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/in For the deadline alone
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Boo. Had myself set to the wrong region. Thought id finally found an Aus friendly deadline
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On March 06 2018 11:36 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 11:26 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 11:10 MoosyDoosy wrote: I miss the presence of a rayn-like person plugging me in the butthole and telling me i suck at this game I can start telling you that you suck at this game, if that'll help. You'll have to go somewhere else for the rest of that, though. On March 06 2018 11:08 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm pretty sure Fecal was exaggerating by his D2 mass claim. Mass claiming is going to happen but I don't see it happening on D2 unless the game is really easy and we nail mafia really early I dunno, the pre-game discussion sounds to me like people are talking about mass claiming early game and not late game. And now I can't ask them to clarify what they meant, because they either aren't in the game or I can no longer trust them to tell me the truth about it. But speaking of the pre-game discussion, now that I've read through it again, it occurs to me that I don't even know for sure what the setup for the game IS. We had this: On February 19 2018 23:28 Calix wrote: I'm leaning towards giving mafia another role since people seem to agree that makes the game easier for mafia. and then this: On February 19 2018 23:45 Calix wrote: Two Roleblockers might be fine then. I'll see what other people think and if nobody has a serious problem with it then I'll change the Mafioso to a PR. and then that was it. So was the setup changed? Am I allowed to ask the Narrator to tell us whether the setup changed? Because if the setup isn't as town-favored as it was initially, that will definitely change my strategy. Didn't you just chastise me for talking about mass claiming strategy? And here you are talking about setup and strategy. Your hypocrisy is delicious.
He did not chastise you at all. Why are you so pricky?
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Prickly... autocorrect or Freudian slip... you be the judge.
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Being prickly is scummy. You have to accept that people are going to ping you in this game. A prickly reaction usually comes from someone trying to hide something and reacting poorly.
I don't have an opinion for or against people discussing strategy or mass claiming. I'll be spending my calories focusing on the psychology of players as opposed to trying to game mechanics.
I don't find noobking scummy at all, I'm actually pretty certain he's town
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On March 06 2018 15:47 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 15:24 AMG wrote: Being prickly is scummy. You have to accept that people are going to ping you in this game. A prickly reaction usually comes from someone trying to hide something and reacting poorly.
I don't have an opinion for or against people discussing strategy or mass claiming. I'll be spending my calories focusing on the psychology of players as opposed to trying to game mechanics.
I don't find noobking scummy at all, I'm actually pretty certain he's town
You get a cookie.
I'm diabetic, are you trying to kill me!!
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Tubesock, I implied you were mafia by your reaction and said someone you thought was scummy was almost certainly town.. you dont think either of those warrants further investigation or a response?
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On March 06 2018 18:01 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote: :/
I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny. Ugh. I don't like any of that post. Being "more interested in n00bking" isn't a good reason to avoid any discussion with AMG. You can talk to 2 players at once, you know. Keeping a singular focus on one topic helps to keep you from needing to develop opinions on any other subject, and that's not good. And even if you thought you had "no common ground" with him about what makes players prickly (and even if you thought discussing the disagreement with him wouldn't help you determine whether he actually sees it differently, or is just pretending to) you could have just talked to him about something else instead. Like...you could have talked to him about the thing you were "more interested in." ME! Why not ask him why he has the townread on me? He might share something that changes your mind. Or you might share something that changes his. Having NO desire to discuss me with someone who takes the opposite opinion just makes it look like you already know my allegiance.'splain yourself. ##Vote: Tubesock
Basically, this.
##Vote: Tubesock
Bottom line, i'm 1/13th of the game and you don't seem to care to engage me, I'd like to know why. And saying we disagree on one point is absolutely not an answer.
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On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote: This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. You think me making excuses to scum read people. What people? I have implied one person was scum and did not like their follow up. One person.
So you find my opinion on or attempt at discussion with Tubesock to be forced, or I don't believe what i'm saying when i'm saying it?
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On March 06 2018 18:06 rsoultin wrote: I have a proposal.
There are three mafia. If people want to put a vote on tubesock that's fine.
But maybe it's time to give him some room to breathe and start poking in other corners.
Never voting for noob today, just for the record. My memory may be imperfect but this feels like the sort of thing a town noob finds compelling.
We agree on many things, apparently.
In that vein, lets discuss your Damdred read. I open his filter and I get a big old nothing.
What are you seeing?
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On March 06 2018 16:47 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:45 AMG wrote: Tubesock, I implied you were mafia by your reaction and said someone you thought was scummy was almost certainly town.. you dont think either of those warrants further investigation or a response? Nope. I think the idea that only scum get salty is hilarious. You also don't seem to understand why I was "pricky". Do you understand what I didn't like about n00bking?
I'm trying to wrap my head around what you took issue with with n00bking prior to this post.
He says talking strategy is fine early, and he does so, but discussing a d2 mass claim is a discussion better had on day 2, I assume, because there are still things to unfold before day 2, I.e the lynch and the night actions.
I don't see hypocracy or inconsistency in what n00bking is saying.
Since this happened and there's been a pretty big pushback on your attempt to cast shade on him, you're now townreading him because he's too nitpicky with finer details, so he's now town.
Is that an accurate summation of your read progression on n00bking?
And now if noobking is town, where to from here, who is your next prime suspect?
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On March 07 2018 05:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: @Damdred and @noobking. What do you guys think about what I've said about rsoultin so far? Also anyone else that cares to contribute.
I don't get malice when I read rsoultins filter. It's care free and fun. I think there are absolutely better lynches to be had elsewhere, but I think your heart is in the right place.
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It seems to easy to just hand wave everyone who's active as town and say the scum aren't posting anymore/at all. And yet when i look at each active poster in isolation, I don't see mafia, so by process of elimination i'm down to about 5-6 players with a total of less than 10 posts between them.
Luckily, we've been given some extra town-side KP to clean up the inactives, otherwise this could be painful and tedious.
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I'm just going to think out loud for a post since everyone i'm interested in conversing with is not present.
If I were a medic, I would 100% be going offensive until 1 or more medics have flipped. The probability of friendly fire when trying to save townreads is too high. We have quite a solid town circle forming and I'm thinking the losses we suffer trying to organise medic saves into that group would far outweigh the potential saves. Additionally all mafia have to do is throw their medic into that mix, which is not even a medic at all, since they have no KP coming their way to defend against, their medic is entirely for sabotaging ours. Once a few of the medics (ideally the scum medic) have started flipping, organizing medics defensively becomes far more viable. I think cashing in our medic saves for a vig shot is too good of an opportunity to pass up, especially with the current game state.
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On March 07 2018 10:22 Tubesock wrote: I don't have any scum reads yet. eeewww
It'll probably end up killing me, but I think with Vivax we should wait for him to see if he does his 3 posts to remain "active" which would basically guarantee him being mafia (unless they're great posts) or he gets modkilled.
I won't be voting for rsoul, HF, prplz, moose, or Damdred.
You're advising a wait and see approach to the only counterwagon to yourself?
Interesting.
What do you like about prplhz filter?
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You don't feel like mafia.
My vote is in the wrong place.
##Unvote
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On March 07 2018 10:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 10:53 AMG wrote: You don't feel like mafia.
My vote is in the wrong place.
##Unvote What about what Tubesock said makes you think he's not Mafia?
Hes not squirming like mafia do. That and hes advocating a 'wait and see' approach on the only other wagon to himself.... which is a person who hasn't even posted yet. From that Ill extrapolate that they're either mafia together, or Tubesock isn't mafia. Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there.
I find his thought process on n00bking strange, but it feels town strange. I feel like hes getting hung up on something irrelevant, and that's something I associate with townies. Scum, on average, on the other hand get hung up on something relevant, but tiny, and then blow it out of proportion.
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His grand return to the thread after copping heat is to return, declare hes got no scum reads, and hes aware that'll probably kill him. And stick to his guns that n00bking is doing scummy things, but isn't scum.
None of this seems calculated like mafia play at all.
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On March 07 2018 11:35 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 11:12 AMG wrote:
Hes not squirming like mafia do. That and hes advocating a 'wait and see' approach on the only other wagon to himself.... which is a person who hasn't even posted yet. From that Ill extrapolate that they're either mafia together, or Tubesock isn't mafia. Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there. . Does this mean you think Fecalfeast is mafia? (I'm assuming not Rsoultin since you already towned her?) Or are you speaking generally?
What? This has nothing to do with FeFe. I am talking about you and Vivax.
I am speaking generally.
And I have no idea what Vivax alignment is, which is why i considered from both perspectives. Him being town and mafia and you being town and mafia.
My point is that you are declining to push the counterwagon to yourself, which is the self-preservation play. FeFe and rsoultin are not a factor in my read on you.
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On March 07 2018 11:43 Holyflare wrote:For the exact opposite reason you town read him. He calls you scummy and then says that probably makes you town. It bypasses any kind of discussion about what the exact points he would be scum reading you are and just waves it all away.
Lets discuss.
What do you think of the last page out of Tubesock. Do you still think he is mafia?
Would you be interested in lynching prplhz today over Tubesock?
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On March 07 2018 12:06 Tubesock wrote: I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me....
Ill speak more specifically to better illustrate my point: I FEEL Mafia Tubesock is throwing AFK townie Vivax under the bus there. Slap a vote on him, say meta/afk and save his own hide.
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On March 07 2018 12:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:06 Tubesock wrote: I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me.... Also, I didn't think you were grasping at straws to scum AMG, I'm thinking you're grasping at straws to scum Fecal or anyone you can to get in with alignment with AMG who's thrown you the first life rope.
Well, that's not happening. In case its not painfully obvious, the other person that's caught my interest today is prplhz. His attack on me was shit and I want to hear more out of him before I make my mind up for today.
Frankly, Tubesock just doesn't seem to be operating on a coherent wavelength to me. At all.
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On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote: This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people.
The more I read this post, the less I like it.
You think the Tubesock push is something you'd normally like, but then be wrong about... so you agree with the logic? And then I'm making excuses to be on that wagon, the one you would normally like?
If you'd normally like this kind of push, but you're opting out, what gives. Why are you going against your better judgement in this one?
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On March 07 2018 15:51 n00bKing wrote: Meanwhile,
Does anyone agree or disagree with rsoul's assessment that the silence from Vivax and Kelsier (and especially Vivax) is more alignment-indicative than it is for chaoser? Does anyone even know chaoser?
I think it's also worth discussing whether any of those players are strong Town assets *when* they are Town. For example, let's say people generally agree that Vivax is more likely than the average player, to no-show a thread while Scum. If it just so happens that he had done it as Town this time, would we be shooting ourselves in the foot in a major way by mislynching him, and losing the services of Town Vivax, cuz maybe he was going to show up later and be a Scum-wrecking machine? Or is it big upside and only small downside? And then same question regarding our other 2 no-shows.
Chaoser has been on this forum even longer than I have. Back when PM games used to be the norm and you used to get clues from the host every cycle.
Hes pretty good/reasonable when he can resist the urge to troll, but that urge strikes him pretty often.
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On March 07 2018 16:13 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 15:58 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 15:44 Tubesock wrote: Uh it was pretty clear you were going to vote me so the timing wasn’t relevant at all. It wasn't clear to ME that I was going to vote against you, until you made the post that I identified as being the one that actually caused me to place the vote. Tubesock wrote: I’ll even go a step further, you’re not going to vote anyone else today. lol, guess we'll see, huh? Meanwhile, you're still not answering the question. Third time: In addition to not wanting to talk to AMG about whether it's scum-indicative for players to be prickly, why did you also not want to talk to him about me, the thing you claimed to be "more interested in" at the time, and a topic where you knew he had a differing opinion? Why would you not want to bounce your thoughts about me off of other players, unless you already knew my allegiance? I didn’t think it would be a beneficial conversation. While I will bounce off ideas with people I trust, I generally talk with people to get a read on them not the subject of the conversation. While even asking him to clarify things about you, they would not likely change or affect my read on you. Especially considering AMG’s and my differences. And I didn’t think what he said would offer me any insights on him.
You say you talk to people to get a read on them, yet you declined my attempts to drag you into a conversation about my reads. The conversation was not about n00bking even if he was being discussed. The conversation was about letting me get a better read on you, and you getting a read on me. That's how this game works. If you didn't think what I said would offer any further insights on my alignment, why wouldn't you then ask what you thought were the right questions of me then try and get an insight?
I feel like i'm going to get frustrated with this conversation if we go round again.
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Whats so hard to understand about his list? Top to bottom in order of towniess. Towns at the top, scum at the bottom. AFK's hes not even going to consider because by definition of being AFK's they haven't even posted yet
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I'm going to open up a 3rd wagon on prplhz. I think his attack on me was rubbish.
##Vote:prplhz
I bit my tongue for a while to see where it went, but this wagon on Vivax is a farce. Lynching someone who hasn't posted when you've got plenty of stuff in the thread to work with is just lazy.
He flips scum, what do we learn? nada. squat. I mean yay we got a scum, but its just dumb ass luck if he flips scum. Conversely he flips town, everyone on his wagon says 'welp he was afk, had it coming', and we chuck an entire cycle away.
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I'm going to give you the courtesy of letting you catch up before I tell you you're bad.
Carry on.
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On March 08 2018 00:08 Vivax wrote: Follow up by AMG looks better at glance given he sticks his head in many different places and generally gives off a vibe of wanting to do stuff which is a plus for him on D1. Doesn't allow me to exclude him as mafia though.
I don't see what would have required catching up in regards to his initial tubesock read however. It remains a read that is essentially based on Tube being prickly entirely, except that the actual vote happens only when Noobking votes.
His initial impression that Tube is prickly goes from being an observation to an explanation for why it is scummy to a vote for other reasons.
It looks like he reacts to his own posts to keep up a narrative in this case. I see it like this could have happened:
Townie overreacts to other townie, AMG spots possible fault by TS, calls him prickly but doesn't go with it anywhere. So he needs to make a followup posts telling us that he thinks it's a mafia trait cause the previous post alone in the room would look bad. Only when Noobking attacks Tubesock AMG decides to vote for him, and he does it by rehashing/agreeing with what Noobking said.
So AMG was kind of looking for reasons to get onto Tubesock purely for the reason he called him prickly already, and since his own reason didn't get enough pull, he only felt like he had the opportunity to do so when Noobking voted first.
This is summed up what's not right with AMG in my opinion.
You completely overlook the reason I take issue with tubesock which I've gone over two or three times now. His pricklyness catches my eye, as did him having a read that conflicted with mine, so I challenged his read. He refused to discuss anything with me at all, like he didn't give a shit about my alignment and had no drive to find out why I had a different opinion to him.
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Running my son into daycare and will hopefully be back before the lynch but I'm not on board with a Df lynch. Call it self serving but his reads align with mine and he seems to be making sense to me.
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On March 08 2018 06:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 06:03 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 00:08 Vivax wrote: Follow up by AMG looks better at glance given he sticks his head in many different places and generally gives off a vibe of wanting to do stuff which is a plus for him on D1. Doesn't allow me to exclude him as mafia though.
I don't see what would have required catching up in regards to his initial tubesock read however. It remains a read that is essentially based on Tube being prickly entirely, except that the actual vote happens only when Noobking votes.
His initial impression that Tube is prickly goes from being an observation to an explanation for why it is scummy to a vote for other reasons.
It looks like he reacts to his own posts to keep up a narrative in this case. I see it like this could have happened:
Townie overreacts to other townie, AMG spots possible fault by TS, calls him prickly but doesn't go with it anywhere. So he needs to make a followup posts telling us that he thinks it's a mafia trait cause the previous post alone in the room would look bad. Only when Noobking attacks Tubesock AMG decides to vote for him, and he does it by rehashing/agreeing with what Noobking said.
So AMG was kind of looking for reasons to get onto Tubesock purely for the reason he called him prickly already, and since his own reason didn't get enough pull, he only felt like he had the opportunity to do so when Noobking voted first.
This is summed up what's not right with AMG in my opinion. You completely overlook the reason I take issue with tubesock which I've gone over two or three times now. His pricklyness catches my eye, as did him having a read that conflicted with mine, so I challenged his read. He refused to discuss anything with me at all, like he didn't give a shit about my alignment and had no drive to find out why I had a different opinion to him. Except all of this happened not at once but you went from prickly->didn't fight your read->disengaged in your argumentation where you placed your vote at the final one after noobking did. So I can see you as mafia just building on your previous posts reacting to what you wrote to create a tubesock scumread which was consistent with what you already wrote, especially cause of your decision on when to place the vote (when another one already did) _____ I am actually open to the idea I'm wrong on either of you atm and after reading a bit of tube (since he talks about himself instead of finding mafia most of the time, but could be cause he's been in the defensive). And cause I'm always hesitant to lynch possible assets D1 I'm checking if there might be other ones worth lynching over df. Since you are so hung up on tube though I'd expect you to bring forward something more than what you already have and your read on him hasn't evolved much from that point onwards.
I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying.
And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players.
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On March 08 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 08:03 darthfoley wrote: Meh I thought we got him considering he was lurking at deadline Yeah... I'm actually warming up to Vivax's AMG read more. Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 07:16 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 06:56 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2018 06:03 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 00:08 Vivax wrote: Follow up by AMG looks better at glance given he sticks his head in many different places and generally gives off a vibe of wanting to do stuff which is a plus for him on D1. Doesn't allow me to exclude him as mafia though.
I don't see what would have required catching up in regards to his initial tubesock read however. It remains a read that is essentially based on Tube being prickly entirely, except that the actual vote happens only when Noobking votes.
His initial impression that Tube is prickly goes from being an observation to an explanation for why it is scummy to a vote for other reasons.
It looks like he reacts to his own posts to keep up a narrative in this case. I see it like this could have happened:
Townie overreacts to other townie, AMG spots possible fault by TS, calls him prickly but doesn't go with it anywhere. So he needs to make a followup posts telling us that he thinks it's a mafia trait cause the previous post alone in the room would look bad. Only when Noobking attacks Tubesock AMG decides to vote for him, and he does it by rehashing/agreeing with what Noobking said.
So AMG was kind of looking for reasons to get onto Tubesock purely for the reason he called him prickly already, and since his own reason didn't get enough pull, he only felt like he had the opportunity to do so when Noobking voted first.
This is summed up what's not right with AMG in my opinion. You completely overlook the reason I take issue with tubesock which I've gone over two or three times now. His pricklyness catches my eye, as did him having a read that conflicted with mine, so I challenged his read. He refused to discuss anything with me at all, like he didn't give a shit about my alignment and had no drive to find out why I had a different opinion to him. Except all of this happened not at once but you went from prickly->didn't fight your read->disengaged in your argumentation where you placed your vote at the final one after noobking did. So I can see you as mafia just building on your previous posts reacting to what you wrote to create a tubesock scumread which was consistent with what you already wrote, especially cause of your decision on when to place the vote (when another one already did) _____ I am actually open to the idea I'm wrong on either of you atm and after reading a bit of tube (since he talks about himself instead of finding mafia most of the time, but could be cause he's been in the defensive). And cause I'm always hesitant to lynch possible assets D1 I'm checking if there might be other ones worth lynching over df. Since you are so hung up on tube though I'd expect you to bring forward something more than what you already have and your read on him hasn't evolved much from that point onwards. I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying. And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players. So I was about to say that there is no way this lines up with the 'doesn't feel like scum' reaction to Tube not trying to make reads to save himself. But I think I'd rather ask you to reconcile those two, AMG, if you can. The thing for me is while I liked some of his posting independently, the scumreads are pretty boring. "You didn't talk to me when I had a different read" @tube "You said people when I only am scumreading one person" "you say you'd normally agree with the reasoning for the tube lynch" (and be wrong) "but you take issue with me jumping on it for a different reason" @prp There's like nothing whatsoever to these scumreads. By contrast, his townreads are fairly well-reasoned.
I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do here?
I don't know how I can further illustrate my thought process more than what i've already put into the thread without just repeating myself.
I know what it feels like when I've latched onto a scum, tubesock didn't feel like that, he felt like incoherent town.
You're welcome to think my reads are boring, I disagree, I was once upon a time known for making reads that fly in the face of thread sentiment (see tubesock read) and I do not apologize for that.
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On March 08 2018 09:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 09:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 08 2018 09:13 Holyflare wrote: It is easy and you plebs switched off df. meh. Then what's your scum team? Also I don't know if you were around or not but you never actually answered this question: On March 08 2018 07:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 08 2018 07:28 Holyflare wrote:On March 08 2018 07:25 MoosyDoosy wrote: holyflare, do you think darthfoley has more of a chance to flip red than tubesock? I have no idea but I feel quite strongly about df. He hasn't pushed a single god damn thing and hasn't even been the centre of attention like tube to detract from it. Has Tube done anything townie for you to vote darth over him or are both tube and darth scummy for you atm with darth just being more scummy When the vote went down did you think Tube was bad town like AMG or did you still think he was scum? A team is hard and I don't particularly care about naming one but people that look far worse after tubesock lynch are amg/noob(big one)/prplhz. When Tubesock posted like halfway through the cycle a bunch of walls of texts that I glossed over and pretty much said "this says nothing and it's not towny looking" but amg insta switched and it came off as really odd timing back then. If amg is mafia it could have potentially been an "oh the guy is posting responses to me I have to look like I'm re-evaluating."
I feel like had Tubesock flipped mafia, I'd be getting painted as his teammate that was light bussing and the wagon took off. Ergo, no matter what he flipped i'm scum?
I find it depressing that no one seems to want to acknowledge the possibly that my read was just better than most of yours.
I'm going to walk away for a bit, clear my head, and come back to this.
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I like you. We'll talk later.
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On March 08 2018 18:07 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 08:56 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:03 darthfoley wrote: Meh I thought we got him considering he was lurking at deadline Yeah... I'm actually warming up to Vivax's AMG read more. On March 08 2018 07:16 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 06:56 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2018 06:03 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 00:08 Vivax wrote: Follow up by AMG looks better at glance given he sticks his head in many different places and generally gives off a vibe of wanting to do stuff which is a plus for him on D1. Doesn't allow me to exclude him as mafia though.
I don't see what would have required catching up in regards to his initial tubesock read however. It remains a read that is essentially based on Tube being prickly entirely, except that the actual vote happens only when Noobking votes.
His initial impression that Tube is prickly goes from being an observation to an explanation for why it is scummy to a vote for other reasons.
It looks like he reacts to his own posts to keep up a narrative in this case. I see it like this could have happened:
Townie overreacts to other townie, AMG spots possible fault by TS, calls him prickly but doesn't go with it anywhere. So he needs to make a followup posts telling us that he thinks it's a mafia trait cause the previous post alone in the room would look bad. Only when Noobking attacks Tubesock AMG decides to vote for him, and he does it by rehashing/agreeing with what Noobking said.
So AMG was kind of looking for reasons to get onto Tubesock purely for the reason he called him prickly already, and since his own reason didn't get enough pull, he only felt like he had the opportunity to do so when Noobking voted first.
This is summed up what's not right with AMG in my opinion. You completely overlook the reason I take issue with tubesock which I've gone over two or three times now. His pricklyness catches my eye, as did him having a read that conflicted with mine, so I challenged his read. He refused to discuss anything with me at all, like he didn't give a shit about my alignment and had no drive to find out why I had a different opinion to him. Except all of this happened not at once but you went from prickly->didn't fight your read->disengaged in your argumentation where you placed your vote at the final one after noobking did. So I can see you as mafia just building on your previous posts reacting to what you wrote to create a tubesock scumread which was consistent with what you already wrote, especially cause of your decision on when to place the vote (when another one already did) _____ I am actually open to the idea I'm wrong on either of you atm and after reading a bit of tube (since he talks about himself instead of finding mafia most of the time, but could be cause he's been in the defensive). And cause I'm always hesitant to lynch possible assets D1 I'm checking if there might be other ones worth lynching over df. Since you are so hung up on tube though I'd expect you to bring forward something more than what you already have and your read on him hasn't evolved much from that point onwards. I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying. And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players. So I was about to say that there is no way this lines up with the 'doesn't feel like scum' reaction to Tube not trying to make reads to save himself. But I think I'd rather ask you to reconcile those two, AMG, if you can. The thing for me is while I liked some of his posting independently, the scumreads are pretty boring. "You didn't talk to me when I had a different read" @tube "You said people when I only am scumreading one person" "you say you'd normally agree with the reasoning for the tube lynch" (and be wrong) "but you take issue with me jumping on it for a different reason" @prp There's like nothing whatsoever to these scumreads. By contrast, his townreads are fairly well-reasoned. I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do here? I don't know how I can further illustrate my thought process more than what i've already put into the thread without just repeating myself. I know what it feels like when I've latched onto a scum, tubesock didn't feel like that, he felt like incoherent town. You're welcome to think my reads are boring, I disagree, I was once upon a time known for making reads that fly in the face of thread sentiment (see tubesock read) and I do not apologize for that. I'm asking you how you can reconcile: 1) Tube is town because he's not coming back with a scumread (i.e. not trying to save himself a la vivax) and 2) Tube is town because nothing he says makes sense and I can't hold him to that standard. You gave two separate narratives for your townread that do not appear to go together to me. Maybe I'm just a dunce and there's a connection I'm not seeing, but it almost seems like you forgot your reason.
Why do I only get to have one reason to town read someone?
Tube came back, did not do what I was expecting a scum Tube to do, and then continued to talk the same brand of nonsense he was before he disappeared. I got fed up with trying to have an actual conversation with him and realised that this isn't something you can fake as scum, ergo town and I was done speaking with him.
Now lets discuss how I scum hunt since you haven't seen the pattern. I see something off. I ping them with a (occasionally obnoxious) statement. They answer, that either satisfies me and I keep walking or I dig until I get a reaction i'm satisfied with. I was unable to finish that with prplhz since he never bloody came back. My reads are much more accurate through direct interaction, as opposed to observation, where I am notoriously shit (see the last 2-3 obs threads).
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On March 08 2018 18:37 Holyflare wrote: Then you'll never see it. Go to someone else instead. I don't need to convince if I just heal him and see
Heal and see will only work here if hes town.. you know that right?
Heal and see is a free kill for mafia because they're chucking their medic on here if hes town.
So you best be trying to convince the town medics to join you if he is in fact scum, because that's the only way you're killing him tonight is with at least one town medic being convinced.
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Holy, what do you make of Vivax?
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On March 08 2018 19:47 Holyflare wrote: I like him. Annoyed he didn't vote df but haven't been able to check why he switched yet.
He went after n00bking who voted for an AFK slot.
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On March 08 2018 19:57 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 19:04 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 18:07 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:56 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:03 darthfoley wrote: Meh I thought we got him considering he was lurking at deadline Yeah... I'm actually warming up to Vivax's AMG read more. On March 08 2018 07:16 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 06:56 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2018 06:03 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 00:08 Vivax wrote: Follow up by AMG looks better at glance given he sticks his head in many different places and generally gives off a vibe of wanting to do stuff which is a plus for him on D1. Doesn't allow me to exclude him as mafia though.
I don't see what would have required catching up in regards to his initial tubesock read however. It remains a read that is essentially based on Tube being prickly entirely, except that the actual vote happens only when Noobking votes.
His initial impression that Tube is prickly goes from being an observation to an explanation for why it is scummy to a vote for other reasons.
It looks like he reacts to his own posts to keep up a narrative in this case. I see it like this could have happened:
Townie overreacts to other townie, AMG spots possible fault by TS, calls him prickly but doesn't go with it anywhere. So he needs to make a followup posts telling us that he thinks it's a mafia trait cause the previous post alone in the room would look bad. Only when Noobking attacks Tubesock AMG decides to vote for him, and he does it by rehashing/agreeing with what Noobking said.
So AMG was kind of looking for reasons to get onto Tubesock purely for the reason he called him prickly already, and since his own reason didn't get enough pull, he only felt like he had the opportunity to do so when Noobking voted first.
This is summed up what's not right with AMG in my opinion. You completely overlook the reason I take issue with tubesock which I've gone over two or three times now. His pricklyness catches my eye, as did him having a read that conflicted with mine, so I challenged his read. He refused to discuss anything with me at all, like he didn't give a shit about my alignment and had no drive to find out why I had a different opinion to him. Except all of this happened not at once but you went from prickly->didn't fight your read->disengaged in your argumentation where you placed your vote at the final one after noobking did. So I can see you as mafia just building on your previous posts reacting to what you wrote to create a tubesock scumread which was consistent with what you already wrote, especially cause of your decision on when to place the vote (when another one already did) _____ I am actually open to the idea I'm wrong on either of you atm and after reading a bit of tube (since he talks about himself instead of finding mafia most of the time, but could be cause he's been in the defensive). And cause I'm always hesitant to lynch possible assets D1 I'm checking if there might be other ones worth lynching over df. Since you are so hung up on tube though I'd expect you to bring forward something more than what you already have and your read on him hasn't evolved much from that point onwards. I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying. And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players. So I was about to say that there is no way this lines up with the 'doesn't feel like scum' reaction to Tube not trying to make reads to save himself. But I think I'd rather ask you to reconcile those two, AMG, if you can. The thing for me is while I liked some of his posting independently, the scumreads are pretty boring. "You didn't talk to me when I had a different read" @tube "You said people when I only am scumreading one person" "you say you'd normally agree with the reasoning for the tube lynch" (and be wrong) "but you take issue with me jumping on it for a different reason" @prp There's like nothing whatsoever to these scumreads. By contrast, his townreads are fairly well-reasoned. I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do here? I don't know how I can further illustrate my thought process more than what i've already put into the thread without just repeating myself. I know what it feels like when I've latched onto a scum, tubesock didn't feel like that, he felt like incoherent town. You're welcome to think my reads are boring, I disagree, I was once upon a time known for making reads that fly in the face of thread sentiment (see tubesock read) and I do not apologize for that. I'm asking you how you can reconcile: 1) Tube is town because he's not coming back with a scumread (i.e. not trying to save himself a la vivax) and 2) Tube is town because nothing he says makes sense and I can't hold him to that standard. You gave two separate narratives for your townread that do not appear to go together to me. Maybe I'm just a dunce and there's a connection I'm not seeing, but it almost seems like you forgot your reason. Why do I only get to have one reason to town read someone? Tube came back, did not do what I was expecting a scum Tube to do, and then continued to talk the same brand of nonsense he was before he disappeared. I got fed up with trying to have an actual conversation with him and realised that this isn't something you can fake as scum, ergo town and I was done speaking with him. Now lets discuss how I scum hunt since you haven't seen the pattern. I see something off. I ping them with a (occasionally obnoxious) statement. They answer, that either satisfies me and I keep walking or I dig until I get a reaction i'm satisfied with. I was unable to finish that with prplhz since he never bloody came back. My reads are much more accurate through direct interaction, as opposed to observation, where I am notoriously shit (see the last 2-3 obs threads). Sure, but usually I don't expect two different answers to the same question like the first no longer exists. Perhaps. Could you explain your prp read to me like I'm two? Particularly your issue with his scumreading you while liking others' reasoning on your scumread.
On March 07 2018 12:36 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:06 Tubesock wrote: I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me.... Also, I didn't think you were grasping at straws to scum AMG, I'm thinking you're grasping at straws to scum Fecal or anyone you can to get in with alignment with AMG who's thrown you the first life rope. Well, that's not happening. In case its not painfully obvious, the other person that's caught my interest today is prplhz. His attack on me was shit and I want to hear more out of him before I make my mind up for today. Frankly, Tubesock just doesn't seem to be operating on a coherent wavelength to me. At all.
On March 07 2018 13:16 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote: This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. The more I read this post, the less I like it. You think the Tubesock push is something you'd normally like, but then be wrong about... so you agree with the logic? And then I'm making excuses to be on that wagon, the one you would normally like? If you'd normally like this kind of push, but you're opting out, what gives. Why are you going against your better judgement in this one?
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On March 08 2018 20:49 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 20:38 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 19:57 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 19:04 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 18:07 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:56 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:03 darthfoley wrote: Meh I thought we got him considering he was lurking at deadline Yeah... I'm actually warming up to Vivax's AMG read more. On March 08 2018 07:16 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 06:56 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2018 06:03 AMG wrote: [quote]
You completely overlook the reason I take issue with tubesock which I've gone over two or three times now. His pricklyness catches my eye, as did him having a read that conflicted with mine, so I challenged his read. He refused to discuss anything with me at all, like he didn't give a shit about my alignment and had no drive to find out why I had a different opinion to him.
Except all of this happened not at once but you went from prickly->didn't fight your read->disengaged in your argumentation where you placed your vote at the final one after noobking did. So I can see you as mafia just building on your previous posts reacting to what you wrote to create a tubesock scumread which was consistent with what you already wrote, especially cause of your decision on when to place the vote (when another one already did) _____ I am actually open to the idea I'm wrong on either of you atm and after reading a bit of tube (since he talks about himself instead of finding mafia most of the time, but could be cause he's been in the defensive). And cause I'm always hesitant to lynch possible assets D1 I'm checking if there might be other ones worth lynching over df. Since you are so hung up on tube though I'd expect you to bring forward something more than what you already have and your read on him hasn't evolved much from that point onwards. I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying. And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players. So I was about to say that there is no way this lines up with the 'doesn't feel like scum' reaction to Tube not trying to make reads to save himself. But I think I'd rather ask you to reconcile those two, AMG, if you can. The thing for me is while I liked some of his posting independently, the scumreads are pretty boring. "You didn't talk to me when I had a different read" @tube "You said people when I only am scumreading one person" "you say you'd normally agree with the reasoning for the tube lynch" (and be wrong) "but you take issue with me jumping on it for a different reason" @prp There's like nothing whatsoever to these scumreads. By contrast, his townreads are fairly well-reasoned. I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do here? I don't know how I can further illustrate my thought process more than what i've already put into the thread without just repeating myself. I know what it feels like when I've latched onto a scum, tubesock didn't feel like that, he felt like incoherent town. You're welcome to think my reads are boring, I disagree, I was once upon a time known for making reads that fly in the face of thread sentiment (see tubesock read) and I do not apologize for that. I'm asking you how you can reconcile: 1) Tube is town because he's not coming back with a scumread (i.e. not trying to save himself a la vivax) and 2) Tube is town because nothing he says makes sense and I can't hold him to that standard. You gave two separate narratives for your townread that do not appear to go together to me. Maybe I'm just a dunce and there's a connection I'm not seeing, but it almost seems like you forgot your reason. Why do I only get to have one reason to town read someone? Tube came back, did not do what I was expecting a scum Tube to do, and then continued to talk the same brand of nonsense he was before he disappeared. I got fed up with trying to have an actual conversation with him and realised that this isn't something you can fake as scum, ergo town and I was done speaking with him. Now lets discuss how I scum hunt since you haven't seen the pattern. I see something off. I ping them with a (occasionally obnoxious) statement. They answer, that either satisfies me and I keep walking or I dig until I get a reaction i'm satisfied with. I was unable to finish that with prplhz since he never bloody came back. My reads are much more accurate through direct interaction, as opposed to observation, where I am notoriously shit (see the last 2-3 obs threads). Sure, but usually I don't expect two different answers to the same question like the first no longer exists. Perhaps. Could you explain your prp read to me like I'm two? Particularly your issue with his scumreading you while liking others' reasoning on your scumread. On March 07 2018 12:36 AMG wrote:On March 07 2018 12:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:06 Tubesock wrote: I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me.... Also, I didn't think you were grasping at straws to scum AMG, I'm thinking you're grasping at straws to scum Fecal or anyone you can to get in with alignment with AMG who's thrown you the first life rope. Well, that's not happening. In case its not painfully obvious, the other person that's caught my interest today is prplhz. His attack on me was shit and I want to hear more out of him before I make my mind up for today. Frankly, Tubesock just doesn't seem to be operating on a coherent wavelength to me. At all. On March 07 2018 13:16 AMG wrote:On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote: This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. The more I read this post, the less I like it. You think the Tubesock push is something you'd normally like, but then be wrong about... so you agree with the logic? And then I'm making excuses to be on that wagon, the one you would normally like? If you'd normally like this kind of push, but you're opting out, what gives. Why are you going against your better judgement in this one? -snorts- Do you honestly think that quoting the things I saw and quoted as a bs scumread is somehow going to magically help me understand your point of view if you're town? What the hell do you even find scummy about that?
No I'm just getting damn sick of repeating myself.
If you can't follow along with my thought processes on those above posts then.. well I give up ?
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On March 09 2018 00:34 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 20:56 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 20:49 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 20:38 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 19:57 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 19:04 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 18:07 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:56 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:03 darthfoley wrote: Meh I thought we got him considering he was lurking at deadline Yeah... I'm actually warming up to Vivax's AMG read more. On March 08 2018 07:16 AMG wrote: [quote]
I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying.
And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players.
So I was about to say that there is no way this lines up with the 'doesn't feel like scum' reaction to Tube not trying to make reads to save himself. But I think I'd rather ask you to reconcile those two, AMG, if you can. The thing for me is while I liked some of his posting independently, the scumreads are pretty boring. "You didn't talk to me when I had a different read" @tube "You said people when I only am scumreading one person" "you say you'd normally agree with the reasoning for the tube lynch" (and be wrong) "but you take issue with me jumping on it for a different reason" @prp There's like nothing whatsoever to these scumreads. By contrast, his townreads are fairly well-reasoned. I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do here? I don't know how I can further illustrate my thought process more than what i've already put into the thread without just repeating myself. I know what it feels like when I've latched onto a scum, tubesock didn't feel like that, he felt like incoherent town. You're welcome to think my reads are boring, I disagree, I was once upon a time known for making reads that fly in the face of thread sentiment (see tubesock read) and I do not apologize for that. I'm asking you how you can reconcile: 1) Tube is town because he's not coming back with a scumread (i.e. not trying to save himself a la vivax) and 2) Tube is town because nothing he says makes sense and I can't hold him to that standard. You gave two separate narratives for your townread that do not appear to go together to me. Maybe I'm just a dunce and there's a connection I'm not seeing, but it almost seems like you forgot your reason. Why do I only get to have one reason to town read someone? Tube came back, did not do what I was expecting a scum Tube to do, and then continued to talk the same brand of nonsense he was before he disappeared. I got fed up with trying to have an actual conversation with him and realised that this isn't something you can fake as scum, ergo town and I was done speaking with him. Now lets discuss how I scum hunt since you haven't seen the pattern. I see something off. I ping them with a (occasionally obnoxious) statement. They answer, that either satisfies me and I keep walking or I dig until I get a reaction i'm satisfied with. I was unable to finish that with prplhz since he never bloody came back. My reads are much more accurate through direct interaction, as opposed to observation, where I am notoriously shit (see the last 2-3 obs threads). Sure, but usually I don't expect two different answers to the same question like the first no longer exists. Perhaps. Could you explain your prp read to me like I'm two? Particularly your issue with his scumreading you while liking others' reasoning on your scumread. On March 07 2018 12:36 AMG wrote:On March 07 2018 12:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:06 Tubesock wrote: I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me.... Also, I didn't think you were grasping at straws to scum AMG, I'm thinking you're grasping at straws to scum Fecal or anyone you can to get in with alignment with AMG who's thrown you the first life rope. Well, that's not happening. In case its not painfully obvious, the other person that's caught my interest today is prplhz. His attack on me was shit and I want to hear more out of him before I make my mind up for today. Frankly, Tubesock just doesn't seem to be operating on a coherent wavelength to me. At all. On March 07 2018 13:16 AMG wrote:On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote: This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. The more I read this post, the less I like it. You think the Tubesock push is something you'd normally like, but then be wrong about... so you agree with the logic? And then I'm making excuses to be on that wagon, the one you would normally like? If you'd normally like this kind of push, but you're opting out, what gives. Why are you going against your better judgement in this one? -snorts- Do you honestly think that quoting the things I saw and quoted as a bs scumread is somehow going to magically help me understand your point of view if you're town? What the hell do you even find scummy about that? No I'm just getting damn sick of repeating myself. If you can't follow along with my thought processes on those above posts then.. well I give up ? Im not asking you to repeat yourself. I understand that you say that you think it's scummy for someone to scumread you for jumping on a wagon for a different reason than the one they generally find compelling but would probably be wrong about. I want to understand WHY you think the above is scummy. Because to me his reasoning is obvious.
He says that my tubesock push is something he would normally like, and then be wrong on.
And then says I'm making up reasons to be on that wagon..
That strikes me as logically unsound and not what I would consider a natural thought process.
So I'm asking back at him which is it? Is this something you would normally like, and find my argument logically sound, or am I making up excuses to be on the wagon, and you do not agree with the argument I put forward to be on the wagon. Which is it? Because it can't bloody be both.
And why is he going against his better judgement on this case. If this is something he normally likes, but chooses to not like this time.. what's different this time?
I also don't like how he generalized my play to say im scumreading 'people', like I was doing it to multiple people, when I had exactly one scum read and one town read in the thread at that point. It's disingenuous.
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He keeps posting giant piles of words that I haven't had enough coffee to read. It's 5am here.
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On March 09 2018 04:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 03:59 AMG wrote: He keeps posting giant piles of words that I haven't had enough coffee to read. It's 5am here. Any preference for who should be vigged? Lynch ideas for tomorrow?
I fundamentally disagree with a majority of what n00bking is saying right now, but I still think he's town.
Yeah to absolutely no one's surprise I want prplhz flipped. If he's town then I'm back to the drawingboard.
As for tomorrow, I'm at a loss and I'm hoping the night kill/s give me a better direction to head in.
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On March 09 2018 06:18 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 05:55 darthfoley wrote: Fact that no one is even trying to divert medicvig off of prplhz implies he's town. Meh Wouldn't necessarily be such a terrible thing, if it helps guide the noose on day 2. What do we learn from a prplhz townflip? Is that something we can use? Because given his activity level, no one could be too heartbroken to see him die and flip town. And I don't really care to be handing out free passes on the basis of "only on page 22, I'll play later."
Well it shows i was completely wrong on prplhz. And that day 1 voting was between 2 townies, before shifting to vivax and df, which there is info to be had in that.
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Yeah I'm here.
Fecal we can hope all we want, its up to the medics to make the right choices with the info we've been given.
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Good game overall.
I never really got HF as mafia at all this game or understood anyone that was pushing it. Nor did i see df as anything but town. or rsoultin. Lots of townies making themselves really townie made things easier, not many places to hide.
And yes, Ive been floating around this site since 2013 or so. I play rarely. I will say that my drive to play disappeared right around the time marv did also.
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On March 15 2018 09:04 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 08:55 AMG wrote: Good game overall.
I never really got HF as mafia at all this game or understood anyone that was pushing it. Nor did i see df as anything but town. or rsoultin. Lots of townies making themselves really townie made things easier, not many places to hide.
And yes, Ive been floating around this site since 2013 or so. I play rarely. I will say that my drive to play disappeared right around the time marv did also. -pokes- Hope I didn't offend you! My main reason for finding your kill weird was that you seemed pretty lost after the prp kill, which was inevitable enough that I didn't think that would be enough to get a player shot. It wasn't because you were a bad kill. I can be a baddy early game, especially when I'm having trouble finding mafia in general lol >< (And late game. And mid game.) Also, I echo the props to moosy/nk. It's tough to stay that involved in a game like this. You guys definitely had a chance, probably more of a chance than it felt like you had. D3 really seemed like it could go about anywhere until the very end or so.
Oh not at all, I think i mentioned in obs that we were ALL struggling to find mafia early game and it was really starting to show. Everyone was standing around saying BUT WHOS MAFIA to each other and the response was a shrug. That really is a credit to moosey and noobkings early play to stay off nearly every bodies radar, they did quite well in that regard and I think town did equally well to not go feral on itself when there were no obvious options to go for.
I can say though that my day 1 reads are probably about 50%, but by the end of 2nd or 3rd cycle i'm usually well and truly onto scum, as unpopular as my reads may be at the time. If i'm flying with thread sentiment, you can assume i'm either being lazy af or i'm scum.
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On March 15 2018 09:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 09:16 AMG wrote:On March 15 2018 09:04 rsoultin wrote:On March 15 2018 08:55 AMG wrote: Good game overall.
I never really got HF as mafia at all this game or understood anyone that was pushing it. Nor did i see df as anything but town. or rsoultin. Lots of townies making themselves really townie made things easier, not many places to hide.
And yes, Ive been floating around this site since 2013 or so. I play rarely. I will say that my drive to play disappeared right around the time marv did also. -pokes- Hope I didn't offend you! My main reason for finding your kill weird was that you seemed pretty lost after the prp kill, which was inevitable enough that I didn't think that would be enough to get a player shot. It wasn't because you were a bad kill. I can be a baddy early game, especially when I'm having trouble finding mafia in general lol >< (And late game. And mid game.) Also, I echo the props to moosy/nk. It's tough to stay that involved in a game like this. You guys definitely had a chance, probably more of a chance than it felt like you had. D3 really seemed like it could go about anywhere until the very end or so. Oh not at all, I think i mentioned in obs that we were ALL struggling to find mafia early game and it was really starting to show. Everyone was standing around saying BUT WHOS MAFIA to each other and the response was a shrug. That really is a credit to moosey and noobkings early play to stay off nearly every bodies radar, they did quite well in that regard and I think town did equally well to not go feral on itself when there were no obvious options to go for. I can say though that my day 1 reads are probably about 50%, but by the end of 2nd or 3rd cycle i'm usually well and truly onto scum, as unpopular as my reads may be at the time. If i'm flying with thread sentiment, you can assume i'm either being lazy af or i'm scum. You were refreshing to play with. Thanks for playing.
No problem at all, I would have liked to have played out another cycle or two to see what we could have done together.
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On March 15 2018 10:25 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 09:04 rsoultin wrote: Also, I echo the props to moosy/nk. It's tough to stay that involved in a game like this. You guys definitely had a chance.
You can have your opinion I suppose, but I powerfully disagree. I thought the game was lost as soon as prplhz chose not to play, and let himself get killed N1. I told Moosy as much immediately, and gave him permission to scoop whenever he wanted to. In fact, I said to prplhz IN the scum thread (before he died) that if he didn't start playing and get himself out of the N1 crosshairs, it would make it literally impossible for his team to win. I later meant to tell him to "please start playing, or just post the scum roster in the game thread" but I forgot. And as I mentioned in the scum thread, he probably would not have even seen it anyway, since he never made a 2nd post there after saying hi. So as soon as the N1 results came in, I gave up on the game. And made sure Moosy understood I was giving up, and that he shouldn't expect to have a teammate rest-of-way, because he wasn't going to. And I didn't feel bad about leaving him high-and-dry, because his other teammate had already done it anyway. Moosy apparently agreed with you (about the game being winnable) at one point, and said so. But I told him nah, it wasn't winnable, and that I was not willing to start trying. Maybe someday I'll be part of scum roster here where all of the members play. But it hasn't happened yet, and someone (AMG, maybe?) mentioned in the observation thread that they think this could be the final game on TLMafia. Maybe it is time.
Between the epic long sign-up and the number of inactives, getting next game going with any more than 9 players will be an achievement.
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