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So even if the pardoner can have the power to push us back a day, remember the pardoner has to use their role wisely in order not to piss off the town. There will be a lot of pressure on this role. | ||
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So even if we save one person with pardon, (If they are innocent) it's just like town missing. The pardoner fucking up to me seems like pressure could be caused, unless the pardoner is planning to die (which case they were probably mafia and just gave their team an advantage). Vivi, don't make assumptions about if the pardoner can pardon themselves. (Though if they could, that would be really stupid in my opinion). Also vivi just pardoning would be a disadvantage in general according from what I understand from your response to me. If we have to have a pardoner we need someone who is yeah, good at behavioral and clue analysis but not mafia. The later is hard to prove! This is a vets game, from what i was able to gather, there are people who are good at hiding that they are mafia. We can't make Pardoner a life or death role. We have to give it to someone who is good, but we have to watch this person carefully. Cause they might fuck us over intentionally or not (pending on if the right person has the role and if they are mafia or not). To me this role is pressured especially for town, you can't fuck up or you hurt the town. If your mafia well i guess the role is great especially if you plan to die. It just buys them time, but it also means we can double lynch =\. But yeah, you're right, we lost a day, but either case we would lose a day, it might be a sacrifice we have to make and prepare for. guarantying is hard, we just have to prepare for it cause whether the pardoner is mafia or not, once they pardon someone it is a lynch lose just like if we were to hit the wrong person. | ||
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On May 17 2009 08:38 Mynock wrote: Here's my take on the Pardoner: I believe the first lynch, which is essentially a roll of dice, can be pardoned. Unless of course, there is some solid evidence about anyone in particular, but that's rarely the case on Day1. Another idea is to make the first lynch a democratic one. If I'm voted into office and the Town agrees to this idea, I will make a separate thread where everybody can vote for the first day lynch, and I will act upon it. This eliminates those doubts L brought up. Also, there is no problem with the Pardoner pardoning a Mafia. If it's an obvious candidate and the Pardoner uses his skill, then the Town has 2 CONFIRMED Mafia. No, they won't play that move to save themselves a day. It's nothing the Town can't fix the next day with a Double Lynch, unless, how Ace already pointed out, it's towards the end of the game, but by that time, we'll know a lot more about the elected people's allegiance anyway. Also, even tho IDEALLY it's great to have a Medic and a DT in office, REALISTICALLY it won't work. You can't tell people "vote on whoever you think feels like a Medic!", it obviously won't work. Also, it's not in Town's interest to publicly discuss who could be a blue, only who's red. Obviously, the circle is narrowed down for Mafia, so we don't want to give them any hints, right? So, I can only repeat myself and Ace when I say, there is almost no difference between the two office roles. And realistically, we want able people in the office, people who can aid the Town as long as possible. Since Ace also joined the campaign, it'll be interesting to see how things turn out eventually. I'd be comfortable with either Ver or Ace in office, but personally, it's perhaps a bit harder for me to read Ver than Ace Also, where's Plexa, where's Camlito? I highly agree with him right here. He said some things that were exactly in my mind. | ||
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So the question is if someone get's pardoner should we just make the game plan for them to never use their roles power? Then the whole goal will be will to at least make sure mafia doesn't get this role, cause obviously when they decide the time is right, they will use it whether it is to screw with us and by them more time, or just save another mafia member. So i guess the question is, should the town agree that the pardoner should never use their power? | ||
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Either case, if you know 3 blues, fine great for you, but I sure as hell don't. But to me it seems like you want these blues to start running for office, when in a way now mafia might have an idea, well maybe those people who ran for office are blue, so let's focus on them. It might be the best intention for all these blues to run. But doesn't change the fact it would be good for at least 1 or 2 into the office, but then the rest (if they tried to run) may have uped their chances to look like blues and for mafia to focus on them. it's not like the medics can protect them if mafia decides to focus fire. Also I would like our blues to be more careful, we don't know who is mafia yet, but it's not good if people are figuring out who you are, especially cause of this office race. Cause we do have people who are good at figuring out roles and if they are mafia, then they will get rid of you quick. | ||
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On May 17 2009 10:18 0cz3c wrote: I would like to note that my candidacy is not one based on a power play. I am but a mere townie. If anyone else would like to claim a role in order to enhance his OR HER chance to win election, then by all mean, please feel free to do so. I, however, do not wish to tarnish my good name. So I won't lie. And isn't that doubtlessly the most important quality a town could hope for from a leader (that is to say, a mayor or pardoner)? Again, I remind everyone that I am running for mayor. I will not offer a thing; however, I encourage all to vote for me. Together, we can somehow elect me! ! I give you my support by voting someone else. | ||
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I think he is joking ;p | ||
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On May 17 2009 11:42 HeavOnEarth wrote: hey ver how do we know you're not mafia and this isn't just a ploy to make sure he doesn't get votes; so that you're ensured mayor? EASY! We don't. That is why you kinda have suspect everyone but try to work together at the same time. Maybe for the real good top vets that might change but unless you are one of them, you can never be certain. | ||
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On May 17 2009 12:23 infinity21 wrote: this is my first time playing mafia in a while.. I don't really know what's going on so I'm observing I'm pretty terrible at this game so I'm hoping to learn something Just remmember the goal in the game is to kill bloodycobbler and you should be fine. | ||
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I don't want to dwell to deep into it, cause it might cause confusion and chaos. Yeah what Nemy did is stupid, but i think it has become real distracting and let's just say someone in the mafia is trying to run in the office, well Nemy provided a good distraction imo. So let's not waste to much focus fire on him cause we already know what he did is either "Stupid" or he is a traitor/mafia. | ||
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I'm still uncertain if Nemy should have an office role, cause there might be someone better suited for the roles and possibly need it more, though I'm not 100% certain about it. Other then keeping a close on nemy I'm not sure what else to do. Nemy kinda put us in a pickle here =\. | ||
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But I definitely agree with bockit, we should focus on this election! We should also i guess consider the first lynch possibly? As far as medics go, we possibly can just focus on that after the election, we should still have plenty of time for that right? So let's look at our candidates, and try to make the best decisions. Cause yeah we could vote Nemy in, fine but that also means we can leave another important player vulnerable. So there might be a sacrifice no matter what, so pick the better of the two. Also even if you say we can just protect one with medic, but then we can still lose that player if mafia stacks hits. So just thinking "oh we protect nemy by giving him office and just use a med to protect a player who could be possibly more useful (analyzing wise)" is not good, cause mafia stacks, we lose our more skilled player. | ||
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When he first mentioned who he talked to. Either case, he has more then enough time to tamper with them. | ||
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On May 18 2009 03:10 LucasWoJ wrote: What is the malongo sense telling you? Am I at the 80% tricode was at in the beginning of last game? Again, you're clearly derailing the thread, lol. I'm going to respond to this and make you look even more retarded after the mayor's been elected. [/QUOTE] The what in who now? 80% of what? | ||
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On May 18 2009 03:36 MTF wrote: I know only two things in relation to this: 1. I logically should let the more experienced players views guide me into voting for Mynock/you. 2. I'm not going to learn anything by letting the more experienced players views guide me. If it's a mistake, it'll at least be a learning experience and I can look specifically at everything I did wrong. If my central mistake was not listening to everybody telling me I'm wrong, then that'll be what I learn. This game is more about the fun of being back in Mafia for me rather than setting up the game as secure and perfect as possible. I'll admit that openly. If my behavior is a bit less helpful than usual you know why. It's not really about guiding, it's more about who makes the best persuasion and logical point. Right now, ask yourself, what true benefit would we gain by having nemy in the office vs someone that is as good as Ace, Mynock, Ver, and ext. I highly suggest reading the posts and just thinking to yourself which seems to be the better choice. I stand by this, I completely agree with most of what Ace and Mynock is saying. I think what their reasoning is not to have Nemy in office out weighs the reasoning to have Nemy in office. | ||
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On May 18 2009 03:48 MTF wrote: I have read every post in the thread thus far and still stand by my decision. If Nemy is really a DT, then getting him permanent protection is worth it to me. As I don't feel he lied (and freely admit I could be wrong about that) I will vote for him, but only as a puppet to whoever has the other role. I don't think that Nemy would lead as well as anybody else running and so would not look to him to be the public voice. But I do feel that saving him is a benefit worth the risk. Well what you are doing for nemy would be basically the same idea for the more skilled players. So for instance, who would you rather have in office Ver or nemy. This would mean 1 would most likely die if not in office. So do you feel if Nemy was in office, that our chances of winning would be greater? IMO i think it would hurt us. Cause even if we can use Nemy for his DT abilities (If he is not lying) that is a skill once a night. Where Ver, Mynock, Ace, Cob's and ext. skills (if not even blue) are working at all time. Those skills to me are more valuable right there! An analyzer would be a lot more valuable cause they are working around the clock giving us this information. Nemy's part as a DT would only come in after these guys probably made a very good persuasive argument. Just as a note I'm not saying trust these guys full heartily I am just using them as examples/place holders, you can switch them with anyone who you think is trust worthy and a skillful analyzer. | ||
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I'll be back later guys. I don't know how long i'll be gone for. (having family over too to watch this game) | ||
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On May 18 2009 06:42 nemY wrote: Wait... you didn't want to lynch me before this? jk I don't get why you want my PMs so bad seeing as how they are merely exchanges between Incog and myself on who we feel are mafia candidates... something I'd rather not detail to the public. Incog can verify this if he feels like it. -As for the lying situation... yes I got caught lying. Last time I checked this game revolves a lot around deceit and dishonesty. It'll be interesting to read this game once it's over and see who was full of more shit: me? or you? (although we both know how that's going to turn out don't we?) Frustrates me so much. If you are innocent there is no real reason for you to lie. The moment you realized you did something so stupid you might as well have come out telling the truth. The only people who really need to be deceit and dishonest are mafia and those guys who are trying to lure mafia out. What was the point of even lying to the town? | ||
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We can just ignore him and if he is a dt we can try to use his r/c asap. And if Mafia kill him, meh he is going to die anyway right? Hmm, i know there is negative things about doing this, but i am just throwing it out there as just a thought. | ||
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On May 18 2009 11:32 Ace wrote: here we go again. Mafia managed to make people take votes off of me, and no one read Ver's post. Gotta love this town. If it makes you feel better, I read ver's post. | ||
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On May 18 2009 11:35 nemY wrote: I read Ver's post too! Kinda makes me think that he is the traitor Lol do you really think you're in a position to say things like this right now ;p? | ||
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On May 18 2009 11:33 fusionsdf wrote: why not protect him with medics, get him to do a role check and post it and then kill him after? That way if hes blue at least you get something out of it, and if hes mafia, he'll still be killed. It doesnt make a lot of sense to make him your first day lynch. If you lynch him first day and he turns out blue, I will be HIGHLY suspicious of you. I don't really think he should have protection. He fucked up bad. We shouldn't be wasting our resources on him imo. What if he turns to be the traitor? The whole point is, Nemy fucked up bad and there is a price to pay for that. Is his role that so important that we should give him a medic instead of someone else that could be more valuable? We only get 2 you know. In either case, Nemy looks like he will either get lynched or killed off by mafia. if he doesn't w/e he could still be traitor or we can use his R/Cs and C/Cs as fast as we can. (if he is DT, this is not a guarantee) | ||
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On May 18 2009 11:44 LucasWoJ wrote: Thought you were watching a redskins game with family or something. Or is that over? Was watching Redwings. Apparently it started at 3pm eastern standard time. When it finished, my cousin kinda left at 7eastern standard time. Then I went to best buy for this special thing they were having. Got me a free mini laptop moues and I won $50 bestbuy gift certificate in a raffle they had. I been catching up on the posts and putting my thoughts. Though right now I'm still really geeked and surprised i won. I was the first number called. | ||
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On May 18 2009 11:47 0cz3c wrote: Hey nemY, if you really wanted to prove that you're a DT, you'd place your vote on me. Let's hope that starts the bandwagon I'm expecting. I'll vote for you, after you get 10 votes for me ;p deal? | ||
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On May 18 2009 13:52 L wrote: No, i wasn't attempting to 'dominate' anything. My position was never that I was a superior player, ergo people should shut up and listen to me. I dealt with issues with reasoning. Mynock? I'm pretty sure I was pointing a "that bitch is suspicious" finger at him. Fine, he didn't make it into office. What is your concern? We can never fully trust Ver and Ace or you probably can and take that risk, that's up to you. But either case, I do believe it is better then nemy. If you want to talk about suspicion then, Nemy is one of the highest in suspicion of being the traitor, if he is not DT. There is not much we can do now anyways and even if we could do something before, if i recall correctly you only argued to get Nemy into office. You should of focused on getting people you feel that are less suspicious and still cause less trouble then Nemy did. For example BC or Showtime (if you consider them less specious and better candidates) you should have focused in trying to get them or who ever into office if you really didn't like the canadidates we chose. | ||
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On May 18 2009 14:03 L wrote: MY CONCERN IS THAT HIS TWO BEST BUDDIES DID, AND WE NOW HAVE A DT REVEALED. And I've said multiple times that I think that the way people voted for showtime was a bit off, not to the point of being mafia, but there was something very odd with a 4 vote surge all within 2 hours of each other then everyone gave up and showtime posted minimally. Yeah a DT revealed that should have never revealed himself or just a traitor. Either case, nothing can be done now for Nemy. So I suggest moving on for what is going to happen next. | ||
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On May 18 2009 15:26 L wrote: According to ace himself he has no consistent playing style. If he does, then you must recognize that a significant portion of his statements about his own actions are flat out lies. Contradiction. You staying silent until post vote is not maximizing the town's strengths either. This is very true. What someone else who revealed their role? Preposterous! I blame BloodyC0bbler. | ||
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On May 18 2009 15:38 MrBabyHands wrote: lol. everybody has patterns in their playing style... quirks in how they react to a situation that they cant easily hide. the good players have small quirks. but they're still there. but its certainly playing to my strength to sit back and collect data to use in my analysis. its what i do, and i do it well... its how i figured you out. I am curious what you mean by you figured L out. | ||
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On May 18 2009 15:47 Ace wrote: I really don't. You can list all the different behaviors I've exhibited in every mafia game and notice I do things differently most of the time. Sometimes I'm serious, sometimes I'm joking around, I may be nice, I may purposely fuck with people, sometimes I post shit just to amuse myself, Fishball and other people who find it funny - I'm like a human puzzle or some shit man. That wasn't my point. What i was saying whether it is true or not, it's what you believe/think. So if it is true then fine. if it is not, then you think it to be true. The point being is, you're not really lying if someone wants to call you out on it. Like i said it's stupid I'm not going to go further with this. | ||
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Try not to nit pick very specific parts to help your argument while you ignore the other parts of the arguments. and who is this Triforce by the way ;p? It's kinda funny (nice coincidence), cause that was the first name i was probably going to use when i was making a tl account. | ||
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On May 18 2009 16:10 Ace wrote: who? never heard of him. Jinx | ||
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On May 18 2009 16:22 L wrote: I'm not. A number of players stated flat out that they believed that nemy was not mafia, yet voted against him, or swung votes at the last minute. If someone believes Nemy is innocent, but votes against him, they are doing so either out of spite, which a number of players did and admitted they did. Go read the tricode post. Somehow the fact that the DT played contrary to his view of how a DT should play makes it acceptable that we now have a DT in the open if he was correct. Your number 1 problem is that you seem to fully believe he is DT. Number 2 problem is i never voted for Nemy. Number 3, Even if Nemy is innocent, there is a lot of us that are innocent! 23 to be exact. number 4 what I did is not out of spite, it's more out of picking the best option IMO. It's like you care less about our skillful players that really help town get through the game to Nemy who just has a blue role...and that's even if he does have a blue role. Number 5, this Nemy thing about him not being able to get into office is over. Get over it. Look to what we should do next. | ||
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On May 18 2009 16:58 Qatol wrote: TL was taken down for maintenance. There was an announcement about it posted briefly before it went down. Thanks. | ||
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On May 18 2009 18:19 L wrote: You don't suggest a new topic of discussion, yet I have, discussion gives us more potential to win. I have suggested a new topic earlier in my posts. I was only being vague that last time because there was still the topic of who to lynch. But there were also other maybe minor things we could look at. | ||
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Sorry for being absent for a while. Went to my uncles to eat and found myself staying there a bit longer then i would have liked. Also took a nap during the middle of the day. | ||
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On May 19 2009 14:12 Incognito wrote: Thus supporting the idea that he's most likely traitor dont ya think? He wants to kill you obviously because it would sabotage the town. Eliminate both elected positions. For free. No mafia deaths necessary. If he was traitor then how would he get them killed? That would mean he found a mafia member, which i don't know how good you have to be to find someone that is mafia and tell them with out the worry of accidentally telling a person who is not mafia and blowing your traitor r/c cover. | ||
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On May 19 2009 14:22 Incognito wrote: What??? Well this was in response to Ver so maybe you got confused since Ace posted right before me? Anyway I meant that Ver is likely traitor the way he's playing now. If he were mafia, this is quite frankly poor play. But if he were traitor, it would make sense. I'm not saying he told anyone he is traitor. But presumably Ver could have planned to get Ace killed (by the mafia) by killing off the BGs. BGs are dead, so both Ver and Ace can be night killed. Then both our elected town offices are down the drain, and Ace is dead (if he is town). Ver would also be dead, but it doesn't matter since he doesnt affect mafia KP. He would have wasted the two days for the town to eliminate him and thrown the town into chaos. Using L's terms, its a good risk to reward ratio isnt it? Nice play my friend. *edit...apparently the ":" sign before the "r" makes some weird smiley? The traitor thing doesn't make sense! Unless Traitor's role changed since the last time i looked at it. He can't kill people. He would have to mafia do it for him. | ||
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On May 19 2009 14:29 Incognito wrote: *sigh* He doesn't actually kill Ace he just allows Ace to be killed by the mafia. Since now there's no more BG protection .........i dont know what you are trying to qoute for or sighing about. I think there is some miss communication between us. | ||
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I might have just missed something. All i am saying is, Ver can't be traitor if you saying he offed his BG's. That would mean he found a mafia that trusted he was actually a traitor and trusted him and avoided talking to a townie who figured out he was traitor through pms or w/e. Point is, if Ver helped cause these deaths, then he is mafia. Though i think it could be possible luck what happened. But Traitor to me seems unlikely. | ||
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On May 20 2009 00:14 Incognito wrote: Oh. I get what you guys were saying about the unlikelihood of Ver being traitor. It makes sense, although if he's mafia that is awful poor play. Like you've said, this is a veteran game. Anyway, leaving Ver alive doesn't make sense either way as he is causing the town chaos, and even if he is traitor, that's 3 votes for the mafia.... I still feel more inclined about mafia then traitor. But I guess it doesn't matter which he may be at this moment. | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:08 L wrote: Why would Mafia not have voted him in sooner? Because mafia already HAD him in prior to nemY. Ver had a commanding lead, showtime had like 3 votes and Ace was sitting above that. No point stacking people on, might as well sprinkle mafia on other targets to lay low. When nemY happened, mafia didn't 'want' to have to voteswing Ace in, but nemY's candidacy forced some people to switch to him. Obviously you examine each voter independantly, but there are a number of late Ace voters that are fishy. Tricode, for instance, has been either been playing consistently stupid (and given last game I sadly concede that he's potentially that stupid without ulterior motives. So what do I do regarding a player like tricode? How do I crack his motivations? Well, I need date from Ace to complete the picture. Basically you're saying "mafia could have done many things" which is true. What doesn't change, however, is that mafia will push their members into office given a chance, and during this election there was clearly an opportunity go go x2 office, which is why I think we should prepare for that possibility. You know you're getting on my nervs. Keep me out of your stupid tangents and raves. You have brought my name quite a few times with a few insults here and there. If you can take some consideration, my last game was the first time I was ever townie. Before that I was just thrown into mafia with out a shit of a clue in what to do. Now if you would like to call me stupid this game. I would like you to present me with some sort of reasoning, other wise stop being a emotional cry baby about how since I didn't agree with you early on in the game = me being stupid. | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:20 L wrote: Why would you get offended that I call you stupid when you admit it a phrase before complaining about it? Derp Derp. Its the content of your posts rather than your position that make me think you're a dumb shit. Ace disagrees with me but I think he's being very smart about how he presents his arguments (or lack thereof). You, on the other hand? Dumb. What the hell are you talking about? Dude, i have been reading your posts about me, if you have a problem with what i have to say, have some reasonable argument and how it is stupid. It's not that I'm really offended I'm more annoyed with the crap you have to say. Also last that I checked, I seen more people calling you a dumb ass rather then me ;p . I also never admited about me being stupid. So i don't know what you are talking about. Either learn to read or stop saying crap. | ||
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Meh, if are going to kill them both, i hope they both turn red. I rather not waste time killing an innocent. I don't really want to help the mafia out. Though if one of them do turn to be townie, what should we say about you? Seems like you're a bit trigger happy buddy, ready to kill anyone that didn't agree with you eh? | ||
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Either case, if Ver dies and turns blue. That treasure of information will be how poop just came out of someone's ass and landed on our faces. Anyways let's see what happens. If we do have to kill both then I suggest Ace. If ver is telling the truth, vig can just hit him. he will lose that 1 up but if vig calls out on it, then we can at least keep ver alive. So we don't lose as much. | ||
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On May 21 2009 12:13 MTF wrote: And with Caller's switch we have Ver & Ace tied at 11 each. Wonder why Caller voted for me in the first place, after all. Uh oh >_> <_< who will tricode vote for? | ||
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On May 21 2009 12:24 Incognito wrote: Hmm...just read Ver's post...and was about to post my list of suspects here. Malongo Tricode BloodyC0bbler Ace L MBH Maybe scaramanga. Reasons: Malongo: Been too quiet. Usually acts more stupid. Tricode: Way too active last game when he was green. Has said like nothing this game. BloodyC0bbler: Has some weird logic. This one's lower on my list though. Ace: Possibly traitor. Dunno. L: This L vs. Ace thing makes me think L is probably something.... MBH: too quiet. Also three blue deaths doesn't make him look any better. Ofc there are a lot of other potential behavior analysts out there, but MBH hasn't said too much. At all. Finishing reading the post now...hopefully before voting ends. I was very active in the beginning this game. well not the first day but after that. (First day i couldn't find thread and i think i had school) My classes tues. and thursday are from 1-7:30 pm and I need to leave an hour early for school. yesterday i wasn't feeling good. when i came back from class. i watched redwings game and went straight to sleep. Today i been playing catch up. As far as what's being commented so far there were people i agree with and disagree with but at those times they were past posts for you guys. Right now, i am just reading and debating on who to vote for. | ||
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On May 21 2009 15:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Day 1 use of arrows would link to qatol being a naga from l5r Oh shit, we have to make sure to lynch qatol asap. | ||
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On May 22 2009 05:44 L wrote: Okay, I've done my day 1 reading. nemY's probably mafia. In fact, when the day 3 rolls around, I'm pretty sure it'll be 100% confirmed for various reasons. Tricode, I am 90% certain, is a fucking stupid townie, but a townie nonetheless. Mynock, I am 90% certain, is legit as well. Scamp looks very red :3 Some thoughts. Ace and Ver were innocent. During the opening phases of the election, mafia would have likely put 1 or 2 on either/or in order to be able to cut support and spread out their members in order to hide them. Mafia would have a candidate running, though. Likely Showtime. Earlier on the scene than nemY, showtime had a burst of votes very quickly on the premise that he's a douchebag. Bandwagon forming activity which was then abandoned rapidly when Ace said that all candidates would be checked. Ver pulled far ahead and mafia realized that even with a 2 vote swing (from Ver to Showtime), Ver could remove support from showtime and end the incipient steal. After abandoning Showtime, nemY pops up and then goes afk for the majority of the game after failing at getting office. Hey, I'm 110% your the most retard townie here. Every person you seem to want to lynch turns out to be a townie. You only accuse townies so far we got a count of 2 people. Congrats fucktard. I onn the other hand was very hesitant to vote for them. Not because i believed they were 100% townies, but because i wasn't sure they were actually mafia yet, though i did find things odd. So in those regards, you are a well played mafia/traitor or you are on a newb killing spree. Have fun killing more innocents. | ||
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Now they would either have to stack or go after others. =\ | ||
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Then I would like to say good job L. I still won't take back the things i said about you though. | ||
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Even if you did figure out his role, the guy seems to be taking all the credit for himself for caller when he fucked up with Ace and Ver real bad and tries to shift his idiocy onto someone else. You said you you pmed him Thursday? Before or after Ace and Ver's deaths? | ||
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On May 23 2009 04:09 MrBabyHands wrote: In the interest of keeping the town on track for once, I will be outting mafia in small numbers instead of one big post calling out names-- in past games, that has just caused the town to start pointing fingers yet again and the votes end up split all over the place. So I will list my newest top suspect (caller was my last top suspect. he didnt last. nobody can withstand the babyhands. But to quickly address tricode's inquiries: + Show Spoiler + L protected me last night. I decided to contact L several hours after the ace and ver debacle when there were talks of vigi'ing me. After figuring out his role I PMed L my top suspects in case i died. I also asked for medic protection because i was certain dreamflower would target me and all my analysis would be lost before it was complete (i dont post my accusations until i'm positive AND have proof to back it up.) L agreed with my suspects list. Shortly before the night was over, apparently he got in contact with dreamflower (even asked for her in the thread). I guess he managed to convince her to hit caller instead. And now here we are. No L, no df-- just me with my info and a bullseye on the reds. I never actually asked L to post in the thread tho-- that was all him. Here we go ---------------- When compiling evidence, i find it useful to concentrate on 3 areas: Suspicious behavior, suspicious voting, and suspicious clues. Caller had all 3. and now someone else does-- 0cz3c. Suspicious behavior: + Show Spoiler + First, theres this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93286¤tpage=77#1528 By the way, at least one of the following three is mafia. Caller RebirthofLegend nemY I may be simply pulling this out of my ass. However, 0cz3c's senses are tingling. Its not the fact that he actually listed a mafia in there (caller), but that he makes no attempt to even justify it. "senses are tingling"-- even i dont do that. Senses mean nothing without proof, and this just makes no sense. To add, if you read the post right above that, 0cz3c is lashing out at malongo for suggesting that they discuss who to vigi, including a list of names, one of which was 0cz3c. A wise old man once told me "A hit dog will holler." Earlier in the game, he sad: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93286¤tpage=45#891 Caller should be getting protection from at least one medic, by the way. come on y'all... look at that shit. In retrospect its pretty blatant isnt it? moving right along. Next, suspicous voting: + Show Spoiler + Mayor vote: voted for ver, switched to ace, then finally ended up on Mynock wishy washy voting among 2 innocents, then landing on a third party. This does NOT imply that Mynock is red tho. Instead, it implies that 0cz3c is trying to swing things to the mafia's favor. It was clearly the mafias GOAL to get 2 greens elected-- look at the votes. They knew a good portion of time would be spent figuring out if the leaders are red-- made even more likely with efficient blue sniping the night before-- specifically the fishball and Lucas kills. Which is EXACTLY what happened. Day 2 lynch vote: switched from ace to ver. again, switching between these two. a mafia would've known they were both green. a mafia wouldnt particularly care much who got lynched. that was the plan all along, wasnt it 0cz3c? a mafia would vote for one, or the other. with a possible slight preference for ver due to the controversy it would cause. and finally, suspicious clues: + Show Spoiler + I admit, this was a bit more difficult to find-- Quatol has an interesting clue style, unlike any i've seen before. 0cz = OCZ OCZ is a company that manufactures RAM (in fact, i have a pair of OCZ DDR3's in my comp right now). The company even makes a type of RAM called tripple channel. (3c) http://www.ocztechnology.com/ The day's clue mentioned "bowling" into someone. The 3rd day, its "ramming". Ram is actually mentioned twice in the clue: He charged towards the struggle and rammed into the plant. He proceeded to trample consistent with the clues becomming a bit more obvious over time. kaboom. Bonus evidence: + Show Spoiler + Lucas got blue sniped shortly after getting BG. 0cz3c and Lucas are brothers-- of course he's gonna be able to tell faster than anyone else if his bro has an important role. The facts are in your faces. Lets wrap this shyt up. Each of these pieces of evidence considerd individually would'nt paint the picture we require to prove guilt. But when you consider them all together-- shady behavior, matching clues, "random" blue BG snipe on day 1... smh. so to sum up: we get rid of 0cz3c, and we keep it truckin. MBH: *raspy voice* i am The Babyhands. i eat mafia for breakfast. extra milk. Mafia: omg wtf its the gotdamn Babyhands! run for your lives! MBH: Yes, thats right, my little cockroaches. Run... run faaar faaaaar away. But no matter how far you get, i will be behind you... breathing on your heels. You feel it, dont you? You feel my breath on your ankles... thats how close i am. I'm commin for that azz. Thank you for answering my questions. I kinda knew my questions about L were a bit bias cause he angered me earlier from his uncalled for remarks on me. I also agree with some of your 0cz3c reasoning. Much you have to say makes sense. Though do you have another suspected person you would like us to look at? I do believe we have a double lynch. | ||
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[QUOTE]On May 23 2009 04:09 MrBabyHands wrote: TOWN, THIS IS AS CLEAR A MAFIA AS HE CAN BE. MYBABYHANDS IS MAFIA. LYNCH HIM. TRICODE IS ALSO PROBABLY MAFIA, AS HE'S DEFENDING THE LEGITIMACY OF SUCH INCREDIBLE STUPIDITY ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. I BEG YOU TO VOTE AGAINST HIM. HE IS ALMOST 100% MAFIA. I WILL MODKILL MYSELF RIGHT NOW. AND I WILL ASK QATOL OR LTT TO SHOW IT IN WRITING (THAT I'M MAKING THE CONTRACT). READ MY POST, PLEASE. [/QUOTE] I only said much makes sense (not everything), but I do see your point as well. You have things in your argument that make sense as well. But to be honest i only read both of your arguments 1 time. This is something I am going to have to read a few times between the both of you over and over again and try my best to pick the most reasonable choice. I will also have to see what you guys say later as well. Ocz3c. I highly recommenced not pissing people off when you make your point. It's one of Ace's bad traits that kinda get's him killed. I'll say this if you think I'm mafia. Go find some nice solid evidence. You probably won't. So if you don't like the what could be the weak evidence put against you. Then don't do the same crap to me. I'm not going to defend mrbabyhands. In fact, I still have my suspicions. I want to know who else he suspects though. he says he has tons of information. Though we do have evidence that looks like it can link to him. So I want to see this 'information' he wants to dish out at us. Cause we have a double lynch and i'm going to take guess and think he is one of the candidates until proven otherwise. Right now i think many of us are really trying to get our barrings straighten out. Now here is a thing. Mrbabyhands did use L to help convince DF to kill caller. Any ideas why OCz3c? In either case. I once again suggest doing your best for the town with much information you can provide. I am sure there some of us who read long posts. I for sure as hell do. But at the same time that means i have to actually take more time to sit down and register what you said and compare it with other information. Meaning you might not get a response or by the time you would receive a response it would be to late cause new information has come out. | ||
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I'm going to take my own advice and help the town till the end. I'll go with this, BloodyC0bbler screwed up in his inner circle when Caller was in it. L screwed up with pointing fingers at Ace and Ver. And Right now we got lucky to get Caller killed. it seems to weird that L figured it out in the last second (with the help of Mrbabyhands) to get caller. Even after talking with me on the forums Caller for some reason says he screwed up and just admits he is mafia. Showtime I would like you to please analyze a little more before you make your voting decision if you are really confident about your abilities then you will realize that i am not mafia. Don't screw up like Ver and Ace did. | ||
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It's almost like saying "hey let's keep mod lynching our townies so we can narrow down mafia" I haven't done the math, but I think we should do our best to get 2 mafia's down asap. None of this mod kill shit. We need to lower their kp. | ||
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We might actually be okay unless we keep our bad streak of killing townies. | ||
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On May 24 2009 00:55 Scaramanga wrote: Anyway what i can gather from the past few days so far is that this is the most likely list of mafia the town has so far 1. Vivi (sweet clue analysis from MTF) 2. Heavonearth (solid behavior analysis from malongo) 3. nemy (self explanitory) 4. Tricode (solid clue analysis from bc I urge you all to vote one of these four, im voting for vivi and idk which one of the other three but at this point tricode seams to be mafia to me his clue analysis about me isn't that solid, but yeah he does have maybe some that may look like they can link to me, but i would not say they're strong. | ||
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On May 24 2009 04:58 MTF wrote: Jesus, the votes are all over the place. As for using BC's analysis to lynch, I only see one potentially strong link among the clues: It makes sense and it's consistent with that single Mafia member. That said, while most of his points do make some sense, they're scattered. Reading the kills, one must note that there are consistent characters, which means that the clues should not be scattered between different Mafioso. Which makes me confused on why so many people are suddenly jumping on Tricode. Unless all of you voting for him have information (like a rolecheck) that is driving you, then the reasoning just doesn't check out. There is not much evidence, and what little exists is presented in sparse fragments. Current Vote Count: + Show Spoiler + HeavOnEarth: 3 Malongo BloodyC0bbler Amber[Light] Nemy: 1 Malongo BloodyC0bbler: 1 Incognito Tricode: 5 Plexa Scamp Scaramanga BloodyC0bbler Amber[Light] 0cz3z: 2 MrBabyHands HeavOnEarth MrBabyHands: 4 0cz3c Scamp RebirthOfLegend Fusionsdf Vivi57: 6 MTF 0cz3c Nemy RebirthOfLegend Scaramanga Fusionsdf Abstain: 3 Plexa MTF HeavOnEarth Haven't voted at all: 5 Bockit Camlito Showtime! Vivi57 Tricode Has only used one vote: 4 Incognito MrBabyHands Nemy HeavOnEarth WTF Random Votes: 2 Mynock (x2) At this rate, with this amount of spread (and up to six people to place where they're needed) Mafia controls this vote. Don't worry MTF, if there are those who are townies and know what they are doing work hard enough, they will find me innocent. But if not, I'm sure you guys will be able to figure out who is guilty soon enough. If my death = you guys finding some mafia members then do it. I am working on a clue analysis and going to make my case. I am going to put more effort and looking at suspects and helping the town. I'm not going down with out a fight and even if i do get lynched, I hope you guys will continue on my fight. Though if I do die, there is a certain someone I want to come to the grave with me. I'm going to be part of getting a mafia killed even if it kills me! | ||
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On May 23 2009 08:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Most clues, like most games, although don’t always use how a person was killed as a clue, they typically do so I will be concentrating on that for now. Day 3 “Meanwhile, the second intruder, initially transfixed by the brutal killing, suddenly remembered that there was another target and began the hunt. He climbed the stairs and poked his head into each of the bedrooms but couldn't find anyone. After passing the set of curtains with a conspicuous pair of shoes sticking out for the third time, he heard mikeymoo sneeze. He turned around and shot both feet, causing mikeymoo to fall from his hiding place. The man approached the writhing mikeymoo, dropped his gun, and grabbed one of his fingers. He slowly put pressure on it until it snapped and mikeymoo let out a scream that dwarfed any sounds he had made before. The attacker continued until he ran out of fingers upon which time he pulled out a knife and stabbed mikeymoo in the throat. As his life left him, mikeymoo chuckled at the absurdity of the knife solving the problem of his hoarse, sore throat.” This entire sequence has the feeling of a sense of surrealness. Someone who remembered there was another person to kill. So he went and looked into bedrooms, one at a time. Finds his target and attacks, first immobilizing them, then cruely torturing before the final kill. A link to this could be TRICODE quotation “1 2, he is coming for you” line which is a reference to freddy krugar. Who is a serial killer, who kills people. So one room at a time he persued his victim, till he found him, and slowly killed him. Tricode: You do realize what you are saying is so weak that I'm surprised you didn't say anything about how broad and vague it was. Mafia kill people. You're just linking my quote to freddy kruger who also kills people, so freaken broad that it's barely even worth it as a clue Many others have commented earlier how they thought this might point to dreamflower as it seemed to be like a dream, well, freddy killed people in dreams. Tricode: Dude, the only word that has Dream in it was DreamFlower's name! where are you pulling this from? Seriously, what's with your clues about me? Is there some kinda disease going around where it makes vet players make horrible analysis? Look at what happened to Ace and Ver... Day 3 First kill “"Well, if you aren't going to cook anything for us..." The smaller man snapped his fingers and infundibulum burst into flames.” Possible linkage to TRICODE, as freddy Krueger kills people in dreams by bursting them into flames. Tricode: I told you on AIM that Freddy Krueger doesn't burst the people he kills into flames. He normally claws them to death. The only one who ever really is put on fire is Freddy Kruger himself! Go watch his damn movies. You didn't even correct yourself on here but you said Woops my bad on aim. Give me a break dude, if you are going use Freddy Kruger, then get your facts straight about him. He's my hero ;p Possible link to HEAVONEARTH as of his tiny mybrute, and I know grenades are weapons in that game, REBIRTHOFLEGEND as in the sense of the poem he has it ends with explode, something could have burst and lit infundi on fire. Second kill “L hunched in the corner of the freezer, trying to make himself as small as possible. The banging on the freezer door was only interrupted by infundibulum's screams. The screams went from muffled to painfully loud as the larger man finally managed to solve the problem posed by the door. He quickly spotted L and started punching him repeatedly. Surprisingly, the blows didn't seem to hurt L as much as he had expected. With the hope of escape now flashing before him, L looked for something to ward off the attacker. He immediately noticed that infundibulum had clearly not defrosted the freezer in months. He was thankful. He broke off one of the icicles and tried to stab his attacker's face with it, but he couldn’t figure out exactly where to stab. L was trying to sort out his confusion when a blow from a blunt object crushed his head. L toppled to the floor. The larger man left the door ajar as he left, ensuring that the freezer would get its long overdue defrosting.” This fight reminds of a HEAVONEARTH, as well, mybrute character, runs in attacks and punches, hes smaller so his fists wouldn’t do the type of damage you would expect. Next, because of his size, you would have a harder time hitting him. The death could also link to TRICODE. This is because the death happened in 3 stages, the first two times fail, and the third succeeds. 1st time when L flees, second when his first hit fails to kill L, third time when he finishes L off just before he is stabbed by an icicle. This could point to him as well. Tricode: No, sorry you screwed up again. Though at least you stopped using Freddy Kruger references. As well this is also weak but i guess the 3 stages thing is a bit better then your other clue analysis which blow. Sorry BC lol. I think you should look more in the fact that this guy might be the one who is blurry or something is odd about his face cause L couldn't recognize if he even had a face. (don't do Freddy again, Freddy even though his face is burned, you know where the hell his face is). BC i noticed you picked on me a bit for your analysis i find it a bit strange. It even seemed like you tried to really push your faulty clues about me as hard as you could but in the end they came faulty anyways. 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I'm going to put my own clue analysis. Also apparently we are all fucking dumb ass townies as far as this game is goes. Though i fucked up and forgot about a rule, w/e. I do appreciate you reminding me about that before i fucked up and did something stupid Circle? It was never my circle. I only was put in it a bit before the end of it. I wasn't really in it until after Ver died cause i didn't want to be fooled by B/C he and I talk on Aim. My game plan was not to team up with anyone and suspect all of you. When ver died, I decided to take a gamble. I decided to R/C to Cob, i wasn't sure how long i could make him think i was the dt. he was not sure. He tried to put a lot of pressure on me to figure out if i was really the d/t or not. Well I'm not. I'll probably die anyways and you will figure it out that i was just a green townie. Though when i prove to be a mix of blue and yellow when and if i die. I think you should go look at this post you made. You saved me some trouble of needing to explain but just in case i will post that info later. Though you do make me feel like your mafia or just a poor behavior analysis. I told you not to screw with me. In fact i can't wait to die. I'll make sure after everyone sees i'm green you and cobbler will come down with me. Math of the game. 14 townies. 5 mafia. 1 traitor. Come bandwagon my ass and help me look bad. I welcome it. Cause in the end it's you and Cob's death that will follow. Also other townies. I wouldn't be surprised if Mafia tried to bring a little suspicion onto each other in the game. Especially now where you won't know who to point fingers at cause everyone is point at everyone. I told you not to screw with me and I will continue with the promise. I will go as hard as i can to find any evidence i can for the town to look at. You screwed up showtime. Also I'm looking at the votes. I'll leave it to town to decide. I probably can use my second vote to keep me alive, but if you guys don't want me to I will, under the promise you look at Showtime and Bloodycobbler after my death. I am going to keep with my promise and bring as much info as i can spot for you all to work with. | ||
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On May 24 2009 08:22 Showtime! wrote: ROFL. Yeah, ok bud if that's how you want to play it so be it. As I said, you are either a dumb townie or stupid mafia and right now the consensus is the latter. I've done my homework with Bockit and Incognito FYI. If you are a dumb townie, let God help us all. Cock and balls if the Town decides to lynch myself next because it looks like I'm one of the only active players trying to pin reds. Godspeed. Listen stop with this dumb townie bull. God help us what? All the town is been doing is "He is a dumb ass townie. That person is a dumb ass townie. Everyone is a dumb ass townie. If i die and turn green, let's just call you the dumb shit for wasting time and having a big "F" for FAIL in behavior analysis that you said you were. Go do something right and find a town a mafia member and stop wasting the town's time or is it your plan to help find greens for the town to lynch? Clock is ticking, go get me a mafia member please or do you have no confidence in your abilities? | ||
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On May 24 2009 08:40 Showtime! wrote: NO CONFIDENCE? I went with my first impulse you stupid sack of shit. At least I stuck to my guns. Here's the thing. Right now we have no organization. Bockit and myself are trying to organize the God damn Town before it is too late. Got that? Good. We won't be sucked into anymore lies. I don't doubt my abilities. Not for one second bro and I do believe it is time for you to go. Stop wasting our time and next game I hope you are more clear in your PMs. I feel like gambling. Want to make a bet? | ||
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On May 24 2009 08:50 Malongo wrote: Some notes townies: At this point we NEED to flip tricode. Period. Just look at callers pm to me and tricode pm to showtime!. Its just too much coincidence? I think not. The only alternative to that is that I got caught like an asshole (and that could be in case showtime! is faking that pm). However I still dont see Tricode REFUSING THAT PM. Wich means that its more likely real. However if tricode flips green the town will have to make a choice between me and showtime tomorrow. I won't deny truth. That pm is really from Caller it is what he sent me. I'm not going to lie, it doesn't benefit the town. Either or i was planning to post it believe me or not, my death will just be proof. | ||
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On May 24 2009 08:50 Showtime! wrote: You are sketchy as fuck 'bro.' Why would I make a bet with someone as sketchy as you? Use your vote however you want! We don't mind! Just keep on waiting until that dial hits to keep one of your own alive! Mafia cover for the WIN. Here's some character for you: "You are the weakest link, good-bye!" Hmm, if i am going to die, what's there to be afraid of? Don't worry I won't request for you to go mod kill yourself or anything (i didn't see what updates qatol did yet on that rule). I'll have the town lynch you after my death and I show up green. Or are you mafia or are you afraid of losing cause you know I'm innocent? Come on, no harm with a simple bet. I'll even tell you what i want if i win. If i prove to be green. I want you to call it amends and put a hand up and say it was a good game. Just like respectable players. Now if you win and i prove to be mafia. Then call what ever you want, want me to take Most idiotic player in the world title fine.Hell let it be anything you want. But i refuse for you to look down at me with your emotions, if you are townie then you are showing your frustration in how the game is going. If you are mafia, well you did a pointless bandwagon BC's very poor analysis was doing fine enough, you just brought yourself out more. | ||
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On May 24 2009 08:58 Malongo wrote: Sorry showtime but I think you are a clever player. IF tricode flips green (unlikely) then that means a) he played absolutely dumb copy/pasting caller b) one of us faked one of the pms As I said I have to wait to flip tricode to put my support on you. That doesnt mean I dont think tricode is mafia, that means that im a fucking paranoid. Yeah, i made a dumb move with that though i don't care if i die. But either case, i was thinking of getting myself killed if i can pull some info for the town. I don't think i can do much more for the town to be honest. Especially with how the game is going. Look, all i have to say good luck. I'm sure from my death you guys will get mafia. | ||
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I hope they can help. Mafia suspects BloodyC0bbler Day 1 clues: - As far as ship clues go. On wikipedia there is the USS Cobbler (SS-344). Cobbler also go with food and Fish. - Not strong but take a look. LTT turned just as something bowled into him, knocking him down into the now crimson waters. Crimson waters. Can deal with it being bloody and a lot of things about Cobbler seem to be some how dealing with water based things according to wiki. - Now take note, there are clues that BC ignores that would go better for Vivi but instead he uses Freddy kruger on me with the flame when it was the smaller mafia member who did this. (Freddy Kruger once again doesn’t burn his victims.) - BloodyC0bbler also tries to make some of the evidence that can also link toVivi by looking at Mrbabyhands. - To add, everyone in Bc’s circle has died. BC was blue snipping he tried really hard to snipe me but missed and later finds that I am green. (I being Green will be proven with my death if you decide I am worth killing for information.) -Also he mentioned to me he had an idea who the medic was (L being the last) and admitted to me that the medic most likely wasn't willing to protect him. (I didn't know L was medic until L died) Bc found a lot of blues and I'm pretty sure he used them so he can look innocent. He had Caller in his group, maybe a way if one of them get caught, that the other can look innocent and influence the circle? Either case, to me BC has been really Cobby (it's a joke, Cobbler fish, get it hahaha....no?) Ocz3c Day 1 clue. - As far as ship clues go he has something about boats. “A boat is a boat. A mystery box can be anything – it can even be a boat!” in his profile. Day 2 clue: - a conspicuous pair of shoes sticking out for the third time - This one is kind of weak and it can even go with me we both have 3’s in our name. It’s not much. Scaramanga - As far as ship clues go he also has something about boats. “Quote: IM ON A BOAT MOTHER FUCKER DONT YOU EVER FORGET” Also in his profile. Malongo -Day 1 Clue: Chuiu and Pyrrhuloxia were sitting on the deck of the cruise ship playing a leisurely game of cards and sipping decaf coffee. Google search Malongo’s name. it leads to a lot of sites talking about coffee. Showtime - Day 2 Clue. In a google search there is a site that shows you a list of showtimes. One dealing with syringes and fighting, also a picture of a lady holding a syringe. o attacker pulled out a syringe and slammed it into LucasWoJ's right eye. mikeymoo was gone by the time LucasWoJ was fully injected, but he could still hear the brutality even as he fled. The assailant bellowed again and started slamming the now empty syringe into LucasWoJ's face repeatedly until his face caved in and the only sounds left were guttural yells, the squishy impacts, and the sound of blood splatter. Come morning, there would be little above the neck that could identify LucasWoJ's corpse. His unrecognizable face and shattered teeth would be no help to the authorities, but his fingerprints were sufficient. This happens in UFC and things like that. In how beatings tend to work. • (Even though BlooyC0bbler brought his up earlier, he didn’t stay with it, it might actually be a ploy to bring suspicion on mafia but then later turn the other way and forget it. It might make them look innocent. Seems like anything is possible this game). -Lastly, as you seen, I and he had a pm convo. When and if I do die. You will see that everything I had to say was truthful and Showtime has been trying to help with the bandwagon. As far as other clues go. I am uncertain about them or you can see that they relate to VIVI better then Mrbabyhands or me (cause of the flame remark) Math time. 20 Left 5 + 1 Traitor 6 badies 14 townies. When I die you get the 13 townies left (I’m placing bet’s that Vivi is mafia. But if some lame reason vivi isn’t then 12 townies) Now some of these things are arguable. I admit not all of them are strong, but I think some of them have some value connection wise. I am only pointing fingers at BC and Showtime as for now. With the information provided you think about the rest. Also isn't it weird how Nemy has yet to die even though he has called blue since the very near the beginning of the game? I think he would be dangerous now that the list of people in the game have shrunk. | ||
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On May 24 2009 09:09 Showtime! wrote: You call that a bet? I'm a gambler (more than one person here would tell you that), but I get nothing from a bet like that. This has been far short of a Good Game man. All of us have been playing like shit up to this point. I have nothing to hide man. Sure, BC made similar points. Does that mean I rely on other people's analysis'? Fuck no. Sometimes it helps to have more than one perspective. This was a group consensus. I'm pissed off at many players right now. It's been very hard to find any motivation to play anymore. All I know is I'm taking a break from mafia games for a while after this one is in the books. Yeah, i can understand how you feel. I'll just take it as you are pissed. And can assume that your just calling me stupid out of anger or w/e =\ When i flip green however don't take it to hard man. If you really are townie (i doubt it though). I am not going to use my other vote however unless i really feel like we found another mafia. I don't care if i have to die after in the next lynch or by mafia. | ||
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On May 24 2009 09:12 Malongo wrote: Just wait until you flip. I cant believe you still dont refuse that pm. That is clear to me You are mafia nobody in his fucking sense will copy paste a pm from another player to resend fishing for info. I think i caught a Red fish called Showtime. I like to call myself the bait and boy did my fish bite. Like you said. Yeah maybe it was the dumbest move ever, but the way this game going meh what the hell. I'll take the stupid move. Either case, like i said i was planning on dieing. I figured this might happen. | ||
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On May 24 2009 09:16 Showtime! wrote: Good job bud. Congratz you really caught me there. Your Day 2 Clue accusation of me has already been determined as Caller. Furthermore, I believe BloodyC0bbler made that same connection. HM, Coincidence? I THINK NOT. Practice what you breach brother! Apparently doesn't know how to do their own research. Start thinking for yourself. Uh, I admitted it was by BC. Learn to read. I think i missed the part with it being connected to Caller. Sorry but even you have to admit there was a lot of things going on. So can you reshow me this and guarantee it is linked to caller? If it is not a guarantee then i say it's fair game. | ||
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On May 24 2009 09:19 Showtime! wrote: Keep firing blanks man. I already refuted every accusation you've made. GJ Now would you like a cookie? Mafia scum. =\ when i flip green, do you want to have " FAIL stamped on your ass or forehead? | ||
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On May 24 2009 09:29 Showtime! wrote: TL played a joke once on a TL Admin after he was the only one to lose in the showmatch between TL and GG. They changed his icon to that for a few days and it was funny as hell. That's only if you are in fact green. I'll make that wager. ? I don't get what you are saying. Like i said i'll take any wager you have to throw or want. In the end all i want is to have no hard feelings against each other. =\ i don't care how you view me for thinking this way. So explain this wager again so i can understand it better. I most likely will take the wager btw, i just want to understand what you mean. I wasn't there for this joke so i don't get it. | ||
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On May 24 2009 09:39 Showtime! wrote: Last Romantic got a FAIL icon attached to his name for being the only Admin to lose to GG.net in a Starcraft showmatch they had. It was within the last 6 months so it is fairly recent. If you turn green. I'm asking the Admnis to change my icon to the FAIL icon for the rest of the game. I have no hard feelings against anyone man. It's a fucking game and we're trying to do our best to beat the mafia. In ALL the games I've played here I haven't been mafia once. I'm sick of getting Townie roles. I just want this damn game to end. DEAL! You got yourself a deal! What do you want if i turn red? | ||
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Like i said i don't care about dieing if it means i can provide info at this point. | ||
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On May 24 2009 10:14 nemY wrote: Cans somebody summarize to me why they think 0cz3c is mafia? Like with specific examples...? He is a nice guy, i like him. Kill him if he is mafia though. | ||
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On May 24 2009 10:39 HeavOnEarth wrote: butbut i don't wanna die !! Don't worry, you will die with me if you die =D Wouldn't that be a blast? | ||
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On May 24 2009 10:45 HeavOnEarth wrote: *points finger at tricode* ITS HIM ITS HIM ^^ Want to also make a bet? | ||
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On May 24 2009 10:50 nemY wrote: Lived? I think you mean "living" right? Btw dude, are there any other mafia templates you guys use? I don't understand your question. no, lived is correct i believe unless i stated it "Can someone tell me how nemy is still living?" lived should be the correct word. | ||
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On May 24 2009 11:04 nemY wrote: Wouldn't "lived" imply that I am dead? And by mafia template I mean the PM characteristics that you and Caller shared. in my sentence lived is the correct word. Though you are correct about what it implies, my bad. I still don't get your question though. Maybe because i'm not mafia? | ||
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I'm very confused about something about what you guys are asking me, but i need this cleared up so i can understand it. In one of the pm's to showtime it says Before Ver died, he let me know that you were an unsubstantiated DT. If this is true, I need you to do a RC on Bockit-Ver highly suspected him. If you aren't a DT, wrong number. Sincerely, ~a noob But there is no name. I wasn't asking Showtime about his role if you guys were thinking that. Second. That is what Caller pmed me for some reason when I copied past it didn't past callers name. I was asking Showtime if it would be a good idea to post it in the thread. Is that what you guys are asking me about and yelling me about? If you think what i am saying is just horseshit meh, i'll prove i'm not lying when i die. | ||
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I guess i didn't sorry about that. Well what do you want to know. I'll try to answer it. Though even if you find me innocent like i said, if you can gather information off my dead body then do it. Just don't let malongo touch it. Last game he had a fetish about wanting my dead body or something. | ||
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But i hope i was clear now about that question with the pm, that i was trying to show what Caller asked me after Ver's death. When i was pming Showtime, I was also trying to explain how I told BloodyC0bbler immediately after Caller asked me that question. (Both Caller and BC thought I was D/T at the time, but i guess they wanted confirmation). I also thought i asked Showtime if i should show the PM caller sent to me to help prove my case that BC's analysis was bullshit. If you read what i said about it a couple pages back, all of his Freddy Kruger analysis is wrong. This guy doesn't know shit about Freddy other then he kills people and the guy seemed to forget that Freddy kills with his claw not fire. I found it weird that Caller had to pm me, cause I already had told Cob my role after Ver's death, and Cob seemed to keep up to date with his circle. So i don't know why Caller even had to pm that question. (Mind you Cob was putting a lot of pressure on me to find my role. He really thought i was an idiot and would slip up with him. When i did tell him my role i figure he would find out sooner or later I wasn't d/t, plus if he tried to backstab me I figured it would look a bit fishy.) (i tried to keep things to myself (as what my role is) until ver died. BC told me ver was a vet and i was using ver's death to test BC's knowledge being truthful.) Before Ver died, i asked ver how much i can trust BC. Ver said i could trust him. Though now i am feeling like Ver may have misjudged. Ver also said he trusted Caller 95%. We can see where that went. Anyways I'm going to go back and see what else I can clear up before i die. If you have any specific questions I'll be more then happy to answer. | ||
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On May 24 2009 12:03 Showtime! wrote: We cannot afford to lose anymore Townies. MTF. if you are mafia it disapproves everything you say. You and I both know that. As for Tricode. Try reading my post at the top of page 88 again. I clearly state you say that was from Caller. As I said already, that proves nothing. For all we know you faked it (yes, no letter head is balls -_-). Stop yanking our chains. We aren't stupid. I just want you to keep your promise with the bet Showtime. I want to see the big Red lettering. | ||
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On May 24 2009 12:20 Showtime! wrote: It's based on good intel I'll have you know. We had a lot more against you but we decided it was in the best interest for the Town to pin only a few targets because that way we're more organized. If you are wrong we're fucked. It is as simple as that. As for Tricode, of course the bet still stands. Besides that, you proved nothing. Your PMs still beg the question. I in no way, shape or form used 'Freddy Kruger' shit to pin you. I know you didn't. I was referring to BC when it comes Freddy. Sorry i must of miss typed some where unless you miss read. I'm glade the bet still stands. My Pm may beg the question, but the question also is, are they enough evidence for you to get me lynched or is there a more suitable candidate? Like i said I'm not going to use my second vote, i still can use it if you like, but only if you have 99-100% certainty that someone else is mafia. I rather not help kill a townie and I do hope my dead body can help show you BC is full of crap with some of his analyzing. I think he can do better but he doesn't even with the plexa shark thing, i don't get it, i see no shark in that picture. Sorry Showtime it might also look bad for you as well =\ Though if you are a townie and i flip green, i hope you still try your best and win this game for the town. Though like i said, i have more reason to believe you are mafia then town. | ||
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On May 24 2009 12:25 LTT wrote: The rules work like this. 1.) The first person to receive that number of votes is lynched. 2.) If they happen at the same time due to a vote switch, the person who was to be lynched before the switch is still lynched. Example 1: Bob has 6 votes, Tom has 4 votes. A vote switches from Bob to Tom at the last second, Bob is still lynched. Example 2: Bob has 6 votes, Ted has 5 votes, Tom has 4 votes. A vote switches from Bob to Tom at the last second, Bob is still lynched. Example 3: Double Vote in effect. Bob has 6 votes, Ted Has 6 votes, Tom has 5 votes. Bob got to 6 votes first. A person voting for Bob and Ted switches his votes to Tom and Abstain at the last minute. This makes it Tom 6 / Bob 5 / Ted 5. Tom and Bob are lynched. Thanks Qatol, Bockit, and LTT. | ||
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On May 24 2009 12:32 Showtime! wrote: You want it? Ok, Bockit will post it then because not only is he the one who originally accused you. Not me. I favored Tricode, HeavonEarth and 0cz more for two reasons: 1. Apart of my original suspects 2. We had a lot more on them. Besides that Bockit has Admin powers and it's a lot easier for him to pull up your info. ? =\ it doesn't matter now. Cob was the first one to try to put suspicion on me if i recall. If you favor me then why do you go out of your way to say I am mafia and make the bet instead of defending me? If you are a townie be weary of bockit i guess after my death though like i said things still might not look good for you. | ||
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On May 24 2009 12:39 Ace wrote: After this game ends I'm going to have a huge lecture. I'll be dead soon. I can't wait for your lecture Ace =D i want to know where i fucked up so i can avoid it in the future. (if you say anything about your voting, I will have you know that i didn't really feel that you two were mafia, though ver was odd. I did figure however that the town was planning to kill you both both ways and there was nothing i can really do about it =\) | ||
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On May 24 2009 12:40 Showtime! wrote: I know you didn't, but likewise there are a few similarities in my interpretation. L dying in three parts for example. We have more than enough to put someone like yourself away. There's a reason why we kept the posts simple, straight forward and right to the point. The only way to organize ourselves is by creating a shortlist of candidates. So far so good. Before we had people on 5+ people. That has changed over time. I don't feel that is strong enough. Ocz3c has a three in his name also if you are going off that. Though i will admit out of all the clues that is the only one that can come even closest to being some what reasonable and even then i don't feel it is that strong. I would like to point once agian, for some reason L couldn't tell where the Man's face was. (maybe the blurry guy? Or maybe someone with a really messed up face?) Don't use Freddy, Freddy's face might be burnt but he clearly has a face. | ||
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On May 24 2009 12:48 Ace wrote: In Ver's defense he tried to do the only thing he could from his vantage point. Not really a legit excuse because he fucked up in so many ways but he got desperate. But don't worry - he's far from being the Least Valuable Player. I'm more worried about me being the least valuable player lol. Screw Ver ;p j/k Either case, if you do got tips and a lecture in what i can do to improve my game (that doesn't involve me to never play again) i would be glade to welcome it. I was being serious about actually wanting tips. | ||
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I will like to write a will. Kill BloodyC0bbler...he is my very best friend online and I don't want to be lonely =( | ||
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On May 24 2009 13:07 Ace wrote: When does the lynch post go up? I don't know what to be afraid of your lecture to me or the lynch. | ||
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On May 24 2009 13:14 nemY wrote: I have a feeling, you won't be the only one receiving a lecture :o! Yeah. I kinda want to get this lynch thing over with, dieing is the easy part, waiting is the hard part. | ||
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I prefer to be dead so you guys would look at Cobbler. If i looked right, i should be the first who reached 8 votes. I also promise not to use my second vote unless a lot of people ask me to use it on another person and that person holds more suspicion then I. | ||
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Mrbabyhands can even make mistakes also it seems. (sorry i had to put it out there) Oh wait, my two favorite suspects also voted for me and Ocz3c. Oh wait, didn't Cobbler also try to ignore Vivi when it came to a clue that seemed like it could really connect to...Vivi? He also gave a shitty analysis with Freddy Kruger. Hahahaha. GJ MTF, i think you were the one who spotted the clue on Vivi. | ||
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Showtime, i believe we had a bet? | ||
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On May 24 2009 14:25 Showtime! wrote: The games over Tricode. Not only that but I was the GF. Hence it was legit. You gave me everything I needed to get rid of you easily and yet my team didn't pull through. No i didn't cause it didn't pull through sorry. Plus i had people defending me and willing to pull out in the last second if i requested it. What you think i was doing through pms? You were not the only person i talked to. Why you think Ocz3c pulled out from me? You took my bait and if i died you and cob were coming down with me if everything went right. You could of killed me but i don't think you or Cob would of gotten away after that. | ||
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would have been tie =\. Damn you're right mafia would have the advantage. | ||
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On May 24 2009 14:32 L wrote: if it makes you guys feel better, i was about to fucking RAGE at nemY for voting tricode. Nemy was planning to pull out. | ||
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On May 24 2009 14:37 L wrote: Also: tricode, you're fucking stupid. :3 lol i hope you are joking ;p The town went for Cob's stupid Freddy Kruger analysis. I didn't fall for any of that shit. yeah the pm bait for showtime wasn't the brightest move but it sure as hell showed me he was mafia. I also mentioned that Cob was pointing out Mafia and that it seemed brushed off later. Like when Cob put evidence eon Showtime. if anything, I think what Cob and showtime did should have been more then enough to show you that the town wasn't thinking at one point. | ||
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On May 24 2009 14:42 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: mbh clues were pretty obvious as well. just nobody really picked up on it after Day 1 (he killed mikeymoo in Day 2 i believe) We kinda did, but i guess people kept giving MBH a chance for some retard reason. Like i mentioned earlier. Mafia exposed themselves and some reason it was ignored. It worked out like they wanted it to. Except in the end when they forfeit. | ||
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On May 24 2009 15:09 Ace wrote: just a stupid fucking move 99% of the time. BC probably gets MVP for Mafia side (based only on public posts) because no matter how much fucking nonsense he posted somehow people would go "no...no....I think he's on to something!" rofl wtf. Agreed. Beyond agreed. Thanks for pointing that out Ace. Do you guys even read the posts? | ||
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On May 24 2009 15:10 Incognito wrote: I meant why is he MVP not what is mvp...seriously I should start ignoring your posts. Don't stoop to being an ass. | ||
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On May 24 2009 15:12 mikeymoo wrote: This is how players generally read posts when there's 4+ pages to catch up on. "filler... filler... OOH BIG POST WITH COLOURS MUST BE ACCURATE... filler... filler... malongo's an idiot... L is lashing out... filler... OOH COLOURS" I think it was Caller's strategy to blend in not making informative posts but still posting. It's what B/C did for his retard analysis on me. sigh... | ||
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On May 24 2009 15:16 Qatol wrote: Absolutely you are. He outplayed everyone else this game by a decently large margin. Reread his posts. He only got agressive in his posting when people ignored his first posts. His reads were 100% correct. He caught MBH Showtime! and BloodyC0bbler but nobody listened to him. I listened. Though i still had a weak clue thing about him in the end but i mentioned it was weak i guess. Though the problem is i listened in the end where it was near to late. I didn't vote for him for a reason =\ that's why i went after vivi. I was a bit afraid to be 100% confidence into him but yeah...sigh =\ | ||
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On May 24 2009 15:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: haha, or p ushing the death of townies. I gave up many fake names, and in pm's i was trying to redirect df's hit, I set up a few votes for you into office actually ace due to how bulldogish you were being, etc.. I tried to play alot more behind the scenes while keeping my regular level of activity in the thread going, then ver roleclaimed, df roleclaimed, caller was pushed from said circle and was red, then ver mod killed, df died and i had communication with tricode and nemy, in which i was then told to pin tricode. I still can't believe you pulled it off. It hurts my head to think about it. | ||
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My only regret was not being able to get you killed like i wanted. | ||
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On May 24 2009 16:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Town mvp should be 0cz3c, the guy had our numbers, and hard. MTF as a close second. Mafia mvp should be L for the obvious work he did for us. ROFL | ||
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On May 25 2009 02:14 Showtime! wrote: ... My God you truly are slow. You should just stop talking in general. Next time you send anyone a PM get your story straight and make sure you are crystal clear. It didn't matter how many people you shared that crap with. There was enough filler in your PMs and in the thread to make people think you were a) stupid mafia b) stupid townie BC and I had a fool proof plan. It just so happens half our team was MIA to seal it. We had four more votes to use when it was all said and done. Sorry bud. Next time play smarter Wrong. It would have been 9v6. We would have picked off easy targets like RoL, Scar, Cam (who was about to be modkilled anyway, but I knew he would show up at the last minute anyway ;p). This Town played so bad, I don't even know where to begin. I was so pissed last night, I told my team about 7 hours in advance what was going down and they didn't pull through lol. P.S. Sorry Scamp, I was livid last night and I retract my statement. Yes you had one on Tricode and it wouldn't have changed anything from that stand-point. I didn't have a lot of time to make my posts. It was mostly on MBH and Vivi. Damn Saturdays! Dude, you do realize that what you did should of gotten you killed right? It was so plainly obvious what you were doing with the pms and how you tried to push the bandwagon. It was just like Bc's poor analysis of me, it should of been crystal clear that something was up. If people actually took the time to think. They would of realized that something was up and that you were trying to bandwagon and shit. Also the fact that even though i brought a little suspicion on me, everything you said was poor. Your analysis, your reasoning, everything. Don't think to highly of yourself, I call it dumb luck for you, as for Cob, dumb luck and a brilliant move in tricking people with making my name pop up a few times (I doubt that most people really read his analysis properly or actually thought about what he tried to link me to) Even that stupid 3 stage L clue was weak as heck. You were pushing so hard for just like BC was doing with his analysis. It was just one of those things that people for some reason failed to see. I am actually surprised you were g/f though. I thought BC probably was. But all in all i guess i should give you some credit, you did help a little bit make me look worse, though i do think some people near the end felt less suspicious of me near the end but were just unsure and uneasy cause how the game was going. But if anything i would give bloodyc0bbler the most credit for getting me killed. He was the one who started the hype you just kinda tried to play off it more even though it should of blown your cover just as much Cob's cover should have been completely blown away. | ||
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On May 25 2009 03:11 Showtime! wrote: No, it wasn't 'bud.' We had good clue analysis and behaviour analysis. I'm just going to stop it right here because I know how piss poor you are at defending yourself. EDIT: It was a team effort. Who do you think helped put that shit together in the first place? There's a reason why I make most of my 'plays' behind the scenes. Don't be delusional please. The clue analysis was piss poor. It only worked cause people saw my name a few times or something, who knows what they were thinking. Sorry dude. I'm sure many can agree with me if they saw it. I think people can agree with that. As for the behavior analysis, your behavior and Cob's was also fishy just by what you two were doing. The only thing i can say is, it worked for psychological reasons, not logical. You make Spock Prime cry. | ||
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On May 25 2009 08:56 L wrote: Yeah, town activity just fucking dropped off a cliff day 3. You guys had a WALL of information staring you in the face. Then again, when you have a player like tricode making himself an obvious quickstriker-like retard target... Why do you even speak? Please man up and just say you screwed up in the game and stop trying to point fingers by saying I was the stupid one. I don't know why you keep trying to make me look stupid. You have hardly anyone agreeing with you. So I request you please stop. | ||
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On May 25 2009 17:43 L wrote: Pretty sure all the decent players agree you played terribly. :3 Deal with it. Yet I think they can probably agree I did better then you :3 so stop take a breath and realize that FAIL and you are the same thing. Not because you played horribly but because of what you are trying to do right now with me. Once again. I ask you to take it like a man and shut the fuck up. Go think about your damn mistakes. That's what I will be doing. | ||
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On May 26 2009 00:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Tricode and L, calm the fuck down. Who the fuck cares who did better? We all sucked for the most part. You are basically arguing over whose shit stinks the least. oh and I probably wouldn't of lynched 0cz3c if he didn't try the bodyguard role claim and mod kill himself. It seemed like a mafias stupid attempt to say alive. Until then I thought MBH clue analysis sucked. You're right, except I'm not trying to argue who is better, i just want him to stop with this stupid thing. Some of my words are a bit out of annoyance with him not dropping it. Sorry about that. | ||
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I so wanted you to die =*( I had a perfect post ready for you when DF was planning to vigi hit you. | ||
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On May 26 2009 03:24 L wrote: Negative. I pinned you as a stupid townie, didn't I? :3 I'm done with this game. If you feel that accomplished that you pinned me down as a townie, congrats and big deal? You accomplished nothing. I am going to ignore your posts about me now. This is getting no where and I'm sure others are getting annoyed. | ||
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