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Drinking my first coffee of the morning , happy to be playing mafia again. | ||
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On September 07 2018 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kelsier can you play the super-easy-to-read-as-town-Kelsier game once again if youre town? I will certainly try. But hopefully with less swearing and insults. | ||
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On September 07 2018 17:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well coffee isn't exactly your cup of tea.... But at least your flag is not sideways. ^^ I see what you did there. Do they do pan made coffee in iceland or is that just an old swedish meme | ||
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On September 07 2018 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have absolutely no idea what do they do in Iceland, you should ask Palmar. you're all the same | ||
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On September 07 2018 20:16 Kaley wrote: loop 31:05 - 16 from Liquid Rising for them dope beats That shit kroon | ||
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On September 08 2018 00:34 Sergiovan wrote: I HATE this post. Koshi is avoiding commenting on the read I posted while also trying to ally himself with me. ## Vote: koshi Koshi is a veteran player so you can assume his early comments are him being facetious rather than obviously bad mafia | ||
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It's a predetermined way of playing so you can't read from it, just going to let her have fun. I don't agree at all with vivax's comment that she is town because she voted rayn and that would be unlikely to go through. 1) Apparently she is new so has no idea about rayn's history 2) It's still the first day of the game in D1 and its a vote at the end of an enigmatic rhyme, you could vote to lynch Pat Buchanon and it wouldn't mean anything. Vivax is probably my top scum read right now due to this reason, his only "big post" had 3 comments that didn't give strong reads either way and then 50% gut instinct. I have a question for rayn as to why koshi is town and vice versa | ||
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On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote: I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf. Do you think Kaley is making a genuine push on rayn? | ||
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On September 08 2018 03:33 Vivax wrote: For that I'd have had to read the entirety of the post. ... So you town read her for making a "push" on someone who is hard to lynch but you don't even know if it's a real push. | ||
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I asked you first | ||
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On September 08 2018 03:50 Vivax wrote: I see no reason to think it should be fake? Rayn threatened to lynch her without really even trying to read into the post so that's a reason to vote off rayn from kaleys perspective. I'm just going to quote Kaley's post just so people don't have to flick back and forth. On September 08 2018 01:06 Kaley wrote: RIP Burt, Kelsiers not hurting he glad another game is churning Tides arent turning cuz there aint no tides yet nobody's got a concept of how to start shit worthwhile.. rayn is sipping his coffee too Qats a hater hatin on my my rhymin oh boo hoo votes a tron saying there ain't nothin to be townread n a resume n that i be spending effort i should go to bed but nah, this shits like breathin for me fool once i get into the groove i be spittin just to keep myself enthused ...y'all be trippin, if y'all think i should quit this sick spittahn all y'all gotta do is vote me outa tha game, your read is lame sergiovahn but don't be alarmed it's only page 2 you got a lot of chances ahead of you but don't you go 180 on yours tru ly i hope you keep me where I also happen to be cuz i'm town my homie as i said don't go degree on me but if you scum tho you're bout to fall on your face and then i'll be there to make a sick case but yo kayls I ain't no smurf i'm new to this turf and i'm the lesbatron so don't be callin me a he, sergio, son And don't you let qat give you that veteran crap nee duh my reads are rayn and qat to 2/3 be the .. mafia team i'm bout intervene just watch me Charlie Sheen n place this vote on rayn ftw. vote: raynpelikoneet Your conclusion is that. Kayles a smurf and knows that rayn is difficult to lynch. But she genuinely thinks he is mafia for posting that he hates roleplay shit. Therefore she has pushed him with the above , despite there being nothing about this in the post and no real reason for rayn being mafia, "notice in the post she calls qat out for "hating on her rhyme"). Because of this serious attempt to lynch rayn she is town? | ||
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On June 26 2018 23:58 Vivax wrote: As mafia it's your main concern how others perceive your alignment. As town it's only your concern when you think that someone not doing it is mafia for it cause you believe you have a strong reason to be townread, which I don't think cop should have. Granted this doesn't take into consideration that given their relationship or w/e it is it might be her own way to read rayn but since there is no visible followup I can safely assume that it led to no read anyway and the above applies instead. You would think her priority is to deliver a read on rayn here but the followup is to pick a bone with Calix instead. Ignore the last two paragraphs as they refer to a different player. It seems to me that by voting Qat who is voting her, and voting rayn she is in fact concerned with how others perceive her alignment especially when they wouldn't have a good reason to townread her. | ||
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There isn't even a reason given for why she voted rayn so how can you take this push to be genuine. | ||
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On September 08 2018 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck, i try to make this very simple. If Kaley is a smurf, she is always mafia, because the vote on me is either garbage, or she is intentionally doing nothing. And you townread her for that. That's my problem with you Vivax. alternatively kaley could be a smurf town just dicking around voting you. gut vivax has stated he believes the push is genuine so that doesn't make his reasoning sound either. | ||
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On September 08 2018 21:30 Holyflare wrote: I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned. Will try and post more. Yeh I don't understand calling you "pants on head retarded" after you made one post about kaley's rhymes. @vivax On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote: I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me. That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however. at any time you could have said it was just a bad read based on nothing but you defended your read and acted that kaley was pushing rayn with a valid reason. On September 08 2018 03:50 Vivax wrote: I see no reason to think it should be fake? Rayn threatened to lynch her without really even trying to read into the post so that's a reason to vote off rayn from kaleys perspective. Honestly this weird thing where you have now come back and said it "wasnt a real read" and then Koshi saying On September 08 2018 20:57 Koshi wrote: Oh damn. He did what I thought town Vivax would do. I even remembered something in the shower I didn't like: imho that line wasn't needed but now that I reread it isn't as bad as I thought. Anyway. Vivax tip top town just looks really weird and contrived between the two of you. I can't say you are both mafia but I think one of you definitely is. | ||
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I think Koshi is very weird and gives me a bad feeling but not enough to lynch on. There's about 5 people who haven't posted so no idea what's going to happen with that but everyone else I sort of have reasons not to lynch. | ||
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On September 09 2018 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: My vote is not on Kaley for policy. My vote is on Kaley because after deciphering his posts the only thing that he has said is a scumread on me and a scumread on Qatol for apparently no other reason than us calling out anti-town behavior (lol). It's literally super ridiculous reasoning to scumread anyone, especially since both me and Qatol have NOT ONLY focused on him in this game, aka there is also other content to analyse. Those scumreads cannot be legit because they are based on a reasoning that doesn't make anyone mafia and anyone with half brain can understand that. And i don't automatically assume people who play this game are stupid. Basically he is present but not playing mafia, and i associate that with alignment mafia. I am gonna downgrade Kelsier too because i have absolutely no idea where that Serge scumread comes from and why does he have to couple him with Vivax (i mean why not only push Vivax if he strongly thinks Vivax is mafia?) there, after completely zero mentions of the guy all game before now. could just read and ask me | ||
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Sergio would be a good lynch. ##Vote: Sergiovan | ||
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On September 10 2018 23:51 Qatol wrote: Kelsier: why are you voting for Sergio? You start focusing on Sergio with this post (which happened during the day 1 lynch): At this point, the only person to call him out is Koshi (as being connected to HolyFlare). Plus, your post comes one post after you yourself called out Koshi: When rayn asks you about it, you just say he should read the thread and ask you. This is me asking you. In your most recent vote, you say you're voting him because of Koshi's read. Do you have any special reason to trust Koshi's reads other than because he flipped town? His read was contingent on HolyFlare flipping mafia because he saw a connection between Sergio and HolyFlare, which didn't happen. Why do you still think his read was correct? Well he flipped town and mafia thought he was right enough to kill him. Furthermore I didn't think Sergio's reaction to Holyflare was genuine and before that he felt quite stilted to me. The fact I found Koshi suspicious isn't relevant at all. | ||
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On September 11 2018 07:27 Damdred wrote: Hi kel, how are you old feiend? I'm ok, how are things with you? | ||
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H My vote on sergio is just looking at Koshi's reads, Sergio's strange response to HF and the way he went about asking his questions , which felt like "this is how town should play". However again there's a lot of question marks due to the large number of AFK's. RoL and Meapak are pretty much done at this point. But guys like prplhz , rels, damdred havent done anything at all. prplhz especially just looks like spam to avoid a modkill. It feels wrong to lynch someone like vivax or sergio who are playing the game and letting people who aren't doing anything slip through. My plan is to hover around at deadline and look for someone trying to dodge the modkill with some meaningless posts and lynch that guy. Realistically all we have to go on is the mafia kill of koshi. I can see 3 different reasons. 1) They read Koshi as a role 2) Koshi had good reads 3) Koshi is a good player and a good medic dodge. 1) Did Koshi really say anything that screamed he was a role, I don't see it. If you did read him as a role you assume he'd use his power on HF, Sergio or Qatol. That wouldn't necessarily incriminate anyone right as if you think you found a blue you just kill them. Can anyone give me a post from Koshi that looks blue ? The only other option I see is that mafia is good enough or familiar enough with Koshi to read him as blue based on very little , or at least his game being different from town and mafia know he isn't mafia so must be blue. I'd only give Rayn that much credit. 2) Koshi having good reads , well he had HF as mafia and that was wrong but he had Sergio and Qatol as mafia which makes the two of them look bad. I'm not sure of the two of them who it makes worse. 3) If no one is really close to mafia you just lynch a good townie. Rayn and HF are N1 medic targets or rayn could be mafia so you just kill the next best guy which would be Koshi. Sticking point behind a Rayn being mafia theory is that Rayn and Koshi townread eachother pretty hard. So I see two helpful scenaris Rayn is mafia and killed Koshi as they have familiarity etc and potentially rayn could read him as blue Kosih was killed for his reads which would make Sergio or Qatol mafia, of the two i'd prefer Sergio. I've rambled on a lot here as I try to order my thoughts. So my play is to stay active at deadline then lynch into any AFK trying to ninja post/vote. But i'm keeping eyes on rayn and sergio. | ||
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On September 11 2018 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think i want to lynch Kelsier. cool | ||
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The only thing I have to work with is the Koshi night kill so I posted my thoughts on it, even asking for people to link me posts where koshi hinted at blue and I get called mafia and people saying "what the heck is this" I am voting sergio at the start of the day because of the Koshi nightkill and my own thoughts on D1. I still have vivax as scum but im using the new information for my vote. However as there hasn't been anything contributed this day and we have a bunch of AFK's i would rather lynch one of those NOW. I haven't unvoted sergio yet. | ||
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I'm surprised you group Vivax together with Sergio as "playing the game" but prplhz and Rels as not. I agree Sergio is contributing. The other three seem to have contributed about the same amount to the conversation, unless you count arguing over whether Kaley was a smurf or lightly townreading Kaley without reading. This may be true, I was interacting with vivax and he was in the thread earlier than the other two so in my mind he has been a more active participant. | ||
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On September 12 2018 00:12 Qatol wrote: Okay, my apologies for that comment. You are completely right, I shouldn't have said that. I was just a little surprised because you clearly took quite a bit of time to say almost exactly the same things I did. This is also something I wasn't aware of; his first game seems to be ~2 years after I stopped following the site closely. As far as I'm concerned, Ver is still the best mafia player on the site. I am curious what statements from HolyFlare and Koshi you're relying on to vote Sergio. There was this comment from Sergio which I mentioned I didn't like. On September 08 2018 13:45 Sergiovan wrote: Holyflare appears either pants-on-head-useless or mafia. Over 24 hours into the game and he appears just to place an awful vote with literally no reason. Hf: do you genuinely believe that Kaley is scum, if so why? People who know holyflare: is this behavior possible from a town HF? That is, is he bad enough to do nothing day one besides avoid a modkill but also be town aligned. This felt wrong to me, completely out of proportion to what had happened. A lot of the game hadn't even posted at that time and he lashes out at hf really strongly. I'm looking back over what Koshi wrote and he didn't make a "sergio is mafia for X" reasons. He did reference a scum read on him several times though. An example comment. On September 08 2018 21:26 Koshi wrote: imho Sergio should stick to singing great belgian songs. 1) Why? pants on head because he voted somebody? Why? 2) Why? scum because he voted somebody? Why? 3) Why? townie who thinks they are making some slick play because he voted somebody? Why? Weird. Total weird. I've looked back over koshi's posts and it's a bit of a drunken mess but his main scum reads are you , sergio and hf. Hf is dead If I want to find reasons he was killed it's because either you or sergio are scum. Or he was read as a role and I think only rayn is familiar enough or good enough to do that. The third option is he was a town who was killed to dodge medic saves but that could be done by anyone so it isn't helpful. | ||
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His timing to pop up in the thread end of the night is oddly suspicious | ||
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Then posts some one liners as his "impression" of re reading the thread. Then he attacks you for defending yourself and not discussing night kills. His final reason to vote you at the start of the day (maybe to avoid mod kill for not voting) is that koshi and hf scum read you. Which isn't a bad reason but feels really convenient. So to answer your question. No I don't have a particularly good reason but he's an inactive and he feels bad so get him outta here. | ||
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On September 12 2018 00:40 Vivax wrote: I'm here now. Before I start getting back to posting about people in particular and who I think is mafia and not: I got a roleblock notification. oh nice | ||
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On September 12 2018 00:49 Qatol wrote: I don't see the post you're pointing to as being a scumread, more like calling Sergio out for not explaining his actions better. Koshi did push Sergio, but only as a conditional (i.e., if Holyflare then Sergiovan). Wouldn't that mean the mafia has every reason to leave Koshi alive and let him push holyflare for lynch day 2? I am not defending Sergio by any means, but I like arguments that make sense to me and this one doesn't. You said you are looking for reasons Koshi was killed and the strongest reason you can think of is because either Sergio or I am scum. You pointed out that he went after Sergio and myself. You mentioned HolyFlare is the best mafia player on the site. He was pushing me harder than anyone else. Further, Holyflare's very last post said this: Why aren't you pushing me? Why Sergio? Because I had my own reason to scumread Sergio aswell as the night kill. My impression is that Koshi had Sergio as a scumread. It being a convoluted reason isn't relevant to my logic. Honestly you do bring up a good point that I could push you aswell , You are a good fit for mafia based on the night kills. but you seem to be playing the game at the moment and we don't have enough of that. | ||
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On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote: Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account. It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF. Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance. But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him). Going to take my scum read off vivax. | ||
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If this looks like a sheep and a massive contradiction to what i've been saying , that's because it is. ##Vote: Qatol | ||
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On September 12 2018 01:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oh shit lul | ||
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On September 12 2018 01:13 Qatol wrote: rayn, I haven't forgotten you. I think you overstate your case a little bit, but you have a couple of good points. You've played enough games to know that people will sometimes vote for the person that was being accused by the night kill target. I can absolutely see a townie voting for Sergio based on Koshi's posts (even though I think Koshi's argument has fallen apart). I don't think he ever said he was voting Sergio based on HF's reads (though why isn't he looking at HF's reads more closely if he thinks HF is a better player than Koshi? just because of the night kill?) Easily your strongest point is this: I absolutely agree on this point and would like Kelsier to explain the logic behind this point. At the end of the day, everyone in this game signed up to play. If they are at all interested in playing more in the future, why wouldn't they try to dodge a modkill? This looks to me like a push to, at best (assuming proportional inactives between the mafia and town), to take a shot in the dark prayer, hoping to hit mafia. I would like to see Kelsier respond to some of these points before I vote him though. On a related point, I strongly disagree with anyone who thinks that lynching an inactive at this point is the best policy. We have no way to identify whether they are town or mafia whatsoever, except by process of elimination. Plus we know that at least someone from the mafia is participating in the game (or there wouldn't have been a night kill). The odds are simply not behind a blind shot in the dark. it's not a strong point and I already explained it. I voted sergio at the start of the day when I had my own feelings and some vote logic. However as the day has progressed circumstances changed and I decided to change my vote. So I voted someone I was planning on lynching and unvoted when I wasn't. If rayn had bothered to ask i'd have explained it then. | ||
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On September 12 2018 01:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Game started Ok I think the early Kaley votes were stupid, I'd say people who went after Koshi D1 look ok since scum don't usually like to shoot into someone they're trying to mislynch. I really really want to feel good about Qatol but its been so long since I've seen him play or read any games with him.. Depending on how much time I have to read today before the cycle ends I may end up picking a Koshi read and sheeping that. You think the votes on the person who has flipped town were incorrect? wow you are some sort of mafia wizard. | ||
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Just consolidate votes because right now mafia just vote on whichever rando target isnt them and this lynch is a crap shoot. HF and Koshi both had Qatol as scum, looking at the night kills koshi is a great one for qatol to make but he didnt count on hf being shot. it's a genuinely solid lynch and should be a good one. The AFK lynch is a crap shoot and any votes there are bad and make you instantly scummy, any "reason" for rels or damdred or RoL or prpl at this point is sort shitty. You can pick another person if you legitimately make a good case on them, fuck you can think rayn is right and vote me I wont give a shit just dont vote on an AFK and peace out. | ||
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On September 12 2018 15:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm gonna blatantly setup speculate right now and say that RoL is honestly probably town which is keeping him from being modkilled otherwise town would have already lost. Since it looks like Qatol is right and we'll be lylo tomorrow, I'd really not like to spend that lynch on an inactive. I really think we should be focusing on Rels, I didn't really like any of his activity today. I have some other dumb speculative reasons but I'll type out a longer post tomorrow. I had a 13 hour flying day today so I need to go to bed. Well in the OP it is stated that people won't be modkilled for failing to vote or low activity. | ||
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Like telling us we should focus on Rels and having to wait for a reason, I just dgaf | ||
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On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote: Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account. It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF. Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance. But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him). I'm thinking why vivax was killed, he was town read by some and scum read by some, however his major scum read after damdred was Qatol and only activity was saving him. On September 13 2018 08:27 Qatol wrote: Just to be clear, ##vote Rels On September 13 2018 08:26 Qatol wrote: What "most reasonable points" against me? This is the type of post that gets everyone confused later (and mirrors the posts made about HF and Koshi, which lack real substance). Please point to a specific post if you're going to say this. Otherwise, it just turns into the same game of misguided telephone I've spent most of the game trying to defuse. Are you talking about post 333? As far as your Rels read goes, as I stated before, I'm inclined to agree. On September 13 2018 07:05 Qatol wrote: I like prplhz for mafia. Your case on rels makes sense to me. I'm honestly not sure about the third one; this is where I had vivax. I think they have someone who noticed Koshi blueslipping, so it would have to be someone relatively perceptive. Rayn meets that criteria (and honestly, I think the town has already lost if rayn is red). These quotes show he is setting himself up to lynch whatever AFK is town and win, which is at odds with his previous approach to not lynching AFK's. These reason and night kill logic almost confirm qatol as mafia ##Vote: Qatol | ||
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On September 13 2018 20:07 prplhz wrote: #316 Here he says that he is voting for Sergovian but he's down with lynching into some AFK people semi randomly. #327 Here he says kind of the same, he'll lynch anyone except "you" (Qatol) and raynpelikoneet. #537 Now suddenly he wants to lynch Qatol. Even though Qatol was one of the only two people he didn't want to lynch before and even though the reasonable (setting himself up to lynch semi-arbitrarily into AFK people) was the exact same thing as KelsierSC was doing. Additionally, KelsierSC scumreads Qatol for the N1 kill on Koshi which really doesn't point to anyone. I guess this is sort of what raynpelikoneet already complained about but I'm slow. You think it's bad to think about the game, read other people's post and analyse night kills? I mean you haven't read any of my posts because I already explained to rayn why I was voting sergio at the BEGINNING of D2. I didn't want to lynch rayn or qatol at that time because they were the only active people in the game. Then I thought about things, read koshi again. read hf. read vivax's case on qatol and it was the optimal lynch. I don't know why you are adding in extra bits like "suddenly" I want to kill him. I voted for him d2 and i'm voting the same person again. Honestly you post is so horrendously awful you are mafia or just unbelievably moronic town. | ||
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Additionally, KelsierSC scumreads Qatol for the N1 kill on Koshi which really doesn't point to anyone. who were koshi's scumreads d1? | ||
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No one is listening or using logic so not much point posting. lets vote rels because some guy who wasn't here for 2 days posted a bunch of nonsense. Rels is basically an AFK tbh so its bad you want to risk the whole game on that. I'm not going to convince you that you're mafia but until people want to engage their brain and play the game a little then we just lose. | ||
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Thanks for hosting and well played mafia. | ||
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