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On January 05 2018 01:53 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: Hello, /in. Hopefully goes better than the one game I played in real life. welcome! | ||
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On January 18 2018 21:36 Holyflare wrote: Twat is smart. yeah | ||
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On January 18 2018 22:27 Damerion wrote: He has BeenThereDoneThat, Holyflare and Rsoultin as his town I believe. Damdred believes Holyflare is the best mafia player on the site and always hedges on him, so his read on Holyflare seems out of character at the time. His read on BeenThereDoneThat is based on much less than he normally would give, and no reasoning or interaction with Rsoultin. Damdred is excellent at finding town, I believe he might be the best in that regard. However this is out of line for him to act this way. I will respect you wanting to wait on him however. This is true | ||
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On January 18 2018 22:33 Damdred wrote: But I disagree with the read, firstly I do recognize my word usage of the word like has at times.... been extreme. And I am surprised that nobody has really caught it a bit to that point. But once I realized what I was doing a few games ago with getting excited I decided it was time to eliminate it just because as you put it sounding like "a valley girl" is not appealing to me lol. On January 18 2018 22:33 Damdred wrote: really interesting you came out against me though, not sure what it makes you. I am a hard target so I give you credit damer for coming at me, but also seems like a way to change conversation away from DF and moc who I guess you have at null? So hm I guess i'm leaning town on damer seems a bit suicidal way to bring attention to himself in that way especially with the game kinda stale? So you agree his read is based on something true, but you're not sure what it makes Damerion ? The only reason to think he's town would be "he would be suicidal to attack you as scum" ? Even though you're saying his reasonning for attacking you is right ? Makes no sense. | ||
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I also don't like rsoul being the Damdred whisperer and being bothered with him but not poking him to get a proper read | ||
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On January 19 2018 02:36 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: Hi, Can you explain what is weird about his post in your eyes? Yeah, this is the post in question: On January 18 2018 18:56 beentheredonethat wrote: Its a normal start for HF, youre giving him too much credit. No reason to be disappointed. The whole thing feels weird. Tina is having a good start, I like her. I also like hfs cream joke since it feels genuine, but that's pretty nai. Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. I know most scums have a hard time making their first post. It's a scary thing to do. So they think about it a lot. And I think this post above might indicate this fear of entering the thread with a bad post. BTDT is answering to something mderg says, and could have posted it like that, but then his view of the whole game: liking Tina, liking HF and who we should pressure. It's like he thought his first line wasn't good enough for a first post, and he had to explain exactly his whole view of the game. | ||
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On January 19 2018 07:07 rsoultin wrote: I think my phone is now cutting off sentences or in posting too sleepily :/ DF reason to post first post not clear to me. Want to lynch HF for difficult to explain reasons. I think it's mostly a sense of leechyness, like he's a mind parasite adding bottom but etting some things on and kissing in others. Both of which he can also do as an active player but usually with his own thoughts actually mixed in. I also know that lynching him is like pulling teeth, especially on day one. How do you expect me to have a conversation with Damdred when we werent around at the same time, Rels? This post is pretty townie. To answer the question: dunno. | ||
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On January 19 2018 07:55 Damdred wrote: I dont think I have ever panicked from pressure as scum. If I have an example of that should be quite easy to find. Also i dont believe that me trying to remove a word from my postings degrades my town game. I noticed something and changed it, big whoop. I can disagree with how he is using a point and still agree that something is/was factually correct however. tina and kel can enter the town pile and hf can get out of it. I do not think he can be this obtuse as town. Hi sleepy tina lol | ||
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On January 19 2018 23:51 rsoultin wrote: I'm beginning to wonder if everyone is just tryin to butter me up now -_- I need a hit of twatty hate. I started rabbit holing on ksc earlier then just threw up my hands and said fuck it hes on board with me without being a complete yes man. You. Telling me I'm town is lovely and all but the game would be much easier for me if a town Rels showed face. sure. Let's lynch BTDT and talk about DF. ##Unvote ##Vote beentheredonethat | ||
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But this post seems like scum to me | ||
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On January 20 2018 00:03 rsoultin wrote: Tina brains says he made one post Tina. Be cool. Tina heart says ♡! That's new. That's right. That's exciting. I may actually have a town rels. Either coincidence fucked him or he really should have responded to that, shouldn't he? yep. BTDT and DF are probably not scum together though. DF only big post is about BTDT. | ||
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mderg can be scum as well then | ||
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he's just kinda floating in the thread, and his list post was out of nowhere and the reasonning were pretty vague. So it didn't match my view of him being top-tier scum. Then I checked and he was not the top-tier scum I remembered. But checking his last town game where he got lynched D1 he was also apparently just floating around | ||
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On January 20 2018 00:16 rsoultin wrote: I have no clue. I've been living under the sand for awhile while getting my masters. I thought he was the easy scum catch I picked out in a protoss pick your power game and wasn't worrying about him as a sleeper cell. Feel similarly about btdt and df....but not completely. Giant post without push doesn't exactly scream that it can't be scum/scum. Giant post on btdt but pushing mocsta anyway diminished the impact of it. If that happened, then the most likely likely scenario is that he saw I didn't like BTDT first post, made his big post, then "discovered" I didn't like BTDT first post to buddy me | ||
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On January 20 2018 00:36 rsoultin wrote: Maybe. Why you? Other than the implicit hes scum your town obvious in that reasoning...I mean you're a strong town player, but you haven't been a force in this game. dunno. But if it's not that I don't think it's likely he made his first and only big post on his partner - push or not push | ||
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On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote: I think Damdred is overselling his ability to bus, he has stated multiple times in the past he wants to move away from bussing. And the onky reason he bussed in his last scum game was because it was an accident and his team accidently voted with him. Damdred I would like your thoughts on the above. | ||
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On January 20 2018 01:50 Kmatt wrote: Real quick, does anyone find Twat to be sketchy at this point? I had him casually marked as town like most people earlier, but he ducked out immediately after asking a question earlier. While I'm in no place to call out AFK what with my new "don't lead a mislynch wagon d1" strat, the fact that he was being townread, then asked someone (Rels' doubt of BTDT, for what it's worth) a question, and bailed feels wrong to me. Being thread is a perfect reason to talk more. Rels even comes back with a substantial answer. Seems pretty scummy to take your towncred and run with it like that. I answered his question long after he asked it, like 20 hours after, so I don't think this in particular means much. | ||
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On January 20 2018 03:48 beentheredonethat wrote: I come here, read just the top of page 17, and it's a btdt wagon. that's scum pushing afk btdt. I've literally been there, done that. so anything I'm supposed to answer? I'm not catching up rn, im tired. do something | ||
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On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote: The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good. On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote: Kelsier sticks out as particularly odd in this progression This implies some sense of skepticism or town read on me. He then 180s more or less by giving a vague summary of my filter to justify the current hot-take in the thread. What is this reasoning? Why do you prefer to lynch DF > BTDT but if BTDT doesn't do anything, then BTDT > DF. How does this make any sense? Why would your lynch preference change if nothing changes? I don't follow how KSC asking for a clarification of his read on you implies he townreads you. | ||
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On January 20 2018 04:59 darthfoley wrote: Okay so I looked through Kelscier's filter. Basically. + Show Spoiler + At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread. Now that people seem to be warming to the idea of DF/BTDT wagons, mderg is conveniently forgotten even though he doesn't provide any explanation. Like he goes through all this effort to basically summarize my whole filter as some justification to vote me. That ain't true, there was this post posted before the one you quoted: On January 19 2018 19:59 KelsierSC wrote: Ok that makes some sense. So based on rsoultin and HF's discussion and previous thoughts. You believe that damdred is town and Rels is scum who has just sidled onto the wagon without saying much. Do you think one of HF and damerion is also scum aswell? or both? | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote: need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched. we still have a few hours | ||
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On January 20 2018 00:40 Rels wrote: Damdred I would like your thoughts on the above. | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:34 Damdred wrote: Sure, I liked his poatings and tone. he seemes free and relaxed, no hidden motivation to me reading his posts. Not super panicked about being lynched as well. Ovrall hes a bit side lined but i like him meh really disagree. Posting "I will AFK but I'm open to answer questions if anyone has any" is like a normal reaction from a scum that doesn't want to tryhard. Not saying it makes BTDT scum, but it's not a reaction that proves he's town. Don't know why he's lock town in your mind for that | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:50 Damdred wrote: to whatbpart? i have tryied to give up the bus, and laat time was accidental. But i do love bussing and the cred i get meh I think I saw you mention you love bussing at least 20 times since I've been playing mafia here. So I find weird that your friend Damerion is saying you're overselling your ability to bus. So since you know him well, I want to know if you think he could think that as town or not | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote: And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt? I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games. See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter. So please walk me through it. this is a pretty sexy post | ||
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On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote: Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please. Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK". On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote: BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes. The progression in this post is scummy to me 1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit. 2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read) 3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?) It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF. This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta. I'm not understanding his thought progression at all - it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game. - two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ? | ||
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On January 20 2018 04:22 Holyflare wrote: Lol btdt and damdred are a team On January 20 2018 06:13 Holyflare wrote: "now I'm yelling" should be translated to "now I'm actually home" Btdt came into the thread saw votes and fucked off. Damdred also then tries to start a wagon against df siting that he just wants to get 2 votes and effectively leave. Damdred is definitely making me biased to prefer btdt (coupled with the apathy from btdt) over df. But damdred lynch should one million percent be the lynch. Mocsta/btdt/damdred. I don't understand this obsession of BTDT and Damdred being a team like it should be obvious. When Damdred is one of the biggest busser on the website. That reasonning makes no sense, and it doesn't prove BTDT and Damdred are a team. | ||
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On January 20 2018 07:23 rsoultin wrote: Damerion's first game comes closest to actually matching Holyflare's characterization. Extremely good reads there, mafia team call outs early. Still not the one at a time to exclusion of everyone else bit, but solid. Lol it's funny rels cause my thought is I kind of want to lynch Damerion >> I just...why the fuck mischaracterize something so easy to check in hf's case? no this doesn't prove anything, HF thinks this is true whatver alignment he is. But he's so focused on Damdred for something so minor. So sure. And then when Damdred comes and says BTDT is town, automatically they're a team. And then this whole pointless debate about him being at work, which goes nowhere. Just a pointless discussion in which he argues just to win the debate, just like he does as scum. | ||
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On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote: Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more. What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things. Maybe I should be less active instead then? HF you're spending so much time defending against this accusation. Nobody else gave a shit. Then later: On January 20 2018 06:40 Holyflare wrote: You're also doing irrelevant Damerion questioning. There's two people up for lynch afaik. Damdred and df. I would like a little more focus on that. Or even mocsta. Why are people voting df? So you're fighting strongly for BTDT/Damdred to be lynched over DF but you have no idea why people scumread him. Makes no sense ot me. Then later On January 20 2018 06:53 Holyflare wrote: I have read df's filter and I have determined he is not the lynch. AT ALL. I'm sticking my neck out and taking a stance. Cool. Why ? But more importantly, it's super late compared to your strong stances about BTDT / Damdred in the posts above. And this whole pointless explanation about how you didn't post before because you were working but now you can post is pointless. | ||
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On January 20 2018 07:30 rsoultin wrote: Well, I'm not townreading him for sure. But I want to consolidate on not-Damdred so... That's everyone on my original list of seven except you if I remember correctly. Who I'd vote over Damdred. I still don't like darth foley really but I remember not liking him anyway as town so that should be taken with a grain of salt. Damerion though...this doesn't read like his last three town games at all. And the meta's being applied wrong. I think I'd prefer his lynch over everyone now >< yeah I also don't like Damerion. In addition to what I've said earlier I didn't like that he came back just to tunnel Damdred some more. When in the other games I skimmed earlier he seemed to always have a more global view in mind | ||
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On January 20 2018 07:36 Holyflare wrote: I don't understand why it's so fucking hard to lynch damdred when he's literally doing shit all and makes a post to appease people and fucks off again. It's really quite simple that this is nothing like town damdred at all. I think I modkilled Damdred twice recently for activity. Or modkilled him once and warned him once. Him fucking off doesn't make him scum. Him doing kinda nothing D1 doesn't make him scum. | ||
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On January 20 2018 07:43 Holyflare wrote: no idea where the text went but it said: POINT OUT WHERE I FIGHT STRONGLY FOR BTDT AND DAMDRED OVER DF. It's literally 2 fucking posts outlining legit points and then I read df and he looked fine ez On January 20 2018 04:22 Holyflare wrote: Lol btdt and damdred are a team On January 20 2018 06:13 Holyflare wrote: "now I'm yelling" should be translated to "now I'm actually home" Btdt came into the thread saw votes and fucked off. Damdred also then tries to start a wagon against df siting that he just wants to get 2 votes and effectively leave. Damdred is definitely making me biased to prefer btdt (coupled with the apathy from btdt) over df. But damdred lynch should one million percent be the lynch. Mocsta/btdt/damdred. On January 20 2018 06:15 Holyflare wrote: But it also proves I'm smart and follow through with my thoughts. Past me was really good. On January 20 2018 06:15 Holyflare wrote: I don't remember why I typed that though but past me was clearly ahead of his time. On January 20 2018 06:17 Holyflare wrote: I think it's because I saw this and instantly thought he was mafia. Now confirmed mafia damdred is pushing AWAY from btdt because "reasons" onto df for nothing? On January 20 2018 06:18 Holyflare wrote: Stop wasting your time and brandishing your flagrantly wrong damdred read and vote him. On January 20 2018 06:33 Holyflare wrote: Kelsier Rsoultin Rels Damerion Mderg Prplhz Df Damdred Mocsta Btdt Town Townish Scummish Scum No particular order in brackets. Prplhz is town. | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:52 Rels wrote: I think I saw you mention you love bussing at least 20 times since I've been playing mafia here. So I find weird that your friend Damerion is saying you're overselling your ability to bus. So since you know him well, I want to know if you think he could think that as town or not | ||
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On January 20 2018 07:55 Holyflare wrote: no rels that is complete bull shit they are all responses to "HF is pushing btdt and damdred over df now!" and who gives a shit if I was? I don't remember df doing anything bad and I remember all those others doing bad things and damdred, my scum read, deflecting to df should I not be pushing anyone? do what you will. 90% of what you're doing since you entered the thread today is engaging pointless debates about explaining what you did and why you did it. | ||
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On January 20 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote: and does that make me mafia or just someone who engages in pointless debates about explaining what I did and why I did it? mafia probably | ||
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On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote: And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it? In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be. that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly. Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction | ||
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oh yeah you're right I think I want to vote Damdred again | ||
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On January 18 2018 22:33 Damdred wrote: But I disagree with the read, firstly I do recognize my word usage of the word like has at times.... been extreme. And I am surprised that nobody has really caught it a bit to that point. But once I realized what I was doing a few games ago with getting excited I decided it was time to eliminate it just because as you put it sounding like "a valley girl" is not appealing to me lol. On January 18 2018 22:43 Damdred wrote: No seriously, I caught myself doing something and tried to change it just in time for someone to catch on and try to hammer me to the wall this game, thats some mighty fine irony I tell you what. I forgot how stupid this reasonning is | ||
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On January 20 2018 08:16 Rels wrote: I forgot how stupid this reasonning is how do you even catch yourself using "like" too much ? How do you catch that you use it more as one alignment than the other ? | ||
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meh I think I see what you mean. I just skimmed all his mafia games I didn't find a similar post, being peaceful with his lynch. But the "like" thing is so stupid ... | ||
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On January 18 2018 22:33 Damdred wrote: But I disagree with the read, firstly I do recognize my word usage of the word like has at times.... been extreme. And I am surprised that nobody has really caught it a bit to that point. But once I realized what I was doing a few games ago with getting excited I decided it was time to eliminate it just because as you put it sounding like "a valley girl" is not appealing to me lol. This, in bold, is what makes the less sense. "Being surprised that nobody noticed before" means he changed it because he thought it could be used to catch him as scum. But in the last sentence he's saying he changed it because he didn't like how he sounded. Doesn't add up. I think he invented quickly a reason to explain Damerion's attack. | ||
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On January 20 2018 08:51 rsoultin wrote: Seriously rels? -_- How does being surprised no one has caught that he uses the word like before translate to a contradiction with sounding like a valley girl? I really don't think Damdred is scum here :/ I'm not going to say 100% sure because I'm not, but...it doesn't feel like scum to me. Meh. The first post of the post reads as though he changed his usage of the word 'like' because he realized it could be used to catch him as scum. If not, why would he be surprised that nobody realized it before ? In other words, because it's kinda hard to explain. Damdred says: "I changed my usage of the word 'like' because I didn't want to sound like a valley girl". So he doesn't realize he's not using it as scum. Why would people realize he's using this word too much ? Why would Damdred be concerned about it ? He wouldn't. That makes no sense. So that is not the reason Damdred is concerned about people's realization of his usage of the word 'like'. | ||
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On January 20 2018 20:18 rsoultin wrote: Yeah so... I still want Damerion. Holyflare is still wrong. In his world, the meta read was developed on the fly during the course of this game, where clearly as Damerion himself admitted he compiled it after his last game with Damdred. Using a meta read that you believe to be true is something that any scummer can do. The tunneling to the exclusion of the global game does not resemble ANY of his three prior town games. At all. (And honestly he reminds me of an old player and friend here who played scum just like this, but that's neither here nor there). More to the point, as town I would expect an attempt to use a new meta read, but I would not expect this level of surety this early. The 'like' bullshit that holyflare latched onto so hard is not something that you could reasonably expect to get a read on that early in the game. Rather than using a meta read as a tool, Damerion used it as a bludgeon, and the holyflare cheerleading oh he's amazing and always right feels dirty to me. I recognize that this doesn't make holyflare scum, though; he's not an honest player as either alignment and will say what he can to get his lynch. So whatever. Damerion should be the lynch. If only because I need to redeem myself for being such a boob yesterday. But also because he's scum. Not because he was wrong. Because of how he used the meta case and ignored everything else. He's clearly a good town player so he gets no 'oh maybe he's new, overconfident and overeager' from me. I'm going to trust vets and coached newbies to know what to do if they're vig here. Damerion's the lynch tomorrow. Going out with Lex for awhile. I'll look at the rest of the game hopefully tonight. Agree with all of this. | ||
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On January 21 2018 22:37 Mocsta wrote: in hindsight .. i dont like this post Note the capital No mid sentence.. reflects to me an importance om darthfoley Want to hear more from this guy. Tell me about mderg pls lol it's so far fetched | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:45 KelsierSC wrote: reckon the mafia QT was like darth - Yo HF, damerion get back in the thread i'm getting fucked hf, damerion - got your back fam. --- this is not town damdred look at damdred he is so scum. ---- dramatised obvz. lol | ||
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On January 23 2018 18:16 Holyflare wrote: I feel like I'm mafia this game. seems like it TBH | ||
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dunno, HF is so apathetic I have a hard time seeing him as scum even though the facts all point at him. I'm feeling it's Twat at the moment. Will have to reread to see if that makes sense | ||
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On January 23 2018 20:51 Mocsta wrote: Im an entj if that means anything to you I have a problem communicating my intraveeted intuition or "leaps of faith". And of course many times it was also wrong Well i did a few years back at least. Either way. Prob of no relevance to this game In the end. My early play got the reactions feom darthfoley that led to him being caught. So was effective to some degree. so your early play was to get reactions ? | ||
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On January 23 2018 21:10 rsoultin wrote: I read it as he caught himself saying 'like' too much generally, not in an alignment-indicative sense. yeah obviously, but it still doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote: who is this mocsta character and why is he speaking so much? dunno if DF makes his first post on mocsta, especially with that aggressive attitude, if they're partners. I know he was aggressive to me too later, saying something like "explain to me, and precisely please." If DF isn't a very good scum the game could be solved maybe. | ||
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On January 23 2018 21:14 rsoultin wrote: I don't know. It's like anything else, isn't it? If you're trying not to, say, get as worked up at people as you usually do it's generally because you don't like the behavior in yourself. Saying 'like' in a grammatically incorrect way (like geript does all the time) reads valley girl. Which in the states translates to stupid rich white girl on the West coast too consumed with her looks, money and material stuff. I have no trouble seeing why he wouldn't want to talk that way if he caught himself doing it. But maybe it's easier to understand from an American perspective because I know where the speech pattern comes from? No I don't understand. For me valley girl meant naïve girl in the wild, but even with that clarification I don't get it. I write what I want to write, and I don't stop thinking about it 'cause I'm already doing the best I can. + Damerion's accusation was about him saying "like" more as an alignment than the other, so it's not even the same thing. | ||
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On January 18 2018 17:18 Holyflare wrote: Cos I'm town. Also don't take mocsta's enthusiasm as towny. Looks pretty forced and says nothing. lol HF didn't change his reads once. Don't know if he's ever scum this game. It would make no sense | ||
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On January 23 2018 21:21 rsoultin wrote: I mean, this is all water under the bridge at this point, but given the tone of the rest of his post that's part of why I found it hard to buy holyflare's Damdred panicked story. It was an entirely stupid response to being 'caught'. In the context of the post, that was mostly a brush-off as it read to me, it just sounds like he said whatever without considering how it would look to say it. Which usually means it's just true -shrugs- A truly panicked post I would expect to be aggressively defensive. I don't agree. I saw what HF saw, IE it looked like Damdred came up with a random explanation to explain Damerion's point and tried to brush it off. | ||
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On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: Lol, as and you shall be given. I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. such perfect and sure reads 10 minutes into the game. And he sure love talking about DF. Lol I think he's in love with DF. Basically every single post of his talks about DF. Such attraction. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. On January 18 2018 21:26 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: Also you don't think Darthfoley and Mcosta Rico are together right? If so, why? On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. On January 18 2018 21:56 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: If Darthfoley was scum with Mcosta Rico, then I would expect him to have presented his "suspections" more strongly since he knows it to be true. Maybe I am over estimating. Maybe you are under estimating. On January 18 2018 22:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: Is meta that thing where people based early reads on a player's past games? Anyways, Bold doesn't make since sense everyone who thinks Darthfoley is scum is doing the same. Can you explain the word usage point more in detail with examples? On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley? Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them? On January 18 2018 22:44 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: Plus here he looks like he is squirming in the read section. When I pressured him about his DarthFoley + Mcosta Rico team read, he just eventually submitted to me and focused on allying me. On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: What do you think of Darthfoley post though? I get the want to have more info on it, but that doesn't rub you as mafia to you? What about his focus on defending himself. Do you think he is just pressured town? On January 19 2018 01:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: So if you don't like the Damdred or Mcosta Rico vote. Then who you want? Holyflare? Darthfoley? On January 19 2018 02:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: I was worried about him only seeming to have a read on damdred. But it seems strange for him if he is mafia to exclude the other two prime vote targets at the time from his pool. He also didn't seem worried to frabicate a read or what not on them. Bear in mind this is before the damdred votes piled so it would be a major gamble from him to make it impossible to chase Mcosta Rico and Darthfoley based off current suspecious of them. I felt he was town before, but I think this seals it. Thoughts? Might be partner indicative. | ||
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On January 23 2018 21:58 rsoultin wrote: Actually...even though I felt he was organic before, it is odd that twatty apparently had mocsta and darth foley as scum, but not together, but instead interacts with pretty much everyone but them. Even Damdred. Who he votes as a 'placeholder' until his scumreads talk more? yeah but actually he wasn't in the thread in the same time as both of them. But yeah about the placeholder vote, then never coming back to change it | ||
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On January 23 2018 22:48 mderg wrote: He mentions Mocsta nearly as much as df tbh. Lots of his posts that mention df are in relation to Damdred having df and Mocsta in his scum pile. The amount of focus he puts on the df and Mocsta scumreads from Damdred is much more unsettling to me. that's true. I was focused on DF so I didn't see that. Nevertheless the fact that he's seeing almost all the game from only this prism (one of Mocsta / DF is scum, I dont' know which one, Damdred is scum because he thinks both Mocsta and DF are scum) is weird to me. He's, like (lol I'm a valley girl), decided one thing is true, then he's playing the game only using this. It's not fluid, it's not chaotic like an early game should be. | ||
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On January 23 2018 23:52 Holyflare wrote: My plan is working. Excellent. I'm gonna be mad at myself if that's true. And I'll be a living hell in all future games we're in together | ||
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On January 24 2018 01:48 Damerion wrote: It might of been a small pool where we have played together, but Damdred has a remarkably large pool of games to pull from. Also it is not beyond the realm of possibility that in our long conversations Damdred and I discussed some aspects of how each other approaches the game. I don't understand the wording. Did you or did you not have long conversations about how you approach the game with each other where you discussed that point ? It should not just be in the realm of the possiblity, you should know for certain since you were the one having a discussion. | ||
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On January 24 2018 09:06 Damerion wrote: Also to give plenty of time for discussion and since I believe it clears more than myself anyway. Hard claiming cop Night One I checked Mocsta before my shift and it returned green. Night two I checked Beentheredonethat and it returned green. Holyflare caught me softing it and i seem to think it makes him town for me not being shot. Vig + Cop + what I assume is a protective role since it's a newbie seem like too much for me. So maybe there isn't a protective role. If that's the case, OK that claim is believable. If there is one though, this is a fakeclaim. | ||
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On January 24 2018 09:06 Damerion wrote: Holyflare caught me softing it and i seem to think it makes him town for me not being shot. also this screams like "PREPARED" | ||
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On January 24 2018 16:21 justanothertownie wrote: My job for this dayphase will be to read everything and doublecheck if a setup like this is actually conceivable considering past Kita Newbies. It would of course be nice. Yep. Newbie Student Mafia XXVI http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi 13 players, 10 town vs 3 scum. 2 blues: Doctor + Vigilante. Newbie Student Mafia XXV http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517593-newbie-student-mafia-xxv 13 players, 10 town vs 3 scum. 2 blues: Doctor + Vigilante. Newbie Student Mafia XVIII http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500060-newbie-student-mafia-xviii 12 players, 9 town vs 3 scum. 1 blue : Cop. | ||
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On January 24 2018 16:40 justanothertownie wrote: Yep? All of these setups are less town favored than Cop + Vig alone. And ? | ||
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On January 24 2018 16:45 justanothertownie wrote: So basically if this claim was true the setup would be unprecedentedly town favoured. Oh I read that the other way around. Maybe. It's true game could be over N1 with that setup because of the 2 invesgative roles, which is usually not the case. I don't know if there is ever 2 powerful investigative roles in a 13 players game. | ||
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On January 24 2018 17:48 Holyflare wrote: I would still believe btdt over Damerion though after d1 vote count. ? | ||
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On January 24 2018 18:40 Mocsta wrote: the problem with the darthfoley vote on btdt, is that it came about after talkign with rsoultin (who was voting btdt) hard to say if it was to appease a high town cred person, or an easy town wagon to sheep. The complexity comes in that his next post he calls rsoultin scum. (amongst btdt/me and kelsier) if you want to look @ end of wagon, it comes down to whether scum would risk bussing btdt if one of the 2 afk suddenly voted. i think its very expected on day1 for everyone to vote (heck, everyday, everyone should vote).. so i dont like a world where scum btdt/df were hoping the afks wouldnt hammer btdt. My interrogation with this post is that HF would still "believe" BTDT over Damerion, indicating he thinks BTDT might claim something, unless I misunderstood. So I want him to expand on that thought. | ||
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On January 24 2018 18:41 Mocsta wrote: well roleblocker is more synonymous with vig + protective role whilst godfather with cop. i.e. likely that scum have an RB. Scum almost always have a RB. And they usually have a GF or framer regardless of the existence of a cop, so the setup cannot be guessed by the mere presence of it. | ||
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On January 24 2018 18:53 beentheredonethat wrote: Apparently we're lynching Damerion, is there a red check? why are you posting if you can't be bothered to read the 3 pages since the flip ? | ||
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On January 24 2018 19:10 beentheredonethat wrote: Hm, summarizing: - having a Cop is unlikely with a vig in (see above) - his checks are meh - roleblocker is confirmed, so if we leave him alive for another check, scum will just roleblock and not kill him. - no counter claim, so if it is a fakeclaim, the real blue stays alive and un-outed Actually, I think lynching Damerion is a good idea. added to that, very important, he was the most likely lynch coming into D3. | ||
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On January 24 2018 19:30 justanothertownie wrote: Parrot!Rels on the case again. how does that feel to be the one being parroted ? p: | ||
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On January 24 2018 20:41 Mocsta wrote: Do you think we can vote for early day? it's almost always a bad idea. The more time we have to think about all of this the better | ||
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On January 24 2018 17:46 Holyflare wrote: You think there's a protective role that healed afk btdt 2 nights in a row? On January 24 2018 17:47 Holyflare wrote: Nevermind that healers are almost always nerfed? On January 24 2018 17:48 Holyflare wrote: I would still believe btdt over Damerion though after d1 vote count. Like, you just learned that BTDT AND Damerion both claimed blue. This is huge info, one of them is scum! Damerion, who you thought during the night was cop, got counterclaimed! But instead of raging reactions, we got this. It seems very underwhelming for such a realization. | ||
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On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote: Firstly I cannot say anything to past setups or if this one is to imbalanced for town, my checks were what I thought were the best at the moment and if I did not get the godfather we had three confirmed town with what to me seems very likely a fourth town in HolyFlare. I agree it's shitty to be attacked over something you have no control over. It doesn't make the accusation any less true. 13 players setups with 2 strong investigative roles are: - town favored - rare, so unlikely to be in a newbie game - in all 3 previous student iteration by this host, he had the standard 1 investigative + 1 protective in his 13 players games, and even going for only 1 investigative in his 12 players game for some reason. So, when you add the fact that it's basically the best moment to claim if you're scum, given that you're the prime lynch candidate, it's difficult to believe you. On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote: In any case, I still think BTDT, Mocsta and Holyflare are town in this situation, and I understand that I am the probable lynch today in any case. I have green checks on the first two, HolyFlare should of killed me as scum and he somewhat dumb telled himself when he was going over roles that scum should have to counteract a Vig+Cop when he included a framer which I do not believe is possible by the OP. HF can definitely fake something like that, so it doesn't prove anything. | ||
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On January 25 2018 01:10 justanothertownie wrote: ^^^^ Interesting observation considering the damdred/darthfoley flips. The question is: is this coincidence and does HF just have a really bad towngame or is he simply mafia? I changed my mind a few times regarding this question. But HF total lack of interest when he thought we had a claim / counterclaim situation + him believing Damerion instantly make me think he's scum and just faking this apathy. Cause it's the only thing me and rsoul townread him for. | ||
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On January 25 2018 01:18 justanothertownie wrote: Well, he is really blatantly pushing mafia agenda eod1. No shame whatsoever. But HF is the guy to do this. What exactly was the reason to townread him? Because in the lead up to the lynch where it was a race between a town and a mafia there is absolutely no apathy to be found. continue to read. And maybe apathy is the wrong choice of words, but it's the fact that his reads are static and haven't changed at all since the beginning of the game. I would expect scum!HF's game to be stronger than this. But now I think HF know this and is abusing it to appear "too scummy to be scum" compared to the expectation of his scum play. If he was town, him accepting Damerion's claim at face value is absolutely dumb. It's not only static reads anymore. | ||
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On January 25 2018 01:29 Holyflare wrote: What was the correct reaction? You have to see it from my perspective tbh. I spend the game looking at Damerion giving him the massive benefit of the doubt and crumbing cop all night so I'm excited that I was actually right. Then btdt claims rb on my way into work and I'm deflated af because I think it's a cc and my ego takes another hit at being wrong so I just auto vote Damerion and go to work (which is super busy) and don't care much more than that. Not that. And come to think of it, I'm pretty sure you would never soft that you thought damerion was blue during the night. As town that gets you nothing. As scum that prepares damerion s claim. | ||
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On January 25 2018 02:36 Kmatt wrote: I don't like lynching Damerion here without a counterclaim. It may not have been the best plan to spill the beans at the moment, but lynching him wins us no information at this point, and is unlikely to flip red (unless there's a counterclaim. Doc, if you're out there, now would be a good time). Even if he gets suppressed the rest of the game, he still votes with the town and/or eats a nightkill. As it stands BTDT or maybe HF are the better lynches. I understand the sentiment. But do your research to see if it's likely that we have two strong investigative roles: it's not. And apart from that, Damerion is the most scummy person in the thread, it's not like he's being lynched for his claim alone. | ||
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It starts with the first big post Damerion made after coming back, in which he had this part: On January 24 2018 01:48 Damerion wrote: It was simple I am supremely confident in my ability to read the game and make decisions. And I believe highly even at this moment I will find scum and will not be lynched, in fact after the night is over I believe you will be unable to lynch me. To which HF immediately reacted: On January 24 2018 02:19 Holyflare wrote: Lol I really like where this is going. I'm confirmed not mafia after tonight So. HF saw the hint that Damerion is blue, and immediately post it in the thread. Why ? What's the point of doing it if HF is town ? It gains town nothing. It's actually detrimental to the town, because if scum manage to understand it, they can use this information and kill or roleblock Damerion. Then it happens again. In another post later on, Damerion softs on his "green check" on Mocsta: On January 24 2018 03:12 Damerion wrote: In either case tomorrow I am sure I will find scum and be a hero again. Right now for instance I am sure Mocsta is town, there is no doubt in my mind. Holyflare and yourself are also high but not as high as him. And HF reacts with these two posts, showing again he thinks Damerion is blue, and more precisely, cop with a green check on mocsta: On January 24 2018 04:32 Holyflare wrote: Mocsta is my biggest town read too On January 24 2018 08:03 Holyflare wrote: No, for real. Now that he's said it I can see it. Once again, why ? The reasonning is the same as above. It's even obvious in retrospective, anyone searching for blue in the thread will pick it up - IE scums. So. It makes no sense for a town perspective to act like that. It makes total sense from a scum perspective though. The benefits are twofold: - it makes HF appear smart and thinking about the game. The ironic thing about it is that it's totally about the appearance. It only serves to appear townie; but when you take the time to think about the town motivation behind it, there is none, and it's actually detrimental to the town. Total scum pointer there. - if Damerion is his partner, this is a play prepared by both of them. It prepares the claim that will happen after the night is over: On January 24 2018 09:07 Holyflare wrote: If Damerion isn't claiming cop with a green check on mocsta then all is wrong with the world. And it attempts to gain towncred for HF: On January 24 2018 09:06 Damerion wrote: Holyflare caught me softing it and i seem to think it makes him town for me not being shot. On January 24 2018 09:18 Damerion wrote: And I disagree I think holyflare is more likely town in thia scenerio. Now here comes the meta part of this post. I think the above is sufficient to make anyone scum and making me want to lynch them. What's even scummier is that Holyflare is a player that always tries to play mindgames with the scum in order to make them waste kills or actions on Vanilla Townie. For example, he often says weird thing during the night, or says some player is an obvious blue, to confuse the scum team. But he has not done that this game. In contrario, he softed exactly who he thought was the cop 3 times in the thread. This is 100% against the way he plays. Now this is a meta read, so you will have to read some town games of his to verify it if you never played with him. But I think at least JAT can attest to it. TLDR: I think HF is scum, and I think Damerion & HF make perfect sense as a team. HF softing he thinks Damerion is blue during the night is (1) totally against a townie's interest and (2) totally against HF own meta. Furthermore, them being together actually explains these posts: it would mean they were preparing the fakeclaim as soon as Damerion re-entered the thread during N2. | ||
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On January 25 2018 07:53 Holyflare wrote: No, I actually wanted him to be shot. since the most likely outcome in that scenario was him being roleblocked, that makes no sense. | ||
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On January 25 2018 08:04 Holyflare wrote: Maybe you should think a bit deeper than your current thinking and get behind the actual plan. If he's town and gets rbd and rsolutin dies: We know there is no medic and he is almost definitely town cop because they killed the only person in the game that looked really towny without hesitation. We confirm there's a rber in the game. If he's mafia and gets "rbd": They can't use their rb on another power role because it notifies and medic gets to save. I can't believe you're arguing you softing the cop resulting in the cop being roleblocked is a good thing. | ||
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On January 25 2018 08:06 Mocsta wrote: Dont worry, my vote is staying where it is However, this batch of discussion (including JAT) is tunneled. Town or Mafia would feel pressured after Night2. I could see a blue hardclaiming in that circumstance. This is essentially a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't scenario. It doesnt matter though, the setup makes the claim extremely unlikely. However, I was having trouble sleeping last night thinking of all the different perutations with this setup. One oddity I couldnt get past regarding the the BTDT roleblock claim, is that the vet can be roleblocked for 1-shot NK. Wouldnt ideal strategy be then to RB+NK? Otherwise, vet can not only claim they are reason there was no NK, but can also claim the RB which makes them confirmed town. I still cant fathom at all how a townie could vote to avoid modkill, but avoid sharing the roleblock knowledge. The timing of everything is just frustrating. The fact that BTDT claimed being roleblocked is also in my mind, for that reason. But I don't think he's ever scum over Damerion & HF. | ||
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On January 25 2018 08:08 Holyflare wrote: you couldn't get much worse than he picked up activity after work which is coincidentally when the deadline is too so he's mafia argument though that was not the real point, and you managed to derive the debate from it. Hence, pointless debate. Like you're doing now. | ||
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This is the stupid part that is not believable as long as the RBer is not flipped. "They aren't going to shoot him because he's massive lynch bait and if he doesn't die and I've called out he's cop then I'll look better because he's not dead" Doing it pretty much assures his check is not gonna go off. This is against town best interest. Your "but the medic wouldn't be RBed in that case and rsoul lives!" is so far fetched. | ||
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On January 25 2018 08:19 Holyflare wrote: You are massively missing Kmatt's posts. The recent posts where he doesn't want to lynch Damerion against everyone are actually pretty townie. | ||
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On January 25 2018 23:48 justanothertownie wrote: Sure, not pro town at all. But also quite ballsy as mafia. Risky play for a low chance of success given the state of the game my point exactly. | ||
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On January 26 2018 00:40 mderg wrote: I can definitely see Hf's points nothing that makes Kmatt particulary scum. Especially compared to Damerion's Damdred read + claim or HF's badness + cop softness during the night. | ||
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On January 25 2018 07:40 Rels wrote: OK so I reread N2 to check that thing about HF softing he knew Damerion was blue. And it makes no sense if HF is town. It starts with the first big post Damerion made after coming back, in which he had this part: To which HF immediately reacted: So. HF saw the hint that Damerion is blue, and immediately post it in the thread. Why ? What's the point of doing it if HF is town ? It gains town nothing. It's actually detrimental to the town, because if scum manage to understand it, they can use this information and kill or roleblock Damerion. Then it happens again. In another post later on, Damerion softs on his "green check" on Mocsta: And HF reacts with these two posts, showing again he thinks Damerion is blue, and more precisely, cop with a green check on mocsta: Once again, why ? The reasonning is the same as above. It's even obvious in retrospective, anyone searching for blue in the thread will pick it up - IE scums. So. It makes no sense for a town perspective to act like that. It makes total sense from a scum perspective though. The benefits are twofold: - it makes HF appear smart and thinking about the game. The ironic thing about it is that it's totally about the appearance. It only serves to appear townie; but when you take the time to think about the town motivation behind it, there is none, and it's actually detrimental to the town. Total scum pointer there. - if Damerion is his partner, this is a play prepared by both of them. It prepares the claim that will happen after the night is over: And it attempts to gain towncred for HF: Now here comes the meta part of this post. I think the above is sufficient to make anyone scum and making me want to lynch them. What's even scummier is that Holyflare is a player that always tries to play mindgames with the scum in order to make them waste kills or actions on Vanilla Townie. For example, he often says weird thing during the night, or says some player is an obvious blue, to confuse the scum team. But he has not done that this game. In contrario, he softed exactly who he thought was the cop 3 times in the thread. This is 100% against the way he plays. Now this is a meta read, so you will have to read some town games of his to verify it if you never played with him. But I think at least JAT can attest to it. TLDR: I think HF is scum, and I think Damerion & HF make perfect sense as a team. HF softing he thinks Damerion is blue during the night is (1) totally against a townie's interest and (2) totally against HF own meta. Furthermore, them being together actually explains these posts: it would mean they were preparing the fakeclaim as soon as Damerion re-entered the thread during N2. | ||
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Actually I want every one not familar with HF type the following: I understand that Holyflare is one of the best player on this website. I understand that his play cannot be compared directly to someone like Kmatt, as way more is expected from town!Holyflare. I will lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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I understand that Holyflare is one of the best player on this website. I understand that his play cannot be compared directly to someone like Kmatt, as way more is expected from town!Holyflare. I understand that he was red checked as scum once and he managed to get the cop lynched, then survive another lynch to win. I will lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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On January 26 2018 09:06 Kmatt wrote: Does this theory on HF account for why he would bus him so quickly? I mean the whole thread was kind of against him but with how much he's been on me there wasn't even an attempt on a counterwagon. What do you mean ? HF started the day believing Damerion's claim. Then nothing happened apart from me and JAT voting Damerion, and then after the votes started to pile up he decided to vote him. It's definitely not a quick bus. | ||
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On January 26 2018 09:15 Holyflare wrote: There's a big disconnect between hf being the best mafia player on the site and mafia holyflare doing something blatantly anti town like calling out a cop claim. Does not compute. and here comes the "too scummy to be scum" defense. | ||
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On January 26 2018 09:13 Kmatt wrote: Could you link me the game where town ignores cop's check? That takes a special kind of stupid. I'm not above voting him though, he's been on my list anyway. In fact I don't think he's ever not someone I want to lynch. I'm pretty sure it was this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas Didn't check, but the players list match what I remember | ||
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On January 26 2018 09:50 Mocsta wrote: No one is 100% scum till flipped bro Damerion was 99% yeah ofc, it's a matter of speech. But I'm convinced HF is the last scum. | ||
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On January 26 2018 09:53 Mocsta wrote: Rels Whats less from a townie perspective Discussing blue claim during night with no blue nk Or fishing for roles during after cc? The first one. It's not even a debate. Have you never played as scum before ? Don't you know how HARD it is to go against something if every other player have decided something else ? | ||
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On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote: not a good idea Game is potentially lylo with a mislynch next cycle Just because a town holyflare scum reads someone. Doesnt mean they are scum Frankly i prefer kmatt as a lynch to holyflare I believe all people present feom day1 to now care too much to be scum. Hf is in this group... being wrong doesnt mean being scummy. Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play Further. I havent been convinced that the stuff hf and me picked out aboit kmatt is non scummy I this is annoying. I CREATED A COPYPASTA ABOVE WHOSE SOLE PURPOSE WAS TO FIGHT THIS: "I believe all people present feom day1 to now care too much to be scum. Hf is in this group... being wrong doesnt mean being scummy." NO. HF as scum has zero, 0, ZERO problem faking this. And it's 100% wrong he cared since D1, rsoul and I actually thought the only townie thing about him during N2 was that he was NOT caring enough ... You CANNOT compare Kmatt and HF's play directly. It doesn't not work. | ||
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"mm yeah he seems a little more active than the other dude, guess I'll lynch that other dude" IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY | ||
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On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote: Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking. If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you: - Damerion hints that he's cop during the night - HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night - Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF - HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense - When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind | ||
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yeah, it's the Himalaya's game I linked last page, in which HF was scum and red checked, and still managed to get the cop + another town lynch for the win. | ||
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On January 26 2018 18:31 Mocsta wrote: hmmm i can see that working actually Heck once the cop claim came i took my vote off Its australia day and im drunk. Will reevaluaye kmatt and holyflare if i make it to tomorrow What's Australian day ? | ||
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way more famous than independance day Happy Australian Day then | ||
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On January 18 2018 17:18 Holyflare wrote: Cos I'm town. Also don't take mocsta's enthusiasm as towny. Looks pretty forced and says nothing. On January 18 2018 17:26 rsoultin wrote: Explain. I take it you then have the opposite opinion of me on darth foley? On January 18 2018 17:38 Holyflare wrote: Too much in his filter to read. On January 18 2018 18:18 rsoultin wrote: Note to self: hf ignored question on darth foley entirely in his general sidestepping. lul. This is literally in the first 20 posts of the game. rsoul MVP | ||
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On January 26 2018 19:47 Holyflare wrote: Then stop harping on about it, leave your votes on me and talk to kmatt and actually get him to produce some reads. I will actually do the opposite and do my maximum to make sure you don't escape the lynch like you tend to do as scum. Ofc you're welcome to convince me you're town. | ||
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On January 26 2018 19:56 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe, but that's really irrelevant. The effort you have shown so far can come from mafia HF regardless of any constraints. yep. My post he quoted was not a point against him this game, it was a warning to other players that they shouldn't let him off the hook easily. So his response was totally off target. | ||
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On January 26 2018 19:58 Holyflare wrote: That didn't happen at all. I voted Damerion when he got counter claimed. You're creating a false narrative. lol. First, the false narrative was you thinking he got counterclaimed. Second, after you realized there was no counter claimed you continued voting him. | ||
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On January 26 2018 20:04 Holyflare wrote: No, stop conflating your argument. It's called a mistake about the counter claim. There is nothing more to it. After I realised that it wasn't a counter claim then I asked for his reads and he never provided them so I left my vote there. You're also not even thinking about how I'd come about voting my team mate for a counter claim when you're saying I'm mafia, who knows that rbs are notified, and would have been rbing btdt for two days straight so knew he was going to claim rb at some point (dumbest fucking rb in the entire planet might I add)! So why would I confuse someone claiming rb that I have rbed as a counter claim if I was mafia???? since what you're describing is 100% possible to be a fake dumbtell, it doesn't prove anything. You could have made this mistake as town. You could have faked it as scum. Neither is more likely considernig your scum play. I'm glad you're defending yourself with this argument now so it's used. This is exactly the kind of things that I fear will convince other players if I'm dead tomorrow. @Anyone else: don't be convinced by this. | ||
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On January 26 2018 20:36 Mocsta wrote: the only benefit of this is a vet Mafia can rb themselves too Wifom indeed Scum decides what the roleblock target is. So you CANNOT use it as something to create reads. Scum will ask themselves the question: "What's the most favorable thing we can do with the roleblock ?" If that's roleblocking BTDT because then it's weird that BTDT is roleblocked and becomes a lynch candidat because of that, they will do it. TLDR: dont' base any read on something the scum have 100% control on. Cause they thought about the implications before you. | ||
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On January 26 2018 21:06 justanothertownie wrote: Same. Comments like this make me paranoid though :p Although I think TL Mafia LXXV was the last time. hehe p: if that's the game where town wouldn't lynch obvious scum BH, I erased it from my memory | ||
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On January 26 2018 21:38 justanothertownie wrote: They shot Kelsier night 1 and DID NOT roleblock him. Noone else claimed the rb. -> btdt is town unless they didn't use the rb at all lol I feel stupid for not thinking about it. 100% confirmed. | ||
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On January 26 2018 21:45 Mocsta wrote: umm guys. stop being doo-doo heads tahts an exact replica of what we discussed hes either confirmed town, or confirmed scum yes 100% confirmed. what isnt is alignment.. i know you are trying, but take a nap please. no it's différent. Because if he's scum and faking being roleblocked, it means they roleblocked their kill target. Do you follow ? Why wouldn't they roleblock their kill target if they are not using the roleblock and thinks about fakeclaiming the roleblock anyway ? But now we have the proof they DIDNT use the roleblock on their kill target. So if BTDT is scum, that means they didn't use the roleblock on anyone, which is very, very unlikely. So BTDT is town. | ||
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- BTDT is town and has been roleblocked - BTDT is scum fakeclaiming, scum have used the roleblock on their kill target. Neither scenario is more likely than the other, so it's not worth talking about. BUT as JAT said, the second scenario is not possible, as KSC wasn't roleblocked. So the two scenarios become: - BTDT is town and has been roleblocked - BTDT is scum fakeclaiming, scum have NOT use their roleblock. And that second scenario is almost impossible. | ||
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On January 26 2018 21:59 Mocsta wrote: the fact that I think its OK to RB a separate target, to the Kill already supports there is more than one answer you guys are bickering over your ideologies of how to play the game right its stupid. yes teh fakeclaim is unlikley, but its certainly not 100% confirmed. In a way I agree, 100% is a way of saying it's past any reasonnable doubts. But in this case I really think it's near 100%. Because, put yourself in the place of the scumteam. They decide to fake a roleblock. Why wouldn't they use the roleblock on this kill target ? It's a free action that only has benefits; it's not like anybody is gonna notice it, since their kill target willl ... well, be killed; but if their kill target is a veteran or a vig, it's a net gain. | ||
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On January 20 2018 07:26 Rels wrote: no this doesn't prove anything, HF thinks this is true whatver alignment he is. But he's so focused on Damdred for something so minor. So sure. And then when Damdred comes and says BTDT is town, automatically they're a team. And then this whole pointless debate about him being at work, which goes nowhere. Just a pointless discussion in which he argues just to win the debate, just like he does as scum. On January 20 2018 07:37 Rels wrote: Yep I really hate all of these. HF you're spending so much time defending against this accusation. Nobody else gave a shit. Then later: So you're fighting strongly for BTDT/Damdred to be lynched over DF but you have no idea why people scumread him. Makes no sense ot me. Then later Cool. Why ? But more importantly, it's super late compared to your strong stances about BTDT / Damdred in the posts above. And this whole pointless explanation about how you didn't post before because you were working but now you can post is pointless. | ||
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On January 20 2018 23:26 Mocsta wrote: I shall illuminate my top 2 reads in further detail to connect how and more importantly why they are a scum pairing. Please refer to my 4000 word case below. Why is DF scum Read DF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this.... + Show Spoiler + Why is HF scum Read HF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this... + Show Spoiler + and... wait for it. Why does it work together + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On January 26 2018 23:20 Holyflare wrote: I'm beginning to think you might just actually be mafia you know. This is beyond normal levels of being obtuse. After repeatedly asking you to do anything else because you're wrong on me you're just repeating the same things. You're also trying to buddy jat super hard. Fight me bro. And I'm doing something else. I'm rereading the entire game. And everything that I see conforts me in the sentiment I'm right. | ||
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On January 26 2018 23:26 Holyflare wrote: Ok well how about you read it with the sentiment that I'm not mafia and then come up with an alternative. how about you convince me someone is scummier than you are | ||
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On January 26 2018 23:31 Holyflare wrote: I also have qualms with what you've posted. You criticise my damdred read repeatedly but also voted him at the end of the day (before switching) for the exact same reason. After he's already dead and you're talking about me you still can't get over how damdred spotted he used "like" a lot and what a coincidence it was. So why did you say the damdred point was "so minor" to shit on me vut simultaneously believe in it and can't get over it? Furthermore, me shit fighting about work and pointless discussions for the sake of it does not make me mafia. Much like trying to discuss my thought processes with you isn't pointless. People at the time (rsoultin) were trending towards scum reading me for really bad points and if I see something wrong that discredits me needlessly for an easily provable truth then I will fight it till I'm blue in the face or that person changes their mind. That's just my personality. The problem is you getting lost in a pointless debate, not your reason to scumread Damdred. That's why I quoted these two posts above. And it does make you mafia more often than not. | ||
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@HF yes I'm convinced you're scum. But contrary to what you're insinuating, I always reconsider, no matter how sure I feel - see EOD1 for example. So start playing if you want to change my mind. Whining that you'll be the lynch and that everybody is tunneled doesn't advance the game. | ||
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On January 26 2018 23:56 Holyflare wrote: Are you that fucking tunnelled that you think I'm posting nothing but whining? The entire time I've been telling you to do other stuff and pointing out kmatt while you yell absurdities about how good you're being. stop whining | ||
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On January 27 2018 00:03 Holyflare wrote: Ok, let's hypothetically say I'm not mafia. Who is mafia now then? Low hanging fruit analogy is bull shit when it's not btdt who already looked fine, it's not likely twat/jat because they looked fine at the beginning of the game (yes, I said they might be mafia this cycle but ignore that) it's probably not rels. So that leaves mocsta, who was my scum read or kmatt who has become my scum read. I looked into kmatt, I found a lot of inconsistencies and points that were strange and made a case. His filter is really small and full of just posting for literally the sake of posting pretty much +1ing or being contradictory to a main wagon. He has no scum reads, he scum read a town read and that's about it. I don't like this type of question 'cause if I'm sure you're scum, it's also because I have reasons to townread everyone else. If you're not scum, the obvious answer is Kmatt, but more by default and 'cause I have stronger reasons to townread anyone else than him. But he looks more like low-activity town than scum. | ||
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On January 27 2018 00:09 Holyflare wrote: Hard pass. I'm not old hf. Only reason I can post today is because work is slacking but even then I can't do that. Next day is during weekend. | ||
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On January 27 2018 00:18 Holyflare wrote: What are your reasons to town read mderg, mocsta and kmatt? I feel like you're lying and you don't have reasons to town read some of them but you're so far gone you don't see another conclusion. I will do a last will post before deadline where I explain all these reads before I'm dead. The short versions are: - mderg has some very intelligent post early in the game, in particular calling you and Damerion out. - Mocsta has some very unlikely interaction with DF if they were partners. - And given how low-impact Kmatt seems to be as a player, I don't see him going against the thread's consensus and try to save his partner Damerion during D3. The details will arrive when I'm home. | ||
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On January 27 2018 01:20 beentheredonethat wrote: the thing is that if Rels is so tunneled on someone, it always ends up a guy being town and then Rels flips town when he gets lynched in lylo for whatever weird reason. So we're gonna lose this game because of this nightkill, a holyflare mislynch into a Rels mislynch. that's pretty wrong actually. That happened, but more often than not late game I'm tunneling a scum. Sometimes he gets lynched sometimes I get lynched. My play gets better the farther we advance in the game . | ||
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On January 27 2018 01:26 beentheredonethat wrote: Yeah that's exactly what I thought You'd never wtf the roleblocker twice in a row on afk and mod warned btdt. Dont get distracted by WIFOM stuff. Maybe scum had a strong read on you being blue and that's why they RBd you. Or maybe they wanted you to claim RB so they could push you because "mm it's weird BTDT got roleblocked, it's a fake claim". You shouldn't based your reads based on something scum is controlling 100%. | ||
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On January 27 2018 01:27 beentheredonethat wrote: uh oh What about it ? These are why I think he's town | ||
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On January 27 2018 01:29 beentheredonethat wrote: Wait. I am not on that list because he accepts Damerion's claim and lists me as town. This is the part I don't understand. Why do you say Kmatt is listing you as town ? Or are you talking about Damerion listing you as town ? | ||
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On January 24 2018 15:00 Kmatt wrote: As much as I dislike HF's post for reasons Mocsta stated above, a Godfather is certainly on the table. I'd be happy lynching the Twat Slot/JAT today. BTDT is sketchy too, but I'm still unsure how to interpret his roleblock claim. I know if I was playing as Godfather I could use that excuse if I knew the people who had been roleblocked are dead and I can claim it uncontested. If there's no RB in a (semi-)closed setup then I'd be even bolder to take that potential credit. I'll wait to hear more on him. | ||
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- Kmatt townread BTDT (when he actually didn't) - Kmatt didn't think of the possilbility of a GF immediately (when he actually did) I also don't understand why you're "fixed" on a setup, but let's start with these first. | ||
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On January 27 2018 02:40 beentheredonethat wrote: I understand me missing in the list of "potential towns" as Kmatt reading me as "confirmed town" which he can only know if he is scum OR if he believes the claim. ????? In the post JUST BEFORE, literally 6 minutes before the one you're quoting, he was talking about you YOU COULD BE THE GODFATHER. How do you make the leap from that to "oh he must think I'm confirmed town ? Reread carefully these series of posts: On January 24 2018 15:00 Kmatt wrote: As much as I dislike HF's post for reasons Mocsta stated above, a Godfather is certainly on the table. I'd be happy lynching the Twat Slot/JAT today. BTDT is sketchy too, but I'm still unsure how to interpret his roleblock claim. I know if I was playing as Godfather I could use that excuse if I knew the people who had been roleblocked are dead and I can claim it uncontested. If there's no RB in a (semi-)closed setup then I'd be even bolder to take that potential credit. I'll wait to hear more on him. On January 24 2018 15:06 Kmatt wrote: Beyond that I'm willing to accept Damerion's claim(s), which puts the remaining potential townies at Mocsta/Rels/HF/Mderg. Rels is on the nice list, as is Mderg. HF is still HF, but he's certainly not my vote today. Mocsta is more null to me. A lot of text but nothing stands out to say "This guy is town". Cop checks are a bit more reliable than my gut, so until we get into a 4-way cop claim-off I'll let him slide. On January 24 2018 15:10 Kmatt wrote: Actually looking back over filters, Twat went full AFK, even moreso than me. I'll hold on to my vote to see how JAT looks today. If nothing else I'll ice BTDT. Do you still believe he townread you at any point during these ? | ||
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On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote: whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks If that makes you feel better, I was much more angry before, then I edited these posts before posting so that my point is crystal clear. I think the problem is that you ignored the first D3 post of Kmatt, in which: - he talks about a GF - he scumread you So that makes your whole theory fall apart. | ||
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On January 27 2018 03:16 beentheredonethat wrote: Rels just killed all of my motivation to continue to play this game. I'm vt and I'll piss off until like sunday or something. lol. You state two false assertions, then build a theory on it. I prove to you that your two assertions are false. Now either you agree, and we can start talking about something else, or you don't agree, and we can continue talking about it. No need to pussy out. | ||
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On January 27 2018 03:16 beentheredonethat wrote: Rels just killed all of my motivation to continue to play this game. And don't put the responsability on me for something you decided to do. Thanks. You're getting angry because you were wrong. I understand the feeling, just get back in a few hours and everything will be OK. | ||
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On January 27 2018 03:46 beentheredonethat wrote: A reaction proving me wrong is perfectly fine. BUT A REACTION!!!!!! PROVING MEEEEEEE ??????? WRONGGFGGGG GISSSSSS NOOOOTTTT!!! let's see if you'll notice the subtle difference K I got it. Let's get back to the game. Did you read Kmatt first D3 post ? | ||
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On January 27 2018 03:47 beentheredonethat wrote: ya know I'm acknowledging what you guys are saying yet I still prefer to stick to my conclusion. As I said, jat is entitled to his opinion, so are you. But I'm not blaming you guys for coming to a different conclusion. So unless you're up to calming this down, saying "Hey, okay, actually, we should both calm down, be quiet for an hour and then return and have a constructive discussion", I'll spend my time in a more valuable and fun way. Because this is leading to nothing. Well it's, like, exactly what I've just said p: On January 27 2018 03:20 Rels wrote: And don't put the responsability on me for something you decided to do. Thanks. You're getting angry because you were wrong. I understand the feeling, just get back in a few hours and everything will be OK. So no problem if you wanna come back in a hour if you want. What I have a problem with is you having a conclusion I don't understand, because I think you're wrong and I'm right, and I would like to win the game. So let's talk about your conclusion. Have you read Kmatt's first D3 post ? In it, he talks about a godfather, and he calls you scum. Doesn't that goes against your reasonning ? | ||
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On January 27 2018 04:20 Holyflare wrote: Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle. ? | ||
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On January 27 2018 04:39 Holyflare wrote: Not really. He says that btdt is sketchy but then lists out "potential remaining town" and says mocsta is also sketchy but then says that he'll let him pass because of the cop check. It's just choosing names and seeing what sticks. Why does he not let btdt slide for being rbd AND cop checked? Now that the cop is dead he didn't revisit any of those reads. In fact he didn't even mention them again because he is jumping on the opportunity to follow sentiment and go for me. 'cause he scumread BTDT previously + he had this theory on how he would fakeclaim a roleblock if he was scum. They're not great posts but they're not scummy. | ||
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BTDT is almost conf town, due to being roleblocked while KSC didn't get roleblocked, ensuring his roleblock claim is true. JAT is playing exactly how I remember him playing as town, and we have like exactly the same conclusions for everything that has happened. Pretty sure he's town. Mocsta got interactions with DF that are hard to fake as partners. The most important two are this post by DF, immediately after he entered the game: On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote: who is this mocsta character and why is he speaking so much? Opening aggressively like that on your partner is possible, but not that likely. And this post by Mocsta during N1: On January 20 2018 23:26 Mocsta wrote: I shall illuminate my top 2 reads in further detail to connect how and more importantly why they are a scum pairing. Please refer to my 4000 word case below. Why is DF scum Read DF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this.... + Show Spoiler + Why is HF scum Read HF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this... + Show Spoiler + and... wait for it. Why does it work together + Show Spoiler + Making a post like that on your partner is kinda unlikely. There is also a lot of attacks between them during D1, especially from DF who tried to push Damerion "being vague" when it wasn't the case. Nothing alone is impossible but all of this added make them pretty unlikely to be partners. mderg has had a brillant game if HF is scum. He basically called everything I'm thinking now, but earlier than me. He was attacking Damerion early D1, thinking his attack on Damdred was BS: On January 18 2018 23:04 mderg wrote: I really don't like the way Damerion is making his case on Damdred, though. Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine. Wasn't convinced by DF: On January 19 2018 19:51 mderg wrote: The goal of that list was not to put out anything groundbrakingly new. It's a way to summarize and organize my thoughts. Everything df said (except the townread on Rels imo) kind of makes sense. But I had pretty much no idea what he said before going through his filter. So his play feels a bit off despite making logically sound arguments. He had this post D2, in which his 2 "would lynch" candidates are Damerion and HF: On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote: Taking a look at the votes: I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched. Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though. I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df. So this is where I'm at: That leaves us with: TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point? Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch. Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him. prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon. Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch. mderg: I'm obviously town Finally during D2, he was one of the few voting Damerion, resulting in the vote being 4-3 prp-Damerion. If one person voting prp had voted Damerion instead, or if one non-voter had voted Damerion before Damerion got to 4 votes, Damerion would have been lynched instead of prp, which make it unlikely that mderg and Damerion are partner: Damerion had a real chance of being lynched D2, and mderg could have voted prp easily given prp's play, and not risk his partner dying. Kmatt: his filter is kinda weak. If HF was not in the game he would be my scumread via POE for sure. But contrary to what BTDT or HF are saying, I don't see inconsistencies in his reads, only low activity and not very explained reads. The big thing that makes me think he's town is the fact that he tried to convince people to switch off Damerion during D3. This is a very baller thing to do that had 0 chance of success given the thread consensus and Kmatt's town influence. | ||
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- has been pushing for mafia objectives all game long: lynch Damdred or BTDT over DF during D1, lynch prp over Damerion D2, soft a role during the night N2, believed Damerion's claim D3. Now I want to make it clear that being wrong does not make anyone scum by itself. But. HF is a very strong a logical player, as either alignment. And this game is being seen more or less the same way by a lot of players I consider strong: rsoultin, KSC, JAT ... but HF for some reason has had the exact opposite view of the game than all of these players. Even if it doesn't make HF scum by itself, it's a big indicator that he's been this wrong in this straight-forward game. - has entered pointless debate mode whenever he's been attacked. That started D1 when he deflected rsoul's accusation of defending DF by saying he was going home, which was not the original point; and that continued all game until earlier, where he was whining about being tunneled so much and trying to throw shade at me. - and last but not least, my case on him. Regardless of everything I've said above, the case by itself make him scum. It's just impossible that town!HF would risk the cop getting roleblocked. I know that for a player that never played with HF, it seems dumb to have that kind of certainty over this: if that's the case and you refuse to take my word for it, I would ask you to do your research and verify how HF plays as town during the night. | ||
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On January 25 2018 07:40 Rels wrote: OK so I reread N2 to check that thing about HF softing he knew Damerion was blue. And it makes no sense if HF is town. It starts with the first big post Damerion made after coming back, in which he had this part: To which HF immediately reacted: So. HF saw the hint that Damerion is blue, and immediately post it in the thread. Why ? What's the point of doing it if HF is town ? It gains town nothing. It's actually detrimental to the town, because if scum manage to understand it, they can use this information and kill or roleblock Damerion. Then it happens again. In another post later on, Damerion softs on his "green check" on Mocsta: And HF reacts with these two posts, showing again he thinks Damerion is blue, and more precisely, cop with a green check on mocsta: Once again, why ? The reasonning is the same as above. It's even obvious in retrospective, anyone searching for blue in the thread will pick it up - IE scums. So. It makes no sense for a town perspective to act like that. It makes total sense from a scum perspective though. The benefits are twofold: - it makes HF appear smart and thinking about the game. The ironic thing about it is that it's totally about the appearance. It only serves to appear townie; but when you take the time to think about the town motivation behind it, there is none, and it's actually detrimental to the town. Total scum pointer there. - if Damerion is his partner, this is a play prepared by both of them. It prepares the claim that will happen after the night is over: And it attempts to gain towncred for HF: Now here comes the meta part of this post. I think the above is sufficient to make anyone scum and making me want to lynch them. What's even scummier is that Holyflare is a player that always tries to play mindgames with the scum in order to make them waste kills or actions on Vanilla Townie. For example, he often says weird thing during the night, or says some player is an obvious blue, to confuse the scum team. But he has not done that this game. In contrario, he softed exactly who he thought was the cop 3 times in the thread. This is 100% against the way he plays. Now this is a meta read, so you will have to read some town games of his to verify it if you never played with him. But I think at least JAT can attest to it. TLDR: I think HF is scum, and I think Damerion & HF make perfect sense as a team. HF softing he thinks Damerion is blue during the night is (1) totally against a townie's interest and (2) totally against HF own meta. Furthermore, them being together actually explains these posts: it would mean they were preparing the fakeclaim as soon as Damerion re-entered the thread during N2. | ||
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I will re-iterate the following: YOU CANNOT JUDGE KMATT AND HF FROM THE SAME CRITERIAS. When Kmatt will have play 50 games, you will be able to. But now, in this game, it makes no sense. Town!HF is one of the hardest player to deal with as scum. Scum!HF is one of the most difficult player to lynch as town. This game, he played the "I'm pushing the scum objectives too hard to be scum while not being that motivated" strategy, and that fooled me and rsoul during D2. But he slipped N2. Don't let him escape. | ||
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On January 27 2018 08:07 Holyflare wrote: Your reason to town read mocsta/kmatt is really, really quite weak. Either way you guys shouldn't listen to the above at all. Your mderg town read is also quite bad because things like: give me such major scummy vibes that it's unreal. Everything df said was fine but he had no idea what he said beforehand therefore he's scummy? That's a fucking ODD read to have. What about "despite his reads being logical, he has no impact in the game" do you not understand ? It seems pretty clear to me. | ||
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On January 27 2018 08:18 Holyflare wrote: It's not a scum read tbh, it was just kelsier asking him to explain a "meh" read which makes far, far, far more sense than the context you're trying to make it look like. Since I'm not trying to make it look like he had a full push on DF D1, everything is good then. | ||
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what, are you claiming doc ? | ||
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On January 27 2018 09:06 Holyflare wrote: No btdt is blue and I didn't kill him. then if he's really blue you took a gamble and lost. No biggie | ||
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On January 27 2018 09:11 Holyflare wrote: I saw you claim blue. If I was mafia I would without a doubt kill you because you're confirmed town AND blue and the rber is dead. "if I was scum I wouldn't do that" I know the feeling. I had to resort to that strategy too in a Liquidmafia game where I played horribly as scum.I think you were in it too and pushed my lynch for the town victory. | ||
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On January 27 2018 09:13 beentheredonethat wrote: It's rather easy. If we have doc, he'll claim and tell us who got healed. Two confirmed townpeople. If it's a veteran, only one confirmed person. The claim should happen tho. depends on who it is. If it's Kmatt or HF, I agree. Otherwise, it's kinda a waste. Especially since scum probably don't know if they hit vet or doc. | ||
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On January 27 2018 09:15 Holyflare wrote: Either they kill him and I look better or they don't kill him and I look better. Win win. that makes no sense | ||
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On January 27 2018 09:24 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, you do you. But I am not convinced. I think him being convinced that BTDT was doc is true. That would also explain why BTDT was roleblocked N1 / N2. I think he thought BTDT was doc since N1, and the posts above made him 100% sure, and that's why he took the gamble. | ||
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On January 27 2018 09:26 Holyflare wrote: So today the plan of action is really quite simple. Kmatt turns up and actually has to post some reads and give explanations for his reads throughout the game. He promised them by the end of last night and much like his partner didn't provide them. You must hold him accountable because his only out is to wagon on me. well yeah, if you're not scum he's very likely to be. But his only out is not the wagon on you, since we have 3 lynches. | ||
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On January 27 2018 09:30 beentheredonethat wrote: Rels, in a world where Holyflare is town, who ya gonna call? Kmatt. | ||
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That just fits. It's awesome. Kmatt being scum doesn't fit. This fits perfectly. Old HF couldn't be assed to tryhard his way to victory, and instead prepared the Damerion fakeclaim plan, then the "dont shoot the doc even though I know the doc" plan. | ||
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On January 28 2018 08:32 Holyflare wrote: Does anyone even think I'm actually going to flip mafia lolm I'm pretty sure yeah | ||
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For example, I really hate how you're talking to me. You always throw shade at me. I don't know why you would constantly throw small shots at me as town. I can, however, perfectly see you doing this as scum trying to discredit the main dude calling for his lynch. Sentences like these yesterday: On January 27 2018 00:18 Holyflare wrote: I feel like you're lying and you don't have reasons to town read some of them but you're so far gone you don't see another conclusion. Or this just now: On January 28 2018 08:46 Holyflare wrote: because if you actually reread the thread like you said you did then you'd know blablabla ... Little shots fired at me that crumbles my persona little by little. For the above sentences, you didn't need to start implying I fabricated townreads before even asking me what were these townreads. You didn't need to include this "if you actually read the thread ...", implying I fabricated my reread. The only effect of those small things is do damage to my credibility, they have no other effects. To answer on the actual matter: I disagree on Mocsta. If you look at DF's filter, his main subject of discussion was Mocsta. He attacked Mocsta multiple times, and that was the initial reason I, then rsoultin, got suspicious of DF. It's not only the image post, it's all the other ones too. I agree on mderg that his DF read wasn't strong, especially compared to his reads on you or Damerion. Doesn't change my point about him calling seeing the game as I see it before I did. | ||
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On January 28 2018 09:05 mderg wrote: I still have no idea where you're actually going with this Me neither. | ||
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On January 28 2018 09:39 Holyflare wrote: So I just want to make sure. The only reason you town read mocsta is because of DF mainly. Also because he posted one picture on myself and DF but he had absolutely no follow up to either of it. I just want to make that absolutely clear for later. Mostly. On January 28 2018 09:45 Holyflare wrote: Notice how I've not once tried to shift the lynch elsewhere, not once tried to paint anyone in an ultimately scummy light to direct the lynch to them. The only thing I'm doing is asking questions and trying to point things out. If that's a scummy objective to leave a legacy then so be it. Just realise that you're shitting up the wrong tree. You acting like that is exactly how you would act ask scum - not try to yell for your survival, but posting a lot and being sincere about you being lynched and debating a lot, and hoping the lynch will go away. Exactly like in the Himalaya game, where I think you voted yourself and said something like "OK the right play is to lynch me because I'm red checked. Let's talk about the day after I'm lynched". And you ended up surviving and winning the game. You could do it as town too so it doesn't make you scum either - but don't act like it makes you town. If you wanna leave your legacy, be my guest. But TBH you look like you do care about you being lynched. Doesn't feel like you're just leaving legacy like you're pretending to be. | ||
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On January 28 2018 09:45 mderg wrote: To me it sounds like you care quite a bit about being lynched yep | ||
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On January 28 2018 10:14 beentheredonethat wrote: That's not an actual argument though. There's only one scummer left so scum's first goal right there is survival, not active mislynches. As town, you're not supposed to "paint someone scummy". You're supposed to genuinely read a person and try to find out the alignment. You say "I'm pro-town because I am not painting someone else as scummy just to survive". Yeah, okay, granted, but you're also not giving out genuine reads then. If you'll be confirmed by death, why not try to actually convince people into lynching your strongest scumread after you're dead? yep too | ||
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closing a lynch on scum!HF is so annoying - -' | ||
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On January 28 2018 10:58 Holyflare wrote: I am just going to pre-emptively say that rels is going to waste his time going to this game and disproving it as if it means something and it's a colossal waste of time because you SHOULD be lynching me and also SHOULD be talking about other people. good. | ||
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On January 28 2018 11:25 Holyflare wrote: I have asked you multiple times to re-evaluate people and your reasoning for them being town or mafia which you have not done. You even stated multiple times since the cop flip that what Kmatt did was towny and ballsy and not something mafia does. So, why when I flip town is he your next lynch when your reasoning for everyone else being town is so much weaker? They meekly pushed df and myself and Damerion whereas he has tangible things you've commented on that shows a towny mindset to you but you value the meek pushes over that? And I have responded several times. The answer to that question is in my filter. I find Kmatt's filter pretty weak and possible to come from scum, apart from that one reason. That is not the case for Mocsta and mderg. I think you agree to that since your main scumread is Kmatt. | ||
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If you want to question him and make a case go ahead, you don't have to have my permission. I think he's town. | ||
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On January 28 2018 12:18 Holyflare wrote: I have questioned him multiple times and he evaded it and afkd again. This isn't a pointless debate. I'm telling you I am going to flip town and you are going to have to reevaluate your town reads. Except you know I always re-evaluate, even when I seem convinced, so it's pointless to tell me that. On January 28 2018 12:18 Holyflare wrote: Now, it's not set in stone that you are town either because of everything you've done today which is pointless sniping from the sidelines so you have to explain in a world where Holyflare is town why is Kmatt mafia when he has done things that you have explained a mafia categorically would not do if they were low impact like he is. I would be much more relaxed to do that if I wasn't feeling like you will slip up somehow. You don't feel at ease with your lynch at all. You don't feel like you're preparing the 2 next shots of the town. | ||
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On January 28 2018 12:20 Holyflare wrote: It's to protect yourself from the hordes rels. You will look really bad after today and that's okay. I'm here to protect you from that. All you have to do is answer some simple questions to me now so that when I'm actually dead all your answers and alternatives are already in the thread. It really shouldn't be hard to play along should it? lol you're unbelievable Don't worry about me mate, do your research and stop telling me how to do things. | ||
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On January 28 2018 13:06 Holyflare wrote: I have done my research which is quite evident because I'm asking you these questions based on things from your filter. I have concluded that you are going to look very bad quite soon. Why can you not answer? If I have flipped town why is Kmatt your next target when you have stated quite bluntly in the thread that a person with such a low impact in the game is not going to do an all in play such as what Kmatt did with Damerion? Why rels? Why is it so hard to answer for you? What is it about Kmatt's play to you that could be from mafia and why does it contradict what you have said? ? It doesn't contradict anything since I think he's town. If you flip town, I will be much, much less convinced he's scum than I'm currently convinced you're scum - EXACTLY for the reason you're stating. | ||
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On January 28 2018 21:11 justanothertownie wrote: Holyflare almost has me at a point where I would prefer lynching Kmatt who just doesn't seem to be interested in playing this game. But this always happens when HF is about to get lynched. this. Trying to close a lynch on HF is tiring. He talks so much, people tends to forget the scummy things that happened earlier to focus on his current activity and "sincere" tone - like Mocsta for example. | ||
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On January 28 2018 21:43 Holyflare wrote: Right, and I am going to flip town. So, when I flip town who is mafia? I answered this multiple times already. You're attacking my "scumread" of someone I do not think is scum. | ||
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On January 28 2018 21:58 Holyflare wrote: That's not what I'm asking you to do at all. You are wrong on me. You will have to live with that. Stop pretending like you're having such a hard time seeing past it. Live in this very real reality that you are wrong and need to revisit your scum reads. I asked you to answer a very simple question from a very simple mindset and AGAIN you dodge and just say "but you're mafia". What's your problem? Why do you say I'm dodging it since you asked me that question multiple times, and I answered multiple times ? On January 27 2018 00:14 Rels wrote: I don't like this type of question 'cause if I'm sure you're scum, it's also because I have reasons to townread everyone else. If you're not scum, the obvious answer is Kmatt, but more by default and 'cause I have stronger reasons to townread anyone else than him. But he looks more like low-activity town than scum. On January 27 2018 07:50 Rels wrote: Well I'm falling asleep so this will be shorter than I intended. In case I die I think my reads are pretty clear: I'm 99% sure HF is the last scum. If I'm wrong it's probably Kmatt, but I don't see him being scum and reacting like he did after Damerion claimed. The others are all pretty townie: On January 27 2018 09:15 Rels wrote: depends on who it is. If it's Kmatt or HF, I agree. Otherwise, it's kinda a waste. Especially since scum probably don't know if they hit vet or doc. On January 28 2018 11:58 Rels wrote: And I have responded several times. The answer to that question is in my filter. I find Kmatt's filter pretty weak and possible to come from scum, apart from that one reason. That is not the case for Mocsta and mderg. I think you agree to that since your main scumread is Kmatt. | ||
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On January 30 2018 22:20 Koshi wrote: I agree with mocsta reasoning btw. The fact Rels thinks I might be town should puzzle him and not make the game a lot easier. I read his filter. He has nothing left. well, yeah. I was convinced HF was scum. You and Mocsta are cherry-picking this quote that Kmatt would be my second scum, but I also said that if that was not HF, I would not be super convinced on anyone. | ||
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On January 30 2018 19:56 Koshi wrote: And Rels his filter is really bleak. The HF stuff is all great fun but I did the same with Palmar last year. The total picture is completely missing in Rels his filter. He isnt prodding enough people and he doesnt store and remember good posts in his head. Such as ? That is 100% wrong. This was before EOD1 I think; I then was the most active player EOD1. The reasonning in that post is now 100% wrong. I also have the feeling YOU are buddying mderg while accusing me of doing the same thing. | ||
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On January 30 2018 12:34 Mocsta wrote: OK , so first comments from Rels in Liquidmania scum qt is that he is more aware of thread sentiment then I gave him credit for - and this does line up with HF comments about him being slimy. hmmmm im picking up a vibe from his scum games including the newbies that hes quite aggressive in a brute force type of way. dare I say - almost a ?bully? I need to compare to a town game where is tunneled - to compare to how he went about HF this game. That's true, as scum I force the lynches on weak people, and that almost always work. So it's pretty different from this game, where I could have force pushed prp, Kmatt, you quite easily. The fact that I didn't do it this game doesn't make me town, but that's not similar to my scum game. | ||
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He didn't break activity or voting rules yesterday, so that means he asked to be replaced. And I don't see kita accepting it if Kmatt is scum, 'cause that would mean Kmatt would ask to replace only because the pressure of playing scum is too great. While I could see kita accepting the request if Kmatt is town. | ||
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I will be looking for at least 3 posts per cycle, so 1 post every 24 hours. Failure to live up to this will result in you breaking the Activity requirements and thus being warned or removed from the game. OK he definitely broke the activity rule yesterday. | ||
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On January 30 2018 22:53 Koshi wrote: Defending and host wifom. well yeah, you will have nothing better until I'm home and I can check stuff. Right now I have lots of ideas going through my mind but I need to fact check them before posting. For example, Mocsta didn't agree with the roleblock making BTDT town at some point. HF and JAT talked yesterday how that was scummy. But I don't think that's scummy, on the contrary: scum have roleblocked BTDT since the beginning of the game, and have killed them now. On the contrary, I would expect scum to show townreads towards BTDT. Maybe even TMI townreads, as they thought he was blue. | ||
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On January 30 2018 23:11 justanothertownie wrote: I don't agree. The thing about Mocsta was that he seemed almost furious how btdt got cleared by this. There is no reason to be angry as town in that situation. Still dislike this but I have trouble reading much into it knowing that mocsta was probably pretty wasted at that point in time. that's one of the things I plan on rereading to see how it happened exactly | ||
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On January 29 2018 14:49 Mocsta wrote: After re-reading the game: I struggle to consider a world where JAT, Rels, mderg are not town. That leaves Kmatt & BTDT as the last two. I am certain that a Kmatt lynch will close this game out. Theres nothing more to add here, since Kmatt has done nothing more since. The dark-horse if LYLO did arise is BTDT.
However, I refer to dark-horse as my world above is too strong; and without the RB, no one would think BTDT play is indicative of weak-town, let alone confirmed.
This is last night. Do Mocsta as scum really prepares his 2 lynches as Kmatt + BTDT ... then shoots BTDT ? Doesn't see likely to me | ||
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On January 30 2018 09:03 Mocsta wrote: I cant believe that worked haha can you explain what you were trying to achieve ? | ||
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On January 26 2018 21:45 Mocsta wrote: umm guys. stop being doo-doo heads tahts an exact replica of what we discussed hes either confirmed town, or confirmed scum yes 100% confirmed. what isnt is alignment.. i know you are trying, but take a nap please. On January 26 2018 21:59 Mocsta wrote: the fact that I think its OK to RB a separate target, to the Kill already supports there is more than one answer you guys are bickering over your ideologies of how to play the game right its stupid. yes teh fakeclaim is unlikley, but its certainly not 100% confirmed. On January 26 2018 22:42 Mocsta wrote: The other alternative was they were afraid a medic was out Like this converdation is ridiculous Id yoy want ro discuss strategy then weigh all options Its the definition od tunneled and im glad at least rels can see it Again Ifnyou want ro say btdt 99% town go ahead. I tend to agree. However btst is not 100% confirmed in amy way shape or form Frankly ita disgraceful to perpetuate that type of non sense to people not reading this as analytically On January 26 2018 22:46 Mocsta wrote: Because your statement has an exclusion clause By definition it is not "confirmed" I dont give a shit anymore Bye On January 26 2018 22:47 Mocsta wrote: precisely You dont knoe Yoy are making an educated assumption and feigning thid as a if you had a cop check On January 26 2018 22:49 Mocsta wrote: Bullshit Btdt is town "unless" Dont say near confirmed.... On January 26 2018 22:50 Mocsta wrote: I give a shit about this because this type of thinking leads to a self fulfilling prophecy thay hf is lynched tomorrow Everyone ahould be approaching this day with open eyes and ears On January 26 2018 22:56 Mocsta wrote: Ummm no Open your eyes In your mind you made a statement about in your words "neae confirmed" Now one has openly interpretted as 100% confirmed and thenother indicates full agreement via "smart" Ithink its relevant and will leave that as my last words. Scum are convinced BTDT is blue. They roleblocked him repeatedly, and killed him last night. So scum expects BTDT to claim at some point. Do they really get angry when people suddenly assume BTDT is near confirmed town ? Doesn't seem logical to me. | ||
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On January 30 2018 20:04 Koshi wrote: The bolded nested quote might be interesting. Something Rels did that was shady if damdred flipped. Lots of talk about it. This is actually pretty wrong. Like, on the contrary. KSC is saying this: I thought about the perspective of if I was scum HF/Rels. I think my initial interpretation was wrong.I don't think scum HF and Rels jump on this case and call it good. Especially Rels , if damdred flips town he looks super shady. So he's saying he doesnt think Rels is scum anymore. This is totally backward. | ||
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On January 30 2018 19:56 Koshi wrote: And Rels his filter is really bleak. The HF stuff is all great fun but I did the same with Palmar last year. The total picture is completely missing in Rels his filter. He isnt prodding enough people and he doesnt store and remember good posts in his head. On the contrary, I refer to other parts of the game a lot. Doesn't make me town 'cause I played a very good scum game. But it never makes me scum. This was when I had like 3 posts, jumping on Damdred's wagon immediately. After I really entered the game, this read was no longer true. On January 30 2018 20:04 Koshi wrote: The bolded nested quote might be interesting. Something Rels did that was shady if damdred flipped. Lots of talk about it. This is even worse: Koshi uses something completely backward, since KSC is saying he doesn't actually scumread me if Damdred flips town. | ||
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On January 28 2018 01:09 Kmatt wrote: I love how every time I come back here I find some variant of "kmatt disappeared out of nowhere wtf". I'm pretty sure "United States" appears next to my name. Lrn2hemisphere Anyway as for the current gamestate. JaT: Town. Twat was mostly a townread until I started suspecting him towards the end of D1/D2, but JaT has filled the shoes nicely. Also for noticing the BTDT roleblock thing. Only a mafia player managing a 5D chessboard would have thought to fake that so far in advance. BTDT: Town by power of claim Mderg: Not a ton of impact but nothing scummy. A lot of the claims he threw out, especially early seemed a little too bold for typical mafia. Not sure if that's his meta or whatever but I can townread him easily enough. Rels: A bit of buddying, and definitely goes against the grain by believing in me, but I see it as towny tunneling on HF. If he believes HF is scum then he has to be able to excuse me. Mafia!Rels would be just as happy to have the easy lynch (Me) to be next in line if he knew HF was going to flip green. Holyflare: still want to lynch him mcosta: Don't have a hard read on this guy, but while looking over the filter I'll take this minute to claim that there was no ulterior motive to not voting D1. I had been in the thread earlier, hadn't made up my mind on voting, went out to do something that night an checked in on the thread realizing that I didn't actually know when the deadline was. Also I don't know what his shtick is with the BTDT not-being-confirmed business. This is exactly what I expect scum to do about BTDT. Totally opposite to what Mocsta did. | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:59 mderg wrote: The wiggle room tuff would make me scum in 90% of my games, which makes me dislike that reasoning You didn't seem to wiggle much this game though ? | ||
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On January 31 2018 09:07 Koshi wrote: Ovwrall I would be suprised if both df and damerion talked so much about their teammate Mocsta. Mderg has a low filter and it makes sense mafia doesnt talk about him if he is town. Just keep him alive and dont townclear him to the thread. Mderg on the other hand talked about them. So I think it is more likely mafia ignored and didnt talk to town!mderg to draw less attention to them. And mderg probably didnt have enough weight in the thread to ve listened to by the vets. Rels looks the worst because both the mafia didnt talk about him. And like I said before, Rels didnt prodded them enough. Rels even +1ed a good post against damerion early vut didnt take that into consideration later. Conclusion is same as before. Rels is mafia. that's wrong though. I was suspicious of Damerion since D1, and I conforted rsoul in her scumread on him: On January 20 2018 07:08 Rels wrote: I remember Damerion being impressive in one game, don't know which one. I don't remember him being tunneled on one dude though. Yet the totality of the posts he made this game are targeted at Damdred. He's so convinced, when I think he's partly wrong on his meta, with the part that Damdred is exagerating the fact that he busses all the time. On January 20 2018 07:38 Rels wrote: yeah I also don't like Damerion. In addition to what I've said earlier I didn't like that he came back just to tunnel Damdred some more. When in the other games I skimmed earlier he seemed to always have a more global view in mind This is also BS: "Rels even +1ed a good post against damerion early vut didnt take that into consideration later. ". If you're talking about D2, I voted him. | ||
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On January 31 2018 16:25 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, initially (when I was just glancing over the game at times and wasn't playing yet) I thought the investment of Rels in the lynch was kinda towni. Knowing alignments I take issue with how he essentially jumped between the town lynches ignoring the mafia wagon. I would have voted DF if prp had voted DF. I couldnt' switch to DF when I didn't want to lynch Damdred 'cause that wouldn't have saved Damdred - only option was BTDT. | ||
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Mocsta has some weird posts if he's posts. mderg had great logic that I loved, but that's way easier to fake than going against the consensus to defend your teammate (Kmatt) or attack a logic everyone else agree upen (Mocsta). I think that's the answer. | ||
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On January 31 2018 18:33 Mocsta wrote: ##Vote; Rels Instead of addressing my day1 query. starts to call koshi town and mderg scum... nice try You know, you can talk to me ... quote your query and I will answer it | ||
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On January 31 2018 18:39 Koshi wrote: Last sentence is so baller if you are bussing. Why ? What is baller about "I don't know what to make off this game which is somewhat annoying" ? | ||
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On January 31 2018 18:43 Koshi wrote: Ifhe is mafia with df and damerion he is bussing both teammates. It is pretty awesome if you can then pretend that you are completely clueless. If I was mafia bussing I would pretend I knew everything. Because that is your mindset then. I like the tactic. not convinced by that. Don't think it makes him town or scum. And apparently he got sure fast, 'cause after D1 his reads basically didn't budge again until now. | ||
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yeah that's why I thought he was town for a long time. Called everything I thought before I even thought it. In retrospect it might be TMI. Look out for how he always sheeps the dominant player while not making waves and not digging too much. | ||
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On January 31 2018 19:16 Mocsta wrote: How do you go from this to koshi =town in one sleep And My day1 query. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26901815 thinking about it. What's the query in that post ? On January 31 2018 16:14 Mocsta wrote: I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating. Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons. He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT. So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels. - Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited. Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option. DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong. Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior. Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred. The anotehr last minute swap. ----------------- leading to eventually: & | ||
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On January 31 2018 19:29 mderg wrote: The moment I stop having you as 99% town you leave my side the moment I start being lynchable you leave my side bro | ||
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On January 31 2018 19:36 Mocsta wrote: ok, query was wrong word. moreso, I thought this series of observations would have at least raised a reply of some form. re: koshi.. i get the narrative that mderg is raised to #1 Rels suspect; which lowers koshi suspcion levels but... i dont get any understanding of why suddenly that defaults to him being town.. especialy when mderg is not hard scum in your eyes. he has effort but its how he is doing it, means nothign to me... especially since i agreed with your statement that much of it is easy to fake/superficial. i dont see how in 11hrs you go about face... pocketing, no? Don't have much to say. I would arguee that me reverting my townread on Damdred shows a will to solve the game. I explained why I couldn't switch back to DF here: On January 31 2018 18:09 Rels wrote: I would have voted DF if prp had voted DF. I couldnt' switch to DF when I didn't want to lynch Damdred 'cause that wouldn't have saved Damdred - only option was BTDT. | ||
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On January 31 2018 20:06 Mocsta wrote: Rels, My focus is not on why you swapped wagons; rather, the interaction with Damdred in respect to DarthFoley. Re: prplhz i.e. I dont get the point of the post 11 days later re trying to save Damdred.Like, did you think Damdred/BTDT/DF were all town, of which BTDT was more expendible? Again, my whole observation is that your read on DF is 'murky' to be polite during this passage of play - arguably very critical for scum. In particular when combined with: Why don't you understand ? I initially had scumreads both BTDT and DF, more so on BTDT than on DF. Then I reread Damdred's explanation and I find it very unlikely + prp votes BTDT. So in that context, Damdred / prp / DF makes sense as a team, with prp voting with neither of his partners. | ||
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On January 31 2018 20:29 Mocsta wrote: the scum read on DF is new to me. That aside, this is making my head hurt. So that timestamp for damd/prp/df team lines up with when you REVOTED damdred So if you are floating between damdred/prp as lynches.. why not stay fixed on DF who was in your scum team regardless? im not following. especially cos "damdred doesnt claim" suddenly then, calls for everyone to jump off. Cause I was sure Damdred was scum when i revoted. I reread his explanation of the "like" situation and found it dumb, so I was pretty convinced he was scum. I was not floating between Damred / prp as lynches, I wanted to lynch Damdred at that point, and prp voting the coutnerwagon not long after made me make that comment about "Damdred / prp / DF". | ||
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On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote: I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1 Town Twat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2 Town Mocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim Town btdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum ________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim Town btdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scum I'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote: I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. | ||
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On January 29 2018 21:23 mderg wrote: My top tier scum comment should not be taken too seriously. While I consider myself better scum than town the comment was more about rsoultin picking out by far my worst scum game. That could have led to an incorrect meta of me being a godawful scum player. I've had one scum game where I did play some hipster scum playstyle similar to what this would be. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=mderg I also used a fake rb claim to lead town astray in that game, similar to what btdt might be doing. From this mafia game of yours, I don't know if the "follow town leader" strategy matches, but the tone matches. Thought from skimming a town game of yours ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?user=mderg&view=all ) you have a similar tone as town. So it doesn't prove anything. But it shows that you can be like that as scum. | ||
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On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote: How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. | ||
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On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote: So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable. | ||
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On January 31 2018 23:03 mderg wrote: No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely. OK you're debating the "predicted" word. I don't know if you really predicted it all, but the fact is, you always sticked to what the town leaders thought at all points. That's why I thought you were so townie at some point. | ||
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On January 31 2018 23:15 mderg wrote: Would you change your reads when the town leaders seem to be on the same page or would you be reassured that you were right and things are going well? yeah I can see it's totally bland and non-scummy. The perfect way to play to not get into trouble anytimes. I wouldn't though - I always fight for my lynch. D2 for example, I thought prp was scum. If I was in your position of believing more in a Damerion / HF world, I would have fought harder for Damerion than just voting for him. You, you're just here, with perfect reads that aligns for what's happening in the thread. Not fighting against consensus like Kmatt. Not getting angry at people that don't understand you like Mocsta. Just perfect. | ||
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On February 01 2018 00:16 mderg wrote: You're completely misrepresenting what I'm saying. The whole conversation was about me just going with the town consensus. Then you start using what I've said as if I was using that as some jusification for not having fought much about my preferred day2 lynch. ? I'm not trying to misrepresent anything you're saying. I'm stating why I think you're scum. | ||
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I cannot see Mocsta being scum. I can see Koshi being scum, but if he is he's playing well now. But he can definitely tryhard for a few days as scum. What pushed me is that host WIFOM thing. I still think scum don't get replaced like that when the game cuold just have ended with a modkill. It doesn't make sense to me. I think it makes Koshi 90% town. I would be way less sure if it was Mocsta vs Koshi, but mderg's filter shows the gameplan. It shows the "not making waves" attitude. It makes 100% sense for him to be scum, just waiting patiently in his corner until he wins. | ||
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On February 01 2018 06:55 Koshi wrote: Well... with this votecount we are lynching Rels so I am ok being town hero. ??? You're the only one voting besides me | ||
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On February 01 2018 08:52 Mocsta wrote: well i would prefer if you werent modkilled. taht would end the game too. Why, do you think I'm town ? | ||
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On February 01 2018 08:58 Mocsta wrote: mderg not gonna be lynched. cos Rels got to 2 first. JAT has indicated Rels all game; 0 risk. but, he did say drunk, so i will place vote back. Bullshit. You just risked lynching your only town read between the three potential scums | ||
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