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On June 02 2017 04:19 Tumblewood wrote: one out of thirteen players has confirmed, I do not trust this game to not be dead I think others /confirmed via pm. | ||
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On June 03 2017 08:44 LightningStrike wrote: It been a long time since we played with each other how it been? Life has been pretty good. I don't think I've played since November? How's school going? Summer break yet? I'm glad you're playing again. | ||
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BH, it's been an hour since you targeted Vivax. No vote yet, how committed are you to this? You don't seem like you're pushing conversation (haven't answered Grack yet). | ||
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On June 03 2017 10:04 Tumblewood wrote: the fuck is this shit hard to keep up with this flurry of 10 posts? that were all one-liners? and you're tryna call someone out for not pushing their rng? I can't even keep this post short while trying to vocalize everything stupid about it. if this isn't for reactions I wanna lynch you for being this bad you don't think that was a hilarious joke? SOooo you're not having fun are you? | ||
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uh the not keeping up with half a page of one liners. 4 by one peron.... SInce no one is talking, what are your thoughts on BH's RNG lynch? Do you think anything about it? | ||
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On June 03 2017 10:23 Tumblewood wrote: basically meaningless. the reason I don't like how you are trying to discuss bh not keeping his push it whatever is because bh has done effectively nothing and you are trying to discuss the nothing So I should discuss Prison Breaks "Hi" post instead or Gracks? BH had the most "interesting" post at that point. Seemed logical. I did actually entertain filter diving LightningStrike cause I think that's funny too with 4 posts or whatever he had at the time. With some conditions I'm absolutely fine with a RNG lynch. What do you say to that? | ||
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At first with TW I thought he was also just trying hard to move the thread forward too. But thinking about it this morning, I kinda think that he was not at all interested in finding truth but a target. He doesn't know or asked to know my frame of mind or what's behind what I said. It was just "all sorts of bad". Everyone else is basically null. | ||
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On June 04 2017 06:35 Grackaroni wrote: I'm about to go to dinner but I can go into a bit of detail later tonight. People I'm liking: Ritoky Prison Break LightningStrike Conversion. (This one will seem weird. But I liked the tone of his post) People I'm disliking: Btdt Blazinghand (from experience with Blazinghand) The rest haven't interested me too much. And I think there's been way too much focus on what happened between Tubesock and Tumblewood when neither of their posts were too interesting to me. What don't you like about btdt? | ||
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I get the vote all liars bit, but I think it was clear Grack didn't see how BH got the post number and was wondering if it's changed since his last game with him. I think BH is grossly overeggagerating and misrepresenting things on Grack. Who to be fair hasn't done anything towny, but still. | ||
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I'm also going to townlean Conversion. I think he's trying, and actually trying to work for the betterment of town. He's wrong on me, I've posted reads and what I've thought when I am around. I'm not sure what I think about btdt. Grack hasn't done anything towny, but I'm giving him a pass because I think BH is going a tad ridiculous. | ||
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On June 04 2017 09:55 Tumblewood wrote: been reading through bh's meta. scratch what I said about him, he's town Explain this. | ||
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On June 04 2017 10:13 Tumblewood wrote: i read through bh's past games. his filter resembles the ones where he is town and not the ones where he is scum lol ok. I pretty much figured that part out when you said you looked at his previous games and said he's town...this isn't an explanation at all. You stalling or something? BH has done 0. I think he's had 1 actual real post of usefulness. Everything is mostly blowing Gracks "Lie" way out of proportion. It's hard for me to not see the world where both you are mafia, you jump on me for throwing suspicion on him, then back off because I am willing to fight. Then you weakly say you could lynch BH, but then retract for shit reasons. | ||
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BH and TW for already stated reasons. btdt because I don't like nitpickers or martyrs. He's wrong on Conversion, if newbie excuses were the entire content of Cons post then he'd be right but Conversion posts reads and explains them. I'm fine with HF and TW being in the same category. I mean you're HF the one who survives red checks. And I'm pretty convinced the mods messed up in generic and mislabeled your role when you died. | ||
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On June 05 2017 03:43 Vivax wrote: Cause fidei had an opinion that somehow was different than mine and ritoky at points, whom I also TR. And having a weird/different opinion doesn't make people mafia. Cause Tumble I think is town this game since he doesn't just try to get along with everyone while his tone suggests town. And lynch BH cause he didn't take the opportunity to display a desire to solve the game when he had the content available He is trying to get along. Or at least avoid confrontation. The meta read on BH is total bullshit. And towning me for being bad is also bullshit. | ||
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V I don't think it's a leap to say BH may want to do nothing day one. Not many people enjoy the shitshow that day one is. So I have a difficult time scumming HF for saying BH is a coin flip. Everything else he says seems logical and towny. Plus if he's mafia HF is making things more difficult for himself. | ||
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Vote: Tumbles | ||
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Looking at more stuff with Vivax and his progression. I didn't like his last reads and his colored vote analysis post seemed wrong. HF could be mafia sure. I think he's needlessly making things more difficult for himself if he were. | ||
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HF, so why are you all of a sudden ready to lynch BH??? I don't want to lynch LS. But it's only cause he's LS and he makes me laugh. Haven't read him yet. | ||
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It is. I thought we started at three yesterday and assumed deadline was 3 today. | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:15 Holyflare wrote: where has vivax gone? can we ninja lynch him? :D Yes. | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:30 Tumblewood wrote: but you know what hf? i would be totally fine with not lynching you today. we just need an alternative who isn't an active townie trying to solve the game. as in not vivax, bh, ls, or grack How is Grack, LS, or BH "active?" | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:30 Tumblewood wrote: i'm 90% sure no one but you cares about the stupid bh meta thing False. | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:38 Holyflare wrote: I don't think btdt is mafia, why do you? He played the whine enough qq card pretty hard. That's why I think he's mafia. Throwing out emotions so people feel sorry for him. I felt like his crusade on new guy was opportunistic. So many people do that. Show they "care" like that. Bleh. | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:40 Onegu wrote: Fword Dude post after my post changes nothing of my thought on him. The BH thing is something BH would do as any alignment. And what he is saying about conversion isnt a scum tell. Then he flips the read to town for a dumbtell? He does scum read TW and that is also a scum read of mine though. Meh Likeing HF calling out fword dude. Grack still wanting lynch BH for the RNG thing. Sigh PLZ STAHP Dont understand the Ritoky BTDT thing... HOLY SHIT CONVERSIONS USES CORRECT SPELLING AND PUNCTUATION HE IS SCUM!!! dumbest thing I have read in a while... HF to the rescue Tube wanting to lynch HF because he is the guy who survives red checks. Not a reason to day 1 lynch someone... Conversion missed my big post. T_T Then he sees it yay. Also I love his posts wont lynch him. GOD I LOVE ME SOME HF THIS GAME! Vivax makes a shit post on why PB post was bad. PB post was a good post. HF tells vivax his post was good. HF is like reading my mind 3 hours before I think it! BTDT wants to lynch PB... I dont know if I just disagree with all of BTDT reads or if BTDT is scum... I think its the former... Like BTDT post on FWORD dude Ritoky's point 1 on why HF is town is wrong. HF tries harder as scum and cares more. The rest makes HF town though... <3 BH the Ancient God of Mafia Bored of the HF and Vivax back and forth. I'll read Fword quickly if I can. I never said I'd be willing to vote HF. I was defending someone for having him and TW in the scum list. | ||
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PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible. | ||
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On June 06 2017 08:14 Blazinghand wrote: Dude if you ever thought I wasn't hyper aware of how this game works you were wrong. I've been playing Mafia for years and although I am not the best player, and am a bit rusty, I still have lots of experience under my belt. Never dismiss me for being newbie or not getting something. I may have fun while I play but don't write me off: I'm also a highly intelligent, attractive, charming, successful with the ladies, muscular, rich, tall, well-liked fellow who really just is the best at everything, single ladies, so call me any time well not any time but you get the idea rip in peace this would be a great time to be like "haha I was fakeclaiming the whole time nice try scumteam" to WIFOM them into shooting someone else, maybe your target I do have a weakness for wanting hilarious / interesting people to live. It would be twice as rad if you did towny things though. | ||
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On June 06 2017 08:25 Tumblewood wrote: you know, I would do that, but there's no clear save target and I'm not terribly excited to keep playing this game, despite how clearly this town depends on me to find scum You make jokes too! | ||
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Would a town Tumblewood fakeclaim to stay alive? Is there a world where HF is fakeclaiming Vet as town? | ||
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On June 06 2017 10:43 Prison Break wrote: Why, is there only 1 blue / game? Another doc sure but idk why cop/vig claims? Vig should probably claim if they tried shooting someone. | ||
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Seems pretty insane to fakeclaim a redcheck. Mafia's already down 1, I don't think that's a good trade for lynching HF and being able to use a shot on someone else. HF while looking very towny, hasn't done anything that mafiaHF couldn't do. | ||
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On June 06 2017 15:00 Blazinghand wrote: vivax fakeclaimed vet? I'm assuming he misstyped Vivax in lieu of Holyflare. Outside the Viv vs HF thing (unless you have something nonobvious to add), who's your last mafia? | ||
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I"m just having a hard time with reading you. You're only scums I can really tell from your filter are Grack and Vivax. Who I basically agree with. But if you only reason for scumming Grack is he lied about the RNG business, I don't like that. (Vivax will settle himself shortly anyway). Are there other's you are considering, or are you basically just hanging out to wait and see? Where is your head? | ||
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Maybe in a few days but from what I read of both your filters, I'll be lynching you before him. | ||
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So, basically now we can just talk about who is the last mafia. | ||
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On June 06 2017 16:05 Grackaroni wrote: What's wrong with my filter? I like Ritoky's filter better. Your argument with him just isn't convincing to me. Basically, he's scum because he only talked about him once (and scummed him) but called you out because you should have said something about Fidei? I towned you earlier because of your shitfight with BH and you scummed btdt. But then later only had 1 guess and that was BH. I also don't like how it's fairly difficult to keep track of your reads. I'm having a hard time believing the whole emotional btdt is town bit. And think he's more likely mafia than you. or anyone else outside the Cop stuff. | ||
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On June 06 2017 16:15 Blazinghand wrote: So much faulty logic in this post.. Ok well first off, now that you've made this post, Vivax will not rescind right? lol "If we decide to lynch Vivax first, and he is cop then we just gave mafia a free nightkill." If we decide to lynch HF first and Vivax is lying scum we ALSO just gave mafia a free kill :/ so like while technically your statement is true it is highly misleading because it implies the reverse isn't true. I said we lynch HF unless Vivax rescinds then lynch Vivax. How is that faulty? True they do get a free nk anyway. I guess I'm trying to figure out the worst case scenario. Like I don't really want to be the town that kills the cop with a red check and later the redcheck. But Vivax outside of his claim looks pretty scummy. | ||
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On June 06 2017 16:26 Grackaroni wrote: Ritoky doing that isn't TMI but me not voting Tumblewood like a non-baddie is TMI somehow. Now you're confusing me. I thought this was about Fidei? | ||
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On June 06 2017 16:31 Blazinghand wrote: WHY WOULD VIVAX RESCIND AFTER YOU WRITE THIE POST? this is literally a self-defeating post. If you say to someone, "if you rescind your claim, we will lynch you" then they will absolutely not rescind their claim, ESPECIALLY if they are scum. ??? isn't this obvious??? I highly doubt that a player like Vivax would choose to not rescind because I said that. | ||
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But they're right on Vivax having a reputation for not doing anything as scum and this is a great way to both not do anything and destroy the town by killing its leader. Hmm | ||
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Why continue fighting that battle? This could be a Hail Mary to set up the last partner for endgame. | ||
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On June 07 2017 04:01 beentheredonethat wrote: Vivax whole D1 was super contrary to "has a reputation for not doing anything as scum" He's put in work. But he also screwed Ticktock and I with the bare minimum activity to avoid modkill when we were partners. | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:37 Grackaroni wrote: I'm not taking the blame for that shit fight. That was all Blazinghand acting stupidly and me responding. And that was one of he reasons I scummed BH. | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:38 Blazinghand wrote: btw this was a joke, all grack related shit is on hold until this day is over Why? Vivax/HF is on auto. If someone has something to say about they certainly can, but you guys have been saying the same things over. The only thing that changed really was Vivax made an attempt to appear towny and save himself then disappeared. Personally, when I see an emotional town person who wants to win they'll put in as much effort as they can even knowing they will die. I've seen people spew every little dumb thing in their brain to give town an edge when they die. They have a shitfit and quit but come back. Like btdt. I've seen town quit too, but mafia just won't ever be able to do that. Vivax just quit and with his eod stuff and anger of a scum lynch, I don't see him being anything but mafia. | ||
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On June 08 2017 18:26 Holyflare wrote: I don't think it's ls so much anymore. :D What did you find? | ||
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LS, Who do you trust? Aside from HF, who do you want to kill? I don't need reasons. Are you still only suspicious of two people? Let's talk about who holds your interest at the moment. If no one in particular stands out, can you pick one of Grack, PB, BH or btdt? I've seen things I've liked and disliked of all of them. | ||
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On June 08 2017 21:20 Holyflare wrote: Tubesock who do you think is mafia? I'm starting to think more about BH. I realized I don't trust him. He's said pretty towny things and makes me laugh. He's really buddying up to you and I think that's shady. Reminds me too much of Darth P(something) and Geript. He gives the token "oh I distrust HF totally" blah blah but would follow any of your plays. I don't for a second think he's "keeping his eye on you". Grackish. Sometimes I like what he says but most the time I don't like what he's doing. I've read his filter several times. I feel like I'm reading Batsnacks. His shit fight with Ritoky made me realize I need to reread them both. Grack reminds me of me sometimes. Some vet would scum me and I'd lose my shit because of some weird detail that no one gets and I shit the thread up. Grack says Ritoky is hypocritical for scumming him for not talking about Fidei. But to me it's pretty clear Ritoky is saying that Grack should have talked about him because he towned him enough to scum you for thinking F is scum. So I'm trying to reread and figure that out. I just reread PB. Did you realize that about 90% of his posts are apology or excuses? Just count the ones that he's "I'm super busy" or some such thing. He's no dumby, if he has the terrible luck of rolling mafia twice in two games he knows he can't post like last time. His perfection was called out. | ||
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On June 08 2017 21:24 Holyflare wrote: LS only scum reads me because I trolled him and he didn't even realise. I think he's town just because he's so unintentionally hilarious. Scum=mafia in every forum. Holy shit I love it. | ||
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On June 08 2017 21:18 Holyflare wrote: I dunno his being unsure and repeatedly stating his town meta is being unsure got to me in a way. It's dumb but I dunno. Just saw this. I also think him not having any legit scum reads probably means he's town. He wouldn't ever not have a couple scum targets as mafia. | ||
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On June 08 2017 21:38 Blazinghand wrote: Do you actually not think even for a second that I am keeping my eye on HF? tsk tsk Semantics. You're definitely in tune with him. So I guess you DO have your eye on him. | ||
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On June 08 2017 21:38 Holyflare wrote: Pb's filter is all excuses? Just the post coint excuses or what? I haven't actually read his filter it's just that he's so tonally different to me in every post I see. Just quickly read through. The vast majority have some excuse in them. | ||
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On June 08 2017 21:43 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah like in fact the reason I am suspicious of him is THAT I am in tune with him. Probably the towniest thing HF has done in the last 12 hours is throw some token suspicion on me. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's your tone that I distrust. Maybe it's the moving box story and knowing that you will say anything for townyness AND you know what to say. I really liked how you handled talking to btdt and Vivax yesterday. Well some were dick posts in the beginning but you calmed him down and I think town is better for it. Like I don't think mafia would want a towny to be able to give a last will and testament. You provided that to town. Wether that was intentional or your mafia and fucked up I don't really know lol | ||
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On June 08 2017 21:44 Holyflare wrote: Can you link me his filter in hearthstone filter? :p I have no idea how to do that? I don't even know what you're asking | ||
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On June 08 2017 21:56 LightningStrike wrote: If I had a gun to my head probably PB but it only because I townread the others and didn't really read his filter which I should do at some point. I'm looking for his rational for not voting Fidei. He said somewhere that Fidei was the one he pushed the most. But PB was there at eod and didn't vote him? | ||
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On June 08 2017 21:56 LightningStrike wrote: If I had a gun to my head probably PB but it only because I townread the others and didn't really read his filter which I should do at some point. What about Ritoky, Conversion? | ||
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His only game listed in the database he was vig http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469267-fantasy-football-mafia-mini-2 he shot and killed Rayne on N1. Holyflare, they guy who dies N1,N2 in every game he's town.... | ||
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On June 09 2017 23:30 Tumblewood wrote: hold on one hot second actually. i know for a fact that no one but me has gotten the pm saying "you were roleblocked". so either we don't have or haven't been using our rb this whole game if i'm mafia. To be fair, you could be lying and they RB'd the dead as they shot them. | ||
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On June 10 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote: From my PoV it's one of Covnersion, PB, and Tubesock by PoE alone. PB seems likely town by meta. So that leaves Conversion and Tubesock as my last scum there. Tubesock did vote 2nd on James but if TW was the roleblocker he probably would do that bus honestly. Conversion I liked some of his posts after I read his filter a bit but his weird reaction to the flip seems odd defending himself about being a team with PB. So ya One of Tubesock and Conversion is my last scum you? I would bus both TW and Fidei on D1? No one was paying attention to Onegu until I jumped on Fidei. The PB wagon was already trying to gain momentum I think, why wouldn't I have jumped on that if PB is town? | ||
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On June 10 2017 06:51 Prison Break wrote: You had TW as 3rd scumread and only "bussed" him until his blue claim And I'm not sure if you made comments on fidei or just voted him? I just voted him. | ||
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On June 10 2017 06:54 Holyflare wrote: Let's be real, you were in no position to divert my wagon of justice off TW. Furthermore, if TW is rb like I said then moving to the gf makes perfect sense because it gives tw an excuse. And like you said, if everyone is ignoring fidei then what's the harm jumping on his wagon? Purely speculation at this point but I really hate your return to thread after liking you all game and I'm disappointed. No you only hate my return because I'm the only one who thinks that you are fake claiming. I have a really difficult time believing that you who primarily gets NK'd in the first few nights would hold your vigi shot. | ||
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On June 10 2017 07:17 Holyflare wrote: But there's really 0 reason for me to claim at that point. If I'm mafia with someone I would have had a giant lynch pool of almost the entire game. There's simply 0 point to ne claiming now. I disagree though. You must have a viable reason to why you're alive. Vivax wanted you dead. BH was hinting at suspicion. I think you killed BH before his suspicion could turn into a real threat. And he was the only really active town person so with him gone you have guaranteed control of town. You can take advantage of TW's lack of interest this game and everyones willingness to lynch him. By proactively claiming, you look more legitimate. If you waited another day you risk a reactive claim which people will be less likely to believe. | ||
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On June 10 2017 07:24 Holyflare wrote: I didn't think there was a cop because I'm not mafia Don't want to get into hypothetical fairy land. I'm just simply town vig that didn't want to get into a claim war, wanted your bull shit to end if you didn't die and didn't want to lose us a mislynch. Uhm how does that make sense? | ||
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On June 10 2017 07:45 ritoky wrote: alright fuck it bois. ritoky btdt grackaroni conversion PB we down to auto this shit? any objection? auto's probably fine. My tinfoil is running that it's HF and LS. but it's really stupid. Well HF for reasons I just posted, and LS partly for POE but also HF's trolling scumming on LS. HF banning LS from using meta prevents LS from towning the entire town: | ||
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On June 10 2017 08:06 Prison Break wrote: You claimed blue while you was going to get lynched And now you say blue never does that? Aka you're mafia He's saying that if you're blue and you think you are going to be Night Killed then there isn't much reason to claim at night. You'll flip anyway (and even more likely to draw fire) | ||
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On June 10 2017 08:10 Prison Break wrote: Ok so HF pushing LS the entire game and LS getting mad is stages? Or is LS legit mad HF is bussing him? I'm pretty biased right now, but yeah could be fake pushing LS (he did say he was trolling him) and I definitely see LS getting pissed HF is busing him. And LS can fake the rage too, he did it in one of his scum games a bit ago. Was towned because he used CAPSLOCK once. But I don't think HF is really the type to bus both partners d1. So, I'm trying to read and think about his conviction of really wanting to lynch LS or just motivating him to post more and get townread. | ||
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On June 10 2017 10:18 Holyflare wrote: Tubesock's actions today are beyond redeemable. He came to the thread after town reading me all game and pulled up bad meta to scum read me despite me explaining why I didn't shoot and then waited 20 minutes to ask a shit question and leave again. His play style has been pop in and drop a post and leave again all game. Even if his content appeared good at the time the posts pb quotes the more I look at them the more empty they actually are. He isn't concerned about figuring out the game while the two newbies are generally puzzled and exploring. Ls rage quit but he's done thay exact phrasing before as town and also his meta is different to the scum ones i read where he throws out free town reads all game. Grack/btdt are green checks but in the event ritoky is mafia you should still probably trust those checks. I looked into grack's meta and it's different to this game and btdt too. The main reason tube was town read was fidei. But in the event tw is a rber then tube's play makes a lot more sense. He even admitted he went on fidei when everyone was ignoring onegu. Possible he didn't think it would gain traction. Tube is also one of the only people i didn't filter dive last night so it makes sense. Bad meta? It's just pure logic. I don't believe you'd hold your shot for days and days. How often do you last till Day 3 even? You replaced in a game with Ticktock and I and we killed you 3 hours after you replaced in. I don't see how it's possible you would hold your shot. Most the time people shoot Night 1 in case they die D2/N2. I "pop in" and leave a lot because I have a job that works weird hours and I'm in an off timezone anyway so often there isn't anyone around. I just don't use it as an excuse like others in every game they play. | ||
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On June 10 2017 10:26 Holyflare wrote: I will never ever ever ever shoot if we lose a mislynch. Never. ESPECIALLY when I don't have a scum read. You mean like you didn't scum Vivax? And even btdt? I'm not even counting Fidei and Tumblewood. | ||
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On June 05 2017 03:39 Holyflare wrote: Why not BTDT who scum reads exclusively newbies and refuses to talk about the rest of the people in the game? Whose current push is calling a guy a liar for phone posting because he did it once in a game. But the problem is he's been called out on it and the guy he's pushing looks towny. He pushed PB similarly and instantly dropped it because I said it was mediocre. Weird patterns. On June 05 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote: Vivax could be mafia | ||
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On June 10 2017 10:37 Holyflare wrote: Tube there is no pire logic. You quoted one mafoa game many many years ago from me in my prime where I could devote full days with no job to this one. Then you compared to totally different situations. That game is veru different in the facy we basically got all mafia n1 and the game ended d2 with a guy conceding. I gave you a reason why i didn't shoot, you neber replied and you haven't even mentioned any content from this game to base a scum read on for today. Everyone else in the game is referencing gameplay from throughout the game, the dubious claim from Tw, the nature of my play all game knowing I'm blue and you ckme in basing a read off old meta in a game with different circumstances. There is no way you aren't mafia. My scum reads n1 were all up in the air and we just lynched mafia. I was still suspicious of tw but I'm never gonna shoot him when he's unCCd so i looked fot other people. N2 i had sent an LS shot at 11pm and then went meta diving and found out ls was very likely not mafia and sent in no shot. Deal with it fooooolz. I didn't reply because I simply don't believe your reasoning. I don't see much point in arguing about this with you, you wouldn't make a claim without already knowing all your answers. They will be thought out and reasonable. Of course you're goign to make sense and people will believe your reasons for not shooting. You're brilliant at arguing. My point is that the odds of someone, anyone really, holding their shot is super super low. And considering how prolific of a night kill you are, I just don't see it. I get you are claiming that you would prefer to die without shooting, but my point is that most everyone playing on this site shoots and won't hold. They even just shoot big question marks like ALakaslam, or Chezinu or some other mega lurker. I'm just not buying it. Tumblewood could be scum sure. It would have been really helpful if he put in noticeable work since his claim. So yeah he looks scummy, but I think mafia!Holyflare has more to gain and this world being more likely. Ritoky's claim looks good to me. I think it would be way too obvious to just drop all discussion of btdt. So maybe he did to pretect himself I don't know. | ||
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On June 10 2017 12:44 Prison Break wrote: Here's the thing Would HF mafia claim vig that hold his shot over doc/cop? Why not? He can call his shot later and "prove" himself. He could be hedging and being proactive to avoid town turning on him and killing him for being alive. | ||
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On June 10 2017 20:03 Holyflare wrote: You think i don't think I'd have a good reason to be alive with a doctor claim and a guy that pushed mafia d1 dying? I don't know what you're doing. I think you have an excuse for another night but the next day you'll need some reason. I'm answering PB's question. He is saying mafia!HF wouldn't claim vig over doc/cop. I'm saying that you could and it's not a reason to town you. | ||
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On June 10 2017 20:20 Holyflare wrote: Yeh but I'm town Ok. This will resolve fairly soon. We lynch one of you. One of the 3 of you are mafia. I don't think there would be 3 pr's in the game but I suppose it's not impossible. Mafia has to decide who to kill and then we know the last one's alignment 100%. Really after this next day / night we will just have to choose between me, LS, PB and Conversion as we would be the only non-confirmed. Although btdt and Grack wouldn't be confirmed if Ritoky is mafia. But I think if Rit is mafia then Grack isn't. | ||
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On June 10 2017 20:28 Holyflare wrote: Let's be real here Tubesock, the rest of the game can tell the claims apart, or at least that I'm town, but why can't you after town reading me the entire game? Furthermore, of the three people that have claimed I am the only one of them that is going back through the filters, asking the claimed people questions and weighing up the facts, why aren't you? Then the fact still lies that ritoky's check on btdt doesn't particularly make the slightest bit of sense but people keep saying it does, why is that? Tw's claimed under pressure and not died for 2 cycles and tmi'd all of day 1 and afkd the rest, why is that? He blindly states ritoky's claim also makes the most sense when it doesn't. Why? I don't think you've done anything that mafia!HF can't do. I would have believed you if you claimed something other than vig. I looked back at their filters. I think the answers will be there. People usually plan their fake claims a couple days in advance so there's no way they don't have precanned answers for the predictable questions that we will have. I am considering Ritoky for the points you brought up. I haven't researched how Ritoky does claims but that's on my to do list. Part of me thinks that he would put in work so that it's not too obvious to mafia that he just checked someone. I am wondering why he still checked btdt, but am willing for him to answer as he's already been asked in thread. | ||
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On June 10 2017 20:32 Holyflare wrote: Btdt is town if you bothered to check his meta once like you apparently did for me. Grack linked it earlier, totally different. LS is likely town due to being lost and not blindly calling everyone town. Pb is very likely town due to his wildly different play and coherent posts instead of picking a player to be mafia and then showing how he got to the conclusion. Conversion just posts good things all the time. Then there's you who just throws light suspicion at everyone, who doesn't base his reads today on gameplay, who instead fights tbe corner 90% of the game isn't fighting. I generally only use meta when I've had personal experience with someone. I guess technically I used "meta" about the vig thing but it was to see if you have in fact held your shot before. It is certainly not a common occurrence. You also said I post good things all the time and even loved that I posted something about BH. But because I'm going against you right now is the only reason you think I'm scum. How often does mafia actually go against 90% of the game vs just piling on TW who has been under suspicion all game? | ||
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On June 10 2017 20:59 Holyflare wrote: When tw is mafia and has done nothing redeeming and claimed under pressure of a case you sheeped then yes mafia tube does go against the thread to save his team. Seems better to bus him and have killed both my scum mates. WIFOM at best. | ||
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Do you guys not think that he's on a timer if he's mafia? I don't know why mafia!HF would pick vig to fakeclaim. But it's not something I think is super outlandish. What I do think is outlandish is someone holding their shot for days. Especially when they generally die early on. | ||
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On June 11 2017 09:21 Prison Break wrote: so any odds it's BTDT + ritoky now? guy legit did nothing but go "lynch TW then HF also PB is scum" then leave It could be though. Need to reread their interactions with confirmed town HF and TW. I never liked emotion types of TR's. Too many people have exploited that. | ||
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Grack how does that not narrow our pool by a lot? | ||
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Over the next 96 hours or so I'm going to be compiling what I can of the non-confirmed people. I think the rest will be much less detailed, this took way too long to get all the quotes in. I'll be doing about 1 per real life day for the day after ritoky's lynch. beentheredonethat The "towny" things that btdt has done is basically showed emotional rage and threatening to quit, and staying in a tunnel on basically 1 person all game. Neither make him town. I think his rage bit is set up and fake. He nitpicks Conversion for typing "b/c" and HF rightfully calls it ridiculous. Then btdt antagonizes a bit more (scumflare), and claims that people are calling him dumb/bad. When it wasn't till much much later. 400 or so posts later Onegu says he read the dumbest thing ever on TL Mafia and that was the "b/c" scumread. But btdt was already working himself up. His flip flop on Ritoky really looks like a partner who is mad that they got some suspicion. I'm still looking for actual reasons why he scumread Ritoky early on. It looks solely OMGUS and it's weak too. Seeing how btdt was a "cop check" it's so easy to see this world where they did this on purpose too. Ritoky could drop talking about btdt and later explain it, and btdt could just remain focused on killing the newbies. His scumread depth extends as deep as OMGUS and nitpicking. Oh, and Prison Break is "calm". Which is funny since he's playing the out of control emotion card so hard. btdt I don't think you're bad at all. I'd say you're better player than I am, but this game you have pretty good chances of flipping mafia. btdt's votes: Day 1 = Day 2 = Day 3 = Tumblewood His sheep of Ritoky makes no sense at all. Ritoky is town because Rit told btdt to talk about someone other than btdt or Conversion? That's enough to sheep someone for? What? Anyway, it's late. The rest is basically a rundown of btdt's filter for easier access to fact check. I will do a couple others in the coming days but likely a more truncated version of this one. I think btdt has good odds of flipping scum. I will check the others first though. Day 1 Page 1 (Not all post) + Show Spoiler [towns TW&TS; defends Grack] + On June 03 2017 23:21 beentheredonethat wrote: Tumblewood missing Tubesock's joke in disformation fashion, full frontal. I rate that as a towny thing. The joke itself is kinda NAI, too, but then again, why would scum start to push ahead a game when they can just rely on a lackluster game start with the EU people still asleep? I feel like Tubesock is town here, too. This post feels super weird. First of all, you're here as a newbie, you're not supposed to judge if something's "cool" or not, right? The content of your post is supercorrect yet super obvious, so you do not add any value at all to the discussion. I do agree with this post. Except I wouldn't put Grack on the scum pile yet because in Generic II, he played like this all game and was town. That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? + Show Spoiler [PB is wordy] + On June 03 2017 23:25 beentheredonethat wrote: This is weird, again. First thing: Hard statement. "Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking". Second thing: feels a bit wishy-washy but it also makes sense - then again, it's a lenghty version of "I don't think scum would do that so he must be town". Third thing: super irrelevant things. This is not a discussion about "how to play mafia". This is an actual game of mafia. PB is making a lot of words about not very much. + Show Spoiler [4 nonreads] + On June 03 2017 23:26 beentheredonethat wrote: I'll check this thread every now and then for the next 4-8 hours but don't expect too much On June 03 2017 23:56 beentheredonethat wrote: My motive is that I want to point out things I find to be weird. My problem is that I cannot judge right now if the things I find weird are scum or town indicative. Having read your posts in Generic II, I think it's rather easy to put you on the scum pile. On June 03 2017 23:56 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm really interested in finding out what others think about the points I mentioned. On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote: shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. On June 04 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote: no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner yes I'm going to bed now no I'm not scum + Show Spoiler [Towns LS] + On June 04 2017 23:03 beentheredonethat wrote: Hm okay. I like that point of view because you've been scum with him in generic II, so you're quite capable of judging it imho. I rate the "LS votes HF" thing townish for LS. ritoky is super investing into the HF filter quoted by LS which is a super town tell IMHO, I wouldn't put in that effort if I was scum. But I do know I'm lazy so.. meh, maybe ritoky isn't. But that plus the fact that ritoky fearlessly pushes around people (me), keeps on adding value etc, he's on the town pile. + Show Spoiler [Not "pushing" Conversion] + On June 04 2017 23:08 beentheredonethat wrote: Well I'm not exactly pushing you. It's more like it feels weird that you say "hey, I'm here" and then you leave again. That's just not helping. If you feel like helping, then at least make people ask you questions. "What do you think about the exchange of HF/TW?" "What do is your stance on Vivax?" this is something that helps making yourself more readable. You didn't especially invite people to ask those questions, on the contrary. You're saying "hey guys I'm somewhat playing" so everyone expects you to do things; except you're not doing things so boom, people even start scumreading you. "What about the others in here" is also not the greatest of things to say. There's no real reason for me to look into anyone right now as I didn't find too much that caught my attention as "super suspicious" (except for the PB thing, ofc), but somehow your "hi bras" post caught my attention. So, no, it's not "clutter" or "unproductive". On the contrary - my slight poke triggered a big "oh noes" post which contains a lot of speculation and "do not look at me". I'm totally fine with people looking into me. I'm town, after all, and I got nothing to hide, I don't have any restrictions in who I'm pushing etc. + Show Spoiler [ID Irony PB wishywashy] + On June 04 2017 23:17 beentheredonethat wrote: "Lacking a sense of humor" and "not identifying the irony" are completely different things. The first thing is the absence of the capability to laugh about something. Like "Hey, wow, I don't think it's funny that you make an ironic statement about the number of posts in this game". The second thing is "What the fuck are you talking about? There haven't been many posts in this game, why do you say there were many posts in this game?!" The second thing is exactly what happened. TW missed the irony. He simply "didn't get it". He did not find it "not humourous", he missed the joke. That is NAI at best. If you have your judgment there from "experience", then please point me to some games where you have made those experiences in. You've shown already you're willing to dig filters from other games, so go ahead. Yes, I have defended Grack and your interpretation of that is entirely possible. Not much to say against that. But it's of course possible that you interpret it that way because you want to scumread me. It's also entirely possible that I simply said this to make Vivax aware of something - especially since Grack was in LYLO in generic II and half the obs QT was sure he was scum. So much to that . What does "prods the new player" mean? As you might've realized, I'm not a native speaker. PBs reads at that point are wishy-washy, ritoky, and if you call that a solid read, then you're misrepresenting things. If there are more questions towards me coming from that case, feel free to ask, I'm here. + Show Spoiler [Rit pissed cause bad, BH RNG fishy] + On June 04 2017 23:18 beentheredonethat wrote: your whole case feels like you're pissed off over me being bad instead of having solid reasons for me being scum. Take a step back and reconsider? + Show Spoiler [<3 TS & Grack? Weird Conv Post] + On June 04 2017 23:26 beentheredonethat wrote: <3 On a more serious note though, I like your thought process quite a lot. It feels genuine. On June 04 2017 23:29 beentheredonethat wrote: One more super weird post that doesn't really add much. I might get tunneled and be over-"whatthefucked" by a newbie. But what if not? Page 2 + Show Spoiler [whoaX3 Conv is wordy, "whatthehe…] + On June 04 2017 23:32 beentheredonethat wrote: "I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand" whoawhoawhoa, so many words for not really much. What is hard to understand about "hey, you said you're here but you didn't do anything, so why say that you're here in the first place"? On June 04 2017 23:33 beentheredonethat wrote: My "whattheheck" feeling about Conversion keeps growing and growing + Show Spoiler [nitpicks phone vs pc posting] + On June 04 2017 23:35 beentheredonethat wrote: 1. You're on a phone 2. You're typing super long sentences with correct spelling and punctuation. 3. You go out of your way to even type "b/c" which on mobile should be harder to type then "because" You're either overly dedicated to correct spelling, punctuation, wording and what not - or you weren't typing from mobile and you're making excuses. + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 23:37 beentheredonethat wrote: Why do you mention the people that do townread you when you're asked the opposite thing? Why is Tubesock dodgy and why do you not scumread me although you said you'd almost do so in the posts just before? + Show Spoiler [HF U lazy bum; I'm bad 2017…] + On June 04 2017 23:38 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm reading up the pages I didn't read while I'm cooking. If you want to put me onto something, then quote it and ask me about it you lazy bum On June 04 2017 23:39 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm not a vet I'm a bad player, I already got nomination for 2017's worst play + Show Spoiler [lied typer; Rit town, 1gu town secret] + On June 04 2017 23:39 beentheredonethat wrote: I already lied about phone posting when I was scum so why wouldn't he do it? I used it as an excuse to not post what I think in full lenght On June 04 2017 23:41 beentheredonethat wrote: stuck on page 11, cooking is done. ritoky town hf dunno, can be both, if alive >D3, lynch with fire etc I don't care about pretty much everyone else, can be lynched except Onegu, for some super weird reason I think Onegu's town but I'm not gonna share this reason + Show Spoiler [not only here for shit, fine with dumb] + On June 04 2017 23:43 beentheredonethat wrote: ok. If you're interested in my opinion about something and not only here to give me some shit, feel free to ask me whatever you want. I'll read up pages 11-this once I've eaten. On June 05 2017 01:32 beentheredonethat wrote: so everyone's fine with sitting back and calling me dumb ok let me know if there's something interesting at any point + Show Spoiler [PB cheap &stupid; let happen] + On June 05 2017 01:35 beentheredonethat wrote: ahahah these wagons mind my words: PB still voting me is so cheap and stupid. if he keeps coasting, hedging and overexplaining commonly known things, he should be lynched with fire it's not like I care though since I am bad x) sooooo yeah On June 05 2017 01:35 beentheredonethat wrote: Being VT is so super boring -.- On June 05 2017 01:35 beentheredonethat wrote: so yeah I'll just sit here and let this game happen. maybe I'll get some free towncred from that because why not. + Show Spoiler [suck as town; Rit town] + On June 05 2017 04:06 beentheredonethat wrote: im super good as scum i super suck as town story of my life + Show Spoiler [HF towns bt? 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The overall tone of his post is so super soft, so not-pushy, so calm, so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz really lynch pb + Show Spoiler [Unholy/scumFlare & lynch PB] + On June 05 2017 04:27 beentheredonethat wrote: Wait wait wait you misrepresenting Unholycandle. 1st scumreading exclusively newbies is one thing but the game is to be continued for some time, right? not sure why it should be bad if I coincidentally start with newbies 2nd "refusing to talk about the rest of the people in the game" wait what again what is this this is plain wrong 3rd yes that's my super push for me it makes perfect sense. whats wrong on calling out someone for something that I have done as scum before? holymoly should I not do this? should I rather shut up and like, say nothing? lurk? it's at least something people cast start working with you little nut 4th i didn't drop anything about PB im totes fine with lynching that guy you're misrepresenting me in 4 points that's just super bad scummycandle See, scummycandle? it's actually possible to not scumread me for that but of course as scum pushing for a mislynch you need to paint me red. bah bah bah lynch pb/holyflare I think is a good move | ||
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Page 3 + Show Spoiler [?Rit on HF; weirds Fidei] + On June 05 2017 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote: yo ritoky when you're done calling me bad what do you think about Holyflare? On June 05 2017 04:30 beentheredonethat wrote: It's super weird that Fidei 1. likes my "forensic approach" (which everyone else called BAD BAD BAD) 2. townleans me 3. doesn't say a single word to defend me at any point in his filter ( + Show Spoiler [Generous HF is scum X2] + On June 05 2017 04:36 beentheredonethat wrote: 1. At this point there wasn't a lot of content in the game. Also, I was simply reading through the thread and picking up posts as I read them. I didn't first read and then decide what to pick on, d'oh. "We have told you to look at" - not at this point, again, lots of blablabla 2. Holy maccaroni you're argueing with a point in the game that is much later than the oiriginal point you have misrepresented. It's always easier to say "hey, on page 6 you hadn't done what I told you on page 7", you do realize that, right? 3. Of course that doesn't mean that everybody is capable of doing it. Nevertheless it is a solid reasoning for ME to think that this might the going on here. Of course I am not giving space to the person I'm pushing, I don't want to hear them flail about whateverthefuck they ate last night, I want to clearly know what's going on. Who the fuck writes "b/c" on mobile, I ask once more? And if it's so super convenient for him (or for you, HF) as you said earlier, then why does he say "oih wait until im on a computer" then anyways, huh? No, doesn't make sense, hence why I think it's scum indicative. 4. That's wroooooong I say pretty clearly I'm fine with lynching him, probably 10 min ago or something. scummy scummy hf I know you're capable of out-argueing me at any point in time, no problem but that doesn't make you less scum On June 05 2017 04:36 beentheredonethat wrote: One of my other things I'm doing is scumreading you you super generous guy + Show Spoiler [QQ Card played] + On June 05 2017 04:38 beentheredonethat wrote: I know I'm playing bad. And I assure you this is the last game I'll play for a while if not ever. Every time I sign up for a game and roll town, I get super mad when I'm called scum, I get super mad when people call me bad. So I'll be super happy if this game is over for me and don't worry, I won't sign up for any other games. + Show Spoiler [list post lynch TS&PB] + On June 05 2017 06:35 beentheredonethat wrote: Here's where I'm at: (no particular order right now) Don't lynch: Vivax Fidei + Show Spoiler + one question though: On June 04 2017 22:51 Fidei86 wrote: *deep breath* Care to explain why? Why take a deep breath there, but townread me? I mean, me being emotional must be annoying, too, so why town read me but react like this there? ritoky Lynch: Prison Break + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2017 02:34 Prison Break wrote: I will post a list of my reads today - I like where my vote is now (based on page 1/14, reading the rest now) That was his last life sign. He did the same promise stuff in Generic II, check his day one. He OMGUS'ed me after I pushed him and besides that he hasn't touched a single player besides some wonky "yo HF can you answer this, please" - where no follow up happened, again. There was a bit about Fidei, granted, but although he didn''#t like that fidei called out lurkers, it apparently wasnt enough for PB to look a bit deeper into Fidei. Super coasting mafia. Tubesock + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2017 02:10 Tubesock wrote: My preferred lynches are BH, btdt, then TW. BH and TW for already stated reasons. btdt because I don't like nitpickers or martyrs. He's wrong on Conversion, if newbie excuses were the entire content of Cons post then he'd be right but Conversion posts reads and explains them. I'm fine with HF and TW being in the same category. I mean you're HF the one who survives red checks. And I'm pretty convinced the mods messed up in generic and mislabeled your role when you died. This is super cheap. Blazinghand does nothing and is controversial and super low volume, I am already voted, and TW is also thread sentiment alike. Seems content with what he does there. Calls out Onegu at a random point but doesn't really care if Onegu returns or not. Others: Conversion - hmm. His filter is full of stuff, so there's more to read into, so I'd just wait a bit. The mobile stuff still makes me headache and I think he's getting away too easy with some stuff but I realize that this is super generic. I'm not filter diving him right now. Holyflare 6 pages of filter and of course HF is great and I feel like I will not even try to read him. If he's alive past day 3 he should be lynched because noone leaves HF alive for so long. He's a beast. Tumblewood - meh dunno Onegu - huge list post :O LightningStrike - not remembering anything spectacular? Grackaroni - not remembering anything spectacular? Blazinghand - I have literally no idea about his alignment + Show Spoiler [HF's TW Compendium; Sheep Rit v…] + On June 05 2017 06:36 beentheredonethat wrote: that's actually super cool and I'm tempted to lynch TW now although I just made a huge post which stated otherwise :O because if TW is red then wow lol On June 05 2017 06:59 beentheredonethat wrote: ritoky votes tw i vote tw Night 1, Day 2 Page 3 cont'd. + Show Spoiler [reaction fid lynch] + On June 05 2017 18:39 beentheredonethat wrote: hahahaha fidei I would've never caught him good job Onegu. I'll go back to my retard corner and await the mislynch :D + Show Spoiler [PB still scum] + On June 05 2017 18:40 beentheredonethat wrote: I still think PB is scum tho :O And HF might also be because he was super duper late on Fidei BH/Onegu town + Show Spoiler [HFvsVivax claim talk] + On June 07 2017 03:00 beentheredonethat wrote: why would vivax trade himself for holyflare if vivax was scum? On June 07 2017 03:01 beentheredonethat wrote: i mean just saying but he claimed cop and noone counter claimed so in my understanding we should lynch HF and then lynch Vivax if HF doesn't flip red, right? On June 07 2017 03:01 beentheredonethat wrote: i mean it's holyflare it's not blue it's holyflare On June 07 2017 03:02 beentheredonethat wrote: "lynch the cop claim" like you never lynch the cop claim, right? On June 07 2017 03:02 beentheredonethat wrote: if i missed some super obvious points let me know (and no hf I dont think that the "BS claim" thingy is a super clear slip) Page 4 + Show Spoiler [Cop mechanic talk, lynch HF] + On June 07 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote: If he flips cop, we don't have a cop. Next kill would then most likely be Tumblewood (if he's indeed doc) because doc would save the cop. If all those claims are real, ofc. If HF flips green, we can lynch a scum tomorrow. Which is super fine. We don't lose the cop. I just don't understand how a sane person can prefer the un-cc'ed cop lynch over the claimed check lynch. Even if HF isn't scum, we get Vivax. In both cases it's a bit coinflippy but why the hell would you start with the potential cop and not with the potential scum? On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote: I just don't understand how at the very beginning of a 48 hour phase, a lynch on Vivax is already locked and will happen 100% of the time. The "If" you say there is a super big one. Also why not simply cc the doc in Tumblewood and argue people into that? Vivax should be capable of that. On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote: If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check. + Show Spoiler [PB case bad lynch HF then PB] + On June 07 2017 03:12 beentheredonethat wrote: this whole case from PB is super unreadable, cluttered and it feels like there's more quotation than actual thinking. im super content in lynching that guy, still, but not over hf + Show Spoiler [claim talk] + On June 07 2017 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote: It's super fishy that noone is inclined to believe that claim especially since Vivax just pissed off and doesn't care about this game. I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship also keep in mind yes one scum is down but we have wonky claims in tw/vivax, we have players that are super capable of bussing (BH/Onegu) and there's a lot of things to be paranoid about. In no way is this going to be easy, especially if we lynch Vivax and he flips cop because hell HF is capable of talking himself out of a check. In a cop/doc situation, a framer might be in, right? On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote: Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker. By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax. + Show Spoiler [PB scummy for not quoting] + On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote: And he knows that from Generic II. This guy is absolutely scummy. + Show Spoiler [Lynch HF first] + On June 07 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote: Point me to that. He seems to be all fucked up about the randomness of this game. And I can understand that: looking only at activity (not content), he's active and participating and gets scumread, while low-volume players that didn't contribute too hard to this game get a lot of cred because they yolo'd a lynch onto scum gf. I can super understand his frustration and I don't understand why you call that "bad fake claiming or mafia". On June 07 2017 03:21 beentheredonethat wrote: ah you're right. super good, lynch HF, no way he has been framed, so no way for Vivax to talk himself out of anything should HF flip green + Show Spoiler [nitpick PB's format fiasco] + On June 07 2017 03:22 beentheredonethat wrote: 1. make a case 2. make it as unreadable as possible 3. "whoops" how is that not scummy? "look at all the effort I'm putting in guys but please don't really look at it as it's constructed" + Show Spoiler [BH calls btdt speculation bad] + On June 07 2017 03:24 beentheredonethat wrote: Don't call me bad, I get tilted super fast and then I get worse. There's no need for a host to put in a GF when there is no investigative role. Can be a goon. Why would you actively mislead scum? In setups with cop/doc, it's even balance-wise important for mafia to know what's going on because they'll never be able to fake claim in a meaningful way if they don't know the setup. + Show Spoiler [not lynching unCC'd cop] + On June 07 2017 03:26 beentheredonethat wrote: I don't think you're making sense. And I think you're trying to talk me into lynching Vivax. I'm not gonna lynch into the un-cc'ed cop because his red-check told me to do so. It's super madness. If he lied, he'll be lynched next day. If not, HF is scum. Supercool. + Show Spoiler [wouldn't lynch Viv or HF but Viv…] + On June 07 2017 03:27 beentheredonethat wrote: HF is super active and drives the game forward. Vivax is not so super active, has fucked off D2, but I think he had a decent D1. Without the claim: I'd probably lynch neither of them. If I had to choose, I'd lynch Vivax over HF. + Show Spoiler [setup talk] + On June 07 2017 03:28 beentheredonethat wrote: This is a semi-open setup, not a closed setup. On June 07 2017 03:29 beentheredonethat wrote: I think I need to un-trigger my last PB point as he indeed recreated his post with decent quotes. On June 07 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote: Taken from the OP. On June 07 2017 03:31 beentheredonethat wrote: Just one question: In a situation where a un-cc'ed cop claims a red-check on a player, do you lynch the un-cc'ed cop over the red-check because the un-cc'ed cop previously was scummier than his red-check? On June 07 2017 03:32 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm not saying existence of cop is super confirmed. I'm saying it's likely that there is one given we have a GF. Your argument is "no, it's not likely, most of the time there is a gf in even if there is no cop". We're not talking setup confirmation here. You're putting super weight on that one bit, my main point was "hey, you guys are lynching the un-cc'ed cop, that's not a good idea". On June 07 2017 03:33 beentheredonethat wrote: should I [.big] and [.b] this maybe Page 5 + Show Spoiler [lynch Viv if rescinds] + On June 07 2017 03:38 beentheredonethat wrote: If Vivax rescinds his claim he's the lynch, no questions asked. At least from my side. Even if that's coming from town, it's super bad, stole a day, and potentially lost the game and should be punished. + Show Spoiler [Vivax is trying] + On June 07 2017 03:39 beentheredonethat wrote: look at this for someone who absolutely doesn't like to play scum (as painted), that's quite the effort to do. + Show Spoiler [Vivax towns btdt so must be town, or TMI] + On June 07 2017 03:40 beentheredonethat wrote: As scum, I'd just go full frontal "lol btdt you suck" but that's me On June 07 2017 03:41 beentheredonethat wrote: this is interesting in vivax' filter like, ritoky says "wtf btdt you're super bad" and he's instabelieving that's me being town not giving a fuck, which is 100% correct and could of course be a scum TMI + Show Spoiler [btdt is neg., Viv agrees on PB] + On June 07 2017 03:42 beentheredonethat wrote: I felt super fucked over that flip because I thought that my top town read (or something) just flipped scum and I didn't play for 12hours or so because I thought "meh, I'm the next lynch" im super negative On June 07 2017 03:43 beentheredonethat wrote: Vivax agrees with me or me with him with regard to PB's posts. I think that's why I started townread him, along with the fact that D1, he punched towards a lot of people (tw, ls, grack, onegu, bh, hf, pb) I'm giving up on quoting most the quotes. This is taking way too too long. btdt spends the rest of page 5 talking about how he's going to lynch HF because he's the redcheck, he believes Vivax is too tryhard to be scum. He didn't like Ritoky being on the train to lynch HF named by Vivax due to Ritoky casing btdt + Show Spoiler [scums Rit for casing btdt] + On June 07 2017 03:45 beentheredonethat wrote: especially since ritoky even cased me, he doesn't make sense in that list neither do I of course | ||
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Page 6 This page Vivax comes back after 12 hours or so and then BH and HF get him to rescind his claim. btdt instantly wants to lynch Vivax and BH calls him out on it. Here btdt says he's ded already and lost his motivation to play so peaces out (but doesn't). Later says: + Show Spoiler [don't want to lynch Viv, HF, BH] + On June 07 2017 20:36 beentheredonethat wrote: I don't want to lynch Vivax and I don't want to lynch Holyflare. I don't want to lynch Blazinghand. I'm paranoid about Blazinghand and Holyflare but the rational part of my mind says it's super unlikely they are scum together. If they are scum together, the game is lost anyways. BH and HF are driving the game forward. Vivax is mainly busy defending himself and blaming BH/HF being scum, and I'm of course busy with self-pity and so on. Good thing we lynched scum D1, because if we hadn't, scum probably would be in a great position. + Show Spoiler [ thought experiment] + On June 07 2017 20:52 beentheredonethat wrote: Okay. Thought experiment: Assuming BH, HF, Vivax and me are all town and mafia is in the rather low volume players and having a good laugh about how town is currently screwing over itself. That leaves: Tubesock, Tumblewood, LightningStrike, Grackaroni, ritoky, Prison Break, Conversion. Now Tumblewood is the blue claim. The doctor. However, the nightkill was Onegu. Now keep in mind that the OP clearly says that the doctor cannot heal himself - so either scum didn't believe the doctor claim and did a potential medic dodge - or Tumblewood fakeclaimed to stay alive. So right now, Tumblewood is un-cc'ed and the only claim. town!HF's move of "hey, not gonna tell the exact role so I don't out the "real" blue just in case" was actually really cool. Tumblewood let the whole D2 pass so far and didn't care too much about this game ALTHOUGH he's the claimed doctor and should be highly interested in finding out potential N2 heal targets, right? Mafia didn't kill him N1, so maybe he'll get another heal of. There might of course be other thinking patterns but this is one that I'd find likely to have as doctor. Grackaroni - I'm currently putting him on the town pile. He worded exactly why I didn't want to lynch Vivax in a way that I really liked and I fully agreed with his thought process here. I quoted the post that I mean already, it's somewhere in my filter. Might be a bit too easy to townread here but I'll do it anyways. LightningStrike - I still have no particular impression on what he's done so far. Townreads Tubesock, Grack, ritoky. He says that "HF vs. Vivax feels like town vs. scum" with a tendency to Vivax playing the scum part - what happened to that read D2? But then again, he was early to switch to fidei, plus: I think this is a genuine town post. His last appearance here was almost 24 hours ago so it's time for him to come back. Tubesock has a full three pages of filter, mostly one liners that are not really amazing. I don't know why people townread that guy. But then again he was second on the Fidei wagon which should give him a lot of town cred. In that thought experiment, our lynches should be between ritoky, Prison Break, Conversion. Those are at least the guys and gals to look into. Page 7 + Show Spoiler [Let's lynch lurker PB] + On June 08 2017 05:12 beentheredonethat wrote: This is amazing. When Vivax had claimed: "Let's lynch the cop over the red-check" When Vivax unclaimed: "I think he's town but let's lynch him anyways" Take a step back guys and realize: we all townread Vivax apparently because what he did was bad as scum as well as as town. Like, really bad. Not just a bit bad. And while we all want to see blood, we won't fare well if we lynch a townie today. I'd lynch a lurker (yo, Prison Break, that's you) over Vivax any time. And of course I'll take the second nomination for worst player 2017 if it turns out I hard defended scum twice :D + Show Spoiler [larger case on PB] + On June 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote: The first person PB speaks about is Fidei. Within like 2 sentences, then goes on to rant a lot about how Tumbleweed is something? Only to never pick up his points on Fidei again, but of course pressuring me once he realized ritoky was after me. He doesn't care to really push me though he's just happy to have his vote on me and doesn't care about much else. he didn't he did nothing (besides a votecount, wtf) he didn't It's even in the OP. Three. You should know. You played in Generic II, and you are coached, and you could've asked your coach about this, and you could've read the OP. This is a super constructed dumbtell. You didn't try to kill him. In the final vote count, your vote is not on him. You also didn't push him. + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Final Vote Count Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood (2): Prison Break (2): Conversion, beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, Vivax (1): LightningStrike (1): Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni (0): Holyflare (0): Conversion (0): Fidei86 will be lynched. + Show Spoiler [Big wall of nothing] + On June 06 2017 09:15 Prison Break wrote: I'll be honest I'm not caught up so I haven't read any questions directed at me I filtered some people that were the primary lynch targets and gave my opinion on them No I haven't posted a list but I have given reads on at least half the players which is something I'm sorry for not engaging as much as I'd like to, it's more because of being busy / I find it hard to read through everything ( like I could read through it quickly, but I prefer to keep looking for connections and read things thoroughly so I tend to read back and filter people while reading, some people take that as me "coming up with the right conclusions based on nothing", but I can tell you if I were mafia I would've just dropped random reads and posts every now and then. But right now I want to actually only post when I'm caught up / when I have good reads because I'm not scum this game. ) I think a lot of people are biased because of last game, and when you realize Tumblewood would've been the lynch prior to claiming, HF has a lot of suspicion, and people want me dead or are suspiciouos of me, I'd say that is the exact scumteam of last people and people should look if we're actually scum again or that it's just a bias. Like I said my scumread on beentheredonethat is strong, if he has done anything in the last pages that I haven't read yet then I may reconsider, but, he did a lot of really scummy stuff early on which I pointed out so something really crazy would have had to happen for me to change my mind on him. I think it's also scummy that people are saying that I can be scum while completely ignoring the Fidei86 flip. Yes I "bussed" HF last game but read the quicktopic and you'll see that: - I asked peoples stances on bussing/hard defending, and HF clearly said he is cool with either - Later on, he said "keep the pressure, I like the pressure, I'm not getting lynch" etc. - He would get alive=scummed eventually anyway - I was the roleblocker, he was vanilla - Fidei was godfather - HF townread me that game while I scumread him, in this game, Fidei was suspicious of me and I responded by calling him out on his behavior. Doesn't that make sense? Fidei as scum pushing a lot of people for "lurking", me calling him out and pushing for his lynch, beentheredonethat attacking me for it and saying Fidei is town. Like how does this not make sense from a me being town and fidei + possibly beentheredonethat being scum? Explain that to me please. Also explain why I would be so hesistant to post: last game I would make shit up and recklessly vote during night phases, post random reads, sometimes without explanation, etc. Right now I'm clearly trying to actually put effort in the content of what I say....rather than the presentation of it. I'm sorry if i come off desinterested, I'm not, I just couldn't get myself to read through everything + I am busy I'll try to get as far as I can and will drop my thoughts, I did plan on dropping a list, but for now I think beentheredonethat is scum and vivax is someone I want to look into more. And I've given a lot of townreads that I still think are town as well but I'll filter them to confirm Self-explanatory. Claims to have filtered people he doesn't like (that's basically me) and admits to not have done anything and excuses. wow. amazing! Okay, so you have lots of town reads, fine, but why don't you then filter the others who should at least be scummy to you then, right? right? ????? "Based on me scumreading BTDT and townrteading a bunch of others, I am not buying this claim!" ?????????? + Show Spoiler [scum is every1 but TW, Grack HF, LS?] + On June 08 2017 05:34 beentheredonethat wrote: Hm dunno to be honest I'd say tubesock but he was #2 to jump on Fidei so - no. hm I don't have a super clear "that guy is scum with PB" thought available, it's more like there's a range of people that could be it. That range is pretty much everyone except TW (claimed doc), Grack, LS, (HF) Hf is brackets because he was super late on fidei Grack/LS hammered fidei and I don't see scum do that leaves a rather short range of people + Show Spoiler [Lynch PB] + On June 08 2017 05:37 beentheredonethat wrote: We should all lynch Prison Break. If people stick to the Vivax lynch, meh. especially HF, like, if he thinks Vivax is town (and he said he feels so) then he should absolutely be brave enough to not lynch the guy. We have a super clear scum wagon where we can deduce enough people to put on our town pile. The rest of the posts are relating to how Vivax's play if he were to flip town is what btdt did to win the 2017 worst play award. Then he realizes he gave BH some town cred for voting Fidei and finds out BH actually didn't. Doesn't state if his BH read changes. Page 8 A couple hots(I think?) posts then: Night 2, Day 3 + Show Spoiler [Points out PB falsehood??] + + Show Spoiler [sort of scums BH] + On June 08 2017 09:17 beentheredonethat wrote: From your pre-flip perspective, why shouldn't this be true? This is exactly the scenario that justified your vote on Vivax. Why are you not saying it is true? What else should've been there, pre-flip? 1. You did not vote Fidei 2. You did actively push a mislynch on Vivax That BH/HF scenario from Vivax is perfectly possible in my mind. But I'm really worried about lynching into two of the most active players. Nevertheless, BH, imho you don't have too much towniness to yourself. Then again, you could've pushed me over the line but you were a great help for me to calm down, although at times, it felt like you even overstretched. Humm dumm. I feel like Treebeard humm-homming over things. Has a back and forth with PB wanting him to show where PB wanted Fidei dead. Later PB says multiple times he was flood controlled and couldn't switch votes. btdt also towns HF. + Show Spoiler [list post] + On June 08 2017 09:36 beentheredonethat wrote: So, my town list: Tubesock (voting Fidei #2) Tumblewood (blue claim, un-cc'ed, voting Fidei #3) Grackaroni (had the exact same thoughts about Vivax pre-claim as me, voting Fidei #4 - hammer?) Holyflare (#1774) Leaves: ritoky LightningStrike (But I think I townread him for some reason earlier already, didn't I?) Blazinghand Conversion (who disappeared) Prison Break (cased) Is it so easy that a) both newbies are scum together AND both voted outside the scum wagon D1? Page 9 + Show Spoiler [?'s HF's townread because…] + On June 09 2017 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote: But why? He didn't put up a good defense, content-wise. He just threw out some posts, including super OMGUS'ing me. He says "Hey, I put up a fight with Fidei" because he wrote three (3) sentences about Fidei over 5 pages of filter. The only possible reason you can have here to not scumread him is that he's a townie that draws very wrong conclusions. In that case, HF, you always call people bad and you did it already. This, together with your weird stance on Vivax ("Gut says town but I'll lynch him anyways") makes me really question your alignment. On June 09 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote: It's super stressful to read into your 20 page filter because it has almost completely situational stuff in there, and oneliners like this. It would be of great help if you'd put in the effort to add a "because" to your sentences. + Show Spoiler [sort of forgets HF pushes] + On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote: The really weird thing is that it's almost day 3 and I cannot remember any scumreads nor any pushes from Holyflare. On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote: EBWOP Of course not saying there aren't some (because angry HF jumps my throat) but I don't think HF every bothered actively pushing for someone in a memorizable way* On June 09 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote: The Vivax push doesn't count imho. D2 started with Vivax claiming cop and redcheck HF. HF was obliged to scumread Vivax. On June 09 2017 03:34 beentheredonethat wrote: Haha, touché. But now please tell me without diving or anything who HF wants to lynch + Show Spoiler [back and forth with HF's pushes] + On June 09 2017 04:09 beentheredonethat wrote: I did not sheep your tw case day 1. I spent D1 crying, whining, and generally being bad. "And day 2 doesn't count" what A vig should really really shoot HF. On June 09 2017 04:16 beentheredonethat wrote: Hm that's right though. I should go back to the "meh I'll lock town HF now" stance On June 09 2017 04:17 beentheredonethat wrote: I didn't even realize that this was "your" push I townread ritoky for pushing me back then stop being nitpicky about shit Page 10 + Show Spoiler [Rit can be scum, PB no townpass] + On June 09 2017 04:44 beentheredonethat wrote: ritoky can very well be scum and I'd like to retract my initial townread. my d1 townread on him was super yolo anyways, actually it's super easy to push D1 btdt. His appearance around D2 flip time was super bad, he's not really contributing etc. but I also don't wantto give PB a town pass because all he did was come in, defend himself in a weird way, piss off again. he's super low volume. same for conversion. I think in my filter, there's somewhere a list of people (5-6) that I don't have as locked towns. we should work on that list, it's good. + Show Spoiler [still likes list; summons PB] + On June 09 2017 04:57 beentheredonethat wrote: I like how me mentioning you always summons you into the thread. HF if you can seriously shoot, then shoot PB. + Show Spoiler [PB post is shitty] + On June 09 2017 05:07 beentheredonethat wrote: No really I cannot get over this shitty shit of a post. "like I'm not saying scum would always town or scumread me" What the actual fuck do you mean with that? "but the reason has to be genuine, and it seems like btdt is kind of pissed off that I actually came in here to defend myself etc. and people are starting to townread me now" The reason for someone to read you town or scum has to be genuine. Okay, I understand that. I have several reasons for why I scumread you. You say I'm pissed off that you came in here to defend yourself? No! I think that's great! But your defense is in no way making me town read you. On the contrary, the way you are making up things in your defense (such as "I pushed Fidei pretty hard" which is an outright exaggeration and can very well be seen as a lie) are making me feel better on my scumread. People are starting to townread you now? No! HF does so. For whatever, unstated, super weird reasons, he does so. I guess it's a tone thing or whatever. That is one. And am I mad about this? No, I am not. You need to realize that not everything I say or do is related to you, PB. Of course I'm wondering why HF is townreading you. Because HF said just 24 hours ago that my case on you is solid! So I'm wondering what made HF change his mind. Because I want to understand not only you, but also HF better. "like he doesn't want to let go but he doesn't feel comfortable continuing his push either. but he never really reconsiders" Why would I feel uncomfortable pushing you? Because HF townreads you? Would you please remember that I stated multiple times that I did believe Vivax claim (when everyone(!!!!!) was against Vivax) and that I even hard defended him once he rescineded his flip? Like if I was scum, why would I feel uncomfortable about pushing you if that's the thing people agree with? If that's the thing people townread me for? No, I do not feel uncomfortable! The hell?! Do I look like I reconsider you being scum here? If so, SORRY! It's just me not knowing everything and considering that I might be wrong. Right now, to me, my points have not been disapproved or something so I'm perfectly fine seeing you flip. Holy. " I don't even know what he scumreads me for anymor" How about you check my filter? There you have it multiple times even, partially in conversations, partially in a case. Holy moly. He goes on to tell PB he's scum for not checking the rage quit game he had. And if he had to choose between Ritoky and Grack to lynch he'd lynch Ritoky. + Show Spoiler [Grack is never scum due 4get scummate…] + On June 09 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote: grack is never scum here forgetting fidei in his list post is a town tell. you don't forget your teammates. you simply don't. I'm super sure grack is town and the more happens, the more I am certain. well good night now + Show Spoiler [really want to see flip] + On June 09 2017 07:30 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm really interested to see the flip. Like, really interested. If I were scum, I honestly would know who to kill right now + Show Spoiler [TW is the fakeclaim] + On June 09 2017 16:42 beentheredonethat wrote: So, I won't ve able to do much in the next 24 hours. My stance is that tw is the fake claim. I have a but of paranoia about tw being the real doc but it is unlikely for a couple of reasons (2 prot roles or cop/doc which is strong for town, tw being absent D2, tw claiming only to avert lynch, tw not being killed over BH (like you always kill claimed blue here to prevent what hf did) and even more I think) Ritoky being cop feels reasonable, HF being vig meh okay ill take it. btdt ends his last post 21 hours ago with if TW flips town then lynch HF with fire EZPZ. | ||
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On June 11 2017 19:36 beentheredonethat wrote: Ah HF go eff yourself. Your selfrighteousness and hybris is super toxic and im sick of it. Im considering to just commit a bannable offense just to prove you wrong. He's not toxic. Calm down. This is just a game. And you won't be lynched for days. Ritoky will be first. | ||
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On June 11 2017 19:42 beentheredonethat wrote: No. I will just be mislynched. You say I am scum and you're wrong. Your superplay was wishywashy and weird and it only works because ritoky apparently tilted. Now I get to bite the dust because all my effort was rendered useless because I posted before I realized ritoky was scum. I am not going to put in more unenjoyable effort now since people will now auto on me next day, thanks, HF. Enjoy the game without me and already count with one mislynch less. Look dude, you need to learn how to control yourself. We will not auto because I don't want to lose. So if you are town, you will be productive and not cry in your corner. you have something like 144 hours before the next non-set lynch. | ||
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I am going to go pretty deep into the rest. Is there things in the other players that makes them 100% town in your eyes? Cause frankly, Ritoky giving up so early kinda makes me think we are a bit off otherwise he probably would keep trying till you're dead. Like control the conversation a bit instead of giving it up. | ||
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On June 11 2017 20:10 Holyflare wrote: You highlight a lot of reasons why btdt is mafia though. I didn't even really explicitly say that him tunneling so hard on PB makes it easy to not have many other scumreads. He's pretty static. | ||
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On June 11 2017 20:19 Holyflare wrote: Tomorrow you will have 5vs2 You should lynch not ritoky because tomorrow will be 100% dead discussion and tube, your biggest asset right now, will die. Lynching someone else is the most productive thing you can do. It doesn't change how many mislynches you get. hmm. You're probably right, it'll end up just being PB and I talking. | ||
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On June 11 2017 20:23 Holyflare wrote: Just read what I wrote about him :p. He's constantly "reevaluating" but adding more and more people to scum reads instead of the other way around. His stances on ritoky are very inconsistent. He ignored scum reads on fidei and was wishy washy on him. Etc etc. Agreed, his Fidei and Ritoky reads both were flimsy as shit. | ||
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On June 12 2017 06:03 Grackaroni wrote: I don't agree really. I sheep voted the first scum and then I told you why you shouldn't lynch Vivax and then I spent the rest of my time pushing Ritoky. I'm not sure what else I could have done other than saving Tumblewood. I think your fights with Ritoky make you town. | ||
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On June 12 2017 05:44 Grackaroni wrote: One thing I did see that makes me a little hesitant about BTDT scum is that Ritoky was very quick to endorse this case written by him. I'm not making the connection here. Why does Ritoky endorsing or not endorsing this case mean anything for btdt? | ||
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He's right, we should wait to lynch Ritoky. Ritoky wants us to lynch him, so we should obviously do the opposite of what confirmed mafia wants. Ritoky wants an auto lynch. You guys all said that RNG is bad because it kills town conversation. Auto-lynch does the same thing. We have nothing to lose. We can "shenany" back onto Ritoky if the vote looks close near the end. We will have another lynch to go, and if we get this right then Ritoky will concede. The dangers of Ritoky vote manipulating are less than the dangers of silent town. Do it for the memory of Holyflare. Do it for the children. | ||
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On June 12 2017 21:32 Conversion wrote: so any thots on who the last guy is or is this ded gaem Right now I think it's btdt. He's the scummiest by a good margin. | ||
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On June 11 2017 19:29 Holyflare wrote: I have never been so certain of something in my life. This game is over. I'm so certain that you should in fact lynch btdt BEFORE ritoky. You don't lose any mislynches I don't think and the game will be over far far quicker. On June 11 2017 20:19 Holyflare wrote: Tomorrow you will have 5vs2 You should lynch not ritoky because tomorrow will be 100% dead discussion and tube, your biggest asset right now, will die. Lynching someone else is the most productive thing you can do. It doesn't change how many mislynches you get. He's talking to me, not saying I'm towns biggest asset. He's saying that he's towns biggest asset (due to him getting everyone to talk). He's saying that active town is the only way to win. | ||
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On June 12 2017 21:42 Conversion wrote: yeah I can agree with that. I'll post my vote back on BTDT and I think when it's not 8:42 AM EST we can talk about it more I encourage the talking I think we should policy not lynch Ritoky until T minus 1 hour to eod. Like he should be off the table till then. | ||
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He was ok with the TW lynch. He towned TW for a shortwhile before the claim wars. Otherwise he didn't have much to say about TW. | ||
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On June 12 2017 22:36 LightningStrike wrote: Crap I messed up my math somehow 5-2 4-2 3-2 3-1 2-1 vs 5-2 5-1 4-1 3-1 2-1 I guess we don't exactly lose a mislynch on second looks? So you're on board? Who would you lynch and why por favor? | ||
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On June 13 2017 06:09 beentheredonethat wrote: I don't understand ritoky's super rage anyways. It doesn't make sense so I'd assume he's frustrated anyways. He's clearly playing against his win condition. Where exactly is Ritoky's rage? I don't think he rage quit at all. | ||
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Mechanically we do not lose a lynch. No one is bringing up lynch alternatives and there isn't much to add to btdt's guilt or defense. HF was right, we need to keep talking. With btdt alive there just isn't much to say. I don't see a reason Ritoky would stay in the game when btdt flips mafia. We can end the game in just over twelve hours from now. I'm not moving my vote. | ||
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On June 14 2017 04:56 beentheredonethat wrote: Tube c'mon It's not nothing I have. You are super low volume. You did almost not interact with ritoky. And you did say that ritoky will be the lynch, implying you plan to vote him, and you are now voting me over confirmed scum, you even have started to do so before the wagon on me formed. Also you're absolutely not accepting the slightest possibility that I am town but you should absolutely do so to not waste this day. Like, today, you can actually push people because there are two scummers alive - but also two more townies than tomorrow. That means that any wagon that is on a townie might be averted because there are 4 more townies to vote different from the 2 scummers. Tomorrow, if you lynch me today, you will not be able to push anyone and threaten a lynch. Basically, you'll have to figure out the game with what you have until today because tomorrow, you auto on ritoky - and then you're at LYLO anyways. So YES, technically it's even correct that you guys are voting me. But you're auto-ing on me. There's no pressure. I cannot defend myself as I am the locked lynch. I can do some stuff like point out things I do find suspicious. Drop some reads so once I flip green, you guys have something to look at. But de facto you are right now letting a super uncontested wagon pass. The real shame is that ritoky's vote will be absolutely unreadable. Either he won't drop one at all (which technically should modkill him at this point(!!!!) ), or he'll put it on me. If you don't have any wagons at all, ritoky's vote is like super uninteresting. Meh. Shame on you lazy town people. Low post volume doesn't mean anything. I was already a fairly low poster in several games. Why do you think I only play every six months? Because like everyone I'm busy but think I can squeeze a game in. When I work I do not have access to the internet so I can't check in more often. I've laid out my reasoning to vote you over Ritoky. HF is right about what he said before he died. We kill Ritoky first we still will auto lynch you and have little to no discussion. At first I fully intended to switch to Ritoky at the end of the day. But seeing how slow this game got it seems to me we need to clear up the btdt question before we can be active again. If I were scum I'd want the quietist town possible. | ||
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On June 14 2017 08:15 Conversion wrote: who's next on the scummy list for y'all if this guy surprises us with a town flip I have decent reasons to town everyone left. If you take out Gracks push on Ritoky then he could but I think his push on him looked pretty genuine and not a bus. LS next then? He's had very few opinions and only comes when he's talked about. Which makes me think he's town because if he rolled scum he'd at least push for a mlynch. He had no problems standing up to HF either. | ||
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On June 14 2017 08:35 Conversion wrote: nah I'm town. I'm not good enough to pull what PB did in generic II That's what PB would say last game!! Lol | ||
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On June 14 2017 08:46 Prison Break wrote: Probably tube but id have to filter everyone again Why me? | ||
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On June 14 2017 08:57 LightningStrike wrote: Check my generic 2 filter and compare it to this game? Didn't I just call you town? | ||
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On June 14 2017 09:23 Grackaroni wrote: Tube why did you make a spoiler of all of those BTDT posts with captions? Was that just for shits and giggles or do you think it was important for why he could be mafia? To more easily find and see patterns in his posts without having to jump back and forth pages. I had hoped people would ask questions about things but doesn't appear anyone read it but you and btdt. I wish the spoiler was longer so I didn't have to write in shorthand code. I tried to type in the gist of his post in the spoiler. I did get tired of doing that towards the end. | ||
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On June 11 2017 20:19 Holyflare wrote: Tomorrow you will have 5vs2 You should lynch not ritoky because tomorrow will be 100% dead discussion and tube, your biggest asset right now, will die. Lynching someone else is the most productive thing you can do. It doesn't change how many mislynches you get. What is HF mean here? And you're believing a claimed mafia over a dead blue? I'm scum because I listened to what HF said and wanted us to do? Really? | ||
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On June 14 2017 13:31 Conversion wrote: the only reason this tinfoil hat conspiracy theory exists in my head is b/c of a very sudden jump from "I like btdt" to pushing for his lynch. I thought BTDT was scummy because of his posts (the one where he asked ritoky if they should concede.. like wtf) and him tunneling in on me super hard when I know I'm town. Also the lack of defense on his end when I told him to build a serious case on me because he was flipping between Conversion is town vs Conversion is not town. whereas tubesock just came outta nowhere and was like wHAM BTDT is da mafia boiz let's lynch him. let me make a large sequential post with little spoiler messages but nothing really substantial and force a mislynch, since town seems to generally be OK with lynching BTDT over anyone else, so why not You didn't read my post. HF and I talked about it after. You're spreading bullshit and nothing that makes me mafia. HF added stuff to the btdt case too. He was actually posted before mine. You guys all basically sheep and didn't do shit but I'm the mafia. And I laugh that any of you even considered my case at all on btdt. If I stayed silent you all would have lynched him anyway. | ||
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On June 14 2017 13:34 Conversion wrote: i mean also HF's quotes are sorta irrelevant bc his posts were basically BTDT-ritoky is the mafia team, kill btdt so like.. with BTDT gone there obviously has to be a play that mafia is making that we're not seeing Didn't you just say I'm mafia for pushing to lynch btdt before Ritoky? | ||
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On June 14 2017 13:38 Conversion wrote: I never outright SAID you were mafia, I was saying this is a theory in a realm of possibilities that I'm trying to see and understand, no matter how unlikely Semantics whatever. You're dodging my question. What did HF mean when he posted that? | ||
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On June 14 2017 13:43 Conversion wrote: like yeah you listened to the dead blue.. congratulations? too bad lynching btdt was also a dead discussion if you can enlighten me as to what we really got on D3 that would be nice aside from figuring out btdt wasn't scum from the lynch flip He's saying that when he dies town discussion will die with him. So town needs to talk. So in order to do that we say we lynch btdt first. I don't think he really meant to lynch him first, but he did for sure wanting us talking about it and not lynching Ritoky till the end of the day. Pretty clever idea. The problem though was discussion died anyway as btdt was basically an auto lynch. Two things could have happened. 1) we lynched Ritoky. Then all signs would point to a dead couple of days because people probably would have said the same things about btdt that have been said all game. After we lynch Ritoky we'd probably have equally dead discussion while we lynch btdt anyway. Then we are in lylo with only a cycle to talk. 2) we lynch btdt. We will auto Ritoky BUT everyone knows we need to think about who is next so now we have two cycles to talk and EVERYONE is a question mark. It'll be so much more productive. So you scum me for going along with HF's play despite not understanding it. It was a super towny thing to do. Mafia wants quiet and little information. This was we have a chance of actually having an active town for two full cycles instead of one day one. | ||
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On June 14 2017 13:44 Conversion wrote: like idk why you're pushing so hard on a case that's probably very unlikely. like you realize I'm not the only one who thinks you might be scum, right? like I'm just the one posting at this hour, or at all really That's why I'm talking to you cause pure here. I'll address the things PB says when he's around if he shows when I'm online too. | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:52 Prison Break wrote: We get 2 nightkills One now, then we lynch ritoky,. then another one I doubt the nightkills will be random.I'm not sure if we want to give out all our info for discussion as it may influence the nightkill Everyone should definitely be doing the work - but be careful with how many conclusions / lynch orders you drop You're wrong about not wanting to give out too much info. Towns best asset is being active. If we can influence the night kill we make mafia be reactive rather than proactive. But this is more a discussion for post game. | ||
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On June 15 2017 09:17 Conversion wrote: can I get some thoughts on who the last scum is since we're autoing ritoky I kinda wanted to die bc I don't care about this game anymore bye PB Could be anyone really. LS is freaking smart. He's always looking at how he plays. I can see a world where he realizes that he gets towned easier with the fewer and less concrete reads. Couple years ago he learned that people used his emotional state to town him. So then he went emo as mafia and won the game. But there's the nagging feeling that he would have to at least put in some work to line up miss lynches or something. Grack could be too. He was gone most of the great claim wars of XXVI and maybe his fight with Ritoky was staged. It looked pretty sincere the first few times I read it. You could be too. You post a lot about how you're new to this and not good or whatever so that will make our expectations a little lower. But you are quite active lately and that's super pro town. If you're mafia I kinda don't mind losing to you if my other two townies AFK for days. | ||
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On June 15 2017 10:10 Grackaroni wrote: We're definitely killing Ritoky because it gives us a free night kill. To be honest I'm not all that enthused to spend a lot of time poring over filters when the person I spend a lot of time reading might not be here tomorrow, or I might not even be in the game anymore. So you're mafia then. Got it. | ||
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On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote: Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. I liked this post in spoilers for the most part. I thought towning HF so quick was reckless but he did look town enough. The Fidei read at the time was ok too. More in I read it as a null read. Fidei was a bit boring. Btdt started getting super nitpicky on Conversion which I didn't particularly like. His points on Grack, BH and TW I felt totally on point. And laughed cause Onegu is a coin flip. | ||
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On June 17 2017 08:22 Conversion wrote: not going to be around after day I am pretty sure I have food poisoning That's horrible. Sorry dude | ||
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On June 17 2017 10:22 LightningStrike wrote: Then why you called it a mindmeld then instead of saying "I like this post"? Also I think you tried to in the past? Let me reread some of your past games that I was in regarding the fact if you did tried to read me. Also yes that was all my questions. I called it a mind meld because I felt we viewed the world from similar viewpoints. For me "mind melding" is a little bit more than just liking a post. What's it mean to you? I'm pretty sure I've had you in the town pile most the game. But you can understand needing to look at you more carefully now. | ||
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His Fidei vote could have been a reaction bus as PB pointed out. Also his Ritoky interactions were pretty weird. They didn't really push each other. Ritoky admitting that he always thinks LS is mafia ("what else is new?") and they lightly banter back and forth. Ritoky last second voting LS was a throw away and knew LS wasn't in danger. Plus if LS flipped later Ritoky could get town cred for little risk or vice versa. The way the game unfolded with Vivax faking and then Ritoky faking made it so that LS never had to push for any miss lynch. So that's easier for him to play like his last Generic game lacking any real conclusions. And the last two night kills do implicate him. Grack was thinking about going all in, PB was offering suspicion in his last will. | ||
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The only things I can really see in Conversions filter is he over explains a bit and he did have a post where he said there's three claims and ebwop'd it to *if we get. It was within 20 minutes of Ritokys cop claim even. Kinda hilarious if it's a slip. | ||
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On June 19 2017 20:15 Conversion wrote: sure that can be a scenario but I'm voting you because I read through filters and he seems less likely to flip mafia than you also I was asleep when you two were talking believe it or mot but being dehydrated and malnourished due to everything coming straight out of my body isn't a pleasant state to be awake in if I'm wrong so be it but considering my condition right now I can't really be bothered to argue. if you think I'm scum for it put your vote on me and LS can hammer who he thinks is mafia-- if your possibility of me being mafia is now higher due to my play His filter has nothing in it. No stances. Nothing. The two notable things was his argument with HF where he didn't see he was being trolled with scum not equaling mafia and he got mad and told him to STEP ON A LEGO FAGGIT. I don't remember if he even used an exclamation point. Least there's substance in my filter. You've made it clear you're not going to spend any time with the rest of the game so I don't think I'm going to waste my time. You're sick I don't even blame you. I should have played better (or not joined to be honest). This was lost days ago. | ||
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On June 20 2017 02:04 LightningStrike wrote: I pretty sure now that it's tubesock based on several things: Current game stuff + Show Spoiler + First his interaction with TW On June 03 2017 10:20 Tubesock wrote: uh the not keeping up with half a page of one liners. 4 by one peron.... SInce no one is talking, what are your thoughts on BH's RNG lynch? Do you think anything about it? Kinda over explained the joke part to TW and over reacted to TW over the suppose joke. His treatment on Vivax seems a odd transmission from this post: On June 04 2017 07:00 Tubesock wrote: No way I'm lynching Vivax. to this post: On June 05 2017 07:15 Tubesock wrote: I kinda think Vivax just wants to be contrarian. V I don't think it's a leap to say BH may want to do nothing day one. Not many people enjoy the shitshow that day one is. So I have a difficult time scumming HF for saying BH is a coin flip. Everything else he says seems logical and towny. Plus if he's mafia HF is making things more difficult for himself. Was strange I mean why you thought he was town yet was contrarian at the same time? Then later he wanted to lynch him as shown in these two posts: On June 05 2017 07:43 Tubesock wrote: I'm contemplating a yolo vivax lynch. On June 05 2017 08:54 Tubesock wrote: Oh so now you guys want to kill Vivax with me. He said he didn't like some of his analyzes or his last reads which is odd because he was townreading Vivax earlier. Next: On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote: Just in case: PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible. Never really give much reasons to townread ritoky outside of his mindmeld which is strange I would of thought he more reasons to read someone town other than just a mindmeld. Also he didn't really gave much of a read on me at the time too I would of figured he would of tried to read me. On June 10 2017 07:09 Tubesock wrote: I think mafia RB'd TW to mindfuck town. Then when town starts thinking why is HF alive, they can kill TW and then say well they had to kill the confirmed Doc so that's why HF is alive and he'd be alive for another night and can set up for his last partner. Potential TMI regarding TW how TW was roleblocked for certain reasons? Also he very little interactions with ritoky at all while the rest game he had more interactions with the game probably to avoid bussing him until ritoky claimed scum. Last scum game: + Show Spoiler + In Nutcracker his scummates were Tictock and Vivax his filter is here if you want to read his entire filter from that game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=Tubesock. But in that game he didn't really interact to much with Tictock or Vivax with 2 posts directed to Tictock himself while 0 to Vivax yet was pushing people off of lynching Vivax until he fake claimed a rolecop candy that town or scum could be given and bussed Vivax was first on the wagon. In his first reds post he didn't give much reasons why he was townreading others but gave some reasons why he was scumreading people here: On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: Towny Order Tubesock GlowingBear Koshi - had an entire post in CAPS LOCK. Ritoky Sukrit TicTock LightningStrike - 1/2 Koshitownness since his post was only 1/2 CAPS lock. Null/mafia not necessarily in order but kinda Shapelog Damdred Rels GiygaS Kushm4sta Vivax Shapelog I have the same suspicions everyone else does/did. I haven't really studied his filter to see what he's done after the heat was off him. Or what he did eod other than vote Kush. Damdred I read Damdred's filter solely because of the GB hammer. I didn't like the shenanies but I have seen Damdred do that multiple times as town. Damdred doesn't address GB or Kush at all in his filter and only mentions Vivax with T-4 minutes to EOD. I think he had about 2 reads. I think Rels is right taht he is disinterested in the game. I disagree that it is mafia motivated though. Damdred in my eyes is like Marv/Palmar/Holyflare/BH, if they are alive d4 it's because they are mafia. Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's. I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read. The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy. GiygaS I liked his Rels points. That's pretty much all he's done. Even rereading his filter I didn't see anything that jumps out in either direction. I liked that he didn't seem too phased during kusgate 2015. For the record I don't think anyone who read my filter would think I sheeped GiygaS on Rels. Did G reaffirm and add to things? Yes. Another Rels exaggeration. Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. But he's done jackshit. I think I've read or played with him in 3 games. He was anti-town in all of them. I think copcheck/poe him later. Vivax has like 4 posts all "I'm sheeping Koshi". Even though he did give more reasons for his scumreads his townreads had 0 or little reasons. His last town game: + Show Spoiler + His filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia?user=Tubesock He interacted with people more in that game throughout the game yes even with the scumteam there of Vivax,Koshi, ExO, SKynx with 3rd person players in Artanis/Rels, GB, Acroface he shown he wasn't afraid much to talk to anyone. Here is my case on Tubesock but unfornately I wont be much except on mobile till way past deadline if you got questions Conversion while I am away let me know. ##Vote Tubesock How did I overexplain my entrance joke? It was one sentence? You're really reaching here. My read flip was a direct reaction from Vivax and HF's discussion. I originally towned Vivax due to agreeing with stuff he said, then he started saying weird wrong things and I began scumming him. Why wouldn't my read in Vivax change after seeing what he was pushing eod 1? I already explained that I mindmelded with Ritoky that first day or so. I don't understand how a mindmeld isn't much of a reason to town someone... and lol about TMI. I was almost miss lynched last game for TMI and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to think mafia might keep a scummy looking claimer alive for a bit when they can RB forever. My last mafia game we "bussed" Vivax as a last resort and after a couple days of him doing absolutely nothing. So this is evidence that I would not bus my partner Day 1 while I had 2 other wagons to choose from and my partner was actually playing the game. I haven't avoided interacting with anyone this game. Unfortunately, due to my job I have irregular work hours and often they last for 12-16 hours at a time. This last two weeks I've been to South Korea, Texas and am now in BC Canada. So you're scumming me for not being able to get online not for anything I've done. And you haven't shown me anywhere where I've actively tried to read you. So you're making up another lie. | ||
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On June 20 2017 04:35 Conversion wrote: hi tube can I get your thoughts on you skimmig the posts LS made on his defense, and thoughts on his current case on you? I'm more or less around till the end of the game. As far as his games, I saw one post where he arguably showed doubt of a lynch and he was town. 2 of those games he posted he had a two page filter so they were not very useful. I did see in a couple of his mafia games he seemed to yell at people and tell them off like he did to HF this game. | ||
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Sorry I killed you Fidei that was super bad. I don't have any idea what I was thinking. Thank you for your help Ritoky. I think you gave me really good advice and I did try to keep true to it. I apologize for making the game way harder on you than I should have. Got hit with some things at work unexpectedly so couldn't post as much as I'd have liked. Which may or may not have helped me who knows. Thank you hosts! | ||
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On June 20 2017 09:53 Fidei86 wrote: Woo The Obs QT confirmed that I still get credit for the win even though I was D1'd. It was all apart of the Master Plan lol | ||
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