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On July 31 2009 04:01 Falcynn wrote: So I'm just making sure, there are still people that think NKVD should disguise as rebels. However for everyone who thinks they should disguise as Russians, do we at least agree that they should disguise as Veterans rather than Conscripts? In my opinion: Veterans over Conscripts. However, a slight problem is that if all NKVD go veteran, it helps rebels get a possible NKVD list. Some rebels may not have a problem "wasting" a hit in an attempt to get an NKVD if he R/Cs one as veteran, but I feel it is probably the top choice for NKVD to disguise as. I do think NKVD as rebels is a terribly stupid idea for various reasons that have been explained, and other reasons I thought of at work, regardless if NKVD stay silent, respond to a PM, or initiate a PM. I can explain later, but hopefully it won't be necessary as NKVD shouldn't be disguising as rebels as it may give rebels a slight advantage through my explaining. Insert obligatory 'lol' at the arrest. As for Field Marshal, I am a bit confused on why people are voting for L at the moment x.x I don't like Coltrane's first lynch idea, or his math (Since most all of it is based on assumptions at the moment since we have absolutely no idea about townie:scum ratio from the quick glance I took at it), and obviously his NKVD->Rebel idea. I don't really understand where he gets his assumptions from at all concerning his death, that all runners will be checked and thus those who live after day 2 are either scum or NKVD, and lowering KP through NKVD->Rebel. As for Lucas, yeah..... As for Ace's campaign, it's pretty solid, but I'm just a bit wary of voting him into office on the offchance he is rebel. But at this rate, I don't think it'll matter. Protip-Ace: Get a mic, I hate having to read vent comments in between dota | ||
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On July 31 2009 05:47 Ace wrote: I broke the last one :/ too lazy to get a new one since I'm not on it enough. still LOL that foolishness got caught cheating. what a scrub. If you obviously got one, you would be on it more. | ||
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On July 31 2009 07:04 Falcynn wrote: At this point we know at least that there are only two decent options. Disguise as Veterans, or disguise as rebels. The fact that there are two options creates a third option for NKVD, just fyi. | ||
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On July 31 2009 07:14 Falcynn wrote: Wait...what? Are we speaking individually or as a whole? Individually, I don't see any other decent option between those two. If you mean as a group...then yeah, they could mix between those two, which is the point I was making. Individually, if you can't see it; then it doesn't really matter, though. | ||
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On August 01 2009 05:38 Shikyo wrote: Wild guess: Everyone Sadly, I hadn't read the thread; I wanted to bait him along | ||
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On August 01 2009 09:02 clazziquai wrote: you trust people way too easily?? how do you know he can be trusted......lol wow.... how do we know that we can trust you that you aren't a rebel? | ||
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Scum also missed a good opportunity window to organize; and it's mainly Kuja's fault if that IRC conversation is true and Kuja is in fact dumb. However, each individual scum is also to blame themselves for missing the opportunity. Again, this is assuming everything said in the IRC chat is true. | ||
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On July 31 2009 11:12 Caller wrote: Nttea was cleaved to death by Comrade Admiral Kunkka. Just noticed this and so I reply with: why don't you play with us | ||
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Ace play more dota In all seriousness though: acting all pissy just because one person isolates someone is dumb and leads to slip-ups. In fact, it focuses the discussion rather than random ass clue analysis of day 1 clues and other stupid ideas. | ||
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It's not over even though votes are such. | ||
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Playing the ad hominem cards just because someone rubs one the wrong way doesn't help at all. It only works in Ace's case because he doesn't WARD THE FUCKING JUNGLE! If we have zero to go on, then we might as well fast forward days 1-2, right? | ||
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On August 02 2009 05:24 Chezinu wrote: About discussing Clazz vs Ace, what is there to discuss - obv Ace is right. | ||
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On August 02 2009 05:47 L wrote: Lynch all liars and such. Telling us someone ELSE contacted you when you have bodyguard protection means you might be trying to frame 2 people. Kill clazz then stick the blame on someone who the town can legitimately believe is stupid enough to do dumb shit, like LucasWoJ. This is why we have discussion. | ||
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On August 02 2009 05:57 L wrote: The person that contacted Ace, given that Ace as a Ukranian can kill him tonight, and Clazz himself. You honestly believe someone contacted Ace with a R/C on Clazz? | ||
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On August 02 2009 06:12 Ace wrote: you'll never be able to figure out why I do things. Get on my level first hoe WARD THE JUNGLE CUNTBUCKET | ||
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On August 02 2009 06:14 Ace wrote: I think RebirthofLegend should be our next suspect. Anyone questioning my motives at this point is obviously scum. As long as he is near the jungle for warding, I'm down. | ||
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On August 02 2009 06:16 Ace wrote: this has nothing to do with the game After reading that private PM it's pretty sad you guys had to resort to account switching in past games to trust each other. Terrible :/ Obvious tactic to draw away attention. Scum. | ||
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On August 02 2009 06:19 Ace wrote: If I was scum would have I lynched Vivi57? Proposed lynching LucasWoj? Those are the kinds of people you want to keep alive in Mafia games. Lucas is going around PMing people to get his info lol. Unlike him, I rape faces publicly. I think you're just scared that they would be on your scum team and fuck things up for you as they've proven to do. | ||
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On August 02 2009 06:32 Ace wrote: what chu talking about I wasn't on Garena fool True story. | ||
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On August 02 2009 06:53 clazziquai wrote: Ace is a fucking douche. I am a rebel. All rebels ROLE CALL to me NOW BEFORE I DIE. We will get organized and we will bring down this communist state we are living in. Too late. Way late. | ||
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This would've worked had the IRC conversation was not posted. On top of that: you're not even confirmed rebel. On top of that: you rebels missed your timing already. Get over it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of January 3, 2001, the gentleman from Texas (Mr. PAUL) is recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the majority leader. Mr. PAUL. Mr. Speaker, it breaks my heart to see what is happening to our country today. All Americans have grieved over the losses suffered on 9-11. The grief for those who lost loved ones is beyond description. These losses have precipitated unprecedented giving to help the families left behind. Unless one has suffered directly, it is difficult to fully comprehend the tragic and sudden loss of close friends and family. There are some who, in addition to feeling this huge sense of personal loss that all Americans share, grieve for other serious and profound reasons. For instance, many thoughtful Americans are convinced that the tragedy of 9-11 was preventable. Since that might be true, this provokes a tragic sadness, especially for those who understand how the events of 9-11 needlessly came about. The reason why this is so sad and should be thoroughly understood is that so often the ones who suggest how our policies may have played a role in evoking the attacks are demonized as unpatriotic and are harshly dismissed as belonging to the ``blame America crowd.'' Those who are so anxious to condemn do not realize that the policies of the American Government, designed by politicians and bureaucrats, are not always synonymous with American ideals. The country is not the same as the Government. The spirit of America is hardly something for which the Government holds a monopoly on defining. America's heart and soul is more embedded in our love of liberty, self-reliance, and tolerance than by our foreign policy, driven by powerful special interests with little regard for the Constitution. Throughout our early history, a policy of minding our own business and avoiding entangling alliances, as George Washington admonished, was more representative of American ideals than those we have pursued for the past 50 years. Some sincere Americans have suggested that our modern interventionist policy set the stage for the attacks of 9-11, and for this, they are condemned as being unpatriotic. This compounds the sadness and heartbreak that some Americans are feeling. Threats, loss of jobs, censorship and public mockery have been heaped upon those who have made this suggestion. Freedom of expression and thought, the bedrock of the American Republic, is now too often condemned as something viciously evil. This should cause freedom-loving Americans to weep from broken hearts. Another reason the hearts of many Americans are heavy with grief is because they dread what might come from the many new and broad powers the Government is demanding in the name of providing security. Daniel Webster once warned, ``Human beings will generally exercise power when they can get it, and they will exercise it most undoubtedly in popular governments under pretense of public safety.'' A strong case can be made that the Government regulations, along with a lack of private property responsibility, contributed to this tragedy, but what is proposed? More regulations and even a takeover of all airport security by the Government. We are not even considering restoring the rights of pilots to carry weapons for self-defense as one of the solutions. Even though pilots once carried guns to protect the mail and armored truck drivers can still carry guns to protect money, protecting passengers with guns is prohibited on commercial flights. The U.S. Air Force can shoot down a wayward aircraft, but a pilot cannot shoot down an armed terrorist. It will be difficult to solve our problems with this attitude toward airport security. Civil liberties are sure to suffer under today's tensions, with the people demanding that the politicians do something, anything. Should those who object to the rapid move toward massively increasing the size and scope of the Federal Government in local law enforcement be considered un-American because they defend the principles they truly understand to be American? Any talk of spending restraint is now a thing of the past. We had one anthrax death, and we are asked the next day for a billion dollar appropriations to deal with the problem. And a lot more will be appropriated before it is all over. What about the 40,000 deaths per year on government-run highways and the needless deaths associated with the foolish and misdirected war on drugs? Why should anyone be criticized for trying to put this in proper perspective? Countless groups are now descending on Washington with their hands out. As usual with any disaster, this disaster is being parlayed into an "opportunity," as one former Member of the Congress phrased it. The economic crisis that started a long time before 9-11 has contributed to the number of those now demanding Federal handouts. But there is one business that we need not fear will go into a slump: The Washington lobbying industry. Last year, it spent $1.6 billion lobbying Congress. This year, it will spend much more. The bigger the disaster, the greater the number of vultures who descend on Washington. When I see this happening, it breaks my heart, because liberty and America suffers, and it is all done in the name of justice, equality and security. Emotions are running high in our Nation's capital, and in politics emotions are more powerful tools than reason and the rule of law. The use of force to serve special interests and help anyone who claims to be in need unfortunately is an acceptable practice. Obeying the restraints placed in the Constitution is seen as archaic and insensitive to the people's needs. But far too often the claims of those responding to human tragedies are nothing more than politics as usual. While one group supports bailing out the corporations, another wants to prop up wages and jobs. One group supports federalizing tens of thousands of airport jobs to increase union membership, while another says we should subsidize corporate interests and keep the jobs private. Envy and power drive both sides- the special interests of big business and the demands of the welfare/redistribution crowd. There are many other reasons to be sad about all that is going on today. In spite of the fact that our government has done such a poor job protecting us and has no intention of changing the policy of meddling overseas (which has contributed to our problems), the people are more dependent on and more satisfied with government than they have been in decades- while demanding even more government control and intrusion in their daily lives. It is aggravating to listen to the daily rhetoric regarding liberty and the Constitution while the same people participate in their destruction. It is aggravating to see all the money spent and civil liberties abused while the pilot's right to carry guns in self-defense is denied. It is even more aggravating to see our government rely on foreign AWACS aircraft to provide security to U.S. territory. A $325 billion military budget, and we cannot even patrol our own shores. This, of course, is just another sign of how little we are concerned about U.S. sovereignty and how willing we are to submit to international government. It is certainly disappointing that our congressional leaders and administration have not considered using letters of marque and reprisal as an additional tool to root out those who participated in the 9-11 attacks. The difficulty in finding bin Laden and his supporters make marque and reprisal quite an appropriate option in this effort. We already hear of plans to install and guarantee the next government of Afghanistan. Getting bin Laden and his gang is one thing, nation-building is quite another. Some of our trouble in the Middle East started years ago when our CIA put the Shah in charge of Iran. It was 25 years before he was overthrown, and the hatred toward America continues to this day. Those who suffer from our intervention have long memories. Our support for the less-than-ethical government of Saudi Arabia, with our troops occupying what most Muslims consider sacred land, is hardly the way to bring peace to the Middle East. A policy driven by our fear of losing control over the oil fields in the Middle East has not contributed to American Security. Too many powerful special interests drive our policy in this region, and this does little to help us preserve security for Americans here at home. As we bomb Afghanistan, we continue to send foreign aid to feed the people suffering from the war. I strongly doubt if our food will get them to love us or even be our friends. There is no evidence that the starving receive the food. And too often it is revealed that it ends up in the hands of the military forces we are fighting. While we bomb Afghanistan and feed the victims, we lay plans to install the next government and pay for rebuilding the country. Quite possibly, the new faction we support will be no more trustworthy than the Taliban, to which we sent plenty of aid and weapons in the 1980s. That intervention in Afghanistan did not do much to win reliable friends in the region. It just may be that Afghanistan would be best managed by several tribal factions, without any strong centralized government and without any outside influence, certainly not by the U.N. But then again, some claim that the proposed Western financed pipeline through northern Afghanistan can only happen after a strong centralized pro-Western government is put in place. It is both annoying and sad that there is so little interest by anyone in Washington in free market solutions to the world's economic problems. True private ownership of property without regulation and abusive taxation is a thing of the past. Few understand how the Federal Reserve monetary policy causes the booms and the busts that, when severe, as now, only serve to enhance the prestige of the money managers- while most politicians and Wall Streeters demand that the Fed inflate the currency at an even more rapid rate. Today's conditions give license to the politicians to spend our way out of recession, they hope. One thing for sure, as a consequence of the recession and the 9-11 tragedy, is that big spending and deficits are alive and well. Even though we are currently adding to the national debt at the rate of $150 billion per year, most politicians still claim that Social Security is sound and has not been touched. At least the majority of American citizens are now wise enough to know better. There is plenty of reason to feel heartbroken over current events. It is certainly not a surprise or illogical for people working in Washington to overreact to the anthrax scare. The feelings of despondency are understandable, whether due to the loss of lives, loss of property, fear of the next attack, or concerned at our own frantic efforts to enhance security will achieve little. But broken or sad hearts need not break our spirits nor impede our reasoning. I happen to believe that winning this battle against the current crop of terrorists is quite achievable in a relatively short period of time. But winning the war over the long term is a much different situation. This cannot be achieved without a better understanding of the enemy and the geopolitics that drive this war. Even if relative peace is achieved with a battle victory over Osama bin Laden and his followers, other terrorists will appear from all corners of the world for an indefinite period of time if we do not understand the issues. Changing our current foreign policy with wise diplomacy is crucial if we are to really win the war and restore the sense of tranquility to our land that now seems to be so far in our distant past. Our widespread efforts at peacekeeping and nation-building will only contribute to the resentment that drives the fanatics. Devotion to internationalism and a one-world government only exacerbates regional rivalries. Denying that our economic interests drive so much of what the West does against the East impedes any efforts to diffuse the world crisis that already has a number of Americans demanding nuclear bombs to be used to achieve victory. A victory based on this type of aggressive policy would be a hollow victory indeed. I would like to draw analogy between the drug war and the war against terrorism. In the last 30 years, we have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on a failed war on drugs. This war has been used as an excuse to attack our liberties and privacy. It has been an excuse to undermine our financial privacy while promoting illegal searches and seizures with many innocent people losing their lives and property. Seizure and forfeiture have harmed a great number of innocent American citizens. Another result of this unwise war has been the corruption of many law enforcement officials. It is well known that with the profit incentives so high, we are not even able to keep drugs out of our armed prisons. Making our whole society a prison would not bring success to this floundering war on drugs. Sinister motives of the profiteers and gangsters, along with prevailing public ignorance, keeps this futile war going. Illegal and artificially high priced drugs drive the underworld to produce, sell and profit from this social depravity. Failure to recognize that drug addiction, like alcoholism, is a disease rather than a crime, encourage the drug warriors in efforts that have not and will not ever work. We learned the hard way about alcohol prohibition and crime, but we have not yet seriously considered it in the ongoing drug war. Corruption associated with the drug dealers is endless. It has involved our police, the military, border guards and the judicial system. It has affected government policy and our own CIA. The artificially high profits from illegal drugs provide easy access to funds for rogue groups involved in fighting civil wars throughout the world. Ironically, opium sales by the Taliban and artificially high prices helped to finance their war against us. In spite of the incongruity, we rewarded the Taliban this spring with a huge cash payment for promises to eradicate some poppy fields. Sure! For the first 140 years of our history, we had essentially no Federal war on drugs, and far fewer problems with drug addiction and related crimes was a consequence. In the past 30 years, even with the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on the drug war, little good has come of it. We have vacillated from efforts to stop the drugs at the source to severely punishing the users, yet nothing has improved. This war has been behind most big government police powers of the last 30 years, with continual undermining of our civil liberties and personal privacy. Those who support the IRS's efforts to collect maximum revenues and root out the underground economy, have welcomed this intrusion, even if the drug underworld grows in size and influence. The drug war encourages violence. Government violence against nonviolent users is notorious and has led to the unnecessary prison overpopulation. Innocent taxpayers are forced to pay for all this so-called justice. Our drug eradication project (using spraying) around the world, from Colombia to Afghanistan, breeds resentment because normal crops and good land can be severely damaged. Local populations perceive that the efforts and the profiteering remain somehow beneficial to our own agenda in these various countries. Drug dealers and drug gangs are a consequence of our unwise approach to drug usage. Many innocent people are killed in the crossfire by the mob justice that this war generates. But just because the laws are unwise and have had unintended consequences, no excuses can ever be made for the monster who would kill and maim innocent people for illegal profits. But as the violent killers are removed from society, reconsideration of our drug laws ought to occur. A similar approach should be applied to our war on those who would terrorize and kill our people for political reasons. If the drug laws, and the policies that incite hatred against the United States, are not clearly understood and, therefore, never changed, the number of drug criminals and terrorists will only multiply. Although this unwise war on drugs generates criminal violence, the violence can never be tolerated. Even if repeal of drug laws would decrease the motivation for drug dealer violence, this can never be an excuse to condone the violence. In the short term, those who kill must be punished, imprisoned, or killed. Long term though, a better understanding of how drug laws have unintended consequences is required if we want to significantly improve the situation and actually reduce the great harms drugs are doing to our society. The same is true in dealing with those who so passionately hate us that suicide becomes a just and noble cause in their effort to kill and terrorize us. Without some understanding of what has brought us to the brink of a worldwide conflict, and reconsideration of our policies around the globe, we will be no more successful in making our land secure and free than the drug war has been in removing drug violence from our cities and towns. Without an understanding of why terrorism is directed towards the United States, we may well build a prison for ourselves with something called homeland security while doing nothing to combat the root causes of terrorism. Let us hope we figure this out soon. We have promoted a foolish and very expensive domestic war on drugs for more than 30 years. It has done no good whatsoever. I doubt our Republic can survive a 30-year period of trying to figure out how to win this guerilla war against terrorism. Hopefully, we will all seek the answers in these trying times with an open mind and understanding. | ||
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On August 02 2009 07:04 clazziquai wrote: lol anyways, I gotta head out. So all the Ukranian Rebels you know what to do. PM me. This is important. FUCK YOU ALL. I'll probably be dead after thist post. Kinda funny. | ||
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On August 02 2009 07:38 Ace wrote: But if you want to die tonight just tell me, I can make it happen. scum | ||
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Just me ;3 | ||
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On August 02 2009 07:49 L wrote: So... In conclusion: LOL | ||
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On August 02 2009 08:09 Ace wrote: It can't be verified so all it would do is give you guys useless information and the Rebels more info. Scum. | ||
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On August 02 2009 11:14 clazziquai wrote: Fuck yourself Such rage. | ||
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On August 02 2009 12:24 clazziquai wrote: I am super pissed. RAGE MOAR | ||
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Stop posting, you already got finger boomed. | ||
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whoa whoa whoa whoa + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On August 03 2009 03:08 L wrote: champ. | ||
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On August 03 2009 02:46 clazziquai wrote: L is a goliath Such rage. | ||
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[quote] Why don't you make one for us? [/QUOTE] Because he's NKVD and wants people to think for him. | ||
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[QUOTE]On August 03 2009 03:33 L wrote: [quote] 2) He is the field marshal, he hasn't been wrong yet[/QUOTE] Bad thinking. | ||
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[QUOTE]On August 03 2009 03:49 Elemenope wrote: [QUOTE]On August 03 2009 03:47 Sinensis wrote: [QUOTE]On August 03 2009 03:33 L wrote: [quote] 2) He is the field marshal, he hasn't been wrong yet[/QUOTE] Bad thinking. [/QUOTE] You're probably right. It's better not to have more than one perspective, especially when one of them is from the person with the most powerful role in the game.[/QUOTE] Are you blind? | ||
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Stop raging plz. | ||
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On August 03 2009 04:03 Sinensis wrote: I don't feel like quoting you anymore because you don't know how and it's ugly to look at. In response to "Are you blind?" though I offer: Are you vague? You seemed to have also failed on the quotation, way to fix my mistake as I was taking out useless stuff from your post. And yes. | ||
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On August 03 2009 04:29 Caller wrote: night ends in 6 hours | ||
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On August 03 2009 04:31 MyHeroNoob wrote: yay someone dies Scum. | ||
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On August 03 2009 04:55 Sinensis wrote: You mad L? You sound mad. He doesn't sound mad at all. | ||
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On August 03 2009 05:44 Zato-1 wrote: Kuja900 Not worth it. | ||
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On August 03 2009 05:56 Zato-1 wrote: Hm. He might be a sure enough candidate to lynch without a RC. It's not might, it *is* He hasn't denied the IRC claim; he hasn't even posted anything since the mass PM spam. Even if he were innocent, badly played, and it'd be dangerous for someone like him to get into any town circle. Same deal with RoL, waste of a role check since if Kuja is scum, then RoL is definitely scum (or a stupid NKVD). If Kuja isn't scum, then we'd be drawing out an NKVD with the R/C to confirm/deny RoL. They both should be lynched the next two days. We'd be better off not wasting R/Cs on these two. | ||
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On August 03 2009 06:00 ~OpZ~ wrote: Can we even use voting history this game? Yes. | ||
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On August 03 2009 06:25 Zato-1 wrote: Why wouldn't other rebels arrive at the same conclusion? Because they're dumb. | ||
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As for the FM: I'm sure a bunch of people in this game would vote for L or Ace even if either said "You guys can suck a dick. My dick." | ||
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On August 03 2009 07:00 clazziquai wrote: Dude L is the shit. He would be the best field marshal IMHO kk Rage moar. | ||
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On August 03 2009 07:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: blah blah blah I'm scum well said. | ||
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On August 03 2009 07:07 Ace wrote: Individually I'm pretty sure if they are competent they could come to easy decisions like ok, Ace looks innocent and he will ruin our shit let's not vote him in. Hurr durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Hey now, let us not resort to the hurr durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. You missed Testie's rage on Superiorwolf btw. | ||
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It was clearly a test set forth by our great leader to see if you were paying attention. | ||
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On August 03 2009 07:26 ~OpZ~ wrote: My argument for NKVD's appearing as rebels was logical =/ You didn't agree so you raged and called it stupid. Simple as that. And obviously the scum isn't competent, if we've found 3 already. We actually only found one who was incompetent. 2 is debatable as who would go afk if you're scum, right? right? And NKVDs appearing as rebels would bring in a lot of chaos to the town. If I were a rebel, I would've prayed for an NKVD to message me. Which is why Ace is scum since he was so sure prior to a certain point. | ||
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On August 03 2009 07:42 ~OpZ~ wrote: Rules for NKVD as scum didn't consist of NKVD messaging rebels....they were to wait for messages from rebels. This makes it easier for scum to figure out who is scum. | ||
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On August 03 2009 08:05 ~OpZ~ wrote: No...It doesn't...Lol....Quite the contrary actually... The scum can't message for fear of NKVD, and the NKVD can come to the open, which the scum can't do. But if the scum doesn't message the NKVD then he can't confirm the role. Really...It's not that hard to understand. Scum can message whoever they want. I really don't get why you guys think scum have to be super passive right now. Scum don't have to fear NKVD at all. | ||
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On August 03 2009 08:11 Zato-1 wrote: OpZ and Elemenope: We discussed this in detail for many, many pages already. More importantly, any further discussion on the topic of what NKVD should pose as will probably have no impact on the game other than cluttering up this thread. In the interest of keeping this thread as lean and meaningful as possible, I ask that we drop further discussion on this topic, or take it to PMs / IRC no u | ||
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On August 03 2009 08:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: Burn in hell, mafioso. And don't use indefinite's such as "probably." They really ruin the message you were trying to convey. Scum should fear messaging NKVD...It's suicide any other way.... Only if said scum is being an idiot about it. | ||
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On August 03 2009 08:26 Zato-1 wrote: I normally avoid using them, but in the unlikely scenario that we all magically agree on what NKVD should be posing as, I believe they can still PM Caller and ask to change their disguise. As such, it is not a certainty that further discussion will be fruitless- it is only very probable. Obviously we all draw up a contract that we'll sign that has NKVD posing as a certain role, ne ne? | ||
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On August 03 2009 08:31 Caller wrote: The Atrac Angam? Or the Magnataur Reverse Polarity? Obviously the second one. We also have to have Comrade Kunkka oversee the process along with Comrade | ||
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That I did. | ||
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Ace is scum. Pass it on. | ||
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On August 03 2009 09:20 clazziquai wrote: so im dead soon. fuck russia kk Such rage. | ||
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On August 03 2009 10:07 motbob wrote: This game is incredibly confusing to follow as an uninformed townie, but I'll bet Caller is having a lot of fun right now. Can't wait until roles are revealed. Obviously not uninformed. | ||
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On August 03 2009 10:12 bEsT[Alive] wrote: Wrong thread. gg | ||
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On August 03 2009 10:14 Showtime! wrote: Night's coming I see what you did there. | ||
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On August 03 2009 10:15 motbob wrote: Oops, was my post suspicious? I guess I should have written it in red and inserted Soviet references.... um.... comrade. It's over for you | ||
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On August 03 2009 10:27 motbob wrote: Come on, everyone! Time to rave in celebration! It's quite clear. | ||
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On August 03 2009 10:40 clazziquai wrote: I'LL SEE YOU IN HELL. LOLOLOLRAGE | ||
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On August 03 2009 10:41 Ver wrote: Anyway Kuja is getting killed tonight hf. O RLY | ||
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On August 03 2009 11:11 Zato-1 wrote: So... when is the next day coming? ¬¬ 18 hours? :D Why are you so carefree and looking forward to the next day? Comrade. | ||
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So then you can play Dota with us now, MIRITE? | ||
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wat More like You're in the wrong place. | ||
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On August 03 2009 11:38 So no fek wrote: Hit a rebel, and have 4-5 deserters. In Soviet Russia, town kills you. Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa | ||
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On August 03 2009 14:12 Ace wrote: ^_^ obviously scum | ||
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On August 03 2009 21:47 Ace wrote: hmmm I think you should publicly release those mafia names before anyone does anything Ace aCe acE lololololscumshadesactivate? | ||
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On August 04 2009 07:42 Ace wrote: It was a very smart play from my side. I have no info on clazz, and I also had no info on you. Literally it's the same thing as if L PM'd me and said hey, lynch Elemenope. Why would I do it for no reason? We all know you wouldn't lynch me anyway =3 | ||
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On August 04 2009 10:42 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm scared... scum | ||
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On August 02 2009 16:23 Elemenope wrote: Zato-1=Scum. Who called it? Blind man ezpz. | ||
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Why are you assuming it's the vigi? vigi. | ||
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On August 04 2009 13:17 Ver wrote: I took two hits last night. The medics have all the info as well for they are confirmed now. Vigis (and other roles) I need you to get in contact with me. Mafia killing mafia like Zato-1 are exactly why (but not only why) I can't post their names in the thread. Ace, take care of this crap. | ||
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On August 04 2009 14:22 Scaramanga wrote: Ver isnt scum i know for a fact noobies Is this a roleclaim I see? | ||
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On August 04 2009 14:24 dinmsab wrote: uh ver.. why dont you just post 1 name at a time if your scared? or even 2.. I doubt the revealed mafia would be able to do any "organizing" with the townies flooding their mailbox with red herrings. When the mafia blood starts to flow, the trust of the people would come naturally.. dont try to rush it please. Because 3 people loss is too great a risk in comparison to 3 more mafia dead for a total of 7 in a game of 63 people+role list+communication between medics, DTs, and vigis. Way too great a risk. | ||
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On August 04 2009 14:45 Scaramanga wrote: No but from where i am its pretty fucking obvious that ver isn't scum So where's the benefit from him not releasing us the mafia's name and asking us to "trust him" and R/C to him on the basis of rehashed information? | ||
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On August 04 2009 14:49 Scaramanga wrote: So in a game where the mafia dosent know each other you dont see how its benefical not to post the mafia's names? your worse than ace Because obviously the only people who will come into contact with those mafia are the other mafia. Obviously. | ||
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On August 04 2009 14:53 coltrane wrote: Dont you get it? If they know who they are they dont need to get in touch, just need to avoid killing each other. We cant kill at the same rate and we cant confirm the information at the same rate either. If they don't get in touch, they can't coordinate. They don't have the same kill rate because they risk hitting the same people/veterans and they can't coordinate role checks in the future. We have 1 lynch every day+most likely at least 2 vigis. A scum is dying via lynch today which makes 4 dead scum. We can kill 2 other "mafia according to Ver" with the vigis. Oh look, tomorrow night: one mafia. He has the same information as he had prior to Ver posting the 3 names. Except with the knowledge of 2 other dead mafia. | ||
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On August 04 2009 15:04 Scaramanga wrote: Lol i never said i was good, you on the otherhand think your the greatest mafia player ever "HAI GUYZ LETS KILL TEH ONE CAT THATS ACTUALLY DOING THINGS FOR TEH TOWN YA!" retard Because he's not confirmed. So he's not "ACTUALLY DOING THINGS FOR TEH TOWN YA!" | ||
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On August 04 2009 15:12 Ace wrote: You can deny it all you want but like I said before if you've ever seen me give bad advice that hasn't turned out to be the right thing by the end of the game then you can question me. Your advice on jungle warding is quite suspect. | ||
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On August 04 2009 15:13 motbob wrote: OK idiots. I'm stupid so mafia already knows what role I am, so I'm going to roleclaim. Ace, I hope you're happy. I am a medic. Last night, I protected Ver. Ver was hit twice last night. Ver is the real fucking deal. Vigis should roleclaim to (AND NOT HIT) Ver. Ver has likely mafia targets that make sense from what I've seen in my PMs (when i gave my fucking role to a mafia member arrrgh) That is all. Ace, if you don't accept this, you're mafia and that's it. Get off Ver's back, he's town. lolololol | ||
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On August 04 2009 15:17 motbob wrote: You can say fuccckkkk all you want but I'm dead tonight either way. Like I said mafia knows my role. So you gave out your role to a mafia. Yet you were alive through the night. So in the past 3 hours, you managed to R/C to someone? Come on. | ||
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On August 04 2009 15:21 motbob wrote: The mafia thought he still had me convinced he was NKVD. So then who is this mafia? Oh wait, you don't want to say. LET'S HELP THE TOWN GUYS. | ||
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On August 04 2009 15:27 motbob wrote: Well Ver has a good reason for keeping his mafias a secret, but I guess I don't. It's RebirthofLegend. I'm going to have to call bullshit on this. No one can possibly be so fucking moronic as to role claim to this guy. | ||
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On August 04 2009 15:31 motbob wrote: Sorry -_- I was busy with other stuff and I just sort of roleclaimed. A few minutes later I was like (that was probably a bad idea. And I hadn't even read the thread! Because yo mannn I just used my role check today to check you, and you came back as a Ukrainian too, I was trying to figure out how Caller wrote clues and I guess I got it (or got lucky rofl) just PM me back so we can get this Ukrainian death machine rolling, the sooner we organized the better. If you don't want to PM me back yet, I suggest using your power and checking me too. obviously means "HEY MAN, I'M NKVD, WHAT'S YOUR ROLE ROFLSUP" Like jesus fucking christ, you apparently don't even read your goddamn PMs. Why would we ever think you would read the thread? | ||
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On August 04 2009 15:38 Ace wrote: ok. So that makes Kuja dying by lynch, RoL dying by rape - anyone else you want to kill? I can take care of that too. Please kill Motbob. I'm sure that he won't even notice he's dead because he doesn't read anything at all. | ||
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On August 04 2009 15:41 Ace wrote: I am loling so hard. Seriously I can't believe this was the big coverup. RoL was suspect on pretty much the entire town's list. But since I have some faith in Ver, I'm sure he has something bigger up his sleeve. Elemenope get back in ggc so I can lulz some more. Eh, I thought my ggc was fine. Last message I saw was testie saying "hosted" but meh, I relogged and said 'ace?' in clan chat. On August 04 2009 15:42 Chezinu wrote: Omg, your lolling too!!! There is quite many a lolling going on. On August 04 2009 15:42 motbob wrote: Oh nononono RoL isn't a mafia that Ver was hiding. This isn't the coverup. Wait, you're actually reading the thread? | ||
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scum. to the end of that pm. You can add it yourself. | ||
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Scum. As is Opz. As is Ace and Ver and motbob. | ||
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Ver has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in terms of giving us new information. All of it is just information ALREADY STATED. No one gives a fuck who found Clazz or who found Kuja. Fuck, if Kuja weren't such a dumbfuck and turned out to be townie, you guys would start crying because half of you already role claimed to Ver based on UNVERIFIABLE INFORMATION. Ver *still* hasn't posted these mafia names. And for what? "THEY'LL IMPLICATE OTHER PEOPLE!" Ok, gee. If it were *anybody* other than Ace, L, Ver, all you cunts would be saying "WE CAN'T TRUST HIM, RELEASE THESE NAMES." You guys are playing with Ver's balls so much. The only reason Ver can get away with this is because he's a big name. "Hey, let me write a long post and not explain anything new and rehash information while saying I also have new mafia names while not stating who these mafia are, even after they can't kill me or these people that would be compromised". Jesus fucking christ, how the fuck can you guys even role claim after nothing new was said. Ver brought *nothing new* to the table at all. He's giving us a "Hey, trust me, I have mafia, not going to say who, but trust me, I'm a big name". You guys are backwards like hell. Asking Ace to role claim based on his Clazziquai information, yet you guys blindly trust Ver based on his.....old information? At least Ace fucking did something to help the town so far. "OH BUT THEY'RE GOING TO RAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY" Jesus christ this is a fucking non-issue. It's 3 people max that can rally. Oh look at that, we have at least 2 vigs, and we have a lynch tomorrow. HOLY SHIT PROBLEM SOLVED. They can't get other people into their doomed 3 person circle as everybody else can be like "hey man, this is a long PM explaining why I'm mafia, trust me, everybody seems to do it" "BUT MY ASSOCIATES AND FRIENDS ETC ARE GOING TO DIIIIIIIIIE BY THESE MAFIA IF NAMES ARE RELEASED" So we trade 3 people for 3 mafia when they're already going to be down 4. So you think there's 20 mafia or something? They get no new information, no new rallying point. In comparison, we can get our own communication web set up based upon the veracity of your claims of these mafia which means coordination between remaining power roles unlike mafia, who are boned because of Kuja and going to be down 7 mafia by 4th night if you were to release these names. "BUT HE'S VER, HE DOESN'T NEED TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF" Right. Jesus christ, you guys are like fucking sheep every single goddamn game. Why you guys don't have the word 'doubt' in your vocabulary is beyond me. Moving on to a different subject: Motbob's roleclaim. This is so fucking far out there, I am seriously fucking doubting it. On August 04 2009 15:21 motbob wrote: The mafia thought he still had me convinced he was NKVD. On August 04 2009 15:27 motbob wrote: Well Ver has a good reason for keeping his mafias a secret, but I guess I don't. It's RebirthofLegend. Ok. Anybody who got the PM, which is everybody in the WHOLE MAFIA FORUM it seems since even fucking CALLER GOT THE PM, knows that it didn't REMOTELY IMPLY NKVD AT FUCKING ALL. yo mannn I just used my role check today to check you, and you came back as a Ukrainian too, I was trying to figure out how Caller wrote clues and I guess I got it (or got lucky rofl) just PM me back so we can get this Ukrainian death machine rolling, the sooner we organized the better. If you don't want to PM me back yet, I suggest using your power and checking me too. I can surely see what is going on through medic motbob's mind: "OH SHIT, THIS GUY IS CLAIMING TO BE UKRAINIAN AND IS CALLING ME UKRAINIAN. HE IS SURE DOING A GOOD JOB CONVINCING ME HE'S NKVD. LET ME ROLE CLAIM TO HIM." Like come the fuck on. I'm going to restate it: On August 04 2009 15:28 Elemenope wrote: I'm going to have to call bullshit on this. No one can possibly be so fucking moronic as to role claim to this guy. YOU CAN'T EVEN USE THE EXCUSE OF NOT READING THE THREAD SINCE HE HAD NO MENTION OF NKVD OR IMPLICATION OF SUCH IN THAT FUCKING PM. And somehow you protecting Ver makes Ver legit. Because mafia can't target other mafia. BECAUSE HE GOT SAVED TWICE! Because that second save is full of as much truth as that first save. OK BRB GOING TO ROLE CLAIM TO VER. How the fuck you're even still alive after night 2 if you truly did R/C to someone is beyond me since RoL could've had someone else kill you. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THIS PERSON IS, JUST FUCKING QUIT THE GAME. On August 04 2009 20:20 Shikyo wrote: I don't get some things still. Elemenope, for example. Suggesting that everyone is scum? Could be a mafia ploy to cause confusion, or it could be a method to make people ignore you. But it could also just be for the sake of bragging that you were right in the case you were a townie. Not anywhere close. On August 04 2009 18:25 coltrane wrote: We need info. Stop trolling the thread. Funny, since the guy you guys seem to blindly trust is lacking in the whole giving the town information department. There has been quite many lulz going on in these 3 days, but it's more becoming of a facepalm as I see people blindly trusting others based upon word simply because they want an easy way out of thinking. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DOUBT AND THINK, DON'T PLAY THE FUCKING GAME. | ||
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On August 05 2009 00:48 Scaramanga wrote: Elemenope rofl at you, you are scum for sure You sure refuted my points quite well. | ||
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On August 05 2009 01:53 Scaramanga wrote: OMFG I DIDNT POST IN ALL CAPS DOES THAT MEAN I CANT REFUTE YOUR POINTS WELL QUESTIONMARK! On August 05 2009 00:50 Elemenope wrote: You sure refuted my points quite well. | ||
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On August 05 2009 01:54 coltrane wrote: Elemenope you said nothing new. Scaramanga is the only one who blind trust Ver, I dont want to lynch him now because we gain nothing. Or he is green/red or no one with a role trust him, so your rage is just a waste. A lot of people blindly trust Ver. | ||
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On August 05 2009 02:07 coltrane wrote: So you are telling us nothing new... Just like you... | ||
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Which is better: Being sheep and R/Cing to Ver blindly who is not confirmed and who seems sketchy at this moment? Or not R/Cing to anybody at all until someone is a confirmed townie? I'm not trying to make a division. I'm trying to make people stop and think about their actions before they r/c to someone. Saying that I'm dividing the town is implying that Ver is townie, so I'm sure you r/ced to him too. | ||
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On August 05 2009 02:24 coltrane wrote: Is good to read something else than "*** is scum, for sure" from you, but relax, if Ver is mafia he is at least incompetent. Except half the town is also incompetent and I'm sure just as many r/ced to him because a) He's Ver b) He made a long post c) He's getting backup from Scara and motbob d) nobody else other than myself and Ace are actually voicing opposition in this So basically if he's mafia, we're boned because people are fucking retarded just as usual. | ||
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Rage more. Scum. | ||
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On August 05 2009 08:09 ~OpZ~ wrote: I AM........SCUM Not rly tho. Scum. | ||
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On August 05 2009 11:03 Caller wrote: [/b]execution voting will not be enforced wat | ||
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On August 05 2009 14:19 Scaramanga wrote: God this game was good untill everyone decided to stop posting, at least this shows how stupid elemenope is "COME ON MAN TELL US PEOPLES ROLES AND WHO MAFIA ARE" "you relise mafia dont know who each other are" "BUT ITS NOT LIKE THEY'LL RELISE THAT, YOUR SCUM BECAUSE YOU KNOW MAFIA" lol This just shows how you don't even read posts. How the fuck can the named mafia coordinate with the unnamed mafia if they have the whole town PMing them with a mafia role claim? | ||
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On August 05 2009 17:56 Scaramanga wrote: Uhh if ver posts his mafia list then the mafia know each other, are you that dumb that you cant see this? The 3 mafia. While we have 1 lynch, and at least 2 vigis. Are you that dumb that you can't see this? | ||
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On August 05 2009 18:58 Scaramanga wrote: more than 3 yo On August 03 2009 21:43 Ver wrote: In addition, 3 more have already been found and will be killed once the vigi's get in touch with me. Only concerned about these 3. I couldn't care less about any new "mafia" Ver "found". | ||
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On August 06 2009 04:16 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: If you don't believe I am a rebel, I am going to announce my kill later in the day and I assure you that person will die. Because it's not as if medics exist or anything. | ||
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On August 06 2009 12:39 Chezinu wrote: When is day post coming up? I see what you did there. | ||
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On August 06 2009 16:02 Scaramanga wrote: So ace is killing chezinu the scum? awsome elemenope is still being stuipd? awsome OH NO VER SAID SHIKYO IS MAFIA, NOW MAFIA ARE GOING TO RALLY AROUND SHIKYO. | ||
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On August 06 2009 23:32 Scaramanga wrote: Fuck your retarded, stop posting already | ||
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On August 07 2009 00:52 Shikyo wrote: Seems like I'm getting vigi'd tonight? I guess I'll take this time to say that I don't like this format at all. Even with like 10 modkills, it still feels unbelievably imbalanced, even impossible for rebels. You can blame Kuja for screwing it up if you'd like. It's quite easy to get the rebels to organize because of what caller did with the PM roles. | ||
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He posted Ukrainian Rebel: You are corrupt criminal that is poisoning our country! After Ukrainian Resistance Leader was executed by NKVD, you do not know fellow Ukrainians, nyet nyet nyet! You may do research on one person a night, da, to determine their role, or you may kill one person a night-be warned, you may kill own treacherous scum if you are not careful, da! which is what is in the original post. Kuja replied with Ukrainian Rebel: You are defender of Ukrainian Republic from all those that seek your destruction! You have two abilities, one usable per night: you may kill a person or you may role check them. Be warned, you do not know who the other Ukrainians are! Your job is to reduce the Red Army down to a force that can be dealt with. Find your fellow Ukrainians and coordinate your attacks! Be weary of infiltrators, however! It's logical to assume that since Kuja is rebel, all rebels received this same PM instead of the one in the original post. Only one scum just simply had to say at the start before even FM was elected: I'm a rebel. Our role PMs are different than the original post. PM your role PM if you're rebel and we'll organize. Don't PM anybody else with your role PM. At the time, no one even suspected that the role PMs were different for rebels. The townspeople would PM the guy with what scara posted while some rebels would PM him with the real role PM. Ace would've been elected-lynched either Vivi or said self-claiming rebel. Rebel appears as rebel if first day lynched, still organizes the others through PM/other rebels may still PM him the role PM afterwards and they'd still get organized. If Vivi was still lynched, self-claiming rebel kills someone first night (doesn't matter who), links clues to himself. Other rebels PM him with role PM. In a game where you have no information and you need to find your allies, you can't be passive with your actions. Rolechecking->kill takes too long. The correct course of action would be for one scum to sacrifice himself so that other rebels can band together. You can do this before FM is elected, though first night kill/being first lynch just helps solidify it. Scum played too passively in this game. Half the town playing the whole PM game doesn't help (for either side), but whatever. This is exactly why I wanted Ver to release names, simply because a) names are released anyway, as shown by Shikyo, Clazz, Kuja, RoL, yet scum still haven't done anything at all that even remotely looks like coordination, and b) it actually would show his stance more. We had nothing to go on other than his word, which in a game of mafia, you are supposed to doubt naturally. Those without role checking abilities (read: everybody but NKVD and rebels) had nothing else to go on from Ver's claims, especially since it was not any new information. Anybody can put a spin on anything that's been said to make themselves look pro-town, and I wouldn't put it past Ver, Ace, L, mbh, Qatol, and multiple others to do so in order to gain town trust and a list of roles. I only trust Ver as of last night due to confirmation by 3 different people. And even then, I'm still tentative about what side one of those people are on. Keeping the town out of the loop only serves to promote appearance of inactivity and true inactiveness. Sure, some townies may not vote because they're townies and die first night. But then there's other townies who do enjoy the game, yet can't truly participate due to people being completely entrenched on playing the PM game. As much as PMs are a strategy, the fact that more and more of these mafia games are becoming more and more PM based and inner-town circles via PM is just annoying. There's quite a distinction between discretion, and completely ignoring the thread in favor of "safe PMs". | ||
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what would give any reason for this? Everybody else's role has been always the same as posted in the first page as pretty much as far back as I can remember. Yet suddenly, scum PMs are different. Even if a person were to claim, Ace lynches him and becomes confirmed. | ||
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Even just saying "I'm rebel, don't PM anybody else your roles, wait until first lynch/my first kill before PMing me your roles" is enough of a deterrent for idiots like Kuja to fall for other people's crap. Oh look, you don't necessarily collaborate before first lynch, but you also prevent others from falling into a trap. After that point, then yes, individual players are to blame; but it isn't that hard to come together. It's just that role-claiming mafia is apparently so outlandish in a game where mafia don't know each other that it isn't given a thought. | ||
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On August 07 2009 02:47 Shikyo wrote: So if you were a rebel and someone whose role you can't confirm told you to pm him your role, you'd do it? Ok. Half the town did with Ver. I said it before: if you're that worried, then wait til after first lynch/first night kill. No rebel wanted to take initiative and that's what caused you all to lose. | ||
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On August 08 2009 07:48 Ace wrote: yea, but they listened to me. Didn't think they would. LOL so dumb. lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol | ||
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On August 10 2009 09:44 chaoser wrote: cause i'm bodyguard and either way i'm dead and also this game is seriously screwed. half the convos are of ace and emel talking about dota and dickign around. mafia are dead anyway. Someone's jealous that he isn't playing dota. | ||
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