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On June 03 2017 21:32 Prison Break wrote: Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking extremely early game, unless if he's just trying to move the game forward in which case it's not a scumtell
Tumblewoods initial response seemed forced, but the way he got to a townread after it is something I see town do when they realize a push is bad, or scum when they fear people will be onto them. But if tumblewood was scum wouldn't he realize his push was thin to say the least? Like I don't see how he has scum would make such a push just to retract it after, I don't think there was enough pressure on him to already back off from it. Based on this I conclude his change of mind was genuine not calculated, so leaning town on tumblewood despite me not liking his post initially. At least he's also trying to move the game forward which is worth something.
going to throw this out here cause I may be able to get something out of it, and it may help me make reads on people as well: what are some ways to go about catching scum, especially early game? I don't expect/want people to make an entire list because mafia will adapt, but I think a few examples or short answers will help the game move forward. I'll start off, in my experience who I think are "extremely scummy" often end up being town, and the extremely active/inactives as well (although this one isn't a golden rule), and often the people I nullread end up being scum. I think this is because scum wants to blend in and doesn't try to play as townie or as scummy as possible but somewhere in the safe middle. I think last game that would be true for myself as well.
On June 04 2017 08:48 Prison Break wrote: Voted beentheredonethat
Didn't like his initial "response" to me + his follow-up.
"shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game."
Excuse to not take responsibility for bad plays so people aren't allowed to scumread him based on "bad play"
also a lot of other excuses for no play
"I'll check this thread every now and then for the next 4-8 hours but don't expect too much"
"no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner
yes I'm going to bed now
no I'm not scum"
this is lazy play at best, but I could see it being scummy play as well. making a few pushes, laying low, mentioning it multiple times which could be overcompensating (afraid people will look into it? we're in the beginning stages of the game so I doubt this many excuses are needed)
saying he's not scum obviously isn't a solid defense either
also to clarify my stance on Fidei86, I think what he did could be scummy, and "moving the game forward" was a possible counterargument. But I'm not saying he's actually moving the game forward, it was something I was considering at the moment and wanted to give more time. Fidei86 instantly gave beentheredonethat towncreds (while multiple people were suspicious of it), which stands out, as well as beentheredonethat "attacking me" after I "attack" Fidei86. Possible scumteam?
My 2nd choice to vote right now would be Fidei86. I think both Fidei86 and beentheredonethat are good vote choices right now.
On June 05 2017 08:44 Prison Break wrote: I haven't caught up yet - didn't realize this was deadline + the thread would fill up this fast, so I don't have a list yet. I'll say some thoughts I have based on skimming through a bit:
I think HF is town
I think vivax my be scum I will have to filter him, or my initial scumreads (btdt, fidei)
I think btdt was extremely scummy so he would be my prefered lynch
No opinion on the others yet outside of my townreads I mentioned
All my mentions of Fidei are me scumreading him or wanting him dead, and outside of BTDT, I don't think I've pushed anyone else harder
That said I think BTDT could still be scum so it's not like it matters if I put him above Fidei either
also I keep getting hit by flood control, for all the people calling me out on low amount of posts (although that doesn't excuse not being caught up)
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i think you're missing the point PB. i think he is saying fidei v pb doesn't exist because it doesn't in the sense of me and grack arguing or hf and vivax arguing. scum reading sum1 isn't an x v y. hell fid didn't have enuf thread presence to be v anyone.
btdt's case doesn't say anything about you not scum reading fid either, it is about lack of follow-up on your reads. he is saying "PB says things then never does anything about it". you didn't vote on fid nor were you actively trying to get people to vote on him like "HEY LYNCH THIS FUCKER HE NEEDS TO DIE NOW!" style even though he was your 2nd scummer.
as for flood control, it is less about post count and more that you feel disconnected from the game (at least to me). it's like there's a game going on and then you randomly appear posting a wall of text that is like 30 hours old and half of it is irrelevant now, and then you disappear without much interaction.
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gotta get ready for work soon. am disappoint.
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On June 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 21:32 Prison Break wrote: Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking extremely early game, unless if he's just trying to move the game forward in which case it's not a scumtell
Tumblewoods initial response seemed forced, but the way he got to a townread after it is something I see town do when they realize a push is bad, or scum when they fear people will be onto them. But if tumblewood was scum wouldn't he realize his push was thin to say the least? Like I don't see how he has scum would make such a push just to retract it after, I don't think there was enough pressure on him to already back off from it. Based on this I conclude his change of mind was genuine not calculated, so leaning town on tumblewood despite me not liking his post initially. At least he's also trying to move the game forward which is worth something.
going to throw this out here cause I may be able to get something out of it, and it may help me make reads on people as well: what are some ways to go about catching scum, especially early game? I don't expect/want people to make an entire list because mafia will adapt, but I think a few examples or short answers will help the game move forward. I'll start off, in my experience who I think are "extremely scummy" often end up being town, and the extremely active/inactives as well (although this one isn't a golden rule), and often the people I nullread end up being scum. I think this is because scum wants to blend in and doesn't try to play as townie or as scummy as possible but somewhere in the safe middle. I think last game that would be true for myself as well. The first person PB speaks about is Fidei. Within like 2 sentences, then goes on to rant a lot about how Tumbleweed is something? Only to never pick up his points on Fidei again, but of course pressuring me once he realized ritoky was after me. He doesn't care to really push me though he's just happy to have his vote on me and doesn't care about much else. Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 02:34 Prison Break wrote: I will post a list of my reads today - I like where my vote is now (based on page 1/14, reading the rest now) he didn't Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 08:45 Prison Break wrote: Really everytime I check the thread nothing happens, and when I'm away it has 20+ pages when I come back lol. I'll see what i can do for now and the reads I won't be able to get to I will post tomorrow he did nothing (besides a votecount, wtf) Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 09:18 Prison Break wrote: LOL
I thought I was the lynch, but I got flood control'd and couldn't defend myself, I'm so glad we lynched fidei and that he rolled scum rofl
ok I will use this night to catch up and post a list he didn't Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 09:39 Prison Break wrote: I mean how many scum are there. I assume 3? one was fidei. Maybe one was AFK. So you make any conclusions on this based off literally 1 person who did or didn't fight it? It's even in the OP. Three. You should know. You played in Generic II, and you are coached, and you could've asked your coach about this, and you could've read the OP. This is a super constructed dumbtell. Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 02:08 Prison Break wrote:On June 05 2017 18:39 beentheredonethat wrote: hahahaha fidei
I would've never caught him
good job Onegu. I'll go back to my retard corner and await the mislynch :D This is suspicious and doesn't realize I tried to kill fidei and HF says I could be scum etc. - why do you think the entire scumteam is trying to kill each other? I think this is very scummy and I wonder if you realized it or just call people scum. You didn't try to kill him. In the final vote count, your vote is not on him. You also didn't push him. + Show Spoiler +On June 05 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Final Vote Count
Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood, Tubesock, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Holyflare Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86, Holyflare, ritoky, beentheredonethat, Tubesock, LightningStrike, Vivax Prison Break (2): Conversion, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Vivax beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, ritoky, Tubesock Vivax (1): Blazinghand, Holyflare, Tubesock, Blazinghand LightningStrike (1): Tumblewood, Holyflare, ritoky Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni, Tubesock, Vivax, Vivax Grackaroni (0): Blazinghand Holyflare (0): LightningStrike, Vivax, Tumblewood, LightningStrike Conversion (0): beentheredonethat
Fidei86 will be lynched.
+ Show Spoiler [Big wall of nothing] +On June 06 2017 09:15 Prison Break wrote: I'll be honest I'm not caught up so I haven't read any questions directed at me
I filtered some people that were the primary lynch targets and gave my opinion on them
No I haven't posted a list but I have given reads on at least half the players which is something
I'm sorry for not engaging as much as I'd like to, it's more because of being busy / I find it hard to read through everything ( like I could read through it quickly, but I prefer to keep looking for connections and read things thoroughly so I tend to read back and filter people while reading, some people take that as me "coming up with the right conclusions based on nothing", but I can tell you if I were mafia I would've just dropped random reads and posts every now and then. But right now I want to actually only post when I'm caught up / when I have good reads because I'm not scum this game. )
I think a lot of people are biased because of last game, and when you realize Tumblewood would've been the lynch prior to claiming, HF has a lot of suspicion, and people want me dead or are suspiciouos of me, I'd say that is the exact scumteam of last people and people should look if we're actually scum again or that it's just a bias.
Like I said my scumread on beentheredonethat is strong, if he has done anything in the last pages that I haven't read yet then I may reconsider, but, he did a lot of really scummy stuff early on which I pointed out so something really crazy would have had to happen for me to change my mind on him.
I think it's also scummy that people are saying that I can be scum while completely ignoring the Fidei86 flip. Yes I "bussed" HF last game but read the quicktopic and you'll see that:
- I asked peoples stances on bussing/hard defending, and HF clearly said he is cool with either
- Later on, he said "keep the pressure, I like the pressure, I'm not getting lynch" etc.
- He would get alive=scummed eventually anyway
- I was the roleblocker, he was vanilla
- Fidei was godfather
- HF townread me that game while I scumread him, in this game, Fidei was suspicious of me and I responded by calling him out on his behavior. Doesn't that make sense? Fidei as scum pushing a lot of people for "lurking", me calling him out and pushing for his lynch, beentheredonethat attacking me for it and saying Fidei is town. Like how does this not make sense from a me being town and fidei + possibly beentheredonethat being scum? Explain that to me please. Also explain why I would be so hesistant to post: last game I would make shit up and recklessly vote during night phases, post random reads, sometimes without explanation, etc. Right now I'm clearly trying to actually put effort in the content of what I say....rather than the presentation of it.
I'm sorry if i come off desinterested, I'm not, I just couldn't get myself to read through everything + I am busy
I'll try to get as far as I can and will drop my thoughts, I did plan on dropping a list, but for now I think beentheredonethat is scum and vivax is someone I want to look into more. And I've given a lot of townreads that I still think are town as well but I'll filter them to confirm Self-explanatory. Claims to have filtered people he doesn't like (that's basically me) and admits to not have done anything and excuses. wow. amazing! Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 11:40 Prison Break wrote: I am filtering some people and here are some
hard townreads:
Tumblewood - had him townread prior to claim, then un cc'd blue, probably alive because rb
Tubesock - wants to go for vivax/btdt with I agree with despite him saying earlier he wouldnt, or didnt know how to feel about them, which seems like town progressing his reads, 2nd vote on Fidei
Blazinghand - town, explained this earlier
LightningStrike - "I town here I ready to redeem myself for what happened last!" motived start. Called out "James" early on. Saying he needs to keep an eye on me instead of actually saying what I do is scummy gives him towncred as well. stuff such as "Also btdt's argument is pretty dumb but don't think it makes him scum necessary. It just a dumb argument I feel." shows he at least tries to consider things from multiple angels. "Anyways we do need to figure out who we lynching today since EoD is in 8 hours." tries to keep town on the right track. Voted Fidei at some point. Okay, so you have lots of town reads, fine, but why don't you then filter the others who should at least be scummy to you then, right? right? Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 13:32 Prison Break wrote: yea so based on my reads I'm not buying this claim
but I want to hear from HF + see if someone CC's (unless if grack is right on him being VT, I really suck at judging these sandbag things you guys do here rofl, where I usually play lie=die) ????? "Based on me scumreading BTDT and townrteading a bunch of others, I am not buying this claim!" ??????????
LOL just seeing this case now and it's so terrible
"The first person PB speaks about is Fidei. Within like 2 sentences, then goes on to rant a lot about how Tumbleweed is something? Only to never pick up his points on Fidei again, but of course pressuring me once he realized ritoky was after me. He doesn't care to really push me though he's just happy to have his vote on me and doesn't care about much else. "
Untrue, as I pointed out, I mentioned Fidei being a good vote choice again, and given how I went after no one other than you Fidei (and saying Vivax could maybe be scum) that day, it is clear that Fidei was my 2nd lynch of choice.
I also townread TW quickly and kept that view when he was the leading wagon, if I was scum with Fidei, why would I do that?
I did not post a list, but I did make several posts that both include 2-4 scum/town reads each, which together are a list of all players + I mentioned which I was going to look more into later on, you completley ignore this. Scummy.
"he did nothing (besides a votecount, wtf) "
I got flood controlled which I mentioned, I thought I was the lynch fwiw. If I didn't get flood controlled I would've posted, and saw the lynch was being Fidei I would've voted.
"On June 05 2017 09:39 Prison Break wrote: I mean how many scum are there. I assume 3? one was fidei. Maybe one was AFK. So you make any conclusions on this based off literally 1 person who did or didn't fight it? It's even in the OP. Three. You should know. You played in Generic II, and you are coached, and you could've asked your coach about this, and you could've read the OP. This is a super constructed dumbtell. "
What? I don't ask how many scum there are. I am going through my thought proces: 3 scum -> one AFK -> one fidei -> one fought/didn't fought. I was doing this is point out how stupid it was to come to any conclusions based off this. I'm not sure if I am allowed to discuss being coached or not but it's not relevant as I wasn't actually asking, I was explaining my thought process step for step. Which you fail to see, scummy.
"You didn't try to kill him. In the final vote count, your vote is not on him. You also didn't push him." Wrong and I showed this in my last post where I quoted this, and within the context of all my play, he was my 2nd scumtarget.
"????? "Based on me scumreading BTDT and townrteading a bunch of others, I am not buying this claim!"
?????????? " As you can see in my posts I was looked into the possibility of vivax scum and I had HF lean town. So vivax vs HF, I'm obviously not in vivax's side. What's so strange about that?
Really this case is bad and scummy and I'm going to vote you now because you're just scum
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On June 08 2017 09:52 ritoky wrote: i think you're missing the point PB. i think he is saying fidei v pb doesn't exist because it doesn't in the sense of me and grack arguing or hf and vivax arguing. scum reading sum1 isn't an x v y. hell fid didn't have enuf thread presence to be v anyone.
btdt's case doesn't say anything about you not scum reading fid either, it is about lack of follow-up on your reads. he is saying "PB says things then never does anything about it". you didn't vote on fid nor were you actively trying to get people to vote on him like "HEY LYNCH THIS FUCKER HE NEEDS TO DIE NOW!" style even though he was your 2nd scummer.
as for flood control, it is less about post count and more that you feel disconnected from the game (at least to me). it's like there's a game going on and then you randomly appear posting a wall of text that is like 30 hours old and half of it is irrelevant now, and then you disappear without much interaction.
No, BTDT is saying "Ha! new guy isn't in the thread so let me make a case on him that he can't defend against about how he went away for the day, didn't have his vote on, didn't post when he was't here, and then when he responds I'll say he only responds after I push him" which is outright stupid because he doesn't look at [i]who I scumread and townread and what the intent behind my posting is when I post[i] because if he did, it would've been clear that my #1 scumread was btdt and my #2 scumread was fidei
and no I'm not always here but are you really going to scumread me based on inactivity? but when I post I post content
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oh and he says I only post townreads not scumreads but
1. eliminating my townreads gives scumreads
2. I did post about scumreads (btdt, conversion, vivax, etc)
3. half of him is saying I'm tunneling him anyway so does he want me to post scumreads or does he want me to just not push him?
townreads are as valuable as scumreads as they come down to the same thing, esp when I townread like all players except 4-5 or so... which was my PoE, the people that could contain the scumteam
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Did beentheredonethat just leave his vote on me after giving me shit for leaving my vote on him that day? lol
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vivax flipped town, great.
I'm not scum with PB, and I'm not scum. if you really think I would risk a last minute wagon on PB by leaving my vote on him, ya sure then I'm scum. What benefit does it get me or him? Why would I trail a scum team between me/fidei/PB by leaving a vote on him and not on someone else? People have been taking note of and reading my contributions, or lack thereof, to the topic. I might as well have kept my mouth shut all of N1/D2 and that would make myself look less scummy
also if inactivity = scum you have like 5 scum this game, because D2 was basically BH/HF talking, you defending Vivax, and Vivax trying to make a defense for his play that didn't work out. Rest of it was like sub 5 posts for anyone else involved except Grack maybe. It was super scummy, my 2nd worst case scenario happened, and most likely BH/HF are going to get NK'd and we're going into D3 with almost no information and 2 mafia alive.
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anticipating another rb tonight but in case I die lynch within pb/conv tomorrow. my list still stands as a last will. it's not ordered
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Just got home and Vivax flipped town. Figured he might honestly.
On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote: You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum. Yes your vote was on Vivax at the end of the day as shown here:
On June 08 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: Day Two Final Vote Count
Vivax (7): Tubesock, Holyflare, Blazinghand, Conversion, Prison Break, ritoky, Tumblewood, Tubesock Holyflare (2): Vivax, beentheredonethat, LightningStrike ritoky (1): Grackaroni Prison Break (1): beentheredonethat Grackaroni (0): ritoky beentheredonethat (0): Prison Break Tumblewood (0): LightningStrike
Nice try on lying on that front.
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On June 08 2017 09:14 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 09:13 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote: You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum. Also one more thing: tone-wise, this quoted piece is like "hey, we all wanted it, we all needed it, so it had to happen", brushing off any guilt. But you, BH, never believed in Vivax being cop in the first place. You actively pushed for a lynch, supporting HF super heavily, yet you say you're not townreading him. That's super suspicious. Also note how HF is a total mistery to us now. Whew. Okay. I'll go to bed now, it's 2 AM in the morning here. Blabla setup speculation: if there's a vig in, PB, BH, HF are all solid targets. Maybe even me although I think my D2 should've made pretty clear that I'm town. This was a joke post. this was a joke post. I was joking Oh rip didn't see this still trying to catch up responding to some people's posts.
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On June 08 2017 09:19 Tumblewood wrote: see, this is why we don't fakeclaim as town. Ya it pretty shitty thing for Vivax to do but we can solve this game better now I think.
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On June 08 2017 12:22 LightningStrike wrote:Just got home and Vivax flipped town. Figured he might honestly. Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote: You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum. Yes your vote was on Vivax at the end of the day as shown here: Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: Day Two Final Vote Count
Vivax (7): Tubesock, Holyflare, Blazinghand, Conversion, Prison Break, ritoky, Tumblewood, Tubesock Holyflare (2): Vivax, beentheredonethat, LightningStrike ritoky (1): Grackaroni Prison Break (1): beentheredonethat Grackaroni (0): ritoky beentheredonethat (0): Prison Break Tumblewood (0): LightningStrike
Nice try on lying on that front.
Sweet mother of mercy you know you can scroll like three posts up to see me saying "Vivax is definitely scum" above the post in which I am claiming that I defended Vivax. Man the moral of the story is to never tell jokes I guess
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Caught up now btdt looked pretty townie from that lynch honestly with his reaction to the lynch and how he was like wanting to give up and shit Day 2.
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On June 08 2017 12:30 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 12:22 LightningStrike wrote:Just got home and Vivax flipped town. Figured he might honestly. On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote: You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum. Yes your vote was on Vivax at the end of the day as shown here: On June 08 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: Day Two Final Vote Count
Vivax (7): Tubesock, Holyflare, Blazinghand, Conversion, Prison Break, ritoky, Tumblewood, Tubesock Holyflare (2): Vivax, beentheredonethat, LightningStrike ritoky (1): Grackaroni Prison Break (1): beentheredonethat Grackaroni (0): ritoky beentheredonethat (0): Prison Break Tumblewood (0): LightningStrike
Nice try on lying on that front. Sweet mother of mercy you know you can scroll like three posts up to see me saying "Vivax is definitely scum" above the post in which I am claiming that I defended Vivax. Man the moral of the story is to never tell jokes I guess I was still catching up at the time and I don't read sarcasm well :\
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On June 07 2017 22:59 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 22:55 Conversion wrote:On June 07 2017 22:53 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 22:41 Conversion wrote: OK I just woke up and I'll be reading through filter's since it looks like Vivax actually posted something since the last time I read.
@BTDT Could you actually make a read on me/PB/ritoky? I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on us 3 tbh and I'm interested in being evaluated for my play so far, which hasn't been stellar because this whole claiming play just made the game unfun for me so I took a longer break.
Also where is PB? He promised to be more active and has posted nothing so far. Can I get a list of your reads so far? I'll post mine soon after this post. My filter has reads on ritoky and PB and I think even on you :O I meant in your thought experiment Also your point on me was "where am I" and here I am! Honestly I was F5'ing the thread pretty hard since my last post but nothing was happening so I went away from the thread and am catching up now. Also realized I didn't really make a lot of posts, so I guess that fits the "mafia letting town destroy themselves" so I'll try to be more active before deadline today, although from what I'm reading from the filter I still don't like Vivax's play... not sure if it's enough to autolynch him anymore but we'll see Oh in my thought experiment To be honest I'd lynch you and PB over ritoky right now
beentheredonethat going after "easy" targets: new players, lurkers, etc.
On June 08 2017 05:34 beentheredonethat wrote:Hm dunno to be honest I'd say tubesock but he was #2 to jump on Fidei so - no. hm I don't have a super clear "that guy is scum with PB" thought available, it's more like there's a range of people that could be it. That range is pretty much everyone except TW (claimed doc), Grack, LS, (HF) Hf is brackets because he was super late on fidei Grack/LS hammered fidei and I don't see scum do that leaves a rather short range of people
This is bad, "could be anyone except claimed doc" and why is HF possible but grack/LS isn't? Fidei was going to die and no vote after the first 3 or so matters
On June 07 2017 17:35 Holyflare wrote: And why am i suspicious if vivax is town? Nothing has changed.
On June 07 2017 18:01 Blazinghand wrote: like just btw can we (and i know this isn't a binding rule) maybe not threaten to quit TL Mafia forever because of what another player is doing? like jeez the community is already small enough
I support these statements
On June 08 2017 04:22 Holyflare wrote: It's all your fault.
Also tw isn't the unCCd doctor. He's mafia.
Wtf? Tw is town. Also I have no idea what you're doing like 80% of the time this game, but I can't think of mafia intent behind it either.
On June 07 2017 23:20 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 23:18 Vivax wrote:On June 07 2017 22:55 Conversion wrote:On June 07 2017 22:53 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 22:41 Conversion wrote: OK I just woke up and I'll be reading through filter's since it looks like Vivax actually posted something since the last time I read.
@BTDT Could you actually make a read on me/PB/ritoky? I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on us 3 tbh and I'm interested in being evaluated for my play so far, which hasn't been stellar because this whole claiming play just made the game unfun for me so I took a longer break.
Also where is PB? He promised to be more active and has posted nothing so far. Can I get a list of your reads so far? I'll post mine soon after this post. My filter has reads on ritoky and PB and I think even on you :O I meant in your thought experiment Also your point on me was "where am I" and here I am! Honestly I was F5'ing the thread pretty hard since my last post but nothing was happening so I went away from the thread and am catching up now. Also realized I didn't really make a lot of posts, so I guess that fits the "mafia letting town destroy themselves" so I'll try to be more active before deadline today, although from what I'm reading from the filter I still don't like Vivax's play... not sure if it's enough to autolynch him anymore but we'll see + Show Spoiler + Hi, do you want to actually make comments instead of linking GIFs? Unlike you I'm actually trying to learn how to play games in different situations and you aren't helping. Did you think that was a slip? I'm literally quoting what someone else said
Was that a bad thing to mention as town because it makes me look suspicious?
Eh I don't like this post
Anyway a few things:
- beentheredonethat is so scummy that I'm starting to become paranoid if he's actually town esp. after the vivax flip, but in a way that I have no real reason to think so, other than "well he could just be town and actually thinking all this"
- I just realized with vivax vs HF being possibly town vs town, that beentheredonethat + Conversion scumteam is open again. The only reason I had against that when I pointed it out, was vivax vs HF confusing me
- beentheredonethat if you keep tunneling me you're for sure scum at this point, I literally disproved all your "arguments" and you keep fighting me basically based on floating which is exactly what confirmed flipped scum Fidei did as a cheap way to go after people who won't actively defend themselves etc.
- I still believe my townreads but I'm willing to look into people if people provide good arguments, if not, mafia should have to be between Grack, Conversion, BTDT I think.
On June 04 2017 23:41 Grackaroni wrote: HF might be scum for still thinking Fidei is scum. It's hard to be that self-righteous as scum. I think I gave him/her an asthma attack.
I didn't like how he voted me for no reason either, don't agree with his scumread on BH,
then
I haven't looked into it but I don't think Fidei's flip will change much for you.
^ beentheredonethat, take note (quote is from Grack)
Despite this post, though, Grack then says
Also actually Prison Break looks good because I remember he had the smart reads on day 1. Ritoky was the one who shifted me more towards thinking Btdt was scum than Fidei even though they both actually had pretty bad posts.
On June 06 2017 04:58 Holyflare wrote: PB is the guy that bussed me 24/7 last game and won it for us so I have no idea why you think his meek push makes him town when you were in that game
That was a bad bus though.
This sounds incredibly stupid for me to say now but imagine that I am town when I say this. Those are the two reads that I think I should have had at that point on day 1 and I'm realizing that the reason that I shifted more towards Btdt than Fidei was because of what Ritoky had said.
Obviously I can't prove this because I didn't put him in my scum list and all I said was that he was overly town read but those were the "smart reads" for that point in time and PB had them.
Gracks flip on me and his response to HF seem townie
lol BH is actually town. It's still his fault for not making townie posts before this.
retracts his scumread (that I disagreed with)
Actually I'm pretty sure Btdt rage quit for an entire cycle in the last game he won as scum
Grack is never scum with btdt for this
So the worst thing I got on Grack was he scumread HF for saying Fidei could be scum which seemed like a defense on Fidei at the time. But I can see all his play after that making sense as town and his reads on me /BH etc develop naturally, that seems townie. He also jokes extremely freely about being scum - idk if that's a towntell but it stands out.
I don't either I think he's VT.
Perfect information or a good town play. But scum knows he's VT and wouldn't want to push that narrative (unless if HF is actually scum and vivax was faking cop vs scum rofl).
So now the only thing left is him tunneling Ritoky who I had as a townread
He didn't even try to push me on some bullshit today
Based on this I'm at beentheredonethat + Conversion again, not feeling Grack for scum, I may have to look into my townreads again just in case though.
I want beentheredonethat and conversion dead
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"- I still believe my townreads but I'm willing to look into people if people provide good arguments, if not, mafia should have to be between Grack, Conversion, BTDT I think. "
I was filtering Grack while I made that post, retract this: I dont think grack is mafia anymore
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HF why do you play so vague and seem to scumread everyone and keep bouncing all over the place? The fake claim etc. was good but I can't follow your play half the time and you just tell me to "believe" etc. Thought you were softing blue for a while but now you fake claimed + retracted that so idk.
I don't think we should ever lynch people who could be nightkilled tbh, like HF/BH/etc. seem like bad lynches for that reason alone, unless if people have a very strong scumread of course
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I don't think I'm floating, I just check in the thread about twice per day and when I do I read through 30+ pages and quote-train + give all my thoughts and post them as clearly as I can, answer any questions I get while I'm there, see what's going on etc.
Can't say I'm just coming in and bouncing again, I'm actually putting in effort when I'm here. So many people name me as a "floater" and I think that's just false. I'm actually putting in effort, I just wasn't here all the time ( I work late shifts etc. - can't always post, and it's like I can read 20-30 pages on mobile phone in a lunch break either, I need time to process everything or else I'd just post useless fluff ).
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EBWOP: "and it's not like I can read 20-30 pages..."
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