On August 02 2016 03:45 Skynx wrote:
Welp i take that back, seems like Grack agrees with your points.
Welp i take that back, seems like Grack agrees with your points.
Yep. Which makes him scummy even more. Fine with both.
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On August 02 2016 03:45 Skynx wrote: Welp i take that back, seems like Grack agrees with your points. Yep. Which makes him scummy even more. Fine with both. | ||
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On August 02 2016 03:55 Grackaroni wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 03:55 beentheredonethat wrote: On August 02 2016 03:45 Skynx wrote: Welp i take that back, seems like Grack agrees with your points. Yep. Which makes him scummy even more. Fine with both. That doesn't make any sense. "Fine with both" means "Fine with Lunatic or Greck being the lynch." Elaborating: I agree with Skynx' posts on the "not tvtt" scenario. While he thinks its not so likely anymore (or at least that's how I interpret his post) I still think it holds up and you're the scum in the tvst scenario. Your posts are so lackluster in terms of actual content and I absolutely do not like that. Who are your top scum reads? Why? | ||
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On August 02 2016 04:01 Grackaroni wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 03:59 beentheredonethat wrote: On August 02 2016 03:55 Grackaroni wrote: On August 02 2016 03:55 beentheredonethat wrote: On August 02 2016 03:45 Skynx wrote: Welp i take that back, seems like Grack agrees with your points. Yep. Which makes him scummy even more. Fine with both. That doesn't make any sense. "Fine with both" means "Fine with Lunatic or Greck being the lynch." Elaborating: I agree with Skynx' posts on the "not tvtt" scenario. While he thinks its not so likely anymore (or at least that's how I interpret his post) I still think it holds up and you're the scum in the tvst scenario. Your posts are so lackluster in terms of actual content and I absolutely do not like that. Who are your top scum reads? Why? Yeah exactly. How does voting the person you think is scum make me "scummy even more." You misunderstood me. It makes you more scum to follow my opinion. Not him more scum to scumread you. | ||
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Bringing up Lunatic to not let him fall under the radar. Same goes for my point about moosy, he is not at all playing to the town meta I got to know. I like the general direction were facing although there was a mislynch. Besides kelsier, everyone keeps dropping enough thoughts to get a grip on in the later game stages. | ||
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I like Celestial a lot although his posting volume has dropped from D1 into a more lazy D2 so far. Town. Kelsier might very well be lurky scum. He voted, left the thread. No contribution at all. But as others pointed out already, also low-hanging mislynch fruit, so yeh, he needs to step up. MoosyDoosy. He played so shitty in the last game we had as town, totally yolo, and while I have techincally nothing that makes me think he's scum, I still have that weird gut feeling of "he's 180 degree changed since last game". J Roc. I think I completely disregarded this guy so far. So here we go. + Show Spoiler + On July 31 2016 20:31 J Roc wrote: Show nested quote + On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote: Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though. But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote: This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted. So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us. On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote: I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game ##vote Race Bannon See you all in a few days Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post. I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do. ##vote Kelsier SC This post. Spaming the thread doesnt help town in anyway. If anything it shuts down discussion because people dont want to deal with him. Normally I dont like policy lynches day one but here I dont mind the vote going on Bannon. Your problem is that someone posting shouldnt be voted. But when that person is doing nothing constructive and just posting nonsense it does nothing. So you reason for voting Kelsier is bad. While I dont like the fact that he said be back in a few days I had no problem with his vote and dont like your reason for voting him when he is putting pressure on someone who frankly needs pressure put on him. I think this is a town indicative post. At this point he could easily go for RB but states very clearly why it isn't necessarily a good idea. What is interesting is that he, contrary to me, absolutely dislikes scott's entrance: + Show Spoiler + On August 01 2016 20:30 J Roc wrote: Just something real quick and I will be back later. I really hated scotts entrance. Race Bannons actions completely null and the fact that he came in here saying he knew RB was town from a obs point of view is really off to me. Also the dude who wrote the huge post. You have pocketed me. Well played. Not voting you. Ill be back later. ##Vote: Scott He even votes him. + Show Spoiler + On August 02 2016 10:17 J Roc wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 02 2016 10:12 J Roc wrote: On August 02 2016 10:03 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 02 2016 10:02 J Roc wrote: On August 02 2016 09:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: I also actually don't mind this D1 lynch at all. Good work Rels. And if I may ask old buddy, what's your read on me? Was a bad lynch, we should have lynched Scott. Would you lynch me and Rels? Wouldn't lynch you at this point. Why would I? Rels needs to be looked at much harder because I disagreed with him on mderg but Scott is scum. scott is scum for his reasoning behind his posts? Or is there anything else? The fact that he just fucked off and let the train happen without doing anything else is really suspicious also. And keeps it up. On August 02 2016 10:28 J Roc wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 10:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also scott is very much correct. There was 100% a mafia or two on Race Bannon at one point or another. The opportunity was too easy to pass up especially since RB was really really low hanging fruit. He was so low, he was basically on the ground. And this is coming from me who uses that playstyle normally. Or Scott is mafia. And up. On August 02 2016 10:32 J Roc wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 10:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also scott is very much correct. There was 100% a mafia or two on Race Bannon at one point or another. The opportunity was too easy to pass up especially since RB was really really low hanging fruit. He was so low, he was basically on the ground. And this is coming from me who uses that playstyle normally. Like seriousness. Nothing race bannon did was alignment indicative, nothing. So you can't say he was low hanging fruit like he was confirmed town. He can play like that as either alignment. And up. Aaand finally: On August 03 2016 18:52 J Roc wrote: I wont be around much today... ##Vote Scott. I said there were scum on the mderg wagon. A vigi claimed and a vt flipped. We lynch scott 100% here today. The interesting thing here is that we had three people coming in and being very pushy: Scott, Rels, Roc. Rels is confirmed town, and Roc is going nuts on Scott. But I feel this is town vs. town here. The whole "scott couldn't be so sure in obs that rb is town" argument is weak imho. Having "wrong" thoughts or at least "unsure" opinions can happen, it's a guessing game. Of course this is not clearing scott but as long as there won't be more coming about scott I will not join the wagon that Jroc is trying to establish. Can't continue now for RL reasons, sorry. Will try to drop more stuff. For the time being, I'll join the Lunatic train. Good stuff going on there. ##vote LunaticMan Still, JRoc comes on my town pile. | ||
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On August 04 2016 00:54 kitaman27 wrote: Fyi this vote won't be counted since it was cast before day two officially began. Is that alignment indicative? Lunatic, why did you vote Rels before day two began? | ||
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Youre relucting to vote Lunatic or at least I take that from your wording. Why? Also, I feel like youre wrong on scott, he's in my town circle. He's fairly actice, pushy, and I can see where most of his reads come from. I actually let go of my town lean of you. If Lunatic flips red, I can easily see you bussing here to gain towncred. I am also a bit paranoid about a scott, you and lunatic team but for now the only reason to add Scott to that list is the pterequisite that you are scum, so its highly associative. Makes sense though. I am still having headaches from MoosyDoosy, too. But yeah. This day should end with a Lunatic lynch. If Kelsier survives the night, He should be the lynch next day. We'll most likely loose Rels as uncced vig though so Kelsier surviving should be NAI... but yeah hes not contributing at all although he WAS in the thread. | ||
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On August 05 2016 02:55 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2016 02:45 beentheredonethat wrote: Youre relucting to vote Lunatic or at least I take that from your wording. Why? Also, I feel like youre wrong on scott, he's in my town circle. He's fairly actice, pushy, and I can see where most of his reads come from. I actually let go of my town lean of you. If Lunatic flips red, I can easily see you bussing here to gain towncred. I am also a bit paranoid about a scott, you and lunatic team but for now the only reason to add Scott to that list is the pterequisite that you are scum, so its highly associative. I don't get how scott goes from "in my town circle" to "in my Lunatic's likely partners". Thats why I said highly associative. If lunatic plus celestial are scum, I can see Scott scum. Last sentence of my post says "only reason to put him on that List", thought that makes my stance clear. | ||
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On August 05 2016 03:25 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2016 03:16 beentheredonethat wrote: On August 05 2016 02:55 Rels wrote: On August 05 2016 02:45 beentheredonethat wrote: Youre relucting to vote Lunatic or at least I take that from your wording. Why? Also, I feel like youre wrong on scott, he's in my town circle. He's fairly actice, pushy, and I can see where most of his reads come from. I actually let go of my town lean of you. If Lunatic flips red, I can easily see you bussing here to gain towncred. I am also a bit paranoid about a scott, you and lunatic team but for now the only reason to add Scott to that list is the pterequisite that you are scum, so its highly associative. I don't get how scott goes from "in my town circle" to "in my Lunatic's likely partners". Thats why I said highly associative. If lunatic plus celestial are scum, I can see Scott scum. Last sentence of my post says "only reason to put him on that List", thought that makes my stance clear. Well who are you your two most liekly scums ? Cause it seemed like it was Lunatic + Celestial Lunatic. Celestial in my paranoid world. | ||
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On August 05 2016 03:25 MoosyDoosy wrote: But I'm super darn sure btdt flips scum. Where does that come from Oo | ||
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On August 05 2016 21:27 -Celestial- wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2016 17:15 beentheredonethat wrote: You guys believe a cc with shitty reasoning This pretty much outs you here. Its not so much anyone 'believed' so much as mechanically the best play there was to lynch KSC, then lynch Lunatic. KSC had done nothing all game. Lunatic's claim came off the back of actually doing stuff. Either way you're lynching one then the other if the first doesn't flip red. I already pointed out how super weird your last post was. The problem is that now town can't lynch me for the confirmation to kill you and probably scott, which is a huge pain. scott really has done absolutely nothing of value all game but you love the guy. Actually on reflection I'd maybe prefer a scott lynch first. But there's plenty of time to think on it because tomorrow we're lynching Lunatic so its at least like...five days before we lynch anyone else. Plenty of time to re-dive everyone. I am not exactly understanding why I am "outed" here. The best play would have been to lynch the obviously fake counter claim. Let me bring up the fact that I pushed Lunatic D1. Brought him up to people's attention N1. That I was the third to vote him and thus was the (imho) initial vote that got the wagon running. Keep in mind that my stance was that Kelsier should be today's lynch BEFORE the wagon had finally formed. You are following thread sentiment. You contributed nothing D2 except for a huge but redundant post on the already formed wagon which can very easily be used as a big excuse for you bussing a teammate. "Lunatic's claim came off the back of actually doing stuff". You are contradicting yourself here. You pointed out, as others did before you, that most of Lunatic's stuff was actually empty, half-hearted, and scum-indicative. Why do you throw away all those points that you brought up before and say now that "he was actually doing stuff"? What exactly was he doing besides claiming medic? Lunatic claimed medic for one purpose only: to avert his lynch and to get another blue role lynched. And you insist that he actually was doing something? That is a plain lie that strongly speaks for you being Lunatic's team member. As I pointed out before, you were reluctant to vote him ALTHOUGH you made a huge post on him. You should be the next lynch right after. This is your very first post about pretty much everyone (#281) : Lunaticman - Thing about lynching Grac because of a previous game is NAI as far as I'm concerned. Just salt. Don't particularly like the assumption of Race being town based on the spamming but honestly I don't think it even matters. It was just a massive disruption to the game all told. This line indicates to me that they're not on the mafia team together: So even if he has good reads we will not be able to take anything productive from it. Even though this is perfectly true it's not something I think you would say about a fellow mafia member so early on. You wouldn't want to undermine their credibility (even if Race was doing a more than good enough job doing that himself). This isn't to say that Lunatic or Race/scott isn't mafia, but a Lunatic/(Race/scott)/x team is unlikely in my eyes based on that post alone, which is a potentially useful bit of information going forward. I actually really like Lunatic's reply to Skynx: It feels like you are also sceptical of Grac, I don't know if I will be able to trust him. Also I think he is playing similar to last game so far. I don't know if that is good or bad. The big difference is that he is contributing "more" atm so that should indicate he is towny? Lunatic is town leaning a little from this in my eyes (unless we want to go tinfoil hat and assume they're both mafia and are playing a VERY aggressive game together). If they're both mafia then he doesn't do this so early because you're starting to put yourself too close to a teammate too early on before anyone is being townread and before you see where the game is going. If Lunatic is mafia and Skynx isn't then I think you be a bit more buddy-buddy about the "hey we agree on this!" thing. Questioning Grack about that kinda weird thing on Race is good. From there on seems to be asking genuinely useful probing questions. Trying to get a game going despite everything that's happened. All good stuff. The first thing you do is to paint a "Lunatic and RB do not have the same alignment" picture. You do not follow up on this, instead you directly start to build a town read about Lunatic. He also is the very first person for you to get into. Who are the most present people in your mind when you're scum and it's D1? Right, your teammates, because you know their alignments and you talk to them in QT. So why not start with that guy, it doesn't even have to be a concious decision. Celestial is creating a town read on Lunatic for reasons that are very vague and feel highly constructed. This is the first indicator that those guys are in the same team. Another thing is: you absolutely dislike Scott and don't like my townread on him. How does that go together with scott's harsh thread entry that was basically consisting of pushing me? If Scott is scum (and I am scum in your world), how does it makes sense that he is so pushy D1 on me although there is literally no need to do so? On August 01 2016 12:45 -Celestial- wrote: Still not managed to get to bed yet and its approaching 5. I'm going to just drop off at my desk. But I wanted to reply here anyway. Show nested quote + On August 01 2016 12:11 Lunaticman wrote: First I just want to say what an incredible post, I love it! Also no mafia would ever write a post that is so coherent so you are the best town lean in the game for me atm. Tbh I didnt even realize rels was in the game, my god bring out another salt shacker for me lol. Yeah also I think I misunderstood the term bussing, I think I was thinking of like a train? When someone stacks votes on a player. I dont know the proper terminology for it. Be back in a couple of hours from work. Thank you, but be careful. Make sure you're reading through what I've said and check that my train of thought makes sense to you before you townread me for it. I won't say its 'easy' (because that damn thing took between one to two hours to write) but its a very 'simple' thing for a scum to simply write a huge post and then hide behind it. Trust nobody until you've decided they're town from what they've actually said, not just from posting a lot of stuff that reads nicely. I'll be asking myself some very searching questions later on, believe me. (Kudos to whoever gets that reference.) Here's a useful summary of bussing: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bussing I think you might be thinking of bandwagonning? Show nested quote + On August 01 2016 12:22 scott31337 wrote: I only added the people who actually voted for me - There was a vote in the main thread for Race that was not in the voting thread I didn't count either. I was looking more at who pulled the trigger to do so. And BTDT looks the worst out of those four. Fair enough, I thought it might be something like that. More interaction with Lunatic. But it's only about explaining Bussing. It's of course very good to remind a player to "carefully read into me, because I could be lying". This is a very interesting interaction because it is seemingly helping each other out while in reality, it is a process of putting Lunatic in a position as a full newbie. That way, town will of course be hesistant to lynch him, and will read his posts with a mindset of "that guy is new, he might be bad not scum". That feels exactly like a move that a more experienced player would make. Celestial is a more experienced player. Can we expect a replacement or a modkill for Rels if he doesn't turn up at all for the entire day? What is this question. The answer is in the rules. Why is the interest in Rels' consequences so high? Easily explained. Celestial as an experienced mafia player knows that Rels is one of the best players in this game and knows that he is town. So he tries to find out if he's getting modkilled so they don't have to waste a kill and can plan accordingly. I don't see any purpose in this question besides that one. Scum doesn't know if Rels is going to get MK'ed at day end or night end. Hm. I'm not too convinced of that theory by myself but still, I'm letting it here for you guys to discuss. On August 02 2016 04:39 -Celestial- wrote: Honestly...sod it. I don't like silent's posts in the thread so far and he's nowhere to be seen. I don't want to get in trouble for not voting at all so for now (and in case I don't get time to come back on later) I'm parking my vote there. If nothing else it dials up the pressure on him to actually post something more. ##Vote: silentwarrior On August 02 2016 04:40 -Celestial- wrote: Please note I am very open to changing here. I just got nothing better right now and I'll be damned if I'll get in trouble for not voting when its mandatory... "Hello guys, I cast my vote but I am fine to not vote my scum read so yeah go ahead". This is a very weak statement. If you are convinced your vote is scum, you vote. If someone else comes with a better/stronger case that you like more, you vote someone else. But saying "Hey, I don't like him, here's my vote but I only do it because I must" is scum indicative. Any townie can wait until the very deadline to cast his vote. The vote can be used to pressure people. But this is a very open "hey, just parking it here, don't worry, no harsh feelings". Makes no sense at all, and Celestial appeared very reasonable in his long posts, so why suddenly change that behaviour? Afraid of no townie wagon forming? On August 02 2016 04:43 -Celestial- wrote: Also at this rate any VCA is going to be utterly useless...especially if the lynch ends up being scott. -_- What a weird post. You repeatedly scumleaned/read scott. But you're not fine to have a scott lynch because "VCA will be useless"? Can you please show me your VCA? Because you imply that a lynch that is not scott would make up for decent VCA. Also note how at this point, Lunatic has completely dropped under the radar for Celestial, he's not commiting to any more posts regarding scum lunatic. On August 02 2016 06:35 -Celestial- wrote: I'm kinda open to being convinced on mderg honestly. I don't like the silent vote as much as I did before his last post (though his silence through this game has been deafening). And if I shift I think that switches the vote off scott, who I really don't want to see lynched D1. And I don't think its likely other trains will get going at this point unless someone picks up on something really blatant. Can anyone provide a concise, clear, convincing argument to switch right now? And boom, joining the mislynch wagon and abandoning the silent vote. Of course, he knows it's town, so he can be "kinda open to being convinced". This part of the sentence is highly interesting. It implies that the decision to lynch mderg is not his own but a decision that someone else made him to take. Also, how do you not want scott to be lynched if you keep saying . On August 02 2016 09:48 -Celestial- wrote: BTW: Almost definitely at least one mafia in there as far as I'm concerned. I'll have to look through the votes and vote switches properly. But no way can I see no mafia on that wagon. What happened to this? Huh? | ||
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August 08 2016 08:12 GMT
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Next: I have pushed Lunatic since day 1, had Moosy under suspicion and raised that multiple times for his meta change, and I got pushed by Moosy over D2. Whoever is now going to lynch me should be the next person to hang. We have multiple mislynches now so I guess it's okay if I take one for the team but it's not exactly a situation I desire to be in. I think we all should re-evaluate every single person on the list: silentwarrior beentheredonethat scott J Roc Skynx Celestial Silentwarrior I feel like silent has the lowest chance of everyone excluding me to not flip red. While his initial scumread was wrong (Stutters), I could see where he came from and he established a good case around his initial vote. What makes him more town in my eyes is that he not only explained his vote but also gave insights on how he established reads on other players, including celestial, me, and kelsier. While I interpreted RB spam as scum indicative (which was a huge mistake on my part, as I admitted D1), he basically made the same mistake but in the other direction, townreading RB/Scott - but he also admitted that he was wrong. Also, there's his townread on scott: On scott however I think he is town. His entry post to me seems very town-like. He immedietly accuses 4 people of scum. Which is basically the same reasoning that I had for townreading scott all game. The bad thing is that scott stopped participating in this game basically. That can be lurky scum, or disappointment in the game's general direction. The latter should be NAI and can be felt as any alignment. I do not know enough about scott's meta to be able to judge him but as of now, I expect him to come back to the game and step up again. Back to silent, I'll come to scott later. Silentwarrior does not only cast his vote but he also continues to ask questions towards Stutters which I really like: + Show Spoiler + On August 02 2016 07:02 silentwarrior wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 06:34 Stutters695 wrote: I was fine with a plynch, now I'll vote for one of silent/mderg(pending a re-read of his filter). Silent's entire comeback post is a summary except his "case" on me. His "case" shows either a complete lack of following the thread (it was incredibly obvious my vote was for a plynch, as well as C's) or, more maliciously, intentional misrepresentation. Either way, that isn't going to cut it after disappearing for so long. How was your vote on me a policy lynch? For that matter, how am I supposed to know it's a policy lynch when you write no arguments or anything to back up your vote? Celestial posted arguments and thouthts about me before voting, even if I disagree about them. On August 02 2016 07:05 silentwarrior wrote: Rels, what's your take on stutters and my case about him? I read yours on mderg and agree with most of what you wrote, but Stutter's is so blatantly mafia. Also, can others also comment on it? I will not spoiler this post: On August 02 2016 07:22 silentwarrior wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 07:16 -Celestial- wrote: On August 02 2016 07:05 silentwarrior wrote: Rels, what's your take on stutters and my case about him? I read yours on mderg and agree with most of what you wrote, but Stutter's is so blatantly mafia. Also, can others also comment on it? If we leave aside the fact I think you're kinda scummy...honestly you have a bit of a point that he's not really said much about you. In a normal game I'd say it was very weird but given the rock-bottom activity level its significantly harder to read. That being said I don't think its out of line where he said about lynching a lurker and then voted you. You weren't in thread for ages at that point. You were lurking. After throwing out a few scummy posts throwing probably-undeserved shade on KSC. It wasn't a great look for you. That's not the thing that sticks out about the vote. It's that he dosen't mention me at all, then without much explanation votes for me, quoted your vote only 4 minutes after you posted it. Didn't say anything at all himself. Also, you can't still think it's still undeserved shade at KSC? He was in thread not too long ago and still didn't contribute. I'd say some of that shade is pretty deserved by now. Celestial does not agree with the read and also scumleans Silent at this point. However the discussion that is going on feels absolutely genuine. What I do not understand though is the sudden switch (it comes directly after without any explanation) to mderg: On August 02 2016 07:40 silentwarrior wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 07:36 -Celestial- wrote: On August 02 2016 07:35 Grackaroni wrote: On August 02 2016 06:03 Rels wrote: Scum team is very likely to be in this pool: mderg Celestial / KSC / Stutters BTDT I'm seeing a lot of squirming within Rels' scum reads between celestial and stutters, so I would beg town to follow through on this mderg lynch. If you think I'm scum, shenanie onto me right now. Because this game is silly as hell. Incidentally, mderg just transferred the kill vote to himself I think. Though an updated count would be great to confirm. Rules say most recent, so he was set from before his change. I think im the one that's set now. Im gonna vote mderg for that reason. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mderg Which is a shennanie. I'm not too sure if I can draw any alignment from this vote and silent might be scum switching between town - but I don't really believe it. However this is the only thing that sticks out from his rather straight thought process and thread evaluation so it's definitely worth to be mentioned. That's D1 so far. D2 starts with a Case on Lunatic which, among my pressure from D1, is one of the reasons to start a Lunatic train. Which (to me) basically clears Silent; On August 03 2016 20:07 silentwarrior wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2016 20:00 Skynx wrote: On August 03 2016 19:29 Rels wrote: On August 03 2016 17:13 Skynx wrote: Nice shit, after like 4 people saying how vigclaim is not the play here I've been thinking about it and I think this is a really scummy reaction. In Skynx' mind, before the claim, I was the most likely scum in the game. The lynch today was basically me or silent, according to his list during the night. So me claiming is a fucking GOOD thing for him, as it makes him re evaluate and should push him in the right path instead of wasting time scumreading me. But Skynx' reaction is the opposite. He is not happy with my claim because "this is not what we decided to do". This makes little sense when he should be happy that a claim showed him at least one of his read was wrong. I would agree that Celestial claiming would be a fucking waste for him: but me, a strong scumread, claiming should be nice for him. I've been thinking about it and I think this is a really scummy reaction. If you're actually vigi, claiming before next EoN would make your claim undeniable, not right now. What is pushing the "right" part in your opinion here? Grack flipped green so it clears Silent? You are confirmed town so only lynch now is Scott? No, only lynch for me is lunatic. Also, claiming vig is the best thing for town right now. We get a confirmed town and we also might have a doctor, who will most likely protect Rels now. This is a very good position for town right now. Then the Kelsier claim situation happens and I think this one here: On August 05 2016 07:12 silentwarrior wrote: Is KelsierSC going to recieve any punishment for his complete lack of activity and general apathy towards this game? I feel it is only right that he does, he displayed zero interest in this game and has seriosly but a damper in it. Is basically one big yell of "Kelsier is ruining us the fucking game, punish him for that". On August 06 2016 07:59 silentwarrior wrote: Ok, so the main reason I post this is something some of you may not like, and will probably call me tinfoil for saying it. But it needs to be said. First, let me say that I have had suspicoin of this since N1, but have kept silent about it since I was more focused on lunatic at the time and couldn't afford to derail that. I have 3 people in my scumlist in descending order of "scuminess". Lunatic, Moosy and Celestial. The thing that drew me to celestial at first was the fact that he survived N1. It was so strange to be honest. If you compare Stutters and Celestial, he was the obvious person to kill, not stutters. The only reason I can see that stutters was killed was to cast suspicon on the people who were against him. This was primarily me and grack as well I think. The plan obviosly failed when Grac was killed as well, but before that mafia set things up in preparation for stutters death. First, Moosy along with Celestial pulled up that bullshit VCA. Moosy seems like he would go for that sort of thing, but celestial suprised me by actually saying he liked it. What's more, he completely ignored the explanations we had that supported our views, even when it was stutters saying them. Celestial has made the biggest posts with the most analysis, but he barely even bothered to even think about the voting pattern more than a passing "eh, seems alright". Show nested quote + On August 03 2016 07:58 -Celestial- wrote: Lunaticman - Stuff early on seemed pretty town-based. He was doing the right things and didn't do anything that raised any series red flags. I didn't like the fawning over me too much to be honest. Felt like he was trying to buddy up and pocket me but eh. I feel like the push to lynch Rels whilst he was inactive was a total waste but based on the comment about how Rels dodged five town lynches by being inactive in a previous game its forgivable; and I don't think someone wanting to look to lynch inactive mafia is unreasonable given how horribly inactive this game was for a long time. I wasn't entirely on board with his feelings about RB and scott but I do understand where his opinion is coming from so that's alright. Voting Rels is NAI at that point. Post-flip list is alright (though I'm really never a fan of people including themselves in lists of town aligned people; anyone can do it and it comes across to me as a blatant attempt at a psychological manipulation tactic of "doesn't my name look good next to these townies?") but nothing special. I'm still not liking his feeling on Scott though. The stuff with Grac and Rels is alright; I don't think there absolutely HAS to be mafia between Rels/Grac but there almost certainly is. I disagree with his latest point on Rels, in fact I think the way Rels went about it (i.e. completely full-on) is one of the few saving graces for Rels. Townlean. Okay done. Just in time before the deadline. He also had a strong townlean on lunatic for no apparent reason. He did a filterdive of lunatic same time as me, and mentions some the things we now know makes lunatic scum. But he not only ignores some of those, he even makes excuses for them. Worse, he misses some of the huge red flags in lunatics filter, even though it was probably the shortest filter with the most scummy things. And then, when me and 3 others vote for lunatic he comes in and changes his mind? I'm sorry, I just don't believe that. We know mafia tried to bus Lunatic when it looked like he was dying. Also, in the same big post as quted above, he has the now confirmed townies (Rels, Grack, Kelsier, Silent) as mafia reads, while the ones that are more questionable much higher up. The only townie he has in town is stutters. But thing is, mafia knew he was gonna die that night, so ofcourse he was gonna be high on the list. I know most of you all see him as town, and it's no doubt that he has posted the most. But I just want to make sure we consider everything. I might be wrong on celestial, and I certainly won't lynch him before Moosy and Lunatic, but I would definetly consider it. And then, this. I highly appreciate this post. I had my own tinfoil thoughts as I said in my previous posts about the pattern of scott/lunatic that Celestial is posting. I think this post is very well thought out and summarizes another aspect of my paranoia about Celestial's alignment (note, solely based on activity level, I'd easily townread him!). I'll stop here. Silent is locked town for me. | ||
beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
August 08 2016 08:21 GMT
#1099
The most active player with the biggest filter with the hugest cases. That should be an easy townread. But I said I want to re-evaluate. My initial stance (or, my most up to date read) : On August 05 2016 02:45 beentheredonethat wrote: Having read your post, I find it highly interesting that you get me into a connection with Lunatic, given that I voted him D1 and didnt stop to bring him up to people's conciousness again and again. Youre relucting to vote Lunatic or at least I take that from your wording. Why? Also, I feel like youre wrong on scott, he's in my town circle. He's fairly actice, pushy, and I can see where most of his reads come from. I actually let go of my town lean of you. If Lunatic flips red, I can easily see you bussing here to gain towncred. I am also a bit paranoid about a scott, you and lunatic team but for now the only reason to add Scott to that list is the pterequisite that you are scum, so its highly associative. Makes sense though. I am still having headaches from MoosyDoosy, too. But yeah. This day should end with a Lunatic lynch. If Kelsier survives the night, He should be the lynch next day. We'll most likely loose Rels as uncced vig though so Kelsier surviving should be NAI... but yeah hes not contributing at all although he WAS in the thread. Then, more of it: On August 05 2016 21:59 beentheredonethat wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2016 21:27 -Celestial- wrote: On August 05 2016 17:15 beentheredonethat wrote: You guys believe a cc with shitty reasoning This pretty much outs you here. Its not so much anyone 'believed' so much as mechanically the best play there was to lynch KSC, then lynch Lunatic. KSC had done nothing all game. Lunatic's claim came off the back of actually doing stuff. Either way you're lynching one then the other if the first doesn't flip red. I already pointed out how super weird your last post was. The problem is that now town can't lynch me for the confirmation to kill you and probably scott, which is a huge pain. scott really has done absolutely nothing of value all game but you love the guy. Actually on reflection I'd maybe prefer a scott lynch first. But there's plenty of time to think on it because tomorrow we're lynching Lunatic so its at least like...five days before we lynch anyone else. Plenty of time to re-dive everyone. I am not exactly understanding why I am "outed" here. The best play would have been to lynch the obviously fake counter claim. Let me bring up the fact that I pushed Lunatic D1. Brought him up to people's attention N1. That I was the third to vote him and thus was the (imho) initial vote that got the wagon running. Keep in mind that my stance was that Kelsier should be today's lynch BEFORE the wagon had finally formed. You are following thread sentiment. You contributed nothing D2 except for a huge but redundant post on the already formed wagon which can very easily be used as a big excuse for you bussing a teammate. "Lunatic's claim came off the back of actually doing stuff". You are contradicting yourself here. You pointed out, as others did before you, that most of Lunatic's stuff was actually empty, half-hearted, and scum-indicative. Why do you throw away all those points that you brought up before and say now that "he was actually doing stuff"? What exactly was he doing besides claiming medic? Lunatic claimed medic for one purpose only: to avert his lynch and to get another blue role lynched. And you insist that he actually was doing something? That is a plain lie that strongly speaks for you being Lunatic's team member. As I pointed out before, you were reluctant to vote him ALTHOUGH you made a huge post on him. You should be the next lynch right after. This is your very first post about pretty much everyone (#281) : Show nested quote + Lunaticman - Thing about lynching Grac because of a previous game is NAI as far as I'm concerned. Just salt. Don't particularly like the assumption of Race being town based on the spamming but honestly I don't think it even matters. It was just a massive disruption to the game all told. This line indicates to me that they're not on the mafia team together: So even if he has good reads we will not be able to take anything productive from it. Even though this is perfectly true it's not something I think you would say about a fellow mafia member so early on. You wouldn't want to undermine their credibility (even if Race was doing a more than good enough job doing that himself). This isn't to say that Lunatic or Race/scott isn't mafia, but a Lunatic/(Race/scott)/x team is unlikely in my eyes based on that post alone, which is a potentially useful bit of information going forward. I actually really like Lunatic's reply to Skynx: It feels like you are also sceptical of Grac, I don't know if I will be able to trust him. Also I think he is playing similar to last game so far. I don't know if that is good or bad. The big difference is that he is contributing "more" atm so that should indicate he is towny? Lunatic is town leaning a little from this in my eyes (unless we want to go tinfoil hat and assume they're both mafia and are playing a VERY aggressive game together). If they're both mafia then he doesn't do this so early because you're starting to put yourself too close to a teammate too early on before anyone is being townread and before you see where the game is going. If Lunatic is mafia and Skynx isn't then I think you be a bit more buddy-buddy about the "hey we agree on this!" thing. Questioning Grack about that kinda weird thing on Race is good. From there on seems to be asking genuinely useful probing questions. Trying to get a game going despite everything that's happened. All good stuff. The first thing you do is to paint a "Lunatic and RB do not have the same alignment" picture. You do not follow up on this, instead you directly start to build a town read about Lunatic. He also is the very first person for you to get into. Who are the most present people in your mind when you're scum and it's D1? Right, your teammates, because you know their alignments and you talk to them in QT. So why not start with that guy, it doesn't even have to be a concious decision. Celestial is creating a town read on Lunatic for reasons that are very vague and feel highly constructed. This is the first indicator that those guys are in the same team. Another thing is: you absolutely dislike Scott and don't like my townread on him. How does that go together with scott's harsh thread entry that was basically consisting of pushing me? If Scott is scum (and I am scum in your world), how does it makes sense that he is so pushy D1 on me although there is literally no need to do so? Show nested quote + On August 01 2016 12:45 -Celestial- wrote: Still not managed to get to bed yet and its approaching 5. I'm going to just drop off at my desk. But I wanted to reply here anyway. On August 01 2016 12:11 Lunaticman wrote: First I just want to say what an incredible post, I love it! Also no mafia would ever write a post that is so coherent so you are the best town lean in the game for me atm. Tbh I didnt even realize rels was in the game, my god bring out another salt shacker for me lol. Yeah also I think I misunderstood the term bussing, I think I was thinking of like a train? When someone stacks votes on a player. I dont know the proper terminology for it. Be back in a couple of hours from work. Thank you, but be careful. Make sure you're reading through what I've said and check that my train of thought makes sense to you before you townread me for it. I won't say its 'easy' (because that damn thing took between one to two hours to write) but its a very 'simple' thing for a scum to simply write a huge post and then hide behind it. Trust nobody until you've decided they're town from what they've actually said, not just from posting a lot of stuff that reads nicely. I'll be asking myself some very searching questions later on, believe me. (Kudos to whoever gets that reference.) Here's a useful summary of bussing: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bussing I think you might be thinking of bandwagonning? On August 01 2016 12:22 scott31337 wrote: I only added the people who actually voted for me - There was a vote in the main thread for Race that was not in the voting thread I didn't count either. I was looking more at who pulled the trigger to do so. And BTDT looks the worst out of those four. Fair enough, I thought it might be something like that. More interaction with Lunatic. But it's only about explaining Bussing. It's of course very good to remind a player to "carefully read into me, because I could be lying". This is a very interesting interaction because it is seemingly helping each other out while in reality, it is a process of putting Lunatic in a position as a full newbie. That way, town will of course be hesistant to lynch him, and will read his posts with a mindset of "that guy is new, he might be bad not scum". That feels exactly like a move that a more experienced player would make. Celestial is a more experienced player. Show nested quote + Can we expect a replacement or a modkill for Rels if he doesn't turn up at all for the entire day? What is this question. The answer is in the rules. Why is the interest in Rels' consequences so high? Easily explained. Celestial as an experienced mafia player knows that Rels is one of the best players in this game and knows that he is town. So he tries to find out if he's getting modkilled so they don't have to waste a kill and can plan accordingly. I don't see any purpose in this question besides that one. Scum doesn't know if Rels is going to get MK'ed at day end or night end. Hm. I'm not too convinced of that theory by myself but still, I'm letting it here for you guys to discuss. Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 04:39 -Celestial- wrote: Honestly...sod it. I don't like silent's posts in the thread so far and he's nowhere to be seen. I don't want to get in trouble for not voting at all so for now (and in case I don't get time to come back on later) I'm parking my vote there. If nothing else it dials up the pressure on him to actually post something more. ##Vote: silentwarrior Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 04:40 -Celestial- wrote: Please note I am very open to changing here. I just got nothing better right now and I'll be damned if I'll get in trouble for not voting when its mandatory... "Hello guys, I cast my vote but I am fine to not vote my scum read so yeah go ahead". This is a very weak statement. If you are convinced your vote is scum, you vote. If someone else comes with a better/stronger case that you like more, you vote someone else. But saying "Hey, I don't like him, here's my vote but I only do it because I must" is scum indicative. Any townie can wait until the very deadline to cast his vote. The vote can be used to pressure people. But this is a very open "hey, just parking it here, don't worry, no harsh feelings". Makes no sense at all, and Celestial appeared very reasonable in his long posts, so why suddenly change that behaviour? Afraid of no townie wagon forming? Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 04:43 -Celestial- wrote: Also at this rate any VCA is going to be utterly useless...especially if the lynch ends up being scott. -_- What a weird post. You repeatedly scumleaned/read scott. But you're not fine to have a scott lynch because "VCA will be useless"? Can you please show me your VCA? Because you imply that a lynch that is not scott would make up for decent VCA. Also note how at this point, Lunatic has completely dropped under the radar for Celestial, he's not commiting to any more posts regarding scum lunatic. Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 06:35 -Celestial- wrote: I'm kinda open to being convinced on mderg honestly. I don't like the silent vote as much as I did before his last post (though his silence through this game has been deafening). And if I shift I think that switches the vote off scott, who I really don't want to see lynched D1. And I don't think its likely other trains will get going at this point unless someone picks up on something really blatant. Can anyone provide a concise, clear, convincing argument to switch right now? And boom, joining the mislynch wagon and abandoning the silent vote. Of course, he knows it's town, so he can be "kinda open to being convinced". This part of the sentence is highly interesting. It implies that the decision to lynch mderg is not his own but a decision that someone else made him to take. Also, how do you not want scott to be lynched if you keep saying . Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 09:48 -Celestial- wrote: BTW: mderg (4): scott31337, Rels, Grackaroni, Slientwarrior Almost definitely at least one mafia in there as far as I'm concerned. I'll have to look through the votes and vote switches properly. But no way can I see no mafia on that wagon. What happened to this? Huh? Having dived his 9 page filter, there's just too much to not start again and again thinking "this guy's town". I tried to find some words and picked up some stuff from Celestial's filter but the truth is that I really feel like my scum lean on Celestial has lost a lot of substance. While I don't think I'm wrong on what I am saying, my findings, as mentioned in the two posts I quoted, are highly situational and could as well apply to a town as a scum player. Long story short, if Celestial is indeed scum (and I am still somewhat paranoid about it), he deserves to live through three or four more mislynches and win the game. I am not going to lynch the most active player in the game, it just feels like a bad decision. Still, I would like you guys to read through the posts I quoted from myself and drop opinions about them! | ||
beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
August 08 2016 08:34 GMT
#1100
Here's what he does in his 2 (Oo... didn't realize that, felt he was way more active) page filter: hard scumreads me for my "Race Bannon" agrees with silentwarriors early post on Kelsier's inactivity and that it's scum indicative gives "town point" to J Roc for also finding my "Race Bannon" quotes Celestial's huge read post to add two lines to it saying "Btdt is the worst of those that voted for RB" nulls MoosyDoosy after being explicitely asked for a read of him - by MoosyDoosy calls out mderg for not liking scott's posts, asks him to elaborate adds lunaticman and moosy to his "would not lynch" list for no considerate reason has a "null" list that is not featuring moosy although he explicitely said that Moosy is a null for him, he town lists him his "would lynch" list has two townies: me and mderg on it and nothing else J Roc is on his town list because of "the posts I did about him" while it is only one post where he talks about J Roc, and that post is the "BTDT on RB is scummy", follows up when he's asked about it and actually likes that J Roc votes Scott. Then, he settles on mderg, asks others to drop reads on him, keeps thread focused on mderg. On August 03 2016 14:08 scott31337 wrote: We got into a car accident today buying another vehicle (fucking my luck right? We're out of the hospital now but my brain isn't playing mafia tonight - it checked out a few hours ago. I took the day off work tomorrow so I'll read over then and give my thoughts. And this is pretty much where it ends. I will consider scott as a lynch candidate for the next days but I'm fairly certain we should give him the possibility to come back and play the game when this night is over. Shouldn't be next day's lynch (but don't nail me on that) but if nothing changes, I prefer to not have him in MYLO/LYLO or whatever it is. | ||
beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
August 08 2016 08:55 GMT
#1102
His day 1 posting pattern is really weird. Lot's of fluff ("I am blue"), early, unreasoned vote on Stutters ("Happy Birthday")... On July 31 2016 17:23 J Roc wrote: Show nested quote + On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote: This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted. something reasonable On July 31 2016 17:00 J Roc wrote: Show nested quote + On July 31 2016 16:48 mderg wrote: Easy game, J Roc, Grackaroni and Race Bannon are the dirty scummers. Next game pls. RIP. Thought first post meant you were confirmed town on this site. Guess thats only true if you get a role PM. But he drops that style at the point where silentwarrior comes up with his Kelsier read. On July 31 2016 20:31 J Roc wrote: Show nested quote + On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote: Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though. But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote: This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted. So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us. On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote: I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game ##vote Race Bannon See you all in a few days Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post. I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do. ##vote Kelsier SC This post. Spaming the thread doesnt help town in anyway. If anything it shuts down discussion because people dont want to deal with him. Normally I dont like policy lynches day one but here I dont mind the vote going on Bannon. Your problem is that someone posting shouldnt be voted. But when that person is doing nothing constructive and just posting nonsense it does nothing. So you reason for voting Kelsier is bad. While I dont like the fact that he said be back in a few days I had no problem with his vote and dont like your reason for voting him when he is putting pressure on someone who frankly needs pressure put on him. I think anyone would agree with Silentwarrior there but what I find highly interesting is that J Roc completely disagrees with what Silent said about Kelsier. Why? I think silent's point there are really good. The thing is however that kelsier flipped town so there's no way that his is mafia soft defending an inactive teammate. But what I can see there is that J Roc is defending a vote on RB. RB would've been an easy mislynch for scum had he continued his spam. Next thing that is weird is the vote on scott: On August 01 2016 20:30 J Roc wrote: Just something real quick and I will be back later. I really hated scotts entrance. Race Bannons actions completely null and the fact that he came in here saying he knew RB was town from a obs point of view is really off to me. Also the dude who wrote the huge post. You have pocketed me. Well played. Not voting you. Ill be back later. ##Vote: Scott He says that RB's actions were null. He points out my post about RB, scumreading me for that post. Scott does the same, which implies that scott agrees with Roc at this point. But he completely disregards that. Instead he votes scott (who still has a weak position at this point because he comes off of the RB replacement and IMHO could've been an easy mislynch if mafia dared to push him) because he thinks that an observation from OUTSIDE THE GAME is alignment indicative? That does not make any sense to me, at all, and feels like scum seemingly having found a pain point that can be pushed. I am absolutely not liking that post. Talking about a scott mislynch, it looks like that's how J Roc perceived it indeed: On August 02 2016 08:36 J Roc wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 08:28 Stutters695 wrote: JRoc, since you're here, what do you make of those last few hours before the lynch? Wasn't very productive and we let Scott make a few posts then fuck off while the wagon moved off of him I completely disagree with the scum read of Scott. Completely. The reasoning behind this read is simply bad and highly constructed. Yet he still stresses it, without any follow up, without bringing scott back to the thread's attention. Instead, mderg defense: On August 02 2016 06:33 J Roc wrote: I'm not lynching mderg. I agree with a lot of his reads. At this point, many people want to lynch mderg. This can easily be scum, trying to gain town cred for voting outside the wagon. On August 02 2016 08:34 J Roc wrote: Was against a mderg lynch the whole time "Look, I knew it." His following reads during the night phase say Rels and Scott are scum, while he does not react to Moosy although being explicitely asked about Moosy - by Moosy. Also he engages in discussion with Moosy and starts agreeing on Moosy's vote analysis bullshit. While they had opposite opinions before, J Roc abandons his scott push at this point and follows Moosy. Why? But yeah, after that short excursion he goes back to scott. Then he leaves completely: On August 07 2016 06:53 J Roc wrote: Have free time this evening after dota battle cup. Will do stuff I promise That never happened. Given that J Roc went for scott since D1 and never really stopped, I think he's pushing an agenda. It actually makes sense, scum needed only one more mislynch to win before moosy was modkilled. And pushing a player with two pages of filter that is being scumread already by others (-> Celestial, who has a high level of town cred) feels like the easy thing to do. In D1, it's safe to vote outside the town wagon. D2, the push can be kept up, and once D3 has started, things look good: thread put me under suspicion (first potential mislynch), and if that fails, there's always scott (second potential mislynch). We're lucky that Moosy was modkilled tbh. I think J Roc is scum and we should vote him. If J Roc flips town which I find highly unlikely, I'd go for Scott. Or at least that's what I would do now. We're in a very good situation but we really need to carefully look into what we do next. | ||
beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
August 08 2016 09:23 GMT
#1105
On August 02 2016 03:18 Skynx wrote: Rels should be the lynch I'm afraid. No one really sticks out to me. This is basically the essence of Skynx Day 1. He doesn't do much, bantering here and there a little bit, and filling the first page of his filter. No strong opinions, no pushes. Interestingly enough, his first interactions are with Lunatic and Moosy, followed up by interactions with me about my "Race Bannon" which at this point is the easiest way to go. He tries to stop the scott train: On August 02 2016 03:51 Skynx wrote: Anyway 1st things 1st, mderg, stutters, KSC and jroc pls move away from Scott there is no way he is scum, thank you. Which again is interesting. I mean I stated in my post about J Roc how he is all about lynching scott. Skynx should have seen this and looked into J Roc at this point. He has a high interest in stopping the Scott train so anyone who's actively pushing that wagon should be suspicious to Skynx. On August 02 2016 05:26 Skynx wrote: Anyway I think this is my preferred priority algorythm for now: Rels>Stutters>btdt>Grack>silent So imo i liked gracks posts more than other two. Can't really quote out specific ones but his interactions felt more like natural towny to me. Rels is plynch, same with silent. We can also throw a curveball and go Luna if we don't want to deal with similar behavior cuz he didnt changed much but pretty sure he's town. Town>Town>Town>Town>Town. He wants to policy silent at this point but there's no way that silent should be a policy lynch. Weird thought process there, again. Nothing(!) about J Roc, still, although J Roc is still pushing scott. On a sidenote there's a lazy "could lynch Luna" thingy which might be scum mentioning his teammate so he has something to rely later on. Keep in mind, Lunatic was already under pressure from Silent and myself at this point. Then, Skynx completely ignores his "top 5 lynch priority" and goes for mderg. On August 02 2016 05:37 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 04:02 mderg wrote: On August 02 2016 04:00 Skynx wrote: On August 02 2016 03:55 mderg wrote: On August 02 2016 03:51 Skynx wrote: Anyway 1st things 1st, mderg, stutters, KSC and jroc pls move away from Scott there is no way he is scum, thank you. What makes you so sure about that? 1: RB kept trolling when roles piled up on him. While scum may not panic sometimes, he definitely didn't look like he gave two fucks if he died right then. 2: Scott had a nice entry 3: You guys are just voting to shut him up, now regardless of alignment its a different player who is at least putting effor in the game. 1. I agree 2. I don't think so. In my opinion his entry was pretty bad 3. No, for me at least. Show nested quote + On August 01 2016 00:04 mderg wrote: Based on the last page I'd say we policy lynch Race Bannon. It will just get more and more obnoxious, if he continues to post like this. So I simply want to get this out of the way. ##vote Race Bannon Hmm actually thats quite bad. Bunch of other stuff not really saying much. He also likes my comment saying RB is a lazy scumread. Like as inconsistent as it gets. On August 02 2016 05:44 Skynx wrote: Well since i gotta go bed tone based updates: Rels, Scott, stutters are town. Also not feeling like plynch as per stutters point so silent gets a pass. Grack is very very slightly above btdt for me. Mderg or btdt. Ends up on me though: On August 02 2016 19:35 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 06:11 -Celestial- wrote: Skynx just threw a vote on BTDT right before leaving but didn't actually say why he chose him over mderg as far as I can see. Can anyone point out a post where he says this? It came down to both of them in the end and right before I leave stutters pointed out above. I figured I jumped to conclusions too quickly on mderg, hence btdt vote. And, finally, he goes back to his initial priority: On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote: And thats about it I guess. Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4. Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution. Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc I won't be lynching for a while. I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train. Like, where is Skynx coming from here? Re-evaluating is a good thing. Townie. But he has thus far not actively pushed anyone. He's just dropping half-hearted reads, going with thread sentiment. Note how he calls Lunatic a low hanging fruit and warns people to not go for him while he puts MoosyDoosy on his town pile, completely ignoring my meta arguments. Since he voted me, he must've seen my meta arguments, right? On August 03 2016 14:25 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2016 12:40 -Celestial- wrote: On August 03 2016 12:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: I actually don't think vig should claim here. As it is, there's really no need to claim so early unless they're under a lot of pressure. I guess an argument can be made that holding onto the vig claim (that isn't going to be challenged unless mafia REALLY needs the mislynch and are willing to risk a mafia life for it) will allow for a potential impact reveal later and make for a less easy N2 shot which would just be on the confirmed town vig (unless there's a doc in the game, in which case they just protect the vig from the shadows). Problem is that we have very little to go on right now, so the extra info could be useful. :-\ That's assuming Vig is one shot. Vig is one shot this game, right? I can't actually see it in the OPs but vig have always been one shot in the newbie games I've played I think. IDK. Game is hard. Vig claim is a bad idea. We need to push mderg voters first, if not cc would be harder to analyse and/or even without cc claim might have less credit. Push first into have your own opinion based on responses is the way to go. Vig can be 1,2 or multishot. I doubt there is a finalised version of role distribution but mafia can prolly analyse if its a limited or multishot vig depending on their power roles. So that makes claim even worse. This is an outright lie. + Show Spoiler [Roles] + On July 23 2016 05:26 Shapelog wrote: Flavor setting: Show nested quote + Can I pick a fictional horror story that takes place in alternate history where all the characters suffer comedic deaths? Roles: You are a Immigrant of Prosper! (Vt) You are in a bliss state, living in prosper, and take part in the governmental elections. You win with town. You are a Prosper Officer. You have been given special Privileges by the country of Onedia, and have be made a "Officer." You...Aren't entirely sure what a Officer is, but given the history books you have read, you know you can break into peoples houses! Once per night, you may break into a players houses, and see if they are up to no good. A course, you aren't that good at telling hard to understand crime, so any criminal mastermind (GF) will get away. But that shouldn't be a problem in Prosper. You win with town. You are a Medical student (doc)! While all citizens of Onedia knew basic medial procedures. But you know more detail procedures. Once per night, you may heal anyone one person of your choosing. Not that you need to, no one gets hurt around here anyways. You win with town. You are aProsper Citizen(vet)! You been around the town, and know all the alleyways. Therefore, in case of a dangerious threat, you have a extra life of sorts. You win with town. You are aOnedia "Escort"! Sometimes, newcommers just don't work out. So you get the pleasure of moving them for your country. Once per game, at night, you can remove (kill) any person that just arrived (one of the other players). You win with town. You are a Secret Rebel (goon)! You have your orders a upon arriving, do so. You will get a communicator (QT link), that will allow you to talk with your fellow mafia members. You win with the Rebels. You are A common sweet-talker (RB)! You were hired to come to Prosper, for a unknown reason. Who cares though, price was good. You are to each night, pick a person and stop them from doing anything to the morning by talking to them. You will get a communicator (QT link), that will allow you to talk with your fellow mafia members. You win with the Rebels. You are -Confidential Name- (GF) You are head of the Secret Rebel Organization. You decided this operation was worth you coming to the flied. You are good enough at blending in to not be detected by anyone. You will get a communicator (QT link), that will allow you to talk with your fellow mafia members. You win with the Rebels. The role distribution among the scum team is not random. The "power role distribution" that Skynx describes is always the same as the role descriptions imply. If that is not the case, only scum would know. Let's make sure this is not the case (although if that question gets answered with "yes", it would modconfirm Skynx as scum... lol) [b]Are there any scum roles in the game that have not been described within the role section of the OP? Absolutely not liking this post from Skynx. Content wise, I disagree with the vig not claiming. Rels was at this point subject to heavy suspicion and was an easy mislynch target for scum at this point. His claim was good, also because the possibility of a doctor was within the setup. Having confirmed town makes things always easier for town imho. Interestingly enough, he doesn't care for what confirmed town says: On August 05 2016 04:32 Skynx wrote: On August 04 2016 17:45 Rels wrote: Yeah Lunatic dude couldn't help but post every 30 seconds in the previous game, but can't be assed to post for days here. Mafia, or he has some IRL urgencies. Let's hope it's not the latter. Or he took lessons from last game. On August 05 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote: Guys Lunatic is not the lynch here... ##Vote: Silentwarrior Like - what? This is an incredibly bad vote. On August 05 2016 04:49 Skynx wrote: D1 pattern: silent pushes stutters > stutters is getting townread > people jump off scott train to silent train > Rels starts mderg train > their only interaction in game happens: On August 02 2016 07:18 Rels wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 07:05 silentwarrior wrote: Rels, what's your take on stutters and my case about him? I read yours on mderg and agree with most of what you wrote, but Stutter's is so blatantly mafia. Also, can others also comment on it? These posts are townie: Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 06:44 Stutters695 wrote: On August 02 2016 01:51 mderg wrote: On August 02 2016 00:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 01 2016 22:56 Skynx wrote: Also Moosy how is KSC town is that a tone read? Yes. On August 01 2016 22:54 mderg wrote: On August 01 2016 22:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 01 2016 22:05 mderg wrote: On August 01 2016 21:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 01 2016 17:40 mderg wrote: On August 01 2016 12:57 Grackaroni wrote: [quote] I think that mafia tends to play more subdued is a pretty standard idea that most players would accept. I'm not saying Race Bannon could never be mafia but lynching the guy who goes out of his way to spam the thread and pisses everybody off in the process is definitely not a good place to start if you want to hit mafia. Silent made the first serious accusatory post of the game and put himself in the spotlight. I liked the post just because I think that Kelsier's non-contribution would look scummy to a newcomer, but the start of the game is the easiest time to "contribute". All I've gathered so far is that Kelsier seems annoyed from the state of the game and can't be assed to start playing. I don't really read Kelsier either way. Also I can disagree with a post's conclusions and still townread somebody for their post. Case in point, I don't really agree with your reads or any of the reasoning attached to them, but I'm still very thankful for something to comment on and will give a town read for it. It's magic! As for my choice not to post my thoughts before getting other people's. Are you saying that I'm afraid of putting forth my own thoughts before seeing other people's or something else? I don't think that will be too much of an issue. Actually I think the reason I've come up here in the first place is that I've actually put out some of the more distinctive things. My point here for Mderg is that he's pushed three slots that I feel are town slots. What kind of deception do you think I'm trying to slip under the radar here? Anyone can read his filter in 30 seconds and see whether he has posted about Race bannon or Scott. I didn't push lunatic, I was just hoping my post would start some discussion while I'm away. That makes it 2 "town slots" I've pushed. I really can't see what you like about either of them. I actually dislike scott's posts more than I did Race Bannon's (alignment wise). explAin dood Race Bannon simply posted gibberish which is obnoxious and annoying but not really alignment indicative. scott made a list of people who had their vote on Race Bannon and took picked one of those to push. It doesn't take a town hero to call BTDT out on that. Then he gives town points to J Roc for having called out the same post by BTDT. He also liked silentwarrior's post regarding Kelsier which I didn't like for reasons already stated. His thoughts so far seem superficial and lacking any sort of depth. And that's something I see as scummy, more so than one obviously bad post. So do you think btdt's post was shit or good? it was bad So you're scumreading scott because he's scumreading btdt for making a shit post? The scumread itself is not my issue with scott. I'll try to explain it again. btdt's post basically had a big sign with "That's bad for town" attached to it. Scott scumread him for that,nothing wrong with that, though a bit superficial. Then he also townread J Roc for voicing the same concerns about the post with the big sign. Calling out such a post is really not a reason for townreading somebody. He also liked silentwarrior's post about Kelsier. Kelsier carrying a huge sign saying "anti town". That's just way too superficial for me. There's no effort to really figure people out in there, just focusing on single posts with imo very little value. It's like he's following a simple line of seeing a obviouslybad post -> seeing people calling those posts out -> townreading those people. I'd expect a townie to put a bit more thought into it than that. This post makes me much more in favor of a silent lynch over mderg now that I've read his filter Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 06:48 Stutters695 wrote: On August 02 2016 06:36 -Celestial- wrote: EBWOP: I don't like silent as much as I did but I still think he's pretty scummy. For clarification there, before someone decides to misrepresent me. Out of curiosity, what did you see in his post that makes you less sure? Before he was a plynch essentially, now he's someone I actively want to lynch. So I'm not sure of anything on Stutters. >silent votes mderg to survive The reasoning is dumb - of course silent votes mderg to survive. I would've done the same. On August 05 2016 05:34 Skynx wrote: Celest who you wanna lynch? Lunatic won't flip scum. Hard defense. And look at this: [B]On August 05 2016 05:36 Skynx wrote: Can we shennanie KSC/btdt? You said they have equal chances with Luna, Rels. I'm happy with one of Scott/btdt/KSC. "Can we shannanie the guys that I put in the low hanging fruit category and warned everyone else to lynch them?" This makes no sense. Skynx is probably even more likely to flip scum than J Roc. Both dropped fairly under the radar of everyone. I will now leave the thread and think a bit more, reread my own posts about the remaining five and see if I can get even more value into that thread. | ||
beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
August 08 2016 19:51 GMT
#1114
All you are doing is to outright lie to the thread, trying to discredit a blue claim. It's worth a shot since mafia counterclaiming here would just give up a member for a now powerless blue. It's a subtle move right there, especially since Rels, before his claim, was under heavy suspicion by multiple players. Regarding Moosy: he's a trolly player, point taken. But you said it yourself: "wait until D2/D3 until he makes sense". He made sense from D1. It was a completely contrary observation to what I got to know when I was in the game with him. I don't see where you're coming from when you discard/not take into consideration what other people said about Moosy (-> Celestial) when at the same time, you say that your playstyle is to shoot almost randomly in pretty much any direction. What I noticed is that you completely changed from hitting anyone to "only" defending yourself while starting to townread me. The townread part is great but we need to identify scum here. So start your attack mode all over again and get onto JRoc, because right now, it's either you or him in my opinion. I'm not going to discard my case because you answered like half of the stuff in there, also since you basically said "no you're wrong" without adding too much information to your answer. Regarding your tunnel on Silent: no, I don't find a sufficient explanation of it. This is the first post in your filter where you bring him up: On August 02 2016 05:17 Skynx wrote: I had a post about something i didnt like about stutters then grack came in and defended him then stut sr'd grack. Meanwhile btdt sr'd Luna and when grack agreed he sr'd grack. Pretty sure there is one careless mafia here. Silentwarrior is also a shout. Maaaaaaybe Moosy. Dont really have an opinion on jroc and mderg. Luna is tone based townread, also due to similarities to last game. Celestial definitely gets a pass altho i didnt agree with all of his points. KSC is null. Rels how you doing bro pls step up so i dont lynch you <3 I don't see exactly where "Silentwarrior is also a shout" is a solid explanation of a read. Also how do you say "maaaaaybe Moosy" when you just stated that you townread him all game? Doesn't make sense, again. In your famous lynch priority post, Silent is the last priority. On August 02 2016 05:26 Skynx wrote: Anyway I think this is my preferred priority algorythm for now: Rels>Stutters>btdt>Grack>silent So imo i liked gracks posts more than other two. Can't really quote out specific ones but his interactions felt more like natural towny to me. Rels is plynch, same with silent. We can also throw a curveball and go Luna if we don't want to deal with similar behavior cuz he didnt changed much but pretty sure he's town. Only reason I see is "plynch" which in no way is an elaborate explanation. On August 02 2016 19:41 Skynx wrote: Silent's defence in p24 is pretty lackluster. Why? Where? How? What is this post? On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote: And thats about it I guess. Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4. Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution. Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc I won't be lynching for a while. I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train. Again, no explanation! On August 03 2016 14:29 Skynx wrote: I will adress your defence on my list later aswell Silent dw bro This never happened. On August 05 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote: Guys Lunatic is not the lynch here... ##Vote: Silentwarrior So up to this point, there is literally ZERO explanation on why your vote is on Silent and not on Lunatic. Zero. Absolutely nothing. Please point me to your posts where you initiate a case, start explaining, or even try to convince fellow town to follow you into your highly thought-out lynch. I absolutely do not understand this. What I found is a post I already quoted but I'll do it again: On August 05 2016 04:49 Skynx wrote: D1 pattern: silent pushes stutters > stutters is getting townread > people jump off scott train to silent train > Rels starts mderg train > their only interaction in game happens: Show nested quote + On August 02 2016 07:18 Rels wrote: On August 02 2016 07:05 silentwarrior wrote: Rels, what's your take on stutters and my case about him? I read yours on mderg and agree with most of what you wrote, but Stutter's is so blatantly mafia. Also, can others also comment on it? These posts are townie: On August 02 2016 06:44 Stutters695 wrote: On August 02 2016 01:51 mderg wrote: On August 02 2016 00:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 01 2016 22:56 Skynx wrote: Also Moosy how is KSC town is that a tone read? Yes. On August 01 2016 22:54 mderg wrote: On August 01 2016 22:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 01 2016 22:05 mderg wrote: On August 01 2016 21:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 01 2016 17:40 mderg wrote: [quote] I didn't push lunatic, I was just hoping my post would start some discussion while I'm away. That makes it 2 "town slots" I've pushed. I really can't see what you like about either of them. I actually dislike scott's posts more than I did Race Bannon's (alignment wise). explAin dood Race Bannon simply posted gibberish which is obnoxious and annoying but not really alignment indicative. scott made a list of people who had their vote on Race Bannon and took picked one of those to push. It doesn't take a town hero to call BTDT out on that. Then he gives town points to J Roc for having called out the same post by BTDT. He also liked silentwarrior's post regarding Kelsier which I didn't like for reasons already stated. His thoughts so far seem superficial and lacking any sort of depth. And that's something I see as scummy, more so than one obviously bad post. So do you think btdt's post was shit or good? it was bad So you're scumreading scott because he's scumreading btdt for making a shit post? The scumread itself is not my issue with scott. I'll try to explain it again. btdt's post basically had a big sign with "That's bad for town" attached to it. Scott scumread him for that,nothing wrong with that, though a bit superficial. Then he also townread J Roc for voicing the same concerns about the post with the big sign. Calling out such a post is really not a reason for townreading somebody. He also liked silentwarrior's post about Kelsier. Kelsier carrying a huge sign saying "anti town". That's just way too superficial for me. There's no effort to really figure people out in there, just focusing on single posts with imo very little value. It's like he's following a simple line of seeing a obviouslybad post -> seeing people calling those posts out -> townreading those people. I'd expect a townie to put a bit more thought into it than that. This post makes me much more in favor of a silent lynch over mderg now that I've read his filter On August 02 2016 06:48 Stutters695 wrote: On August 02 2016 06:36 -Celestial- wrote: EBWOP: I don't like silent as much as I did but I still think he's pretty scummy. For clarification there, before someone decides to misrepresent me. Out of curiosity, what did you see in his post that makes you less sure? Before he was a plynch essentially, now he's someone I actively want to lynch. So I'm not sure of anything on Stutters. >silent votes mderg to survive Is this the reason for you to scumread Silent? That he voted mderg over himself? Because that's a weak as fuck reason. So please do two things: 1. Explain why you pushed Silent over Lunatic. 2. Explain why you have him now as locked town. On August 08 2016 18:00 Skynx wrote: One thing is very important here celest and silent: we can never ever be daunted by others and switch votes. Always vote together. | ||
beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
August 08 2016 19:54 GMT
#1115
On August 09 2016 03:46 Skynx wrote: By the way here are some stats for you: -two people are actively scumreading me right after eachother. -two people are hmm "I need to re-read" about it -one afk Oh and 3. Let me know what exactly those "statistics" should mean. | ||
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