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On June 26 2018 10:29 CopCake wrote: Tbh i was about to say ticktock seemed townie lol same with conversion. I have problems with the big post, from regfan and how people reacted to it. I read it (well skimmed) and I was like “Literally that is fake for the little time”, seemed more of a dumb post/meme thing if everything. I've done nothing but spam lynch Holyflare, so why am I townie to you? | ||
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On June 26 2018 11:50 Regfan wrote: @Conversion - What's your reads/thoughts on Non-Holyflare players? Cheers, most of this makes a lot of sense. Wouldn't mind you getting to the Moscsta question when you get a chance, we're reading his posts here as busywork to a degree and Gemma can't work out why the things he's commenting on are important to him or where he's really trying to go with it and working out if this is just a playstyle concern or not would be nice. -R I’m peeved Mocsta acknowledged I was “making hits” and didn’t answer my question. CopCake randomly townreading me (though the screen touching joke was funny) bothers me Calix not answering why she voted HF bothers me Nothing substantial yet. CopCake feels town even though she randoy townread peopl earlier but I’d want to mull on it a bit more | ||
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On June 26 2018 10:31 CopCake wrote: Also rayn I wouldnt take that post seriously (the huge lne) someone also said it is a copy paste? Like he probably tried to be funny but failed, I mean no mafia would put effort to say “hey I am a seer?” When there is a real one so yeah. This stood out to me because in the same sentence, she says it's a joke ('probably tried to be funny') but then also gives reasoning that implies Regfan is town for 'putting effort into claiming seer when there is a real seer'. I do not understand how she concludes that a 'meme' or 'joke post' makes someone town just because they put a lot of effort into it. Especially when she says straight afterwards that it is "probably a meme". The thought process seems a bit inconsistent here. if your points didn't change, why is this a scum read? if anything it seems more town-indicative to make a statement such as "there is a real seer" when there isn't a "seer" | ||
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On June 26 2018 16:06 Calix wrote: This stood out to me because in the same sentence, she says it's a joke ('probably tried to be funny') but then also gives reasoning that implies Regfan is town for 'putting effort into claiming seer when there is a real seer'. I do not understand how she concludes that a 'meme' or 'joke post' makes someone town just because they put a lot of effort into it. Especially when she says straight afterwards that it is "probably a meme". The thought process seems a bit inconsistent here. because I can't quote apparently | ||
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On June 26 2018 23:19 Calix wrote: I didn't call her mafia for saying 'there is a real seer'. I was criticising the 'putting effort into a meme makes someone townie' implication ^^ We might be reading things differently, but CopCake's post to me seemed like she was saying more so that no mafia would ever posture that he/she is a seer, when there is a real seer. | ||
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Not that it's absolutely true that a mafia wouldn't fake claim as a joke, but I'm not seeing this implication that you are. | ||
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On June 27 2018 01:29 Vivax wrote: Conversion seems to be super hedgy this game. Several instances of CC suspicion but he isn't doing much with it. I'm still on the lynch HF train, buddy. Maybe I'll fakeclaim cop day 2 to try and get him lynched like a certain someone. | ||
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On June 27 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote: Oh hedgy means something entirely different. Let's use passive instead. With all the things he mentioned about cop I'd expect him to have a fleshed out scumread by now Yes. His name is Holyflare. Let's lynch him together for victory. | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:40 ShoCkeyy wrote: I go to dinner, sleep, get ready for work, get my day started, visit TL, see 13 pages, type this response, close TL, be back later to read walls of text T_T why even post this | ||
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On June 27 2018 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you going to read something at some point Conversion? No | ||
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On June 27 2018 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Very good then don't post pls and let us lynch mafia. Last time I read the ToS for teamliquid, a man named raynpelikoneet didn't have the right to dictate how/when I can post on these forums | ||
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On June 27 2018 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure gameplaywise you are more of an ass than i am, so if i was you i would shut my mouth on this topic. I suggest you don't talk to me for the rest of the game and I will do the same. We enjoy a rather civil relationship when this dynamic is exercised properly! | ||
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On June 27 2018 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I agree, you're trash. Keep the bottle away while you're playing, lush. Toodaloo! | ||
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Rereading rayn/reg makes me solidified in not wanting to lynch them today. Rayn is probably town, reg I get a weird feeling from filter.. like they post a lot and bring a good logical standpoint on things but can't remember anything memorable coming from it? Hence why I wanted some other inputs, but doubt regfan should ever be lynched today, I suppose. Gun to my head, my lynch pool would be HF > Shock > Koshi, but things will change.. will dive Tictock some time later since lunch break is over | ||
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On June 27 2018 02:18 Calix wrote: I think you make a decent point with Reg. I was town-reading that slot because we had similar-ish reads at around the same time and they're producing a lot of content. But I can also see your argument where they don't say much that's scummy in isolation but you also can't say what they're trying to accomplish this game. It's not something I want to bet a D1 lynch on though. I'm a bit skeptical about how I'm reading people because (now I've started to actually filter people and play the game) there's nothing that scummy about most of the active players and I kinda doubt that ALL the mafia are inactive. Why? Yeah, hence I don't really want to lynch him today. Why I don't like it is I don't see town motivation in trying to soft that you are unlynchable for whatever reason. Just bleed green through your play, not trying to bait mafia shots. I'm pretty sure I historically found it scummy when someone tries to draw mafia shot by vague nonsense like that. | ||
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On June 27 2018 02:49 Holyflare wrote: Wait so the guy I wanted to lynch rubs you the wrong way too lol?? Why do you even scum read me? You are the tip-top lynch every day 100% the correct play as town. DIE | ||
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On June 27 2018 05:15 Tictock wrote: Don't take it as that, I'm just going gung-ho with my initial reads this game rather than being a tad passive in the early stages. Always open to re-evaluation. As such, while nothing has stood out to me as clearly Town!Calix I no longer think you are lock scum. Though it's just me being swayed by tone more than anything specific really. I think I am going with the strategy of building a solid group of people I think are town and sorting out the Mafia from the remainder this phase. Right now I think my town list is Rayn, Cake, Mocsta, and I'm probably going to add HF and Conversion but am less sure about them atm (though I'm pretty unlikely to want to lynch them today regardless). why am I a waffle town | ||
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On June 27 2018 19:28 Regfan wrote: Really difficult to actually get a read on Conversion here since his HF push/scum-read looks to be entirely based on some OGI-esque type grudge or a joke-push that he's just maintained for the sheer majority of the day phase. It has scum motivation in that they can hide behind a push that can easily be chalked up as less alignment indicative but ultimately neither of those things feel out of the question for a TL player to do as town. There's other reads/thoughts inside his ISO, some I can sort of follow, others I can't, really though, not a lot to actually get a solidish read on anywhere there. @Conversion - 1) Can you please just run through where your concern with HF stems from; what's he done here or previously that makes you think he's a worthy policy lynch type player? Can you also try and pull away from your issues with him as a person/player and run through what you think of his alignment in this game 2) How'd your dive into TT go, wouldn't mind you running through your stance on Vivax a little more for me, in #373, you mention you don't really think either him or Calix is mafia, I can follow your reasoning for not thinking they're a scum team there but I don't really see much more to it and removing him and throwing Shockwave/Koshi as your lynch pool feels fairly lazy. - R 1) I'm not actually being serious about HF. He sounds town, doesn't like TT like me. Overall his play is unimpressive to me so far 2) After some thought,TT is unremarkable and does his whole unlynchable shtick, but I doubt mafia would do that on a day where people get lynched for more inane reasons than that. That lynch pool was a gun to my head if I were to vote on people. I still don't think there's a mafia in Vivax/Calix, but I may be wrong. If I'm going by PoE, you and rayn are not lynches today. Mocsta/HF/Cop are my town reads. Shockeyy/Vivax/Calix/Koshi My Vivax read is more of a gut feel as he hasn't posted enough to form any read to me. I do actively question people who scum read him and Calix together as that makes almost 0% sense in my books | ||
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On June 27 2018 21:30 Vivax wrote: Rayn scumreads both of us btw. Bolded things in your post look contradictory at 1st glance. after your town reads it looks like you forgot to add something to that combo. The reads are an "If" my friend. I don't like PoE, but you four are the most unsure to me. Aside from people who haven't posted once. Also meant to clarify I see you more town than mafia. And rayn doesn't scumread me. | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:11 Regfan wrote: Conversion I really disliked the way he was pushing on HF, I also don't know if I entirely believe that he was just joking about scumreading him, because in #349 he responds to a serious post about a different read by saying he's not pushing that person, he's pushing HF. If his HF push is a joke, this feels like abusing that as a way to avoid responsibility for other stances, which would be the main mafia motivation for such a tunnel in the first place. He also says in #373 that HF is in his lynch pool, and given that the rest of that post is entirely serious, I don't really understand him not dropping the shtick there if that's what it was and being like "okay I'm being real now guys, here's my lynch pool" or whatever. Sidenote I have no idea why I keep gendering Calix as male. #216 was the first post where I started to feel tangibly bad about him, the way he talks about Cake feels disconnected but that's really just a little thing and more gut than actual reasoning I can talk about in a sensible way. I'm a little bothered by the difference between his serious posts and the rest of his content. It feels fake somehow, that he's making a lot of little bite-sized posts that are kind of empty, then interspersing them with more serious ones. I don't know exactly how to explain this right now but the process inconsistency there feels bad. I also just don't really have any real idea of who Conversion really thinks is mafia and why. I don't think he's really put himself out there at all or taken any meaningful stances and that also feels bad. His read on us in particular I dislike. It feels like he's been trying to deny us towncred for as long as possible. He started off by asking people why we were town, excluding the most obvious reasons why we were town, then later says that we're logical in a good way but unmemorable and it doesn't feel like something he's genuinely thought through on his own. He also says that we're unmemorable literally right after rereading us, so I don't understand how that's even a thought? That's from #373, if you want to go see what I mean. I also think the way he has treated Vivax is weird, he's said twice now that he doesn't feel like Vivax+1 make sense as mafia together but not really shown any deeper thought than that and that doesn't feel genuine to me. I struggle to follow his thoughts in #517 and for the most part the way he talks about his stances feels kind of fake. I wouldn't say I strongly scumread him by any means but I don't think he's town right now and I don't think I'd be opposed to lynching him today. There are a bunch of little things from him that I sort of slightly dislike, one or two things that I dislike more, and not really anything from him that I like except his tone and well, the fact that he's at least made some posts. I would definitely appreciate some help with this read because there's probably a chance that some or a lot of this is playstyle and I don't really want to get hung up on that kind of thing. I wouldn't mind hearing him respond to any parts of this that he feels inclined to, especially if he were to talk about who he actually wants to lynch and why that would be really great. -G These are exactly the type of posts I have an issue with concerning your play. You make this long-winded post that is teetering on the edge of painting me scum, and even saying you wouldn’t mind lynching me, but then you do this soft cry for help shit. Stick to your guns and actually push and make a read? If my playstyle is scummy to you, then stick to that. If you’re unsure, then don’t lynch me over your stronger scumreads | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:29 Regfan wrote: If I'm not sure about my read on you, I'm not going to pretend to be sure. That would be stupid and horrible play. I'm also not going to not talk about a read just because I'm not sure about it. Don't tell me how to play and I won't tell you how to play, thanks. -G I’m not “dictating” how you play, I’m calling bullshit on you partly scumreading me because I’m trying to “debunk” your towncred. I had bad feelings about you even though what you were doing is town-aligned, hence the question to the thread. I moved on from it pretty quickly once it got no steam and I resolved myself you being most likely town and moving on to figuring out who I want to lynch D1. If you don’t want me talking to your points, don’t ask me to softly clarify in your posts. Simple as that. | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:44 Regfan wrote: Right, that's why you addressed none of my actual concerns and instead just insulted the way I play the game. Screw off. -G Go ask more people on how to scumread people after making a 5 paragraph essay, then. See ya | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:49 Calix wrote: You cannot be serious. Instead of trying to explain yourself to others so that they can understand where you're coming from, you deliberately leave things vague and up to interpretation. Even though, from your POV, I'm either misreading you (as town) or I'm intentionally misrepresenting your posts (as mafia). I don't see how a townie makes this post ever. So I'm just going with ShoCkeyy/ Vivax/ ??? for my current scum reads. I'd like some thoughts on ShoCkeyy/ Calix from the rest of the thread please. I recall having the same frustrations with Shock making posts that never seemed town, and he ended up being town, in a game I played with him. I’ll metacheck that when I’m at a computer | ||
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On June 27 2018 23:55 Tictock wrote: IMO you should just ignore Conversion re: HF. It is some sort of gruge, or more like he is just unwilling to try and read HF so just always assumes he is mafia and thinks the best play is to kill him first. And I'm not quoting it, but your next post about Rayn here reminded me of something in the Conv v Rayn shit fest that I want to check. Conversion is well know to rage when insulted (though he never has a problem throwing the insults himself), even to the extent that he got himself modkilled in his last game after blowing up about some bout of name calling or some such. You could not be any more wrong about your first statement. | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:22 CopCake wrote: Rip that horrible match for Mexico lmaooook jesuschrist south korea assasinating germany’s WC chances.. what is this world cup | ||
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On June 27 2018 23:55 Tictock wrote: IMO you should just ignore Conversion re: HF. It is some sort of gruge, or more like he is just unwilling to try and read HF so just always assumes he is mafia and thinks the best play is to kill him first. And I'm not quoting it, but your next post about Rayn here reminded me of something in the Conv v Rayn shit fest that I want to check. Conversion is well know to rage when insulted (though he never has a problem throwing the insults himself), even to the extent that he got himself modkilled in his last game after blowing up about some bout of name calling or some such. | ||
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You got mad at me because I didn’t “address” any of your other glaring concerns because I didn’t disagree with anything else but that. The fact that you’re still carrying on with a “I’ll lynch a null read over my town Calix read” instead of convincing others on your stronger scum reads does not give you town credibilty in my eyes. None whatsoever. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:12 Calix wrote: They used to do this back in ye olden days as well? @Conversion, did you ever get around to that meta read of ShoCkeyy? How confident are you in that read? I never get along with rayn. Well, except Vendee when we were rather civil to each other but that's cause we barely talked at each other, hence why I suggested we don't talk to each other and cut it short. I am finally on a computer now, so let me dig. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:16 Regfan wrote: I didn't call you toxic. Who are you even talking to? I'm voting Vivax, I've never tried to lynch you at any point in this game. And I didn't get mad at you, btw. -G On June 27 2018 22:29 Regfan wrote: If I'm not sure about my read on you, I'm not going to pretend to be sure. That would be stupid and horrible play. I'm also not going to not talk about a read just because I'm not sure about it. Don't tell me how to play and I won't tell you how to play, thanks. -G On June 27 2018 22:44 Regfan wrote: Right, that's why you addressed none of my actual concerns and instead just insulted the way I play the game. Screw off. -G Annoyed is the better word I suppose. Also your post on how "half the game" is insulting your playstyle, and I am distinctly in your filter as telling someone to screw off for insulting your playstyle. | ||
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but I aggregated some things. I think I just put him on a low-key read but don't dwell on because I tried way too hard to read into him in the aforementioned game and was just straight up wrong. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2017 11:32 Conversion wrote: Fair. Hope that changes over the course of the game, b/c I'm not scum but I can see where you're coming from I guess. I don't really like this entrance, and I don't really like his last post of "let's just wait for AFKers to come in." you shouldn't be sitting around twiddling your thumbs and waiting for people to not be AFK. it's awful behavior, and there was more than enough content to push some buttons/ask questions and agendas no bueno On November 01 2017 11:41 Conversion wrote: I just pointed your entrance out b/c it's like Tictock randomly de-towning me in his list for not seeing obvious joke posts.. except you applied that to a broader audience instead of just me. Seemed like a lazy, forced comment about a bunch of fluff that came out within the first hour of the game On November 02 2017 01:14 Conversion wrote: I'm voting ShoCkeyy until he stops dodging me for whatever reason. On November 02 2017 07:03 Conversion wrote: someone explain to me why shockey is bad town instead of scum for his leaps in logic and deflecting shit back onto me because I'm not seeing it and he should be lynched because he is scum On November 02 2017 07:34 Conversion wrote: you’re not dealing with anyone. you come up when someone mentions you then disappear again your behavior is 100% clear as day scum. try harder | ||
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On June 28 2018 03:02 Calix wrote: I took the liberty of reading Shockeyy's filter that game and I don't agree he's playing the same way. The excessive confidence in his reads is not present in that Heroes filter. He actually has some reasons for town-reading people that AREN'T pre-flips. He's less arrogant, for lack of a better word. Actually seems to be having fun in that game. There are some aspects that are similar, like 'baiting' people, making questionable arguments against players and flippantly throwing out pre-flip associations like confetti, but overall I think this filter actually gives evidence AGAINST him being town. I acknowledge I may be confirmation-biasing myself here but I think the point about how he's excessively overdoing his confidence in his reads holds. I'm not comparing playstyles, was just giving an example of me being frustrated at Shockeyy's playstyle and seeing a connection between you and him to me and him in a previous game. I don't like comparing meta TOO much unless I feel like it's completely different from a recent game.. like I did with rsoultin at Vendee since I just end up wasting a ton of time as decent mafia players just play similarly town or mafia | ||
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Shockeyy why do you scumread TT over Calix | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:07 Tictock wrote: You only came out and said your HF read wasn't serious (yet at the same time you still implied he could be mafia kus you called him "unimpressive") 7 hours ago. I also remember you doing this gung-ho lynch HF d1 stuff before. It is clearly something you just do, which is why I said ppl should ignore it. So tell me, how was I misrepresenting anything? My kneejerk reaction brain wants to suggest a Rayn/Conv/Sho team right now. I am also apparently unable to stop responding to whatever I feel like, and am probably not getting to doing any filters before my meal is over. Since when does calling someone unimpressive imply they are mafia? Unimpressive means unimpressive. Also find a game where I tried to legitimately get HF lynched day one all “gung-ho” style, cause I can’t remember ever doing that. | ||
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On June 28 2018 06:15 Calix wrote: Hey hey. TT is like super town. So instead of fighting with him, vote ShoCkeyy. The dude is still completely misrepresenting me, sticking with it, and then even saying knee-jerk I am scum after softly calling me town all game? Hasn't talked to me at all until this post. That is not town, like at all. | ||
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On June 28 2018 06:47 Calix wrote: ... Did I enter a troll game without realising it? Am I the only person who actually wants to lynch mafia? Currently the vote count is atrocious, votes are really close, and nobody gives a flying fuck about consolidation. TT wants to vote rayn who isn't getting lynched. HF wants to vote BF because of some sports thing, and I swear to God if Conversion votes for HF, I'm dumping an entire landfill of Lego bricks over his fancy new house. We should all join hands, sing kumbaya, and lynch HF together. Also legos are expensive! | ||
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We should lynch Holyflare for randomly switching to boxerfred | ||
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Choo choo? | ||
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Because you randomly try to divert a lynch onto an AFKer who is irrelevant? also if this is a no modkill game I'm just AFKing until end game | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:53 Calix wrote: So mafia!TT's brilliant plan is to kill himself? On top of everything else, he is more likely to flip mafia than town. IF he is town he needs to fuck off with his emo TL mafia is trash garbage monologue he's doing and actually play to save himself on a scum read HE ACTUALLY HAS win-win either way | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:55 Holyflare wrote: And why does that make me mafia if I could quite easily lynch someone that's talking? In what town world is lynching an irrelevant 0 information poster on day 1 a better alternative to even mislynching and giving us information? | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:00 Holyflare wrote: Lo and behold mafia conversion saves mafi bf. ????? | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:16 Vivax wrote: So now we've established that HF isn't psychic. I'm pissed at both tt and conversion for rubbing it into my face like that how close I was to lynching shockey, but I will forgive you cause I am magnanimous. Can we kill him tomorrow thanks? I'm not rubbing it in anyone's face-- I actually had to think a lot and came to a late conclusion. Would have been much, much easier if TT just voted to save himself as it made no sense in my head why he would go emo, make a comment on me going emo and modkilling myself in previous games, before ACTUALLY voting to save himself. But whatever. Boxerfred lynch was trash, and now we just extended day1 for no reason whatsover. Thanks shitty wagoners that enabled this to happen. TT dying would have been more favorable than this garbage | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:58 Calix wrote: Conversion's EOD goes something like this: - Notes TT isn't voting to save himself - Wants to CFD onto HF - Says TT isn't town here: - Says HF is mafia for wanting to lynch into AFKs here: - Says he'll listen to me (implying he'll finally switch to ShoCkeyy?) - Then trashes the BF wagon as terrible The main thing to note here is that he didn't change his vote to ShoCkeyy until 23:59 when he had been around in the thread for much longer (although the posts I refer to here were all made about 10 minutes before EOD). Additionally I am not sure why he changed his vote when BF was getting votes by saying 'I'll listen to Calix' especially since I had been trying to convince Conversion well beforehand and I had even said I was going to vote for Boxerfred purely to save TT. So an explanation of his thought process here would be helpful. You deserve an explanation of all people, so sure. I was waiting for TT to come into the thread which he did. Then he saved himself like he should have hours ago. And I didn’t want BF lynch to happen. That wasn’t just after flip. I feared this would happen if Shockey lynch didn’t happen, and so I thought I had more time but was torn with TT not coming back so late. It’s a shit explanation, but it is what it is. I don’t really agree with HF in the BF lynch giving us information, but eh. | ||
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On June 28 2018 09:06 Tictock wrote: Shame on Vivax and Conv for suggesting this. Why bother to sign up to play at all then? Why do I bother to sign up to play a game when people can’t bother to actually sign up and play, and they have to be big ass question marks without getting modkilled? | ||
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On June 28 2018 09:22 Tictock wrote: I'm going to note that Conversion's swap only occurred when Boxer was already the lynch, and his swap made no difference. Had he switched his vote off me sooner Shokey would have very likely been the lynch. This suggests a high likelyhood of them being on a team imo. Worth noting that this was Conversion's most relevant post regarding Shokey prior to this. Which is kinda just a convoluted null read via meta... or a meta read with no conclusion which is kinda worse. Why would I risk looking worse by switching instead of just staying on you if boxerfred was the lynch? | ||
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On June 28 2018 09:41 Tictock wrote: So why did you move your vote at all, and not try harder to sway people to vote me. Love how multiple people are acting like I'm to blame for BF getting lynched. Who’s acting like you are to blame, regardless of what HF said? I was explaining my rationale to Calix, and somehow you’re taking that as me blaming you. My vote hinged on you actually playing the game, who fucking knew? If you’re just going to act like a pissy, moody, teenager, kindly join the rayn camp and don’t bother fucking talking to me. I’m seriously sick of your shit attitude and you telling me I do the same in past games when you’re the one acting like a fucking drama queen along with Regfan | ||
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On June 28 2018 11:38 Regfan wrote: As done as I am with this game and site, I actually find the idea of any of you talking about our alignment while we flake unbearable, so, here's a modkill: Gemma - Yesterday at 9:01 PM yeah http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/534607-chill-hop-mafia?page=20#381 Regfan - Yesterday at 9:01 PM not sure how up to date you are on the thread Gemma - Yesterday at 9:01 PM i don't get how mafia can talk that way Regfan - Yesterday at 9:01 PM but i've dumped a LOT of analysis lately Gemma - Yesterday at 9:01 PM in that situation ok i'm at page 22 or so Regfan - Yesterday at 9:01 PM ah, page 25 is me walling nonstop Gemma - Yesterday at 9:02 PM goodie Regfan - Yesterday at 9:02 PM really like that calix post that you linked also feel free to correct me if you disagree but i kind of feel like this second half of d1 has felt even more dead than the first half and i can easily see that being the case if it's cake/calix walling each other and scum reading each other and they're t/t here and scum just standing back Gemma - Yesterday at 9:04 PM i mean i think tt is mafia and pulled back on scumreading calix at at point where it looked like he was going to be lynched so yes i think that's the world we're in Regfan - Yesterday at 9:04 PM i need to talk with rayn in real time badly if he's town here he's likely to decide the lynch he's got koshi and cake as his 2nd & 3rd voters imo Gemma - Yesterday at 9:05 PM yeah we need to talk to mocsta too Regfan - Yesterday at 9:07 PM hum Gemma - Yesterday at 9:07 PM he's reading calix for a lot of stuff that doesn't mean anything Regfan - Yesterday at 9:07 PM oh, yeah i'm planning on dropping a post on calix/cake as a duo-post and then doing a separate post re; rayns & moscatos cases on calix is next on my list after that i've just got a rayn post/vivax post and to talk with you and i'm fully up to date Gemma - Yesterday at 9:10 PM ok i'm not sure if i'm doing well enough to post anything but i'll try Regfan - Yesterday at 9:12 PM np just try and catch up and read my posts i'm happy to be the one making the posts in the thread (i have the night free) but want you to be up to date with where my heads at so we can have a proper convo Gemma - Yesterday at 9:19 PM i'm caught up Regfan - Yesterday at 9:20 PM agree HF is VERY town? i went over calix, dude is obvtown imo Gemma - Yesterday at 9:21 PM yes how confident are you on calix? Regfan - Yesterday at 9:22 PM mocsta>hf=calix huge gap, everyone else Gemma - Yesterday at 9:23 PM so let's save him? Regfan - Yesterday at 9:23 PM yeah, i'm going over cakes case on him atm Gemma - Yesterday at 9:23 PM k Regfan - Yesterday at 9:23 PM let me focus on that part? and you focus on who we're actually lynching -G Mocsta, get out of here, you're too nice for this site. Calix, I really like you, you remind me of a good friend of mine from the site where I normally play, you should also never play here again. I really think you're dead wrong on TT. Never ever ever ever ever lynch like that again, please. Oh, sorry this is Gemma or whatever your name is. Grow a thicker skin. Maybe half of D1 wouldn’t have been dead if you didn’t spend all of it crying about how terrible this site is, and AFKing at EoD then complaining about a shitty boxerfred lynch | ||
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To answer your question (I think it’s in my filter somewhere, or at least a part of it), I could not see where town!TT would not vote his scumread to get Shockeyy off the island. Calix was one of my stronger townreads, so once she kept saying reconsider I was pretty much arguing with myself on the chances of you vs Shockeyy flipping mafia. Also didn’t really want to boxerfred lynch, and ended up making a decision too late (was pretty much thinking up until deadline and just made the decision to switch off). I don’t think it’s any alignment indication on the switch alone— it’s a pretty bad play regardless of town/scum angle, but that’s just my opinion | ||
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On June 28 2018 12:40 Tictock wrote: So, you didn't understand why I would not switch back to Shokey, but thought both of us could be mafia. So you had to have concluded that we were mafia together and I was wanting to save my teammate then correct? The boxer thing I was in total agreence about if you noticed. Care to elaborate? You somehow got reg and conversion totally confused, not sure how you made that mistake unless you only glanced at my post without reading it. Yeah, that’s the only narrative that made sense unless you were just actually super down about the game and didn’t want to play anymore (but you had thread presence, so I felt like voting Shockeyy should have come first). In the end I thought that I could re-evaluate you over Shockeyy with a bunch of people saying you were town since I tend to be close to 100% wrong when that many people are telling me something that goes against my opinion (I think I was right only once when that happened) | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:43 Holyflare wrote: I just find it funny you all lynched bf :D I hope Belgium gives England a good thrashing today | ||
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On June 29 2018 07:16 Mocsta wrote: Lack of choice my filter is very transparent about what I walked into... 20+pages and a shit-show. I can't help it if people dont like how I reacted to that, but I doubt others could have done much better Didn't you hard townread Regfan who said don't vote boxerfred, and wanted to lynch Shockeyy? or anyone but boxerfred? | ||
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On June 29 2018 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Conversion why do you say this? This sounds awfully like "let's pick one townie and one mafia and justify a townread on both of them because they can't be mafia together". Furthermore you follow this up with a list of three scummers whchi don't include Cake who was someone your early filter even remotely says is scummy. Was that just to get way from a "scumread" you had on Calix, because i can't really think another answer when i read pages 1-2 on your filter? I didn't think either of them looked particularly mafia to me, and I was replying against the sentiment of a Vivax-Calix team as that made no sense. If I was really trying to figure out what I was saying, it was that if there was a mafia between them, it would be Calix, not Vivax. I'm not quite sure I understand your second part. Are you trying to say that it doesn't include CopCake, who wasn't a scum read early on in my filter? | ||
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On June 29 2018 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes, i am implying there is a fair chance you only scumread Cake to justify not scumreading Calix anymore. I don't understand why don't include her into your list at that point you made the post #373. Hmm, but I don't think I ever scumread Cake? I defended her PoV against Calix earlier on and don't think I interacted with her after that | ||
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Your post to TT is so dumb. "Oh yeah everyone is playing stupid so you're totally allowed to kill yourself" lol. Like seriously? Your reasoning right now is rayn is claimed doc town, HF is town, TT is town, you have AFKer Koshi and Slender who's probably town, so you think that Conversion/Shockeyy/Cop, the only three remaining, are the mafia team. Your depth of thinking is terrible and you're either just reaching to try and find sense, or you're just mafia throwing shit and defending confirmed townies to give yourself towncred, and then flipping 180s to the "unsure" townies to gut them against each other. I don't give a shit about playing a game where people sign up, AFK, barely play, modkill themselves off one of the least toxic games I have witnessed. | ||
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On June 30 2018 07:36 Calix wrote: Yes, seriously. He was one of the few people I actually LIKED playing with this game and I'm disappointed I can't play with him anymore. And that I have to deal with the rest of the thread. I think that team makes a lot of sense and insulting me won't change my mind. If I'm so horribly wrong then why not try and correct me? You said I could just be 'misguided town' after all ^^ Rayn self-resolves, yes. I never said anything about Slender being 'probably town'. I said Koshi was townie for agreeing with me at EOD because I'm vain. You're implying I defended TT at EOD1 as if I would know he would mod-kill himself, lol. I don't think CopCake is mafia. You mean Mocsta. Not that I'm 100% convinced there by any stretch. I just find his reads to be extremely malleable whenever someone comes up with something 'better' and he looks worse the more he does it. Dude has been emo-ing for 24+ hours now, I'm surprised he just didn't modkill himself earlier. That's why I backed the pressure off him, but whatever. This game is so dumb that I run into people with more mental fortitude playing a toxic ass game like DotA. My head right now is that there is at least one Mafia in this boxerfred nonsense. I'm thinking HF for even initiating it to begin with because the Light of God touched his brain 4 hours before EoD whatever and people followed, which is why I want him dead. If the rest of the shenanigan wagon is pure, that means the team is HF +2. Mocsta has been doing nothing after he tried to catch up to 20 pages, and his reasoning for boxerfred switch was trash. You and Vivax may be the only two that have an actual reason to do so, and I'm not quite entirely convinced you did it 100% just to save Tictock either. That makes Hf/Mocsta/Calix my pool since Vivax is dead. Then we have everyone else. Rayn is town unless someone is going to counterclaim him for whatever reason. Slendy/Me/Copcake/Koshi. Koshi's on vacation or whatever, but mafia!Koshi doesn't play unless he's threatened. He tends to just seep into the background and have people ignore him. I honestly think Cop is town, and I know I'm town because I read my PM and I'm not illiterate That leaves Hf/Mocsta/Calix/Koshi being my pool, and if you flip town whatever. I don't really want to waste my time trying to figure a game out when two people want to be babies and modkill themselves out when the pressure isn't even heavy and three people don't even play the game and forget they're even playing. Waste of my time. | ||
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On June 30 2018 23:23 Mocsta wrote: At least 3 of the 4 voters i bekieve is town I said my reasons. I cant help it yoy are so (personally) against it If I believe your reasons and reconsider my PoE that means my pool is Koshi/Slender/Shockeyy. I’ll lynch Koshi out of those three. | ||
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On June 30 2018 23:28 Mocsta wrote: actually. The only benefit as sfum would be so he can shit on the boxerfred wagon. This ONLY is possible if shockee is town Ironically this is what convo has been doing though I’ve been shitting on the wagon as did town!Regfan because it was bad and I seriously doubt that a pure town wagon believes that lynching an AFK townie is better than clearing up reads from certain people (TT/shockeyy being mafia). Why does this make me scum? | ||
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On July 01 2018 00:11 Calix wrote: Also I think Koshi is making waves. He could have easily lynched me and taken path of least resistance or simply agree with my ShoCkeyy read but he attacks CopCake and Conversion instead. Thoughts? Ironic that you call me out for WIFOM defenses and you use a WIFOM defense for Koshi? | ||
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On July 01 2018 00:35 Calix wrote: Because I am open to changing my mind if you do stuff. You say you want to talk well let’s talk. I can’t do much right now but will try and hear you out. I am also home about 1 hour from EOD I have been talking and you’ve just called me scum and pointed back to your case? A case that rayn and Koshi called out and said wasn’t great. Not just me OMGUSing it back at your face. I need people to figure out if this boxerfred bullshit was pure or not, because if it is you’re basically saying it clears you Mocsta and HF. that means we’re left with a pool of copcake/conversion/koshi/slenderman/shockeyy. I’m town, so that means copcake/koshi/slendy/shockeyy contains the entire mafia team. I just logically do not buy that the entire mafia team consists of people in that list. Which is why I’m saying there is at least one mafia in the boxerfred wagon, and I’m trying to figure out who but the only one who is remotely helping is Mocsta but he’s being flakey so I have no idea | ||
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Also no shit I’m going to play like I’m town, that’s because I am. Never did I mention anything about my vote switch to Shockeyy making myself town? | ||
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Do we have enough traction for a mocsta lynch even? idt rayn even buys HF arguments and town is split rn | ||
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On July 01 2018 06:52 CopCake wrote: Oh please elaborate it because I am only using the one of the mods. I have to wait until I’m home but I don’t recall Calix’s vote actually “saving” TT because tt was at 5? but this might be dumb anyways bc my vote switch might be worthless regardless since neither tt or shockeyy was getting lynched at that point | ||
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I’m asking what you said after the mocsta case | ||
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5-3 ML 4-3 slendy MK 3-3 endgame shot | ||
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On July 01 2018 07:26 Holyflare wrote: conversion you slipping? no | ||
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On July 01 2018 08:22 CopCake wrote: But do you think I care if they win or not? I want it over. I'll just MK myself if you're not. | ||
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On July 01 2018 08:28 Calix wrote: I'm proud of you, Conversion. For once, you acted more sanely than a quarter of the game! <3 I'm about to modkill myself, so hold your horses | ||
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On July 02 2018 07:58 Calix wrote: Hey hey, I am the parity cop who checked Copcake/ Slenderman. There's no way someone who screams their head off about how mafia shockeyy is and how mafia I am makes these checks | ||
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In a word where rayn and Koshi are claiming the same role, in the case you are legit somehow, why the fuck would anyone lynch outside of these two | ||
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On June 29 2018 11:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare, we need to talk today. And a lot. I wont have time tomorrow apart from reading and phoneposting occaionally (company's summer party). I am a medic. I am going to treat you as confirmed town since i am going to now die on N2 and you are going to die on N3 and if that doesn't happen then yeah, what do you know about D4. So yeah, now grow a brain and start doing it quick. This will simply give me the best chance in solving the game since the shit that went on N1 is fucking unreal and i am not going to listen to that crap another day. Tictock is probably just town because of the level of commitment he has, albeit he is doing the exact same thing he did last game where he simply just bases his reads on things that are completely false. Like it is amusing how someone can read the game so badly at times (lol sorry, no offence). I probably made a mistake. I really really reall do not think Shockeyy is mafia, i didn't believe that D1 and especially his N1 looks VERY VERY townie, he utterly demolishes Calix' shit. Night kill is super fucking odd, probably makes Koshi town to be honest. Like Vivax was so very wrong. Myabe you did it, maybe not. Calix could, you're his "ally" i am not. I don't believe Cake ever shoots Vivax here and this is literally a gme where she looks more townie than she ever has. Like i am very conflicted about the rest 2 right now, but calix is always mafia. Feel free to chime in. I am home at 2pm cet. ##vote Calix | ||
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On July 02 2018 21:07 Calix wrote: Your “aggressive” persona isn’t going to convince me of your townieness so you can drop that whenever you want. As for your question, because I have a difference check. Duh. Last game I played there was also a parity cop with difference check and we lynched outside of that. I do not want this happening again. You want to act like a little shit and call me out for modkilling myself and not having mental sanity, and I’m going to treat you with the same level of respect | ||
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On July 02 2018 21:19 Calix wrote: Oh yeah how is that new job going for you anyway? Settled in yet? no. paperwork hasn’t come in and it’s stressing me out | ||
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On July 03 2018 03:02 CopCake wrote: @Rayn @Conversion Probability of being reading w/w interaction? Sorry, what does w/w interaction mean? | ||
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and if we're going to somehow believe Calix makes the worst checks in the world, sure I can discuss who to lynch next. | ||
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or doc rayn and mafia Koshi? but rayn not counterclaiming makes it seem like Koshi isn't lying meh | ||
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so now if I blindly believe in the parity cop Calix even though I don't think town anyone actually makes those checks, I have to filter a player with 3 posts vs Copcake who's been active this entire game fun | ||
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On July 03 2018 04:43 Conversion wrote: ok I have seen the light and rayn/Koshi is most likely not the wagon we hit. so now if I blindly believe in the parity cop Calix even though I don't think town anyone actually makes those checks, I have to filter a player with 3 posts vs Copcake who's been active this entire game fun | ||
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On July 03 2018 06:30 CopCake wrote: wait wait wait Rayn and conversion are agreeing in something Agghdhdhshshhshsbxzjuakdjejwjduebjdnxdkkskskdnxwiksnfjje I tend to agree with rayn quite a bit when he’s not raging at me. He’s a good player | ||
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On July 03 2018 06:38 CopCake wrote: Why are you lynching Calix? Why dont you buy her claim or play with the idea? Is it self preservation? If Calix is mafia, who is the rest of the scum team? I’m thinking. just got off work and I can’t unvote and I have a day to think about who to lynch | ||
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in goood news I finally am almost signed onto my new job ! woohoo | ||
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On July 04 2018 08:43 KelsierSC wrote: I'd like to say a few things about the game. Firstly I want to apologise for the general standard of moderation. It was my first time running a game and to put it mildly things did not go smoothly. My primary aim was to keep people having fun and playing the game, more recently games have been a lot quieter, people are busier in general and I wanted to follow the same concept as Calix so I wouldn't have to modkill anyone (hopefully). However the game didn't play out that way. In hindsight I should have absolutely modkilled TheSlenderMan after D2. The way he played would have been unacceptable in 99% of games on this site. My own inexperience and indecisiveness was at fault here. Not modkilling him definitely angered people and sapped any motivation from the town. Going forward if I host another game I would have stricter activity rules not use the self voting system that I used in this game, it is too easily abused. Thank you all who stayed with the game for not modkilling yourselves and putting in a tremendous amount of effort for the first few days. I hope going forward that you play in my games (and other mafia games on TL) and I will try to do better by you all no hard feelings. game was dead before that happened tbh thanks for hosting | ||
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On July 04 2018 17:55 Calix wrote: I think people should stop taking what people say in games to heart. Mafia’s an emotional game and people are prone to saying stupid things that they don’t ACTUALLY mean when frustrated, angry, etc. Granted I say this because I have a harder time refraining from BM comments when playing mafia but a bit of frustration in a game is to be expected IMO. I don’t think that’s necessarily bad. Part of mafia’s job is to rile up town so their decision making skills are compromised. Also most people seem perfectly fine and pleasant outside of the game. I actually spent a lot of time thinking Conversion was mafia because he was being such a dick so soon after we had cohosted together. And I thought that he was deliberately being inflammatory to push mafia agenda ^^ I would say that if someone repeatedly keeps insulting people, starts attacking their personal characteristics or if someone asks them to stop and they don’t then that’s when it becomes a problem. I don’t think I was particularly being a dick out of turn though? Not excusing myself, but I generally tried to keep the aggressiveness isolated to the game. The one thing I could think of was my comment towards rayn. It’s annoying when people tell you you're being toxic when I was trying my best not to, and Holyflare had to tell Tictock I wasn’t even being toxic this game, and HF definitely knows how shitty I get playing mafia. I definitely still need more work in not being an asshole. and not giving up on the game I suppose | ||
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