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Will /out /cohost again if there are enough players, but for now it is not the case
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On November 09 2016 12:18 Checkm8 wrote:Can newbies play here? Would want to join, played town of salem and watched mafia games, found them pretty cool Yep! Welcome (=
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looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong BTDT maybe we can start at a set date and you balance the game for whatever number of players we have at that point ?
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On November 21 2016 10:04 NocturneMage wrote: schedule is looking interesting for work. I will probably have a better idea closer to week's end. oh yeah
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On November 30 2016 06:04 emperorchampion wrote:Better be good rels, cause the last game I played with you is still fresh in my mind... Easiest game of my life. p:
On November 30 2016 06:04 LightningStrike wrote:Hi read the game please then give your thoughts when you caught up please? I'm at page 16 where you quoted some of your past games, why didn't you include your best scumgame to date (millionaire) ?
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On November 29 2016 10:27 NeverUnlucky wrote: Tictock feels less interested in the game than usual. :/ At least that's what his filter makes me think.
(Also, he is found twice in the player list on page 1 while Onegu doesn't figure there) I hate that smiley
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On November 29 2016 10:51 LightningStrike wrote: Okay you seem like town by meta. I so see similar thought patterns in your play here and there. I 100% disagree. What is similar between mahrgell play last game and this game ?
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On November 29 2016 17:56 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 15:57 Holyflare wrote: Too diplomatic, doesn't feel accusatory enough. Concerned with self meta, not really concerned with own reads. "Cases" someone (emperor?) but has no real conclusion or care about it. Wishy washy stance (not even a stance, just saying we need calix) on NU, basically not even a real post on NU.
You know, if we wouldnt have played together last game... But we did... so wtf are you on? So I really don't feel like explaining you the "too diplomatic" part again. At this point I'm just dropping my thoughts on whoever posted but I'm far off any conclusions. If you want to call it a case on Emp, well, you have a very low standard for those, I guess. But yes, at this point he was the most suspect player to me. Pointed that out (as I did my opinion on pretty much everyone else who posted that far), no reaction at all, went to sleep. Can care about it when there is more to it. Now there are more pots from him, so I can continue this thought... But hey, whoever doesn't vote on first post must be scum because indecisive, yay! -.- And not even sure where you are going on with my stance on NU. But I guess I just explain my thought on NU: right now it is difficult for me to read NU, simply as he doesn't post in his former NU ways. And reading his posts without thinking BUT ITS NU is difficult for me. So I'm willing to give him time for now so I get a feel for his new ways. But hey, I posted about like half the players, you posted about exactly one person (me), calling me out for not having enough decisive reads. Call me amazed. This is so different from last game. Why aren't you trying to see his motives like you did with people that scumread you last game ? That worked super well and you got killed N1. Why the fuck are you not doing that again ? And why are you "amazed" from HF read ? Have you any expectation from HF ?
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On November 29 2016 18:09 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 18:07 Holyflare wrote:When on earth did I play with you? Wishy washy stance (not even a stance, just saying we need calix) on NU, basically not even a real post on NU. And not even sure where you are going on with my stance on NU. But I guess I just explain my thought on NU: right now it is difficult for me to read NU, simply as he doesn't post in his former NU ways. And reading his posts without thinking BUT ITS NU is difficult for me. So I'm willing to give him time for now so I get a feel for his new ways. You pretty much surmise my gripe with your NU post. You don't have a read but yet you're making posts about not having the read. It looks weird to me and seems like you're making reads for the sake of it and it seems little of your reads are based on actual content and more meta. You have the whole day to change my mind Oups... I mixed you up with Skynx. Not sure if this is offending to you Well... then lets drop that. OK NVM again
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On November 30 2016 06:37 Koshi wrote:Where does this come from? His post was written like he had expectations from HF being something like stupidly tunneled
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On November 30 2016 00:04 Holyflare wrote: Your opinion on me shouldn't be anything other than null btw. I haven't done much but you should certainly agree that your NU reads are wishy washy useless crap and it is excellent to be called out for that when you yourself didn't even "realise". This is such a bad post. First, his read was "minor scumlean for that, but I hope he steps up". Second, he obviously won't think his NU read is scummy if he's town SINCE HE S TOWN. Third, you've played enough to know that it's normal to tend to scumread people that scumread you.
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Koshi explain your townread on checkm8 ?
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On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote: NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now. Which are those ?
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OK I'm caught up.
I think LS Koshi and DF are town. I think I wanna lynch one of HF TT Onegu and SL.
Rest are null.
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HF I hated that one post I quoted earlier. Rest of filter is meaningless. Actually this post is him further going deep down to a pointless argument, which doesn't show the "HF gamesense" Koshi was tlaking about at some point.
On November 30 2016 00:51 Holyflare wrote: I find it hard to believe that the discrepancy I've outlined has gone over your head. Your retort of mockery just furthers my conviction.
If I have to enlighten the dim witted then I shall. The discrepancy is quite clearly that the only questions you ask are targeted at your town reads, who you should be the least wary of, and none to your scum reads, who should naturally be the inverse.
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On November 30 2016 07:19 darthfoley wrote: hi guys, just got done reading the thread. will post some shit in the following few minutes. sorry for the inactivity today; tuesdays are my longest day class wise I actually hate that this is your second excuse in a row. I don't remember you giving that much of a shit about your activity before, and you've always been low activity
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On November 30 2016 07:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 07:01 Rels wrote: Koshi explain your townread on checkm8 ? His posts more likely come from town than mafia wifoming like a madman. I am a sucker for people that say this: Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 23:28 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote: I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros) And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes) And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3 Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. Damn, I'm horrible at this. But believe me I'm town...because I'm not chocolate nor mocha... And the post in which he said I was mafia for being too nice. Don't know. It made sense when HF said it came more likely from town. Like.. Maybe with darthfoley the least likely townies? But I am going to take them into D2 most likely. But it is all about keeping up activity. If the activity drops we still have a problem. But I take into account we are 24h far and that they continue doing the same. OK that reaction is super townie actually. Scum have this need of defending their opinion to prove they're right.
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TT: I hated this post early game, a few hours after his first batch of posts:
On November 29 2016 11:24 Tictock wrote: This is pretty standard Early game for me, idk what you all are talking about.
I dare you to meta me. This is NOT what I expect from TT for being suspected for his first few posts, when some games he shows up late and just focus on the content and always get townread for it (and sometimes even find scum)
And actually after that there are only two more posts that are pretty NAI
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On November 29 2016 23:04 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 22:50 Holyflare wrote: Can you give me a quick breakdown of which people fit into which category in that post margarine?
Just a simple:
Would like to know more: and People solely expanding filter with no content:
I'm very intrigued. I may be padding my filter just so people can be like holy shit onegu has a 5+ page day 1 filter that means he is scum, so I can reinforce my you cant meta read me. But I do think I got some content in there also. Maybe not... Actually you're more tryhard as scum ?
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TIME T1: Onegu says something
On November 29 2016 09:44 Onegu wrote: Also what happend to SL he said hi to me then just bounced... TIME T2 a few hours later: SL posts something
On November 29 2016 13:24 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 09:18 Tictock wrote: Oh right, the whole Koshi vs Onegu thing.
I will prob ignore any and all of that just like Calix vs NU. tru me too .townie TIME T3 another few hours alter: SL reacts to what Onegu says on T1
On November 29 2016 17:30 sicklucker wrote: and onegu why you getting mad for sayin hi to you. there was 2 posts in the thread not worth my time to stick around ;p So that shows he read the game before posting at T3. So that means that (1) he read the whole thread but didn't tryhard to gain townieness from it and (2) posted randomly in the thread wihtout following it at all at T2, which you tend to not do as scum. I guess ? It sounded better in my head.
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On November 30 2016 07:35 Koshi wrote:He made 1 good point. But I don't think it is enough for him to be taken off the table. Did he say anything interesting that wasn't about Shape / copclaim? What's the 1 good point he made ?
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OK I don't believe in this SL timing thing anymore, I thought I had something but it is pretty crap p:
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On November 30 2016 07:40 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 07:37 Rels wrote:TIME T1: Onegu says something On November 29 2016 09:44 Onegu wrote: Also what happend to SL he said hi to me then just bounced... TIME T2 a few hours later: SL posts something On November 29 2016 13:24 sicklucker wrote:On November 29 2016 09:18 Tictock wrote: Oh right, the whole Koshi vs Onegu thing.
I will prob ignore any and all of that just like Calix vs NU. tru me too .townie TIME T3 another few hours alter: SL reacts to what Onegu says on T1 On November 29 2016 17:30 sicklucker wrote: and onegu why you getting mad for sayin hi to you. there was 2 posts in the thread not worth my time to stick around ;p So that shows he read the game before posting at T3. So that means that (1) he read the whole thread but didn't tryhard to gain townieness from it and (2) posted randomly in the thread wihtout following it at all at T2, which you tend to not do as scum. I guess ? It sounded better in my head. I can see what you want to say. I as mafia was always very aware of that indeed. But it is not good enough atm for sl. Do you like NU? No apart from his big post which was townie.
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On November 30 2016 07:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 07:38 Rels wrote:On November 30 2016 07:35 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 07:33 Rels wrote: I think SL is town He made 1 good point. But I don't think it is enough for him to be taken off the table. Did he say anything interesting that wasn't about Shape / copclaim? What's the 1 good point he made ? That shape was not mafia for how he claimed cop. I liked how sl brought that to the thread. It had impact. It was new. And it removed all my doubt on Shape. Also not enough to townread him. But it's ok for now. sl is being absolute shit till he starts actual playing last games. It's great for mafia teams. Not so for townies as he stays a ?. Rarely gets close to lynched though. This was a super shit point and Shape absolutely can fakeclaim cop as any alignment.
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Let's kill HF. ##Vote Holyflare
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On November 30 2016 07:47 darthfoley wrote:Don't agree with Koshi's TR on Checkm8. He's pulled the "im a newb" thing at least twice, and he has only mentioned like one "gut" read. He's scummier than town for now, although I don't think he's at the top of my list atm. Being a first time player is a bit intimidating from either alignment Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 11:24 Tictock wrote: This is pretty standard Early game for me, idk what you all are talking about.
I dare you to meta me. I mean I literally just played a game with you where you were town and you didn't play D1 like this at all. You were aggressive and went after people, asked many more questions, and seemed perfectly invested in the game-- all while there was pressure on you. So unless you've lost the mafia passion after doing really well last game individually/winning as a town within the last two weeks, your excuse is a little hard to buy. You did ask about me and EC, but it seemed half assed. TT is in my scum lean pile Also not a fan of HF so far. He's kind of a being a dick which is NAI(?) but annoying. Especially after playing a game with NU and Calix. I made similar points against mahrgell last game but I was wrong, and he's playing very similar to that game-- though mahrgell is being a little over combative. HF has spent 80% of his filter grilling one dude and I don't see the point from a town perspective, especially as a uber veteran of TL mafia. If someone can make a post explaining why he/she thinks LS is town for reasons other than BS meta claims I'd love to hear it. I got burned last time people simply accepted a meta town read of LS so I want to hear something real. I do think the dynamic between LS/NU/EC is a bit interesting (LS claiming that EC vs. NU is MvT). Not sure where I stand on that yet besides that i'm town reading NU and i'm up in the air between the other two. Mahrgell/Koshi/Shape and probably Rels are on my town pile for now. Why is Shape in your townpile ?
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On November 30 2016 07:57 Koshi wrote: There is like no attempt to look good in any of his posts. Mafia wouldn't do that. And I liked maybe some of his posts now that I reread them. I can see a townie asking those questions. Disagree. His "My early game is town I dare you to meta me" is exactly that.
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On November 30 2016 07:57 Koshi wrote: This NU guy is so disconnected from the thread. Quite hilarious. Liking him even less each time he posts
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On November 30 2016 08:00 sicklucker wrote: hey whats happening. damn i have to go read like 20 pages You're being lynched in 1 minute hurry
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On November 30 2016 08:04 sicklucker wrote: which I have always been town U would like to add stop tying to lynch me on day ones assholes I lynched you on D3 as scum recently
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On November 30 2016 08:06 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 08:06 Rels wrote:On November 30 2016 08:04 sicklucker wrote: which I have always been town U would like to add stop tying to lynch me on day ones assholes I lynched you on D3 as scum recently that seems made up I dont remember ;p. but im not talking about that The 72 hours game
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On November 30 2016 08:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 06:53 Rels wrote:On November 30 2016 00:04 Holyflare wrote: Your opinion on me shouldn't be anything other than null btw. I haven't done much but you should certainly agree that your NU reads are wishy washy useless crap and it is excellent to be called out for that when you yourself didn't even "realise". This is such a bad post. First, his read was "minor scumlean for that, but I hope he steps up". Second, he obviously won't think his NU read is scummy if he's town SINCE HE S TOWN. Third, you've played enough to know that it's normal to tend to scumread people that scumread you. First point isn't even a point, I clearly said I should be null and not a scum lean. Second point, I never said it was scummy in this post. Your reading comprehension led to that but what it is saying is that Margarine is calling me a scum lean for not pointing out anything despite pointing out things that Margarine thinks before he/she thinks them. Third, irrelevant and does not apply in the context of getting someone to do something productive that breaks them out of their mould by antagonising them slightly. Either way, don't expect much from me. Voting me isn't going to make me magically more productive. It's weird that you checked out the votes before catching up ? ANd this doesn't convince me. 1) slight scumlean but hope for the better isn't very different from null. 2) then replace "scummy" by "suspicous" or whatever you meant. 3) I'm not arguing that, I'm saying I don't like you stating two times that marhgell should understand your argument against him and not scumlean you, when it's the normal reaction to have.
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K going to sleep, see you tomorrow mates (=
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Yo. Sry for not posting today, I wanted to play at some point but work just kept on coming, and I'm not finished so it will be the same tomorrow ... I'm leaving now, see you in a few hours when I get home!
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On November 30 2016 19:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 19:45 Koshi wrote: HF do you think Rels is possible mafia? All I know about rels is that he posted about Marcel and said that he/she was completely different to last game, complained about margarine's approach to the game being wildly different and bad and then voted me for pressuring his read. Margaret doesn't even appear in his scum list at the end of it. I think his read through was bad and achieved nothing, said nothing of note and then he left. He could very well be mafia. Yeah I was suspecting him while catching up, then I read some good posts of him and when I was done catching up I didn't think he was scum anymore.
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And it actually points at me being town more than scum. As scum I don't change my reads for no reason and I push weaker players
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I hate your last sentence in this post. Everything is false. I read the game and contributed in ~1 hour way more than you at that point. I pushed the game forward the game while I was there
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On November 30 2016 20:47 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 20:25 Koshi wrote:Yes. It really depends on how Rels continues. If he stays this inactive he is mafia. I already got completely outplayed by scum!Rels once and I know this is well within his range. Town!Rels will shine through over time. Far from there yet. My mistake. With Onegu vouching this hard on HF, and sicklucker basically doing the same I have to put HF quite low on the lynchlist. It's not that his posts are so incredibly bad. Rels, df and I put pressure in him. 2 people defended him hard, he said things, it's good enough for now. Progression is being made. 13. NeverUnlucky 12. Tictock 4. Onegu 11. sicklucker 1. Rels 3. Shapelog 2. Holyflare 6. darthfoley 10. emperorchampion 8. Checkm8 9. mahrgell 5. LightningStrike Sicklucker, Rels are both high because I expect things from them. Put EC a bit higher out of respect of other people their reads. But if TT/NU are mafia he is kinda confirmed town and I am living in that world. why? I dont expect things from rels and I certainly dont expect much from myself. honestly rels is as terrible of a day 1 player as me. p: don't let people know
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On December 01 2016 05:54 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 05:48 Rels wrote:On November 30 2016 19:53 Holyflare wrote:On November 30 2016 19:45 Koshi wrote: HF do you think Rels is possible mafia? All I know about rels is that he posted about Marcel and said that he/she was completely different to last game, complained about margarine's approach to the game being wildly different and bad and then voted me for pressuring his read. Margaret doesn't even appear in his scum list at the end of it. I think his read through was bad and achieved nothing, said nothing of note and then he left. He could very well be mafia. Yeah I was suspecting him while catching up, then I read some good posts of him and when I was done catching up I didn't think he was scum anymore. Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 05:48 Rels wrote: And it actually points at me being town more than scum. As scum I don't change my reads for no reason and I push weaker players WTF I just wanted to sit back and watch chess and preventing a mafia burnout. but what is that? Why on earth this urge to point out his own previous clearly makes him town. o.O Gosh, this feels almost too bad to be a scumslip for me. But seriously. WTF? Cause I thought about it.
On December 01 2016 05:55 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 05:48 Rels wrote: And it actually points at me being town more than scum. As scum I don't change my reads for no reason and I push weaker players Last game you kept pressure on me for much of the game and i'm a weaker player and you were town True, but I'm talking about the other way around
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On December 01 2016 05:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 05:49 Rels wrote: I hate your last sentence in this post. Everything is false. I read the game and contributed in ~1 hour way more than you at that point. I pushed the game forward the game while I was there You pushed nothing forward. Your post about me was bull shit and you were not transparent about this Marzipan thing at all. You didn't really do much apart from backtrack on stuff. Please point out which posts of margarita you liked that made you change your mind. He had a big post with thoughts on everyone that was super logical
On December 01 2016 05:58 emperorchampion wrote: Wait, Rels are you actually caught up in this game right now? Nope!
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On December 01 2016 06:01 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 05:57 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 05:54 mahrgell wrote:On December 01 2016 05:48 Rels wrote:On November 30 2016 19:53 Holyflare wrote:On November 30 2016 19:45 Koshi wrote: HF do you think Rels is possible mafia? All I know about rels is that he posted about Marcel and said that he/she was completely different to last game, complained about margarine's approach to the game being wildly different and bad and then voted me for pressuring his read. Margaret doesn't even appear in his scum list at the end of it. I think his read through was bad and achieved nothing, said nothing of note and then he left. He could very well be mafia. Yeah I was suspecting him while catching up, then I read some good posts of him and when I was done catching up I didn't think he was scum anymore. On December 01 2016 05:48 Rels wrote: And it actually points at me being town more than scum. As scum I don't change my reads for no reason and I push weaker players WTF I just wanted to sit back and watch chess and preventing a mafia burnout. but what is that? Why on earth this urge to point out his own previous clearly makes him town. o.O Gosh, this feels almost too bad to be a scumslip for me. But seriously. WTF? Cause I thought about it. You thought about what? I can't follow. You made your post about me, and then thought about it, and suddenly had this feeling "uhhhh... my thoughts are clearly towny, I should tell the world so they see this too" HF said that me changing my mind about you was scummy I explained what happened in my head Then I pointed out I don't do that as scum
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On December 01 2016 04:11 Tictock wrote: I'm willing to consolidate onto NU here since that seems to be the way things are going.
I think gell is a bad lynch, not only because I think he is town but he's going to be so easy to read the further the game goes on.
Rells is in a similar position I think, the stuff HF brought up is okish but I expect scum!Rels to watch for that sorta thing in his reads and not leave an obv contradiction open like that.
Plus I think HF could totally be mafia still, he's just faded into the background like I recall him doing D1 last time I played with him as scum You're playing so safe. Every read of yours is super safe. I hated your "Koshi is town cause he wouldnt turn his read on me" read and every read since then has been like that
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On December 01 2016 06:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 06:02 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 06:01 mahrgell wrote:On December 01 2016 05:57 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 05:54 mahrgell wrote:On December 01 2016 05:48 Rels wrote:On November 30 2016 19:53 Holyflare wrote:On November 30 2016 19:45 Koshi wrote: HF do you think Rels is possible mafia? All I know about rels is that he posted about Marcel and said that he/she was completely different to last game, complained about margarine's approach to the game being wildly different and bad and then voted me for pressuring his read. Margaret doesn't even appear in his scum list at the end of it. I think his read through was bad and achieved nothing, said nothing of note and then he left. He could very well be mafia. Yeah I was suspecting him while catching up, then I read some good posts of him and when I was done catching up I didn't think he was scum anymore. On December 01 2016 05:48 Rels wrote: And it actually points at me being town more than scum. As scum I don't change my reads for no reason and I push weaker players WTF I just wanted to sit back and watch chess and preventing a mafia burnout. but what is that? Why on earth this urge to point out his own previous clearly makes him town. o.O Gosh, this feels almost too bad to be a scumslip for me. But seriously. WTF? Cause I thought about it. You thought about what? I can't follow. You made your post about me, and then thought about it, and suddenly had this feeling "uhhhh... my thoughts are clearly towny, I should tell the world so they see this too" HF said that me changing my mind about you was scummy I explained what happened in my head Then I pointed out I don't do that as scum I never said these things in the slightest. Not once did you say you changed your mind. In fact that's bull shit. Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 06:02 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 05:58 Holyflare wrote:On December 01 2016 05:49 Rels wrote: I hate your last sentence in this post. Everything is false. I read the game and contributed in ~1 hour way more than you at that point. I pushed the game forward the game while I was there You pushed nothing forward. Your post about me was bull shit and you were not transparent about this Marzipan thing at all. You didn't really do much apart from backtrack on stuff. Please point out which posts of margarita you liked that made you change your mind. He had a big post with thoughts on everyone that was super logical On December 01 2016 05:58 emperorchampion wrote: Wait, Rels are you actually caught up in this game right now? Nope! Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 07:17 Rels wrote: OK I'm caught up.
I think LS Koshi and DF are town. I think I wanna lynch one of HF TT Onegu and SL.
Rest are null. So unbelievably full of shit. This is so bad rels. You don't town read margarita. You say nothing about him. Your read doesn't look like it has changed at all on him. Suddenly you return near deadline to misconstrue everything into me saying things I never said. Suddenly his massive logical post where you clearly town read him appears. ##vote rels LOL THEN WHAT WAS YOUR FUCKING ARGUMENT
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Fuck that's twice noiw that I fucking summarize something HF said and HF goes like "this IS NOT EXCAZTLY WHAT IVE SAID" when my only objective is to remind in a few words what I'm tali ng about
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HF if you're town I'm fucking disapointed
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I'm caught up and NU is fucking scummy too though. His posts are so not impactful. Usually he rteplies and replies and eeplies until he gets his opin,ion in everyone s head
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On December 01 2016 06:15 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 06:02 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 06:01 mahrgell wrote:On December 01 2016 05:57 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 05:54 mahrgell wrote:On December 01 2016 05:48 Rels wrote:On November 30 2016 19:53 Holyflare wrote:On November 30 2016 19:45 Koshi wrote: HF do you think Rels is possible mafia? All I know about rels is that he posted about Marcel and said that he/she was completely different to last game, complained about margarine's approach to the game being wildly different and bad and then voted me for pressuring his read. Margaret doesn't even appear in his scum list at the end of it. I think his read through was bad and achieved nothing, said nothing of note and then he left. He could very well be mafia. Yeah I was suspecting him while catching up, then I read some good posts of him and when I was done catching up I didn't think he was scum anymore. On December 01 2016 05:48 Rels wrote: And it actually points at me being town more than scum. As scum I don't change my reads for no reason and I push weaker players WTF I just wanted to sit back and watch chess and preventing a mafia burnout. but what is that? Why on earth this urge to point out his own previous clearly makes him town. o.O Gosh, this feels almost too bad to be a scumslip for me. But seriously. WTF? Cause I thought about it. You thought about what? I can't follow. You made your post about me, and then thought about it, and suddenly had this feeling "uhhhh... my thoughts are clearly towny, I should tell the world so they see this too" HF said that me changing my mind about you was scummy I explained what happened in my head Then I pointed out I don't do that as scum Okay... And I thought Koshis permanent "I can't be scum" was bad... Also this is so far from the last game we played together... Koshi does this every game from what I see, but I really don't recall this bullshit from you... It is 1 hour before lynch, you are not getting a single vote and suddenly you have to point out your obvious townieness and start going full defense against everyone? ##unvote NeverUnlucky ##vote Rels Me rpelying to people is not me going full defense againts everyone
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HF fighting arguments to the end like that is him being scum. It is convincing but doesn't make sense. There is no game sense here. Me not saing I like one post of marghell while catching up means nothing. Me being undecisive about margh because he did some bad and some good means nothing.
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On December 01 2016 06:24 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 06:23 Rels wrote: HF fighting arguments to the end like that is him being scum. It is convincing but doesn't make sense. There is no game sense here. Me not saing I like one post of marghell while catching up means nothing. Me being undecisive about margh because he did some bad and some good means nothing. @Rels: what is your game plan right now? ?
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On December 01 2016 06:26 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 06:25 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 06:24 emperorchampion wrote:On December 01 2016 06:23 Rels wrote: HF fighting arguments to the end like that is him being scum. It is convincing but doesn't make sense. There is no game sense here. Me not saing I like one post of marghell while catching up means nothing. Me being undecisive about margh because he did some bad and some good means nothing. @Rels: what is your game plan right now? ? Well you want to lynch HF I suppose, who are you trying to convince? Nope I think I'm OK with a NU lynch. Starting to reread both of their filters to see if I wanna fight for HF over NU or not.
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On November 29 2016 10:27 NeverUnlucky wrote: Tictock feels less interested in the game than usual. :/ At least that's what his filter makes me think.
(Also, he is found twice in the player list on page 1 while Onegu doesn't figure there) I thnk I mentionned before that I hated this smiley. This doesn't make any sense with NU personality 'cause he's always ready to jump on the slightest thing to destroy people, and here he's somehow disappointed at TT poor play. That is NOT natural at all => NU should be aiming for TT for that "un interestingness", like he did countless times to every player in every game he played. Actually I think TT is spewed town if NU is scum.
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On December 01 2016 06:28 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 06:26 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 06:26 emperorchampion wrote:On December 01 2016 06:25 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 06:24 emperorchampion wrote:On December 01 2016 06:23 Rels wrote: HF fighting arguments to the end like that is him being scum. It is convincing but doesn't make sense. There is no game sense here. Me not saing I like one post of marghell while catching up means nothing. Me being undecisive about margh because he did some bad and some good means nothing. @Rels: what is your game plan right now? ? Well you want to lynch HF I suppose, who are you trying to convince? Nope I think I'm OK with a NU lynch. Starting to reread both of their filters to see if I wanna fight for HF over NU or not. Hmm ok. What do you think of Onegu? Nothing.
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K NU is the best lynch. Don't see him being town.
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On December 01 2016 06:39 mahrgell wrote:Well... I can understand you not wanting to argue with HF... I had my own experiences with that. -.- At the same time I would still like how your read progression on me went from http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26205962 onwards. - You called me out for wrong meta. - called me out again, and added the point about my expectations on HF - noticed that my expectations on HF were of a wrong premise, so dropped that - summarized that I was null (at least I did not show up as town or scumlean there) Why you dropped the point about my meta being wrong? Because your posts after I called you out were more logical so I wanted to see more on you. I'm pretty sure you're town now.
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On December 01 2016 06:44 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 06:35 Koshi wrote:On December 01 2016 06:33 mahrgell wrote:On December 01 2016 06:30 Koshi wrote: What Rels is doing makes no sense in mafia POV.
Either NU is mafia and he gets himself lynched. Either NU is town and he gets himself lynched.
Like it's not like he tries to divert to lynch onto somebody else in a sneaky way or something. Or put shit on somebody based on preflip association with NU. This is the point I'm at. My problem is, that his posts also don't make any sense from town pov. Like it feels completely random. Hmm. I am not currently with my head 100% in the game but is he not just catching up? He said something, people got offended, and that's it? Was he pushing an agenda? I don't think so. Uhm, no I don't think he was pushing an agenda. Then again, I'm not feeling agendas with anyone yet. Like my udgement on NU is also based on his lack of town play. And I simply can't stand those "Look, I can't be scum" posts. And this one was completely uncalled for. Like I can never, and I really mean NEVER envision myself posting some read... And then firing another post behind telling everyone how this last post just btw obv makes me town. What makes me so confused though is, that as scum I would probably do posts, and afterwards think about that post made me look... But even as scum I wouldn't post it. Like... no. What you need to understand to stop being fucking annoying is that it was an ANSWER to what HF was saying. He was saying something I did was scummy. I said no, in contrary it pointed at me being town.
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I just realize I just now calmed down from all the shit that was thrown at me. Koshi is right. When I have no time to play I should stop trying to be there for the last hours. Every time people thinks it's suspicious and I have no power to influence anything
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NOW FOR THE FLIP SCUM PRETTY PLEASE
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yo I'm at work! Can't catch up before lunch break though (=
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lol a big post about me (= It's a bad post. Most of it is a shitty narrative that explains all my actions in the case I'm scum. Since I'm not it's worthless. To answer your question: I didn't push for HF over NU because I thought NU was a more likey scum than HF.
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To bounce on your SL thought: sicklucker usually doesn't bus. I can't remember why or when he voted NU but what you're saying makes sense, him being the second on the NU wagon and not doing shit might be a towntell. Will have to reread how it happened exactly.
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On December 01 2016 07:39 Koshi wrote: TT isn't. He could be anything. NU only touched him a little bit and it was very prudent. I can see them being buddies. I really disagree. His disappointment at TT reeked of TMI. If TT is scum NU would expect him to be different from last game.
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On December 01 2016 08:27 darthfoley wrote: 1. have the cop check me 2. i come back as town 3. profit?!?!
OK considering there is a GF possibility this seems super genuine. Scum would be way more careful about saying stuff like that ?
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On December 01 2016 08:47 darthfoley wrote:Just checked Shapelog's filter and there very little analysis of NU. The most he gave was a neutral/slight scum read Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 02:32 Shapelog wrote:On November 30 2016 02:05 mahrgell wrote: @shlog Just noticed your vote is still on Onegu. But this was some jokevote iirc.
Seeing you asking a lot of questions (which I like), but if deadline was close now, who would you vote? You called Koshi@TT not a bad case, so would you support that? Also saw some mistrust towards CM8 from you. Or would it be someone else? It was a joke vote. Tbh, no one is in the realm lynch with fire. I haven't really gone through everything how I want to yet. For example, I've read NU's posts in the last few pages, but haven't honestly updated my read yet (due to being at school) that I had before. Given what TT posted, I wouldn't mind lynching him. Like I said, Koshi shows some mafia mindset that he founded in TT's first few posts. Moreover, I think TT not wanting to be a part in the Onegu Vs Koshi fight is sus. as well. Also giving the fact that he was trying to scum read Koshi on matters about it (Koshi tryharding IIRC) is what I picture scum to be doing. So off the top of my head, he would be the first lynch. About CM8. CM8 really doesn't have a lot of stuff with content. I feel like he is playing the newbie card, and wanted him to stop doing so. Tone thing I saw sure. But I really don't have a lot to go off on him about. Hopeing my question gets info out of him. Maybe a policy lynch. SL is PL mostly bc I've seen him actually do stuff around this time. Rels is afk so also a PL. Rest are either town or i'm thinking of atm. To remind you of that read... Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 02:32 Shapelog wrote:On November 30 2016 02:05 mahrgell wrote: @shlog Just noticed your vote is still on Onegu. But this was some jokevote iirc.
Seeing you asking a lot of questions (which I like), but if deadline was close now, who would you vote? You called Koshi@TT not a bad case, so would you support that? Also saw some mistrust towards CM8 from you. Or would it be someone else? It was a joke vote. Tbh, no one is in the realm lynch with fire. I haven't really gone through everything how I want to yet. For example, I've read NU's posts in the last few pages, but haven't honestly updated my read yet (due to being at school) that I had before. Given what TT posted, I wouldn't mind lynching him. Like I said, Koshi shows some mafia mindset that he founded in TT's first few posts. Moreover, I think TT not wanting to be a part in the Onegu Vs Koshi fight is sus. as well. Also giving the fact that he was trying to scum read Koshi on matters about it (Koshi tryharding IIRC) is what I picture scum to be doing. So off the top of my head, he would be the first lynch. About CM8. CM8 really doesn't have a lot of stuff with content. I feel like he is playing the newbie card, and wanted him to stop doing so. Tone thing I saw sure. But I really don't have a lot to go off on him about. Hopeing my question gets info out of him. Maybe a policy lynch. SL is PL mostly bc I've seen him actually do stuff around this time. Rels is afk so also a PL. Rest are either town or i'm thinking of atm. If that "read" doesn't give you 13 ways to wiggle out of committing to a read, I don't know what does. How many times do you have to say "this is scummy but it's also in his townie meta!" in one post before you get a finger wag?
On December 01 2016 08:54 Koshi wrote:Ok I read Shape his post. Hmm. Yeah he and Onegu can swap places on my list. Especially Shape his answer on EC his post was off. It didn't increase the pressure on NU at all, almost tries to take it away by talking about people that aren't NU. Which is odd seeing he starts the post with congratulating EC on making a post on NU. + Show Spoiler +On November 29 2016 13:37 Shapelog wrote:Oh my Canadian friend, you posted about the right thing. Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 12:57 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote: Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. Flagged this post, I dun like it. 1) It looks like you're trying to make something out of nothing re: throwing something at LS. 2) It reads like you're smooshing two thoughts together, which makes me think that you had some conclusion in mind and are making the evidence fit that. Requires further investigation. I get 1, and I think we both came to that conclusion. Can you explain 2) a bit more? Personally, I can understand the point he made, and it didn't feel like he was painting in. Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 13:03 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 09:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:46 LightningStrike wrote:On February 28 2016 03:11 LightningStrike wrote: Hey guys I here now I was busy and now I here what up? Bam this was me as scum doing that sort of thing Onegu did the quote you townread him for. Ehhhh, not quite the same vibe. Your quoted post's tone is what makes it fucking mafia. You're acting all nicey-nice with the "Hey guys" and "what up" and giving an excuse for why you weren't there with the busy part. Onegu's post is not that. I don't think mafia would have made this post this early cus they would profit from inactivity and do not care about it. Also, no, I have not read any of your games. Flagged this post as well. 1) Activity will happen whether or not mafia wants it to, therefore it's null imo. 2) LS doing this "Hey town read me for this thing you town read someone else for" reminds me of things that I've said when I'm scum. Suspicious! 1) He's talking about Onegu wanting more activity to happen and trying to cause more to happen. It was the "where is everyone" post. Personally opionons aside, do you think he could come to this conclusion based off his reasoning? 2) What do you make about my earlier post about LS tone?
On December 01 2016 08:55 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 13:31 Shapelog wrote:There really isn't a lot from his filter that made me feel either way (unsurprisingly, is early game after all). On November 29 2016 09:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. How so? I recognize myself in his all-over-the-place posts, and he's the townierest dude itt. Also, this is a town post, mang On November 29 2016 08:23 Onegu wrote: Where is everyone? On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote: Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. Typically, I would say this post's tone is most likely coming from a scum than a townie. Mostly due to how close minded it is. And how it gives a very strong opinion in such a early part of the game (ex. That looks forced. at the end). Problem is, its NU. Tonally, he is capable of this as town. I still think he stressed out his point a bit given the time at which the post came out. But I am considering that it might just be his normal tone coming out here.Otherwise, his point is a valid one. On November 29 2016 09:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:46 LightningStrike wrote:On February 28 2016 03:11 LightningStrike wrote: Hey guys I here now I was busy and now I here what up? Bam this was me as scum doing that sort of thing Onegu did the quote you townread him for. Ehhhh, not quite the same vibe. Your quoted post's tone is what makes it fucking mafia. You're acting all nicey-nice with the "Hey guys" and "what up" and giving an excuse for why you weren't there with the busy part. Onegu's post is not that. I don't think mafia would have made this post this early cus they would profit from inactivity and do not care about it. Also, no, I have not read any of your games. Here I kinda lose him. At first, I thought he founded tonal issues that I founded as well with LS. But in truth, he's talking about the excuse from LS about why he wasn't here. It is different from Onegu's post yes, that we can see clearly. But he is overstressing the "nicey nice" part of the excuse LS made (I use excuse as in why he wasn't here). Personally, nothing is wrong with that post from LS imo. Its just a "hey sorry was busy and now I am here" post made to reconnect to the thread. His reasoning on why Onegu post is different, and why he thinks it is townie is fine however.
Overall he has been overstressing things more than they should, which is more AI of a scum player than a town player. But, NU tone as town in previous games is like that. And while he did say he was trying to change his meta, tone and writing style is harder to change than just what you post. He's null/light scum read, but once he posts more content posts (along with everyone else), I will relook. If that "read" doesn't give you 13 ways to wiggle out of committing to a read, I don't know what does. How many times do you have to say "this is scummy but it's also in his townie meta!" in one post before you get a finger wag? There are so many contradictions and outs he gives himself. Given the amount of times he claims something to be in his town meta, he doesn't earn his final read of null/slight scum ^EBWOP^ I really like those posts on Shape. This NU scumread is super long and weak at the same time.
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On November 29 2016 09:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. How so? I recognize myself in his all-over-the-place posts, and he's the townierest dude itt. Also, this is a town post, mang Koshi was this the spew you called weak ? I think it makes Onegu super super likely town
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NU is a spew robot LOL. This game is over
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LOL
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DO YOU NOT WANT TO READ THAT MUCH TEXT
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The great NU spew post: Part 1 (GARANTED LESS THAN 100000 CHARACTERS)
All of these are indications of alignement for players in the game based on NU filter.
Town spew
Onegu - Scum just don't call your partner the "towniest dude" in their second post. Especially bad scum like NU + Show Spoiler +On November 29 2016 09:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. How so? I recognize myself in his all-over-the-place posts, and he's the townierest dude itt. Also, this is a town post, mang
Tictock - Disappointed in his play but not really pushing him. You gotta remember that in the last game TT was a fucking boss and found all scum super quickly. NU posts about TT are weird if TT is his partner, he wouldn't hesitate to scumread him much harder I think, 'cause he would find the difference in his play scummier that they are. It actually shows two things: (1) the knowledge that TT is town and pretty disappointing and (2) a fear of calling him scum in fear that TT destroys him if he returns for real. + Show Spoiler +On November 29 2016 10:27 NeverUnlucky wrote: Tictock feels less interested in the game than usual. :/ At least that's what his filter makes me think.
(Also, he is found twice in the player list on page 1 while Onegu doesn't figure there) On November 30 2016 00:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 00:01 mahrgell wrote:On November 29 2016 23:55 NeverUnlucky wrote: #526
5) and 6) mostly reflect my thoughts on both these players. However, I really don't like this: "Fuck it, I guess I leave [LS] to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion. " It comes back to HF's point re: dedicating a post to someone and not having a clear opinion on them.
On that note, you still have no read on me despite liking the points that were made against me and claiming I am the one you have the most meta with.
Also, fucking stop calling me "controversial" and whatnot. COntroversial most in the sense that you are among the most suspected players in this game. Deal with it. And about not having a read, I think I explained why. Because I feel that what you write in this game, and what others call you out for makes you look scummish in isolation. If I add back the meta, it makes you look townish. So back to square 0. But I don't see much point in argueing about that. I have nothing to add to the allegations against you and it is up to you if you feel you defended enough against those. If you don't feel like they are worth commenting more, just share more good stuff about other players. Like what are your opinions on HF, SL, emp, TT and LS? The allegations as you put it are that I made stuff out of thin air (emp and checkmate) which I debunked, that my post on LS was tainted by the fact that I had a pre-made conclusion on him which is a blatant shade-throw for someone who claims to have no read on me (emp), and that I'm losing ppl with my train of thought (Shape, you). (And a point that emp misunderstood) No example/explanation for the first, shade for the second, and my arguments being too IQ demanding for the third. That's my "case". Here are my reads: TOWNDF Koshi LEAN-TCheckmate Onegu LEAN-SCUMEC TT ?? SL HF's point on you is something I agree with. Like I told you in the noobers game, you don't interact with peoplez enough which makes you look unnatural, not transparent which is a mafia trait. I don't have anything to lean either way on him though. SL has been useless and not in a funny Grack/Superbia way, so he can be scum-leaned until he starts moving his ass. emp, I don't understand how anyone could town-read him. His serious posts after his trolling were about me, and as I mentioned above, one of them was a misunderstanding and the other one had no evidence on why I was making shit up and contained something I perceive as a shade-throw because he doesn't even scum-read me. TT seems uninterested by the game :3 I'm thinking it could be NAI because he was willing to give Onegu his spot in the pre-game which would show that he is not that interested in the game, so it's kind of a moot point. LS, I despised his first post, but I enjoy his attitude in this game. Tone doesn't sound maf. He's null for me now.
Maybe town spew
darthfoley Top town in NU first list post without a single line of explanation. Scum usually don't do that. + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2016 00:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 00:01 mahrgell wrote:On November 29 2016 23:55 NeverUnlucky wrote: #526
5) and 6) mostly reflect my thoughts on both these players. However, I really don't like this: "Fuck it, I guess I leave [LS] to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion. " It comes back to HF's point re: dedicating a post to someone and not having a clear opinion on them.
On that note, you still have no read on me despite liking the points that were made against me and claiming I am the one you have the most meta with.
Also, fucking stop calling me "controversial" and whatnot. COntroversial most in the sense that you are among the most suspected players in this game. Deal with it. And about not having a read, I think I explained why. Because I feel that what you write in this game, and what others call you out for makes you look scummish in isolation. If I add back the meta, it makes you look townish. So back to square 0. But I don't see much point in argueing about that. I have nothing to add to the allegations against you and it is up to you if you feel you defended enough against those. If you don't feel like they are worth commenting more, just share more good stuff about other players. Like what are your opinions on HF, SL, emp, TT and LS? The allegations as you put it are that I made stuff out of thin air (emp and checkmate) which I debunked, that my post on LS was tainted by the fact that I had a pre-made conclusion on him which is a blatant shade-throw for someone who claims to have no read on me (emp), and that I'm losing ppl with my train of thought (Shape, you). (And a point that emp misunderstood) No example/explanation for the first, shade for the second, and my arguments being too IQ demanding for the third. That's my "case". Here are my reads: TOWNDF Koshi LEAN-TCheckmate Onegu LEAN-SCUMEC TT ?? SL HF's point on you is something I agree with. Like I told you in the noobers game, you don't interact with peoplez enough which makes you look unnatural, not transparent which is a mafia trait. I don't have anything to lean either way on him though. SL has been useless and not in a funny Grack/Superbia way, so he can be scum-leaned until he starts moving his ass. emp, I don't understand how anyone could town-read him. His serious posts after his trolling were about me, and as I mentioned above, one of them was a misunderstanding and the other one had no evidence on why I was making shit up and contained something I perceive as a shade-throw because he doesn't even scum-read me. TT seems uninterested by the game :3 I'm thinking it could be NAI because he was willing to give Onegu his spot in the pre-game which would show that he is not that interested in the game, so it's kind of a moot point. LS, I despised his first post, but I enjoy his attitude in this game. Tone doesn't sound maf. He's null for me now.
Koshi / LS / marghell - Lots of interaction, trying to engage conversations, which is hard to fake between partners, espacially for a bad scum. Not gonna quote all the posts 'cause there are a lot, and 'cause these three are also my top three town if you don't take into account NU interactions.
sicklucker - His attack on him around mid-D1 was sudden and weird if he's his partner. Not impossible but I think it's unlikely. + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2016 13:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 09:08 sicklucker wrote: i just want to believe your not claiming power role but you probably are Nobody flagged this????????????? This is so fucking scummy, it's like Lunaticman's entry in that other newbie game where he blue read Stutters for [reasons?]. Why in the world would his reaction to LS asking others to trust him be that he is a PR? On November 30 2016 13:11 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:04 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 13:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote: I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros) And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes) And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3 Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote: @NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? I'm up to date, I was thinking of filtering SL before heading to bed (in 15-20 minutes). Who is town for you, and who is mafia for you? Town: Koshi, DF CM8, Rels, mahr, Onegu*** Mafia: SL tbh you asking me this makes me doubt that you are a mafia. You seem to want to try to understand me. On November 30 2016 13:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:08 sicklucker wrote: i just want to believe your not claiming power role but you probably are Nobody flagged this????????????? This is so fucking scummy, it's like Lunaticman's entry in that other newbie game where he blue read Stutters for [reasons?]. Why in the world would his reaction to LS asking others to trust him be that he is a PR? Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 00:23 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote:I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it: On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts: On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^ Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote: [quote]
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once. I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters:Calix: You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test? My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote: [quote] Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote: [quote] This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters: [quote] My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote: [quote]
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote: [quote]
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ? No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet. There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer. The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle. Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels. Not quite as similar as I recalled, but the point of his reaction being that LS is blue is still fucking scummery. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:11 Tictock wrote:On November 30 2016 13:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:08 sicklucker wrote: i just want to believe your not claiming power role but you probably are Nobody flagged this????????????? This is so fucking scummy, it's like Lunaticman's entry in that other newbie game where he blue read Stutters for [reasons?]. Why in the world would his reaction to LS asking others to trust him be that he is a PR? LS has a bit of a history of claiming blue unnecessarily or way too early, pretty sure that was a jab at that. It's a fairly old meta though. I find this less strange than the people who took Shapes cop claim seriously. SL is one of those people. Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 19:18 sicklucker wrote: shapelogs and ls's interactions were pretty horrible but very town. Also shapelog is obviously the cop and if hes not im going to convince mafia he is so they shot him On December 01 2016 00:47 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 08:30 sicklucker wrote:On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote: Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. going after ls the ultimate lynchbait and getting mad about town circles. Then he just backs off it. then he attacks sicklucker on day one for no reason. he can die first so far Like this is why sl scum-reads me. Because ls is a lynchbait (Don't see how, he's town-read by most ppl), me going for him makes me mafia? Also, I never got mad at any town circle. I did "attack" sl for a reason. His filter was filled with shitposts that weren't even funny and now his only contribution is his scum-read on me which as I've pointed out was taken out of his ass. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 08:32 sicklucker wrote: also like that other new dude he just throws inactive/lazy people at the bott of his scum list. and completely ignored his acual scum read LS. Hes basicly bullied by koshi into not scum reading ls and randomly scum reads me and ticktock for being lazy 6 hours into a game which is hilarious if you think about it. My scumlist when he posted that thing was tt ??, sl and emp. Rels/HF/DF/Onegu who are also inactive/lasy aren't there and neither is LS. Also, my scum-reads on tt and him were far from random.
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The great NU spew post: Part 2 (GARANTED LESS THAN 100000 CHARACTERS)
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Checkm8 - Conflicting things here. On one hand, we have a pretty weak attack on checkm8 that he didn't even try to push when pressured about it, and on the contrary gave an out to checkm8, explaining exactly what C8 had to do to deflect it. On the other hand he listed him in a "townlean" category just after that without explanation, which is a weird thing to do if they're partner, and even more since he just dropped his scumlean on him. + Show Spoiler +On November 29 2016 22:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something. Making comparisons between [ToS/SC2ModMafia] and forum mafia is not a thing to do :3 On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote: I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros) And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes) And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3 Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. On November 29 2016 23:10 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 23:07 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote: I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros) And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes) And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3 Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. Cool quotes at first sight but it is completely different to say "hi" at the start of the game, or what I did. I can see how town!Checkm8 makes that distinction. Do you really believe you found something scummy here? My point was that it was a contradiction. On November 29 2016 23:12 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 23:08 Koshi wrote: Also quoting 2 posts and not writing anything under it feels like an opportunistic as fuck mafia play.
"Please make the wrong assumption town" "Please call me town for finding this contradiction"
Meh. Or... "Explain this contradiction" with the infamous "zzzzzzz" On November 29 2016 23:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 23:15 Koshi wrote: Why don't you have an opinion on it?
Again. I ask you. Did you found this contradiction scummy the moment you saw it? Clearly you did, so tell us why. He went from saying that LS was acting friendly to start conversations and that having a scum-read on him based on that (My read isn't even based on that) is shallow to saying that mobsters are usually the ones who act friendly. Following his logic, he would be inclined to think that it could make LS mafia. Plus, he gives me a scummer-read after straw manning my read on LS. I'd like him to explain how he thinks I'm pulling stuff out of my ass (EC too, stating something doesn't make it true zzz), why he scum-reads me, and what the difference between LS acting nice and mafia acting nice in ToS is. On November 30 2016 00:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 00:01 mahrgell wrote:On November 29 2016 23:55 NeverUnlucky wrote: #526
5) and 6) mostly reflect my thoughts on both these players. However, I really don't like this: "Fuck it, I guess I leave [LS] to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion. " It comes back to HF's point re: dedicating a post to someone and not having a clear opinion on them.
On that note, you still have no read on me despite liking the points that were made against me and claiming I am the one you have the most meta with.
Also, fucking stop calling me "controversial" and whatnot. COntroversial most in the sense that you are among the most suspected players in this game. Deal with it. And about not having a read, I think I explained why. Because I feel that what you write in this game, and what others call you out for makes you look scummish in isolation. If I add back the meta, it makes you look townish. So back to square 0. But I don't see much point in argueing about that. I have nothing to add to the allegations against you and it is up to you if you feel you defended enough against those. If you don't feel like they are worth commenting more, just share more good stuff about other players. Like what are your opinions on HF, SL, emp, TT and LS? The allegations as you put it are that I made stuff out of thin air (emp and checkmate) which I debunked, that my post on LS was tainted by the fact that I had a pre-made conclusion on him which is a blatant shade-throw for someone who claims to have no read on me (emp), and that I'm losing ppl with my train of thought (Shape, you). (And a point that emp misunderstood) No example/explanation for the first, shade for the second, and my arguments being too IQ demanding for the third. That's my "case". Here are my reads: TOWNDF Koshi LEAN-TCheckmate Onegu LEAN-SCUMEC TT ?? SL HF's point on you is something I agree with. Like I told you in the noobers game, you don't interact with peoplez enough which makes you look unnatural, not transparent which is a mafia trait. I don't have anything to lean either way on him though. SL has been useless and not in a funny Grack/Superbia way, so he can be scum-leaned until he starts moving his ass. emp, I don't understand how anyone could town-read him. His serious posts after his trolling were about me, and as I mentioned above, one of them was a misunderstanding and the other one had no evidence on why I was making shit up and contained something I perceive as a shade-throw because he doesn't even scum-read me. TT seems uninterested by the game :3 I'm thinking it could be NAI because he was willing to give Onegu his spot in the pre-game which would show that he is not that interested in the game, so it's kind of a moot point. LS, I despised his first post, but I enjoy his attitude in this game. Tone doesn't sound maf. He's null for me now. On November 30 2016 13:11 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:04 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 13:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote: I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros) And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes) And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3 Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote: @NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? I'm up to date, I was thinking of filtering SL before heading to bed (in 15-20 minutes). Who is town for you, and who is mafia for you? Town: Koshi, DF CM8, Rels, mahr, Onegu*** Mafia: SL tbh you asking me this makes me doubt that you are a mafia. You seem to want to try to understand me.
Maybe scum spew
emperorchampion - His posts towards EC feel forced to me. Their whole interactions at the beginning of the game definitely were showing EC in a better light than NU if we have to chose one, but I coached EC and encouraged him to engage his partners pretty hard; I know he's capable of it. The only time where NU going hard on EC doesn't feel fake is during the EOD1, but that's a period where NU is already quite likely the lynch, especially since just after he went into AFK. It's possible he accepted his death at that time and tried his best to get EC some towncred. + Show Spoiler +These posts are very civil and fabricated. He never tries to engage EC like he did other people I think are town like Koshi or mahrgell, it's always EC that engages him. On November 29 2016 22:50 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 12:57 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote: Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. Flagged this post, I dun like it. 1) It looks like you're trying to make something out of nothing re: throwing something at LS. 2) It reads like you're smooshing two thoughts together, which makes me think that you had some conclusion in mind and are making the evidence fit that. Requires further investigation. I didn't make "something out of nothing". LS' post I quoted summarized the 10 posts that were made before he posted, and that feels forced. He also mentioned that this was his first game in a while, and if you look at the structure of the post re: Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote: Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. you'll notice that that part looks like he forcing to include it in his sentence because he draws the intention away from him in the next sentence. Show me how I'm pulling this argument out of my ass. Explain to me how what I've pointed out doesn't stand out. On November 29 2016 22:53 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 13:03 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 09:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:46 LightningStrike wrote:On February 28 2016 03:11 LightningStrike wrote: Hey guys I here now I was busy and now I here what up? Bam this was me as scum doing that sort of thing Onegu did the quote you townread him for. Ehhhh, not quite the same vibe. Your quoted post's tone is what makes it fucking mafia. You're acting all nicey-nice with the "Hey guys" and "what up" and giving an excuse for why you weren't there with the busy part. Onegu's post is not that. I don't think mafia would have made this post this early cus they would profit from inactivity and do not care about it. Also, no, I have not read any of your games. Flagged this post as well. 1) Activity will happen whether or not mafia wants it to, therefore it's null imo. 2) LS doing this "Hey town read me for this thing you town read someone else for" reminds me of things that I've said when I'm scum. Suspicious! I don't understand either of these two points in context. Perhaps you didn't read the context re: the post I quoted was LS' post in another game where he was mafia. On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote: I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros) And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes) And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3 Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote: @NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. On December 01 2016 01:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 01:01 emperorchampion wrote: ughghg I just don't know about you man. Your case on sl leaves me unconvinced because you are basically suspecting him for troll posts.
I think maybe TT is the top lynch. Thinking about it after his sleep, his big post has sooo many inconsistencies. No, look at my post regarding the timing of the read he made on me. It followed thread sentiment aka it was opportunistic as fuck On December 01 2016 03:11 NeverUnlucky wrote: #895 was a great post. emp probably town These posts are more direct but as said above, they are made just before NU went into AFK, and was likely the lynch. They don't mean anything towards EC alignment, it could be NU trying a last effort, or NU giving EC some cred. On December 01 2016 03:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 12:36 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 11:07 Shapelog wrote:On November 29 2016 07:26 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 07:22 Onegu wrote: country songs dont count they think their cousin is wife material... How can you believe anything they say?
Whoa there par'ner! Just cause the folk that l'sen to strum of the banjo may be cousins, dun mean that the singers are? Catch ma drift? Racist....and a bit songist Gosh your Canadian, does your national anthem not tell you anything? Hey man, I was defending country music! One "farm for 15min to get a blink dagger that you start with for free in LoL as spell" gu was the one knocking it! I'll post some more serious stuff after this guys I really really don't like this last sentence for some reason. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote: I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros) And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes) And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3 Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote: @NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? I asked him to walk me through his read progression on me and he replied with this. How does where I am at in the game change/affect the read progression he has on me? I'd also like an answer to that question I asked @ec. On December 01 2016 04:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 13:25 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 13:08 LightningStrike wrote: EC I seen you made some posts on NU is your conclusion on him so far is that you think he's scum? That what I getting from your posts on him. Not ready to come to a conclusion like that atm, esp. since some of your posts have been suspect, and there is some friction there. Just someone to read more on. He wasn't ready to commit a read on me ESPECIALLY because he suspects LS???????????????? Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 02:55 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 02:39 Shapelog wrote:On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote: NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now. What has made NU town for you now? Also, you think LS is setting up to act like there is mafia between you and NU? For now he seems to understand why he's not mafia, albeit a little rudely, but I'll take it for now. Feels like it yeah. That's how he justifies his town read? How is that even an argument to town-read someone? It's also like he's saying that he tried to reaction-test me to see if I understand if I'm not mafia or something, it's fucking shady. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 03:38 emperorchampion wrote: @Koshi:
1. Rels 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 8. Checkm8 11. sicklucker 12. Tictock
Maybe only 1 of sl and c8? Waiting for c8 since I have something I'm curious about. All of those who were trolling/inactive are his scum-reads at the time. He can't take a stance on the more active players like his posts on me and this post show: + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2016 04:14 emperorchampion wrote:Not sure at the moment. Right now, seems to me like either misguided town, or devious mafia. More likely would be misguided town out of those to me. Could also be the case that NU is actually mafia, and he's on-track-town.That considered, doesn't presently look like a good lynch target to me. You want to go after him? Also, this last sentence sounds like something mafia would ask another mafia but that's pre-flip association. I'm voting EC.
Holyflare - 0 interaction, a very weak townread based on 1 thing and never talking about it again; but on the same time, NU used HF posts or words multiple time to talk about some other things, showing an special attirance to what HF was saying. It COULD be that he knows HF is a great town player and he's using his words each time HF says something that serves his purpose; or it COULD be that he's attracted to HF posts because they're partners. I think the latter is more likely when you take into account that he had 0 interaction with HF, contrary to some other players listed above where he tried to discuss with them. + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2016 00:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 23:58 Holyflare wrote: I feel like you just made a wall of text on every player in the game for no real reason and the majority of your scum leans are simply the unproductive ones. It just seems so out of place. Why the need for the summary? ^ On November 30 2016 00:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 00:01 mahrgell wrote:On November 29 2016 23:55 NeverUnlucky wrote: #526
5) and 6) mostly reflect my thoughts on both these players. However, I really don't like this: "Fuck it, I guess I leave [LS] to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion. " It comes back to HF's point re: dedicating a post to someone and not having a clear opinion on them.
On that note, you still have no read on me despite liking the points that were made against me and claiming I am the one you have the most meta with.
Also, fucking stop calling me "controversial" and whatnot. COntroversial most in the sense that you are among the most suspected players in this game. Deal with it. And about not having a read, I think I explained why. Because I feel that what you write in this game, and what others call you out for makes you look scummish in isolation. If I add back the meta, it makes you look townish. So back to square 0. But I don't see much point in argueing about that. I have nothing to add to the allegations against you and it is up to you if you feel you defended enough against those. If you don't feel like they are worth commenting more, just share more good stuff about other players. Like what are your opinions on HF, SL, emp, TT and LS? The allegations as you put it are that I made stuff out of thin air (emp and checkmate) which I debunked, that my post on LS was tainted by the fact that I had a pre-made conclusion on him which is a blatant shade-throw for someone who claims to have no read on me (emp), and that I'm losing ppl with my train of thought (Shape, you). (And a point that emp misunderstood) No example/explanation for the first, shade for the second, and my arguments being too IQ demanding for the third. That's my "case". Here are my reads: TOWNDF Koshi LEAN-TCheckmate Onegu LEAN-SCUMEC TT ?? SL HF's point on you is something I agree with. Like I told you in the noobers game, you don't interact with peoplez enough which makes you look unnatural, not transparent which is a mafia trait. I don't have anything to lean either way on him though.SL has been useless and not in a funny Grack/Superbia way, so he can be scum-leaned until he starts moving his ass. emp, I don't understand how anyone could town-read him. His serious posts after his trolling were about me, and as I mentioned above, one of them was a misunderstanding and the other one had no evidence on why I was making shit up and contained something I perceive as a shade-throw because he doesn't even scum-read me. TT seems uninterested by the game :3 I'm thinking it could be NAI because he was willing to give Onegu his spot in the pre-game which would show that he is not that interested in the game, so it's kind of a moot point. LS, I despised his first post, but I enjoy his attitude in this game. Tone doesn't sound maf. He's null for me now. On November 30 2016 00:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 00:24 Holyflare wrote: I don't play at work, you're lucky I'm even posting anything right now and even this is tough. My "only content" so far is great and was posted on the train. It's quite easy to see I have a thought process and am following it up whenever my scum read posts (you).
I simply don't have time to read anything other than the latest posts till I get home.
Basically, I think your stances are poor. They are based on meta and/or some form of insubstantial tidbit. "This guy feels different," "Koshi is town for this but here's something I need answers for even though you're not scummy looking at all".
Your mindset just doesn't align with how I'd be thinking if I was thinking what you're thinking. You're questioning your town reads and aren't really concerned about your scum reads. Your only questions are really to your highest town read and have done not much to get any more information from your scum leans.
You want content but you rehash the game in a giant wall and expect people to do something. You want activity, you make activity by asking questions and pushing things. Not by idly commenting in a summary.
The first sentence makes me think that HF is town. On November 30 2016 00:46 NeverUnlucky wrote: What is the purpose of this post other than riding HF's dick? On November 30 2016 12:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:703 Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 23:55 Koshi wrote: It isn't useful for people to exactly understand what I am thinking.
LS is town for me till I say otherwise. Feel free to think differently. Checkm8 is a weaker townread but I like what he said previously, so unless his activity drops and/or says dumb shit he is green. 704 Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 23:58 Holyflare wrote: I feel like you just made a wall of text on every player in the game for no real reason and the majority of your scum leans are simply the unproductive ones. It just seems so out of place. Why the need for the summary? 705 Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote: Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. Look at the timestamp of the posts he quoted - 23:55, 23:58, 9:34 of the same day. He LITERALLY went in my filter to cherry pick one post to formulate a read on me as Koshi and Rels were saying that they disliked me more and more. THIS IS OPPORTUNISTIC AS FUCK. Why didn't he flag this post earlier? But after that he's not listed in his next list post: On November 30 2016 13:11 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:04 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 13:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote: I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros) And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes) And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3 Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote: @NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? I'm up to date, I was thinking of filtering SL before heading to bed (in 15-20 minutes). Who is town for you, and who is mafia for you? Town: Koshi, DF CM8, Rels, mahr, Onegu*** Mafia: SL tbh you asking me this makes me doubt that you are a mafia. You seem to want to try to understand me.
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Shape - 0 interaction, 4 mentions in 2 posts that are completely void on read on him. Very likely partner + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2016 13:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:08 sicklucker wrote: i just want to believe your not claiming power role but you probably are Nobody flagged this????????????? This is so fucking scummy, it's like Lunaticman's entry in that other newbie game where he blue read Stutters for [reasons?]. Why in the world would his reaction to LS asking others to trust him be that he is a PR? Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 00:23 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote:I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it: On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts: On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^ Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote: [quote]
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once. I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters:Calix: You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test? My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote: [quote] Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote: [quote] This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters: [quote] My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote: [quote]
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote: [quote]
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ? No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet. There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer. The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle. Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels. Not quite as similar as I recalled, but the point of his reaction being that LS is blue is still fucking scummery. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:11 Tictock wrote:On November 30 2016 13:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:08 sicklucker wrote: i just want to believe your not claiming power role but you probably are Nobody flagged this????????????? This is so fucking scummy, it's like Lunaticman's entry in that other newbie game where he blue read Stutters for [reasons?]. Why in the world would his reaction to LS asking others to trust him be that he is a PR? LS has a bit of a history of claiming blue unnecessarily or way too early, pretty sure that was a jab at that. It's a fairly old meta though. I find this less strange than the people who took Shapes cop claim seriously. SL is one of those people. Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 19:18 sicklucker wrote: shapelogs and ls's interactions were pretty horrible but very town. Also shapelog is obviously the cop and if hes not im going to convince mafia he is so they shot him On November 30 2016 00:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 00:01 mahrgell wrote:On November 29 2016 23:55 NeverUnlucky wrote: #526
5) and 6) mostly reflect my thoughts on both these players. However, I really don't like this: "Fuck it, I guess I leave [LS] to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion. " It comes back to HF's point re: dedicating a post to someone and not having a clear opinion on them.
On that note, you still have no read on me despite liking the points that were made against me and claiming I am the one you have the most meta with.
Also, fucking stop calling me "controversial" and whatnot. COntroversial most in the sense that you are among the most suspected players in this game. Deal with it. And about not having a read, I think I explained why. Because I feel that what you write in this game, and what others call you out for makes you look scummish in isolation. If I add back the meta, it makes you look townish. So back to square 0. But I don't see much point in argueing about that. I have nothing to add to the allegations against you and it is up to you if you feel you defended enough against those. If you don't feel like they are worth commenting more, just share more good stuff about other players. Like what are your opinions on HF, SL, emp, TT and LS? The allegations as you put it are that I made stuff out of thin air (emp and checkmate) which I debunked, that my post on LS was tainted by the fact that I had a pre-made conclusion on him which is a blatant shade-throw for someone who claims to have no read on me (emp), and that I'm losing ppl with my train of thought (Shape, you). (And a point that emp misunderstood) No example/explanation for the first, shade for the second, and my arguments being too IQ demanding for the third. That's my "case". Here are my reads: TOWNDF Koshi LEAN-TCheckmate Onegu LEAN-SCUMEC TT ?? SL HF's point on you is something I agree with. Like I told you in the noobers game, you don't interact with peoplez enough which makes you look unnatural, not transparent which is a mafia trait. I don't have anything to lean either way on him though. SL has been useless and not in a funny Grack/Superbia way, so he can be scum-leaned until he starts moving his ass. emp, I don't understand how anyone could town-read him. His serious posts after his trolling were about me, and as I mentioned above, one of them was a misunderstanding and the other one had no evidence on why I was making shit up and contained something I perceive as a shade-throw because he doesn't even scum-read me. TT seems uninterested by the game :3 I'm thinking it could be NAI because he was willing to give Onegu his spot in the pre-game which would show that he is not that interested in the game, so it's kind of a moot point. LS, I despised his first post, but I enjoy his attitude in this game. Tone doesn't sound maf. He's null for me now.
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aaaaaaand I'm 1 hour late to getting back to work so see you later mates
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On December 01 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote: You are crazy if you think NU / EC is mafia on mafia. NU attacked LS and EC in a way they are most likely both town. (Trying to convince town in multiple posts)
The fake outrage on the sl push by NU is way more likely mafia on mafia. (He never really tried to convince people to vote sl, especially painfully obvious in that last quote. ) Actually, I don't feel NU tried to get town to lynch EC until the very end. On the other hand I didn't reread how EC pushed him so from this view it might be different.
I disagree on SL. That was at a point in his filter where NU had the liberty to chose any target. I think it's unlikely he went on a partner of his this hard over this little.
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On December 01 2016 23:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:10 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote: You are crazy if you think NU / EC is mafia on mafia. NU attacked LS and EC in a way they are most likely both town. (Trying to convince town in multiple posts)
The fake outrage on the sl push by NU is way more likely mafia on mafia. (He never really tried to convince people to vote sl, especially painfully obvious in that last quote. ) Actually, I don't feel NU tried to get town to lynch EC until the very end. On the other hand I didn't reread how EC pushed him so from this view it might be different. I disagree on SL. That was at a point in his filter where NU had the liberty to chose any target. I think it's unlikely he went on a partner of his this hard over this little. Because that is why we lynched NU. As mafia he can't bring the fire he does as town. Ofc this also shows in the fact he can't get his scumreads lynched. BUT it is blatantly obvious he tried to "sell" the ls and ec scumreads to town. While he didn't try to sell the sl read. It looks possible that he just made something on a scummate that wasn't really that impressive to start with. It was a good out of the box case on a scumbuddy. Basically we agree that his treatment of SL and EC are quite different. But I think you're wrong deciding which is scummier and wihch is townier.
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On December 01 2016 23:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:11 mahrgell wrote: @Koshi so do you think Rels is bad town or does that make him scum? Not sure where you are going here.
Like you lock SL to be scum, then do you think Rels is desperately trying to defend him here? Or do you just think he is doing terrible "reads"? I don't know. sl is not locked scum at all. It is possible Rels and cm8 are mafia for example. And then this "bad" analysis is because Rels is simply not looking for mafia. I also dislike how he so easily in that analysis disregards or ignores everything else EC did. EC is almost never mafia just based on his posting. Even if NU flipped town I wouldn't call EC mafia. But Rels thinks EC is mafia? Very weak. The bolded is wrong. I didn't plan to only focus on NU filter, I started to read his filter and started to make a post and finally it took all my time, and more actually. Good thing it's night time. Also, nothing is bad in my analysis, these are not absolutes tells but I think they are all quite good.
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On December 01 2016 23:19 Holyflare wrote: I don't even agree with half of them.
His tt read could be anything since nu has seen tt do absolutely 0 things as town and die dunno about his mafia play.
His df read is just sheeping sentiment from other players, could easily be a partner (not likely based on df posts tonight).
Nu was in a shit spot from the start of the day and could have easily bussed sl to try and get out/distance
Pretty sure emp is town from play too, spew means nothing. I'm town I also barely played the game for nu to mention me.
Lack of mentioning doesn't mean partner either for shape (shape probably mafia for other reasons).
To me it looks like you've stretched this really thin to make it fit and forge content because nothing you have said is relevant since it came from a Mafia's filter whose whole gameplan is to misconstrue, mislead and lie. I'm pretty sure I've even coached NU and calix in a qt that bussing is good if you do it lightly and to interact a lot and give partners space after bussing.
Do something not nu filter related since koshi already did all this.
- I do exactly what I want - I didn't strech anything, I didn't even plan to make this post, I just had the idea after reading his filter
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On December 01 2016 23:32 mahrgell wrote: About EC I really stand with Koshi. And it confuses the hell out of me what Rels is arguing here. I should probably stop townreading people for making completely outlandish and weird reads... Soon I'm out of targets if I continue doing that. Unless its the axis of inactivity, shlog+cm8 (would be a shame and a waste of time ^.^)
@Rels really, can you post some stuff not related to NUs filter... I don't feel like this is getting us anywhere right now. Are you blind or did you miss the numerous times where I said I used all my time reading NU filter and reacting to it, and more things will have to come out later
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I will have a quick point about it. HF and marhgell in particular, you are very, very annoying to play with, regardless of your alignment. STOP asking me to do things. Marghell you don't know that, HF you do, I'm super active when I have time to play. In particular, calling me "bad town or scum" is making me want to fucking quit. You don't agree with the things I've said ? Fine. You think I'm scum ? OK. Stop telling me to do things that you prefer me to be doing and stop being calling me bad or scum. I know it's hypocritical 'cause I tend to do the same but I try to not do it when I catch myself doing it.
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On December 01 2016 23:54 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:51 Rels wrote: I will have a quick point about it. HF and marhgell in particular, you are very, very annoying to play with, regardless of your alignment. STOP asking me to do things. Marghell you don't know that, HF you do, I'm super active when I have time to play. In particular, calling me "bad town or scum" is making me want to fucking quit. You don't agree with the things I've said ? Fine. You think I'm scum ? OK. Stop telling me to do things that you prefer me to be doing and stop being calling me bad or scum. I know it's hypocritical 'cause I tend to do the same but I try to not do it when I catch myself doing it. Okay, I will try. Sorry. Given my own rather emotional reactions to similar instances I can understand you here. TY, sorry for the rant.
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On December 02 2016 00:04 Holyflare wrote: Stop being such a little bitch rels wtf. Who cares what we're saying or what alignment we are? Why would you waste what little time you have going over.
A) what Koshi has already done B) stuff that a confirmed flipped liar has said
It's a colossal waste of time. There are accusations against you, things to respond to, things to solve. Rehashing some dead liars filter does not find mafia, does not do anything other than drain little time you have and make you look worse to two townies that are criticising you.
Players have their own filters. I was your biggest scum read day 1 and all you're concerned about is repetition and not providing any analysis on who mafia is, you haven't even mentioned my name since. You're bad or scum. p: Seriously though this is bad:
I'm not refusing to erad other filters, I just started with the flipped scum.
I'm not draining the "little time I have" since I have all evening to play and it's not even day time yet.
Associations with a flipped bad scum is super powerful.
That Koshi did it before is not an argument against me doing it. I concluded things that are the direct opposite to what Koshi believes actually.
I defended myself quickly, if something is still unclear to you ask me, otherwise this is meaningless.
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On December 02 2016 00:15 Koshi wrote: Maybe mafia needs to shoot Rels. Please no I'm just getting started with this game
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On December 02 2016 00:21 Holyflare wrote: I just think it's really really fucking weird that I'm your biggest scum read day 1, NU somehow pops up and you're more concerned about hopping on his wagon instead of pushing your scum read for the day and then the most important thing you think of doing is going through and rehashing a filter instead of pushing me more when all I've done is push you a lot since the end of last day and you keep calling me bad or mafia.
Surely, and like you've mentioned earlier when I called out margarita pizza, you'd be more hellbent on calling me scum and pushing me if you were town? You were my biggest scumread mid D1. At EOD1 NU was.
On December 02 2016 00:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:48 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 23:32 mahrgell wrote: About EC I really stand with Koshi. And it confuses the hell out of me what Rels is arguing here. I should probably stop townreading people for making completely outlandish and weird reads... Soon I'm out of targets if I continue doing that. Unless its the axis of inactivity, shlog+cm8 (would be a shame and a waste of time ^.^)
@Rels really, can you post some stuff not related to NUs filter... I don't feel like this is getting us anywhere right now. Are you blind or did you miss the numerous times where I said I used all my time reading NU filter and reacting to it, and more things will have to come out later Used all my time. "I didn't use all my time" Can you see why I keep calling out your contradictions? It's just everything you say. Like you, I don't have time to read filters since I'm working at the smae time, but I'm reading along and taking a few minutes to answer if I see something I wanna react to.
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On December 02 2016 00:25 Holyflare wrote: Rels I'll make a deal with you. I will treat you like confirmed town and I would like you to do the same with me, just for this cycle or whatever.
We'll try and look at the game from this perspective and if it doesn't fit we can see what happens ok? I don't wanna get into pedantic arguments anymore. Sure. I mean, talk about other stuff and I'll respond to it if I have things to say. You're not gonna become confirmed town in my mind if I don't think you are.
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LS: 1 - I don't believe this proves anything. Shape has shown liking to write stupid stuff and doing stupid things as either alignment, especially during early game. I can see him writing these posts as town or scum just for fun if he's town, or WIFOMing the setup if he's scum. 2 - That sounds more promising. What promises did he break ? 3 - Yep 100% agree.
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On December 02 2016 00:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 00:41 Rels wrote: LS: 1 - I don't believe this proves anything. Shape has shown liking to write stupid stuff and doing stupid things as either alignment, especially during early game. I can see him writing these posts as town or scum just for fun if he's town, or WIFOMing the setup if he's scum. 2 - That sounds more promising. What promises did he break ? 3 - Yep 100% agree. Promises he broke: Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 22:30 Shapelog wrote: Urg. Not being able to play yesterday messed me up.
Got my busier schedule today. When I get time, i'll filter.
I thought of something about SL last night however. I'm not terribly sure about it yet, and honestly, the evidence to support it is very very very bad. But in a previous mafia game (can't remember the name), I fake claimed mafia early into the game (was town). Scum!SL jumped on it, and pushed the fact that I could (due to my "eccrtice" past) be doing that as mafia to look fearless. He used it also to justify tunneling me for the day phase.
Here, SL did not take that liberty. Instead, he just nodded and left it be, while trying to gain info (post about the discussion being bad between me and LS but townie) from what happens around it. He could of jumped on it if he was mafia (especially this time with my claim.) yet didn't.
I know it was one game, but he had a opportunity to push me for it and didn't take it. thoughts (even tho i won't be here in 10 mins :/)? He didn't really try to catch up or didn't show he really did as his last post was this: Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 22:32 Shapelog wrote: Also Onegu stole the way I catch up.
Thief! That and the timing on some his promises into do something did happen but later than what he said he was going to do. That's pretty good actually. It's not definite as something might have happened IRL for example, but I know I do this a lot as scum since it's a hjard task to lie all the time: promise I'll be active at some point, and not doing it when times comes, 'cause it's easier said than done.
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mahrgell you really make me think of me my first games Last game you played the same style I did in my first game too, very structured posts, everything documented and sourced. We even both got N1 killed This game you have spend hours filtering everybody to give a fair assesment of the game, which I also did in my second game. This is pretty cool
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OK I read EC filter and I see what everyone else seems to think already. I don't see him and NU being partner. Attacking from the start + then naturally townreading him + then attacking him again for his bad post on C8 is a pretty strong not-partner indicator.
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shit I also think HF is town
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A big thing to use when trapping scum!HF is seeing if he tries to destroy people with pretty arguments or not. And I had this impression that he was burrying me over exactly that each time I tried to post, wasting the little time I had. But reading his filter with a calm mind he's always replying more or less logically to something. And now I really found his "LS might be scum" post townie. I disagree with it, but it was a new thought out of nowhere which can make sense.
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On December 02 2016 04:47 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 04:41 Rels wrote: A big thing to use when trapping scum!HF is seeing if he tries to destroy people with pretty arguments or not. And I had this impression that he was burrying me over exactly that each time I tried to post, wasting the little time I had. But reading his filter with a calm mind he's always replying more or less logically to something. And now I really found his "LS might be scum" post townie. I disagree with it, but it was a new thought out of nowhere which can make sense. Apologies if I missed it, where's your head right now with the 2 mafia? Still the spew posts from a few pages back? Shape for sure. Then I dunno, C8 maybe, but I'm pretty lost.
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On November 30 2016 07:47 darthfoley wrote:Don't agree with Koshi's TR on Checkm8. He's pulled the "im a newb" thing at least twice, and he has only mentioned like one "gut" read. He's scummier than town for now, although I don't think he's at the top of my list atm. Being a first time player is a bit intimidating from either alignment Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 11:24 Tictock wrote: This is pretty standard Early game for me, idk what you all are talking about.
I dare you to meta me. I mean I literally just played a game with you where you were town and you didn't play D1 like this at all. You were aggressive and went after people, asked many more questions, and seemed perfectly invested in the game-- all while there was pressure on you. So unless you've lost the mafia passion after doing really well last game individually/winning as a town within the last two weeks, your excuse is a little hard to buy. You did ask about me and EC, but it seemed half assed. TT is in my scum lean pile Also not a fan of HF so far. He's kind of a being a dick which is NAI(?) but annoying. Especially after playing a game with NU and Calix. I made similar points against mahrgell last game but I was wrong, and he's playing very similar to that game-- though mahrgell is being a little over combative. HF has spent 80% of his filter grilling one dude and I don't see the point from a town perspective, especially as a uber veteran of TL mafia. If someone can make a post explaining why he/she thinks LS is town for reasons other than BS meta claims I'd love to hear it. I got burned last time people simply accepted a meta town read of LS so I want to hear something real. I do think the dynamic between LS/NU/EC is a bit interesting (LS claiming that EC vs. NU is MvT). Not sure where I stand on that yet besides that i'm town reading NU and i'm up in the air between the other two.
Mahrgell/Koshi/Shape and probably Rels are on my town pile for now. DF why did you not include NU in your town list if you were townreading him ?
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DF can you explain your LS read please ?
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On December 02 2016 04:54 mahrgell wrote:I just don't like this guyHF - His number of posts does not really change his lack of real activity. Has been on 2 tunnels so far and openly celebrates his unwillingness to look deeper at other players or do anything besides tunneling. Oh and if I would be undecided between him and anyone else I would policy lynch him for this alone. This followup makes me actually feel very bad about him. Exchanging "i'm not being a dick and wont try to make you uncomfortable" for "don't scumread me" is quite pathetic. Additionally him claiming himself to be toptown (have I mentioned I hate that?) without basically anything speaking for that feels almost like baiting for protection. I don't see a world where scum would lynch him. hahaha =D The links you posted are NAI for HF, he can be super annoying as either alignment. The first things you're saying are the best actually. He COULD be scum playing the "I don't really care about this game" card but I don't think so anymore, because his reads flow and change logically, and more importantly, I don't have the feeling that he's hiding behind tunnels to not do anything else.
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I'm here but I drank a lot and dont have ANY WILL to read these pages
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Shapelog I've read all your posts today and nothing convinced me. Your big defense post is full of words you could write as mafia. All your other posts gives nothing about your insight. In particular, your joke list post is super suspicious to me. It reads as if you
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continued: as if you just decided to have a joke tone, it was a legit question, you obv have some ideas about the game, I don't get why you would not share it
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I thought I was only going to read Shape filter before sleeping but I feel better actually, gonna read the posts I've missed since yesterday
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On December 02 2016 07:49 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 07:03 darthfoley wrote: don't understand why the medic or jk didn't save Koshi. Thought he was most town I'm kinda assuming it's setup #3 with a flipped Framer and Cop. Maybe JK decided he had a better TR on someone else, also possibly got RB'd. TT how could you check the setups and make such an error ? It's weird to me
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2016 09:25 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 05:11 Rels wrote:On December 02 2016 04:54 mahrgell wrote:I just don't like this guyHF - His number of posts does not really change his lack of real activity. Has been on 2 tunnels so far and openly celebrates his unwillingness to look deeper at other players or do anything besides tunneling. Oh and if I would be undecided between him and anyone else I would policy lynch him for this alone. This followup makes me actually feel very bad about him. Exchanging "i'm not being a dick and wont try to make you uncomfortable" for "don't scumread me" is quite pathetic. Additionally him claiming himself to be toptown (have I mentioned I hate that?) without basically anything speaking for that feels almost like baiting for protection. I don't see a world where scum would lynch him. hahaha =D The links you posted are NAI for HF, he can be super annoying as either alignment. The first things you're saying are the best actually. He COULD be scum playing the "I don't really care about this game" card but I don't think so anymore, because his reads flow and change logically, and more importantly, I don't have the feeling that he's hiding behind tunnels to not do anything else. First of all. I already said, that the first link for my is ust policy lynch territory. The second one is really not. Like I have no clue how the TL mafia meta goes. But hailing players as such great mafia players, when this seems to be entirely based on them establishing such a bullshit meta and not ever being questioned y anyone else out of some weird kind of respect for it seems fucking weird. Now to the rest: I am not disagreeing with the part that his reads were kinda fluent. Hell, his "advice" to me regarding how to improve my play was actually good. But the point is, that every semi competent player should be able to do fluent reads when he singles out only 2 or 3 people out of 13. Other players(town and scum) make weird stuff. ump on those and score your points. Where scum really trips is when they have to deal those players who are more difficult. When they have to commit to interpretations etc. Again, you tell me this is his meta. If it is, great, then his play is not scum indicative. But it still has to be questioned. Next you say he is not hiding behind it? Really? Are we even in the same game? I'm not in the mood to filter dive right now, but from memory I know that when he was on me, I asked several questions regarding other players, wanted reads on anyone but me, he refused, saying that he is all on me, and doesnt care about anyone els,e because at work. He later came back, and didn't bother one bit to look a bit broader. Later on, he replaced me with you, now all he did was going after you. Again, there were several instances were he actively said that he is not willing to dive other filters and refused to answer questions. Really? He is not hiding behind this bullshit meta you are so willing to accept? Now look at his defenses. Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 05:32 Holyflare wrote: I honestly don't get how anyone can say I haven't been active either. I've made a lot of cases and good pushes. Not sure in what world he is living, but nope. Simply nope. His entire acitivity was on a handful players. If we do not udge acitvity by post count (Onegu would also do really well in that category) but how much of the game the person covered, than HF is in deep shit territory. Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 05:36 Holyflare wrote: It's also not pathetic in the slightest. I get tunneled on people that call me mafia almost exclusively and rels looks kind of the same so giving each other breathing room is the best thing to do. Next post. Oh, wasn't he just a second ago so certain how great his play was? Suddenly he is getting tunneled on players who scumread him. Sounds like absolutely great mafia play. And yes, I completely agree that sometimes giving each other breathing room is a great idea. But when someone tells you to stop this tone, then going in, escalating it further and then using this as a bargain chip to get your breathing room? Nope! And seemingly this is completely okay for everyone. Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 08:21 Holyflare wrote:On December 02 2016 08:16 darthfoley wrote:On December 02 2016 08:15 Holyflare wrote: Koshi kill confirms me town.
##vote Shapelog lol how? So many reasons. The primary one being I'm not a retard. Okay, not much time has passed. But somehow I feel people are again gonna accept this. He did the same D1 and everybody was fine with it. Today I won't. If this is really all he has to bring, he should die. Like until now I tried to pay respect to what people told me about the meta on TL and in forum mafia in general. But this case I really can not do that, because it reminds me of last game. You were in there. I called out Foreman for exactly the same shit on D1. That he was scum in this case can be called noobs luck on my part. But anyway. I felt my case was reasonable. But then everybody jumped me. "But Mahrgell, him not answering your questions and giving you a finger, this could be part of his character and meta. This is really nothing." And Foreman grinned happily and didn't answer "But Mahrgell, him not caring about large parts of the game and publicly celebrating this arrogant and ignorant attitude, this could be really part of his meta, dont blame him for that" and again Foreman grinned happily and continued. Foreman then went MIA though, so the problem resolved itself. Like I had seen a comparison with Foreman earlier this game. Not sure who it was (CM8?). But really. If there is any Foreman equivalent in this game, it is HF. And people are completely willing to let this happen and it fucking annoys me. He loses nothing as town if he drops this ans finally starts answering and caring. But it makes his scum play pretty damn easy when everyone lets it go. And then I see people telling me "but keep HF alive for the first couple of days, lynch him later, he is a great contributor" Seriously, I was doing this with Koshi. But I have no fucking reason to do that with HF. I simply don't see great contributions. What has he actually done this game? Like if you compare the contributions of yourself(Rels), DF, Koshi, Emp to him... Is HF really the guy who can be called a leading contributor? My answer is no. TLDR: ##vote Holyflare To marghell: To answer your interrogation: what I was talking about when I said "he's not hiding behind it" was not the excuses you quoted, but the fact that he called other people scum while doing his "tunnels". In partcular, as I mentionned before, his LS read came out of the blue and I thought it was pretty townie. I'm not 100% convinced he's town but I kinda think he is. I agree that he is underwhelming BUT check any of his scumgames and you'll see that it's not a criteria to decide whether or not HF is scum; he has been considered one of the best scum on this forum for some time for his ability to lead the thread where he wants. Now I'm not saying him playing lazily proves he's not scum, but what I'm saying is him being unmotivated or lazy is very likely due to his outside-the-game mental state and not something he's doing to hide his scuminess, 'cause he's perfectly capable to be super townie as scum.
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On December 03 2016 09:42 Tictock wrote: I have a better counter question.
How would I make that mistake as scum? The susbsquent point being that it awfully looks like a fake dumbtell
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On December 02 2016 09:59 sicklucker wrote: lol theres no way a mafia newb like mahrgell has the balls to go after hf this hard as mafia That doesn't make sense. "Newbie" mahrgell doesn't know about HF, and what HF has done this game wouldn't scare a newb scum more than half the players here
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On December 03 2016 09:47 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 09:59 sicklucker wrote: lol theres no way a mafia newb like mahrgell has the balls to go after hf this hard as mafia That doesn't make sense. "Newbie" mahrgell doesn't know about HF, and what HF has done this game wouldn't scare a newb scum more than half the players here SL please expand on that thought 'cause I'm not grasping it
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On December 02 2016 14:35 Tictock wrote: Let's see if I can manage a filter dive. I've got an idea how I can do this but I won't be able to quote shit since I'm phone posting so bear with me a bit.
Gunna look at SL since his recent posts give me the heebies and I want to see what Shape has got for us before looking at him in depth.
A bunch of SLs posts seem like they could come from either alignment. The stuff that stands out to me is his TR of Shape because of Shapes earlier cop joke. SL made a post (#471) that indicates to me he knows it was a joke. The "I'll make mafia believe the claim and get Shape shot" bit makes me think he wasn't taking it as a real claim, and he even commented on Shapes grammar cop post. Then he goes on to say that mafia Shape never claims cop like that because he can't back out of it. Not only is it not at all true that mafia!shape would ever do that but it only makes sense if it were a real claim.
#687 - seems odd to me that SL expected himself to be lynched. Usually he has a lot of fight in him and claims he can't be lynched
#704 - feels like he is just adding shade to Gell with HF's pressure. Saying Gell isn't a newb and suggesting he might have a meta of making list posts feels off. The former suggests SL has experience with Gell but the latter is the opposite.
#705 - First mention of NU. Calls him out for pushing lynch bait LS and for calling SL scum. Kinda late to pickup the LS point so seems more of a OMGUS reaction. Kinda in line with Koshi's point about SL bussing.
#754 - straight up lie, SL never mentioned NU till after NU said stuff about him. Kinda wish I could check the timeline better but this is hard enough on a phone already.
#756 - a bit odd he says "maybe Emp" in his mafia list when he hadn't mentioned him before and had literally just agreed with Emps post where he voted NU
After that there wasn't really anything else D1. SL leaves a vote on NU, makes like 4 posts calling Onegu town for trying so hard, and that's it.
During the night SL called darth scum, didn't follow through looking for NU spew, and wants towncred for "finding scum" and "AFK voting scum". The last part would be fine expect for him basically sleeping Emp then calling him mafia in the next post.
Then suddenly today SL's posting is dramatically different and he's putting way too much stock into a really bad townread on Shape and not really evaluating Darth very well, just narrowly focusing on a few points.
TBH I could still see a lot of this coming from town!SL, but I am really starting to think he is mafia here.
On the the other hand these are all great observation. I started reading this post ready to be super critical about it but everything is fucking true - sicklucker's NU handling is fuckign weird in particular. Saying to him "you can die first", then saying to EC "yeah I can get behind a NU vote" (he's already said he's scumreading him ?) THEN calling EC maybe scum when EC main target was NU is super weird. Gonna quote it:
On November 30 2016 08:30 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote: Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. going after ls the ultimate lynchbait and getting mad about town circles. Then he just backs off it. then he attacks sicklucker on day one for no reason. he can die first so far
On November 30 2016 16:00 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 14:05 emperorchampion wrote: I remain pretty unconvinced by NU's last post.
##vote: NeverUnlucky ya i can get behind this. his reasons for scum reading me seem super made up after I called him out for scum reading people for no reason
On November 30 2016 16:02 sicklucker wrote: pretty sure I cant be scum since everyone whos likely scum thinks im scum.
Darthfoley mahgr never maybe emp
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+ SL knows he's often scumread on D1, as town or scum for that matter, I dunno if he would think "all the likley scum thinks I'm scum" as town. SL can you expand on this thought too please
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On December 02 2016 16:43 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 16:35 emperorchampion wrote:On December 02 2016 16:29 Shapelog wrote: Talk to me Ec.
Ask me questions that I might have the answer to. Too tired to filter. Too awake to sleep. Just want some initial read list nothing fleshed out. Ok. Town: Me Scum: TBA Question marks: Everyone This is even worse on the second reading. You asked EC to talk to you, he asked you the most legitimate of question and you troll him. I just can't believe you made this gigantic defense post but at the same time have nothing to say about anyone. This is calculated
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On December 03 2016 06:58 darthfoley wrote: l0L i'm actually going to a smash tournament tonight but I should be back by 9-10PM EST That's pretty cool (= GL HF mate
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On December 03 2016 10:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2016 10:18 Rels wrote:On December 03 2016 06:58 darthfoley wrote: l0L i'm actually going to a smash tournament tonight but I should be back by 9-10PM EST That's pretty cool (= GL HF mate Thanks friend I'm starting to see why you picked that name
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I find this TMI convincing actually, it might be a scumslip if it's confirmed that we're setup 3. SL really used the word "jailkeeped" for no reason
On December 02 2016 18:46 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 16:36 darthfoley wrote:On December 02 2016 16:22 emperorchampion wrote:On December 02 2016 16:14 Holyflare wrote: Also, df is 100% town. There's no way I basically claim blue like 6 times and he doesn't kill me over koshi. These would have killed you, wouldn't have killed you arguments are silly. Filter padding at it's finest. Don't think this applies to my case. HF blue claimed like 5 times and I spotted it instantly. He would've been my NK 1000%. Surprised no one else seemed to catch on to this trend. (i'm aware it's wifom) On November 30 2016 16:29 Holyflare wrote: You shouldn't lynch me. On December 01 2016 19:06 Holyflare wrote: Mafia gotta kill me. Dis gonna be good. On December 02 2016 00:23 Holyflare wrote: Mafia have to shoot me. It's super obvious what I am. On December 02 2016 05:02 Holyflare wrote: You should all be town reading me. Dunno why I'm not top, pretty obvious what I am. Killing HF is a good medic dodge cuz people were sus of him and he claimed blue. I know it's WIFOM but why wouldn't you take the chance as mafia? hf is not a medic dodge... hf is a fucking amazing n1 kill and he was probably jailkeeped last night rofl. Proof that hf was jailkeeped last night? koshi died and no one else was really worth using it on. So your entire arguments are dumb because CLEARLY HF IS NOT A GOOD MEDIC DODGE. CLEARLY HE WAS THE FUCKING SAVE LAST NIGHT
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On December 03 2016 15:20 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2016 05:58 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2016 05:53 darthfoley wrote: Still waiting on those Shapelog reads my reads are still my dat one reads since he has not really posted since... Its kind of your guys job to know it. I still think hes fucking town because of his cop stuff. Something a mafia would never do. That read still stands to this day because theres no reason to freakin change it. This doesn't make sense. This is a forced read. This amkes me think very much of Skynx' ExO read last game, where scum!Skynx just decided to townread town!ExO (exo was super scummy and was lynched D1) for bad reasons that he couldn't properly explain. The cop stuff is NAI in my opinion. And if we admit it could be townie, it's not something that should go against everything else SHape has done.
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On December 03 2016 15:31 sicklucker wrote: and rels you find it weird that I vote with someone I think is maybe scumat the time emp?? on someone im like 90% sure is scum and at the top of my list?
I didnt really even think emp was likely mafia more null I just had alot of town reads at the time out of the people who were posting. alot of people had not posted at that time .
I was town reading koshi/hf/onegu/ls/shapelog everyone else who was posting pretty much except for that person so I just through in a "maybe" instead of a fucking null category Nope. The two scummy things were your "I could get behind a NU lynch" in reaction to EC making a post on NU, when you ALREADY scumread him; and you null/scumreading EC when he made the same points than you on NU but deeper. In addition I don't believe you think people scumreading you makes you town, you know a lot of people scumread you D1 as town.
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Another thing on SL is that he had ZERO town spree, like he usually does in 100% of his town games. When he finds that one stupid (or sometimes crazily good) thing and tunnel on it for posts and posts. Thinking on voting SL over Shape. We'll see what Shape does when he goes back.
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C8 being modkilled would be cool too.
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On December 03 2016 21:11 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2016 20:56 Rels wrote: Another thing on SL is that he had ZERO town spree, like he usually does in 100% of his town games. When he finds that one stupid (or sometimes crazily good) thing and tunnel on it for posts and posts. Thinking on voting SL over Shape. We'll see what Shape does when he goes back. What do you mean by that? Like SLs meta is still a riddle to me, and the one game linked earlier was absolutely nothing like him in this game. But this game he one post tunneled NU into afk vote and then tunneled DF(I can follow those arguments, just don't agree with them). I'll find examples when I'm in front of a PC. Basically sicklucker has this distinct way of doing a lot of posts over a single thing and that's kinda his town thing. He has a very hard time replicating it as scum and when he tries it usually looks forced.
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That sl omgus. Explain very clearly why shape would not claim cop at the start of the game as scum and how it makes him 100% town, you don't even need to read anything else
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On December 03 2016 23:06 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2016 23:05 Holyflare wrote: I'm sure I remember someone saying Shapelog has fake claimed before anyway? I personaly have not but thats not even what happened here. he tried to take a role bullit imo... poorly... Something which you did as well and I dont understand how you cant see it This doesn't make sense. You read is set in stone for an extremely weak reason and instead of seeing it hand adapting it you're defending it
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On December 04 2016 02:10 sicklucker wrote: Emp HolyFlare
huge drop
Ls Mahr onegu shapelog Ticktock checkm8??? who
Rels Darthfole
about where im at. Maybe rels was a bit omgus but fuck that guy. his read looked super forced and oputunistic
"Opportunistic" is the easiest word to use when you wanna throw fake suspicion to someone.
Your shape read STILL doesn't make sense. Have you even read his filter ? He's the goddamn lynch right now and you don't think he's scum - at least you think there are 4 people scummier than him. Why ? You just admited your "he wouldn't claim cop" BS doesn't hold, why is he townier than TT C8 DF and I ? And to add to that, I find very suspicious that you wouldn't fight against a lynch you don't believe in, especially since I know you can do exactly that as town.
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Your shape read is exactly what Skynx did last game. You just decided he was town for this reason, but your read is not evolving, you're not re evaluating or using any other posts of it - hell you don't even show that you read his filter.
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On December 04 2016 04:55 emperorchampion wrote: Onegu was here and catching up, but didn't post anything? He said he would catch up when waking up.
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On December 04 2016 05:00 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2016 04:57 Rels wrote:On December 04 2016 04:55 emperorchampion wrote: Onegu was here and catching up, but didn't post anything? He said he would catch up when waking up. Ah OK yeah, I dunno his time zone. In the US, so I think it's supposed to be right now, or maybe even a little earlier
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On December 04 2016 05:03 LightningStrike wrote: Onegu lives in Taiwan I think? So it's still early in the morning. Oh OK
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mahrgell I understand the dilemna you're bringing up. The answer to this is just lynching the scummiest dude. Now activity can be a alignment indicator, but it should be just that - between a inactive scumlean and a super active scumread we should lynch the scumread.
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On December 04 2016 05:31 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2016 04:27 Rels wrote:On December 04 2016 02:10 sicklucker wrote: Emp HolyFlare
huge drop
Ls Mahr onegu shapelog Ticktock checkm8??? who
Rels Darthfole
about where im at. Maybe rels was a bit omgus but fuck that guy. his read looked super forced and oputunistic
"Opportunistic" is the easiest word to use when you wanna throw fake suspicion to someone. Your shape read STILL doesn't make sense. Have you even read his filter ? He's the goddamn lynch right now and you don't think he's scum - at least you think there are 4 people scummier than him. Why ? You just admited your "he wouldn't claim cop" BS doesn't hold, why is he townier than TT C8 DF and I ? And to add to that, I find very suspicious that you wouldn't fight against a lynch you don't believe in, especially since I know you can do exactly that as town. I fought against it at the start of the day...where were you? It didnt work everyones afk here we are And why shouldn't we Lynch shape ?
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On December 04 2016 05:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2016 05:43 Rels wrote:On December 04 2016 05:31 sicklucker wrote:On December 04 2016 04:27 Rels wrote:On December 04 2016 02:10 sicklucker wrote: Emp HolyFlare
huge drop
Ls Mahr onegu shapelog Ticktock checkm8??? who
Rels Darthfole
about where im at. Maybe rels was a bit omgus but fuck that guy. his read looked super forced and oputunistic
"Opportunistic" is the easiest word to use when you wanna throw fake suspicion to someone. Your shape read STILL doesn't make sense. Have you even read his filter ? He's the goddamn lynch right now and you don't think he's scum - at least you think there are 4 people scummier than him. Why ? You just admited your "he wouldn't claim cop" BS doesn't hold, why is he townier than TT C8 DF and I ? And to add to that, I find very suspicious that you wouldn't fight against a lynch you don't believe in, especially since I know you can do exactly that as town. I fought against it at the start of the day...where were you? It didnt work everyones afk here we are And why shouldn't we Lynch shape ? can you stop talking about a ghost thats already as good as dead no shennanies are happening here ever? Your talking alot of shit about me but what have you brought to the table other then talking about a dead person and me thinking hes not a great lynch even tho hes already lynched and its not really relevant to the game Nope, since he's the Lynch right now and you had a weird town read on him, which is now a completely null read.
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On December 04 2016 05:59 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 00:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 00:01 mahrgell wrote:On November 29 2016 23:55 NeverUnlucky wrote: #526
5) and 6) mostly reflect my thoughts on both these players. However, I really don't like this: "Fuck it, I guess I leave [LS] to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion. " It comes back to HF's point re: dedicating a post to someone and not having a clear opinion on them.
On that note, you still have no read on me despite liking the points that were made against me and claiming I am the one you have the most meta with.
Also, fucking stop calling me "controversial" and whatnot. COntroversial most in the sense that you are among the most suspected players in this game. Deal with it. And about not having a read, I think I explained why. Because I feel that what you write in this game, and what others call you out for makes you look scummish in isolation. If I add back the meta, it makes you look townish. So back to square 0. But I don't see much point in argueing about that. I have nothing to add to the allegations against you and it is up to you if you feel you defended enough against those. If you don't feel like they are worth commenting more, just share more good stuff about other players. Like what are your opinions on HF, SL, emp, TT and LS? The allegations as you put it are that I made stuff out of thin air (emp and checkmate) which I debunked, that my post on LS was tainted by the fact that I had a pre-made conclusion on him which is a blatant shade-throw for someone who claims to have no read on me (emp), and that I'm losing ppl with my train of thought (Shape, you). (And a point that emp misunderstood) No example/explanation for the first, shade for the second, and my arguments being too IQ demanding for the third. That's my "case". Here are my reads: TOWNDFKoshi LEAN-TCheckmate Onegu LEAN-SCUMEC TT ?? SL HF's point on you is something I agree with. Like I told you in the noobers game, you don't interact with peoplez enough which makes you look unnatural, not transparent which is a mafia trait. I don't have anything to lean either way on him though. SL has been useless and not in a funny Grack/Superbia way, so he can be scum-leaned until he starts moving his ass. emp, I don't understand how anyone could town-read him. His serious posts after his trolling were about me, and as I mentioned above, one of them was a misunderstanding and the other one had no evidence on why I was making shit up and contained something I perceive as a shade-throw because he doesn't even scum-read me. TT seems uninterested by the game :3 I'm thinking it could be NAI because he was willing to give Onegu his spot in the pre-game which would show that he is not that interested in the game, so it's kind of a moot point. LS, I despised his first post, but I enjoy his attitude in this game. Tone doesn't sound maf. He's null for me now. Lol he has df as his top town for literraly no reason. Just like he had me at the bottom even tho he was talking about 5 other players. He didnt mention df in his filter before this just like me. Knowing im fucking town and he put me at the bottom. This is just more proof to me that darth is his partner I have the opposite conclusion on that. Scum don't put their partners top town for no reason
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On December 04 2016 06:12 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2016 06:01 Rels wrote:On December 04 2016 05:59 sicklucker wrote:On November 30 2016 00:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 00:01 mahrgell wrote:On November 29 2016 23:55 NeverUnlucky wrote: #526
5) and 6) mostly reflect my thoughts on both these players. However, I really don't like this: "Fuck it, I guess I leave [LS] to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion. " It comes back to HF's point re: dedicating a post to someone and not having a clear opinion on them.
On that note, you still have no read on me despite liking the points that were made against me and claiming I am the one you have the most meta with.
Also, fucking stop calling me "controversial" and whatnot. COntroversial most in the sense that you are among the most suspected players in this game. Deal with it. And about not having a read, I think I explained why. Because I feel that what you write in this game, and what others call you out for makes you look scummish in isolation. If I add back the meta, it makes you look townish. So back to square 0. But I don't see much point in argueing about that. I have nothing to add to the allegations against you and it is up to you if you feel you defended enough against those. If you don't feel like they are worth commenting more, just share more good stuff about other players. Like what are your opinions on HF, SL, emp, TT and LS? The allegations as you put it are that I made stuff out of thin air (emp and checkmate) which I debunked, that my post on LS was tainted by the fact that I had a pre-made conclusion on him which is a blatant shade-throw for someone who claims to have no read on me (emp), and that I'm losing ppl with my train of thought (Shape, you). (And a point that emp misunderstood) No example/explanation for the first, shade for the second, and my arguments being too IQ demanding for the third. That's my "case". Here are my reads: TOWNDFKoshi LEAN-TCheckmate Onegu LEAN-SCUMEC TT ?? SL HF's point on you is something I agree with. Like I told you in the noobers game, you don't interact with peoplez enough which makes you look unnatural, not transparent which is a mafia trait. I don't have anything to lean either way on him though. SL has been useless and not in a funny Grack/Superbia way, so he can be scum-leaned until he starts moving his ass. emp, I don't understand how anyone could town-read him. His serious posts after his trolling were about me, and as I mentioned above, one of them was a misunderstanding and the other one had no evidence on why I was making shit up and contained something I perceive as a shade-throw because he doesn't even scum-read me. TT seems uninterested by the game :3 I'm thinking it could be NAI because he was willing to give Onegu his spot in the pre-game which would show that he is not that interested in the game, so it's kind of a moot point. LS, I despised his first post, but I enjoy his attitude in this game. Tone doesn't sound maf. He's null for me now. Lol he has df as his top town for literraly no reason. Just like he had me at the bottom even tho he was talking about 5 other players. He didnt mention df in his filter before this just like me. Knowing im fucking town and he put me at the bottom. This is just more proof to me that darth is his partner I have the opposite conclusion on that. Scum don't put their partners top town for no reason Honestly I think this is pretty WIFOM. Like everybody knows, that scum does not, so scum does, and reverse. I think there are other good arguments to believe DF to be town though. Even though the DF train of thought from SL is something I can follow, I just dont agree. Well it's true but it's an town indicator nevertheless. Very few things in mafia are absolute.
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On December 04 2016 06:12 sicklucker wrote: Maybe we should just vote out check... if hes town hes never gonna prove hes town. shapelog might. hell you will never go for this afk Now that we're almost confirmed that c8 is not fake afking with the replacement thing, let's see if he's modelled today first
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haha I love this claim. Should make the game a lot easier (= If SL is town (super likely, why would he fakeclaim at that point of the game), that's a super scummy dude out of the PoE If SL is scum, he's gonna be CC at some point; and at the very worst we have a 1v1 trade
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On December 04 2016 09:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2016 08:53 Rels wrote: haha I love this claim. Should make the game a lot easier (= If SL is town (super likely, why would he fakeclaim at that point of the game), that's a super scummy dude out of the PoE If SL is scum, he's gonna be CC at some point; and at the very worst we have a 1v1 trade Any idea who this implicates to you if SL is town? SL / Shape / C8 being my top choices for scum, I would need to re assess completely. I'm gonna wait until tomorrow to see if there is a CC or not.
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On December 04 2016 09:08 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2016 08:53 Rels wrote: haha I love this claim. Should make the game a lot easier (= If SL is town (super likely, why would he fakeclaim at that point of the game), that's a super scummy dude out of the PoE If SL is scum, he's gonna be CC at some point; and at the very worst we have a 1v1 trade I really cant follow you here??? super scummy dude? Before we went into this night there was like this broad consensus of 2 scum being between shlog, sl, onegu, cm8. Then there were certain personal favorites who were suspected by single players but I dont think there was much agreement on those. Now if we assume SL town, and considering both flips... this leaves Onegu? Not sure if this is what you are trying to say, but I really cant follow you here. And even if it is Onegu, then I still dont see how it will be easy to find the second one... I'm saying SL was my biggest scumread after Shape today and if he's confirmed town without needing to lynch him that would be great
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I'm the jailkeeper. I targeted hf n1 and I m targeting him again this night
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On December 05 2016 07:01 emperorchampion wrote: Rels wanna explain the cc? What is there to explain ?
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On December 05 2016 07:05 emperorchampion wrote: I think we leave Rels/sl since having the jk alive is pretty good, mafia has to target them at some point. If we can find the partner then the game is actually 100% over. That might be a good idea actually. If we ever kill the other scum the game is over
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On December 05 2016 07:10 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 07:08 Rels wrote:On December 05 2016 07:01 emperorchampion wrote: Rels wanna explain the cc? What is there to explain ? Why EoN, and not right now? I claimed at a time where it was impossible for scum to react to.
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On December 05 2016 07:16 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 07:11 emperorchampion wrote:On December 05 2016 07:10 mahrgell wrote:On December 05 2016 07:07 emperorchampion wrote:On December 05 2016 07:03 mahrgell wrote: Like I'm sitting here... and I'm puzzled... What are you confused about? Make up your mind if we are discussing claims or not. Discuss whatever you want. Don't hide behind walls of text though please. Okay, then I'm more inclined to believe Rels=Scum than Rels=JK. What is this claim? Why do that at EoN???? The only difference between doing that and doing it after EoN is that he was able to tell us his ultra valuable blocks in case he dies. Why on earth would he ever expect to die here? Like WHY? It ain't gonna happen. There was nothing at him pointing to be JK... Scum either shoots SL, because they believe him, or they go hunting... And then I think LS and me were the candidates... (I actually was fairly sure LS was blue... looks like I wasn't alone...) And if you really expect to die... Do you really only post those highly valuable targets??? He didn't post anything but that. I just looked at his filter again... He didn't give any proper reads that night... All he wanted to leave us are his targets? I have no valuable reads that needed saying before death, apart that SL is scum, which I claimed to incriminate him. I claimed before eon to be sure my targets were in the thread. I didn't really expect to be shot but it s always a possibility
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On December 05 2016 07:19 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:On December 05 2016 07:05 emperorchampion wrote: I think we leave Rels/sl since having the jk alive is pretty good, mafia has to target them at some point. If we can find the partner then the game is actually 100% over. That might be a good idea actually. If we ever kill the other scum the game is over If you are JK and not Scum, you are dead next night. Not if I stop their shot :p
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Alright I'm going to sleep. Before the big tt post during the night I was sure he was scum, I was targeting him actually, , but in this post he considers that SL is 100% scum, a weird conclusion if he's scum because he knows there is gonna be a cc ... So I'm not so sure anymore. Gonna reread the whole game tomorrow
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I thought about it during the night and we need to kill SL actually. That makes it so I can confirm one dude tomorrow. Catching up now
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On December 05 2016 07:43 Holyflare wrote: Rels you know mafia can change their actions in the resultion period right?
Tell me. Are you keeping this cc legitimately or are you going to rescind it? This is a 100% legitimate question because my next move is not a joke. No they can't, in the OP:
On October 17 2016 05:27 beentheredonethat wrote: [*] Night will have a silence period of 30 minutes before deadline which will be used for resolutions. Mafia has to submit actions in time. Nothing besides funny gifs is allowed in thread in that silence period. Actually you're making me doubt ... this seemed clear but it might actually not be )= "mafia has to submit actions in time", this is pretty ambiguous
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On December 05 2016 08:01 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 07:12 Rels wrote:On December 05 2016 07:10 emperorchampion wrote:On December 05 2016 07:08 Rels wrote:On December 05 2016 07:01 emperorchampion wrote: Rels wanna explain the cc? What is there to explain ? Why EoN, and not right now? I claimed at a time where it was impossible for scum to react to. this is so funny you dont even know Even scum is trolling me, I think I was wrong in my interpretation )=
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On December 05 2016 10:27 emperorchampion wrote: @ Rels: At what point do you flip from voting HF day 1, and him being your biggest scum read to thinking that he's a better choice to jail N1 than koshi? Well you just had to right my N1 posts to find out by yourself:
On December 02 2016 04:38 Rels wrote: shit I also think HF is town
On December 02 2016 04:41 Rels wrote: A big thing to use when trapping scum!HF is seeing if he tries to destroy people with pretty arguments or not. And I had this impression that he was burrying me over exactly that each time I tried to post, wasting the little time I had. But reading his filter with a calm mind he's always replying more or less logically to something. And now I really found his "LS might be scum" post townie. I disagree with it, but it was a new thought out of nowhere which can make sense. Besides I also had this thought that if HF was scum I had a shot at stopping the KP, so it seemed like a good target all around.
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HF is so clueless about the claims it really cements my townread on him
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Alright lets do this. ##Vote sicklucker
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We kill SL. During the night we have a second vote on who I try to JK (scum cant hold their shot, this one I'm sure of it) If I die we have a confirmed town
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On December 05 2016 18:07 Holyflare wrote:Just read through his filter from top to bottom. It's literally NU is suspicious but then doesn't want to push him. NU is town for 0 reasons, throw shade on people calling out NU. Calls NU town but when someone scum reads him he meekly says "yeh he's probably suspicious!" Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote: NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now. Shade throwing. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 03:03 emperorchampion wrote: Is NU a newer player? Seems to not handle the pressure well at all. Could be angry town vibes? One thing I registered: don't recall who Koshi called out for "being rude / not talking well to other townies", no mention of NU though. Guys an ass right now. These two things could be something, but I'm not sure it's the right direction at the moment.
Let's keep it going y'all! This post doesn't say anything other than dropping hat into suspicion ring while still town reading. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 03:38 emperorchampion wrote: @Koshi:
1. Rels 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 8. Checkm8 11. sicklucker 12. Tictock
Maybe only 1 of sl and c8? Waiting for c8 since I have something I'm curious about. Literally next post, no mention of NU. I don't have time for the rest. His filter is entirely nu. He's not dead over ls. His filter on nu is so "I don't want to lynch my partner-y" it hurts. ##vote emperorTicktock push from him may just be him not wanting to vote a towny that he cased off and getting suspicion his way so much safer vote. Please read this filter it's not natural in the slightest. LOL weren't you one of the dudes that gave me shit when I thought NU/EC were MvM. I had this thoughts too reading it from NU side but EC posts made me doubt, gonna find why. It was when he was back to townreading him, but then atatacked him again. This spree of posts:
On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote: I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros) And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes) And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3 Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts?
On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote: @NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad.
On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote: I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros) And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes) And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3 Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote: @NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at?
On November 30 2016 13:04 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote: I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros) And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes) And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3 Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote: @NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? I'm up to date, I was thinking of filtering SL before heading to bed (in 15-20 minutes). Who is town for you, and who is mafia for you?
On November 30 2016 14:05 emperorchampion wrote: I remain pretty unconvinced by NU's last post.
##vote: NeverUnlucky
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On December 05 2016 18:24 Holyflare wrote: You're maintaining your jk claim? Yep.
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HF how sure are you that scum CAN act during the resolution period ?
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On December 05 2016 18:30 Holyflare wrote: And explain why you didn't instantly vote sl then? Cause I was OK with someone proposition to keep us both alive so scum had to kill me during next night and SL becomes an auto lynch. But killing him makes it so I can confirm someone for sure actually so it's better.
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Going to a meeting so see you at lunch break! I'm a little lost so I'll start rereading the game, I have reasons to townread everyone apart from Onegu, but I think Onegu was spewed town by NU's second post ... I think the last scum is in EC / TT right now.
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On December 05 2016 18:32 Holyflare wrote: Wait
Lol Hahahaahaha
Is this why emperor called me confirmed town and he slipped and didn't realise/tried to cover it up?
If sl is mafia then he knows sl is fake and would have been tried to be rbd so wouldn't carry kp and the other person would carry. Since I was rbd I'm basically confirmed town? :D :D Wait waht. This seems awesome
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On December 05 2016 07:43 emperorchampion wrote: Town confirmed: 2. Holyflare
Gut town: 6. darthfoley 9. mahrgell
Possible maf: 4. Onegu 12. Tictock
1 of these is maf, 1 is jk: 1. Rels 11. sicklucker
On December 05 2016 10:26 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 10:18 darthfoley wrote:On December 05 2016 08:46 emperorchampion wrote: @ sl: who did you jk night 2? what does this information give you besides a confirmed kill tomorrow night? Very important information to my current investigations.
On December 05 2016 13:28 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 13:07 Tictock wrote: Emp what makes HF confirmed town for you? "Both" jk claim to have jailed. Doesn't make sense for him to be maf, no? OK it could make sense actually.
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On December 05 2016 19:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Public Announcement I have been asked whether actions can be changed when the silence period begins. No one can change their actions after the start of the silence period. So I was right!
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On December 05 2016 20:11 mahrgell wrote: Rels play doesn't make any sense to me if he is the JK (regardless of where the submission deadline is, which I believed to be at beginning of silence period too). Why ?
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marhgell, the probability that SL fakeclaimed at night is like 0.01%; it's low to begin with, but here he posted after the night ended and didn't rescind his claim, which is the first thing he would have done as town.
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fakeclaimed as town* at night
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On December 05 2016 20:27 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 20:17 Rels wrote:On December 05 2016 20:11 mahrgell wrote: Rels play doesn't make any sense to me if he is the JK (regardless of where the submission deadline is, which I believed to be at beginning of silence period too). Why ? I said this earlier: - there is no point in claiming before EoN. You dying would have been the ultimate freak accident. You could have claimed after EoN - i you really thought you die, those blocks were not really telling much. They are not conclusive to anything. Somehow everyone seems to believe HF was blockworthy N1... Then if he is scum, he certainly won't carry there. The N2 block somehow rules out a SL/HF team, I guess... Not sure here. - if you thought you would die... why not drop reads? ANYTHING? Saying you had nothing to say is just... meh. - your continuation on how you could confirm guys all the rest of the game again reminds me of your N2. The idea collapses the moment you really try to go that way. If you are not scum, you are dead next night unless you block scum. So you get exactly ONE chance. Thats it. And no, this is not making the game easy. Seriously, there is exactly one reason to believe you right now. And this is the lack of CC. You're really tunneled mate. p: Let's try once again : - I'm gonna cc today no matter what - Since I'm gonna cc, the best thing is to do it JUST BEFORE the end of night, because: ==> there is no cons to do it that way, since scum can't react to the cc ==> there is a pro: if for some reason I die (and, I undersatnd if you don't pbelieve it seeing my play these last two games, but I'm night killed quite often: click "Profile" for proof), my targets are in the thread
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On December 05 2016 20:29 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 20:20 Rels wrote: marhgell, the probability that SL fakeclaimed at night is like 0.01%; it's low to begin with, but here he posted after the night ended and didn't rescind his claim, which is the first thing he would have done as town. You are really making me hate you right now. If he is VT, fakeclaiming... Then for sure as hell he will not rescind his claim at day AFTER you claimed. VT fakeclaiming will rescind when there is no CC. But when there is a CC, he basically has to go with it... And somehow hope scum is confused with the number of options. This was basically my reasoning on why I was willing to drop the discussion... But well... yeah, by now even the last scum has probably figured this shit out. You're not thinking logically. You gotta read this: IF SICKLUCKER IS TOWN AND FAKECLAIMING TO DRAW A BULLET HE WILL RESCIND IF HE S COUNTERCLAIMED DURING THE DAY. Why would he not ? Why would he try to get me lynched when he KNOWS I'm the Jailkeeper ? Your reasonning doesn't make any sense
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HF I see very well why EC could be mafia, but I have a problem with this stream of posts when he previously townread NU ; I think it is a weird interaction if they're partner
On December 05 2016 18:25 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 18:07 Holyflare wrote:Just read through his filter from top to bottom. It's literally NU is suspicious but then doesn't want to push him. NU is town for 0 reasons, throw shade on people calling out NU. Calls NU town but when someone scum reads him he meekly says "yeh he's probably suspicious!" On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote: NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now. Shade throwing. On November 30 2016 03:03 emperorchampion wrote: Is NU a newer player? Seems to not handle the pressure well at all. Could be angry town vibes? One thing I registered: don't recall who Koshi called out for "being rude / not talking well to other townies", no mention of NU though. Guys an ass right now. These two things could be something, but I'm not sure it's the right direction at the moment.
Let's keep it going y'all! This post doesn't say anything other than dropping hat into suspicion ring while still town reading. On November 30 2016 03:38 emperorchampion wrote: @Koshi:
1. Rels 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 8. Checkm8 11. sicklucker 12. Tictock
Maybe only 1 of sl and c8? Waiting for c8 since I have something I'm curious about. Literally next post, no mention of NU. I don't have time for the rest. His filter is entirely nu. He's not dead over ls. His filter on nu is so "I don't want to lynch my partner-y" it hurts. ##vote emperorTicktock push from him may just be him not wanting to vote a towny that he cased off and getting suspicion his way so much safer vote. Please read this filter it's not natural in the slightest. LOL weren't you one of the dudes that gave me shit when I thought NU/EC were MvM. I had this thoughts too reading it from NU side but EC posts made me doubt, gonna find why. It was when he was back to townreading him, but then atatacked him again. This spree of posts: Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote: I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros) And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes) And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3 Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote: @NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote: I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros) And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes) And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3 Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote: @NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:04 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 13:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote: I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros) And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes) And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3 Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote: @NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? I'm up to date, I was thinking of filtering SL before heading to bed (in 15-20 minutes). Who is town for you, and who is mafia for you? Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 14:05 emperorchampion wrote: I remain pretty unconvinced by NU's last post.
##vote: NeverUnlucky
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On December 05 2016 20:58 Holyflare wrote: Can mahr be mafia? I think it's emp but the amount of stubborn bs reads that margo has said is reaching new levels. I don't know, I feel like scum would analyze the situation better. Why would he put himself in a world where SL is town fakeclaiming ? It doesn't leave him any option since SL didn't rescind. I think this is confused town.
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On November 29 2016 09:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. How so? I recognize myself in his all-over-the-place posts, and he's the townierest dude itt. Also, this is a town post, mang I can't belive this post ever comes from a Onegu partner. Koshi wasn't even asking the question to NU, it was to TT. NU forced himself into this conversation to say that Onegu was the towniest dude. This is the definition of white knighting.
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I feel like TT townreading me all game and HF all game until yesterday is weird for the tinfoil master.
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On November 29 2016 10:27 NeverUnlucky wrote: Tictock feels less interested in the game than usual. :/ At least that's what his filter makes me think.
(Also, he is found twice in the player list on page 1 while Onegu doesn't figure there) I thought that it was a super town spew at some point. But maybe I was wrong. I can actually see NU doing that to his partner TT to "scumlean" him while having an out when TT comes back
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On November 29 2016 13:03 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 09:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:46 LightningStrike wrote:On February 28 2016 03:11 LightningStrike wrote: Hey guys I here now I was busy and now I here what up? Bam this was me as scum doing that sort of thing Onegu did the quote you townread him for. Ehhhh, not quite the same vibe. Your quoted post's tone is what makes it fucking mafia. You're acting all nicey-nice with the "Hey guys" and "what up" and giving an excuse for why you weren't there with the busy part. Onegu's post is not that. I don't think mafia would have made this post this early cus they would profit from inactivity and do not care about it. Also, no, I have not read any of your games. Flagged this post as well. 1) Activity will happen whether or not mafia wants it to, therefore it's null imo. 2) LS doing this "Hey town read me for this thing you town read someone else for" reminds me of things that I've said when I'm scum. Suspicious! In this post, 1) is suspicion thrown at NU and 2) is suspicion thrown at LS correct ?
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On December 06 2016 00:07 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 20:47 Rels wrote:On December 05 2016 20:29 mahrgell wrote:On December 05 2016 20:20 Rels wrote: marhgell, the probability that SL fakeclaimed at night is like 0.01%; it's low to begin with, but here he posted after the night ended and didn't rescind his claim, which is the first thing he would have done as town. You are really making me hate you right now. If he is VT, fakeclaiming... Then for sure as hell he will not rescind his claim at day AFTER you claimed. VT fakeclaiming will rescind when there is no CC. But when there is a CC, he basically has to go with it... And somehow hope scum is confused with the number of options. This was basically my reasoning on why I was willing to drop the discussion... But well... yeah, by now even the last scum has probably figured this shit out. You're not thinking logically. You gotta read this: IF SICKLUCKER IS TOWN AND FAKECLAIMING TO DRAW A BULLET HE WILL RESCIND IF HE S COUNTERCLAIMED DURING THE DAY. Why would he not ? Why would he try to get me lynched when he KNOWS I'm the Jailkeeper ? Your reasonning doesn't make any sense When did he try to get you lynched??? Not seeing it. Actually the thread consensus was to leave you both alone. And in this atmosphere, if he believes you are both protown, he should keep his claim for maximum uncertainity on who is the real one. So again, who is not making sense here? He didnt rescind his claim when he quoted my claim -> he is putting town in a claim ear situation for no reason + I'm also a possible Lynch if people believe he's jk over me. You're the one not making sense. You might have a really defined idea in your head but listen to people who have experience: sicklucker is NOT VT. You can decode he's jk or you can decide I'm jk.
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On December 06 2016 01:03 mahrgell wrote: Hey thats great... Why are you now copying my arguments? Are you suddenly sheeping me?
So far all you ever blamed SL for was that he should not have survived (when half the thread including you propagated the idea that he may be town, but not JK) You never once mentioned his D3 behaviour. It was only me who did.
The last sentence is also pretty untrue - at least hf and I had multiple posts about SL yesterday.
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On December 06 2016 01:24 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 01:07 Rels wrote:On December 06 2016 01:03 mahrgell wrote: Hey thats great... Why are you now copying my arguments? Are you suddenly sheeping me?
So far all you ever blamed SL for was that he should not have survived (when half the thread including you propagated the idea that he may be town, but not JK) You never once mentioned his D3 behaviour. It was only me who did.
The last sentence is also pretty untrue - at least hf and I had multiple posts about SL yesterday. Not finding those. + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2016 10:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 14:35 Tictock wrote: Let's see if I can manage a filter dive. I've got an idea how I can do this but I won't be able to quote shit since I'm phone posting so bear with me a bit.
Gunna look at SL since his recent posts give me the heebies and I want to see what Shape has got for us before looking at him in depth.
A bunch of SLs posts seem like they could come from either alignment. The stuff that stands out to me is his TR of Shape because of Shapes earlier cop joke. SL made a post (#471) that indicates to me he knows it was a joke. The "I'll make mafia believe the claim and get Shape shot" bit makes me think he wasn't taking it as a real claim, and he even commented on Shapes grammar cop post. Then he goes on to say that mafia Shape never claims cop like that because he can't back out of it. Not only is it not at all true that mafia!shape would ever do that but it only makes sense if it were a real claim.
#687 - seems odd to me that SL expected himself to be lynched. Usually he has a lot of fight in him and claims he can't be lynched
#704 - feels like he is just adding shade to Gell with HF's pressure. Saying Gell isn't a newb and suggesting he might have a meta of making list posts feels off. The former suggests SL has experience with Gell but the latter is the opposite.
#705 - First mention of NU. Calls him out for pushing lynch bait LS and for calling SL scum. Kinda late to pickup the LS point so seems more of a OMGUS reaction. Kinda in line with Koshi's point about SL bussing.
#754 - straight up lie, SL never mentioned NU till after NU said stuff about him. Kinda wish I could check the timeline better but this is hard enough on a phone already.
#756 - a bit odd he says "maybe Emp" in his mafia list when he hadn't mentioned him before and had literally just agreed with Emps post where he voted NU
After that there wasn't really anything else D1. SL leaves a vote on NU, makes like 4 posts calling Onegu town for trying so hard, and that's it.
During the night SL called darth scum, didn't follow through looking for NU spew, and wants towncred for "finding scum" and "AFK voting scum". The last part would be fine expect for him basically sleeping Emp then calling him mafia in the next post.
Then suddenly today SL's posting is dramatically different and he's putting way too much stock into a really bad townread on Shape and not really evaluating Darth very well, just narrowly focusing on a few points.
TBH I could still see a lot of this coming from town!SL, but I am really starting to think he is mafia here.
On the the other hand these are all great observation. I started reading this post ready to be super critical about it but everything is fucking true - sicklucker's NU handling is fuckign weird in particular. Saying to him "you can die first", then saying to EC "yeah I can get behind a NU vote" (he's already said he's scumreading him ?) THEN calling EC maybe scum when EC main target was NU is super weird. Gonna quote it: Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 08:30 sicklucker wrote:On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote: Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. going after ls the ultimate lynchbait and getting mad about town circles. Then he just backs off it. then he attacks sicklucker on day one for no reason. he can die first so far Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 16:00 sicklucker wrote:On November 30 2016 14:05 emperorchampion wrote: I remain pretty unconvinced by NU's last post.
##vote: NeverUnlucky ya i can get behind this. his reasons for scum reading me seem super made up after I called him out for scum reading people for no reason Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 16:02 sicklucker wrote: pretty sure I cant be scum since everyone whos likely scum thinks im scum.
Darthfoley mahgr never maybe emp On December 03 2016 10:02 Rels wrote: + SL knows he's often scumread on D1, as town or scum for that matter, I dunno if he would think "all the likley scum thinks I'm scum" as town. SL can you expand on this thought too please On December 03 2016 10:54 Rels wrote:I find this TMI convincing actually, it might be a scumslip if it's confirmed that we're setup 3. SL really used the word "jailkeeped" for no reason Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 18:46 sicklucker wrote:On December 02 2016 16:36 darthfoley wrote:On December 02 2016 16:22 emperorchampion wrote:On December 02 2016 16:14 Holyflare wrote: Also, df is 100% town. There's no way I basically claim blue like 6 times and he doesn't kill me over koshi. These would have killed you, wouldn't have killed you arguments are silly. Filter padding at it's finest. Don't think this applies to my case. HF blue claimed like 5 times and I spotted it instantly. He would've been my NK 1000%. Surprised no one else seemed to catch on to this trend. (i'm aware it's wifom) On November 30 2016 16:29 Holyflare wrote: You shouldn't lynch me. On December 01 2016 19:06 Holyflare wrote: Mafia gotta kill me. Dis gonna be good. On December 02 2016 00:23 Holyflare wrote: Mafia have to shoot me. It's super obvious what I am. On December 02 2016 05:02 Holyflare wrote: You should all be town reading me. Dunno why I'm not top, pretty obvious what I am. Killing HF is a good medic dodge cuz people were sus of him and he claimed blue. I know it's WIFOM but why wouldn't you take the chance as mafia? hf is not a medic dodge... hf is a fucking amazing n1 kill and he was probably jailkeeped last night rofl. Proof that hf was jailkeeped last night? koshi died and no one else was really worth using it on. So your entire arguments are dumb because CLEARLY HF IS NOT A GOOD MEDIC DODGE. CLEARLY HE WAS THE FUCKING SAVE LAST NIGHT On December 03 2016 20:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2016 15:20 sicklucker wrote:On December 03 2016 05:58 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2016 05:53 darthfoley wrote: Still waiting on those Shapelog reads my reads are still my dat one reads since he has not really posted since... Its kind of your guys job to know it. I still think hes fucking town because of his cop stuff. Something a mafia would never do. That read still stands to this day because theres no reason to freakin change it. This doesn't make sense. This is a forced read. This amkes me think very much of Skynx' ExO read last game, where scum!Skynx just decided to townread town!ExO (exo was super scummy and was lynched D1) for bad reasons that he couldn't properly explain. The cop stuff is NAI in my opinion. And if we admit it could be townie, it's not something that should go against everything else SHape has done. On December 03 2016 20:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2016 15:31 sicklucker wrote: and rels you find it weird that I vote with someone I think is maybe scumat the time emp?? on someone im like 90% sure is scum and at the top of my list?
I didnt really even think emp was likely mafia more null I just had alot of town reads at the time out of the people who were posting. alot of people had not posted at that time .
I was town reading koshi/hf/onegu/ls/shapelog everyone else who was posting pretty much except for that person so I just through in a "maybe" instead of a fucking null category Nope. The two scummy things were your "I could get behind a NU lynch" in reaction to EC making a post on NU, when you ALREADY scumread him; and you null/scumreading EC when he made the same points than you on NU but deeper. In addition I don't believe you think people scumreading you makes you town, you know a lot of people scumread you D1 as town. On December 03 2016 20:56 Rels wrote: Another thing on SL is that he had ZERO town spree, like he usually does in 100% of his town games. When he finds that one stupid (or sometimes crazily good) thing and tunnel on it for posts and posts. Thinking on voting SL over Shape. We'll see what Shape does when he goes back. On December 03 2016 22:56 Rels wrote: That sl omgus. Explain very clearly why shape would not claim cop at the start of the game as scum and how it makes him 100% town, you don't even need to read anything else On December 03 2016 23:41 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2016 23:06 sicklucker wrote:On December 03 2016 23:05 Holyflare wrote: I'm sure I remember someone saying Shapelog has fake claimed before anyway? I personaly have not but thats not even what happened here. he tried to take a role bullit imo... poorly... Something which you did as well and I dont understand how you cant see it This doesn't make sense. You read is set in stone for an extremely weak reason and instead of seeing it hand adapting it you're defending it On December 04 2016 04:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2016 02:10 sicklucker wrote: Emp HolyFlare
huge drop
Ls Mahr onegu shapelog Ticktock checkm8??? who
Rels Darthfole
about where im at. Maybe rels was a bit omgus but fuck that guy. his read looked super forced and oputunistic
"Opportunistic" is the easiest word to use when you wanna throw fake suspicion to someone. Your shape read STILL doesn't make sense. Have you even read his filter ? He's the goddamn lynch right now and you don't think he's scum - at least you think there are 4 people scummier than him. Why ? You just admited your "he wouldn't claim cop" BS doesn't hold, why is he townier than TT C8 DF and I ? And to add to that, I find very suspicious that you wouldn't fight against a lynch you don't believe in, especially since I know you can do exactly that as town. On December 04 2016 04:28 Rels wrote: Your shape read is exactly what Skynx did last game. You just decided he was town for this reason, but your read is not evolving, you're not re evaluating or using any other posts of it - hell you don't even show that you read his filter. ----------------------------- On December 02 2016 19:50 Holyflare wrote: Player list: 3. Shapelog 8. Checkm8
This is my real list:
Town Emperor Darthfoley
Town looking but wouldn't be surprised if they're mafia Ma gurl Ticktock (i have no idea how you're here when i want to lynch you normally every game. If you're mafia I'll have a good metric of lynching you when I think you're town to follow) LightningStrike (purely for pushing correct looking stuff but tinfoil)
Null Rels (lots of reasons to town read him, lots of reasons to mafia read him) Onegu (hesitation because of hard town read on me day 1, not much content, also absent now) Sicklucker (dunno he just says words but town reads me and town reads shapelog??? Too weird)
Mafia Shapelog (His cop thing looked really mafia forced, his return is crap, no reads, mire concerned with insulting my previous game than posting read, angry at weird times, looking at things the wrong way and in ways I've never seen a town person look) Checkb8 (?????)
On December 02 2016 21:47 Holyflare wrote: We vote off Shapelog today, guaranteed.
Sicklucker needs to explain his df and shape reads too On December 03 2016 20:20 Holyflare wrote: Yeh I'd definitely lynch sl if shape wasn't blatantly burnt out mafia giving up after his last defence. On December 03 2016 22:21 Holyflare wrote: Sl is uncharacteristically angry/annoyed this game On December 03 2016 23:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2016 23:06 sicklucker wrote:On December 03 2016 23:05 Holyflare wrote: I'm sure I remember someone saying Shapelog has fake claimed before anyway? I personaly have not but thats not even what happened here. he tried to take a role bullit imo... poorly... Something which you did as well and I dont understand how you cant see it I do it every game and shape does not and has done it as mafia. Sooooooooooo. On December 03 2016 23:10 Holyflare wrote: Like the dude literally has 0 reads despite saying he's caught up and then just fucked off when he saw nobody reacted well.
If he's town you're definitely dying dude. On December 04 2016 00:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2016 23:41 sicklucker wrote: not all reads are made on meta. If shapelog does that as mafai then hes bad and should feel bad. but i doubt it This is so full of crap wtf? You just got told he does something as mafia and you're staying resolute that he's town when your only reason has gone? On December 04 2016 00:29 Holyflare wrote: Yes I just told you about it and your reply was that he's still town because of it you loon.
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On December 06 2016 01:51 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 01:19 Holyflare wrote:On December 05 2016 20:56 Holyflare wrote: Only one to claim jk at night is sl. Sl isn't dead. Mafia can't alter kill in silent period. Everyone believed sl, no reason whatsoever for him to be alive.
Sl literally said he tmid and rels caught him out.
Mafia had no reason not to nk sl unless sl is mafia. If SL is vt he claimed fake tmi because....? And then didn't die despite mafia knowing the setup is a jail keeper setup and sl showing tmi. If SL is mafia he knew the setup and TMId and then didn't die because he's mafia. It seemed way more believable if I "slipped" Theres no evidence mafia knows the setup You seem to have miss that the scum knew the setup from the moment the cop died, since it was only possible that it was setup 1 or setup 3, and that the scum setup are different between the two. SO you prepared a plan by doing a fake slip, without checking that scum couldn't know the setup. lol
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On December 06 2016 01:54 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 01:33 Rels wrote:On December 06 2016 01:24 mahrgell wrote:On December 06 2016 01:07 Rels wrote:On December 06 2016 01:03 mahrgell wrote: Hey thats great... Why are you now copying my arguments? Are you suddenly sheeping me?
So far all you ever blamed SL for was that he should not have survived (when half the thread including you propagated the idea that he may be town, but not JK) You never once mentioned his D3 behaviour. It was only me who did.
The last sentence is also pretty untrue - at least hf and I had multiple posts about SL yesterday. Not finding those. + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2016 10:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 14:35 Tictock wrote: Let's see if I can manage a filter dive. I've got an idea how I can do this but I won't be able to quote shit since I'm phone posting so bear with me a bit.
Gunna look at SL since his recent posts give me the heebies and I want to see what Shape has got for us before looking at him in depth.
A bunch of SLs posts seem like they could come from either alignment. The stuff that stands out to me is his TR of Shape because of Shapes earlier cop joke. SL made a post (#471) that indicates to me he knows it was a joke. The "I'll make mafia believe the claim and get Shape shot" bit makes me think he wasn't taking it as a real claim, and he even commented on Shapes grammar cop post. Then he goes on to say that mafia Shape never claims cop like that because he can't back out of it. Not only is it not at all true that mafia!shape would ever do that but it only makes sense if it were a real claim.
#687 - seems odd to me that SL expected himself to be lynched. Usually he has a lot of fight in him and claims he can't be lynched
#704 - feels like he is just adding shade to Gell with HF's pressure. Saying Gell isn't a newb and suggesting he might have a meta of making list posts feels off. The former suggests SL has experience with Gell but the latter is the opposite.
#705 - First mention of NU. Calls him out for pushing lynch bait LS and for calling SL scum. Kinda late to pickup the LS point so seems more of a OMGUS reaction. Kinda in line with Koshi's point about SL bussing.
#754 - straight up lie, SL never mentioned NU till after NU said stuff about him. Kinda wish I could check the timeline better but this is hard enough on a phone already.
#756 - a bit odd he says "maybe Emp" in his mafia list when he hadn't mentioned him before and had literally just agreed with Emps post where he voted NU
After that there wasn't really anything else D1. SL leaves a vote on NU, makes like 4 posts calling Onegu town for trying so hard, and that's it.
During the night SL called darth scum, didn't follow through looking for NU spew, and wants towncred for "finding scum" and "AFK voting scum". The last part would be fine expect for him basically sleeping Emp then calling him mafia in the next post.
Then suddenly today SL's posting is dramatically different and he's putting way too much stock into a really bad townread on Shape and not really evaluating Darth very well, just narrowly focusing on a few points.
TBH I could still see a lot of this coming from town!SL, but I am really starting to think he is mafia here.
On the the other hand these are all great observation. I started reading this post ready to be super critical about it but everything is fucking true - sicklucker's NU handling is fuckign weird in particular. Saying to him "you can die first", then saying to EC "yeah I can get behind a NU vote" (he's already said he's scumreading him ?) THEN calling EC maybe scum when EC main target was NU is super weird. Gonna quote it: Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 08:30 sicklucker wrote:On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote: Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. going after ls the ultimate lynchbait and getting mad about town circles. Then he just backs off it. then he attacks sicklucker on day one for no reason. he can die first so far Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 16:00 sicklucker wrote:On November 30 2016 14:05 emperorchampion wrote: I remain pretty unconvinced by NU's last post.
##vote: NeverUnlucky ya i can get behind this. his reasons for scum reading me seem super made up after I called him out for scum reading people for no reason Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 16:02 sicklucker wrote: pretty sure I cant be scum since everyone whos likely scum thinks im scum.
Darthfoley mahgr never maybe emp On December 03 2016 10:02 Rels wrote: + SL knows he's often scumread on D1, as town or scum for that matter, I dunno if he would think "all the likley scum thinks I'm scum" as town. SL can you expand on this thought too please On December 03 2016 10:54 Rels wrote:I find this TMI convincing actually, it might be a scumslip if it's confirmed that we're setup 3. SL really used the word "jailkeeped" for no reason Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 18:46 sicklucker wrote:On December 02 2016 16:36 darthfoley wrote:On December 02 2016 16:22 emperorchampion wrote:On December 02 2016 16:14 Holyflare wrote: Also, df is 100% town. There's no way I basically claim blue like 6 times and he doesn't kill me over koshi. These would have killed you, wouldn't have killed you arguments are silly. Filter padding at it's finest. Don't think this applies to my case. HF blue claimed like 5 times and I spotted it instantly. He would've been my NK 1000%. Surprised no one else seemed to catch on to this trend. (i'm aware it's wifom) On November 30 2016 16:29 Holyflare wrote: You shouldn't lynch me. On December 01 2016 19:06 Holyflare wrote: Mafia gotta kill me. Dis gonna be good. On December 02 2016 00:23 Holyflare wrote: Mafia have to shoot me. It's super obvious what I am. On December 02 2016 05:02 Holyflare wrote: You should all be town reading me. Dunno why I'm not top, pretty obvious what I am. Killing HF is a good medic dodge cuz people were sus of him and he claimed blue. I know it's WIFOM but why wouldn't you take the chance as mafia? hf is not a medic dodge... hf is a fucking amazing n1 kill and he was probably jailkeeped last night rofl. Proof that hf was jailkeeped last night? koshi died and no one else was really worth using it on. So your entire arguments are dumb because CLEARLY HF IS NOT A GOOD MEDIC DODGE. CLEARLY HE WAS THE FUCKING SAVE LAST NIGHT On December 03 2016 20:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2016 15:20 sicklucker wrote:On December 03 2016 05:58 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2016 05:53 darthfoley wrote: Still waiting on those Shapelog reads my reads are still my dat one reads since he has not really posted since... Its kind of your guys job to know it. I still think hes fucking town because of his cop stuff. Something a mafia would never do. That read still stands to this day because theres no reason to freakin change it. This doesn't make sense. This is a forced read. This amkes me think very much of Skynx' ExO read last game, where scum!Skynx just decided to townread town!ExO (exo was super scummy and was lynched D1) for bad reasons that he couldn't properly explain. The cop stuff is NAI in my opinion. And if we admit it could be townie, it's not something that should go against everything else SHape has done. On December 03 2016 20:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2016 15:31 sicklucker wrote: and rels you find it weird that I vote with someone I think is maybe scumat the time emp?? on someone im like 90% sure is scum and at the top of my list?
I didnt really even think emp was likely mafia more null I just had alot of town reads at the time out of the people who were posting. alot of people had not posted at that time .
I was town reading koshi/hf/onegu/ls/shapelog everyone else who was posting pretty much except for that person so I just through in a "maybe" instead of a fucking null category Nope. The two scummy things were your "I could get behind a NU lynch" in reaction to EC making a post on NU, when you ALREADY scumread him; and you null/scumreading EC when he made the same points than you on NU but deeper. In addition I don't believe you think people scumreading you makes you town, you know a lot of people scumread you D1 as town. On December 03 2016 20:56 Rels wrote: Another thing on SL is that he had ZERO town spree, like he usually does in 100% of his town games. When he finds that one stupid (or sometimes crazily good) thing and tunnel on it for posts and posts. Thinking on voting SL over Shape. We'll see what Shape does when he goes back. On December 03 2016 22:56 Rels wrote: That sl omgus. Explain very clearly why shape would not claim cop at the start of the game as scum and how it makes him 100% town, you don't even need to read anything else On December 03 2016 23:41 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2016 23:06 sicklucker wrote:On December 03 2016 23:05 Holyflare wrote: I'm sure I remember someone saying Shapelog has fake claimed before anyway? I personaly have not but thats not even what happened here. he tried to take a role bullit imo... poorly... Something which you did as well and I dont understand how you cant see it This doesn't make sense. You read is set in stone for an extremely weak reason and instead of seeing it hand adapting it you're defending it On December 04 2016 04:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2016 02:10 sicklucker wrote: Emp HolyFlare
huge drop
Ls Mahr onegu shapelog Ticktock checkm8??? who
Rels Darthfole
about where im at. Maybe rels was a bit omgus but fuck that guy. his read looked super forced and oputunistic
"Opportunistic" is the easiest word to use when you wanna throw fake suspicion to someone. Your shape read STILL doesn't make sense. Have you even read his filter ? He's the goddamn lynch right now and you don't think he's scum - at least you think there are 4 people scummier than him. Why ? You just admited your "he wouldn't claim cop" BS doesn't hold, why is he townier than TT C8 DF and I ? And to add to that, I find very suspicious that you wouldn't fight against a lynch you don't believe in, especially since I know you can do exactly that as town. On December 04 2016 04:28 Rels wrote: Your shape read is exactly what Skynx did last game. You just decided he was town for this reason, but your read is not evolving, you're not re evaluating or using any other posts of it - hell you don't even show that you read his filter. ----------------------------- On December 02 2016 19:50 Holyflare wrote: Player list: 3. Shapelog 8. Checkm8
This is my real list:
Town Emperor Darthfoley
Town looking but wouldn't be surprised if they're mafia Ma gurl Ticktock (i have no idea how you're here when i want to lynch you normally every game. If you're mafia I'll have a good metric of lynching you when I think you're town to follow) LightningStrike (purely for pushing correct looking stuff but tinfoil)
Null Rels (lots of reasons to town read him, lots of reasons to mafia read him) Onegu (hesitation because of hard town read on me day 1, not much content, also absent now) Sicklucker (dunno he just says words but town reads me and town reads shapelog??? Too weird)
Mafia Shapelog (His cop thing looked really mafia forced, his return is crap, no reads, mire concerned with insulting my previous game than posting read, angry at weird times, looking at things the wrong way and in ways I've never seen a town person look) Checkb8 (?????)
On December 02 2016 21:47 Holyflare wrote: We vote off Shapelog today, guaranteed.
Sicklucker needs to explain his df and shape reads too On December 03 2016 20:20 Holyflare wrote: Yeh I'd definitely lynch sl if shape wasn't blatantly burnt out mafia giving up after his last defence. On December 03 2016 22:21 Holyflare wrote: Sl is uncharacteristically angry/annoyed this game On December 03 2016 23:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2016 23:06 sicklucker wrote:On December 03 2016 23:05 Holyflare wrote: I'm sure I remember someone saying Shapelog has fake claimed before anyway? I personaly have not but thats not even what happened here. he tried to take a role bullit imo... poorly... Something which you did as well and I dont understand how you cant see it I do it every game and shape does not and has done it as mafia. Sooooooooooo. On December 03 2016 23:10 Holyflare wrote: Like the dude literally has 0 reads despite saying he's caught up and then just fucked off when he saw nobody reacted well.
If he's town you're definitely dying dude. On December 04 2016 00:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2016 23:41 sicklucker wrote: not all reads are made on meta. If shapelog does that as mafai then hes bad and should feel bad. but i doubt it This is so full of crap wtf? You just got told he does something as mafia and you're staying resolute that he's town when your only reason has gone? On December 04 2016 00:29 Holyflare wrote: Yes I just told you about it and your reply was that he's still town because of it you loon. I asked about D3 behavior. You call it BS, I ask for details, and you really send me 50 quotes with none being even posted on D3? Of course in everyones filter there are a billion posts calling SL out earlier. Like seriously? Like I feel I really should not defend SL here, because I can see him both alignments... But I wish people could read. Oh you're talking about today ? Why do you mean then by "mentionning SL D3 behaviour" ? He had only one post when you said that
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On December 06 2016 02:04 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 01:54 Onegu wrote:On December 06 2016 01:51 sicklucker wrote:On December 06 2016 01:19 Holyflare wrote:On December 05 2016 20:56 Holyflare wrote: Only one to claim jk at night is sl. Sl isn't dead. Mafia can't alter kill in silent period. Everyone believed sl, no reason whatsoever for him to be alive.
Sl literally said he tmid and rels caught him out.
Mafia had no reason not to nk sl unless sl is mafia. If SL is vt he claimed fake tmi because....? And then didn't die despite mafia knowing the setup is a jail keeper setup and sl showing tmi. If SL is mafia he knew the setup and TMId and then didn't die because he's mafia. It seemed way more believable if I "slipped" Theres no evidence mafia knows the setup I thought mafia did know the setup... you would have to ask mafia. I didnt see it in the op so so I went with the setup I already assumed that rels called me out for I thought you just said you made those slips to prepare your fakeclaim. Now you chose the setup after I called you out on the slips ?
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On December 06 2016 02:11 sicklucker wrote: Like I said at first I just assumed we were in a jailkeeper world since I didnt even bother to read the op like always. later when i realised it I used that to make the fakeclaim convning for mafia they didnt bite. which is another unfortunate event like rels play that has doomed us. I figured I could sell it with my hardon for Hf and I was the only one who made any sense to save him/
Mafia knowing the setup makes sense since they have more information but that didnt occur to me tbh. well this blows This makes no sense. You just don't "assume" we live in a jailkeeper world. This has no explanation, this is not even SETUP 1, which would be more udnerstandable. Actually there is an explanation: TMI. You knew we were in a JK world and you slipped. If you didn't read the OP, I don't know why uou assume a JK was in the game. THAT MAKES NO SENSE
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On December 06 2016 02:17 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 02:15 Rels wrote:On December 06 2016 02:11 sicklucker wrote: Like I said at first I just assumed we were in a jailkeeper world since I didnt even bother to read the op like always. later when i realised it I used that to make the fakeclaim convning for mafia they didnt bite. which is another unfortunate event like rels play that has doomed us. I figured I could sell it with my hardon for Hf and I was the only one who made any sense to save him/
Mafia knowing the setup makes sense since they have more information but that didnt occur to me tbh. well this blows This makes no sense. You just don't "assume" we live in a jailkeeper world. This has no explanation, this is not even SETUP 1, which would be more udnerstandable. Actually there is an explanation: TMI. You knew we were in a JK world and you slipped. If you didn't read the OP, I don't know why uou assume a JK was in the game. THAT MAKES NO SENSE making assumptions is literally all i do in mafia dude. your gonna be so salty when I flip vt.. Just remember when that happens it was part your fault for assuming I was mafia and not giving me a chance to recind by rescinding BEFORE THE DAY EVEN FUCKING STARTS There is a concept especially created for making a assumption you shoudln't: TMI. "IM GONNA GUESS IT IS SETUP 3 FOR NO REASON" fits this pretty well.
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On December 06 2016 02:21 sicklucker wrote: well I had to go with one right? it was 50/50 You didn't have to go with one since YOU JUST SAID YOU USED THE WORD "JAILKEEPED" BECAUSE YOU ASSUMED IT WAS SETUP 3 FOR NO REASON. You just said it was not a plan, that you created the plan later because you were scumlread and I called the "slip".
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Basically you changed versions twice already. Stop trying mate.
You're going to get lynched. You were the scummiest player alive BEFORE the fakeclaim. And the town explanation behind the fakeclaim makes no sense when the scum explanation does: you TMI slipped, then you fakeclaimed at a weird time to gain towncred and making the real JK cc since you were probably the next lynch, then now your best bet at not getting lynched is rescinding. IDK if you always thought of rescinding or not, I suppose you were waiting to see what was the best option.
And that's jsut taking into account the fakeclaim, which by itself should get you lynched. Before that you were already soooo scummy. So basically you're dead.
So STOP DEFENDING YOURSELF. Go and take the 30 hours you have and find scum if you're really the unluckiest town ever. You're not getting out of today alive.
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On December 06 2016 02:28 sicklucker wrote: I really was gonna recind tho and you beat me to it. fucking not real life not sure why you thought that was a good idea Yep and after you magically assume the correct setup with a perfectly awesome TMI slip earlier in the game that shoudl have convinced the scumteam you were the real JK, you didn't die. Right.
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On December 06 2016 03:42 Holyflare wrote: You're like a terrible robot ticktock that has to make posts that sheep people and be politically correct and clinical. There's no passion in you and absolutely no tinfoil on these claims.
I miss the old lynch on day 1 you man. ++ I think TT is the last scum
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On December 06 2016 04:25 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 04:24 Rels wrote:On December 06 2016 03:42 Holyflare wrote: You're like a terrible robot ticktock that has to make posts that sheep people and be politically correct and clinical. There's no passion in you and absolutely no tinfoil on these claims.
I miss the old lynch on day 1 you man. ++ I think TT is the last scum Why the fuck would he defend me when the vote count is 2 votes for sl and 2 votes for ticktock. wtf garbage are you spewing Cause it s so scummy it has to be town right. + I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about his reads all game. So careful, so logical. HF & Rels & marhgell & LS are all super town! Doesn't make sense for TT. The more I think about it the more I'm convinced.
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On December 06 2016 04:28 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 04:27 Rels wrote:On December 06 2016 04:25 sicklucker wrote:On December 06 2016 04:24 Rels wrote:On December 06 2016 03:42 Holyflare wrote: You're like a terrible robot ticktock that has to make posts that sheep people and be politically correct and clinical. There's no passion in you and absolutely no tinfoil on these claims.
I miss the old lynch on day 1 you man. ++ I think TT is the last scum Why the fuck would he defend me when the vote count is 2 votes for sl and 2 votes for ticktock. wtf garbage are you spewing Cause it s so scummy it has to be town right. + I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about his reads all game. So careful, so logical. HF & Rels & marhgell & LS are all super town! Doesn't make sense for TT. The more I think about it the more I'm convinced. LS is really townconfirmed. Nothing can be argued about that. Sorry, had to interrupt... Go on :D:D:D Nah, I mean his reads all game. He always went for this easiest reads possible, even when that didn't make sense. It's weird to me how TT could townread both HF and I town D1.
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On December 06 2016 04:29 mahrgell wrote: But this really reminds me, that there is still wildcard Onegu in the game... GNAAAAAAAA
And where is DF? ... Sadly both of them has shown that they are capable to just disappear as town )= I would never lynch them over EC / TT right now. But since I will confirm one tomorrow and the other will be lynched, the next day if the game isn't over you can bring them up.
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On December 06 2016 04:33 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 04:25 mahrgell wrote:On December 06 2016 04:25 sicklucker wrote:I was going to unclaim 1 minute before deadline but I was late. fucking hilliarious rels probably got the idea from me in previous games. its bad in his spot tho. so very bad prevents the fucking cc. Why would you unclaim before deadline??? WTF? Why not after???? i would claim asap before mafia can react to stop the real fucking j/j from doing somethnig stupid like counterclaiming me. oh wait... That makes no sense, if you post in such a way that I have time to refresh the thread and decide to actually not CC, scum has the time to refresh the thread and change target.
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On December 06 2016 04:37 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 01:01 Rels wrote:On December 06 2016 00:07 mahrgell wrote:On December 05 2016 20:47 Rels wrote:On December 05 2016 20:29 mahrgell wrote:On December 05 2016 20:20 Rels wrote: marhgell, the probability that SL fakeclaimed at night is like 0.01%; it's low to begin with, but here he posted after the night ended and didn't rescind his claim, which is the first thing he would have done as town. You are really making me hate you right now. If he is VT, fakeclaiming... Then for sure as hell he will not rescind his claim at day AFTER you claimed. VT fakeclaiming will rescind when there is no CC. But when there is a CC, he basically has to go with it... And somehow hope scum is confused with the number of options. This was basically my reasoning on why I was willing to drop the discussion... But well... yeah, by now even the last scum has probably figured this shit out. You're not thinking logically. You gotta read this: IF SICKLUCKER IS TOWN AND FAKECLAIMING TO DRAW A BULLET HE WILL RESCIND IF HE S COUNTERCLAIMED DURING THE DAY. Why would he not ? Why would he try to get me lynched when he KNOWS I'm the Jailkeeper ? Your reasonning doesn't make any sense When did he try to get you lynched??? Not seeing it. Actually the thread consensus was to leave you both alone. And in this atmosphere, if he believes you are both protown, he should keep his claim for maximum uncertainity on who is the real one. So again, who is not making sense here? He didnt rescind his claim when he quoted my claim -> he is putting town in a claim ear situation for no reason + I'm also a possible Lynch if people believe he's jk over me. You're the one not making sense. You might have a really defined idea in your head but listen to people who have experience: sicklucker is NOT VT. You can decode he's jk or you can decide I'm jk. What made you so sure SL was keeping his claim and or pushing you? I went back and checked, SL made one post after Daypost and it doesn't really mean anything. I could see SL not even seeing your claim or being like me and missing you sticking to your claim. I also find it odd that you so readily agreed to Emps post about leaving you and SL alive but now have 180'd on him with only one pretty throwaway post from SL. I'm not doubting your claim unless an actual CC happens, but right now there is way too much jumping to conclusions when we should use the time we have to work through things more carefully. Cause he made a post and didn't rescind his claim. I didn't turn around on the SL one post, I turn around because I slept and thought about it
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On December 06 2016 04:44 sicklucker wrote: Like rels I want to explain some mechanics to you. If im vt claiming a j/k and the real jailkeeper already claims (its unfortunate but it happens) my first reaction is not to unlcaim and tell mafia who the real one between us is. its to wait it out and see what happens. I intentionally didnt post yesterday ffs and its obvious why (im not an idiot)
But then you voted me which makes you the jailkeeper so theres no reason to keep it up. I was obvious hoping we would lynch outside of us (which would have been the right fucking play dude..) I was gonna be mad then I remembered you were scum. Stop defending yourself, you're getting lynched. Go find scum
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On November 30 2016 12:49 Tictock wrote:Well yesterday I was feeling like the people calling me uninvolved were jumping the gun given it was pretty early in the game, but at this point I have to admit I've shit the bed fairly badly on that point. Work was brutal today and I ended up picking up a shift tomorrow kus I need to make up for the months I was out of work. Which means I'm probably not going to be around for EoD (whenever that is). I've at least been able to keep up with reading the game, just not had the time to post. Gunna spend a bit of time skimming filters and throw together a list post, might be all you guys get from me.
One thing that stood out in my reading was this: Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 07:56 Koshi wrote: I think I am probably wrong on TT btw and he is just being super unimpressive. Koshi is basically lock town in my book for this, I can't think of any reason mafia would post this. I'm a super easy mislynch for mafia at this point and someone even brought up the game where I was mafia and tried to skate by with doing absolutely nothing. I'm even a terrible person to try and buddy given my lack of involvement thus far. I'm tempted to given townleans to the people voting HF for similar reasons (putting pressure on a stong player, not going for an easy lynch), but that might be taking this line of thought too far. I'm rereading the game, and this is the first of many shitty reasons to throw an easy townread.
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On December 01 2016 11:49 Tictock wrote: Rels and HF's little argument at EoD makes me town read them so hard. Not only does it just look like TvT but I can't believe either of them would pull that shit as scum when their buddy was being lynched. That's the shitty read I was remembering about. Nobody townread us both at that point, and that's a bad reason to think we're both town. That's just a very safe read towards the players he perceives as the strongest.
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And every one of his posts up to this one have been bland and uninteresting. Committing on NU just enough to be on him at EOD while pushing EC during the day, townreading the obvious peoplme to townread for lazy reasons ...
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On December 06 2016 06:35 sicklucker wrote: unfortunately im town... trust me im a super lazy scum and would be afk as fuck lol Le irony
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Onegu what about the fakeclaim ????
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On December 07 2016 06:59 Onegu wrote:Who cares. Either alignment can and either alignment can fuck things up. ????????? That doesn't make any fuckign sense. YES SICKLUCKER COULD HAVE BEEN MAYBE TOWN FOR THE FAKECLAIM ALONE BUT NOT FOR THE WAY HE REACTED LATER
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I'm jailkeeping Onegu tonioght
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On December 07 2016 07:06 Onegu wrote:Dont change your mind. Nope. Your attitude was too weird alst night, and that makes one unreadable dude out of the POE for the last two lynches.
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On December 07 2016 07:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 07:06 Onegu wrote:On December 07 2016 07:02 Rels wrote: I'm jailkeeping Onegu tonioght Dont change your mind. Nope. Your attitude was too weird alst night, and that makes one unreadable dude out of the POE for the last two lynches. by last night I meant just before the sicklucker lynch
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On December 07 2016 08:23 emperorchampion wrote: For me: Onegu -> TT What happened to the "SL / Onegu doesn't make sense" thought ?
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On December 07 2016 08:08 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 07:06 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1 Final Vote Count
- emperorchampion (2) -
Onegu, Tictock, NeverUnlucky, Onegu
- LightningStrike(0) -
Onegu
- Koshi(0) -
Onegu
- Ticktock (0) -
Koshi
- Holyflare(1) - Rels,
Koshi, darthfoley
- sicklucker(0) -
NeverUnlucky
- NeverUnlucky(6) - emperorchampion, sicklucker,
Koshi, mahrgell, Koshi, Tictock, mahrgell, darthfoley
- mahrgell(0) -
Koshi
- Rels(1) - Holyflare,
mahrgell
Not voting (3): Shapelog, LightningStrike, Checkm8
NeverUnlucky, the Framer, has been lynched.Shapelog, LightningStrike, and Checkm8 have been warned for failing to vote. Night 1 will end in at Thursday, Dec 01 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Show nested quote +On December 04 2016 07:01 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 2 Final Vote Count
- Shapelog (5): LightningStrike, Tictock, darthfoley, Holyflare, Rels
- Holyflare (0):
mahrgell
- Darthfoley (0):
sicklucker
- Sicklucker (1):
mahrgell, mahrgell
- checkm8 (2): emperorchampion, sicklucker
Not voting (3): Onegu, Shapelog, Checkm8
Shapelog, a [green]VT , has been lynched. Checkm8, a [green]VT , has been modkilled.
Onegu has been warned for failing to vote.
Night 2 has begun and will end in at Sunday, Dec 04 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Day 3 Final Vote Count
- Tictock (2): Onegu,
mahrgell, sicklucker
- sicklucker (6):Rels, Holyflare, darthfoley, Tictock, emperorchampion, mahrgell
sicklucker, the Godfather, has been lynched.
Night 3 has begun and will end in at Wednesday, Dec 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). So in my mind: Rels, HF, darthfoley = all confirmed town; Rels will JK someone tonight and be crystal clear of who he is JKing. He has said it will be Onegu. IF there is no kp, it is confirmed that Onegu is mafia. If there is still KP, it is confirmed that Onegu is town. Rels will die, leaving two confirmed town left (HF, Onegu) even if you don't believe i'm town. Which means that either TT, mahrgell or EC is mafia. We're at 6v1; Rels will JK someone, and die 5v1 with either two confirmed town (Onegu/HF) or 5v1 and we know Onegu is mafia. Mislynch + NK = 3v1 final four with still one confirmed town. Probably want to lynch in final 4 because there's a confirmed town left? Idk, that bridge can be crossed when we get to it. Especially with SL flipping Godfather, I think it's clear as cleaning soap that i'm town. I think town is in a great position I'm ready to call you and HF town. Or at least not scum over TT / EC, but that is the same since there are only 2 lynches left if Onegu is town. THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT TOWN SHOULD LOSE ALL CRITICAL THINKING AND NOT RE EVALUATE HF / DF IF THEY ARE SUPER SCUMMY. But if I had to decide right now (and assuming Onegu is conf town) I would lynch TT / EC for sure. HF has had a lot of townie posts. He had a few that makes me think he could be scum BUT there is also the fact that the KP wasn't stopped last night, when I don't think SL carried the KP. If HF is scum and the KP was carried by SL this was a stupid play that worked. The worrying thing is that killing Koshi N1 was also a stupid play that worked ... DF had so many townie posts I would place him higher than HF actually.
I will do one big post with everything I think at some point. I won't be there for end of night though, I'm in theater the whole evening tomorrow so I'll have to do it during work. )=
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I realise that saying someone have a lot of townie posts help nothing actually p: I'll reread filters and summarize what I think tomorrow
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On December 07 2016 08:40 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 08:31 Rels wrote:On December 07 2016 08:23 emperorchampion wrote: For me: Onegu -> TT What happened to the "SL / Onegu doesn't make sense" thought ? It's still there, I mean we will confirm what happens to Onegu though so it's kinda irrelevant. It is completely relevant because your alignment is in play and if you're town it is your duty to not be lynched. Why is Onegu scummier than TT in your opinion ?
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On December 07 2016 08:53 Holyflare wrote: Fuck I'm drunk what happened YOU WERE LYNCHED DONT POST HERE
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(just in case you're *that* drunk, that's a joke)
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On December 07 2016 09:06 emperorchampion wrote: Also I'm fine with people trying to lynch me because historically that's how I find scum For someone with this mindset you seem pretty unsure about TT ? Are you leaning more scum or town from his case(s ?) on you ? What's your thoughts on HF and DF ? Town apparently ? Why ?
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On December 07 2016 10:30 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 07:10 Rels wrote:On December 07 2016 07:06 Onegu wrote:On December 07 2016 07:02 Rels wrote: I'm jailkeeping Onegu tonioght Dont change your mind. Nope. Your attitude was too weird alst night, and that makes one unreadable dude out of the POE for the last two lynches. Sweet so when Rels dies I get to 1v1 Emp? Sounds good to me. Was worried it was gunna be a bit of a cluster between Me/Onegu/Emp. What do you mean ?
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On December 07 2016 10:37 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 08:12 darthfoley wrote: if it's mahrgell and my tinfoil was right i'm going to be so pleased with myself I think SL being mafia means that mafia was 100% bussing D1 which you also called N1. Another reason I think it's Emp, the prime busser. What do you mean ?
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On December 07 2016 10:47 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 10:38 Rels wrote:On December 07 2016 10:37 Tictock wrote:On December 07 2016 08:12 darthfoley wrote: if it's mahrgell and my tinfoil was right i'm going to be so pleased with myself I think SL being mafia means that mafia was 100% bussing D1 which you also called N1. Another reason I think it's Emp, the prime busser. What do you mean ? His was the first vote on NU followed by SL. Check when Emp voted NU I'm willing to bet it was well after majority opinion was against NU and he and SL decided to do the epic bus. So it's not a meta reference ? EC's vote on NU was actually after a majority opinion on NU by at least LS, marghell, Koshi and I.
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On December 07 2016 10:56 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 10:50 Rels wrote:On December 07 2016 10:47 Tictock wrote:On December 07 2016 10:38 Rels wrote:On December 07 2016 10:37 Tictock wrote:On December 07 2016 08:12 darthfoley wrote: if it's mahrgell and my tinfoil was right i'm going to be so pleased with myself I think SL being mafia means that mafia was 100% bussing D1 which you also called N1. Another reason I think it's Emp, the prime busser. What do you mean ? His was the first vote on NU followed by SL. Check when Emp voted NU I'm willing to bet it was well after majority opinion was against NU and he and SL decided to do the epic bus. So it's not a meta reference ? EC's vote on NU was actually after a majority opinion on NU by at least LS, marghell, Koshi and I. Nah I think I've played with Emp before but I recall nothing about it. All based on his posts this game baby. You played in his first two games (newbie XXI and presidential), in both you were town and he was scum
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On December 02 2016 14:35 Tictock wrote: Let's see if I can manage a filter dive. I've got an idea how I can do this but I won't be able to quote shit since I'm phone posting so bear with me a bit.
Gunna look at SL since his recent posts give me the heebies and I want to see what Shape has got for us before looking at him in depth.
A bunch of SLs posts seem like they could come from either alignment. The stuff that stands out to me is his TR of Shape because of Shapes earlier cop joke. SL made a post (#471) that indicates to me he knows it was a joke. The "I'll make mafia believe the claim and get Shape shot" bit makes me think he wasn't taking it as a real claim, and he even commented on Shapes grammar cop post. Then he goes on to say that mafia Shape never claims cop like that because he can't back out of it. Not only is it not at all true that mafia!shape would ever do that but it only makes sense if it were a real claim.
#687 - seems odd to me that SL expected himself to be lynched. Usually he has a lot of fight in him and claims he can't be lynched
#704 - feels like he is just adding shade to Gell with HF's pressure. Saying Gell isn't a newb and suggesting he might have a meta of making list posts feels off. The former suggests SL has experience with Gell but the latter is the opposite.
#705 - First mention of NU. Calls him out for pushing lynch bait LS and for calling SL scum. Kinda late to pickup the LS point so seems more of a OMGUS reaction. Kinda in line with Koshi's point about SL bussing.
#754 - straight up lie, SL never mentioned NU till after NU said stuff about him. Kinda wish I could check the timeline better but this is hard enough on a phone already.
#756 - a bit odd he says "maybe Emp" in his mafia list when he hadn't mentioned him before and had literally just agreed with Emps post where he voted NU
After that there wasn't really anything else D1. SL leaves a vote on NU, makes like 4 posts calling Onegu town for trying so hard, and that's it.
During the night SL called darth scum, didn't follow through looking for NU spew, and wants towncred for "finding scum" and "AFK voting scum". The last part would be fine expect for him basically sleeping Emp then calling him mafia in the next post.
Then suddenly today SL's posting is dramatically different and he's putting way too much stock into a really bad townread on Shape and not really evaluating Darth very well, just narrowly focusing on a few points.
TBH I could still see a lot of this coming from town!SL, but I am really starting to think he is mafia here.
I forgot how good this post was. Beautiful stuff.
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On December 03 2016 02:37 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 20:51 mahrgell wrote:before I forget though: @TT: didn't see you comment on this one Maybe missed it, but I think you commented all my other posts but this one. I just misread the setups and thought there was an RB in both 1 and 3. Also host WIFOM is why I'm guessing 3, but it doesn't really matter which setup it is. What does that even mean ?
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I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes. I will target TT because: - there is a very possibility he's scum - he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game
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On December 07 2016 23:05 Tictock wrote:Last thing before I go fight my way through Snow traffic. Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 22:30 Rels wrote: I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes. I will target TT because: - there is a very possibility he's scum - he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game While I respect both the fear that I could still be scum and the respect that I'm one of the stronger town players endgame. I know kinda preffered the JK on Onegu since then I don't have to read him based on 1 post every 12 hours. Obviously I am biased though, so do as you please Rels. I'm not gonna change. The thing that cemented that decision was that I find weird that you're not pushing for EC being jailkept. He is your 100% main scum, if I don't target him you're gonna waste tomorrow trying to lynch him; that doesn't make sense IMO. You should be happier with a EC JK than an Onegu JK. And if you're town I trust you to lead town. (=
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On December 07 2016 23:36 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 23:35 Rels wrote:On December 07 2016 23:05 Tictock wrote:Last thing before I go fight my way through Snow traffic. On December 07 2016 22:30 Rels wrote: I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes. I will target TT because: - there is a very possibility he's scum - he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game While I respect both the fear that I could still be scum and the respect that I'm one of the stronger town players endgame. I know kinda preffered the JK on Onegu since then I don't have to read him based on 1 post every 12 hours. Obviously I am biased though, so do as you please Rels. I'm not gonna change. The thing that cemented that decision was that I find weird that you're not pushing for EC being jailkept. He is your 100% main scum, if I don't target him you're gonna waste tomorrow trying to lynch him; that doesn't make sense IMO. You should be happier with a EC JK than an Onegu JK. And if you're town I trust you to lead town. (= I hate you I had a nice wot... F5ed... you wrote this all in so few lines.... Gotta be fast!
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On December 08 2016 01:59 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 01:48 darthfoley wrote: I was referencing HF more than you. I just think it's silly to use the final JK on me when everyone has has me highly town read and has for a long time. No way I play this well as scum
So much more useful to clear someone who's in the middle or is scum read. Oh, with that I can agree. Now we are all happy friends again, until one mentions "But if it was this easy, scum would have tapped out". Then we do that all again. I can't post but I'm thinking a lot about the game while working and this is exactly how my mind is doing =D loops and loops again all day.
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Well I didn't have the time to reread filters and write something ... GL HF town, hopefully game ends in 1h30!
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On December 13 2016 06:00 beentheredonethat wrote:End Game mahrgell, the Goon, has conceded.Mahrgell approached me via Skype, stating that he got (incorrectly) modconfirmed as town and does not want to win the game this way. That is why he conceded the game. Huge kudos for that to him.
First things first: D2 (or something like that), I became ill, culminating in a visit in the hospital over the weekend around the 3rd/4th. A huge thank you to Artanis for taking over the complete hosting stuff. I had my tonsils removed a few days ago and returned home just yesterday.
Also thanks to cakepie for standing by as Onegu's potential replacement, even approaching me and Artanis yesterday about himself being not needed anymore.
I have by now seen that some people posted gifs mid-game that were not part of the game. I have also realized that sicklucker at a point in the game posted a gif aimed towards Onegu although he was dead, apparently because he thought that mahrgell had conceded. I will thoroughly look into those actions.
As I am still not too healthy, I will take a step back and let you guys have some post-game discussion. whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat this is BS. Yes you shouldn't talk about host interaction in theory but nothing here warranted that concede. )= marhgell you played suuuuper well. This is why I had a fucking hard time and seeing everyone as townie; everyone WAS town. But you were 100% the towniest. Be aware though that the first scumgame is always the easiest with a style like yours! When I said you made me remember of my start, this is exactly how I won my first scumgame too without ever being suspected.
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On December 13 2016 06:43 Holyflare wrote: Also it was bull shit. Rels got modconfirmed town day 2. ?
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On December 13 2016 07:34 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2016 07:17 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2016 06:49 mahrgell wrote: I may have won, because HF somehow took that "modPM" sentence as townconfirm...
Without it... Not sure what would have happened... Maybe the same, when he would have figured why I eliminated Onegu from my poe. But there was enough time for votes to swing any way.... So no, I don't think that was a win.... And that's why it's forbidden in the rules to talk about mod related actions. Otherwise I could have explained that it was just me and rels in the thread day 2 and artanis posted rule clarifications that only rels could have asked for which confirmed him town since nobody else was around. well... And you were wrong.... It was me who asked and caused Artanis to post... lol
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On December 13 2016 07:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2016 06:32 mahrgell wrote: Anyway, grats NU, I saw you won another scumgame in the meantime... And your scumQT there looked great fun.....
And mad respect for not shitting up the thread... Thanks, man! I wish I had been as good here as I was there :3 Rels and Koshi's cases on me this game helped me tremendously improve my scum play. I read the other game that just ended and I can see that this is pretty true. WP
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On December 13 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2016 07:47 mahrgell wrote:On December 13 2016 07:44 Holyflare wrote: You asked artanis whether mafia could send a nk in the 30 minute silence period while being mafia? Yes. We scum had always assumed the silence period being binding. The rules were formulated quite clear. Only you repeatedly spouted this stuff so I wanted a clarification. yes I acual was going to unclaim at the same time rels cced me. What rels did is actually terrible for town to do If I was town fake claiming he didnt give me a chance. never do that again I might have thought more about it if you weren't scummy as fuck!
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TY Artanis and BTDT for a well hosted game. I think the setup was super OP for town though, with a cop dying N1 it might have not shown but if it hadn't happen the game could have been won simply by claims.
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On December 13 2016 19:27 Holyflare wrote: Ya thanks hosts.
I also played like complete shit this game but that's a byproduct of moving/working extreme hours. Won't happen next time.
Old timer Holyflare will return. Next game ???
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