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On July 19 2016 01:07 Damdred wrote: When we are full and it depends on what people want as I'm flexible. We could do a euro friendly time start Ie: 4 am eastern start and ends at 4 pm eastern. A more moderate start: 8 am to 8 pm Or a more American start 12 pm to 12 am With the European start I'd have to have a euro cohost probably. You can use [time]4:00 CEST[/time]so that every user can see what you mean in their own time! 09:00 GMT (+00:00) to 21:00 GMT (+00:00) 13:00 GMT (+00:00) to 01:00 GMT (+00:00) 05:00 GMT (+00:00) to 17:00 GMT (+00:00) My preferred is the first one, I can play the third one too. The second one is unplayable for me. | ||
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On July 19 2016 03:07 Skynx wrote: What kind of role is strongarm? Also if there is no informative role for town in 3rd setup isnt having a gf pointless for scum? Usually, strongarm counters blue. A strongarm shot goes through roleblock / protection. Now I don't know if this version of strongarm is a separate shot from the usual KP (meaning the mafia would have 2 shots), or if it's just a modifier to the factional KP. | ||
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On July 19 2016 23:01 Tumblewood wrote: huh I thought koshi was banned? guess I've been living under a rock if we can all be kind to each other this game that would be nice As long as nobody scumreads me that should be possible | ||
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On July 20 2016 05:03 Tumblewood wrote: probably narrowed down to anytime after 3 pm pst please give me a gun this game please give me a gun this game please give me a gun this game | ||
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On July 20 2016 16:37 Lunaticman wrote: I am at work so it will be harder for me to do any deep analysis since I am working for 24hour straight. But I will participate to the best of my ability since it is rather quiet at work today. I am looking forward to this a lot! If someone could link give me some general tips I would appriciate it. Since this is my first time playing on TL. I have only played IRL before. How does the communication work, can you only talk in this thread unless you are mafia ofc? Please carefully read this post to know the standard rules in TL mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/272547-tl-mafia-model-op Be aware that some things written in the first few posts of this thread could be in contradiction with the standard rules; in that situation, things written in this thread are the enforcing rules. Finally, it could happen that the hosts rule in a way that is contradictory with the standard ruleset and not stated in the first posts of this thread because they forgot writing about it. Don't ruin the game if that happens. Do talk about it though. | ||
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On July 20 2016 19:38 Lunaticman wrote: This post is beyond me, are you saying someone is cheating? No. How much IRL mafia did you play ? | ||
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I see you're trying to get me banned! | ||
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We won't ever use the majority vote to end the day early. Barring things like a red check or a fakeclaim ofc. Longer day is almost always a good thing. More time to solve the game, more time to hear what lynch candidates have to say, no risk of snap lynching a scummy townie that is just AFK. If you're against that speak now then STFU forever. | ||
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On July 20 2016 19:44 Lunaticman wrote: About 20 games, with around 8-16 players per game. We usually only played with the standard roles with some flavour such as Medic and Sheriff. But basically vanila mafia. Each game might have lasted around 8 hours per playthrough. I would consider myself an very vocal player but also guilable. Many games have been one or lost because of people spending to much time analyzing my actions. As I always say to myself the silent mafia is the worst mafia... but I digress since this seems very different. How did you play as scum ? | ||
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Yeah, mafia or masons. | ||
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On July 20 2016 19:53 Lunaticman wrote: I don't think it would be more than subtile differences tbh between me as a townie or mafia, the biggest thing I would say is that as mafia I would probably spend more time analzying the voting tenendcies before speaking. I would also probably try to spend time "mudding the water" raising suspicion on several players at once. I don't think I want to reveal more than that otherwise I would spoil the fun. Usually when I am mafia I make a critical misstake sometimes later in the week but they can be missed... I also have a tenendcy to change play between playthroughs just to not get to predictable. And you if I may ask? How do you play? Why would revealing more about yourself would "spoil the fun" ? I am an active player as either alignment. As town I have the most success finding scum by finding inconsistency in what they say. As scum I try to replicate that to destroy lynchbait. | ||
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On July 20 2016 20:17 Lunaticman wrote: I was expecting emperorchampion to be very active in the beginning since I spectated the last game played (the one with hilary and trump). Maybe he changed his playstyle or maybe he simply asleep. What do you think Rels? I also have certain expectations for EC p: I fucking hope he rolled scum again that would be hilarious But him not posting for the first 1h30 of the game doesn't mean anything. Especially since it's like early morning in Canada. | ||
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On July 20 2016 20:29 Lunaticman wrote: Rels since no one else seems to be active right now maybe you could help me explain a bit about the roles. "Mason and Parity Cop vs Godfather goon and roleblocker cop and jailkeeper vs Godfather, strongarm and role blocker Jailkeeper and vigilante vs Godfather, Goon, Strongarm" I do not recognize the jailkeeper, strong arm and godfather. Jailkeeper protects a person each night, like a doctor. The difference is that he also roleblocks his target. If his target is a cop for example, the cop will be protected but won't be able to check someone that night. If the jailkeeper target is a mafia killing someone, his target won't be able to carry the kill (IE no mafia kill will happen). Strongarm: during the night, the mafia can kill one person. If their target is protected, the kill won't happen. BUT the strongarm can make it so that the kill will bypass protection. Godfather: a cop can check a person each night to learn his alignment: town or mafia. A godfather will return "town" to a cop acheck. | ||
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On July 21 2016 18:19 prplhz wrote: Rels? ##Vote Rels (= I have meeting after meeting today. Now I have a 45 minutes lunch break then it's meeting again. Starting to catch up now | ||
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On July 20 2016 22:03 Koshi wrote: I think Lunaticman has done everything a mafia does early game. Ask a simple question about the setup: + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2016 20:29 Lunaticman wrote: Rels since no one else seems to be active right now maybe you could help me explain a bit about the roles. "Mason and Parity Cop vs Godfather goon and roleblocker cop and jailkeeper vs Godfather, strongarm and role blocker Jailkeeper and vigilante vs Godfather, Goon, Strongarm" I do not recognize the jailkeeper, strong arm and godfather. Call somebody blue / bluehunted + is self-aware + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2016 21:41 Lunaticman wrote: Well I think rels is blue based on his posts so far. One mafia usually goes active in the beginning but I dont really have any scum vibes yet. There is probably a 50/50 red or green on both of you so far. And what do you think about me so far? Do "serious" scumhunting on a matter that was put forward as a joke. Bit too hard-try + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2016 20:17 Lunaticman wrote: I was expecting emperorchampion to be very active in the beginning since I spectated the last game played (the one with hilary and trump). Maybe he changed his playstyle or maybe he simply asleep. What do you think Rels? And lastly it maybe seems like he is trusting people too much and tries to buddy them. That all said I don't scumread you. It's just something I saw . Game is young. You find scumtells on Lunatic but you don't scumread him ... ? I don't get it. What are you trying to say. | ||
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On July 21 2016 01:51 Tumblewood wrote: I actually read skynx's filter and yeah koshi is right about him. too much meh, not enough content. On July 21 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote: happy with voting Skynx or ec at the moment, slight preference to ec At the point of the thread I'm at Tumble is kinda attacked by EC, but is relaxed and don't just focus on EC. This is townie | ||
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On July 21 2016 02:07 DCWasabi wrote: OK, but if there is one thing that I learned from my first 2 games, it is that it is pretty nontrivial to "work towards solving the game" on Day 1. I think the first thing that is useful that one can do is get some activity out there day 1, and get your tone established so that you can be more easily read as town by the town moving forwards. I think this is one of the things that I actually did properly as town in the Onegu Best Host Game. Town should be trying to solve the game, but some of the players haven't even posted yet, for example it is 10am local time for me and I just woke-up 30 mins ago and am trying to get caught up. I don't scumlean either of those guys yet, tbh. At the same time, I kind of like this post by Tumble because it is the kind of thing that can help to start more meaningful discussion going and discourage people from posting random banter, otherwise they might get scum-read by this reasoning. I am going to slightly town-lean Tumble because his post leads to a slightly more favorable environment for town. I don't like this post. DC I need you to explain yourself on two things. 1- You say "Town should be trying to solve the game". Now you say it's hard to solve the game at the time of this post because "some of the players haven't even posted yet". BUT the players Tumble are talking about have posted quite a lot already. So this doesn't apply ? What is the motivation that pushed you making this post ? Why do you disagree with Tumble here ? 2 - Why do you don't scumlean either of those guys "yet" ? Cause it seems like yuo plan on scumleaning them later, which doesn't make sense, if they are scummy you should scumlean them now ? | ||
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On July 21 2016 03:09 Tumblewood wrote: ec do you want a case? I'll give you a case. why ec is scum summary: 1. posting to blend in and not to push town forward 2. no clear direction in his posting (these are different points I promise) 1. take this post. there's no conceivable purpose behind this because clearly nothing piques his interest (or else it would have focused on one point) but he asks a series of unrelated questions, the answers to which would not be helpful. I see no reason to make this post besides "it's a contribution". literally a paragraph about inactive players out of nowhere this is what I'm talking about. also: 2. I don't want to quote ec's WoT in post 299, but in 299 ec makes a big ol' case on me and then three minutes later makes a post about coffee. it shows me that he isn't concerning himself with actually pushing his reads in thread but just making a case and carrying on. you get what I mean? I get what I mean. [br] in a sentence, ec is speaking without asking to be listened to, which is imo a huge scumtell. I see your points but I think it actually shows EC is town more than scum. EC is different from his last game, he is posting way more freely which doesn't add up with a 4th scum game in a row. | ||
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On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote: and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread Please explain how he's acting "the exact same way" | ||
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On July 21 2016 03:41 Palmar wrote: no actually just fuck it, if people are going to revert to the stupid spamming style of playing I'm not even gonna bother trying. http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/dnZQAJvqMFi4 gg On July 21 2016 03:44 Skynx wrote: No fking way is that legit? Instant townread. Knowing Skynx doesn't have access to quicktopic, it's very likely this comment is not a joke. So it's either a town being mad or a scum faking it. The simpler explanation is often the right one. | ||
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On July 21 2016 04:15 Palmar wrote: ok. 100% town - aka never lynching. Prplhz Skynx Likely town: Tumblewood emperorchampion Rels Null, no reason to lynch but no real reason to townread Palmar DCWasabi Koshi Gracaroni null, possibly scum because I haven't really noticed them nnn_thekushmountains Lunaticman Scummy/possibly mafia sicklucker Kruppe the eel Why are SL / Kruppe scummy when they have done nothing at all ? | ||
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On July 21 2016 04:30 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Such mystery! Friend Kruppe has two sets of —most beautifully written by Kruppe himself— invitations. Red envelopes! Warm invitations to the most (in?)famous and lustrous (in some way) inn in Darujhistan; the Phoenix Inn! Blue envelopes! Calming invitations to the mysterious inn in.. Darujhistan(?); the Crossroad Inn! Where will Kruppe truly be? What table will be filled with the most delicious pastries, the toughest of drinks and hosted by the most magnanimous host of all, Kruppe? Kruppe cordially extends a red envelope to both Rels and Koshi. A pair of two indeed! Kruppe extends a warm welcome to the Phoenix Inn! (And of course, dear Koshi, a book with friend Kruppe in it is worth reading a thousand times over!) Kruppe also extends two mysterious blue envelopes! One to Skynx and one to EmperorChampion. An enigma indeed! Kruppe would welcome the both of you to the Crossroad Inn! Kruppe posting 15 minutes after being called out by Palmar is suspicious. | ||
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Town Lunatic Skynx EC Tumble Palmar Scum Koshi Kruppe DC People missing are null. | ||
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First, catching up | ||
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What's wrong with it ? I think you're town now | ||
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On July 22 2016 03:53 Palmar wrote: yes, I don't remember a single post by him so he should be added to the list of 5. Like can we all sort of agree on that list? Skynx Kush Krupp Tumble Rels We're lynching in here, right? I hope I find your reasons for scumreading me at some point while I read the thread | ||
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On July 21 2016 23:08 Koshi wrote: I have actually a good reason why Palmar is town: The (better) townreads in this list were really fast and on point. prplhz, EC and Skynx. Would be bad play if Palmar is mafia. Well... Not bad play, but it would hurt mafia agenda. Why do you think prp is town ? | ||
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On July 21 2016 23:20 Koshi wrote: Rels: His 3 scumtargets in his scumlist rub me the wrong way. Not enough focus on them before he made the list. Just 1 comment to justify the position. But nowhere there was any really pushing or convincing the thread. Bad bad bad. Of course it's like that, I stopped mid-catching up 'cause my lunch break was over. I'm set on nobody so it's normal I'm not focusing on nobody. | ||
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On July 22 2016 03:58 Lunaticman wrote: I think Rels feels wrong for lynching day 1, I think he actually contributed to the town. There are better choices. Hell I'd rather hang Kruppe because he makes no sense to me even though he puts efforts into the posts. My contribution this game has been super small. Are you comparing me to only Kruppe or do you have other person in mind ? | ||
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On July 21 2016 23:32 emperorchampion wrote: I did notice that Rels neglected DC's follow up post in his analysis: So the post in question was followed by: So especially point 2 from rels is really put into question. Yeah I read that second post 2 minutes ago right now. I stopped before reading it a few hours ago. I read his answer to me too. I want to read his filter aftrer I'm done catching up because it seems like he talks a lot to say nothing. | ||
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On July 22 2016 00:36 prplhz wrote: Just start stacking votes on Rels and see where it leads. Pros: He's scum Cons: Maybe he's town but then we'll figure out something else But seriously, we need this to go somewhere other than 6 different directions and Rels could absolutely be scum. So start stacking votes on him. I don't remember anything you've done this game apart from voting me because "why not". Step it up if you're town | ||
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On July 22 2016 01:47 emperorchampion wrote: Re-read on Rels: This is a good point, but just free townie points I suppose. Haven't really seen either this game I think. This kinda thing could fall under the posting to seem like contributing, but not really contributing anything banner. I like this post. His town list seems a little at odds, notably the Palmar inclusion. Seems like he's raising some questions about Palmar's town list, but then has him as town. Seems a little odd. Also I've pointed out the thing about his comments on DC, and how he ignored the second post. I think the town thing and palmar + the thing about missing DC's post are the things that I find most off. Now that the DC's thing is explained, do you still think I'm scum ? | ||
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On July 22 2016 04:09 Lunaticman wrote: I think that entire sequence was very weird. I think either palmar or Haze must be scum based on it. I just wish I was vigilante so I could do it myself. Bro (/girl) it was a joke | ||
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On July 22 2016 04:13 Lunaticman wrote: 50% of Palmars posts qualify as "joke" or "troll" to me it just look like a scum with nowhere to hide. It is non alignment indicative (NAI) for him. | ||
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On July 21 2016 23:21 DCWasabi wrote: 1. The point of my post is that those 2 should not be scum-read for low content posts that early in the game. Like literally it was the first 6 hours they were being scrutinized for. That is still the banter phase and people are establishing their tone. My motivation? Obviously I don't want anybody miss lynched for a stupid reason. I think that should be obvious for town to see... 2. I don't scumlean them "yet" because they haven't done anything to warrant it yet. I was implying that this does not mean that I'm giving them a free pass forever or that I think they're necessarily town (at the time). Will post more on my lunch break, and getting ready for work now but I wanted to respond to this because it was directed at me. 2. OK. Still think it's a weird way to put it. But I can't prove it. Where exactly do you live ? IE in what timezone ? 1. Tumble point was not that these two had no content. It was that they were trying to look like they wrote something meaningful to appear useful. | ||
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On July 22 2016 04:17 Tumblewood wrote: rels I saw a post (or maybe it was two, I can't remember) so you'd better spew town to keep from getting lynched First, this sentence is not missing something. Second, why do (or did ?) you think that EC played this game and last game similarly ? | ||
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On July 22 2016 04:25 Tumblewood wrote: do you remember that post from early early d1 last game (two actually) where vorono scumread and voted ec based on two posts he made? I was chilling I'm the obs qt and pissed that people were scumreading vorono and not lynching ec. yesterday I was feeling like a genius because I thought I had caught ec for the same thing but now I'm almost sure he can't be scum. Alright. The post from last game: So you're saying EC have a similar post this game ? Which is it ? | ||
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On July 22 2016 04:27 Tumblewood wrote: okay I read DC's filter and content-wise it sucks but that's much less important than mindset for newbies and I think his mindset is town. rels sorry but you're getting lynched today. I don't see anyone who is a better option than you. I'm reading it and I have the opposite conclusion. Why are you scumreading me ? | ||
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On July 22 2016 04:28 Palmar wrote: Actually I'm like the nicest guy. Really Like soft and fluffy and fun. 9999999 | ||
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On July 21 2016 02:07 DCWasabi wrote: OK, but if there is one thing that I learned from my first 2 games, it is that it is pretty nontrivial to "work towards solving the game" on Day 1. I think the first thing that is useful that one can do is get some activity out there day 1, and get your tone established so that you can be more easily read as town by the town moving forwards. I think this is one of the things that I actually did properly as town in the Onegu Best Host Game. Town should be trying to solve the game, but some of the players haven't even posted yet, for example it is 10am local time for me and I just woke-up 30 mins ago and am trying to get caught up. I don't scumlean either of those guys yet, tbh. At the same time, I kind of like this post by Tumble because it is the kind of thing that can help to start more meaningful discussion going and discourage people from posting random banter, otherwise they might get scum-read by this reasoning. I am going to slightly town-lean Tumble because his post leads to a slightly more favorable environment for town. This one doesn't even address the problematic, since Tumble was not attacking Luna and EC for making joke post, but for making "fake contributory" posts. On July 21 2016 02:15 DCWasabi wrote: This makes sense. Damdred totally fooled me last 2 games as active Mafia. Also, the rules of the game should have people posting when they are awake and able, so it is quite premature to worry about activity, we should be looking at the tone, content, purpose, etc... of what people are posting when they start posting. Noting the people that haven't posted yet is good, not bad, since it will encourages them to post. But, it doesn't mean that they are scum. Useless. On July 21 2016 03:45 DCWasabi wrote: How are you reading Kruppe the eel and Palmar as scummy when they haven't posted anything yet. They should be null. What makes you think that they are scummy? On July 21 2016 03:51 DCWasabi wrote: That doesn't mean they are Mafia, it just means they are inactive. We could Policy Lynch for inactivity, or we can Lynch somebody we actually are reading as mafia. If they don't get active before the deadline, then host action will take place based on OP. If they wait till the deadline, then post low-content / meaningless things, then we can lynch them on D2 if we think they are Mafia lurking in the shadows. We do want them to be more active, but we don't want to derail the thread throwing darts at empty space. Useless question to luna + a big post based on luna's answer, yet no conclusion on luna. I don't know what was the point of his question. Pointless questions are a good way to "participate" for scum. On July 21 2016 04:56 DCWasabi wrote: Is this 1920's Chicago, or something? No way there are that many Mafia. On a more serious note, I'm going to go Full-Sherlock here and determine that you are Null or Town reading: 3) Skynx 4) Lunaticman 5) emperorchampion 10) Tumblewood yourself Can you post some reasons? On July 21 2016 04:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: yes I can but I won't because that would take effort and not be that fun. No reaction on kush answer. He is a good lynch I'll read some other filters to see if I prefer someone else. But he is a good lynch. | ||
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On July 22 2016 04:39 Grackaroni wrote: Seems like a buddying attempt. On a separate note I don't really understood why everyone is townreading prplhz. ++ | ||
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On July 22 2016 04:47 prplhz wrote: when is deadline In 2h10 | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 21 2016 12:13 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Actually I rethought this and I'm not confident about those two even. So I'm just going to vote for SL. CASE AGAINST SL SL has never been mislynched. So lynching him is a win-win situation for us. Either he's scum, or he's town and we shit all over his streak. ##vote SL I also think like this often as town to try and solve the game. | ||
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On July 22 2016 04:47 Koshi wrote: Try to read his first page. See how he formulates his posts around Vivax and Snickers. Free information pushed in the game. This game there is only secrecy and roleplay. If we want any information we have to drag it out of him. Also the information post he made felt like something he had to make to get people to back off. While in the other game he made posts because he wanted to solve the game. It is very obvious. Explain to me then because for me it is kinda the same thing. Like his last big post: On July 22 2016 01:56 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Aaai! Do not lynch me friends, Kruppe is most innocent! Kruppe solemnly swears! Kruppe will be most preoccupied due the heat. It is current much too warm to plan a party of friends! Some ponderings from friendly Kruppe: Koshi's heart is in the right place. Alas, his mind is not. Rels' envelope may have been delivered a bit too early. Kruppe observes that Rels' traitorous traits are denoted by a serious tone! Something Rels' lacked when Kruppe had the envelope delivered —worry not friends, Kruppe has many ways to switch its contents!—. Kruppe now ponders on Rels yet is not convinced of either his maliciousness or his innocence yet! Both Skynx and EmperorChampion should know better! They have observed Kruppe's craftsmanship before! Yet they are firmly opposing Kruppe's party. Ludicrousness! Kruppe yet ponders more on EmperorChampion. A glimpse of (genuine?) intelligence was observed —by none other than Kruppe himself!— when talking about poor, innocent Kruppe. Yet when confronted by Koshi's plain views, he simply fell back into the herd. For shame! Traitorous Skynx should know better for certain! Kruppe expects Skynx to have deeper opinions other than defaulting on the mystery behind poorest Kruppe. Something he has even struggled with before! Most recently! Maliciousness indeed. Kush's opinion is sharp, yet Kruppe argues that his opinion may be driven by a (nefarious?) agenda! Envelopes pending! Palmar is bedridden. Yet a lazy man is easily underestimated. Kruppe gives a small nod towards Palmar. May he receive his envelope shortly. He scumread me before but now it's more like null. Skynx and EC are suspicious for So he's clearly stating his rea | ||
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On July 22 2016 04:52 Grackaroni wrote: Has Rels played a lot of mafia? Click on my profile. | ||
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On July 22 2016 04:54 Lunaticman wrote: I'd be fine lynching Kruppe, Palmar. The others are honestly null reads to me so far. I could also condone something like: DCWasabi, Prplhz, sicklucker, nnn,thekushmountains. To me Rels reads like town to much, if he is mafia he sure is fooling me. Palmar might be town. Kruppe I'm not sure but I'm not seeing the scuminess. kush could be anything but I dont' really want to lynch him today because he usually stays AFK for long periods of time as scum, he's kinda easy to read the later the game goes. SL I forgot he was in the game, but him not doing anything D1 is possible for any alignment, so a lynch on him would be a pure policy. I want to read his filter before ruling him out but since I don't remember anything he's said I don't think I'll find anything interesting. It's probably gonna be between DC and PRP. And no worries about me I'm town. | ||
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On July 21 2016 01:18 prplhz wrote: Koshi so far reminds me of this we've only witnessed the first part so far though hahaha p: I missed this | ||
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His first half of his filter is useless. His second half is just attacking lunatic but not scumreading him. In between he votes me and stays on me to see what happens. Not impossible he's a bad town. Still an alright lynch. | ||
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On July 22 2016 05:13 emperorchampion wrote: I think reading over the last bit that DCW is definietly an OK lynch, but I'll feel pretty bad if he's town and just busy. Reading through his filter, as a few people have pointed out, most of his posts feel like free town point posts and not too much else. He clearly said he was going to be here for "lunch break". I don't know where he lives but there is a good chance his break is over already. | ||
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On July 22 2016 05:15 Koshi wrote: [/b]page 8 townread: next post. page 9 townread: next post. page 13 update on read: next post. page 22 scumread: next post, page 23, scumread: next post page 23, scumread: Those are all consecutive posts. Well constructed and easy to read. This game he is doing nothing of that. The only read post he gave was the last one. Which he made to get people of his back. The envelope post was terrible vague. It even appears the red envelopes were his townreads and the blue ones were scumreads. How the fuck? That is the opposite as his previous game because there even though he roleplayed his reads were clear. This game he is hiding behind the roleplaying to minimize giving out reads. He isn't a lock mafia. But if we want to lynch a guy who has given town nothing, plays under his capabilities and plays meta different than his last town game. Kruppe is always the lynch. OK. I see your point. DC is still a better lynch | ||
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On July 22 2016 05:19 Koshi wrote: This is a very lazy and cheap summarize of somebody his filter. Town is nothing with this. prplhz is insane lynchbait in every game. He had a couple good posts this game so I don't see why you would want to lynch him over others. Wrong. He was not "insane lynchbait" last game. And I remember someone last game saying he was more useless as scum than as town too. | ||
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On July 22 2016 05:25 Koshi wrote: The guy played 50 games on this site and got lynched in 45. Who the fuck cares what happened in your last game. I don't even care about prplhz his alignment atm. I care about the fact that was another throwaway read you gave. Not a single read you have given this game had anything resembling thought process in it. It's all cheap and generic. 100% ignored. You are most likely mafia or can't be worked with. Pretty sure town will either lynch a townread of mine or a null read anyway. It's incredible. I am gone for 30 hours. It's useless. STFU the only reason ytou posted your Kruppe case in the first place was because I asked you about him I don't care I will drag you to victory. At least you proved being town | ||
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On July 22 2016 05:28 Grackaroni wrote: Timing of this kruppe delurk is pretty suspect. sssssh don't speal too loud it's apparently fuckign suspicious to think that way | ||
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On July 22 2016 05:32 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Friend Rels, Kruppe was town reading you (red was indeed the color of friends —and warmth—) until null. A townread once again! Will you protect poor Kruppe in this time of need? Earn my trust before. IE vote DC | ||
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On July 22 2016 05:34 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Kruppe's vote will stay on traitor Skynx. Why ? | ||
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On July 22 2016 05:37 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Because Kruppe feels a malicious aura radiate from him! Motherfucker can you stop roleplaying for one fucking minute and clearly state WHY is "super townie" Skynx scum | ||
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On July 22 2016 01:56 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Both Skynx and EmperorChampion should know better! They have observed Kruppe's craftsmanship before! Yet they are firmly opposing Kruppe's party. Ludicrousness! That is it ? | ||
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On July 22 2016 05:39 Palmar wrote: I think none of the leading wagons are mafia. Let's kill tumblewood Why is DC town ? | ||
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Still talking about the claims ? Let it go, it was a joke. Maybe you can think it was a forced joke of whatever. But it was a joke, as either alignment. | ||
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On July 22 2016 05:55 Grackaroni wrote: Is that a cop claim? Oh yeah you're right | ||
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On July 22 2016 06:02 sicklucker wrote: kush i think Yo bro. Why kush ? Read DC filter and tell me what you think too. | ||
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On July 22 2016 06:04 sicklucker wrote: well no one will counterclaim since he didnt say a specific role. but in an open setup he shouldn't say anyway since it just tells mafia how to deal with him if hes town. If hes mafia we kill him later He claimed cop, there is only one cop like by setup. I agree with you that cop shouldn't claim right now though, we will find out at one point before the end of the game. | ||
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On July 22 2016 06:26 Palmar wrote: American I would have thought Japanese. meh read is meh | ||
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On July 22 2016 06:33 Koshi wrote: Rels you got meta on DCW? No. I'm not even 100% convinced he's scum. But he's the more likely to flip scum. | ||
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I don't know, I don't townread him. I understood his thought process in one post but that is it. | ||
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On July 22 2016 04:29 Rels wrote: Alright. The post from last game: So you're saying EC have a similar post this game ? Which is it ? On July 22 2016 04:30 Rels wrote: I'm reading it and I have the opposite conclusion. Why are you scumreading me ? | ||
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On July 22 2016 06:42 DCWasabi wrote: I don't have time to read all this in 18 minutes, ask me anything right now and I will answer truthfully. The lynch is actually you or kush. Please read kush s filter and give your thoughts | ||
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On July 22 2016 06:44 Tumblewood wrote: really not tjough the wagons are small and can change quickly. I don't think kush is even getting lynched today. True. It could be you. Can you answer the questions I quoted ? | ||
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On July 22 2016 06:45 Koshi wrote: Sicklucker not being here is pretty damning. No? He does that sometimes D1 as town. Just not caring about the lynch. Him not being here is not damning | ||
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On July 22 2016 06:48 DCWasabi wrote: I think that Kush's case on SL is pretty shitty, but other than that nothing strikes me as particularly scummy. He is always low activity early on. I was Mason with him last game and he put like nothing in Mason QT. I know that I am town, so obviously I would rather lynch him than me, but there may be better lynches. I know that Kruppe was being inactive and useless due to hard to understand, has he posted better stuff recently? He claimed some sort of cop. | ||
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On July 22 2016 06:49 DCWasabi wrote: Why are people even trying to lynch me? I have posted honestly and tried to figure things out, tho it isn't easy and I was pretty damn active early on/ On July 22 2016 04:41 Rels wrote: DC have a fair chance being scum. His filter have almost no content BUT all of his big posts are made to feel like they actually have content. A recurring theme these these big posts is "INACTIVE IS DIFFERENT FROM SCUMMY". Look, it comes back very often: This one doesn't even address the problematic, since Tumble was not attacking Luna and EC for making joke post, but for making "fake contributory" posts. Useless. Useless question to luna + a big post based on luna's answer, yet no conclusion on luna. I don't know what was the point of his question. Pointless questions are a good way to "participate" for scum. No reaction on kush answer. He is a good lynch I'll read some other filters to see if I prefer someone else. But he is a good lynch. | ||
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On July 22 2016 06:52 prplhz wrote: I'm switching to Rels. I'm really unsure but I don't think nnn_thekushmountains is scum. I just agreed with some of his things too much to want to lynch him on d1. And why am I scum ? | ||
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On July 22 2016 06:53 DCWasabi wrote: Rels apparently is tunneling me because my posts aren't useful, but that is pretty fucking stupid as I contributed to getting the game going and making reads when 75% of the players hadn't done jack shit yet at the time. Not only because they aren't useful, but because they are all saying the same thing without contributing to the game. Showing up 15 minutes before deadline when you said you would be there for your lunch break is another thing not in your favor. | ||
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Not available right now but I'll be there in a few hours to read the thread & comment, after that I'll be gone. | ||
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Tumble tunneled me the last game we played together. We were both town. He had a thoughtful reasonning as to why I was scum, but he was super wrong. Nevertheless he tunneled me and lost the game when mafia piled the votes on me. He said post game he was going to work on his tunnel. But he's doing the opposite this game. He's tunneling me so much this game that he's scumreading Koshi uniquely because "Rels is scum". Apart from that he gave 0 reason as to why I'm scum. Scum scum scum | ||
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This is more weak because Palmar is a strong player and NK are WIFOM by nature. | ||
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His D1 was weak. Super weak. Especially EOD1. I was AFK during a lazrge portion of D1. I got some votes on me, Tumble was part of it. When I come, instead of discussing with me he reacts like that: On July 22 2016 04:17 Tumblewood wrote: rels I saw a post (or maybe it was two, I can't remember) so you'd better spew town to keep from getting lynched On July 22 2016 04:27 Tumblewood wrote: okay I read DC's filter and content-wise it sucks but that's much less important than mindset for newbies and I think his mindset is town. rels sorry but you're getting lynched today. I don't see anyone who is a better option than you. | ||
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On July 23 2016 04:46 Tumblewood wrote: are you honestly scumreading someone because you think they're doing something dumb and tunneling? just because I said something postgame two games ago I won't give up my reads because they're fucking right. You have no read. You just have an endless tunnel. | ||
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On July 23 2016 04:49 Grackaroni wrote: 2nd vote on Rels and he's not even here today. Slow the fuck down. If we lynch somebody before I get a chance to go through this thread I am going to be pissed. Calm down ^^ 2 votes are not a lot and the day is still young. | ||
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On July 23 2016 04:50 Tumblewood wrote: first 24 hours: (nothing) first posts: random shitty scumreads EoD: throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks with lynches, but emphasizing dcwasabi who is and was obvious town pretty clear-cut to me. you obviously don't and can't believe your reads because they're so weak and so all over the place. What reads I "can't believe" ? Why is DC "clear cut" town ? | ||
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Please use it if you wanna check something. nnn_thekushmountains (6): DCWasabi(3): Rels, Rels (1): Kruppe the Eel(1): Skynx(1): Kruppe the Eel, emperorchampion (1): [s]Lunaticman]/s], Tumblewood Sicklucker(1):: nnn_thekushmountains Palmar(0):: Lunaticman(0): Mm it will be a lot more interesting with a scum flip. A few things though. My wagon was a "default" wagon, to push the game forward and see what happens. When I started posting seriously everyone jumped off it, apart from (1) Tumble tunneling me and (2) prp that jumped on me at the very end, before switching to kush. These are weird votes. Kruppe's wagon started randomly and grew super fast. So fast that Kruppe had to claim to stop it. There is a good chance that there is at least one scum in it, jumping on the occasion. After all Kruppe was an easy scumread to push. Finally, kush's wagon. I thought it had more votes difference with DC than that. Only 3 votes difference, and the last two votes appeared very close to the deadline (during the last 20 minutes). DC in particular only came back to the thread ~20 minutes before deadline. It's possible he planned on AFKing the lynch but feared being lynched after all and came back to the thread to vote. | ||
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On July 23 2016 04:59 Tumblewood wrote: like, all seventy of your scumreads. there is no way you came back to thread after afkness and had a very strong DC (aka dude with 100% town mindset) read and four other scumreads and you believed all of them. That is a lie. The only strong scumread I had was: On July 22 2016 04:41 Rels wrote: DC have a fair chance being scum. His filter have almost no content BUT all of his big posts are made to feel like they actually have content. A recurring theme these these big posts is "INACTIVE IS DIFFERENT FROM SCUMMY". Look, it comes back very often: This one doesn't even address the problematic, since Tumble was not attacking Luna and EC for making joke post, but for making "fake contributory" posts. Useless. Useless question to luna + a big post based on luna's answer, yet no conclusion on luna. I don't know what was the point of his question. Pointless questions are a good way to "participate" for scum. No reaction on kush answer. He is a good lynch I'll read some other filters to see if I prefer someone else. But he is a good lynch. I also had a post on prp and a post on you being possible scum. That is it. Actually I found a post of mine resuming my mindset after catching up: On July 22 2016 05:01 Rels wrote: Palmar might be town. Kruppe I'm not sure but I'm not seeing the scuminess. kush could be anything but I dont' really want to lynch him today because he usually stays AFK for long periods of time as scum, he's kinda easy to read the later the game goes. SL I forgot he was in the game, but him not doing anything D1 is possible for any alignment, so a lynch on him would be a pure policy. I want to read his filter before ruling him out but since I don't remember anything he's said I don't think I'll find anything interesting. It's probably gonna be between DC and PRP. And no worries about me I'm town. On July 22 2016 05:02 Rels wrote: Tumble is a possibility too. He voted me for no reason at the moment I came back to the thread. He didn't state any reason for the vote, he could be scum going with the wind. And he left while I was questionning him on his attack on EC earlier. So, one strong scumread and two scumleans. There. Prove there was more or STFU | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:11 Grackaroni wrote: My mileage may vary. I have some strong scum games and some shitty scum games and none really in the middle. K. Cause I'm rereading EOD1 and this psot is super townie: On July 22 2016 06:08 Grackaroni wrote: Let the WAGON OF JUSTICE commence! First I was ignored. Then I was suspected. But now my wisdom has shown through. let justice prevail. Down with the scoundrel! ##Vote: Kushm4sta I mean, it got a townie killed, but you were the main force behind kush's lynch. Scum usually are more careful being the main point of attention. I've got to meta you to see if it's in your scum wheelhouse then. | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:14 sicklucker wrote: i agree I said the same thing koshi but said you or rels and then I said probably. its probably rels.... yo bro it's not | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:16 Grackaroni wrote: Rels do you still think DCwasabi is scum? Yeah. He did nothing to explain his wasteful posts at the very end of D1. Actually he continued talking about it. And him coming back to the thread 20 minutes before deadline when the votes were 4-3 is suspicious too. Tumble is asking to get lynched though. I think he decided to play "too scummy to be scum" and just mindlessly tunnel on people and posting anything. | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:20 Lunaticman wrote: FUCK IT, can't we just lynch Koshi then, if he flips scum we will have loads to build on. If he flipps town I don't know though. I am honestly pretty lost today. Why is Koshi scum ? | ||
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On July 22 2016 05:25 Koshi wrote: The guy played 50 games on this site and got lynched in 45. Who the fuck cares what happened in your last game. I don't even care about prplhz his alignment atm. I care about the fact that was another throwaway read you gave. Not a single read you have given this game had anything resembling thought process in it. It's all cheap and generic. 100% ignored. You are most likely mafia or can't be worked with. Pretty sure town will either lynch a townread of mine or a null read anyway. It's incredible. I am gone for 30 hours. It's useless. He had the perfect excuse to just shut ut for the rest of the EOD1. And he didn't. He still posted 15 times more after that, being very involved with kush's lynch (a lynch he would know to be wrong if he was scum). Even now he's working with Skynx instead of cracking under the pressure of being scumread like he did in Star Wars. | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:24 sicklucker wrote: neither of you are getting lynched today fyi relax. its probably rels bro I am not scum and you're starting to annoy me strongly scumreading me only because of a NK | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:26 Lunaticman wrote: I'm following Tumbles argument. Besides Koshi has such a large filter we are bound to find another mafia if he flips. I cant really read him as mafia myself though. If Koshi flips town tumble should be the next auto lynch. Also my radar has pinned Krupp, Tumble and Koshi I posted it early today. I admit that I am grasping at straws but it feels right. You don't kill people just because it would be nice if they flipped scum p: | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:27 sicklucker wrote: grack is also a good target because he did sort of lead the mislynch. would have nked palmar (both are vets) and for the reason i voted him day 1 which I mostly forget How is leading a mislynch scum indicative ? | ||
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On July 22 2016 19:54 prplhz wrote: maybe grackaroni said it (hurr durr also scumread him) and maybe a bunch of people said it pretty much simultaneously and maybe "adept in truth" sounds a lot more like a COP, a guy who INVESTIGATES PEOPLE to find out the TRUTH about them and not so much like a MEDIC who HEALS PEOPLE or a VIGILANTE who SHOOTS PEOPLE IN THE FACE or a WHATEVER who PUTS THEM IN PRISON i'm trying to make sense of this thing where you claim blue but not a role. but then again, you really seemed to claim cop so i don't know if you're just messing around and wasting everybody's (my) time right now. This post overflows with prp's will to solve the game. And of course, scum's role is to fake solving the game. It's hard though. Here prp's mindset is: "fucking kruppe claimed a role. fucking kruppe don't say a damn clear thing. I'm gonna make him spit out his claim or I will die trying". It's beautiful to read. It's townie. Prp is likely town. | ||
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Yes. Scum usually plays more the follower than the leader. Scum usually try to not appear to be too wrong. So I don't understand you. | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:43 sicklucker wrote: also apparently grack jumped off the kush wagon once he had enough votes to seal the deal. interesting Really ? I missed this then, this is pretty bad | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:44 sicklucker wrote: oh no he didnt the vote counter is kind of a mess =/ lol p: | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:44 sicklucker wrote: no thats just the bad scum. The good scum get lynches off of team mates Then you're saying DC and Graca are partners ? | ||
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On July 23 2016 04:43 Rels wrote: The reasonning is simple. Tumble tunneled me the last game we played together. We were both town. He had a thoughtful reasonning as to why I was scum, but he was super wrong. Nevertheless he tunneled me and lost the game when mafia piled the votes on me. He said post game he was going to work on his tunnel. But he's doing the opposite this game. He's tunneling me so much this game that he's scumreading Koshi uniquely because "Rels is scum". Apart from that he gave 0 reason as to why I'm scum. Scum scum scum On July 23 2016 04:45 Rels wrote: + Palmar was killed. It was a very weird shot. But his scumread at EOD1 was Tumble. It's another scum indicator for Tumble. This is more weak because Palmar is a strong player and NK are WIFOM by nature. On July 23 2016 04:50 Rels wrote: Another point on tumble His D1 was weak. Super weak. Especially EOD1. I was AFK during a lazrge portion of D1. I got some votes on me, Tumble was part of it. When I come, instead of discussing with me he reacts like that: On July 23 2016 05:03 Rels wrote: Day 1 vote recap colored with flips Please use it if you wanna check something. nnn_thekushmountains (6): DCWasabi(3): Rels, Rels (1): Kruppe the Eel(1): Skynx(1): Kruppe the Eel, emperorchampion (1): Sicklucker(1):: nnn_thekushmountains Palmar(0):: Lunaticman(0): My wagon was a "default" wagon, to push the game forward and see what happens. When I started posting seriously everyone jumped off it, apart from (1) Tumble tunneling me and (2) prp that jumped on me at the very end, before switching to kush. These are weird votes. [...] DC is also likely scum: On July 23 2016 05:19 Rels wrote: Yeah. He did nothing to explain his wasteful posts at the very end of D1. Actually he continued talking about it. And him coming back to the thread 20 minutes before deadline when the votes were 4-3 is suspicious too. Tumble is asking to get lynched though. I think he decided to play "too scummy to be scum" and just mindlessly tunnel on people and posting anything. On July 23 2016 05:03 Rels wrote: Day 1 vote recap colored with flips Please use it if you wanna check something. nnn_thekushmountains (6): DCWasabi(3): Rels, Rels (1): Kruppe the Eel(1): Skynx(1): Kruppe the Eel, emperorchampion (1): [s]Lunaticman]/s], Tumblewood Sicklucker(1):: nnn_thekushmountains Palmar(0):: Lunaticman(0): [...] Finally, kush's wagon. I thought it had more votes difference with DC than that. Only 3 votes difference, and the last two votes appeared very close to the deadline (during the last 20 minutes). DC in particular only came back to the thread ~20 minutes before deadline. It's possible he planned on AFKing the lynch but feared being lynched after all and came back to the thread to vote. | ||
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But I'll be super AFK until Monday. Sorry hosts, I wouldn't have signed up if I knew about that -_- | ||
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I've got lots of meetings today so I'll catch up during my lunch break, in a few hours. See you then (= | ||
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On July 23 2016 13:03 DCWasabi wrote: OK, well turns out "solving the game" was a bit too ambitious, but I can give my thoughts... Rels: #1 Mafia He tunneled me 4ever, confirmed town (to myself). He is also throwing shade at tumble, who I believe is town and Prp who is my #1 town read. Grackaroni: Mafia Rels #1 bestest teamate, if Rels flips town then disregard this read prplhz: #1 town consistant tone, changes his mind when presented with evidence, hard to fake passion, hesitant to lynch Kush, good thoughts about Kruppe Skynx: I think she is town or a skilled mafia, more likely town. Filter is fucking long. Good logic and reading things, moving thread forward. I like her case on Koshi and defence of Kush. note: I don't read prplhz or Skynx as Mafia for scumreading me necessairly, because I admit that parts of my play have looked a bit scummy. They aren't tunelling me like Rels was. Kruppe: town for now because nobody cced Tumble: Town He is either town, or I think he is a really good at mafia. Lunaticman: Another fking long filter. I think he is town, but if he ever confirmed town... do this: Go back and look at posts where he suspected somebody and then see who questioned his credibility right afterwards or called him crazy (they may be mafia). Empc: Town, as I explained earlier, I don't think his play this game is the exact same as his last scum games. For me it is noticeably different, even if he is not driving thread forward with logic, I feel like his posts are more heartfelt and not forced. Either he is town this game or he got better at playing mafia. i hope I'm not wrong. There is also some Wifom about his "random vote" that yielded Palmar. I think it leans town as it would be too obvious to then NK palmer, but Wifom will be Wifom. It is a bit weird though that he then didn't comment on the idea that maybe mafia were setting him up... but it is not like he was really pushing for a Palmar kill, so it is probably nothing... 1 more thing, he is defending me at a points where I think it would have be stupid to do so if he was mafia. I mean, if there are several town on me right now, then I think Mafia could have a good shot at lynching me with a push form just 1-2 Mafia (please don't do that). He says I need to step up and I think that is fair. Sicklucker: Towny because his reads make sense to me Koshi: Town if he is not town then we will worry about that later, he can actually push thread forward if he is town. WELL FK, one of my TR has to be Mafia because it doesn't add up This list, that happens a few pages after I've left, is fucking terrible. All the reasonning is terrible. Except the part of EC which is OK. But the rest is super terrible. | ||
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On July 24 2016 00:58 prplhz wrote: It's more reasonable to lynch Tumblewood. But this lynch does feel a little easy. Compared to how he keeps saying that Kruppe the Eel should be lynched, this is fairly reasonable. Is it me or does this post smell like a bus ? I'll keep a close eye on prp's posts when I read EOD2. | ||
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On July 24 2016 04:39 prplhz wrote: I'd much rather just MURDER DCWasabi. He seems to be putting noticably less deliberation into the game than he did last game. You could say that carefree reads would ostensibly point to town but it just seems like he doesn't care as much about pushing his ideas as he did the last two games I played with him. Like just now, just 5 minutes of going through Tumblewood's filter and posting a couple of posts with a one liner smacked on them. Just doesn't seem like how he posted in the other games, he would be more inquisitive and then when he had an idea he would push it. This just seems like "you guys do whatever as long as I have some deniability for whatever's happeneing". On July 24 2016 04:45 prplhz wrote: DCWasabi voting in this game DCWasabi voting in Bavarian Night kills DCWasabi voting in Onegu is best host On July 24 2016 04:46 prplhz wrote: Also Palmar's last words was that DCWasabi was going way under the radar. There is no way prp and DC are both scum. Here prp is trying to change the lynch from Tumble to DC. It makes no sense if all three of them are scum. | ||
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First, I gotta reread it, but the only things I remember from him D2 before I left was "Palmar NK proves that there is one scum between Grac and Rels. Let's kill Grab pretty please." I remember a lot of posts about it, with no reasonning other than a NK, that is useful when solving the game, but by definition WIFOM. A case that only rest on NK analysis is a bad case. Now when I'm at atm (p. 80), around 2 hours before deadline, Tumble is looking to be the lynch. SL has a series of posts that only contains words, with no apparent thought process: On July 24 2016 05:01 sicklucker wrote: Theres no way tumbleweed is mafia. two confirmed towns from my pov are not even voting him. and my most likely mafia suspects are. this wont end well On July 24 2016 05:03 sicklucker wrote: Also grack and someone else wanted to lynch me. if they were town dont you think mafia might join them? On July 24 2016 05:05 sicklucker wrote: like koshi my top 3 towns are not voting tumbleweed. Two are confirmed to me (myself and the chez wannabe) This is a mislynch... Here SL is talking about Lunatic and Kruppe. The only reason he has for townreading TUmble is "Lunatic, Kruppe and I are not voting him". No offense to Lunatic and Kruppe, but their read suck, town or not town. Lunatic spent a lot of time trying to lynch an un cc blue. Kruppe spent a lot of time roleplaying instead of playing. It is not a good argument as to why Tumble is town. On July 24 2016 05:12 sicklucker wrote: also if i was mafia i would hammer tumbler here 100%. even if I was with him I would probably hammer because you idiots want to lynch me next Then, this post. First, it is so defensive, like if he knew he would be looking bad if Tumble flipped scum. Which is what happens. Second, more importantly, it is a lie. SL has proclaimed multiple times and multiple threads that he does not bus. He actualyl used his argument repeatedly in several games we played together to try to prove his townieness; from the top of my memory, I remember the JAT game, but I've seen it in more threads.. Now he's using the inverse argument of "if I was mafia I would bus". This is in complete contradiction with his usual mindset. He's lying, likely because he's scum. Damnit. I shouldn't take the time to find the posts but whatever that should be quick. Here is what I'm talking about, these posts comes from the JAT game where sicklucker was town: On April 28 2016 01:14 sicklucker wrote: well I didnt bus super the game before... and he asked me to I cant make this shit up. Super wanted me to bus him all game but I went out of my way to keep him alive. Like this is something that acualy happened. I killed rstoulin for the specific reason that if she flipped scum super would look alot more townie and not get lynched. I said the logic in the third party qt if you think im making this up for any reason On April 28 2016 01:16 sicklucker wrote: so we have acual evidence in a very very recent game where super LITERRALY ASKED ME TO BUS HIM. but I refused. Yet for me to be scum here I would have had to run such a crazy epic bus on super AND ONEGU. like its acualy so improbable and you can not denie my logic here On April 28 2016 03:33 sicklucker wrote: why cant I? I provided evidence where super asked me to bus him and I refused On April 28 2016 03:36 sicklucker wrote: Like I bus way less then the average person dispite what jat says. He was my scum partner the only time i ever really bussed. I cant actually think of a clean bus I ever did since then. and I really only bussed in that spot because I was the second wagon and there was no reason not too Like, here is SL's usual thought process about busing: "I despice busing, I only did it once because I was the second wagon, I was asked once by my partner to be bused but I went out of my way to try and save him". AND here is SL's thought process about busing this game: "I would have bused Tumble if I was scum with him". Lie lie lie. This + his reads being based on shaky stuff, it's super likely he's scum. Let me finish catching up to see what else happened though. | ||
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On July 24 2016 05:15 sicklucker wrote: dcw still seems like a 50/50.. hes like 3/4th on my suspect list so I dont think its the greatest. but better then this Then Lunatic has ONE post taking about that we should have lynched me D1: On July 24 2016 05:27 Lunaticman wrote: I cant believe we didnt do rels day1... the thing is I think it feels like both koshi and sl are towny, but I mean we cant be sure. This lynch has to be a mafia and I think there are 2 mafia on the tumble lynch. So it is either Rels or Grack then. Haze feels towny too. And for no reason SL now clears DC and tries to lynch me: On July 24 2016 05:28 sicklucker wrote: everyone vote rels now. hes way better then dc. dc is even voting rels so dc is a cool dude On July 24 2016 05:47 sicklucker wrote: And here is his reasonning: Like I havent even read rels filter but im like 95% sure hes mafia just by the way the games played out and others interactions and voting patterns. easiest game of my life Nothing makes me scum. Nothing makes DC town. But it's in line with every SL's reads this game. He's having reads and he's saying words to justify these reads. But the words he's using do not match the reads, they're just empty. And I didn't mention it yet but there is more post about how he would have hammered Tumble if he was mafia. I don't wanna flood the thread so I'll wait until I reach deadline before posting. Lunatic seems so lost. That is in line with my read of him being a super lost and crazy townie. He's posting a lot of nonsense but it feels so directionless that it makes sense for a first time newbie. I really think he's town. EC why are you scumreading me ? Or if you're not anymore, why were yuo scumreading me near EOD2 ? Koshi HAMMERING but not really because he cannot count is fucking hilarious. =D Grac being super wary about town not being cohesive BUT calling for a Tumble lynch at the same time is super townie. The first thing applies to Skynx kinda too. EC's hammer does not mean anything because Tumble would have died even if he voted Grac. The votecount is wrong indicating 5 votes for Tumble in the final votecount when he should have 6. K I'm done with D2. | ||
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##Unvote SL is only 2 votes away from being hammered, and I don't want that to happen. I want to read the D3 posts that I missed after work and I don't want to risk the day being over. | ||
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On July 25 2016 20:47 Koshi wrote: What is sl his angle as mafia to spare dcw? There was a legit chance that DCW was going to get momentum if there is no mafia within Koshi/prplhz. Yet every mafia refused to go to that lynch? And don't tell me dcw is mafia because he is town. Mafia wanted to kill Grack. There are at least 2 mafia on Grack. Tumble + lunatic. There is a chance that the third mafia is on Grack as well (skynx or sl) but I am townreading skynx pretty heavily now. And sl a bit. I believe prplhz was the mafia that tried to make the DCW wagon happen with me. And both Tumble and Luna didn't want to be third and waited till there was more town on the wagon to swap. I don't know why he didn't go DC. The obvious explanation is that DC is scum. If he's town like you believe then IDK why SL didn't go that route. Maybe he thought him and Tumble would both be doomed if he lead a mislynch on DC, maybe he wanted DC to be lynched but without him pushing it. What I kow is that SL's reasonning do not explain at all SL's reads, but he's making seem like they do. And most importantly, he has stated a lie about his meta to justify himself about not hammering Tumble. There is 0 town motivation to do that. It's impossible that SL really believes he would bus in this position because that is just false. Why is lunatic scum ? I really have a hard time believing it. Why is prp scum ? | ||
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On July 25 2016 06:46 sicklucker wrote: ok so I think dc is definitely scum. he played pretty much the same as me to be honest. hard defended tumble. The only difference is hes a first time mafia if he is. which means he might be terrible and risk his entire game on tumbleweed something I wouldnt do. Also I think the lynch pools small and I certainly dont want to get lynched. kruppe was right here hes going to flip mafia What. So the thing that makes you confirmed town is also the thing that makes DC scum ? It doesn't make sense | ||
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On July 26 2016 02:03 Lunaticman wrote: Well I'm also thinking about the fact that the mafia has been using me as click bait. And I also assume I'm town. Can someone give me a link that explains all the roles in detail that are possible in the game? But I can't see to find it. You asked this same question early game already, don't you remember ? | ||
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On July 20 2016 20:34 Skynx wrote: Jailkeeper protects you from nk but also roleblocks you gf turns green for cop checks parity cop checks two persons over two cycles, end of second cycle he recieves "same, different or no-result" Strongarm makes nk piercing protections On July 20 2016 20:39 Rels wrote: Jailkeeper protects a person each night, like a doctor. The difference is that he also roleblocks his target. If his target is a cop for example, the cop will be protected but won't be able to check someone that night. If the jailkeeper target is a mafia killing someone, his target won't be able to carry the kill (IE no mafia kill will happen). Strongarm: during the night, the mafia can kill one person. If their target is protected, the kill won't happen. BUT the strongarm can make it so that the kill will bypass protection. Godfather: a cop can check a person each night to learn his alignment: town or mafia. A godfather will return "town" to a cop acheck. | ||
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On July 26 2016 02:16 Lunaticman wrote: So might this be the reason Kruppe cleared SL? "If the jailkeeper target is a mafia killing someone, his target won't be able to carry the kill (IE no mafia kill will happen" I wish he just said who he targeted in plain text, can someone figure that out since if he targeted a mafia there would not have been a nk? Yes if he targeted the mafia carrying the kill there would not have been a NK. Only him though. If he targeted a mafia that was not carrying the kill, there would have been a NK anyway. | ||
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Please use it if you wanna check something. I corrected the mistakes I spoted on the official votecounts. + Show Spoiler [Day 1 final votecount] + nnn_thekushmountains (6): DCWasabi(3): Rels, Rels (1): Kruppe the Eel(1): Skynx(1): Kruppe the Eel, emperorchampion (1): Sicklucker(1):: nnn_thekushmountains Palmar(0): Lunaticman(0): + Show Spoiler [Day 2 final votecount] + Tumblewood (6): Rels, Grackaroni(4): Tumblewood, Sickluker, Skynx, Lunaticman Koshi (1): Skynx(1):Skynx Lunaticman(1): Rels (0): DCWasabi (0): sicklucker (0): Let's see what can be said about the votes. | ||
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I didn't realize both DC and Skynx wasted their votes, it's worth to check why. EC's hammer is not alignment indicative as said before because his vote didn't matter, but he's pretty townie on his own. We can see Tumble trying to save himself by switching off me and to Grac. I thought it was going to be more insightful than that =X | ||
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On July 26 2016 02:21 Koshi wrote: He said he targeted TW. And he was probably RB'ed. I missed this somehow. RB and JK are usually applies simultaneously though so him being RB doesn't matter. | ||
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On July 24 2016 06:10 DCWasabi wrote: I'm changing my vote to Koshi. I believe in you Skynx. ## unvote ##vote Koshi I'll be back after the silent night. DC had to go 50 minutes before EOD2. Skynx actually voted Grac before EOD2, the official votecount still count him on both Grac on himself though. But he was on Grac at deadline. | ||
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On July 26 2016 02:38 Lunaticman wrote: If we assume EC is towny, Skynx is really scummy. Do we think there are 2 mafia on the grac lynch? If so there should be another mafia between Skynx and SL. The only reason I'm holding a bit back on SL is because of kruppes statements. It is the same reason I'm trusting you rels. Mafia usually spreads out so I would be surprised if 3 scum were on the Grac lynch. 2 is very possible. What did Kruppe say about SL ? | ||
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On July 26 2016 02:55 Skynx wrote: I'm here folks. Will be here for next few hours as well. Nice transition, I'm going out soon ^^ but I'll be phoneposting. | ||
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prp. Please explain your hammer ASAP. There is a fucking reason as to why hammer is bad and it was stated over and over since the game start. | ||
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On July 26 2016 17:39 Skynx wrote: You're all already so bad Lunatic/DCW survived yesterday. I give up all hope if we lynch someone else today. We have time. First I want to hear how prp explains that hammer. Second I wanna know if Koshi really died and what he flipped. | ||
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On July 26 2016 23:07 emperorchampion wrote: To be clear: let's not hammer until end of day. Unfortunately, this is going to be pretty difficult, since majority is 4, and there are 2 scum. That means 2 votes on someone is potential hammer so we should be a bit careful here. 100% Hammering is fucking stupid. That is why prp needs to explain exactly why he hammered yesterday. | ||
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On July 26 2016 23:22 Grackaroni wrote: Coloring vote counts turns out to be way harder to do than I ever knew, so I'm just going to go with a summary. I don't have time to do that now, but I will do it tonight at some point. Vote analysis is so much easier with colored flips. | ||
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On July 27 2016 01:39 prplhz wrote: there's really nothing i could say that i didn't say already gotta admit i didn't expect you guys to freak out so much over it though can you just give some reads because the thread has completely stalled waiting for you I'm catching up so you will have to wait a bit. What did you "say already" ? The only thing I remember was "I don't wanna wait" or something like that. | ||
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On July 27 2016 01:40 Grackaroni wrote: This might have been the breadcrumb. I think he was the only one who was absolutely certain EC couldn't be mafia, at the very least. OMG I remember that list, I remember very clearly thinking "Why the fuck am I not at 0% with Grac and EC when he's townreading us 3" at the time. 100% they are the green checks Super nice find | ||
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On July 27 2016 01:42 prplhz wrote: no because he thought emperorchampion was mafia by looking at his filter he read him, he didn't check him one of his accusations against sicklucker was that sicklucker refused to see in emperorchampion's filter than emperorchampion was town. that accusation makes no sense if Koshi thought emperorchampion looked scummy enough to warrant a lynch. That really, really looks like an obvious breadcrumb though. 2 checks, 2 people at 0%. I will have to reread his filter to check how he treated them two to be sure but it seems super convincing | ||
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On July 26 2016 23:28 prplhz wrote: this is leading nowhere town needs more flips so i will hammer myself if i get the chance What is your motivation behind that post ? | ||
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On July 27 2016 00:13 emperorchampion wrote: I can't believe that I didn't piece together that koshi was cop yesterday, especially when he was posting about everybody needing to do the reads thing, since I had the exact same thought at the end of day 2 that we all need to post reads in order to hide our cop in the future since silent nights. His day 1 check was grack (really good check btw lol), and I was probably his day 2 check (likely due to the last minute vote). I know his day 1 check was grack because after grack posted about only towny people voting for tumble (great post btw), koshi switched there as well. He put 2 people as 0% mafia on his last list, grack and I. I am writing this part first to convince you that I'm town and not trying to deceive you at all in this. We should treat both grack and I confirmed town here. LOL Grac you totally stole that from EC. p: | ||
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You said you couldn't explain your hammer more than you did already, but where did you justify yourself already ? What is the thought process behind hammering yourself ? | ||
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prp I'm pretty convinced you're scum. You have some time to convince me otherwise (unless another terrible dude hammer again today). Not gonna vote you until I reread your filter but this is what I have in mind. I think you are scum because:
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On July 27 2016 01:55 prplhz wrote: i can't imagine any honest answer i could give to either of these questions that would be useful to you If you're town, you did these retarded actions with an honest mindset. Describe what you felt at the time you did them. | ||
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On July 27 2016 02:36 prplhz wrote: eh okay this case is really bad generally you just make the wrong conclusions for what appears to be no reason gonna wait until you read my filter before responding but overall 1) koshi dying n3 means nothing 2) this narrative is retarded 3) talked about this already 4) hmm okay On July 27 2016 02:37 prplhz wrote: 4) is literally "town has no reason to do this so you're scum doing it to look town" lol This doesn't explain anything from what I've said. In particular, the 4) point is something scum do all the time. "too scummy to be scum" is a thing scum do when they are in a bad spot. | ||
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On July 27 2016 03:27 Grackaroni wrote: This case isn't nearly as convincing to me as your SL case yesterday. Points 1/4 are mostly just wifom. Prplhz's vote seems scummy in retrospect, but I think his story actually adds up. It's not too odd that he made a switch when he wasn't strongly favoring TW over DCW to begin with. And there's nothing prplhz said that would have prevented him from making a switch on to me if he really wanted to save TW. Prplhz would look bad if Tumblewood eventually got lynched, but I think he could have made the switch if he was already putting that much effort into saving TW by putting out a case on DCW. Point number two is pretty good. I think mafia would want the day to be over before Koshi changes his vote again when SL is getting lynched. But hammering isn't strange for Prplhz. Look at day 2. Lunatic's story of trying to lay a trap for the mafia by encouraging wagons on Koshi/TW and then wanting to kill SL for not voting TW seems more suspicious to me. K I will reread exactly what happened EOD2. | ||
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On July 27 2016 04:54 prplhz wrote: there i can bluff about being the last vote on me but not about being the first vote on me not lynching Lunaticman in a million years It doesn't make any more sense from a town perspective though. | ||
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On July 27 2016 18:19 Lunaticman wrote: How much time is left? Something like 12h30 | ||
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This got wxay longer that I initially thought, I'll try to insert some formatting but it still probably going to be a big mess. Day 1 prp's D1 was meh. Pretty passive, get a vote going on me just to see what happens. Nothing very townie or scummy. His EOD1 is scum indicative. He comes back around 2 hours before deadline and has a series of posts during 1 hour in which he pushes a Kruppe lynch, starting with and ending with these posts: On July 22 2016 04:47 prplhz wrote: when is deadline On July 22 2016 05:42 prplhz wrote: Just vote with me and stay up for the deadline. Otherwise it's KAPOW! Not long after that post, Kruppe claims in thread: On July 22 2016 05:54 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Kruppe has decided. The wolves are not backing out. The friends are too shaken by the mysteries surrounding Kruppe. Kruppe is an adept in truth. Then prp disappears for 1 hour, only coming back 15 minute before deadline. Scum has a hard time deadling with new info, especially around deadline when a mistake can get you lynched easily. Here prp was pushing a lynch for 1 hour on Kruppe; Kruppe claimed; then prp disappears without re evaluating. This is scum indicative. As I said, he comes back 15 minutes before deadline, saying he doesn't want to lynch kush, then agreeing to lynch him anyway: On July 22 2016 06:44 prplhz wrote: I don't want to lynch nnn_thekushmountains!!! On July 22 2016 06:52 prplhz wrote: I'm switching to Rels. I'm really unsure but I don't think nnn_thekushmountains is scum. I just agreed with some of his things too much to want to lynch him on d1. On July 22 2016 06:56 prplhz wrote: Hmm okay after reading his filter again I guess we can lynch nnn_thekushmountains. Sorry dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 There is no reasonning explaining this switch. That is it for D1. Starting to read his D2. Day 2 On July 22 2016 19:54 prplhz wrote: maybe grackaroni said it (hurr durr also scumread him) and maybe a bunch of people said it pretty much simultaneously and maybe "adept in truth" sounds a lot more like a COP, a guy who INVESTIGATES PEOPLE to find out the TRUTH about them and not so much like a MEDIC who HEALS PEOPLE or a VIGILANTE who SHOOTS PEOPLE IN THE FACE or a WHATEVER who PUTS THEM IN PRISON i'm trying to make sense of this thing where you claim blue but not a role. but then again, you really seemed to claim cop so i don't know if you're just messing around and wasting everybody's (my) time right now. I remember thinking the whole series of posts where prp gets super angry at Kruppe was super townie. Reading it I thought prp was blue and was pressuring Kruppe hard so he could CC him if Kruppe said the wrong role though. And immediately after Kruppe finally claims, prp townreads him instantly: On July 22 2016 20:40 prplhz wrote: yea okay you can be town now were you roleblocked? So I thought prp was another role than JK and that explained (1) his frustration at Kruppe not claiming clearly and (2) his sudden townread of Kruppe when he finally claimed. But it turns out that prp is not a role, so I find it a little bit weird he felt so frustrated at Kruppe not claiming an exact role. I mean, I was pretty sure he was some sort of cop 'cause he said he was a "keeper of the truth" or something like that. If prp is scum he pressured Kruppe into claiming his role because this info is a good info to have as scum. It might be possible. I don't think it indicate specifically that prp is scum but I don't think it indicates that prp is town either. Both alignment had motivation to do what he did. On July 24 2016 00:42 prplhz wrote: Tumblewood at 5 votes. 1 more and it's hammer and goodbye and silence. On July 24 2016 00:58 prplhz wrote: It's more reasonable to lynch Tumblewood. But this lynch does feel a little easy. Compared to how he keeps saying that Kruppe the Eel should be lynched, this is fairly reasonable. These posts might indicate that prp and Tumble are partner. His attitude is the indicator: he's OK lynching Tumble (to gain towncred if case he's lynched) but bringing up arguments against it at the same time (because Tumble living would be better). I'm pretty sure Koshi summarized these posts better, let me see. Yep talking about this: On July 25 2016 18:21 Koshi wrote: Here prplhz moves back to Tumble: But even though he had Tumble as mafia before he moved with me to DCW, he still undermines the tumble lynch: He bussed. That is it for D2. Day 3 Nothing stands out. Apart from the hammer. On July 26 2016 04:12 prplhz wrote: Hammer. ##Vote sicklucker Koshi Rels Grackaroni All good townies, lets see who they want to lynch. Yes, I know you're gonna get mad about this emperorchampion but I'm bored and I wanna see some blood. As stated multiple time already, hammering is super bad. Hammering SEVERAL HOURS before deadline and BEFORE sicklucker had a chance to talk. See, it doesn't make any kind of sense. EVEN if sicklucker was confirmed scum in prp's mind (and if he is town I can believe it is the case since I was super convinced too), sicklucker's defending himself bring information to the thread, specifically we could have seen how people reacts to it. But we were denied of this info by the hammer. Now the justification is bad too. "I'm bored and I wanna see some blood". It doesn't justify doing the single worse thing that happened in this game. Day 4 Not much to say about it yet. I don't understand the self-vote but I concede it's bad as either alignment. Conclusion Scum. ##Vote prplhz | ||
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On July 27 2016 18:52 prplhz wrote: i don't even know what you're trying to say but Grackaroni explained everything rather well even though i disagree with his answer to 2) because of something you mention right here. the "bad spot" thing. the only "good" thing to come out of this for scum was 3 hours less of discussion. but why would scum put themselves in my position for 3 hours less discussion? was that really worth it? didn't everything in the thread point at a sicklucker lynch anyway? was anyone else (me or my scumbuddy) even tangentially threatened? did anything indicate that in those 3 hours, something bad would actually happen for scum? the thread and the town was like this: a lot of people wanted to kill sicklucker and Koshi was sort of all over the place for a couple of hours but then he settled down. i don't really remember what other people wanted because it wasn't really fleshed out enough and rather unlikely to happen anyway. why would scum feel like they had to risk anything to hammer under those circumstances? and you can say it was because Koshi thought i was scum for a total of 6½ minutes but he completely turned around on that after i wrote two more posts. you can also read my replies to his accusations and see if i feel threatened or pressured or whatever. post some quotes. the idea that we town could've used those 3 hours of discussion and therefore anyone who openly denies town these 3 hours is 100% scum is just naïve. and generally wrong. You analysis of the hammer is super bad. You're saying "3 hours less of discussion doesn't bring anything to the scumteam". This is the opposite of the truth. sicklucker was killed before he had a chance to react to the votes on him. If he had a chance to defend, he muight have been able to prove his townieness and someone else could haveb een lynched. Him getting lynched instantly without the possibility of this happening was GOOD for the scumteam. Yes, shenannies happens all the time. This is fucking wrong: but why would scum put themselves in my position for 3 hours less discussion? was that really worth it? didn't everything in the thread point at a sicklucker lynch anyway? was anyone else (me or my scumbuddy) even tangentially threatened? did anything indicate that in those 3 hours, something bad would actually happen for scum? In mafia, and especially in TL mafia, it happens ALL THE TIME that the lynch is changed last minute. Only in this game, it happened D1, it almsot happened D2; and counting every game on this website I'm suer at least half of the lynches weren't the leading wagons 1 hour before deadline. | ||
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On July 27 2016 19:08 prplhz wrote: this case is beyond weak You can always concede | ||
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Please use it if you wanna check something. I corrected the mistakes I spoted on the official votecounts. + Show Spoiler [Day 1 final votecount] + nnn_thekushmountains (6): DCWasabi(3): Rels, Rels (1): Kruppe the Eel(1): sicklucker(1):: nnn_thekushmountains Skynx(1): Kruppe the Eel, emperorchampion (0): Palmar(0): Lunaticman(0): + Show Spoiler [Day 2 final votecount] + Tumblewood (6): Rels, Grackaroni(4): Tumblewood, sicklucker, Skynx, Lunaticman Koshi (1): Skynx(0): Lunaticman(0): Rels (0): DCWasabi (0): sicklucker (0): + Show Spoiler [Day 3 final votecount] + sicklucker (6): DCWasabi, Koshi, Rels, Grackaroni, Skynx, prplhz DCWasabi (1): Lunaticman (0): Not voting (2): Lunaticman, emperorchampion | ||
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On July 27 2016 19:29 prplhz wrote: d3 is obviously wrong as it only took 5 to lynch Skynx switched to DCWasabi before lynch Yeah you're right | ||
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On July 25 2016 00:53 Koshi wrote: I don't think there is a snowball chance in hell EC is mafia. I have read his filter AGAIN. I am not 100% sure ofc but seriously.. These guys, should repeated after me: "EC is not mafia" Especially it is beyond me that a vet like sicklucker doesn't see it. Sicklucker, I would very kindly ask that you read EC his filter and give a definitive read on him. Because I know on of you 3 or maybe all 3 are trying to get him lynched and I don't understand why. Here Koshi says he read EC's filter "again". But he doesn't mention anything from his filter, just that he is confirmed not mafia. He does say "I'm not 100% sure", then in the same sentence "repeat after me: EC is not mafia". I think he was trying to make the check obvious in case he was killed, while hiding it as long as nobody knew he was cop. | ||
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On July 25 2016 23:00 Koshi wrote: If 2 people play exactly the same over a long period and not in the endgame it is almost always that they are both town. Never are they both mafia. Sometimes it is a mafia riding in the ass of the townie. But that can be deducted. Anyway. Can you do the % thing? Like this ↓ 1) Prplhz 75% 2) DCWasabi 75% 3) Skynx 50% 4) Lunaticman 60% 5) emperorchampion 0% 6) Rels 25% 7) sicklucker 60% 8) Gracaroni 0% 12) Koshi Maybe you are not mafia. ##unvote ##vote Prplhz + this, as mentionned already earlier today 2 checks, 2 people at 0%. It is super smart. It doesn't attract the attention, while giving info. Super super cool. (= I'm 99% sure those were his green checks. If he had a red check we would have known. The 1% chance is that he checked someone that was killed, but then I think he would have put only 1 person at 0% in this list. | ||
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On July 27 2016 19:39 Lunaticman wrote: I can tell you right now, I would have fought for SL with tooth and nail. i didn't really get a chance. The correct lynch is DC yesterday. Rels and Grac, I want you to specifically tell me if you think there was another mafia on the Grac train day 2. If you think there was Skynx should be lynched otherwise we should assume both me and skynx are town. I mean DC is the only one outside the town lynches day 2. It's just a risk not worth taking. And he only posts when his name is up. His lynches never take of. It doesn't work that way because there is always at least one scum between you / DC / Skynx, and all of you three were not on Tumble. You / Skynx were on Grac because you were here during the last hour; DC was AFK so that is why he was not on Grac; the Grac wagon hadn't formed when he voted and left the thread. | ||
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On July 26 2016 02:51 Koshi wrote: ec and skynx pff. it is possible I guess. This is the only post that is a little weird with a EC green check. It is his last post. But remember that the day got hammered for this lynch, so it's possible this was just to hide his check better and he wanted to post something else before the deadline, only to be silenced by the hammer. | ||
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On July 27 2016 19:57 Lunaticman wrote: If we assume EC and Grac are the cop checks because I think that's logical and smart. Can we put them in green in the day votes too please? Yeah I can do that. So in the same time I'll fix the D3 votes. | ||
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On July 27 2016 19:58 Skynx wrote: I'll hammer if you guys are fine with it, DC should be next. I'm ready to go lylo with Luna if all goes wrong. No I'm going back to work soon and I want time to think about who is the last scum. And more importantly I want EC to read your filter and give a read about it. He's the one that knows you the most. | ||
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With D3 votecount fixed and Koshi's cop checks colored! + Show Spoiler [Day 1 final votecount] + nnn_thekushmountains (6): DCWasabi(3): Rels, Rels (1): Kruppe the Eel(1): sicklucker(1):: nnn_thekushmountains Skynx(1): Kruppe the Eel, emperorchampion (0): Palmar(0): Lunaticman(0): + Show Spoiler [Day 2 final votecount] + Tumblewood (6): Rels, Grackaroni(4): Tumblewood, sicklucker, Skynx, Lunaticman Koshi (1): Skynx(0): Lunaticman(0): Rels (0): DCWasabi (0): sicklucker (0): + Show Spoiler [Day 3 final votecount] + sicklucker (5): DCWasabi, Koshi, Rels, Grackaroni, prplhz DCWasabi (2): Lunaticman (0): Not voting (2): Lunaticman, emperorchampion | ||
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On July 27 2016 20:05 Skynx wrote: Where did these cop checks came from lol On July 27 2016 00:13 emperorchampion wrote: Thinking about it on my walk here, I'm completely convinced that the team is lunaticman/prplhz. I can't believe that I didn't piece together that koshi was cop yesterday, especially when he was posting about everybody needing to do the reads thing, since I had the exact same thought at the end of day 2 that we all need to post reads in order to hide our cop in the future since silent nights. His day 1 check was grack (really good check btw lol), and I was probably his day 2 check (likely due to the last minute vote). I know his day 1 check was grack because after grack posted about only towny people voting for tumble (great post btw), koshi switched there as well. He put 2 people as 0% mafia on his last list, grack and I. I am writing this part first to convince you that I'm town and not trying to deceive you at all in this. We should treat both grack and I confirmed town here. The day 1 stuff with lunatic and tumble makes complete sense where tumble made his push on me and then lunatic was like "oh yeah I'm convinced", then "oh yeah he's town, but I'm still voting for him to put pressure", and tumble didn't call him out on it either (note: I didn't verify that tumble didn't call him out, but I'm pretty certain). Like if lunatic was town, that's sooo many good town points for jumping onto lunatic for some stupid posting. And there is no reason not too IF he is town, since a lynch is a lynch. One other thing, lunatic and tumble both do not seem like the type that would be likely to bus teammates. Other evidence is the "trap" stuff lunatic was posting about at the end of day 2, which was I guess just complete non-sense. Like start reading from here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511784-who-needs-72-hours-anyway?user=Koshi&page=12 Another thing I came across was the stuff from Kruppe, which I'll repost here: More evidence against prpl here. It honestly clicked like a puzzle or something on my walk here, I'm sure there is more evidence on prpl, but I'm totally convinced it's them at this point. On July 27 2016 01:40 Grackaroni wrote: This might have been the breadcrumb. I think he was the only one who was absolutely certain EC couldn't be mafia, at the very least. On July 27 2016 19:35 Rels wrote: Here Koshi says he read EC's filter "again". But he doesn't mention anything from his filter, just that he is confirmed not mafia. He does say "I'm not 100% sure", then in the same sentence "repeat after me: EC is not mafia". I think he was trying to make the check obvious in case he was killed, while hiding it as long as nobody knew he was cop. On July 27 2016 19:40 Rels wrote: + this, as mentionned already earlier today 2 checks, 2 people at 0%. It is super smart. It doesn't attract the attention, while giving info. Super super cool. (= I'm 99% sure those were his green checks. If he had a red check we would have known. The 1% chance is that he checked someone that was killed, but then I think he would have put only 1 person at 0% in this list. | ||
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On July 27 2016 20:06 Lunaticman wrote: I dont think the mafia would vote on the same player day 1. It's most likely DC/Skynx/Tumble or DC/Haze/Tumble using that logic. That is an OK point. Scum votes tend te be sprayed, and especially D1 there was no reason for them to vote together with kush clearly leading the votes. But the only team that eliminates is Tumble / DC / prp. | ||
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On July 27 2016 20:10 Skynx wrote: Man thats like pure speculation. But whatever they are both 100% town anyways. It is a little bit, but Koshi is a strong player. I assume he knows that as cop he's supposed to leave hints of his checks in case he's killed before he has a chance to claim, which is exactly what happened. So it is not random at all. | ||
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On July 28 2016 00:43 emperorchampion wrote: So we go prp -> dcw or dcw -> prp? Thoughts? DC is scummy on his own BUT if prp / dc is a team then prp decided to bus DC pretty early on. I don't know how likely it is. prp is 99% scum and should be lynched today. | ||
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On July 28 2016 00:57 Skynx wrote: I'll go hammer on your approval Rels btw. At least wait for emperor / Grac's final reads 'cause one of them is very likely to be the kill. In case I am the kill: I'd lynch Luna => DC in that order right now. | ||
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On July 28 2016 00:59 emperorchampion wrote: I'm going to be so sad if Rels + anyone is mafia ^^ it would be my best game ever played. | ||
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On July 29 2016 00:16 Grackaroni wrote: I think you definitely made the right call. Modkills should only be made if they're really absolutely necessary. It was pretty easy this game to not notice a hammer and make a mistake. ++ Thanks for hosting. The hammer time + silent nights were mafia favoured. The roles were town favored. So I think it was a pretty balanced game at the start. | ||
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On July 29 2016 00:34 disformation wrote: Always lynch Rels in Lylo/Mylo. Just sayin'. Please no ^^ | ||
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On July 29 2016 00:37 Lunaticman wrote: Grac won that game with using Koshis list. It was a very nice play. I'm just confused who the cop checks were. Yep pushing the idea that Grac / emperor were green checked was super great, both for getting Grac some towncred and justifying the emperor kills. But even without that we would have won pretty easily. | ||
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A lot of people played well but the scum team played a very, very good and clean game. We managed to get a lot of towncred from 1 member being bused, and managed to keep that towncred by never throwing shade at each other during the rest of the game. Tumble in particular pulled a GB. He played a pretty bad game at the beginning, got scumread for that pretty early on, but managed to make the bus look like a very natural thing and bought Grab and I a lot of cred. Very good play during D2. Grac's push on kush D1 was super good, it's hard to be a town leader as scum and Grac just took town by the hand after Kruppe claimed very naturally. Very strong play, kush was a perfect, perfect D1 lynch for scum: strong player that was AFK, no info gained at all. I managed to do that on sicklucker D3 too, and on prp D4. Overall we played very good. Grac also had a good read on Koshi being cop, roleblocking N2 and killing him N3. About what could town have done better: Lunatic, stop posting sometimes and just think. A mafia game is almost always not as simple as it looks. Your vote on DC at the end is a good example: this is LYLO with instant hammer, if you're wrong the game is lost instantly. There is nothing wrong with taking the full day to reread and talk about things. You obviously put a lot of effort in this game so I know it's hard to be crushed like that. I would recommand you to play a newbie game with a coach to improve. prp, you played a good game up until that sicklucker hammer. That was super retarded. When sicklucker left the thread he wasn't the lynch; when he got back he was lynched. It was a super good move for scum to hammer him early, before he could say anything. After that during D4 I understand that you were tired of being scumread all the time and just wanted out of this game. But there was a reason my case on you was super bad and I was the only one not talking about a 2 scum team and was only focusing on you: I was scum and I wanted you to be lynched so the game was over. You could have pressured me on it. DC, your posts weren't bad at all for a first game of mafia, but you just didn't have the time commitment to play an hard game. Like Lunatic, I would recommend playing a newbie game with a coach. Finally, Race Bannon. If you ever host again, take it seriously. A host should be invisible to the players and not give any info he has. It's easy to host slip, and you did when you quoted that Shape post from his QT where he called me "scummy". You introduced info to the game that wasn't suppose to be in it. You can joke around as a player, not as a host. I don't want you to ever host or cohost a game if you don't swear somewhere that you accept being banned from this website if you don't try to be a good host/cohost. I have nothing but praise to say to the rest. You all played well. Especially Skynx and emperor, you proved that you passed the newb stage. You two played a strong game, sometimes you lose even when playing as good as possible. You all played well. But the scum played better. ^^ | ||
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On July 29 2016 01:17 Lunaticman wrote: I think if town got DC instead of SL. I would have definetly gone for Rels after that. But most probable in that scenario would have been DC>Lunaticman>Haze because of town. Yeah Grac would never have been lynched before me or Skynx anyway. The only reason to suspect him was if he never got NK by the mafia. Yep that is why Grac and I pushed hardcore for a SL lynch. Lynch a strong player, keep DC alive for late game. It was not a random thing that SL got lynched D3. We forced town to lynch him. | ||
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On July 29 2016 20:12 marvellosity wrote: well done mafia, you deserved it the prplhz lynch is a total mystery to me though, any person taking just the slightest look at his past games would know he wasn't mafia Well it didn't help that he voted himself and stopped posting after emperor and I pushed him. But the game was over at that point anyway. After SL & Koshi died, we had full control to lynch who we wanted. And prp was the best lynch. | ||
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