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Blue shouldn't out till the day after we lynch Ritoky and night passes.
Grack how does that not narrow our pool by a lot?
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*Turns out you can't post a post greater than 100,000 characters. Pt 1 of 3ish.
Over the next 96 hours or so I'm going to be compiling what I can of the non-confirmed people. I think the rest will be much less detailed, this took way too long to get all the quotes in. I'll be doing about 1 per real life day for the day after ritoky's lynch.
beentheredonethat
The "towny" things that btdt has done is basically showed emotional rage and threatening to quit, and staying in a tunnel on basically 1 person all game. Neither make him town. I think his rage bit is set up and fake. He nitpicks Conversion for typing "b/c" and HF rightfully calls it ridiculous. Then btdt antagonizes a bit more (scumflare), and claims that people are calling him dumb/bad. When it wasn't till much much later. 400 or so posts later Onegu says he read the dumbest thing ever on TL Mafia and that was the "b/c" scumread. But btdt was already working himself up. His flip flop on Ritoky really looks like a partner who is mad that they got some suspicion. I'm still looking for actual reasons why he scumread Ritoky early on. It looks solely OMGUS and it's weak too.
Seeing how btdt was a "cop check" it's so easy to see this world where they did this on purpose too. Ritoky could drop talking about btdt and later explain it, and btdt could just remain focused on killing the newbies.
His scumread depth extends as deep as OMGUS and nitpicking. Oh, and Prison Break is "calm". Which is funny since he's playing the out of control emotion card so hard. btdt I don't think you're bad at all. I'd say you're better player than I am, but this game you have pretty good chances of flipping mafia.
btdt's votes: Day 1 = Conversion, Tumblewood(sheeped Ritoky he says page 3, 7th post) Day 2 = Holyflare, Prison Break Day 3 = Tumblewood
His sheep of Ritoky makes no sense at all. Ritoky is town because Rit told btdt to talk about someone other than btdt or Conversion? That's enough to sheep someone for? What?
Anyway, it's late. The rest is basically a rundown of btdt's filter for easier access to fact check. I will do a couple others in the coming days but likely a more truncated version of this one. I think btdt has good odds of flipping scum. I will check the others first though.
Day 1 Page 1 (Not all post) + Show Spoiler [towns TW&TS; defends Grack] +On June 03 2017 23:21 beentheredonethat wrote:Tumblewood missing Tubesock's joke in disformation fashion, full frontal. I rate that as a towny thing. The joke itself is kinda NAI, too, but then again, why would scum start to push ahead a game when they can just rely on a lackluster game start with the EU people still asleep? I feel like Tubesock is town here, too. Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 10:42 Prison Break wrote: RNG votes are cool, an RNG lynch seems horrible, doesn't give any information and turns the game into auto + there's no way to actually check if it's random and you don't know if the person determining the "random" factor is town or scum either This post feels super weird. First of all, you're here as a newbie, you're not supposed to judge if something's "cool" or not, right? The content of your post is supercorrect yet super obvious, so you do not add any value at all to the discussion. Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 16:15 Vivax wrote: Early reads:
Tube town for pushing game forward and being proactive. TW town for lashing out at something he didn't like and avoiding his scum play lazy buddying. It looked overly emotional to me but he claims it wasn't.
Grack scum for being lazy, passive and kind of just reacting to things around him without attempting to reach a satisfactory conclusion or looking like he wanted to. Neither shitpost-y grack nor tryhard-y grack. Just bore-y grack.
Rest null. I do agree with this post. Except I wouldn't put Grack on the scum pile yet because in Generic II, he played like this all game and was town. Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 21:31 Conversion wrote: Hi all!
I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late! That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? + Show Spoiler [PB is wordy] +On June 03 2017 23:25 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 21:32 Prison Break wrote: Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking extremely early game, unless if he's just trying to move the game forward in which case it's not a scumtell
Tumblewoods initial response seemed forced, but the way he got to a townread after it is something I see town do when they realize a push is bad, or scum when they fear people will be onto them. But if tumblewood was scum wouldn't he realize his push was thin to say the least? Like I don't see how he has scum would make such a push just to retract it after, I don't think there was enough pressure on him to already back off from it. Based on this I conclude his change of mind was genuine not calculated, so leaning town on tumblewood despite me not liking his post initially. At least he's also trying to move the game forward which is worth something.
going to throw this out here cause I may be able to get something out of it, and it may help me make reads on people as well: what are some ways to go about catching scum, especially early game? I don't expect/want people to make an entire list because mafia will adapt, but I think a few examples or short answers will help the game move forward. I'll start off, in my experience who I think are "extremely scummy" often end up being town, and the extremely active/inactives as well (although this one isn't a golden rule), and often the people I nullread end up being scum. I think this is because scum wants to blend in and doesn't try to play as townie or as scummy as possible but somewhere in the safe middle. I think last game that would be true for myself as well. This is weird, again. First thing: Hard statement. "Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking". Second thing: feels a bit wishy-washy but it also makes sense - then again, it's a lenghty version of "I don't think scum would do that so he must be town". Third thing: super irrelevant things. This is not a discussion about "how to play mafia". This is an actual game of mafia. PB is making a lot of words about not very much. + Show Spoiler [4 nonreads] +On June 03 2017 23:26 beentheredonethat wrote: I'll check this thread every now and then for the next 4-8 hours but don't expect too much On June 03 2017 23:56 beentheredonethat wrote: My motive is that I want to point out things I find to be weird. My problem is that I cannot judge right now if the things I find weird are scum or town indicative. Having read your posts in Generic II, I think it's rather easy to put you on the scum pile. On June 03 2017 23:56 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm really interested in finding out what others think about the points I mentioned. On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote: shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. On June 04 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote: no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner
yes I'm going to bed now
no I'm not scum + Show Spoiler [Towns LS] +On June 04 2017 23:03 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 00:13 Holyflare wrote: I don't think pb's posts are anywhere near the same and he's asking for help how to play. Your post is way too over the mark. Hm okay. I like that point of view because you've been scum with him in generic II, so you're quite capable of judging it imho. I rate the "LS votes HF" thing townish for LS. ritoky is super investing into the HF filter quoted by LS which is a super town tell IMHO, I wouldn't put in that effort if I was scum. But I do know I'm lazy so.. meh, maybe ritoky isn't. But that plus the fact that ritoky fearlessly pushes around people (me), keeps on adding value etc, he's on the town pile. Towns but doesn't town Ritoky + Show Spoiler [Not "pushing" Conversion] +On June 04 2017 23:08 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:32 Conversion wrote:On June 03 2017 21:31 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 03 2017 21:31 Conversion wrote: Hi all!
I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late! That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? I'm actually working today and was going to catch up later in the day, hence I said that generally it's a hectic weekend. Also, I understand that your timezone doesn't match up with the start of the game, but what are you going to get by pushing me, who is not experienced at all at Mafia, and making me post more? What about the other half of the thread that isn't making any sort of post that you can push for more information as well? It feels counterproductive to me (although I can see the flip side of the argument of letting me lurk lets me fly under the radar if I am scum by playing the newbie card, but I would assume veteran players can pressure me into slipping later on in the game if I were) For me it seems like unnecessary posting just clutters up a lot of the points or distractions, being made here, and I'd rather spend a good chunk of the small amount of time I do have in my current situations understanding how Mafia games generally go and understanding when to push for points or make good posts. TL;DR real life things outside of my control has coincided with the start time of this game-- does not mean I am trying to be inactive to fly under the radar and lurk. Well I'm not exactly pushing you. It's more like it feels weird that you say "hey, I'm here" and then you leave again. That's just not helping. If you feel like helping, then at least make people ask you questions. "What do you think about the exchange of HF/TW?" "What do is your stance on Vivax?" this is something that helps making yourself more readable. You didn't especially invite people to ask those questions, on the contrary. You're saying "hey guys I'm somewhat playing" so everyone expects you to do things; except you're not doing things so boom, people even start scumreading you. "What about the others in here" is also not the greatest of things to say. There's no real reason for me to look into anyone right now as I didn't find too much that caught my attention as "super suspicious" (except for the PB thing, ofc), but somehow your "hi bras" post caught my attention. So, no, it's not "clutter" or "unproductive". On the contrary - my slight poke triggered a big "oh noes" post which contains a lot of speculation and "do not look at me". I'm totally fine with people looking into me. I'm town, after all, and I got nothing to hide, I don't have any restrictions in who I'm pushing etc. + Show Spoiler [ID Irony PB wishywashy] +On June 04 2017 23:17 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:53 ritoky wrote: the person i think is most mafia right now is probably BTDT. i think his reads are cheap and hollow.
he defends TW for missing a joke "full frontal" (w/e the shit that means); when from my experience lacking a sense of humor is more mafia indicative than town.
he defends grack from vivax because of last game? he doesn't disagree with vivax that what grack is doing isn't more scum indicative, he just says "don't call him mafia cuz he said terrible things last game too". read as mafia trying to pocket/protect weak town a bit.
he prods the new player, which is easy for anyone to do.
he calls out PB for sounding wishy-washy....but that makes no sense to me. he has a read on TW and grack from previous games, but not on PB. in the previous game PB was incredibly definitive and made tons of sense pretty much all game long. in this game PB sounds more unsure and makes less sense. it makes me think PB is more likely town, so why does PB sounding dissimilar to last game make him think PB is the same alignment as last game?
dunno....pretty much don't like anything of what he has posted. "Lacking a sense of humor" and "not identifying the irony" are completely different things. The first thing is the absence of the capability to laugh about something. Like "Hey, wow, I don't think it's funny that you make an ironic statement about the number of posts in this game". The second thing is "What the fuck are you talking about? There haven't been many posts in this game, why do you say there were many posts in this game?!" The second thing is exactly what happened. TW missed the irony. He simply "didn't get it". He did not find it "not humourous", he missed the joke. That is NAI at best. If you have your judgment there from "experience", then please point me to some games where you have made those experiences in. You've shown already you're willing to dig filters from other games, so go ahead. Yes, I have defended Grack and your interpretation of that is entirely possible. Not much to say against that. But it's of course possible that you interpret it that way because you want to scumread me. It's also entirely possible that I simply said this to make Vivax aware of something - especially since Grack was in LYLO in generic II and half the obs QT was sure he was scum. So much to that . What does "prods the new player" mean? As you might've realized, I'm not a native speaker. PBs reads at that point are wishy-washy, ritoky, and if you call that a solid read, then you're misrepresenting things. If there are more questions towards me coming from that case, feel free to ask, I'm here. + Show Spoiler [Rit pissed cause bad, BH RNG fishy] +On June 04 2017 23:18 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:56 ritoky wrote: also the "i am calling things weird, but not alignment indicative......YET!" post pisses me off. your whole case feels like you're pissed off over me being bad instead of having solid reasons for me being scum. Take a step back and reconsider? On June 04 2017 23:20 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 04:55 Blazinghand wrote:On June 04 2017 04:50 LightningStrike wrote: I wonder where Vivax is because I figured he be around atm :\ Clearly my RNG was, as always, 100% correct here i'll prove it ##Vote Vivax This is super fishy + Show Spoiler [<3 TS & Grack? Weird Conv Post] +On June 04 2017 23:26 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 06:41 Tubesock wrote:On June 04 2017 06:35 Grackaroni wrote: I'm about to go to dinner but I can go into a bit of detail later tonight.
People I'm liking: Ritoky Prison Break LightningStrike Conversion. (This one will seem weird. But I liked the tone of his post)
People I'm disliking:
Btdt Blazinghand (from experience with Blazinghand)
The rest haven't interested me too much. And I think there's been way too much focus on what happened between Tubesock and Tumblewood when neither of their posts were too interesting to me. What don't you like about btdt? Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 22:26 Grackaroni wrote:On June 03 2017 23:21 beentheredonethat wrote:Tumblewood missing Tubesock's joke in disformation fashion, full frontal. I rate that as a towny thing. The joke itself is kinda NAI, too, but then again, why would scum start to push ahead a game when they can just rely on a lackluster game start with the EU people still asleep? I feel like Tubesock is town here, too. On June 03 2017 10:42 Prison Break wrote: RNG votes are cool, an RNG lynch seems horrible, doesn't give any information and turns the game into auto + there's no way to actually check if it's random and you don't know if the person determining the "random" factor is town or scum either This post feels super weird. First of all, you're here as a newbie, you're not supposed to judge if something's "cool" or not, right? The content of your post is supercorrect yet super obvious, so you do not add any value at all to the discussion. On June 03 2017 16:15 Vivax wrote: Early reads:
Tube town for pushing game forward and being proactive. TW town for lashing out at something he didn't like and avoiding his scum play lazy buddying. It looked overly emotional to me but he claims it wasn't.
Grack scum for being lazy, passive and kind of just reacting to things around him without attempting to reach a satisfactory conclusion or looking like he wanted to. Neither shitpost-y grack nor tryhard-y grack. Just bore-y grack.
Rest null. I do agree with this post. Except I wouldn't put Grack on the scum pile yet because in Generic II, he played like this all game and was town. On June 03 2017 21:31 Conversion wrote: Hi all!
I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late! That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? In the second line he tags one of the most generic posts possible as "super weird" I also didn't like that he goes out of his way to quote Vivax to say that he agrees with something that he had just said at the top of his post. Nagging someone to contribute at the end adds to the perception that he's trying to fluff up contributions. Plus I generally find pestering people to post annoying. Also he called me a baddie.It actually wasn't as bad of a post as I thought though because his whole schtick in the next post is that PB is making fluff posts, which is a fair argument. That may be what he meant by super weird in the second line. <3 On a more serious note though, I like your thought process quite a lot. It feels genuine. On June 04 2017 23:29 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:38 Conversion wrote:On June 04 2017 06:30 Fidei86 wrote: @ritoky I talked myself around on this a bit. Literally every game I've played with LS he's been inactive, with bad meta reads and links to filters. And every time he has been town. BH makes a good point that you have to try and work out if something is scummy for the person in question, and for LS the stuff that HF pinged out is null. LS' OMGUS drive against HF actually makes me think LS might be town - by reason of the fact that I don't know if LS as Mafia starts pushing HF based purely on OMGUS, who I presume is one of the most experienced players in the game.
HF - his reads are thin and I think his LS read is wrong in particular. He has also kept pushing the TW read long after everyone else had sort of agreed and moved on. I think he probably is at a wedding tho, so his style makes sense in that context. I think it's a null-leaning slightly scummy read, but I definitely wouldn't lynch into him at the moment.
Apart from the actual AFKers, the two people I'm most on at the moment are TW and Conversation, but for different reasons. We've all pinged out his weird read progression on TS earlier, but then when he finally comes back he comes in and gives two lazy-ass reads on me and ritoky (and yes, I know D1 association reads are garbage, but if one of those flips red later the other could be with them). And Conversation thread enters, leaves for almost a day, then comes back in and posts a huge WoT which basically just says nothing about the game at all. It basically flashes "I'm here and I don't care about the game", which is scumtell 101. In a way it's almost too flagrant, but I'm definitely not willing to give the benefit of the doubt at this stage. Can you explain how I am showing disinterest in the game? I meant to say that the general lack of posting and effort is due to personal reasons, and understood that from a mechanical POV that it could be scummy. I don't understand where the translation suddenly became "I don't care about this game." when I've been actually reading the thread carefully. I'd like an explanation so I can understand your scumtell 101 derived from my post. One more super weird post that doesn't really add much. I might get tunneled and be over-"whatthefucked" by a newbie. But what if not?
Page 2 + Show Spoiler [whoaX3 Conv is wordy, "whatthehe…] +On June 04 2017 23:32 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:38 Conversion wrote:On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote: shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. Could you expand upon your read of why I make you feel weird about my alignment? I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand how you think instead of what you and Fidei are doing, which is calling me weird or "scumtell 101" without actually expanding upon it. It feels rather off to me that people would let inactives pass, but rather unconstructed arguments based on feelings (you) can pass as constructive posts. "I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand" whoawhoawhoa, so many words for not really much. What is hard to understand about "hey, you said you're here but you didn't do anything, so why say that you're here in the first place"? On June 04 2017 23:33 beentheredonethat wrote: My "whattheheck" feeling about Conversion keeps growing and growing + Show Spoiler [nitpicks phone vs pc posting] +On June 04 2017 23:35 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:43 Conversion wrote: Aside from having sort of suspicious feelings on how quickly btdt is basing his reads on feelings (he's sleeping now iirc so I can wait on that) and then not explaining his case by citing he's a bad player, I think I'd have to read more when I'm not at a phone to make better reads.
I'd also like to give Fidei the benefit of the doubt b/c I was cited in the past as acting pretty scummy here when I was floundering about from inactivity and lack of confidence. I would rather have on the board some confidence and a deconstruction of my post from Fidei to support your scumtell so you can push it harder to let me argue and refine your read on me. 1. You're on a phone 2. You're typing super long sentences with correct spelling and punctuation. 3. You go out of your way to even type "b/c" which on mobile should be harder to type then "because" You're either overly dedicated to correct spelling, punctuation, wording and what not - or you weren't typing from mobile and you're making excuses. + Show Spoiler +On June 04 2017 23:37 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:46 Conversion wrote:On June 04 2017 08:42 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2017 08:38 Conversion wrote:On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote: shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. Could you expand upon your read of why I make you feel weird about my alignment? I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand how you think instead of what you and Fidei are doing, which is calling me weird or "scumtell 101" without actually expanding upon it. It feels rather off to me that people would let inactives pass, but rather unconstructed arguments based on feelings (you) can pass as constructive posts. don't worry about them. tell me who you think is town or mafia. re: post above I'm glad that both Vivax and Grack read me slightly as town, but I think I want to read more into their interaction and presence on the board before making definite assessments. I think Tubesock is pretty dodgy-- he opened up lightly with some jokey posting, but has no real good presence on the game right now. I'm surprised people are letting him fly under the radar when he's asking other people who they think are scum/what they're reads are but not really giving any information for himself Why do you mention the people that do townread you when you're asked the opposite thing? Why is Tubesock dodgy and why do you not scumread me although you said you'd almost do so in the posts just before? Asks Conversion why he answered with town reads, Why is Tube dodgy and btdt not scum for same thing? + Show Spoiler [HF U lazy bum; I'm bad 2017…] +On June 04 2017 23:38 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 23:36 Holyflare wrote: I don't think anything you're saying about him makes the slightest bit of sense. Sure, he's verbose ans trying to understand why you scum read him for being afk but why does that make him mafia?
I feel like you're dodging the tw thing, the fidei blatantly having a bull shit list thing and everything else to chase not looking scummy newbie guy. I'm reading up the pages I didn't read while I'm cooking. If you want to put me onto something, then quote it and ask me about it you lazy bum On June 04 2017 23:39 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:51 Conversion wrote: I agree with PB above in btdt-- the first non newbie game I played a lot of vets gave me a lot of shit for making my excuses lack of presence by playing the newbie card. I think it's okay if you are a bad player or a newbie, but I think it's worse for the town environment by throwing your arms up and saying you're a bad player instead of trying to be the best town player you can ability wise I'm not a vet I'm a bad player, I already got nomination for 2017's worst play Attacks HF first. HF just said his phone point was ridiculous. + Show Spoiler [lied typer; Rit town, 1gu town secret] +On June 04 2017 23:39 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 23:38 Holyflare wrote: I play 100% of the time on my phone nowadays. It's not that difficult to do, especially with autocorrect and swiftkey remembering my most used words. If he types b/c a lot then that would be easy to do.
Regardless you're trying to make an absolutely ridiculous point that he's lying about being on a phone but to what end does he need to do that? I already lied about phone posting when I was scum so why wouldn't he do it? I used it as an excuse to not post what I think in full lenght On June 04 2017 23:41 beentheredonethat wrote: stuck on page 11, cooking is done.
ritoky town hf dunno, can be both, if alive >D3, lynch with fire etc
I don't care about pretty much everyone else, can be lynched
except Onegu, for some super weird reason I think Onegu's town but I'm not gonna share this reason
+ Show Spoiler [not only here for shit, fine with dumb] +On June 04 2017 23:43 beentheredonethat wrote: ok. If you're interested in my opinion about something and not only here to give me some shit, feel free to ask me whatever you want. I'll read up pages 11-this once I've eaten.
On June 05 2017 01:32 beentheredonethat wrote:so everyone's fine with sitting back and calling me dumb ok let me know if there's something interesting at any point Except if you read starting from here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi?page=17#333 no one called him dumb. The closest I guess would be HF saying his phone typing point was ridiculous. Onegu says he read the dumbest thing ever but not till post 712. + Show Spoiler [PB cheap &stupid; let happen] +On June 05 2017 01:35 beentheredonethat wrote: ahahah these wagons
mind my words: PB still voting me is so cheap and stupid. if he keeps coasting, hedging and overexplaining commonly known things, he should be lynched with fire
it's not like I care though since I am bad x) sooooo yeah On June 05 2017 01:35 beentheredonethat wrote: Being VT is so super boring -.- On June 05 2017 01:35 beentheredonethat wrote: so yeah I'll just sit here and let this game happen. maybe I'll get some free towncred from that because why not. + Show Spoiler [suck as town; Rit town] +On June 05 2017 04:06 beentheredonethat wrote:im super good as scum i super suck as town story of my life On June 05 2017 04:20 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 04:07 ritoky wrote:On June 05 2017 04:06 beentheredonethat wrote:im super good as scum i super suck as town story of my life cool, talk about people not named BTDT and conversion. go. you're town + Show Spoiler [HF towns bt? PB scum soft calm] +On June 05 2017 04:21 beentheredonethat wrote: HF doesn't think my tunnel is genuine but it doesn't seem to be enough for him to push me so I assume he's townreading me? On June 05 2017 04:22 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 04:20 Vivax wrote:On June 05 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:On June 05 2017 04:08 Vivax wrote:On June 04 2017 09:43 Prison Break wrote:On June 04 2017 09:06 Holyflare wrote: Lynch Tumblewood. Tumblewood: "I get the sense that we have a lot of townies running around and accusing other townies what if we lynched blazinghand I don't have a real reason he's scum but the rest of the game makes a lot more sense if he is" Holyflare, do you think Tumblewood is defending possible teammates here (aka someone who is getting pressure right now that he's trying to defuse)? I think Tumblewood make a bad push, but his response after realizing it was joking makes sense, including the "fuck". Town doesn't want to be wrong and frustration can lead to moments where you'd say "fuck". If he was mafia would there be a reason for him to say that? Not what to think on the push on blazinghand. I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide.All things considered I see you vs tumblewood being possible town vs town. My townread on you is based on the fact I can at least understand your push on tumblewood (since I considered it as well), and your townread on me (I think scum could've used town paranoia of me being scum slipping through last game to push me, you defusing this immediately gives towncred), I also like how HF called BTDT's post bad. HF seems tryhard, I wonder if he as scum would be this tryhard esp after last game, so based on that I'm leaning his as town right now. Btw this post is bad. Assumption that Grack made that play as town and explain why it doesn't come from scum -> Then end up with no conclusion on Grack. Also lots of over-explaining. This post you quote is actually an amazingly good post that surmises why being caught out in a lie doesn't necessarily make someone scum and is in fact relating to Blazinghand's alignment and not Grack's like you purport it to. Yes he's basically saying he doesn't believe a word of what BH calls Grack scum for yet concludes that BH is town and Grack is null, with a lot of fluff on top. I'm super fine with lynching PB, this guy smells like scum. The overall tone of his post is so super soft, so not-pushy, so calm, so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz really lynch pb + Show Spoiler [Unholy/scumFlare & lynch PB] +On June 05 2017 04:27 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 03:39 Holyflare wrote: Why not BTDT who scum reads exclusively newbies and refuses to talk about the rest of the people in the game? Whose current push is calling a guy a liar for phone posting because he did it once in a game. But the problem is he's been called out on it and the guy he's pushing looks towny. He pushed PB similarly and instantly dropped it because I said it was mediocre.
Weird patterns. Wait wait wait you misrepresenting Unholycandle. 1st scumreading exclusively newbies is one thing but the game is to be continued for some time, right? not sure why it should be bad if I coincidentally start with newbies 2nd "refusing to talk about the rest of the people in the game" wait what again what is this this is plain wrong 3rd yes that's my super push for me it makes perfect sense. whats wrong on calling out someone for something that I have done as scum before? holymoly should I not do this? should I rather shut up and like, say nothing? lurk? it's at least something people cast start working with you little nut 4th i didn't drop anything about PB im totes fine with lynching that guy you're misrepresenting me in 4 points that's just super bad scummycandle Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 03:48 Vivax wrote:On June 05 2017 03:39 Holyflare wrote: Why not BTDT who scum reads exclusively newbies and refuses to talk about the rest of the people in the game? Whose current push is calling a guy a liar for phone posting because he did it once in a game. But the problem is he's been called out on it and the guy he's pushing looks towny. He pushed PB similarly and instantly dropped it because I said it was mediocre.
Weird patterns. Cause btdt looked realistically frustrated at being scumread and somehow ended up with the attitude that he doesn't care about how he is perceived afterwards and adjusted his posting to a less effort style which makes sense when you are being scumread after posting high effort. I think that's a townie progression. See, scummycandle? it's actually possible to not scumread me for that but of course as scum pushing for a mislynch you need to paint me red. bah bah bah lynch pb/holyflare I think is a good move
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Page 3 + Show Spoiler [?Rit on HF; weirds Fidei] +On June 05 2017 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote: yo ritoky when you're done calling me bad what do you think about Holyflare? On June 05 2017 04:30 beentheredonethat wrote:It's super weird that Fidei 1. likes my "forensic approach" (which everyone else called BAD BAD BAD) 2. townleans me 3. doesn't say a single word to defend me at any point in his filter ( + Show Spoiler [Generous HF is scum X2] +On June 05 2017 04:36 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote: 1. You have to give them a chance to do something instead of driving them away. Focusing solely on newbies when there is a LOT of content in the game other than those people (which we have told you to focus on) looks bad because newbies are generally really easy mislynches.
2. It's not plain wrong. Ritoky, myself, many other people have told you to stop pushing these people, stop focusing on how "bad" you're being and communicate with the rest of the game. I have multiple instances in my filter repeating the same thing. There are many instances in your filter proving this.
3. Just because you did something once doesn't mean everyone now is capable of doing it. There is nothing in his filter that looked like he was shirking away from giving reads and phone posting was a way to achieve that so to me it looks like you're shovelling inane points to try and bury a new guy behind a wall of aggression so he shuts down instead of giving him space, reevaluating that you might be wrong and looking into other avenues in a three scum team game, which you have been asked to do.
4. You haven't mentioned him since. 1. At this point there wasn't a lot of content in the game. Also, I was simply reading through the thread and picking up posts as I read them. I didn't first read and then decide what to pick on, d'oh. "We have told you to look at" - not at this point, again, lots of blablabla 2. Holy maccaroni you're argueing with a point in the game that is much later than the oiriginal point you have misrepresented. It's always easier to say "hey, on page 6 you hadn't done what I told you on page 7", you do realize that, right? 3. Of course that doesn't mean that everybody is capable of doing it. Nevertheless it is a solid reasoning for ME to think that this might the going on here. Of course I am not giving space to the person I'm pushing, I don't want to hear them flail about whateverthefuck they ate last night, I want to clearly know what's going on. Who the fuck writes "b/c" on mobile, I ask once more? And if it's so super convenient for him (or for you, HF) as you said earlier, then why does he say "oih wait until im on a computer" then anyways, huh? No, doesn't make sense, hence why I think it's scum indicative. 4. That's wroooooong I say pretty clearly I'm fine with lynching him, probably 10 min ago or something. scummy scummy hf I know you're capable of out-argueing me at any point in time, no problem but that doesn't make you less scum On June 05 2017 04:36 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 04:32 Holyflare wrote: Even though all of the above is still in play, I haven't called you mafia, I've been willing to be open about you SO THAT YOU DO OTHER THINGS, which you still refuse to do. One of my other things I'm doing is scumreading you you super generous guy + Show Spoiler [QQ Card played] +On June 05 2017 04:38 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 04:36 Fidei86 wrote:On June 05 2017 04:30 beentheredonethat wrote:It's super weird that Fidei 1. likes my "forensic approach" (which everyone else called BAD BAD BAD) 2. townleans me 3. doesn't say a single word to defend me at any point in his filter ( I mean, since that you've essentially just pushed Conversion and then been extremely whiny. I'm still town-leaning you, but all my reads are sort of crossing over each other, which is making this game very confusing. But if you want someone else to defend you maybe you should start by defending yourself... I know I'm playing bad. And I assure you this is the last game I'll play for a while if not ever. Every time I sign up for a game and roll town, I get super mad when I'm called scum, I get super mad when people call me bad. So I'll be super happy if this game is over for me and don't worry, I won't sign up for any other games. + Show Spoiler [list post lynch TS&PB] +On June 05 2017 06:35 beentheredonethat wrote:Here's where I'm at: (no particular order right now) Don't lynch: Vivax Fidei + Show Spoiler +one question though: On June 04 2017 22:51 Fidei86 wrote: *deep breath*
Care to explain why? Why take a deep breath there, but townread me? I mean, me being emotional must be annoying, too, so why town read me but react like this there? ritoky Lynch: Prison Break + Show Spoiler +On June 05 2017 02:34 Prison Break wrote: I will post a list of my reads today - I like where my vote is now (based on page 1/14, reading the rest now) That was his last life sign. He did the same promise stuff in Generic II, check his day one. He OMGUS'ed me after I pushed him and besides that he hasn't touched a single player besides some wonky "yo HF can you answer this, please" - where no follow up happened, again. There was a bit about Fidei, granted, but although he didn''#t like that fidei called out lurkers, it apparently wasnt enough for PB to look a bit deeper into Fidei. Super coasting mafia. Tubesock + Show Spoiler +On June 05 2017 02:10 Tubesock wrote: My preferred lynches are BH, btdt, then TW.
BH and TW for already stated reasons. btdt because I don't like nitpickers or martyrs. He's wrong on Conversion, if newbie excuses were the entire content of Cons post then he'd be right but Conversion posts reads and explains them.
I'm fine with HF and TW being in the same category. I mean you're HF the one who survives red checks. And I'm pretty convinced the mods messed up in generic and mislabeled your role when you died. This is super cheap. Blazinghand does nothing and is controversial and super low volume, I am already voted, and TW is also thread sentiment alike. Seems content with what he does there. Calls out Onegu at a random point but doesn't really care if Onegu returns or not. Others: Conversion - hmm. His filter is full of stuff, so there's more to read into, so I'd just wait a bit. The mobile stuff still makes me headache and I think he's getting away too easy with some stuff but I realize that this is super generic. I'm not filter diving him right now. Holyflare 6 pages of filter and of course HF is great and I feel like I will not even try to read him. If he's alive past day 3 he should be lynched because noone leaves HF alive for so long. He's a beast. Tumblewood - meh dunno Onegu - huge list post :O LightningStrike - not remembering anything spectacular? Grackaroni - not remembering anything spectacular? Blazinghand - I have literally no idea about his alignment + Show Spoiler [HF's TW Compendium; Sheep Rit v…] +On June 05 2017 06:36 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 06:26 Holyflare wrote:The Tumblewood TMI Compendium V 1.0Tubesock - Town On June 03 2017 10:41 Tumblewood wrote: I still maintain that most of your opinions are bad but I think you're town. fuck Fidei - Town On June 04 2017 05:33 Tumblewood wrote: even thought I don't like walls of text, the feels are definitely good for fidei Ritoky - Town On June 04 2017 05:37 Tumblewood wrote: ritoky also has the Good Feels, or at least he sounds smart and I'll take that at this stage of the game Grack - Town On June 04 2017 09:04 Tumblewood wrote: specifically I mean grack is probably town. every game I see grack getting scumread by other townies but never really pushed, but he always comes through with the sort of analysis that's right on the money once or twice BTDT - Town On June 05 2017 02:04 Tumblewood wrote:On June 05 2017 02:00 Conversion wrote:PB are your thoughts on BTDT the same? I honestly don't see how his play works out by tunneling me-- I think it's just a weak play at best if I end up getting lynched and flipping town, so I'm inclined to believe he's town but idk. I don't think lynching him today is going to get us anywhere, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. On June 05 2017 00:12 Tumblewood wrote:On June 04 2017 23:35 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 04 2017 08:43 Conversion wrote: Aside from having sort of suspicious feelings on how quickly btdt is basing his reads on feelings (he's sleeping now iirc so I can wait on that) and then not explaining his case by citing he's a bad player, I think I'd have to read more when I'm not at a phone to make better reads.
I'd also like to give Fidei the benefit of the doubt b/c I was cited in the past as acting pretty scummy here when I was floundering about from inactivity and lack of confidence. I would rather have on the board some confidence and a deconstruction of my post from Fidei to support your scumtell so you can push it harder to let me argue and refine your read on me. 1. You're on a phone 2. You're typing super long sentences with correct spelling and punctuation. 3. You go out of your way to even type "b/c" which on mobile should be harder to type then "because" You're either overly dedicated to correct spelling, punctuation, wording and what not - or you weren't typing from mobile and you're making excuses. now this is the kind of tunneling I like to see don't tell me scum is using these points against anyone, because they're not Can you explain why you like BTDT's tunneling? I feel as if tunneling someone for weak reasons as above is more detrimental than not. btdt tunnels in what I'd call a "blind" way. as in, he's blinded by his own conviction, and that is something that nearly always comes from town Blazinghand - Town On June 04 2017 09:55 Tumblewood wrote: been reading through bh's meta. scratch what I said about him, he's town Vivax - Town On June 05 2017 05:58 Tumblewood wrote: fortunately vivax is 95% town that's actually super cool and I'm tempted to lynch TW now although I just made a huge post which stated otherwise :O because if TW is red then wow lol On June 05 2017 06:59 beentheredonethat wrote: ritoky votes tw i vote tw
Night 1, Day 2 Page 3 cont'd. + Show Spoiler [reaction fid lynch] +On June 05 2017 18:39 beentheredonethat wrote: hahahaha fidei
I would've never caught him
good job Onegu. I'll go back to my retard corner and await the mislynch :D + Show Spoiler [PB still scum] +On June 05 2017 18:40 beentheredonethat wrote: I still think PB is scum tho :O
And HF might also be because he was super duper late on Fidei
BH/Onegu town + Show Spoiler [HFvsVivax claim talk] +On June 07 2017 03:00 beentheredonethat wrote: why would vivax trade himself for holyflare if vivax was scum? On June 07 2017 03:01 beentheredonethat wrote: i mean just saying but he claimed cop and noone counter claimed so in my understanding we should lynch HF and then lynch Vivax if HF doesn't flip red, right? On June 07 2017 03:01 beentheredonethat wrote: i mean it's holyflare it's not blue it's holyflare On June 07 2017 03:02 beentheredonethat wrote: "lynch the cop claim" like you never lynch the cop claim, right? On June 07 2017 03:02 beentheredonethat wrote: if i missed some super obvious points let me know (and no hf I dont think that the "BS claim" thingy is a super clear slip)
Page 4 + Show Spoiler [Cop mechanic talk, lynch HF] +On June 07 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +honestly if we lynch vivax at this point and he flips cop are we even in a terrible spot? we lynch HF tomorrow which means we have 2 scum in 3 lynches, that seems pretty good for a worst case scenario
best case scenario is vivax is scum which is obv good, and lynching HF is bad because odds are vivax was going to be lynched at some point anyway
If he flips cop, we don't have a cop. Next kill would then most likely be Tumblewood (if he's indeed doc) because doc would save the cop. If all those claims are real, ofc. If HF flips green, we can lynch a scum tomorrow. Which is super fine. We don't lose the cop. I just don't understand how a sane person can prefer the un-cc'ed cop lynch over the claimed check lynch. Even if HF isn't scum, we get Vivax. In both cases it's a bit coinflippy but why the hell would you start with the potential cop and not with the potential scum? On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:07 Blazinghand wrote: So BTDT "why would vivax trade himself for holyflare if vivax was scum?" is implying that Vivax wasn't already gonna be lynched today. You of course had Vivax in your "don't lynch" list but let's imagine that he was 100% doomed today. If he was in fact 100% gonna be lynched, as scum, why NOT try to take down HF first?
Another way to look at it was "We're either lynching Vivax or HF today, who is scummier?" and I think the obvious answer is Vivax, even accounting for the cop claim.
It's entirely possible Vivax is in fact the town cop (or a vanilla townie who's just really mad at HF or something). But his play makes sense from the PoV of low-effort scum who can't be arsed to play the game, thinks he's dead no matter what, but wants to try to take someone down with him. I just don't understand how at the very beginning of a 48 hour phase, a lynch on Vivax is already locked and will happen 100% of the time. The "If" you say there is a super big one. Also why not simply cc the doc in Tumblewood and argue people into that? Vivax should be capable of that. On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote: if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine
I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check. + Show Spoiler [PB case bad lynch HF then PB] +On June 07 2017 03:12 beentheredonethat wrote: this whole case from PB is super unreadable, cluttered and it feels like there's more quotation than actual thinking.
im super content in lynching that guy, still, but not over hf + Show Spoiler [claim talk] +On June 07 2017 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote: It's super fishy that noone is inclined to believe that claim especially since Vivax just pissed off and doesn't care about this game. I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship
also keep in mind yes one scum is down but we have wonky claims in tw/vivax, we have players that are super capable of bussing (BH/Onegu) and there's a lot of things to be paranoid about. In no way is this going to be easy, especially if we lynch Vivax and he flips cop because hell HF is capable of talking himself out of a check. In a cop/doc situation, a framer might be in, right?
On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote: if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine
I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check. Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker. By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax. + Show Spoiler [PB scummy for not quoting] +On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:15 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:06 Prison Break wrote: sorry about the long posts btw :/
I should use bulletpoints, spoilers etc. more You should press the quote button on the posts you want to quote because it's hard to decipher between what you write and what's a quote. And he knows that from Generic II. This guy is absolutely scummy. + Show Spoiler [Lynch HF first] +On June 07 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:honestly if we lynch vivax at this point and he flips cop are we even in a terrible spot? we lynch HF tomorrow which means we have 2 scum in 3 lynches, that seems pretty good for a worst case scenario
best case scenario is vivax is scum which is obv good, and lynching HF is bad because odds are vivax was going to be lynched at some point anyway
If he flips cop, we don't have a cop. Next kill would then most likely be Tumblewood (if he's indeed doc) because doc would save the cop. If all those claims are real, ofc. If HF flips green, we can lynch a scum tomorrow. Which is super fine. We don't lose the cop. I just don't understand how a sane person can prefer the un-cc'ed cop lynch over the claimed check lynch. Even if HF isn't scum, we get Vivax. In both cases it's a bit coinflippy but why the hell would you start with the potential cop and not with the potential scum? Because if you're playing the same game you'd know vivax was bad fake claiming or mafia. He even says in his post he's going to rescind. Point me to that. Show nested quote +At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments. He seems to be all fucked up about the randomness of this game. And I can understand that: looking only at activity (not content), he's active and participating and gets scumread, while low-volume players that didn't contribute too hard to this game get a lot of cred because they yolo'd a lynch onto scum gf. I can super understand his frustration and I don't understand why you call that "bad fake claiming or mafia". On June 07 2017 03:21 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:19 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote: It's super fishy that noone is inclined to believe that claim especially since Vivax just pissed off and doesn't care about this game. I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship
also keep in mind yes one scum is down but we have wonky claims in tw/vivax, we have players that are super capable of bussing (BH/Onegu) and there's a lot of things to be paranoid about. In no way is this going to be easy, especially if we lynch Vivax and he flips cop because hell HF is capable of talking himself out of a check. In a cop/doc situation, a framer might be in, right?
"I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship" he literally is the kind of guy to do that "HF is capable of talking himself out of a check" not with me around kiddo " a framer might be in, right" literally impossible under the rules ah you're right. super good, lynch HF, no way he has been framed, so no way for Vivax to talk himself out of anything should HF flip green + Show Spoiler [nitpick PB's format fiasco] +On June 07 2017 03:22 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:20 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:15 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:06 Prison Break wrote: sorry about the long posts btw :/
I should use bulletpoints, spoilers etc. more You should press the quote button on the posts you want to quote because it's hard to decipher between what you write and what's a quote. And he knows that from Generic II. This guy is absolutely scummy. How on earth is going through all that effort to make your post unreadable scummy? I think you need to take a chill pill on your scum tells. 1. make a case 2. make it as unreadable as possible 3. "whoops" how is that not scummy? "look at all the effort I'm putting in guys but please don't really look at it as it's constructed" + Show Spoiler [BH calls btdt speculation bad] +On June 07 2017 03:24 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:21 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote: if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine
I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check. Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker. By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax. GF being in does NOT confirm cop existence. The Hosts don't want the Mafia to have too much information, so they get a GF at the start whether or not there's a cop. Man every piece of setup speculation you're doing is so bad Don't call me bad, I get tilted super fast and then I get worse. There's no need for a host to put in a GF when there is no investigative role. Can be a goon. Why would you actively mislead scum? In setups with cop/doc, it's even balance-wise important for mafia to know what's going on because they'll never be able to fake claim in a meaningful way if they don't know the setup. + Show Spoiler [not lynching unCC'd cop] +On June 07 2017 03:26 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:24 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:honestly if we lynch vivax at this point and he flips cop are we even in a terrible spot? we lynch HF tomorrow which means we have 2 scum in 3 lynches, that seems pretty good for a worst case scenario
best case scenario is vivax is scum which is obv good, and lynching HF is bad because odds are vivax was going to be lynched at some point anyway
If he flips cop, we don't have a cop. Next kill would then most likely be Tumblewood (if he's indeed doc) because doc would save the cop. If all those claims are real, ofc. If HF flips green, we can lynch a scum tomorrow. Which is super fine. We don't lose the cop. I just don't understand how a sane person can prefer the un-cc'ed cop lynch over the claimed check lynch. Even if HF isn't scum, we get Vivax. In both cases it's a bit coinflippy but why the hell would you start with the potential cop and not with the potential scum? Because if you're playing the same game you'd know vivax was bad fake claiming or mafia. He even says in his post he's going to rescind. Point me to that. At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments. He seems to be all fucked up about the randomness of this game. And I can understand that: looking only at activity (not content), he's active and participating and gets scumread, while low-volume players that didn't contribute too hard to this game get a lot of cred because they yolo'd a lynch onto scum gf. I can super understand his frustration and I don't understand why you call that "bad fake claiming or mafia". We Lynched Mafia And He Says It's Cos Onegu Made Good Points And Everyone Sheeped Onegu So why is he mad at all that fidei, the mafia, got lynched based on content. It was 0% random AND UNAVOIDABLE BECAUSE THE MAIN WAGON CLAIMED BLUE. He makes it out like he's pissed off from an unavoidable situation that he played no part in to help. Then he says at the end of the day after everyone picks a side in the cop battle we'll lynch someone random. Because he is going to rescind and say it's all a joke to make us flail like day 1. I don't think you're making sense. And I think you're trying to talk me into lynching Vivax. I'm not gonna lynch into the un-cc'ed cop because his red-check told me to do so. It's super madness. If he lied, he'll be lynched next day. If not, HF is scum. Supercool. + Show Spoiler [wouldn't lynch Viv or HF but Viv…] +On June 07 2017 03:27 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:22 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:19 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote: It's super fishy that noone is inclined to believe that claim especially since Vivax just pissed off and doesn't care about this game. I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship
also keep in mind yes one scum is down but we have wonky claims in tw/vivax, we have players that are super capable of bussing (BH/Onegu) and there's a lot of things to be paranoid about. In no way is this going to be easy, especially if we lynch Vivax and he flips cop because hell HF is capable of talking himself out of a check. In a cop/doc situation, a framer might be in, right?
"I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship" he literally is the kind of guy to do that "HF is capable of talking himself out of a check" not with me around kiddo " a framer might be in, right" literally impossible under the rules ah you're right. super good, lynch HF, no way he has been framed, so no way for Vivax to talk himself out of anything should HF flip green So you think it's more likely HF will flip scum than Vivax will flip scum, based on their contributions to the game and Vivax's claim? Just to be clear here, you think HF is more likely to be scum than Vivax is? please explicitly answer directly. HF is super active and drives the game forward. Vivax is not so super active, has fucked off D2, but I think he had a decent D1. Without the claim: I'd probably lynch neither of them. If I had to choose, I'd lynch Vivax over HF. + Show Spoiler [setup talk] +On June 07 2017 03:28 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:21 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote: if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine
I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check. Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker. By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax. GF being in does NOT confirm cop existence. The Hosts don't want the Mafia to have too much information, so they get a GF at the start whether or not there's a cop. Man every piece of setup speculation you're doing is so bad Don't call me bad, I get tilted super fast and then I get worse. There's no need for a host to put in a GF when there is no investigative role. Can be a goon. Why would you actively mislead scum? In setups with cop/doc, it's even balance-wise important for mafia to know what's going on because they'll never be able to fake claim in a meaningful way if they don't know the setup. Sigh, AS A HOST, and as the guy who does balance checks (sometimes) for new hosts, I give mafia a GF and advise giving Mafia GF even in games with no cop, it it's a closed setup. You make the experience identical whether there is or isn't a cop. This is like... I mean, come on man/ I'm not saying you're a bad player, but at least please trust my experience. I'm not saying there's definitely no cop; I'm saying the existence of a GF is independent of that fact. I'm not saying you're a bad player, but just leave the setup speculation to me ok This is a semi-open setup, not a closed setup. On June 07 2017 03:29 beentheredonethat wrote: I think I need to un-trigger my last PB point as he indeed recreated his post with decent quotes. On June 07 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:29 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:28 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:21 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote: if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine
I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check. Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker. By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax. GF being in does NOT confirm cop existence. The Hosts don't want the Mafia to have too much information, so they get a GF at the start whether or not there's a cop. Man every piece of setup speculation you're doing is so bad Don't call me bad, I get tilted super fast and then I get worse. There's no need for a host to put in a GF when there is no investigative role. Can be a goon. Why would you actively mislead scum? In setups with cop/doc, it's even balance-wise important for mafia to know what's going on because they'll never be able to fake claim in a meaningful way if they don't know the setup. Sigh, AS A HOST, and as the guy who does balance checks (sometimes) for new hosts, I give mafia a GF and advise giving Mafia GF even in games with no cop, it it's a closed setup. You make the experience identical whether there is or isn't a cop. This is like... I mean, come on man/ I'm not saying you're a bad player, but at least please trust my experience. I'm not saying there's definitely no cop; I'm saying the existence of a GF is independent of that fact. I'm not saying you're a bad player, but just leave the setup speculation to me ok This is a semi-open setup, not a closed setup. JESUS CHRIST HOW ARE YOU SO DENSE THE POINT IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE EXACT ROLE COUNTS AND SHIT, YOUR OBJECTION IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT ALSO THIS IS SEMI-CLOSED NOT SEMI-OPEN JUST STOP TALKING Taken from the OP. On June 07 2017 03:31 beentheredonethat wrote: Just one question:
In a situation where a un-cc'ed cop claims a red-check on a player, do you lynch the un-cc'ed cop over the red-check because the un-cc'ed cop previously was scummier than his red-check?
On June 07 2017 03:32 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:31 Blazinghand wrote: actually you know what BTDT if it makes you feel better I concede the point on the NAMING of the setup type, but there's NOTHING that implies that automatically there must be a Cop if there is a GF. In fact, PM the host if you want and ask, "in setups with a GF, is it required by the rules there also is a cop" please give it a try
sweet mother of mercy I'm not saying existence of cop is super confirmed. I'm saying it's likely that there is one given we have a GF. Your argument is "no, it's not likely, most of the time there is a gf in even if there is no cop". We're not talking setup confirmation here. You're putting super weight on that one bit, my main point was "hey, you guys are lynching the un-cc'ed cop, that's not a good idea". On June 07 2017 03:33 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:31 beentheredonethat wrote: Just one question:
In a situation where a un-cc'ed cop claims a red-check on a player, do you lynch the un-cc'ed cop over the red-check because the un-cc'ed cop previously was scummier than his red-check?
should I [.big] and [.b] this maybe
Page 5 + Show Spoiler [lynch Viv if rescinds] +On June 07 2017 03:38 beentheredonethat wrote: If Vivax rescinds his claim he's the lynch, no questions asked. At least from my side. Even if that's coming from town, it's super bad, stole a day, and potentially lost the game and should be punished.
+ Show Spoiler [Vivax is trying] +On June 07 2017 03:39 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 06:51 Vivax wrote: I like Fidei's first post cause he reprimands me for forming certain reads he thinks I shouldn't have. I will say that they are preliminary reads based on the little content I had so I think that shows that he isn't suffering from TMI. Fidei town for now.
HF town I think cause he isn't just yelling about any mistake someone may have made and extending the discussion about it into as much detail as he can to produce endless unproductive arguments. He seems really chill about his scumhunting and thinks he has something on TW. I can see where he's coming from cause imo that post looked overly emotional (if you wanna call it forced, call it forced) but I'm not that sure that it makes TW mafia as he is.
BTDT I'm atm conflicted on cause I don't think Grack played like this in generic. I feel like Grack has slowed down his posting even more than in the last game, and I'm surprised btdt doesn't see it the same way. I like on the other hand that he's pointing out how PB is making easy posts by saying certain things in a contrived, overly worded way. But I also think that it's something a scum can easily point out esp. emphasizing that PB won a mafia game recently which reads to me like soft fearmongering. I prefer to remain inconclusive on btdt for now and watch more development between him ritoky and PB.
PB on the other hand calls out fidei for the lurker thingy, but says it's only scummy if it's not to move the game forward, which is a statement that cancels itself and ends up not really saying anything. He could ask fidei if that was his intention before explaining that if it was, he could ignore the argument, for example. I like his idea of discussing how to find mafia early game actually and giving his own opinion on it cause it looks cute at best, pointless at worst and since it's what we are already doing I don't think that it needs to be laid out. He doesn't latch onto someone instantly like last scum game but prefers a chill start instead so I remain conflicted on him as well.
HF also pointed out that he's asking for help on how to play and shouldn't be auto made out as scummy which looks like what btdt wants to do.
I think in this conversation btdt looks a bit too eager to push PBs post into a scummy light and comes out slightly worse of the two, although superficially, PB has more things you could construe as scummy quickly (and hence possibly qualifies as lynch bait)
Conversion post explaining his absence reads tonally super town explaining without a hint of nervousness why he's playing like he is. Feels safe to townpile for now.
Ritoky's case on btdt seems good and isn't overly adorned and gets straight to the point. Ritoky likey.
Grack has achieved a new dimension of mafia laziness but his latest read post ends up at something similar like where I am. Gonna see what he comes up with further. I maintain that he didn't try to do jack in early game and even less than last game where at least he actively constructed shit posts (like inserting wrong quotes on purpose).
LS and HFs arguments on LS I'm postponing atm. Also fideis new post doesn't end up where I am at all. I'ma stick around now instead of throwing walls of text at you. And BH?BH whatever, he has a star in his name and is the banlist fuhrer so should probably lynch just to be rebellious. look at this for someone who absolutely doesn't like to play scum (as painted), that's quite the effort to do. + Show Spoiler [Vivax towns btdt so must be town, or TMI] +On June 07 2017 03:40 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 07:32 Vivax wrote:On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote: shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. On June 04 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote: no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner
yes I'm going to bed now
no I'm not scum This reads like real frustration. But no need to be frustrated btdt. Just keep doing your thing! As scum, I'd just go full frontal "lol btdt you suck" but that's me On June 07 2017 03:41 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 03:55 Vivax wrote:On June 05 2017 03:53 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2017 23:41 beentheredonethat wrote: stuck on page 11, cooking is done.
ritoky town hf dunno, can be both, if alive >D3, lynch with fire etc
I don't care about pretty much everyone else, can be lynched
except Onegu, for some super weird reason I think Onegu's town but I'm not gonna share this reason
holy crap.....this is so bad....this might be too bad to be scum. That's townie as hell. Best example of idgaf attitude. this is interesting in vivax' filter like, ritoky says "wtf btdt you're super bad" and he's instabelieving that's me being town not giving a fuck, which is 100% correct and could of course be a scum TMI + Show Spoiler [btdt is neg., Viv agrees on PB] +On June 07 2017 03:42 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:40 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:39 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 04 2017 06:51 Vivax wrote: I like Fidei's first post cause he reprimands me for forming certain reads he thinks I shouldn't have. I will say that they are preliminary reads based on the little content I had so I think that shows that he isn't suffering from TMI. Fidei town for now.
HF town I think cause he isn't just yelling about any mistake someone may have made and extending the discussion about it into as much detail as he can to produce endless unproductive arguments. He seems really chill about his scumhunting and thinks he has something on TW. I can see where he's coming from cause imo that post looked overly emotional (if you wanna call it forced, call it forced) but I'm not that sure that it makes TW mafia as he is.
BTDT I'm atm conflicted on cause I don't think Grack played like this in generic. I feel like Grack has slowed down his posting even more than in the last game, and I'm surprised btdt doesn't see it the same way. I like on the other hand that he's pointing out how PB is making easy posts by saying certain things in a contrived, overly worded way. But I also think that it's something a scum can easily point out esp. emphasizing that PB won a mafia game recently which reads to me like soft fearmongering. I prefer to remain inconclusive on btdt for now and watch more development between him ritoky and PB.
PB on the other hand calls out fidei for the lurker thingy, but says it's only scummy if it's not to move the game forward, which is a statement that cancels itself and ends up not really saying anything. He could ask fidei if that was his intention before explaining that if it was, he could ignore the argument, for example. I like his idea of discussing how to find mafia early game actually and giving his own opinion on it cause it looks cute at best, pointless at worst and since it's what we are already doing I don't think that it needs to be laid out. He doesn't latch onto someone instantly like last scum game but prefers a chill start instead so I remain conflicted on him as well.
HF also pointed out that he's asking for help on how to play and shouldn't be auto made out as scummy which looks like what btdt wants to do.
I think in this conversation btdt looks a bit too eager to push PBs post into a scummy light and comes out slightly worse of the two, although superficially, PB has more things you could construe as scummy quickly (and hence possibly qualifies as lynch bait)
Conversion post explaining his absence reads tonally super town explaining without a hint of nervousness why he's playing like he is. Feels safe to townpile for now.
Ritoky's case on btdt seems good and isn't overly adorned and gets straight to the point. Ritoky likey.
Grack has achieved a new dimension of mafia laziness but his latest read post ends up at something similar like where I am. Gonna see what he comes up with further. I maintain that he didn't try to do jack in early game and even less than last game where at least he actively constructed shit posts (like inserting wrong quotes on purpose).
LS and HFs arguments on LS I'm postponing atm. Also fideis new post doesn't end up where I am at all. I'ma stick around now instead of throwing walls of text at you. And BH?BH whatever, he has a star in his name and is the banlist fuhrer so should probably lynch just to be rebellious. look at this for someone who absolutely doesn't like to play scum (as painted), that's quite the effort to do. It's a list post and therefore imo not a good contribution. Also, like... I guess let me say this. After the D1 flip, I as a townie, felt energized and excited. Since we lynched a mafia I have been more engaged and eager to play this game. I think we can win this! it was a big morale boost. How did Vivax react to that? I felt super fucked over that flip because I thought that my top town read (or something) just flipped scum and I didn't play for 12hours or so because I thought "meh, I'm the next lynch" im super negative On June 07 2017 03:43 beentheredonethat wrote: Vivax agrees with me or me with him with regard to PB's posts. I think that's why I started townread him, along with the fact that D1, he punched towards a lot of people (tw, ls, grack, onegu, bh, hf, pb) I'm giving up on quoting most the quotes. This is taking way too too long. btdt spends the rest of page 5 talking about how he's going to lynch HF because he's the redcheck, he believes Vivax is too tryhard to be scum. He didn't like Ritoky being on the train to lynch HF named by Vivax due to Ritoky casing btdt + Show Spoiler [scums Rit for casing btdt] +On June 07 2017 03:45 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 05 2017 04:30 Vivax wrote: I'm already feeling the unstoppable fidei/btdt/Vivax/ritoky train choochooing HF and his scumbois into ze ground this gives me headache especially since ritoky even cased me, he doesn't make sense in that list neither do I of course .
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Page 6 This page Vivax comes back after 12 hours or so and then BH and HF get him to rescind his claim. btdt instantly wants to lynch Vivax and BH calls him out on it. Here btdt says he's ded already and lost his motivation to play so peaces out (but doesn't). Later says: + Show Spoiler [don't want to lynch Viv, HF, BH] +On June 07 2017 20:36 beentheredonethat wrote: I don't want to lynch Vivax and I don't want to lynch Holyflare. I don't want to lynch Blazinghand. I'm paranoid about Blazinghand and Holyflare but the rational part of my mind says it's super unlikely they are scum together. If they are scum together, the game is lost anyways. BH and HF are driving the game forward. Vivax is mainly busy defending himself and blaming BH/HF being scum, and I'm of course busy with self-pity and so on.
Good thing we lynched scum D1, because if we hadn't, scum probably would be in a great position. & + Show Spoiler [ thought experiment] +On June 07 2017 20:52 beentheredonethat wrote:Okay. Thought experiment: Assuming BH, HF, Vivax and me are all town and mafia is in the rather low volume players and having a good laugh about how town is currently screwing over itself. That leaves: Tubesock, Tumblewood, LightningStrike, Grackaroni, ritoky, Prison Break, Conversion. Now Tumblewood is the blue claim. The doctor. However, the nightkill was Onegu. Now keep in mind that the OP clearly says that the doctor cannot heal himself - so either scum didn't believe the doctor claim and did a potential medic dodge - or Tumblewood fakeclaimed to stay alive. So right now, Tumblewood is un-cc'ed and the only claim. town!HF's move of "hey, not gonna tell the exact role so I don't out the "real" blue just in case" was actually really cool. Tumblewood let the whole D2 pass so far and didn't care too much about this game ALTHOUGH he's the claimed doctor and should be highly interested in finding out potential N2 heal targets, right? Mafia didn't kill him N1, so maybe he'll get another heal of. There might of course be other thinking patterns but this is one that I'd find likely to have as doctor. Grackaroni - I'm currently putting him on the town pile. He worded exactly why I didn't want to lynch Vivax in a way that I really liked and I fully agreed with his thought process here. I quoted the post that I mean already, it's somewhere in my filter. Might be a bit too easy to townread here but I'll do it anyways. LightningStrike - I still have no particular impression on what he's done so far. Townreads Tubesock, Grack, ritoky. He says that "HF vs. Vivax feels like town vs. scum" with a tendency to Vivax playing the scum part - what happened to that read D2? But then again, he was early to switch to fidei, plus: Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 08:58 LightningStrike wrote: I not feeling good about this switch to james now with everyone jumping on broad. I think this is a genuine town post. His last appearance here was almost 24 hours ago so it's time for him to come back. Tubesock has a full three pages of filter, mostly one liners that are not really amazing. I don't know why people townread that guy. But then again he was second on the Fidei wagon which should give him a lot of town cred. In that thought experiment, our lynches should be between ritoky, Prison Break, Conversion. Those are at least the guys and gals to look into. where he says people should look into ritoky, Prison Break, and Conversion. as far as I can tell, he scums ritoky (the least of the three) because of ritoky's case on him, Prison Break is soft, not pushy, and calm, and Conversion typed "b/c" when "because" is easier on the phone.
Page 7 + Show Spoiler [Let's lynch lurker PB] +On June 08 2017 05:12 beentheredonethat wrote: This is amazing. When Vivax had claimed: "Let's lynch the cop over the red-check" When Vivax unclaimed: "I think he's town but let's lynch him anyways"
Take a step back guys and realize: we all townread Vivax apparently because what he did was bad as scum as well as as town. Like, really bad. Not just a bit bad. And while we all want to see blood, we won't fare well if we lynch a townie today. I'd lynch a lurker (yo, Prison Break, that's you) over Vivax any time.
And of course I'll take the second nomination for worst player 2017 if it turns out I hard defended scum twice :D + Show Spoiler [larger case on PB] +On June 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 21:32 Prison Break wrote: Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking extremely early game, unless if he's just trying to move the game forward in which case it's not a scumtell
Tumblewoods initial response seemed forced, but the way he got to a townread after it is something I see town do when they realize a push is bad, or scum when they fear people will be onto them. But if tumblewood was scum wouldn't he realize his push was thin to say the least? Like I don't see how he has scum would make such a push just to retract it after, I don't think there was enough pressure on him to already back off from it. Based on this I conclude his change of mind was genuine not calculated, so leaning town on tumblewood despite me not liking his post initially. At least he's also trying to move the game forward which is worth something.
going to throw this out here cause I may be able to get something out of it, and it may help me make reads on people as well: what are some ways to go about catching scum, especially early game? I don't expect/want people to make an entire list because mafia will adapt, but I think a few examples or short answers will help the game move forward. I'll start off, in my experience who I think are "extremely scummy" often end up being town, and the extremely active/inactives as well (although this one isn't a golden rule), and often the people I nullread end up being scum. I think this is because scum wants to blend in and doesn't try to play as townie or as scummy as possible but somewhere in the safe middle. I think last game that would be true for myself as well. The first person PB speaks about is Fidei. Within like 2 sentences, then goes on to rant a lot about how Tumbleweed is something? Only to never pick up his points on Fidei again, but of course pressuring me once he realized ritoky was after me. He doesn't care to really push me though he's just happy to have his vote on me and doesn't care about much else. Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 02:34 Prison Break wrote: I will post a list of my reads today - I like where my vote is now (based on page 1/14, reading the rest now) he didn't Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 08:45 Prison Break wrote: Really everytime I check the thread nothing happens, and when I'm away it has 20+ pages when I come back lol. I'll see what i can do for now and the reads I won't be able to get to I will post tomorrow he did nothing (besides a votecount, wtf) Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 09:18 Prison Break wrote: LOL
I thought I was the lynch, but I got flood control'd and couldn't defend myself, I'm so glad we lynched fidei and that he rolled scum rofl
ok I will use this night to catch up and post a list he didn't Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 09:39 Prison Break wrote: I mean how many scum are there. I assume 3? one was fidei. Maybe one was AFK. So you make any conclusions on this based off literally 1 person who did or didn't fight it? It's even in the OP. Three. You should know. You played in Generic II, and you are coached, and you could've asked your coach about this, and you could've read the OP. This is a super constructed dumbtell. Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 02:08 Prison Break wrote:On June 05 2017 18:39 beentheredonethat wrote: hahahaha fidei
I would've never caught him
good job Onegu. I'll go back to my retard corner and await the mislynch :D This is suspicious and doesn't realize I tried to kill fidei and HF says I could be scum etc. - why do you think the entire scumteam is trying to kill each other? I think this is very scummy and I wonder if you realized it or just call people scum. You didn't try to kill him. In the final vote count, your vote is not on him. You also didn't push him. + Show Spoiler +On June 05 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Final Vote Count
Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood, Tubesock, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Holyflare Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86, Holyflare, ritoky, beentheredonethat, Tubesock, LightningStrike, Vivax Prison Break (2): Conversion, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Vivax beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, ritoky, Tubesock Vivax (1): Blazinghand, Holyflare, Tubesock, Blazinghand LightningStrike (1): Tumblewood, Holyflare, ritoky Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni, Tubesock, Vivax, Vivax Grackaroni (0): Blazinghand Holyflare (0): LightningStrike, Vivax, Tumblewood, LightningStrike Conversion (0): beentheredonethat
Fidei86 will be lynched.
+ Show Spoiler [Big wall of nothing] +On June 06 2017 09:15 Prison Break wrote: I'll be honest I'm not caught up so I haven't read any questions directed at me
I filtered some people that were the primary lynch targets and gave my opinion on them
No I haven't posted a list but I have given reads on at least half the players which is something
I'm sorry for not engaging as much as I'd like to, it's more because of being busy / I find it hard to read through everything ( like I could read through it quickly, but I prefer to keep looking for connections and read things thoroughly so I tend to read back and filter people while reading, some people take that as me "coming up with the right conclusions based on nothing", but I can tell you if I were mafia I would've just dropped random reads and posts every now and then. But right now I want to actually only post when I'm caught up / when I have good reads because I'm not scum this game. )
I think a lot of people are biased because of last game, and when you realize Tumblewood would've been the lynch prior to claiming, HF has a lot of suspicion, and people want me dead or are suspiciouos of me, I'd say that is the exact scumteam of last people and people should look if we're actually scum again or that it's just a bias.
Like I said my scumread on beentheredonethat is strong, if he has done anything in the last pages that I haven't read yet then I may reconsider, but, he did a lot of really scummy stuff early on which I pointed out so something really crazy would have had to happen for me to change my mind on him.
I think it's also scummy that people are saying that I can be scum while completely ignoring the Fidei86 flip. Yes I "bussed" HF last game but read the quicktopic and you'll see that:
- I asked peoples stances on bussing/hard defending, and HF clearly said he is cool with either
- Later on, he said "keep the pressure, I like the pressure, I'm not getting lynch" etc.
- He would get alive=scummed eventually anyway
- I was the roleblocker, he was vanilla
- Fidei was godfather
- HF townread me that game while I scumread him, in this game, Fidei was suspicious of me and I responded by calling him out on his behavior. Doesn't that make sense? Fidei as scum pushing a lot of people for "lurking", me calling him out and pushing for his lynch, beentheredonethat attacking me for it and saying Fidei is town. Like how does this not make sense from a me being town and fidei + possibly beentheredonethat being scum? Explain that to me please. Also explain why I would be so hesistant to post: last game I would make shit up and recklessly vote during night phases, post random reads, sometimes without explanation, etc. Right now I'm clearly trying to actually put effort in the content of what I say....rather than the presentation of it.
I'm sorry if i come off desinterested, I'm not, I just couldn't get myself to read through everything + I am busy
I'll try to get as far as I can and will drop my thoughts, I did plan on dropping a list, but for now I think beentheredonethat is scum and vivax is someone I want to look into more. And I've given a lot of townreads that I still think are town as well but I'll filter them to confirm Self-explanatory. Claims to have filtered people he doesn't like (that's basically me) and admits to not have done anything and excuses. wow. amazing! Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 11:40 Prison Break wrote: I am filtering some people and here are some
hard townreads:
Tumblewood - had him townread prior to claim, then un cc'd blue, probably alive because rb
Tubesock - wants to go for vivax/btdt with I agree with despite him saying earlier he wouldnt, or didnt know how to feel about them, which seems like town progressing his reads, 2nd vote on Fidei
Blazinghand - town, explained this earlier
LightningStrike - "I town here I ready to redeem myself for what happened last!" motived start. Called out "James" early on. Saying he needs to keep an eye on me instead of actually saying what I do is scummy gives him towncred as well. stuff such as "Also btdt's argument is pretty dumb but don't think it makes him scum necessary. It just a dumb argument I feel." shows he at least tries to consider things from multiple angels. "Anyways we do need to figure out who we lynching today since EoD is in 8 hours." tries to keep town on the right track. Voted Fidei at some point. Okay, so you have lots of town reads, fine, but why don't you then filter the others who should at least be scummy to you then, right? right? Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 13:32 Prison Break wrote: yea so based on my reads I'm not buying this claim
but I want to hear from HF + see if someone CC's (unless if grack is right on him being VT, I really suck at judging these sandbag things you guys do here rofl, where I usually play lie=die) ????? "Based on me scumreading BTDT and townrteading a bunch of others, I am not buying this claim!" ?????????? + Show Spoiler [scum is every1 but TW, Grack HF, LS?] +On June 08 2017 05:34 beentheredonethat wrote:Hm dunno to be honest I'd say tubesock but he was #2 to jump on Fidei so - no. hm I don't have a super clear "that guy is scum with PB" thought available, it's more like there's a range of people that could be it. That range is pretty much everyone except TW (claimed doc), Grack, LS, (HF) Hf is brackets because he was super late on fidei Grack/LS hammered fidei and I don't see scum do that leaves a rather short range of people + Show Spoiler [Lynch PB] +On June 08 2017 05:37 beentheredonethat wrote: We should all lynch Prison Break. If people stick to the Vivax lynch, meh. especially HF, like, if he thinks Vivax is town (and he said he feels so) then he should absolutely be brave enough to not lynch the guy. We have a super clear scum wagon where we can deduce enough people to put on our town pile.
The rest of the posts are relating to how Vivax's play if he were to flip town is what btdt did to win the 2017 worst play award. Then he realizes he gave BH some town cred for voting Fidei and finds out BH actually didn't. Doesn't state if his BH read changes.
Page 8 A couple hots(I think?) posts then:
Night 2, Day 3 + Show Spoiler [Points out PB falsehood??] +On June 08 2017 09:07 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 08:38 Prison Break wrote:On June 08 2017 05:59 Holyflare wrote: It's not scummy in the slightest. I'm forfeit from ever being solidly town read in a game by virtue of just being too damn good at scum. For what it's worth I feel like the people not townreading me are doing it cause of me being scum last game mainly. It's no coincidence that you, me and TW all get heavy pressure I feel like people are just ignoring a lot of stuff, like point out scummy things I'm doing, no they ignore Fidei vs me, and the fact my opinion/reads are almost the same as a lot of people. And I'm still someone possible scum but I don't see any good arguments for it That said I do have a problem keeping up with the thread That never happened. - I think he's saying that PB is wrong about getting heavy pressure and no one is townreading him. Which makes sense from btdt since he's been trying to get PB lynched for days and days and no one is listening. + Show Spoiler [sort of scums BH] +On June 08 2017 09:17 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 08:57 Blazinghand wrote:On June 08 2017 08:55 Prison Break wrote:On June 08 2017 08:49 Vivax wrote: Just lynch HF tomorrow. If you flip VT, which I doubt since I think you're scum, then really I don't understand your play at all, and you/others kept saying you wouldn't do this as VT either If HF didn't fake blue, then the real blue would've been outed because why? I don't get it Thought process being used here: 1) assume Tumblewood is real Doctor 2) Assume we only have two blues 3) Vivax claims Cop 4) Now, a hidden Cop thinks, "Vivax must be scum, because I am the real cop" 5) Enough time goes by, if it looks Vivax won't get lynched, the hidden cop counterclaims to make it true 6) this is really convenient for Scum Vivax, because now his final teammate catches a cop 7) this gets averted by HF's fake blueclaim not saying this is true, but this is the thought process From your pre-flip perspective, why shouldn't this be true? This is exactly the scenario that justified your vote on Vivax. Why are you not saying it is true? What else should've been there, pre-flip? 1. You did not vote Fidei 2. You did actively push a mislynch on Vivax That BH/HF scenario from Vivax is perfectly possible in my mind. But I'm really worried about lynching into two of the most active players. Nevertheless, BH, imho you don't have too much towniness to yourself. Then again, you could've pushed me over the line but you were a great help for me to calm down, although at times, it felt like you even overstretched. Humm dumm. I feel like Treebeard humm-homming over things. Has a back and forth with PB wanting him to show where PB wanted Fidei dead. Later PB says multiple times he was flood controlled and couldn't switch votes. btdt also towns HF. + Show Spoiler [list post] +On June 08 2017 09:36 beentheredonethat wrote:So, my town list: Tubesock (voting Fidei #2) Tumblewood (blue claim, un-cc'ed, voting Fidei #3) Grackaroni (had the exact same thoughts about Vivax pre-claim as me, voting Fidei #4 - hammer?) Holyflare (#1774)
Leaves: ritoky LightningStrike (But I think I townread him for some reason earlier already, didn't I?) Blazinghand Conversion (who disappeared) Prison Break ( cased) Is it so easy that a) both newbies are scum together AND both voted outside the scum wagon D1?
Page 9 + Show Spoiler [?'s HF's townread because…] +On June 09 2017 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote: Aight I'm happy with pb. Don't lynch him plz. But why? He didn't put up a good defense, content-wise. He just threw out some posts, including super OMGUS'ing me. He says "Hey, I put up a fight with Fidei" because he wrote three (3) sentences about Fidei over 5 pages of filter. The only possible reason you can have here to not scumread him is that he's a townie that draws very wrong conclusions. In that case, HF, you always call people bad and you did it already. This, together with your weird stance on Vivax ("Gut says town but I'll lynch him anyways") makes me really question your alignment. On June 09 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:It's super stressful to read into your 20 page filter because it has almost completely situational stuff in there, and oneliners like this. It would be of great help if you'd put in the effort to add a "because" to your sentences. + Show Spoiler [sort of forgets HF pushes] +On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote: The really weird thing is that it's almost day 3 and I cannot remember any scumreads nor any pushes from Holyflare. On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote:EBWOP Show nested quote +On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote: The really weird thing is that it's almost day 3 and I cannot remember any scumreads nor any pushes from Holyflare. Of course not saying there aren't some (because angry HF jumps my throat) but I don't think HF every bothered actively pushing for someone in a memorizable way* On June 09 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2017 03:19 LightningStrike wrote:On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote: The really weird thing is that it's almost day 3 and I cannot remember any scumreads nor any pushes from Holyflare. He pushed TW and Vivax..... The Vivax push doesn't count imho. D2 started with Vivax claiming cop and redcheck HF. HF was obliged to scumread Vivax. On June 09 2017 03:34 beentheredonethat wrote: Haha, touché. But now please tell me without diving or anything who HF wants to lynch + Show Spoiler [back and forth with HF's pushes] +On June 09 2017 04:09 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2017 03:39 Holyflare wrote: You think I didn't push anyone in a memorable way but somehow sheeped my tw case day 1???
Like literally quoted my tmi compendium and said it was convincing.
And day 2 doesn't count.
And you say i haven't pushed anyone???? I did not sheep your tw case day 1. I spent D1 crying, whining, and generally being bad. "And day 2 doesn't count" what A vig should really really shoot HF. On June 09 2017 04:16 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2017 04:09 Holyflare wrote: How does knowing my alignment figure out the game more? You think I could do the best cc claim you've seen in a while as mafia?
And no I'm nit talking about grack saying btdt afkd. There was someone who said he raged as mafia. Hm that's right though. I should go back to the "meh I'll lock town HF now" stance On June 09 2017 04:17 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2017 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On June 05 2017 06:59 beentheredonethat wrote: ritoky votes tw i vote tw
I didn't even realize that this was "your" push I townread ritoky for pushing me back then stop being nitpicky about shit - Tells HF to not be nitpicky about shit, and also later that HF has a subtle toxic tone. btdt your hypocrisy is delicious. Far more often than not, you are the one calling people bad or stupid. Then you tell HF to fuck off. It's kinda hilarious.
Page 10 + Show Spoiler [Rit can be scum, PB no townpass] +On June 09 2017 04:44 beentheredonethat wrote: ritoky can very well be scum and I'd like to retract my initial townread. my d1 townread on him was super yolo anyways, actually it's super easy to push D1 btdt.
His appearance around D2 flip time was super bad, he's not really contributing etc.
but I also don't wantto give PB a town pass because all he did was come in, defend himself in a weird way, piss off again. he's super low volume. same for conversion. I think in my filter, there's somewhere a list of people (5-6) that I don't have as locked towns.
we should work on that list, it's good.
+ Show Spoiler [still likes list; summons PB] +On June 09 2017 04:45 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 09:36 beentheredonethat wrote:So, my town list: Tubesock (voting Fidei #2) Tumblewood (blue claim, un-cc'ed, voting Fidei #3) Grackaroni (had the exact same thoughts about Vivax pre-claim as me, voting Fidei #4 - hammer?) Holyflare (#1774)
Leaves: ritoky LightningStrike (But I think I townread him for some reason earlier already, didn't I?) Blazinghand Conversion (who disappeared) Prison Break ( cased) Is it so easy that a) both newbies are scum together AND both voted outside the scum wagon D1? This one. This is a good list. On June 09 2017 04:57 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2017 04:54 Prison Break wrote: I think the most suspicious thing is here who even believes beentheredonethat scumreads me despite me playing differently from last game?
Like he's just tunneling me at this point. I want to believe he's town but I don't think he is. It also doesn't help that I have many townreads as well, I should look into them again in case I'm wrong on BTDT/conversion I like how me mentioning you always summons you into the thread. HF if you can seriously shoot, then shoot PB. + Show Spoiler [PB post is shitty] +On June 09 2017 05:07 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2017 04:56 Prison Break wrote: like I'm not saying scum would always town or scumread me, but the reason has to be genuine, and it seems like btdt is kind of pissed off that I actually came in here to defend myself etc. and people are starting to townread me now. like he doesn't want to let go but he doesn't feel comfortable continuing his push either. but he never really reconsiders. I don't even know what he scumreads me for anymore No really I cannot get over this shitty shit of a post. " like I'm not saying scum would always town or scumread me" What the actual fuck do you mean with that? " but the reason has to be genuine, and it seems like btdt is kind of pissed off that I actually came in here to defend myself etc. and people are starting to townread me now" The reason for someone to read you town or scum has to be genuine. Okay, I understand that. I have several reasons for why I scumread you. You say I'm pissed off that you came in here to defend yourself? No! I think that's great! But your defense is in no way making me town read you. On the contrary, the way you are making up things in your defense (such as "I pushed Fidei pretty hard" which is an outright exaggeration and can very well be seen as a lie) are making me feel better on my scumread. People are starting to townread you now? No! HF does so. For whatever, unstated, super weird reasons, he does so. I guess it's a tone thing or whatever. That is one. And am I mad about this? No, I am not. You need to realize that not everything I say or do is related to you, PB. Of course I'm wondering why HF is townreading you. Because HF said just 24 hours ago that my case on you is solid! So I'm wondering what made HF change his mind. Because I want to understand not only you, but also HF better. " like he doesn't want to let go but he doesn't feel comfortable continuing his push either. but he never really reconsiders" Why would I feel uncomfortable pushing you? Because HF townreads you? Would you please remember that I stated multiple times that I did believe Vivax claim (when everyone(!!!!!) was against Vivax) and that I even hard defended him once he rescineded his flip? Like if I was scum, why would I feel uncomfortable about pushing you if that's the thing people agree with? If that's the thing people townread me for? No, I do not feel uncomfortable! The hell?! Do I look like I reconsider you being scum here? If so, SORRY! It's just me not knowing everything and considering that I might be wrong. Right now, to me, my points have not been disapproved or something so I'm perfectly fine seeing you flip. Holy. " I don't even know what he scumreads me for anymor" How about you check my filter? There you have it multiple times even, partially in conversations, partially in a case. Holy moly. He goes on to tell PB he's scum for not checking the rage quit game he had. And if he had to choose between Ritoky and Grack to lynch he'd lynch Ritoky. + Show Spoiler [Grack is never scum due 4get scummate…] +On June 09 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote: grack is never scum here forgetting fidei in his list post is a town tell. you don't forget your teammates. you simply don't.
I'm super sure grack is town and the more happens, the more I am certain. well good night now
+ Show Spoiler [really want to see flip] +On June 09 2017 07:30 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm really interested to see the flip. Like, really interested. If I were scum, I honestly would know who to kill right now + Show Spoiler [TW is the fakeclaim] +On June 09 2017 16:42 beentheredonethat wrote: So, I won't ve able to do much in the next 24 hours. My stance is that tw is the fake claim. I have a but of paranoia about tw being the real doc but it is unlikely for a couple of reasons (2 prot roles or cop/doc which is strong for town, tw being absent D2, tw claiming only to avert lynch, tw not being killed over BH (like you always kill claimed blue here to prevent what hf did) and even more I think)
Ritoky being cop feels reasonable, HF being vig meh okay ill take it.
btdt ends his last post 21 hours ago with if TW flips town then lynch HF with fire EZPZ.
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On June 11 2017 19:36 beentheredonethat wrote: Ah HF go eff yourself. Your selfrighteousness and hybris is super toxic and im sick of it. Im considering to just commit a bannable offense just to prove you wrong.
He's not toxic. Calm down. This is just a game. And you won't be lynched for days. Ritoky will be first.
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On June 11 2017 19:42 beentheredonethat wrote: No. I will just be mislynched. You say I am scum and you're wrong. Your superplay was wishywashy and weird and it only works because ritoky apparently tilted. Now I get to bite the dust because all my effort was rendered useless because I posted before I realized ritoky was scum.
I am not going to put in more unenjoyable effort now since people will now auto on me next day, thanks, HF. Enjoy the game without me and already count with one mislynch less.
Look dude, you need to learn how to control yourself. We will not auto because I don't want to lose. So if you are town, you will be productive and not cry in your corner. you have something like 144 hours before the next non-set lynch.
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HF,
I am going to go pretty deep into the rest. Is there things in the other players that makes them 100% town in your eyes? Cause frankly, Ritoky giving up so early kinda makes me think we are a bit off otherwise he probably would keep trying till you're dead. Like control the conversation a bit instead of giving it up.
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On June 11 2017 20:10 Holyflare wrote: You highlight a lot of reasons why btdt is mafia though.
I didn't even really explicitly say that him tunneling so hard on PB makes it easy to not have many other scumreads. He's pretty static.
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On June 11 2017 20:19 Holyflare wrote: Tomorrow you will have 5vs2
You should lynch not ritoky because tomorrow will be 100% dead discussion and tube, your biggest asset right now, will die.
Lynching someone else is the most productive thing you can do. It doesn't change how many mislynches you get.
hmm. You're probably right, it'll end up just being PB and I talking.
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On June 11 2017 20:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2017 20:20 Tubesock wrote:On June 11 2017 20:10 Holyflare wrote: You highlight a lot of reasons why btdt is mafia though. I didn't even really explicitly say that him tunneling so hard on PB makes it easy to not have many other scumreads. He's pretty static. Just read what I wrote about him :p. He's constantly "reevaluating" but adding more and more people to scum reads instead of the other way around. His stances on ritoky are very inconsistent. He ignored scum reads on fidei and was wishy washy on him. Etc etc.
Agreed, his Fidei and Ritoky reads both were flimsy as shit.
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I need to pass out. I'll wake up a couple hours prior to flip to ask any new questions I think up.
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On June 12 2017 06:03 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2017 05:59 Holyflare wrote:On June 12 2017 05:56 Grackaroni wrote: I'm being dickish.
But can I ask, am I just in the territory where I'm always a potential mafia?
I'm never going to have like the BH obvious thought process posts because a lot of the things people post about I don't find very telling. No you just haven't done that much. And you afkd to come back yesterday and say ritoky's crumbs didn't make sense but did nothing. So it's fishy. But not btdt fishy. I don't agree really. I sheep voted the first scum and then I told you why you shouldn't lynch Vivax and then I spent the rest of my time pushing Ritoky. I'm not sure what else I could have done other than saving Tumblewood.
I think your fights with Ritoky make you town.
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On June 12 2017 05:44 Grackaroni wrote:One thing I did see that makes me a little hesitant about BTDT scum is that Ritoky was very quick to endorse this case written by him. Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 03 2017 21:32 Prison Break wrote: Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking extremely early game, unless if he's just trying to move the game forward in which case it's not a scumtell
Tumblewoods initial response seemed forced, but the way he got to a townread after it is something I see town do when they realize a push is bad, or scum when they fear people will be onto them. But if tumblewood was scum wouldn't he realize his push was thin to say the least? Like I don't see how he has scum would make such a push just to retract it after, I don't think there was enough pressure on him to already back off from it. Based on this I conclude his change of mind was genuine not calculated, so leaning town on tumblewood despite me not liking his post initially. At least he's also trying to move the game forward which is worth something.
going to throw this out here cause I may be able to get something out of it, and it may help me make reads on people as well: what are some ways to go about catching scum, especially early game? I don't expect/want people to make an entire list because mafia will adapt, but I think a few examples or short answers will help the game move forward. I'll start off, in my experience who I think are "extremely scummy" often end up being town, and the extremely active/inactives as well (although this one isn't a golden rule), and often the people I nullread end up being scum. I think this is because scum wants to blend in and doesn't try to play as townie or as scummy as possible but somewhere in the safe middle. I think last game that would be true for myself as well. The first person PB speaks about is Fidei. Within like 2 sentences, then goes on to rant a lot about how Tumbleweed is something? Only to never pick up his points on Fidei again, but of course pressuring me once he realized ritoky was after me. He doesn't care to really push me though he's just happy to have his vote on me and doesn't care about much else. On June 05 2017 02:34 Prison Break wrote: I will post a list of my reads today - I like where my vote is now (based on page 1/14, reading the rest now) he didn't On June 05 2017 08:45 Prison Break wrote: Really everytime I check the thread nothing happens, and when I'm away it has 20+ pages when I come back lol. I'll see what i can do for now and the reads I won't be able to get to I will post tomorrow he did nothing (besides a votecount, wtf) On June 05 2017 09:18 Prison Break wrote: LOL
I thought I was the lynch, but I got flood control'd and couldn't defend myself, I'm so glad we lynched fidei and that he rolled scum rofl
ok I will use this night to catch up and post a list he didn't On June 05 2017 09:39 Prison Break wrote: I mean how many scum are there. I assume 3? one was fidei. Maybe one was AFK. So you make any conclusions on this based off literally 1 person who did or didn't fight it? It's even in the OP. Three. You should know. You played in Generic II, and you are coached, and you could've asked your coach about this, and you could've read the OP. This is a super constructed dumbtell. On June 06 2017 02:08 Prison Break wrote:On June 05 2017 18:39 beentheredonethat wrote: hahahaha fidei
I would've never caught him
good job Onegu. I'll go back to my retard corner and await the mislynch :D This is suspicious and doesn't realize I tried to kill fidei and HF says I could be scum etc. - why do you think the entire scumteam is trying to kill each other? I think this is very scummy and I wonder if you realized it or just call people scum. You didn't try to kill him. In the final vote count, your vote is not on him. You also didn't push him. + Show Spoiler +On June 05 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Final Vote Count
Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood, Tubesock, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Holyflare Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86, Holyflare, ritoky, beentheredonethat, Tubesock, LightningStrike, Vivax Prison Break (2): Conversion, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Vivax beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, ritoky, Tubesock Vivax (1): Blazinghand, Holyflare, Tubesock, Blazinghand LightningStrike (1): Tumblewood, Holyflare, ritoky Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni, Tubesock, Vivax, Vivax Grackaroni (0): Blazinghand Holyflare (0): LightningStrike, Vivax, Tumblewood, LightningStrike Conversion (0): beentheredonethat
Fidei86 will be lynched.
+ Show Spoiler [Big wall of nothing] +On June 06 2017 09:15 Prison Break wrote: I'll be honest I'm not caught up so I haven't read any questions directed at me
I filtered some people that were the primary lynch targets and gave my opinion on them
No I haven't posted a list but I have given reads on at least half the players which is something
I'm sorry for not engaging as much as I'd like to, it's more because of being busy / I find it hard to read through everything ( like I could read through it quickly, but I prefer to keep looking for connections and read things thoroughly so I tend to read back and filter people while reading, some people take that as me "coming up with the right conclusions based on nothing", but I can tell you if I were mafia I would've just dropped random reads and posts every now and then. But right now I want to actually only post when I'm caught up / when I have good reads because I'm not scum this game. )
I think a lot of people are biased because of last game, and when you realize Tumblewood would've been the lynch prior to claiming, HF has a lot of suspicion, and people want me dead or are suspiciouos of me, I'd say that is the exact scumteam of last people and people should look if we're actually scum again or that it's just a bias.
Like I said my scumread on beentheredonethat is strong, if he has done anything in the last pages that I haven't read yet then I may reconsider, but, he did a lot of really scummy stuff early on which I pointed out so something really crazy would have had to happen for me to change my mind on him.
I think it's also scummy that people are saying that I can be scum while completely ignoring the Fidei86 flip. Yes I "bussed" HF last game but read the quicktopic and you'll see that:
- I asked peoples stances on bussing/hard defending, and HF clearly said he is cool with either
- Later on, he said "keep the pressure, I like the pressure, I'm not getting lynch" etc.
- He would get alive=scummed eventually anyway
- I was the roleblocker, he was vanilla
- Fidei was godfather
- HF townread me that game while I scumread him, in this game, Fidei was suspicious of me and I responded by calling him out on his behavior. Doesn't that make sense? Fidei as scum pushing a lot of people for "lurking", me calling him out and pushing for his lynch, beentheredonethat attacking me for it and saying Fidei is town. Like how does this not make sense from a me being town and fidei + possibly beentheredonethat being scum? Explain that to me please. Also explain why I would be so hesistant to post: last game I would make shit up and recklessly vote during night phases, post random reads, sometimes without explanation, etc. Right now I'm clearly trying to actually put effort in the content of what I say....rather than the presentation of it.
I'm sorry if i come off desinterested, I'm not, I just couldn't get myself to read through everything + I am busy
I'll try to get as far as I can and will drop my thoughts, I did plan on dropping a list, but for now I think beentheredonethat is scum and vivax is someone I want to look into more. And I've given a lot of townreads that I still think are town as well but I'll filter them to confirm Self-explanatory. Claims to have filtered people he doesn't like (that's basically me) and admits to not have done anything and excuses. wow. amazing! On June 06 2017 11:40 Prison Break wrote: I am filtering some people and here are some
hard townreads:
Tumblewood - had him townread prior to claim, then un cc'd blue, probably alive because rb
Tubesock - wants to go for vivax/btdt with I agree with despite him saying earlier he wouldnt, or didnt know how to feel about them, which seems like town progressing his reads, 2nd vote on Fidei
Blazinghand - town, explained this earlier
LightningStrike - "I town here I ready to redeem myself for what happened last!" motived start. Called out "James" early on. Saying he needs to keep an eye on me instead of actually saying what I do is scummy gives him towncred as well. stuff such as "Also btdt's argument is pretty dumb but don't think it makes him scum necessary. It just a dumb argument I feel." shows he at least tries to consider things from multiple angels. "Anyways we do need to figure out who we lynching today since EoD is in 8 hours." tries to keep town on the right track. Voted Fidei at some point. Okay, so you have lots of town reads, fine, but why don't you then filter the others who should at least be scummy to you then, right? right? On June 06 2017 13:32 Prison Break wrote: yea so based on my reads I'm not buying this claim
but I want to hear from HF + see if someone CC's (unless if grack is right on him being VT, I really suck at judging these sandbag things you guys do here rofl, where I usually play lie=die) ????? "Based on me scumreading BTDT and townrteading a bunch of others, I am not buying this claim!" ??????????
I'm not making the connection here. Why does Ritoky endorsing or not endorsing this case mean anything for btdt?
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Let's honor Holyflare and lynch btdt.
He's right, we should wait to lynch Ritoky. Ritoky wants us to lynch him, so we should obviously do the opposite of what confirmed mafia wants. Ritoky wants an auto lynch. You guys all said that RNG is bad because it kills town conversation. Auto-lynch does the same thing.
We have nothing to lose. We can "shenany" back onto Ritoky if the vote looks close near the end. We will have another lynch to go, and if we get this right then Ritoky will concede. The dangers of Ritoky vote manipulating are less than the dangers of silent town.
Do it for the memory of Holyflare. Do it for the children.
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On June 12 2017 21:32 Conversion wrote: so any thots on who the last guy is or is this ded gaem
Right now I think it's btdt. He's the scummiest by a good margin.
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On June 11 2017 19:29 Holyflare wrote: I have never been so certain of something in my life. This game is over.
I'm so certain that you should in fact lynch btdt BEFORE ritoky. You don't lose any mislynches I don't think and the game will be over far far quicker.
On June 11 2017 20:19 Holyflare wrote: Tomorrow you will have 5vs2
You should lynch not ritoky because tomorrow will be 100% dead discussion and tube, your biggest asset right now, will die.
Lynching someone else is the most productive thing you can do. It doesn't change how many mislynches you get.
He's talking to me, not saying I'm towns biggest asset. He's saying that he's towns biggest asset (due to him getting everyone to talk). He's saying that active town is the only way to win.
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On June 12 2017 21:42 Conversion wrote: yeah I can agree with that. I'll post my vote back on BTDT and I think when it's not 8:42 AM EST we can talk about it more
I encourage the talking
I think we should policy not lynch Ritoky until T minus 1 hour to eod. Like he should be off the table till then.
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His last day was definitely desperate to fling shade on everyone and hoping something would stick.
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He had a list post with TW as "meh dunno" then HF posted a big TW TMI compendium and was like wow then Ritoky voted TW and btdt said "Ritoky votes TW, I vote TW."
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oh and thought TW was the fakeclaim pretty quickly (as did most people really sans me).
He was ok with the TW lynch. He towned TW for a shortwhile before the claim wars. Otherwise he didn't have much to say about TW.
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