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/in
Saw the number of posts in here and thought maybe there was another game almost ready to start, but sadly...
Makes me doubly regret /outing from Palmar's game, but it had to be done. Oh well maybe WoW will semi-adequately fill my post-op recovery time.
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On August 17 2016 03:00 beentheredonethat wrote: Race, while you're right and the game is indeed open, please do not use mod color in your posts as stated in the OP.
You are already showing the signs of a Capable host.
Lay down that Law!
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On August 22 2016 04:14 Race Bannon wrote: theme game, huh?
Ah now I see what you were on about in that PM to me before.
Yea it is kinda an oxymoron to have this game labeled as Normal and Themed. Though in the ongoing games thread it is properly labeled with [M][N].
I think it's kinda a pain to get a thread's title changed.
Edit: To be clear (and since I got asked once already), a game with flavor (like role names and story, etc, that borrow from another universe) to add some spice when reading OP and add a little fun to the game does not make it Themed. Themed is used to describe games that don't follow normal m13 rules and roles. See Palmar's game for a heavily themed game.
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/conform
Pregame excuse: I plan to get sucked into WoW a fair bit this week with Legion launching
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On August 28 2016 11:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2016 10:38 Onegu wrote: TLDR? To many big words. My tiny brain cannot comprehend. Stop trying to use your lawyer talk to get me lynched. To surmise, your vapid, vacuous, vile, vitriolic vulgarity violates my virtuous values and has left me vexed. I am vehemently vocalising volubly my valid concerns because any more venomous, virulent verbiage and I very well could vacate this venture.
But... Verily this verbose visage of verbiage verifies that we should call you V?
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 28 2016 13:04 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2016 07:39 Tictock wrote: /conform
Pregame excuse: I plan to get sucked into WoW a fair bit this week with Legion launching HAHA I sold my account in Cata and never looked back
Yea I can't blame you, Cata was Meh, Pandaria was pretty good, Warlords was cool for like a month then became like the worst expansion ever. I've enjoyed playing the game casually over the past few years though, and I enjoy the Lore of WoW enough to stick with it.
Well... actually I might well have given up at some point in WoD had they not introduced the Token mechanic. Being able to avoid paying 15$ a month by paying with gold instead made sticking with the game much more feasable for me. I sometimes find something that makes me want to play often (such as a new expansion, or a good content addition) but usually I only login to the game to raid with some guildies I've played with for years.
I've got decent hopes for Legion, hopefully they learned from their mistakes in WoD. Time will tell I suppose. Besides Warlock has been one of the main classes I play (unless I'm healing) and how can I not play through the Demon expansion by summoning my own Demons to do my bidding?
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Hey, I thought this was starting later but that's cool.
Slept in till just a bit ago kus I'm a bum. Give me a few to wake up and I'll catch up and see what's shakin
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On August 29 2016 06:22 Vivax wrote: I see good will from Trfel here but it's not going to catch a mafia disfo. So far both of them posted null stuff, with Trfel's scumclaim being posted to look like he wanted to draw attention, but since he's posting in sluggish tempo I'm not sure he wanted to actually draw attention but the opposite. But I don't want to crash his party if he thinks he's achieving something.
Also, salut Rels!
This strikes me as the most interesting post thus far. Basically a long winded way of saying he has no idea what Trfel is doing.
I agree with the first sentance but the rest is calling out Trfel for something, then saying he doesn't want to push Trfel for it. Mild scum lean for casting shade on Trfel but not wanting to look like a bad guy while doing it.
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On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:25 Palmar wrote: 1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia. Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious.
You playing at all is highly unordinary....
What is this 3-4 posts just 1 hour into D1?
I'm both shocked and amazed.
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On August 29 2016 06:42 Palmar wrote: (hint, even if you only half-believe my case, you should 100% pile votes on, unless you have a better case on someone).
I'm tempted to give Palmar an early town pass for this plan to push Rels, but I think it's mostly just kus I think it's a solid move. Will hold off making an actual read till later.
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On August 29 2016 07:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:24 disformation wrote: currently trying to debate if trfel is going for the mad wifom play (i have seen sl or oneg (would need to doublecheck)) insta scum claim as scum before. dont know if that would be in trfel's scum range. would go with no. or is he trying to get town to generate content by talking about that.
on the other hand he is kinda annoying me already, which is normally not in trfel's range. so he might be trying to break meta. Flip flop where he claims Trfel wouldn't make that post as mafia but calls him mafia anyway. Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:41 disformation wrote: I think Palmar's explanation makes sense, but I have problems with my early D1 as either alignment (##selfmeta) and Rels hasn't been playing very well lately (no offense). So I kinda can Rels see with a weak opening as either alignment.
That being said I think I'll throw him into my scum lean pool. Flip flop defending Rels based on his own anecdotal evidence but calls him mafia anyway. More flip flops than a holiday in China. + Show Spoiler +
Waffleboy strikes again!
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On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:waitwaitwait hold on all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia and we're scumbuddies? no way
I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post.
Willing to townlean you for this though.
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On August 29 2016 08:18 Koshi wrote: Now that Palmar plays I will just let him do his thing and lynch him D3 if we don't lynch mafia. eztactics and 100% foolproof.
Hey, that was my plan!
Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy.
For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them.
Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town.
That is all.
## Vote: Rels
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On August 29 2016 08:39 Koshi wrote: w0t? Why?
Assuming this was about my Tumble read.
Just a thought pattern I think is more likely to come from Town than Scum. Somewhat weak I'll admit.
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A couple of Vivax's posts don't mesh with how I'm seeing the game at all.
Ehh I think I need context.
On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote: Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning.
Here he is basically saying that Tumble reacting to Palmar's thing with Rels is an "attention shift" like there is possible association between Rels and Tumble. While Vivax's own opinion of Rels is basically "Palmar is a cool guy, and makes a good point about Rels"
I kinda see Vivax doing exactly what he is accusing Tumble of doing here, shifting some attention from people discussing Rels onto Tumble.
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I just don't see why Tumble reacting to Palmar bringing up Rels like he did is a shift of attention. When it far more likely to be simply a reaction to stuff going on in the game.
I also doubt a scum!Tumble would react to a scummate!Rels being pushed by Palmar with, "yo what if Palmar is mafia?" but that is super weak.
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On August 29 2016 10:16 DanelerH wrote: I forgot to specify what the first spoiler is about. In it, Koshi suspects Trfel, but then defends Trfel later.
In the first quote Koshi is quite clearly joking, the 2nd is his real opinion.
All of his posts are fairly standard Koshi btw, but given he apparently did a good job projecting his town meta in the last game as scum I wouldn't put him anywhere but null for now.
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On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote: wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody. Could you tell me more?
I hadn't noticed that everyone had posted.
Points to you for paying attention.
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Scott, whats got you so active this game?
I mean I like it, it's just not what I'm used to.
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btw, I think I'm enabling my super secret strat for this game
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On August 29 2016 11:45 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 11:13 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote: wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody. Could you tell me more? I hadn't noticed that everyone had posted. Points to you for paying attention. why is that a townlean ... OH SHIT tinfoil here, Scott is scum and intentionally dropping that he he's using a spreadsheet for town cred or not, maybe
+ 5 Demerits for this post
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On August 29 2016 11:54 DanelerH wrote: but I'm still unfamiliar with everyone's playstyles.
To be honest sometimes being familiar with people can be as much a hindrance as a help.
I wouldn't place so much importance on it.
Besides sometimes half the fun is just in trying to figure out why this strange dude is posting like he is. Looking at you Race...
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On August 29 2016 12:00 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 11:42 Tictock wrote: Scott, whats got you so active this game?
I mean I like it, it's just not what I'm used to. I read the posts I and others made about D1 earlier in the thread. - I never liked d1, but geript's and the one I linked made a lot of sense. You should read them if you have not already TLDR of them - get everyone to not be a null
Yep that's what I got from skimming them.
And geript is a cool dude who should post more... when he can I guess.... sigh
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By the way Scott...
On August 29 2016 07:10 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 07:07 Race Bannon wrote: I hope the host provided the scumteam with the VT flavor, or this will be a concise town victory. This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP. Did you roll mafia again?
What did you make of Palmar's reasoning on RB?
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On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 08:18 Koshi wrote: Now that Palmar plays I will just let him do his thing and lynch him D3 if we don't lynch mafia. eztactics and 100% foolproof. Hey, that was my plan! Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy. For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them. Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town. That is all. ## Vote: Rels This is really left field and I don't understand where it's coming from. TT explain.
What, my vote on Rels?
a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game
I think it's a little less random than your own opening vote on Dis, I was hoping for more explanation on that...
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On August 29 2016 16:15 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 16:13 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2016 16:10 disformation wrote: and with all these questions I am fairly surprised you don't ask me where the hell my incredible hard TR on TT comes from. Sure, why are you so confident that Tictock is town? For correctly using meta to TR me, when he could just sheep one of the really strong players scumreading me.
This is a bit weaker than I was hoping for...
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On August 29 2016 21:51 Vivax wrote: I'm going to teh beach I want to see piles on scott when I'm back or I'll be a sad boy
Your WoT made my eyes bleed.
I gather you have some weirdly formed meta read on scott... I hate it. I should probably have good reasons why but I just don't buy the meta argument here.
Honestly I kinda hate that most of the cases put out there so far are heavily meta based. I suppose I should have expected that given this player list.
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On August 29 2016 22:18 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 22:09 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 16:15 disformation wrote:On August 29 2016 16:13 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2016 16:10 disformation wrote: and with all these questions I am fairly surprised you don't ask me where the hell my incredible hard TR on TT comes from. Sure, why are you so confident that Tictock is town? For correctly using meta to TR me, when he could just sheep one of the really strong players scumreading me. This is a bit weaker than I was hoping for... at least i am honest. thoughts on palmar/geript/scott? currently thinking about scott. like at face value I dont dislike his posts, but vivi is right they go nowhere. and I dont know what to take from this post: Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 10:48 scott31337 wrote:On August 29 2016 10:33 Holyflare wrote:On August 29 2016 10:24 DanelerH wrote: I find it odd that Koshi was suspicious of Trfel, but then defended Trfel shortly afterwards. If the former was said in jest, then it's another irrelevant and uncontributive post. Also, if you're using this metric why are you going after Koshi and not hopping aboard the Disformation is mafia train with me? None of disformation's post can be mistaken for jokes, a lot of them defend people (Rels) and then scum lean them (based off a 2 letter post....)? Also, everyone that is following the Palmar wagon on Rels and has said nothing more is in major cop out mode and I will be coming after you big time. Please do, I'm sorry your mafia bud posted two letters and went to sleep and now you have to defend him (I'm joking...somewhat As in: i wouldnt expect scott to post that as either alignment. xD
Palmar:+ Show Spoiler +
Geript:+ Show Spoiler +
Scott:+ Show Spoiler +No offense Scott...
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On August 29 2016 22:59 disformation wrote: Actually having a hard time interpreting these images. You are agreeing with/sheeping my Palmar read? You think the geript thing is so bad, you don't even know what to say about that? No Idea what the thing about Scott is trying to tell me.
Maybe putting people with alignments helped?
I felt up to the challenge of putting my thoughts/feels on people out in this way. I'm mostly happy with my results.
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Meh, it's too early in the game to get all tryhard imo.
I'm also hoping to see more from a few people, I'd be pretty happy if everyone in the game could get up to about two pages of filter.
Here are a few people I'd like to see more from to get better reads* : DanelerH Rels Holyflare Geript Tumblewood
*Not in any order
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On August 30 2016 01:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 22:36 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 21:51 Vivax wrote: I'm going to teh beach I want to see piles on scott when I'm back or I'll be a sad boy Your WoT made my eyes bleed. I gather you have some weirdly formed meta read on scott... I hate it. I should probably have good reasons why but I just don't buy the meta argument here. Honestly I kinda hate that most of the cases put out there so far are heavily meta based. I suppose I should have expected that given this player list. And you suck TT. It can't be a meta read cause I'm not judging him based on meta. What I did is much better: I analyzed a confirmed scum in a finished game and found out that scott's play is the one which has most things in common with how a mafia plays, so he's likely mafia. Carefully laid out. That case is science, bitch! If you won't read walls of text made by your suspect don't play this game thanks.
Oh I read your post, that's why my eyes were bleeding.
Your "science" is even worse than what I originally thought you were doing. It reminds me of this...+ Show Spoiler +
Basically you are making a meta read on another player and then applying it to Scott this game. I could probably do the exact same thing with someone who was town in another game. Nowhere in your case do you show how the stuff you quote are evidence of mafia mindset, you just label stuff as useless or random.
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On August 30 2016 02:59 Tumblewood wrote:hm I should have made this post yesterday when I saw this and remembered the post. maybe this was it? Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 12:01 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 11:54 DanelerH wrote: but I'm still unfamiliar with everyone's playstyles. To be honest sometimes being familiar with people can be as much a hindrance as a help. I wouldn't place so much importance on it. Besides sometimes half the fun is just in trying to figure out why this strange dude is posting like he is. Looking at you Race... also the points/demerits shit. substitute for actually doing stuff. he's so polite though and my feels alarm is going off
Since this is the 2nd person to accuse me of being mafia for "being too nice" does this mean everyone thinks I'm an asshole as town?
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On August 30 2016 06:47 Vivax wrote: Koshi said mafia is disconnected from the flow of the thread. I disagree. Grack in 72h wasn't disconnected from it, he was just following it but never having a strong opinion about anything. Pretty much what scott was doing in this game to a tee.
Apparently he agreed with disfo about me and Trfel being buds together or something but that line of thought is not pursued in the slightest afterwards.
I'm just repeating myself I think so I'll keep sitting here until scott dies, I might just sheep Palmar or HF later but I'm not afraid of being the only vote on scott at EoD if I feel like it. So I dnu. Vote scott or gtfo for now. The case stands and so far I've only seen stronlgy subjective remarks to it that don't match my level of effort in making it in the slightest and will be dismissed as such.
I really don't get why you are taking Grack's mafia play and making it the epitome of what it means to be mafia...
On the other hand I'm sorta remembering a game where I thought everything you did was shit and made no sense (and I think we tunneled each other to hell) and it turned out you were town.
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On August 30 2016 08:31 Rels wrote: - TT: I had the exact same impression Tumble posted about. He's reasonnable but, having played with him quite a few times, his "nice" tone matches his scum meta. As town he will not care for what people thinks about him and just post stuff about finding scum.
Ok that's it. I have half a mind to be extremely nice and cordial to you all so that if/when I flip it will put an end to this terrible meta on me.
That is if that's ok with everyone of course.
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On August 30 2016 08:51 Vivax wrote: If that's the case then Palmar used meta as well by your definition when he posted his argument on Rels WHICH YOU SHEEPED(!).
My reason for voting Rels was not because I believed his opening made him mafia.
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On August 30 2016 09:22 Vivax wrote: Like all you're literally doing is defending scott for no reason and getting on my nerves all game.
You have two options to be useful:
1) Make a convincing case on why I'm mafia 2) Make a convincing case on why scott is town.
Otherwise you're really just ruining the game for me. I don't want to put up with your shit.
Crap I'm already failing at being nice to everyone.
I don't think it can be helped though kus I just don't agree with your case on scott. Maybe we should just ignore each other for a bit kus we have a track record of going for each others throats as town.
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On August 30 2016 09:28 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 08:34 Tictock wrote:On August 30 2016 02:59 Tumblewood wrote:hm I should have made this post yesterday when I saw this and remembered the post. maybe this was it? On August 29 2016 12:01 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 11:54 DanelerH wrote: but I'm still unfamiliar with everyone's playstyles. To be honest sometimes being familiar with people can be as much a hindrance as a help. I wouldn't place so much importance on it. Besides sometimes half the fun is just in trying to figure out why this strange dude is posting like he is. Looking at you Race... also the points/demerits shit. substitute for actually doing stuff. he's so polite though and my feels alarm is going off Since this is the 2nd person to accuse me of being mafia for "being too nice" does this mean everyone thinks I'm an asshole as town? deference is a good word for what I see
flabbergasted is a much better word though...
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Like I just find it ironic that multiple people are calling me scum for "being nice"
While the one person who was willing to hard town read me earlier is the only one to bring up an actual point that might make me mafia...
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On August 30 2016 09:36 Vivax wrote: I just think you post a lot of derailing hogwash that won't convince anyone to either vote me or not vote scott. But sadly I don't think that it necessarily makes you mafia.
I woke up in a good mood today spending about an hour reading 72 H and this game and trying to display in as much detail as possible how scott was playing like mafia, then some random arses pop in and start saying "tl dr but your case is shit". That'd be Koshi and you, HF at least kept it at the tl dr without being in the automatic setting of just taking a gigantic crap on someone who is actually trying to solve the game.
People like that are gamekillers so step it up kiddo
Fair enough,
This was "Happy go lucky" and is apparently a pic of some girl who was in a movie by that name, who I thought fit well. That's how I felt about scott, he was just here doing his own thing bringing some small stuff to the table. Nothing of what I saw in your post really convinced me that this was scum!scott we are dealing with, and your lead in based on Grack's play in another game is a lv of meta read I'm just not ready for.
Though I'll admit my townlean on him might be less warranted with stuff like this.
On August 30 2016 06:58 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 06:53 Vivax wrote: One more thing that came to my mind seeing the votecount.
It's already mafia indicative that he's still sitting on the Rels wagon when it lost steam. Townies all went looking for better stuff when they had more information available. Palmar gave potential mafia a very easy wagon to switch to, but a hard one to get away from without putting in effort.
The remnants you're seeing on the Rels wagon are the fishlets who got stuck in the bait and don't have the muscle to break free. I'll bother about making a call on TT later cause until scott dies I'm in a strike. You are just really throwing everything and seeing what will stick, aren't you? I didn't like the geript case so I wasn't going to change my vote for that. Rels (well until a half an hour ago) still had not posted. I could change my vote to you if it makes you feel better, but I'd rather wait for Rels to respond.
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I should probably reread this game tonight or something, I will only be around tomorrow for EoD. I'l try to break away from Legion for an hour or two.
I feel ok about flip-flopping totally on Vivax and put him as a townlean. The passion for what he is pushing for is pretty real, even if I don't exactly agree or get it.
I feel pretty ok with not ever considering lynching these people today. Palmar Trfel Disinfo Koshi HF Vivax and I guess RB
so that leaves me these people to look at closer:
Tumblewood Rels DanelerH scott31337 Geript
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Rels:
Eh still not much to go off of, but I don't hate anything he's saying. I feel like I can clearly see where he is coming from on people even though he's not really saying a lot.
## Unvote Since there isn't any pressure there anyways now and I'm not ready to murder Rels yet this game.
Geript:
+ Show Spoiler +
Feeling's unchanged. I thought it was very odd how Geript laid down a vote on Disinfo so quickly but had so little to backup his scumread. There is also no sense that he really cares about his scum reads with the disparities pointed out already and the fact that he is pushing Disinfo so little. I'm not sold he's lock scum but he's a solid lynch option.
Tumblewood:
Here is another read I'm totally flipping on. Tumblewood's read progression doesn't make any sense to me. + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 11:45 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 11:13 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote: wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody. Could you tell me more? I hadn't noticed that everyone had posted. Points to you for paying attention. why is that a townlean ... OH SHIT tinfoil here, Scott is scum and intentionally dropping that he he's using a spreadsheet for town cred or not, maybe tinfoil's scott as scum
+ Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote: meh I like scott now On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote: new scott > afk scott and is also probably town now likes scott for not being afk, also implies he wasn't joking about scott possibly being scum + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2016 03:08 Tumblewood wrote: yes. compared to newbie xxi, in which he is much more attack-y. definitely seeing more similarity to his scum meta and his town meta. got 'em boys next target: palmar or holyflare Starts scum reading me though he got lazy in building his meta, suggests palmar or holyflare are his next suspects.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 30 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote: town vivax daneler
also probably town hf
scummy tt scott?
null/don't care yet most people
Suddenly Scott is scummy again, HF is town despite no new mentions, and apparently doesn't care about Palmar.
I'm tempted to go off on a tinfoil here, but I'll try to hold off because it's fairly associative. There is definitely something weird going on with Tumble though, I thought maybe he was just being lazy town but it's looking worse.
Definitely feels like a good lynch.
##Vote: Tumblewood
DanelerH:
+ Show Spoiler +
Another person my feeling is unchanged on. He just seems like a newbie trying to find his footing. It's weak but I like how he jumped out the gate going for Koshi and has pushed some of his thoughts.
I'd like to see his thoughts on more people though, there is plenty of room in his play to be scum trying to skate by.
scott31337:
I still have mixed feelings about scott, looking over his filter again I can understand the suspicions on him. The stuff I saw from him early on still feels pretty casual and care free to me, but there really wasn't as much contribution as I thought.
A few of his conclusions are weird like the one about Rels' meta and I disagree Palamr playing the game at any point in time is cause for concern. Nothing really stands out too much for me though.
I'm not sure I like his responses to Vivax's pressure though.
So the thing I need to figure out is why you posted this "case" - You had a slight townlean on you, so do you actually believe in it because you are town, or are people getting on the right track and you need to distract them (but you voted #2 on Rels, so Im doubtful it's because you and rels would be teammates then) I love how you make me asking about D's time zone as you did - I wanted to know if he was in the Europe crowd or the NA/US crowd, that's it
Doesn't make any sense to me, and the rest of his responses are meh.
Still don't think I'd lynch scott today.
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On August 30 2016 12:18 Trfel wrote: Tictock, why are you more willing to lynch geript than Rels? Is it just the inconsistencies between his posts and the conclusion, or is there something else?
It is partially just feels, on the surface the both just did the same thing but Rels string of thoughts flowed better into his conclusions. Geript has the inconsistencies but also did little to focus on his scum reads or any reads infact, compare to Rels who put down a decent bit about each of his scum reads.
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On August 30 2016 13:01 Tumblewood wrote: ah tru I am known for being erratic as scum and clear as town
Actually I do think you are pretty clear as town, not an open book by any means but usually it's easy to see where your head is at and what you are bringing to the table.
This game you are hanging back despite calling yourself out for it, and the only thing noteworthy you have brought up is a couple of posts to possibly support the meta that I'm not friendly as town. Even then you trailed off without really showing it to be a solid meta, and the read was borrowed from something Trfel posted in the first place.
So yea throwing out a piss-poor reads list that doesn't even track with the reads you've been giving out so far is pretty scummy.
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On August 30 2016 15:38 Trfel wrote: Hey, so if anyone has any questions or wants to talk about anything, let me know. Otherwise, Tictock, I asked you a question in post #583, if you're not going to answer it I'd at least appreciate it if you would just say that?
I'll be reading some stuff.
I wasn't really aware that you asked a question, just said that you didn't believe I was more ok with Rels than Geript. I can't think of anything else to expand on since both of them are fairly low volume posters this game and both did the same kinda catchup into summary post without much else.
If you disagree that's fine, it's not like I have a strong read on either of them. Though I am curiuse who you are thinking should be the lynch today. Are you thinking Rels is scum for mostly focusing on hot topic people at the time?
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Fair warning though, I'm unlikely to be very responsive for the next few hours.
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On August 30 2016 15:56 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 15:53 Tictock wrote: Fair warning though, I'm unlikely to be very responsive for the next few hours. Wait!!! Can I get like five minutes to pester you with several more annoying questions? First of which being, when you townread Tumblewood for the Koshi/Race Bannon/Tumblewood associative read thing (can link it if you need), what was it about Tumblewood's post that makes you say that it's more of a town mindset? Because I'm really not sure what you're getting at. As to who I want to lynch... working on it. But for now I'm thinking not you, if that helps
Only a minuet, but yet I remember that one.
It felt kinda towny to be tracking reads like that, in retrospect it's really not indicative since scum would be hyper aware of who is scum reading them so seeing his name next to koshi's in someone's scum list would stand out.
This kinda just makes me hate Tumble's last list post more since RB was one of the people totally left off, and I think that was their only interaction.
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I'm gunna catchup and see whats going on after one more questline, I promise.
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On August 30 2016 15:59 Trfel wrote:@Tictock, might as well ask all of my questions now. Early on, you said that you thought that both I and disformation were town. Why did you say this? Why did you move Holyflare from "null" into "don't lynch"? And I know that this question seems dumb, but if you wouldn't mind explaining a bit more of what it is about Vivax's passion over the scott31337 lynch that makes you townread him? Like, why can't he be mafia that is strongly pushing scott31337? Thanks
I liked the interaction between you two at the start of the game. I felt like you started off trying to push the game forward in a few different ways. Dis seems a lot like his town self, he seems to be genially trying to solve the game. You both were pretty easy early townreads for me.
Tbh I'm still not really past null on HF, but he's approaching the game in a way that I can appreciate and is doing stuff to push the game forward. Reason enough to not lynch him today.
As for Vivax it's the combination of his reaction's to me and the way he's been pushing his reads. Granted I don't think I've seen what it looks like when scum!Vivax puts effort into the game but his reactions to my scumread reminded me a lot of a game where we tunneled each other hard D1.
On August 30 2016 16:06 Trfel wrote:And Tictock, one more thing..... In this post, where you vote for Tumblewood, when did you decide that you were going to vote for Tumblewood?
After I'd made the rest of the post, posts like that I preview and edit a little before posting.
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On August 30 2016 17:22 geript wrote: I'm going to say this to everyone once. Asking questions of me will be useless this game. I will address what I want to. I'll try to be around at deadline but it's unlikely to happen given my schedule. I'm going to talk about what I want to/feel I need to when I have time to. If you don't like it, then you can lynch me.
This plus some of geripts other posts around this time make me not want to lynch him either.
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On August 30 2016 18:50 disformation wrote: was skimming a bit through some tw and tt filters in other games. tw doesn't really look like either his town or scum games imo. for tt i need to find a recent town game. there are similarities to his scum play in shin megami tensai, but those are rather shallow imo. like his entry does look similar and his lists look similar.
Just to be clear, why did you lose your earlier townread on me?
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Skimming a bit more now so I don't run out of time.
On August 31 2016 00:10 Vivax wrote: I am perfectly happy with the scum triangle scott, TW, Palmar. You read it here first!
You know, I actually kinda like the tinfoil you went through to get here Vivax. Though this much association D1 is probably terrible.
I'm gunna stick with Koshi's plan of leaving Palmar be till D3 though.
I was correct to put Race Bannon in a category of his own, pretty sure he's gunna stay there all game.
Was kinda iffy about Dis' suddenly wanting to make a case about Vivax over that one post, but the way he pushed and then changed his mind feels a lot like town who thought they had something for a moment.
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On August 31 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 01:40 DanelerH wrote:On August 30 2016 13:03 Tumblewood wrote:On August 30 2016 12:30 DanelerH wrote: That reminds me. Tumblewood, in addition to Palmar, you also suspected Koshi of being Mafia. Why are they suddenly under "null/don't care yet"? it's a weak suspicion. mostly my reaction when someone slips into the town category in my mind and then I think "oh, maybe they could be scum" or "why am I townreading them" One more question for you, then. Why are your reads on Scott so erratic? mostly as a result of me changing my mind based on new information brought to light
I hope you can or do explain what information was changing your mind.
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On August 31 2016 02:07 Tumblewood wrote: you have all these great cases on scott too, right in front of your eyes. and you ignore them for the bs on me. I'm voting scott btw if you want to join me
What happened to your scum read on me?
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On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote: fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript.
What about his responses make you think he's town?
Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him.
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On August 31 2016 02:25 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 02:08 Vivax wrote: Tumble now would be a good time to explain why you semi-called Palmar mafia and then refused to explain. Not that it means much to me that you refused, it's more relevant why you and scott were intent on calling him mafia but not going after him for no reason except what could have been sloppy distancing. I never called Palmar mafia - quite the contrary, I called it extremely suspicious that he was posting on a weekend. Are you just making shit up to suit your agenda now?
Wtf is this post?
Calling something "extremely suspicious" is definitely suggesting someone is mafia.
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I'm pretty happy to be lynching Tumble honestly.
Nothing he's posted in the past few hours says anything, and he's mostly just whining about how he's not really playing his scum meta.
I get the scumreads on Dane but I feel like he's much more a roll of the die than Tumble who is like 95% likely to flip mafia here imo. Like I get why some of his posts are triggering alarms but I feel like he is putting in effort.
Scott is still a tough one for me this game. Palmar flip-flopping from geript to Tumble and then back to Geript is worth raising an eyebrow or two at, but is not something I care to dig into right now.
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On August 31 2016 05:37 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:34 Koshi wrote: Reread TW his last 2 pages and he is giving us nothing... He just plays on emotions. Trying to survive. I'm giving meds in between reading, can you give me like a point by point on why you think he's scum. so I can think about it while I filter him.
Lynch is in 20 min, this is a bit of a tall order. Also Koshi made a case not that long ago.
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On August 31 2016 05:40 Tumblewood wrote: honestly I really want to lynch Koshi right now or maybe hf circa 20 minutes from now it should strike everyone as really weird that my wagon formed so easily and didn't budge even when things changed
Nothing has changed, expect more and more people realizing you rolled mafia this game.
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Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.
I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble.
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On August 31 2016 05:51 Rels wrote: I've read Scott geript and tw filter and I want a geript lynch Tumble had some townie reactions not long ago Scott last read list is like exactly mine with my name instead of his name. He could be town for that Geript has done nothing after his two tryhard posts that had inconsistency in it. I think he is the more likely to flip scum FTR I also really dislike the way tt is pushing tumble lynch, he is missing some kind of doubts townie usually have
Good, now I feel like my vote on you at the start of the game was justified.
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Arg I actually still don't like the shennanie...
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Fuck it
##Unvote ##Vote: Rels
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I hate myself for caving to pressure.
Sorry Rels.
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On August 31 2016 06:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote: Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.
I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble. Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:54 Tictock wrote:On August 31 2016 05:51 Rels wrote: I've read Scott geript and tw filter and I want a geript lynch Tumble had some townie reactions not long ago Scott last read list is like exactly mine with my name instead of his name. He could be town for that Geript has done nothing after his two tryhard posts that had inconsistency in it. I think he is the more likely to flip scum FTR I also really dislike the way tt is pushing tumble lynch, he is missing some kind of doubts townie usually have Good, now I feel like my vote on you at the start of the game was justified. Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:57 Tictock wrote: Arg I actually still don't like the shennanie...
like this shit was bad, if tumble is town then this guy effectively was happy to want to go afk and also shit all over shenanigans to rels and then switch only when he claimed blue[/QUOTE]
Wow you turned out this story real quick.
Specially when this was your reaction.
On August 31 2016 05:59 Holyflare wrote:no nop nop noppppp you would have claimed it in your last post before instead of 1 minute before, fuck you
Why are you instantly putting blame on people for that lynch? Such mafia tactic.
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So I've done this game a disservice by spending all my time fighting Demons instead.
I'm gunna devote some time to catching up and responding to stuff, then I'll be back closer to deadline.
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Responding to HF's posts regarding me up until about pg 50.
On August 31 2016 06:55 Holyflare wrote: I'd like you to explain yourself TT because your vote looks like the worst in combination with what you've said.
Ehh if you assume I was somehow omni-present it looks like I swapped right after Rels claimed.
What actually happened was I saw everyone switching and went to check vote-thread to see where votes where at. Saw enough had switched that Tumble was never getting lynched figuered wth and jumped on Rels.
I don't get why making that switch actually makes me mafia when I could have sat back and yelled at all the town people for lynching Rels.
On August 31 2016 07:18 Holyflare wrote: I'll have a reread of his filter again, I know for sure he said things that bugged me and were off from my thinking which is automatically off putting but the vca is by no means conclusive since we barely know anything
don't like that he's attacking me directly for being the only one putting any remote effort into this game instead of just talking away a simple point though?
I'm reacting to the fact that following a D1 blue lynch you went right into accusation mode. You were the most vocal person to get people to switch to Rels, and then are the first to accuse the people who lynched Rels...
I'd be more impressed if you were actually doing something with the VCA you never actually did. Really all that's happened by the time you've posted this is; pointed out I jumped onto the Shennanie despite saying I really didn't want to; have given an updated reads with vote post + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 07:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Final Vote Count
Votes: - Rels (6) - Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood, Tictock, Palmar
- Tumblewood (1) - scott31337
- geript (0) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) - Race Bannon
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: - This is my more realistic read thing and yes two players form a hydra mafia. (which if you noticed has Scott as Scum, despite this being HF's last post about Scott+ Show Spoiler +On August 30 2016 06:56 Holyflare wrote: I just don't agree about scott lol, dunno what else to tell you? He seems carefree and yes little content but that doesn't necessitate someone is mafia all the time.
I also skipped 3/4 of your case, can you tl;dr it? ); complained that nobody was around; and when you go back to read my filter have nothing but "things that bug you" to note.
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For reference, someone who actually put more than a few minuets looking at something.
On August 31 2016 17:00 Trfel wrote:TictockTictock's end of day looks really bad. He makes a lot of posts talking about how much he wants to lynch Tumblewood and how scummy he thinks Tumblewood is: + Show Spoiler [Examples] +On August 31 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote: fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript. What about his responses make you think he's town? Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him. On August 31 2016 05:36 Tictock wrote: I'm pretty happy to be lynching Tumble honestly.
Nothing he's posted in the past few hours says anything, and he's mostly just whining about how he's not really playing his scum meta.
I get the scumreads on Dane but I feel like he's much more a roll of the die than Tumble who is like 95% likely to flip mafia here imo. Like I get why some of his posts are triggering alarms but I feel like he is putting in effort.
Scott is still a tough one for me this game. Palmar flip-flopping from geript to Tumble and then back to Geript is worth raising an eyebrow or two at, but is not something I care to dig into right now. On August 31 2016 05:41 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:40 Tumblewood wrote: honestly I really want to lynch Koshi right now or maybe hf circa 20 minutes from now it should strike everyone as really weird that my wagon formed so easily and didn't budge even when things changed Nothing has changed, expect more and more people realizing you rolled mafia this game. On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote: Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.
I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble. But he switches to Rels anyway. Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 06:41 Tictock wrote: I hate myself for caving to pressure.
Sorry Rels. And he blames it on caving into pressure. Given how much he talked about wanting to lynch Tumblewood and not shenanigan, even after Rels posted all of his most scummy stuff at EoD, this is the most plausible explanation if Tictock is indeed town. But it still doesn't seem very solid at all. Other than this End of Day stuff I kind of like Tictock's play? So I'm not sure what to make of this yet.
I know that unflipped associations are really stupid, but if scott31337 is mafia, Tictock's play looks far more suspicious. Here's the vote count before Tictock's vote switch: Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:58 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Vote Count #7
Votes: - Rels (4) -
Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock, Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood
- Trfel (0) -
disformation
- disformation (0) -
Holyflare, Koshi, geript
- Tumblewood (2) -
Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
- Koshi (0) -
DanelerH
- geript (1) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- TicTock (0) -
Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) -
disformation, Race Bannon
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: - Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched. Tictock's vote was really important in sealing the lynch as Rels, instead of scott31337. He could maybe have predicted Palmar switching votes to Rels, but relying on other people to switch would be a huge risk. So if scott31337 flips mafia, Tictock looks a lot worse. Even if scott31337 flips town, his End of Day makes me a bit suspicious about him.
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Going to try something different.
Prepare for a few somewhat rambly WoT's.
Scott: Started because of this post,
On September 01 2016 00:20 scott31337 wrote: It just seems like every one bailed off of TW so easily, it just makes me wonder.
So answer your question HF - I was working on a ticket at work and was trying to count votes in the thread - by the time I did, it was 5-4 Rels? I think, Rels was ahead. So I never did change my vote - I wasn't 100% sure if I wanted to, I was like "Welp, If I don't die, there just going to try to mislynch me tomorrow instead, and I'm going to be gone a lot of the game day."
I'll be spending some good time in the thread this afternoon - I have an american football game to go to Thursday night, and driving out of town for work on Friday morning for network installs, so I won't be around much after today.
I'll be back in a while.
Noted kus kinda a large blurb of "Later", also checked his last 3-4 posts prior are all the same with less words.
Followup?
On September 01 2016 04:00 scott31337 wrote: LOL Nice one Race.
Getting swamped with a site crapping out - but I'm sort of around.
Terrible, "I'm paying attn but not doing anything"
Despite a burst of activity which is just one liners, this sums up scott's posts up to pg 60.
On September 01 2016 14:36 scott31337 wrote: I really have lost all morale all game. I'm going back to voting Vivax, and if you all want to mislynch me, fuck it. I'll be gone the next two days more or less - but I'll be checking in.
All in all pretty disappointing from Scott, this is a game losing behavior if scott is town and honestly he should know that.
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Tumblewood:
On September 01 2016 00:31 Tumblewood wrote: Palmar is acting unusually for him, but that's not necessarily mafia. not quite sure how to feel about it; I'm used to wagon of justice Palmar and all I get this game is normal player Palmar. and the no brakes train to loseville sounds like it fits pretty well with my playstyle.
Sorta agree, especially that it doesn't make Palmar mafia.
not much going on...
On September 01 2016 23:49 Tumblewood wrote: welp I've been blindsided by extreme busyness thankfully the new posts are slim, but I probably won't be able to catch up till the second half of D2 was the Hf CC on disfo real or just a figment of my imagination?
First person I saw to pickup on this. Not sure what to make of that.
Nothing else noteworthy while catching up, will need to filter again though.
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Koshi:
Noting this from Koshi... kus WTF it came from Koshi?
On September 01 2016 05:01 Koshi wrote:Vivax/Palmar are both mafia. 3rd guy is a low content player that isn't scott or TW. So we are looking at RB/DanelerH/Geript. If it isn't RB I am going to guess geript. Scott I am 100% town on. If I die and you lynch him I am going to be very very sad. 100% town. Please believe me. Please. @Scott. When I die please feel free to solely keep quoting this message till the baddies remove their votes. Disformation obvious town. During the day he felt indecisive but with the activity during the night he became 100% town. HF obvious town. I don't think this high content activity is within his mafia reach. The doc should pick him or disformation tbh. Just flip a coin. Tfrel I wouldn't lynch but tbh I haven't read his filter yet. TW is probably going to be town. The posts he made before the lynch and after the lynch are more likely coming from an honest townie than an Oscar worthy mafia. TT I also think is town. Somewhere right before I made the TW case, (or right after?), we were thinking exactly the same on where to solve the game and where to look. He is also one of the few to be scumreading/pressuring geript/Vivax through the game. Just solid scumhunting on his own and trying to solve the game. I think that is the best way to townread TT btw. Palmar 100% mafia. Kill with fire. If you don't understand Palmar is mafia there is no hope for you. Has been sitting on random wagons taking 0 credit for his reads. Town!Palmar his favorite thing is to taunt town that he is right when he is sitting on a different wagon. Or play better and actually lead town. Nothing of that here, his like between the two. I'll let HF explain it better if I die. VivaxVivax is pushing mafia agenda 24/7. It is obvious if you look at the small things: Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote: Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning. Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:55 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2016 06:49 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote: Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning. Sorry Vivax, I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm not quite getting what you're saying. You're saying that if Tumblewood was actually interested in my alignment, and actually wanted to talk about me, then he would have discussed your post about me instead of just talking about Palmar's read on Rels? Or am I wrong? More or less. I think he was way more drawn to the Rels issue than to yours which he initially mentioned. But why would he? Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar? Is he more protective of Rels for other reasons? These 2 posts are very shady attempts to put pressure on TW without being in the spotlights. You read these posts and just ignore them and just put in your head "Vivax has something on TW" and take that with you without understanding what he means. Look at the bolded, it is putting very light suspicion on TW with unflipped association to Rels. Also the sentence right before that is just a very shady attempt to discredit TW from the start " Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar?". Both sentences were ambitious tries from Vivax to put the thread against TW. and it worked. Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote:Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment. Spoilered road to enlightenment. + Show Spoiler + I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?". The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games. So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team.
Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics. Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game. Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads.
So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott. When I read that I actually wanted to skip over the entire case just because how bad the intro was. This is the most forced way to start a case. And it just smells of TMI "youare all on the wrong track but here is a bullshit case on scott that I want you all to gobble up" And we did... Speeding this thing up due to having other things to do:Everything else Vivax did that day was push his scott ml while cheering on the TW ml. Also look at this: Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 02:15 Vivax wrote:On September 01 2016 02:13 Koshi wrote: I have been here the entire day. Your take on solving the game? I'm genuinely interested. Or are you saving it for post-night Pretending to be interested so they can decide if they should nk me. Pushing ùafoa agenda all night long. Why is geript more likely mafia over Danel? Because geript fits the team better. Show nested quote +HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. I liked it the first time I read it. But now that I reread it I can see him be mafia with Palmar/Vivax. It's also the small things like Palmar vs geript never being a real thing, the push from Palmar on geript was superweak. Palmar telling me geript his summarize wasn't good while it was pretty good on first sight, it just felt wrong because he didn't try to convince me. Not sure what Vivax even thinks about geript. He talked to Palmar about geript but never took a stance about it himself. All super weak stuff. It would be unlikely mafia shows face this hard so Danel is still an option. or RB #prayforred going to post this because if I don't and die I will never forgive myself. come at me mafia.
Having a hard time with Koshi's posts I'm gunna have to refilter him later.
@Koshi:
On September 02 2016 17:46 Koshi wrote: Tfrel looking worse and worse each post he makes. Still can't believe he didn't bother figuring out my post more. And if he thought that was my scumlist why he didn't go apeshit over the fact scott was in it.
So bad.
But wagon of justice is Palmar. Can you explain what is looking worse in Trfel's posts?
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On September 01 2016 06:41 DanelerH wrote: I didn't realize we were allowed to speak during the Night phase (we weren't allowed to in the other games I played). I'm going to need a bit of time to catch up.
On September 01 2016 07:48 DanelerH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 05:01 Koshi wrote: Palmar 100% mafia. Kill with fire. If you don't understand Palmar is mafia there is no hope for you. Has been sitting on random wagons taking 0 credit for his reads. Town!Palmar his favorite thing is to taunt town that he is right when he is sitting on a different wagon. Or play better and actually lead town. Nothing of that here, his like between the two. I'll let HF explain it better if I die. If anyone can back up the bold portion, please do so. I don't know how accurate this is. Regardless, the italicized portion made me check Palmar's filter again and I found out that Koshi is correct about this. Palmar went from: Rels: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote:On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote: This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia. please enlighten me. for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him? Ah fantastic. No, it's absolutely not a meta thing. You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things. But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves. He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia. - Something of note: + Show Spoiler +Palmar didn't give xyr theory on Rels until asked for it. Prior to this, xe only said "Rels is Mafia." On August 29 2016 06:31 Palmar wrote: ok is no one going to ask me how I came up with my theory? what is this? Geript: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 19:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 18:45 Palmar wrote: geript's two long posts are awful. He quotes a bunch of my posts and gives random commentary, then proceeds to make his conclusion some joke about marv.
Also, Rels still afk? wow such caught. Like to elaborate further on the geript thing. It's of special notice that when he is posting, Rels is clearly running away with the vote, and as such, geript should be paying attention to that part of the game, yet all he says about my case is "i am not impressed" without giving any further reasoning about it. In his conclusion he states "Rels is useless as usual" or something like that, which is like the weakest possible stance you can take on the person currently up for lynch. Like I would've been fine if geript's criticism was actually explained, or thought out at all. His long posts really stick out as "I'm gonna quote a bunch of shit and add random commentary so it looks like I'm doing things". Essentially, despite the long form of his posts, what he has done is basically written a glorified list post that looks something like this: Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:
Town HF Koshi Vivax
Leaning Town Trfel
Null Palmar Scott Rels
Scum Tumble RB disfo
Not that lists aren't fine, they're often a good way to gauge where someone stands on a game, but meeeehhh~~~ Also, he completely disregarded my point on RB which I still think is an excellent point. So yeah. geript's entrance is shit. Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2016 19:54 Palmar wrote: Voting Tumblewood
Partly because I admire the fact Koshi wrote a case that looks good and I want to support a good effort. Mostly though because he put me in "null/I don't care" category.
- Something of note: + Show Spoiler +Palmar wasn't the only one suspicious of Tumblewood. Holyflare was suspicous of Tumblewood a long time before this. Despite each of them making a case on the same person, Palmar made the following post: On August 31 2016 01:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 23:10 Vivax wrote: HF is very sheepable this game. Moreso than Palmar, even though he will hate me for saying this.
I never get who the hell Dan talks about when he says xym/xe, there is no player going by that name can you for the love of god use the actual names or do you have a chinese autocorrect turned on? HF has done literally nothing worth noticing. Geript (again): + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:44 Palmar wrote: I am only going to be on phone tonight but for what it's worth I didn't think tw sounded like mafia when we talked today. It's not a strong read nor am I going to hard defend him (don't wanna look like an idiot if he flips mafia) but yeah
I think geript is a better lunch. There is a vey concise and simple point against him Rels (again): + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:59 Palmar wrote: I awitched rather kill Rels than scott - Something of note: + Show Spoiler +This was only 15 minutes later and allegedly wasn't because Blue claim from Rels. On August 31 2016 07:19 Palmar wrote: yeah I don't have to argue this right now so I'm not going to.
I did not switch after he claimed blue, or if I did it was only because phone posting is slower. I switched, as stated, because of the two options left on the table I wanted to kill Rels over scott.
If Palmar is Mafia, I think it's safe to say that Geript and Tumblewood probably aren't.
I might be forever townreading this guy.
Also... + Show Spoiler +On September 02 2016 00:39 DanelerH wrote:I have no qualms with lynching Palmar, however I thought I would look into some other people that are currently under suspicion. One of these people is Tictock. In xyr filter, I found something very interesting: + Show Spoiler +Notice how Rels is listed under "Null," but Vivax is listed under "Scum lean." The reason why this is odd is because it doesn't match with Tictock's vote: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 08:18 Koshi wrote: Now that Palmar plays I will just let him do his thing and lynch him D3 if we don't lynch mafia. eztactics and 100% foolproof. Hey, that was my plan! Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy. For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them. Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town. That is all. ## Vote: Rels If you look at the timestamps in each of these, you'll see that the Rels vote was on before being suspicious of Vivax. Yes, Tictock was an early supporter of the Rels lynch, but it's strange that xe never changed the vote to Vivax. My vote on Rels is was exactly what I said in w/e post I made the vote in. It was for pressure to get Rels to do stuff. He hadn't done anything at that point in the game, how could I have a read on him? Again though, this is a good post.
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Holyflare:
On September 01 2016 09:14 Holyflare wrote: I will lynch any of palmar/ticktock today. I don't think much has changed for me to be honest, dane looking a but townier with the last post, scott falling off the face of the earth makes me contemplate joining the wagon of purity. I mean one of his posts was just a list post that wasn't even a list, more vote count colouring. Will read into him more.
Uhhh, still anti anything palmar says obviously :D
Like, there's a roughly 0% chance palmar joins a tw wagon and likes koshi's case but doesn't realise i made it first and he's sheeping me but ignores that and says I've done nothing :D
I really hate this post, especially given HF's read on Scott is ever-changing and never backed up.
Combined with how he played EoD into night I think there is a solid chance HF is mafia. Kinda slowplayed D1, got really right at EoD to push Rels, into some quick accusations and a lot of activity at night but not much thought or analysis being done. I stand by my original VoD selection + Show Spoiler +, HF is a whole lotta words without much substance this game.
On September 01 2016 09:57 Holyflare wrote: Lol why do you think i force people to call me town? It's so I can concentrate and not get distracted. Hence mafia palmar trying to tilt me into an argument to fit his "meta" crap post he posted earlier about me.
Basically the people that are mafia this game are the ones that are just calling me mafia-ish with no real conviction and leaving the door open for later (ticktock) and the guy with no real conviction to lynch anyone and calls me mafia for what reason exactly? which is not normal (palmar)
+probably scott but maybe not but probably
This is a vast misrepresentation of my play. I called HF null into town-reading him.
On September 02 2016 21:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 18:19 Holyflare wrote: Also beginning to hate tw because omgus even though it's not even a scum read on me?? Ahhh this bugs me so much????? Not only was I the ONLY one to try and save him at deadline day 1 AFTER making a case on him which ordinarily I'd just make everyone follow but I've given him like 1 1/2 cycles to play and give him leeway but I'm a random side mafia lean with a whole post dedicated to trashing a GOOD read on his scum read. Mafia really are only dropping weak as shit mafia reads on me. He's next lynch if I die plz.
Actually, why would he do this as mafia? What on earth does he gain from it given his position this game?
On September 02 2016 22:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 22:04 Tictock wrote:For reference, someone who actually put more than a few minuets looking at something. On August 31 2016 17:00 Trfel wrote:TictockTictock's end of day looks really bad. He makes a lot of posts talking about how much he wants to lynch Tumblewood and how scummy he thinks Tumblewood is: + Show Spoiler [Examples] +On August 31 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote: fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript. What about his responses make you think he's town? Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him. On August 31 2016 05:36 Tictock wrote: I'm pretty happy to be lynching Tumble honestly.
Nothing he's posted in the past few hours says anything, and he's mostly just whining about how he's not really playing his scum meta.
I get the scumreads on Dane but I feel like he's much more a roll of the die than Tumble who is like 95% likely to flip mafia here imo. Like I get why some of his posts are triggering alarms but I feel like he is putting in effort.
Scott is still a tough one for me this game. Palmar flip-flopping from geript to Tumble and then back to Geript is worth raising an eyebrow or two at, but is not something I care to dig into right now. On August 31 2016 05:41 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:40 Tumblewood wrote: honestly I really want to lynch Koshi right now or maybe hf circa 20 minutes from now it should strike everyone as really weird that my wagon formed so easily and didn't budge even when things changed Nothing has changed, expect more and more people realizing you rolled mafia this game. On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote: Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.
I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble. But he switches to Rels anyway. On August 31 2016 06:41 Tictock wrote: I hate myself for caving to pressure.
Sorry Rels. And he blames it on caving into pressure. Given how much he talked about wanting to lynch Tumblewood and not shenanigan, even after Rels posted all of his most scummy stuff at EoD, this is the most plausible explanation if Tictock is indeed town. But it still doesn't seem very solid at all. Other than this End of Day stuff I kind of like Tictock's play? So I'm not sure what to make of this yet.
I know that unflipped associations are really stupid, but if scott31337 is mafia, Tictock's play looks far more suspicious. Here's the vote count before Tictock's vote switch: On August 31 2016 05:58 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Vote Count #7
Votes: - Rels (4) -
Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock, Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood
- Trfel (0) -
disformation
- disformation (0) -
Holyflare, Koshi, geript
- Tumblewood (2) -
Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
- Koshi (0) -
DanelerH
- geript (1) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- TicTock (0) -
Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) -
disformation, Race Bannon
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: - Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched. Tictock's vote was really important in sealing the lynch as Rels, instead of scott31337. He could maybe have predicted Palmar switching votes to Rels, but relying on other people to switch would be a huge risk. So if scott31337 flips mafia, Tictock looks a lot worse. Even if scott31337 flips town, his End of Day makes me a bit suspicious about him. 1:You realise what you've quoted here is trfel putting in unnecessary words to what I already said? You said you didn't want to switch, you looked like you didn't want to switch and then you switched. Trfel explains what I did in 3 quotes but with 4 long paragraphs instead. You then go on to further say that me not doing anything with the vca is bad but also say that me accusing you because of the vca is bad. Congratulations. Are you going to cherry pick more of my posts or actually admit that I'm town now? I'm only on a phone at work for 90% of my game playing time so quoting a lot is already an unnecessary hassle but you're welcome to ask me questions instead of shit flinging and I will personally take my time elaborating everything that I thought at the time of each post/moment in the game. 2: If you're unclear about scott it's because he looked happy day 1 but then when I returned to the thread that's all I had in my mind, vivax's case wasn't so convincing over my happiness read. End of day 1 I only had an hour or less to read over and convince myself about tumble being really mafia or if I wanted to switch. Rels allowed me to and I love a good shenanigan for information and tumble was yelling and looked vaguely townie whereas rels just posted responses and no original thought really. Scott did absolutely nothing and yet actually WAS around at the deadline and then vanished which always emotionally makes me think that person is mafia. From a purely vca standpoint he looked mafka and trfel's case i read that and somewhat agreed with it at some point around then iirc.
His play so far probably makes him mafia and there's no spreadsheet still so almost definitely. Unless you're trying to dispute this point in which case I will yell at you for tmi and kill you today.
Any more inconsistencies you want explained good sir? I like nipping things in the bud so you can't perpetually fling shit at me later.
1: No, you threw around a couple of throwaway opinions like "he said things that bugged me" while Trfel showed some evidence and tried to put thought into mindset and comes to the obv conclusion that my vote switch only makes sense if I'm mafia with scott.
2: So why haven't you pushed Scott at all today?
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Ok I got lazy and didn't make giant posts for everybody, just the stuff I felt like noting.
I think this is where I am at.
Town: Trfel - + Show Spoiler + DanelerH - + Show Spoiler +Really feels like newbie town Vivax - + Show Spoiler +total 180 from what I've seen as scum, hasn't dropped a beat even with game looking glim
Probably Town: Palmar - + Show Spoiler +Honestly just feels, nothing besides some erratic voting has raised an eyebrow.
Probably should be a priority filter to review
Null: Geript - + Show Spoiler +Dunno could go either way, need to relook at stuff. Koshi - + Show Spoiler +Doesn't feel like Koshi today. Too complacent I think.
Scum: Tumblewood - + Show Spoiler +I've actually moved Tumble between Scum and Null a couple times now. On the one hand I see a few thoughts I like, but I have problems with Tumble's conclusions. Especially it bugs me again with Tumble's scott read, even in his last list post he's contradicting himself about Scott. + Show Spoiler + not that bad lynches scott (probably the worst of these 4) geript tt palmar
I think 2 or 3 scum are in that second pool. scott and dane can sorta be their own category in the middle if I felt like it, and maybe hf can join them
Calls scott the worst of the "not bad lynches" then puts him kinda null with dane. I feel like Scott is one of his least talked about reads still as well. Holyflare - + Show Spoiler +Whole approach to the game since EoD scream scum to me. Riding a high from getting a blue lynched D1 (I know the feeling, my first mafia game) going right into N1 accusing the town who helped lynch him.
Nothing in his posts since then show real thought or analysis, he's just picked an argument and ran with the easiest path. There was no follow through in analysis or checking other theories.
Not a fan of his uber-defensive post responding to my stuff earlier either. scott31337 - + Show Spoiler +Never really put much into the game, and seems to have just given up. We never got much follow-through from Scott's spreadsheet stuff earlier, and giving up in this position is totally the opposite of the attitude Scott had D1 + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 12:00 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 11:42 Tictock wrote: Scott, whats got you so active this game?
I mean I like it, it's just not what I'm used to. I read the posts I and others made about D1 earlier in the thread. - I never liked d1, but geript's and the one I linked made a lot of sense. You should read them if you have not already TLDR of them - get everyone to not be a null . However it does fit a scum!scott agenda to lay low in a good position and try to bring down town's mood.
Can someone give me a brief rundown of exactly why Palmar is mafia and the current wagon? I never really got exactly why people are voting him.
Personally I'd really like to lynch HF because I know by posting this I am in for a storm.
Scott is probably the safer bet though.
##Vote: Holyflare
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And now I'm gunna afk/go back to Legion for a few hours kus dam that took a bit longer than I hoped.
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On September 03 2016 00:25 Holyflare wrote: I called out Scott's bs spreadsheet, yet he hasn't posted it. I'd know there's no spreadsheet if we're mafia together, he'd post a spreadsheet as town because why would he be lying so really I've actually proven scott is mafia unnecessarily if we're team mates. Did you forget this point when you were trying to slander mt scott pushing?
Scott was very nearly lynched D1 and is basically not playing. Assuming he is indeed scum, I fully expect his teammates to be keeping him in their scumreads while pushing other people. Which is exactly what you've been doing imo.
Quite simply I'm pushing palmar because I've written a lot about him and it's alll feels mixed with bs play. I'm very likely to die tonight since I have actually posted analysis and i don't trust people to not kill him, he'll just start playing after I'm dead conveniently and win.
This is as flimsy as what I've seen you post about me, and half of it is just ego. But I'll double check your filter to see what you posted on Palmar.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 07:28 Holyflare wrote: ego aside (actually no, it's almost entirely ego driven) he's done some weird shit where he basically ignores what I say even though I made a case on the person he voted(????????) TW but sheeped Koshi's one and then said I've done basically nothing while in fact he should have been sharing my reads etc etc
then there's his vote on geript that he's stuck to the entire day and won't change it even though it's quite literally terrible and then he called me mafia at one point and fucked off and never followed it up when the last game where I was actually mafia and he was town he decided to push me and I got lynched
he's basically a flaccid penis palmar instead of a raging hard on of justice Decent point. On August 31 2016 20:23 Holyflare wrote:Have you even read this game or are you just applying random statements to what you think happened? Your vote on geript was bad and made me hesitate. The real question at hand is why on God's earth did you vote rels when he was voting for the lynch YOU wanted?? AND you claim you didn't see him write he was blue?? The point about Rels voting Geript is pretty good actually. That is basically it though, the rest is just kinda talking about lynching Palmar and how he is mafia and stuff.
Also mafia needs mislynches, townies are happy to have town reads, mafia keeps options open and throws shit around, town is decisive. Tumblewood is keeping all options open in this case. Mafia like pushing my filters because my filters are always low content spam posts that enable people to delve deeper, that's my style. I flesh it out with cases eventually which I have been doing. There's nothing to hide.
Koshi's quotes also make me want to vote tumble.
Eh, while agree TW is leaving tons of loose end and is very suspect, I kinda disagree with the bolded in this scenario. This is not every mafia's play-style.
You brought up some ok points about Palmar, but glancing over the exchange I thought Palmar had decent points against you.
I'll look over stuff again here, but there is a decent chance there is mafia between Palmar and HF. I'm not ruling out TvT just yet though, felt like there was some evidence of it.
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On September 03 2016 00:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 23:56 Tictock wrote: Can you explain what is looking worse in Trfel's posts? 1) During EoN he attacks my scott read while ignoring my much more indept Vivax case. I don't understand why he would discredit me by "discussing" my gutread on scott over my well worked out case on Vivax. That was the first red flag. 2) During D2 he hasn't done much but he did this: Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 17:06 Trfel wrote: Well, I have to wake up in three hours, so that's it for me. I tried to do some lazy POE stuff but it didn't end up with anything eye-opening.
In short, I really like DanelerH because in addition to his play feeling honest and open (example that he said he didn't think we could play at night), it doesn't feel like he's playing for survival or for townreads, but rather actually thinking about the game. One example of this is his early scumread on Koshi, another is not caving in to Holyflare's pressure and looking at disformation.
I'm actually not as sure on scott31337 being mafia, his latest series of posts felt more towny due to the emotions. And geript's play has started to feel more and more like I'd expect from him as town; not so much the immediately solving the game part, ut the thought process.
On the other hand, Tumblewood and Tictock feel worse and worse to me. Tumblewood still hasn't done anything really other than that Tictock read, and he hasn't felt very involved at all, or motivated to play the game other than that one burst of activity to survive the lynch. For Tictock, his End of Day seemed really bad, and there was some other stuff which I'm forgetting because I'm too tired, but I dunno. I guess I kind of forgot why I thought he was mafia, I'll have to look at him again later.
Still haven't looked at Palmar at all.... And a bit paranoid of Vivax and maybe maaaaaybe Koshi.
Voting for Tumblewood.
Good night. The second time he repeats that TW and TT look very bad and could be mafia. He has no opinion on Palmar. And then his last post: Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 12:58 Trfel wrote: Palmar feels especially uncaring today. Even worse than before.
If Palmar is town and being mislynched by a Holyflare that he thinks is mafia, I'd expect him to do something about it.
##unvote ##vote Palmar
Koshi, why did you change your read on Vivax to town? Suddenly he +1s on the Palmar wagon. 3) The reason why I said he looked worse and worse is that he doesn't even read posts anymore. Why would he conclude Vivax was in my townlist? He just saw I put down some names and "assumed" those were all mafia? But why didn't he complain about scott being in there then.... Like... Tfrel started strong but his last posts are 100% garbage.
Ok I can kinda see what you are getting at, though I thought his question about your scott read was valid and you kinda dodged it.
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On September 03 2016 00:43 Holyflare wrote: Also because i felt bad for lynching him so upped my effort and the tt inconsistencies drove me on like a puzzle wanting to be solved.
When have I ever been lazy after a lynch?
So not what happened.
You assumed this;
On August 31 2016 06:21 Holyflare wrote:Ticktock did some weird shit: Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote: Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.
I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble. Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:54 Tictock wrote:On August 31 2016 05:51 Rels wrote: I've read Scott geript and tw filter and I want a geript lynch Tumble had some townie reactions not long ago Scott last read list is like exactly mine with my name instead of his name. He could be town for that Geript has done nothing after his two tryhard posts that had inconsistency in it. I think he is the more likely to flip scum FTR I also really dislike the way tt is pushing tumble lynch, he is missing some kind of doubts townie usually have Good, now I feel like my vote on you at the start of the game was justified. Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:57 Tictock wrote: Arg I actually still don't like the shennanie... but then voted rels as soon as he claimed blue
For the record I saw Rel's claim at like :59 and didn't have time to process/change vote.
Even if you assume I am mafia and voted Rels like this you should be asking why I would swap my vote last min after stating multiple times that I didn't want to shennanie. "To get a blue lynched" is the easy answer but why risk it when he was probably getting lynched anyways. The only possible reason is if I was mafia with scott and wanted to make sure he didn't get lynched instead. It would also imply that the 3rd mafia had swapped to Rels already (or was afk) or else why risk the attention.
You don't try to make any of those connections till later and instead post a lot of one liners and respond to stuff like this.
For reference this is all on pg 5 of HF's filter.
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On September 03 2016 01:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 01:19 Trfel wrote:Caught up with the thread. I really don't know what to do Part of me wants to lynch Holyflare because I'm being bad and can't find mafia, part of me wants to say that my townread on scott31337 was bad believe in the spreadsheet thing.... Or maybe just stick with Palmar. I guess just stick with Palmar. Because of that one Holyflare post where Palmar can be town and afk, but he can't be town with a scumread on Holyflare and afk. Need to head out now but I'll be back later. Remember the wagon on scott yesterday? Imo the purest wagon we had all game long. Super low traction on that one and I suspect only townies being on it. But you guys don't want to lynch scott for which I'll bitch post game.
I think it's become clear to me that we probably need to lynch Scott today.
I just have issues with HF staying alive in this game atm kus of some of the shit he is spouting and the low amount of thought he is putting into this game.
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On September 03 2016 02:41 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 01:28 Vivax wrote:On September 03 2016 01:19 Trfel wrote:Caught up with the thread. I really don't know what to do Part of me wants to lynch Holyflare because I'm being bad and can't find mafia, part of me wants to say that my townread on scott31337 was bad believe in the spreadsheet thing.... Or maybe just stick with Palmar. I guess just stick with Palmar. Because of that one Holyflare post where Palmar can be town and afk, but he can't be town with a scumread on Holyflare and afk. Need to head out now but I'll be back later. Remember the wagon on scott yesterday? Imo the purest wagon we had all game long. Super low traction on that one and I suspect only townies being on it. But you guys don't want to lynch scott for which I'll bitch post game. I think it's become clear to me that we probably need to lynch Scott today. I just have issues with HF staying alive in this game atm kus of some of the shit he is spouting and the low amount of thought he is putting into this game.
Ok apparently I forgot to actually vote for HF anyway.
##Vote: Scott
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@HF
Do I think it's possible you are mafia with Scott? Yes.
Is it likely? Sorta, though I think if you are then TW would have to be town.
I'm not really trying to piece together the perfect 3 person team who is lock mafia, just trying to narrow my lynch pool.
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On September 03 2016 03:05 Holyflare wrote: Like it seems like you're picking individual lines and making an entire big deal out of minor points.
You haven't even read the game and you've changed your entire narrative AGAIN.
First I'm not pushing scott then I'm suddenly calling him oit and CONFIRMING him as mafia and then I'm suddenly possibly his partner but you didn't even want to vote him even though you admit the evidence is damning over me....?
What reason is that?
Plz stop with the baseless accusations.
I'm going to have to semi-ignore you otherwise.
I wanted to vote you kus of the reasons I've posted. I think I've been pretty clear.
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On September 03 2016 03:42 geript wrote: If rather lynch vivax or Dane.
What makes you think either are mafia?
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Ugh this game is hard,
We've kinda got Scott, TW, and Dane playing super low volume.
I feel like there is a lot of town in Palmar, HF, Koshi, geript, and Trfel, but unless there is 2 mafia in this group then there is just a ton of town in-fighting going on. Actually the lack of co-operation between this group of players (who have played here for much longer than I have, and presumably know each other decently well) rather does point to there being multiple mafia in there.
Vivax, Trfel, and Dane are really the only people I feel confident in saying are town. So I'd kinda like to know who each of their preferred 2 lynches are, and if anyone thinks they are scum should try to explain to me why.
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Yea, I don't want to lynch Palmar.
I like a lot of his posts, his opinions are original and they have evolved in ways that make sense to me. He also posted his list post almost right after I made all my WoT posts and had quite a few of the same views on the game that I do.
I could be wrong, but I'm not seeing mafia motivation in his play today.
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Humm, you came back to the game posting up a storm basically right when you became the leading wagon again Tumble...
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Maybe this game is as easy as Tumble, Scott, +1 (if all scum are in poor position, geript?)
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On September 03 2016 05:29 Tumblewood wrote: but awfully suspicious huh
timing is convenient yea.
On September 03 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 05:28 Tictock wrote: Maybe this game is as easy as Tumble, Scott, +1 (if all scum are in poor position, geript?) nope I am never ever moving my vote. as soon as you're saying "maybe it's as easy as" you're done
But besides me you'd consider Palmar mafia?
Who are your top 4 town?
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Well apparently Town is just giving mafia this game.
My internet went out before EoD, not that it would have mattered.
I'm kinda assuming scum are playing a semi-decent game and town has by and large just been shit this game. So scum team is probably something like Trfel/Geript/Koshi, with a side order of HF and maybe some after dinner Palmar mints. Regardless, I think we should gtfo before our bill arrives.
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On September 04 2016 04:32 DanelerH wrote:My suspicion of all three of them has increased. It's centered around the Day 1 lynch. Here is a list of the quotes from the semi-final vote count to the final vote count: + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:58 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Vote Count #7]
Votes: - Rels (4) -
Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock, Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood
- Trfel (0) -
disformation
- disformation (0) -
Holyflare, Koshi, geript
- Tumblewood (2) -
Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
- Koshi (0) -
DanelerH
- geript (1) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- TicTock (0) -
Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) -
disformation, Race Bannon
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: - Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched.
Remember, voting is mandatory. Please vote in the voting thread. If the vote count is not accurate or contains errors, please PM a host.
Day 1 will end in (deadline being Tuesday, Aug 30 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)). On August 31 2016 05:58 Tictock wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Rels On August 31 2016 05:58 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote Rels On August 31 2016 05:59 Rels wrote: ##Vote scott On August 31 2016 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Final Vote Count
Votes: - Rels (6) -
Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock, Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood, Tictock, Palmar
- Trfel (0) -
disformation
- disformation (0) -
Holyflare, Koshi, geript
- Tumblewood (1) -
Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
- Koshi (0) -
DanelerH
- geript (0) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- TicTock (0) -
Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) -
disformation, Race Bannon
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: -
Rels is the lynch. Flip post is imminent. In the semi-final count, Scott was about to be lynched. The ones who turned the vote around to Rels were Palmar and Tictock. Each of them gave an explanation for their vote switches. Palmar: + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:59 Palmar wrote: I awitched rather kill Rels than scott On August 31 2016 06:00 Palmar wrote: This has like 1% chance of working but we're sticking with it because he claimed On August 31 2016 07:19 Palmar wrote: yeah I don't have to argue this right now so I'm not going to.
I did not switch after he claimed blue, or if I did it was only because phone posting is slower. I switched, as stated, because of the two options left on the table I wanted to kill Rels over scott.
Tictock: + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote: Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.
I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble. On August 31 2016 05:54 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:51 Rels wrote: I've read Scott geript and tw filter and I want a geript lynch Tumble had some townie reactions not long ago Scott last read list is like exactly mine with my name instead of his name. He could be town for that Geript has done nothing after his two tryhard posts that had inconsistency in it. I think he is the more likely to flip scum FTR I also really dislike the way tt is pushing tumble lynch, he is missing some kind of doubts townie usually have Good, now I feel like my vote on you at the start of the game was justified. On August 31 2016 05:57 Tictock wrote: Arg I actually still don't like the shennanie... On August 31 2016 05:59 Tictock wrote:Fuck it On August 31 2016 06:41 Tictock wrote: I hate myself for caving to pressure.
Sorry Rels. The things that coincide with these posts is that they needed to prevent Scott's lynch. Tictock, after over emphasising shennanigans, used the Blue claim as cover for the vote, then claimed giving into pressure. In Palmar's case, xyr last post states that xe doens't have to argue the vote switch, but then does so anyways. Not only is the timing suspicious, but the explanations are, too (as well as being completely unnecessary).
First off, huh? How was I over emphasizing shenannies if I was saying I was against them? What makes you think my vote had anything to do with the blue claim?
And once again we have someone scum reading myself and Palmar for voting to "save scott" D1, when we don't even know for sure if Scott is mafia.
I'm revoking my townread of you.
@HF
Dude I'm basically ignoring you kus you stopped posting in any reasonable way.
Your oversimplifying my read on you, maybe you could actually use quotes to talk about what I've said that you have issues with.
Nothing you've said about me in anyway means I'm mafia btw. Imo the only thing I've done this game that is possibly mafia indicative is if Scott is mafia, then my D1 vote looks like shit.
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And once again we have someone scum reading myself and Palmar for voting to "save scott" D1, when we don't even know for sure if Scott is mafia.
Honestly given how many people Scum read Scott, and have made associative reads with Scott their Prime reason for scumreading other people, YET his lynch still gained no traction baffles me.
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Yea if it turns out the scumteam is something like Scott/HF/Dane I'd be a little salty I think. Not a team we should lose too, but town doesn't seem to want to work together this game.
We still have a shot at pulling this game out of the hole guys, but we actually need to come together. Town is spending too much time fighting Town I think and mafia are rolling us.
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On September 04 2016 05:21 Holyflare wrote: I see no reason to see that Scott is town. It is also heavily associative but also not too.
I kinda agree with this, but tbh I think a lot of people fall into the category of pushing Scott but not really trying to get him lynched. It's part of what is making this a hard game.
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I'm perfectly fine with a Scott lynch.
If he is town, then well G-fucking-G.
If he is mafia then we get to dig through this giant pile of associations with him!
##Vote: Scott
HF, I'm not gunna sit around in the thread waiting to chat with someone. If you wanna interact then you are perfectly capable of doing so and people will respond to you as they can.
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On September 04 2016 08:48 Trfel wrote: Okay, so I'm going to get a lot of hate for this. But I think I'll use night kill association to say that Holyflare is likely mafia.
Night 1, why did disformation die instead of Holyflare? Both of them claimed cop. Honestly I thought that neither of them were the cop, but of the two, I would have guessed that Holyflare's claim is more likely to be true. But disformation was shot and not Holyflare. Also note that while disformation is a good player, Holyflare is widely known as being one of the best on the site.
Okay, so maybe it was just a really good read from mafia. Then why not kill Holyflare on Night 2? He's one of the only people still playing the game. And again, he's known as an amazing player and can pull town back from multiple LYLOs, and there's minimal pressure on him. Mafia should never leave him alive over a Vivax that made 3-ish posts all night phase and said he was AFKing on scott31337 or geript.
So yeah. I'm not super caught up yet, I'll read things more carefully tonight, but it looks to me like Holyflare is pretty suspicious.
So you would join me and Palmar in murdering HF today if it comes to that?
I'm actually kinda surprised Vivax was killed, though thinking back he was pretty townread and active.
Who are your top 2 lynches and your top 3 town today?
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On September 04 2016 09:04 Holyflare wrote: Are you not the least bit concerned that absolutely nobody wanted to vote him?
You mean Scott?
Yea I mean he's been scum read by so many people, or so many people are kinda just assuming he is scum.
Though I've gone back and forth myself, and tbh I still think there is a chance he is town. Some people like Koshi still townread him as well I think? It's very possible that D1 was all town wagons kus we just had alot of lynchbaity town this game.
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On September 04 2016 16:43 scott31337 wrote: So Vivax died instead of the three smart ones - HF, Palmar, Koshi - that's the first point I've noted.
Scott besides this what is your take on Koshi this game?
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I'm gunna just go with this for a moment, kus I wont be really looking into things till later.
##Unvote
I kinda like this push from Scott.
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On September 04 2016 17:01 scott31337 wrote: Okay. Pretty sure Vivax is dead because he was starting to figure the game out. It's been a crappy weekend so I'm already on a few beers, but this gives me good information.
While NK wifom is always meh, but this was kinda my tinfoil theory as well. It's a little weak but these were some solid posts from Vivax.
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Well apparently I haven't opened Trfel's filter before.
Seeing how it's LyLo I believe it's time I do that.
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Trfel:
Started with Pg4, just skimming for how he approaches lynch. + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:18 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote: fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript. What about his responses make you think he's town? Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him. Yeah, I know.... Bleh, okay. ##unvote ##vote Tumblewood On August 31 2016 05:49 Trfel wrote:I think that scott31337 is a better lynch than Tumblewood. There are some reasons that Tumblewood doesn't look that great, but I don't think that parts of his play make much sense for him to be mafia. Waiting for the last second to flail around, I don't really like I'm not sure that Tumblewood is town. I'm not super torn up if he's lynched. But there are several things that make me doubt. And scott31337 is a decent chance at being mafia. I don't think that DanelerH is a good lynch. On August 31 2016 05:57 Trfel wrote: I'd rather not lynch Rels, I think.
Whats weird to me here is how he caved to what I said and voted TW, also the later explanation about why he preffer's Scott over TW is super long winded without saying anything.
Just to check here were his thoughts coming into that lynch: + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2016 16:50 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 16:44 disformation wrote: Damn. Just missed Rels. Well... @Trfel: you are asking a lot of questions, were you able to reach some conclusions from the answers etc? I think I'm wanting to lynch scott31337. I think that Tictock has been providing a sensible approach to the game and some original thought, and that's enough to override my stupid meta read anyway, because I'm bad at meta when it's not about Palmar. My reasons to think that scott31337 were town basically came down to that I wouldn't think he would want to play the game if he was mafia. But that's pretty dumb. Looking at his play with that aside, he looks like mafia I'll explain more in the near future. I still kind of want to lynch Tumblewood, but he's really carefree, and that's giving me a bit of doubt. I did a brief meta check on the 72 hours game, and he seemed less carefree and more intentional (he was mafia in that game). And his meta read on Tictock is actually a decent read. For the moment, I think I prefer scott31337. Still working on you and geript, but I don't really think I want to lynch either of you? On August 30 2016 17:17 Trfel wrote: Okay, so not sure what geript's up to, but I'm going to bed. I'm not sure about geript, but I'll look at him more tomorrow.
I want to lynch scott31337. He's been decently active, present, and conversational, but his reads don't go anywhere, it doesn't seem like he's been solving the game. This has been said before, I'll try to state it in a simple and clear way.
He started by checking meta on Rels and comparing that to his opening in this game, and voted for Rels. Then he said that Race Bannon could be mafia for his post about PMs. Then he said that "maybe the others have a point" about disformation not having many reads, implying that he's getting a bit suspicious of disformation. Then he says that Palmar's townread on Race Bannon makes sense, but Race Bannon is still in his mafia pool. Then he says he's down for lynching Tumblewood as well.
Then he votes for Tumblewood, with no explanation.
And he still hasn't even said why he thinks Tumblewood is scum. Scott31337 has zero continuity to his reads at all. It doesn't look like he's actually trying to figure out the best lynch but rather saying whatever sounds towny in that instant.
##vote scott31337 There was another post that I felt was skippable. On August 31 2016 04:20 Trfel wrote: I could maybe lynch DanelerH, though. It's just very hard to see him approaching this game from a town mindset. I cannot figure out how he's going about solving the game, the direction of his filter seems to be more just random. The biggest example of that being his latest series of posts, where after voting for geript yesterday, he talks about some random, disconnected stuff today, of no relevance to the lynch.
The only problem is that I could maybe see him being town and not posting many of his actual thoughts, to the point that the progression in what he has posted makes no sense.
That said, the point that Holyflare made on him makes a lot of sense, and his response doesn't seem very interested in figuring out people's alignments.
Kinda meh case on scott, coming from Trfel it's like he doesn't really believe it especially for swaying so easily later on. Actually pretty much all his reads feel wishy-washy.
On August 31 2016 06:31 Trfel wrote: And that's a very, very interesting point on Tictock. Referring ofc to HF's post about me. + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 06:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Final Vote Count
Votes: - Rels (6) - Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood, Tictock, Palmar
- Tumblewood (1) - scott31337
- geript (0) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) - Race Bannon
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: - Slightly coloured for my entertainment. Interesting things to note, Scott WAS around as referenced here: literally at the deadline but DIDN'T vote to save himself??? Not sure if knew was blue and didn't want to vote or just wasn't around, need to look back at cases people have been posting on him
People that voted Rels after he claimed being blue: Don't think I've seen Palmar say a word about Rels but was quite happy to stay off the Tumblewood wagon and afk until rels claims blue?? Ticktock did some weird shit: Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote: Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.
I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble. Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:54 Tictock wrote:On August 31 2016 05:51 Rels wrote: I've read Scott geript and tw filter and I want a geript lynch Tumble had some townie reactions not long ago Scott last read list is like exactly mine with my name instead of his name. He could be town for that Geript has done nothing after his two tryhard posts that had inconsistency in it. I think he is the more likely to flip scum FTR I also really dislike the way tt is pushing tumble lynch, he is missing some kind of doubts townie usually have Good, now I feel like my vote on you at the start of the game was justified. Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:57 Tictock wrote: Arg I actually still don't like the shennanie... but then voted rels as soon as he claimed blue
On August 31 2016 07:15 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 07:10 Holyflare wrote: I'm just really confused by Scott tbh, who posted the better than vivax case on him? The short case on scott31337 was written by me. I'm here-ish, and I'll analyze stuff tonight, but I kinda feel like I need a bit of a break. I'm in agreement with most of the stuff you're saying now though, even though the Tictock point annoys me because I was really starting to think that he was town.
The bolded feels off to me, something about being intrigued and annoyed at the same thing.
Maybe it's more because of the followup in This post is kinda just focused on that one point without really looking at anything else. I liked this read earlier because Trfel seems to be looking at if there is town modivation in what I did. Now I'm noticing the same pattern as before in that read and This other one he made at the same time about Race. It's kinda like Trfel is just having a hard time really calling anyone mafia.
Going back to skimming again, for any pushes or votes.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 01 2016 17:06 Trfel wrote: Well, I have to wake up in three hours, so that's it for me. I tried to do some lazy POE stuff but it didn't end up with anything eye-opening.
In short, I really like DanelerH because in addition to his play feeling honest and open (example that he said he didn't think we could play at night), it doesn't feel like he's playing for survival or for townreads, but rather actually thinking about the game. One example of this is his early scumread on Koshi, another is not caving in to Holyflare's pressure and looking at disformation.
I'm actually not as sure on scott31337 being mafia, his latest series of posts felt more towny due to the emotions. And geript's play has started to feel more and more like I'd expect from him as town; not so much the immediately solving the game part, but the thought process.
On the other hand, Tumblewood and Tictock feel worse and worse to me. Tumblewood still hasn't done anything really other than that Tictock read, and he hasn't felt very involved at all, or motivated to play the game other than that one burst of activity to survive the lynch. For Tictock, his End of Day seemed really bad, and there was some other stuff which I'm forgetting because I'm too tired, but I dunno. I guess I kind of forgot why I thought he was mafia, I'll have to look at him again later.
Still haven't looked at Palmar at all.... And a bit paranoid of Vivax and maybe maaaaaybe Koshi.
Voting for Tumblewood.
Good night. Notice the bolded? nothing new about Palmar then... On September 02 2016 12:58 Trfel wrote: Palmar feels especially uncaring today. Even worse than before.
If Palmar is town and being mislynched by a Holyflare that he thinks is mafia, I'd expect him to do something about it.
##unvote ##vote Palmar
Koshi, why did you change your read on Vivax to town? On September 03 2016 01:19 Trfel wrote:Caught up with the thread. I really don't know what to do Part of me wants to lynch Holyflare because I'm being bad and can't find mafia, part of me wants to say that my townread on scott31337 was bad believe in the spreadsheet thing.... Or maybe just stick with Palmar. I guess just stick with Palmar. Because of that one Holyflare post where Palmar can be town and afk, but he can't be town with a scumread on Holyflare and afk. Need to head out now but I'll be back later. This post is actually terrible. He randomly wants to lynch HF, but he decide's he will stay with Palmar because of something HF said? And where does Trfel end up? On September 03 2016 05:02 Trfel wrote: Don't have time but am sheeping.
Now Trfel did mention that he started back at College so I'll give him some beifit of the doubt that he has less time, but still... where has the passion or care gone?
D1 and into N1 Trfel was at least making cases and reads even if most of them read's like they are afraid to call people mafia.
Yea I don't mind a Trfel lynch at all.
##Vote: Trfel
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On September 05 2016 05:13 geript wrote: TT and Dane trying to play at mylo after being mostly afk. I'm 100% sure neither of them are scum.
On September 05 2016 06:26 geript wrote: It's completely sarcasm. It's just one of those things I've always noticed... that afk scum play more as the game ends not less. IDK which of those two I'm voting for but probably dane.
What? Neither of us have been that afk, in fact Dane and you have basically the same filter length and besides my day or two that I took off to play Legion launch (which I even mentioned was going to happen pre-game) I've been around plenty and have almost as much filter as you and Dane combined.
Also this logic feels backwards to me as neither me or Dane are really being considered for lynch today imo. So why would our coming back to play more now be mafia motivated when as scum we could just lay low still?
If you were going to use this argument on anyone this game it would be Scott, but you don't even mention him...
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On September 05 2016 09:01 Holyflare wrote: Ok, also we can't split our votes today, we actually need to consolidate otherwise we could just flat out lose to last minute switches. If you think trfel is actually mafia then convince me. I didn't think he really was at all and all his lists were pretty much identical to mine day 1 (hence why I never said anything about him).
I find it hard to reason that ticktock suddenly starts scum reading him after using trfel as an example to scum read me on day 2 for trfl's analytical approach vs my not doing anything approach. Suddenly trfl hasn't done anything and was instead wishy washy? I don't buy it.
I also absolutely hate all of Scott's reads (lets be real I'm talking about myself) which are entirely and purely associative based on an unflipped player (trfl), ticktock was also happy to just plonk his afk vote on scott yesterday and then fook off. Scott also just posted multiple vote counts with coloured names that lept to a really strange conclusion and suddenly ticktock is all aboard riding with him when he basically spent an entire cycle SCUM reading me for doing the same thing.
I think ticktock is very likely mafia since he's jumping on all of these opportune things and being incredibly inconsistent and writing all these narratives.
I'm gonna try and make a nice formatted post with evidence and quotes but you guys better play. I can't carry you forever, 100% dead if I get it right today.
Scott is never mafia for comeing back to the game like he did. He's clearly actually trying to solve the game and I doubt scum in his spot ever tries to scum read the people he is pushing.
Come at me HF, prove I'm mafia. Changing my reads and voting like I have is almost never how mafia play imo, but you go ahead and try to show that it is.
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Someone remind me to properly respond to Trfel's posts #1612 and 1613 later on, I'm getting called away and only skimmed them.
This part jumped out at me though:
I forget exactly what the arguments presented against me were. I think that Palmar said something about being "under the radar", which is actually a situation that I tried to avoid by claiming scum at the start of the game (in an attempt to draw attention and be able to interact with people enough before I left for college in case I was busier once college started). But whatever. I think that scott31337 said something about associations with Holyflare, and unflipped association is not a very good argument. I forget if he said anything else or not.
I'm not a fan of the bolded statement here, I think it's more mafia sided thinking than town. Trfel is referring to his opening post here:
On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL. I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row
Now town really will only start that game with a post like this to get reactions from people, and that is how I've been interpreting that post and is part of why I've been townreading Trfel most of the game. Starting the game off by trying to get reactions and push for info is a very towny thing to do, and that is what I thought Trfel was doing.
However claiming that this open was to "not play under the radar" as Trfel is now saying, is much more mafia indicative. Mafia are usually very aware (maybe even nervous) about their opening and try to open in ways that either make them look town or don't draw much attention to themselves. Saying that he claimed scum to stand out then means that he was worried about how he looked at the start of the game.
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On September 05 2016 22:08 Palmar wrote: 8 hours until the lynch, no one is saying anything.
Oh shit, I totally thought we had one more day.
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On September 06 2016 01:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 19:00 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 18:45 Palmar wrote: geript's two long posts are awful. He quotes a bunch of my posts and gives random commentary, then proceeds to make his conclusion some joke about marv.
Also, Rels still afk? wow such caught. Like to elaborate further on the geript thing. It's of special notice that when he is posting, Rels is clearly running away with the vote, and as such, geript should be paying attention to that part of the game, yet all he says about my case is "i am not impressed" without giving any further reasoning about it. In his conclusion he states "Rels is useless as usual" or something like that, which is like the weakest possible stance you can take on the person currently up for lynch. Like I would've been fine if geript's criticism was actually explained, or thought out at all. His long posts really stick out as "I'm gonna quote a bunch of shit and add random commentary so it looks like I'm doing things". Essentially, despite the long form of his posts, what he has done is basically written a glorified list post that looks something like this: On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:
Town HF Koshi Vivax
Leaning Town Trfel
Null Palmar Scott Rels
Scum Tumble RB disfo
Not that lists aren't fine, they're often a good way to gauge where someone stands on a game, but meeeehhh~~~ Also, he completely disregarded my point on RB which I still think is an excellent point. So yeah. geript's entrance is shit. Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 23:21 Palmar wrote:The point is, geript was generally "suspicious" or at least "meh" on most of the things I posted (which is incidentally a very weak stance to take) and then he does this: On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:On August 29 2016 07:29 Palmar wrote: Although just thinking that makes him like super likely to be town. Which kinda sucks, because it's a super "cheap" townread, but there is almost no way Race Bannon makes that post as mafia. Probably true, but I want to lynch him just for bringing it up. Notice the "probably true". He agrees with my logic (and it's perfect logic, my RB read is literlally the best thing in this thread). Geript actually agrees that objectively RB's thought process should lead people to conclude he is town. On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote: Overall: HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual.
and yet he somehow ends up in geript's scumlist. Which basically proves the point that I was trying to make that geript's random commentary is just that, completely random and has no relevance to what he's actually thinking. His summary does not match with his commentary, because he's disassociated from his reads, ie: they're not real because they're not real. He's mafia. This is actually a really, really good day 1 case guys. Get in line. Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 01:12 Palmar wrote:On September 01 2016 00:23 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:-snip- On August 29 2016 10:44 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. waitwaitwait hold on all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia and we're scumbuddies? no way I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post. Willing to townlean you for this though. thank you, I was proud of that read Wait, WTF???? This:
On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. waitwaitwait hold on all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia and we're scumbuddies? no way I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post. Willing to townlean you for this though.
This is a reason to townread someone? That's a pretty fucking terrible reason to think anyone's town. That said: On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. This is really fucking weird pair to be scumreading. -snip- HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. On August 31 2016 05:37 geript wrote:On August 31 2016 05:34 Koshi wrote: Reread TW his last 2 pages and he is giving us nothing... He just plays on emotions. Trying to survive. I'm giving meds in between reading, can you give me like a point by point on why you think he's scum. so I can think about it while I filter him. The worst I found is this. Geript goes WTF on TW, then ends up calling TT's reason to TR somebody terrible. No mention of TW at all here. His comment wasn't as WTF as it looks to be, it's rather ignored to jump to what TT said. Yet geript somehow ends up putting TW as mafia. Later asks somebody to give him a summary for why TW is mafia when he's already supposed to have his own. Can't find any besides an earlier mention of minus points for TW refusing to explain Palmar suspicion.Main point still is that geript had TW as scum for unclear reasons earlier, which he completely forgot around EoD when he wasted his vote on Danieler when he could have at least lynched scott for giving him the heebiejeebies. This here is a very similar (and very valid) point to the one I made on day 1 regarding geript's RB read. The concept is exactly the same: geript doesn't have any kind of internal consistency in his reads. I'm fine with people changing their minds, but this isn't as much changing his mind as it is just him saying random stuff at random times. Show nested quote +On September 05 2016 20:29 Palmar wrote: I'm voting geript.
He has twice shown massive inconsistencies in his own reads.
He has done almost nothing to move the game in whatever direction he wants to take it.
He only comments on the game occasionally, and usually with little impact.
Geript has been extreamly dull to me this game. I recall him having a bit more personality and drive. Votes/pushes have indeed felt pretty uninterested.
Yea I could sheep this.
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On September 06 2016 02:27 Holyflare wrote: Ticktock/geript/scott is probably what I'll go for.
Ticktock's post on you trfel are atrociously opportunistic and don't match what he's said at all. There's also that post i quoted above where he gives reasons for you to be town but in fact says you're mafia for it.
The amount of failure in your ability to understand what I write astounds me. I was quite clearly saying how I interpreted his post before and how that lead me to form an early lead, but what he had said in a recent post countered that line of thought.
It's like you are not even trying to see what my thought process is.
If you think me swapping two of my reads around is opportunistic well then that should be fun for you.
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On September 06 2016 04:38 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 04:31 Tictock wrote:On September 06 2016 01:09 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 19:00 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 18:45 Palmar wrote: geript's two long posts are awful. He quotes a bunch of my posts and gives random commentary, then proceeds to make his conclusion some joke about marv.
Also, Rels still afk? wow such caught. Like to elaborate further on the geript thing. It's of special notice that when he is posting, Rels is clearly running away with the vote, and as such, geript should be paying attention to that part of the game, yet all he says about my case is "i am not impressed" without giving any further reasoning about it. In his conclusion he states "Rels is useless as usual" or something like that, which is like the weakest possible stance you can take on the person currently up for lynch. Like I would've been fine if geript's criticism was actually explained, or thought out at all. His long posts really stick out as "I'm gonna quote a bunch of shit and add random commentary so it looks like I'm doing things". Essentially, despite the long form of his posts, what he has done is basically written a glorified list post that looks something like this: On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:
Town HF Koshi Vivax
Leaning Town Trfel
Null Palmar Scott Rels
Scum Tumble RB disfo
Not that lists aren't fine, they're often a good way to gauge where someone stands on a game, but meeeehhh~~~ Also, he completely disregarded my point on RB which I still think is an excellent point. So yeah. geript's entrance is shit. On August 29 2016 23:21 Palmar wrote:The point is, geript was generally "suspicious" or at least "meh" on most of the things I posted (which is incidentally a very weak stance to take) and then he does this: On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:On August 29 2016 07:29 Palmar wrote: Although just thinking that makes him like super likely to be town. Which kinda sucks, because it's a super "cheap" townread, but there is almost no way Race Bannon makes that post as mafia. Probably true, but I want to lynch him just for bringing it up. Notice the "probably true". He agrees with my logic (and it's perfect logic, my RB read is literlally the best thing in this thread). Geript actually agrees that objectively RB's thought process should lead people to conclude he is town. On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote: Overall: HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual.
and yet he somehow ends up in geript's scumlist. Which basically proves the point that I was trying to make that geript's random commentary is just that, completely random and has no relevance to what he's actually thinking. His summary does not match with his commentary, because he's disassociated from his reads, ie: they're not real because they're not real. He's mafia. This is actually a really, really good day 1 case guys. Get in line. On September 01 2016 01:12 Palmar wrote:On September 01 2016 00:23 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:-snip- On August 29 2016 10:44 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. waitwaitwait hold on all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia and we're scumbuddies? no way I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post. Willing to townlean you for this though. thank you, I was proud of that read Wait, WTF???? This:
On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. waitwaitwait hold on all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia and we're scumbuddies? no way I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post. Willing to townlean you for this though.
This is a reason to townread someone? That's a pretty fucking terrible reason to think anyone's town. That said: On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. This is really fucking weird pair to be scumreading. -snip- HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. On August 31 2016 05:37 geript wrote:On August 31 2016 05:34 Koshi wrote: Reread TW his last 2 pages and he is giving us nothing... He just plays on emotions. Trying to survive. I'm giving meds in between reading, can you give me like a point by point on why you think he's scum. so I can think about it while I filter him. The worst I found is this. Geript goes WTF on TW, then ends up calling TT's reason to TR somebody terrible. No mention of TW at all here. His comment wasn't as WTF as it looks to be, it's rather ignored to jump to what TT said. Yet geript somehow ends up putting TW as mafia. Later asks somebody to give him a summary for why TW is mafia when he's already supposed to have his own. Can't find any besides an earlier mention of minus points for TW refusing to explain Palmar suspicion.Main point still is that geript had TW as scum for unclear reasons earlier, which he completely forgot around EoD when he wasted his vote on Danieler when he could have at least lynched scott for giving him the heebiejeebies. This here is a very similar (and very valid) point to the one I made on day 1 regarding geript's RB read. The concept is exactly the same: geript doesn't have any kind of internal consistency in his reads. I'm fine with people changing their minds, but this isn't as much changing his mind as it is just him saying random stuff at random times. On September 05 2016 20:29 Palmar wrote: I'm voting geript.
He has twice shown massive inconsistencies in his own reads.
He has done almost nothing to move the game in whatever direction he wants to take it.
He only comments on the game occasionally, and usually with little impact. Geript has been extreamly dull to me this game. I recall him having a bit more personality and drive. Votes/pushes have indeed felt pretty uninterested. Yea I could sheep this. I'd rather convince Palmar to switch to Trfel, but if he will not, This will be my #2. I feel the least confident about geript, and that's mostly because Dandel could be mafia instead. The Geript/Dandel reads I feel the weakest on. And if we do switch to Geript, we all do (Koshi/you/me) I want five on it if HF votes for geript as well.
Honestly geript is feeling like a pretty good lynch given his last few posts.
Trfel's last couple defensive posts were kinda meh, and the tone was a little off. I can kinda buy his excuse about being too busy though, though that could be true as either alignment.
I feel pretty good about my townread on Palmar still so I don't mind sheeping him.
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On September 06 2016 04:45 DanelerH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 04:38 scott31337 wrote:On September 06 2016 04:31 Tictock wrote:On September 06 2016 01:09 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 19:00 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 18:45 Palmar wrote: geript's two long posts are awful. He quotes a bunch of my posts and gives random commentary, then proceeds to make his conclusion some joke about marv.
Also, Rels still afk? wow such caught. Like to elaborate further on the geript thing. It's of special notice that when he is posting, Rels is clearly running away with the vote, and as such, geript should be paying attention to that part of the game, yet all he says about my case is "i am not impressed" without giving any further reasoning about it. In his conclusion he states "Rels is useless as usual" or something like that, which is like the weakest possible stance you can take on the person currently up for lynch. Like I would've been fine if geript's criticism was actually explained, or thought out at all. His long posts really stick out as "I'm gonna quote a bunch of shit and add random commentary so it looks like I'm doing things". Essentially, despite the long form of his posts, what he has done is basically written a glorified list post that looks something like this: On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:
Town HF Koshi Vivax
Leaning Town Trfel
Null Palmar Scott Rels
Scum Tumble RB disfo
Not that lists aren't fine, they're often a good way to gauge where someone stands on a game, but meeeehhh~~~ Also, he completely disregarded my point on RB which I still think is an excellent point. So yeah. geript's entrance is shit. On August 29 2016 23:21 Palmar wrote:The point is, geript was generally "suspicious" or at least "meh" on most of the things I posted (which is incidentally a very weak stance to take) and then he does this: On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:On August 29 2016 07:29 Palmar wrote: Although just thinking that makes him like super likely to be town. Which kinda sucks, because it's a super "cheap" townread, but there is almost no way Race Bannon makes that post as mafia. Probably true, but I want to lynch him just for bringing it up. Notice the "probably true". He agrees with my logic (and it's perfect logic, my RB read is literlally the best thing in this thread). Geript actually agrees that objectively RB's thought process should lead people to conclude he is town. On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote: Overall: HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual.
and yet he somehow ends up in geript's scumlist. Which basically proves the point that I was trying to make that geript's random commentary is just that, completely random and has no relevance to what he's actually thinking. His summary does not match with his commentary, because he's disassociated from his reads, ie: they're not real because they're not real. He's mafia. This is actually a really, really good day 1 case guys. Get in line. On September 01 2016 01:12 Palmar wrote:On September 01 2016 00:23 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:-snip- On August 29 2016 10:44 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote: [quote] waitwaitwait hold on all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia and we're scumbuddies? no way I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post. Willing to townlean you for this though. thank you, I was proud of that read Wait, WTF???? This:
On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. waitwaitwait hold on all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia and we're scumbuddies? no way I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post. Willing to townlean you for this though.
This is a reason to townread someone? That's a pretty fucking terrible reason to think anyone's town. That said: On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. This is really fucking weird pair to be scumreading. -snip- HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. On August 31 2016 05:37 geript wrote:On August 31 2016 05:34 Koshi wrote: Reread TW his last 2 pages and he is giving us nothing... He just plays on emotions. Trying to survive. I'm giving meds in between reading, can you give me like a point by point on why you think he's scum. so I can think about it while I filter him. The worst I found is this. Geript goes WTF on TW, then ends up calling TT's reason to TR somebody terrible. No mention of TW at all here. His comment wasn't as WTF as it looks to be, it's rather ignored to jump to what TT said. Yet geript somehow ends up putting TW as mafia. Later asks somebody to give him a summary for why TW is mafia when he's already supposed to have his own. Can't find any besides an earlier mention of minus points for TW refusing to explain Palmar suspicion.Main point still is that geript had TW as scum for unclear reasons earlier, which he completely forgot around EoD when he wasted his vote on Danieler when he could have at least lynched scott for giving him the heebiejeebies. This here is a very similar (and very valid) point to the one I made on day 1 regarding geript's RB read. The concept is exactly the same: geript doesn't have any kind of internal consistency in his reads. I'm fine with people changing their minds, but this isn't as much changing his mind as it is just him saying random stuff at random times. On September 05 2016 20:29 Palmar wrote: I'm voting geript.
He has twice shown massive inconsistencies in his own reads.
He has done almost nothing to move the game in whatever direction he wants to take it.
He only comments on the game occasionally, and usually with little impact. Geript has been extreamly dull to me this game. I recall him having a bit more personality and drive. Votes/pushes have indeed felt pretty uninterested. Yea I could sheep this. I'd rather convince Palmar to switch to Trfel, but if he will not, This will be my #2. I feel the least confident about geript, and that's mostly because Dandel could be mafia instead. The Geript/Dandel reads I feel the weakest on. And if we do switch to Geript, we all do (Koshi/you/me) I want five on it if HF votes for geript as well. Holyflare is voting for Geript.
Did you have any reaction to scotts posting today?
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On September 06 2016 05:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 04:36 Tictock wrote:On September 06 2016 02:27 Holyflare wrote: Ticktock/geript/scott is probably what I'll go for.
Ticktock's post on you trfel are atrociously opportunistic and don't match what he's said at all. There's also that post i quoted above where he gives reasons for you to be town but in fact says you're mafia for it. The amount of failure in your ability to understand what I write astounds me. I was quite clearly saying how I interpreted his post before and how that lead me to form an early lead, but what he had said in a recent post countered that line of thought. It's like you are not even trying to see what my thought process is. If you think me swapping two of my reads around is opportunistic well then that should be fun for you. There is no failure to understand. You said your original read was that his first post was to generate information, something a townie would do. He just explained he didn't have time to play and did exactly that. Your new reasoning is that he was just trying to look food despite: A) Him saying he did exactly what you thought in the first place. B) Vivax explaining how trfl has never opened like that in any mafia game. If I'm wrong please explain how while you consolidate onto the geript wagon.
A) Nope, I thought he was trying to get reactions, not trying to stand out so it looked like he was doing stuff.
B) This is definitely not Vivax explaining how trfl has never opened like that in any mafia game.
I'm still deciding if geript is for sure a better lynch than Trfel.
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Eh yea, I see a couple of ok points in Geripts last couple of big posts, though these were from D2.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2016 13:59 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 07:16 Holyflare wrote: Not voting (4) - geript, TicTock, Tumblewood, Palmar
Kinda says a lot about the state of the game/mafia team. Like unless I'm the only town not voting, I actually expect that most of us are town. TT/TW is a quite possible team. I don't have any good reason for thinking Palmar's town, but I just can't vote for him. He's doing stuff that's way outside of what I usually see even from him. He's not one to give up after trying as scum; but he will say "fuck this game" as town. I really don't know what direction I want to go this game, but I know what direction I don't want to go. I'm assuming that Palmar (or me) will probably be lynched today (me for this post itself), but I really don't care. If Palmar flips scum then fuck it I'll just sheep vote and admit to playing terrible. I'm not seeing it. Game feels to dead to have the scum team entirely inactive (or mostly so) now or at any time. I'm voting feels this game. I think it's Vivax/Dane +1. The third is IDK, almost anyone but I'm guessing one of TT/TW. Part of it is the Vivax/Disinfo bs that happened last night. Part of it is that Vivax is far less active than it feels like he is. Part of it is the Artanis read that he's missed making cases on a variety of people and not because they've already died. Part of it is that his cases he doesn't even terribly hold onto; it's like he could give no fucks about pushing and forwarding his own shit in a game with 3 people who (Palmar, HF, Koshi) who he generally in some way seeks the approval of. Dane because he's the most unnewbie newbie I've ever seen. He's forceful without being confident. He gives polarized reads that go nowhere and lacks uncertainty about anything. I don't feel like I can make a compelling argument for you guys to join me. But everyone else who's town knows that this game feels wrong somehow. Despite there being cases, points aren't really being discussed. It's almost like "Who's Line" where everything's made up and the points don't matter. But this is a Star Wars game. Search your feelings. I don't think we're on the right track; you don't think we're on the right track. On September 02 2016 16:41 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 16:28 Holyflare wrote: Also what do you mean vivax feels less active? He's like the most active guy in the thread?
What's your reason for mafia reading him exactly? That he's just not tinfoil enough? Like he 'feels' like he's super active. Involved in everything, but has a much shorter filter than I'd expect. It's a scumread for Kita btw. It's a lot of little stuff I mentioned. Like usually I've seen him championing read to 'the known' players to push his read. But that's not so much here. It's drop a case. Do a little. Move on to next target. There's no real stubbornness. Like he's active at end of D1 but not really trying to make a decision. Iirc He's also the first and only to discredit end of D1 as useless. Like earlier, we usually really butt heads or I find his reads retarded. This game he's been ok. I think it was only Dane or TW who commented on his odd read mid D1 I think. I get your points on Palmar, but usually even among us vets, there's some disagreement on how to read the game. It's weird I'm defending palmar, but considering the dynamic of my-you-Koshi-vivax on similar pages with palmar kinda aligned but off on a few specifics in an argumentative way that's pretty odd. Usually the odd ball out is town and one in the circle is scum. And it's one in the circle who half keeps feeding the dissension. Here IMO the dissension looks more to come from vivax than Koshi or you.
It's not much but I feel like there are signs of hope in the bolded statements.
However then we have geripts contributions today.
On September 03 2016 06:58 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 06:45 DanelerH wrote:The person I want to look into right now is Geript. Day 1 was the only time Geript was suspicious of Tumblewood. As the game progressed to Night 1, the list xe gave for most likely being Mafia consisted of Tictock, Palmar, Scott, Race, and myself. + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 15:04 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Final Vote Count
Votes: - Rels (6) - Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood, Tictock, Palmar
- Tumblewood (1) - scott31337
- geript (0) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) - Race
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: - HF I think this is a bit closer. Admittedly, quite some time has passed since then, but Geript never claimed suspicion on Tumblewood after the fact. Let's go over changes Geript made to the list: Near the end of Day 2, the two xe was most suspicious of were Vivax and myself. + Show Spoiler +On September 03 2016 03:42 geript wrote: If rather lynch vivax or Dane. Shortly afterwards, xe stated that Palmar was most likely Town: + Show Spoiler +On September 03 2016 03:45 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 03:43 Vivax wrote:On September 03 2016 03:42 geript wrote: If rather lynch vivax or Dane. No you need to make a call on Palmar and stop pussyfooting around his alignment. I think he's town. Assuming there were no other changes to the list, it would probably look something like this: Vivax DanelerH Tictock Scott Despite all of this, Geript voted for Tumblewood. Xe didn't give any reasoning or even a post (except for in the voting thread). Geript, why is this? I'm only voting for this guy. I'm tired of this bs.
On September 05 2016 05:13 geript wrote: TT and Dane trying to play at mylo after being mostly afk. I'm 100% sure neither of them are scum.
On September 05 2016 06:26 geript wrote: It's completely sarcasm. It's just one of those things I've always noticed... that afk scum play more as the game ends not less. IDK which of those two I'm voting for but probably dane.
On September 06 2016 02:51 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 02:30 Palmar wrote: Yeah no scott is not mafia. His activity today basically pulls him off the table.
@trfel no not happening. Try some other target Activity at mylo is alignment indicative. That's a good joke. Either way, I'm voting Dane. You guys can either vote with me or not. Deal with it.
Which are far less than impressive. Especially the "I'm gunna vote this guy regardless of anything else, deal with it." is super shitty in lylo and geript knows that.
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Votes: - scott31337 (3) -
Tictock, Trfel, DanelerH
- Trfel (3) - scott31337 , Tictock, Koshi
- DanelerH (1) - geript
- Palmar (0) -
Koshi
- geript (3) - Palmar, Holyflare. DanelerH
- TicTock (1) - Trfel
Not voting (0) -
[blue] Currently, Trfel is the lynch.
Interesting vote count...
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On September 06 2016 05:32 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 05:28 Holyflare wrote:On September 06 2016 05:27 geript wrote: Koshi, Dane, TT for eog cred You need to consolidate with confirmed town. Vote geript. I bet you end up voting with 2 scum.
On September 06 2016 05:33 geript wrote: Either way fuck this game. I'll be glad when it ends tonight.
Sigh, yet these feel kinda legit imo.
Ugh, I'm bad at this.
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I guess I'll swap too, I have a bad feeling about this though.
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On September 06 2016 05:52 Tictock wrote: I guess I'll swap too, I have a bad feeling about this though.
I guess if we are wrong and we lose it won't be all bad. I'll be able to focus on Legion more!
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On September 06 2016 05:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 05:53 scott31337 wrote:On September 06 2016 05:52 Holyflare wrote:On September 06 2016 05:51 Trfel wrote: If geript and DanelerH are here and willing I would switch to Tictock.
Geript's not even voting to save himself. And I know it's not because the counterwagon is mafia. Tell me why we would switch off geript? If you can't figure it out for yourself, why should I help you? I want him to explain it himself oh infallible reader of trfels
This made me laugh, and thus less nervous about this lynch.
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On September 06 2016 05:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 05:57 Trfel wrote: Okay, I guess I'll just hope that you guys are right and I am wrong then.
Fortunately, betting against myself tends to be a pretty good strategy. this post has convinced me you're the mafia. I'm switching to trfel
Huh, I kinda like that post.
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On September 06 2016 06:05 beentheredonethat wrote: I don't think I fucked up?
Nah you were right Geript was the lynch.
Ugh, I hate when my bad feelings turn out to be correct.
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On September 06 2016 06:07 beentheredonethat wrote: So according to the rules, this game is over :D. But I'm actually not a 100% sure. It's 3-3 after night, so it's over. Right?
Yea, it's over. You can make an endgame post now.
Who was mafia?
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On September 06 2016 06:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 06:07 beentheredonethat wrote: So according to the rules, this game is over :D. But I'm actually not a 100% sure. It's 3-3 after night, so it's over. Right? It's over . Normally host posts the winning team and the obs QT and the scum QT with the endgame post
Dam, I knew you were being too reasonable this game.
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[center]The game has ended. The Empire is victorious. Everyone hail...
Palmar (Greedo the Goon), Holyflare (Dan Deathma, the Godfather), and Koshi (Jill Murderous, the Roleblocker)!
Well... I figured out HF... super wrong about every other scumread.
GG, I guess.
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On September 06 2016 06:09 Vivax wrote: No way I could have brought up that much tinfoil
Eh you were obv town D1.
Too bad more town weren't.
Palmar and Koshi got to basically play sleeper mafia with HF just shitting up the thread.
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On September 06 2016 06:12 beentheredonethat wrote: So here's some stuff I learned from this game:
Role PMs Problem: The VT role PM contained fluff that was different to the in-thread role fluff. Solution: Send fluff in role PMs that is in the OP.
OP Organization Problem: The OP contained of multiple posts that required a lot of scrolling to read. Solution: Most important stuff was located at the bottom. Use spoiler tags to hide "common" rules. Put the most important stuff in a post at the very top of the OP.
Player Signups Problem: Accepting Race Bannon included a risk of having to modkill him for several reasons. I should not have taken that risk. Solution: Do not allow signups from players that have a risk of damaging the game.
Activity Problem: I did not put in an activity requirement as I did not want to wield the ban hammer as a first-time host. The game slowed down rather fast D2 and it was, ironically enough, mainly scum that kept it alive. Solution: Have a harsh activity requirement in future games. Ensure players can and will be active by reviewing /ins more detailed pregame.
Eh activity wasn't THAT bad imo, seems like there was multiple factors that made a lot of town stop playing as much D2 and you really can't create rules to keep life from getting in the way. Besides it's kinda town's role in the game to stay active or risk failing their team, not the Host's.
The rest of these are good lessons to have learned, especially the role PM stuff. Though imo it's kinda bad form for players to try and break a game with shit like that.
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On September 06 2016 06:24 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 06:19 geript wrote: Really though, game was totally unbalanced. That scum team was ridic. If the cop weren't an idiot, then we get a freebie red check in the least. But eh. That sucked. Well that's the thing with RNG, the risk you do take with the names you sign up with. I mean someone I know someone brought up the point I think day 3 why are those three not dead? Race Bannon getting modkilled also hurt town, they lost a mislynch because of that.
Yea this plus Dis outing himself at blue put us in a terrible spot D2.
Though the Rels lynch was pretty bad too, he was a super risky shennanie and generally a bad D1 lynch since he could have contributed more later on in the game.
Yea I think this game was more lost by town that it was won by mafia. Not to say that the mafia team didn't play their role well, just this town made it easy for em. + Show Spoiler +And yes I blame myself due to putting more of my attn into WoW, but I don't regret that choice.
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On September 06 2016 07:08 Tumblewood wrote: I can't write fairly about tictock because he continually pissed me off this game and I was super tunneled on him by the time I died.
Just out of curiosity what did I do that pissed you off so badly?
+ Show Spoiler +I also find it Ironic that I did piss you off when you started out scumreading me for being too nice >.<
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