So after Drazerk, Hassybaby, etc. still haven't made their Dota 2 Mafia game, someone else stepped up to the plate? Well done guys! This looks interesting (and I still cannot commit the time to playing right now).
Just saw the resolution order too:
Untargetable Redirects Roleblocks (competeing roleblocks with resolve at the same time) Protection KP Death Heals Checks
So if you get hit for all your health, but a heal that you received in the same turn would have saved you, you die, because death is resolved before heals? Awww.
On October 10 2016 06:40 beentheredonethat wrote: Ah screw it
/in
I will get a bloody nose from this game as I will be overwhelmed with posts and roles and it's my first themed game ever and I don't play Dota but who cares right?
You do not need to play Dota to understand it at all.
It would help maybe, but it is explained to people like us whom never played.
On October 18 2016 16:06 GlowingBear wrote: I'd play but I don't want to put effort And I don't want to read And I don't have time And I don't want to risk my win rate as mafia
On October 19 2016 01:32 Onegu wrote: we got 5 hours and we need like 2-3 more /in. And yes the number will go up on how many people we need. But I wont push the game back again we will be starting tomorrow.
On October 19 2016 01:32 Onegu wrote: we got 5 hours and we need like 2-3 more /in. And yes the number will go up on how many people we need. But I wont push the game back again we will be starting tomorrow.
On October 20 2016 09:41 Bill Murray wrote: Plus we can see who is gonna read ... or at least how many aren't
I read your poll, but didn't vote. Does that screw things up?
But anyway, good morning. Most notable thing that happened is Iamperfection role fishing. He complains about his role needing healing. And then starts regarding about coordinating claims. So much angst about how to enter the thread he forgets that town way of killing scum is by lynching them. Scum are the ones that depend entirely on roles.
##unvote ##vote: Iamperfection
The WoS/ExO_ gives me a slight town read on Exo: scum reveal their revelations in scumchat. If he were scum and had uncovered a breadcrumb, he wouldn't be yelling so in the thread. It's also far less significant than he thinks. WoS could have been given any of the characters with a shadow (shaman, fiend, etc.) Or even wave (morphing). Still neutral on WoS: defense is not indicative of alignment.
I do want to know why WoS made a semi-claim. What was it supposed to accomplish?
But I don't have a scum read based on it. And Exo is way deep tunneling him. Step back, Exo, and look at other players for a bit. What do you think of Iamp? And BM's list?
On October 20 2016 18:22 Acrofales wrote: Getting scum vibes off Koshi. Based on my recall from a 2-y.o. meta, that means he's probably town.
Also #dedgaem
That doesn't make any sense.
Does too.
Town!koshi doesn't give a shit what he posts, he just wants to solve the game. Ends up posting weird insinuating crap that doesn't really help anybody.
Scum!koshi does give a shit about what he posts, and makes sure his posts are good quality.
Town!koshi looks like scum right from the start. Scum!koshi means I need a bit more time to figure out he's scum. Your pants on head post speculating about why WoS is scum unless he hard claims Dazzle right now is one of those posts that fits in the first bucket, not the second.
On October 20 2016 14:18 Bill Murray wrote: TLDR ritoki is probably town because i see ritoky + hopeless interaction as town/maf interaction and i think WoS is being mafcoached by hopeless
that leaves me here town: bill , i am perfection, exo, ritoky, kurumi scum: WoS, hopeless1der
i am NOT doing null this game so if my scum list exceeds 10 people or more i dont give a flying **** these are just my opinions
now that i have A READ, i can just skip the next couple pages, kkthx
Are the people with Ls next to their name just going to come into the thread and say nothing at all other than to troll? Maybe tell me what you think about WoS entrance and behavior so far
maybe, what you gonna do about it champ?
This is the worst part about this game, the people who won't actually make any attempt to play. Like it frustrates me to no end when people just troll and somehow they get passes.
Why even play if you're just gonna sit around acting smug and mocking people. At least try to solve the game please idiot.
On October 20 2016 09:21 Hopeless1der wrote: [quote] I'd argue I was the most useful of the trolls, trying to set up a fight against roshan, but hey, you do you scummer.
so you think he is scum just because he said you are scum?
Yeah, the omgus defense...i think i was pretty transparent about it.
now that i have A READ, i can just skip the next couple pages, kkthx
Are the people with Ls next to their name just going to come into the thread and say nothing at all other than to troll? Maybe tell me what you think about WoS entrance and behavior so far
maybe, what you gonna do about it champ?
This is the worst part about this game, the people who won't actually make any attempt to play. Like it frustrates me to no end when people just troll and somehow they get passes.
Why even play if you're just gonna sit around acting smug and mocking people. At least try to solve the game please idiot.
Dumb reaction. If he's town (which I think) and genuinely pissed, then making fun of him will not help a town atmosphere to rise. Instead, it will just piss the guy more off.
So either dumb reaction, or you're scum trying to piss off town.
now that i have A READ, i can just skip the next couple pages, kkthx
Are the people with Ls next to their name just going to come into the thread and say nothing at all other than to troll? Maybe tell me what you think about WoS entrance and behavior so far
maybe, what you gonna do about it champ?
This is the worst part about this game, the people who won't actually make any attempt to play. Like it frustrates me to no end when people just troll and somehow they get passes.
Why even play if you're just gonna sit around acting smug and mocking people. At least try to solve the game please idiot.
Dumb reaction. If he's town (which I think) and genuinely pissed, then making fun of him will not help a town atmosphere to rise. Instead, it will just piss the guy more off.
So either dumb reaction, or you're scum trying to piss off town.
Nice reaction again! Welcome to my list of "scum or incredibly bad".
Okay, let me explain. Not everybody plays the game the same way. Some people are here to just have fun, and being all tryhard is no more townie than posting oneliners. It's a playing style. And scum can tryhard just as well as town, especially on D1.
Do I think Exo is town? Maybe. I honestly don't know how much experience he has, but the vibe I get is more newbie town than anything else. But he should lighten up. And so should beentheredonethat (who I am not really getting town vibes on. Thread police is a role scum loves to take).
On October 20 2016 18:22 Acrofales wrote: Getting scum vibes off Koshi. Based on my recall from a 2-y.o. meta, that means he's probably town.
Also #dedgaem
That doesn't make any sense.
Does too.
Town!koshi doesn't give a shit what he posts, he just wants to solve the game. Ends up posting weird insinuating crap that doesn't really help anybody.
Scum!koshi does give a shit about what he posts, and makes sure his posts are good quality.
Town!koshi looks like scum right from the start. Scum!koshi means I need a bit more time to figure out he's scum. Your pants on head post speculating about why WoS is scum unless he hard claims Dazzle right now is one of those posts that fits in the first bucket, not the second.
but koshi never helps anybody, never good quality, always pants on head
how does i read
Missed this. You read like a filthy LoL player. As to your alignment, no clue. Sorry.
On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.
Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k?
This it?
Or thinking I'm doing anything other than attempting to enjoy myself :D
Anyway, I have some clarifications from the hosts regarding mechanics. This game gonna be complicated. For starters, I cannot move of my own volition. I'm going out on a limb here and thinking most people are like that. So we're going to have to coordinate things like force staffs. For the record, I don't have one, or any other item.
Can items be dropped/picked up or otherwise passed around?
On October 20 2016 23:23 iamperfection wrote: Take take Holyflare all hyped up for the game trying to get more ins and then not playing.
Might direct damage at him
ill block it then
Why would you block it. What possible reason could you have.
I don't. You don't, so we're even.
Are you trying to trigger me. Holyflare not completely trash player excited to play pre not playing worth killing
You are picking Holyflare over Lord Tolkien or Hopeless1der or beentheredonethat? I am supposed to be the insane one.
Yes. I actually didn't mind LT's single action so far and want to see more. H1der I don't really have a read on, but he has at least been around enough to ask questions of (at one point). You can say what you like about btdt, but he's not lurking. Convince us to lynch him if you think he's scum.
Holyflare is a great target for damaging. He has one shitty post with a throwaway reason for voting. He is a better player than that.
On October 20 2016 23:23 iamperfection wrote: Take take Holyflare all hyped up for the game trying to get more ins and then not playing.
Might direct damage at him
ill block it then
Why would you block it. What possible reason could you have.
I don't. You don't, so we're even.
Are you trying to trigger me. Holyflare not completely trash player excited to play pre not playing worth killing
You are picking Holyflare over Lord Tolkien or Hopeless1der or beentheredonethat? I am supposed to be the insane one.
Yes. I actually didn't mind LT's single action so far and want to see more. H1der I don't really have a read on, but he has at least been around enough to ask questions of (at one point). You can say what you like about btdt, but he's not lurking. Convince us to lynch him if you think he's scum.
Holyflare is a great target for damaging. He has one shitty post with a throwaway reason for voting. He is a better player than that.
You see nothing wrong in claiming KP and claiming your target so early? Besides it being on the wrong person.
Ok, I am at least convinced we currently have higher priorities than Iamp. Not convinced he's town, but am convinced it is easier to figure it out later rather than lynch him now.
On October 21 2016 00:01 Acrofales wrote: Ok, I am at least convinced we currently have higher priorities than Iamp. Not convinced he's town, but am convinced it is easier to figure it out later rather than lynch him now.
##unvote
Why are you posting things that aren't votes for Kurumi do you think he is town?
No. But playing erratically is pretty much Kurumi's thing. So not particularly convinced he's scum either.
If nobody has a better plan, can I be force staffed to position 4 by the end of the phase? I can then choose whether I hit Vivax or Holyflare. That's awesome. They'll be dead in like 10-12 phases. Promise.
On October 20 2016 23:26 iamperfection wrote: [quote] Why would you block it. What possible reason could you have.
I don't. You don't, so we're even.
Are you trying to trigger me. Holyflare not completely trash player excited to play pre not playing worth killing
You are picking Holyflare over Lord Tolkien or Hopeless1der or beentheredonethat? I am supposed to be the insane one.
Yes. I actually didn't mind LT's single action so far and want to see more. H1der I don't really have a read on, but he has at least been around enough to ask questions of (at one point). You can say what you like about btdt, but he's not lurking. Convince us to lynch him if you think he's scum.
Holyflare is a great target for damaging. He has one shitty post with a throwaway reason for voting. He is a better player than that.
You see nothing wrong in claiming KP and claiming your target so early? Besides it being on the wrong person.
pretty sure everyone (or at least close) has basic KP so why not?
1) I didn't know that. 2) Openly claiming KP might let Mafia protect or stack on the person KP is claimed on. If I remember the scraps of the OP I read correctly, we won't get any information in regards to that. 3) If this claim is to make Holyflare post it's dumb. He's not around. Even if he was, he would most likely ignore it. It's not newb101 who's going to get baited.
i he keeps being afk and we attempt to policy kill a town HF mafia stacking kp on him is benificial to our goals (aka they won't) if he doesnt thats way better if hes mafia and they protect him somehow we can just lynch him
i dont see the downside tbh
if everyone just basic attacks a different guy we'll never get enough damage together to flip a guy
Thing is I remember there being doto heroes getting stronger through killing people. No idea if items exist or how they work, but we might also donate these to Mafia. You want to lynch him - fine, but as it stands he looks like a piss poor lynch.
Iamperfection claimed he needs heals to be effective. That reeks of Abaddon or Pudge. Pudge does also get stronger from kills. So maybe don't allow Iamp to kill shit until we are surer of his alignment.
On October 20 2016 23:33 iamperfection wrote: [quote] Are you trying to trigger me. Holyflare not completely trash player excited to play pre not playing worth killing
You are picking Holyflare over Lord Tolkien or Hopeless1der or beentheredonethat? I am supposed to be the insane one.
Yes. I actually didn't mind LT's single action so far and want to see more. H1der I don't really have a read on, but he has at least been around enough to ask questions of (at one point). You can say what you like about btdt, but he's not lurking. Convince us to lynch him if you think he's scum.
Holyflare is a great target for damaging. He has one shitty post with a throwaway reason for voting. He is a better player than that.
You see nothing wrong in claiming KP and claiming your target so early? Besides it being on the wrong person.
pretty sure everyone (or at least close) has basic KP so why not?
1) I didn't know that. 2) Openly claiming KP might let Mafia protect or stack on the person KP is claimed on. If I remember the scraps of the OP I read correctly, we won't get any information in regards to that. 3) If this claim is to make Holyflare post it's dumb. He's not around. Even if he was, he would most likely ignore it. It's not newb101 who's going to get baited.
i he keeps being afk and we attempt to policy kill a town HF mafia stacking kp on him is benificial to our goals (aka they won't) if he doesnt thats way better if hes mafia and they protect him somehow we can just lynch him
i dont see the downside tbh
if everyone just basic attacks a different guy we'll never get enough damage together to flip a guy
Thing is I remember there being doto heroes getting stronger through killing people. No idea if items exist or how they work, but we might also donate these to Mafia. You want to lynch him - fine, but as it stands he looks like a piss poor lynch.
Iamperfection claimed he needs heals to be effective. That reeks of Abaddon or Pudge. Pudge does also get stronger from kills. So maybe don't allow Iamp to kill shit until we are surer of his alignment.
look maybe i dont know shit about doto champs so i cant speak to that
but we can potentially have enough combined dmg to vig a scummy (or at least a useless) dude every night essentially if we do it right we get a bonus lynch per cycle that cant be that terrible im pretty sure it's better than some people getting some minor bonuses im pretty sure it's worth that one time we get screwed with, we can just do it all over again
worst case we end up lynching the scummies and shooting lurkers. you'll note that this worst case is not very bad. because i dont think it is.
unless you think theres something completely crazy that could happen but i actually think this game isn't going to be too wild, that's host wifom tho
Not being able to hit anybody who isn't next to you in the player list kinda puts a damper on that.
On October 21 2016 00:55 Holyflare wrote: 100% dumb.
Talk about people that are mafia and people can figure out what they want to attack themselves. You're giving mafia perfect opportunity to skate by.
We put all the kp on one person. They redirect all that kp on me. Who cares we now know hes mafia for the rest of the game and can act accordingly. If we kill a town who cares. Its a town who was not cooperative and now we are stronger. That kp would have mostly gone on other towns anyway
This post reeks of scum
Huh? Other than him having a wrong conclusion, I don't see the problem. Why would scum redirect damage onto someone who is shitty. They redirect onto strong townies they want dead.
Dealing damage into a pool is safer in terms of how they can (ab)use town damage. It is also less useful, but still more useful than everybody just hitting whoever they feel like with no accountability at all.
Moreover, a clever scumteam doesn't only redirect off themselves. They can also redirect off a poor townie to a strong one, in order to mindfuck town. I have done it myself plenty.
On October 21 2016 01:10 sicklucker wrote: I cant acualy think of any busdriver dota 2 lore tho. I cant think of a hero that makes sense on. Dont mean there is none tho
Well, there not being any dota abilities that have obvious redirects doesn't mean they don't exist in this mafia game. Especially given the mechanics specifically mention redirects. Blademail would be a PGO not a bus driver, I'd think.
On October 21 2016 01:30 Dandel Ion wrote: lets talk ptmc's #544 (soz cant link atm just look it up bois it his last post) i thought it was fine at first but i like it less and less
basically repeats btdts content with something thats not exactly relevant to the situation but that looks like it is.
Good catch. In fact, his entire filter reads like he's trying to blend in. Follows the "bandwagon" on WoS, then agrees with the pressure on lunatic. His whole filter is bland and useless. Would lynch.
Heading for modkill: Rels Vivax (policy lynch anyway!) Eversince
Not liking: Skynx (overaggressive and useless) Tubesock (sorta present, but useless lurking) ptmc (see above) Glowingbear (useless) Koshi (scumvibe from posts #429, #541. Oddly defensive and useless about his reads in other posts)
On the fence: WoS (playing weird, no substance, but in the spotlight) iamperfection (fishing, improved later) btdt (too much thread police, do like some of his posts)
Town: DI (is reading filters and having astute observations about them) ExO_ (tryhard newbie town) Kurumi (get a good vibe)
im kind of curious about ritoky but that might just be off and i could be wrong. just a gut feeling something is wrong with one or two posts he made. one of him or hopeless will prob be maf - i dont think both are maf given their interactions. even i could be wrong ..i dont think i am
On October 20 2016 14:18 Bill Murray wrote: TLDR ritoki is probably town because i see ritoky + hopeless interaction as town/maf interaction and i think WoS is being mafcoached by hopeless
that leaves me here town: bill , i am perfection, exo, ritoky, kurumi scum: WoS, hopeless1der
i am NOT doing null this game so if my scum list exceeds 10 people or more i dont give a flying **** these are just my opinions
I was all ready to say bm kinda looked ok for the first quote after all but then he's making really weird leaps and his thoughts aren't congruent and look like setups for later.
Would probably lynch too.
BM always looks like that. He always makes bizar logic leaps that just look bad. I just ignore him on d1.
On October 20 2016 13:03 Lord Tolkien wrote: If you aren't on this list and I haven't played with you, please let me know so I know I can lynch you today.
Its like he's trying to be Palmar and people ignore him and he just walks off.
Why does that suck though? What about it makes you think anything more than policy?
It's not about policy at all, I dunno where you got that from. He's putting himself in this almighty position by suggesting bunch of lynches out of nowhere not seemingly in a bantery manner and when he doesn't get any audience he's out of here. When I play D1 early on its fine to banter but there is a difference here, he's not saying 'hey ritoky I'm gona 100% lynch you D1", instead he's like "Alright I'm not gona read the game, here s my lynches cya kk thx".
Ignore the meta bit I suggest here but when Palmar does this shit everyone tells me to back off because he's a good player and I had to put up with that for some reason. I don't have any opinion on LT so fuck that here.
Idk, while it doesn't seem like the most pro-town perspective in the game, it is one I can understand and empathize with. As someone who doesn't play mafia anymore (and definitely is done after this game) I can sympathize with seeing a player list of half ppl you don't know and don't particularly want to get to know cuz it is irrelevant to your future. Try to solve the world you know rather than figure out a bunch of new shit.
So I guess I don't understand why his approach is specifically bad. I can understand why it qualifies him as policy lynch for inactive or not trying, but I fail to see where it is distinctly anti-town.
Agreed. I read it and agreed with the sentiment. It's not indicative of alignment, though. He's just a null lurker so far.
On October 21 2016 05:34 ritoky wrote: town is something like: ritoky holyflare iamp btdt exo ptmc kurumi hopeless dandel wos
Lol. Why are btdt, h1 and WoS in there?
btdt has the highest activity and town anger/tryhard
h1 cuz he sincerely told exo to get the fuck out of his tunnel...also he showed read progression on me which could have pocketed me to some degree
wos because of his flippant attitude
I like the read on me of course but what makes you so certain hopeless and Btdt are sincere?
with hopeless i see no particular scum motivation for trying to dig exo out of a tunnel. you could argue pocket, but it didn't read like that. if they're teammates he tells exo to stop tunneling in qt. if hopeless is mafia and exo is town he just let's exo tunnel away like he is prone to do and let exo bury someone or bury himself.
On October 21 2016 11:49 Acrofales wrote: It's 4:30 AM and I'm awake because bed bugs wanted to eat me. I am angry and a bit delirious. Who wants to chat.
If tictock's stream of consciousness is real, he feels townie. Still deciding if real or clever scum-ploy.
post your spreadsheet
Is that allowed? I thought that got forbidden after Chrono trigger mafia.
On October 21 2016 11:49 Acrofales wrote: It's 4:30 AM and I'm awake because bed bugs wanted to eat me. I am angry and a bit delirious. Who wants to chat.
If tictock's stream of consciousness is real, he feels townie. Still deciding if real or clever scum-ploy.
post your spreadsheet
Is that allowed? I thought that got forbidden after Chrono trigger mafia.
do what i did
I have a list post. It's still mostly up to date.
I'd be happy with lynching any of the following:
Lunaticman Glowingbear Hazura Tako bell Tubesock
All for being useless lurkers.
Would also lynch
Koshi: abrasive, but useless. No reads of his own. No pressure Ptmc: blending
In regards to the whole WoS claiming thing... idk it all feels overblown to me. I think he started making the other "claims" kinda as a joke after Exo made his entrance. I guess it's possible he's scum, but I'm not really seeing it.
Only person who basically (mostly) nailed exactly what I did and I don't like how nobody but him seemed to pick up on it and he does so with relative ease.
Actually I'm not sure if that says more about Exo than him tbh.
I should probably go back and read iamps diarrhea explosion list
Also Acro you have bedbugs? My brother had those. He left half his stuff in a bag in the garage for months and wouldnt go get it
Yeah. We moved into this flat before we realized it was infested. Moving out next week and we'll get the exterminator to spray out shit with poison, but we are also afraid of taking them with us. They are a fucking plague
On October 21 2016 12:23 iamperfection wrote: do you think im right about exo?
Are you stumbling over his preemptive excuse for afk? Don't really see a problem with the heads up. Which reminds me: post the stream so I can watch some Civ6. Please show some immortal+ AI so I can decide whether to buy!
On October 21 2016 12:23 iamperfection wrote: do you think im right about exo?
No. I read ExO_ as a green around the ears green guy.
because you dont think scum come in when they see a crumb like that... but scum also like to hop on possible mistakes by town and make big deals about them then they really are
Yeah. I commented on my feels about that a couple of pages of my filter back. Just not getting that vibe.
On October 21 2016 12:35 WaveofShadow wrote: And thoughts on ptmc now?
And exo, take a hint
I think he wants you to maybe be useful and stop focusing on me for absolutely nothing
just a thought
you know
a little advice
Can we just clear it up then, why did you open the way you did? Was there a reason for fake claiming a protective role or what? Don't just be hostile and dismissive towards me, work with me a bit
He already claimed he didn't crumb Dazzle. So whatever he was hinting at, your assumptions are wrong about what he was claiming and why he was claiming it. He also gave his reasons for claiming, which don't make a lot of sense to me, but ppl do nonsensical shit all the time. So let's climb out of the tunnel on that one post? Has WoS done anything else that you think makes him mafia? How bout other people?
Good morning. I crashed and am now awake and heading to work. Rather than pick the usual suspects, I am focusing on my acquaintances: and H1 was null in my sheet, so I opened that filter up. I think there's a good chance he's the best chance we have so far at lynching scum d1, and here's why: He has done nothing of consequence. Scum H1 is a worse lurker than town H1, and the lurk is pretty bad in this one.
On October 20 2016 09:36 Bill Murray wrote: Yeah well it's early not everyone has posted
aww so you mean i could have just lurked and never posted and I'd have won the game?! well shit....but what about ritoky tho? pretend i said "bill" instead of "lamp" in one of my posts asking about him if that helps.
Looks like a scum slip. Town doesn't win the game ever by lurking until lylo. Let's kill him. Not just because of this, but because his entire filter is a big pile of trash.
On October 20 2016 10:46 ExO_ wrote: Hello all. I hate day 1 but I'll be here. I'm ready for all the baseless analysis that always goes on. I have not really read the thread yet, but the first thing I notice is:
On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.
Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k?
For those that aren't aware he's referencing the hero dazzle, who has an ability called shadow wave. Dazzle also has an ability called shadow grave, which prevents people from dying. So to anybody who's vaguely familiar with dota, he's basically coming out immediately and claiming some form of doctor.
I don't think the doc should come in and announce themselves right away. This looks hella scummy to me.
Oh the irony
What do you mean exactly?
The part where you publicly outed the "doctor". This is a heavily themed and power-heavy game btw.
Except that he didn't publicly out the doctor. Relying on scum being stupid and ignorant is never going to be a winning strategy, so this is just throwing shade.
After that he flip-flops on ExO_ a bit before he backpedals and soft-coaches ExO_. He then claims and fucks off for 20hrs. His re-entry is to do nothing and promise to play today.
There's a chance this is all just uncertain townie trying to figure it out, but it just doesn't feel that way to me. Add that to the lurk and I really want to murder H1. Let's do it!
On October 20 2016 09:36 Bill Murray wrote: Yeah well it's early not everyone has posted
aww so you mean i could have just lurked and never posted and I'd have won the game?! well shit....but what about ritoky tho? pretend i said "bill" instead of "lamp" in one of my posts asking about him if that helps.
The bold bit. Town doesn't win by avoiding getting lynched, that be scum that can win that way. Town can be NK'd, or worse, left alive as that one scummy town lurker for the easy lylo mislynch.
It's not evidence of scum on its own, as H1 is responding sarcastically to BM's flippant ignoring of the non-posters. But it is another drop in the bucket of of his scummy play style.
On October 21 2016 17:18 ritoky wrote: What is the scumslip?
On October 20 2016 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 20 2016 09:36 Bill Murray wrote: Yeah well it's early not everyone has posted
aww so you mean i could have just lurked and never posted and I'd have won the game?! well shit....but what about ritoky tho? pretend i said "bill" instead of "lamp" in one of my posts asking about him if that helps.
The bold bit. Town doesn't win by avoiding getting lynched, that be scum that can win that way. Town can be NK'd, or worse, left alive as that one scummy town lurker for the easy lylo mislynch.
It's not evidence of scum on its own, as H1 is responding sarcastically to BM's flippant ignoring of the non-posters. But it is another drop in the bucket of of his scummy play style.
..........That is so far from what I would qualify as a scum slip....
On October 21 2016 18:07 ritoky wrote: So why are 2 of you here but neither said shit about my cases.
Because you wrote a page of text to say they are useless lurkers. Something WoS, I, and most of the rest of the thread had concluded pages and pages ago.
See here:
On October 21 2016 01:53 Acrofales wrote: List post!
Heading for modkill: Rels Vivax (policy lynch anyway!) Eversince
Not liking: Skynx (overaggressive and useless) Tubesock (sorta present, but useless lurking) ptmc (see above) Glowingbear (useless) Koshi (scumvibe from posts #429, #541. Oddly defensive and useless about his reads in other posts)
On the fence: WoS (playing weird, no substance, but in the spotlight) iamperfection (fishing, improved later) btdt (too much thread police, do like some of his posts)
Town: DI (is reading filters and having astute observations about them) ExO_ (tryhard newbie town) Kurumi (get a good vibe)
On October 21 2016 11:49 Acrofales wrote: It's 4:30 AM and I'm awake because bed bugs wanted to eat me. I am angry and a bit delirious. Who wants to chat.
If tictock's stream of consciousness is real, he feels townie. Still deciding if real or clever scum-ploy.
post your spreadsheet
Is that allowed? I thought that got forbidden after Chrono trigger mafia.
do what i did
I have a list post. It's still mostly up to date.
I'd be happy with lynching any of the following:
Lunaticman Glowingbear Hazura Tako bell Tubesock
All for being useless lurkers.
Would also lynch
Koshi: abrasive, but useless. No reads of his own. No pressure Ptmc: blending
There's definitely scum hiding in that list of loonie, gb, hazmat and tubesock. We can now add Vivax to that list, who I will happily lynch now that he won't be modkilled (/sadface).
On October 21 2016 19:16 Dandel Ion wrote: sup ill actually try to read the 12 pages or so im behind on but if anybody distracts me from that i'll townread them for preserving my sanity.
so like feel free
Meh, last 12 pages are just me being sleep deprived. Lynch H1der.
On October 21 2016 20:33 Dandel Ion wrote: skynx, i just dunno man
he blatantly kind-of-soft-defends koshi, and it actually looks shitty enough that i think he's serious about it i dont like that he thinks iamps filter has nothing i dont like that his problem with tubesocks reads are that they "come out of nowhere" (#871 cant link deal w/ it), and not the content (i remind that two of the three were essentially 'exo for what other people said' and 'wave for tone'), or even the fact that they're just TRs. i dont mind the LT read actually i dont like the thread policing, but maybe thats meta nowadays, lots of newbies i dont reckognize do it so w/e take it or leave it.
just post way more so i can make up my mind kthx
Oh man. You see, lurking works. I totally forgot that shit was in the game. Add him to the list of loonie, gb, hazbro, vivax and tubesock. Man, town lurkies need to step it up, because all of those look like shit atm, and they can't all be scum. Right?
On October 21 2016 08:58 Hopeless1der wrote: can someone explain scum!koshi meta, or point me to which games I ought to be concerned with?
Palmar Themed Game And then the last 2 minis that weren't newbies, both hosted by btdt.
Also the last 3 games I played. Also the reason why btdt and Luna got a thing for me now.
Lets try this. Luna and btdt are both triggered by you playing the same style. How about you tell me how your style is different today, and then I will go figure out who I agree with?
Hopeless' arguing feels town Exo prob town for his interaction with Wave Wave's arguing feels town Iam feels scum likes BM's post about Wave/Exo dislikes HF dislikes me for my post on Wave likes Acro dislikes Dandel's return on pg 23 as well as all his shitposting, but feels he has some good posts says it is normal to not like sicklucker
votes ritoky for meta-reads dislikes coordinated attacks dislikes sicklucker dislikes koshi for only town-reads and then going afk wary of wave, since he is only coasting dislikes the same post that ticktock likes by BM dislikes more posts by BM, but downgrades to a maybe mafia because he could just be retarded Thinks Skynx has a shit filter Thinks lunatics filter is scummy thinks i'm on point thinks ritoky hedges a lot dislikes that GB only placeholder-votes for ritoky dislikes ticktock for his general style and liking BM's post
needs a healer wants to coordinate slightly town on ritoky townreads hopeless, acro, wave, btdt thinks acro is bad tho thinks koshi could be town for tone dislikes HF's lack of activity, gets in argument with Kurumi about it dislikes Kurumis defense of HF and pushes for votes on him agrees with HF's assessment of BM
Lists all his reads, null: Tubesock, no interactions with the thread Acro, now has a bad feeling about his posts Kurumi, "nothing he does makes sense to me" Lunaticman, "I dont fucking now" BM, doesn't want to read his filter Holpess, ain't doing shit, no longer tr Ticktock, dislikes his post on BM, but waiting to see what he does me, I voted for him and now vote for Wave because he plays sub-optimally, I might be scum scum: GB: scum, doesn't do anything LT, lurker with only trash posts Skynx: doesn't try to lynch mafia Exo: unnatural tone, only talks about Wave, vote on Dandel lurker: Eversince, Vivax, Rels
Votes Exo, direkting KP towards Lurkers or GB
Wave calls iamp out for not having LT in his list, copies the same reason as he had in his list again Tries to get Exo out of his tunnel
claims Bloodseeker wants coordination HF leans town Acro is mafia (soul reading) dislikes GB not sold wave is town iamp is town, because he townread sl and hf now does not want to stack kp
Exo's post on Wave feels towny Dandel is only posting shit, votes him likes acros, dislikes Lunatics vote (disinterest or scummy) Koshi is wishy-washy, might be scum tries to keep the thread clean, towny tone scumleans dandel, but will not push him atm starts to push koshi instead votes koshi
calls Koshi scum for still only being reactive Sees even dandel trying to solve the game, but not koshi dislikes sicklucker dislikes iamp: not much content, soft koshi defense dandel sucks again sticks on Lunatic as well, no longer wants Wave dead, Iamp instead. Says BM's weird posts fit his meta back to disliking Wave for dodging questions
Calls out Wave for (fake) claiming Dazzle dislikes the way Wave follows up on his claim Dislikes how Dandel clutters the thread, changes vote to dandel slight town lean on ritoky
not a lot of variance in his filter, but I like that he sticks with his read. -> town lean
Koshi is "obviously" scum does not want to clutter the thread btdt gets a tone town read not sure on HF gets sr by HF, now HF is scum for defending Koshi
I wanted to sr him, but he makes good sense in his defense and provided arguments for his reads -> town lean
Likes Acro, Exo, Wave, not sure who to lynch dislikes Koshi, Hamazura, and vivax' inactivity unsure on GB, doesn't see why people scumread SL while also wanting to consolidate asks people for their reads might end up on me, tries to decide about Koshi hasn't had his eureka moment that gets him productive
Kurumi is trolling shitposts for days gut feeling on ritoky, one of him and hopeless will be mafia (but he could be wrong) Wave is probably scum, Exo put into words what BM was thinking dislikes Hopeless Town: iamp, exo, ritoky, kurumi, Dandel Scum: WoS, hopeless Wave has provided enough to unvote likes tubesock likes lunatic thinks koshi is genuine votes HF posts self meta as to why he is not mafia ticktock is mafia is fine with lynching kurumi for his weird defense of HF likes Ticktock
I dislike the self-meta stuff, his read progression makes little sense to me -> likely scum
joke-votes Skynx? votes Iamp for role-fishing slight tr on exo, null o Wave wants exo to stop tunneling, but wants to know why wave semi-claimed scum vibes of koshi -> koshi is town thread police is a role scum like to take -> btdt calls lunatic scum for his Koshi-vote calls HF scum for his ritoky-vote in the same vein He can't move on his own? Has claimed roshan unvotes iamp, because he wants to figure him out later Playing erratic is Kurumis thing?
List: Not liking Skynx, Tubesock, me, GB, Koshi, on the fence: Wave, iamp, btdt Town: Damdrel, Exo, Kurumi (good vibe)
Wants to ignore BM New list with Lunatic, GB, Hamazu, Tubesock as lynches, and Koshi and me -> Skynx missing LT is useless but he sympathises with LT's list
rereads Helpful, and thinks he is Scum for being a useless lurker still thinks i am a good lynch
Can you please look at BM? other than that, probably town
Koshi: starts with a town tone, gets way worse after #493 nothing actually noteworthy in his filter -> scumlean
Eversince: afk -> null
Kurumi: his posts are not really helpful, and i disagree a fair bit with his lists (if i even decipher them correctly). Posts #1009 and 1012 are decent tho. -> null/scum lean
likes dandel, dislikes hopeless because he was present and contributed nothing exo tentatively town Wave tentatively town likes that hopeless digs exo out of the tunnel also town HF, iamp, btdt (for activity), me, kurumi, dandel GB gets a scum lean for not fighting with HF gives two cases, for lunatic (not pushing Koshi hard enough as his scum read, his HF read is funky) and GB (no excitement)
omgus pushes ritoky, but puts him back to null after answers Charge of Darkness is very close to Wave of Shadow? dislikes Exo's push -> Vote Exo tries to get exo out of his tunnel
little meaningful content so far -> scum lean. Said he will play properly today
claims Techies reads iamp town because he is funny gets called out for shitposting by btdt thinks exo is scum I liked how he brought up my point on Lunatic, and the interaction we had after it dislikes Vivax
(disregarding his "claim" post) doubts Dandel is scum suspicious of btdt Acro and Kurumi are town lot of filler Hamazu gets townread wants to coordinate sicklucker reeks of scum, would lynch SL or btdt wants to make LT squirm scumreads me for voting for him
Still not sure about him, so my vote seems good still. What happened with SL or btdt being your lynches? -> scumlean
GB: HF and Acro might be town votes ritoky as placeholder
useless lurk -> scum lean
LT: wants to lynch people he hasn't played with before wants to kill Kurumi for emote spam
useless lurk -> scum lean
Now some of this has been outdated (started around page 61 i think), but that is where i am at right now
The good: Seems like actual note-taking and effort went into reading the thread.
The bad: Waffly and wishy washy. There's no reason scum can't make list posts, and simply calling half the players "scum leans" is not very useful. Then again, half the players are scummy bastards, so hard to make much else of that. Voting for WoS seems meh. We're not gonna kill WoS today, so put in some effort on finding someone else. For instance, you could join me on the H1 train to scumlandia!
On October 21 2016 22:58 Hopeless1der wrote: I should be in and out most of today.
Acro's case is on me is quite lulzy...and cherry picks a pretty small filter. Could you just...not sheep that terrible excuse of a case? Multiple people have expressed doubt about the case itself, and its relevance since I am notorious for living up to my name.
I dont like ptmc recently setting me up for a lynch that he can easily back off of by saying "oh look, hopeless is posting, not lynching anymore" regardless of how good/bad my content actually is.
On October 21 2016 22:58 Hopeless1der wrote: I should be in and out most of today.
Acro's case is on me is quite lulzy...and cherry picks a pretty small filter. Could you just...not sheep that terrible excuse of a case? Multiple people have expressed doubt about the case itself, and its relevance since I am notorious for living up to my name.
I dont like ptmc recently setting me up for a lynch that he can easily back off of by saying "oh look, hopeless is posting, not lynching anymore" regardless of how good/bad my content actually is.
On October 21 2016 18:12 Acrofales wrote: ---------------------
There's definitely scum hiding in that list of loonie, gb, hazmat and tubesock. We can now add Vivax to that list, who I will happily lynch now that he won't be modkilled (/sadface).
Bruh..
Yeah, I don't mind killing Vivax at all. I just rather kill you.
Let me put it this way: Vivax is a policy lynch because he's Vivax. I hate the way he plays and will happily see him dead. Chance of him flipping scum = (number of scum in game)/24, so slightly over 1/4?
H1der is a mafia read. I think my mafia reads are pretty good, so > 50/50 chance he's scum. Clearly the better lynch.
On October 20 2016 23:36 AFK Jungle wrote: To clarify claiming a bit: You may claim your hero name. You may claim that you can do some basic role equivalent (E.g. doc, cop, vig and so on). You may not post the exact or close to exact wording of any content of your role PM. E.g. you may say: "I attacked disformation for 10" or "I cop checked disformation and got a red" or "I healed disformation for 10". E.g. you may not say: "I have a banhammer ability that has a 3 phase cooldown and lets me vig ppl who forget to vote."
Another thing on this. If your ability has any restrictions you may not say what those restrictions are. If your ability targets only dire. You may not say this. You can ask someone if they are dire. But you may not say why you are asking.
Doing so past this point will result in you losing that ability. Yes we are reading the game.
Wow. I understand you don't want the game to be broken with claims, but this doesn't leave many options for town coordination...
Also, lol at "hey guys, I need to know if you're dire or radiant" "Why?" "No reason, but I am a doctor wink wink nudge nudge"
On October 21 2016 21:19 ptmc wrote: This is my second game, i played in the last newbie game. The reads for low content could easily change, if good content comes from those players. Anything specific you disagree with?
ya ok I dont get why everyone is scum reading an obv town. Like he acualy took notes doubt a first time scum is ever EVER faking that. would probably ride or die with this guy honestly
Waits for mod confirmation. Hard defends recipient. You the comic relief guy, right?
On October 21 2016 17:18 ritoky wrote: What is the scumslip?
On October 20 2016 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 20 2016 09:36 Bill Murray wrote: Yeah well it's early not everyone has posted
aww so you mean i could have just lurked and never posted and I'd have won the game?! well shit....but what about ritoky tho? pretend i said "bill" instead of "lamp" in one of my posts asking about him if that helps.
The bold bit. Town doesn't win by avoiding getting lynched, that be scum that can win that way. Town can be NK'd, or worse, left alive as that one scummy town lurker for the easy lylo mislynch.
It's not evidence of scum on its own, as H1 is responding sarcastically to BM's flippant ignoring of the non-posters. But it is another drop in the bucket of of his scummy play style.
Hopeless is always hopeless And lurky. Am not convinced. We can add him to the short list though
Let's go. The H1 train to scum lynch!
For real. He says he's around but isn't doing anything. He has a lazy "placeholder" vote on Vivax. Let's lynch!
On October 21 2016 17:18 ritoky wrote: What is the scumslip?
On October 20 2016 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 20 2016 09:36 Bill Murray wrote: Yeah well it's early not everyone has posted
aww so you mean i could have just lurked and never posted and I'd have won the game?! well shit....but what about ritoky tho? pretend i said "bill" instead of "lamp" in one of my posts asking about him if that helps.
The bold bit. Town doesn't win by avoiding getting lynched, that be scum that can win that way. Town can be NK'd, or worse, left alive as that one scummy town lurker for the easy lylo mislynch.
It's not evidence of scum on its own, as H1 is responding sarcastically to BM's flippant ignoring of the non-posters. But it is another drop in the bucket of of his scummy play style.
Hopeless is always hopeless And lurky. Am not convinced. We can add him to the short list though
Let's go. The H1 train to scum lynch!
For real. He says he's around but isn't doing anything. He has a lazy "placeholder" vote on Vivax. Let's lynch!
Why do the hairs on the back of my neck raise when you post?
Bah. He's like BM. Makes no sense at all. Is calling HF scum by association without having any flips. I can't read him, and don't get any obvious scum vibes from him. So prefer to lynch someone else.
On October 22 2016 03:11 Vivax wrote: Lul this game. My first post was just a giant idiot magnet, I just wanted to put something out there that had to sound super scummy, somewhat for fun, somewhat to see how people react. Can't believe anyone even takes the vote seriously (looking at TT).
On October 22 2016 02:59 beentheredonethat wrote: My vote is good where it is. I don't feel like deciding between Lunatic/Vivax. Lunatic is a good lynch while Vivax is policy.
Your vote is being wasted it's not gonna happen today
Why do you want me to vote Vivax so badly? Why shouldn't I lynch Lunatic?
I'm in diffrent to lunatic I don't care if he dies or not. Vivax is capable as playing as town he isn't we should kill. Your vote on Koshi is wasted
On October 22 2016 02:56 iamperfection wrote:
On October 22 2016 02:53 beentheredonethat wrote:
On October 22 2016 02:51 Acrofales wrote: Bah. He's like BM. Makes no sense at all. Is calling HF scum by association without having any flips. I can't read him, and don't get any obvious scum vibes from him. So prefer to lynch someone else.
Why you want to keep H1 around?
Yeah BM would be a fine lynch I think but I havent really dived
lynch low activity also great
Go vote vivax
That does not align.
Wtf are you talking about
You say to vote Vivax, and then 10 minutes later say he is capable of playing as town like this and shouldn't be voted
He is capable as a town player. He ain't playing therfore he is scum
That's actually a bad reason and feels constructed. Are you pushing a mislynch here that seems to be on easy afk town?
There is no bad lynch on Vivax. At lylo, if the other guy claims scum, it is still a great idea to lynch Vivax.
On October 22 2016 02:59 beentheredonethat wrote: My vote is good where it is. I don't feel like deciding between Lunatic/Vivax. Lunatic is a good lynch while Vivax is policy.
If it is still on me I disagree.
Can you please post some list or something before i switch to you aswell?
Too m7ch work sorry.
really, my vote is good where it is. You're arguing like Trump. "Here's evidence you're bad." - "No I'm not"
What if I tell you I play like this because I am a town powerrole?
Ok. I have no clue how the attack resolution happened. The player list looks randomized to me... ExO_ is not next to koshi, so mb his attack hit me instead? I don't think eversince did jack shit, because he didn't make a single post...
On October 22 2016 09:36 Hopeless1der wrote: I want acro shot for being afk at/leading up to deadline but being here just after night post.
I thought he was pretty towny early on?
I mean it's like Friday night and that alone gives a good reason to afk? I mean I get what you are saying but I think you need a stronger argument than being afk. unless you are implying what he said after the deadline was scummy and not so much his activity.
On October 22 2016 07:23 Acrofales wrote: Wtf. Who derailed the Vivax train :@
I took 7 damage.
then spent ~30 minutes trying to figure out what happened to allow him to be hit by KP since the movement list didnt make sense.
Saying you'll be afk, then being here to complain, then not giving anything useful...rubs me the wrong way.
Ok. I'm here. I will be reading through all the posts I missed, but it was really easy: I was at the party I mentioned, which ended at 11:30. Some people headed to a bar, and my gf and I headed home. I did check my phone 15 minutes before the deadline and saw something like 150 new posts and a train on tictock. I was still at the party and had no way I could act for 15 minutes, nor time to even read all the posts to figure out why there was a train forming on what was, for me, somewhat of a town read. So I stuck my phone back in my pocket and hoped I was wrong about TT.
I still don't understand how the TT lynch happened. Especially because it seems like iamp (prob town) and DI (prob town) were on it early and pushing it without a critical thought in their mind. Like... when I left the Vivax train was slowly gathering steam. He came in, made 2 shitty posts, one of which about how scummy TT looked, and fucked off again, and presto, everybody was aboard the TT train. Like, really bizarre.
On October 22 2016 19:21 Holyflare wrote: No, I just don't care that I mislynched him really. I made a good case and was wrong, it happens a lot. I did give him outs though because I had the potential to be wrong and people often soew more at deadline.
He didn't give me a reason to switfh off him and that's a highly compelling reason to stay.
Ok, been going over the damage and the claims. Biggest discrepancies so far:
Sicklucker claims he can RB AND do a basic attack. I was told I have one action per phase, and basic attacks are actions, so I call bullshit.
WoS didn't take enough damage. Claims 16 dmg. HF claims he hit for 5, LT claims 10, sicklucker claims unknown amount.
ExO_ claims he hit Koshi, but he cannot have moved to Koshi. In fact, he cannot have moved anywhere except to me.
Acro took too much damage. I took 7 dmg. Nobody claims an attack.
Koshi didn't take enough damage. Claims 12 dmg. btdt claims he did 8. ExO_ claims unknown amount (4?).
GB didn't take enough damage. Claims 6 dmg. Iamperfection claims > 6. Koshi claims 7. ritoky claims he tried, but was roleblocked.
ptmc claims he hit BM. He cannot have moved to BM, and can only have hit Hamazooka (host error is possible, because if ptmc moved to where BM was BEFORE his move, then it all works)
Questions: @ExO_: how much do you hit for? Someone could have redirected you to me. Not sure why, but we'll figure that out later. @ptmc: can you ask the hosts if they processed your move correctly?
Will work on reads post and it will be up before just before resolution. I am around for chats.
If you are looking for a target to shoot at tonight, I highly recommend, in order of importance:
Vivax. Kill with fire Koshi. Disruptive scummy dirtbag. Skynx. 100% trash filter, and seriously flying under the radar. H1der. Scum until I say otherwise. LT. Lurker. GB. Lurker. HF. Haven't figured out the TT train yet, and while the case seems sincere (if just plain wrong), there is something off about him. Artanis. Lurker.
On October 23 2016 02:18 Acrofales wrote: Ok, been going over the damage and the claims. Biggest discrepancies so far:
Sicklucker claims he can RB AND do a basic attack. I was told I have one action per phase, and basic attacks are actions, so I call bullshit.
WoS didn't take enough damage. Claims 16 dmg. HF claims he hit for 5, LT claims 10, sicklucker claims unknown amount.
ExO_ claims he hit Koshi, but he cannot have moved to Koshi. In fact, he cannot have moved anywhere except to me.
Acro took too much damage. I took 7 dmg. Nobody claims an attack.
Koshi didn't take enough damage. Claims 12 dmg. btdt claims he did 8. ExO_ claims unknown amount (4?).
GB didn't take enough damage. Claims 6 dmg. Iamperfection claims > 6. Koshi claims 7. ritoky claims he tried, but was roleblocked.
ptmc claims he hit BM. He cannot have moved to BM, and can only have hit Hamazooka (host error is possible, because if ptmc moved to where BM was BEFORE his move, then it all works)
Questions: @ExO_: how much do you hit for? Someone could have redirected you to me. Not sure why, but we'll figure that out later. @ptmc: can you ask the hosts if they processed your move correctly?
Will work on reads post and it will be up before just before resolution. I am around for chats.
If you are looking for a target to shoot at tonight, I highly recommend, in order of importance:
Vivax. Kill with fire Koshi. Disruptive scummy dirtbag. Skynx. 100% trash filter, and seriously flying under the radar. H1der. Scum until I say otherwise. LT. Lurker. GB. Lurker. HF. Haven't figured out the TT train yet, and while the case seems sincere (if just plain wrong), there is something off about him. Artanis. Lurker.
That should do it for now.
Am I the only person who wasn't notified at all about what damage I did?
I don't think anybody got notified about how much damage they did. But your role pm says how much damage you *should* do, if all goes according to plan...
On October 23 2016 01:21 WaveofShadow wrote: There definitely something fishy going on with the targets on me but of the three the only one I do think for sure is town is LT.
This fits with how hes played in past games with me. Just wish he'd be more useful
SL or HF could be faking damage or one of them could have been RBed (HF most likely).
Can you explain this please? (Just the LT part)
He gets his hackles up all the time cause I call him scum a lot. He's also a pretty vindictive guy in general when we play games together (we also DnD), and while I suppose it's not alignment indicative overall for him to retaliate against me, in his case specifically I believe he believes it's the right thing to do.
He's also a highly strategic person and I don't believe as scum he would think the best use of his limited role KP would be to hit me as I don't feel like I'm a threat to anyone at the moment.
On October 23 2016 03:04 Holyflare wrote: I also don't see how acro hasn't acknowledged the SL point about him attacking wave and also that Hopeless is essentially mod confirmed for trying to abuse the game.
What point about SL attacking wave? It's literally the first point I have. He claims he roleblocked AND hit WoS. Makes no sense.
And no, H1der isn't modconfirmed for trying to figure out what happened with actions. Scum wants to figure that shit out too. He spent most of the night pissing around on mechanics and OMGUSing me.
On October 23 2016 03:11 Holyflare wrote: that he was like a rabid dog trying to abuse pm mechanics wondering if there was a delayed-like mechanic and if he was mafia he'd most likely know due to there probably being a few of those roles in his qt
Except that I don't get the impression there was a delayed mechanic at all... it's just WoS getting his PM late, mod error, or some shit. He was all "WoS, if you don't tell us the pm timestamp and what it said, you are scum blablabla", it was not townie (nor necessarily scummy. It was just shitty).
On October 23 2016 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote: Lynch should be top scum read and we habe 47 more jours to see what vivax (and koshi!) Are doibg.only a sith deals in absolutes, right?
Fine, I'm a sith. Vivax is mafia, though. Fucking lynch the crap out of him.
On October 23 2016 03:04 Holyflare wrote: I also don't see how acro hasn't acknowledged the SL point about him attacking wave and also that Hopeless is essentially mod confirmed for trying to abuse the game.
What point about SL attacking wave? It's literally the first point I have. He claims he roleblocked AND hit WoS. Makes no sense.
And no, H1der isn't modconfirmed for trying to figure out what happened with actions. Scum wants to figure that shit out too. He spent most of the night pissing around on mechanics and OMGUSing me.
Oh I missed that.
Did tolk confirm that I hit him btw? Cause that would disprove the rb.
SL didn't claim he RB'd you. He claimed he damaged you and RB'd ritoky. Ritoky claims being RB'd, so that part seems to pan out. Just his damage on you is weird, because double actions?
On October 23 2016 02:18 Acrofales wrote: Ok, been going over the damage and the claims. Biggest discrepancies so far:
Sicklucker claims he can RB AND do a basic attack. I was told I have one action per phase, and basic attacks are actions, so I call bullshit.
WoS didn't take enough damage. Claims 16 dmg. HF claims he hit for 5, LT claims 10, sicklucker claims unknown amount.
ExO_ claims he hit Koshi, but he cannot have moved to Koshi. In fact, he cannot have moved anywhere except to me.
Acro took too much damage. I took 7 dmg. Nobody claims an attack.
Koshi didn't take enough damage. Claims 12 dmg. btdt claims he did 8. ExO_ claims unknown amount (4?).
GB didn't take enough damage. Claims 6 dmg. Iamperfection claims > 6. Koshi claims 7. ritoky claims he tried, but was roleblocked.
ptmc claims he hit BM. He cannot have moved to BM, and can only have hit Hamazooka (host error is possible, because if ptmc moved to where BM was BEFORE his move, then it all works)
Questions: @ExO_: how much do you hit for? Someone could have redirected you to me. Not sure why, but we'll figure that out later. @ptmc: can you ask the hosts if they processed your move correctly?
Will work on reads post and it will be up before just before resolution. I am around for chats.
If you are looking for a target to shoot at tonight, I highly recommend, in order of importance:
Vivax. Kill with fire Koshi. Disruptive scummy dirtbag. Skynx. 100% trash filter, and seriously flying under the radar. H1der. Scum until I say otherwise. LT. Lurker. GB. Lurker. HF. Haven't figured out the TT train yet, and while the case seems sincere (if just plain wrong), there is something off about him. Artanis. Lurker.
That should do it for now.
I don't think you know that damage is processed before movement, and movement from the bottom up? I'm where I expect myself to be after attacking BM and BM attacking Ticktock, which he claimed.
Oh derp. I was resolving movement from top to bottom. Will have to redo my spreadsheet.
Rels (now Artanis) Lurker. Artanis might not yet have had time to take over. Not yet convinced he's scum, but if he stays lurking, he's definitely scum.
Vivax Did exactly one thing all of D1/N1: make 2 posts to deflect the lynch off himself, and town shit the bed. KILL WITH FIRE
Holyflare He's participating actively during the night. He did nothing during the day except to post a case on TT. His night contributions seem good. I can't really read this.
Skynx Nothing good has come from this guy. Could just be bad town, but feels like he is skating by. Had an overaggressive start to the game which was badly received. Then AFK'd for long enough for people to forget about that and did the bare minimum. Once again, active during the night (when we expect scums to be plotting in their scumchat anyway.
iamperfection iamperfection shit the bed. But his filter is so jam packed with stuff, that I don't really believe he's scum. Keep an eye out if he stays around. If he's still alive by D3...
sicklucker Erratic. Fake claiming. I have no idea what to do with this guy.
beentheredonethat Mega filter with lots of thought.
ExO_ Was green, but something really weird is going on with his night actions. Claims to have hit koshi, but it's impossible.
Lunaticman Was a scummy lurker. Has improved a bit during the night.
HamazuraXTakitsubo Scummy lurker
Tubesock Like his activity during the night
Bill Murray One of my surest town reads. This is town-BM meta
Koshi Agree with the scum meta reads.
Eversince, now NocturneMage Holy activity, batman. Good posts and thought about who's what. Great replacement.
ptmc bleeds green, and with the mod note, very little reason to doubt.
Kurumi claims targeting iamperfection. Has done nothing of note. But notoriously trolly and hard to read...
ritoky probably just not-very-good town.
Hopeless1der Nothing has convinced me my read yesterday was wrong.
Dandel Ion Duh. This is town DI
WaveofShadow Some minor suspicions, but nothing real. Probably town.
GlowingBear Utterly useless. Also doesn't look like he could have hit koshi if other night action claims are right... did make some townie feel posts.
Lord Tolkien Utterly useless
And because you all love it, some more night action speculation:
The ones that really don't make sense are:
ExO_. He simply cannot have hit Koshi and ended up above me. Unless someone moved me. Glowingbear. He cannot have hit Koshi and ended up that far down the player list. Instead, he must have hit Hopeless1der, or WoS jumped him to get to Lord Tolkien. Jumping to Koshi, would not have put him below Eversince/NM
Some kind of shenannies or fake action claiming happened here.
On October 23 2016 07:38 Acrofales wrote: Ok. Analyzed night actions. A lot easier this time round.
I am actually considering switching to a Koshi lynch: Koshi moved to next to where HF was, who is now dead. Lol. Some explaining to do, buddy boy!
Also, Skynx jumped over iamperfection or vice versa. Either iamp attacked Koshi (quite likely), or skynx attacked btdt.
Ranged attacks are a thing. Ability damage is a thing. I can hit anyone I want regardless of my place in the roster.
BRB voting vivax
What do ranged attacks have to do with anything?
You're saying Koshi moving equals him nking HF, but I've moved around despite having no movement abilities, and I can hit whoever I want. Roster placement is not a meaningful source of information.
You haven't moved at all in my spreadsheet. People have moved up and down around you.
On October 23 2016 07:47 iamperfection wrote: i mean im sure there of plenty of abilities and shit that can mess with the order. i dont think we can confirm people as mafia just because they moved.
On October 23 2016 07:41 iamperfection wrote: i attacked nobody
Then skynx jumped over you to do something to btdt.
@skynx: why did you attack btdt?
Your methods of reaching conclusions are faulty. I attacked iamp. But why do you ask me a question in vain when you already made up your mind about my alignment and why do i even bother replying at all i have no idea fuck this.
On October 23 2016 08:27 iamperfection wrote: i see no evidence of 2 lynches
I see no real risk in having 13 votes on Vivax and 9 on a 2nd lynch option. If it happens, yay. If not, koshi extra-double-confirms himself as scum.
it doesn't feel right
like double lynch doesn't really fit any dota hero i can think of. but I don't know why koshi would lie about it though as either alignment unless he is trolling or something
I dunno. Ogre Magi might "multiply" our lynches? Anyway, Spectre's rolecop thingy doesn't make sense for Spectre either. So who cares about dota lore?
On October 23 2016 08:42 Koshi wrote: Also don't understand how people can think I am mafia while I have a double lynch.
Prove it. Also, scum can get abilities like double lynch in heavy themed games. Gonna have to think what game it was, but fairly certain I saw it before.
On October 23 2016 13:26 sicklucker wrote: well if koshi is scum hes doing everything a scum should do at the bottom of the barrel. trying to get votes/kp off him
There were never going to be any votes ON him today. We're 100% lynching the shit out of Vivax.
On October 23 2016 16:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Good morning, I slept through the night and forgot to do anything >>
Koshi seems pretty town to me. I think at this point he'd be a bit more of a lemming if he were mafia after rolling scum for the last 3 games. Agree with Hopeless though that failed promise should result in gallows.
Can anyone break down exactly why everyone really wants to lynch Vivax today?
On October 23 2016 17:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: With Lunatic's last mafia game being this, I feel somewhat confident calling him town this game. Though I expect him to be able to play a better mafia game than that, he's going after Koshi and HF pretty early on which doesn't match with the complete lack of confidence and defensiveness of the last game.
Skynx read didn't convince me it was authentic. This one does. I don't think a Scumtanis hard defends his scumbuddy at this point. So either Artanis is town, and thinks loonie is town, or Artanis is scum and knows loonie is town.
On October 23 2016 17:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I just opened ExO_'s filter and I want to lynch him already. Not sure if because of ExO or because he's scummy.
...
He also seems to have gotten off his tunnel, which funnily enough makes me slightly more uneasy about him, but throwing him in the townpile for now.
On October 23 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote: Anyway doesn't matter i rly regret spending time in this game. Some ppl just sit back and troll and their name doesn't even get mentioned once but w/e
Your in this game... what's stopping you from mentioning it?
Oh i tried. Only to get scumread and called out for it.
I attacked you cuz i thought you were scum since HF was always town and you trained TT without hesitation with little cause.
I'm not yet convinced you're definitely scum. And Artanis thinking you're scum isn't going to convince anybody. So just keep playing. Clearly everybody missed your reads, so tell us who, in addition to Vivax, should be lynched today?
On October 23 2016 22:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Whoops, had forgotten to vote for Skynx in the vote thread. Rectified!
On October 23 2016 18:19 Acrofales wrote:
On October 23 2016 18:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Aand I'm done reading filters for now. Mafia: Skynx, Vivax, GB Town: Dandel, Hopeless, Lunatic, ExO_, Ritoky, Koshi Rest TBD. Would like interactions.
Why is h1 town?
I think I confused h1 and Iamp somehow. Iamp has a massive filter so that's pretty much why. Iirc his mafia and town games are miles apart. Hopeless probably leaning town as well but not quite as much. Kinda leaning back a bit but still posts a lot and the last time I remember hopeless being mafia (storm I think?) he was absolutely useless so eh, mostly lazyreads.
On October 23 2016 22:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 23 2016 19:08 Acrofales wrote: Nvm. Yango quoted an older post by LT. Ignore the above.
Good ol yangers
Should try to drag him into a mafia game one of these days.
Artanis why you gotta be scum this game? I thought we were gonna have fun together.
Hi Wave! I'm not mafia though. Why do you believe I am?
Some activity, some feels mostly And I dunno your recent effort feels.... Disingenuous somehow?
Cant shake it.
Doesn't matter that much right now though cause you've probs got another day or two
Activity was gone yesterday since I was gone most of yesterday. Feel like I've been pretty active today though. Apparently, your feels be wrong. Can't do much with that but I understand the issue. Anyway, where's your head at other than that?
My feels are the same. Your case on Skynx feels forced. Your confusion of iamp and h1 feels uncaring...
On October 23 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote: Anyway doesn't matter i rly regret spending time in this game. Some ppl just sit back and troll and their name doesn't even get mentioned once but w/e
Your in this game... what's stopping you from mentioning it?
Oh i tried. Only to get scumread and called out for it.
I attacked you cuz i thought you were scum since HF was always town and you trained TT without hesitation with little cause.
I'm not yet convinced you're definitely scum. And Artanis thinking you're scum isn't going to convince anybody. So just keep playing. Clearly everybody missed your reads, so tell us who, in addition to Vivax, should be lynched today?
Rather than sniping at my case without addressing it, how about addressing it?
It's a really feeble meta case based on (a) 1 game, and (b) someone else's meta.
On October 23 2016 22:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Whoops, had forgotten to vote for Skynx in the vote thread. Rectified!
On October 23 2016 18:19 Acrofales wrote:
On October 23 2016 18:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Aand I'm done reading filters for now. Mafia: Skynx, Vivax, GB Town: Dandel, Hopeless, Lunatic, ExO_, Ritoky, Koshi Rest TBD. Would like interactions.
Why is h1 town?
I think I confused h1 and Iamp somehow. Iamp has a massive filter so that's pretty much why. Iirc his mafia and town games are miles apart. Hopeless probably leaning town as well but not quite as much. Kinda leaning back a bit but still posts a lot and the last time I remember hopeless being mafia (storm I think?) he was absolutely useless so eh, mostly lazyreads.
On October 23 2016 22:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 23 2016 19:08 Acrofales wrote: Nvm. Yango quoted an older post by LT. Ignore the above.
Good ol yangers
Should try to drag him into a mafia game one of these days.
Artanis why you gotta be scum this game? I thought we were gonna have fun together.
Hi Wave! I'm not mafia though. Why do you believe I am?
Some activity, some feels mostly And I dunno your recent effort feels.... Disingenuous somehow?
Cant shake it.
Doesn't matter that much right now though cause you've probs got another day or two
Activity was gone yesterday since I was gone most of yesterday. Feel like I've been pretty active today though. Apparently, your feels be wrong. Can't do much with that but I understand the issue. Anyway, where's your head at other than that?
My feels are the same. Your case on Skynx feels forced. Your confusion of iamp and h1 feels uncaring...
Hopeless asked me to look into him. I did, found him to be scummy with a sidenote. If I wanted to 'look good' I'd probably come up with reasons to townread him because having the same read as the person asking you to look into someone will rarely actually make you look good. As for not caring much on confusing them; they're not up for lynch anytime soon and they both look fairly townie, so I'm not sure why I should care that much?
As a townie, I'm pretty clear on who my strong town reads are... Clearly you aren't. Mb because you know a priori they're both town and this read them differently...
On October 23 2016 22:55 iamperfection wrote: I'll be very tilted if Skynx isn't mafia
Don't get me wrong, I think he's probably mafia too. I just don't like Artanis' "case" on him at all, and am also willing to entertain the idea that skynx is not scum. Now vivax... vivax is irredeemable. Even if Onegu comes in right now and says Vivax is a modconfirmed townie, I will still lynch him for being fucking scum.
On October 23 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote: Anyway doesn't matter i rly regret spending time in this game. Some ppl just sit back and troll and their name doesn't even get mentioned once but w/e
Your in this game... what's stopping you from mentioning it?
Oh i tried. Only to get scumread and called out for it.
I attacked you cuz i thought you were scum since HF was always town and you trained TT without hesitation with little cause.
I'm not yet convinced you're definitely scum. And Artanis thinking you're scum isn't going to convince anybody. So just keep playing. Clearly everybody missed your reads, so tell us who, in addition to Vivax, should be lynched today?
As i replied to you in the night when you asked why Vivax is a good vigshot target: if we try to lynch Vivax we absolutely cannot afford to compromise. He will not defend himself and he objectively cant at this point. People will jump off the ship because they are bored or wanna get some more info or whatever and start going after people that are here and can defend themselves and thats when shit happens like D1 and someone else magically gets lynched.
Vivax has to die, you know why.
Ok. I completely agree with you. List the following players from scummiest to towniest, and explain why.
Ok, time to play with mechanics again: so far there are two *unexplained* movements, one for each phase, and both are basically a move by 1:
D1: ExO_ claims he hit Koshi, but he ended up far away from Koshi. He ended up 2 spots away from where he started, and 5 spaces away from where he claims he would have ended up.
D2: Skynx claims he hit iamp, but he and Iamp switched positions unnecessarily.
Anybody want to claim force staffing or otherwise moving people around?
In fact, does anybody want to claim an ability that moves other people, even if you didn't use it? Just so we know whether it's possible?
And my reasoning is basically this: if nobody has any obvious reason to believe there are actually force-staff-esque abilities in the game, then ExO_ is lying, he hit me and is scum.
If there are movement-shenanigan actions in the game, then they might explain these movement shenannies.
On October 23 2016 23:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Well except for artanis and maybe SL
Swap H1D with Luna there i completely forgot about him. Why everyone seems to think Tube is town i dont get but i'll re-read sure.
Oh yeah i forgot ritoky was scummy aswell.
I have a good reason for thinking tube is town, but I forget what it is. Somewhere in my filter I think.
tubesock was pretty active with some good posts during the night. But I count *good posts during the night* as not all that townie, because the pressure is off scum, so they often play a bit freeer (and in general, just plain more) while they plot their scummy night actions.
On October 23 2016 12:42 Hopeless1der wrote: If Koshi was able to prove he could double lynch, he would. But he cant, because its either not real or not revealed when activated. Or hes being a dick, which is obviously possible.
On October 23 2016 13:26 sicklucker wrote: well if koshi is scum hes doing everything a scum should do at the bottom of the barrel. trying to get votes/kp off him
It will happen at the end of the phase. I can't say more.
This seems mega super bullshit as a power for the record. If you actually activated a secret double lynch then A) that is not even remotely a town power B) I'll be mad at onegu
I still find it more likely that you're bullshitting rather than the above though. What are you not doing/not telling us?
Ezmode. Vote for koshi: ensure there is 1 vote on him, just in case he has some shitty scum ability he can use if nobody is voting for him. Then we form 2 wagons:
1. Vivax with a large majority of votes 2. Someone else. I'm still deciding who, but one of (Skynx, Artanis, Lunatic, Taco Bell, Lord Tolkien) seems like a pretty good starting point.
Now. If the double lynch happens as planned, yay! We revisit koshi tomorrow. If the double lynch doesn't happen, koshi confirmed as scum. He'll claim roleblocked, but nobody gonna believe that shit, and we 100% lynch him tomorrow.
On October 24 2016 00:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Although I will admit a secret double lynch to begin with is a super bullshit power if you're telling the truth and I'll be even more unhappy if you're actually town and we lynch you for it.
Putting a secret double lynch in scum hands is a really shitty bastard mod move. Putting a secret double lynch in town hands you'd expect to go down exactly the way koshi is playing it: not keeping it a secret.
Unless you give it to Palmar, then suddenly the top 2 die on the day the 2nd lynch is the one Palmar favors. But /shrug.
On October 24 2016 00:45 iamperfection wrote: someone discuss my point on skynx that i cant wrap my head around it.
Why would he claim his attack on me?
I haven't followed that discussion.
he said he attacked me. i didn't comment at all on taking damage yet he claims an attack why would he do that as scum?
Scum motive: he attacked you, and figured it would come out anyway? Town motive: transparency about what happened.
I find the town motive more believable. Especially as his claimed action (hitting someone who looks pretty towny to almost everybody) doesn't line up with the movements in the list. He didn't even have to claim hitting you, he could have claimed hitting btdt and it would have made more sense.
But scum motivation is not unthinkable. As scum in a heavily themed game, it tends to be a good idea to be upfront with everything you can plausibly explain away as scum, so watchers, trackers, role cops and other such shenannies don't catch you out. If he hit you and feared you being watched or so, then claiming makes sense. Skynx is a newbie and would not come up with this by himself, so this would mean some heavy coaching is going on in the scum chat. The only players in the game conceivably capable of this level of coaching are HF, WoS, you, and me. Maybe koshi? DI, Kurumi and BM are all capable, but far too lazy to do so.
Just popping in quickly to say that Hama is not town based on speculating jester. He might be 3p for having 3p on the mind, but setup speculation is not a town tell. He is also not a complete newb. He claims he played elsewhere (granted, that makes him a newbish amateur in comparison to the high level of mafia we play here):
On October 13 2016 18:48 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote:
On October 10 2016 22:37 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote: /in
I am new to this site so hope we get along well
Welcome to the site HamazuraXTakitsubo!
Just as a reminder, do note that this is a themed game, and has mechanics that are not usually in normal mafia games both on this site and as a whole for the game of mafia. Also, depending on the site you come from, TL might be far more active in terms of number of pages that can be produced.
Just bare that in mind, I don't see any major issues you could have with this particular theme game (hopefully). Have fun!
I have played themed mafia before so it wont be a big problem and I have played games with 20-30 pages per phase.
Other than to drop that info bomb, and say that I don't like LT either despite WoS's feels, I am off for a few hours. Should be around for about 5 or more hours before the deadline.
Oh, and btdt is town. He is intensely irritating, but he's too hyperactive to be scum.
I like his return to clear up the damage on WoS. I don't like that he went straight to calling HF the last in the first place. Why call HF the list and not sicklucker? Struck me as strange at the time and is still not making sense.
I don't like his most recent list. It reads like it took 0 effort to make, and was this made more to"show" he was thinking about alignments rather than actually thinking about them. In other words, scummy as fuck.
On October 24 2016 00:45 iamperfection wrote: someone discuss my point on skynx that i cant wrap my head around it.
Why would he claim his attack on me?
I haven't followed that discussion.
he said he attacked me. i didn't comment at all on taking damage yet he claims an attack why would he do that as scum?
Well the damage claim doesn't matter. As scum he might just do yolo damage? Was this during the night?
yeah but why claim at all why not just say i have no idea why i moved next to iamp. I guess if he is scum he may be just have a total misunderstanding of the as scum and not see why attacking the obvious town player is scummy.
I'm almost 100% certain the guy hitting me and not claiming is scum, because if they claim to be shooting me they look scummy as fuck. I'd assume the same applies for damage to you. So Skynx claiming means they have two different strategies for whacking at townies. Two scum teams is possible, but very unlikely until proven otherwise. So Skynx dumb townie?
Artanis, how come you claim you want to read people through engaging them, have me as a null read and for the second time this game, know we are both online, but don't engage me.
On October 24 2016 20:55 Vivax wrote: Yo, I was at a glacier this weekend and my care level for this game is really low. I'll just play now and you lynch me anyway. That's fine, I'd do the same in your stead.
On October 24 2016 20:55 Vivax wrote: Yo, I was at a glacier this weekend and my care level for this game is really low. I'll just play now and you lynch me anyway. That's fine, I'd do the same in your stead.
I'm not really around. Just some quick phone posts while I have a coffee. I'll be out again in a sec. Just one more thing I was saying before I had to leave earlier:
On October 24 2016 05:43 beentheredonethat wrote: seeing Koroko in the Not voting list. Does his vote actually count?
A 3p that has multiple votes doesn't exist, so if Koroko's vote counts, we need to kill that asap.
On October 24 2016 20:55 Vivax wrote: Yo, I was at a glacier this weekend and my care level for this game is really low. I'll just play now and you lynch me anyway. That's fine, I'd do the same in your stead.
The good news is we can actually lynch somebody besides you!! The bad news is nobody gives a fuck and prefers to just auto lynch me tomorrow.
Koshi I'll give you one chance. Explain as much as you can how your ability works.
Empty threat. He lives at least one more phase anyway. Might as well humor him. I don't really care how he claims his ability works, as long as the top 2 people in the vote list die. He could day vig them for all I care. If the top 2 people die, we can discuss it for tomorrow's lynch.
Everything took longer than I thought. Omw to the train home, so phone playing for a bit more with a nearly empty battery. Will look into lunatic lynch. Trains must not be too close. Don't want to make it possible for vote shenanigans. I'd say 13 on Vivax, 1 koshi, rest on 2nd wagon.
On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote: Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die.
I have asked this of you before, but why?
The lynch on Koshi day one should have been successful, he played awful and was way to engaged for a regular townie. His tone and meta is/was way to easy to read. Just look at him now, using game mechanics to scare you into not lynching him. The mafia obviously saved him by going for HF:s lynch instead day 1.
Art is purely based on HF, you were a 100% lock scum read. I have no reason why I shouldn't trust HF:s read.
On October 25 2016 00:16 iamperfection wrote: I have no problem simply auto lynching every person that comes to the thread saying they don't have time or are busy I don't give a crap about your "busy" personal lives here
On October 25 2016 01:17 beentheredonethat wrote: Korokos vote doesn't count. Just saying. Not voting are four people yet only three appear there. Also I know it for sure but I was told to not say how I got that information.
On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote: Oh I forgot about Luna
hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah?
I didn't buss anyone.
What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF?
I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why.
So omgus?
haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc.
Do you have any opinions on HF's read on me?
I think it is very shallow as expected day one. It felt like he just wanted to assign blame to someone. Throwing the first rock if you will.
I like your idea of building a town circle, that is always the most important thing the first two days.
I'm also sad to see you say you will never play again maybe your just not in the mood.
Also I'm off to bed nn.
There's something off about this post. It could be his reads progressing, but up until here he has yelled "HF scum! Lalalala TUNNEL" and except for the early koshi vote, that's pretty much it. Here he is seriously analyzing HF's read on Ritoky, and saying that a d1 read is very shallow. It doesn't seem like a natural progression to be considering the quality of HF's reads at this point (which means it's a scum fake read on HF, which went from fake tunnel to undecided without a clear thought pattern).
On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote: Oh I forgot about Luna
hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah?
I didn't buss anyone.
What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF?
I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why.
So omgus?
haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc.
Do you have any opinions on HF's read on me?
I think it is very shallow as expected day one. It felt like he just wanted to assign blame to someone. Throwing the first rock if you will.
I like your idea of building a town circle, that is always the most important thing the first two days.
I'm also sad to see you say you will never play again maybe your just not in the mood.
Also I'm off to bed nn.
There's something off about this post. It could be his reads progressing, but up until here he has yelled "HF scum! Lalalala TUNNEL" and except for the early koshi vote, that's pretty much it. Here he is seriously analyzing HF's read on Ritoky, and saying that a d1 read is very shallow. It doesn't seem like a natural progression to be considering the quality of HF's reads at this point (which means it's a scum fake read on HF, which went from fake tunnel to undecided without a clear thought pattern).
Why bother justifying this now when consensus has already mostly formed on him? Looks odd.
Really? I should just sheep and afk for the next 4 hours, rather than reread the guy's filter? Dafuq?!
Actually, this isn't new either. For some reason there are always people calling me scum until I get NK'd and flip green as grass. So whatever. I'll just keep doing what I'm doing and you can go suck it.
On October 22 2016 19:24 Acrofales wrote: I still don't understand how the TT lynch happened. Especially because it seems like iamp (prob town) and DI (prob town) were on it early and pushing it without a critical thought in their mind. Like... when I left the Vivax train was slowly gathering steam. He came in, made 2 shitty posts, one of which about how scummy TT looked, and fucked off again, and presto, everybody was aboard the TT train. Like, really bizarre.
Going shopping. Will read more later
It's called the HF effect.
I liked this response at the time, but in hindsight, I don't know. His whole position regarding HF is weird.
At the time, I got a "ha, townie" feel from it, because it seemed like a townie who was frustrated by a fellow townie derping up the lynch. However, he started the game calling HF scum. Then backs off, and seems to attack HF every now and then without calling him scum.
I am having trouble reading Luna. Luna, are you there? I want to talk to you, and seeing as your head is on the chopping block, you might want to save yourself. Don't worry if you're scum. Just keep afk'ing and rot in hell on the lynch.
On October 25 2016 02:48 Tubesock wrote: I don't think Lunatic is mafia. But I don't have any solid reasons. Mostly I didn't like the wagon yesterday.
##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax ##Vote: Skynx
?
*Work cancelled so you guys are stuck with me for the next few hours.
I'm voting Vivax. I want the second wagon to be Skynx.
Skynx's reactions yesterday were pretty solid townie. I will go back and filter him again, seeing as I didn't get very far with Luna. Your question whether he would tunnel two dangerous townies right off the bat is a pretty good point. Usually scummers are careful not to pick fights with strong players (unless they are both scum and stage their fight, which is damned hard to do). On the other hand I don't feel he was picking a fight with HF. He was definitely tunneled on Koshi. But his whole mindset around HF is just... weird.
On October 25 2016 03:48 Tubesock wrote: So what's Lunatic's crimes this game? He lurked, and only has like 5 reads. He's consistent and fearless.
Skynx....he lurks, fucked off when he's off the wagon ala Vivax style, martyr's and appeals to your emotional side so he can live. He made promises and hasn't done shit. I'm his biggest scumread (and Hopeless1) and we have seen absolutely 0. Because there isn't shit to case since he knows we are town.
Having H1 as a scum read is a pretty solid one imho, and other than your stream-of-consciousness at night, it's hard to see you as townie too.
On October 25 2016 04:14 iamperfection wrote: Acro if you were scum and we're vivax today would you do what he did?
You mean, dead seal, and then post a list? Probably not. When I'm scum and 100% getting lynched, I shit up the thread with memes. But other than being mildly amusing to me and my scumbuddies, it is only worthwhile when 0 chance of maybe turning the lynch around. Perhaps Vivax believes there is > 0% chance of turning the lynch around.
If Vivax is town, he isn't playing as Vivax does when town. Vivax is (was? remember I haven't played mafia in like 2 years) abrasive in all games, but as town, he has a significant number of posts like his last one: insightful and useful to the rest of town. I remember as scum agonizing over NK'ing him, because of this double side to him: he had moments of brilliant insight, but basically ensured nobody ever took them seriously because he was extremely antagonistic and nobody wanted to engage him, or even open his toxic filter.
This game, I have seen moments of usefulness appear at the last minute in order to save his ass. It worked on D1. I don't think we should let it work again, and have this same shitty discussion on D3.
On October 25 2016 04:09 Dandel Ion wrote: the crocodile guy was taken out of all the boatcounts, huh.
this is just getting more annoying by the minute
Probably a good thing. I'd rather have crocodile being an actual fake smurf from some wacko 3p role than a real smurf with a vote from some scummy shit voterigger role.
Ok, I think skynx is less likely to flip mafia than lunatic. I'd like to give him more time, because his D2 was actually fairly productive. No real depth reads, and mostly reactive play, but there are some posts that jump out as really making sense from a frustrated, besieged townie mindset that I think would be hard to emulate as a scummer.
Similar to our other scummy lynch candidates, he only really shows up to save his ass. But he seems worthwhile to give a D3.
Next up: GB, but I feel the time to get a second train on someone other than lunatic is rapidly vanishing.
Not sure it's scum, but there is literally 0 effort there. He admits to barely reading the thread, throws a vote at Iamp, for a completely bizar bullshit reason, and.. well.. not much else.
Problem is that it is just too shitty to really take anything indicative of alignment from it: is someone playing extremely badly scum playing badly? Or town playing badly?
Either way, has to die because there is no way to know. Wouldn't lynch today, but if I had that yummy Lina laguna blade ability, it would be hitting him in the face (well, him, or LT. Maybe Hama, have to reread all the short filters).
Fuck this game. I'll be back to vote for Koshi on D2. And then for Vivax on D3. And then Lunatic D4.
Zzzzzzz.
Lynch prevention shit is by far the strongest scum ability and I don't care whether it was conditioned upon whatever the fuck Koshi claimed it was conditioned was actually true. It's a fucking broken ability and should never be included in games.
I was expecting shenanigans. But this is ridiculous.
And yes, this was pre-written and not organic anger at all, because I am sitting here fuming since that stupid no lynch post went up with this written. You would have had organic fucking rage half an hour ago.
On October 25 2016 07:06 iamperfection wrote: Why do you think koshi should go first?
Because the guy who uses the ability is 100% certainly scum. The guy he is saving is only 99.99% certainly scum.
Like what are you talking about how do you know koshis ability didn't work or just wasn't blocked?
Koshi promises double lynch. Instead we get no lynch. I don't believe in coincidences. Moreover, Koshi claimed it did damage equal to the number 2 for votes on the player, and claimed it needed 6 to 7 votes to kill someone (so presumably 10 damage per vote?). 80 damage is a lot, so lunatic should be dead, regardless of whether the "lynch" failed. Koshi is not in here acting surprised. He's in here acting mock outraged.
On October 25 2016 07:44 Lord Tolkien wrote: There are two possibilities:
1) Koshi is town and was derp enough to reveal the double lynch because WHY NOT, they can't possibly stop the ability (I'm going to assume because it's actually non-RBable). In which case it makes sense...until he gets blindsided by NO LYNCH HUEHUE.
2) Koshi is scum and was fake claiming it to kill D2 town discussion and turn all ire on him.
At this point I'm leaning towards 1). Doesn't make sense from a self-preservation standpoint for him to be scum and fake claim the double lynch. Wouldn't do anything but draw attention to him.
I'm inclined to say he's town now.
He was going to be lynched anyway, and it's possible the ability had some weird condition that he had to convince town to go along with.
On October 25 2016 12:28 Bill Murray wrote: lets talk about whos scum not whether or not this game is good or not i personally enjoy games with a lot of abilities but its all good... seems i got the short end of the stick but oh well
You. You ignored my plea for help yesterday! I also don't believe you forgot to send in an action every single phase so far. Why you have to make me doubt my town read on you!
On October 25 2016 16:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Koshi, I did not attack you.
Also, if no one claims their AA on me I'll have to presume it came from scum.
Well. I did not do 5 damage to you. My basic damage is 7 btw, which I claimed before, of course this could be fake but come on... Does anybody has an attack that is 5? Or lower?
So I got so much damage and nobody from town claims it. I have a feeling I got the ulti from Wynter Wyvern on me and Artanis and iamp attacked me or something.
How much damage did you 2 do last night? Could it be over 35 together?
I have a basic attack of 4. I have a powerful attack ability and I have attacked you three times now. I claimed that. I said I townread you because I wasn't roleblocked at all and I bought your rage.
Mafia wouldn't do a no-lynch if Koshi hadn't claimed his ability. That means Vivax and Lunatic are scum. Else it would make NO sense for scum to save Vivax as he will be lynched/shot anyways.
Either Vivax and Lunatic are scum and the no-lynch should make us kill Koshi OR Koshi is scum, Vivax/Luna alignment is not sure and Scum wasted a no-lynch to save what, an inactive Scum!Vivax?
I don't think so. To me, Luna and Vivax are as close to confirmed scum as it gets, and Koshi is as close to confirmed town as it gets.
Sicklucker's play doesn't make sense as scum IMHO.
We should attack the fuck out of Vivax and Luna and I really want town to coordinate attacks. I will attack Lunatic. Sicklucker, ptmc, WoS, please do so, too, with the maximum attack damage you have. Dandel, iamp, Acro, please attack Vivax. Artanis, you too. At this point, I am considering Ritoky to be scum. Not enough activity, and he's popping up every now and then to not fall into afk category, and his posts imply that he's actively reading the thread.
Talk me through it. Why don't you think koshi's ability IS the no-lynch?
On October 25 2016 16:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Koshi, I did not attack you.
Also, if no one claims their AA on me I'll have to presume it came from scum.
Well. I did not do 5 damage to you. My basic damage is 7 btw, which I claimed before, of course this could be fake but come on... Does anybody has an attack that is 5? Or lower?
So I got so much damage and nobody from town claims it. I have a feeling I got the ulti from Wynter Wyvern on me and Artanis and iamp attacked me or something.
How much damage did you 2 do last night? Could it be over 35 together?
If I had wyverns ulti on me, would I be stunned? Maybe I would be.
Artanis can you answer? Did you do massive damage?
Paged back a bit, but cannot find any reason for koshi to assume winter wyvern ulti'd him, nor even any reason to assume winter wyvern is in the game, or what the fuck the ulti would even do if it were. Did I miss a claim somewhere?
Just for the record, I don't think sicklucker is scum. Someone with a better meta read on him, please come in, but I don't think a scum sicklucker would have been as open about his role. He also seems to have wanted to use rupture as a vig shot on WoS and GB, which seems like a legit action for him (I disagree with shooting WoS, but he has been stubbornly hounding WoS all game).
On October 25 2016 16:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Koshi, I did not attack you.
Also, if no one claims their AA on me I'll have to presume it came from scum.
Well. I did not do 5 damage to you. My basic damage is 7 btw, which I claimed before, of course this could be fake but come on... Does anybody has an attack that is 5? Or lower?
So I got so much damage and nobody from town claims it. I have a feeling I got the ulti from Wynter Wyvern on me and Artanis and iamp attacked me or something.
How much damage did you 2 do last night? Could it be over 35 together?
If I had wyverns ulti on me, would I be stunned? Maybe I would be.
Artanis can you answer? Did you do massive damage?
Paged back a bit, but cannot find any reason for koshi to assume winter wyvern ulti'd him, nor even any reason to assume winter wyvern is in the game, or what the fuck the ulti would even do if it were. Did I miss a claim somewhere?
Cuz that makes fucking sense from my POV.
He used winter wyvern curse on me and I got RB, and the people around me attack me for basic damage, probably also RBing them.
If that happened. Everything is explained. Even the 5 damage they got.
Okay, so you're just crazy. Think your explanation through. It makes literally no sense at all. At best, this is complete speculation. At worst, this is a TMI explanation of (a) Winter Wyvern being in the game and (b) what the fuck his ultimate would do in the case that he is in the game.
Seeing as you're almost certainly scum anyway, I think the second explanation is the correct one and you're making up some bizarro claim based on whatever scum abilities are in the game.
On October 25 2016 16:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Koshi, I did not attack you.
Also, if no one claims their AA on me I'll have to presume it came from scum.
Well. I did not do 5 damage to you. My basic damage is 7 btw, which I claimed before, of course this could be fake but come on... Does anybody has an attack that is 5? Or lower?
So I got so much damage and nobody from town claims it. I have a feeling I got the ulti from Wynter Wyvern on me and Artanis and iamp attacked me or something.
How much damage did you 2 do last night? Could it be over 35 together?
If I had wyverns ulti on me, would I be stunned? Maybe I would be.
Artanis can you answer? Did you do massive damage?
Paged back a bit, but cannot find any reason for koshi to assume winter wyvern ulti'd him, nor even any reason to assume winter wyvern is in the game, or what the fuck the ulti would even do if it were. Did I miss a claim somewhere?
Cuz that makes fucking sense from my POV.
He used winter wyvern curse on me and I got RB, and the people around me attack me for basic damage, probably also RBing them.
If that happened. Everything is explained. Even the 5 damage they got.
Okay, so you're just crazy. Think your explanation through. It makes literally no sense at all. At best, this is complete speculation. At worst, this is a TMI explanation of (a) Winter Wyvern being in the game and (b) what the fuck his ultimate would do in the case that he is in the game.
Seeing as you're almost certainly scum anyway, I think the second explanation is the correct one and you're making up some bizarro claim based on whatever scum abilities are in the game.
Well. iamp and Artanis both attacked me (this is fucking 100% confirmed to me) while they claim they didn't.
gogo explain that.
How do you know it was iamp and artanis, and not <insert random ranged character here>. You're making my brain melt.
On October 25 2016 16:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Koshi, I did not attack you.
Also, if no one claims their AA on me I'll have to presume it came from scum.
Well. I did not do 5 damage to you. My basic damage is 7 btw, which I claimed before, of course this could be fake but come on... Does anybody has an attack that is 5? Or lower?
So I got so much damage and nobody from town claims it. I have a feeling I got the ulti from Wynter Wyvern on me and Artanis and iamp attacked me or something.
How much damage did you 2 do last night? Could it be over 35 together?
If I had wyverns ulti on me, would I be stunned? Maybe I would be.
Artanis can you answer? Did you do massive damage?
Paged back a bit, but cannot find any reason for koshi to assume winter wyvern ulti'd him, nor even any reason to assume winter wyvern is in the game, or what the fuck the ulti would even do if it were. Did I miss a claim somewhere?
Cuz that makes fucking sense from my POV.
He used winter wyvern curse on me and I got RB, and the people around me attack me for basic damage, probably also RBing them.
If that happened. Everything is explained. Even the 5 damage they got.
Okay, so you're just crazy. Think your explanation through. It makes literally no sense at all. At best, this is complete speculation. At worst, this is a TMI explanation of (a) Winter Wyvern being in the game and (b) what the fuck his ultimate would do in the case that he is in the game.
Seeing as you're almost certainly scum anyway, I think the second explanation is the correct one and you're making up some bizarro claim based on whatever scum abilities are in the game.
Well. iamp and Artanis both attacked me (this is fucking 100% confirmed to me) while they claim they didn't.
gogo explain that.
Explain it any way different than I did
Lion, Visage, Bane, Sniper, Zeus, etc. nuked you (or pretty much any other char with a nuke). Artanis got pinged by random ranged player 1. Iamp got pinged by random ranged player 2. Artanis also got RB'd by random player 3. Iamp didn't get RB'd.
Luna, Lich, Gyrocopter, Tidehunter, etc. ultimated the lot of you, making you take lots of damage and Artanis and Iamp a little bit. Artanis got RB'd by random other player
You see, I can ALSO make up random abilities for random Dota heroes. Doesn't mean they're in the game, or even have those abilities.
Wait, you're even more insane than I thought. Iamperfection wasn´t even NEXT to you on D2. Dandel was. And he wasn't roleblocked for sure, because he moved to next to Koroko, exactly as he claimed he should. Koroko claimed 0 damage, though.
Winter Wyvern freezes an enemy in place while striking those nearby with a maddening curse which causes them to attack their frozen ally with increased attack speed. The frozen ally and those cursed to attack their ally are immune to all damage from their enemies.
So what?
Spectre flings a dagger to draw a Shadow Path, dealing damage and slowing the movement speed of any enemies along the trail. Units hit by the dagger also trail a Shadow Path. While treading the path, Spectre phases through otherwise impassable terrain.
Rolecop target player. Will return the role name of target player, but not their exact abilities. This ability can be roleblocked but not redirected.
On October 25 2016 19:30 Koshi wrote: Ok now I want to see what Acrofoles has to say.
The 5 hp damage is confirmed.
Explain now pls
I can deal 5 dmg. Spectre could deal 5 dmg. Lina could deal 5 dmg. Given that I know of 4 role pms, and 3 out of 4 of those deal 5 dmg, I don't think receiving 5 dmg is very interesting.
On October 25 2016 19:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I'm confused. You think I hit you, am lying about it but also think I'm town? wut?
Redirects are possible. However why do you think Koshi townreads you?
3 minutes earlier...
On October 25 2016 19:35 Koshi wrote: Well I figured that out. Was fun.
imo kill Vivax/Luna first. Afterthat ritoky/sicklucker/skynx/Acro. the ones who don't die and don't have damage done to them. If sicklucker is town, he should check heroes for being full hp.
Endgame it is up to people to find the mafia in LT/Hama and others. If WoS is mafia it is perfect for him that he can't post. I almost can't believe it lasts till forever. sicklucker probably knows it only last for 1 phase or so. Rupture isn't forever.
On October 21 2016 23:24 ptmc wrote: are you dire or radiant iamp?
Why do you want to know?
I have healing targeting specifically one of them, and i would like to know if you are among them. If you don't want to tell me i'll just have to try at some point.
On October 20 2016 23:36 AFK Jungle wrote: To clarify claiming a bit: You may claim your hero name. You may claim that you can do some basic role equivalent (E.g. doc, cop, vig and so on). You may not post the exact or close to exact wording of any content of your role PM. E.g. you may say: "I attacked disformation for 10" or "I cop checked disformation and got a red" or "I healed disformation for 10". E.g. you may not say: "I have a banhammer ability that has a 3 phase cooldown and lets me vig ppl who forget to vote."
Another thing on this. If your ability has any restrictions you may not say what those restrictions are. If your ability targets only dire. You may not say this. You can ask someone if they are dire. But you may not say why you are asking.
Doing so past this point will result in you losing that ability. Yes we are reading the game.
Usually in themed games, this type of warnings and restrictions are given so that town can't use ability claims to break the game. It was triggered by ptmc, and thus ptmc is most likely town.
On October 25 2016 19:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I'm confused. You think I hit you, am lying about it but also think I'm town? wut?
Exactly. Too many inconsistencies in Koshi's claims. Kill with fire.
there is literally no inconsistency in it.
Acro, ptmc, as you stay on a hard Koshi scumread, please elaborate in a big case post which we can evaluate. I am not able to put the work in right now as I'm on lunch break at work - and I'd really like to see where exactly there is inconsistency.
Koshi, please put in the work and summarize in a clean and readable and insult-free post what exactly your passive is, who attacked you and claimed to have received 5 damage, and let me know why you were so shit D1.
Please, Koshi, if you're town, don't refuse this.
I'm not scum-reading Koshi? I think he is more likely town but about to die soon. I also really dislike either acros posts or his reading comprehension.
Bad reading comprehension on my part. I read "There's literally no consistency in it". But you wrote "There's literally no inconsistency in it". My bad.
The Acro/Koshi interaction doesn't feel weird to you? I can not see where Acro's posts are coming from, except trying to paint Koshi in a bad light.
You got me. The only reason I try to prick through bullshit is to make the bullshitter look bad. Or maybe I just couldn't understand Koshi's bizarro claim based on hot air and "winter wyvern" speculation.
Guys, I took 7 damage on D1, and 10 damage on N1. The only way this makes sense is if I got hit by ExO_ the bristleback. THIS is the level of claim Koshi was making. Except it went further. When pointed to the fact that WW ulti working the way he had invented would hit Artanis and Dandel, not Artanis and Iamp, he assumed that there are special mechanics that apply to this specific ability. It is 9/11 truther level bullshit:
Step 1: invent theory to explain X Step 2: find facts that match theory. ignore facts that don't match theory Step 3: ignore all other explanations Step 4 invent further nonsense to cover faults of theory in step 1.
Does this make Koshi scum? No. This is just dumb. Koshi is scum for a whole host of other reasons independent of this nonsense. Will explain why later. It's lunchtime now.
First off, I took the time to look over his recent games to get an idea of how he plays. Pretty similar to what I remembered. He is good as either town or scum. The only difference I kinda feel is that maybe as town he is more confrontational and prone to get into fights. However, I don't remember scum koshi in a heavily themed game. He was scum with me in GoT mafia, which was themed, but didn't have wacko roles, just weird voting mechanics. I checked out Aperture 2 where he was town and actually has a similar idea to this game. He has some item, and when people distrust his claims and what he plans, he goes apeshit. So... I'm no longer convinced koshi is definitely scum.
However, I just can't shake that feeling. D1 he was just lurking and coasting by. And then came the claim, his filter is mostly about the claim, and I have copied some of the posts to show how this claim evolves:
Double lynch:
On October 23 2016 08:42 Koshi wrote: Also don't understand how people can think I am mafia while I have a double lynch.
On October 24 2016 00:14 Koshi wrote:
Maybe not a double lynch (also calls people who just took him at face value when he claimed "double lynch" stupid):
On October 24 2016 00:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Although I will admit a secret double lynch to begin with is a super bullshit power if you're telling the truth and I'll be even more unhappy if you're actually town and we lynch you for it.
Maybe you shouldn't see it as a fucking double lynch.
On October 24 2016 21:40 beentheredonethat wrote: Koshi, its madness to do the same thing over and over again but expect a different result. If youre town, leave the thread for some hours. Calm down. We all got your claim and no, as of now, we are not following you. But you are not todays lynch. So please go ahead and read people. Drop thoughts. Bring up your findings. All you do is claiming and raging, and people follow you in derailing the thread.
Really, Koshi. Stop raging, stop claiming, all is said and done. Calm down, then start to work. Read people outside of Vivax. Make suggestions for your second wagon.
Or, keep raging and yeah, nothing will change.
I cannot proof I am town unless you make 2 wagons? How hard is this too graps?
Hey Koshi we will lynch you when you don't kill the guy with a shitton of votes. But spoiler, we won't give a second guy a shitton of votes.
The clearest explanation yet: either a threshold or somehow proportional to number of votes. Has to send in the action on a specific player, and is thus not really linked to the lynch, just to the votes.
On October 25 2016 00:40 Koshi wrote: Ok guys. Let's say I need to afk the next 5 hours and need to send in now. I need to know there will be at least 6-7 votes on Lunatic today. He also needs to be the second lynch. Well, he doesn't have to be but if he is main lynch it is overkill obviously. If he doesn't have the votes he wont get 1-shotted.
On October 25 2016 01:16 Koshi wrote: Well. It happened. Everybody scumreads Lunatic so he should get ez 6-7 votes. I also get less effective with the more days pass.
Now, this happened directly after the night started:
On October 25 2016 07:12 Koshi wrote: I was hit for over 50 already so you can kill me tonight.
This was not long after the night post. He hasn't had time to mull it over, or at least, not more than about 40 minutes, as we all sat there f5'ing waiting to be allowed to post. He is not interested in the fact that his ability didn't work. He is interested in the damage he took. This while the vote count, and thus what he last claimed his ability worked on, was unchanged. Votes weren't nulled, they just didn't cause a lynch. It doesn't make sense to just take this as "par for the course", if you are a townie and expect to have murdered scum with your awesome pro-town double lynch ability. I was in a rage and it wasn't even my ability.
The explanation that makes the most sense is that he was fully expecting this shit to happen: he doesn't have a double lynch, he has a no-lynch. Circumstantial evidence: koshi is melee, and nightstalker is melee. We know koshi is melee because he jumped to HF to attack him in N1 (and mb to GB on D1, although it might be GB jumping to him too).
A few minutes later, he claims that a "mafia ability sucked up all the votes". However, a quick glance at the nightpost shows the votecount is still there. There is absolutely 0 evidence any votes were sucked up. Just that the lynch didn't happen.
In addition, we have this. I don't like doing it, but... "I told you so":
On October 23 2016 12:42 Hopeless1der wrote: If Koshi was able to prove he could double lynch, he would. But he cant, because its either not real or not revealed when activated. Or hes being a dick, which is obviously possible.
On October 23 2016 13:26 sicklucker wrote: well if koshi is scum hes doing everything a scum should do at the bottom of the barrel. trying to get votes/kp off him
It will happen at the end of the phase. I can't say more.
This seems mega super bullshit as a power for the record. If you actually activated a secret double lynch then A) that is not even remotely a town power B) I'll be mad at onegu
I still find it more likely that you're bullshitting rather than the above though. What are you not doing/not telling us?
Ezmode. Vote for koshi: ensure there is 1 vote on him, just in case he has some shitty scum ability he can use if nobody is voting for him. Then we form 2 wagons:
1. Vivax with a large majority of votes 2. Someone else. I'm still deciding who, but one of (Skynx, Artanis, Lunatic, Taco Bell, Lord Tolkien) seems like a pretty good starting point.
Now. If the double lynch happens as planned, yay! We revisit koshi tomorrow. If the double lynch doesn't happen, koshi confirmed as scum. He'll claim roleblocked, but nobody gonna believe that shit, and we 100% lynch him tomorrow.
On October 25 2016 16:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Koshi, I did not attack you.
Also, if no one claims their AA on me I'll have to presume it came from scum.
Well. I did not do 5 damage to you. My basic damage is 7 btw, which I claimed before, of course this could be fake but come on... Does anybody has an attack that is 5? Or lower?
So I got so much damage and nobody from town claims it. I have a feeling I got the ulti from Wynter Wyvern on me and Artanis and iamp attacked me or something.
How much damage did you 2 do last night? Could it be over 35 together?
If I had wyverns ulti on me, would I be stunned? Maybe I would be.
Artanis can you answer? Did you do massive damage?
Paged back a bit, but cannot find any reason for koshi to assume winter wyvern ulti'd him, nor even any reason to assume winter wyvern is in the game, or what the fuck the ulti would even do if it were. Did I miss a claim somewhere?
Cuz that makes fucking sense from my POV.
He used winter wyvern curse on me and I got RB, and the people around me attack me for basic damage, probably also RBing them.
If that happened. Everything is explained. Even the 5 damage they got.
I won't overanalyze the whole winter wyvern bullshit, which was mostly just shitting up the thread with baseless action wifom.
Koshi: is your action refunded if you get roleblocked? Why didn't you claim roleblocked FIRST THING rather than wine about the damage you took?
On October 25 2016 19:14 Koshi wrote: Unless you 1) Disbelieve I got damaged and I instantly knew I had to fakeclaim damage. 2) Disbelieve both Artanis and iamp claiming lost 5hp 3) Disbelieve BM confirms I attacked Artanis or Artanis attack me and lost it. He seems to not know how. 4) Disbelieve Artanis claims RB and not attacking me.
Explain all this with me being Balanar using curse of Darkness.
GOGOGOGOGOGO
well if your mafia you can coordinate that with your team.. its getting pretty far fetched but its still possible you claimed this with the intention to have your team mate stop it. motives are pretty weak tho
1) Damage can be real. People attacking koshi does not sound surprising to me. 2) For real. How many people in this game can do 5 damage? 3) BM didn't confirm Artanis/Koshi attacked one another. He derped when looking at the movement charts. 4) I believe Artanis
And moreover, it should have hit DANDEL, not Iamperfection, and DI claimed no damage. So... 9/11 truther level critical thinking here.
On October 26 2016 01:25 sicklucker wrote: iamperfection you recieved 5 damage correct and did not attack koshi? I dont really want to reread an entire huge thread
I attacked LT and didn't receive the damage I expected I only took 5. Hope says he was responsible for me taking less
no your 5 damage was a mafia aoe attack that also hit me artanis and others. so we are obvious towns now I think
Claiming a random 5 dmg aoe makes marginally more sense than something uber specific like winter wyvern ultimate. It's just that the people hit are randomly distributed over the board. I guess something like Phantom Lancer's ultimate might do something like that? But seems pretty OP for a mafia daytime ability.
On October 26 2016 01:35 sicklucker wrote: did you recieve your damage at night iamp? the 5 damage.
to acro- literally everyone between me and iamp has recieved 5 damage or is not around to tell us they didnt recieve final damage. We must investigate this
Wut? You're worlds away from each other (and were on D2 too). For starters, I am between you two and took 0 damage on D2.
On October 26 2016 01:35 sicklucker wrote: did you recieve your damage at night iamp? the 5 damage.
to acro- literally everyone between me and iamp has recieved 5 damage or is not around to tell us they didnt recieve final damage. We must investigate this
Wut? You're worlds away from each other (and were on D2 too). For starters, I am between you two and took 0 damage on D2.
On October 26 2016 01:46 Koshi wrote: I am going to die so you people can read my pm. To not break the rules I will say, people that attack me get 5 damage, and this is confirmed by btdt getting 3 times 5 damage when he attacked me.
But again. You can read it yourselves soon enough.
On October 25 2016 23:52 Acrofales wrote: Koshi: is your action refunded if you get roleblocked? Why didn't you claim roleblocked FIRST THING rather than wine about the damage you took?
I wondered about 2 things. 1) Why didn't my ulti go through 2) Why did I get so much damage.
1) I still don't know because this game has a closed set up and all kind of shit can happen. But my opinion is that I got stunned by something and due to BM saying I did 5 damage to Artanis I believe people around me attacked me. Winter Wyvern just makes sense to me. So if somewhere in the game you copcheck somebody and he is WW just murder him. Also, I can't be RB'ed. So I knew it wasn't that.
2) I didn't know what happened to my ulti so I just ignored that for the time being, thought it was tied to the darkness thing, thought the night kinda came early so the EoD resolution just didn't happen, anyway, I was upset about getting so much damage so I whined about that. I felt I played a very townie D2. Almost cheated my way to confirmed town status, but you people are really just too dense.
PS: I still have my ulti. That I know. PSII: RIP Koshi
Not role blocked, but didn't happen. And you still have the ability? What madness is this? Did you ask the hosts?
It's more that people moaning about the sad state of the game are usually scum gloating about how well they are doing. Town might rage at a mislynch, but don't usually wallow. That post felt as if it was wallowing.
On October 26 2016 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hi brain=dead. We still murdering Vivax at night ye?
Too much risk imo. Scum knows we really really want him dead. If there's ever a moment to blademail, shallow grave, remote mine or random other protection or pgo ability, this is it.
On October 26 2016 01:14 beentheredonethat wrote: So, main wagon is Tictock. Fine. Second wagon is Koshi, assumed town!Koshi.
That makes a total of 7 votes that are outside of the main wagons, not committing to anything. People voting outside of wagons are: Hamazura, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, Kurumi, WaveOfShadow, ptmc, ExO_, Glowingbear.
The thing is that we have literally 1, and only one confirmed town on the Tictock wagon. The other kill was a replacement that did not vote.
ptmc, why did you stay on WoS during D1? Kurumi, WoS, why did you vote Lord Tolkien at that time? ExO_, why did you vote Dandel and rode it through although it was not happening? GB, why ritoky? Why not a main wagon? HamazuraXTakitsubo, why did you leave your vote on Lunaticman?
Sadly, only ptmc and maybe WoS will probably answer those questions as the rest is afk, not interested, or scum.
I was too late to make a reasonable switch. I came in with like 5-10 mins maximum, and that was not enough time to convince me of killing TT (one of my solid TR's) or Koshi. Since it didn't matter much for the final votes, I just stuck to what I knew, which was that Wave felt scummy.
On October 26 2016 01:22 sicklucker wrote: also it looks like this 5 dmg thing was a mafia aoe attack. (no town has claimed it. I did not recieve damage like koshi says because I didnt attack him)
This means the people who are in the area are most likely town. bill wos me art iamp? and should be offlimits today and a scum claim if you attack them
A lot of attacks are 5 dmg, i think. But coupled with this:
On October 26 2016 01:50 sicklucker wrote: someone really needs to keep an pudated track of playerlist movements on a single page with what date it changed for situations like this. town points~
we could maybe make something happen. I'll work on it tomorrow if it isn't done by then. And shit was i ever salty today. People in my office even asked if everything was ok.
Anyway, because you derps don't even keep track of movements, I'll copy this from my spreadsheet. But srsly, movements are the easiest to track. Claims are tricky, but movement... here:
Starting: Tictock Rels Vivax Holyflare Skynx iamperfection sicklucker beentheredonethat ExO_ Lunaticman HamazuraXTakitsubo Tubesock Bill Murray Acrofales Koshi Eversince ptmc Kurumi ritoky Hopeless1der Dandel Ion WaveofShadow GlowingBear Lord Tolkien
N1: Bill Murray Rels/Artanis[Xp] Dandel Ion Holyflare Skynx iamperfection beentheredonethat Lunaticman HamazuraXTakitsubo ptmc ExO_ Acrofales Eversince/NM Kurumi Hopeless1der ritoky Vivax Koshi GlowingBear sicklucker WaveofShadow Tubesock Lord Tolkien
D2: Bill Murray ptmc Rels/Artanis[Xp] Dandel Ion Koshi iamperfection Skynx beentheredonethat Lunaticman HamazuraXTakitsubo Koroko ExO_ Acrofales Kurumi Hopeless1der ritoky Vivax Tubesock GlowingBear sicklucker WaveofShadow Lord Tolkien
N2: Bill Murray Rels/Artanis[Xp] Koshi iamperfection Skynx beentheredonethat Lunaticman HamazuraXTakitsubo Dandel Ion Koroko ExO_ Acrofales Kurumi Hopeless1der Vivax ritoky Tubesock ptmc GlowingBear Lord Tolkien sicklucker WaveofShadow
The actual movements, or at least, my most reasonable guess as to what could produce these changes, in combination with claims:
Note that there are some other ways of getting the list, in particular the bottom part. Instead of glowingbear moving to H1der, it could be that LT stayed put, and WoS moved up to LT, however that is counter claimed by both WoS and LT (LT claims he moved up to WoS, and WoS has not claimed any movement and I saw no reason in his filter to assume he hit LT in any case). Exo's position doesn't really seem unifiable with the claim.
N1: Skynx -> btdt (????? claimed hit Iamperfection) tubesock -> vivax koshi -> holyflare ptmc -> BM koroko created between Hama and Exo
There is one unexplained move. This could also be explained if iamperfection moved to attack koshi on N1. Iamperfection claimed "no attack".
Converting from google docs to post format took longer than I thought. Guess it's time for a quick nightly reads too:
Kill with fire: Vivax Koshi Lunatic
Slow roast (from scummiest to nulliest): GB LT Hama (probly modkill territory :/ ) H1 Kurumi (can I use my wildcard on what the fuck he is?) ritoky Skynx
Town in order of certainty: Iamp WoS Artanis btdt sicklucker Dandel (probably. downgraded because his activity is dropping) BM (probably) ptmc (probably) tubesock (least certain of the lot)
Meepo: Exo (doesn't feel townie effort, but don't get a scum feel either). Koroko (duh)
I got hit for a hell of a lot of damage. I can't really know for exactly how much because reasons. But it's all good, I can take it. Keep it coming, scummers.
On October 26 2016 07:07 ritoky wrote: This town is such a trainwreck that they are probably going to lose before I can complete my win condition, so I sacrificed a night of cloning to use this sentry ward that I somehow got. Koshi should have been a prime target for information but people are mind-bogglingly dumb I suppose.
What information are you looking for? We know he is mafia.
looking for confirmed towns to kill his stupid ass, looking for mafia to kill him cuz he claimed his "double lynch" was refunded, looking for investigations because he is the center of controversy. looking for anyone i can befriend.
How would you analyse that? Say someone visited him, is he now confirmed town trying to attack Koshi or confirmed mafia, trying to take town Koshi down?
Are you legit serious with this question?
It's an indistinguishable visit, what you take from it depends on your interpretation?
Not voted (4): Tictock, Rels, Eversince, WaveofShadow
It looks like Vivax is about to be owned. Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00) and resolves one hour later, at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
HF came in and voted TT, and then you have iamp, Tubesock, Dandel, Ritoky all within 5 minutes of each other. This made him the lead wagon at 7 votes, with lunatic man being 2nd closest at 3. Tubesock then bails for Koshi, a few other random votes happen, before BM/Koshi/bndt all come in to seal the deal.
On day 2 Vivax was basically a lock, before lunatic started really picking up some steam. TS says some really interesting things in this time period:
On October 25 2016 02:48 Tubesock wrote: I don't think Lunatic is mafia. But I don't have any solid reasons. Mostly I didn't like the wagon yesterday.
##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax ##Vote: Skynx
On October 25 2016 03:39 Tubesock wrote: I think Luna is town. I won't vote for him. Looking through his filter, I tried to gather his reads.
Towns: beentheredonethat 1 of Koshi/Artanis (and only because of dead HF) I think that's it.
Scums: HolyFlare Koshi (if not Koshi then Artanis[Xp] and 100% sheep of HF)
I don't know Lunaticman. Never played with him. But if he is mafia, is he lunatic enough to tunnel hard on 2 strong willed players? Like right out the gate. He immediately votes Koshi, then still within the first 12 hours or so of the game he starts on HF. And Never leaves either of them the ENTIRE time. He's still on Koshi. Mafia or town, going headstrong on HF kinda means you just may die. Lunaticman attacks and goes after him.
He doesn't veer off from them. WHich i think is towny too. I know when I start thinking strongly that someone is mafia, I get more obstinate. It pretty much dominates my conversation if no one is listening or agreeing. There was shade on HF when he wasn't playing. Then he did and everyone thought he was town (otherwise why follow his TT case?). Lunatic still scum'd him till HF died. He had perfect opportunity to town HF and get off HF's bad side and still look good for going up against him. But town doesn't do that.
I spoiled a few of his posts but not all. The ones I skipped either were repeats of earlier posts (like HF is scum for making him appear bad) etc.
I think his main crime isn't putting in 12 hours a day here and only giving 5 player reads. Maybe a bit defensive but I've seen worse from town.
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote: apparantly you're not the only one
at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean
Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.
Also ritoky is definitely mafia.
That is some shady accusations without any reasons and I beg to differ greatly. I have been on point, I think you are trying to undermine my credibility. Typical mafia play.
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote: apparantly you're not the only one
at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean
Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.
Also ritoky is definitely mafia.
Yeh, pmtc or whatever his name is pretty on point. Lunatic's read on koshi was after everyone else started calling out koshi.
Lunatic's other reads are one liners that are throwaway comments despite making a post that only important things should be posted. Then he calls me town and mafia like to do that.
Stop sheeping and undermining me, I was meta reading Koshi independently from anyone, in fact bt was sheeping my read not the other way around.
On October 21 2016 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote: Holyflare, you've been in a game scum with Koshi and town with Koshi. Please skim his filter and tell me if you also think he's scum.
On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote: Oh I forgot about Luna
hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah?
I didn't buss anyone.
What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF?
I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why.
So omgus?
haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc.
Skynx (list post struck me as wrong but can't place finger on it) Lunaticman (crap tunnel based on nothing followed by nothing) ExO_ (why) Kurumi Vivax Koshi GlowingBear WaveofShadow
Null:
Bill Murray (said atrocious things all game but some hidden le gems)
Artanis (maybe up to scummy soon)
Btdt (artanis making me hesitant but deadline stuff was scummy)
Hamazura (need more)
Acrofales (not read at all but i don't think towny whenever read what he says)
ritoky (i think he tried to pocket me with gb/luna read but playing too stiff maybe move to scummy)
Lord Tolkien (hesitant to remove but probably should based on dmg on wave)
Tubesock (zzzz?)
HF this entire post is just undermining town authority, not one real target just suspicion on an endless merry go around. Your playing exactly like Koshi.
You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation.
For example why are there no townies on your list? That is more important than 6 different scum reads that amount to nothing.
A more productive move would be to try to analyze how the wagon formed and why. That way we could probably see if Koshi was indeed saved by a scum mate or not.
On October 22 2016 18:54 Holyflare wrote: I also literally just told you how the wagon formed, it was me. I also talked about btdt's actioms at deadline whicj you just undermined for no reason.
You're all talk and no substance.
Chill, maybe I was a bit vague.
I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not.
For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader.
Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective.
The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose.
On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote: There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3
On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote: Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die.
The really interesting thing here is these posts are about 50 minutes apart. Instead of seeing something then drawing a conclusion based on what he saw, TS first drew the conclusion that lunaticman is town, then found the evidence to back it up.
I find TS highly suspicious.He hops off the Vivax wagon (after being the first to vote him), and then he hops off the TT wagon day 1 as soon as it got a majority. He defends lunaticman as the lunatic wagon is gaining steam on day 2. And then surprise No lynch on day 2. I think this heavily implicates Tubesock. I could see Lunaticman being either scum or town here. It makes a lot more sense to me if Lunaticman is scum, as it would explain why day 2 ends without a lynch with the threat of Koshi's Double lynch. However for me to accept this idea Koshi has to be telling the truth. I can't stand playing with Koshi b/c of how intolerable he is to everyone. It makes me think he's a lying and scum even when he is telling the truth.
On the other side of the coin, I could also see TS making a case for Lunaticman in an attempt to earn towncred for later. But then I'm left with the question: why did day 2 end without a lynch? Maybe scum didn't end the day maybe it was a 3rd party role? Or maybe Vivax is scum and the move was purely to keep him alive?...hmmm I'm not sure.
Either way, my initial thoughts are that TS looks very scummy to me. I think I'm gonna check out Koshi now. But I think TS is my strongest scum read after Vivax.
Too many mental gymnastics. They stopped the lynch to prevent Vivax from getting lynched, and obviously frustrating the hell out of town. Added bonus, if koshi is town then they have a double reason to no-lynch: wasting town ultimates is always good for scum.
@koshi: can you confirm you still have your vote-damage/double lynch ability?
If so, i trust WoS and we need a 2nd wagon on gb by the end of the day.
We should attack the fuck out of Vivax and Luna and I really want town to coordinate attacks. I will attack Lunatic. Sicklucker, ptmc, WoS, please do so, too, with the maximum attack damage you have. Dandel, iamp, Acro, please attack Vivax. Artanis, you too.
Putting this out here again.
GB and Koshi should be fairly low health sans heals.
Oh that's very interesting. Did Lunatic ever claim being hit before? Who did btdt attack before? Was it Koshi? I guess I was assuming he'd try to max out his power by going for the same person both nights but if thought Koshi was scum D1 and then not D2 that obviously makes sense
Btdt attacked koshi 3 times. Then Luna once. Pity. If he has stuck on koshi, koshi would probably be dead, with that 68 dmg + whatever other people did to him.
On October 26 2016 11:48 WaveofShadow wrote: These two posts don't really align, for the record, GB.
On October 26 2016 11:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2016 09:00 WaveofShadow wrote: ##vote: Vivax
My list as of last night still stands, except without the giant bold red letters on sicklucker. Assuming most (if not all) of the town believes I am town as well, why exactly did so many people still shoot into LT tonight? I suppose I can't blame you guys entirely, but Tubesock you especially (assuming you did the brunt of the damage) wasting a massive KP for town on him when I didn't list him as scum----especially when you've had me hard town forever? Bleh.
Anyway, THIS LIST, in case people have ignored it so far:
They all need to die. In something like this order, preferably. (I added Exo)
Glowingbear is scum. I have confirmed this, and no, you don't need to know how. Why am I claiming this now when Vivax is already up? In case other people have some daytime stuff we can do to remove him. I'd give Koshi a chance here to do his thing today, but the reason he is on the list, is as I stated last night, it is nearly impossible to tell if he performed the no lynch action himself or if it was instigated by scum. If he is able to do it again today, we'll obviously know but until he proves himself town somehow (since a secret vote-damage-killing ability is not even remotely solely pro-town like he says) he needs to be on the block. As I believe he is likely at low life, this shouldn't be difficult.
There are probably one or two people I'm missing and maybe someone who's wrong on there. The lurk makes things fairly difficult, but I don't believe I am massively wrong. The people who are under some amount of suspicion like Ritoky (who I have zero reason not to believe his claim), Skynx, Tubesock and Bill Murray I am fine with.
As far as sicklucker---ugh. What I said about him last night is basically true. He's in Koshi tier right now because I can't be absolutely certain he isn't being the ballsiest scum ever---I could swear he has flat out claimed or made massive fakeclaims as scum before and had it work out for him. I don't know why I think this either but I'm not going to do the legwork involved. If somebody else wants to they're more than welcome. In any case, probabyl low priority right now but eventually he may have to be removed.
Iamp you're in HF tier for me right now---that is I'm a little paranoid. You're universally townread I believe and since you can't be 3P anymore (probably) the fact that you're still alive and mostly unscathed is concerning, but not to such a degree that I;m willing to even remotely focus on you above anyone else I've listed. Just some thoughts for the future (and I say HF tier because I'm sure you could be thinking the same about me if you're town---this is how HF and I play every game together. Neither of us ever truly trust the other.)
I can't be certain if protection was used on me last night (well I can, but you guys don't need to know how I'd know that either) but I didn't take any damage. Don't claim if you helped me out.
Random thoughts: Scum KP likely works (I hope) similarly to how I did it in LoL mafia. There is likely some large amount of factional KP (whether this has to be delivered is a hosting choice I guess, and only somewhat relevant right now), and hopefully this can be reduced once we finally start picking them off. I would say if they can somehow prevent Vivax from dying AGAIN today we're probably super fucked because it seems as though they decided to chunk a few people last night instead of outright killing any one person just in case of protection. As such, use protection accordingly.
I should be able to do a bunch more going forward assuming I'm not silenced again or somebody does something real derpy.
I know this was kinda disjointed but I wanted to get some thoughts out while they were somewhat fresh. There might be more.
When I flip green you know who to lynch
On October 26 2016 11:45 GlowingBear wrote: I'm really upset for being scumread for reasibs that doesn't make me Mafia WoS, why do you scumread me?
Try again.
I'll tell you how they align.
You've just hinted you confirmed me as mafia by using ways related to mechanics. It means you're lying or you're bluffing, because I am town. Therefore, you must have very strong reasons for which you believe I am mafia, or you're just simply mafia, which I'm starting to believe in.
I've only seen you saying I'm useless. The problem is that (1) being useless doesn't mean I'm mafia and (2) I'm not being that useless since I'm posting reads from times to times.
You don't seem to care for those reads I post. You only seem to be interested in pushing my lynch without reevaluating if you're wrong or not. You don't react to the new information I post in thread at all. You're playing an easy game.
My question is: how can you keep calling me useless without even giving me the chance to be town? Why are you so right on me being mafia that nothing changes the way you think? I've done NOTHING scummy in order to have you this tunneled on me.
You're also being quite selective between the lurkers. Say, what's so different between my play and hopeless' play in your POV?
On October 26 2016 07:13 Hopeless1der wrote: I got bloody trucked. Good lord.
##vote: Vivax
I don't believe you.
Well, that's not true. I just don't believe scum could have hit you. I got hit for a metric fuckton and btdt died, almost certainly to scum damage.
Like I said, depending on HP values and between scum factional KP and abilities this is entirely possible, and I have no reason to believe the both of you didn't eat it tonight.
I don't think they're spreading out damage to any real extent. They did enough to kill btdt, and hit me for 50+ damage. If I wasn't awesome, I would be dead. That lines up with their NKs on N1.
On October 26 2016 17:03 Bill Murray wrote: i like exo's ts read a lot
I think his analysis of D1 voting behavior can be on point. I don't think we should try to read anything in D2 voting behavior. Scum already knew they could no-lynch, so would happily bus their buddy. In addition, the wagons were almost unanimous.
I'll reread tubesock D1, but I remember I only really put him in my townpile based on later behavior.
On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote: That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off
I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.
Wtf wtf wtf.
Okay. Too bizar a time to claim to really mistrust right now... but this is bizar. If you have 15 heroes, that's greater than half the game. Presumably you had a winching with one of the guys that flipped already. Tell us what you had to do or face death by basic attack...
On October 26 2016 21:36 Koshi wrote: ritoky claims that placing an item that he got from the hosts costed his entire turn? I find that hard to believe.
-He claims to be 3p -He gets an item completely useless to his role. -He gets an item that is solely "pro-town" as 3p, sounds like backseat modding and I don't think they would do that. -The item does completely nothing, I was hit for tons each day and then right when I am about to die nothing happens. -The item sees I heal myself? Which seems like a tracker and not a watcher. Which is pretty cool so I am confirmed not doing bad things.
Ritoky should be forced to claim his wincon to the smallest details. Because even with mafia killing each day 3 townies, the game still lasts long enough for him to make 5, even 6 copies. Unless Vivax is not mafia and we decide to not lynch mafia 3 more times after that. Which I don't believe at all.
If Vivax flips town, Ritoky should always be the next lynch. Not that a single hair on my head thinks that.
On October 26 2016 07:07 ritoky wrote: This town is such a trainwreck that they are probably going to lose before I can complete my win condition, so I sacrificed a night of cloning to use this sentry ward that I somehow got. Koshi should have been a prime target for information but people are mind-bogglingly dumb I suppose.
Unless there is also a 3p vendor in the game it is the hosts.
Oh you were right he did 'just get it.' that is weird.
I'm still not concerning myself with 3P claims over sure scum yet.
Ignoring them is bad play. Look at iamp in Palmar Themed game. Pressure them hard and learn everything they can do or kill them. Then they are forced to claim everything or play against their wincon.
This makes sense. And Koshi can be scum AND saying these things at the same time. I'm so happy
On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way.
can you elaborate on your "help"?
Removing would be an apt way of putting it.
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote: That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off
I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.
Wtf wtf wtf.
Okay. Too bizar a time to claim to really mistrust right now... but this is bizar. If you have 15 heroes, that's greater than half the game. Presumably you had a winching with one of the guys that flipped already. Tell us what you had to do or face death by basic attack...
Spectre died and was in there. He was one of the heroes I needed to deliver fatal dmg to for one of my objectives.
On October 26 2016 20:16 ptmc wrote: [quote] can you elaborate on your "help"?
Removing would be an apt way of putting it.
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote: That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off
I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.
Wtf wtf wtf.
Okay. Too bizar a time to claim to really mistrust right now... but this is bizar. If you have 15 heroes, that's greater than half the game. Presumably you had a winching with one of the guys that flipped already. Tell us what you had to do or face death by basic attack...
Spectre died and was in there. He was one of the heroes I needed to deliver fatal dmg to for one of my objectives.
Did you?
No.
Are you secretly an SK and those 15 heroes are simply your hit list?
On October 25 2016 02:35 GlowingBear wrote: Oh and I'm okay with WoS, might be town I dislike hopeless, would lynch in a pinch And I dislike sicklucker but I always think he is mafia
You didn't have a problem with me here even though HF was suspicious of me longer before this
Like....you are literally calling me scum now right after you called me TOWN after posting this:
On October 24 2016 22:11 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2016 13:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok so hamazura has done legit fucking nothing. I think due to weird 'newbie-to-the-site' statements and questions he's more likely to be town but he got just be one of those tricksy little hobbitses who knows to make himself look like that. Hard to say for sure. I'd say pick him off at night or with KP but again, there are better targets I think.
Overall town really needs to step it up I think or we just lose to ourselves. Of all the people consistently under suspicion:
LT GB Hamazura Exo SL Tubesock Lunatic and so on and so forth
If you are town,if you do not want to lose, pick up the slack and prove to us you're town.
Wave, there's a huge problem in people's suspucions on me: their suspicions are based on me being useless. It is right that effort is a town trait, but lack of effort isn't, per se, a scum trait.
You're basically calling scum every lurker.
oh GB
poor, poor GB.
I can call you town and change my mind, it's the nature of people who doesn't have perfect information
But having different opinions based on the same data is kinda weird, no?
It's not different opinions on the same data? The reasons I found WoS town and WoS scummy are unrelated. If HF found WoS was scummy for rreasons that I found WoS was town, it doesn't matter, because the relevant information I've brought was that two dead townies thought WoS was scum. Period.
WoS can't even answer me directly. You're all assuming he has a check on me when it is impossible that he has. And he isn't even hard claiming because he knows he doesn't have a check. It's ridiculous and so obvious he has been dodging all the legit suspicions I have on him.
By the way I forgot to add hopeless to that list of Mafia team.
I'm town and I don't think WoS is scum. Can we just do a poll or something? Omgosh.
On October 26 2016 07:24 Dandel Ion wrote: anyway afk until vivax' flip
This is scummy
how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho
On October 26 2016 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:02 ritoky wrote:
On October 26 2016 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 11:32 ritoky wrote: also if iamp is mafia, it is because he takes more than he gives. dunno if he is though.
So are you voting alongside us/helping us for now so the game continues? I assume you just leave the game if you just get to where you want?
Is there anything that you're not telling us that can affect us in any particular way? Like can you recruit as some people were suggesting?
i need 1 or 2 mafia to die for enough phases to win i believe. i don't recruit, i don't get more votes, and i believe i disappear upon completing my objective.
i have a move + attack each day phase.
that's pretty much it. so yes i need to town side.
Who wants to CC ritoky? because otherwise I advocate straight up ignoring him until we clear out a couple mafia.
I wouldn't waste a cc on him. I bet there is something he's not telling us but overall he does seem fairly harmless, and if he helps us kill scum I'm cool with him
idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e.
wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys
On October 26 2016 13:05 GlowingBear wrote: He was suspicious of WoS, called Exo lunatic and Skynx mafia. Also called dandelion Mafia.
On October 26 2016 13:07 GlowingBear wrote: WoS, dandelion, skynx, Exo, lunaticman
Probs mafia team
so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me.
On October 26 2016 16:59 ExO_ wrote: I swear to god this happens in literally every single game I play on TL. Every time I think I make a really good case it gets dismissed and not discussed. Every single time. Its so frustrating. Am I really making that many leaps of logic with my read? I don't think so at all yet nobody will even give my case time of day
have you tried KISSing yet
I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax
On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:
Clues: There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.
and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?
Why would town use no lynch that day? There is no town motivation to do so.
There is Mafia motivation to do so. What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia
What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?
On October 26 2016 23:30 GlowingBear wrote: I ask all of you willingness to interact with me. I have 5 pages of filter, it's not that much to read, and if you keep ignoring me/tunneled on me and not willing to reconsider your positions I'll just peace out and let you lose to goddammn obv Mafia
On October 26 2016 23:32 Dandel Ion wrote: hey his reasoning on me is 'he said he'd go afk, didn't, but btnd said so so i'll just stick with it'
I tbink you're just hanging here without really having motivstion to discover people's alignment. That AFK was just a trigger that changed you from suspiciois to scummy
On October 26 2016 23:39 WaveofShadow wrote: And you know, actually, now that I look at btdt's filter, he didn't have me at scum when he died. He had me at likely town. You're just conveniently looking at his posts from earlier on in the game when he found me scummy.
On October 26 2016 07:24 Dandel Ion wrote: anyway afk until vivax' flip
This is scummy
how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho
On October 26 2016 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:02 ritoky wrote: [quote]
i need 1 or 2 mafia to die for enough phases to win i believe. i don't recruit, i don't get more votes, and i believe i disappear upon completing my objective.
i have a move + attack each day phase.
that's pretty much it. so yes i need to town side.
Who wants to CC ritoky? because otherwise I advocate straight up ignoring him until we clear out a couple mafia.
I wouldn't waste a cc on him. I bet there is something he's not telling us but overall he does seem fairly harmless, and if he helps us kill scum I'm cool with him
idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e.
wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys
On October 26 2016 13:05 GlowingBear wrote: He was suspicious of WoS, called Exo lunatic and Skynx mafia. Also called dandelion Mafia.
On October 26 2016 13:07 GlowingBear wrote: WoS, dandelion, skynx, Exo, lunaticman
Probs mafia team
so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me.
On October 26 2016 16:59 ExO_ wrote: I swear to god this happens in literally every single game I play on TL. Every time I think I make a really good case it gets dismissed and not discussed. Every single time. Its so frustrating. Am I really making that many leaps of logic with my read? I don't think so at all yet nobody will even give my case time of day
have you tried KISSing yet
I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax
On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:
Clues: There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.
and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?
Why would town use no lynch that day? There is no town motivation to do so.
There is Mafia motivation to do so. What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia
What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?
Who cares? Vivax IS scum...
Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.
No. He's scum because it says so in his role pm...
On October 26 2016 23:39 WaveofShadow wrote: And you know, actually, now that I look at btdt's filter, he didn't have me at scum when he died. He had me at likely town. You're just conveniently looking at his posts from earlier on in the game when he found me scummy.
On October 26 2016 23:37 iamperfection wrote: So has gb killed himself yet with his posts ?
I mean I'm still enjoying myself watching him flail but if you mean literally (as in maybe SL did his thing to him lol?) I don't think so.
Care to explain why the check is impossible GB? Also I'd be glad to answer anything you have to throw at me for funz.
Because I am town
Excellent. The game is solved. Will all scum please just state their alignment and line up for lynching. Thank you for your compliance!
On October 27 2016 02:22 Acrofales wrote: But for real. It's time for info. Why did you visit H1? What happened? Who have you visited since (and why haven't you moved for it).
I didn't visit hopeless a single time.
I did investigate ptmc, ritoky, and Hama. I was rolenlocked while visiting ptmc.
and? What was ritoky and hama?
Phew. I'll come clean. I'm 3p. One of my win con is to find my enemies and eliminate them. I have an investigative role that says if certain person is my enemy or not. They are not my enemies. My other win con is to survive until the end of the game
Trolololol. At least you tried. There's too many 3ps. I think you're just a scum rolecop. At least tell us what roles your checks gave. Especially ritoky and Hama taco.
On October 26 2016 13:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Here's another fun couple of questions for you because I'm bored:
What happened to you last night, and why haven't you claimed any attacks?
Last night I forgot to take action and I didn't do a single attack in this game
What did you do d1? Your movement is unexplained. I think you hit H1der...
I have an investigative skill which I've been using.
You're mafia's rolecop? Who's what? Maybe you can help the SK Artanis fulfill his mission and bugger off.
↑ sounds like nervous scum to me.
Case me. I'm bored town waiting for your scumbuddy Vivax to flip. Then we can wait another 72 hours for GB to flip. So trolling the scummers is my entertainment right now. It's why I'm entertaining you too. Case me up!
On October 27 2016 04:09 ritoky wrote: GB what exact results do your investigations return? Alignment? Name? Role? Enemy/not enemy?
Enemy/not enemy
So you're not even going to give us something useful?
@artanis: damn it. Why is your claim so believable and so unbelievable at the same time? I mean... Viper. It just depressant make sense to have all those bizarro conditions. But if it were fake, then either you're town and very bored or scum and playing against your wincon. So I believe you're 3p. Just... you sure you're not an SK?
On October 27 2016 05:39 sicklucker wrote: You guys need to respect each other man. I have completely checked out of this game which I have never done ever before. Everytime I make a post its berated by half the thread this game is the most cancer game I have ever been in.
But you're town. Keep playing plz. We're well on track to lynching scum. And we have more lined up for the next days too. Town gonna win!
On October 26 2016 13:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Here's another fun couple of questions for you because I'm bored:
What happened to you last night, and why haven't you claimed any attacks?
Last night I forgot to take action and I didn't do a single attack in this game
What did you do d1? Your movement is unexplained. I think you hit H1der...
I have an investigative skill which I've been using.
You're mafia's rolecop? Who's what? Maybe you can help the SK Artanis fulfill his mission and bugger off.
↑ sounds like nervous scum to me.
Case me. I'm bored town waiting for your scumbuddy Vivax to flip. Then we can wait another 72 hours for GB to flip. So trolling the scummers is my entertainment right now. It's why I'm entertaining you too. Case me up!
oh btw, me healing myself (or visiting myself), how does that work with me being Balanar and being melee etc? Which was 80% of your shitcase.
Have to admit that I can't see any reason for Balanar to target himself with an ability. You have a point there.
Oh, and this is fucking hilarious. I am looking at this, and I can think of no reason not to claim here, right now.
I am not going to claim my rolename, because I fear Artanis and I can still lose by accidentally dying, but I am 3P. I vouch for GP. He is 100% confirmed 3P in my mind, because he is my enemy. I never checked him. He was in my short list, but his movement on D1 threw me off.
When he claimed he had a detective, he rocketed back to being my number 1 suspect and then he claimed... and then he used his shot that kills me to blast ptmc in the face. I know, because I have the same shot, except I still have it to shoot him in the face at the end of this day. Until that time, I am around to help town!
TLDR: I claim 3P assassin, and you won't have to worry about me past the end of the day.
On October 27 2016 06:02 Dandel Ion wrote: if he can do it any time why dont you just like shoot him
Because we get removed from the game, and I want to post!
just shoot the guy
to encourage you, i'm not going to even read your posts anymore and just generally ignore you.
I thought we were friends.
But for real, I have been really pro-town. My reads are all real. The only one I might have exaggerated because it was easier than actually trying to figure it out is Koshi. He's too bizar to make sense of.
On October 27 2016 06:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm really starting to wonder if there's any scum actually in the game.
It's not a bastard game (at least, it doesn't say so in the OP). So yes.
A bunch of 3rd parties could be considered an alternative to mafia though?
You're not making a case for yourself being a benevolent 3P... a bunch of separate 3Ps *could* take the place of a scumteam, but only if they are malevolent: cultists, SKs, stuff like that.
I know that GB and I are not like that. We had our own little game, and we will be out of the picture soon.
On October 27 2016 06:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What role do you believe GB is?
Tell me what ranged heroes you have to deal damage to, and I'll see if I can help you.
The ones I have to deal fatal damage to are the first four I mentioned before. Rubick, Omniknight, Windranger, Centaur Warrunner. No clue if any of those are ranged. It can be any 2 of that list.
On October 27 2016 06:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What role do you believe GB is?
Tell me what ranged heroes you have to deal damage to, and I'll see if I can help you.
Wait so you're not going to kill GB now?
Don't care how he dies. As long as he dies before I do, I win. And I have the instant killshot, so if people threaten shenannies, I'll just fire and tap out. If not, you're stuck with both of us for another 24h and I'll shoot at the deadline to not have to take another shitton of damage at the resolution period and risk actually dying.
On October 27 2016 06:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm really starting to wonder if there's any scum actually in the game.
It's not a bastard game (at least, it doesn't say so in the OP). So yes.
A bunch of 3rd parties could be considered an alternative to mafia though?
You're not making a case for yourself being a benevolent 3P... a bunch of separate 3Ps *could* take the place of a scumteam, but only if they are malevolent: cultists, SKs, stuff like that.
I know that GB and I are not like that. We had our own little game, and we will be out of the picture soon.
Just trying to explore the wtf so many 3rd party angle. It doesn't even make any sense for my own role since I can win with both town and scum so I'm not even making any sense to myself @_@
On October 27 2016 06:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Or Lunatic. Forgot all about Lunatic. Lunatic or Kurumi? Which is the better shot?
I think Lunatic already took more damage. Funny story: yesterday I was almost certain Lunatic was my enemy and about to just shoot him in the face rather than actually checkin him, because some things made sense. But I checked him and the rest is history. Anyway, that means he's probably just scum.
Kurumi is playing even less than normal. Good chance he's also scum, but I wouldn't be surprised if he flips town or 5th party planar dragon.
On October 27 2016 06:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What role do you believe GB is?
Tell me what ranged heroes you have to deal damage to, and I'll see if I can help you.
Wait so you're not going to kill GB now?
Don't care how he dies. As long as he dies before I do, I win. And I have the instant killshot, so if people threaten shenannies, I'll just fire and tap out. If not, you're stuck with both of us for another 24h and I'll shoot at the deadline to not have to take another shitton of damage at the resolution period and risk actually dying.
But you're going to use it this phase? Do you have to be the one to kill him? If not we can try and stack on him for you and you can use your big shot on someone of our choosing, no?
On October 27 2016 06:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What role do you believe GB is?
Tell me what ranged heroes you have to deal damage to, and I'll see if I can help you.
Wait so you're not going to kill GB now?
Don't care how he dies. As long as he dies before I do, I win. And I have the instant killshot, so if people threaten shenannies, I'll just fire and tap out. If not, you're stuck with both of us for another 24h and I'll shoot at the deadline to not have to take another shitton of damage at the resolution period and risk actually dying.
But you're going to use it this phase? Do you have to be the one to kill him? If not we can try and stack on him for you and you can use your big shot on someone of our choosing, no?
apparantly its only 40 dmg on anybody else if that was what ptmc was hit with so that's about as much as we would have thrown on GB probs dont make no difference
On October 22 2016 13:39 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote: We were supposed to be in the night phase now right? Can anyone explain what happened to that?
Let's call this guy town. He was also arguing with HF during the night. Don't think a newb scum would do that.
He wasn't arguing with HF? He asked 2 questions that weren't even particularly critical.
And regarding his question about the night: I think it's more likely scum is irritated by people talking through the night if they think it should be silent (he's new to the TLMafia), than town. But scum would probably ask a host directly rather than throw it in the thread, so there is that too.
Anyway, he's cruising for a modkill. I wouldn't waste damage or thought on him.
On October 27 2016 04:09 ritoky wrote: GB what exact results do your investigations return? Alignment? Name? Role? Enemy/not enemy?
Enemy/not enemy
And how did you get 3 total checks from 4 phases and only 2 of them being night? Also, why check hamalamadindong when you have literal 0 mentions of him in your entire filter?
We get a check every phase. I checked WoS, kurumi, H1 and luna. Was going to check artanis or GB this phase, but I figured my enemy was probably Hama (only one that hasn't moved, and hasn't claimed attacks or other night actions that seem to check out).
16 town, 4 scum, 4 "neutral" 3p doesn't sound balanced. If we assume the 3p are at worst a distraction for town, then this means a town:scum ratio of 4:1. This is very town favored, More likely is 15:5 for a 3:1 ratio. Expect a 5man scumteam, and/or some nasty 3p shenannies.
@ptmc: my check is completely useless for helping town or scum. It only informs me about whether the target is my enemy or not.
On October 27 2016 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote: So paranoia has kicked in.
Acro I'd really appreciate if you could do away with GB with enough time left in the day for us to organize ourselves. It's not that I don't trust you, but I don't trust you.
Guys, unless Acro does this, I expect you to be stacking KP onto GB. Doesn't seem too unreasonable.
Ok. D1 movement is still bizar. Given the claims, it just doesn't make sense. GB claims role blocked, so my best bet is Rubik lifted him, and he landed where he landed.
If scum has a multiple no-lynch ability the balance for this game is fucked. Forget it. It's a one-off. Probably like Lina's ultimate non-refundable if roleblocked too.
On October 27 2016 21:56 disformation wrote: We went and triple checked all the movements and discovered an error we made in the resolution of D1 movement. The result of D1 movement should have been:
On October 27 2016 21:56 disformation wrote: We went and triple checked all the movements and discovered an error we made in the resolution of D1 movement. The result of D1 movement should have been:
Oh. He probably didn't basic WoS, but shuriken'd him. Then it checks out.
Just ExO_'s movement is wonky on D1. Don't trust him too much despite that early town feel. His films progressively bad, and someone hit me for 7 on D1 and didn't claim it.
On D2, Skynx and iamp switched places for no claimed reason. No clue what to make of that either.
Also, I won't ever be able to use my sentry ward, so I might as well tell everyone exactly how they work.
I received a sentry ward at the start of N2. I figured a townie gave it to me, but it might be the mods distribute items randomly. It is a one-off watcher ability that can onlybe used at night. It is returned if roleblocked and doesn't mention redirection at all. It can't be given away and counts as an action. If you talk about the item before using it, it disappears. The ward goes to the grave with me if i die.
I believe ritoky really is actually neutral 3p mainly because of the claim. Scum/SK wouldn't use a sentry ward if they got it, and koshi targeting himself panned out. Ritoky and koshi being in the same team could be, but given the heat on koshi, is stupidly risky play. So ritokynot scum.
Get ritoky and exo to vote loonie. That's 9-4. Coerce Kurumi to switch. Vivax won't help town, and the fact that he's not happily voting Luna makes me more confident Luna is also scum. I doubt hamazumumuzu is still playing. Mb 1 person switching is still safe, to make it 8-5. That's fairly safe to vote rigging shenanigans: it would require 2 ppl to switch.
Btdt claimed he'd hit Luna before he died (8 dmg if not roleblocked). Luna claimed 5 dmg on D2. If there was anything else, I didn't add it to my spreadsheet.
On October 28 2016 01:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hi, sorta here but watching blizzcon. Should I switch to luna y/n?
yes, unless too many switch. Are you here EoD?
On October 28 2016 01:53 Skynx wrote: Stay on Vivax ffs. Lunatic doesn't care so he's not gona defend, Koshi should be ignored he's just trying to stir shit up.
have a free scum read
I mean I really have hard time comprehending you guys when we have confirmed scum alive and people wanna vote other wagons. On top of that I get sr when i suggest thats a bad idea.
I'll be around for EoD and switch my vote back to Vivax if shenanigans start happening. On the other hand this is a chance to confirm Koshi as town, or as a scummy liar. I think with the way the votes are right now its not a bad idea to figure out Koshi one way or another.
I don't know why, but this gives me the heebyjeebies.
On October 28 2016 01:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hi, sorta here but watching blizzcon. Should I switch to luna y/n?
yes, unless too many switch. Are you here EoD?
On October 28 2016 01:53 Skynx wrote: Stay on Vivax ffs. Lunatic doesn't care so he's not gona defend, Koshi should be ignored he's just trying to stir shit up.
I mean I really have hard time comprehending you guys when we have confirmed scum alive and people wanna vote other wagons. On top of that I get sr when i suggest thats a bad idea.
I'll be around for EoD and switch my vote back to Vivax if shenanigans start happening. On the other hand this is a chance to confirm Koshi as town, or as a scummy liar. I think with the way the votes are right now its not a bad idea to figure out Koshi one way or another.
I don't know why, but this gives me the heebyjeebies.
Why would it. Do you not want to see if Koshi is a giant liar or not, because I think he might be. This is a super easy way to prove it one way or the other.
It wasn't there content of the message. It was something about how you said it. Overly clinical and constructed or something. Basically what my posts do to iamp and WoS...
WoS and ritoky carried. Everybody else was afk jungle or straight up feeding.
Oh, and we already talked about it a bit in obs qt, but I think Artanis' wincons were too luck dependent. Other than that, surprisingly well balanced despite that scum had 2 abilities to mess with the lynch...
On November 06 2016 23:33 NocturneMage wrote: well done everyone. ritoky with the clutch
although fuck whoever's decision it was to remove me night 1, only 24h in....
So you enjoyed playing dota over LoL.
You heard it here first people.
NocturneMage enjoying dota...
.....then again, he was Spectre, not a caster. He can just right click away. I'm sure he'd have found a way to whinge about mana/items/disables if he was a caster