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[GSL] Liquid`Jinro Ro4 Foreigner Special
January 24th, 2011 09:25 GMT
GSL Code S Ro4 Foreigner Special: Liquid`JinroBy LovedropImages courtesy of playxp
Liquid`Jinro = Red | MarineKingPrime.WE = Blue
T2 Game 1 - Scrap Station T12 + Show Spoiler [Show Recap] +MK builds his barracks on the low ground foregoing gas, while Jinro's starting build is a lot more standard with gas at 13. MK only starts his gas after he has enough minerals for his command center, and slowly walls up the path between his main and natural. Jinro's factory/starport is hidden at the right of his base, while setting up for a blue flame hellion drop. Jinro drops the hellions off in the main base, while reuniting his medivac with his marines out front. The hellions grab a few SCV kills, and MK does a sloppy job defending, trapping his units in a narrow passage. Jinro also harasses the expansion, but does not deal as much damage as stim kicks in to clean up the drop. Single file ? This isn't elementary school. A banshee glides in after the hellions to continue the damage while Jinro simultaneously expands. Jinro's first two banshees rack up over 20 kills, but his subsequent banshees do not put up the same amount of success. MK loads up two medivacs full of marines and heads towards Jinro's natural, but the drop is spotted and is quickly nullified. Jinro gets ready to push across the middle passageway with tanks and marines, setting up right outside MK's ramp. MK loads up a large amount of units in six medivacs and doom drops Jinro's main. The turret rings take out a few loaded medivacs, but the units that survived wreak havoc on Jinro's production facilities. Jinro denies MK the expansion at 5 o'clock and cleans up the natural before pulling back. MK once again loads up a huge amount of units to drop on Jinro's high ground ledge, but a marine at the watchtower caught a glimpse of the medivac fleet and Jinro had no problem defending. Jinro floats a CC to the island while grabbing the 10 o'clock third, and once again denies MK the gold. As MK floats his main CC to another expansion, a cloaked banshee is tearing his army apart, and an engagement at the watchtower leaves MK with very little units. MK makes a cute move trying to shut down Jinro's expansion, but with triple the amount of food, Jinro calmly finished off the game to take the important first game. [28:42] T1 Game 2 - Steppes of War T7 + Show Spoiler [Show Recap] +Both players open similarly to game 1, with MK going fast CC and a more standard opening for Jinro. Jinro attaches a tech lab to his factory and a reactor to his barracks, prompting a tank/marine push with a hovering barracks to scout. MK's bunker wall is shattered and he is now making a banshee. Jinro slow pushes up the ramp with his tanks, forcing MK back. As Jinro walks up the ramp however, his marines lagged behind and as his tanks took the brunt of the damage, Jinro is forced back down. The tanks had sieged and blocked the ramp, thus the marines were stuck behind. MK floats his CC to the gold, and sneaks a banshee into Jinro's base. Jinro's viking is halfway across the map, and has to track back to the main. MK drags a handful of SCVs to bust down the ramp, losing a few units but easily breaking down Jinro's contain. Jinro's expansion has not started yet. MK checks the other gold to make sure he isn't being fooled himself, and contains Jinro outside of his own natural. Jinro attempts to crawl his way back into the game by sniping medivacs with his viking superiority. Still unaware of the gold expansion, Jinro begins banshee production, given he already has air superiority. Seconds later, MK spreads out his units for a wider arc, and simply overran the little amount of units of Jinro and ties up the game. [17:47] T5 Game 3 - Jungle Basin T11 + Show Spoiler [Show Recap] +MarineKing starts his barracks behind his center expo, confusing Jinro's scout as he sees absolutely nothing inside MK's base. Jinro spots the second gas going up, and spreads his marines across the map to check for any proxy buildings. Unbeknown to Jinro, MK begins a starport right outside the rocks of Jinro's back door expansion. Jinro looks to be aggressive with his three marines, and does surprisingly well as he picks off 2 marines, 2 SCVs, a hellion and a supply depot. MK has banshees and cloak underway, and the first banshee takes less than 5 seconds to begin working on the SCVs at Jinro's natural. Jinro could not get the turret to go up before losing all his SCVs at the natural, scoring the banshees 15 kills, with marines included. Another banshee joins the fray, and cloaked banshees just hover around Jinro's base, picking off as many SCVs as they can. Back at his own base, MK has already started his expansion. SCV count is 25 for MK and 19 for Jinro. Jinro stabilizes and gets his expansion going, and now MK breaks down the backdoor rocks with an army consisting of tanks and marines. Jinro is forced to bring SCVs, further reducing his worker count. Jinro's own banshee and siege mode finally gets rid of the threat, but now MK is leading by 15 workers, and a total of 27 food. MK once again tries to punish Jinro's lack of units, but this time did minimal damage before he is forced to retreat. Jinro's hero banshee continues to help him get back into this game, scoring 9 SCV kills at the other end before he is chased down. MK takes the center expansion, and gears up for a huge push to the front of Jinro's base. MK's marines overwhelm the bunker and with Jinro's tanks set up at the natural, MK stims in for a 2-1 lead in the series. [16:44] T7 Game 4 - Xel'Naga Caverns T1 + Show Spoiler [Show Recap] +Both players go for the fast expand, with Jinro grabbing two gas and 1/1/1 behind it, while MK with his traditional mass marines 3 barracks. MK surprises everyone by taking down the rocks and expands to the gold. The quick combat shield enables MK to take both watchtowers after playing cat and mouse with Jinro's marines. Jinro begins cloaked banshees and picks off 8 SCVs between MK's natural and main. Jinro's 2nd banshee finally scouts the gold base, and once reaching a sizable amount of tanks, pushes up along the left side to force MK to lift his gold orbital. MK circles around the right side, hoping to counterattack, but is met by bunkers and a few leftover tanks. MK is now maxed on MMM army and gets ready to break Jinro's advancing siege push. MK suicides all the SCVs that had abandoned the gold from the north while stimming in with his army from the right! MK suffers disastrous casualties but is able to clean up every single unit of Jinros. However, since he sacrificed so many SCVs, the food count is now in favor of Jinro. Many SCVs were harmed in the process of this screenshot. Jinro takes out the rocks at his own gold, getting ready to grab his third, while MK fails at his attempt to use the bottom tunnel to deal damage. After faking a retreat, MK dashes in again and this time deals a sufficient blow, forcing Jinro to pull back for a second time. After Jinro has moved out with his siege tanks, MK snipes Jinro's planetary fortress at the gold, dealing a severe blow to Jinro's economy. A successful flank at the left watchtower decimated Jinro's army, while MK's ability to dance his army around the map makes it extremely difficult for Jinro to have an advantageous engagement. MK catches Jinro out of position once again to pick off the CC in construction. With no real economy at his disposal, Jinro marches out for one last push. Jinro takes out MK's expansion at 11 o'clock, and MK dispatches a small counterattack force to clean up Jinro's base. With Jinro sieged at his natural, MK buffers his army with more sacrificial peons and overwhelms Jinro, triumphantly making his return to the finals. [25:17]
TLAF-Liquid`Jinro Post Semifinals Interview Tough loss. What's your take on what happened vs. MarineKing?Hm, well I was definitely outplayed in the last game, in the Jungle Basin game I just messed up really hard because I got overenthusiastic when my marines were killing his depot :D . In the Steppes game, I got a bit overeager to end it too, and then his good defense bit me in the ass. Game 1 went according to plan, except for him getting siege tanks - didn't expect that. MarineKing plays a very unique style. How did you do against it in practice?Decently, but I think to beat him I'd need more prep time, as he plays this style everyday whereas most other Terrans don't play in that style, so I don't know this specific matchup (his style vs a more normal terran style) as well as he does. Looking back on your Code S run, what are you especially proud of? What do you regret?Winning TvP with mech on TV was a very nice feeling. I regret losing games I should have won, such as vs Check and the first match against MarineKing, which led to team mates getting knocked out. I also regret not setting my goal as winning the tournament and nothing else (I had a goal of making it back to the semis), as during the semis I didn't feel nearly as nervous as during any other game, which isn't good - it indicates I didn't want the win enough. In a previous interview, you said you felt you needed to prove last season's run wasn't a fluke. You made it back to the semifinals, where you finished before. Do you consider that progress?I think I played a lot tougher opponents this time, and even in the games where I lost (ie vs MarineKing), I was at least for the most part playing pretty well. So yes, progress in that regard. Do you feel player and fan opinion about you has changed in Korea?The reception to me losing seem to have been a lot better than last time I lost, i.e. no "overrated" posts at all from what I've seen but I have no idea how I'm supposed to tell if people are see me differently apart from that. The oGs guys treat me like they've always done. Lots of people ask for autographs, but that's not new. We've heard you've been feeling under the weather lately. Are you going to take a break or rest up before the next Code S tournament? How long do you have?Well, as soon as the games vs MKP ended I noticed a pretty serious throat-pain, and everything just got worse from there - fever etc. I actually thought it was all caused by not getting any sleep, so I even went to the gym when I got back. Not such a good idea as it turns out, now I'm sick AND sore. I don't know when the next GSL starts, I didn't plan to take any real time off but since I'm sick there's no choice really. What are your goals for the next GSL?To win and only to win. Both this and the last GSL my goals weren't victory focused enough - for GSL 1, I wanted code S and when I played the semis I was kinda expecting to lose. For GSL 2, I wanted to prove my last run wasn't a fluke so once I got to the semis, I wasn't really expecting to lose but I was a bit too... satisfied I guess. You felt different before these matches?For every other GSL game, aside from last Semis, I've been nauseatingly nervous. Every time I'd have something to drink after the first game, my arm would shake - especially if I'd just won. But this semis, nothing. While its good in that I didn't make the kind of mistakes I sometimes do when nervous, like miss depots etc, I don't think its good from the standpoint of being mentally sharp, on edge. So my goal for next season is to get into the semis, feel terrible and win them then get into the finals and feel the same way and win those too. How will you prepare differently next season?I want to work on my overall game and mechanics for the next GSL. Both MarineKing and MVP are extremely active ladder players, and I think their ability to just beat opponents with standard, strong play saves them a lot of mental strength in the earlier rounds of GSLs, whereas I usually spend a lot of time and effort preparing new things from the first round to the last, energy that could be better saved for the later rounds I think. Any shout-outs you want to give?Thanks to TOP for the game 1 build/strategy, and to TOP, Ensnare, Hyperdub, Supernova (ex-Woongjin Stars progamer SaiR, now in oGs) and NEXSkit for their help in practicing. Thanks to Nazgul for, as always watching a ton of my games and offering his advice. Thanks to our sponsors, TheLittleAppFactory, as always, and to Matt in particular for his support. Any last words for your fans?Thanks for watching and supporting, hopefully I'll see you at the finals next GSL. Thanks for the interview, feel better!Thanks.
GSL Code S Foreigner Special Conclusion
This is the last Foreigner Special news post for this season. We hope you enjoyed this feature, and we'll be back next season to cover the Code S matches of Jinro and Idra, as well as hopefully the Code A matches of other international players in Korea.
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Well as they say in Pokemon.. Gotta catch'em all ! Well played Jinro and I really do hope you take the finals next GSL.
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Both MarineKing and MVP are extremely active ladder players, and I think their ability to just beat opponents with standard, strong play saves them a lot of mental strength in the earlier rounds of GSLs, whereas I usually spend a lot of time and effort preparing new things from the first round to the last, energy that could be better saved for the later rounds I think.
I found this really interesting, knowing that the two best (arguably but up there somewhere at least) terrans spends most of thier practice time laddering. I also read from Jinros post that he mostly play practice games against teammates?
I might be wrong here, but i do think that is a very BW style of practising? Pherhaps since SC2 is still new just laddering away like crazy is a better option at this stage, at least until you get your standard play up to the same level as MVP and MKP.
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Very sad to see Jinro lose, but hopefully he will manage to win it the next time!
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Jinro: That's an excuse-laden interview if I've ever read one. Absolutely disgusting. Dan and Nick never pass up an opportunity to tell us how manly you are, but your weak-willed, inadequate answers further demonstrate how far their heads are up their asses.
I hope your game metamorphisizes into something worth watching (and playing). Good luck! from a former fan.
User was banned for this post.
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In my opinion you do really see the progress Jinro made in Game 1. Harrassing all over the time, with Banshee's, Rine and Hellion drops. And after being in a good position he stayed calm and focussed by placing these sensor towers. He made a good decision in not being overeager when the counter drop landed in his base... etc.
I'd like to see you winning this whole thing the next time Jinro! Best wishes from Germany !
And get well soon
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Israel2209 Posts
On January 24 2011 18:25 Lovedrop wrote: This is the last Foreigner Special news post for this season. We hope you enjoyed this feature, and we'll be back next season to cover the Code S matches of Jinro and Idra, as well as hopefully the Code A matches of other international players in Korea.
This was great guys, thanks for all the hard work this season Can't wait for next season
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Well played and good luck in the next GSL. Amazing run, we are all incredibly proud of you <3
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Jinro will make it next season, no doubt, taking out someone like MC is no fluke and he showed that he can tip toe with people like MKP, so no doubt in my mind that he can take GSL Feb.!
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Get well soon and GL for next season!!
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On January 24 2011 18:45 betakeyless wrote: Jinro: That's an excuse-laden interview if I've ever read one. Absolutely disgusting. Dan and Nick never pass up an opportunity to tell us how manly you are, but your weak-willed, inadequate answers further demonstrate how far their heads are up their asses.
I hope your game metamorphisizes into something worth watching (and playing). Good luck! from a former fan.
Are you serious? I can't tell
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Jinro is so awesome, that statement about being sore and sick was hilarious. It definitely sounds like him. Definitely my favorite foreigner not just because he's great but because hes so well mannered. Thumbs up to him.
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On January 24 2011 18:35 DND_Enkil wrote:Show nested quote +Both MarineKing and MVP are extremely active ladder players, and I think their ability to just beat opponents with standard, strong play saves them a lot of mental strength in the earlier rounds of GSLs, whereas I usually spend a lot of time and effort preparing new things from the first round to the last, energy that could be better saved for the later rounds I think. I found this really interesting, knowing that the two best (arguably but up there somewhere at least) terrans spends most of thier practice time laddering. I also read from Jinros post that he mostly play practice games against teammates? I might be wrong here, but i do think that is a very BW style of practising? Pherhaps since SC2 is still new just laddering away like crazy is a better option at this stage, at least until you get your standard play up to the same level as MVP and MKP.
I don't think his point was about ladder so much, more that MKP and MVP can get through the first rounds just through superior, standard play without preparing too much for their opponents, whereas he's felt pressured to prepare something special for every round.
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On January 24 2011 18:59 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 18:45 betakeyless wrote: Jinro: That's an excuse-laden interview if I've ever read one. Absolutely disgusting. Dan and Nick never pass up an opportunity to tell us how manly you are, but your weak-willed, inadequate answers further demonstrate how far their heads are up their asses.
I hope your game metamorphisizes into something worth watching (and playing). Good luck! from a former fan. Are you serious? I can't tell def a troll look at his post count, that'll be his last post too
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On January 24 2011 18:45 betakeyless wrote: Jinro: That's an excuse-laden interview if I've ever read one. Absolutely disgusting. Dan and Nick never pass up an opportunity to tell us how manly you are, but your weak-willed, inadequate answers further demonstrate how far their heads are up their asses.
I hope your game metamorphisizes into something worth watching (and playing). Good luck! from a former fan.
you are a complete dick!
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On January 24 2011 18:45 betakeyless wrote: Jinro: That's an excuse-laden interview if I've ever read one. Absolutely disgusting. Dan and Nick never pass up an opportunity to tell us how manly you are, but your weak-willed, inadequate answers further demonstrate how far their heads are up their asses.
I hope your game metamorphisizes into something worth watching (and playing). Good luck! from a former fan. This is the worst post I've ever seen on TL.
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Can't wait for next season. =)
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On January 24 2011 19:02 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 18:35 DND_Enkil wrote:Both MarineKing and MVP are extremely active ladder players, and I think their ability to just beat opponents with standard, strong play saves them a lot of mental strength in the earlier rounds of GSLs, whereas I usually spend a lot of time and effort preparing new things from the first round to the last, energy that could be better saved for the later rounds I think. I found this really interesting, knowing that the two best (arguably but up there somewhere at least) terrans spends most of thier practice time laddering. I also read from Jinros post that he mostly play practice games against teammates? I might be wrong here, but i do think that is a very BW style of practising? Pherhaps since SC2 is still new just laddering away like crazy is a better option at this stage, at least until you get your standard play up to the same level as MVP and MKP. I don't think his point was about ladder so much, more that MKP and MVP can get through the first rounds just through superior, standard play without preparing too much for their opponents, whereas he's felt pressured to prepare something special for every round.
Well he brought up that they are extremely active ladderers and contributed this to thier ability to go through earlier rounds without preparing specificly for each opponent. At least i took it as he meant that they where able to do this because they ladder so much.
Will we see Jinro being top of the korean ladder before next GSL? I can only hope =)
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Work hard, stay healthy and with the skill progression Jinro has shown us I have no doubt he will win it. GorillaTerran Fighting!!
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Awesome run, Jinro! Good luck next season
And this is probably a stupid question, but as a newcomer to the StarCraft scene with SC2, I never actually found out what the Z7 and T11 stuff means on either side of the map name. Is it just Race Played and Number of Wins so far for that map?
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On January 24 2011 18:45 betakeyless wrote: Jinro: That's an excuse-laden interview if I've ever read one. Absolutely disgusting. Dan and Nick never pass up an opportunity to tell us how manly you are, but your weak-willed, inadequate answers further demonstrate how far their heads are up their asses.
I hope your game metamorphisizes into something worth watching (and playing). Good luck! from a former fan.
because quite obviously you're a MUCH better player. tell me, are you in korea, planning on playing in the gsl? no? well dang bro maybe you should have some of the confidence you're expecting from other people. or you could just do the world a favor and stfu.
forgot what i was posting about cuz of that. ANYWAY, thx for the coverage and recaps; no matter what kind of criticism pops up, you've definitely proven your skill level jinro, best luck and wishes in the future (tear up the korean ladder! >:D)
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On January 24 2011 19:13 Aflixion wrote:Awesome run, Jinro! Good luck next season And this is probably a stupid question, but as a newcomer to the StarCraft scene with SC2, I never actually found out what the Z7 and T11 stuff means on either side of the map name. Is it just Race Played and Number of Wins so far for that map? Race and starting position on the map.
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On January 24 2011 19:16 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 19:13 Aflixion wrote:Awesome run, Jinro! Good luck next season And this is probably a stupid question, but as a newcomer to the StarCraft scene with SC2, I never actually found out what the Z7 and T11 stuff means on either side of the map name. Is it just Race Played and Number of Wins so far for that map? Race and starting position on the map.
*gasp* it all makes sense now. Thanks a bunch ^_^
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On January 24 2011 18:45 betakeyless wrote: Jinro: That's an excuse-laden interview if I've ever read one. Absolutely disgusting. Dan and Nick never pass up an opportunity to tell us how manly you are, but your weak-willed, inadequate answers further demonstrate how far their heads are up their asses.
I hope your game metamorphisizes into something worth watching (and playing). Good luck! from a former fan.
User was banned for this post. Why miss the subtlety lesson at troll school? Your teachers will be so disappointed in your failiure. Your tribe may even throw you out from under the bridge. Then where will you go?
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On January 24 2011 19:13 Aflixion wrote:Awesome run, Jinro! Good luck next season And this is probably a stupid question, but as a newcomer to the StarCraft scene with SC2, I never actually found out what the Z7 and T11 stuff means on either side of the map name. Is it just Race Played and Number of Wins so far for that map?
Spawning position according to the clock, colour and race.
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GL in next GSL jinro and hopefully you will get over your sickness.
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Great games I enjoyed the series, seeyou next season Jinro
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On January 24 2011 19:08 DND_Enkil wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 19:02 Orome wrote:On January 24 2011 18:35 DND_Enkil wrote:Both MarineKing and MVP are extremely active ladder players, and I think their ability to just beat opponents with standard, strong play saves them a lot of mental strength in the earlier rounds of GSLs, whereas I usually spend a lot of time and effort preparing new things from the first round to the last, energy that could be better saved for the later rounds I think. I found this really interesting, knowing that the two best (arguably but up there somewhere at least) terrans spends most of thier practice time laddering. I also read from Jinros post that he mostly play practice games against teammates? I might be wrong here, but i do think that is a very BW style of practising? Pherhaps since SC2 is still new just laddering away like crazy is a better option at this stage, at least until you get your standard play up to the same level as MVP and MKP. I don't think his point was about ladder so much, more that MKP and MVP can get through the first rounds just through superior, standard play without preparing too much for their opponents, whereas he's felt pressured to prepare something special for every round. Well he brought up that they are extremely active ladderers and contributed this to thier ability to go through earlier rounds without preparing specificly for each opponent. At least i took it as he meant that they where able to do this because they ladder so much. Will we see Jinro being top of the korean ladder before next GSL? I can only hope =)
The way I understood it he brought up ladder to illustrate that the both of them can just practice normally (not even MU-specific) instead of having to prepare too much specifically for their opponents, but who knows.
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Amazing run Jinro hopefully you'll get the finals next season. Get well soon and hopefully we'll be able to get a ladder replay pack from you soon? :-D
Also thanks for the foreigner specials, much appreciated, as well as all GSL coverage so far, thx TL.
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On January 24 2011 19:13 Aflixion wrote:Awesome run, Jinro! Good luck next season And this is probably a stupid question, but as a newcomer to the StarCraft scene with SC2, I never actually found out what the Z7 and T11 stuff means on either side of the map name. Is it just Race Played and Number of Wins so far for that map?
The numbers indicate the spawn location of the player on the given map, so for example Z7 means the zerg player spawned at 7 o'clock location on that map.
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Good read, good luck in the next season
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Jinro, u made the non-korean world proud, once again! ur time in the finals will come if u keep it up! You show us that there is nothing supirior with the koreans. hard work, passion and a fancy beanie is enough! thank you for that!
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Jinro! You forgot to thank the people that helped u prep for the series! And your sponsors! Who helped you practice this TvT?
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Sad that Jinro is out, but I'm absolutely sure that no one is disappointed in his performance. Get better soon Jinro and practice hard!
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Wow, this sickness is still spreading around the house? Maybe they need to be a bit more aware in that regard and to avoid passing/receiving it.
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Very good interview, Jinro is lucid and that's very, very important to improve. His training is paying of, he's improving much faster and the progress are visible, I'm sure he'll go far
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Get better soon Chinro. You make us all proud.
Its to bad that it worked out this way. The way you played your first map against MKP was splendid to see.
GL HF in further GSL's
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Good games, good interview and good luck in the next season. This season has been the best one so far, so its a huge progress even tho you ended at the same spot statistically.
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Congratz once again for making this far and giving us some of the best games so far!
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Jinro you are a great player , no doubt .. But if you really want to be like MVP or MKP on the ladder you should work hard on micro and tactics.. i like harrassing , but you do banshee and helion every single game .. i dont like that style , winning because a flying dark templar killed 15 scvs, that takes the beauty of the game for the spectator.. at least for me , i like to see mkp or mvp atacks , they almost never harrass , they just go there and destroy everything.. that is beautifull , its what MC does , hits that time and boom...
Good luck with the cold , the trainings and the next GSL that comes very fast..
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Well, two trips to the final four in a row is nothing to be down about, it is amazing actually, so congrats and thanks for the entertainment (loved watching you play this season..even if I paid for it the next day at work). I love your new plan about just mass gaming, I think it will tighten your screws quite a bit and help you adapt and improvise better. Having a great game plan is always a huge part, but thinking on your feet is equally important, and that improves with experience.
I have high hopes for you in GSL5, gl man
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As a fan I hate swedish ice-hockey team. But I like you, Jinro.
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well Jinro, you did honestly one of hell of a job. I you've made semi finals twice in a row, you've proven yourself capable, and now you just need to hit the finals and stand as the champ!
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Thanks to everyone involved in the foreigner specials, they're awesome! I look forward to reading them next season, good luck to Jinro then too, another great performance in GSL, a 1st next time I think :D
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On January 24 2011 18:45 betakeyless wrote: Jinro: That's an excuse-laden interview if I've ever read one. Absolutely disgusting. Dan and Nick never pass up an opportunity to tell us how manly you are, but your weak-willed, inadequate answers further demonstrate how far their heads are up their asses.
I hope your game metamorphisizes into something worth watching (and playing). Good luck! from a former fan.
User was banned for this post. "Outplayed" is an excuse how exactly? "His good defense" is an excuse how exactly?
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On January 24 2011 20:30 ffz wrote: Jinro! You forgot to thank the people that helped u prep for the series! And your sponsors! Who helped you practice this TvT? Hm I was sure I had done that already.... Maybe I accidently didnt hit send on that part. Ill have it added.
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On January 24 2011 21:26 tapk69 wrote: Jinro you are a great player , no doubt .. But if you really want to be like MVP or MKP on the ladder you should work hard on micro and tactics.. i like harrassing , but you do banshee and helion every single game .. i dont like that style , winning because a flying dark templar killed 15 scvs, that takes the beauty of the game for the spectator.. at least for me , i like to see mkp or mvp atacks , they almost never harrass , they just go there and destroy everything.. that is beautifull , its what MC does , hits that time and boom...
Good luck with the cold , the trainings and the next GSL that comes very fast..
What? It's basically how the game is meant to be played. That's TvT. MC doesn't harass because as much because... he's protoss. Same goes for Zergs. Terran is a harassing race.
Also MKP and MVP harasses alot alot alot, so I don't really see your point. Marine drop and banshee are both considered harass. Banshees are alot safer in the damage dealt, as if they have cloak they'll atleast cost a scan for 250ish minerals, whereas marine drops have slightly higher risk/ reward. Considering the siege tanks in TvT, the option would be to go stim up and run in there, and basically hope that the tanks'll unsiege or something. Jinro's tactics are by far the best in the world imho, but he might need a little practise with micro/ macro yeah. Just thinking of scouting workers sometimes slipping by marines, and macro slipping a little sometimes in the mkp series.
Either way I hope Jinro gets well soon. Having a cold in a team house must be the worst feeling in the world. There's no doubt in my mind you'll atleast get into the finals of gsl5. Jinro whaiting! ♥
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Good luck, Jinro! I'm glad you set your goal as winning. That's what I want to see out of everybody. Never settle for anything less.
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Jinroooooooo! You're gonna kill it next time fo sho, though two Ro4's in a row is already killing it, so you'll have to murder it just a little bit harder.
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Great stuff. Gogo jinro next season.
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Extremely well played out there Jinro. If I speak for myself and mostly all the foreigners you have fast become an example and an inspiration. Never did I expect that foreigners will exchange blows with the koreans in this fashion so soon after the release. Even on my days at the university when I cant play sc2 and dont have internet access I somehow try to get my hands on your match results(and the whole TL team as well:p)
A true fan and a Terran to the core...
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On January 24 2011 21:59 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 21:26 tapk69 wrote: Jinro you are a great player , no doubt .. But if you really want to be like MVP or MKP on the ladder you should work hard on micro and tactics.. i like harrassing , but you do banshee and helion every single game .. i dont like that style , winning because a flying dark templar killed 15 scvs, that takes the beauty of the game for the spectator.. at least for me , i like to see mkp or mvp atacks , they almost never harrass , they just go there and destroy everything.. that is beautifull , its what MC does , hits that time and boom...
Good luck with the cold , the trainings and the next GSL that comes very fast.. What? It's basically how the game is meant to be played. That's TvT. MC doesn't harass because as much because... he's protoss. Same goes for Zergs. Terran is a harassing race. Either way I hope Jinro gets better soon, so that he can play without sneezing and win the GSL 5 Jinro is a far better player than me, so I am sure he is aware of this, but the only real weakness in his style I've seen, is that his macro slips while he harass. His harass on the other hand, is extremely good, possibly the best I've seen in the GSL. But the micro does mean he slips on building up econ and units while doing it.
Anyway, that was critical, of one of the best players in the world, so probably wasn't worth saying Good luck, I am sure that you will do well in the next seasons too.
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Great Interview, and Jinro don't care about some random guy not caring enough about you, what you achieved and even more how you achieved it was awesome, and we're nothing but proud of you. You make Terran worth watching, sir! Some of my clanmembers are swedish, and they were so pumped after every of your games that they couldnt get back asleep
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As a protoss player who never watches other races play, I've never been more excited then when i was watching you play in the semi's. Way to go Jinro can't wait to see your games next GSL! :D
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Well done Jinro you definitely proved that your first final 4 was no fluke, backing it up this season in what was definitely a really hard run. In fact 2 top 4 finishes in a row is probably the best level of consistency shown by just about anyone over a 2 season period that i can recall. It was definitely interesting to read the psychological side of things about 'not being nervous and that reflecting not wanting the win bad enough'. Its probably a really tough thing to stay mentally focused, without succumbing to the nerves. Best of luck next season, i for one really enjoyed your style and i hope we get to see you playing more tvp's with your mech style in the next gsl!
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Great job, Jinro, Don't give up in the semis though.. We all know you can get to those finals and come out victorious.
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GJ Jinro. I'll never forget those games vs MC. I'm sure you'll take down a GSL very soon. Good luck to you!
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GL Jinro. Next gsl is yours.
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Well done, will be rooting for you the next gsl too, hoping for a foreigner in the finals this time, go jinro!
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FrozenArbiter fightin
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On January 24 2011 18:35 DND_Enkil wrote:Show nested quote +Both MarineKing and MVP are extremely active ladder players, and I think their ability to just beat opponents with standard, strong play saves them a lot of mental strength in the earlier rounds of GSLs, whereas I usually spend a lot of time and effort preparing new things from the first round to the last, energy that could be better saved for the later rounds I think. I found this really interesting, knowing that the two best (arguably but up there somewhere at least) terrans spends most of thier practice time laddering. I also read from Jinros post that he mostly play practice games against teammates? I might be wrong here, but i do think that is a very BW style of practising? Pherhaps since SC2 is still new just laddering away like crazy is a better option at this stage, at least until you get your standard play up to the same level as MVP and MKP.
Laddering like crazy is the best way to train in the when you don't have a match coming up but if you know what race/player you are playing then it makes more sense to train with a practice partner rather than jumping into a ladder game and not playing the desired race.
You must remember they are high up in the ladder ranks because they ladder a lot. Jinro would be right up there as well but he chooses to practice with teammates more.
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Champ or not, you were a joy to watch and more than enough reason to get up at that ungodly hour.
GL next season!
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On January 24 2011 18:45 betakeyless wrote: Jinro: That's an excuse-laden interview if I've ever read one. Absolutely disgusting. Dan and Nick never pass up an opportunity to tell us how manly you are, but your weak-willed, inadequate answers further demonstrate how far their heads are up their asses.
I hope your game metamorphisizes into something worth watching (and playing). Good luck! from a former fan.
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Wow, I'm so glad this guy was banned. Hope it was IP banned...
Keep it up Jinro you are the manliness man we have ever known and that is why we call you the Gorilla Terran.
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So proud of Jinro, you're the #1 SC2 superstar. Keep working hard and don't take anything for granted.
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Having Jinro do so well is a great joy because he's always been a really nice person and he's very deserving. That aside he's also very amusing to spectate and you can really tell that he's been practicing a lot yet make game ending decisions in the heat of the moment.
Jinro how is your korean progressing?
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On January 24 2011 18:45 betakeyless wrote: Jinro: That's an excuse-laden interview if I've ever read one. Absolutely disgusting. Dan and Nick never pass up an opportunity to tell us how manly you are, but your weak-willed, inadequate answers further demonstrate how far their heads are up their asses.
I hope your game metamorphisizes into something worth watching (and playing). Good luck! from a former fan.
User was banned for this post.
betakeyless: That's an awful post if I've ever read one. Absolutely horrible. The posters on teamliquid.net never pass up an opportunity to tell us how troll-like you are, and they're right, future posts will further demonstrate how correct they are.
I hope your comments metamorphisize into something worth reading (and...yeah). Good luck! from someone with actual meaning behind their words.
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MarineKingPrime should be destroyed. The guy is skilled like hell, his face is the kind of face that makes you want to slap him, he almost always play the same style every map with amazing success. He kicked the great NaDa from the GSL and now he beat our own hero. Unforgivable.
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Great work Jinro and Idra. Keep up the good play and hope you feel better! Hopefully we get more foreigners into the later rounds of the GSL!
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What? It's basically how the game is meant to be played. That's TvT. MC doesn't harass because as much because... he's protoss. Same goes for Zergs. Terran is a harassing race.
Also MKP and MVP harasses alot alot alot, so I don't really see your point. Marine drop and banshee are both considered harass. Banshees are alot safer in the damage dealt, as if they have cloak they'll atleast cost a scan for 250ish minerals, whereas marine drops have slightly higher risk/ reward. Considering the siege tanks in TvT, the option would be to go stim up and run in there, and basically hope that the tanks'll unsiege or something. Jinro's tactics are by far the best in the world imho, but he might need a little practise with micro/ macro yeah. Just thinking of scouting workers sometimes slipping by marines, and macro slipping a little sometimes in the mkp series.
Either way I hope Jinro gets well soon. Having a cold in a team house must be the worst feeling in the world. There's no doubt in my mind you'll atleast get into the finals of gsl5. Jinro whaiting! ♥
They harrass sure , but much less than the normal terrans .. the last games of mvp and mkp the thing that i noticed is that both of them prefer to fast expand or even double expand first.. then they may harrass but they mainly go for the kill. Hey i´m not doubting Jinro , hes the number 3 in the race for sure and i think he is top 5 player maybe , he has a lot of builds and has always an objective in his mind , but right now MVP and MKP are crazy good . Like even Jinro said its easier to play terran right now , and that together with both of them being that good means that we will see much more Jinro , Mvp ,MKP and MC in the next final fours. They are ahead of the others , and now i understand what Idra meant to say with no Zerg deserves to be in the GSL final four. Zerg needs a new build or something that can compete with 2 barracks+ bunker or the tank+thor pushes in mid-game because what Mvp did in shakuras plateau against nestea was pretty impresive , he stayed on 2 bases for the whole game while zerg had 3 then 4 running bases and completely crushed Nestea .. that was pretty insane..
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On January 24 2011 22:20 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 21:59 Euronyme wrote:On January 24 2011 21:26 tapk69 wrote: Jinro you are a great player , no doubt .. But if you really want to be like MVP or MKP on the ladder you should work hard on micro and tactics.. i like harrassing , but you do banshee and helion every single game .. i dont like that style , winning because a flying dark templar killed 15 scvs, that takes the beauty of the game for the spectator.. at least for me , i like to see mkp or mvp atacks , they almost never harrass , they just go there and destroy everything.. that is beautifull , its what MC does , hits that time and boom...
Good luck with the cold , the trainings and the next GSL that comes very fast.. What? It's basically how the game is meant to be played. That's TvT. MC doesn't harass because as much because... he's protoss. Same goes for Zergs. Terran is a harassing race. Either way I hope Jinro gets better soon, so that he can play without sneezing and win the GSL 5 Jinro is a far better player than me, so I am sure he is aware of this, but the only real weakness in his style I've seen, is that his macro slips while he harass. His harass on the other hand, is extremely good, possibly the best I've seen in the GSL. But the micro does mean he slips on building up econ and units while doing it. Anyway, that was critical, of one of the best players in the world, so probably wasn't worth saying Good luck, I am sure that you will do well in the next seasons too. Its true, and part of why I want to focus on mechanics practice - Id like to be a bit faster.
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Man, i just registered to congratulate jinro. Achieving 2 GSL semifinals in a row its out of hand for many foreigners and koreans aswell, so, keep going till you crush anybody in your way to the next GSL finals.
Awakened my gf a couple of times this season with my screams of joy looking at your macthes. In fact, my gf also knows you perfectly cause of my stubborness. Altough im toss, you have a huge spanish fan of your terranz.
Keep going jinro, KEEP FIGHTING.
pd: get better of your cold soon. pd2: sorry for my bad english.
edit: oh, i forgot to CONGRATULATE the teamliquid staff for those amazing coverages & interview transcriptions. Keep with the good work guys.
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You will always be my hero Jinro! Keep on HWAITING! ^_*
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Congrats Jinro, get well soon and keep up the good work, you've proven that you deserve to be getting as far as you are, now you just need to take it that one step further.
Good luck, you CAN do it!
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Mostly good games, entertaining to watch, even if the guy I was cheering for lost. Hopefully Ret, Huk, Haypro, and the rest will get into S-Class asap so there are better odds for our fighting foreigners to win this bad boy =p
btw quoting troll posts in order to respond to trolls is kind of doing exactly what they want you to do. Just ignore them and let the mods ban them, that's the best way to deal with trolls.
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I'm glad to see that Jinro is aware of him focusing so much on specific matchups and maps is hurting his game. Versus a player like Jinro with that mindset all you have to do is mess with his game plan and he will get thrown off and not sure how to react. I had a feeling it would bite him in the ass again when he was up versus MarineKing who is maybe the best player at picking apart the Jinro kind of player who's game is based on solid, strong play and game plan. Go Jinro throw yourself out there and mass more games instead of practicing builds.
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On January 25 2011 00:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 22:20 aebriol wrote:On January 24 2011 21:59 Euronyme wrote:On January 24 2011 21:26 tapk69 wrote: Jinro you are a great player , no doubt .. But if you really want to be like MVP or MKP on the ladder you should work hard on micro and tactics.. i like harrassing , but you do banshee and helion every single game .. i dont like that style , winning because a flying dark templar killed 15 scvs, that takes the beauty of the game for the spectator.. at least for me , i like to see mkp or mvp atacks , they almost never harrass , they just go there and destroy everything.. that is beautifull , its what MC does , hits that time and boom...
Good luck with the cold , the trainings and the next GSL that comes very fast.. What? It's basically how the game is meant to be played. That's TvT. MC doesn't harass because as much because... he's protoss. Same goes for Zergs. Terran is a harassing race. Either way I hope Jinro gets better soon, so that he can play without sneezing and win the GSL 5 Jinro is a far better player than me, so I am sure he is aware of this, but the only real weakness in his style I've seen, is that his macro slips while he harass. His harass on the other hand, is extremely good, possibly the best I've seen in the GSL. But the micro does mean he slips on building up econ and units while doing it. Anyway, that was critical, of one of the best players in the world, so probably wasn't worth saying Good luck, I am sure that you will do well in the next seasons too. Its true, and part of why I want to focus on mechanics practice - Id like to be a bit faster.
Your a beast. Nuff' said.
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On January 25 2011 00:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 22:20 aebriol wrote:On January 24 2011 21:59 Euronyme wrote:On January 24 2011 21:26 tapk69 wrote: Jinro you are a great player , no doubt .. But if you really want to be like MVP or MKP on the ladder you should work hard on micro and tactics.. i like harrassing , but you do banshee and helion every single game .. i dont like that style , winning because a flying dark templar killed 15 scvs, that takes the beauty of the game for the spectator.. at least for me , i like to see mkp or mvp atacks , they almost never harrass , they just go there and destroy everything.. that is beautifull , its what MC does , hits that time and boom...
Good luck with the cold , the trainings and the next GSL that comes very fast.. What? It's basically how the game is meant to be played. That's TvT. MC doesn't harass because as much because... he's protoss. Same goes for Zergs. Terran is a harassing race. Either way I hope Jinro gets better soon, so that he can play without sneezing and win the GSL 5 Jinro is a far better player than me, so I am sure he is aware of this, but the only real weakness in his style I've seen, is that his macro slips while he harass. His harass on the other hand, is extremely good, possibly the best I've seen in the GSL. But the micro does mean he slips on building up econ and units while doing it. Anyway, that was critical, of one of the best players in the world, so probably wasn't worth saying Good luck, I am sure that you will do well in the next seasons too. Its true, and part of why I want to focus on mechanics practice - Id like to be a bit faster.
Don't do that man. It wouldn't be fair to the others competing in gsl. I LOVED the missile turrets on the first game.. gave me such nerd chills when the magic random turrets took down like 4 medivacs full of tanks and marines. This is what makes jinro the best player in the world, hands down. He's like chuck norris. He doesn't need foxer's marine micro, or nadas crazy no-matter-what macro, he just throws up stuff in the exact spot where they will be used to their maximum potential. Jinro whaiting!
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You did great Jinro! Can't wait to watch you play even more!
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Good job, Jinro! Was hoping to see more out of you, but there's always the future
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On January 24 2011 18:45 betakeyless wrote: Jinro: That's an excuse-laden interview if I've ever read one. Absolutely disgusting. Dan and Nick never pass up an opportunity to tell us how manly you are, but your weak-willed, inadequate answers further demonstrate how far their heads are up their asses.
I hope your game metamorphisizes into something worth watching (and playing). Good luck! from a former fan.
User was banned for this post. I didn't see a single excuse in the whole thing. I guess an idiot can think of self-criticism as excuses, even though they're exact opposites.
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Great interview!
Jinro fighting, keep doing incredible man. Be the first SC2 Bonjwa.
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GL next Season Jinro, and get better so You can practice more
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Jinro, you did so awesome! good luck next season! you're gonna take the whole tournament!!!
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Congrats Jinro! You had quite the run through the both GSL's and I mean only lost to people who obviously are real contenders in the SC2 scene. And here is a Jinro fan boy.
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On January 24 2011 21:50 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 18:45 betakeyless wrote: Jinro: That's an excuse-laden interview if I've ever read one. Absolutely disgusting. Dan and Nick never pass up an opportunity to tell us how manly you are, but your weak-willed, inadequate answers further demonstrate how far their heads are up their asses.
I hope your game metamorphisizes into something worth watching (and playing). Good luck! from a former fan.
User was banned for this post. "Outplayed" is an excuse how exactly? "His good defense" is an excuse how exactly?
too bad he can't respond =/
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Congratz for everything you done so far and GL for the next one!
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I want to give jinro a real big hug. :C
I was hoping he'd win the gsl.
He's probably going to win gsl at least once in the coming years.
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It sucks that Jinro lost, but that last game on Xel was just a really good game for Marine King. He rolled a dice on expanding a lot and it paid off immensely! I almost said he was playing like a zerg for a second!
Cheers Jinro, we all drank some Jinro when you were playing man!
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While I was pretty upset that you took out my favorite Zerg nerd Idra, I was rooting for you hard core vs MKP, and really think you had it within your grasp to win those games. You seem to get better every time I see you play, so I'm sure next time your results will be even better. Good luck!
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On January 25 2011 00:32 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 00:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On January 24 2011 22:20 aebriol wrote:On January 24 2011 21:59 Euronyme wrote:On January 24 2011 21:26 tapk69 wrote: Jinro you are a great player , no doubt .. But if you really want to be like MVP or MKP on the ladder you should work hard on micro and tactics.. i like harrassing , but you do banshee and helion every single game .. i dont like that style , winning because a flying dark templar killed 15 scvs, that takes the beauty of the game for the spectator.. at least for me , i like to see mkp or mvp atacks , they almost never harrass , they just go there and destroy everything.. that is beautifull , its what MC does , hits that time and boom...
Good luck with the cold , the trainings and the next GSL that comes very fast.. What? It's basically how the game is meant to be played. That's TvT. MC doesn't harass because as much because... he's protoss. Same goes for Zergs. Terran is a harassing race. Either way I hope Jinro gets better soon, so that he can play without sneezing and win the GSL 5 Jinro is a far better player than me, so I am sure he is aware of this, but the only real weakness in his style I've seen, is that his macro slips while he harass. His harass on the other hand, is extremely good, possibly the best I've seen in the GSL. But the micro does mean he slips on building up econ and units while doing it. Anyway, that was critical, of one of the best players in the world, so probably wasn't worth saying Good luck, I am sure that you will do well in the next seasons too. Its true, and part of why I want to focus on mechanics practice - Id like to be a bit faster. Don't do that man. It wouldn't be fair to the others competing in gsl. I LOVED the missile turrets on the first game.. gave me such nerd chills when the magic random turrets took down like 4 medivacs full of tanks and marines. This is what makes jinro the best player in the world, hands down. He's like chuck norris. He doesn't need foxer's marine micro, or nadas crazy no-matter-what macro, he just throws up stuff in the exact spot where they will be used to their maximum potential. Jinro whaiting! I was gonna upgrade turret range in game 3, but well, the game didnt go that long TT
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Set3 vs MK on Jungle Basin was actually quite close. If that turret had gone up at the natural, it would've been very different since Jinro did significant damage at MK's wall.
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As long as MVP, MKP, Nestea, and MC participate, Jinro will never win GSL. But I really am a fan of Jinro now. I think he's the best foreigner terran.
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Goodluck next time Jinro, you'll unevidable win this thing if you keep up!
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Keep going Jinro, just take on making us happy. Hope to hear you soon on stog and never forget: EU loves you.
Is ret involved in your illness ?
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Jinro, you played so well this season and I don't expect anything less next season Keep working on your ever-improving playstyle and reach for the stars; I have no doubt that you can reach the finals, perhaps even win it all!
Don't overstress yourself and take it easy for a couple of days, feel better soon!
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On January 25 2011 02:13 iPood wrote: As long as MVP, MKP, Nestea, and MC participate, Jinro will never win GSL. But I really am a fan of Jinro now. I think he's the best foreigner terran.
Can you really call out someones skill level and potential like that? Can you see the future? Are you all knowing? If Jinro has the dedication and passion, which I'm pretty sure he does, he can attain the highest skill level.
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On January 25 2011 02:50 Epsilon8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 02:13 iPood wrote: As long as MVP, MKP, Nestea, and MC participate, Jinro will never win GSL. But I really am a fan of Jinro now. I think he's the best foreigner terran. Can you really call out someones skill level and potential like that? Can you see the future? Are you all knowing? If Jinro has the dedication and passion, which I'm pretty sure he does, he can attain the highest skill level. it's possible. Anything's possible. It's just not probable.
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Jinro – Great job brotha! Keep up the good work and I have no doubt that you’ll win a GSL. If you can get into a GSL code S final twice, then it is definitely not a fluke. You my man, possess the skills to go toe to toe with big the dogs. Keep up the good work…
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iPood , right now , in this moment , only mkp is probably better .. mvp style of tvt is different than mkp , and if jinro could beat MC he could beat mvp too even if its TvT , because Jinro TvT fits well against MVP i think. Don´t count Jinro out , because one thing we can all agree , he pretty much prepares for his opponent like no one , and hard work always gets people far . Hes not the best foreigner terran man , he´s the best foreigner . Thats it , every foreigner that comes to Korea now will have a though time to reach code S , making 2 final fours is almost impossible for foreigners that arrive now.
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Jinro - I never post in these direct threads, but I just wanted to say thank you for the awesome games. I'm a Zerg main, but watching this past set has me considering Terran again.
Keep your head up and feel better soon!
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I was a little bummed out that Jinro lost to marineking but as mentioned, Marineking plays a certain of style unique to him. I'm happy for jinro to make it to the semis twice, very good results imo Well done jinro!
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On January 24 2011 21:26 tapk69 wrote: Jinro you are a great player , no doubt .. But if you really want to be like MVP or MKP on the ladder you should work hard on micro and tactics.. i like harrassing , but you do banshee and helion every single game .. i dont like that style , winning because a flying dark templar killed 15 scvs, that takes the beauty of the game for the spectator.. at least for me , i like to see mkp or mvp atacks , they almost never harrass , they just go there and destroy everything.. that is beautifull , its what MC does , hits that time and boom...
Good luck with the cold , the trainings and the next GSL that comes very fast..
i forgot to quote the other guy who replied to this, but he did mention that terran is a harassing race... if you think about it, the banshee, the hellion (with or without infernal preignitor), and the reaper are the best worker killing units in the game. even marine drops make mineral lines evaporate so quickly. i mean, compare that to other early game options of harass by the other races. a dt rush? colossus drop? a baneling drop, maybe.
i feel like combined with bunkers being salvageable and auto-repair being available kinda spells out that that's how the terran race currently is supposed to be played...it's always been a very defensive race, with harassment opportunities. (even in sc1, with the vulture and wraith)
but to be fair a kind of 'non harass and just kill him' playing style may be what entices you as a viewer. yes MVP or MKP might not harass and still roll over their opponents, but that doesn't mean that harassment doesn't have a place in sc2, either.
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You're a beast man. I'm really impressed with both your results and the increase in your skill as of late - it's very noticeable.
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Gogo Jinro!!
I hope to see you in the GSL 5 finals against IdrA
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Thanks Jinro, I'm a fan and I didn't realize that you were sick as well, during the matches against MarineKingPrime. I am also wondering, do you have any insights on the final match of tank/marine vs MMM?
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Both Jinro and MKP played well, I thought, and IMO the matches were all pretty close. I'm a big Jinro fan and it's sad to see him lose, but it was interesting to watch how MKP managed to win the matches just by maneuvering his army extremely effectively, like in the matches on Jungle Basin and Xelnaga. And, in fact, in the first match on Scrap he almost came back from sure defeat again with maneuvers - a last ditch medivac drop. He managed to consistently attack in weak spots.
Funny enough, a Day[9] daily a few days ago mentioned how siege tanks could be problematic on Xelnaga for this very reason - ie more maneuverable armies can abuse the map, which is exactly what MKP did in that match. I don't think he even directly engaged Jinro's army until the very very end.
Very nice play from both though, and I feel like either could have taken it. Good luck next GSL Jinro!!
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Well played Jinro..you did us proud again. Your play is going from strength to strength. You will win GSL!!
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On January 25 2011 00:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 22:20 aebriol wrote:On January 24 2011 21:59 Euronyme wrote:On January 24 2011 21:26 tapk69 wrote: Jinro you are a great player , no doubt .. But if you really want to be like MVP or MKP on the ladder you should work hard on micro and tactics.. i like harrassing , but you do banshee and helion every single game .. i dont like that style , winning because a flying dark templar killed 15 scvs, that takes the beauty of the game for the spectator.. at least for me , i like to see mkp or mvp atacks , they almost never harrass , they just go there and destroy everything.. that is beautifull , its what MC does , hits that time and boom...
Good luck with the cold , the trainings and the next GSL that comes very fast.. What? It's basically how the game is meant to be played. That's TvT. MC doesn't harass because as much because... he's protoss. Same goes for Zergs. Terran is a harassing race. Either way I hope Jinro gets better soon, so that he can play without sneezing and win the GSL 5 Jinro is a far better player than me, so I am sure he is aware of this, but the only real weakness in his style I've seen, is that his macro slips while he harass. His harass on the other hand, is extremely good, possibly the best I've seen in the GSL. But the micro does mean he slips on building up econ and units while doing it. Anyway, that was critical, of one of the best players in the world, so probably wasn't worth saying Good luck, I am sure that you will do well in the next seasons too. Its true, and part of why I want to focus on mechanics practice - Id like to be a bit faster.
This is why you will win. Knowing your strengths is easy, its knowing your weaknesses that makes you great!
O...and scout more
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On January 24 2011 18:35 DND_Enkil wrote:Show nested quote +Both MarineKing and MVP are extremely active ladder players, and I think their ability to just beat opponents with standard, strong play saves them a lot of mental strength in the earlier rounds of GSLs, whereas I usually spend a lot of time and effort preparing new things from the first round to the last, energy that could be better saved for the later rounds I think. I found this really interesting, knowing that the two best (arguably but up there somewhere at least) terrans spends most of thier practice time laddering. I also read from Jinros post that he mostly play practice games against teammates? I might be wrong here, but i do think that is a very BW style of practising? Pherhaps since SC2 is still new just laddering away like crazy is a better option at this stage, at least until you get your standard play up to the same level as MVP and MKP.
I feel like with the new GSL format, practicing on the Ladder is definitely the way to go if you want to make it into the Ro8. Because you are only playing 1 game per opponent (for the most part) it doesn't promote playing the player rather than preparing for everything possible, ie Ladder practice.
When it gets back to Bo5+, then singular practice with house/teammates is better but in the early rounds Laddering should help more especially if you are high on ladder and will hit guys like MVP or MC a lot, imho.
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jinro have u ever consider too play only bio and air against mkp? i mean u saw the matches aginst nada and how he lost to drops(basetrades). its really hard to catch up with imobile units, when your productionfacilities gets destroyed by drops :/ its was smart to protect your main with torrets but unfortunately u cant sit back and macro until u feel like to attack. would be better if you play offensive against bio and hope he will drop and get owned by torrets.
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On January 25 2011 03:35 D_K_night wrote: Thanks Jinro, I'm a fan and I didn't realize that you were sick as well, during the matches against MarineKingPrime. I am also wondering, do you have any insights on the final match of tank/marine vs MMM? Nono, I was feeling 100% healthy right up until the games ended, it was SOOOO strange that I decided it could not possibly happen this quickly and I attributed it entirely to not sleeping well (thinking about the game etc, Im sure most people who play big tournaments dont sleep too well before big games), and went to the gym when I came home anyway.
Not a good idea, as it turns out. Apparently it IS possible to go from feeling perfectly fine to having a fever, headache, throatache etc in the space of a couple of hours. Good to know.
On January 25 2011 04:10 Tatsuyasama wrote: jinro have u ever consider too play only bio and air against mkp? i mean u saw the matches aginst nada and how he lost to drops(basetrades). its really hard to catch up with imobile units, when your productionfacilities gets destroyed by drops :/ its was smart to protect your main with torrets but unfortunately u cant sit back and macro until u feel like to attack. would be better if you play offensive against bio and hope he will drop and get owned by torrets. I have, and I will work on it - however I do think there is more room for improving my tank usage. In game 4, at several times I feel I could have done better with better decision making - for instance, I think you need to commit very clearly to base trading or going for a longer game, not be wishy washy and go out then go back to defend, because thats when you really get punished by the immobility.
Also, you cant overdo your defenses - in the fight at my watch tower, I was trying to join my 2 armies and thereby trap his 2nd army, but I believe I had either too much of my army in the defensive location, or was simply too slow to do this (or a combination of both) and he engaged before/simultaneously. I think this was a mistake by me, at least partly.
I think that tank/marine vs bio only in a base race is reasonably even, its just that he has been in this situation a lot more than me and is therefore better at it than me. A lot of the things I had decided before the game that I wanted to do, I did not actually do because its hard to implement everything in a high stress situation without being extremely comfortable with the situation - which as I said, I think MKP is.
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Sorry to double post, but I just read Jinro's reply about either defending and playing macro with harass, or full on basetrading in the MKP style game. Interesting comments. I saw on one of the GOMTV threads someone called MKP "basetradeking", which sums up what Jinro is saying about MKP being experienced in this kind of play.
Jinro, though he had the gold your banshee harass was devastating. Do you feel if you'd defended and kept up the harass, while slowly expanding in true macro-style you could have won it, even though he had the gold? Do you think Day[9]'s comment that seige tanks can be problematic on Xelnaga is valid, or do you think they can generally work with the correct strategy?
Awesome games, man. Jinro fighting!
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hmm i was watching matches against nada und yours.however the basetrade was allways in mkp favour bc he was allways able to snipe cc and was able to secure his own cc. i played in the last few days many matchup like that on kr server. i was focusing on making 2 viking groups (with 2 senser tower each direction) and denied any drop. i had good succes with it, and molsty forced him to a confrontation.
nonetheless im proud u got that far, and hope u will take it next time.
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On January 25 2011 02:53 iPood wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 02:50 Epsilon8 wrote:On January 25 2011 02:13 iPood wrote: As long as MVP, MKP, Nestea, and MC participate, Jinro will never win GSL. But I really am a fan of Jinro now. I think he's the best foreigner terran. Can you really call out someones skill level and potential like that? Can you see the future? Are you all knowing? If Jinro has the dedication and passion, which I'm pretty sure he does, he can attain the highest skill level. it's possible. Anything's possible. It's just not probable.
Your level of arrogance disturbs me.
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Thanks for all the work put into the foreigner special! Looking forward to next season. Best of luck to Jinro.
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On January 25 2011 02:50 Epsilon8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 02:13 iPood wrote: As long as MVP, MKP, Nestea, and MC participate, Jinro will never win GSL. But I really am a fan of Jinro now. I think he's the best foreigner terran. Can you really call out someones skill level and potential like that? Can you see the future? Are you all knowing? If Jinro has the dedication and passion, which I'm pretty sure he does, he can attain the highest skill level.
I ranted about this on r/sc2 a while back, but it obviously won't go away. I am a bit of the older generation (I am 29) and have loads of competative gaming history, all the way back to QW, so 15y+... it seems to be a trend only the last few years and especially with SC2 that random trolls seem to think they have an absolutely accurate estimate of somebodys skill and who will, without any doubt, beat that person. This troll is even worst as he seems to think to have the knowledge that x1, x2, x3 and x4 will all beat y not only now, but at any given point in time. If this has been the case in BW as well, most or some may not get my point, as they have gotten used to it - but this is not how I grew up in the competative gaming scene and more importantly, it is absolutely not true. Just looking at the win percentages that any of the top players have on ladder, should tell any reasonable human being that there is nobody who wins even close to 100% of his matches, let alone against somebody who is very close to his skill level. Cheers, JD
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MKP used a much heavier marauder composition in the last game, perhaps mixing a few viking + banshee into the main tank/marine army will allow Jinro more control over the map, especially on a map like xel'naga. If MKP tries to move his MMM army around the middle cavern or around the secret back doors the vikings will have free shots on the medivacs, also it will give Jinro a better grasp of the movement of MKP's army without having to use too many scans as well as spotting for the tanks allowing them to have an extra shot out before the stimmed marauder charges into them. Also with banshee poking at the marauders will force MKP to produce more marines which will melt to tanks much easier than marauders.
Looking forward to next season, Jinro fighting!
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I'll always root for you Jinro. You're the best. Good luck in the next GSL. I'll be supporting you.
I was really hoping you'd pull through against MarineKing, but they were entertaining games that kept me at the edge of my seat. I really enjoyed them even if the outcome was not what I wanted.
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On January 25 2011 03:03 tapk69 wrote: iPood , right now , in this moment , only mkp is probably better .. mvp style of tvt is different than mkp , and if jinro could beat MC he could beat mvp too even if its TvT , because Jinro TvT fits well against MVP i think. Don´t count Jinro out , because one thing we can all agree , he pretty much prepares for his opponent like no one , and hard work always gets people far.
Both MVP and Jinro are more solid players than MKP. MKP has good mechanics and micro, but he's still a bit too one-dimensional in his tactics (but has improved drastically since his loss to NesTea in GSL2). Crisis management and macro aren't his strengths, and the very fact that he's unwilling to play Mech (as he stated himself in his interview) illuminates a lot about his mentality - one that will severely cripple his play in the long run. The more diverse one's playstyle is, the more unbeatable one is...that's just the truth, in both BW and in this game. I love MKP, but unless he changes his mentality, he won't stay at the top for too long.
Hope Jinro can replicate the success of Guillaume Patry at the beginning of BW, but with even more staying power.
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Congrats Jinro on a successful GSL! I'll be watching again next month, good luck!
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I think MKP's style of play is undervalued too often. I hear Artosis & Tasteless talk about how MKP style of heavy marine based play cannot be maintained. That basically his style will be figured out=>"countered" and thus he will lose games due to being predictable. I don't believe this is so. Hopefully people will re-look at MKP after the finals and see how brilliant he is.
In my eyes MKP is not someone that can be simply "figured out". To beat him, you have to literally play harder, better, faster, stronger.
To all out there, if you can!
Work it like MKP Make it like MKP Do it like MKP Makes us like MKP
only then we will know that you are
Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!
This has been a message from your local Punk saying: + Show Spoiler +Work It Harder Make It Better Do It Faster Makes Us stronger More Than Ever Hour After Our Work Is Never Over
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On January 24 2011 18:35 DND_Enkil wrote: I found this really interesting, knowing that the two best (arguably but up there somewhere at least) terrans spends most of thier practice time laddering. I also read from Jinros post that he mostly play practice games against teammates?
He said 'extremely active' in ladder. That does not mean they spend most of their time laddering, naturally. They probably do in fact spend most of their time preparing and practicing builds with the team.
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Jinro hwaiting forever! <3 can't wait to see this amazing player keep getting better over the GSLs! GL TO ALL TL AND oGs!
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MKP had to sneak two gold bases and proxy a starport to beat Jinro. Jinro won't lose to MKP again (but I i dunno about MC!). As a person who never really cared about pro-gaming until SC2 Jinro has done so much to make me excited about the coming seasons of gsl. Good luck to him
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Nice interview.
MKP's style seems to be plenty solid. You have to be a tactician on MKP's level to know how to abuse your extreme mobility. I don't see why he can't keep dancing around protoss balls and terran tank armies.
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Its hard to believe that Jinro lost again in the semis... still it was a great run by Jinro Liquid Fighting in next GSL!!!
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Jinro I got mad respect for you. Next time I'm in Korea we should drink some soju
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On January 25 2011 05:16 Qaatar wrote:Hope Jinro can replicate the success of Guillaume Patry at the beginning of BW, but with even more staying power. Besides winning the OSL, being like Grrrr... would not be something to strive for.
Over the years Reaver drops as well as his tendency to perform the "Gas Rush" became Guillaume's trademark-strategies. As his era was before the time of flawless game mechanics, the upcoming players started to crush and dominate him by simply training more than him as well as the new Replay-feature, that came out with the 1.08a patch, ruptured his superior strategies. The biggest trouble for Guillaume became SlayerS `BoxeR`. Patry used hotkeys very little by only controlling his units with them and leaving the buildings be, thinking hotkey spamming was useless. *Quoted from Liquipedia because it says it better than I could*
Meaning he was a player that faded out fast, and didn't really have the 'skill' that the long running pro's did.
I mean I get what you are saying that you hope Jinro can win the GSL, but the analogy to Grrrr... might not be that fitting.
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Jinro looks so badass in the booth
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Good job JinrO but in my humble opinion, games 1-2 were nice play... games 3-4 you really seemed to choke and just do subpar decition based on your earlier performances: You just felt contained and scared to move, to controll the game. Especially noticeable when JinrO knew he was all in at the end and still attacked an expansion instead of the production facilities. There was just no reason for that and the small chance of winning was lost.
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This interview makes me so happy. I always hear people setting goals that are short of total victory. In a game that depends so much on mental discipline and fortitude, even the slightest doubt can wreak a great player. Jinro is really only limited by the belief he has in himself. If he is truly aiming for the title than I think he can do it. I just wish some other players (Idra) could recognize that these mental blocks they set up for themselves hinder their ability to realize their potential. Play hard Jinro and remember you are your worst enemy.
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I've never seen anyone execute a strategy and maintain such great control at multiple points as much as I did in Jinro's first game vs MKP. That was stellar. <3
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On January 25 2011 04:10 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 03:35 D_K_night wrote: Thanks Jinro, I'm a fan and I didn't realize that you were sick as well, during the matches against MarineKingPrime. I am also wondering, do you have any insights on the final match of tank/marine vs MMM? Nono, I was feeling 100% healthy right up until the games ended, it was SOOOO strange that I decided it could not possibly happen this quickly and I attributed it entirely to not sleeping well (thinking about the game etc, Im sure most people who play big tournaments dont sleep too well before big games), and went to the gym when I came home anyway. Not a good idea, as it turns out. Apparently it IS possible to go from feeling perfectly fine to having a fever, headache, throatache etc in the space of a couple of hours. Good to know.
If you're very excited it's possible that you just don't feel these things, and not that they weren't there.
I've had one case, where I suddenly felt that my stomach hurts like hell and that was purely because of hunger, which I didn't feel at all just a moment before. I wasn't sick and after I ate the pain disappeared, so it was a case of just not feeling it, because I had my mind on other things.
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honestly just bloody good job jinro. you deserve all the praise you get.
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Good interview! Good luck to Jinro next season! Go for the finals man, would LOVE to see you take that trophy.
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Jinro. Your much better than i am.
My only piece of advice for you is patience. When you are playing patiently, you are nigh unstoppable. Your harass is nearly perfect. Play with patience and you will win.
I think you evaporated all your patience in game one.
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Good Luck Jinro, I hope to get to see you and IdrA square off on the maps that are supposed to be replacing Blizzard's maps. Epic macro play shall ensue.
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Too bad you didn't manage to beat MKP, but what the hell, making it to the semifinals are a great achievement! Two semifinals in a row, beating MC 2-0 with mech, you got the next GSL dude!
Jinro fighting!
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Jinro has been amazing me with his play this GSL.
His macro/micro/gamesense and decision making were absolutely top notch. Everytime I saw him playing he impressed me even more and I enjoyed seeing him play.
There is still a huge difference in class within Code S, and in my honost opinion Jinro is currently in the top of that class.
How much this guy improved in this short time period is absolutely astonishing and should be an example to all foreign players what can be accomplished in Starcraft 2.
Thank you Jinro for making my moneys worth in this season, and hopefully you will be even better next month.
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Gratz Jinro! Good luck for the next season, get well soon.
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very proud of you jinro! keep it up next season man, want to see you with a win!
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Thanks for the interview and great job Jinro!
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Jinro, you did good man. MKP's style of play definitely requires some more preparation against, since its so unique, and the problem with the mass marine/heavy micro/heavy drop play is the lack of practice partners that are available that can mimic it.
Well, lets hope MKP wins GSL again, so at least you can say you lost to the best. :D
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jinro - the great foreigner hope
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Jinro -
great builds great interviews great analysis great adaptations
great player. Good luck !
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Great run from Jinro. Unfortunate you got stopped at another Semi Finals though.
I really liked all his answers and it is easy to see why is is successful. He just has the right mindset which is half the battle most of the time. I hope he reaches the new goal he set for himself and improves his mechanics so he can save that "mental strength."
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jinro,MKP and MVP the three terran kings
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Thanks for the interview, and GO JINRO!!! I really appreciate his honesty and commitment!
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Nice tourney run and interview. It felt like a very close match watching. MKP's style has a lot to recommend it - and he is a super ballsy player, when a lot of others start playing it safe in the late high stakes matches. It bears some thinking about.
I can't give strat advice to a player of Jinro's caliber, but I do think it's worth being aware of your physical comfort level in the booth. Learn to find the right adrenaline, nerves level for best play. And dress properly! You mentioned having trouble warming your hands against Idra. Against MKP you fidgeted in that oGs jacket for awhile before going tshirt. Find your physical comfort level, you're going to need everything going for you to beat these guys and win the next one.
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On January 25 2011 04:10 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 03:35 D_K_night wrote: Thanks Jinro, I'm a fan and I didn't realize that you were sick as well, during the matches against MarineKingPrime. I am also wondering, do you have any insights on the final match of tank/marine vs MMM? Nono, I was feeling 100% healthy right up until the games ended, it was SOOOO strange that I decided it could not possibly happen this quickly and I attributed it entirely to not sleeping well (thinking about the game etc, Im sure most people who play big tournaments dont sleep too well before big games), and went to the gym when I came home anyway. Not a good idea, as it turns out. Apparently it IS possible to go from feeling perfectly fine to having a fever, headache, throatache etc in the space of a couple of hours. Good to know. That's perfectly normal I think, I had a similar experience after finishing my PhD. I guess the body allows itself to take a break only as soon as the tension drops.
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Bad luck with the loss Jinro.
You are a top notch player, and im sure you will rebound from this and come back stronger next season.
(And we finally see a Terran win a GSL )
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Always classy. I don't know how anyone can root against him.
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He looks SO COOL in that new leather Gracket. ^_^
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Try going for 2/2 bio and 2/2 tanks against MKP 3/3 bio, I think this could help a lot (and 3/2 tanks as soon as you can too). I guess you already figured that out in TLoGs house, but oh well =)
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awesome run this season Jinro <3 your my favorite Terran by far. keep of the good work and good luck next season. i know you can win.
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On January 25 2011 06:59 Kazzabiss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 05:16 Qaatar wrote:Hope Jinro can replicate the success of Guillaume Patry at the beginning of BW, but with even more staying power. Besides winning the OSL, being like Grrrr... would not be something to strive for. Show nested quote +Over the years Reaver drops as well as his tendency to perform the "Gas Rush" became Guillaume's trademark-strategies. As his era was before the time of flawless game mechanics, the upcoming players started to crush and dominate him by simply training more than him as well as the new Replay-feature, that came out with the 1.08a patch, ruptured his superior strategies. The biggest trouble for Guillaume became SlayerS `BoxeR`. Patry used hotkeys very little by only controlling his units with them and leaving the buildings be, thinking hotkey spamming was useless. *Quoted from Liquipedia because it says it better than I could* Meaning he was a player that faded out fast, and didn't really have the 'skill' that the long running pro's did. I mean I get what you are saying that you hope Jinro can win the GSL, but the analogy to Grrrr... might not be that fitting. That is understating his success a little bit, he did stay around as a high tier progamer until late 2003is, which is fairly respectable considering his first couple of years were extremely dominant. He was a progamer in Korea from 2000 to 2003 afterall.
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Congrats Jinro on your RO4 for the second time, it's been fun/educational watching your GSL games. Greets from Australia.
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Great writeup, really loving these Foreigner Specials.
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Jinro is a beast! As much as I was sick of seeing Terrans (7 of 8 semi-finalists in the GSL code A/S were Terran) I was very happy to see Jinro in that list. Too bad he didn't break into the finals yet. Next season!
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My heart was breaking in Game (2) and (4) ================================
I remember the energetic fist pump when Jinro bested MC on LT and ST.
I remember avoiding TL.net and battle.net like the plague until I could watch the vs. MKP match.
Sadly, I remember my heart breaking as MKP floated to the Gold on Steppes. I said to myself several times, "Did he not see that CC? He saw it right? Is he gonna send a Marine to the towers? Oh no ..." Similarly, when MKP took that surprise base at the Gold, Jinro's Banshee missed it, and then MKP FE'd to the 3 o'clock position I felt my heart drop.
Jinro,
You're the man. I am incredibly impressed with this season, and last. Well done. It is so unfortunate that you missed those two things. I know it can be incredibly stressful in situations like that and some of the basics will just slip away like holes in a memory. I found it interesting to read that you want to go back to "mechanics," in your practice, because I feel like you have some ridiculously solid mechanics.
Do you feel like you missed some of your normal scouting patterns (like the towers on Steppes, and the 3 'o'clock on Xel Naga) because of the high stress environment? Oh, and about the sickness ... I'm almost certain that your adrenaline was suppressing the symptoms. Once the adrenaline levels dropped back to a normal level you got "brickwalled."
Feel better soon, Jinro, and thanks!
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Congratulations with great results and thanks for sharing as much as you do!
I just wanted agree to how important the state of mind is as you mention regarding your goals for a tournament. I played some of my best pool in a small insignicant tournament once, but my only goal the final day was to crush the LB (I was in the LB from the day before) to meet up with my friend in the grand final (who was cruising through the WB). I can still recall that annoying feeling of not caring during the grand final, and he easily swept me 5-1. It annoys me even to write about it, after all these years and that silly little tournament :p
Krya på dej
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Jinro,
you are so amazing! I was telling all my friends about starcraft, and how a foreigner could be there representing the entire sc2 foreigner community! I've showed almost every GSL match you played and bored them with it to death. Please never, never give up on your ambitions!
Perhaps you need to focus on your mindstate for a bit, anything can happen aslong as you really want it! Just keep fighting man, you got this!
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Thank you for another amazing post of the foreigner special
Fighting Jinro! Hope you get better to play the next GSL and to perform more amazing games on stream
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I think what he meant in regards to MVP and MPK laddering is that their practicing on ladder has solidified their play (mechanics, etc) such that in the earlier rounds they do not need to practice specifically for their opponents. But that's all speculation.
GL next season Jinro
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Have just watched game 1 vs MKP, and frankly, I'm speechless at the quality of Jinro's game, micro, macro, multitasking, decision-making, just so unbelievably good. And it's not just TvT, games vs Idra, vs ogsMC, all matchups are covered, but seriously...
THIS IS FROZENARBITER ! THIS IS DEDICATION ! THIS IS TEAMLIQUID RIGHT HERE IN THE RO4 !!!
So proud, it brings a tear to my eye. Words can't express.
Jinro. Priceless.
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third times a charm jinro! stay strong, you'll get em next GSL
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Jinro is such a good guy.
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wicked first game to bad you couldn't keep it going jinro fighting
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Jinroo you look like the scout from TF2
[thats a compliment btw <3]
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Couldn't know who to root for at the beginning -- MKP or Jinro since I love 'em both, but in the end, Jinro's epic mech TvP and winning against Idra made me root for Jinro so bad, very sad to see him lose.
Hope we'll see more Jinro on the next GSL!
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Thanks for the right up and the interview. Way to make it too the top 4 two seasons in row and I can't wait to see you win the finals next season, Jinro Fighting.
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Jinro, thanks for making the white people proud, but Koreans are the best, everyone knows it. Congrats for getting this far and good luck next season!
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Great Games Jinro. Keep it up. Top 4 @ GSL for the second time, thats quite good. Best of luck next season.
ull be @ the finals ^^
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