016 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well I just went through QT's filter on his previous game and apparently he's been lynched a lot. I didn't find anything like the tonally inconsistent thing that I pinged out though, and lynchbait rolls mafia too so eh. Anyway, only a few hours into D1. We'll see what develops. QT expressed that he doesn't like the random voting stage/silliness going on. QT expresses it again. Makes a joke instantly afterwards. None of that is narrative. It's tonally inconsistent. This post is quite bait, he's trying to make up for parts i bolded because they are not one bit indicative of QT being scum. Looks like a panic move. Moosy and Tumble points this out and Art switches to this: On June 25 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hello! I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW. On June 25 2016 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm just going to let someone else deal with you because apparently asking clarifying questions is now scummy and it's very tiring. I actually think you're town but I was trying to UNDERSTAND what was going on there. That's a lot of back and forth there. Your push was a quite serious one, you have to back it up with something or just admit you were trying to bait. Either way, the manner in which you abandon your scumread feels way to panicky to me. On June 25 2016 10:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 25 2016 09:54 GlowingBear wrote: I'm pretty comfortable to call quick twist town right at the moment. I think Artanis pushes on quick twist are kinda unnatural, but it's mostly a gut feel M8 you're not going to get me mislynched no matter how hard you try. Just give up on the plans before you give yourself away. This is also not ok, if you're gona attack someone please have some basis behind it. GB's posts were all good up to that point, why try to divide the town? So what your case boils down to is I troll some, then I get serious on something that I thought I saw, then after an exchange and some cooling down I no longer believe it makes him scum, then I notice something that I find odd and get a little paranoid and ask for an explanation/understanding, then poking fun at GB whom I know quite well. I actually think you're likely town for trying to case me though. It does look like you believe it. Its amusing how you try to make everything I pointed out sound like what they are not. What happened actually then? What did you think you saw and why you think it doesn't make him scum anymore? I thought I saw an inconsistency in tone/emotion which I felt pretty confident in. Guy kept posting, was tonally consistent in said posts and responded in a way that made me feel like he's probably town. Also, please actually expand upon the bolded sentence. He did not change the way he posts. Your initial "thought I saw inconsistency in tone/emotion" was weak and you should be experienced enough to tell it's not scum indicative, thats just how this guy posts. You perfectly know what i meant with bold part. The way you defend yourself is again weak at best: I claimed your trolly to hard push was way too inconsistent and you say "oh i just though I saw something". No, you clearly thought QT was scum from the way you constructed your posts. Then after you realised its not working out you gave it up saying "oh ok what i saw doesn't make him scum anymore". If you think QT's inconsistency makes him scummy, then how can you objectively believe your behavior is totally fine? You should have at least point out a clear change in behavior in QT's posts, quote them out, construct your way on how he's not scum anymore instead of "I no longer believe it makes him scum". Right now you are not convincing at all. He had one strong inconsistency which was basically the only relevant thing posted at the time. I thought it was significant, but as he kept posting a lot of things came out that were consistent and showed a townie mindset. That's why I've changed my reads. I don't know at all what you mean with it because you accuse me of a bunch of things and I explained them. I thought QT was scum, yes, that's what seeing something means. I 'gave up' because I no longer believed him to be scum. You're the one framing what I've done as scummy, I'm simply explaining my thought process. 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On June 26 2016 03:29 Damdred wrote: I'll hug you abd bounce you on my lap art. Arts town though by activity attitude etc. Plus if he's tricking me letting him live will tire him out rip. | ||
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On June 26 2016 03:52 Tumblewood wrote: ITT: boring people call other boring people boring This game truly is boring. | ||
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On June 26 2016 03:58 Damdred wrote: Thing is idk why tumble has Tt as probably town and me as nukl. It doesn't make a ton of sense.m to me here. Sk is interesting though Super aggro but he's ignoring obvious answers to questions that are just a few posts later so I am feeling wishy washy so far I just don't think scum Skynx has the balls to make that case on me and display that kinda certainty. I might be wrong though since thread sentiment was against me a little. | ||
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On June 26 2016 04:07 Tumblewood wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 22:36 Tictock wrote: On June 25 2016 22:27 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 22:21 Tictock wrote: On June 25 2016 21:28 Superbia wrote: TT lend me your thoughts Almost caughtup. I'd like to know where you are going with Moosy and Jealous. Moosy's entrance feels too much like "hey guys, I'm claiming MAFIA, like I did last game I was TOWN". Feels too fake. I would expect town moosy to actually switch it up instead of doing nearly the same thing as last game. You know I kinda felt the same... It was overblown especially with his interaction with Damdred. I didn't get the same happy go lucky trolling feeling from him either, more like I'm surprised you want to read Jealous based off an "I'm AFK" post. oh hey this is the post super also had a post on moosy that was pretty smart It's still echoing an old read already made by Superbia so eh. On June 26 2016 04:07 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 03:21 QuickTwist wrote: On June 26 2016 03:08 Skynx wrote: On June 26 2016 03:00 QuickTwist wrote: On June 26 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote: On June 26 2016 02:45 QuickTwist wrote: On June 26 2016 02:34 Skynx wrote: On June 26 2016 00:56 QuickTwist wrote: On June 26 2016 00:43 Tictock wrote: On June 26 2016 00:36 QuickTwist wrote: [quote] Fake quote is fake. I don't see a good Town reason to do this. You mean this? On June 25 2016 23:50 Damdred wrote: How am i pushing shitty scum reads again? Why are my townreads super lazy again when i've beat most of the game to the same reads exactly? Nope, I don't mean that, try again. Which one you mean QT you gotta be more clear. All three quotes look fine to me from Damdreds filter. the underlined part. did you catch whos up to misquoting mischief? I'll give you a hint. Its TT. On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote: Mannn I feel like I need to lay down. I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad. Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? ????? Do me a favor and link the post in question. Are you fo real? You said underlined part: On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote: Mannn I feel like I need to lay down. I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad. Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote: Mannn I feel like I need to lay down. I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad. Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? If you don't precisely explain what you mean in the reply I'm just gona assume you're making shit up. Its my mistake (well, TL's really). The post says it was made 19 hours ago on June 25th. Unfortunately I thought that was impossible since the timestamp says 8:00. So I went back to 8:00 AM and could not for the life of me find the quote. That would have been 5 hours ago my time at 8:00 AM. In short, the timestamps don't work like they should at this site. Will go back a check to make sure I am on the right forum time. TL takes korean time as basis but still that's quite agressive for something that would barely change anything. You're reading too much into things. Anyway, Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 10:01 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 09:50 QuickTwist wrote: so lets get this cleared out of the way. Who here thinks Art is Scum reading me based on an assumption of how I play? I want to push this because it sets a valid president on how to read both myself and Art going forward. I hope people can see the reason in this, but I know its likely to get overlooked. I've put my opinion on this, do you have something to say on the matter? cuz I see you totally changed your mind on art's alignment now: + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2016 10:14 QuickTwist wrote: Reads: Tumbleweed - town lean Glowingbeer - null Jealous - hasn't posted emperarechampion - Null Damdruid - Null DoosyMoosy - Null Cheziness - Null Artanis[XD] - Scum lean Jin Valjean - Hasn't posted Tictack - Hasn't posted Skynks - Town lean Supbarbia - Null + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2016 03:32 QuickTwist wrote: Who I will not be voting for: Moosy Damdred TT Art Chez (possibly) He was your only scumread but now one of your most tr's? What made you change your opinion on me and Tumbel? Well, actually you'd just better off just explain that list as a whole He means people he's not voting for mayor. | ||
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On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote: Nothing little Jean Valjean has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. | ||
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Chezinu Town Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Quicktwist Townish Subparbia -power gap- Emperorarechampion Null GlowingBear Jealous MoosyDoosy Mildly leaning mafia Jean Valjean Lean mafia Ticktock | ||
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On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu Town Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Quicktwist Townish Subparbia -power gap- Emperorarechampion Null GlowingBear Jealous MoosyDoosy Mildly leaning mafia Jean Valjean Lean mafia Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. On June 26 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote: Nothing little Jean Valjean has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. | ||
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On June 26 2016 08:14 Damdred wrote: Actually I'd make a great pardoned. Qt would be a solid choice for,mayor imo Given he seems to want to kill me that sounds like a bad idea. Voting myself! | ||
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On June 26 2016 08:27 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu Town Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Quicktwist Townish Subparbia -power gap- Emperorarechampion Null GlowingBear Jealous MoosyDoosy Mildly leaning mafia Jean Valjean Lean mafia Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. On June 26 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote: Nothing little Jean Valjean has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. That's just an objective statement. I have said very little and acknowledged that my contributions would be lacking today. If you want to call me mafia you have to explain why what little I have said is no useful. I am almost certain you are mafia by now. So I'm mafia for applying a reason you called Damdred mafia for onto you? Must mean you're like 110% mafia then, especially since you didn't explain it for Damdred yourself. | ||
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On June 26 2016 08:31 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 08:27 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 26 2016 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu Town Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Quicktwist Townish Subparbia -power gap- Emperorarechampion Null GlowingBear Jealous MoosyDoosy Mildly leaning mafia Jean Valjean Lean mafia Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. On June 26 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote: Nothing little Jean Valjean has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. That's just an objective statement. I have said very little and acknowledged that my contributions would be lacking today. If you want to call me mafia you have to explain why what little I have said is no useful. I am almost certain you are mafia by now. So I'm mafia for applying a reason you called Damdred mafia for onto you? Must mean you're like 110% mafia then, especially since you didn't explain it for Damdred yourself. First of all, I wasn't talking about Damdred, I was talking about Superbia, a player that generally can be fairly helpful. In addition, he has posted three pages of content, something that I clearly haven't done, so the direction of his posts has become clear, while I would argue the direction of my posts is not yet clear. It is unreasonable to call someone mafia for not posting helpful things when he has posted 3 posts in general. If you want to call me mafia for being inactive that's fine, if you think I'm actively lurking and avoiding posting, that's fine too. I just think the rationale you just gave is both unreasonable and opportunistic. I don't believe you think your own reasoning is valid, and that means you must be mafia. I had already forgotten you were talking about Superbia and Damdred because that's how little of an impression it left. I just wanted to rile you up a bit as you were riling up others without doing anything yourself. There is actually a reason I think you're mildly scummy though, and that's in that your 'observations' feel completely useless and I think you're just trying to appear useful with it rather than actually focussing on reading the full game before saying, for one, that Superbia's posts haven't been helpful. I don't understand why you wouldn't just read the entire game, especially one as short as this, before commenting. | ||
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On June 26 2016 08:38 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 08:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 08:31 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 26 2016 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 08:27 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 26 2016 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu Town Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Quicktwist Townish Subparbia -power gap- Emperorarechampion Null GlowingBear Jealous MoosyDoosy Mildly leaning mafia Jean Valjean Lean mafia Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. On June 26 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote: Nothing little Jean Valjean has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. That's just an objective statement. I have said very little and acknowledged that my contributions would be lacking today. If you want to call me mafia you have to explain why what little I have said is no useful. I am almost certain you are mafia by now. So I'm mafia for applying a reason you called Damdred mafia for onto you? Must mean you're like 110% mafia then, especially since you didn't explain it for Damdred yourself. First of all, I wasn't talking about Damdred, I was talking about Superbia, a player that generally can be fairly helpful. In addition, he has posted three pages of content, something that I clearly haven't done, so the direction of his posts has become clear, while I would argue the direction of my posts is not yet clear. It is unreasonable to call someone mafia for not posting helpful things when he has posted 3 posts in general. If you want to call me mafia for being inactive that's fine, if you think I'm actively lurking and avoiding posting, that's fine too. I just think the rationale you just gave is both unreasonable and opportunistic. I don't believe you think your own reasoning is valid, and that means you must be mafia. I had already forgotten you were talking about Superbia and Damdred because that's how little of an impression it left. I just wanted to rile you up a bit as you were riling up others without doing anything yourself. There is actually a reason I think you're mildly scummy though, and that's in that your 'observations' feel completely useless and I think you're just trying to appear useful with it rather than actually focussing on reading the full game before saying, for one, that Superbia's posts haven't been helpful. I don't understand why you wouldn't just read the entire game, especially one as short as this, before commenting. I don't believe the bolded. I have no reason to think you actually had some sort of a plan of "riling me up". You don't know anything about me or my personality, and this all sounds like you're retconning your own story to fit some narrative. Feel free to join the queue of people not believing things that are actually true. I don't like hypocrites, so I called you out on scumreading someone for doing something that was true of you as well. | ||
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On June 26 2016 08:44 Tumblewood wrote: art do you think you've found scum in jean? I dunno. My read from the list post hasn't really changed significantly. | ||
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On June 26 2016 08:45 Damdred wrote: Man art these kids now a days have no respect for me trusting you and super over me tsk It's fine bbygurl, I won't let them do anything stupid <3 | ||
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On June 26 2016 08:48 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 08:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 08:44 Tumblewood wrote: art do you think you've found scum in jean? I dunno. My read from the list post hasn't really changed significantly. That is surprising. Why? | ||
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On June 26 2016 08:53 Damdred wrote: The most interesting thing is besides Tt I think I have solid reasons to tr most people. Jean is null though. Its going to be a long and hard game it seems. There is one reason to tr Jean but idk could be a smurf He is a smurf. On June 26 2016 08:53 Tumblewood wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 08:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 08:44 Tumblewood wrote: art do you think you've found scum in jean? I dunno. My read from the list post hasn't really changed significantly. do you have any read on him based on his tone? it's pretty uncharacteristic of TL. Trying to hide his identity. He's played Hajime before so it's probably an oldschool smurf. Looking at a few posts there it's clear he's got a persona going on there, making tonereads less reliable. All meta aside I'd give him a slight townlean on moving onto the next player in emperor whilst we were discussing me/him and the amount of scumreads he has, averaging him out on null I guess? | ||
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On June 26 2016 18:36 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 17:58 Superbia wrote: On June 26 2016 11:47 Tictock wrote: On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu Town Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Quicktwist Townish Subparbia -power gap- Emperorarechampion Null GlowingBear Jealous MoosyDoosy Mildly leaning mafia Jean Valjean Lean mafia Ticktock Lol, total 180 on QT. Now I'm your main scumread kus I called you and Damdred boring. Good shit. TT. srsly. Did you not read the thread at all? x: I barely skimmed before and I knew art 180d on QT like 20hrs before he made that list. Are you not paying any attention to your scumreads? Yea I saw him drop his scumread, but putting QT in his top 4 town now? That's a pretty big swing in thinking. Also think his read on me is mostly OMGUS and he's throwing out weak meta to try and cover it. Yeah no. If anything, I tend to reverse OMGUS more than anything since I figure mafia is unlikely to go after me as I'm difficult to lynch. This game however, too many people have so I've softened that up a little. I think there's a good chance you're mafia and waivering it away as an OMGUS read doesn't really negate that in the slightest. | ||
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On June 26 2016 12:25 emperorchampion wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 12:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: @emperorchampion, what do you think of Artanis? Have to read up on this guy, null atm I find this really difficult to believe. Probably the most discussed player on D1 and he doesn't have a read on me. Would lynch. | ||
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On June 26 2016 18:40 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 18:26 Superbia wrote: On June 26 2016 18:24 Jean Valjean wrote: I want to chat Superbia. I strongly disagree with you on Artanis. Why do you think he's town? You're slam? Artanis has displayed multiple times throughout this game that he is actively looking at filters from other games to figure out alignments. Showcasing that he wants to, and is, putting actual time into evaluating people's alignments. Also he (probably correctly) re-evaluated on QT, which seemed genuine. Yea I kinda disagree with both these reasons to TR art. Looking into meta is something scum can do to create a read, and I felt like his flip on QT was more so giving up than a re-evaluation. Though I suppose he gave decent reasoning after his flip as to why QT is probably town. You're either really tunneled or really mafia. You ask Super for why he townreads me, then your rebuttal when he brings up points is "well, but people can do this as mafia." No shit, anyone can do anything as mafia. If you're town and actually want to figure out my alignment or reconsider your read, put in some effort. | ||
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On June 26 2016 18:48 Jean Valjean wrote: Because I have trouble believing that Artanis' approach to just about anything this game is even half genuine. In the initial stages he was joking around, but uncharacteristically he wasn't really funny at all. He is a funny guy so it is actually suspicious when he tries to be funny but is only marginally funny. This might mean that he was making jokes not because he felt like making jokes, but rather because he thought it would be a good idea to make jokes for other reasons. Weak, but I can see it. Secondly I liked Skynx's case on Artanis, and I did not like Artanis' response to it. Skynx doesn't prove Artanis is mafia with that case, but he does bring up some justifiable points about Artanis' approach to the game. Most notably the stiffness in his transition from joking to what was a fairly weak attack on QT. I was the first person to actually get the game rolling. I also felt like I saw something and switched gears because of it. I tend to do that in all my games as either alignment. Artanis responded by dismissing the case and throwing a townread Skynx's way, I do not disagree with the sentiment that Skynx looks a lot better for casing Artanis, but the dismissal of the case was done in a way I don't believe a veteran player would dismiss a case. Artanis should have explained why the things he did don't make him mafia, instead of just semi-ridiculing the case. Ridiculing accusations is a sign of weakness. The problem with his case is that it was simply an interpretation of events that could be viewed in multiple ways. I showed him another way and he said I was twisting the case, which I really wasn't since it came down to narrative. Thirdly, he called me out for doing little. As I have already explained, I had no real problem with him throwing a scumread my way, but he did it for the wrong reason. Then afterwards he claimed he had done it to "rile me up" while then also claiming his initial reason was valid. I don't believe Artanis genuinely thinks that he was riling me up. When he made an off-hand comment on me and threw me on a list he was barely targeting me at all and had no idea I would actually respond to him, given my lack of contributions at that point in the game. I think it's much more likely he saw an easy opportunity to sort of call someone out that would possibly not bother to really respond to him, giving him an easy and uncontroversial scumlean. This is all interpretation. I'm playing freely, doing as I please and I usually have fun when I'm playing town. You called out someone which I felt was unjustly so I played the ball back at you. That was the main reason I did it; the very light scumread was because of the reason I stated: commenting on things without having read all of it, and I had already indicated it was very weak. Lastly, Artanis has thrown around townreads with way too much confidence this game. Chezinu, Damdred, Skynx, QT all got pretty hard townreads from him for relatively flimsy reasons. I just have a hard time believing he is actually working through the scenarios to reach a conclusion, feels like he is just throwing something out there and running with it. I explained the Chez read pregame. I've hard townread Damdred since the beginning because he feels like he's playing freely. He gave me a townread and when asked he instantly said it was basically so we wouldn't fight or something to that accord. I just don't think he instantly says something like that as mafia. It indicates he isn't bothered by how people see him. Skynx and QT are newbies and the paranoia and genuineness I see in them I think would be extremely hard to fake for newbies. I'm very confident in both those reads for good reasons. | ||
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On June 26 2016 18:54 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true. So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better. You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments. | ||
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On June 26 2016 18:59 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 18:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 18:40 Tictock wrote: On June 26 2016 18:26 Superbia wrote: On June 26 2016 18:24 Jean Valjean wrote: I want to chat Superbia. I strongly disagree with you on Artanis. Why do you think he's town? You're slam? Artanis has displayed multiple times throughout this game that he is actively looking at filters from other games to figure out alignments. Showcasing that he wants to, and is, putting actual time into evaluating people's alignments. Also he (probably correctly) re-evaluated on QT, which seemed genuine. Yea I kinda disagree with both these reasons to TR art. Looking into meta is something scum can do to create a read, and I felt like his flip on QT was more so giving up than a re-evaluation. Though I suppose he gave decent reasoning after his flip as to why QT is probably town. You're either really tunneled or really mafia. You ask Super for why he townreads me, then your rebuttal when he brings up points is "well, but people can do this as mafia." No shit, anyone can do anything as mafia. If you're town and actually want to figure out my alignment or reconsider your read, put in some effort. I didn't ask him, just responded to his reasons kus I didn't think they are great reasons to TR you. You are right that this interaction is kinda pointless atm though kus we are just beating each other in the head. How about this, who do you think should be Mayor? Me, obviously. | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:04 Jean Valjean wrote: Another problem with the townreads is that you're coming dangerously close to solving the game from your own perspective Artanis. You've hard townread 5 people. In addition in your world clearly you aren't mafia, and if you don't townread me by now you're essentially just proving you're scum. So that's 7 people that can't be mafia. You seemed to be fairly certain superbia isn't scum so that's 8. This leaves your entire pool of mafia as GB, TT, Emperor, Jealous and moosy. Mostly inactive and background players + your favorite tunnel. Moosy is deliberately playing scummy so there's that. Like there is no way I believe you'd so strongly narrow the pool for scum to something so small. I just don't know. I cannot believe this is actually how you think because it's awful. Neither of these are true. Also, even hard townreads can drop off. It's just unlikely. | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:09 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 18:54 Tictock wrote: On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true. So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better. You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments. Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me? Calling me a non-factor is just hurtful + Show Spoiler + and not particularly accurate imo I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though. I think it is true in general. I also think it's true for you in the sense that you're a lot more interesting when you're town than what's currently going on. | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:13 Skynx wrote: Also I don't think we should refer JVJ as smurf unless he confirms. If i were Alakaslam I'd just create another account which takes 5 seconds instead of joining a game as a smurf you already confirmed. He obviously is a smurf. It's possible it's not Slam but at the very least it's someone Slam knows since he had the account which makes him a smurf by any account. I also think it's likely that it actually is Slam since he didn't respond to the comments that it's him at all. | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:15 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement. You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb. The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true. 1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum 2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia. So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be. It's not that hard to kick a puppy that's already being kicked by a few others. Plus, knowing I'm town means I know you're tunneling on town, which has plenty of mafia reasoning behind it. The fact that you're trying so hard to use it as leverage to get townread also diminishes its worth as clearly you're very aware of what you're doing. | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:21 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 19:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 19:09 Tictock wrote: On June 26 2016 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 18:54 Tictock wrote: On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true. So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better. You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments. Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me? Calling me a non-factor is just hurtful + Show Spoiler + and not particularly accurate imo I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though. I think it is true in general. I also think it's true for you in the sense that you're a lot more interesting when you're town than what's currently going on. Yea see this just shows you have no real understanding of my meta... And you're wrong, I'm pretty darned interesting. I know... my mom told me. I remember that in Outlaw you were pretty interesting. In PYP, you were also interesting. I don't think you've rolled scum recently (database is outdated and your last game there is nutcracker) so I don't really have much to compare with on the other side, but this doesn't look like your town game to me. I agree, you're usually interesting. Therefore it is very disappointing that this game you're not | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:23 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 19:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 19:15 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement. You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb. The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true. 1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum 2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia. So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be. It's not that hard to kick a puppy that's already being kicked by a few others. Plus, knowing I'm town means I know you're tunneling on town, which has plenty of mafia reasoning behind it. The fact that you're trying so hard to use it as leverage to get townread also diminishes its worth as clearly you're very aware of what you're doing. I am perfectly aware of what I am doing Artanis, I am very smart. I am also perceptive enough to undestand why what you're doing right now is not logical. For example, when Skynx pushed you with weaker and less coherent reasons, and put less force behind the push than I am doing now, you simply wrote him off as town for the very fact that he wrote a case on you. For some reason I'm not getting the same treatment. If anything, my points are better thought out and more valid than Skynx', so why am I not getting the same treatment? Objectively, I have, in this conversation and the previous one, put you on the defense. How many scum players on TL can put you on defense when you're town? I understand other players do not have to townread me, they're not you. But you, specifically, should really be changing your mind about my alignment right now. Because Skynx is a newbie and you're, as you put it, very smart, and probably have a lot of experience in playing mafia. I use different bars for different players. | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:41 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 19:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 19:23 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 26 2016 19:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 19:15 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement. You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb. The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true. 1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum 2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia. So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be. It's not that hard to kick a puppy that's already being kicked by a few others. Plus, knowing I'm town means I know you're tunneling on town, which has plenty of mafia reasoning behind it. The fact that you're trying so hard to use it as leverage to get townread also diminishes its worth as clearly you're very aware of what you're doing. I am perfectly aware of what I am doing Artanis, I am very smart. I am also perceptive enough to undestand why what you're doing right now is not logical. For example, when Skynx pushed you with weaker and less coherent reasons, and put less force behind the push than I am doing now, you simply wrote him off as town for the very fact that he wrote a case on you. For some reason I'm not getting the same treatment. If anything, my points are better thought out and more valid than Skynx', so why am I not getting the same treatment? Objectively, I have, in this conversation and the previous one, put you on the defense. How many scum players on TL can put you on defense when you're town? I understand other players do not have to townread me, they're not you. But you, specifically, should really be changing your mind about my alignment right now. Because Skynx is a newbie and you're, as you put it, very smart, and probably have a lot of experience in playing mafia. I use different bars for different players. I do like that I managed to put you in a corner where your options were a) call me awesome b) call yourself mafia Anyway, I think I'll leave you for now, but that doesn't mean you're out of danger. You are currently the lynch target for my mayoral campaign, and will remain so. There's two reasons I'm not going to bother with you for a while, the first one is that I need to read up on other players to better flesh out my platform and vision for this game, and secondly it's just mean to run up the score when you're so thoroughly trouncing your opponent. I will probably spite lynch you if you keep this up btw. Your ego's choking out the game. | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:45 Superbia wrote: Art who is jean? You seem to have a fair idea now. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Supersoft given I recall him signing up for a game then /out'ing a little bit ago and I recall him having an ego around this size without the ability to match, all seeming fairly familiar. If it's actually Slam I'll be really really disappointed in him | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:55 Superbia wrote: What about TT art? Still my strongest scumread. Nothing in our exchange made me really reconsider. Asking about who I'd vote for mayor feels like a useless question too, not sure what he was planning on getting out of that when I had already posted my reads. | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:59 Jean Valjean wrote: It looks like we're yet again at odds Artanis! Let's see who had the better reads postgame. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:01 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 19:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 19:55 Superbia wrote: What about TT art? Still my strongest scumread. Nothing in our exchange made me really reconsider. Asking about who I'd vote for mayor feels like a useless question too, not sure what he was planning on getting out of that when I had already posted my reads. Do you feel like scum are wagoning you right now? Both TT and Jean now think you are scum. Are they both mafia aligning? I think the wagon was started by town and there's probably one or two scum on there. I'm mildly leaning town on Jean. Still lynching him. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:03 Superbia wrote: I also think the question "who would you vote for president" is kind of relevant, art. You're not going to be president with so much doubt on you. Eh, you seem to be certain on me being town. Damdred is too afaik and Chez has voted me. That's a start of 4. Tumble also seems to be coming around to me so we'll see. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:06 Superbia wrote: Wasn't TT the first to call you scum? Or one of the first? I think Tumble was actually and QT joined him during the pressuring. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:08 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 20:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 20:03 Superbia wrote: I also think the question "who would you vote for president" is kind of relevant, art. You're not going to be president with so much doubt on you. Eh, you seem to be certain on me being town. Damdred is too afaik and Chez has voted me. That's a start of 4. Tumble also seems to be coming around to me so we'll see. I'm not voting you. x; Why not? You called me super town | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:08 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 20:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 20:01 Superbia wrote: On June 26 2016 19:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 19:55 Superbia wrote: What about TT art? Still my strongest scumread. Nothing in our exchange made me really reconsider. Asking about who I'd vote for mayor feels like a useless question too, not sure what he was planning on getting out of that when I had already posted my reads. Do you feel like scum are wagoning you right now? Both TT and Jean now think you are scum. Are they both mafia aligning? I think the wagon was started by town and there's probably one or two scum on there. I'm mildly leaning town on Jean. Still lynching him. This begs two questions. 1) Who is on the wagon? 2) Who is the townie who started the wagon? And those two should really help us figure out the game from your perspective. Started by Tumble. Joined by QT, GB, [long gap] TT, Skynx, you is what I can gather. MD's also been mildly flailing some suspicion but I have no idea if he actually scumread me or not. Tumble's kinda come around on me, think he's leaning town on me atm. I think TT is likely scum, GB kinda null maybe edging towards scummy by PoE and lack of caring (he has issues being active as scum), and you're leaning town. The others I'm town on. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:14 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 19:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yeah 100% lynching Jean if I become mayor. There is actually no chance he's mafia you know right? There is a chance. Mostly I just want him out of the game if he's going to be a dick. On June 26 2016 20:10 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 20:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 20:08 Superbia wrote: On June 26 2016 20:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 20:03 Superbia wrote: I also think the question "who would you vote for president" is kind of relevant, art. You're not going to be president with so much doubt on you. Eh, you seem to be certain on me being town. Damdred is too afaik and Chez has voted me. That's a start of 4. Tumble also seems to be coming around to me so we'll see. I'm not voting you. x; Why not? You called me super town There are towns that doubt you, which makes me question my read to a degree. Also I would make a way better president. That feels like really weak reasoning. Surely what matters is their reasoning and not their read? What in their reasoning resonated or made you doubt? | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:18 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 20:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 20:08 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 26 2016 20:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 20:01 Superbia wrote: On June 26 2016 19:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 19:55 Superbia wrote: What about TT art? Still my strongest scumread. Nothing in our exchange made me really reconsider. Asking about who I'd vote for mayor feels like a useless question too, not sure what he was planning on getting out of that when I had already posted my reads. Do you feel like scum are wagoning you right now? Both TT and Jean now think you are scum. Are they both mafia aligning? I think the wagon was started by town and there's probably one or two scum on there. I'm mildly leaning town on Jean. Still lynching him. This begs two questions. 1) Who is on the wagon? 2) Who is the townie who started the wagon? And those two should really help us figure out the game from your perspective. Started by Tumble. Joined by QT, GB, [long gap] TT, Skynx, you is what I can gather. MD's also been mildly flailing some suspicion but I have no idea if he actually scumread me or not. Tumble's kinda come around on me, think he's leaning town on me atm. I think TT is likely scum, GB kinda null maybe edging towards scummy by PoE and lack of caring (he has issues being active as scum), and you're leaning town. The others I'm town on. Elaborate as much on GB as you can please. That would be supremely helpful. There's not really much to elaborate on. He hasn't really done much this game other than troll in the start, and make a few observations without any backing. He hopped on the Artanis is scum wagon after a few others did, called QT town after a few others did, kinda attacked emperor for shitty reasons (wanting to vote good likely town over bad confirmed town) though the followup on it is alright. There's nothing that screams he's mafia in his filter, in fact reading the emperor stuff in his filter now makes me slightly lean town on him. Seems to be evaluating the game later on. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:20 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 20:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 20:14 Skynx wrote: On June 26 2016 19:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yeah 100% lynching Jean if I become mayor. There is actually no chance he's mafia you know right? There is a chance. Mostly I just want him out of the game if he's going to be a dick. On June 26 2016 20:10 Superbia wrote: On June 26 2016 20:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 20:08 Superbia wrote: On June 26 2016 20:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 20:03 Superbia wrote: I also think the question "who would you vote for president" is kind of relevant, art. You're not going to be president with so much doubt on you. Eh, you seem to be certain on me being town. Damdred is too afaik and Chez has voted me. That's a start of 4. Tumble also seems to be coming around to me so we'll see. I'm not voting you. x; Why not? You called me super town There are towns that doubt you, which makes me question my read to a degree. Also I would make a way better president. That feels like really weak reasoning. Surely what matters is their reasoning and not their read? What in their reasoning resonated or made you doubt? Enough not to vote for you for president. Surely you would not be comfortable voting someone for president who's read scum by half the players. You're a subject to be studied. ;p I'd be 100% fine to vote myself as mayor here in your shoes because you know me better than most. Most people scumreading me barely/don't know me. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:28 Jean Valjean wrote: Also I contest the statement I am a dick. I have been very polite in the way I've pushed you Artanis, I've used mature language and thoroughly explained my read all the way along. The only reason you think I am a dick is because you're on the wrong end of a ten ton lynching machine, that is always uncomfortable. I am justice, not spite. Nah, the reason I think you're a dick is because of the gloating and all the other things surrounding the push. Trying to make someone say that you're smart is pointless meandering that only serves to boost your ego. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:41 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 20:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I could also make statements such as "I've clearly put in a tonne of effort and thought into the game which means you have to townread me or claim scum", but it's just.. dickish. It really is. No it's not, because it's accurate. The statement is made to push an agenda. It's based on a fleshed out idea of how good you are at the game and how I assume you would respond to certain points and ideas. It's also designed to put you in an uncomfortable situation with very few outs, not because I am a dick, but because I am actively investigating your alignment. Yes, if I think you're mafia I will push you around. That is a quality in me you should embrace, not bemoan, but I guess I also harder to appreciate when you're the butt of the joke. The reason you can't make the same statement back at me is because you cannot back it up. You do not have any kind of a case against me, and thus it would make no sense. I forgive you Artanis, I think you're a good person, I just think you're mafia. It's not going to help you achieve anything. Clearly you haven't learned anything from it. I also feel like I could make a sincere argument about how if you're smart, you'd have realized I'm town by now. Fact is, despite knowing you're wrong I also know that it is possible, even for smart people to misread me. I may think that my alignment is the most obvious thing in the world (I do) but the fact that people aren't reading me that way makes it clear that it isn't the case. I can point to the fact that my filter is far longer than my scumgames tend to be, that I'm putting in effort to reading people's meta and investigating other people's games which I never do as mafia and that apparently since you've got experience you should know these things... but I don't consider that a convincing argument. If it was that easy to read people, Town's winrate would be soaring high. The fact that you think that, especially since you're a smurf that doesn't have any checkable meta for that reason, you should be hard townread for what you've done at that point is delusional. You're likely town at this point, but by no means a lock. | ||
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I've ended up claiming jailkeeper D1 because of a shitty clue. I've been almost lynched more than a few times. People scumread me for failing to meet their expectations all the time, because people have this idea that people with strong reputations are never wrong. No, we just don't get stuck on reads as much (Rayn excepting). Most strong town players re-evaluate a lot. See Marv, see Palmar, even Koshi does. | ||
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I'd advise looking into TT and the people who have been fairly absent. Maaybe Superbia. As for Jean, I've already told you exactly why I think TT is mafia. ##Vote Jean Valjean | ||
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On June 26 2016 23:59 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 20:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 20:08 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 26 2016 20:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 20:01 Superbia wrote: On June 26 2016 19:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 26 2016 19:55 Superbia wrote: What about TT art? Still my strongest scumread. Nothing in our exchange made me really reconsider. Asking about who I'd vote for mayor feels like a useless question too, not sure what he was planning on getting out of that when I had already posted my reads. Do you feel like scum are wagoning you right now? Both TT and Jean now think you are scum. Are they both mafia aligning? I think the wagon was started by town and there's probably one or two scum on there. I'm mildly leaning town on Jean. Still lynching him. This begs two questions. 1) Who is on the wagon? 2) Who is the townie who started the wagon? And those two should really help us figure out the game from your perspective. Started by Tumble. Joined by QT, GB, [long gap] TT, Skynx, you is what I can gather. MD's also been mildly flailing some suspicion but I have no idea if he actually scumread me or not. Tumble's kinda come around on me, think he's leaning town on me atm. I think TT is likely scum, GB kinda null maybe edging towards scummy by PoE and lack of caring (he has issues being active as scum), and you're leaning town. The others I'm town on. Auto-lynching you for this. Read further. I ended up semi-townreading you after reading your filter. | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:10 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 00:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I expect an apology after I flip town. Art you've just said that I am not caring for the game and that I have a bad time to be active as scum. The first part is a lie, I'm very interested I the game and I already have a strong opinion on players, and the second part is true only after day 1s, but is also true for town. You're calling me scum for lies, man. You could've just read me? You have not cared for the game so far D1. Most of your posts were about being drunk or about having slept 18 hours. You didn't really become active in any way until you engaged Emperor, which I hadn't really read properly until I iso'd you. The second part is definitely more true for you than most, and I figure that you're more likely to fall of even on D1 as scum than as town. I threw out a few quick reads dude. I gave reads on like 5 people in 3 minutes based on when they hopped on my wagon. | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:10 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 00:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm very tired of everyone tunneling onto me for poor reasoning and twisting everything I say to fit the view that they've already created on me and never reconsider. Just lynch me D1 so that you can get to actually finding mafia. I'd advise looking into TT and the people who have been fairly absent. Maaybe Superbia. As for Jean, I've already told you exactly why I think TT is mafia. ##Vote Jean Valjean You want to put the person in power who wants to kill you? .. seriously? Yeah. Then he can stop tunneling me and I can get out of the game where half the game is tunneling me, forcing them to actually hunt for scum. | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:14 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 00:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 00:10 Superbia wrote: On June 27 2016 00:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm very tired of everyone tunneling onto me for poor reasoning and twisting everything I say to fit the view that they've already created on me and never reconsider. Just lynch me D1 so that you can get to actually finding mafia. I'd advise looking into TT and the people who have been fairly absent. Maaybe Superbia. As for Jean, I've already told you exactly why I think TT is mafia. ##Vote Jean Valjean You want to put the person in power who wants to kill you? .. seriously? Yeah. Then he can stop tunneling me and I can get out of the game where half the game is tunneling me, forcing them to actually hunt for scum. Why do you want to put the person in power who is at best wrong? I think he's likely town and if he is, mafia will likely want to kill him. | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:18 Superbia wrote: Why would mafia want to kill him? Most experienced player in the game that everyone and their mom is townreading. | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:26 Superbia wrote: Unsure on Damdred. Very unsure on Art given his last few posts, though I'm prone to stick with my earlier read on him (which is town). By proxy I'm also iffy on TT. He has been more aggro this game than I expect from him d1. Outside of those interesting players I would say: Moosy should die. EC should die. Lol. TT/Super/one of the AFK's. Calling it. | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:35 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 00:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 00:26 Superbia wrote: On June 27 2016 00:24 GlowingBear wrote: Superbia, what are your reads? Unsure on Damdred. Very unsure on Art given his last few posts, though I'm prone to stick with my earlier read on him (which is town). By proxy I'm also iffy on TT. He has been more aggro this game than I expect from him d1. Outside of those interesting players I would say: Moosy should die. EC should die. Lol. TT/Super/one of the AFK's. Calling it. Really now? Why? Why did I not hop on your wagon if I was mafia? Why do scum townread lynchbait sometimes? You probably expected me to crawl out of the hole, which should've happened but for some reason didn't. | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:35 Superbia wrote: And since I did not, why am I not hard defending you for credz? Getting called out for TMI? | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:38 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 00:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 00:35 Superbia wrote: And since I did not, why am I not hard defending you for credz? Getting called out for TMI? Why? I think I had pretty decent reasons to call you town. Oh well. Do what you want. Yeah, and you're abandoning the strong sense, potentially to make sure the lynch on me goes through now that it looks realistic. On June 27 2016 00:38 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 00:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 00:14 Superbia wrote: On June 27 2016 00:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 00:10 Superbia wrote: On June 27 2016 00:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm very tired of everyone tunneling onto me for poor reasoning and twisting everything I say to fit the view that they've already created on me and never reconsider. Just lynch me D1 so that you can get to actually finding mafia. I'd advise looking into TT and the people who have been fairly absent. Maaybe Superbia. As for Jean, I've already told you exactly why I think TT is mafia. ##Vote Jean Valjean You want to put the person in power who wants to kill you? .. seriously? Yeah. Then he can stop tunneling me and I can get out of the game where half the game is tunneling me, forcing them to actually hunt for scum. Why do you want to put the person in power who is at best wrong? I think he's likely town and if he is, mafia will likely want to kill him. This is not incorrect, as mafia can never lynch me. My greatest strength in mafia is that I can beat people into submission with arguments and words, but I'm also perceptive enough to understand my potential weakness. I would love if you could play around the tunneling part. The one thing I can ask of you is that you clearly indicate your number one scumread (ticktock, I suppose?) and that you build a good, readable case on him that can be reposted and referenced easily farther down the line in the game. The best case scenario is that your case proves you're not mafia and you avoid the lynch, but a close alternative is that even if myself, and a number of other players you think are town, are completely wrong on you and you flip town, you have left something that we can use in the following days to right the ship. No matter if you get lynched you still have a responsibility to try to win the game for your faction, and if your faction is town, you should work on creating a case that town can get behind, either today, or the following days after you're gone. My weakness is that I am not always right, I can be wrong, and it can be very difficult to be wrong for such a strong leader as myself, so I need other players to keep me in check. Yeah we get it, you're god's gift to mafia. And you're extremely wrong on me. I've already built my case on TT, there isn't really that much more to go on than what I've said. It's not a lock scum read, but I feel somewhat confident in it. I've already put a tonne of time into this game, and I don't feel a responsibility to put in even more. There's plenty to read in my filter that clearly both makes me town and works on finding out people's alignments. | ||
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GB what's your read on TT? | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:26 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 04:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm also still mildly against an EC lynch since my cursory glance at his other game he played showed some similarities iirc. The one where he was mafia? x; Oh then it was dissimilarities. I just remember coming off reading his other filter with a mild townread on him this game. | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:28 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 04:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Back and sorta caught up. Will get head out of ass now that people have stopped tunneling me. GB what's your read on TT? I didn't really care much for him. I ignored most of his posts. But considering how solid his scum play tends to be, I have a gut feeling that he might be town. But objectively null. Can you read his filter for me? | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:31 Damdred wrote: Why am I not even being considered for pardoner when I an the best person ons ite finding town and actually being right? Literally I am the most level headed and incapable of omgus for a long time. Get me pardoner and gb mayor. I'd be fine with it. Just not sure you'll get enough support anyway. | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:36 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 04:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 04:31 Damdred wrote: Why am I not even being considered for pardoner when I an the best person ons ite finding town and actually being right? Literally I am the most level headed and incapable of omgus for a long time. Get me pardoner and gb mayor. I'd be fine with it. Just not sure you'll get enough support anyway. Kinda sad isn't it? Eh I'm kinda fine with both Jean and Tumble getting it too. Pretty confident in both being town atm. | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:42 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 04:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 04:36 Damdred wrote: On June 27 2016 04:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 04:31 Damdred wrote: Why am I not even being considered for pardoner when I an the best person ons ite finding town and actually being right? Literally I am the most level headed and incapable of omgus for a long time. Get me pardoner and gb mayor. I'd be fine with it. Just not sure you'll get enough support anyway. Kinda sad isn't it? Eh I'm kinda fine with both Jean and Tumble getting it too. Pretty confident in both being town atm. Nobody has faith in me anymore: ( But Dammy, I do have faith in you! You're still one of my strongest townreads, it's just not a big enough difference and not enough people share my opinion to really push for it. | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:45 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 23:57 Tictock wrote: I'm thinking we should try our best to make today's vote a 7v6. If we let things get too split or try to do last min shenanigans it will give scum potential to move votes into a position that gives them a mayoral role. This actually becomes pretty simple today if people can agree I'm clearly the best pardoner. Then we can focus on who should be mayor and who should be the D1 lynch (so basically everyone focus on a townread and scumread and see which we best agree on). I might be overthinking this, but today's vote is actually fairly important and can prob secure a town victory if we play it right. Art I just saw this post and I really like it. His other posts before this aren't really alignment indicative in my opinion. It's just... Lazy... Why do you like it? It's talking about setup only and is one of the posts I dislike because he had done like nothing so far and instead of focussing on developing reads he was doing.. that. | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:53 GlowingBear wrote: Skimmed the rest of his filter, nothing stood out as scummy. I think his suspicions on you and Damdy are okay, I found myself being suspicious of you and damdy from times to times too. But I just remind myself that I may be having paranoia That sounds like you don't scumread me anymore. Didn't you still have me leaning scummy earlier? | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:56 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 04:50 Damdred wrote: On June 27 2016 04:45 GlowingBear wrote: On June 25 2016 23:57 Tictock wrote: I'm thinking we should try our best to make today's vote a 7v6. If we let things get too split or try to do last min shenanigans it will give scum potential to move votes into a position that gives them a mayoral role. This actually becomes pretty simple today if people can agree I'm clearly the best pardoner. Then we can focus on who should be mayor and who should be the D1 lynch (so basically everyone focus on a townread and scumread and see which we best agree on). I might be overthinking this, but today's vote is actually fairly important and can prob secure a town victory if we play it right. Art I just saw this post and I really like it. His other posts before this aren't really alignment indicative in my opinion. It's just... Lazy... This post is so easy for either alignment to make though. Like really nai Although it's easy, it's not Mafia's best interest to convince town to do this. In other words, it doesn't follow a scum agenda. This is exactly the kind of post you want to make as mafia though, and he didn't push through the idea at all either after dropping it. Anyway case on TT I made boiled down to: On June 26 2016 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2016 18:54 Tictock wrote: On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true. So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better. You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments. | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:57 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 04:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 04:53 GlowingBear wrote: Skimmed the rest of his filter, nothing stood out as scummy. I think his suspicions on you and Damdy are okay, I found myself being suspicious of you and damdy from times to times too. But I just remind myself that I may be having paranoia That sounds like you don't scumread me anymore. Didn't you still have me leaning scummy earlier? Your emotional reactions are giving me pause to the scum lean. It bothers me that this is the reason people townread me now. Put a bunch of effort in to figure out the game, get scumread. Get pissed people keep tunneling, get townread. Mafia sucks | ||
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June 26 2016 20:04 GMT
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On June 27 2016 04:59 Jealous wrote: Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler + Pretty weak play so far. Has only posted one or two substantiated reads. This quote from him sums it up: "like, there's playing the game, and then there's trying to solve the game. most of us are just playing the game right now..." Don't like him so far, but not enough to say he's scum. GlowingBear: + Show Spoiler + Some decent posts questioning people. A lot of fluff otherwise. Asking to be mayor over and over without giving any reasoning as to why he should be one. Somehow has garnered a lot of support despite not being wholly convincing to me. Only one real good post explaining his reads. If he wasn't pushing so hard to be mayor without any real foundation, I would townlean on him. Jealous: + Show Spoiler + I'm VT. emperorchampion: + Show Spoiler + Very weak start to the game but made a goost post @Jean, which I liked. Overall I'm not very impressed with his play so far, but he hasn't said anything that seemed outright scummy, so I have him as null for now. Damdred: + Show Spoiler + Weak reads, hasn't contributed much of anything at all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=23#459 This post is suspect because he gets on the defensive while saying that there is "no real reason" for him being scumpushed, but has done nothing in the game up to that point, which to me is reason enough. Later on he gets pressured more, and again says there is no reason to scumread him even though yet again he hasn't contribute much of anything. Gives detailed reads under pressure and they do not impress. Does reads based on "tone" and stuff like that. Tries to jump on me for a policy lynch, then posts this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=41#807 Trying to be objective about it, I think is a horrible post. I answered a question directly to the best of my ability and he disqualifies it because I have no experience playing with Artanis? Also uses this as an opportunity to further support his QT town read that he has been pushing from the start. A few posts later, he is convinced that I am scum and not just inactive as I said I would be, all based off of one post. Although, apparently moves me to "lower null" just a few minutes ago. Makes a late push for pardoner? On what basis? -_- Definite scum lean. MoosyDoosy: + Show Spoiler + Super trolly as always, which I hate that he can get away with every game (according to what some veterans have said so far). Impossible to read and thus not a benefit to town so far. Chezinu: + Show Spoiler + Has contributed the least of all besides MoosyDoosy. Hard to read off of that, but necessitates a mild scum lean from me. Artanis[Xp]: + Show Spoiler + A few jokey posts at the start of the game, with some weak/fake reads. I don't personally like that style of play but I wouldn't send him to the gallows for it (if I were to do so, Moosy would go first). I can actually understand his push on QT, as QT himself said he plays "oddly" and that seems to get him into trouble D1. I wish QT would play less "odd." It wouldn't cause situations like this one. QT's case was pretty weak in my opinion but because he isn't the type to let it go, Artanis was forced into a defensive position (seems like he doesn't like giving up either, even though he eventually did). Overall I'd have to say Artanis reacted pretty normally to the situation. After that, I feel that he has been active and trying to push the game forward, albeit using too much meta, history, and "tone" for my liking. His play vs. Jean and @TT, I can't entirely agree with, but he's trying. He's town to me. More to come. I can see Damdred's response there coming from town pretty easily. I honestly was like "what, I'm dumb town here?" at first. I can see why he'd come to the conclusion he did. | ||
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On June 27 2016 05:03 Damdred wrote: Art is everyone right saying I haven't done anything this gane? I've felt I have taken a stance on everything,this game so far and have opinions that are clearly stated throughout? Some opinions that are quite contrary to sentiment. Idk If I'm honest you haven't done anything that really stood out in the sense that people notice. I think you were the first to call my exchange with qt town vs town. To me, there's just a bunch of observations/things you've said that I just don't think you do as town, like On June 25 2016 09:22 Damdred wrote: I think art v qt is t v t. Its good though keep it up. Stating he thinks it's town vs town, but encourages us to keep going. Completely not worried about how he's read. This is an exchange I just don't think you have as mafia: On June 25 2016 07:15 Damdred wrote: Art can be small town as well who u will spite lynch in lylo On June 25 2016 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 07:15 Damdred wrote: Art can be small town as well who u will spite lynch in lylo What's got you townreading me mr. Ian sir? Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 07:19 Skynx wrote: On June 25 2016 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh shit the Ottoman Empire used mostly red in their flag as well. Guess you can't do what you promise without killing yourself Almost every flag i can think of has a bit of red in it. True but your flag has like a lot of it. On June 25 2016 08:20 Damdred wrote: Let me be honest with you qt. Ignore moosey for all of d1, he automatically tries to do strange things d1 do no matter alignment he can survive till d2. Anyway art just easier to be on your good side atn Since then I just haven't really paid that close attention to your posts since I feel I know what you are and most of your posts have been facilitating/interacting from what I can tell. | ||
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June 26 2016 20:25 GMT
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On June 27 2016 05:19 Superbia wrote: Jealous that felt forced. Like you didn't want to give your reads because you believe in them or you want to pursue them. But it feels like you're giving them to seem town. I don't really agree with that. Jean gave him a pretty hard townread and no one's really pressured him into giving reads. | ||
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June 26 2016 20:49 GMT
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On June 27 2016 05:46 Jean Valjean wrote: Superbia is slipping farther into mafia territory while he continues being utterly pointless. As just a random thought, apparently Jealous isn't aware that GlowingBear claimed a blue role. This doesn't mean much, but it means it's slightly less likely they're both mafia, and it's a weird thing to miss if you're mafia. But who knows. I'm not lynching Jealous any time soon anyway, I think. As much as I hate having to do it, I'm lynching Moosy if I become the mayor. I have no reason to think he flips mafia except the one I gave earlier about how he should be one based on logic. The problem is Moosy is a very selfish person and completely willing to ruin the fun of 13 people just so he can have his own fun. He doesn't try to win games as town, he is more interested in entertaining himself. We need to lynch him. It's not a great lynch, it's not one that's particularly likely to get us mafia. I hope he gets banned after literally playing against his win condition this game. So that's where I am at. [2] | ||
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June 26 2016 20:51 GMT
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June 26 2016 20:55 GMT
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On June 27 2016 05:53 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 05:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't want emperor to get lynched I don't think. Pretty sure he's one of the first to cast doubt on Jean and I have a hard time seeing newbie scum do that. This is a valid point, although his casting doubt on me was never followed up on, nor was it particularly well aimed. But yes, I had the same thought earlier. I see where you're getting at but I feel it would be suicidal for mafia to do just that. From what I scrolled through he didn't seem like a lemming last game. | ||
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June 26 2016 20:57 GMT
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On June 27 2016 05:54 Damdred wrote: Lynch Tt Jean blah He won't do it and we can lynch TT later anyway. TT actually becomes more readable later on and dunno if MD does so I don't mind the shot. | ||
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June 26 2016 20:59 GMT
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On June 27 2016 05:58 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 05:58 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 27 2016 05:58 Superbia wrote: Literally -> I think moosy is scum. I have been pushing on moosy beginning of d1 -> I think super is scum. This is the guy you all want as pres. I think you're mafia. I don't think moosy is mafia. Then lynch me and agree to get lynched tomorrow. I fucking dare you. Him being wrong on you wouldn't make him mafia though. He was wrong on me for a long time. | ||
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On June 25 2016 22:36 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 22:27 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 22:21 Tictock wrote: On June 25 2016 21:28 Superbia wrote: TT lend me your thoughts Almost caughtup. I'd like to know where you are going with Moosy and Jealous. Moosy's entrance feels too much like "hey guys, I'm claiming MAFIA, like I did last game I was TOWN". Feels too fake. I would expect town moosy to actually switch it up instead of doing nearly the same thing as last game. You know I kinda felt the same... It was overblown especially with his interaction with Damdred. I didn't get the same happy go lucky trolling feeling from him either, more like I'm surprised you want to read Jealous based off an "I'm AFK" post. On June 26 2016 00:40 Tictock wrote: I could go with a yolo team of Art/Damdred/Moosy Though my gut feeling isn't so strong on Moosy atm ... (wasn't digging his opening though). Looks pretty bad to me. Soft scumming a scum whilst pushing others. The first post is one of the only ones actually addressing MD. That said, there wasn't much to go off on anyway so there is that. | ||
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June 26 2016 21:14 GMT
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Second one also kinda deflecting on the MD read. | ||
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June 26 2016 21:16 GMT
#1072
On June 25 2016 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 08:19 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: On June 25 2016 08:11 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 08:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: I READ THE FIRST TWO PAGES QUICKTIWST IS LIKELY TOWN I only had two posts in the first two pages of the game, here they are: On June 25 2016 06:22 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 06:20 Tumblewood wrote: On June 25 2016 06:14 QuickTwist wrote: Sub is different so far from what I remember of him early last game. He's more serious and not as prominently trolly. you mean that in the last game he was more serious, right? do you glean anything from the trolling or no? No, I mean last time he said stuff like "first one to hard claim gets a free pass today" and I don't see him doing that here. Also his big huge letters was a little over the top IMO. On June 25 2016 06:28 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 06:22 QuickTwist wrote: On June 25 2016 06:20 Tumblewood wrote: On June 25 2016 06:14 QuickTwist wrote: Sub is different so far from what I remember of him early last game. He's more serious and not as prominently trolly. you mean that in the last game he was more serious, right? do you glean anything from the trolling or no? No, I mean last time he said stuff like "first one to hard claim Mafia gets a free pass today" and I don't see him doing that here. Also his big huge letters was a little over the top IMO. EBWOP How are you getting a town read on me because of that? A. I'm Mafia so I have perfect information and know you rolled town. B. You're going right to the scum hunting like last game and you ahve same tone as last game although it seems you're more willing ot tkae a step back after what happened last game which is why you're deciding to be more observant rather than active htis game amirite? How do I know you are not more aware of this as being Mafia? That's why I put point A. I'm Mafia and you're not on my team so you're obv town! MD is the kind of player that would make comments like this that are 100% true and laughs to himself about it. Kinda reinforces my already strong TR on QT. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 26 2016 21:20 GMT
#1077
On June 27 2016 06:18 Jealous wrote: Very nice. I'm glad MoosyDoosy shenanigans failed him in this game. Glad I came around to vote for Jean. + Show Spoiler [Extreme paranoia] + I will have to examine MoosyDoosy vs. Jean for fear of this being a legendary bus. I'm going to worry about that only by the time we hit LYLO. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 26 2016 21:25 GMT
#1078
Chezinu Town Quicktwist Jean Valjean Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Townish GlowingBear -power gap- Jealous Emperorarechampion Mildly leaning mafia Superbia Lean mafia Ticktock | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 26 2016 21:34 GMT
#1082
On June 27 2016 06:33 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 06:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu Town Quicktwist Jean Valjean Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Townish GlowingBear -power gap- Jealous Emperorarechampion Mildly leaning mafia Superbia Lean mafia Ticktock Could you elaborate on why Chezinu is such a strong townread for you? I didn't see anything in his filter that would make me townread him, especially not so strongly. Start of my filter | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 26 2016 21:40 GMT
#1085
On June 27 2016 06:36 Damdred wrote: Art I think w should move jealous up into the probably town. Had a thought about him and his moosey read. Jean had a decent shot being mayor and lynching moosey wouldn't be a bad play to hard bus moosey there. Instead he gives a pretty good rationale read of a null. Also even though moosey was about to flip scum he continued to give us reads because he had them, done. Its kind of weak and,maybe a bit dumb but I think he's town now. Why is sk so High again? I thought he was town already but yeah that's good reasoning. Skynx is that high because of his case on me which I find difficult to come from newbie scum. On June 27 2016 06:38 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 06:33 Jealous wrote: On June 27 2016 06:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu Town Quicktwist Jean Valjean Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Townish GlowingBear -power gap- Jealous Emperorarechampion Mildly leaning mafia Superbia Lean mafia Ticktock Could you elaborate on why Chezinu is such a strong townread for you? I didn't see anything in his filter that would make me townread him, especially not so strongly. Start of my filter To me this makes the rest of your reads feel diluted if you are mixing in joke reads into them. What are your true feelings about Chezinu's filter? I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 26 2016 21:47 GMT
#1089
On June 27 2016 06:42 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 06:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 06:36 Damdred wrote: Art I think w should move jealous up into the probably town. Had a thought about him and his moosey read. Jean had a decent shot being mayor and lynching moosey wouldn't be a bad play to hard bus moosey there. Instead he gives a pretty good rationale read of a null. Also even though moosey was about to flip scum he continued to give us reads because he had them, done. Its kind of weak and,maybe a bit dumb but I think he's town now. Why is sk so High again? I thought he was town already but yeah that's good reasoning. Skynx is that high because of his case on me which I find difficult to come from newbie scum. On June 27 2016 06:38 Jealous wrote: On June 27 2016 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 06:33 Jealous wrote: On June 27 2016 06:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu Town Quicktwist Jean Valjean Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Townish GlowingBear -power gap- Jealous Emperorarechampion Mildly leaning mafia Superbia Lean mafia Ticktock Could you elaborate on why Chezinu is such a strong townread for you? I didn't see anything in his filter that would make me townread him, especially not so strongly. Start of my filter To me this makes the rest of your reads feel diluted if you are mixing in joke reads into them. What are your true feelings about Chezinu's filter? I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. No offense, but I find bias to be a poor mentality for this sort of game. Let me rephrase the question - What are your objective thoughts on Chezinu's filter? In other words, if you were not his friend, what would you make of his participation so far? I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 26 2016 21:51 GMT
#1094
On June 27 2016 06:50 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 06:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 06:42 Jealous wrote: On June 27 2016 06:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 06:36 Damdred wrote: Art I think w should move jealous up into the probably town. Had a thought about him and his moosey read. Jean had a decent shot being mayor and lynching moosey wouldn't be a bad play to hard bus moosey there. Instead he gives a pretty good rationale read of a null. Also even though moosey was about to flip scum he continued to give us reads because he had them, done. Its kind of weak and,maybe a bit dumb but I think he's town now. Why is sk so High again? I thought he was town already but yeah that's good reasoning. Skynx is that high because of his case on me which I find difficult to come from newbie scum. On June 27 2016 06:38 Jealous wrote: On June 27 2016 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 06:33 Jealous wrote: On June 27 2016 06:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu Town Quicktwist Jean Valjean Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Townish GlowingBear -power gap- Jealous Emperorarechampion Mildly leaning mafia Superbia Lean mafia Ticktock Could you elaborate on why Chezinu is such a strong townread for you? I didn't see anything in his filter that would make me townread him, especially not so strongly. Start of my filter To me this makes the rest of your reads feel diluted if you are mixing in joke reads into them. What are your true feelings about Chezinu's filter? I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. No offense, but I find bias to be a poor mentality for this sort of game. Let me rephrase the question - What are your objective thoughts on Chezinu's filter? In other words, if you were not his friend, what would you make of his participation so far? I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. I don't like this answer ): Objectively analyzing a filter and sharing your conclusions would be to the benefit of the town, and you are dodging the responsibility. I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 26 2016 22:15 GMT
#1104
On June 27 2016 07:13 Chezinu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 06:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 06:50 Jealous wrote: On June 27 2016 06:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 06:42 Jealous wrote: On June 27 2016 06:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 06:36 Damdred wrote: Art I think w should move jealous up into the probably town. Had a thought about him and his moosey read. Jean had a decent shot being mayor and lynching moosey wouldn't be a bad play to hard bus moosey there. Instead he gives a pretty good rationale read of a null. Also even though moosey was about to flip scum he continued to give us reads because he had them, done. Its kind of weak and,maybe a bit dumb but I think he's town now. Why is sk so High again? I thought he was town already but yeah that's good reasoning. Skynx is that high because of his case on me which I find difficult to come from newbie scum. On June 27 2016 06:38 Jealous wrote: On June 27 2016 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 06:33 Jealous wrote: On June 27 2016 06:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu Town Quicktwist Jean Valjean Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Townish GlowingBear -power gap- Jealous Emperorarechampion Mildly leaning mafia Superbia Lean mafia Ticktock Could you elaborate on why Chezinu is such a strong townread for you? I didn't see anything in his filter that would make me townread him, especially not so strongly. Start of my filter To me this makes the rest of your reads feel diluted if you are mixing in joke reads into them. What are your true feelings about Chezinu's filter? I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. No offense, but I find bias to be a poor mentality for this sort of game. Let me rephrase the question - What are your objective thoughts on Chezinu's filter? In other words, if you were not his friend, what would you make of his participation so far? I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. I don't like this answer ): Objectively analyzing a filter and sharing your conclusions would be to the benefit of the town, and you are dodging the responsibility. I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. Think he is jealous? He might be.. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 08:08 GMT
#1147
On June 27 2016 15:00 Superbia wrote: If there's a cop check between TT and damd btw. Maaaybe Artanis. Wait, so from your top townread I'm now your 3rd scummiest player? Can you explain how this happened? And why is this happening? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 08:14 GMT
#1148
And now that many people came around on me, you put me in as your 3rd favoured check (and therefore presumably 3rd scummiest player). I find that very odd. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 08:42 GMT
#1152
On June 27 2016 17:22 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 17:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You're having the opposite read development as town which is weird to begin with, but you also said when I asked you earlier why you were less certain on me that it was because other people were scumreading me, yet your townread was strongest when I was still being scumread by many. And now that many people came around on me, you put me in as your 3rd favoured check (and therefore presumably 3rd scummiest player). I find that very odd. Or you know, other reasons. I am leaning one way on you in the spectrum. I feel your play yesterday was surprisingly meh. Not the stuff people scumread you for, but your interactions with Jean. Also you EoD joining Jean on his push on me was also superlame. Like I kind of understand how your read formed but it's just bad. If you really want to we can fight about this tomorrow, but it's probably a waste of time. The reality is that if Jean genuinely considered lynching me there then the game was on the edge of being lost for no real reason and it's a good part of the reason why I did not want him to be in any position of power (personally I also despise(d) his playing style and the fact that it paid off). Evaluate on the Moosy flip. Is me bussing the most likely scenario? What in my interactions with Jean did you specifically find meh? Why did you find my play lackluster? As for joining him on your push on you, I simply disagreed it'd make him scum. I wouldn't have wanted you as the lynch though, and you still aren't my preferred lynch. I'm not sure how you'd behave around MD if he was your buddy, need to contemplate on that. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 08:43 GMT
#1153
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 09:57 GMT
#1166
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 10:00 GMT
#1168
On June 27 2016 17:46 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 17:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 17:22 Superbia wrote: On June 27 2016 17:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You're having the opposite read development as town which is weird to begin with, but you also said when I asked you earlier why you were less certain on me that it was because other people were scumreading me, yet your townread was strongest when I was still being scumread by many. And now that many people came around on me, you put me in as your 3rd favoured check (and therefore presumably 3rd scummiest player). I find that very odd. Or you know, other reasons. I am leaning one way on you in the spectrum. I feel your play yesterday was surprisingly meh. Not the stuff people scumread you for, but your interactions with Jean. Also you EoD joining Jean on his push on me was also superlame. Like I kind of understand how your read formed but it's just bad. If you really want to we can fight about this tomorrow, but it's probably a waste of time. The reality is that if Jean genuinely considered lynching me there then the game was on the edge of being lost for no real reason and it's a good part of the reason why I did not want him to be in any position of power (personally I also despise(d) his playing style and the fact that it paid off). Evaluate on the Moosy flip. Is me bussing the most likely scenario? What in my interactions with Jean did you specifically find meh? Why did you find my play lackluster? As for joining him on your push on you, I simply disagreed it'd make him scum. I wouldn't have wanted you as the lynch though, and you still aren't my preferred lynch. I'm not sure how you'd behave around MD if he was your buddy, need to contemplate on that. That he literally bullied you into voting him. His two scum reads were you and me (iirc). And I was generally townread at the time he came around. I'm just very annoyed that people voted him even though his (scum) reads were (probably) actually pretty shit. Especially you. He hard scumread you and he had a null/scumlean on me. And I was one of the only persons who was not going with the scumArtanis flow. It boggles my mind man. Anyway I will reveal what I think on the morrow but tbh I don't expect it to make it. :D That's not really true. It was a culmination of many people tunneling on me that just got me massive game fatigue. That's why I voted for him at the time. Later on, it was because GB wanted to lynch emperor whilst Jean wanted to lynch MD which I found to be preferable. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 10:33 GMT
#1171
Smurf is clearly a native english speaker. Only 48 hits on 'like', half of which being quotes eliminates Geript. I'd like to say that the egotisticalness displayed also eliminates Kita and Slam, and timezones kinda suggest a brit anyway. I'm kinda tempted to say holyflare but I don't think he'd have the energy to play atm. Marv and VE definitely wouldn't, at least not this way. Also too jolly to be DP. I guess HF is still the most likely? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 10:41 GMT
#1174
On June 27 2016 19:38 Jean Valjean wrote: I tried to read through Tumblewood's filter. At least the first part of it doesn't seem to have anything outright scummy, and he seems to be at least trying to probe what is going on in the game, so there's that. I have a hard townread on TW and I don't remember entirely why. I think it was because his read development and inquiries felt very natural. He also helped push away from me getting lynched both by reading me townier and by proxy of pushing TT whereas it would be in mafia's best interests to get me lynched and assure it. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 10:44 GMT
#1175
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 10:50 GMT
#1177
On June 27 2016 19:48 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 19:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Is making most of my reads based on how people interact with me egocentric? I wonder. Don't worry. I think there are at least 2 egos bigger than yours this game. I'd like your insight on who the smurf is though | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 10:53 GMT
#1181
On June 27 2016 19:50 Superbia wrote: Also 1 mafia between TT and damdred seems likely: - Both had a weak/dismissive read on Moosy. - They are both good enough players that one of them would've noticed if they were both town. I really don't like this. Many people had weak/dismissive reads on Moosy. I never even commented on the guy other than being okay with his lynch without really thinking he was likely to flip mafia. I also think they're both capable of misreading one another and continuing to do so. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 10:54 GMT
#1182
On June 27 2016 19:51 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 19:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 19:48 Superbia wrote: On June 27 2016 19:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Is making most of my reads based on how people interact with me egocentric? I wonder. Don't worry. I think there are at least 2 egos bigger than yours this game. I'd like your insight on who the smurf is though Honestly idk. I've played too little with HF. I've never played with SuperSoft. I do kind of like HF as the smurf. It's definitey not Supersoft, he wasn't as jolly and his ego was bigger. I apologize to whomever it is for even comparing the two. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 11:00 GMT
#1185
On June 27 2016 20:00 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 19:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 19:51 Superbia wrote: On June 27 2016 19:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 19:48 Superbia wrote: On June 27 2016 19:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Is making most of my reads based on how people interact with me egocentric? I wonder. Don't worry. I think there are at least 2 egos bigger than yours this game. I'd like your insight on who the smurf is though Honestly idk. I've played too little with HF. I've never played with SuperSoft. I do kind of like HF as the smurf. It's definitey not Supersoft, he wasn't as jolly and his ego was bigger. I apologize to whomever it is for even comparing the two. It's Koshi. /s You almost got me | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 11:47 GMT
#1188
On June 27 2016 20:30 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 19:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think what's more important is that we start smurfhunting now. Smurf is clearly a native english speaker. Only 48 hits on 'like', half of which being quotes eliminates Geript. I'd like to say that the egotisticalness displayed also eliminates Kita and Slam, and timezones kinda suggest a brit anyway. I'm kinda tempted to say holyflare but I don't think he'd have the energy to play atm. Marv and VE definitely wouldn't, at least not this way. Also too jolly to be DP. I guess HF is still the most likely? This is silly and pretty pointless and I can't imagine will ever have any value. Unless you are trying to build a case that Jean is the smurf of somebody who is this tryhard and also lynched scum D1 when he didn't have too... I'm really just having fun Also, if he follows his own rules and we talk about smurfs enough he should tell us to get us back on track. You play how the town wants you to play, because that is the only way you play to win. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 11:50 GMT
#1190
On June 27 2016 20:44 Tictock wrote: But w/e I've pondered it and I really don't think Art makes sense as scum anymore. He basically set aside his read on me and voted Jean to get Moosy lynched which scum almost never do. So I think Jean, Super, and Art more or less as confirmed town. Tumble also said something that reminded me I should recheck EoD votes. That's a weird progression. There was no reasonable mayor candidate that wanted to lynch you; It was between Jean whom wanted to lynch MD and GB whom wanted to lynch Emperor at the end. There's still a case to be made for me being town if Emperor is since I voted a mayor that killed scum rather than town (even moreso if GB is scum), but it being because JVJ didn't want to kill you is not one of them. If you're talking about earlier, I voted him to kill me so we could move on, not because I set aside my read on you. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 12:00 GMT
#1193
On June 27 2016 20:56 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 20:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 20:44 Tictock wrote: But w/e I've pondered it and I really don't think Art makes sense as scum anymore. He basically set aside his read on me and voted Jean to get Moosy lynched which scum almost never do. So I think Jean, Super, and Art more or less as confirmed town. Tumble also said something that reminded me I should recheck EoD votes. That's a weird progression. There was no reasonable mayor candidate that wanted to lynch you; It was between Jean whom wanted to lynch MD and GB whom wanted to lynch Emperor at the end. There's still a case to be made for me being town if Emperor is since I voted a mayor that killed scum rather than town (even moreso if GB is scum), but it being because JVJ didn't want to kill you is not one of them. If you're talking about earlier, I voted him to kill me so we could move on, not because I set aside my read on you. I'm mostly referring to w/e post I quoted earlier that you made in EoD. You mean this? On June 27 2016 10:07 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 05:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 05:54 Damdred wrote: Lynch Tt Jean blah He won't do it and we can lynch TT later anyway. TT actually becomes more readable later on and dunno if MD does so I don't mind the shot. Humm, this is the first reasonable thing you've said about me. Maybe I've been wrong about you Art. Bleh this makes me waffle on you for stupid reasons. Mainly because I can very well envision myself mulling something like this over after realizing I might be wrong, kinda like I did with QT where at first you don't really want to admit it and it takes timee to come to terms with it. Could also see it from scum realizing they need to change targets but it comes accross naturally. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 12:34 GMT
#1197
On June 27 2016 21:19 GlowingBear wrote: Sigh This is a hard game. I know associative reads are bad but when I conaider teams in this game they are completely different Can you just call me town so I can get NKed? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 13:37 GMT
#1200
On June 27 2016 21:51 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 21:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 21:19 GlowingBear wrote: Sigh This is a hard game. I know associative reads are bad but when I conaider teams in this game they are completely different Can you just call me town so I can get NKed? Town | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 14:51 GMT
#1205
On June 27 2016 23:40 GlowingBear wrote: I may have made a huge mistake Yeah, you should've pardoned MD! | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 15:09 GMT
#1207
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 18:56 GMT
#1241
On June 28 2016 03:19 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 06:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Just looked at TT's filter for interactions regarding MD. On June 25 2016 22:36 Tictock wrote: On June 25 2016 22:27 Superbia wrote: On June 25 2016 22:21 Tictock wrote: On June 25 2016 21:28 Superbia wrote: TT lend me your thoughts Almost caughtup. I'd like to know where you are going with Moosy and Jealous. Moosy's entrance feels too much like "hey guys, I'm claiming MAFIA, like I did last game I was TOWN". Feels too fake. I would expect town moosy to actually switch it up instead of doing nearly the same thing as last game. You know I kinda felt the same... It was overblown especially with his interaction with Damdred. I didn't get the same happy go lucky trolling feeling from him either, more like I'm surprised you want to read Jealous based off an "I'm AFK" post. On June 26 2016 00:40 Tictock wrote: On June 26 2016 00:33 Damdred wrote: And who exactly is scum TT? Even outside me? I could go with a yolo team of Art/Damdred/Moosy Though my gut feeling isn't so strong on Moosy atm ... (wasn't digging his opening though). Looks pretty bad to me. Soft scumming a scum whilst pushing others. The first post is one of the only ones actually addressing MD. That said, there wasn't much to go off on anyway so there is that. Scumreads TT for him being soft gut reading Moosy. Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 05:57 Damdred wrote: I also think moosey flips town though meh. Just a gut feel nothing to base it on There is no way in world I'm gona believe you missed this post which is basically identical. Also you talk about tunnelling after this is so ironic... I didn't scumread him for a soft gut read. I said that I scumread him for soft scumreading flipped scum whilst hardpushing others. It's a standard mafia strategy to soft scumread your scummates whilst pushing other players, and that's what TT had been doing. Damdred did nothing of the like, indicating he didn't really have a strong read or even had a townread on MD. I also have plenty of other reasoning to townread Damdred which I didn't have for TT, so that adds to it. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 18:58 GMT
#1242
On June 28 2016 03:55 Skynx wrote: I can expand on reads if required, don't be hesitant to ask. Why are you hard townreading GB? Why do you believe that having similar reads means someone's very likely to be town? Why is emperor in the 'super scum' category, yet Chez is in null? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 19:10 GMT
#1244
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 19:45 GMT
#1249
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 19:49 GMT
#1252
On June 28 2016 04:48 Jealous wrote: Fuck yes. 2 Brexits in 1 week inc. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 19:53 GMT
#1255
On June 28 2016 04:49 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2016 03:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 28 2016 03:55 Skynx wrote: I can expand on reads if required, don't be hesitant to ask. Why are you hard townreading GB? Why do you believe that having similar reads means someone's very likely to be town? Why is emperor in the 'super scum' category, yet Chez is in null? [2] I believe you referring to TT read. Well, I have my reasoning behind my scumreads that I'm confident in and 100% believe in them. If someone is thinking similar to you (mind you TT is very very similar) then there is no way they are mafia cuz I know I'm town myself. [3] emperor's filter fits perfectly to his newbie game where he was my scum teammate. I can see myself that my posting changed a lot after rolling town in 1day and if he was town I'd expect him to change as well. So far I see no changes: constant 1 liners and joky posts which he likes a lot, followed by a 1 big read on JVJ which is totally wrong imo, then some forced reads and general posts fitting the category of "activity for sake of activity". Chez is unreadable as I said before. I wouldn't feel comfortable voting for him when I'm confident on my other scumreads. He is totally afk and I think has some beef with me for no other reason than me not sucking his dick for presidency. Also if mafia has 2 super trolly/afk players after Moosy flip I think its ballsy beyond recognition. Yeah, I used to think like that too. It happened to me with Toad in Outlaw. We just thought the same on everything, had mindmelds like 3 times where we posted the same ideas at the same time. I was town. he was mafia. It's not a valid way to evaluate someone. Needs more. Also need to take more time to evaluate the 3rd thingy. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 19:55 GMT
#1257
On June 28 2016 04:51 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2016 04:45 Damdred wrote: SK how did I not comment on it when I see ifically said I disagreed but it was a good thought by GB? Fibbing doesn't get you points. Back to date day "Hmm I suggest t v t, he suggests s v s... whats wrong about that, I'll give him credit. Why should I question a read that is polar opposite of mine anyway?" Get real bro You said no one commented on it, but Damdred really did. He was actually the first to ping it out. You might not like the content but he noticed it and read into it. The reason Damdred townread it as he also said is because it showed a paranoid mindset from GB. Having the same opinion has nothing to do with alignments. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 20:50 GMT
#1270
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 20:58 GMT
#1272
Don't reconsider JVJ, Skynx, QT, or TW before LYLO or if they do something extremely dumb. Not QUITE as certain on TW but pretty certain. I'm also like 99% certain Damdred is town. I talked earlier about his towntells. His frustration here also feels extremely genuine and is just something I don't think he can fake as scum. His exchange with skynx looks very t v t ish. Scum should be in TT/Superbia/GB/Jealous. I don't know enough about Jealous to say much, his posts kinda look good but they haven't been outstanding/influential? It's kinda the same for the others. Superbia is prob my biggest townlean from there by now just for how he responded when he thought he was getting lynched. Dude cares a lot, and being on MD from the start does make him look p good. Most of the reason I townread GB was the claim, but in an open? setup that's not worth quite as much. Really not too sure on who scum is. Also Chez obv 10000% town. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 20:59 GMT
#1273
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 21:00 GMT
#1275
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 21:02 GMT
#1278
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 21:04 GMT
#1281
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 21:09 GMT
#1289
On June 28 2016 06:06 Superbia wrote: TT why'd you visit QT bro? Lololololol ##Vote TickTock | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 21:13 GMT
#1292
On June 28 2016 06:12 Superbia wrote: I need to sleep z_z You always go to bed so early. I don't trust it. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 21:15 GMT
#1294
On June 28 2016 06:14 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2016 06:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 28 2016 06:12 Superbia wrote: I need to sleep z_z You always go to bed so early. I don't trust it. I wake up at 7 x; I prefer to sleep at 10 but I really wanted to see night result. I can imagine well you've deserved your rest. GGs! | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 22:25 GMT
#1309
On June 28 2016 07:04 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 00:06 Jean Valjean wrote: Or rather, he has made a ton of posts, most of which deal with his own ability play the game. Do you think it's reasonable for him to just stall, stall, stall as mafia? Is he smart/dumb enough to do that correctly (depending on how functional the town is, it can either be a smart or a dumb move). Also you, just like Artanis, have put yourself in a situation where you just townread everyone except for a few afk players. As with Artanis, you are another player that has no excuse to scumread me at present, so I'll do you the favor of adding myself to your townlist. This means you're townreading the following people: Artanis Damdred Chez Tumble Superbia Jean QT In addition, you townread GB and I'm going to throw in Skynx as an unlikely mafia, although feel free to disagree with me on that. That's 9/13 players already in your town circle, and your lynch list looks something like this: Moosy Jealous Tictock emperorchampion So, trolls, new players, low content people and sure, tictock. Maybe add Skynx to that list? Look over your own reads again and think, do you believe this is the most reasonable solution to the game Damdred? It was the most reasonable solution to the game... I believe you called me out on that too VINDICATION | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 27 2016 22:56 GMT
#1313
On June 28 2016 07:42 Tumblewood wrote: Oh durr super tracked tt Reading game useful thing to do | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 11:21 GMT
#1422
On June 28 2016 16:55 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2016 16:30 Superbia wrote: Why is Art cleared? I agree that he's town but he's not cleared. x; His reads so far have been pretty el terriblè. Yep, I think he's just having a bad town game. Why's that? I came around to QT and no hard townread of mine has been scum. I feel like I've played a pretty decent game. I'm also kinda thinking it might be Jealous at this point, purely based on PoE. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 11:28 GMT
#1423
Damdred can never stay this motivated as scum with two trolly scummates. I know him well enough for that, he was hard enough to motivate during Imperial as is. Especially with all this suspicion he would've likely conceded by now. Same goes for Superbia after rolling scum 29348 times. He doesn't do that play, he doesn't get as agitated during EoD when he might get lynched and he wouldn't be this involved. GB is confirmed town from the shot. JVJ gets a pass until LYLO for lynching scum and generally very town-oriented play. Skynx is very town for his case on me and just very genuine towny things in his filter. I guess it kinda could be TW? But I had good vibes about him earlier. Jealous fits the most, feels a little mechanical at times. ##Unvote ##Vote Jealous | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 14:36 GMT
#1426
On June 28 2016 23:24 Damdred wrote: Come now art it was almost a 600 page game with like twelve replacements! It was hard for us all to stay motivated. Though my motivation is kind of at a low point right now, whoops. But on a different note jealous kind of looks bad tbh keeps hedging a bit but just keeps his read static. Kind of weird. As for that game you are remembering the wrong game tt, the game you claimed wanderer with a red check you were gunsmith and got instantly lynched that day because onegu claimed a red check on you as scum. Anyway any questions I'm around for a bit. True, if you want I can provide additional argumentation. You're terrible at faking emotion. You tried it once in Millionaires and it looked awful but people still insta townread you since Emo Damdred = town. Since then you've talked a lot about how emotions shouldn't be used to confirm people as town and try to move away from it. Especially with people now knowing you're capable of faking it, I really don't think you would play this way at mafia, let alone be capable of playing this way. You've just felt extremely natural this game. Jealous hasn't and is highly likely to be mafia. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 14:56 GMT
#1431
On June 28 2016 23:50 Damdred wrote: Yeah just read some filters and I wish I would of hard pushed him after his reads lists. Which is to bad, see strange progressions. But sk is strange to, though the attitude of righteousness (this isn't meant as an insult) I'd have a hard time seeing coming from a newb. He's pretty aggro really all I'm all not sure if I believe he could be scum here. But he does have a couple weird progressions like the one super pointed out, inability see me coming from town. I thinknive been pretty Towny this game, activity has been good. Idk I think I could of solo carried scum team but would of had to hard bus moose and ec, especially ec. I've been wrong at points but that's what mafia is about, I made a couple good choices and two-three bad ones. Alas. Sk is just (almost) never going to be scum this game. Way too confident and pushing stuff. Afaik his scumgame was pretty bad? I recall others saying so. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 20:16 GMT
#1486
Damdred is town. I'm going to try to explain why. I want everyone to read this post and let it actually sink in. Think about it for half an hour or something to avoid kneejerk/tunnel replies. People aren't mafia because of inconsistencies. Town tends to be much more inconsistent than scum. People also aren't mafia because they happened to do things that aligned with mafia objectives. People are mafia because they're mafia. That sounds incredibly obvious, but it's something we often forget. Lots of these cases on Damdred revolve around proving he's been inconsistent, or doing things that fit mafia objectives, but it doesn't matter because they never asked the fundamental question: Is Damdred capable of playing this way as mafia? Answer: He is most assuredly not. I've got a decent amount of experience playing with Damdred, including in one of the longest and hardest scumgames there was. We had a team of Damdred, Ritoky, Superbia, Marvellosity and myself and the thread was over 600 pages long, yet there were often moments where it was difficult for any of us to get motivated to play. There were moments where we wanted to resign, and probably would've if it wasn't for each other and the good position we were in. It is my fundamental belief that Damdred would've given up already a long time ago. On top of this, as I've stated, Damdred is notoriously bad for faking emotion. When he's suspected as mafia, he often becomes trolly/happy because he doesn't like playing scum. This is especially true when his team sucks (which would've been the case here). As town, he becomes emo/unhappy and it either motivates him enough to try harder, or he just gives up and votes himself. In this case given the way the game's been going, it's been the former. We've seen plenty of examples of how Damdred's been unhappy littered throughout the game and they came at the moments you'd expect. Damdred's tried faking emotion before and it wasn't particularly believable. He's just not very good at it. The Damdred of this game has had an extremely natural progression in terms of emotions and tones that he could not fake. He doesn't like playing scum and surrenders when it's impossible to win. Damdred is not mafia this game, and I plead for you to believe me on that. I believe Jealous is, though I'm not quite certain on it. I do know Damdred is going to flip green. Please take a bit of time to take this post in and don't give a kneejerk response to it. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 20:34 GMT
#1492
On June 29 2016 05:29 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2016 05:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay, everyone, listen. There's one thing I know for certain. Absolute certain. Damdred is town. I'm going to try to explain why. I want everyone to read this post and let it actually sink in. Think about it for half an hour or something to avoid kneejerk/tunnel replies. People aren't mafia because of inconsistencies. Town tends to be much more inconsistent than scum. People also aren't mafia because they happened to do things that aligned with mafia objectives. People are mafia because they're mafia. That sounds incredibly obvious, but it's something we often forget. Lots of these cases on Damdred revolve around proving he's been inconsistent, or doing things that fit mafia objectives, but it doesn't matter because they never asked the fundamental question: Is Damdred capable of playing this way as mafia? Answer: He is most assuredly not. I've got a decent amount of experience playing with Damdred, including in one of the longest and hardest scumgames there was. We had a team of Damdred, Ritoky, Superbia, Marvellosity and myself and the thread was over 600 pages long, yet there were often moments where it was difficult for any of us to get motivated to play. There were moments where we wanted to resign, and probably would've if it wasn't for each other and the good position we were in. It is my fundamental belief that Damdred would've given up already a long time ago. On top of this, as I've stated, Damdred is notoriously bad for faking emotion. When he's suspected as mafia, he often becomes trolly/happy because he doesn't like playing scum. This is especially true when his team sucks (which would've been the case here). As town, he becomes emo/unhappy and it either motivates him enough to try harder, or he just gives up and votes himself. In this case given the way the game's been going, it's been the former. We've seen plenty of examples of how Damdred's been unhappy littered throughout the game and they came at the moments you'd expect. Damdred's tried faking emotion before and it wasn't particularly believable. He's just not very good at it. The Damdred of this game has had an extremely natural progression in terms of emotions and tones that he could not fake. He doesn't like playing scum and surrenders when it's impossible to win. Damdred is not mafia this game, and I plead for you to believe me on that. I believe Jealous is, though I'm not quite certain on it. I do know Damdred is going to flip green. Please take a bit of time to take this post in and don't give a kneejerk response to it. I won't really take the 30 minutes necessary because the majority of your reasoning is meant to appeal to veterans and people with direct experience with Damdred, which means there is no way for me to refute them or support them. I just want to say that these meta reads are all very lame. Your entire play so far in this game has been meta-based and you pushed the few people you have no background information on (QT, myself). This is really weak in my opinion. You refuse to look at certain people based on God-knows-what, you place weight on prior experience working WITH the person without considering that perhaps they have changed their approach knowing full well that they can't be the same person they were when they were scum with you, because that'd be too obvious. In fact, you are talking down to Damdred about his abilities as a player (even though he is "one of the best" by his own words) if you think his persona is so static and predictable. Please, look within the confines of the game. It doesn't really matter whether you think they're lame or not, they're correct. Damdred and I can't both be mafia so either my reasoning is 100% sincere, or he's Town anyway. Since I'm being sincere, you can be certain that I'm not trying to mess you about or fuck with you. There's certain things you know about a player after playing with them for long enough that they can't change, or are just innate to them. I'm not saying he can't play a great scumgame; I'm saying he can't play this scumgame with this team. I believe that to be entirely impossible. Furthermore, given I've pushed people that I haven't played with (and also used non-meta reasons), clearly it's not my entire play. It's a major part because all that matters is whether players are capable of playing the game they're currently playing as mafia. If the answer is no, you know their alignment. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 20:35 GMT
#1493
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 21:04 GMT
#1505
On June 29 2016 05:50 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2016 05:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 29 2016 05:29 Jealous wrote: On June 29 2016 05:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay, everyone, listen. There's one thing I know for certain. Absolute certain. Damdred is town. I'm going to try to explain why. I want everyone to read this post and let it actually sink in. Think about it for half an hour or something to avoid kneejerk/tunnel replies. People aren't mafia because of inconsistencies. Town tends to be much more inconsistent than scum. People also aren't mafia because they happened to do things that aligned with mafia objectives. People are mafia because they're mafia. That sounds incredibly obvious, but it's something we often forget. Lots of these cases on Damdred revolve around proving he's been inconsistent, or doing things that fit mafia objectives, but it doesn't matter because they never asked the fundamental question: Is Damdred capable of playing this way as mafia? Answer: He is most assuredly not. I've got a decent amount of experience playing with Damdred, including in one of the longest and hardest scumgames there was. We had a team of Damdred, Ritoky, Superbia, Marvellosity and myself and the thread was over 600 pages long, yet there were often moments where it was difficult for any of us to get motivated to play. There were moments where we wanted to resign, and probably would've if it wasn't for each other and the good position we were in. It is my fundamental belief that Damdred would've given up already a long time ago. On top of this, as I've stated, Damdred is notoriously bad for faking emotion. When he's suspected as mafia, he often becomes trolly/happy because he doesn't like playing scum. This is especially true when his team sucks (which would've been the case here). As town, he becomes emo/unhappy and it either motivates him enough to try harder, or he just gives up and votes himself. In this case given the way the game's been going, it's been the former. We've seen plenty of examples of how Damdred's been unhappy littered throughout the game and they came at the moments you'd expect. Damdred's tried faking emotion before and it wasn't particularly believable. He's just not very good at it. The Damdred of this game has had an extremely natural progression in terms of emotions and tones that he could not fake. He doesn't like playing scum and surrenders when it's impossible to win. Damdred is not mafia this game, and I plead for you to believe me on that. I believe Jealous is, though I'm not quite certain on it. I do know Damdred is going to flip green. Please take a bit of time to take this post in and don't give a kneejerk response to it. I won't really take the 30 minutes necessary because the majority of your reasoning is meant to appeal to veterans and people with direct experience with Damdred, which means there is no way for me to refute them or support them. I just want to say that these meta reads are all very lame. Your entire play so far in this game has been meta-based and you pushed the few people you have no background information on (QT, myself). This is really weak in my opinion. You refuse to look at certain people based on God-knows-what, you place weight on prior experience working WITH the person without considering that perhaps they have changed their approach knowing full well that they can't be the same person they were when they were scum with you, because that'd be too obvious. In fact, you are talking down to Damdred about his abilities as a player (even though he is "one of the best" by his own words) if you think his persona is so static and predictable. Please, look within the confines of the game. It doesn't really matter whether you think they're lame or not, they're correct. Damdred and I can't both be mafia so either my reasoning is 100% sincere, or he's Town anyway. Since I'm being sincere, you can be certain that I'm not trying to mess you about or fuck with you. There's certain things you know about a player after playing with them for long enough that they can't change, or are just innate to them. I'm not saying he can't play a great scumgame; I'm saying he can't play this scumgame with this team. I believe that to be entirely impossible. Furthermore, given I've pushed people that I haven't played with (and also used non-meta reasons), clearly it's not my entire play. It's a major part because all that matters is whether players are capable of playing the game they're currently playing as mafia. If the answer is no, you know their alignment. 1. I agree with this. I do believe your reasoning is sincere in the sense that you truly believe it. I also don't trust your reasoning because I can't trust someone who blindly pockets people (Chezinu). 2. I understand where you're coming from, but “overconfidence precedes carelessness.” You are so confident in your subjective experience and understanding of the people behind the aliases on this site that you are willing to overlook concrete evidence. Show nested quote + On June 29 2016 05:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm sorry you can't get your mislynch based on logic. You've got some good logic going on and I'm sure it's frustrating to lose out on a mislynch this way. Not something you don't deserve with the way you're playing but mafia is a cruel game and sometimes people are town for reasons that suck, but make them clear town nonetheless. I like how you use "your mislynch" to further incriminate me in the eyes of the reader. I am only pursuing this because 1. I've "got some good logic going" and 2. I, like you, and truly sincere in my analysis. This is the clearest scum to me right now so I'm pushing it with tangible evidence at a time when everyone else seems to be dozing besides Superbia and TT. I'm doing this for the good of town. As I mentioned earlier, if I do all of this and Damdred were by chance to flip green, wouldn't that look terrible for me if all I had to do was vote for him and cite my D1 reads? I might not be an experienced player and therefore not a strong player, but I'm not retarded and even I can see cause-and-effect on an a->b level. Speaking of which, if you were scum and Damdred does get lynched and he is green, that would look great for you, wouldn't it? You made such an impassioned case with pretty formatting and an appeal to the in-circle of TL Mafia. If you were scum and I got lynched and flipped town, that might be a slight hindrance to you but nothing you wouldn't be able to work your way out of considering so many others are also on this wagon and because you have pocket buttbuddies in Chezinu and possibly Damdred (from his posts, at least). This is an interesting hypothetical, something I'd want to explore if Damdred does indeed flip green, which I doubt. For now, I'm sticking to my guns. It's won one game, it may win another. Honestly it just feels that you're scum to me because of the... opportunisticness you're displaying? You're lining up my potential mislynch now for if Damdred flips green, which is something I'd expect from scum. You're not taking the super easy things mostly such as people talking to others as if they're confirmed town (TT used it on Damdred) because you know they're cheap shots. I only worded it that way because I feel like everyone else is pretty townie and the way you're going about makes me feel pretty confident that you're mafia. There was also just some actual sympathy for you, not gloating about it. I sincerely believe you're scum and I am sincerely sorry that you're likely to get lynched because people get townread for stupid reasons. Mafia doesn't necessarily reward those who play the best. I've experienced it plenty myself where people end up with stupid townreads that are correct because they just would never do it as scum; dumbtells were common in that regard. As for the Chez read, I'm sure you're aware it's obviously a joke. Your frustration regarding it also further fuels my scumread on me, as I believe it's a mislynch that you need as mafia. Rest assured that I won't keep that joke going should it get to LYLO, but I doubt I'll be alive that long. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 21:05 GMT
#1506
On June 29 2016 05:55 GlowingBear wrote: Artanis my reasoning behind scumreading damdy is far from his inconsistencies. It is much more because of his siding with EC and his reaction to my named VT claim I sided with EC as well in the sense that I thought he was town. We can't both be scum. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 21:07 GMT
#1508
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 21:11 GMT
#1509
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 21:24 GMT
#1517
On June 29 2016 06:21 Skynx wrote: I'll be up for some discussion tomorrow irl but Art, as much as i have faith in yout honesty we should stick to facts. I'm sure Damdred is mafia as much as you believe he is town so we're getting nowhere here. So here is a logical man's way out: if Damdred is going to get lynched, we should try to get as much as info out of it in case he rolls town. I feel like the remaining mafia (in case its not D) is someone we are not even considering right now. I suggest everyone be active as much as they can tmox cuz scum WILL drop something. Nn I doubt you believe Damdred is scum as hard as I believe he's town. I'm about 99.999% certain he's town. As for if it's not Jealous, there's a few people I think miiiight be scum. Also, I don't want to diss your scumread, but I would like you to take into account the amount of experience I've had playing with him and factor that in. That sounds incredibly egocentric, but please, believe me in it and try to see his play from a town point of view. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 21:30 GMT
#1521
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 21:36 GMT
#1526
On June 29 2016 06:33 Tumblewood wrote: gonna take a break but before that a quote from art that makes him supah town in my mind Show nested quote + I'm going to try to explain why. I want everyone to read this post and let it actually sink in. Think about it for half an hour or something to avoid kneejerk/tunnel replies. just a real nice indication that art cares about putting town on the right track. this is an attention-to-detail thing as scum; I don't think scum!art is thinking to include this sentence, I just don't. You also get additional brownie points for reading my post thoroughly | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 22:16 GMT
#1534
On June 29 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2016 06:46 Jealous wrote: On June 29 2016 06:42 Damdred wrote: I've put several decent arguments into the thread why I am not scum. Sure they do have wifom about them which makes them a somewhat weaker because I'm self aware of my meta. Like don't get me wrong I like both you and sk regardless if I get lynched both of you have the makings of good players that just need to improve some peripheral things. That's besides the point though. Honestly btw we can't wait till lylo or mylo to look into Jean or else he automatically wins if he is scum in lylo which is what I'm paranoid about. His post just sent shivers up my spine. Which stinks I can't be on the combo but maybe the way moosey gave himself up to Jean is indicative. I meant the case on who else you have scum leans on! Sadly I haven't built a case and I'll try to get it done by tommorow but I kind of think it's between Jean and you. Maybe tumble in a distant third but I doubt that one. And the way you are interacting with me does get you something. Tumble is never scum here. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 22:18 GMT
#1537
Artanis Damdred GlowingBear Tumblewood Skynx 100% confirmed town BFF Chezinu | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 22:24 GMT
#1539
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 22:50 GMT
#1544
We elect a mafia mayor, he lynches mafia D1, then we proceed to shoot mafia N1 and lynch the bussing mafia mayor D2. Best game. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 22:51 GMT
#1545
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 22:57 GMT
#1547
On June 29 2016 07:55 Tictock wrote: Fuck it, lets do it. In the hopes of making this the best game ever. ##Vote: Jean Valijean Alternatively, this could be the worst game ever where we lose from 9v1, starting with lynching one of our strongest players that was unshootable and lynched mafia D1. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 23:04 GMT
#1548
##Unvote ##Vote Jean Valjean | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 23:09 GMT
#1549
Then pray it was Kitaman so it breaks his unlynched as town streak and I finally get to sit on the longest-unlynched-as-town-streak throne that I thoroughly deserve! | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 28 2016 23:09 GMT
#1550
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 11:01 GMT
#1564
On June 29 2016 18:35 Superbia wrote: Damdred has to be lynched this game btw. Possibly today. On June 29 2016 19:53 Jean Valjean wrote: Mostly: not much. I am, as explained, busy today. This has nothing to do with my alignment, simply real life obligations. I am not caught up on the previous day. I invite anyone who thinks voting me is a good idea to go back and read my approach and contributions on day 1. I am going to try my best not to be an asshole about it, even if lynching the most articulate and helpful player in town who lynched mafia on day 1 on day 2 is... well... very special. My current thoughts, explained briefly are as follows: My spat with superbia during the night made me feel better about him. Specifically the post where he talked about aiming for being so right that people had no choice but to listen to him showed a sort of a defiant attitude that is far more likely to come from a townie. Superbia's fakeclaim was really bad. It changes how we view tictock. Tictock obviously knew the claim was fake, but that could simply be because he knew who delivered the mafia nk. I think he still requires some looking at. Tictock's responses during the night weren't very townie, although I'm not sure at all. Another thing is that this is the time where I'd expect tictock to come in and start actually figuring out the rest of the game. Artanis and Skynx are two players who really, really need to contribute more. I still think Jealous doesn't sound like mafia, but I'm weighing him on the "newbie scale", which might be a mistake. Chez, more than anyone else, has been extremely underwhelming. He has not yet provided a single colored list with the classic insights that he almost always does. He is not helping us solve the game, which despite his trolling he almost always does. I'm going to move my vote on Chez for these reasons. Not caught up, calls out players for not contributing enough. Yeah, you can be mafia. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 11:44 GMT
#1567
On June 29 2016 20:35 Jean Valjean wrote: In addition, that is an extremly weak accusation Artanis, you are a better player to than think that is something that actually makes someone mafia. Maybe I was right on day 1 after all. ##unvote ##vote Artanis[Xp] That is so weak, so awfully awfully weak. Your OMGUS is even weaker! Loving it. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 11:45 GMT
#1568
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 11:46 GMT
#1570
On June 29 2016 20:45 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2016 20:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 29 2016 20:35 Jean Valjean wrote: In addition, that is an extremly weak accusation Artanis, you are a better player to than think that is something that actually makes someone mafia. Maybe I was right on day 1 after all. ##unvote ##vote Artanis[Xp] That is so weak, so awfully awfully weak. Your OMGUS is even weaker! Loving it. Please explain in some detail how what you called me out as mafia for is actually scummy. Nah, I don't really have to. Everyone already knows I'm town. Feel free to keep digging yourself that hole though by pretending I'm not. Zebra eating lion time. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 11:51 GMT
#1571
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 11:58 GMT
#1575
On June 29 2016 20:55 Jean Valjean wrote: In order to keep up with my theme of transparency, this is not "just an omgus". I have had lingering suspicions of Artanis, even in that summary post I just wrote I mentioned how little impact he has had on the game. I voiced my concerns repeatedly on Day 1, and even though I ended up not killing him I felt like he was fading into the background. I have been struggling with figuring out his alignment and I'm nowhere certain it's town, or mafia, for that matter. The reason I just voted him is very simple. I mentioned three people who were inactive or not impactful on night 1, and he says "you can be mafia" because somehow that is a contradiction with me not having caught up. Sheer page count or post count is not an indicator of activity. I do not think Artanis is actually dumb enough to think his reasoning here is valid. Then there's the meta factor. It doesn't help that I feel like Artanis is just about the one player here who has the balls to try to kill me as scum. Go for the big play or go home. This is all subjective and kind of bad analysis, but I'm explaining why it affects my thought process. I wish I had more time to play. Just like on Day 1 I am simply a person who has true real life obligations that I cannot ignore. Sometimes I'm able to contribute a lot and sometimes I'm not. I am, predictably, going to flip vanilla town (yes, this is me claiming my role) if I get lynched. It greatly concerns me that town is so willing to go along with this. Just like I repeatedly have extended an invitation and explanation to all the people I suspect this game, clearly detailing why it is I suspect them, I would ask the same of the people who suspect me. Explain why you want to lynch me, and what needs explaining for me to alleviate your concerns. If you actually knew me you would've known I would've long, looooooooong conceded as scum with this kind of scumteam and would've never been able to put in as much effort as I have. Just look at any of my old scumgames. Feel free to keep bench pressing bad logic though. In the meantime, I'll give you one chance. Tell me what your actual account is and I might let you live for today. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 12:00 GMT
#1577
On June 29 2016 21:00 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2016 20:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 29 2016 20:55 Jean Valjean wrote: In order to keep up with my theme of transparency, this is not "just an omgus". I have had lingering suspicions of Artanis, even in that summary post I just wrote I mentioned how little impact he has had on the game. I voiced my concerns repeatedly on Day 1, and even though I ended up not killing him I felt like he was fading into the background. I have been struggling with figuring out his alignment and I'm nowhere certain it's town, or mafia, for that matter. The reason I just voted him is very simple. I mentioned three people who were inactive or not impactful on night 1, and he says "you can be mafia" because somehow that is a contradiction with me not having caught up. Sheer page count or post count is not an indicator of activity. I do not think Artanis is actually dumb enough to think his reasoning here is valid. Then there's the meta factor. It doesn't help that I feel like Artanis is just about the one player here who has the balls to try to kill me as scum. Go for the big play or go home. This is all subjective and kind of bad analysis, but I'm explaining why it affects my thought process. I wish I had more time to play. Just like on Day 1 I am simply a person who has true real life obligations that I cannot ignore. Sometimes I'm able to contribute a lot and sometimes I'm not. I am, predictably, going to flip vanilla town (yes, this is me claiming my role) if I get lynched. It greatly concerns me that town is so willing to go along with this. Just like I repeatedly have extended an invitation and explanation to all the people I suspect this game, clearly detailing why it is I suspect them, I would ask the same of the people who suspect me. Explain why you want to lynch me, and what needs explaining for me to alleviate your concerns. If you actually knew me you would've known I would've long, looooooooong conceded as scum with this kind of scumteam and would've never been able to put in as much effort as I have. Just look at any of my old scumgames. Feel free to keep bench pressing bad logic though. In the meantime, I'll give you one chance. Tell me what your actual account is and I might let you live for today. That is never going to happen Then die today | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 12:03 GMT
#1579
On June 29 2016 21:01 Jean Valjean wrote: But yeah, fuck it, I started listing up the reasons I stopped thinking Artanis is mafia and they still kinda hold up, so I'm going back to my Chez is mafia theory. Artanis' reaction to my pressure yesterday Artanis' post where he talks about smurfhunting (it shows sort of a.... chill attitude, that mafia might not dare portray) Artanis' filter length So whatever, I'm just gonna assume he's a baddie, which wouldn't be that surprising. The lion concedes he was OMGUSing. It is too late for the lion. The zebra is hungry. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 12:06 GMT
#1581
On June 29 2016 21:05 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2016 21:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 29 2016 21:01 Jean Valjean wrote: But yeah, fuck it, I started listing up the reasons I stopped thinking Artanis is mafia and they still kinda hold up, so I'm going back to my Chez is mafia theory. Artanis' reaction to my pressure yesterday Artanis' post where he talks about smurfhunting (it shows sort of a.... chill attitude, that mafia might not dare portray) Artanis' filter length So whatever, I'm just gonna assume he's a baddie, which wouldn't be that surprising. The lion concedes he was OMGUSing. It is too late for the lion. The zebra is hungry. You understand the actual chances of this happening are next to zero, right? Looking at the vote counts, amount of cleared people and thread sentiment, I would beg to differ. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 12:09 GMT
#1582
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 13:50 GMT
#1587
On June 29 2016 21:37 Jean Valjean wrote: And this is not a one way investigation Artanis, you are still a possibility for scum this game Deadline's today right? That's kind of unfortunate since I've got improv until close to deadline. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 18:47 GMT
#1625
On June 30 2016 02:44 Damdred wrote: I don't think that's something scum forgets who shot their partner. Ehhh its kinda weak, but I don't think I want to lynch jealous especially with his attitude/interactions today. I'm inclined to agree. There's very few people I want to lynch at this point which is kinda nice but also mildly concerning. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 18:49 GMT
#1627
On June 29 2016 21:13 Jean Valjean wrote: I think mafia is most likely somewhere in: Damdred/Artanis/Chez/Tictock On June 29 2016 22:52 Rels wrote: Day 2 Votecount Jean Valjean (3): Tictock, Artanis[Xp], Damdred Damdred (2): Chezinu (2): Jealous (1): Artanis[Xp] (0): Tictock (0): Not Voting (3): GlowingBear, Chezinu, Superbia As of now, Jean Valjean will get lynched! Day 2 ends Wednesday, Jun 29 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . TL countdown synchronizes with your device local time and not with the TL server time. It might be inaccurate. Hey, what a coincidence. JVJ's scumlist consists of the people voting him and the potentially easy mislynch. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 18:51 GMT
#1628
On June 30 2016 03:48 Tictock wrote: Besides if Jean flips town the last scum would basically have to be either Damdred or I from the way we are pushing this right? I don't think either of you is going to flip scum regardless honestly. Damdred is never scum and you seem very unlikely to be scum as well from how the game's developed. You've gotten more and more into the game as it's progressed whereas scum has been getting trounced. That with the fakeclaim which would've given you a fine excuse to just concede, I'm quite certain you're town. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 18:53 GMT
#1629
Outside chance of it being Superbia too but meh. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 18:58 GMT
#1631
Pure speculation though! | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:10 GMT
#1636
I also went through Chez's filter but didn't find much in it to sway me one way or the other. Bleh. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:13 GMT
#1638
On June 30 2016 04:09 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 03:47 Damdred wrote: Also besides that fact Jean can't really be allowed to reach lylo or if he's scum he auto wins if hes here at start of day meh. Why can I specifically not be allowed to reach lylo Damdred? Also, why are you trying to take care of that problem now. For someone bitching about how you're one of the best players in the game you're showing a tremendously weak grasp of scumhunting. There is no way I flip mafia, because I have not done anything a mafia would do. I am helpful I lynch mafia I am transparent I explain my reads I help push the game I push buttons on people to make them talk It is actually amazing that I know in this situation that one of Artanis and Damdred must not be mafia (and if I'm right on chez, neither is). Because those two people specifically should know the very situation that has come up, being very experienced. I know I have seen this situation before, multiple times. I lynch mafia and then surely I must have bussed on day 2 because people fear me. I am not this good at playing mafia, no one is. One of the things I would like an input on from other people post-game is how to avoid this specific situation, I thought I did well on day 1, I thought I put myself in a position, yet players who at least claim to be good at this game are literally head up to waist in their asses thinking I surely must be mafia because only mafia would lynch mafia and play like town. That is perfect logic. The main reason I think you're mafia is because you're playing survivalist and because everyone else bar Chez is extremely Town. Also, mafia does all of those things, are you kidding? Mafia's the party that wants to look good. On June 30 2016 04:05 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 03:55 Tictock wrote: On June 30 2016 03:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 03:48 Tictock wrote: Besides if Jean flips town the last scum would basically have to be either Damdred or I from the way we are pushing this right? I don't think either of you is going to flip scum regardless honestly. Damdred is never scum and you seem very unlikely to be scum as well from how the game's developed. You've gotten more and more into the game as it's progressed whereas scum has been getting trounced. That with the fakeclaim which would've given you a fine excuse to just concede, I'm quite certain you're town. What I'm hearing is that this wagon is pure as fuck and everyone should get on it... I still think it's too much of a risk to take at this juncture, and would prefer to only do it if it is forced upon us as we progress through the D/N cycles. There are still quite a few cycles left until Jean becomes invincible as scum, which means plenty of other developments can occur that would help shed light on Jean and others in the game. Maybe my balls aren't big enough to join you on this wagon or perhaps I tend to be risk-averse, either way I am sticking to my guns (Damdred) on this one because it is the strongest case I've seen developed on a purely logical scale (as in, ignoring meta). If Damdred flips green, I have some other avenues to pursue but I don't want to reveal those until someone gets NK'd. Maybe scum will eliminate some possibilities and if I post my suspicions now, scum will be less likely to remove them from town's radar. Logic is an awful guide in mafia. Townies are illogical as hell whilst mafia's very concerned with it. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:13 GMT
#1639
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:15 GMT
#1641
On June 30 2016 04:14 Skynx wrote: Bah I'm so nakkered but w/e, whats up then? We're lynching our mayor whom lynched mafia D1 because he's probably mafia. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:17 GMT
#1643
60% JVJ 37% Chez 3% Superbia/Skynx 0% anyone else. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:21 GMT
#1646
On June 30 2016 04:16 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 04:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can't really get anything out of the vote counts. We already know MD committed suicide-by-mayor and EC ended up parking his vote on TW (off-wagon) and didn't come back until 90 min past deadline. Could've actually been AFK, could've been strategical, but there's strategical reasons for him to be afk whether JVJ is scum or not. He positioned himself in a way that he couldn't end up voting for either wagon but could probably justify a vote on either still. I also went through Chez's filter but didn't find much in it to sway me one way or the other. Bleh. Compare Chez's filter with his efforts in, for example, Names are hard, where he actually contributed to hunting scum. Sure, he might be full on troll this game and only part time troll last game, and I'll be the first to admit, I am terrible at reading trolling or weird players (I mentioned this with Moosy and Chez at some point on Day 1). None of this changes the fact that I have this expectation that in his own weird way Chez is always going to be useful to town. That is precisely the reason I enjoy playing with him despite him being a troll, which is something I generally don't like. He is actually a capable scum hunter and he is very much able to help town win when he puts his mind to it, and none of this is what I've seen so far. Not to mention, this is getting to be almost PoE. I have no idea if scumdred or scumtock would have the balls to attack me. I know you would, but I just have too many reasons to give you a pass today. Taking a single game from Chez' history doesn't do him justice. He plays differently in just about each game he plays. I agree that he's usually useful as town, but he can also go AFK for extended periods as either alignment. This game it appears he's been busy and he did make some insights here and there, though they were more vague in construct. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:22 GMT
#1647
On June 30 2016 04:19 Skynx wrote: Wow thats like impossible just cuz he could have easily just go for the other target (I forgot who) cuz no one would blame him for not lynching Moosy cuz of his bs tactics. You are aware bussing is a thing right? And Moosy is someone likely to die at some point anyway. The cred could definitely be worth it. Plus, there'd have been a lot of backlash had he lynched a town Superbia, and in the eventuality of JVJ being scum it has to be him that brings it home. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:30 GMT
#1652
On June 30 2016 04:26 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 04:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 04:09 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 30 2016 03:47 Damdred wrote: Also besides that fact Jean can't really be allowed to reach lylo or if he's scum he auto wins if hes here at start of day meh. Why can I specifically not be allowed to reach lylo Damdred? Also, why are you trying to take care of that problem now. For someone bitching about how you're one of the best players in the game you're showing a tremendously weak grasp of scumhunting. There is no way I flip mafia, because I have not done anything a mafia would do. I am helpful I lynch mafia I am transparent I explain my reads I help push the game I push buttons on people to make them talk It is actually amazing that I know in this situation that one of Artanis and Damdred must not be mafia (and if I'm right on chez, neither is). Because those two people specifically should know the very situation that has come up, being very experienced. I know I have seen this situation before, multiple times. I lynch mafia and then surely I must have bussed on day 2 because people fear me. I am not this good at playing mafia, no one is. One of the things I would like an input on from other people post-game is how to avoid this specific situation, I thought I did well on day 1, I thought I put myself in a position, yet players who at least claim to be good at this game are literally head up to waist in their asses thinking I surely must be mafia because only mafia would lynch mafia and play like town. That is perfect logic. The main reason I think you're mafia is because you're playing survivalist and because everyone else bar Chez is extremely Town. Also, mafia does all of those things, are you kidding? Mafia's the party that wants to look good. I'm playing survivalist because that is what I have to do. I don't particularly want to, but I have to. Notice though that in the process I'm still trying to figure the game out. I have laid out reasons for everything I've done. Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 04:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 04:05 Jealous wrote: On June 30 2016 03:55 Tictock wrote: On June 30 2016 03:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 03:48 Tictock wrote: Besides if Jean flips town the last scum would basically have to be either Damdred or I from the way we are pushing this right? I don't think either of you is going to flip scum regardless honestly. Damdred is never scum and you seem very unlikely to be scum as well from how the game's developed. You've gotten more and more into the game as it's progressed whereas scum has been getting trounced. That with the fakeclaim which would've given you a fine excuse to just concede, I'm quite certain you're town. What I'm hearing is that this wagon is pure as fuck and everyone should get on it... I still think it's too much of a risk to take at this juncture, and would prefer to only do it if it is forced upon us as we progress through the D/N cycles. There are still quite a few cycles left until Jean becomes invincible as scum, which means plenty of other developments can occur that would help shed light on Jean and others in the game. Maybe my balls aren't big enough to join you on this wagon or perhaps I tend to be risk-averse, either way I am sticking to my guns (Damdred) on this one because it is the strongest case I've seen developed on a purely logical scale (as in, ignoring meta). If Damdred flips green, I have some other avenues to pursue but I don't want to reveal those until someone gets NK'd. Maybe scum will eliminate some possibilities and if I post my suspicions now, scum will be less likely to remove them from town's radar. Logic is an awful guide in mafia. Townies are illogical as hell whilst mafia's very concerned with it. Some townies are very logical, for example, yours truly. In fact, almost every townie who is actually consistently really good at this game is logical. I mean, it's hard to not ridicule you when your thought process is: Jean wants to stay alive - like a townie Jean lynches mafia - like a townie Jean is logical - like townies should strife to be Jean is transparent - like a townie should be Jean is helpful and willing to engage and explain - like a townie should be Jean fought for the mayor role - something mafia NEVER does Conclusion: Jean is mafia. Q.E.D I am of course massively frustrated with both myself for not figuring out how to beat sense into you guys, and at you guys for being so immensely stupid to think it's even possible I am mafia. Show me ONE mafia in the past year on team liquid who has played a game anywhere like what I've done here. Even the best scum players cling to weak arguments, are uncooperative and don't show the leadership I've shown. You are lynching objectively the most townie player you have ever seen on TL Mafia. No I'm not one of those people who can throw a tantrum or say something dumb and become an innocent child in the process, but I have, for all intents and purposes, played what should be an exemplary perfect town game. I let logic guide me to a scum lynch. I made sure scum had no shot at the mayor role, and I've argued and fought in the reasonable and helpful way we want this forum to work in, and the reward is an inane suspicion from people whose best reasons to attack me is literally "he's trying to survive" and "he's trying to solve the game BUT admits not having read every post". It is no wonder we have the behavioral issues we have on this site, the only way people will believe anything you say is if you become an emotional trainwreck, something I will not allow myself to do because I am trying to set an example here. Even if it means getting lynched, which I believe should be every town's #1 priority to avoid. These comments make it really, really hard not to just want to afk lynch you and stop talking to you. For someone who claims to be playing to win you're not doing a very good job at diplomacy. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:37 GMT
#1658
On June 30 2016 04:33 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 04:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 04:19 Skynx wrote: Wow thats like impossible just cuz he could have easily just go for the other target (I forgot who) cuz no one would blame him for not lynching Moosy cuz of his bs tactics. You are aware bussing is a thing right? And Moosy is someone likely to die at some point anyway. The cred could definitely be worth it. Plus, there'd have been a lot of backlash had he lynched a town Superbia, and in the eventuality of JVJ being scum it has to be him that brings it home. Alright so here are few reasons why this is not that good of a strategy: 1) Moosy nearly always survive day1 the way I understand the meta so if you really want to bus someone the target definitely should've been emp cuz some were sr'ing him anyway. 2) Emperor didn't really bus Moosy or tried to get credit for the kill either which he has done in newbie mafia. 3) If he really want's to get cred as mafia I'd think he woulda add some flair to his post like how HF or Palmar does, you know one of those 'I'm a fkin god' memes. I think his cred for his kill kinda went under the radar. 1) Yeah, but Moosy will die at some point in the game before LYLO. When he's mayor and pulls the trigger, he gets the cred. 2) Uhh? We know for a fact both Emperor and Moosy were scum so I'm not sure what you're getting at here. 3) He kind of has been, but he couldn't do it too much given he stated it wasn't as much of a lynch where he expected to hit scum as much as it was policy and how they 'should' flip mafia in that situation. Thinking of that, that might actually be the best reason yet why he might be town. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:43 GMT
#1666
On June 30 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote: These lynches are wrong. We're not hunting a confirmed scum here, we're just considering options. "Hmmm, I'm not feeling like chocolate today so lemme get strawberry ice cream" is wrong, it should be "Oh, I'm definitely feeling like caramel today!" I feel like no one has been conclusive with their reasonings why someone can be scum. We should try a different approach. Here is a thought, you know who's name haven't been mentioned at all by anyone today? + Show Spoiler + TW TW is town. It's probably just Chez actually | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:45 GMT
#1668
On June 30 2016 04:44 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 04:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 04:33 Skynx wrote: On June 30 2016 04:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 04:19 Skynx wrote: Wow thats like impossible just cuz he could have easily just go for the other target (I forgot who) cuz no one would blame him for not lynching Moosy cuz of his bs tactics. You are aware bussing is a thing right? And Moosy is someone likely to die at some point anyway. The cred could definitely be worth it. Plus, there'd have been a lot of backlash had he lynched a town Superbia, and in the eventuality of JVJ being scum it has to be him that brings it home. Alright so here are few reasons why this is not that good of a strategy: 1) Moosy nearly always survive day1 the way I understand the meta so if you really want to bus someone the target definitely should've been emp cuz some were sr'ing him anyway. 2) Emperor didn't really bus Moosy or tried to get credit for the kill either which he has done in newbie mafia. 3) If he really want's to get cred as mafia I'd think he woulda add some flair to his post like how HF or Palmar does, you know one of those 'I'm a fkin god' memes. I think his cred for his kill kinda went under the radar. 1) Yeah, but Moosy will die at some point in the game before LYLO. When he's mayor and pulls the trigger, he gets the cred. 2) Uhh? We know for a fact both Emperor and Moosy were scum so I'm not sure what you're getting at here. 3) He kind of has been, but he couldn't do it too much given he stated it wasn't as much of a lynch where he expected to hit scum as much as it was policy and how they 'should' flip mafia in that situation. Thinking of that, that might actually be the best reason yet why he might be town. 2) emp was getting scumread very highly. If lynching Moosy was a mafia decision he would surely put up some case on why we should lynch Moosy. I dunno how thats complicated... 2) Doesn't really need to when he's the one pulling the trigger. MD flipping red would give him all the cred he needs. I think it's Chez though. Mostly PoE. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:47 GMT
#1670
I just find it very difficult to actually vote for my friend | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:48 GMT
#1674
On June 30 2016 04:41 GlowingBear wrote: EC was really important for Mafia for he was the rolecop. With the rolecop ability EC could find the bodyguard faster. That's why Moosy sacrificed himself. That's why Mafia probably voted Jean Valjean day1 (so Mafia wouldn't lose probably their most important role). That's why Damdred, voting me then hammering Jean, should be the most suspicious person to you guys. Regardless of his play, all hard evidence points him to be EC's partner. It amuses me that you guys are town reading Damdred after all that. He needs to get out of our way, no matter how townie you believe Damdred can be. I'm talking about HARD EVIDENCE. Come on GB, you know just as well as I do that some people are incapable of doing certain things as mafia. Faking emotions is a big weak spot for Damdred. He doesn't get this upset in this way, nor would he not have conceded by now. Given he KNOWS there's NO WAY he won't be lynched before lylo he would've already conceded. He also wouldn't have tried this hard during the day. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:51 GMT
#1679
##Unvote ##Vote Chezinu | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:52 GMT
#1682
On June 30 2016 04:51 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 04:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 04:41 GlowingBear wrote: EC was really important for Mafia for he was the rolecop. With the rolecop ability EC could find the bodyguard faster. That's why Moosy sacrificed himself. That's why Mafia probably voted Jean Valjean day1 (so Mafia wouldn't lose probably their most important role). That's why Damdred, voting me then hammering Jean, should be the most suspicious person to you guys. Regardless of his play, all hard evidence points him to be EC's partner. It amuses me that you guys are town reading Damdred after all that. He needs to get out of our way, no matter how townie you believe Damdred can be. I'm talking about HARD EVIDENCE. Come on GB, you know just as well as I do that some people are incapable of doing certain things as mafia. Faking emotions is a big weak spot for Damdred. He doesn't get this upset in this way, nor would he not have conceded by now. Given he KNOWS there's NO WAY he won't be lynched before lylo he would've already conceded. He also wouldn't have tried this hard during the day. I don't really think he was emotional in this game and I'm not sure he wouldn't concede. This argument is WIFOM, btw. That may be exactly what he wants you to think. Oh come on, be realistic. Damdred has a scumteam of MD and EC whom die before D2 even starts. He has to live through D2, D3, D4, and D5 and you think he tries this hard? Give this a good, hard think through, please. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:54 GMT
#1687
On June 30 2016 04:52 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 04:40 Tictock wrote: It is no wonder we have the behavioral issues we have on this site, the only way people will believe anything you say is if you become an emotional trainwreck, something I will not allow myself to do because I am trying to set an example here. Even if it means getting lynched, which I believe should be every town's #1 priority to avoid. This is ironically a very emotionally based statement. I don't think this is actually true though some people like to use emotional reactions to base their reads on. Besides "he's trying to survive" is a very valid method of scum hunting. Motivations behind posting is very much something to be considered. Now that I'm thinking about it, you've been very vocal about how Town should play ... but I'm interested in what your thinking is regarding the best method town should employ when hunting scum. 1) everyone tries to survive. Read my #1 commandment on playing town, it's basically "try not to get lynched". 2) Everyone has their own way of scumhunting. I could write an essay about it, but it's usually a combination of multiple factors. Take current Artanis for example, he's very much a combination read for me. Scumpoint: Artanis is a good player who is playing extremely badly Townpoint: Artanis has a long filter Townpoint: Artanis is jolly and willing to chase random things, like smurfhunting, he's also being a dick in a way that feels townie Scumpoint: His logic was way off on day 1 and he let himself be pushed around Townpoint: He's still actively playing when his meta suggests he would usually quit or lower his effort as scum when this far behind. Townpoint: He is making a big play if he's mafia. If he knows I'll flip town he also knows massive attention will come to him when I'm dead. Scumpoint: He is one of the few players who might go for the "go big or go home" approach, sort of contesting my pervious point These are just random thoughts. Then there's tone in individual posts and interactions, and I don't weigh all points equally. In general it's easiest to find mafia when someone ticks many scum boxes. This means of course that my read on Artanis is swingy and conflicted, but in general I don't want to kill him becuase there's simply too many reasons not to. Because no one that is actually playing in this town ticks all the scum boxes, I simply think the most straightforward play is to kill Chezinu, who is uncharacteristically useless and by process of elimination the most likely to flip mafia. Oh, shut it. If it is in fact Chez then I've never given a hard townread on any scum and I managed to clear my name quite solidly. Your dickwaving happening during D1 also did little but prove you have a giant ego. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:55 GMT
#1688
On June 30 2016 04:54 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also he might've been looking to see if he could get away with lynching someone else if he's mafia. But it doesn't matter, JVJ's emotional-trainwreck post that claims not to be an emotional trainwreck probably makes him town. I just find it very difficult to actually vote for my friend Literally the cancer that's killing TL Mafia. Hint: I am perfectly aware my recent posting is emotional (despite claiming it isn't), does that change your opinion? Nope. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 19:56 GMT
#1691
On June 30 2016 04:53 GlowingBear wrote: Art, the only way I won't try to lynch damdy today is if you don't try to lynch Jean today. That's what I'm doing. Chop chop. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:00 GMT
#1698
On June 30 2016 04:59 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 04:49 Skynx wrote: On June 30 2016 04:34 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 30 2016 04:23 Tictock wrote: Eh maybe not. So Jean assume this crazy town does in fact lynch you. Would you say Chez should definitely be the next lynch? Probably Chez Possibly Artanis, but that's mostly because I don't want to live in a world where he is this bad and town. It's based on nothing but Artanis' skill level at the game. Maybe Skynx, in face of overwhelming ignorance he seems to KNOW I am town, and his contributions dropped off quite fast. I don't want to call for people's head for not being bad, but who knows. My suspicions on him is mostly based on his strong early game and weak game ever since (which might be mafia indicative). In general, I believe the game will sort of solve itself. GB is confirmed and unkillable so mafia must hunt for the bodyguard. We definitely have one unclaimed blue role so there's that too, which might help. I do apologise for my absence. It's basically due to the fact that after my 1st scum game, I think I played 1 very good town game and playing good right now aswell so I got lazy because i was so town. Also other stuff like work and all but lack of activity today is purely due to lazyness This is a relatively townie response to be honest. (tonally) [2] | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:00 GMT
#1702
On June 30 2016 04:59 Skynx wrote: Alright lets try this, who's everyone's next target if Damdred dies tonight? Whoever the most possible spite lynch is for the rest of the game. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:02 GMT
#1704
On June 30 2016 05:00 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 04:56 Tictock wrote: So GB... On June 25 2016 09:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: On June 25 2016 09:27 Damdred wrote: Oh emperor is interesting opinions would,be nice. i'm p sure he's town tbh. You think Moosy is defending his scum buddy Emp from his scum buddy Damdred here? That's wifom? Why couldn't he interact with Damdred? Protip: If your only explanation for every point brought up is wifom, you may be tunneled. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:03 GMT
#1707
On June 30 2016 04:53 GlowingBear wrote: Art, the only way I won't try to lynch damdy today is if you don't try to lynch Jean today. Still waiting for the followup on this. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:07 GMT
#1721
On June 30 2016 05:04 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 05:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 05:00 GlowingBear wrote: On June 30 2016 04:56 Tictock wrote: So GB... On June 25 2016 09:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: On June 25 2016 09:27 Damdred wrote: Oh emperor is interesting opinions would,be nice. i'm p sure he's town tbh. You think Moosy is defending his scum buddy Emp from his scum buddy Damdred here? That's wifom? Why couldn't he interact with Damdred? Protip: If your only explanation for every point brought up is wifom, you may be tunneled. Art A Mafia defends a Mafia from a Mafia. Is that possible or not? If the answer is "yes, it is possible", then considering Damdred is town because he soft defended EC is WIFOM. Everything is POSSIBLE. The question is "is it likely in the slightest?" The answer is "much less likely than him just being town, MUCH MUCH less likely for scum damdred to have this interaction AND not concede yet when he has to survive through 5 more lynches or something AND have very believable/sincere emotional replies AND be spontaneous and come up genuine as scum." He's never scum here. Chez is, as much as I love him, much more likely. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:07 GMT
#1723
On June 30 2016 05:05 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 05:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 04:53 GlowingBear wrote: Art, the only way I won't try to lynch damdy today is if you don't try to lynch Jean today. Still waiting for the followup on this. The answer must come from you o.o I already voted for Chez you dummy | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:09 GMT
#1728
On June 30 2016 05:07 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 05:05 Tictock wrote: On June 30 2016 04:51 Tumblewood wrote: I also don't like the way that tt jumped on Jean after art brought it up. He wasn't thinking about Jean until art made a case (which was not so convincing) and then immediately jumped on him. Actually it was Damdred that brought it up. So I went from Damdred being my main scumread to teaming up with him to take down the Mayor. I'm glad that you think I'm this good as scum though. you act as if taking down your town mayor is some sort of an achievement. I really, really hope it's just Chez and the game ends. I'm not sure I can take this game much longer, i'll become the monster inside, I will, in the end, lose this mask of kindness, of helpfulness, of transparency and love and become the beast I really am. you don't want the beast guys, you really don't want the beast. You were wearing a mask of kindness? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:11 GMT
#1733
On June 30 2016 05:10 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 05:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 05:05 GlowingBear wrote: On June 30 2016 05:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 04:53 GlowingBear wrote: Art, the only way I won't try to lynch damdy today is if you don't try to lynch Jean today. Still waiting for the followup on this. The answer must come from you o.o I already voted for Chez you dummy Rofl ok. You know what. I'll trust your read on Damdred in this game. But if he turns out to be Mafia and I lose the game after such great play I had just like I lost Himalaya's, I'll burn the entire Netherlands down with dead baby whales body oil I'll have after punching all baby orcas to death <3 | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:14 GMT
#1741
On June 30 2016 05:11 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 05:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 05:07 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 30 2016 05:05 Tictock wrote: On June 30 2016 04:51 Tumblewood wrote: I also don't like the way that tt jumped on Jean after art brought it up. He wasn't thinking about Jean until art made a case (which was not so convincing) and then immediately jumped on him. Actually it was Damdred that brought it up. So I went from Damdred being my main scumread to teaming up with him to take down the Mayor. I'm glad that you think I'm this good as scum though. you act as if taking down your town mayor is some sort of an achievement. I really, really hope it's just Chez and the game ends. I'm not sure I can take this game much longer, i'll become the monster inside, I will, in the end, lose this mask of kindness, of helpfulness, of transparency and love and become the beast I really am. you don't want the beast guys, you really don't want the beast. You were wearing a mask of kindness? You don't know the real me. Also, I did get a bit angry with you. Just a tiny bit. I may have thrown my mouse at the screen just very lightly, just a little bit. I count that as a moral victory. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:15 GMT
#1742
On June 30 2016 05:12 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 04:59 Skynx wrote: Alright lets try this, who's everyone's next target if Damdred dies tonight? Chezinu ... ... ... Artanis JVJ Superbia | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:16 GMT
#1745
On June 30 2016 05:15 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 05:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 05:11 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 30 2016 05:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 05:07 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 30 2016 05:05 Tictock wrote: On June 30 2016 04:51 Tumblewood wrote: I also don't like the way that tt jumped on Jean after art brought it up. He wasn't thinking about Jean until art made a case (which was not so convincing) and then immediately jumped on him. Actually it was Damdred that brought it up. So I went from Damdred being my main scumread to teaming up with him to take down the Mayor. I'm glad that you think I'm this good as scum though. you act as if taking down your town mayor is some sort of an achievement. I really, really hope it's just Chez and the game ends. I'm not sure I can take this game much longer, i'll become the monster inside, I will, in the end, lose this mask of kindness, of helpfulness, of transparency and love and become the beast I really am. you don't want the beast guys, you really don't want the beast. You were wearing a mask of kindness? You don't know the real me. Also, I did get a bit angry with you. Just a tiny bit. I may have thrown my mouse at the screen just very lightly, just a little bit. I count that as a moral victory. Well, if I'm right on Chez you've basically been a giant boulder in the road to town victory. I still love you, wounds heal. Not exactly, I've almost single-handidly prevented a Damdred mislynch! | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:17 GMT
#1747
As much as it pains me... | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:17 GMT
#1749
On June 30 2016 05:16 Skynx wrote: Wow, Chez is actually going down. I think its like the worst lynch right now cuz it will make today a total waste of time if he flips town. Pretty sure GB would be a worse lynch | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:18 GMT
#1750
On June 30 2016 05:17 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 05:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 05:11 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 30 2016 05:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 05:07 Jean Valjean wrote: On June 30 2016 05:05 Tictock wrote: On June 30 2016 04:51 Tumblewood wrote: I also don't like the way that tt jumped on Jean after art brought it up. He wasn't thinking about Jean until art made a case (which was not so convincing) and then immediately jumped on him. Actually it was Damdred that brought it up. So I went from Damdred being my main scumread to teaming up with him to take down the Mayor. I'm glad that you think I'm this good as scum though. you act as if taking down your town mayor is some sort of an achievement. I really, really hope it's just Chez and the game ends. I'm not sure I can take this game much longer, i'll become the monster inside, I will, in the end, lose this mask of kindness, of helpfulness, of transparency and love and become the beast I really am. you don't want the beast guys, you really don't want the beast. You were wearing a mask of kindness? You don't know the real me. Also, I did get a bit angry with you. Just a tiny bit. I may have thrown my mouse at the screen just very lightly, just a little bit. I count that as a moral victory. Can you rehash (or just find in your filter for me) the reason you townread Chez so hard at the beginning of day 1? On June 22 2016 00:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: My main objective this game will be explaining my townread on Chez, both regardless of my alignment and my read. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:18 GMT
#1751
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:21 GMT
#1755
On June 30 2016 05:20 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2016 04:16 Jealous wrote: On June 29 2016 03:35 Jealous wrote: Now I will construct my argument for a Damdred scumlean: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?user=Damdred If you look at the first page of his filter, he is all over the place. He gives out reads like candy with little to no substance, asks questions to multiple people about multiple other people which can all be boiled down to a simple "Why?" This seems like a classic case of misdirection and activity for the sake of activity. While the questions are pushing the game forward slightly (albeit blindly), he seems to mostly be building up his post count. + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2016 08:20 Damdred wrote: Let me be honest with you qt. Ignore moosey for all of d1, he automatically tries to do strange things d1 do no matter alignment he can survive till d2. Anyway art just easier to be on your good side atn On June 25 2016 08:25 Damdred wrote: I'm just saying don't make any judgements about moose till d2 as he will mostly be trollin. But unimportant. Well tumble just a gut feeling, his sort of dodging super and being kinda meh got me,there. I think there was one answer in particular about super if I remember right that bugged me. It's still early Here he gives the advice to outright ignore Moosy, as opposed to my stance which was "Moosy is not helping town." Yet, he seems it fitting to judge me for my stance? Hypocrisy at its finest. He pretty much gives him a free pass into D2. In the second quote you can also see how he makes a soft push with gut but then takes a step back within two lines; this is quintessential fluff posting, that if skimmed over may seem like he is trying to work out the game but it really contributes nothing. + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2016 08:30 Damdred wrote: Idk why I'm taking this game serious: (. I think because I live the host and cohosts How exactly is he taking this game seriously up until this point? This seems like one of those things where if read in a vacuum, it serves to establish himself was useful when he's been anything but. + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2016 08:54 Damdred wrote: Never lynching me Gliwingbear ever. Anyeay, art is right I'm trying to dial in so I'm a good person to sheep. As for the day pass yeah I generally give moosey one and it serves ok. It's like giving ls a day pass just works so well. All-around terrible post that is also revealing. + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2016 09:22 Damdred wrote: I think art v qt is t v t. Its good though keep it up. "It's good though, let's let two people who I townread continue fighting in order to waste more time in D1." + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2016 09:25 Damdred wrote: Like right now I have a small town circle of Super, art, qt, tumble, Damdred D1 pass moosey So already we have a nice schmuck taken out. This is the third time he has mentioned a D1 pass for Moosy in under 20 posts. + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2016 12:19 Damdred wrote: Man chez is so town I feel he's going at the top of my town circle. Seriously. The house of brown is great can I be a member this game chez and bring the politics of brown here? Anyway I really can't substantiate my reads tonight as I'm in a movie I'll do it tommorow. And they all can be broke down as meta/shallow reasons atm. But my early gut reads are good meh. I want to hear more on emperor and want tt to be in thread Another freepass to Chez a la Artanis. "House of Brown" - doesn't take much intelligence to realize that this means playing a vague Red/Green alignment? What benefit does this have to town? Why does Damdred suck up to this mentality and want to become a participant in this detrimental and vague practice? + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2016 12:23 Damdred wrote: It's interesting only people I'd be happy lynching into today Tt, sk, Jin, jealous Emperor im not sure of yet kinda want to put him out of conversation. But Im not sure why I don't buy the town reads on sk it just doesn't feel or look right to me yet. Mostly policy reads so this is excusable, but giving a pass to EC? That's 2/2 scum D1 passes granted. How do you get off on questioning MY reads of EC/Moosy on D1 when this is your stance? More to come. + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2016 23:50 Damdred wrote: How am i pushing shitty scum reads again? Why are my townreads super lazy again when i've beat most of the game to the same reads exactly? This post is terrible, largely because his scum reads ARE shitty (TT, SK, JVJ, Jealous) because they were all policy lynches. Those are base level scum reads. You make those based on a lack of content as opposed to anything actually said. His townreads ARE super lazy and his stance is NOT vindicated by the fact that they are the popular reads at this juncture; popularity does not imply that his reads had any substance to begin with. He gave out townreads with zero evidence, which is super lazy. Also, super easy if you actually do know who town is, being scum. + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2016 00:43 Damdred wrote: Give good reasoning on them right now TT. since you want to lambast all of my reads and say they are all shit lets see it with a decent explanation. Instead of proffering any explanation on his own reads, he pushes TT to explain HIS. + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2016 01:09 Damdred wrote: But on the other hand kind of want to townreads tt....hrmmm decisions come after food Already flip-flopping only 26 minutes after the prior post; maybe he decided that TT was not an easy target anymore? Or maybe he wanted to appease TT so that TT wouldn't counter-pressure him into actually substantiating any of his claims? + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2016 04:04 Damdred wrote: Well we can't have everyone town read there has to be a scum even outside moosey for you tumble. And Tt idk he just wasn't very smart in his postings took a post that was a compliment to him not being lynch bait now tried to use it to scum read me, and has been boring sense trying to make mud stick. Flips on TT yet again. Also tries to divert attention from Moosy yet again. + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2016 12:46 Damdred wrote: Seriously why don't we make me mayor? I'm still a good player, I'm obviously going to try this game and with double votes mafia has to kill me before lylo anyway. It's the best of both worlds, a good dialed in scum hunting damdred with double votes The summary of all of his (multiple) posts trying to get into a position of power. No substance at all besides "I'm a good player, guys!" + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2016 22:25 Damdred wrote: Nobody else over moosey super? How can one defend Moosy so much and get away with it? He goes on to make some long posts @Superbia where he actually does provide some content and explanations, but still pushes for a policy lynch on me. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 00:05 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 00:04 GlowingBear wrote: Jesus you guys give people free town passes too easily Nope Lol. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 00:26 Damdred wrote: Dear God super I've explained twice why I think jealous is mafia. For asking me so many questions you aren't reading ny posts at all? I've been well,documented thinking Tt is scum More like he stated multiple times why he wants to lynch me for inactivity and flip-flopped on TT multiple times. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 00:57 Damdred wrote: I won't vote gb or super and neither should have the pardoned position. And gb it's because you don't do well with these sorts of decisions tbh. While I tr both all a sudden the last few pages have made me kind of suspicious on super just seems off now. I would like to be pardoner or mayor. There will always be debate but I am one of the best players in this game. And idk why art isn't voting for me rip. I have to check the timestamp but I think this is before he votes GB. This is another one of his "I am the best player, so I should be mayor," and another buttbuddy request to Art and Chez, a few of which I have omitted above because that's all they really are. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 02:12 Damdred wrote: Where did I give ec a pass I've been,trying to decide if he's scum or been for awhile I didn't,mind his early posts. And these later ones aren't horrid he's at least thinking. On June 27 2016 02:18 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2016 12:23 Damdred wrote: It's interesting only people I'd be happy lynching into today Tt, sk, Jin, jealous Emperor im not sure of yet kinda want to put him out of conversation. But Im not sure why I don't buy the town reads on sk it just doesn't feel or look right to me yet. Gen I guess I did give him a halfway day pass Horrible lie, good thing he got called for it. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 02:19 Damdred wrote: I'm trying to remember what I was seeing. I think he said some things that were ok but kinda side lined wanted to see more from him. But I probably would retract it but he's had some decent posts and went after a hard target so idk if I would lynch today This is about EC. "I'm trying to remember what I was seeing," when not too long prior he was supposedly reading filters, which he still could have done in order to better answer this question. Still hadn't given any concrete evidence thus far. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 02:50 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 02:47 emperorchampion wrote: On June 27 2016 02:43 emperorchampion wrote: On June 27 2016 02:40 GlowingBear wrote: Reminder: I AM NAMED VT Vote me for mayor but REMEMBER TO SPREAD YOUR VOTES WITH SOMEONE VERY TOWNIE Don't just vote me or you'll let Mafia have an easy time to decide the pardonner Whether or not this is true, this is such a good play since you won't be able to be cop read once you are pardoner. Actually has anybody discussed this, other than the fact that it's pretty much un-cc'able? I would feel OK about this if it were any other green / blue role. Ec can be town today. Its a good thought. Although I agreed with this at the time, and still do (about it being a good thought), in the context of Damdred's posts I wouldn't think it surprising that this is an example of collusion in a Mafia QT in order to have EC save some face and Damdred jumped on it instantly. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 05:05 Damdred wrote: Ooooo crap jealous is scum. He was the first to scum read chez and hasn't played with him. Come brothers it,must be done. So quick to create a wagon on me and suck up to Chez, in one breath and with no other rationale. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 05:08 Damdred wrote: God the more I read the jealous post the more I hate it. The gb read doesn't make sense at all, it sounds like a scum read for lack of activity no real contribution to the game. But town leans him anyway. God that's craxy On June 27 2016 05:09 Damdred wrote: Like jealous isn't even reading the game it seems as its clear why gb is getting mayor because he's claimed blue lol? On June 27 2016 05:16 Damdred wrote: Just feels nm so fabricated idk what else to say about jealous reads. A lot of safe reads I think or ones that seem safe. Maybe I'm tainted by a bit of omgus but the list just seems strange to me. On June 27 2016 05:17 Damdred wrote: Idc about that now, really want other people's opinions about jealous read post. Really everyone weigh in On June 27 2016 05:44 Damdred wrote: That's the thing though jealous the whole,basis for gb running for mayor is in his filter. And also your read still sounds like a scum read that ends in a non logical concussion. Would still lynch Tt first for,not doing anything at all On June 27 2016 05:54 Damdred wrote: Lynch Tt Jean blah Ironic when 1. he misread my GB read in the first place and 2. he has done far less in order to substantiate his own claims. Pushes very hard for my or TT lynch. Is this what he meant by vindicated? + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 05:57 Damdred wrote: I also think moosey flips town though meh. Just a gut feel nothing to base it on Some things don't change. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2016 07:13 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2016 07:13 Chezinu wrote: On June 27 2016 06:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 06:50 Jealous wrote: On June 27 2016 06:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 06:42 Jealous wrote: On June 27 2016 06:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 06:36 Damdred wrote: Art I think w should move jealous up into the probably town. Had a thought about him and his moosey read. Jean had a decent shot being mayor and lynching moosey wouldn't be a bad play to hard bus moosey there. Instead he gives a pretty good rationale read of a null. Also even though moosey was about to flip scum he continued to give us reads because he had them, done. Its kind of weak and,maybe a bit dumb but I think he's town now. Why is sk so High again? I thought he was town already but yeah that's good reasoning. Skynx is that high because of his case on me which I find difficult to come from newbie scum. On June 27 2016 06:38 Jealous wrote: On June 27 2016 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 27 2016 06:33 Jealous wrote: [quote] Could you elaborate on why Chezinu is such a strong townread for you? I didn't see anything in his filter that would make me townread him, especially not so strongly. Start of my filter To me this makes the rest of your reads feel diluted if you are mixing in joke reads into them. What are your true feelings about Chezinu's filter? I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. No offense, but I find bias to be a poor mentality for this sort of game. Let me rephrase the question - What are your objective thoughts on Chezinu's filter? In other words, if you were not his friend, what would you make of his participation so far? I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. I don't like this answer ): Objectively analyzing a filter and sharing your conclusions would be to the benefit of the town, and you are dodging the responsibility. I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. Think he is jealous? Are we friends chez? He's STILL pushing this alliance, so desperately. I'm not surprised that Art jumped on his bandwagon against me now. Everything after this is more recent. So, conclusions: 1. Weak early game that he tries to claim was strong. 2. Baseless pushes for mayor/pardoner. 3. Constantly sucking up to Chez/Artanis in order to get a townie alliance going. 4. A lot of hypocrisy and flip-flopping. 5. A lot of EC/Moosy defense and free-pass giving. ##Vote Damdred This is actually a really good case... DON'T EVEN DARE I will literally spite-afk-vote for you the entire game if you switch to Damdred till one of us is dead. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:23 GMT
#1760
On June 30 2016 05:22 Superbia wrote: Art I don't think you should really hard defend Damdred like this tbh. =/ I'm like 99.9999% certain he's town. I'd probably make bets if it were allowed | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:24 GMT
#1764
On June 30 2016 05:23 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 05:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 05:22 Superbia wrote: Art I don't think you should really hard defend Damdred like this tbh. =/ I'm like 99.9999% certain he's town. I'd probably make bets if it were allowed Yeh but then who is scum if chez isn't? Jean? TT? :s I just don't see it being anyone but Chez. Maaybe Jean, maaybe you but both of those are very long shots. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:27 GMT
#1770
Don't lynch Damdred. I will be very upset if you do. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:47 GMT
#1810
On June 30 2016 05:40 Superbia wrote: If chez is the last scum then townies did a very good job at projecting town. Best way to solve games. On June 30 2016 05:47 Skynx wrote: Kill Jean. Explain? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:51 GMT
#1821
On June 30 2016 05:49 Skynx wrote: His Damdred vote came out of absolutely nothing, he's now switching to Chez for absolutely nothing aswell. There is more i can quote and shit but no time rly. Eh, he might possibly be scum but this wouldn't be why imo. Chez still feels like the most likely. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:52 GMT
#1823
On June 30 2016 05:51 Skynx wrote: This entire day I was waiting for someone to jump on Damdred train and he did when Damdy was like townest, he played really good last 24h. I do kinda like this. COULD be convinced to switch since I feel he's the only one it can really be besides Chez but don't want the game to needlessly take 3 more days x_x | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:54 GMT
#1828
On June 30 2016 05:51 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 05:49 Skynx wrote: His Damdred vote came out of absolutely nothing, he's now switching to Chez for absolutely nothing aswell. There is more i can quote and shit but no time rly. Damdred vote came out of a super long good case written by jealous. I had a super long good case on someone once. + Show Spoiler + On May 02 2013 21:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Subject name: Bloodyc0bbler Nickname: The Cobbler Profile: Mafia Future: Lynched by the mob of justice. Show nested quote + At the start of the game, BlazingHand wrote to Bloodyc0bbler: You're a scummy sonuvabitch aintcha, your teammates are Tube, Clarity_nl, ShiaoPi and some other semi-afk dude lol enjoy This annoys the cobbler, which can be seen in his first post in the game. A post which announces the tunnel he will put himself in for the rest of the game. Show nested quote + On April 22 2013 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 22 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote: On April 22 2013 12:56 Ace wrote: so instead of looking at the people currently here, you're waiting for lurkers? awesome plan you got there. I already said I think most of the people posting (Rayn, Sharrant, Giygas) seem town. You, on the other hand, are worth looking at. Mafia is a game about finding mafia not town + waiting on lurkers for more reads? How about you analyze whos already here. Also still catching up but this is the single worst post ive seen to this point of reading BC instantly calls Yamato likely scum and calls OO scum for suggesting that claiming miller is acceptable. So far, we've had only one person that claimed self-aware miller and I'm pretty sure he's town. It seems likely that BC wanted millers to stay hidden to give scum a chance for a mislynch in case they get checked. Town players that claim miller are excellent since it reduces from the pool of players that give detectives false information, and if scum has no intention of claiming miller, they certainly don't want town players to do so. It's also an easy way to look like you're contributing. The full exchange between OO and BC can be found in OO's case so I won't reiterate that. BC, the player who had a strong scumread on Yamato never bothers to truly push him. Instead, he blabbers on about millers as if it'll get him anywhere. It won't, and he knows it won't, but he'd rather keep talking about that than actually having to push his scumread. Why doesn't he do so? It's fairly obvious. Once Yamato flips green, all eyes would be turned to him and his filter wouldn't survive the scrutiny. So he pushes Yamato weakly. Never asks people what they thought of him, just answering questions when people decide to look into the case. And the case is pretty damn awful. Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok lets move into the land of posting. First off let me ask you all a question as you have been active this day. For all the "scum" reads I have garnered why is it only a single player has even pushed an analysis of any sort on me? This is coming from someone I pushed day 1, Yamato. Since then I have see others share the sentiment of BC must be scum. 0 reasons have followed aside from activity. My activity that I stated straight out that I was not going to be around for. Now we have someone like Yamato claiming we should kill me before I return to avoid ruining town atmosphere meanwhile he has spent the day floundering over his reads, then telling people we should lynch into the ace/palmar/BC pool. Guess what? read his filter for this current day. Find me him pushing anyone on analysis. Show me him trying to consolidate the town on any central lynch. He suggests names then changes them. The only constant is me but he never just pushes me. He is still not actively pushing me. Why? If i am his #1 scum read this game he would be trying to push my death faster and surer than anything else he has done this game day. Instead? He just mentions my name. Read his filter. End of page 5 and on. Tell me where he gives an analysis post or solid read that is based on any substance. Tell me where he tries to prove my original statement of him being scum wrong. He has done absolutely nothing but attempt to blend into the crowd while calling names? Why? Because if I get lynched then he follows me to death as hes pushing for a death on a townie. He knows damn well that he will get shot / lynched on my flip thus is not pushing for my death. He also mentions we should lynch into the me / ace / palmar group. He never does a solid method of analysis on either just blanket says we should lynch into this group to find scum. Why isn't he attempting to help? Because he knows there are misslynches in there and does not want the fallback on his own head. Why if he also believes ace could be scum why no analysis on ace? Why is the only post on palmar being red a WIFOM argument. Why does he have a vote on VE if he wants me dead of all people? Simple. Yamato is scum. Thankfully Yamato's scumbuddy Mr.Cheesecake also jumped out of the wood work. Cheesecake has a 5 page filter. Between calling himself Town, he finds time to quote/post lists on reads that don't count as real town contributions. What has he done on his own? Nothing. He has found the ability to follow Yamato's lead all through the last game day where he agreed with ace on Yamato being bad. Why would you sheep the guy you think is bad? Why would you spend time attempting to confirm a player as town based on night shots on the grounds of "i don't think scum would defensively jailkeeper" n1. Why wouldn't they? Its the one night you can't get shot. Toss it on one of your goons or powerrole you don't intend on using to create a stupid wifom argument in which town goes "he must be legit" Says he wants to lynch ShiaoPi yet spends more time in his filter mentioning me as scum than the guy he wants to lynch. Given the massive level of non contributions while attempting to blend in he cannot be town. Also, for anyone accusing me for being scum based on my lack of contribution. Please filter dive your beloved Ace and Palmar and tell me what either have done to convince you of being town. Both are "active" while not actively helping the town in any positive way. Since when would Ace base his reads/lynch of the reads of another player. Go read his game history. Ace does the shit ace wants to do and pushes it when town. He is not taking this town by the reins or even actively attempting to lead the lynches. Palmar is in the same boat. Read this case, and read it thoroughly. It is full of shit. Yamato has created 3 cases at this point and pushed for them stronger than BC has on anyone. Consolidating on town is a shit argument because it's an instant majority game with no deadline so how the FUCK does that make anyone scum? It doesn't, it's just bullshit padding. Then there's a whole bunch of loaded questions he asks and answers himself with no content whatsoever. To top it all off, he adds a second scumspect that he never mentioned before in the same post and finishes the same post off with a defense of himself. he never wanted this case to be looked at. He never wanted yamato lynched. Would this be the case a cobbler makes to get someone lynched? Is this the fear of any scumteam that causes him to get shot N1 every time? No. It's awful, and he needs to die for it. These are the first posts he made instantly after he posted his case. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2013 05:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 26 2013 04:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: why would town jail BC? I started to reply to this post and realized that I'm making the assumption that there has to be a scum jailer. There doesn't does there? Why does town have to have a Jailer? Scum having two "rbers" isn't uncommon nor is town not having medics. Setup speculation serves no real basis on how to analyze if someone is town/scum. On April 26 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EBWOP Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers, On April 26 2013 05:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 26 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EBWOP Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers, Given the absence of actual RBers it does NOT make sense that scum have zero too. This is the basis of my assumption. And I'm not basing wanting to lynch Palmar off the RB claim. I think he's scum based on what he's done in the game. As would I. I am merely pointing it out based on the comment made about "why would town jail bc" I would want to lynch Palmar for same reasons people would say "lynch bc for" What people don't realize Is i took a firm stance day 1 on a lynch and Palmar nor Ace did. They sheeped. On April 26 2013 05:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Interesting point VE. I actually agree with it as well No mention of Yamato or Mr. CC, he just instantly jumps back to town sentiment. He doesn't give a shit about actually getting Yamato lynched, he'd be fine with a Palmar lynch, or whoever town wants to lynch, as long as it isn't him. Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you? Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though This is the last time he mentions Yamato for a long time other than in passing, the player he has a 100% scumread on. WHY DOES HE NOT CARE ABOUT GETTING HIS 100% SCUMREAD LYNCHED?!??! Anyway, the thread goes on with suspicion being cast upon Clarity and Shiao, two people we later found out were scum. BC's initial response: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 26 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC what do you think of the candidates who are/were on the table on D2 besides yamato, particularly VE, ShiaoPi, Clarity? Clarity has done nothing to change my read of him d1, VE is not mafia in my books and shiao is completely mia thus should be dealt with by vigi's in my books. People who rarely contribute and spend more time lurking who have no real basis for a scum read should be dealt with by vigi's until they have said enough to warrant a lynch. Of that block you could argue clarity could be lynched, but he is not the scummiest player in the game thus has a higher chance of flipping town over say yamato/cheesecake/ace/palmar A null read and they should be dealt with with a vigi. No one really cared about getting either lynched. Following thread sentiment, seems legit. Then, he sees one of his buddies make a bad post. He knows people are suspecting Shiao already. Since he's inactive, he mind as well go for it and collect some towncred. Show nested quote + On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping? I am suddenly very fine with lynching you Buut Shiao answers decently and BC notices that town doesn't want to lynch Shiao, so he lets it go. Show nested quote + On April 27 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay that explains a lot. You know sometimes people realize they are arguing with a townie and let go. Anyways i'm not interested in lynching ShiaoPi today. Show nested quote + On April 27 2013 03:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 03:19 ShiaoPi wrote: On April 27 2013 03:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote: On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping? I am suddenly very fine with lynching you Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things. It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is. I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on. The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush. Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment --->Strong preference to also vote for VE Votes on Clarity are: Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace Sharrant is probably town rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated. OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me. Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar ---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity. Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya Why don't you discuss any of the other potential scum candidates, why didnt you make a solid post about why you think VE is scum or clarity is scum? If you have time to read, and know you are going to be inactive it seems the logical move as a townie would be to post why you are doing x to avoid being called out on it. Instead you don't do that. Instead you jump in, vote, and attempt to flee instantly. I did not discuss them as incidentally my strongest reads are on VE and on Clarity right now. I have a lingering suspicion on Gigays which is weakening to stupid townie currently and I am wary of Stutters, but that is more due to the fact that he replaced in and has not done much yet. Weak argument but he did replace DrH who is usually a very vocal person. As you seem to disagree with the way I am playing, I just want to say that I am posting about why I a mdoing what, probably not to the satisfaction of most people in the thread when I glance eat the voting thread but that is just the way I do it now. Looks to you like jumping in dropping and vote and running off i guess, but truth is, it is late, I am tired, I do still want to play this game so I am allocating time I could use for sleep to this game in order to not only save towm from a potential mislynch but also to push what i believe to be scum. You can read that as you want it, but at least to me it is definetyl not fleeing, heck I am here answering to you That you are which is some points in your favour. You understand where i am coming from though? That I had to pressure you to get information that you should have presented in the first post? I will let you get sleep but I do expect more from you than sheeping players because "they are good" especially when said players are not doing that much Backing off weakly on his scumbuddy because it wasn't necessary to sacrifice him here just yet. It's interesting to note how he jumps on Shiao so strongly, yet hasn't commented on Yamato's posts at all in quite some time. His #1 scumread is forgotten. He hasn't even responded to any posts Mr. CC made either, which is another one of his suspects. Show nested quote + On April 27 2013 05:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 27 2013 05:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied. I would attest that he's already responded insanely badly. As would I, however its also selfish as I want to have the night period one I can actually talk if required. If we end it now, I can only ensure being around for 4-5 hours of it at most and thats pushing it alot. Hold on hold on hold on VE I don't actually want Yamato lynched I just want to pressure him! So eventually, Yamato responds to the case. BC's response: Show nested quote + On April 27 2013 07:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote: On April 27 2013 07:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Ace why are you focusing on the wagons? Why not outlying voters? I recognize i am not ace. However I would hazard a guess its this. By focusing on the wagons and clearing them of the mafia on them you end up with a list of confirmed or semi confirmed players as town. IE it does two things at once. BC, what do you say to my response? Since you're obviously here, reading. still mulling it over. I am happy I waited to let you respond rather than trying to lynch you while you were gone however. Does this look like someone who was 100% convinced Yamato was scum? No. He never actually gets back to it either. There's one point in his favour and that's that he calls both Clarity and Shiao likely mafia, but he knew they were likely to die. He didn't have enough towncred to prevent it, and he wouldn't be able to save them anyway so he just went with the flow, as BC has been doing the entire game. Following thread sentiment. So the cobbler has been pretty inactive for a while from here, only making a few posts here and there that essentially say nothing. Thus, VE calls him out. Show nested quote + On April 28 2013 23:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Problem I see with BC is that yamato's play is genuinely bad for yamato if he's town and I can see BC thinking yamato is scum based on what's in the thread. However I agree that BC will generally take a long-view of the game and produce more targets. What I find most interesting however was around the D2 lynch...when Ace and I were arguing between Shiao and Clarity, BC had nothing to add one way or the other...he was content to just sit, watch and eventually cast his vote. I'm waiting to see what BC brings to the table D3 before making a judgement on him. And pronto, BC shits out a few reads on lurkers that would surprise absolutely no one. Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 02:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BC's List of people who should be shot/checked/lynched. This list is created based on many variables. My belief is all are scum/third party given current information pool. Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum. Artanis[xp]. This guy is intriguing. He has since joining the game replacing drazak done a lot of defending VE, made a lot of excuses of "lazy and haven't read up on x players, or filtered my main scum reads" Aside from not being overly helpful in terms of pushing the lynch along or even voting at all. The conversations he has had in thread are very superficial and easily left unnoticed as if hes attempting to be appear active without being active. hopeless1nder. He has done absolutely nothing this game. His biggest reads are "sharrant is scum" who if i recall properly was one of the first people to heavily push clarity, when his biggest reason for sharrant is scum is based on one specific read he has. He also ignored clarity almost completely as someone to talk about because of his read on sharrant. Given that clarity was also talked about by Ace, VE, and the like it should be at least something he mentions when he votes. Yamato. I have stated many things about this guy. I am not the only person who has called him out for his performance. Anyone who finds this suspicious or odd of me should more be asking "why does bc still have this guy as a scum read" when the answer is very clear in his filter. Sylencia. To many weird posts. I can't explain them in the least and they just have a feeling of "off" On April 27 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote: Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can. ##Vote ShiaoPi This for one is very weird to me. I say this because the reasoning to push the lynch onto Shiao is just weird. We don't know if he will get modkilled so pushing the lynch off to someone else is imo scummy. I also view it as a defense move of clarity. This alone is not enough for me to say scum however when I looked through his filter and found On April 25 2013 01:28 Sylencia wrote: CC - Kush Town Voted Getmoript due to wishy washyness Unvoted due to incident. Leaned towards oats based on effort. Wants to lynch ShiaoPi Sharrent Town read Note: Mentions being town billions of times WaveOfShadow: VE Town Read Voted Getmoript due to answer dodging Unvoted due to incident. Becomes a bit suspicious of VE due to lack of posting. Sharrant town read Suspicious of ShiaoPi due to attack on Sharrant Reinforced Sharrant town read grush: bandwagons yamato suspects gigyas due to bandwagon. a lot of off topic comments Note: I'm suspicious of grush here for his hypocritical reasoning: On April 24 2013 04:42 grush57 wrote: Gigyas He literally reposts what others say a page later and contributes jack shit to get on a bandwagon between 2 town players, yamato and oats. He also screams scummy through the power of starsenses. Yet his bandwagon: On April 23 2013 05:01 grush57 wrote: I guess I didn't because I'm not sure yet of who to lynch and who would get lynched. I would glady do it though. When asked about whether he would vote Yamato. Tube: ??? Drazak: Has posted, but has never returned since. Giygas: Suspected Oats due to attitude and lack of posts. Hopeless not suspected as scum Sharrant town read Would've supported yamato lynch if hammertime. Sylencia: Semi-suspected TRN due to the rayn defense provided Suspects Rayn due to inconsistent statements about miller lynch / scum suspicion of BM Wagoned on Oats due to lack of town contribution from Oats. VisceraEyes: Early on uneasy about Palmar. Voted getmoript for bad case against yamato (?) Suspected yamato due to "Oh well you know my posting was INTENTIONALLY bad". types of posts voted BM due to his response to BC (quote is below) On April 23 2013 07:51 Bill Murray wrote: first off, i was just scum with him, and i don't think he's scum this game what makes the bolded so bad? i don't see it. that's actually when it started getting a more lilting tone, and felt like he was trying to be big-papa-bear, to me Note: I don't see what is so bad about this post in general, apparently it comes off as antagonistic. Switches to yamato a few hours later without ever mentioning BM again, despite already getting a response from him and being responded to with a request for an explanation. Says he can get behind an Oats lynch. Only now does he decide to actually read yamato's filter. (Vote was originally pure omgus) switches to oats for original suspicion of oats (2 points above) Note: Reading the filter and looking at some of the points in context such as the argument for BM has made me feel rather suspicious towards VE. Now, I will continue going through everyone's filters for their suspicions and other points tomorrow if I am still alive (public holiday hooray), but from what I have seen as of so far, I would like opinions on VE and grush (am I missing something about grush gameplay here?) Also, I fully know well that filter dive posts doesn't show anything about alignment, so no need to mention that too thx This is a summary post. It is a very fucked up way to play and imo does not help at all in the slightest. It summarizes some peoples play at that point in the game. The thing that stands out most to me however is that he chose tube. Why would you add a player who has not posted at all as a player to summarize? Given the awkwardness of its structure / how it says nothing new at all I feel it + the previous post I quoted are pretty damning. WaveofShadow. This guy has been discussed a bunch already. I feel he has to be dealt with because of his claim. The only way I am comfortable with him not dying is if he seriously steps up and plays solidly and gives me a reason to think of him as a miller and not confirmed scum. Look at this part on Yamato. It's not telling people why they should lynch Yamato, it's telling people "I'm not scum because I have reasons for my suspicion on him!" In no way does this push Yamato in any way, it's just his justification for finding him scummy. So it turns out BC didn't find Yamato's response satisfactory, yet he never bothered to respond to it. Why not? Because he didn't want it in the limelight. Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 09:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 29 2013 09:14 Ace wrote: BC ignore Palmar for now. I've got my sights on yamato and VE. where are yours? Yamato and stutters. VE normally can't fool my senses this hard as scum. I can see him as 3p but not scum. So now BC's main suspects are Yamato and Stutters. What did BC say about Stutters again? Show nested quote + Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum. He already said that he didn't know where Stutters stood until Shiao flipped. Earlier in the game, he indicated that he suspected both Shiao and Clarity, yet surprisingly Shiao disappeared from his to be shot list. BC has not forgotten about him clearly since he mentions that Shiao is still alive, yet he wants to kill Stutters for derailing a lynch from a person he thought was scum to a person he knows is scum. Other than that, the only reason he pushes Stutters is inactivity. Yet it's his second strongest suspect? Why? And where did Mr. CC go in all of this? Nowhere does BC explain that read evolving. Show nested quote + On April 30 2013 09:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: + Show Spoiler + dts already know the checks of eachother. Makes more sense to make mafia wifom and check some of those checks who are still alive and confirm eachothers checks. That way you can semi confirm eachothers sanities via eachothers checks. It also means its harder for mafia to frame successfully. Also OO why would I be backed into a corner? I know I am town, I know Palmars check means 1) I am a miller and he is sane 2) I am town and was framed and he is sane 3) He is insane/paranoid 4) he is mafia. Given that we don't know his sanity, also given that he was receiving a large amount of doubt on his alignment, given that I know I was rb'ed n1 and he claims he was yet we only have one claim of it n2 and that looks fishy as fuck I am more inclined to think hes mafia. He promised to analyze me and instead pops out with a "im a cop with a red check". Given his experience it was a terrible play and thus again solidifies him as red in my mind. CC's counter claim was odd given how fast it came out, as was VE's. I would guess one or both of these two are legit dts and the other could be a fake. Aside from all this dt plotting nonsense I think its clear we have no vigi's and if we have a jack he's holding his abilities back for some reason. We should still be looking at whos likely scum. Throughout all this nonsense I still have strong suspicions on stutters, artanis, hopeless and until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well. Where did Yamato go? Why are Hopeless and me suddenly on the list? It looks like he has 6 players on a list and just randomly RNGs which one he mentions next. No justification, no reason why Yamato is missing and why myself or hopeless is suddenly on the list. What's also interesting is his soft pushing of Palmar. He mentions Palmar a lot in his filter and argues with him a bit, but he never actually pushes for his lynch. It's the same in this post. "Until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well." This is not a push by any means, it just provides an easy scapegoat later. "Look, I did accuse him!" Show nested quote + On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently. We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since. Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum. We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time. "Please don't kill my scumbuddy jailer yet, I'd like to roleblock another detective and lynch one before we do that." Show nested quote + On May 01 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 01 2013 05:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 30 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote: On April 30 2013 22:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 30 2013 22:30 TheRavensName wrote: On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently. We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since. Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum. We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time. Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar. Me Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake. I claimed this day 2 -_- BC I'm rooting for you to win in the upcoming match! Ace looks way more townie though, but he tried to oppose my ShiaoPi lynch, and verily called him town for two days. I have faith that if you're townie you'll make me see it soon enough. In the meantime know that I'm pulling for you. Why would I care about Ace in said argue match? He is clearly not mafia in my books. He could be 3p but forcing a lynch onto a scum from another scum when both were insanely inactive and useless doesn't scream like a scum move. That screams like ace liking his lynch choice more than anyone else. I think I have made it insanely clear that Palmar is scum or 3p at this point. His actions don't make sense in any way from a town standpoint. So just a while back Palmar was scum until he stopped trolling, and now he's scum or 3p for sure. BC knew Palmar wasn't going to change, he just wanted some time before he actually called him scum. Not that he actually pushes for anyone, mind you. He just continues to spend his time defending himself and talking setup/mechanics rather than actually pushing anyone. A trend he has had the entire game. BC then goes into inactivity and just posts a bunch of oneliner replies to questions without any real content or purpose. There's no force behind anything. He's playing meek. Oh yeah, remember about Yamato being 100% scum? Show nested quote + On May 01 2013 09:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 01 2013 09:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 01 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote: BC: Palmar or Yamato - who gets the lynch tomorrow and why? I believe I have summed up before in earlier posts about my suspicions of him no? If you need a new summary He has done basically nothing to help the town He appears to only be doing what he does for shits and giggles He claimed DT with one red check purely to get me lynched when he knows dts can have sanity issues He has promised analysis and never delivered I believe because of these things he is scum On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you? Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though What has changed? Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy. So he's only 80% sure of Yamato being scum now. Given that he named 4 names earlier and Yamato wasn't one of them anymore (me, Hopeless, Stutters and Palmar), that must mean he was more than 80% sure on the four of us. Strange given there are only 2 scum players left. Show nested quote + On May 01 2013 09:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Keep in mind VE, I still think Yamato is very likely to flip mafia, I just believe Palmar is going to flip mafia for sure. HE'S SO CERTAIN YET HE'S NOT PUSHING ANYONE STRONGLY, HE'S JUST ANSWERING RANDOM QUESTIONS ABOUT PLAYERS Then there's this. Show nested quote + On May 01 2013 09:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 09:33 Ace wrote: On May 01 2013 09:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote: The narrative I've managed to work out in my head feels rather conspiracy-theorist, so I'm not sure if I'm right or not. Wishy washy stances, yeah yeah, but it's something I've been thinking about since the syl flip. So assuming Shiao is mafia, that makes the day 2 wagons BOTH mafia. People that felt there was little difference between them would be largely absolved, in my opinion. What would then be strange were the two people who argued over the two of them, VE and Ace. As I said before, there is a clear scum motivation in saving Shiao and bussing Clarity, because Clarity was likely to be mod killed anyway and highly inactive. Ace proposes that this lost the scum team 2 KP, and it did, but it actually served to SAVE a scum member, since before Ace's push, Shiao was the one getting lynched. Some time in day 2, people began to realize just how inactive Clarity was, and it became apparent that he was more than likely to be mod killed. So the Clarity bus, assuming Shiao is mafia, is actually making the best out of a shit situation. Ace also argues in his filter that the scum team would have pushed an alternative target, but people fail to realize that this person was me. Thread sentiment has been against me the entire game, and even the way Ace develops his suspicion of me on day 1 is worth looking at. And on day 2, there is no shortage of referring to me being a possible lynch candidate in Ace's filter. What adds on to this for me is that his metric for determining the better lynch between Clarity/Shiao is somewhat suspect. Most of it no longer applies, because in knowing that Clarity was scum, and Shiao was scum, we realize that him not voting his scum buddy in the time he was there is not weird whatsoever. The VCA that "scummy people" from the Oats wagon were on the Shiao wagon is also complete bullshit, and I've been over that before. Another thing is the choice of NK, CC. His check was the one on Shiao, and it was this check that Ace wanted to argue against, that CC was suspicious for his claim and not to be trusted. Later, he goes on to about face once he realizes people are believing CC and plays along with this whole thing, but he's still disruptive in the sense that he wanted cops to check each other, which CC was obviously against from a look at his filter. So with VE complying, and Palmar being a wildcard and under some suspicion, he NK's the cop everyone believes that isn't following his circle jerk plan. Shiao flipping a scum largely invalidates the largest part of why people should believe Ace as town, which were his day 2 actions with the lynch. When you eliminate that, which is a large portion of his actual contribution this game, his filter devolves significantly, and you're left with a lot of arguing with people and insulting others, along with bullying people for their read on him. So yeah, Ace could definitely be scum. A mafia player could attempt to do this, however a post like this is also something I would expect out of a town player as well. Is it the best contribution? No, and do I agree with it? No. However I would say this is actually a "trying" post. BC stop it. You know beyond a shadow of a doubt that was one of the dumbest posts in this thread. Come on rofl. I personally find the dumbest posts in the thread are from townies lol. Mafia teams have people to go "don't say that you fucking retard" I don't agree with the post but seriously its hard to see a mafia making it. However the like 4 - 5 pages of his filter before that are all "im mafia posts" -_- OO already mentioned why this was noteworthy, but I'll post it again. Show nested quote + On April 24 2013 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 24 2013 04:29 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2013 04:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2013 04:01 yamato77 wrote: So why didn't we lynch BC? And why did Vivax apparently post an intentionally misleading votecount? And why did people not listen to me and not hammer Oats? And why did Clarity apparently not care that town was lynching someone he didn't want to lynch? And why did no one decide to listen to the only person who gave a fuck about who we were lynching yesterday? uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh You don't lynch BC because he was right about who he pegged. You don't listen to you because you are scum. Clarity is likely not town thus he doesnt give to shits, and I have no clue why no one decided to listen to me. Can I ask what your schedule is? It'd be nice to know when you're actually in the game. I guess people didn't lynch yamato cause, uh, you weren't there to provide better reasons or at least motivation to lynch him over Oats? I am aroundish till 9ish tonight, gone from then till sometime mid thursday afternoon, gone friday morning, gone sat morning and likely all saturday if plans stay as they are, gone sunday morning possibly afternoon/evening. I am busy. Nor should I have to be around to tell people how to make obvious choices. Yamato has done sweet fuck all. He trolled, spewed anti town shite, and only "contributed" when he was close to death. He calls oats scum then blindly comes out of no where and says he doesn't want to off him, says he wants to off ve for voting oats (which was thread sentiment) then attacks me blindly as well. He has done nothing productive. He has done basically nothing useful. The lynch on him vanished for no reason than oats was brought up as a lynch on shitty reasons. Towns need to realize how to step back and think about situations. Yamato and Palmar probably made the worst posts in the game according to BC, yet he just said the people who make the dumbest posts are town. That's pretty... interesting. This game, Palmar is pretty much playing lynchbait for the heck of it, and it's plain as day to see. However, he has a reputation as a vet. The two combined makes it easy for people to push him. Given most of the vets are still alive, it's easy for BC to push into him. A logical choice that, once again, follows town sentiment. Tl;dr 1. BC has tunneled Yamato from his first post, yet never pushed him strongly. 2. BC's reads barely evolve and when they do, they're never/poorly explained. 3. BC treated the people that flipped scum very differently from the people that haven't, being far more willing to push them when town sentiment shifts. 4. BC's case on Yamato was godawful and looked more like trying to contribute than anything else. No conviction. 5. BC has followed town sentiment to the T. 6. BC spends more time answering random questions than actually pushing his candidates. 7. BC doesn't give a shit about who actually gets lynched, as long as he doesn't look suspicious. The cobbler is scum. It is time for the cobbler to get cobbled to death. ##Unvote ##Vote Bloodyc0bbler + Show Spoiler + He was town | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:56 GMT
#1833
So tempting. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:57 GMT
#1837
On June 30 2016 05:56 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 05:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Spite lynching JVJ does feel fun though. So tempting. I feel his ego is already drastically reduced. x; I just hope I get the option of pulling the trigger or not. I want to taste the fear of the Lion. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 20:59 GMT
#1848
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 21:04 GMT
#1851
WHAT HAVE I DONE... | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 21:09 GMT
#1858
A thought came to mind. Tumblewood made a tonne of sense during the game and made lots of observations that I didn't think scum would make. Them I remembered Tumblewood in the game he played with Tina as town made absolutely no sense. Kept forgetting his own reads and forged stuff that he only found later. Clearly he must be scum because he's making too much sense and is playing too well. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 21:09 GMT
#1859
On June 30 2016 06:09 Jean Valjean wrote: I'm also seriously contemplating just saying fuck it and playing like a normal person About time you started behaving like a propah brit. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 21:16 GMT
#1863
On June 30 2016 06:13 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 06:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well, uhh. A thought came to mind. Tumblewood made a tonne of sense during the game and made lots of observations that I didn't think scum would make. Them I remembered Tumblewood in the game he played with Tina as town made absolutely no sense. Kept forgetting his own reads and forged stuff that he only found later. Clearly he must be scum because he's making too much sense and is playing too well. Eh, it's possible but I think that game you are reffering to was one of Tumble's first games? His play has evolved quite a bit over time... though by that same thought it's possible he's playing a fairly solid scum game. 'twas a normal game just for JAT, played only two months ago. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 21:16 GMT
#1864
Kinda. I hope. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 21:18 GMT
#1866
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 29 2016 21:21 GMT
#1868
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 30 2016 12:18 GMT
#1889
On June 30 2016 20:35 Jealous wrote: I can't deny that he played well in D2. However that is pretty WIFOM for me because it could just be a good player under pressure trying to go down the list of "What would a townie do in my case?" or it could be an actual townie under false pressure. The main problem I have is that if Damdred isn't scum, then who is? I don't think TT is, as of now. I think that the cases on Jean and Superbia are similar from what I've read so far, so that is a confusing ordeal because if one of them is scum then either one of them is playing an incredible scum or one of them is playing a bad town. I think we can assume the former to be true. Superbia has shown himself to be a clever player in both games so far; Jean has shown himself as a much more transparent and open player. If I had to decide between the two of them, I'd go with Superbia. However, I'd really need to dig in his filter to find any evidence to support this inclination because from the D1 filter read I did on him and what I recall from N1/D2, I haven't seen anything overly scummy from him. This is now on my to-do list. Artanis was my only other pick besides Chezinu. Why? Perhaps there is more than "meta" behind his townreads on people. If Damdred were to get lynched yesterday and he made that long and almost exceedingly townie-toned post about why Damdred would be town, then he would get a lot of credit and whoever pushed Damdred might be in the spotlight. This is the perfect scenario for scum - divide the town between the people who wagoned Damdred and those that did not, with him being the leader of the "did not" party. Of course, only scum or cop would know for certain that Damdred is not scum. If Artanis was scum, it'd be very wise of him to counter-argue a strong case that I built against Damdred with "meta" and nice formatting to basically say "Damdred can't be scum, he is super town," and in this scenario WHEN and not IF Damdred flipped town, Artanis could use this as leverage as both a case against anyone who voted for him (especially me) and as a defense against anyone who questions him ("But if I was scum, wouldn't it make sense for me to allow town to mislynch Damdred?"). This is all circumstantial and by no means confirmed; I still need to lynch Damdred to see how it plays out, but if he does flip green I want everyone to be aware of this possibility. So, Skynx, who to you is scum then? So what you're saying is you don't believe I can have as strong a townread on Damdred as I say, therefore I must have TMI? I guess that's a roundabout compliment in a way. I know you despise meta, but take a little look into my previously played games, please. I have never ever tried this hard as mafia under suspicion, let ALONE when the rest of my team died early. If I was in a team with MD and EC (and I mean no offense to them) I would've just given up on D1 and let the lynch wash over me. I would not end up having the longest filter in the game. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 30 2016 12:19 GMT
#1890
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 30 2016 12:20 GMT
#1891
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 30 2016 13:05 GMT
#1893
On June 30 2016 21:44 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 21:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 20:35 Jealous wrote: I can't deny that he played well in D2. However that is pretty WIFOM for me because it could just be a good player under pressure trying to go down the list of "What would a townie do in my case?" or it could be an actual townie under false pressure. The main problem I have is that if Damdred isn't scum, then who is? I don't think TT is, as of now. I think that the cases on Jean and Superbia are similar from what I've read so far, so that is a confusing ordeal because if one of them is scum then either one of them is playing an incredible scum or one of them is playing a bad town. I think we can assume the former to be true. Superbia has shown himself to be a clever player in both games so far; Jean has shown himself as a much more transparent and open player. If I had to decide between the two of them, I'd go with Superbia. However, I'd really need to dig in his filter to find any evidence to support this inclination because from the D1 filter read I did on him and what I recall from N1/D2, I haven't seen anything overly scummy from him. This is now on my to-do list. Artanis was my only other pick besides Chezinu. Why? Perhaps there is more than "meta" behind his townreads on people. If Damdred were to get lynched yesterday and he made that long and almost exceedingly townie-toned post about why Damdred would be town, then he would get a lot of credit and whoever pushed Damdred might be in the spotlight. This is the perfect scenario for scum - divide the town between the people who wagoned Damdred and those that did not, with him being the leader of the "did not" party. Of course, only scum or cop would know for certain that Damdred is not scum. If Artanis was scum, it'd be very wise of him to counter-argue a strong case that I built against Damdred with "meta" and nice formatting to basically say "Damdred can't be scum, he is super town," and in this scenario WHEN and not IF Damdred flipped town, Artanis could use this as leverage as both a case against anyone who voted for him (especially me) and as a defense against anyone who questions him ("But if I was scum, wouldn't it make sense for me to allow town to mislynch Damdred?"). This is all circumstantial and by no means confirmed; I still need to lynch Damdred to see how it plays out, but if he does flip green I want everyone to be aware of this possibility. So, Skynx, who to you is scum then? So what you're saying is you don't believe I can have as strong a townread on Damdred as I say, therefore I must have TMI? I guess that's a roundabout compliment in a way. I know you despise meta, but take a little look into my previously played games, please. I have never ever tried this hard as mafia under suspicion, let ALONE when the rest of my team died early. If I was in a team with MD and EC (and I mean no offense to them) I would've just given up on D1 and let the lynch wash over me. I would not end up having the longest filter in the game. No, I'm saying that your townread on Damdred might truly be valid in your eyes, or you might just be trying to take a stance on him that automatically excludes the people who don't have your experience with him. Essentially you are appealing to a certain subset of the town population and excluding the other, forcing a divide between the two. Whether this is intentional or not, I don't feel comfortable taking your word as gospel on the matter without substantiated evidence within this game. Essentially, you are asking newbies to trust you, whom they do not know well as a player, about your analysis about Damdred's meta, whom they also do not know well. Try to see it from at least my perspective, as I cannot speak for others. If you came into a game that hinges on deception, would you feel comfortable trusting the guy saying "I've been here before, I know you're new but trust me on this one?" This isn't Diablo 2 where you can trust Deckard Cain and Akara to not stab you in the back, this is more like Skyrim where the NPC at the bar will poison your drink and leave you in some temple halfway across the world under the pretense of a drinking contest. I'm not willing to devote hours into reading previous games just to catch up on meta reads, that's just not a reasonable request in my opinion. Also, doing what you say in order to trust you more is the same as a prisoner determining his own punishment; you're naturally going to propose the avenue that is most beneficial to you but not necessarily the one that is most objective. In other words, make a case for why Damdred can't be scum along the lines of what I did, within the confines of this game as opposed to an argument that has prior knowledge as a prerequisite. Also, I know you said you don't want to discuss reads (can you explain why, by the way? I don't think I understand your explanation because newbie), so maybe this is more up your alley in terms of meta: You and others have used the argument that "Damdred/X/Y would have already given up if they were scum in this scenario." What players do you think would not give up in this scenario? Would you give up? I understand what you're saying, but I do believe there's a certain level of trust that is required at some point. It is guaranteed that one between Damdred and I is town, so either my analysis is 100% sincere, or it is 100% correct from your perspective. The frustrating part to me is, I suppose, that his alignment is so blatantly obvious to me that it's difficult to spend a lot of time on disproving the reasons people bring up. It's kind of like a bunch of people claiming the moon is yellow because it emanates a yellow glow. I still know the moon is white, and I know the yellow glow emanating doesn't make it yellow, but to anyone who hasn't seen the moon before that very day, they may believe it to be true. As for my personal analysis, I presume Damdred can confirm that, and probably others in the game as well. GlowingBear and Superbia SHOULD be able to, presuming they've paid enough attention. As for not giving reads until the night deadline; I don't think it's clear who's getting shot. Posting my reads may result in an alteration of the night kills. Say no one suspects you and you're town and I come up with a big case on you; scum may have wanted to NK you, but they then decide to NK someone else as you turn into a viable mislynch. That's why I'd rather not go into reads right now. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 30 2016 13:42 GMT
#1895
On June 30 2016 22:19 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 22:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 21:44 Jealous wrote: On June 30 2016 21:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 20:35 Jealous wrote: I can't deny that he played well in D2. However that is pretty WIFOM for me because it could just be a good player under pressure trying to go down the list of "What would a townie do in my case?" or it could be an actual townie under false pressure. The main problem I have is that if Damdred isn't scum, then who is? I don't think TT is, as of now. I think that the cases on Jean and Superbia are similar from what I've read so far, so that is a confusing ordeal because if one of them is scum then either one of them is playing an incredible scum or one of them is playing a bad town. I think we can assume the former to be true. Superbia has shown himself to be a clever player in both games so far; Jean has shown himself as a much more transparent and open player. If I had to decide between the two of them, I'd go with Superbia. However, I'd really need to dig in his filter to find any evidence to support this inclination because from the D1 filter read I did on him and what I recall from N1/D2, I haven't seen anything overly scummy from him. This is now on my to-do list. Artanis was my only other pick besides Chezinu. Why? Perhaps there is more than "meta" behind his townreads on people. If Damdred were to get lynched yesterday and he made that long and almost exceedingly townie-toned post about why Damdred would be town, then he would get a lot of credit and whoever pushed Damdred might be in the spotlight. This is the perfect scenario for scum - divide the town between the people who wagoned Damdred and those that did not, with him being the leader of the "did not" party. Of course, only scum or cop would know for certain that Damdred is not scum. If Artanis was scum, it'd be very wise of him to counter-argue a strong case that I built against Damdred with "meta" and nice formatting to basically say "Damdred can't be scum, he is super town," and in this scenario WHEN and not IF Damdred flipped town, Artanis could use this as leverage as both a case against anyone who voted for him (especially me) and as a defense against anyone who questions him ("But if I was scum, wouldn't it make sense for me to allow town to mislynch Damdred?"). This is all circumstantial and by no means confirmed; I still need to lynch Damdred to see how it plays out, but if he does flip green I want everyone to be aware of this possibility. So, Skynx, who to you is scum then? So what you're saying is you don't believe I can have as strong a townread on Damdred as I say, therefore I must have TMI? I guess that's a roundabout compliment in a way. I know you despise meta, but take a little look into my previously played games, please. I have never ever tried this hard as mafia under suspicion, let ALONE when the rest of my team died early. If I was in a team with MD and EC (and I mean no offense to them) I would've just given up on D1 and let the lynch wash over me. I would not end up having the longest filter in the game. No, I'm saying that your townread on Damdred might truly be valid in your eyes, or you might just be trying to take a stance on him that automatically excludes the people who don't have your experience with him. Essentially you are appealing to a certain subset of the town population and excluding the other, forcing a divide between the two. Whether this is intentional or not, I don't feel comfortable taking your word as gospel on the matter without substantiated evidence within this game. Essentially, you are asking newbies to trust you, whom they do not know well as a player, about your analysis about Damdred's meta, whom they also do not know well. Try to see it from at least my perspective, as I cannot speak for others. If you came into a game that hinges on deception, would you feel comfortable trusting the guy saying "I've been here before, I know you're new but trust me on this one?" This isn't Diablo 2 where you can trust Deckard Cain and Akara to not stab you in the back, this is more like Skyrim where the NPC at the bar will poison your drink and leave you in some temple halfway across the world under the pretense of a drinking contest. I'm not willing to devote hours into reading previous games just to catch up on meta reads, that's just not a reasonable request in my opinion. Also, doing what you say in order to trust you more is the same as a prisoner determining his own punishment; you're naturally going to propose the avenue that is most beneficial to you but not necessarily the one that is most objective. In other words, make a case for why Damdred can't be scum along the lines of what I did, within the confines of this game as opposed to an argument that has prior knowledge as a prerequisite. Also, I know you said you don't want to discuss reads (can you explain why, by the way? I don't think I understand your explanation because newbie), so maybe this is more up your alley in terms of meta: You and others have used the argument that "Damdred/X/Y would have already given up if they were scum in this scenario." What players do you think would not give up in this scenario? Would you give up? I understand what you're saying, but I do believe there's a certain level of trust that is required at some point. It is guaranteed that one between Damdred and I is town, so either my analysis is 100% sincere, or it is 100% correct from your perspective. The frustrating part to me is, I suppose, that his alignment is so blatantly obvious to me that it's difficult to spend a lot of time on disproving the reasons people bring up. It's kind of like a bunch of people claiming the moon is yellow because it emanates a yellow glow. I still know the moon is white, and I know the yellow glow emanating doesn't make it yellow, but to anyone who hasn't seen the moon before that very day, they may believe it to be true. As for my personal analysis, I presume Damdred can confirm that, and probably others in the game as well. GlowingBear and Superbia SHOULD be able to, presuming they've paid enough attention. As for not giving reads until the night deadline; I don't think it's clear who's getting shot. Posting my reads may result in an alteration of the night kills. Say no one suspects you and you're town and I come up with a big case on you; scum may have wanted to NK you, but they then decide to NK someone else as you turn into a viable mislynch. That's why I'd rather not go into reads right now. At first I thought this was a great metaphor and got me to understand your side of it completely. However, even though the moon is white the majority of the time, it is still yellow when it appears yellow, it is still red when it is red, it is still black when it is black. In reality, the moon has no color. Color is a subjective, human perspective. The moon merely reflects the light, angle of light, or lack of light shone onto it, and we attribute color to it based on the ways our eyes perceive a small portion of the light spectrum. Even a moon that in your experience of 27 days appears as one color, at least one day out of the lunar month it will be a different color. Replace day with game. In other words, I find your absolute lack of faith in Damdred's ability to change his play given the circumstances to be pretty complacent and potentially just as myopic as my unwillingness to see the things I've dug up as anything but scummy. I see, that makes sense. I was going to pose a question to the town as a whole asking something along the lines of, "if the person you suspect as scum were to lynch anyone, who do you think it would be?" and I came to the same realization: anything said in response would simply be a confounding factor when the NK does come, so I didn't post that ^^ That the metaphor was inaccurate isn't as important as the point it intended to bring across. I believe Damdred's scum game is capable of a decent amount of things, but motivation in a position where it is neigh impossible to win with all the emotions that genuinely make sense (which is something he's really poor at as scum) are just not aspects that you can improve this greatly upon from one game to the next. I respect him as a player and I think he's great at mafia when unpressured or against people that don't know this aspect of his play, but I sincerely believe him to be extremely, extremely likely to be town. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 30 2016 13:52 GMT
#1896
My ego's at least half the size of JVJ so I wouldn't be so quick to be this confident. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 30 2016 14:32 GMT
#1898
On June 30 2016 23:04 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2016 21:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 30 2016 20:35 Jealous wrote: I can't deny that he played well in D2. However that is pretty WIFOM for me because it could just be a good player under pressure trying to go down the list of "What would a townie do in my case?" or it could be an actual townie under false pressure. The main problem I have is that if Damdred isn't scum, then who is? I don't think TT is, as of now. I think that the cases on Jean and Superbia are similar from what I've read so far, so that is a confusing ordeal because if one of them is scum then either one of them is playing an incredible scum or one of them is playing a bad town. I think we can assume the former to be true. Superbia has shown himself to be a clever player in both games so far; Jean has shown himself as a much more transparent and open player. If I had to decide between the two of them, I'd go with Superbia. However, I'd really need to dig in his filter to find any evidence to support this inclination because from the D1 filter read I did on him and what I recall from N1/D2, I haven't seen anything overly scummy from him. This is now on my to-do list. Artanis was my only other pick besides Chezinu. Why? Perhaps there is more than "meta" behind his townreads on people. If Damdred were to get lynched yesterday and he made that long and almost exceedingly townie-toned post about why Damdred would be town, then he would get a lot of credit and whoever pushed Damdred might be in the spotlight. This is the perfect scenario for scum - divide the town between the people who wagoned Damdred and those that did not, with him being the leader of the "did not" party. Of course, only scum or cop would know for certain that Damdred is not scum. If Artanis was scum, it'd be very wise of him to counter-argue a strong case that I built against Damdred with "meta" and nice formatting to basically say "Damdred can't be scum, he is super town," and in this scenario WHEN and not IF Damdred flipped town, Artanis could use this as leverage as both a case against anyone who voted for him (especially me) and as a defense against anyone who questions him ("But if I was scum, wouldn't it make sense for me to allow town to mislynch Damdred?"). This is all circumstantial and by no means confirmed; I still need to lynch Damdred to see how it plays out, but if he does flip green I want everyone to be aware of this possibility. So, Skynx, who to you is scum then? So what you're saying is you don't believe I can have as strong a townread on Damdred as I say, therefore I must have TMI? I guess that's a roundabout compliment in a way. I know you despise meta, but take a little look into my previously played games, please. I have never ever tried this hard as mafia under suspicion, let ALONE when the rest of my team died early. If I was in a team with MD and EC (and I mean no offense to them) I would've just given up on D1 and let the lynch wash over me. I would not end up having the longest filter in the game. I have probably written more words than you. I just consolidate my posts. There's probably a way to figure that out. 20.5k vs 27.2k words in my favour. Includes quotes though but it's the best I can do, and yes I did replace out the names and stuff. I may have too much free time. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 30 2016 19:41 GMT
#1916
On July 01 2016 04:30 Skynx wrote: Who's around? I'm gona post big stuff soon. I'm kinda around but watching Poland - Portugal. Would advise waiting until right before deadline. Also, smurf-related question: How easy is it to pause a game of overwatch to post on TL? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 30 2016 20:03 GMT
#1918
On July 01 2016 04:54 Damdred wrote: It's an MMO so probably would die no? Isn't it like a shooter kinda game? If it's like CoD there might be modes where people stay dead for a while. At this point I'm just trying to justify my smurfread at all costs though. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 30 2016 20:40 GMT
#1929
Also also Poland please. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 30 2016 20:45 GMT
#1932
On July 01 2016 05:43 Jean Valjean wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2016 05:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm pretty sure JVJ is HF btw. Ego, quality of play and playfulness in general fit, plus going into a game as a smurf with an idea like he had at the start here feels a lot like him. Also also Poland please. Please, I know we've had our differences but no need to be rude. I didn't mean it in a rude fashion (though I have before so I don't blame you for thinking so). Almost everyone on TL has an ego and I do believe that you acted to get a response. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 30 2016 20:45 GMT
#1933
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 30 2016 20:58 GMT
#1938
If JVJ is in fact HF there's a good chance he's scum. He has a history of bussing and would be one of the few to not give up in this spot. It's mostly a fear/PoE lynch though since he has been quite townie. I may have slept on TW too much. The fact that he's been kinda afk is a strong sign for that and at this time we kinda need to look at the simplest explanation. His activity has shrunk since he's never really been suspected and although he's given some good insights I felt were unlikely to come from mafia. Main thing I remember is On June 29 2016 06:33 Tumblewood wrote: but there were some others.gonna take a break but before that a quote from art that makes him supah town in my mind Show nested quote + I'm going to try to explain why. I want everyone to read this post and let it actually sink in. Think about it for half an hour or something to avoid kneejerk/tunnel replies. just a real nice indication that art cares about putting town on the right track. this is an attention-to-detail thing as scum; I don't think scum!art is thinking to include this sentence, I just don't. GB confirmed town. Damdred Skynx Jealous feel like lock town too. Superbia's basically there, leaving TT as well. I think my current order would be TW, then some order of JVJ and TT, probably JVJ first just cause mayor but I really need to read through their filters much more clearly first. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 30 2016 20:59 GMT
#1940
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
June 30 2016 21:01 GMT
#1943
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12913 Posts
July 02 2016 09:33 GMT
#2164
TT you should've claimed earlier had a bet with Rels that I lost because you didn't claim in the first 10 hours of the day :/ | ||
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