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On May 11 2017 22:16 Holyflare wrote: Care to follow up on my post, Grack? What happened to df and vivax definitely containing mafia and you sheeping rayn? Which post do you want me to follow up on?
Definitely was hyperbole, but I do think one scum likely pushed me.
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On May 11 2017 22:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 21:19 Holyflare wrote: Well grack definitely can be. I just haven't really looked into anything. Everything he does is weird though. He says df/vivax definitely contains mafia, spends no real time talking about them and votes you instead.
He was super submissive to rayn.
He spent all that time basically trying to outline to me that your and df's points were different and he had no conclusion on me, you or df other than "people's conclusions can be different" and was just basically arguing for the sake of it.
His interactions with me are all defensive.
Underwhelming, definitely, scummy motivation, maybe? You've definitely got under his skin at least. Oh Palmar shot off three posts in a row that seemed really bad to me, like he wasn't actually evaluating anything.
The point I was making was that you were citing both Palmar and DF's points to scum read me when they were completely contradictory, which it seemed like you recognized when you said that you didn't actually agree with Palmar's argument. Trying to use both just because they share the same conclusion is just scummy imo.
Also I don't see how I am underwhelming, you stole what Rayn/I said to form a fuba town read and that was one of your only two reads. The other one is one that pretty much everyone else said.
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On May 11 2017 22:31 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 22:28 Grackaroni wrote:On May 11 2017 22:22 Holyflare wrote:On May 11 2017 21:19 Holyflare wrote: Well grack definitely can be. I just haven't really looked into anything. Everything he does is weird though. He says df/vivax definitely contains mafia, spends no real time talking about them and votes you instead.
He was super submissive to rayn.
He spent all that time basically trying to outline to me that your and df's points were different and he had no conclusion on me, you or df other than "people's conclusions can be different" and was just basically arguing for the sake of it.
His interactions with me are all defensive.
Underwhelming, definitely, scummy motivation, maybe? You've definitely got under his skin at least. Oh Palmar shot off three posts in a row that seemed really bad to me, like he wasn't actually evaluating anything. The point I was making was that you were citing both Palmar and DF's points to scum read me when they were completely contradictory, which it seemed like you recognized when you said that you didn't actually agree with Palmar's argument. Trying to use both just because they share the same conclusion is just scummy imo. Also I don't see how I am underwhelming, you stole what Rayn/I said to form a fuba town read and that was one of your only two reads. The other one is one that pretty much everyone else said. I have no qualms with being called underwhelming though lol. And this post just highlights what I'm confused about you. You're still stating it's scummy yet everyone you have wanted to lynch (vivax/df/palmar/damdred) are not me. Your posts don't match your other posts. Where is the conclusion and vote? Why have you stopped 24/7 scum reading me like normal? You might be scum.
I feel like you're one of the only one's that's actually putting time in thread to try to read me though, so even if you may be scum you're still coming off as townier than some other people.
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On May 11 2017 22:36 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 22:35 Grackaroni wrote:On May 11 2017 22:31 Holyflare wrote:On May 11 2017 22:28 Grackaroni wrote:On May 11 2017 22:22 Holyflare wrote:On May 11 2017 21:19 Holyflare wrote: Well grack definitely can be. I just haven't really looked into anything. Everything he does is weird though. He says df/vivax definitely contains mafia, spends no real time talking about them and votes you instead.
He was super submissive to rayn.
He spent all that time basically trying to outline to me that your and df's points were different and he had no conclusion on me, you or df other than "people's conclusions can be different" and was just basically arguing for the sake of it.
His interactions with me are all defensive.
Underwhelming, definitely, scummy motivation, maybe? You've definitely got under his skin at least. Oh Palmar shot off three posts in a row that seemed really bad to me, like he wasn't actually evaluating anything. The point I was making was that you were citing both Palmar and DF's points to scum read me when they were completely contradictory, which it seemed like you recognized when you said that you didn't actually agree with Palmar's argument. Trying to use both just because they share the same conclusion is just scummy imo. Also I don't see how I am underwhelming, you stole what Rayn/I said to form a fuba town read and that was one of your only two reads. The other one is one that pretty much everyone else said. I have no qualms with being called underwhelming though lol. And this post just highlights what I'm confused about you. You're still stating it's scummy yet everyone you have wanted to lynch (vivax/df/palmar/damdred) are not me. Your posts don't match your other posts. Where is the conclusion and vote? Why have you stopped 24/7 scum reading me like normal? You might be scum. I feel like you're one of the only one's that's actually putting time in thread to try to read me though, so even if you may be scum you're still coming off as townier than some other people. Why not vote him if you think he is scum? I might.
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Ok HF, here's something you have to understand about me.
I automatically focus on the people who are giving me the most shit if I feel that it is unjustified. Then afterwards I have to come back and try to focus on the people I haven't paid much attention to because I haven't noticed their shit because it hasn't been directed to me.
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These are the reasons why I'm looking at Damdred over some other coin flips.
On May 11 2017 06:34 Damdred wrote: I powered through the thread while I was up.
To start off questions
@PrisonBreak (I believe), my initial assessment of LS scum etc was a joke. My follow up post of Rayns towniness was not a joke, it came from sort of bad reasoning as he can fake it potentially as scum. But I really liked that his first post was trying to discern who you were so that (presumably) he could better read you and come to a better conclusion. I would generally see thi scome from more town than scum as scum would not want that information really to come to life. But as I said it is partially a bad reason at that point.
As to people who said Damdred can do this as scum, YES! I can, I have and I will do it as both alignments. I've always tried to shape my game where I can do whatever I want from solving the game (or trying to), giving up teammates etc as either alignment. Though I know I still have some ticks as mafia I have a hard time getting rid of. But kind of meh about DF (I believe it was) who only looked at me negatively because of it.
As for my reads here we are:
These are the people i'm ok reading town currently
LS Rayn Palmar Prison Break Skynx
Maybe town: Grack HF
I would normally want to make a call about tumble, and my initial reaction to some of his off the collar commentary I think would come from his town game rather than his scum game. But I am horrid at looking at him so i'm just kind of ignoring him currently.
I disliked DF so far, Vivax has been awkward in some of his postings so far but I am not sure that it makes him scum currently.
Fuba is someone also that I think might be worth a look into later, initial reaction was he might be town just as a gut feeling. His reasoning for following PB I felt was a bit lakluster and was something i've seen mafia do to shift the blame to the person they sheep instead of taking personal responbility for it. Also him refusing to post reads to push the game forward bothered me, or rather him thinking they wouldn't push the game forward. I still sort of see him as a big bag of blah null for now.
Currently I just kind of want to lynch DF for some below average postings for him and him picking on me :'( #1) Why did he town read Skynx? Is there something Skynx did that he found particularly townie or is he just town reading the most active people that aren't under pressure?
#2) Does he really care that DF said:
On May 10 2017 22:28 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2017 08:10 Damdred wrote: Probably right, I missed you and your witty love HF.
I kinda think Rayn is town for a bad reason that has no real basis Scum scum scummy
Or is that forced? It seems like a strange response to me considering DF's original post and I seem to remember someone making a read on Damdred based on frowny faces before.
#3 Overall the post seems pretty blah to me. There's some fluff at the top and then mostly non-conclusions with not much catching his interest.
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On May 12 2017 01:13 Palmar wrote: so we're doing end of day.
I give this a 5% chance of succeeding. Since when do we care about succeeding?
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On May 12 2017 01:37 Holyflare wrote: How long do i have? 4 1/2 hours
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On May 12 2017 02:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2017 01:24 Grackaroni wrote:On May 12 2017 01:13 Palmar wrote: so we're doing end of day.
I give this a 5% chance of succeeding. Since when do we care about succeeding? I mean if we're just going for theatrics we lynch HF Shhhhh.
Give it another two hours or so.
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On May 12 2017 05:09 Damdred wrote: Here's the thing, literally 0 interesting things were going on I. The thread while I was here. Besides grack and hf having a dick measuring contest that hf looked much more impressive in.
Sky had like four posts I liked before I posted.
Hf should never be firm town read early but enough you can get work done if you think he makes sense.
Something someone said about his and Palmer's fight made me agree and think he might be town.
Overall the posts against me are kinda meh, I'm voting df and going to be afk till after deadline I'm a grower not a show-er.
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I don't really like the DF case tbh. I don't see anything scummy in there.
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I guess it kind of looks like it's between Foley and me atm since I was the first to two.
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On May 12 2017 05:45 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2017 05:41 Grackaroni wrote: I don't really like the DF case tbh. I don't see anything scummy in there. there literally isn't a case. I was referring to the Rayn post.
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On May 12 2017 05:45 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2017 05:44 Grackaroni wrote: I guess it kind of looks like it's between Foley and me atm since I was the first to two. Compromise onto fuba? Idk the dude hasn't done anything I don't really think Fuba is scum either though.
Right now I'm thinking about Skynx/Vivax/Damdred/HF and even Rayn because he seems so eager to push through this case that seems pretty contrived to me.
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On May 12 2017 05:49 Holyflare wrote: what's happened? We're doing shennannies.
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On May 12 2017 05:49 Holyflare wrote: on who Rayn wants Foley.
Everyone else is looking at inactive people mostly.
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On May 12 2017 05:50 Holyflare wrote: the fuck still df?
On May 12 2017 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay this post broken into parts: Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 23:36 darthfoley wrote: I think HF is probably town. Or he's buddying the shit out of me. He's probably good enough to do either, but I appreciate that he saw the validity in my post on grack. I'm still waiting on a case from him why TW is the lynch. What a bad read on HF. Why would holyflare buddy him? Why is he waiting for Holyflare to make a case? Why doesn't he do shit himself? Show nested quote +Idk what to think about rayn. On one hand he feels equally "shutting up the thread and blowing up when someone insinuates he's not the best mafia player of all time," as he does when he's town. On the other, he's doing a terrible push on me that is based off of one post that actually DOES have merit and trying to discredit me for it. No, it literally does not have merit since df just fucking backed off from his scumread on Grackaroni, that literally means his post DOES NOT have merit. Regardless of his affiliation i was doing the RIGHT thing, or should have been doing, in his mind. Yet he comes up with this bullshit, Show nested quote +Like there are plenty of other question marks in my mind (LS, Damdred, Skynx, fuba to name the major ones) yet he doesn't seem to care about them at all and only goes after me What is this even?????? Why should i go after someone who is a questionmark in DF's mind?!?!!? Wtf? In addition to that i have given detailed reads on all of those people (except for Skynx for the detailed part). Nothing here makes sense at all, why is he even saying this shit? Show nested quote + which is smart if he's mafia because 1) he doesn't know I'll be active today so active rayn > inactive df and I get ML 2) I'm pretty good at not getting mislynched (only happened in the cell game) so killing me D1 is an added ML bonus. First of all how the fuck do i know if df is going to be active or not? Why would i even care? Why would that even happen since he's not inactive? WHAT IS THIS EVEN TRYING TO SAY? I am trying to lynch him because he is inactive? Way to go bro, he never even touched my case with a stick, just played around it -> then conceded that i was right (grack - since he now townreads him) -> then calls my case shit and worng and whatever when it was HIM by HIS OWN WORDS who was wrong. Show nested quote +I'm starting to feel like HF v rayn could be TvS but I'm a pussy so I'm gonna try to find mafia elsewhere before I commit to that You're not a pussy, you're scum.
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This is probably going to fail too though.
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I'm going to use DF as a Rayn check because this lynch feels like a fail to me.
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