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On June 26 2018 08:05 Tictock wrote: Well nothing to do but pretend like I am working and play this instead. What up peeps On June 26 2018 08:09 Tictock wrote: Meh, don't see the point when that is literally everyone but us atm. Actually n/m, pointless voting is pointless. I'll prob find some actual work to do. On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote: On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read. These read so unnatural and unlike tt. Second post has no drive for fun and contradicts himself even. Seems meh enough for me. | ||
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Just looks forced to me. | ||
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On June 26 2018 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually i am more interested in "this is" instead of "this would be", because this clearly isn't unless they are mafia. If they play turbo games then this "slower" game I guess would be "this is". I dunno, the whole post, even if it is pre prepared is pretty much meaningless to me. Way overblown. | ||
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I think it gives way more benefit for mafia to make that post than town because as town you always have that back up of just claiming it and mafia it gives you some kind of leeway to be shit. So I'm just gonna wait and see what they do next because if they're as good as they seem to say we can just rely on them to solve the game | ||
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On June 26 2018 10:29 CopCake wrote: Tbh i was about to say ticktock seemed townie lol same with conversion. I have problems with the big post, from regfan and how people reacted to it. I read it (well skimmed) and I was like “Literally that is fake for the little time”, seemed more of a dumb post/meme thing if everything. Why do you think ticktock sounds townie? | ||
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On June 26 2018 11:34 Mocsta wrote: i dont understand how it leads to anything. If rayn calls you town, as either alignment, you will walk away feeling good about yaself. If rayn calls yo mafia, as either alignment, you will walk away with a sense of OMGUS. Dead question. Having said that, I do share suspicion towards Holyflare. Not enough to lean scum, but enough to pay extra attention to new content. Whether you agreed or not, at least to me, superfically, the Tictock stuff is fine. On the otherhand, whilst the strikethrough is more likely to be mafia than town in origin, its not conclusive and I find to be overly hammed up by HF. My expectation for a town!HF is for him to do his own campaigning. If he does this, even if its against me. I shall call him town. We will have to wait and see. What an utterly redundant post. I still think tt is mafia. I can't explain it to you other than the phrasing he is using seems overly wordy for the little points he is making which I don't usually feel like from tt. | ||
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On June 26 2018 13:03 Regfan wrote: @Copcake - Information about your playstyle just helps me put together a better picture of what sort of player you are, what to expect from you, what I should be worried if I see otherwise, it's profile building so to speak to aid me reading you. I was hoping for more information in terms of who you'd shoot (Largely after the 'why' more than the 'who') but you'd mentioned that it was 'too early to ask' and figured that's fair enough, would wait until later and then re-ask/ask if your mind had changed. Don't have much of a read on HF, dislike his reasoning behind his TT scum read and the over-focus on TT in their following posts but don't think it's an implausible read for a townie to have there, more interested in their thoughts on the game when they re-enter the thread. Heading out for a but, will be without access of a computer for a solid chunk of the next 24 hours but hoping to be able to read bits and pieces on my phone if my girlfriend allows me to. - R What other content was in the thread that I should have followed up on or created in the first hour of the game before bed? Are you saying I shouldn't follow up on someone I think is mafia? | ||
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On June 26 2018 18:06 Holyflare wrote: What an utterly redundant post. I still think tt is mafia. I can't explain it to you other than the phrasing he is using seems overly wordy for the little points he is making which I don't usually feel like from tt. I actually really hate this bolded part. Like enough to drop everything and vote Mocsta. Maybe. | ||
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On June 26 2018 18:15 Holyflare wrote: I actually really hate this bolded part. Like enough to drop everything and vote Mocsta. Maybe. I've read mocsta's latest read post and I will now let him off with a caution. | ||
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On June 26 2018 18:42 Mocsta wrote: then do it. And at least have the courtesy to explain why it is so scum indicative I'm town and it's pandering to my alignment. If I was mafia I could just do the same crusading as you're expecting and get off free but you give me an out for no reason. This is something I'd expect someone to keep to themselves. You're on a caution now though so it's not enough to vote you since your reads arw starting to align with mine. Fwiw I like regfan | ||
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On June 26 2018 19:08 CopCake wrote: HF’s case on ticktock was super bad “He stroke some phrase” He also never answered me, when I asked to explain me his case, probably one of the stupid questions I made m I mean I have explained it quite a lot but when you or I or any normal person writes a post, even if it is a train of thought, we would usually just ramble and delete what isn't necessary from the post. I find it very over the top to not only leave it in your post but to cross it out as well. It just looks like someone trying to force themselves to appear "natural" but overthinking it entirely. | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:19 Mocsta wrote: hf Reading this agaib.. i can sorta see tixtock writing the strike as a joke. Realising its stupid so writes the next part but decides to strike as he personally thinks ita funny But it's not funny and that's my point. If it's a joke it's trying too hard to blend in. If it's real it's unnatural. Just feels wrong no matter what to me. | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:38 Calix wrote: Do you have any other reads? You're bringing up TT a lot to try and explain what's essentially a tone read but without really pushing it, adding new reasons, looking at the bigger picture, etc, so I am curious. I think you're scummy and Vivax too since he created more discussion about the "pointless post" and made absolutely no conclusions on it. Regfan towny, mocsta looks not bad like last game, rayn also not bad. Cop I will never read anything other than confusing. Conversion is meh but I don't hate what he's said. No idea who else is in the game really so my reads are super weak. | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:46 Holyflare wrote: I think you're scummy and Vivax too since he created more discussion about the "pointless post" and made absolutely no conclusions on it. Regfan towny, mocsta looks not bad like last game, rayn also not bad. Cop I will never read anything other than confusing. Conversion is meh but I don't hate what he's said. No idea who else is in the game really so my reads are super weak. Also what new information on tt should I have when he's posted nothing new? | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:49 Calix wrote: Why am I scummy exactly? I agree Vivax's post is bad. And how so re: Conversion? I think your original push on cop wasn't great and was pushed on really mediocre points too hard. I don't like how you kept it up while rayn was disproving it either. It feels like you're grumpy that you shouldn't be pushing copcake anymore rather than pleased it gets rid of a confusing person. You're more concerned with how you look than figuring out. | ||
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On June 26 2018 23:29 Vivax wrote: How is his post redundant? Seems more like you see the words scum and HF too close by each other but say it's redundant to cover up that that's the real reason. Are you actually just mafia then? This is a really weird post to pick out because not only does it make perfect sense why it's redundant but I've further explained why and also simultaneously stopped pushing mocsta for it. It's redundant because for hypothetical sake say I'm town and mocsta is mafia and knows I'm town. His whole post is phrased as suspicion towards me but then gives me perfect information of how and what would change his mind. Why bother posting that if he's town and is suspicious of me? I either do it or don't and then you make a decision. This would just give me free info to be town read as mafia. Not very thought out and isn't something i think I'd personally post. ##vote vivax | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:41 Vivax wrote: ie thinking about perception of own alignment ##vote Copcake Of all the posts cake has made I think this is even one of her more towny ones. How does mafia say they think they should be town read by someone? Odd filter vivax. Don't like. | ||
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On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote: Following a re-read: (1) I was perhaps a touch OMGUS towards Regfan. I dont think this is the best place for a vote so ##Unvote (2) i don't have a strong opinion on game state. If anything, the activity and content has been really good. - Things like HF read fine to me. - Rayn play so far, is highly reminiscent of the game just finished. If i had to call one player town, it would be Rayn. (3) Things I am uncertain of with low care factor - Conversion: purely a heuristic where after such a long self-ban. I thought he would be itching to do more than just throw some randoms hit around. - Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not. (4) Things I am uncertain of with moderate care factor (Calix + CopCake). - Calix: for the reasons already expressed in the thread. Which will be easy to prove/disprove once active. - CopCake: has some early exchanges that on a second read I took as pocketing. I need to think about this more, but is just giving me some vibes of things that I personally try to do when mafia. (5) I still think Regfan are focused heavily on things that I don't think are important to scum hunting; and definitely are giving a different weighting to things early game than myself. But this doesn't make them mafia. I am struggling with reading the hydra pairing somewhat as I find them DRASTICALLY different. Even if they were mafia, I would rather lynch them as the second or third because of that uncertainty. I was ready to scum read mocsta for his "redundant post" and because he scum read regfan who looked quite not scummy but then he made this post. I think the regfan reevaluation is really towny since nobody was countering his arguments and there's no need to posture that regfan could be town if mocsta was mafia. I also didn't have a strong lean on anyone else really and most of what he says here echos what I just said a few posts ago. Just the points he says to look into slowly started going from opposite of what I was thinking to converging to my skim through. | ||
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On June 26 2018 23:48 CopCake wrote: I dont think I have been confusing at all this game so quit that bullshit to have a null read on me HF. If I was so confusing people like TT or Mocca wouldnt have followed my process of thinking. I dont know if there is a seer or not, I read the rules and it said there is like a cop and a roleblocker as much depending of the set up. But Alas, I took regfan’s silly post as that, silly because I dont think someone “smart” would do that and expect to be taken seriously, it was obvious a meme post lr some shit. (Which was already verified that is a copy pasta by regfan) Either way, I think that is easy to deduce and no one should have felt offended like rayn and I think HF did. Regfan’s first post is NOT town or mafia indicative. Now I am gonna post for ##Calix Reasons later but the principal is how calix came out of nowhere to build a case. What was the post that made you think I was mafia and made you take the effort to filter me Calix? 🤭 I think you are a confusing person to read. That's just my opinion. Sorry if there's people that disagree with it but I'm just not gonna make a read on you and defer it to other people. | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: ugggghhhhhhhhhhh........ this is annoying. this is probably the only post i can see mocsta making as mafia. Why is it annoying rather than him just being town? | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:18 Calix wrote: No. I didn't hate some of CopCake's later posts and her tone's gotten better. Which ones specifically? | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is not about Mocsta, it's because i was starting to think you are town and now i don't know. Where ever does Holyflare completely discard a post where a person says "i am gonna lay off from my scumread" and then end the post with "this is still basically my top scumread"? I mean, he doesn't. He just acknowledges that his initial points were shit and then makes the point you've been repeating that the hydra heads don't align in their thoughts. So why don't you like it? | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:22 Vivax wrote: I remember vividly HF complaining in a chat we had that the new player batch tended to say "x is scummy y is townie" without explaining why. Yet now he does it himself and everyone around him as well. I explain pretty much every reason for a post being scummy or townie, as simple as the reasons may be. Basically none of you seem to give a shit about the though process behind my posts. You just call them scummy or townie as it suits your needs. Where have I not explained my reads? | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:31 Vivax wrote: You vote me after I criticize your post so there is no apparent reason for you to SR me except ditto? I thought it was seld evident from what I wrote. Your entry into the thread has been mediocre, you have like 4 posts and one of them is picking out copcake and specifically a post I thought was one of the townier ones she has made. You then criticise a post I made but seemingly for no reason since you haven't attached a read to it nor have given a read on me at any point (maybe even town read on me by virtue of what you just wrote on mocsta). It's worse because the specific point you raised about my post is: Already fully explained why it is redundant Already moot by virtue of my follow up points A self evident post on why it is redundant Pretty much, I do not like the posts you've chosen to comment on nor do I like the conclusions you are drawing. Feel free to change my mind though. | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I like it? Why don't you? Why do you like him saying he isn't sure but still hasn't got anything better to offer? Once again, this isn't about Mocsta for me. You call him mafia every game regardless of his affiliation for the stuff he says that is irrational or "irrational". Why are you so agreeable now? I've never said I didn't like it? What are you talking about? I like him saying he isn't sure but has nothing better to offer because it mimics what I've been thinking. There's a lot of posts but there was nothing standing out at the time as overtly scummy. Lots of things to comment on but nothing to go ahead with. | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait HF can you be more specific how you perceive that specific post of Mocsta's How can I be more specific??? Mocsta looked scummy because he gave me a get out of jail free card and scum read regfan (who I thought looked not bad). I start to write a post while catching up about mocsta being mafia but I look at the next few posts and he had reevaluated that read and given a list post. I read the list post and his reevaluation on regfan was good because : Nobody was saying anything against mocsta scum reading reg He acknowledges his points weren't the best Then he makes a good commentary on what I pretty much think about the rest of the players in the game. Thus I let mocsta off and wanted to see more from him before starting a shit fight and calling him mafia all over again. I'd say light town read at a stretch. | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem is he "acknowledges his points are bad " but then calls Regfan "most likely mafia" once again for the same points. I'm not gonna pretend like I remember what mocsta's original points were because I don't really. Have I been bamboozled? | ||
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On June 27 2018 02:07 Conversion wrote: I don't think either Vivax or Calix is mafia for all that's worth at this very exact moment in the game. Or if they was one, it'd be a 1/1 split. No way mafiateam Vivax and Calix randomly jump on Copcake like that.. no reward medium risk play. Rereading rayn/reg makes me solidified in not wanting to lynch them today. Rayn is probably town, reg I get a weird feeling from filter.. like they post a lot and bring a good logical standpoint on things but can't remember anything memorable coming from it? Hence why I wanted some other inputs, but doubt regfan should ever be lynched today, I suppose. Gun to my head, my lynch pool would be HF > Shock > Koshi, but things will change.. will dive Tictock some time later since lunch break is over This lynch me thing is actually serious? | ||
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On June 27 2018 02:08 Conversion wrote: also I don't like Tictock's continuous mention of how he is unlynchable this game. rubs me the wrong way Wait so the guy I wanted to lynch rubs you the wrong way too lol?? Why do you even scum read me? | ||
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On June 27 2018 03:23 Tictock wrote: Expand on this plz. Most of his posts are arbitrarily saying to lynch you. Perhaps it's the posts that don't say that that I like? | ||
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On June 27 2018 06:40 ShoCkeyy wrote: meta doesn't exist in mafia forums imo, ive seen holyflare play some wild games, and have been on teams with him where he single handily fooled the entire town into lynching themselves for the win non stop. meta is a ridiculous excuse to label some one town. Bit of an exceptional case imo. | ||
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On June 27 2018 19:49 Regfan wrote: -> Went over HFs ISO a few times in the last hour, actually have a very strong town read on the dude, I disagree/dislike his reasoning for scum reading TT initially (I've made and crossed out posts before as town so I don't think it's ever really a scum tell) but I can see it as something he'd easily believe to be the case in the early game. The read progressing to it being a meta sort of problem with TT is something I can also sort of buy, regardless of the accuracy of it or not I think comments like his #397 are the sort of ones that scum normally refrain from making since it tends to actually cause enemies/lead towards an OMGUS from the person they're accusing. Probably won't explain this well but I don't think HF/TT are scum together here (Isn't entirely impossible like some of the other not W/W pairings I have but I think it's only the case a very very small % of the time) and I think Scum!HF saying this towards Town!TT is something he'd feel very awkward from actually doing, particularly given he's not even really voting or pushing TT. I disagree with his analysis on Moscsta re; Mosctas "If HF does this he's town" comment but I can very much follow his thought process there and think his own turn around on Moscta in #286 and #324 read very town. I find his reads/thoughts/analysis very easy to follow and understand in posts like #255 and #261 and pretty much all up can see him actually trying to work towards gamesolving inside his posts, his pushes, votes and reads all ring very genuine. Would consider him my second strongest town read after Moscta at the moment. - R None of these posts are townie :D | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:07 Vivax wrote: After reading a bit of TT I will have to agree that there is a scummy stink to his posts. I think he jumps on things purely for looking blatantly inconstructive which is easy bait for mafia. And I'd want to get this unlynchable business out sooner rather than later as that's the only reason I didn't take a bit of a look at him until now. Wow | ||
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On June 27 2018 23:44 Vivax wrote: I didn't call regfan mafia for pretty much the same reasons you didn't Koshi. At the same time it isn't a tsunami of words a la noobking. Don't think Calix is mafia here but I will always lynch that if the majority thinks that so no point thinking too much about he alignment. HF is purely a wild guess. I think shockey is onto something with TT tho, nothing to do with his unlynchable shit for me though. Shockey is onto something? I've posted about tt incessantly and all he does is return and say the most boring things known to man. There's no drive for him to do anything and it doesn't look like he's solving the game at all. | ||
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On June 28 2018 00:38 Regfan wrote: Alright, well, I'm pretty sure voting Vivax is the only way to keep Calix alive, so, moving there I guess. Kind of hate how everyone has been tunneled on Calix and not done any real evaluation of other lynches. -G So what's wrong with the evaluation of the vivax lynch that you complain about it while joining it? | ||
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Just putting that out there for future shenanigans. | ||
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On June 28 2018 00:54 Regfan wrote: Koshi moved there. I was very comfortable lynching Vivax until then. -G I wouldn't say what koshi has posted is outside of his range as town. Take that however you want though. | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:33 Holyflare wrote: Why have you got to downgrade rayn to a town null when I scum read you tt? That's exactly my mental read on rayn after that post. Not because the content is bad. In fact it's all logically correct. It's just the tone feels off to me. | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:05 Regfan wrote: Discord. And no, I really can't be bothered. I'm too tired and worn out by this shitty game. You can read our filter if you want to know what our reads are, our chats are just those in short form. If you can't already tell that we're town then getting a paraphrase of our talks together isn't going to help you. -G I also don't like this. It would quite succinctly tie up your alignment for me if you could do it. It really shouldn't be hard either because you just have a history log on discord right? Why is the game shitty when you seem to have narrowed a quite substantial town list down? | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:36 Tictock wrote: Ugh why are you such background noise, you are just tagging on vague thoughts and opinions here and there. Maybe Vivax is actually the town hero here for suggesting a HF/Rayn team. I know your play has been lessened as of late but I know HF can do better than this given time constraints. I'm on holiday so that's that. Deal with it. | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shockeyy dumbtold him as town. Holyflare, regfan is not mafia i can say it wirh 100% confidence. Shockey did not dumb tell himself town. He's said it was a "trap" to bait mafia. | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:54 Calix wrote: I'm not a god-tier mafia player though, lol. I don't know how TT has that impression of me. I don't want to lynch TT and don't like how that might become an alternative to myself + Show Spoiler + (this is based on my impressions of the thread: I actually have no idea who is the lynch right now) If one of the people scum-reading him wants to explain why he's mafia or make an actual case instead of unremarkable one-liners then I'll try hearing you out. But right now, no way. I could lynch you for this post to be honest. Not only do you exclaim to not even know who is up for lynch (it's TT and yourself) but then you full on defend TT for absolutely no reason when you don't even know if he has votes or the reason for lynching him. You then provide no alternative. | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:58 Regfan wrote: Because it's fucking toxic, rayn made Regfan hate the game when he's trying to get back into mafia and find time to enjoy it again, I love Regfan and you have no idea how much that horseshit fucking pisses me off it's actually unbelievable how insensitive rayn and his girlfriend have been towards Reg. Not to mention half the players have just been insulting us for our playstyle. So yeah it's a shitty game. I don't really understand what rayn did to annoy him at all to be honest. Your playstyle is good but it's just the fact you're a hydra that people are "annoyed" about (I'm pretty sure only mocsta or rayn have even commented on this) since you're not playing like a hydra, you are just two players posting from one account. There have been toxic moments, yeah, and I apologise on behalf of the rest of us but please try to indulge the non toxic people and do what I ask since then you're pretty much confirmed in that case. If you don't then I'm forced to believe this is all an emotional act just to get me to not mafia read you because all your discord chat is just fabricated. | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:58 Conversion wrote: Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together, and pins that as why I pushed you for the greater half of day1, which is just a flat out lie. I don’t see the reason for town anyone to misrepresent something I clarified about and then disseminate false information. It wasn’t even a mistake of misreading my filter, it was pulled out of thin air. Thanks. I accept this. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:07 Regfan wrote: If quoting timestamps weren't illegal, then I would be more than happy to just c/p for you. We have been playing like hydra and I don't get your insistence that we haven't. We disagree on ONE read, which is TT. What are you even talking about? Literally all of the reads I've talked about over the past few hours have either been things that we've talked about together, or things that Reg has given me charge over or asked me to talk about. -G It's illegal to copy and paste but a general time and paraphrase is fine. | ||
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I actually have to second this post because I just read through cop's filter to make sure and she has done absolutely nothing to regfan so the appeal to emotion meter is ever increasing. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:14 Holyflare wrote: I actually have to second this post because I just read through cop's filter to make sure and she has done absolutely nothing to regfan so the appeal to emotion meter is ever increasing. This will not matter though when we get the paraphrased discord logs with rough timescales though so it's all fine. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:18 Calix wrote: I really don't think responding to these emotional posts by calling people scummy for them does anything but make that person more annoyed. So let's not do that! Perhaps we should just...move on? Ignore it? Decide on who a good lynch is? Because THIS IS A REALLY BAD TIME TO BE TALKING ABOUT FEE-FEES. Is there a good reason I've missed for Vivax being town, for example? I know TT thinks he's town for 'posting in bursts which mafia!Vivax struggles with' but I'm not so sure there. I'm a bit skeptical myself because Vivax's posts on Mocsta didn't actually suck. I'd also switch to ShoCkeyy. Nobody's given a good reason for town-reading him and his 'dumb tell' does not mean anything IMO. I think his weirdly confident stance on TT/ Calix with little evidence, combined with his generally mediocre filter, makes him a way better lynch than TT or myself. No, we should not leave it alone. We should be talking about how Gemma can easily provide a paraphrased log of discord any time now and give us a general time frame for each paraphrased topic. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare, the hydra is not mafia. Calix is though. Make your pick. I would rather they confirm that themselves thanks. Calix could definitely be mafia for the tt post though too. | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:59 Holyflare wrote: I could lynch you for this post to be honest. Not only do you exclaim to not even know who is up for lynch (it's TT and yourself) but then you full on defend TT for absolutely no reason when you don't even know if he has votes or the reason for lynching him. You then provide no alternative. I actually hate this even more because until I changed my vote I think vivax was actually in the lead in votes. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:27 Calix wrote: Oh really? I've just followed my TT post up with two lynch alternatives plus discussion that's moving AWAY from this emotion stuff. Which you are completely ignoring to call me mafia for a post that is not mafia at all. Your tt is town spiel is absolutely redundant because your follow up lynch is vivax who was up for lynch at the time you made the tt post. So you pretty much hard defended tt against no impending threat instead of just seeing your biggest scum read was actually the lynch and trying to get more people to vote for him. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:31 Calix wrote: Have you SEEN the vote thread? There's about 36396705 votes after the last vote count. Sorry I didn't take the time to meticulously plot out who's voting where and how many votes XYZ has but it doesn't make me scum. It's not even remotely close to a reason to call me scum. They're all on vivax and Shockey and you. Your two biggest scum reads and yourself. So why even make the tt post in the first place? What did you see that warranted you to go out of your way to say we should save him? | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:34 Calix wrote: If there's only one vote between a TT and Vivax lynch like you say there is (I wouldn't know) then how is that 'no impending threat' exactly when thread sentiment is against TT still? And you're basically arguing that I went in, KNOWING who was the lynch...and then pretended I didn't? For no reason? Knowing that someone could call me out? Have you considered that maybe I just DIDN'T know and it wasn't part of a master plan? And I am trying to get people to focus on my other scum-reads so saying I haven't provided an alternative is objectively false. This push is really weak, HF ngl. When did I ever say there was one vote difference? Wtf? | ||
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You didn't count on expert scum hunter hf finding you and picking that post apart though. | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:21 Tictock wrote: I'm not sure what you mean to gain from this. We've got tons of content from both of them, and well as some synergized list stuff. This feels like a question to ask just kus you think it sounds good. I literally do not care what you think I can't gain from this. If they post it what harm is there in it to confirm themselves? I think their posts don't necessarily make them town and in fact I have several qualms about their content so what's the problem with them easing my mind about their alignment? | ||
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You. I don't believe you think shockeyy has dumb telled himself over the kp thing when even he himself said it was a trap. Did you hear what he gained from the trap? I haven't. Even though many people responded. | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:23 Holyflare wrote: I literally do not care what you think I can't gain from this. If they post it what harm is there in it to confirm themselves? I think their posts don't necessarily make them town and in fact I have several qualms about their content so what's the problem with them easing my mind about their alignment? Not only do I gain information of what they have talked about in depth (because their catch up read meld was not enough imo) but I get to see if their in depth chats actually align with the timing of their posts and what content they have produced. If they produced it immediately then I'd have absolutely no problem calling them town. They decided to leave the thread instead though so I'm going to have to wait. Calling out a hydra is just like in a PM game where you call out fake QTs between mafia. Easy information at no cost to yourself. | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:30 ShoCkeyy wrote: I did respond, conversion ruined it for me instantly. It was an obvious attempt, and rayn and conversion saw it based on my last game with them as town What did you expect mafia to reply with? | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:46 Tictock wrote: ? Why does the timing matter, I said in that post I was moving my vote to you. I'm going to stop responding to posts after this kus people keep asking stuff I've already stated, so clearly what I'm writing is not being read. You've basically just given a couple reasons to scum read me, talked about me and Calix being scum together, and not discussed anything else. Your reasons for scum reading me are pretty flimsy in my mind yet you are just content in repeating them and not doing anything else. I am also thinking HF and Rayn could be scum atm too kus they just have these extremely narrow views with no signs of reevaluating anything. Also I find it odd they have been so passive towards each other. One of the worst points I've seen in this thread and that's saying something. I think I've reevaluated literally every person in this thread by now. | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:19 Calix wrote: With all due respect, your royal highness, this defense is weak as fuck and doesn't really disprove what TT said. In no world does a one-liner with no reasoning count as a credible level of focus on a player. No, it doesn't count as a credible level but then look at the rest of my game. Mocsta, reevaluate. Tt even says I'm town because of this. Regfan, think is town but now I have my doubts and want more info. Vivax is mafia but now isn't and I even voted with him. Calix was mafia and then I decide she isn't because I liked the tone on one of her posts. Tt is mafia but then he says something about rayn and I give him the benefit of the doubt. Rayn is town but i have little doubts and will keep looking at him. Which part of my filter is narrow focused bs and has no reevaluation? | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: holyflare. i am like 80% sure calix is mafia. how sure you are in that tt is mafia? I still don't think she's mafia rayn. Dunno what to say. I'm not sure on tt either but his posts are outrageously wrong and I don't know what that makes him. I also have absolutely no idea who he scum reads because all he does is comment on posts that are days old and say random things. I'd give him about a 65% chance to maybe 70 that he's mafia. | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:28 Calix wrote: It's true you've changed your opinion on people on several occasions, yes. To move onto a more general question: Do you have any scum reads at all? I'm not sure if that was intended as a pseudo-reads post or saying where your head's at. But if it was then saying "I have doubts" doesn't count as a scum read IMO. So why does ticktock say the complete opposite then? No, it's not a read post. I haven't had time to form concrete thoughts yet. I'm on way home now so no more afk me. | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:48 Vivax wrote: Copcop feels slightly townie after reread if I add a spanish accent to her wording so I guess the guys who are scum besides schockey are mocmoc and raynrayn. I'm sort of feeling good about HF as I don't believe he's just going to stay on boxer. I can't get rid of the feeling he's just sort of derping around tho. That's the impression I get from him too. | ||
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On June 28 2018 06:18 Conversion wrote: Also HF if you're serious about lynching a completely random inactive AFKer, which I am 99% sure you are not, I will vote to lynch you with fire. I'm serious baby. Let's do this. | ||
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On June 28 2018 06:47 ShoCkeyy wrote: If you look at Calix filter, it says my name in about 90% of the post, and "lynch" along with it, this person is more scummy than scum. Ever since I called them out, it's been like this, I don't think a normal town would do that. HF how would you feel if I parked my vote on Cilax since they're being overly aggressive at this point? I'd think you'd probably be mafia. Don't get any of the scum reads against calix tbh. | ||
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Who am I trolling? I don't think any of the current wagons are mafia. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:05 Holyflare wrote: Who am I trolling? I don't think any of the current wagons are mafia. Maybe one. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:06 Calix wrote: So what is stopping you from voting for the 'maybe one' then? I am voting on that wagon. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:10 Tictock wrote: HF you have played with me a bunch of times yet act like you have no idea how I play. I get that it's not a method you like or that makes me especially readable, but it is how I like to approach the game. In your own words, Deal with it. Luckily for you, you wont have to for very long. I normally have absolutely no problem reading you. Or at least being sure one way or the other even if I'm wrong. This game you feel extremely off. It's statements like you made against me not reevaluating that make you look bad because that is a a completely untrue statement and you have absolutely no care in the world to follow up that statement. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:17 Mocsta wrote: no. why would i know this is where i was @ last night So why you voting him fam? | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:23 Holyflare wrote: Bf is freeeeee | ||
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No replacements. If you can't be bothered to log onto TL and post once within 48 hours then don't sign up. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:32 Calix wrote: You don't actually know that since you're not the one hosting, lol. How do you know I don't know? Why do you think I'm voting bf? | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:37 Tubesock wrote: Day 1 Vote Count Tictock[4]: ShoCkeyy[2]: Calix[1]: boxerfred[2]:boxerfred, Holyflare Holyflare[0]: Regfan[0]: Koshi[1]: TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan CopCake[0]: Vivax[1]: raynpelikoneet [1]:Tictock Tictock is currently the lynch. The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in . PM us if you see a mistake. Koshi is voting twice and there's no vivax. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:42 Calix wrote: It's pretty frustrating to yell at the thread for most of the day only for TT to get lynched anyway -_- If he doesn't vote to save himself why do you give a shit? It's town's best interest to survive if you're town so don't feel bad if he doesn't even vote shockeyy or bf. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:43 Regfan wrote: Just woke up, more than 20 pages behind and need to be getting ready for work but know deadline is very very soon. Votecount has changed drastically since when I went to bed. Can someone make a two line post on why it's mostly moved away from Vivax etc and who I should vote/why please. - R Everyone is town, vote boxerfred. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:47 Conversion wrote: I am back. I didn't read shit, but TT isn't even voting to save himself? Lol. We should lynch Holyflare for randomly switching to boxerfred You say random, I say we're lynching mafia. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:49 Mocsta wrote: Just so you know... if BoxerFred is scum, you dont get town points like, a scum could easily try to ride cred for an afk scum lynch lol! I don't care about town points. That's so 2018. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:49 CopCake wrote: Literally considering to vote you after this You read a shit ton of posts on 5 minutes and all your mafia reads are town now? I also thought this. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:50 Regfan wrote: Going to try and read Shockey now, in a weird spot where I don't think Shocky/Vivax are partners and have a ~decent~ strength scum read on Vivax here so blah, especially since I've got a message from Gemma saying if I wake up and there's a chance to lynch TT I should since she thinks he's mafia. God fucking damn it. Also never worth lynching BF & TSM here, if they're town, we learn nothing, if they're scum, we still learn almost nothing given there'll be no interaction analysis to do. Leave them to the mod, deal with them tomorrow if they're not modkilled. - R Paraphrase your discord chat and general timestamps and vote bf. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:51 Conversion wrote: I think we have a good shot of lynching HF. Me+ Vivax + Calix, TT if he joins in. Choo choo? And why am I mafia exactly? | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:52 Mocsta wrote: really? surprised from you theres not that much to filter dive? and its been much more than 5 minutes I am really surprised HF you share this opinion. I don't think the time that elapsed was sufficient for you to filter dive that amount of stuff. Looks weird. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:52 Regfan wrote: Anyone up for a CFD on Vivax here? - R No. Boxerfred. It's objectively the best vote for you because people have stances on bf, it's the ultimate no timr to catch up kill, he's mafia, if there are modkills and he's town we don't lose multiple town people. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:53 Conversion wrote: Because you randomly try to divert a lynch onto an AFKer who is irrelevant? also if this is a no modkill game I'm just AFKing until end game And why does that make me mafia if I could quite easily lynch someone that's talking? | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:56 Mocsta wrote: Do you recall my play as deep and analytical.. I am a reaction player, always have been. why woudl you even try to uphold me to standards of those players.. like, this is beyond stupid HF. That's a shame then? | ||
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Top tier town. Welcome to the club. | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:17 Regfan wrote: Dumbest fucking lynch I've ever seen and completely done with this game, particularly since a bunch of people on it are my stronger town reads and one being someone I devoted a fair bit of time actually trying to save. Maybe Gemma will feel otherwise and keep playing or ideally we just die tonight but consider me done. -R Glad you could be around to influence the lynch, friend. | ||
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With me thinking the thread is such a shit show and a lot of townies up for lynch then instead of waiting two cycles and getting two potential modkills that could heavily swing this game badly we elminated a question mark that could have quite easily been mafia. We saved a guy that couldn't be bothered to save himself by voting confirmed town bf and is more than likely town because of it. Calix also voted to save tt and is extremely likely town. That means we have a shit tonne of info that almost all wagons yesterday were town. Mafia love these situations and are happy flitting between lynches and not making much sense. Rayn/cop/shockeyy (yeah if you wanted him lynched then you should have done more. Tough shit.) all look bad doing that. I'd probably add conversion here but that depends on shockey flip and conversion kind of looks ok too. I'm happy with vivax and even koshi. | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:32 CopCake wrote: I have explained he gave a 180 change of heart out of nowhere for calix when he was suspecting her HARD. You do NOT do that out of nowhere. This does not answer my question. Why does he let himself almost die as mafia? Why does he not vote to save himself? | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:38 Regfan wrote: HF, Cake, Rayn, Moscta and Calix are still all town, if you fuckwits can learn to come and work together this games still winnable. Hunt inside Vivax, Shockey, TT, GSM, Conversion and Koshi. TT did vote to save himself and at :59, timing that makes more sense for mafia to do it where there's minimal time for people to react to the vote and 5he way the EOD played out there's some worlds that he fits inside of as mafia, Vivax-TT is 100% a world people need to entertain and look inside of tomorrow. There's probably only ever 1 in Shockey/Vivax which is why Shockeys flip would have helped immensely but if you hit scum in these two would suggest moving the other to the side for a bit. Vivax / TT + 1 of Koshi/TSM sort of fits a few things. Okay you've got my thoughts albeit I've missed a lot of content from pages 30 to 50, now can feel better about leaving and never coming back to this game again. Oh and everyone that actually voted Boxer can go fuck themselves. Outtahere -R What a poor world you live in where something doesn't go your way and you just criticise instead of adapting and overcoming. I had high hopes for you but you might just be mafia instead. | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:41 CopCake wrote: This guy here is town for noticing TT saving himself Where is your god now HF? He voted to save himself at the last possible second when it might not have even been possible to save himself in a bid to get us to lynch the person that gave us information rather than just jumping on the confirmed town bf wagon. He didn't even know if it would save him. | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:38 Regfan wrote: HF, Cake, Rayn, Moscta and Calix are still all town, if you fuckwits can learn to come and work together this games still winnable. Hunt inside Vivax, Shockey, TT, GSM, Conversion and Koshi. TT did vote to save himself and at :59, timing that makes more sense for mafia to do it where there's minimal time for people to react to the vote and 5he way the EOD played out there's some worlds that he fits inside of as mafia, Vivax-TT is 100% a world people need to entertain and look inside of tomorrow. There's probably only ever 1 in Shockey/Vivax which is why Shockeys flip would have helped immensely but if you hit scum in these two would suggest moving the other to the side for a bit. Vivax / TT + 1 of Koshi/TSM sort of fits a few things. Okay you've got my thoughts albeit I've missed a lot of content from pages 30 to 50, now can feel better about leaving and never coming back to this game again. Oh and everyone that actually voted Boxer can go fuck themselves. Outtahere -R I just want to highlight how bizarre (read: scummy) this post is by the way. As far as I know the non-Gemma guy town read ticktock before he left the thread and all that he has to go off of is Gemma leaving a cryptic message about lynching ticktock. He also had shockeyy as his most scummy person in a list with vivax. "We should be hunting inside shockeyy, vivax, tt, slender and koshi" but koshi voted shockeyy, vivax (ok he switched but only to save tt) and tt also voted shockey and conversion also voted shockeyy instead of the town bf lynch. Notice how shockeyy just disappears from this list when he talks about who could actually be mafia though. For a guy that seems to pride himself on making pairings and who can't be mafia together why does shockey EVER appear in this list to begin with? | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:56 Conversion wrote: shoot me if you have to. somehow people have become more of a drama queen than I have and that's just boring. I'm just going to go play some shit game like DotA if I want to be surrounded by people giving up 10% of the way in the game I think you're legit. | ||
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On June 28 2018 09:11 CopCake wrote: I want to point out something, and I hope someone smart, educated and with patience will read. - I got told that TT was extremely frustrated and that is why he called me sheep sheep rayn hubby, that he was trying to do everything to save himself. - Then he is all “I am sorry cake I will peace out I am sorry - Calix did everything to save him, HF was like if TT dies he deserves it because he is not switching votes - Then BF is rip, get told that TT is town for not voting himself by HF - Regfan then comes and says that TT voted for someone else to vote himself, which the whole case of HF doesnt work anymore - HF calls regfan mafia for this and says TT would not know if he saved himself. He voted at the last minute, 59 seconds before end of the day, a whole minute, please he was lurking forever doing nothing Rip in peppers but no one will listen to me if anyone find tjis super odd If you town read shockey, which you do, then why would they need to switch off shockey to save tt when shockey was always the lynch and if they were mafia partners tt can just come back and vote shockey??? | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:50 Regfan wrote: I'm going to bed. Regfan will hopefully be up before deadline to check in quickly and move our vote if it needs moving. Please don't lynch Calix. Just quickly, the main thing I mentioned to Regfan re: TT when he asked me to sell him on that scumread was the way that his scumreads progressed, his worlds started to become noticeably incongruent around the time he started backing off Calix. I also don't really like the way he's been catching up recently, making more personal type appeal posts to people that don't actually have anything to do with his reads or solving the game. He's probably my strongest scumread even if I don't want to lynch him today (for reasons I already went over). Would really like to see more from him and be able to interact with him real-time some to solidify my read there. We both think the way Vivax treated TT in #539 was slimy, he's the kind of player that I know I will be able to get a solid read on at some point in the game based on some reaction from him or something impulsive he does in the moment somewhere, and there are certain things from him tonally that make me shy away from super scumreading him, but he hasn't done anything to make me really want to pull him out of the lynch pool today. I only weakly scumread him and feel meh about lynching him but he's not a bad lynch. Shock's thread entrance was really icky and I dislike the things that he has been focusing on. I don't think his meta self-defense means anything for his alignment and I don't really like the way he's been making big-ish posts at the end of the dayphase here but not really interacting with anyone about reads or show me that he's actively solving the game in a meaningful way. Feel mildly annoyed that people don't want to lynch him but I don't feel strongly enough about killing him to force the issue. Koshi just hasn't done anything except sheep rayn and when I think there's a pretty high chance of at least 1 mafia in the inactives I can find exactly 0 reasons not to lynch him other than how little information it will give us. Lynch preference is Shock>Koshi>Vivax, would vote in Conversion/TT to secure a lynch that isn't Calix. -G I know this is a post from Gemma but notice how it says here "we both think". This clearly means they talked or "talked" about vivax's treatment of ticktock and found it slimy. Reg hadn't been to the thread for ages so this should be about the last thing he remembers them talking about but it is never a factor. | ||
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On June 28 2018 09:16 CopCake wrote: Nah, I am gonna ask to get mod killed or replaced. I think I am on my right since I got insulted several times during this game and I took everything cold hearted but this is just enough. Not smart talk, just a bunch of hyenas screaming with no content. ?? I just posted a shit tonne of content about this and didn't scream about anything The only one remotely doing anything hyena-y is calix and she's your mafia read and it would be her job to tilt you | ||
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On June 28 2018 09:22 Tictock wrote: I'm going to note that Conversion's swap only occurred when Boxer was already the lynch, and his swap made no difference. Had he switched his vote off me sooner Shokey would have very likely been the lynch. This suggests a high likelyhood of them being on a team imo. Worth noting that this was Conversion's most relevant post regarding Shokey prior to this. Which is kinda just a convoluted null read via meta... or a meta read with no conclusion which is kinda worse. Don't really agree with this. He voted after you and I even thought shockeyy was the lynch and he made a post after I accused him of saving bf basically saying fight me. Looks fine imo. | ||
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On June 28 2018 09:34 Tictock wrote: If you guys had been discussing Shokey a lot earlier when I was on him that could have been avoided, but I had to work and couldn't be around all of EoD. I moved my vote when it actually seemed like it mattered and when I was able to. There was a good long time he was discussed when you were around. You also posted in the vote thread specifically that you were not voting shockeyy.... | ||
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On June 28 2018 09:37 Tictock wrote: You can read them without this crap, this is the same as pestering a smurf until they tell you who they are. I get that the info feels like it could be helpful to you, but acting like it is vital is stupid. Am I not posting any other content towards them or what? I'm pretty sure I can post multiple things about people. | ||
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On June 28 2018 09:46 Tictock wrote: I am always willing to go down voting a wagon I believe in than save my own skin. Why should I want to keep playing in a game where people are just gunna shit on whatever you do anyways? I get lynched, "Oh he played so bad it was his own fault" I stay alive "Oh he barely tried to save himself, if he had we coulda actually lynched mafia" Fuck the haters, lynch mafia. Works every time. | ||
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On June 28 2018 09:56 Tictock wrote: Probably crying to himself in a pit for what his creation is doing. God I am so wanting to call you mafia for how obstinate you are being but there can't be this many mafia... And you complain about other people's toxicity. | ||
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On June 28 2018 10:05 Tictock wrote: Wish I could petition to reinstate your self-enforced ban. I never gave up, I voted who I thought was mafia (unlike you who swapped off your mafia read for no reason), and I have a life outside this game so wan't around every second of EoD. Why are you so confused about people being toxic towards you when this is how you talk to/about people? I don't think Conversion has been very toxic this game. I suggest you two just ignore each other and I'll figure each of you out for the other. I think you're both town fwiw and it's just getting a bit petty. Plz play nice. | ||
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On June 28 2018 11:38 Regfan wrote: As done as I am with this game and site, I actually find the idea of any of you talking about our alignment while we flake unbearable, so, here's a modkill: Gemma - Yesterday at 9:01 PM yeah http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/534607-chill-hop-mafia?page=20#381 Regfan - Yesterday at 9:01 PM not sure how up to date you are on the thread Gemma - Yesterday at 9:01 PM i don't get how mafia can talk that way Regfan - Yesterday at 9:01 PM but i've dumped a LOT of analysis lately Gemma - Yesterday at 9:01 PM in that situation ok i'm at page 22 or so Regfan - Yesterday at 9:01 PM ah, page 25 is me walling nonstop Gemma - Yesterday at 9:02 PM goodie Regfan - Yesterday at 9:02 PM really like that calix post that you linked also feel free to correct me if you disagree but i kind of feel like this second half of d1 has felt even more dead than the first half and i can easily see that being the case if it's cake/calix walling each other and scum reading each other and they're t/t here and scum just standing back Gemma - Yesterday at 9:04 PM i mean i think tt is mafia and pulled back on scumreading calix at at point where it looked like he was going to be lynched so yes i think that's the world we're in Regfan - Yesterday at 9:04 PM i need to talk with rayn in real time badly if he's town here he's likely to decide the lynch he's got koshi and cake as his 2nd & 3rd voters imo Gemma - Yesterday at 9:05 PM yeah we need to talk to mocsta too Regfan - Yesterday at 9:07 PM hum Gemma - Yesterday at 9:07 PM he's reading calix for a lot of stuff that doesn't mean anything Regfan - Yesterday at 9:07 PM oh, yeah i'm planning on dropping a post on calix/cake as a duo-post and then doing a separate post re; rayns & moscatos cases on calix is next on my list after that i've just got a rayn post/vivax post and to talk with you and i'm fully up to date Gemma - Yesterday at 9:10 PM ok i'm not sure if i'm doing well enough to post anything but i'll try Regfan - Yesterday at 9:12 PM np just try and catch up and read my posts i'm happy to be the one making the posts in the thread (i have the night free) but want you to be up to date with where my heads at so we can have a proper convo Gemma - Yesterday at 9:19 PM i'm caught up Regfan - Yesterday at 9:20 PM agree HF is VERY town? i went over calix, dude is obvtown imo Gemma - Yesterday at 9:21 PM yes how confident are you on calix? Regfan - Yesterday at 9:22 PM mocsta>hf=calix huge gap, everyone else Gemma - Yesterday at 9:23 PM so let's save him? Regfan - Yesterday at 9:23 PM yeah, i'm going over cakes case on him atm Gemma - Yesterday at 9:23 PM k Regfan - Yesterday at 9:23 PM let me focus on that part? and you focus on who we're actually lynching -G Mocsta, get out of here, you're too nice for this site. Calix, I really like you, you remind me of a good friend of mine from the site where I normally play, you should also never play here again. I really think you're dead wrong on TT. Never ever ever ever ever lynch like that again, please. I'm somewhat glad you posted this in the way that you did because if I saw this and assumed it was the entirety of your chat for the whole game and it's within 20 minutes yesterday and doesn't contain half the things you said you talked about together I would have mafia read you non-stop. | ||
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On June 28 2018 18:08 Mocsta wrote: Thats a shame. My main doubt of rayn is why he got so annoyed with regfan being" town." Could be as simple as twas mafia setting up to get his friend lynched and couldnt make the move anymore because he is now meant to know regfan is town Like its a real oddity for me to get past He's done it before when someone swore on their life that they were town and he got annoyed that it was a cheap way to confirm themselves. Pretty sure he was town then too. | ||
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I'm just gonna wait for reg flip because I think it's possible they even tried to skirt the rules and were mafia :p | ||
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On June 29 2018 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: P.S. If i for some reason die this night Holyflare is mafia. There is simply never any reason to kill me unless Holyflare is mafia. There is simply no reason to kill me even after i say this because you probably won't believe it anyways. But it is still true. Holyflare (well basically almost everyone else too) is bad with night kills, i am not. I'm bad with nks? :D | ||
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On June 29 2018 00:15 ShoCkeyy wrote: Why's that? You voted off one townie, why go for the second? Because if you are town it's overwhelmingly likely that the people who gave a shit and were switching wagons are town over the people that did nothing and have static reads. I think your reads aren't changing based on all this new info and it looks really bad. | ||
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On June 29 2018 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well you thought i would ever shoot Superbia last game, i gave a list of 5 people who would. Three of them were mafia. I don't understand why you or anyone even said this. I never ACTUALLY said you would do that nk. | ||
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On June 29 2018 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: That was the second most terrible night kill analysis i have ever seen in my life, Rels takes spot #1. My nk analysis just said it's a mocsta nk and it was....? | ||
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On June 29 2018 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah you probably just mean different things with words than other people do. But then I didn't push it any further than this point and I pushed it as a mocsta nk forever after. Why are we wasting time talking about this anyway? That's nk analysis, you're talking about making nks. Different stuff. Everyone knows I'm dead tonight | ||
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On June 29 2018 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like "rayn switched his vote from his top scumread Calix who he has been campaining as lynch for all day onto his townread TT for no reason". Best argument 2018. I'll sheep this. ##vote rayn | ||
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On June 29 2018 01:09 CopCake wrote: Your push* This fits for a HF/Calix/TT team Because if Calix or TT flipped, pretty sure it would be mafia, but if Shotkey flipped town it would look bad for them so they went for boxerfred. If I am mafia with tt and calix why do I force them all to a guy getting modkilled instead of lynching shockeyy...? | ||
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On June 29 2018 01:32 Vivax wrote: Not to agree with cop here, but doing things that look like they mean something when they mean nothing usually helps mafia spread disinformation. But it's stupid when if both slender and bf are town they are essentially free flips for me to not lynch. Even if one is mafia it's still stupid. | ||
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On June 29 2018 02:33 Tictock wrote: Nah, you are right HF has done a whole lot of nothing this game. Very little analysis or anything. I actually thought rayn made a decent point as well, HF had put Shokeyy as one of his 3 mafia, the about 12 hours later acted like he only then started to believe Shokey is mafia. I still find it a bit disturbing that HF and Rayn have very different views of this game yet have interacted very little with each other as well. I don't really think they are a team though, so not sure what to make of that. I still kinda like the Rayn/Mocsta/Cake team I suggested though. I could possibly exchange you for Shokey if I ever get to a point of understanding how you believe half the things you have been writing. Mocsta at one point said "well shit if rayn is mafia, lets lynch him 3rd" Yet has offered no scum reads of his own to pursue first. In fact I don't recall where Mocsta's reads have gone since he made that case on Calix. WHERE did this ever happen? | ||
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On June 29 2018 02:33 Tictock wrote: Nah, you are right HF has done a whole lot of nothing this game. Very little analysis or anything. I actually thought rayn made a decent point as well, HF had put Shokeyy as one of his 3 mafia, the about 12 hours later acted like he only then started to believe Shokey is mafia. I still find it a bit disturbing that HF and Rayn have very different views of this game yet have interacted very little with each other as well. I don't really think they are a team though, so not sure what to make of that. I still kinda like the Rayn/Mocsta/Cake team I suggested though. I could possibly exchange you for Shokey if I ever get to a point of understanding how you believe half the things you have been writing. Mocsta at one point said "well shit if rayn is mafia, lets lynch him 3rd" Yet has offered no scum reads of his own to pursue first. In fact I don't recall where Mocsta's reads have gone since he made that case on Calix. WHERE did this ever happen? Also it's bull shit to say I've done very little analysis. I might have not been so present in the game to push my views but to say I've done no analysis is patently false. All of my posts dig at something or drive towards something and i make conclusions off of that all the time. I even did post flip analysis on why it makes you and calix likely town. Very bad post tt. | ||
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On June 29 2018 02:45 Tictock wrote: This was 2 hours ago. This was 17 hours ago. The first post clearly reads "whoops I was wrong, lynch Shokeyy, I was wrong about him being town" but you clearly already had him as mafia in that list. Definitely an inconsistency, but not sure if it actually makes you scum or not. It's not an inconsistency at all. I thought shockeyy was mafia from poe/before deadline and I kinda thought he appeared towny a bit at deadline. He was in my scum list because I just town read the majority of other people after eod and he is the weakest and also kind of the scummiest. Then he said some mafia bs when he returned that showed no critical thinking. So he was kinda mafia and then he was mafia. | ||
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On June 29 2018 03:09 Tictock wrote: Actually HF, can you give me your thoughts on Mocsta? He is an entity that has completely fallen from grace. Null tbh. Want more. | ||
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On June 29 2018 03:17 CopCake wrote: HF always said regfan was mafia but here he says he is town :D and when Calix had kinda some pressure on her calls her mafia. HF trying to blend in maybe? This is not true? I've always had an evolving opinion on regfan that is well detailed. | ||
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On June 29 2018 12:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: HF who would you have shot as mafia? You/vivax/calix/tt I'd probably think I could mislynch you so I'd shoot tt who looked pretty towny and is saying the most since vivax town read me and scum read you. | ||
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On June 29 2018 13:10 CopCake wrote: To me actions speak more than a thousand of walls of posts with fancy words. Words lie. Actions don't. The fact he tried to save boxer says a lot. He could have stayed and then be like "THIS IS SO STUPID BLA BLA BLA BLA" But he actually TRIED* Unless he tried to be like "this is so dumb bla bla" but as a mafia point of view, why just not pretend to afk and be back later? The action to me is what speaks he is town :/ Sorry. How did he try and save boxer and why does that matter? If shockeyy is town too then he tried to kill a more active townie and hope modkills can give him extra town flips. He also didn't try and save boxer because he only voted 20 seconds before the flip. | ||
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On June 29 2018 13:26 CopCake wrote: I am going to re evaluate http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/534884-chill-hop-mafia-vote-thread?page=3 So Calix and Vivax voted at the same time before end of the day to boxerored (2 min) Tick tock and conversion 1 minute before end of the day to Shockey If I think about it carefully, TT's numbers were 4, so if conversion stayed with him, it would be the same as Shockey. Both were mafia reads of Conversion's so it would work for him either way, then... In a world in which conversion is mafia... WHY THE MOVE? Is TT town and if he flipped town would clear a lot of things? Is TT mafia and apply the same? Why to take the risk of the move and be called out for it? I can see conversion being mafia is TT is mafia and his whole read of TT was just bluff and copy/budding people as you say. If tt is mafia and conversion is mafia then conversion is lynching his teammate. He has already said multiple times before this deadline that i should be voted for voting boxerfred so he can't vote bf to save teammate tt because he would look really bad. His only thing he can do is vote shockeyy. | ||
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I once was a confident young lad. Then I got talked over by activity. | ||
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Still can't get past the eod votes though. | ||
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On June 29 2018 23:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Being mafia with Calix what do you think happens next regardless of if (or even worse) Shokeyy (doesn't) flips? They both scum read shockeyy though? It's just called being wrong | ||
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On June 29 2018 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who do you scumread? Is it bad to say nobody? | ||
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On June 30 2018 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: If TT is town here, what reason does he have to not vote for Shockeyy here? Same as mafia, unless he fears his appearance after Shockeyy flip, even worse, if he is mafia with Calix. As town, yeah, why doesn't he vote? Yet you come up with a reason that is just ?????????? Like it would make sense as mafia to vote but not town? Like ugh... What Holyflare? As mafia there is absolutely no reason to not vote shockey unless they are partners or tt cares about how he looks after a town shockeyy flip (I don't think he'd care personally) As town you can just not give a shit about voting because you're not culpable to two other people and wouldn't feel bad if you didn't vote. Thus it's why I think tt is town (I even think tt/shockey is unlikely still). | ||
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On June 30 2018 00:52 TheSlenderMan wrote: Yo, forgot about the game again. Twice. Thanks rayn for the double heads-up! D: Will catch up after I've attended a party tonight. I mean this kind of just confirms you both town. | ||
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On June 30 2018 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is. If calix is mafia. Another thing is that it was nowhere near where the lynch was going at the time. He simply might have just not to. Especially if you are town, since boxerfred is your lynch. Calix wasn't near being lynched at eod though? | ||
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Initially I thought calix was mafia but then she said something in a post about "oh great another person not working with me" which looked quite townie. Then I thought her defence of tt was really bad so I quizzed her and her response to pressure was really quite good (don't think I said this in the thread though). I think around that point I heavily scum read tt but the only reason I backed off was that he started thinking something about vivax that was similar to my thoughts on vivax. I don't like any of his actual posts though, there's quite a lot of misinformation. But I thought he was slightly townie. Then towards deadline I thought shockeyy was scummy and I can't remember why? Guess it was what calix was posting? Then he was actually responding to me and I got some townie glimmer from his filter. At this point rayn switched to tt to put him into a majority and I began super hedging and thinking it wasn't a great lynch and then just wanted to vote off bf. I still think tt's eod was largely townie motivated though. | ||
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On June 30 2018 01:41 CopCake wrote: I want to know what is the new info from the lynch? inam dumb. If shockey is town then people were voting him off and that's bad. Boxerfred was a very bad lynch for information, even if he was town and many people had already expressed negative thoughts about the bf lynch. In my view, if I was shockeyy, I would overwhelmingly think the people switching from an ok town lynch on myself to a bad afk modkill to save tt are either mafia with tt or very likely town because they aren't afraid to look bad. Since tt did not vote to save himself until the very last minute I would assume he was town (as I have) and argue that the people saving tt by not voting shockeyy were quite townie compared to the people static afking on tt or even voting shockeyy at eod. | ||
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On June 30 2018 01:51 CopCake wrote: We have a lot of info Rayn is super mafia with cop and shockey I did it to save TT and Calix my town reads lol I didn't post this as a mafia team. I don't think you and rayn are ever mafia together. I just meant you all fit a profile of doing mafia things. This was also to raise morale of people complaining. | ||
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My gut wants to say calix/tt/x purely because my post you just quoted was very good. But my brain is telling me otherwise. I don't have concrete names. It sucks. I'm sorry. I'm very good at pointing out inconsistencies and mafia agenda but because I don't have any more time in life I'm not good at piecing that final part of the puzzle together and nailing the mafia. Often I just forget what I've been saying altogether. I think tt's latest post where he's basically added nothing of value while everyone talks around him is the epitome of his posting style this game though. It's very scummy. | ||
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I promise I'll devote time to this game over the weekend and figure stuff out though so hold me to this post. | ||
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No need to modkill. You don't even have to post in the thread anymore if it's affecting you that badly? Just close the thread. | ||
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they find a new thing to latch onto and push it but then forget all about it? | ||
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will do stuff evntually I am town though! | ||
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On June 30 2018 08:09 CopCake wrote: What the fuck? WHAT the actual fuck? I fought fucking Oceaanssssss to deffend rayn and to give you fucking logic reason besides “I feel it” I fucking deffended conversion when everyone started to call him mafia, I have literally posted the vote count more times to the host to see the probabilities of “if someone moved this vote the ending would have been, the reason he didnt probably is” Are you seriously going to tell me that i am a sheep? Are you fucking serious? I never said you were a sheep. It's just after like 70% of your filter dives you start pushing that person as mafia and then you filter dive someone else and seem to forget your previous scum read and move on. No lack of respect here. | ||
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On June 30 2018 16:47 Mocsta wrote: Hf You had no scum reads b4 tt was modkilled Where are u now? no scum reads probably calix I guess | ||
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On June 30 2018 17:28 Calix wrote: And why am I now mafia after you wrote a bunch of posts about how townie I am? Do not like. Dunno really. Thread sentiment. | ||
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Actually, no, this isn't right. It's because of my earlier post cake linked about you defending tt when he wasn't even up for lynch. | ||
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On June 30 2018 17:33 Calix wrote: I’m talking to HF. I don’t like how he backed down on his “strong” town reads on TT and I when it was convenient. This was the guy who said TT and I were well townie at EOD and suddenly he changed his mind? Despite one of his town reads being proven correct already??? Also I think he should know better than to suspect me. I didn't really back down either. I was arguing with rayn that tt's motives at deadline were very towny. I just didn't like any of his posts. | ||
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On June 30 2018 17:44 KelsierSC wrote: Please do not discuss out of game PM's during the game If they are in game PMs they should both be modkilled thanks. Please pm them individually. | ||
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On June 30 2018 19:16 Calix wrote: But I already responded to that and you said my reactions were townie. You can't revive a point you already beat into the ground earlier and claim it makes me mafia again. Of course I can. I do what I want. I think it's still a good point. I'm willing to vote shockeyy or slender though instead of you. | ||
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On June 30 2018 19:19 Koshi wrote: Good stuff hf. Mod says out of game. You say if ingame.. Smart Don't really give a shit. | ||
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Probably not I'd say. | ||
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Your reactions seem genuinely offended rather than fake offended. You're still trying to salvage some sort of game and ask questions. That's the reason I'm not scum reading you currently. | ||
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On June 30 2018 19:52 Mocsta wrote: so put yourself jn conversion world. Is it acceptable to throw my name around as a lynch option. And if calix/shockee arent a pair If calix is lynched as mafia. Does this indicate a team? If shockee is lynched as mafia. Does this lock conversion? I don't think it could be too farfetched to have your name in a scum team. If Calix is mafia, shockeyy is probably town. Too much campaigning when there were a lot of other alternatives. If shockeyy is mafia it means nothing to Conversion's alignment. On June 30 2018 20:36 Mocsta wrote: i would like another opinion on my observation This presents very similar to calix case on conversion By this i mean the flow of thoughts and the emphasised conclusions. I think its relevant as one case was written with no pressure and the other as a wagon. Yet her mindset is consisteny = honest / pure. I realise i am referring to 2 posts in a 12 page but i do find this observation to strongly favour town mindset. I think this is just how she writes cases, regardless of alignment. People's writing styles don't usually change between alignments when writing a case. | ||
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On June 30 2018 21:44 Koshi wrote: Same second completely different mindset. Makes it likepy the rage is fake. Why fake rage? Cuz mafia. ##vote conversion] Best chance to hit mafia by far. Fake reads, fake rage and pops in the defend while not biting back. I value your opinion and will sheep you. This makes me a good townie. | ||
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On July 01 2018 00:17 Mocsta wrote: ok lets do it And i go to bed I highly doubt i will be here at deadline ##vote: holyflare Piss off. This is the most opportune vote of them all Mocsta. | ||
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What kind of shit player do you think I am. Not only do you purport that shockeyy might be town but I correctly read and saved(!) tt by voting a guy that hadn't posted a single thing in this game. So I voted off a guy that had done absolutely nothing over one of my before eod scum reads tt who actually talked a lot and shockeyy the scummiest mofo in the game to policy bf and could have potentially given me two!! (if slender is town) free town kills by doing absolutely nothing to them or towards then. I think you'll find that logic is absolutely horse shit. | ||
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On July 01 2018 00:39 Conversion wrote: I have been talking and you’ve just called me scum and pointed back to your case? A case that rayn and Koshi called out and said wasn’t great. Not just me OMGUSing it back at your face. I need people to figure out if this boxerfred bullshit was pure or not, because if it is you’re basically saying it clears you Mocsta and HF. that means we’re left with a pool of copcake/conversion/koshi/slenderman/shockeyy. I’m town, so that means copcake/koshi/slendy/shockeyy contains the entire mafia team. I just logically do not buy that the entire mafia team consists of people in that list. Which is why I’m saying there is at least one mafia in the boxerfred wagon, and I’m trying to figure out who but the only one who is remotely helping is Mocsta but he’s being flakey so I have no idea No, you don't need this at all, that is a lie. You've mentioned non-stop the entirety of the day and even at eod that I am mafia FOR creating this bf wagon. Not only did it save town TT but it saved Shockeyy, who you have pretty much no read on in the past two pages of your filter. You have complained incessantly that Calix says it's you and shockeyy and that when you flip shockeyy will be the next mislynch in mafia Calix's arsenal but if that's the case you read shockeyy town. Then you have no reason whatsoever to shit on the BF wagon other than it gave "no" information (it gave loads, tt even fucking flipped himself so cut out your bs about no information because now you have it and still gained nothing in terms of your reads changing) so what you've done is got your information lynch AND a whole wagon of people that saved a town TT that was actually posting to vote on a lynch that made everyone on that wagon look really bad and you're just arbitrarily saying mafia has to be in it. That's really bad and if I do say so myself, opportune. Arbitrary scum reads on a wagon that "must contain mafia" is perfect mafia agenda. I don't think I've seen you give a constructive read on anyone (bar Calix) since that flip even. If you are town you are going down the wrong path calling me mafia. You seem to think Calix is mafia and myself are mafia AND Mocsta is being flakey but you make no conclusion as to why mafia would save shockeyy and make themselves look bad. Yet you're quite happy to say you're not mafia because why would you switch off shockey. The only way it makes sense for mafia to do that is BECAUSE shockeyy is mafia. If they do that and Shockeyy is town then you have to admit your vote on shockeyy means absolutely nothing to your alignment either. | ||
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On July 01 2018 00:58 Conversion wrote: I don’t understand why that post was meant to attack me when you just ended your conclusion on why Mocsta is mafia? Also no shit I’m going to play like I’m town, that’s because I am. Never did I mention anything about my vote switch to Shockeyy making myself town? The post attacks you because I think you are playing like mafia and my next item on the agenda is to show mocsta is doing the same thing and is also mafia. Maximising town my friend. | ||
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On June 30 2018 20:53 Mocsta wrote: sigh this is legit about hf Like as mafia he really had no need to drop his read on me No need at all I still would have thought he would be biting onto something at this point of the game though. + Show Spoiler [2] + On June 30 2018 21:32 Mocsta wrote: can you please review the posts and conclusion i made on calix I would like your opinion + Show Spoiler [3] + On June 30 2018 22:23 Mocsta wrote: im not going to be around lynch My focus is to put a vote on whom i think is scum and whom will get traction I refuse to vote calix and could do 1 of shockee or conversion. My preferred was shockee cos i think it clears calix and should make game easier to resolve + Show Spoiler [4] + On June 30 2018 22:36 Mocsta wrote: regardless, its disappointing you havrnt reevaluated your position on conversion. We know tt and boxer were town. Calix is likely town. So whats the big deal concersion didnt want to swap. He was on town lynch no matter what. Again this highlights shockeey for me. + Show Spoiler [5] + On June 30 2018 22:58 Mocsta wrote: Im so confused i cant even sheep Like the conversion vote is only scummy if shockee is town which fucks up all my pairings Actual Edit for my world i find it so hard to believe that copcake is town Voting tells me Shoxkee is town Concersion koshi holyflare is mafia + Show Spoiler [6] + On June 30 2018 23:04 Mocsta wrote: Realisitically yoy are town in my eyes However calix is absolutely lock town for me going forward which is whh i coliured her green Maybe it is as simple as TSM is the 3rd scum because teams just seem odd + Show Spoiler [7] + On June 30 2018 23:16 Mocsta wrote: If shockee and convo scum. Its a stupid bus If convo scum and shoxk toen. The hammer makes nk sense as all wagons were town and he didnt have to move + Show Spoiler [8] + On June 30 2018 23:28 Mocsta wrote: actually. The only benefit as sfum would be so he can shit on the boxerfred wagon. This ONLY is possible if shockee is town Ironically this is what convo has been doing though + Show Spoiler [9] + On June 30 2018 23:31 Mocsta wrote: i dont want to believe it but i dont see what other choixes there are It is really annoying TSM acknowledged he knew about the game and would come back and hasnt Not annoying because it blocks finding scum but it makea the team combos frustrating + Show Spoiler [10] + On June 30 2018 23:37 Mocsta wrote: This post still annoys me B4 that the only thing on tt is + Show Spoiler [11] + + Show Spoiler [12] + On June 30 2018 23:41 Mocsta wrote: Koshi > hf = shockee One problem i have with scum koshi is why noy keep town shock as a mislynch this cycle + Show Spoiler [13] + On June 30 2018 23:42 Mocsta wrote: Im going to bed in 10 though and dont want to throw away my vote Thats my preference but will sheeo yoy for consolidation. Where to? + Show Spoiler [14] + On July 01 2018 00:17 Mocsta wrote: ok lets do it And i go to bed I highly doubt i will be here at deadline ##vote: holyflare 1. HF IS TOWN "Sigh, this is so town hf because no agenda!" 2. I want HF's opinion on these posts because I respect it and I just read him town. 3. I will vote who I think is mafia. Won't vote Calix, will vote shockeyy and conversion. Shockeyy preferably. 4. Shockeyy is mafia. Conversion's swap is no big deal. 5. Conversion is town. Conversion is only scummy if shockeyy is town. Voting tells me shockeyy is town and Koshi/HF/Conversion(????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????) is mafia. Can't also believe cop is town, looks mafia(??) 6. Cop is now town. Calix is lock town. Maybe slender is mafia. 7. Pointless logic loops. 8. Maybe if he's mafia he did it to shit on the bf wagon. Oh, wait, he did do that. 9. slenderman whining 10. Koshi correctly guessed TT's alignment and it bugs me. 11. 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On July 01 2018 05:02 ShoCkeyy wrote: A few posts from Vivax, that caught my attention: If you notice Vivax attention goes towards Conversion here about Cilax. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/534607-chill-hop-mafia?page=27#530 My post is #530, Cilax claims "vivax" is town almost 600 posts later here. I was on Cilax trail all day yesterday, but was being blinded by watching. After filter diving once again, and re-reading most of the thread, I noticed these little tid bits. What I seem to recall re-reading the end of Day 1 was that Calix was trying to groom Vivax into lynching me, having him focus on my filter, and have my name in his filter end of D1 while Cilax looks like town cilax to Vivax. This is Cilax way after I town read Vivax. Then all the sudden Vivax dies D1. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/534607-chill-hop-mafia?page=57#1126 One other thing I notice was she did almost the same thing towards TT. Who in the end mod killed himself because he had so much pressure from town, if it wasn't for Cilax KNOWING TT was town. But how would she know TT is town? unless Cilax is mafia, she would know exactly who is town. Also you can see, she's the first to try and get a bus going, just check her filter, she's all over the place. And continues, even with Vivax at one point. I feel like the Vivax night kill was meant to try and frame me based on his late d1 filter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/534607-chill-hop-mafia?page=19#379 So what's next? A few people seem to be on Cilax side, a few people seem to not. I want to push Cilax, but that depends on how many votes I can get. If I'm needed to lynch some one else, it'll be HF based on this post alone. Thoughts? Why the fuck would you lynch me based off of this? | ||
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On July 01 2018 05:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: Because why would you claim conversion is mafia, or bf is mafia other than you already know their roles.... Oh, I don't know, probably because conversion has said the bf wagon is shit and tt is mafia about 8 times but then miraculously voted you at deadline to save bf instead of getting people to vote ticktock his mafia read???? I genuinely thought you were the lynch. | ||
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On July 01 2018 05:15 Calix wrote: I read it but not properly. It was not bad at first glance. His vote on you is not what you’d expect and it’s weird for him to sheep CopCake. Still think ShoCkeyy is better tho. Do you disagree? We lynch mocsta or I switch my vote to lynching you. Your choice. Slenderman is a good alternative. | ||
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On July 01 2018 05:19 CopCake wrote: The problem here is that, if I noticed correctly, if there is a tie, the first one that got the most votes is the one that gets lynched. So vote mocsta or slenderman. | ||
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On July 01 2018 05:25 CopCake wrote: - You haven't done anything - I agree with your case of Motsca because he is one of my mafia reads, because the theory of the vote count fits pretty well, but even if motsca is mafia it doesn't clear you 100%. I need someone who had played with mafiaholyflare! to know if you are able to sacrifice a mate for the sake to win towncred. - Why did you just started to write cases when you felt the knife next to you? I have seen others doing cases with no knife. - When Rayn asked you "who are your reads?" you had absolutely no idea. It is strange, it is weird, I can't see a TownHF being like that, in the limbo. - I don't like how you changed your read on Calix. Why don't you look at her filter? It is terrible. Who are her scum reads? Me?, Rayn? killing inactives? whoever is inactive? I can see a townHF, there is a small alternative, that mafia took advantage of your silly BF wagon BUT, the fact you haven't raged at Calix for following you screams you are mafia to me. I did a lot day 1. I didn't have motivation day 2 to do anything. I'm busy and I don't want to commit to a read when I can't fully say I've pieced it together in my mind. That never makes me mafia. I always have a drive for the next mislynch. Of course I can bus a team mate to look good but I don't generally do it unless they are under suspicion and I want the credit. I don't need the credit and I cased him because his vote on me makes no sense. I just started to write cases now because I have you and mocsta putting me as the lead wagon with 0 content as to why I'm mafia. Mocsta especially called me town just a few posts before he voted me. When rayn asked me for my reads I was not comfortable with any of my reads. I thought tt and calix were pretty townie for eod but the more people kept disagreeing with me the more I sacrificed my own read for their uncertainty. Rayn especially telling me tt wasn't town was off putting. Me not reading throughly and people telling me I'm wrong is not a good combo. I still haven't read, I'm purely basing this off of mocsta's recent posting spree. I haven't read a single filter this game other than Mocsta's just now. Maybe her filter is bad. If it is why are you voting me and not calix? I'm going purely by her eod where she had no need to look bad voting bf to save tt as mafia if shockeyy is town. You think shockeyy is town so calix's eod should be quite townie to you. It's the same reasoning as "why would conversion switch to shockeyy" but you're not applying it to calix switching to bf. | ||
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On July 01 2018 05:31 CopCake wrote: I mean, for your actions they lead me to think Calix is your 100% town read. I don't read calix one way or the other currently. At a stretch I think her posts are a bit townie. | ||
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On July 01 2018 05:34 CopCake wrote: There is also just ONE Universe, I considered it yesterday when Calix was like "Pls think of your actions" and after motsca called me annoying? but I think that if you are town and being a victim of frame you would have noticed it already, that is why I didnt share nor I plan to share because I would give mafia the weapon to clear themselves. What do you mean by this? Am I imagining things or did Mocsta say in this game you didn't look townie and he wasn't sheeping your cases? Why is he sheeping you on me? | ||
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On July 01 2018 05:40 CopCake wrote: Shockey flipping town leads to lynch Calix next phase because there was no context on "why to lynch him" Shockey wasn't leading either, it was TT. Shockeyy flipping town does in no way, shape or form lead to calix being mafia nor does it mean she gets lynched next cycle. Just because shockey had two votes in that vote count doesn't mean he wouldn't be lynched either. Vivax/calix/tt/kind of myself/mocsta/koshi/conversion etc were all comfortable lynching shockey if push came to shove and if you look at the votes in between the vote counts you'll see everyone switching back and forth off of shockey. If you think shockey is town you must undoubtedly think I am town because I effectively held the game hostage by telling everyone to vote bf instead of shockeyy. So why do you not think that? Furthermore, I don't agree with your point that there was no context to lynch shockey. I think there was ample context to lynch him. Calix had made cases on him, people had agreed he looked scummy. To say there was no context is very much wrong. When you look at the above fact, that there was ample reason to lynch shockey, that if just one more person voted him he'd be dead and that tt was town (and you think Shockeyy is town) why is it your conclusion that a mafia calix would vote an out of context boxerfred lynch who was likely gonna be modkilled to save a townie that has been typing all game instead of her scum read? It's much more simple to think she just really thought tt was town and putting effort in and wanted to save her town read. | ||
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On July 01 2018 05:48 CopCake wrote: Tictock[4]: ShoCkeyy[3]: Calix[0]: boxerfred[4]:boxerfred, Holyflare Holyflare[0]: Regfan[0]: Koshi[0]: TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan CopCake[0]: Vivax[0]: [B]raynpelikoneet [1]:Tictock This is how it would have looked the vote count. I think, @Conversion @Rayn check me this. TT would have been lynched, he would flip town and that would give you town credibility Calix. The only reason shockeyy was not lynched is because conversion decided to un scumread tt too late and tt didn't give a shit to save himself until last second and someone else did something. | ||
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On July 01 2018 05:58 CopCake wrote: but shockey got two votes at the end. If you notice, the final is: Conversion didnt try to save Shockey, Shockey and TT were his scum reads. I didn't say conversion tried to save shockey. Your argument is something about calix having no context to lynch shockeyy. What is the context for your town read conversion to vote shockeyy? What is the context for confirmed town tt to vote shockeyy? What is the context for confirmed town regfan to vote shockeyy? What is the context for maybe town koshi to vote shockeyy? If tt had voted shockeyy to begin with instead of last minute none of the bf votes would have occured because they were ALL (even me kind of) to save tt. Shockeyy would be dead. Why does the argument that there was no reason to vote shockeyy only apply to calix and not the actual people that voted shockeyy? Why are you selectively choosing when to use this argument? | ||
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On July 01 2018 06:01 ShoCkeyy wrote: HF, let's say I vote Mocsta based off your read on page 100, and he flips red, who are your other associated members? Copcake, I can't recall, but what is your read on Mocsta again? I'll work it out after the flip. Or at least people's reactions surrounding the lynch. Tell me if you disagree with anything I wrote. Also please follow up on your accusation on me and why what I countered it with sways you one way or another to my alignment. I don't want you to keep me as a mafia read in your back pocket that you wildly fling out when I'm most vulnerable so if I can get rid of your excuses for scum reading me now that would be great thanks. I think slender will be a mafia modkill though because he hadn't voted. | ||
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On July 01 2018 06:03 ShoCkeyy wrote: boxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare, Mocsta, Calix, Vivax In all honesty, there has to at least be one or two mafia members here. Easy mislynch of a town. How quick was mocsta jumping on board with this bus? There doesn't have to be any mafia here at all because if you are town and tt is town why do mafia go out of their way to lynch a modkill able guy? Such bad argumentation used by like 3 people now. If you are town why don't they all just jump on you? Or tt? | ||
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On July 01 2018 06:17 ShoCkeyy wrote: Or in all honesty, you saved me by starting the BF bus. So why on earth am I ever a consideration to be mafia? Also everyone on the bf wagon saved you because you were 1 vote away from dying. | ||
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I don't think calix's push on you is that awful, that's the thing. Your reads (such as that one on me which you're not indulging me with) look very opportune and not thought out. It's tough because you're both talking across each other and not with each other. I'd like to give you both an extra day of just talking TO each other and pretending you are both town and seeing how it works out. I think it could be very fruitful. If Calix is mafia she'll struggle quite a bit with this exercise. | ||
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On July 01 2018 06:30 CopCake wrote: This is the problem, you THINK EVERYONE ON THE BF wagon is town. No I don't. I'm voting mocsta. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:57 Calix wrote: My god, this is dumb. Vivax, should we just swap to BF so TT doesn't die? | ||
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On July 01 2018 06:34 CopCake wrote: This was the preview the final Shockey had only two votes. And like I said. It is wrong. Calix also told vivax to switch. Why are you trying to throw dirt in her direction and give vivax credit when it was calix instigating other people to switch. | ||
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On July 01 2018 06:48 CopCake wrote: I need you to sit, and think as mafia. Hello, I am mafia, I know that TT is town, I know that Boxerfred is town, and I know shotckey is town (hypothetically) I have three wagons, all of them town, Idk if Vivax will follow me but just in case, I will move my vote from my "mafiaread" to an afk. that way TT dies anyways and I win towncred for doing "all in my power" to save him. If Vivax decides to follow me, BF dies, another townie! I don't know if you get it, but I am like 98% confident in the lynch pool of TT, BF and Shockey was town (the -2% is for Shockey) That is why many people are pissed that the afk died. Because it gave us NO INFO. If Shockey would have died, it would have made us go to his filter and look at everything he had said and look for those who accused him. So I don't think mafia's intention was to kill Shockey at all as I have pointed out. Ugh, is it so hard to understand my point or something? Like the ONLY UNIVERSE Calix and you are town is the one slender man, kochi and shockey are mafia or slender man, kochi and mostca this is completely factually incorrect and you are still thinking like the vote count you posted is the correct wrong, it is NOT correct vivax was voting shockeyy, calix did not switch her vote until she got confirmation that other people were joining so that TT would NOT die, there were still minutes left for votes to change | ||
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On July 01 2018 06:52 Conversion wrote: also what’s happening HF is yelling a lot of words but past his Mocsta case I haven’t read any of it. Do we have enough traction for a mocsta lynch even? idt rayn even buys HF arguments and town is split rn just read the post? it's really not long | ||
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Day 1 Vote Count regfan [0]: holyflare [0]: ticktock [4]: Copcake [0]: Vivax [1]: Calix [0]: Koshi [0]: Shockeyy [4]: Boxerfred [2]: Boxerfred, Holyflare Raynpelikoneet [1]: Ticktock TT gets 4 first. regfan [0]: holyflare [0]: ticktock [4]: Copcake [0]: Vivax [1]: Calix [0]: Koshi [1]: Shockeyy [3]: Boxerfred [2]: Boxerfred, Holyflare Raynpelikoneet [1]: Ticktock Mocsta stops Shockeyy being lynched by voting Koshi for exactly no reason and it's a wasted vote. regfan [0]: holyflare [0]: ticktock [4]: Copcake [0]: Vivax [1]: Calix [0]: Koshi [0]: Shockeyy [4]: Boxerfred [3]: Boxerfred, Holyflare, Mocsta Raynpelikoneet [1]: Ticktock Regfan puts shockeyy back to joint lead wagon. TT is still not voting to save himself. Calix now asks whether people are willing to save TT by voting BF because I am stubborn and didn't want to vote shockeyy. Vivax now agrees with Calix. That is 2 votes off of Shockeyy and onto BF, putting him AS THE LEAD WAGON. TT is still not Conversion's scum read at this point so why he's still on TT who the fuck knows. regfan [0]: holyflare [0]: ticktock [4]: Copcake [0]: Vivax [1]: Calix [0]: Koshi [0]: Shockeyy [3]: Boxerfred [5]: Boxerfred, Holyflare, Mocsta, Calix, Vivax Raynpelikoneet [1]: Ticktock BF leads the votes. regfan [0]: holyflare [0]: ticktock [3]: Copcake [0]: Vivax [1]: Calix [0]: Koshi [0]: Shockeyy [5]: Boxerfred [5]: Boxerfred, Holyflare, Mocsta, Calix, Vivax Raynpelikoneet [0]: These are the accurate vote counts. Calix asking Vivax to switch to BF saves ticktock (because he was incapable himself). At one point Shockeyy and TT were tied as the leading wagon even! | ||
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On July 01 2018 06:58 Conversion wrote: I’m asking what you said after the mocsta case That people are shit and they should be voting mocsta. Also to get people to explain why the fuck they are voting what they are voting and pull their fingers out of their ears and to shape up. Also that people voting me are doing so for unexplained reasons and it's stupid. Also that vote counts were wrong and all the reasoning that someone is mafia because of it is wrong. | ||
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It was obvious TT was town when he didn't even vote bf to save himself. People saying he was mafia (especially rayn) should be ashamed of themselves. Calix got vivax to switch to bf to save tt. Extremely unnecessary to put her neck out to save TT when her scum read wagon would have easily been the leading one. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:12 Mocsta wrote: #971 he is first vote on shockeyy.... anyways, fuck you all for ignoring me ##Vote; Shockeyy On June 28 2018 07:19 Mocsta wrote: fuck it im probably never going ot catch up on this game now I will vote the unturned stone ##Vote: Koshi I dont particuarly care for the filter, and im concerned with the hammer vote stops shockeyy being the leading wagon by voting a 0 wagon Koshi for no reason other than "unturned stone" On June 28 2018 07:28 Mocsta wrote: WTF... realises he is townie for WHAT REASON! I agree TT is town but I actually said why... read his fuckn filter and tell me why is shitting on people that think TT is scum.... has tt as town but never votes to save him by voting shockeyy On June 28 2018 07:47 Mocsta wrote: hmmm. Filter dive rayn - Theres a couple odditities in his play, but maybe IRL shit. Like, I just dont think he can be that passionate against calix/regfan etc as mafia. Theres a lot of conviction in his posts that I think cannot be faked. Filter dive tictock - Im still not seeing why anyone thinks he is scum. I look at his wagon and see pretty much town (if you treat the shockeyy mafia stuff as a dumbtell) Koshi is probably a crap shoot. I prob more want to lynch him out of spite than I think he is mafia Calix i think is town. #1004 is just something i dont expect mafia to say, but i see town do it all the time. its just a genuine venting of frustration this leaves my voting block to shockeyy, boxer fred, vivax Will filter those guys now ##unvote Who knows, maybe this is a bizarre game where 2 of the scum team are AFK, and vivax is actually by himself lol shockeyy is even a scum read and a leading wagon so he votes boxerfred with me instead of voting out shockeyy who is his scum read AND would save TT On June 28 2018 07:48 Mocsta wrote: id idnt realise it was 11min to lynch i voted fred please dont vote tictock. hes tote town! complains not to vote tt, does nothing to save | ||
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On July 01 2018 07:17 Mocsta wrote: Hi hf But day1 man.. cant change that Hey btw. Ehat scum game i have lmayed eith you were my reads fluctuate so much... This one. | ||
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On July 01 2018 07:16 CopCake wrote: Having votes on you finally made you play? It's partly that and partly because it's a weekend so I'm actually at home. | ||
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On July 01 2018 07:22 Mocsta wrote: Ok final thoights Please read after my lynch 1. You are in lylo tomorrow 2. Calix rayn and copcake is still my town circle 3. I think i raised good points why calix is town. This save tt stuff calix is on about is not right. If you ignore actual and go off host count, the only way she could save tt is by evening the numbers kn a countwrwagon which is boxerfred 4. Read hf case on me once im dead and you can trust me. Its just pointing out inconsistencies and does not link scum agenda at all. Thjs is not normal for hf who cases me every game. He has taken advantage that i woukd not be around. Hf is scum #1p I also think there's a massive disconnect between your point 2 and 3. Why are you saying Calix is your town circle but then shitting all over her points about saving TT? | ||
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On July 01 2018 07:24 Conversion wrote: if slendyman gets MK'd we lose anyways so /shrug you saying he's town? | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:39 Holyflare wrote: Koshi is voting twice and there's no vivax. | ||
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On July 01 2018 07:27 Mocsta wrote: Bugger wasnt meant to post Phone slipped Thats where im at Hf is scum for because game has devolved since boxerfred lynch Hf was there near eod1 when i asked for catch up and did nothing which is so uncharacteristic for him Im suspecting shockee is scum ehich is why hf created boxer xounter. He was prob never jntending to stay on it but the opportunity fell his way nrcause of me. This cleara conversiin who is the inky person i am ok with to gote me. I mean all game hf has been hesitant to call me mafia. Nkw im afk and strikes. So hf / shockee and i wont bother #3 as slendy hasnt posted. Guys good luck Im disappointed i xouldnt stick to bow i played thr furst 24hrs. I never caught up from eod2 and should have stopped posting. Sorry. In some ways i derserve the mislynch. Vote hf or shockee next pls. Gonna enjoy time with the kids now. Bye On June 16 2018 07:33 Mocsta wrote: I really liked koshi obsercation about same reads as tubesock but different alignments so neither is in my pool. Slender i cant tell is a hipster thinker or turning bullshit stones for thr sake of it. Def not enough for me to consider this cycle. Iamp is trash on the same level as rels. I dont agree with comments that kita intentionally ignored iamp as buddies. The other side of the WIFOM is that s an analytical player i suspect its within kita spectrum to consider that he would be hammered. Thus if he voted iamp to save homself it would confirm iamp. Instead once i vote myself he releases a case to try and flow to me as his prior scum read. So voting for me today is either ksc or hf. Ksc has followed thread sentiment in a sterile way and didnt seem to really want to lynch kitaman. Theres also the odd joke post early game from kota which could be scum banter. My issue with hf all stems this cycle. Since the flip he isnt actively reevaluating and forcing his will like i know him too when town. Instrad no matter what is happening, he still trys to twist actions into me = scum. No reconsideration. Just subtle "dont forget about mocsta". Or the just ad simplr iamp is scum eith no consideration for what i mentioned prior. I mean this is pretty close to identical to your case last game lol. | ||
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On July 01 2018 07:34 Mocsta wrote: i could say the same to you My preference was koshi Now its you. Anyways thats my final post Good luck town I mean, I have a perfect reason why I voted you. You called me town and then voted me because you decided to sheep copcake who you have previously said makes no sense. Then I dug in your filter and saw your actions at deadline and also how your reads don't match up to your actions. My case outlines your posts and how you somehow arrived at voting me, perhaps reading it and explaining how you end up with a preference for Koshi being mafia makes you vote for me, your town read. How can I only be a scum read now because I voted you when your vote was already on me? So many questions. | ||
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On June 30 2018 22:58 Mocsta wrote: Im so confused i cant even sheep Like the conversion vote is only scummy if shockee is town which fucks up all my pairings Actual Edit for my world i find it so hard to believe that copcake is town Voting tells me Shoxkee is town Concersion koshi holyflare is mafia On June 30 2018 22:59 Mocsta wrote: If shoxkee is toen i meant Atrocious posting on phone aorry If Shockeyy is town the votes say it's Conversion/HF/Koshi but now that I've posted the corrected vote counts that show a difference scenario that you've read but haven't alluded to reading to now Shockeyy is probably mafia and I voted off him to save him (instead of just voting TT for some reason) | ||
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On July 01 2018 08:06 CopCake wrote: Please kill calix with fire heavily agreed | ||
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On July 01 2018 07:58 Calix wrote: Actually I change my mind. I don't see why mafia Mocsta would even post since he's almost definitely dying. This is the most bs mafia post in existence by the way. Calix literally just hosted where Mocsta was mafia and I made the same case against Mocsta and he posted all the way up till deadline. | ||
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On June 30 2018 00:52 TheSlenderMan wrote: Yo, forgot about the game again. Twice. Thanks rayn for the double heads-up! D: Will catch up after I've attended a party tonight. Activity Requirement: 1 game-relevant post per day cycle. This is not a game relevant post. It also breaks the rules about out of thread communication. Plz modkill. | ||
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On July 01 2018 08:10 Calix wrote: >assuming I properly read and remember much about the games I host Nah, mate. Anyway I am going to take a break from the game over the night phase. I'm probably not dying given I'm being mafia-read to hell and back so I'll be dropping my reads and coming in with a blank slate. Or as close to possible to that. You mean you forgot about the very specific end game where you trolled and didn't flip Mocsta mafia until 20 minutes later and endgamed. Seems very hard to forget. | ||
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On July 01 2018 08:13 Calix wrote: Your insistence on bringing this stuff up in the thread is going from 'annoying' to 'legitimately scummy' since a mod-kill on town ends the game. But then again, if you're trying to turn the mod into a vigilante as mafia instead of just winning as mafia the normal way then you can go fuck yourself. So make of that what you will. I'd rather modkill myself and end the game then have this farcical game keep going because a guy skirted the rules by posting a non-relevant game post. I don't care if it's in thread or not. | ||
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On July 01 2018 08:29 Conversion wrote: I'm about to modkill myself, so hold your horses noooo | ||
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good reading then | ||
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You're mafia. Get fucked. | ||
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On July 01 2018 11:20 CopCake wrote: 19 pages of filter, here I go. don't waste your time, this is almost double my last town game filter length in half the time easy town | ||
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On July 01 2018 11:22 CopCake wrote: This is probably the “I read Calix as mafia” one But for whatever reason started with motsca Have you got amnesia? You know exactly why I pushed mocsta. He voted for me after calling me town. | ||
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On July 01 2018 11:25 CopCake wrote: No, the problem is this. Notice how Calix just appeared at the eotd Saying “modkill yourself or not so I know if I have to do work solving the game” Oh man pls kill me of this game mafia, literally save me and you dont see more of me until the end of the game. why would I stop you modkilling yourself if I was mafia and you were town. I literally wouldn't give a shit because if you're town and I'm mafia then I just win the game. Same with conversion. | ||
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On July 01 2018 11:27 Holyflare wrote: I am vig shooting calix so we'll see if you're mafia or not If my shot goes off and I'm not rbd then rayn is mafia and plz lynch him. | ||
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On July 01 2018 11:37 Holyflare wrote: stop talking about blues | ||
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On July 01 2018 19:00 Koshi wrote: Meh. HF mafia after all. I blame rayn. absolutely a mafia koshi statement by the way, he hasn't read anything about me and he's inconsistent as hell | ||
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On July 02 2018 08:25 Calix wrote: Are you saying Koshi/ Calix are on the same scum team and just decided to claim two blue roles in a game with at least one legit blue role? Because that's how this reads to me. After cop isn't claiming then I think you're likely to be fake claiming yeah. | ||
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On July 02 2018 08:29 CopCake wrote: Tbh one claim is fake or both are legit and rayn is just bluffing, but we will see. But I think is stupid to claim rn as mafia because i “claimed” something and mafia would be wary... or who knows I mean mafia should know the set up because if there are two blues then they got a rb Rayn can be bluffing and one can still be fake. One of the setups is only 1 blue. | ||
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On July 02 2018 08:30 CopCake wrote: The problem is why me and slenderman lol Exactly. | ||
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No just cautious. You proclaiming we've won when it's the most opportune day for mafia to initiate shenanigans isn't very encouraging. | ||
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On July 02 2018 08:35 Calix wrote: I checked CopCake N1 because I found her hard to read and wanted something that would give me a more definitive idea of her alignment. I checked Slender N2 because I didn't want to bring an AFK into LYLO while knowing absolutely nothing about what his alignment might be. I didn't put that much thought into who I checked though, lol. But I think checking people who you're unsure about is sound. So why have you never checked shockeyy your biggest mafia read for all eternity? | ||
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Kill mechanics: Town can no-lynch. Mafia can no-kill. If there is a cycle of no-lynch/ no-kill then mafia must shoot first. | ||
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On July 02 2018 08:40 Calix wrote: Because I don't check mafia reads. I check question mark players. When it comes to mafia reads, I prefer lynching them to wasting my cop checks on them. But you're not a cop. You are a parity cop. If you check to question mark players and they return same how are you ever going to get their alignment? | ||
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On July 02 2018 08:52 Calix wrote: I disagree with the conclusion for reasons not mentioned in this post. You are also being inconsistent. First Koshi and I are both fake-claiming scummers (since you talked shit about both of us) but now you think Koshi is being legit and I'm the fake-claimer? Ok. I'm working through theories so of course it's inconsistent? I thought cop was blue and rayn was blue so I thought you two were initially both fake claiming. Then cop said she wasn't blue so only one of you would be fake claiming (still possible both are if rayn sticks to being blue). | ||
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On July 02 2018 08:59 Calix wrote: All I know is that I'm town, Slenderman/ CopCake contains one mafia, and Koshi might be legitimate but I'd need confirmation from rayn. If rayn keeps to his claim then rayn/ Koshi would have the second mafia otherwise both are town. Conversion/ HF/ ShoCkeyy contains either 1 mafia (if rayn/ Koshi has scum) or 2 mafia. If I've made a mistake here then lemme know. This stuff's important for world-building and figuring out which teams are never a thing. If rayn says he is not a role does that confirm koshi as blue? If so, why? | ||
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On July 02 2018 17:11 Calix wrote: If you assume the mafia spent a considerable amount of their time fighting and voting for each other, suuuuure. Or you can go for the considerably more sensible option of Conversion/ ShoCkeyy/ Slenderman which DOESN'T have NEXT LEVEL bussing required to make that team work ^^ The sensible option is not checking modkill slenderman and copcake? | ||
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On July 02 2018 17:15 Calix wrote: Why do you keep responding to my points with these asinine comments? I don't think you believe this yourself because it's so mind-boggling dumb and "oh Calix was hardcore gunning for her team mates for pretty much the entire game" is not the first thing that pops into anyone's head ever. It's not the first thing traditionally, no. It is the first thing when someone explains if they were mafia they could have just cop checked their scum reads. | ||
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On July 02 2018 21:07 Calix wrote: Your “aggressive” persona isn’t going to convince me of your townieness so you can drop that whenever you want. As for your question, because I have a difference check. Duh. Last game I played there was also a parity cop with difference check and we lynched outside of that. I do not want this happening again. You mean that game we lynched all the mafia in? | ||
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On July 03 2018 01:48 Calix wrote: Another bad response to my posts. What is the point of saying this? I don't like your posts this cycle. I'm starting to think you're mafia and whoever the townie is out of ShoCkeyy and Conversion just misread their role PM. Unlike the last game, which had framers, millers, Godfathers, etc, there is no reason why you'd ignore a difference check ever. Yes there is. I think you're mafia. I think your checks are the complete opposite to anything a town parity cop would do. I don't believe you'd check slender either because your reason that he's skirting a modkill isn't true because he never posted the rest of the entire game so he's just not playing as opposed to skirting. I think the reason you'll find my posts are annoying is because I just don't really care. If you are a parity cop and checked those players I'm fine losing by voting you. | ||
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On July 03 2018 03:39 Calix wrote: You are too tunneled on a read you've had for most of the game. I bet you and rayn will yell at me post-game when I flip town without so much as a "sorry for tunneling you for three days" as well. I can't convince you two of anything and the mafia will vote me with you two. With that in mind, I think I will accept my mislynch. I have already fought my way out of a lynch twice. I do not care enough about the town win condition anymore to do this a third time. I'm pretty sure it was me that saved you :p | ||
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On July 03 2018 04:30 Conversion wrote: like am I missing something here? why wouldn't we lynch into the two people that claimed the same role? Why would we when there was no kill....? | ||
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On July 03 2018 04:44 Calix wrote: My personal belief is that rayn fake-claimed but is town, and that Koshi is the doctor. The only 'strong' evidence I have for you is that if Koshi is town, then he MUST have saved rayn, yes? I'll explain a scenario where doc!Koshi 'saves' mafia!rayn and show you why it doesn't make much sense: It's possible mafia!rayn fake-claims medic and then no-shoots. But mafia!rayn would HAVE to know a real doctor was in the game (since there are always two blues with me around). So if mafia!rayn decided to no shoot with that information then he has no idea who the real doctor is going to save or whether a vigilante would shoot on N2 or anything like that. He has no real incentive to no-shoot. Basically the mafia!Koshi and mafia!rayn scenarios are TECHNICALLY possible but also make no sense. Thus I conclude both are town. If you disagree, please find my mafia!Koshi post and mafia!rayn post and tell me how my logic is wrong, please. This is very speculative so I may have missed a scenario. But I think what I say makes sense. I am mafia rayn up for lynch discussion. I claim medic to get rid of suspicion. I know there is only one role because we do not have a rber. I will no nk because a medic thinks it is a play and will save me and i become town. If I no nk and a vig shot goes off I know I can keep claiming medic. If I don't nk and a parity cop claims I can keep claiming medic. I am mafia koshi with mafia rayn and I know there is one role because we have no rber. I will pretend to save rayn because it is mylo and that gets rid of two mafias as suspects. | ||
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On July 03 2018 05:11 Calix wrote: Slenderman could post at the last minute though and thus avoid mod-kill. I'm staying on that guy. #ritoky #ninjavoting If he posts at the last minute then I will boycott any future game with this voting mechanic and post count of 1 requirement. I will also lose all respect for slenderman. Why is self voting even a thing? Just don't count their vote and modkill them. | ||
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On July 03 2018 05:18 Calix wrote: If you're mafia who keeps talking about mod-kills and other bullshit instead of playing the game then I will lose all respect for you ^^ It's a mechanic I used in the last game because I didn't want to mod-kill for no-votes and Kelsier copied me. You already know this since you were in that game where I introduced this mechanic. I don't recall you bitching about it this much then, if at all. Yes but nobody abused it and it was still shit. Why would you not modkill for no votes when that is the entire point of this game that gives information. | ||
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On July 03 2018 05:25 Calix wrote: The perfect information being Koshi flipping doctor? There's zero point in no lynching when the only scenario that can come of it is one of the blue roles dying tonight. You're not even advocating for using the extra time to discuss anything! You're probably pushing for a no lynch so we don't get the chance to kill the roleblocker. Because if we lynch the roleblocker then Koshi can heal me and I get another cop check. How do you know Koshi is going to flip doctor? I don't know that, I'm not going to presume that either. If Koshi flips doctor then we know he was at least honest about saving rayn. We also THEN get to see if Slenderman will do his one post to stay alive and we can confirm whether you're telling the truth about him being mafia at that point. | ||
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On July 03 2018 06:11 CopCake wrote: I say wait for slenderman and rayn. Slenderman knows me, and rayn knows slenderman well But to be fair, if I was mafia, rayn would have caught it up inmediatly. no, we don't wait rayn has voted calix which means he isn't CCing koshi and is calling calix mafia slenderman will post like one post this entire cycle if he's mafia or many posts if he's town | ||
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On July 03 2018 06:31 Calix wrote: You've threatened to lynch me if I don't comply with what you want on 2-3 occasions now. So fuck off, scum. Doesn't even make sense lol | ||
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On July 03 2018 07:30 Holyflare wrote: Still not mafia. Don't say my vote on mocsta was bad when you couldn't be bothered to even read it either. I put in a lot of effort correcting all the vote counts and trying to figure it out. But sure, berate the guy that put in the work and not the 3 people that sheeped him. | ||
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On July 03 2018 07:32 ShoCkeyy wrote: I literally voted Mocsta because you told me to read your case against him, what? Talking about rayn. | ||
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On July 03 2018 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like okay, we go to D3, Calix should always confirm something if she is a cop. Checking me (because from her PoV i am gonna die as she believes my claim already) is simply just 100% best and only option, because she can then tell Cake is 100% town. There is simply no advantage for town to claim a different check (unless the other part is dead rayn) because yeah... there isn't. It is a ridiculously bad check. Furthermore she has, as claimed blue, ignored any "blue tells" (OR red fakeclaiming-blue-tells) there have been this game and simply just treated those people... wrong, lol. Holyflare made two terrible terrible lynches happen. I even pled on him yesterday to talk to me for the 24 hours i had for the game. He was around, he simply just "never could make up his mind", like: And of all the people... he ends up voting for Mocsta. The fuck?????????????? No, he is just not town. Never. I have no scum reads. Maybe calix I GUESS. Does that sound like a really certain thing where I always push calix over a guy I put work into casing? I'm beginning to believe you're mafia simply because you're pushing the shittest reasons I've ever seen for me to be mafia. I'm mafia because i lynch a modkill town guy. I'm mafia because i said I had no scum reads but maybe Calix at a stretch (which I even said not so much after). I'm mafia because I want to kill someone I cased and looked like mafia. I'm mafia because (insert more bs reasons here). I'm just not mafia and you're gonna have to deal with that scenario or you are mafia yourself. | ||
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On July 03 2018 07:39 Calix wrote: At least rayn and I agree that HF is mafia. Sadly rayn can't see that HF is doing everything possible to avoid killing Slenderman because Slenderman is mafia. But baby steps. ?????????????? ??? ......????? | ||
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On July 03 2018 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: It literally means nothing they say because they are in a bad spot after the failed NK. This is dumb as shit. Calix claimed before the night kill even happened and the no kill changes absolutely nothing about calix or myself. So how does it mean anyone is in a bad spot? If I was mafia with calix why the fuck do I let her claim slenderman and cake are her checks when I'm the first person to call unbelievable bull shit? Nothing you say makes any sense. | ||
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On July 01 2018 08:13 Calix wrote: Your insistence on bringing this stuff up in the thread is going from 'annoying' to 'legitimately scummy' since a mod-kill on town ends the game. But then again, if you're trying to turn the mod into a vigilante as mafia instead of just winning as mafia the normal way then you can go fuck yourself. So make of that what you will. Scummy as hell for wanting slenderman dead by modkill who calix is currently scum reading but still calling me mafia. | ||
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On July 03 2018 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: LOL. Why does this mean fucking anything? Because you said mafia are in a bad spot due to there being no kill but if myself and calix are mafia then nothing changes with a no kill. Aka you're posting any pointless shit you can. | ||
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On July 03 2018 07:49 Calix wrote: Yeah, I think you're abusing that host bullshit as mafia. And if that person isn't getting mod-killed then this means nothing. Even if Slenderman did get mod-killed and flipped mafia, that doesn't clear you whatsoever. You can bus pretty hardcore when you want. So I abused it as mafia to try and get my mafia partner lynched for absolutely no reason other than I fucking hate lurkers and shit mechanics that prevent them dying. | ||
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On July 03 2018 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you, as town, lynched boxerfred out of fucking nowhere and then Mocsta on D2, then we probably deserve to lose the game. And why is that? What was wrong with my mocsta case that made that lynch so bad rayn? Please explain to the thread in baby words because you repeating it over and over again leads absolutely nowhere. | ||
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On July 03 2018 07:52 CopCake wrote: But what if slenderman is town? 🤔 and you know it? I don't know it. I just want people that ruin games to disappear. This isn't about what my perspective is either. It's calix's perspective. From her perspective she scum reads slenderman but still scum reads me for trying to kill slenderman. She even had to point out the one post crock of shit posting minimum rule we had which I had no idea about. | ||
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On July 03 2018 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta was very obviously town when he called Cake names and got mad at her for absolutely no reason. And when do I base anything off of emotional outbursts instead of logic and motivation? My case was really good. He had an emotional outburst at cop about how her reasoning was bad and he called me town and then he sheeped cop. I redid all of the deadline votes and worked out how his vote timings were really scummy in context of the thread. It all made SENSE. It wasn't a bad lynch at all. | ||
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On July 03 2018 08:00 Calix wrote: I see HF conveniently votes for me when he can put my wagon ahead of Slenderman's. Guess that "no lynching" stuff wasn't genuine after all ^^ I'd rather just be done with the game if you're town and nobody wants to vote no lynch even though we should. I've given plenty of reasons why slenderman is probably town too. | ||
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On July 03 2018 09:30 Calix wrote: Oh goodie. I won't actually be around for most of tomorrow - I have yet another stupidly long shift - but I don't have much else to add. It is not like giving reads will help much at this point. HF/ Slenderman are two obvious mafia but I still don't really know who the third mafia between Conversion and ShoCkeyy is. If it's Conversion then I think his mafia game has improved some ^^ This game had its moments but it felt like people stopped playing mafia after Day 1 and started baselessly accusing people and there weren't many people who really looked into why people posted what they did or even read the thread properly half the time. But I'm not here to get on my soapbox. I just don't think I'll be playing or hosting again. This is dumb as fuck. Not only do I not look like mafia nor do I look like I'm saving my teammate after asking for his modkill and declaring him a cheater pmer and town BUT YOU CAN'T DECIDE IF IT'S SHOCKEY OR CONVERSION WHEN I VOTED BF TO EFFECTIVELY SAVE SHOCKEYY LOL | ||
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On July 03 2018 09:49 Calix wrote: Is this some weird scumbrag where you tell me ShoCkeyy's your team mate because you know nobody's going to listen to me anyway? Because it sure looks like that. No it's a you don't give a shit about solving the game when from your perspective everything I've done would be to save shockeyy by lynching weird bf and nothing I've done is anything to do with conversion. You don't even remember it, that's the problem. | ||
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On June 28 2018 09:33 Holyflare wrote: 2018 power tier list sheep or die Calix TT Vivax Conversion Mocsta Koshi (potential to move up) Copcake Slenderman (why) Reg (possibly not with rayn) Shockey (possibly not with rayn) Rayn I was in a fairly good spot day 2 and then I decided to get coerced and push my town reads. Poor game from me. I should have chosen the other lurker to lynch d1. Also sorry if I was a dick to anyone. I tried really hard to be nice at the start of the game and then it kind of devolved after slender didn't get mk. | ||
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On July 04 2018 22:44 Conversion wrote: also I’m still confused as to why rayn didn’t counterclaim Koshi.. can someone explain to me He thought koshi was protecting him by saying he saved him and would be shot the next day. If we no lynched koshi wouldn't be dead and he'd be definitely mafia and we'd still have the actual medic alive and the parity. | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On July 05 2018 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: this is not true. mafia can always kill me and rb calix even if koshi is the real medic. i was planning to write a post where i say Koshi is like 80% mafia i die instead of him just before the next day. It was a good play from him as either alignment. No-lynch doesn't solve anything since the same thing can just happen. Like you can do (if Koshi is medic): N3 - kill rayn rb Calix (Koshi cant heal me) N4 - kill Calix rb Koshi (Calix dies 100%) N5 - kill Koshi no more checks no more saves guaranteed If mafia kill you over a "confirmed" medic that stopped their nk then fuck me I'd lynch myself. | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Alsooooooooo never in over 100 games has medic been able to heal themselves so it's absolutely non-standard. | ||
Holyflare
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