Our two European representatives, TLAF-Liquid`TLO and TLAF-Liquid`Ret will be in Copenhagen today to begin their run at the Copenhagen Games 2011 title. Rubbing shoulders with the likes of MC, TheWind, Grubby, ClouD and MorroW, they will fight it out for the $8500+ prize pool. [More]
Liquid in StarsWar - 23rd April 2011
TLAF-Liquid`Jinro, TLAF-Liquid`TLO, TLAF-Liquid`Ret and TLAF-Liquid`HuK will be on stream live during StarsWar today, playing against the likes of HongUn, MorroW, Comm and san in this invitational tournament, the winners of which will fly to Shanghai, China for the finals. [More]
Liquid in GSL - 23rd and 26th April 2011
GSL May kicked off this week and two Liquidians will be taking to the tilesets in Code-S this time. It's been a while since we've had two of our players in this category and we look forward to seeing what Jinro and HuK can deliver. Jinro plays San on the 23rd and HuK gears up to take on Inca on the 26th. [More]
Liquid in NASL - On going
TLAF-Liquid`TLO snagged the sole win for his team in NASL Week 1, going 2-0 against ViBE. HayprO, Ret and Tyler all dropped their games and no doubt go into Week 2 looking for retribution. [More]
Our two European representatives, TLAF-Liquid`TLO and TLAF-Liquid`Ret will be in Copenhagen today to begin their run at the Copenhagen Games 2011 title. Rubbing shoulders with the likes of MC, TheWind, Grubby, ClouD and MorroW, they will fight it out for the $8500+ prize pool.
TLO and Ret have both been successful in European LANs these past few months, and we'd like to see them go all the way this time. Here are our two heroes' opening matches. Join us in the LR thread and on IRC in just a few hours as we follow their progress live and check out tournament thread for more information.
Group 14 TLAF-Liquid`Ret Virus.elfittaja ChewbroCColi
Group 16 TLAF-Liquid`TLO Zy.StrinterN Cypres
Liquid in StarsWar - 23rd April 2011
TLAF-Liquid`Jinro, TLAF-Liquid`TLO, TLAF-Liquid`Ret and TLAF-Liquid`HuK will be on stream live during StarsWar today, playing against the likes of HongUn, MorroW, Comm and san in this invitational tournament, the winners of which will fly to Shanghai, China for the semi-finals and finals.
Be sure to be here with us on TL as we watch our team storm another tournament. Liquid fighting!
Liquid in GSL - 23rd and 26th April 2011
GSL May kicked off this week and two Liquidians will be taking to the tilesets in Code-S this time. It's been a while since we've had two of our players in this category and we look forward to seeing what Jinro and HuK can deliver. Jinro plays San on the 23rd and HuK gears up to take on Inca on the 26th.
Having recently returned from the Dreamhack Stockholm Invitational, Jinro and HuK sat down with us for a chat about the GSL and their international adventures in Going Global. Here are their games, so be sure you're here on Saturday and Tuesday to root for them live. It's GSL time again!
TLAF-Liquid`TLO snagged the sole win for his team in NASL Week 1, going 2-0 against ViBE. HayprO, Ret and Tyler all dropped their games and no doubt go into Week 2 looking for retribution.
TLO played his Week 2 match earlier today, but the LW will not discuss his games for fear of spoiling readers. Check out the LR thread for discussion and be sure to catch Liquid's upcoming games this week!
North America: April 20th at 9pm EDT / Europe: April 21st at 7pm CEST TLAF-Liquid`TLO vs. mouzMorroW
Liquid at DreamHack Stockholm Invitational - Event Finished
Liquid's Dreamhack run didn't go as expected, with Jinro, TLO and HuK all being eliminated early on. Though we're as disappointed as they are about this, we're glad they had a good time in Stockholm. Yes, last week we announced that TLO is starting a team house over there and in case you missed it, here's Jinro in the newspapers and on Swedish TV.
Find out more about Jinro, HuK and MC's adventures as they headed back to Korea in this week'spre-GSL interview.
(Note: Liquid flew Turkish Airlines both to and from Dreamhack. The Starcraft plane is only shown here because it's awesome.)
Hi Jinro, Hi HuK! Welcome back to the Weekly. Happy to be back home in Incheon again?
Jinro: Of course!
HuK: Yes.
We heard the flight back wasn't too pleasant. What went wrong? Any lessons learned?
HuK: We missed our connection flight because the first flight was delayed due to problems with the plane. Not sure what it was, but it seemed serious. Once in Istanbul, we were herded with the rest of the cattle to try to rush to our connection flight, fail and that our flight was going to be a day later and that we would be spending the night in Turkey.
MC and Jinro passed by fine but when I went to cross the passport guy told me I needed to go back and get a visa. So I go to the visa place and try to get a visa and they tell me to take out money from the ATM. I go to the ATM and it wont accept my Canadian bank card or my Korean bank card.
I proceed back to the visa place and am told to go back to my airline. My airline tells me go back to the visa place, the visa place says they cant help me and the guy from the airline who escorted me basically bailed after that. I then go back to the passport guy and tell him what's going on. He says he cant help me to go to the police station on the other side.
So I go back to my airline desk (on the walk there I explain the situation to him) and once we get there the guy talks to someone at the counter then proceeds to walk away with them never to return. Afterwards, I meet Jinro at passport clearing and tell him to take out money for me.
He returns later with Turkish money. I tell him that I needed euro, and he goes back and brings me some. Then, the passport guy wont let us exchange money over the little shitty fucking gate they have there. He tells us to walk down to the police station to exchange the measly 60 euro or whatever the fuck it was. After convincing the policemen to let him give me the money, I go to buy my visa and cross the border. At every point, every single person involved in this process was extremely rude, unhelpful, and generally, an asshole.
After that, the stay and flight back were pleasant.
Jinro: OK, so we are all just sitting there waiting at Arlanda and everything seems normal, right? Then, we get to 30 minutes before boarding and there's not a single airport staff member in the entire room, and a bunch of people are starting to wonder wtf is going on. Sooooo, after not finding a single board with information anywhere, and the board over our gate saying LONDON instead of ISTANBUL, I venture up a staircase, find a security type guy who lets me through to check out an info board. Here we discover two things:
1) They changed the gate for our flight without telling anyone (same room, but still).
2) Our plane has a smoking engine. Cue 1+ hour delay.
We land in Istanbul, they fuck around a bunch about where we are supposed to go, we miss our plane. We try to go through customs, they let me and MC through but tell Chris they don't like him because hes American (actually they just said he needs a VISA), and tell him to pay for a VISA. He tries to grab money from ATM, fails with both Korean and American card, asks me to grab money... I search half the airport, find out I have to go outside the airport to take out money, ask if I can come back in if I do, get told no.
Go on tilt, talk to another guy who tells me first guy was incorrect. I get 100e in Turkish Lire, run back to Chris, only to be told that no, they do not accept Turkish lire. What the fuck kind of country doesn't take their own currency? OK, back to ATM, find a different one that lets me take out euro instead, run back, give money to Chris... or I would have but the customs guys stops me and tells me I have to go through the police to give it to him.
... which I eventually succeed at doing. They find us a hotel (which had very nice food, and was nice overall), and we spend the next day playing Wesnoth on my laptop while waiting for our plane which didn't leave until midnight.
Jinro, you begin your GSL Code S run this month against San. How do you feel about this match?
Jinro: I feel I have a scary group but if I can win the first game I have a decent chance, so I'm focusing on that.
If you look back at the first time you played Code S, what similarities and differences do you see between your approach back then and the way you look at the event now?
It's routine now... basically.
If there was one thing you could tell your rookie self as you headed out to play your first Code S match, what would it be?
Not much to tell, I was super prepared practice wise and everything else comes from doing not hearing.
Awesome. Good luck on Saturday, Jinro! We look forward to seeing you live!
HuK, this is your first time in Code S and you're going to face your house mate Inca. What are your thoughts on this series? Will the fact that you know him so well make it easier or more difficult to play him?
HuK: I think Inca is the favorite, his PvP is really good. But I hope to do well overall and move on. It's PvP so nothing matters.
What does it feel like heading into GSL Code S? This was your goal all along of course, but now that you're here, just a week away from your games, what's going through your head?
My goal was to win GSL, not make it to Code S. All that's on my mind is to continue that pursuit.
You've played a ton of tournaments this past year. Does the GSL feel any different to you or is it just same old, same old to you now?
Well, the GSL is obviously the golden egg among white shells but other than that it's another tournament. The biggest, sure, but in the end they're all the same.
All right! Good luck, HuK! We look forward to seeing you on stream next Tuesday.
As already announced by the ESL, Liquid player Dario "Liquid`TLO" Wünsch confirms his withdrawal from the German ESL Professional Series. Dario will not be able to play in the tournament due to a scheduling conflict with MLG Columbus, a tournament that he has to participate in due to contractual obligations.
The exact dates for EPS were not publicly announced but the week was (and the weekend as such was implied). This lead to a communication problem where the fact that it would most likely be in the MLG weekend slipped by our scheduling until two weeks ago. At this moment Dario was already committed to MLG because of his sponsor Sony Ericsson. At the time of hearing the EPS dates, at that point still not publicly announced but only implied, we heard about the exact dates from someone with insider knowledge making us aware of the scheduling conflicts between the two tournaments. We immediately informed the EPS of this issue and they asked for some time to think of a solution.
You are hearing about Dario withdrawing 8 days in advance not because we waited that long, but because EPS used this time to look for a solution. Near the end of this internal EPS process; TL and EPS agreed to an announcement date on the 21st of April, something which they failed to adhere to and as such delivered an incomplete press release that did not give us a fair chance to explain the situation.
Contrary to popular belief, Dario cannot be in two places at the same time.
Here is Dario's official statement on the matter.
Wie nun bereits frühzeitig angekündigt wurde, werde ich mich leider aus der EPS zurückziehen müssen, da die EPS Finals und MLG Columbus am gleichen Wochenende stattfinden. Vertragliche Verpflichtungen binden mich daran an jeder MLG teilzunehmen, daher kann ich leider keine Ausnahme machen. Ich bin sehr traurig darüber und kann verstehen das die Community sauer ist.
Ich habe nie um eine Sonderbehandlung gefragt, bin aber sehr dankbar das die ESL mir so eine Chance gegeben hat. Ich hoffe, das große Turnierveranstalter sich künftig besser absprechen um in der Zukunft so etwas zu vermeiden.
Es stand für mich außer Frage weiterhin an der EPS teilzunehmen und das Turnier eventuell noch stärker zu verzerren. Ich möchte mich bei allen die sich auf das IFNG Match zwischen Socke und mir gefreut haben entschuldigen und auch bei Socke selbst der nun vorerst keine chance auf eine Revanche bekommen kann.
As already announced by ESL, I have to withdraw from the EPS. I am very sorry about that but I am obliged to go to every MLG event. I am very sad and can understand the community is angry, especially those who wanted to go to the INFG and can't see me play vs Socke now.
I never asked for a extra treatment from the ESL, but I am very grateful they gave me such a great chance. I hope in the future that the big event organisers will communicate better to avoid scheduling conflicts like this from happening.
It was out of question for me to continue playing EPS after knowing that I wouldn't be able to make it to the finals, as I didn't want to mess up the tournament even more. To my fans I would like to say that I'm truly sorry and want to take this opportunity to apologise to Socke as well. I was looking forward to a rematch of Dallas.
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tournament schedule concflicts... <.< seriously, tournament organizers should communicate more with each other before setting a date for a big event...
I guess it's a matter of what league is more prestigious as well. Even though MLG had it's bumps, it beats any non-international league. I'm glad TLO gets to travel to MLG
Turkish Airlanes and the airport of Istanbul are the worst things that happened to me while traveling. They are unorganized and rude. Can't blame you guys for hating on them, they deserve it.
Also sad to hear that TLO can't participate in the EPS Finals, but contracts always have a downside...
Lol at turkish doesnt accept turkish currency... though it saddens me when i think about our bureaucrats most likely would be just as an obstacle in any way :S
So this is basically the announcement we were supossed to be waiting for? This doesnt change things at all nor does it make TLO look any better, he is basically just saying: hey im sorry T_T Im still very sad and disaoppointed since the IFNG in Berlin would have been the first and maybe the single time ever that I could have TLO play -.- But what is most frustrating is the date of the announcement, why just 8 days before the game vs Socke?? Me and my friends are probably still going to the IFNG but everything is just much less exciting without TLO vs Socke
Still a nice weekly; the most awesome sentence of the Jinro/Huk interview: "What the fuck kind of country doesn't take their own currency?" ahahaha
On April 21 2011 19:57 drooL wrote: aaaaaaaand the german community goes mad :3 there is a reason why i don't really like it ~.~
let's stay here ^-^
You guys find this acceptable?
it's a really hard call to make imho... you either pass on german EPS which definately is very prestigous among the german community or you tell a fucking huge mobile phone company that they cannot sponsor you and fly you to every MLG this year
i wouldn't want to be in that situation, but i think i'd go with the same decision TLO has made
On April 21 2011 19:57 drooL wrote: aaaaaaaand the german community goes mad :3 there is a reason why i don't really like it ~.~
let's stay here ^-^
You guys find this acceptable?
it's a really hard call to make imho... you either pass on german EPS which definately is very prestigous among the german community or you tell a fucking huge mobile phone company that they cannot sponsor you and fly you to every MLG this year
i wouldn't want to be in that situation, but i think i'd go with the same decision TLO has made
I'm sure signing up for the EPS is not a 'maybe if I have time' sort of commitment?
A no show when someone rents out a major event location for your match is bad form no matter what.
Just updated the EPS section with more information on what happened and why we took the stance we did. We want everyone to know the full story before making any conclusions.
On April 21 2011 20:32 riptide wrote: Just <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214934#tloeps">updated the EPS section</a> with more information on what happened and why we took the stance we did. We want everyone to know the full story before making any conclusions.
Well I suppose they should announce their dates earlier.
Glad the TLO withdrawal was explained. Kind of unprofessional for EPS to give a incomplete press release about it before the agreed upon day. Its a perfectly understandable reason that they tried to work out, yet their article didn't sound that way. Lame.
Tournament lineup is stacked! So many good tournaments all over the world, Denmark, China, Korea, USA, Germany... goddamn.
Turkish airlines are pretty shit, I know that from my own experience. >_> Pleasant country, otherwise.
Concerning TLO's scheduling issues... on the one hand, he applied for the EPS before making his contract with Sony Ericsson, so I feel like his priority should lie with the previous appointment, especially considering his history with the EPS. The EPS' prize money is also larger than that of MLG Columbus (12.000€ vs $14.000)...
Looks like TL decided that the money and connections from the Sony Ericsson contract take priority. It's a shit thing to happen, and people will have to find some solution for this in the future because these scheduling conflicts between long-running leagues and one-off tournaments will continue to emerge as the sheer volume of events increases.
The StarsWar is filled with some wicked players. Lot of Chinese Unknowns too. Only Loner that I recognize. Best of luck to TLO in the Copenhagen Games, there is a random in his group? TLO is going to be on top of that. Gogo Tyler in the NASL. Goooooo Liquid'!
The replay pack picture shows a Terran demolishing a Zerg, but there is no Terran in the replay pack? Hahaha.
On April 21 2011 19:57 drooL wrote: aaaaaaaand the german community goes mad :3 there is a reason why i don't really like it ~.~
let's stay here ^-^
yup.
I'm sure signing up for the EPS is not a 'maybe if I have time' sort of commitment?
A no show when someone rents out a major event location for your match is bad form no matter what.
sure it's a commitment of some sort but sometimes you have to move on and set priorities. MLG is obviously much more important than EPS (bigger audience, international competition, personal sponsorship).
As the post explains we were never put in the position to make a choice or priority between either. He has a contractual obligation for MLG but if contracts did not play a role at all here we would always choose to finish what we started.
He could have intentionally lost against Socke and probably no one would even notice. I'm satisfied this is being handled upfront.
Also, would you share which airline screwed up the boys? Given the stopover on IST I'd assume it was Turkish Airlines, if so consider the Korean Air picture might give a wrong impression.
While reading this, the legal scholar in me just started feeling a strong urge to sue the hell out of both the airline and the airport lol. Beside police officers there are only aiport-employees that think it's a given that they can treat everyone like crap if they feel like it. Disgusting.
On April 21 2011 19:18 DoXa wrote: Turkish Airlanes and the airport of Istanbul are the worst things that happened to me while traveling. They are unorganized and rude. Can't blame you guys for hating on them, they deserve it.
Also sad to hear that TLO can't participate in the EPS Finals, but contracts always have a downside...
Really a mirror of our own experience -_-; Turkish Airlines on-board staff = no complaints at all, good food too... However the guys working at the customs check... God, so unhelpful -__-
At least we found a few helpful souls at the airport, seemingly nicer the further you get away from customs!
What about an International Tournament Schedule , where the hosts of a bigger events puplish their dates very early, so that everyone planning another tournament may take a look and say "damn, there is already a big final at this weekend, maybe we have to postpone our own event for a week"
Hahaha hilarious interview with HuK/Jinro. Sucks to hear it though, delays and unhelpful people while traveling is the worst.
Understandable situation with TLO, not really sure why people would be hating on him/TL for it. The SC2 eSport scene is so new that tournament schedule conflicts are bound to happen until everything gets a little more organized internationally.
Thanks for the replays! HayprO/Tyler nom nom. Good weekly as always!
On April 21 2011 19:57 drooL wrote: aaaaaaaand the german community goes mad :3 there is a reason why i don't really like it ~.~
let's stay here ^-^
You guys find this acceptable? I think it's extremely bad form. You can't just sign stuff left and right and then go 'ooops'.
Its not like they knew this schedule conflict would happen when they signed the contract lol
OF COURSE this is acceptable.
let's put this into perspective:
ESL had its rules changed to give TLO the chance to qualify for the second season of SC2 ESL Pro Series which was pretty controversial within the german community and put a pretty bad light onto the ESL.
ESL then scheduled two offline Events during the Playoffs, where one single match is to be played and crew, casters, equipment, visitors are all just there for this match in berlin. they had a community-poll about which match is to be played, the TLO - Socke game won. he basically gave all his german fans who are traveling to berlin to watch him play the middle finger.
it is OF COURSE unaccetable to withdraw from this match and the whole event, and to be honest, I think it's absolutly neccessary to ban TLO from any future ESL competitions.
On April 21 2011 19:57 drooL wrote: aaaaaaaand the german community goes mad :3 there is a reason why i don't really like it ~.~
let's stay here ^-^
You guys find this acceptable? I think it's extremely bad form. You can't just sign stuff left and right and then go 'ooops'.
Its not like they knew this schedule conflict would happen when they signed the contract lol
OF COURSE this is acceptable.
let's put this into perspective:
ESL had its rules changed to give TLO the chance to qualify for the second season of SC2 ESL Pro Series which was pretty controversial within the german community and put a pretty bad light onto the ESL.
ESL then scheduled two offline Events during the Playoffs, where one single match is to be played and crew, casters, equipment, visitors are all just there for this match in berlin. they had a community-poll about which match is to be played, the TLO - Socke game won. he basically gave all his german fans who are traveling to berlin to watch him play the middle finger.
it is OF COURSE unaccetable to withdraw from this match and the whole event, and to be honest, I think it's absolutly neccessary to ban TLO from any future ESL competitions.
How the hell did he give them the middle finger? Do you not understand how a contract works? And on a far more basic level, why would you think TLO would NOT want to compete? These arguments that TLO is a dick for doing this are completely absurd.
On April 21 2011 19:57 drooL wrote: aaaaaaaand the german community goes mad :3 there is a reason why i don't really like it ~.~
let's stay here ^-^
You guys find this acceptable? I think it's extremely bad form. You can't just sign stuff left and right and then go 'ooops'.
Its not like they knew this schedule conflict would happen when they signed the contract lol
OF COURSE this is acceptable.
let's put this into perspective:
ESL had its rules changed to give TLO the chance to qualify for the second season of SC2 ESL Pro Series which was pretty controversial within the german community and put a pretty bad light onto the ESL.
ESL then scheduled two offline Events during the Playoffs, where one single match is to be played and crew, casters, equipment, visitors are all just there for this match in berlin. they had a community-poll about which match is to be played, the TLO - Socke game won. he basically gave all his german fans who are traveling to berlin to watch him play the middle finger.
it is OF COURSE unaccetable to withdraw from this match and the whole event, and to be honest, I think it's absolutly neccessary to ban TLO from any future ESL competitions.
Do you even understand what a contract is? If TLO doesn't go to MLG, he can be sued and lose everything he owns. It's is completely acceptable he had to drop out of ESL, but unfortunate.
I sympathize with you guys trying to deal with customs at the airport in Istanbul. I flew through there a few years ago and had similar problems. I had a 3 hour layover with some German colleagues, and we all wanted to go out and have a kebab or something and just tool around Istanbul for a bit. The Germans could go through customs just fine and dandy, but they wanted me (the American) to buy a $30 Visa. For two hours in Turkey? Are you fucking crazy? I pretty much told those customs officers to fuck themselves.
Turkey has a pretty ugly history of political relations with the United States. Something about Reagan and airfields (access point to the Middle East)... don't really know the whole story.
On April 21 2011 19:57 drooL wrote: aaaaaaaand the german community goes mad :3 there is a reason why i don't really like it ~.~
let's stay here ^-^
You guys find this acceptable? I think it's extremely bad form. You can't just sign stuff left and right and then go 'ooops'.
Its not like they knew this schedule conflict would happen when they signed the contract lol
OF COURSE this is acceptable.
let's put this into perspective:
ESL had its rules changed to give TLO the chance to qualify for the second season of SC2 ESL Pro Series which was pretty controversial within the german community and put a pretty bad light onto the ESL.
ESL then scheduled two offline Events during the Playoffs, where one single match is to be played and crew, casters, equipment, visitors are all just there for this match in berlin. they had a community-poll about which match is to be played, the TLO - Socke game won. he basically gave all his german fans who are traveling to berlin to watch him play the middle finger.
it is OF COURSE unaccetable to withdraw from this match and the whole event, and to be honest, I think it's absolutly neccessary to ban TLO from any future ESL competitions.
Is it acceptable that the ESL still has not announced a set date for the EPS finals but just the Week? Imagine if every Tournament organizer would do that (and then say: "oh but you know our tournament is always on wednesday, didn't you know that?). Especially as they know the date for like a year already, why don't they write it in public then?
The cancelled IFNG match obviously really sucks but the ESL was informed about the schedule conflict way before the Poll ended (or maybe even before it began, but I think it was shortly after, however it was 100% before the 1st round of playdown matches were played)... so it was ESL not reacting to the information quickly enough to avoid the situation we have now (don't really want to speculate about their reasons, it most certainly was with good intentions trying to find a better solution).
And ESL changing the rules to accomodate TLO is really not you can hold against him, as the ESL did that without even informing him and in their own interest.
On April 21 2011 19:57 drooL wrote: aaaaaaaand the german community goes mad :3 there is a reason why i don't really like it ~.~
let's stay here ^-^
You guys find this acceptable? I think it's extremely bad form. You can't just sign stuff left and right and then go 'ooops'.
Its not like they knew this schedule conflict would happen when they signed the contract lol
OF COURSE this is acceptable.
let's put this into perspective:
ESL had its rules changed to give TLO the chance to qualify for the second season of SC2 ESL Pro Series which was pretty controversial within the german community and put a pretty bad light onto the ESL.
ESL then scheduled two offline Events during the Playoffs, where one single match is to be played and crew, casters, equipment, visitors are all just there for this match in berlin. they had a community-poll about which match is to be played, the TLO - Socke game won. he basically gave all his german fans who are traveling to berlin to watch him play the middle finger.
it is OF COURSE unaccetable to withdraw from this match and the whole event, and to be honest, I think it's absolutly neccessary to ban TLO from any future ESL competitions.
Wow...be more butt-hurt about this, please. Do you not understand the legal obligations of a contract? TLO has to attend MLG because of a contractual obligation to his sponsor, Sony Ericsson. It's not personal and he's not giving you or anybody else the middle finger. Get over yourself.
It's unfortunate he had to cancel, for everybody's sake, but unavoidable at this point. We can only hope things like this happen less often once international eSports become more organized.
On April 21 2011 19:18 DoXa wrote: Turkish Airlanes and the airport of Istanbul are the worst things that happened to me while traveling. They are unorganized and rude. Can't blame you guys for hating on them, they deserve it.
Also sad to hear that TLO can't participate in the EPS Finals, but contracts always have a downside...
Really a mirror of our own experience -_-; Turkish Airlines on-board staff = no complaints at all, good food too... However the guys working at the customs check... God, so unhelpful -__-
At least we found a few helpful souls at the airport, seemingly nicer the further you get away from customs!
welcome to turkey, lol im turkish, and what i can tell is, that the people at the airports are some completely idiot and unhelpful ppl. but pls dont think whole turkey is like that, it isnt, turkish ppl are "usually" really helpful. Somehow the airport guys are faggots. just my 2 cents
On April 21 2011 19:57 drooL wrote: aaaaaaaand the german community goes mad :3 there is a reason why i don't really like it ~.~
let's stay here ^-^
You guys find this acceptable? I think it's extremely bad form. You can't just sign stuff left and right and then go 'ooops'.
Its not like they knew this schedule conflict would happen when they signed the contract lol
OF COURSE this is acceptable.
let's put this into perspective:
ESL had its rules changed to give TLO the chance to qualify for the second season of SC2 ESL Pro Series which was pretty controversial within the german community and put a pretty bad light onto the ESL.
ESL then scheduled two offline Events during the Playoffs, where one single match is to be played and crew, casters, equipment, visitors are all just there for this match in berlin. they had a community-poll about which match is to be played, the TLO - Socke game won. he basically gave all his german fans who are traveling to berlin to watch him play the middle finger.
it is OF COURSE unaccetable to withdraw from this match and the whole event, and to be honest, I think it's absolutly neccessary to ban TLO from any future ESL competitions.
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Wow you are an idiot.
If he had decided to not go to MLG, he would have been breaking his contract - so you would have most likely said the same thing then too.
On April 21 2011 19:18 DoXa wrote: Turkish Airlanes and the airport of Istanbul are the worst things that happened to me while traveling. They are unorganized and rude. Can't blame you guys for hating on them, they deserve it.
Also sad to hear that TLO can't participate in the EPS Finals, but contracts always have a downside...
Really a mirror of our own experience -_-; Turkish Airlines on-board staff = no complaints at all, good food too... However the guys working at the customs check... God, so unhelpful -__-
At least we found a few helpful souls at the airport, seemingly nicer the further you get away from customs!
welcome to turkey, lol im turkish, and what i can tell is, that the people at the airports are some completely idiot and unhelpful ppl. but pls dont think whole turkey is like that, it isnt, turkish ppl are "usually" really helpful. Somehow the airport guys are faggots. just my 2 cents
Yeah, Turkey gave a pretty good impression the further away you got from the customs.
What the fuck kind of country doesn't take their own currency?
I died.
It is for the foreigners who needs a Visa to enter the country, it is not weird that it won't be paid in local currency. It is in fact a convenience for the foreigners, I cant imagine a foreigner could pay for the visa in their own country's currency at John F. Kennedy airport.
On April 22 2011 02:03 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote: Link to the EPS announcement?
I sympathize with you guys trying to deal with customs at the airport in Istanbul. I flew through there a few years ago and had similar problems. I had a 3 hour layover with some German colleagues, and we all wanted to go out and have a kebab or something and just tool around Istanbul for a bit. The Germans could go through customs just fine and dandy, but they wanted me (the American) to buy a $30 Visa. For two hours in Turkey? Are you fucking crazy? I pretty much told those customs officers to fuck themselves.
Turkey has a pretty ugly history of political relations with the United States. Something about Reagan and airfields (access point to the Middle East)... don't really know the whole story.
Wow hold on there, do you have any idea how are the citizens of Turkey are treated in customs of States, and how difficult it is to acquire a visa even after the needlessly harsh treatment. And you can bet that it wont end good for you if you tell the US customs staff to fuck themselves.
I am sure a lot of turkish officials at the customs are assholes, and as Jinro already put, them and their attitudes were the only problem. But that doesn't imply any more things than that.
That is not directly about the political relations you kinda mentioned, it is more about this undisclosed "treat the x country's citizens as our citizens are treated at x" thing in customs. Especially the retarded assholes amongst the turkish customs officials can only be happy to proceed the way their counterparts at the US do.
"Turkey has a pretty ugly history of political relations with the United States. Something about Reagan and airfields (access point to the Middle East)... don't really know the whole story."
You can talk about a story that even you mention that you don't know about? that is neat. Turkey has been one of the founding countries of NATO, it was a member before Western Germany or Spain, There has even been a Turkish Deputy Secretary General for NATO.
What the fuck kind of country doesn't take their own currency?
I died.
It is for the foreigners who needs a Visa to enter the country, it is not weird that it won't be paid in local currency. It is in fact a convenience for the foreigners, I cant imagine a foreigner could pay for the visa in their own country's currency at John F. Kennedy airport.
On April 22 2011 02:03 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote: Link to the EPS announcement?
I sympathize with you guys trying to deal with customs at the airport in Istanbul. I flew through there a few years ago and had similar problems. I had a 3 hour layover with some German colleagues, and we all wanted to go out and have a kebab or something and just tool around Istanbul for a bit. The Germans could go through customs just fine and dandy, but they wanted me (the American) to buy a $30 Visa. For two hours in Turkey? Are you fucking crazy? I pretty much told those customs officers to fuck themselves.
Turkey has a pretty ugly history of political relations with the United States. Something about Reagan and airfields (access point to the Middle East)... don't really know the whole story.
Wow hold on there, do you have any idea how are the citizens of Turkey are treated in customs of States, and how difficult it is to acquire a visa even after the needlessly harsh treatment. And you can bet that it wont end good for you if you tell the US customs staff to fuck themselves.
I am sure a lot of turkish officials at the customs are assholes, and as Jinro already put, them and their attitudes were the only problem. But that doesn't imply any more things than that.
That is not directly about the political relations you kinda mentioned, it is more about this undisclosed "treat the x country's citizens as our citizens are treated at x" thing in customs. Especially the retarded assholes amongst the turkish customs officials can only be happy to proceed the way their counterparts at the US do.
"Turkey has a pretty ugly history of political relations with the United States. Something about Reagan and airfields (access point to the Middle East)... don't really know the whole story."
You can talk about a story that even you mention that you don't know about? that is neat. Turkey has been one of the founding countries of NATO, it was a member before Western Germany or Spain, There has even been a Turkish Deputy Secretary General for NATO.
Peace-out.
The best part about this side discussion is that HuK is indeed, Canadian. Racial profiling is ALWAYS bad, not just when American's do it.
Also since many Liquid guys seem to be reading this it's as good a place as any: good luck in all your upcoming matches guys, recent struggles be damned we know you guys can perform! Foreign GSL champion =]]]
What the fuck kind of country doesn't take their own currency?
I died.
It is for the foreigners who needs a Visa to enter the country, it is not weird that it won't be paid in local currency. It is in fact a convenience for the foreigners, I cant imagine a foreigner could pay for the visa in their own country's currency at John F. Kennedy airport.
On April 22 2011 02:03 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote: Link to the EPS announcement?
I sympathize with you guys trying to deal with customs at the airport in Istanbul. I flew through there a few years ago and had similar problems. I had a 3 hour layover with some German colleagues, and we all wanted to go out and have a kebab or something and just tool around Istanbul for a bit. The Germans could go through customs just fine and dandy, but they wanted me (the American) to buy a $30 Visa. For two hours in Turkey? Are you fucking crazy? I pretty much told those customs officers to fuck themselves.
Turkey has a pretty ugly history of political relations with the United States. Something about Reagan and airfields (access point to the Middle East)... don't really know the whole story.
Wow hold on there, do you have any idea how are the citizens of Turkey are treated in customs of States, and how difficult it is to acquire a visa even after the needlessly harsh treatment. And you can bet that it wont end good for you if you tell the US customs staff to fuck themselves.
I am sure a lot of turkish officials at the customs are assholes, and as Jinro already put, them and their attitudes were the only problem. But that doesn't imply any more things than that.
That is not directly about the political relations you kinda mentioned, it is more about this undisclosed "treat the x country's citizens as our citizens are treated at x" thing in customs. Especially the retarded assholes amongst the turkish customs officials can only be happy to proceed the way their counterparts at the US do.
"Turkey has a pretty ugly history of political relations with the United States. Something about Reagan and airfields (access point to the Middle East)... don't really know the whole story."
You can talk about a story that even you mention that you don't know about? that is neat. Turkey has been one of the founding countries of NATO, it was a member before Western Germany or Spain, There has even been a Turkish Deputy Secretary General for NATO.
Peace-out.
The best part about this side discussion is that HuK is indeed, Canadian. Racial profiling is ALWAYS bad, not just when American's do it.
Also since many Liquid guys seem to be reading this it's as good a place as any: good luck in all your upcoming matches guys, recent struggles be damned we know you guys can perform! Foreign GSL champion =]]]
Maybe country profiling is a better choice of word instead of racial (Turks are originally from central asia and have no connection whatsoever to arabs racially, if that is what you meant by racial profiling) I agree that profiling is always bad, that is what I tried to tell, I am sorry if that is not clear.
What the fuck kind of country doesn't take their own currency?
I died.
It is for the foreigners who needs a Visa to enter the country, it is not weird that it won't be paid in local currency. It is in fact a convenience for the foreigners, I cant imagine a foreigner could pay for the visa in their own country's currency at John F. Kennedy airport.
On April 22 2011 02:03 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote: Link to the EPS announcement?
I sympathize with you guys trying to deal with customs at the airport in Istanbul. I flew through there a few years ago and had similar problems. I had a 3 hour layover with some German colleagues, and we all wanted to go out and have a kebab or something and just tool around Istanbul for a bit. The Germans could go through customs just fine and dandy, but they wanted me (the American) to buy a $30 Visa. For two hours in Turkey? Are you fucking crazy? I pretty much told those customs officers to fuck themselves.
Turkey has a pretty ugly history of political relations with the United States. Something about Reagan and airfields (access point to the Middle East)... don't really know the whole story.
Wow hold on there, do you have any idea how are the citizens of Turkey are treated in customs of States, and how difficult it is to acquire a visa even after the needlessly harsh treatment. And you can bet that it wont end good for you if you tell the US customs staff to fuck themselves.
I am sure a lot of turkish officials at the customs are assholes, and as Jinro already put, them and their attitudes were the only problem. But that doesn't imply any more things than that.
That is not directly about the political relations you kinda mentioned, it is more about this undisclosed "treat the x country's citizens as our citizens are treated at x" thing in customs. Especially the retarded assholes amongst the turkish customs officials can only be happy to proceed the way their counterparts at the US do.
"Turkey has a pretty ugly history of political relations with the United States. Something about Reagan and airfields (access point to the Middle East)... don't really know the whole story."
You can talk about a story that even you mention that you don't know about? that is neat. Turkey has been one of the founding countries of NATO, it was a member before Western Germany or Spain, There has even been a Turkish Deputy Secretary General for NATO.
Peace-out.
The best part about this side discussion is that HuK is indeed, Canadian. Racial profiling is ALWAYS bad, not just when American's do it.
Also since many Liquid guys seem to be reading this it's as good a place as any: good luck in all your upcoming matches guys, recent struggles be damned we know you guys can perform! Foreign GSL champion =]]]
Maybe country profiling is a better choice of word instead of racial (Turks are originally from central asia and have no connection whatsoever to arabs racially, if that is what you meant by racial profiling) I agree that profiling is always bad, that is what I tried to tell, I am sorry if that is not clear.
Ya I get that it's nationality profiling, but because people are so intermingled racially now, you can't tell the difference between so many different races, so attempting to profile a nationality ends up in broader racial profiling(see: every middle eastern person, or back in ww2, every asian person, or every eastern european during the cold war, so many examples).
I didn't mean that you were malicious in your description, just that it's funny that the whole thing (assumedly) stems from HuK looking American, but he's not! Anyhow, didn't mean it to start an argument or anything(plenty of other politically charged threads to discuss it in).
What the fuck kind of country doesn't take their own currency?
I died.
It is for the foreigners who needs a Visa to enter the country, it is not weird that it won't be paid in local currency. It is in fact a convenience for the foreigners, I cant imagine a foreigner could pay for the visa in their own country's currency at John F. Kennedy airport.
On April 22 2011 02:03 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote: Link to the EPS announcement?
I sympathize with you guys trying to deal with customs at the airport in Istanbul. I flew through there a few years ago and had similar problems. I had a 3 hour layover with some German colleagues, and we all wanted to go out and have a kebab or something and just tool around Istanbul for a bit. The Germans could go through customs just fine and dandy, but they wanted me (the American) to buy a $30 Visa. For two hours in Turkey? Are you fucking crazy? I pretty much told those customs officers to fuck themselves.
Turkey has a pretty ugly history of political relations with the United States. Something about Reagan and airfields (access point to the Middle East)... don't really know the whole story.
Wow hold on there, do you have any idea how are the citizens of Turkey are treated in customs of States, and how difficult it is to acquire a visa even after the needlessly harsh treatment. And you can bet that it wont end good for you if you tell the US customs staff to fuck themselves.
I am sure a lot of turkish officials at the customs are assholes, and as Jinro already put, them and their attitudes were the only problem. But that doesn't imply any more things than that.
That is not directly about the political relations you kinda mentioned, it is more about this undisclosed "treat the x country's citizens as our citizens are treated at x" thing in customs. Especially the retarded assholes amongst the turkish customs officials can only be happy to proceed the way their counterparts at the US do.
"Turkey has a pretty ugly history of political relations with the United States. Something about Reagan and airfields (access point to the Middle East)... don't really know the whole story."
You can talk about a story that even you mention that you don't know about? that is neat. Turkey has been one of the founding countries of NATO, it was a member before Western Germany or Spain, There has even been a Turkish Deputy Secretary General for NATO.
Peace-out.
The best part about this side discussion is that HuK is indeed, Canadian. Racial profiling is ALWAYS bad, not just when American's do it.
Also since many Liquid guys seem to be reading this it's as good a place as any: good luck in all your upcoming matches guys, recent struggles be damned we know you guys can perform! Foreign GSL champion =]]]
Actually HuK is American, he just happened to move to Canada.
I love these updates on the team. Do any other Starcraft teams do this kind of self-promotion? I'd love to read about them in a concise, newsletter fashion like this but I haven't seemed to have found something comparable.
On April 21 2011 19:47 marcesr wrote: But what is most frustrating is the date of the announcement, why just 8 days before the game vs Socke??
It said in the article "You are hearing about Dario withdrawing 8 days in advance not because we waited that long, but because EPS used this time to look for a solution." So nothing on TLO or TL's side that was wrong there.